shhQuietNow Archive

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1	best place to practice talking to women for someone who has never talked to a woman? Try swing dancing or blues? There's also line dancing but that's not always a 2 partner dance but there will be hotties and country music. Swing dancing I met/found a ton of virgins though. Blues is slightly more mature (mid-later 20s, early 30s) since chicks dance on you like a stripper pole.	/r/seduction	28/08/24 02:04 PM
3	I've come to the conclusion some guys go out solely for the purpose of cockblocking. When I used to go clubbing, I used to get aggressively interrupted while chatting with chicks. Like almost every chick id go in on, the moment she started feeing it a dude would step in. Like for example, I’d walk up to 2 chicks and the moment they went from closed off to open and giggling, a dude come up and went ‘watch this’ and start dancing aggressively next to us. Not like cool, but extremely weird space taking break dancing in a lounge/patio type of place. It was so bizarre. I physically b…	/r/seduction	24/08/24 07:58 PM
1	I'm having a hard time believing that looks aren't that important when wanting to hookup or something casual Yea this is the easiest way. These are better than normal teases as they frame a girl a specific way versus just generic personality teases. If you do it right you’ll see, a tease will get a giggle, these will get them wet.	/r/seduction	19/08/24 09:10 PM
1	I'm having a hard time believing that looks aren't that important when wanting to hookup or something casual Assuming you can hold a basic friendly conversation the easiest way is to find reasons to blame her for being ‘someone you can’t trust’ or ‘a bad girl’ or ‘a perv and seducer’ based on her responses. For example You: what you think about the weather today? Her: hot but I like it You: oh a beach girl huh? Her: you got me You: i heard beach chicks like to party Her: sometimes You: I knew it. You’re trouble. Of course all said very playfully. You essentially find reasons to to say ‘I can’t trust yo…	/r/seduction	19/08/24 08:58 PM
1	I'm having a hard time believing that looks aren't that important when wanting to hookup or something casual He mentioned it, its about his vibe. Game is basically 2 core skills, technical game (the words you say) and vibe. The stronger your vibe, the less you have to say to get girls, or you can say very dumb shit and still get them because your intent is so strong it oozes from your tonality or the way you communicate. Top level vibe is purely bl and physical interactions, like you just look at them and can communicate without opening your mouth as much. Whereas in technical game, its a lot about the…	/r/seduction	19/08/24 08:33 PM
8	I'm having a hard time believing that looks aren't that important when wanting to hookup or something casual I'll attest to this, I know some good looking guys. They get attention, but it stops there because once they open their mouths the chicks dry up.	/r/seduction	19/08/24 08:26 PM
4	What’s the most optimal way to perform exposure therapy/gradual desensitization to handle AA? You need a reframe. A lot of AA stems from lack of confidence, maybe you don't think you're good enough for her, or you're worried about her reaction, or worried about your game, etc, etc. The first most important frame to understand that "you are enough" - the you today is enough to go up and talk to a chick. I doesn't have to be direct, it doesn't have to be game. Just step up and ask if they know where the restrooms are. The secondary reframe you need to do is going from passiveness to proact…	/r/seduction	19/08/24 04:21 AM
1	What Happened to All the PUAs???? 10%+ fclose rate back in my day was fairly common. It was considered average. But we had better support systems to help us learn, there were mentorship programs that ran from most major city lairs that would pair the experienced with the newbies. And back then there were extremely good PUAs, guys who could pull same night 3somes sort of good. I do not see that same support system today. The lairs were dismantled, even finding wings is a struggle today. Forums are being taken down, excellent post…	/r/seduction	11/08/19 03:14 AM
2	I get A LOT of first dates but can never get a second date. What am I doing wrong? Not sure about the root cause like you are but I had similar flaking problems that no amount of game seemed able to solve. I ended up getting the lay in early as possible. This solved almost every other issue going forward. Girls would start texting me first afterwards, etc. The weird thing is, even in cases where I couldn't go all the way - like maybe she wouldn't get naked or something. The fact I tried, or got far (like she's at my place) made girls way more receptive to me on text and next m…	/r/seduction	20/07/19 04:39 PM
2	FR - Girls DO care about looks Lol, its not that important. If it was, every executive at the bar would be getting laid instead of standing their chump circle. I've seen guys who wear $3k-$30k shoes, watches, belts, etc. They roll out to bars/lounges and stand against the wall and drink by themselves. I think there is a very small subset of girls that are into it - its a thing that can help you (like wearing a nicer shirt) but I don't think its a deal maker or deal breaker. I was pulling while wearing flipflops or payless sho…	/r/seduction	20/07/19 12:30 PM
1	8 months in That's just the nature of pu and #s. Even if you only # closed girls that were pretty much dtf, when you get that number you will (through no fault of your own) lose about 50% of them or more. That's just the nature of cold approaching, once she's away from you, maybe some other hotter dude came up to her, or maybe she went back to tinder, or maybe she ended up calling her booty call and relieved her tension, and so on. Attraction is just an emotion. Usually when the source of the emotion is gon…	/r/seduction	20/07/19 01:31 AM
1	8 months in First, I want to clarify/define some things so we're on the same page. Hard no's are girls who no amount of game, time, effort, etc will convert. They tend to immediately bounce a guy out of the set. Hard bounces are approaches where the girl bounces the guy out of the set immediately and gives them no chance to game the girl/set. While they tend to behave the same, not every hard bounce is from an actual Hard no type of girl. There are girls who will hard bounce a guy just because he fucked up …	/r/seduction	19/07/19 07:15 PM
1	8 months in That’s exactly how a/b testing in game works. You can’t always approach every girl exactly the same. That’s why you do multiple approaches - 10x or more per line to average it out. If one gets good results 7x and the other 3x - it’s pretty clear which one is better. It’s better to have effective average game (that works equally effective across your moods - even if you’re not as on) then highly effective game that only works when you’re in state. I may also have a much different game philosophy …	/r/seduction	19/07/19 06:26 PM
1	8 months in I responded to the guy above you which also answers your question. https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/cf56ka/8_months_in/eu8ljks/ I don’t share my verbal game. But all it takes to find what’s working and not should be easy for you since you were already doing a/b tests with direct / indirect. Some canned lines (just saying the same openers to every girl) has been more effective for me than situational.	/r/seduction	19/07/19 06:09 PM
1	8 months in I’m about his height. Asian. And not very good looking - especially in the sandbox I’m playing in (approaching sets of 8s/9s by myself - and sometimes they’re mixed sets). When I started my hard bounce rate was in the 80% range. Through improvements of opener and body language it’s below 20%. It is definitely something that can be improved on.	/r/seduction	19/07/19 06:04 PM
3	8 months in His instant rejection rate is too high, even for nightgame. Hard no's as in 'there is nothing he could've done' or 'instant rejections' should be around 30% at most for direct for average run of the mill cold approacher. It can get down to around 15% if you have maxed out opening skills and nonverbal skills. Despite what people say, what you say does matter when you open - it affects instant bounce rates. There are definitely more effective direct openers than others.	/r/seduction	19/07/19 12:28 PM
2	Lesson about kino Dude, I've seen guys roll up to girls and grab their asses, or go in for a kiss as openers and it sometimes works. Nightgame is a different beast where a lot social interactions just don't follow typical social rules anymore. That's why I'm loling people freaking out over you opening girls on the dance floor touching, arms, sides, or back when prolly they've had guys grabbing ass all night long. I even remember girls coming up back to me freaking out cuz a couple guys pulled their dicks out on t…	/r/seduction	14/07/19 02:31 PM
1	Lesson about kino Lol RealNachoGod has obviously never cold approached anyone before.	/r/seduction	14/07/19 01:08 PM
2	Lesson about kino Fuck the haters dude. You do you. Its ok to try random risky shit as long as you take the results to heart. That's how you learn to game. I've noticed most people just do random shit they feel is right in the moment and don't actually risk anything to learn anything new. Most of these guys suck. The way you're trial and error learning is the right way to learn game. That's how I learned to sexual escalate during daygame and pull within 5-10 mins of my open. People would tell me its impossible an…	/r/seduction	14/07/19 01:06 PM
1	20 yr old, NEET. I don't even know where to meet girls where it wouldn't be awkward If you're picking up girls day or night. Its always going to be awkward. Its never going to be 'smooth' like in movies. But getting better at opening and followup game makes it so that awkwardness doesn't define the interaction. You get to a point where little details like opening a single girl in a crowd of 5 at the mall don't really intimidate you anymore. If you go out with the mindset of trying to act like this is normal, then you're going to give yourself unnecessary anxiety and limitations…	/r/seduction	14/07/19 12:57 PM
4	How awesome does it feel to attract women clearly out of your league yet they still consider you good enough to date or bang? That's just how LA is though. There are women just as hot in San Diego and OC that would be ok dating some of the same guys those models in LA think are gross. LA is just a shitshow in general for PU. You'll get hot tourists that are just DTF from the open, and locals that are often just don't even acknowledge you. Whereas OC and SD have similar types of women (I'd say SD has more hotties than LA) but they're more down to earth and are way easier to get.	/r/seduction	14/07/19 12:48 PM
2	The Complete Guide To Day Game (Megapost) The OP posted a link to a video. The way the girl giggles almost every everything he says (regardless if funny or not) is 'chemistry'. In PUA terms this is BT or buying temp. The thing about his video though is the girl gets in this mood right away off the opener. She falls into that 1% of girls who are on at the moment of opening. Most girls even off of direct start neutral and are converted (through game) into being attracted. So this situation is very unusual. IMO - He really didn't need the …	/r/seduction	02/07/19 04:19 PM
1	This is what happened when I posed as a semi-attractive girl on tinder for a little over 8 hours, I give up on life lol I say the same openers to every girl. I've noticed its more effective to go with stuff that works consistently well then try to be creative every time. Sometimes the spontaneous creative openers can fail quite often even if you put your heart into it. Easier to just go with consistent canned openers that work well almost every time. For that I recommend looking up a variety of direct lines online and trying them out. Try a line 10x and see how often it works/fails and just get one that works 90%…	/r/seduction	01/07/19 03:41 PM
1	How important is smiling when cold approaching women during the day? I mention them here. https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/c66be9/this_is_what_happened_when_i_posed_as_a/esbzmx3?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x	/r/seduction	01/07/19 03:14 PM
1	This is what happened when I posed as a semi-attractive girl on tinder for a little over 8 hours, I give up on life lol Not really, the skills themselves take awhile to figure out by trial and error, but they're really easy to learn. I'll note them in order of importance. You can encapsulate the whole concept as having 'big dick energy' if that makes it easier to digest. 1-When you walk up, be smiling already - big ass goofy clown smile. Its better to smile like a fucking clown then not smile enough. Eventually you'll learn through trial and error where a good medium is. But when you start smile a lot. 2-Hardco…	/r/seduction	29/06/19 02:00 PM
3	Most Successful PUA or Natural You've Ever Met? I've met about 3 or 4 puas I'd rank as extremely successful. They all have 200+ lays. And I've witnessed their game first hand. One guy was able to pull a girl home every weekend - he'd go out 3 days per week and was a sniper type approacher. He'd look for every specific girls in very specific conditions. If anything, the specific criteria was more important than the girl's looks because I had seen him with extremely hot girls to extremely average/fat ones. He would lone wolf night venues. Ano…	/r/seduction	28/06/19 03:40 AM
0	How important is smiling when cold approaching women during the day? There are 5 core things you gotta do right to get consistent good cold approach day game opens and conversations. Smiling is heads and shoulders #1 If you max the 5 core things you can expect the following results: About 90% of the girls you open will smile big back And about 50% will have instant attraction / stick	/r/seduction	28/06/19 03:26 AM
1	This is what happened when I posed as a semi-attractive girl on tinder for a little over 8 hours, I give up on life lol I just try to talk to girls, they can be standing around, seated, with friends, or walking. Most of the time they're not looking in my direction. I go in with something i call 'big dick energy' usually by calling out 'HEY' about 3 ft away with a big smile and stroll up. They usually stop what they're doing and by 1ft away-ish I open direct. I usually get very big smiles at this point - compliments from girls - girls asking me for my name, etc. I'm not a good looking dude, definitely below averag…	/r/seduction	27/06/19 09:38 PM
0	This is what happened when I posed as a semi-attractive girl on tinder for a little over 8 hours, I give up on life lol Since he didn't really answer your first question, I'll give it a shot. Girls like being approached in real life as long as its straightforward and honest. I'm not talking about yelling at them, or doing some dumb thing like asking for directions and then asking for their number. I'm talking about just going up and saying something nice about them - asking their name and just leading the conversation to a number or a instadate or a pull. I've had girls almost every week or so thank me for approa…	/r/seduction	27/06/19 08:41 PM
1	What Happened to All the PUAs???? I dunno much about tyler but I watched some vids from 2019. Like this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=qlb0DTawwAI For a 30-40? yo dude still going around picking up 20s (and they appear fairly attractive) - he's still got it. Or are you expecting him to go around picking up supermodels or something? That would insanely unrealistic. I think most guys would be pretty satisfied with PUA if they were able to consistently get fairly cute girls. If people expected to get 9s-10s wi…	/r/seduction	27/06/19 08:20 PM
3	What Happened to All the PUAs???? Its pretty much over. As someone who has been doing this off and on for 12+ years. Ironic because this is probably the era where people need PU the most as online game does not work for most dudes to any sensible degree. People say game has shifted back to organic type inner game. What people don't realize was before there was PUA type game, the dominating type game was looks+organic inner game type game in form of the self help movement. PUA type game was in response to it. And grew in populari…	/r/seduction	27/06/19 06:57 PM
1	Women see me as a master fuckboy, when paradoxically, I can't get any girls at all. How do I shake the impression? Pretty sure this is a looks / style thing through and through. There is a specific 'fuckboi' type look that someone else with a different style and equally as good looking wouldn't get. That said, if a girl calls you a fuckboi it sounds like either shittest or disqualifier. You can test it either way, next time it comes up, like a girl calls you a fuckboy, say "I know you like it" and gauge her reaction, if positive, its just a shittest. If negative, its a disqualifier. I won't get into why girl…	/r/seduction	27/06/19 03:28 PM
3	How can I get out of the mindset that girls are thinking negatively of me? The tried and true consistent method of changing negative thought patterns is catching them, interrupting them, and reframing them. There's no fancy tricks to this, you can change the way your brain automatically creates thoughts by just thinking about changing them. It works like this, next time you catch a girl looking at you, and you start thinking "she thinks I'm weird or something" you consciously catch it, then you interrupt it "i shouldn't have negative thoughts like this,", then you refr…	/r/seduction	27/06/19 01:46 PM
8	How to deal with a shy girl? Looks like its going really well. Don't worry about changing how you're speaking to her to accommodate her shyness. If she's into you that means she's cool with your personality and how you've engaged her up to now. If you're concerned about conversation, you can lead it by asking her yes or no questions occasionally, rather than open ended ones. Shy girls may sometimes be too terse to inject their own opinions, especially towards someone they like and may sometimes only respond if they are dire…	/r/seduction	16/06/19 02:30 AM
487	This Is the Core of Seduction of All Time. Survivor's bias. The ones that just had the right characteristics that appeal to women can be themselves. The rest of us can't. There are plenty of people who are unapologetically themselves that don't get any 'mates' at all. Naturally having an attractive personality is just as rare as being naturally attractive. If you don't got it, there's nothing wrong with working on yourself till you do. Some people are born strong. Don't shame the people who have to work for it.	/r/seduction	04/06/19 02:12 PM
1	I keep going out. I still have no idea what I’m doing. But is there like a mission guide? Like what I should do night per night? Depends on what you're aiming for and what skill level you're at. Every kind of PU is broken down into something like 4 simple steps, open, emotional hook, sexual hook, and logistics. If you can't get to a certain stage frequently enough, you should practice getting there. Or focus on optimizing an earlier step. Like I know a guy who can only open 3 girls a night, but he has like a 20% rate of getting to sexual hook and logistics. Even though with this kind of success, I'd still recommend this g…	/r/seduction	02/06/19 02:15 PM
1	PUA groups to avoid - pick up asia Way off topic here but since you're talking about pua in asia. Is it possible to pu there in english? Or do you need to know the language?	/r/seduction	02/06/19 02:06 PM
2	Read enough of this sub and you start to subconsciously believe that every guy everywhere is cold-approaching women... Much less than 5%. Ignoring cat-calls or random compliments or walk-bys (guys say something but don't commit to it). I'd say around 1 of a 1000 guys cold approach women with commitment. Most guys are looking for opportunities such as a look, a smile, or a girl to be receptive to their attention or reactions before committing. Cold approaching is about creating opportunities, so the above things shouldn't concern you. You should approach - a guy approaching in an honest way is extremely rare. So …	/r/seduction	02/06/19 02:00 PM
4	Read enough of this sub and you start to subconsciously believe that every guy everywhere is cold-approaching women... I think that number used to be a lot better awhile back. Like maybe 1 of 10 guys would approach. Like 5+ years ago, advice was more lower level and practical, like 'try this opener!' or this or that line. It gave guys something immediately actionable someone could just go out and try. This recent anti outer game mindset doesn't help newbies start at all. Like imagine trying to start a business and some guy just tells you to think positive. But no concrete advice on how to navigate the paper work…	/r/seduction	02/06/19 01:55 PM
2	Read enough of this sub and you start to subconsciously believe that every guy everywhere is cold-approaching women... Depends where you live and what venues you're hitting. Yes some places are like 5 girls an hour, but I've been to places where its 20-30 new hot girls / hr all day. And then it transitions to dinner crowd and if you don't mind mixed sets, can easily double that number.	/r/seduction	02/06/19 01:46 PM
1	Read enough of this sub and you start to subconsciously believe that every guy everywhere is cold-approaching women... I've seen guys cold approach before. And have seen 1000s that haven't and never will. Even the good looking younger guys I've met have never cold approached in real life before. They all grew up during the time online dating was ok and after college thats all they've ever used. Won't even go out at night to bars/clubs. I'd say its maybe 1 out of a 1000 guys will cold approach. Cat calling and walk-bys don't count. Maybe 1 out of 10,000 will do it in any kind of consistency. Its so rare that just…	/r/seduction	02/06/19 01:41 PM
1	Can guys drastically improve thier sex life just by being confident no matter how they look? Think used car salesman. Slimy but confident.	/r/seduction	02/06/19 04:01 AM
1	28. Still not good at any of this. Sounds like you're not opening well consistently. It should be very achievable to open well (girls blowing up on you) between 70-90% of the time. There's only about 5 things you gotta do to open well consistently - very strong eye contact, very big smile, strong vocal conviction, high energy, and if you can manage in a club, good vocal tonality. After this you can basically say anything you want and get a smile - which is good enough for comfort type game if you can manage to keep on bullshittin…	/r/seduction	24/03/19 05:39 PM
1	I Want to Share my Most Successful Technique With you All (The Option) I've tested this extensively before - for example, asking for a girl's time vs just having her follow me as an isolation move. I'll label this as optioning vs doing. If you option first - you'll succeed less often because some girls will deny the option - even if they're really on. The ones that say yes are most likely to result in a lay because everyone else has filtered out. If you do first - you'll succeed at that step more often because you're not verbally giving them a choice. Although …	/r/seduction	26/10/18 02:03 PM
12	"Do not go chasing butterflies, tend to your own garden and the butterflies will come." I have an awesome life. Hot single girls don't just randomly enter it unless I go out of my way to do activities they are part of and even then it is a matter of luck that our paths cross. Its easier and more reliable to cold approach. I live in an area with 2 huge malls and 10 college campuses (5 of which are over 30k student pop in size) within 20mi so there's no shortage of possible accidental opportunities. And even then, its too rare to rely on.	/r/seduction	26/10/18 01:44 PM
2	I was obsessed with learning ‘The Game’ years back when a friend of mine who was always scoring chicks left and right wrote this over to me on text. I saved it on notes exactly 3 years ago and thought I’d share it with you guys. The book is just a story of inspiration. If you already got the determination then you don’t need it. Just put in the hours. Keep going out and learn something every day and eventually you’ll get good. Learning game is just like fitness, if you keep working out consistently and increasing the weights/pushing your limits you will get fit no matter what. If you go out consistently and learn something new/push your limits you will get good at game.	/r/seduction	14/08/18 02:24 AM
5	I was obsessed with learning ‘The Game’ years back when a friend of mine who was always scoring chicks left and right wrote this over to me on text. I saved it on notes exactly 3 years ago and thought I’d share it with you guys. No the book isn't some magic pill that gets you good. Its just a journey/success story of one dude whose circumstances you'll never be able to replicate. But for a guy who is drowning and looking for a way to get girls/laid, then the book might be the kick in the pants you need to get serious at getting good at game. Most guys I've met who want to get good but aren't usually are the ones who treat it as a side hobby. Thats like a dude who wants to be a pro baller by only playing pickup games on …	/r/seduction	13/08/18 10:30 PM
2	The biggest problem is, Seddit and other places like it try to teach men to go from zero to hero with women but don't give any advice on building a quality social life first. Just approaching people, like say at a convention where you are a vendor. Most vendors just sit in their own stalls and wait for people to come in. Most sales guys don't wander out of their area, but if you know how to approach girls (who are super sensitive to how your body language, energy, eye contact, etc within seconds of opening) you have enough skills to cold approach anybody at the convention. My friend and I are able to go into competitor stalls and basically charm their female or gay s…	/r/seduction	03/10/17 02:56 AM
0	Only guy in a fitness class of all women .. how do I proceed? Just exude positive playful energy and stick with stuff that breaks rapport (like push-pulls and teases). Don't try to create rapport unless you want to be friendzoned. Flirt with everyone, even the older ladies. They may try to help and set you up if they know you're single.	/r/seduction	27/09/17 03:47 PM
5	The biggest problem is, Seddit and other places like it try to teach men to go from zero to hero with women but don't give any advice on building a quality social life first. Yea same here. Didn't really focus on a social life. But just going out a lot you meet similar minded guys and end up building one out of a common interest. If anything, I've seen guys who were normal and tried to get into PU and couldn't / didn't want to change their existing social skills to adapt to whats needed for PU. Now I may be a bit biased because I started with PU first, but I've seen more guys who start with PU get further in game than those starting with social skills first. Even goi…	/r/seduction	24/09/17 01:41 PM
1	How to get out of the friend zone? If you're friendzoned I've found just giving a girl a massage an easy way to turn her on. And use that as your escalation point, start with a platonic massage, and over time it gets more and more sexual. You can make it equitable by getting her to give you one as well so it doesn't seem like a one way thing.	/r/seduction	22/09/17 09:51 PM
1	Anxiety has never really gone away? I think the most important thing was realizing how important energy was in game. I had to prove it to myself, I devised a game script and tested it while high energy one day and low energy the next. Although everything was exactly the same other than energy, it's a huge difference in results. To prove myself right, I went to the hardest venue I know of, a mall where it was normal to get absolutely shut down on all your approaches right after the opener, and deliberately made my energy go high. I…	/r/seduction	22/09/17 09:45 PM
3	How to get out of the friend zone? If you're in the friendzone, the easiest way to get out of it is by making the girl horny. To avoid friendzone, you need to sexually escalate early on. From a cold approach you have approx 5 minutes from your open to escalate properly, if you don't, you basically are friendzoned. There are some rare cases if the girl keeps it open longer, but from a completely cold approach, if you just talk about neutral topics for 5 or more minutes, she's putting you down as a friend and not as a potential sex…	/r/seduction	22/09/17 08:26 PM
1	Anxiety has never really gone away? Anxiety does go away - completely. And I used to have social anxiety. I don't get any aa or excitement when I first talk to people either, its only when I'm about 1-5 mins into a conversation, when I've found my rhythm and every girl just opens easily for me is when things start ramping up in excitement. I think its like this because my state is always elevated. I used to be extremely neutral or deadpan all the time but I've figured out to not be. At pretty much 24/7 I want and am ready to roll …	/r/seduction	22/09/17 08:17 PM
1	Eye contact with women I pass These are the two scenarios that could possible play out, You make good eyecontact. You open. Your opener may get a +1 to prior eyecontact than just opening verbally. Girls who do good ec tend to react well to just verbal first contact approaches anyways. You make bad eyecontact. You open anyways. Your opener gets like a -5 to failed prior eyecontact. Compared to neutral if you opened verbally without trying for ec first. If a girl is facing your direction, even if she doesn't seem to notice you…	/r/seduction	30/08/17 05:31 PM
2	Eye contact with women I pass In that situation, I still don't. Most girls I see facing me are on their phones or staring ahead, or at the ground. A pattern I noticed is when trying to make ec and it failing, the girl is much less receptive to getting approached. And it seems very few girls are ok with making eyecontact. Maybe only 1 of 10 or 20 will hold contact and smile. On the otherhand, waving and saying something first without ec, I can stop 99% of girls, and my hook rate is somewhere near 80%. You will get 4x more gir…	/r/seduction	30/08/17 05:06 PM
3	Eye contact with women I pass There are way more situations where a girl cannot make contact simply because she's busy compared to girls who can make eyecontact. Going up to someone and saying hi or waving is more effective in getting attention in most situations than eyeing them. I've approached a ton of girls from behind, side, on their phones, with friends where eyecontact would not have been possible and these approaches has just been as good as ones where I got checked out first. So yes, approach first, say something, a…	/r/seduction	30/08/17 04:50 PM
0	Eye contact with women I pass Yes because I've experimented doing both. You get more girls opening verbally than trying to engage eye contact first. The only way you can engage eyecontact first is if you're in front of them, which isn't an option for approaching from the side, behind, walking, or if they are on the phone. You'll get 4x more results opening verbally first than trying to get eye contact first.	/r/seduction	30/08/17 04:39 PM
-1	Eye contact with women I pass Yes, don't listen to the guy who has been doing this for over 5 years and has a proven track record of teaching a guy with zero game skills to dating new girls every week for 15 weeks straight. About 10 weeks online, and 5 weeks real life. By week 12 he was already able to go out on his own and pick up girls. At least a new girl going back to this place every week past 12. By week 15 he no longer needed any guidance. https://www.reddit.com/r/okcnoobs/comments/fbfj9/writing_messages_shawngupta_vs…	/r/seduction	30/08/17 03:47 PM
3	Is it acceptable to cold approach a girl in high school? A few things, if this is your college or highschool, it is essentially a warm approach. Consider the differences between hitting on a girl completely cold and hitting on a girl your friend introduced you to. You don't need to use cold approach tactics from girls you go to school with. Second, girls in highschool and college, as long as you're not boring, can get attracted extremely quickly. Sometimes just saying 'hi' with the right tone is enough to get a girl to blush. This is going back around…	/r/seduction	30/08/17 03:04 PM
-6	Eye contact with women I pass Yes you are being creepy, you shouldn't be seeking out eye contact, the point of that particular exercise its to see who is already checking you out. Your engagements will go better if you make verbal contact before eyecontact unless your skillset revolves around 'laser eyeing' people.	/r/seduction	30/08/17 02:57 PM
2	Fear of other people when I approach If you know your weakness is approaching girls in crowded spaces, I suggest blocking out a few days doing just those kinds of approaches. Just focus and mentally prepare yourself to handle just these kinds of approaches and you'll find them much easier to do. Tell yourself you're running an experiment, and good or bad, the results are valuable to you because you'll learn something. Don't think about and just approach girls next to other people. Level up and approach girls in tighter / bigger cro…	/r/seduction	30/08/17 02:48 PM
–	How do you personally open a 3 set? Every word you type, there's a bite to it. Like you gotta right. Like you gotta be nitpicky about every little thing. There's a lot of not so pleasant words people use to describe people like that. Here, I'm just amused.	/r/seduction	29/08/17 01:30 AM
–	How do you personally open a 3 set? No, my end game is having fun. Getting laid is a side effect of that. And why are you so bitter?	/r/seduction	29/08/17 01:12 AM
–	How do you personally open a 3 set? I like how you consider being mistaken as a gay guy a bad thing. Naturally flirty men often come off as almost flamboyantly gay. Girls eat that shit up. It is in no way a bad thing.	/r/seduction	29/08/17 01:08 AM
2	How do you separate 'survivor bias' with real seductio techniques that have a high chance of working? The only way to learn is to just try stuff, see what works and chuck stuff that doesn't. And try everything. Stuff that doesn't work for other people could work for you.	/r/seduction	29/08/17 12:46 AM
4	How do you personally open a 3 set? The advice posted so far is wack. If its only a 3 girls, any dude walking up to them and trying to grab their attention will get the entire group's. Its 3 people, not a party of 10 where you can sneak up on the ones on the fringe unnoticed by the ones on the other side. You don't need to yell at them or even talk loud. Just wave and go hi and step up. It also helps to come from a side they can all see you, but still go up closer to the one you want because you want still be within 2ft of all of …	/r/seduction	28/08/17 02:53 PM
1	What are some good first date spots that don't include drinks? I don't drink at all. Also I rarely go on dates, but if I must, usually invite the girl to where I was doing pickup at the moment. Which usually tends to be a mall and we just walk around chatting, sometimes roleplaying, sometimes people watching. I've had girls give me mini fashion shows. Some girls legitimately get flustered from shopping or thinking about shopping. As in it turns them on. I ran into it so many times I made a routine for it.	/r/seduction	27/08/17 08:50 PM
2	Best way to open/approach a woman with her mum/dad or both at the same time? Don't approach with a dad around. Period. Unless you already know him. Dads/brothers are the only time where things got close to violence. And I've only had security called on me by dads. Btw, I only do day game. Its ok (like 80% of the time) to approach a mom and daughter. What's worked for me is I get both their attention and go direct and immediately bring the mom into the conversation instead of ignoring her. Then asking mom for permission. Here's an interaction I recall: "Yo, I hope I'm not…	/r/seduction	27/08/17 08:30 PM
7	How to build sexual tension with girls at school. The same way you build sexual tension in a professional workplace without getting HR hauling you into their office. There's a special set of teases called push pulls, but not just any kind since there are two types, you need the ones that set up tension. IE, here are examples of both: Are you from Tennessee? Because you're the only 10 I see. And the other Hey, I hate how...you have such an adorable smile. These are both examples of push pulls. The latter one is the one that will set up sexual te…	/r/seduction	27/08/17 05:41 PM
1	How to stop being afraid of rejection ? You can do CBT to stop being afraid of rejection temporarily. To stop permanently you'll need to be rejected. A lot. Cognitive behavior therapy (CBT) is a real therapy process for people with mild anxieties. One of its processes is to examine the object of your anxiety. In this case the fear of rejection. And ask yourself why you fear it. Your brain will come up with a million different reasons why. And your job is to shoot all those reasons down, to tell yourself they're all bullshit and you're…	/r/seduction	27/08/17 01:41 PM
1	Girls Not Asking Questions : [Help] Getting Them Interested It could be 3 things 1 - not enough bt, you're not sexually escalating properly 2 - you're doing the wrong kind of sexual escalation and getting early lmr 3 - you have really shitty logistics/pull game A few important things to note, comfort / trust is not a requirement of getting laid. And generally towards a final pull you don't want to be asking them too many questions, you mention them doing most of the talking so its possible you're asking them a shitton of questions which would cause any b…	/r/seduction	27/08/17 01:33 PM
2	How to suggest going to her place? The slow but path of least resistance way is find out where she lives and slowly making your way over there in a non-direct manner. I mean you can say "yo lets checkout how soft your bed is" yea, sometimes that'll work but...good chance it won't also. So how this idea works is to basically make the two of you get closer and closer to her place until you're basically just standing out in front. First would be getting her into the car and going towards her area, ask her about something she likes i…	/r/seduction	27/08/17 01:26 PM
1	How do I avoid getting depressed and giving up when nothing seems to be working? Who the fuck told you to do that? That's some creepy stuff. Just skip to the part where you walk up to girls and compliment them. No fancy pickup line or anything just compliment. Your goal is to work on your energy, eye contact, smile, and tonality and body language. When you nail all these just right, 50% will smile extremely warmly. If you're not getting 50% then you need to work on one of the factors I've mentioned. It's the easiest way to calibrate fundamentals.	/r/seduction	27/08/17 12:20 AM
5	Had a girl call me "safe" the other night There's only like 6 escalation steps that will get most girls into bed, provided you have attraction first. Its possible to skip steps, but you risk jumping too far ahead and blowing yourself out. 1 - Move the girl or her group, lead her, or guide her, do this within 1 minute of opening. Examples: "Yo lets step over here where its less crowded/so we're not blocking anyone." You can lead by turning around and walking away so she follows, or you can put your arm around her waist and guide her away…	/r/seduction	26/08/17 04:24 PM
3	Had a girl call me "safe" the other night The tricks are really just putting context around the touches. Like for example, when you touch someone on the arm, its in context to something, like making her laugh or punctuating a point. You don't just randomly touch someone on the arm. The same goes for sexual escalation, you need some kind of context for the first few touches, then later you can just touch sexually on whim. Are you day gaming or night gaming? They go at different escalation speeds.	/r/seduction	26/08/17 02:31 PM
5	Always going out alone, how do you actually make new friends once you're an adult who is out of a school/uni setting? 2 ways. 1 - Find another dude at the bar doing the same shit you're doing. Introduce yourself. 2 - Find a dude alone who is just looking around a lot. He's not like you, he's probably a natural and waiting for opportunity. Give him one like leading 2 girls to his area and asking him to help you wing these girls. Guy like that knows your value and will hang around if you ask him. You don't really want a huge circle of dudes (4 or more), 2-3 is enough.	/r/seduction	26/08/17 01:46 PM
7	Had a girl call me "safe" the other night The thing I notice a lot from guys, is they may have (to use game parlance) level 5 verbal game and like level -1 escalation game. If you have solid verbal game and no sexual escalation, you're gonna get friendzoned. Which seems to be the case here. You only really need like level 2 verbal game and level 3 escalation game to get most girls into bed. The bar is amazingly low.	/r/seduction	26/08/17 01:42 PM
2	How can an 18 year old realistically go on dates and get one night stands? There's 2 options: 1 - friends who have their own place, have a rollout bed there or just a covering on their bed. Now that I think about it, it is kinda weird I was fucking girls on my friend's beds, but they were cool about it. 2 - Get good and arrange something with someone who has their own place. I was around 23 when I started getting same day/night lays and that seemed to automatically make me kinda well known amongst certain people. I'd always have people trying to invite me out, buy me d…	/r/seduction	26/08/17 01:36 PM
2	Best way to connect to women emotionally? Some people do this through topics, like taking about interests. This is the long and tedious and perilous way of doing it because your interests may not be her interests. Its basically a shot in the dark. The surer way of connecting with someone is directly engaging her emotions. Things like teases, push-pulls, cockiness do this effectively. Actually those are the only 3 types of verbal game you need to get like 25% of all girls into bed, other than logistics.	/r/seduction	26/08/17 04:24 AM
2	A summary of my 14 years of experience in and out of the game. Yo, for reals. When I was 21ish I was in your position. And I figured that I had 2 choices in life. I could either do nothing and continue down a path knowing that my life is not going to get better and slowly get worse and worse as I get older till I hit rock bottom and wait to die. Or, I could try changing it. I didn't know about PU, inner game, none of this shit existed at the time. No one was there to tell me whether or not I was gonna make it. There were no game plans laid out for me. So I …	/r/seduction	02/05/16 02:29 PM
1	A summary of my 14 years of experience in and out of the game. It was more 'of the moment' casual opener. Like something you'd use to start a natural conversation. Then he'd follow up with a natural conversation. He's pretty funny and charming, so he'd just follow his natural skillset. For guys who are naturally outgoing, phone # is usually the end goal, or the best they think they could get out of approaching. You probably thought the same. When we started, he said his only problem was opening and he could do the rest himself. Sure, he could get #s, but...…	/r/seduction	01/05/16 02:11 PM
1	A summary of my 14 years of experience in and out of the game. Right now you need to just practice opening. And that means everybody. You're going to need to get at least 20 - 50 approaches to be 'decent' and not a nervous wreck. That should be about 2-3 weeks of effort. If you limit yourself to just girls who give you IOIs then that's going to literally take months, unless you're super goddamn hot. Those guys who say cold approaches are poor odds are really shitty. I mean 1 of 100 is basically random luck. Which is what happens when you just build organic …	/r/seduction	30/04/16 02:53 PM
1	A summary of my 14 years of experience in and out of the game. Yea, I did mean if you're going to PU somewhere, switch up the area. Being a regular is all good if you're trying to be a regular person and blend in. Approaching girls isn't normal regular behavior and doesn't blend in. I wouldn't put too much stock into IOIs unless it was honestly some girl leering at you and nearly licking her lips. It really doesn't mean anything more than some girl swiping left (its left on tinder right for 'liking' someone?) on tinder in the sense she likes what she sees. …	/r/seduction	29/04/16 02:56 PM
1	A summary of my 14 years of experience in and out of the game. Correct, do not use indirect and do not chitchat. Be completely honest why you're there talking with her. Crap man, you can even go up and tell them you think they have a great booty. Just be honest why you're there. If you must, you can even tell them that 'you have anxiety and your therapist, being the mean bastard he is, gave you homework that involves talking to pretty girls' (bullshit direct is still better than indirect). You can even tell them you're about to shit your pants out of nervou…	/r/seduction	28/04/16 02:05 PM
1	A summary of my 14 years of experience in and out of the game. Instead of jerking off and sweating over 'what may happen' in your negative viewpoint of the world, just go out and fucking try it. Seriously, go up to a girl and tell her she's absolutely gorgeous. She will not call the cops. She will not slap you. In fact, she probably thank you and smile and ask your name. All I ask is you be sincere and clean yourself up. After that, if you can't handle it, walk away. That's it. Don't chitchat, don't do indirect, its a waste of time and teaches you the wrong…	/r/seduction	27/04/16 05:26 AM
1	A summary of my 14 years of experience in and out of the game. Sure, but don't expect some of it to make sense till you start doing it. Frames 'Frames' are...outlooks on life. And they're essentially part of inner game. But you're going to need to change some to build the foundations of your outer game. 1 The most important aspect of PU is that your goal is to be an emotional challenge to her. Now, you've actually heard this before in many different ways, 'be mysterious', 'be interesting' etc. But it all comes down to 1 thing, say emotionally challenging / …	/r/seduction	26/04/16 02:29 PM
2	A summary of my 14 years of experience in and out of the game. Your mindset is like a building. Your current 'building' is the the accumulation of your current experiences and social skills and thusly attracts only certain kinds of experiences and people. 'Glass cannon' skillsets is like putting up a facade, basically redcorating the parts that matter for your goals. It goes up quick and it'll work well for what you design it for, but nothing else outside of that will change much. Nonetheless, its still the old building and it's still not really up to code …	/r/seduction	25/04/16 12:37 PM
1	A summary of my 14 years of experience in and out of the game. There's hope. But you have to be realistic with your goals. For example, you can't start off thinking 'I want to be good at game but don't want a social life'. Figure that part out after you understand what you're doing and make decision when you're well informed rather than your gut feeling right now. Tbh, it could work, in video game parlance you'd be a 'glass cannon' build who only excels at meeting women but whose social skills don't extend beyond that. And as a girl digs deeper, she may unc…	/r/seduction	24/04/16 02:40 PM
1	Asian and Indian guys in here who have had a lot of success in the game, what's your story? I'm chinese, 5'7 and got good when I weighed about 120-130 lb and 22yo. I was your typical 'holy fuck he's bones skinny' sort of asian with shit haircuts and typically crappy fashion. But I got laid. A lot. As in almost every other day. I been with typical raver sluts to good girl virgins, to doctors to retail workers. Demographics was typically cute 18-50yo white women with a smattering of black, hispanic, and middle eastern. My secret is I play mostly daygame with a nightgame style. As in I do…	/r/askTRP	04/11/15 03:51 PM
10	"Tell Me." I'm a dom, and I have several submissives. Not sure what you mean by BDSM crew?	/r/TheRedPill	09/12/14 09:48 AM
147	"Tell Me." I have several subs and most of my interactions with them is via commands. Using 'describe' is almost universally better than 'tell me': 1 - When using 'tell me', it has to follow up with 'about / what'. Like in the first example 'Tell me exactly what you mean' vs 'describe your intent' vs 'Tell me your intent'. 2 - Women almost universally attribute emotions to descriptions and actions/things to 'tell me'. When the emotions get kicked up a notch, they invest a lot more and tend to vividly descr…	/r/TheRedPill	09/12/14 08:19 AM
6	LR/FR: Mind=Blown Nice. Very rare but when it happens, feels good. Did you try asking her when she got off work to meet her later in the day?	/r/TheRedPill	14/11/13 03:24 PM
3	Text game screenshots. Over 20 examples and over 15 different girls. Some picked up off Tinder, some day approaches. 99% of girls I was with were white. I've never been with an asian girl before - gotten close several times but they don't like my gaming style and I'm too impatient to coddle them. There's a different kind of difficulty involving 'sheltered girls' (this goes for rich white girls too) that I just don't have the patience for. However, when I did sit down and shut up, asian girls tend to be very attracted to me very fast - they still don't like the way I escalate though. Definitely yes, there's a c…	/r/TheRedPill	14/11/13 05:27 AM
5	Text game screenshots. Over 20 examples and over 15 different girls. Some picked up off Tinder, some day approaches. Yes I'm speaking from personal experience. Keep in mind I didn't know about TRP till a few months ago but the subreddit as a whole comes close to several of my own conclusions. TRP likes to bring up the point that chicks have issues creating pair-bonds when they sleep around, well, they're not alone. It happens to guys as well. This is what I was trying to say in too many words. That post is about 2 years old so TRP culture wasn't as prevalent then (otherwise I could've had you guys to back up t…	/r/TheRedPill	14/11/13 04:40 AM
3	Text game screenshots. Over 20 examples and over 15 different girls. Some picked up off Tinder, some day approaches. I hate giving out bite sized 'advice' like this because my overall game is like a puzzle, the pieces fit my strategy well, but may not fit yours. Anyways, the gist of it is 1) align emotionally means to feedback her emotional state back at her to remind her where she left off emotionally in her last reply The reason for this is due to time breaks in the conversation flow, the breaks cause her to cool down so they can't handle an escalation off the bat. It's like calling a girl the next day you g…	/r/TheRedPill	13/11/13 11:47 PM
1	Text game screenshots. Over 20 examples and over 15 different girls. Some picked up off Tinder, some day approaches. As unfun as this sounds, I did deploy the same exact profile to 20 some different cities and opened 100 girls (in each city) controlled proportionally for star rating and red light only. I don't have the data on me now, but the results were very interesting. Statistically, DC and NY had the lowest response rates, some city in Indiana (the one with all the blond/blue eyed girls) had something like 80% response rate. Eh, I'll see if I can dig it up when I get home.	/r/TheRedPill	13/11/13 08:06 PM
2	Text game screenshots. Over 20 examples and over 15 different girls. Some picked up off Tinder, some day approaches. Boston is one. Girls were throwing their numbers at me when I online gamed there. The girls were ridiculously aggressive (Not the 5:1 ratio, just it's a place where the girls are a lot easier)	/r/TheRedPill	13/11/13 07:24 PM
3	Text game screenshots. Over 20 examples and over 15 different girls. Some picked up off Tinder, some day approaches. A ground up revision is best, because I was working with the troll's existing shitty profile /pics he got mediocre results. For pics, MySpace style pics. Angles, and situations. Don't show your face as your thumbnail unless you're hot. Back when I contributed to /r/okcupid I wrote out essentially my entire strategy on reddit. So take a look, it's all old info but I think a lot still applies. I also overhauled their profile, made it sexual and funny, applied basic real life game into the profile.…	/r/TheRedPill	13/11/13 07:10 PM
2	Text game screenshots. Over 20 examples and over 15 different girls. Some picked up off Tinder, some day approaches. It's not worth it to even help bros out. I had a bud I was helping for free. Polished up his okc and he went from never getting replies to being 'red' (in okc that's an indicator of how responsive that person is) because he could afford to be so picky he stopped replying to 50% of the messages that were girls opening him first. So what happened was he got insanely lazy. I'd secure him a girl and he'd tell me he'd follow up. But never would in a timely manner, like hit them up a week after which …	/r/TheRedPill	13/11/13 07:04 PM
2	Text game screenshots. Over 20 examples and over 15 different girls. Some picked up off Tinder, some day approaches. Actually, you can. Just change your geolocation to about 1hr out of the major city and girls are 10x easier online because there's no competition or shitty competition. I'm sure you're aware of how much easier girls are if they're from shittowns. Same rule applies online. Or just go to where the competition is shit to begin with. There are cities in the US where girls hit on guys as the norm because for some reason it's 5:1 girl:guy ratios there.	/r/TheRedPill	13/11/13 06:50 PM
3	Text game screenshots. Over 20 examples and over 15 different girls. Some picked up off Tinder, some day approaches. I would consider that sort of girl the upper edge of my ability to get consistently. Looking at maybe 10%-20% reply rate with a typical 'non committal' reply like 'haha thanks'. Actually, I posted the entire convos I had with her somewhere where she asked me to call her in the end. These girls do not game easy for me so I think my game isn't optimized for them but basically my message structure is 'align emotionally then escalate'. The difficulty is aligning emotionally and gauging the escalatio…	/r/TheRedPill	13/11/13 04:28 PM
2	Text game screenshots. Over 20 examples and over 15 different girls. Some picked up off Tinder, some day approaches. Hard question to answer - the hotter the girl different strategies are required. It got to the point that I wouldn't expect much out of the 5 starred girls (most likely fake anyways) - I'd get them once in awhile but it was really a crapshoot. What do you consider your above your league? If you're aiming for the superhotties, I'm the wrong guy to talk to. My abilities were best at these (http://imgur.com/Jxmni) sorts of girls and a little bit better looking.	/r/TheRedPill	13/11/13 03:56 PM
3	Text game screenshots. Over 20 examples and over 15 different girls. Some picked up off Tinder, some day approaches. I started it as a hobby for friends. But then a friend of a friend heard of me but I wasn't about to do favors for a stranger so they paid me. At the time, I happened to live in seattle - so the people I knew had money and had friends with money. It just kinda went on from there - at the time I could basically dictate my rates but I wasn't smart about it and lowballed myself. There are other people offering similar services as well. Overall, its an uphill battle because everyone wants to shit on…	/r/TheRedPill	13/11/13 03:50 PM
10	Text game screenshots. Over 20 examples and over 15 different girls. Some picked up off Tinder, some day approaches. Well for a point of reference, here's a pic of me http://imgur.com/D2G3i. I pulled them from starbucks and then threesomed the one on right. You can tell I'm not an attractive dude. My personal OKCupid profile matched the same response rates as the people I worked for. Only way to show that I was legit at the time. I have 5 full conversation from opening to close in my posting history, but I can't directly link them. Going to have to go through my history unfortunately.	/r/TheRedPill	13/11/13 02:06 PM
12	Text game screenshots. Over 20 examples and over 15 different girls. Some picked up off Tinder, some day approaches. This isn't true (unless things have changed since), about 3 years ago I used to manage okcupid profiles for guys and despite some being fat / asian I could get them girls. Granted, the girl's hotness could be brought into question, so here are some pics for research. Showing messages sent vs messages replied, exceeding 50% Closeups of each girl Here's a sample conversation with pic of chick Ok so I can't cross post reddit domain links in, so you're going to just have to look into my posting hist…	/r/TheRedPill	13/11/13 01:19 PM
2	Because you guys are smarter than r/okcupid I'm actually with OP, faster response results in better turn around. Its similar to real life when getting a girls #, waiting 3 days increases flaking to absurd amounts, while calling the next day has drastically (or banging her that night) improves responses. I happen to call this momentum, PUAs probably call it something else. The idea is you build up her feelings towards you through interaction, the problem is the written word (much like text) is weak interaction. You'll build them up but whe…	/r/seduction	09/12/10 03:37 AM
1	Because you guys are smarter than r/okcupid Same response rate (actually above 50%) I completely fucked up the first 10 girls that responded, but the conversion rate is improving. My boy got laid yesterday and already has another # waiting for him to call. Prior dicking around 0% conversion, after with 100% success rate from okc-># Methodology: After feeling a decent amount of momentum has built up, I ask for their #. The turnaround timeframe is often less than 5 messages and within 3 days of first response. I don't have a standard method…	/r/seduction	09/12/10 03:27 AM
1	Why Modern Men Are Angry at Women in the Dating World Sure, but only if you fix it up so it doesn't sound like the midnight ramblings of a half retarded person and you add my name to it, call me "Sexy and Amazing".	/r/MensRights	05/10/10 09:36 PM
1	Why Modern Men Are Angry at Women in the Dating World If you flirt with everyone then flirting is you attempting to emotionally manipulate everyone around you. Regardless if they're interested or not. It won't work on everyone. Just like how not everyone likes the same movies. But if it makes someone feel good, then you just emotionally manipulated them that way. Flirtings only goal is to make people feel different than how their environment is currently makes them feeling. You can make someone angry and still call it flirting. Generally, most peop…	/r/MensRights	05/10/10 08:54 PM
3	Why Modern Men Are Angry at Women in the Dating World Generally, I respect people. I believe everyone has something in them that is excellent. The thing is though, is that most people want to be emotionally manipulated, women particularly thrive on it. Whenever you see art, read a book, watch a movie, or listen to music, you are being emotionally manipulated. This how people are, and I've accepted as such. So in general, I respect people and I still manipulate them, and people want it that way. Why do you think people like comedians and funny guys?	/r/MensRights	05/10/10 10:10 AM
3	Why Modern Men Are Angry at Women in the Dating World There's no need to sacrifice your 'self'. I don't see where you get that from my post.	/r/MensRights	05/10/10 09:55 AM
5	Why Modern Men Are Angry at Women in the Dating World Apologies, I keep editing my post. Once I had a whole dry spell, something like 200+ chicks and not a single one sexed me up. That sucked nuts real bad. But what was I going to do? Turn gay? Renounce women? There was really no other place to go for me other than keep going on and keep pushing my limits. It hurts of course, but the good shit in life never came easily/pain-free. Fuck it, what I'm trying to say is that there isn't this magical thought process that makes you want to keep pushing for…	/r/MensRights	05/10/10 09:38 AM
8	Why Modern Men Are Angry at Women in the Dating World I guess some unlucky night you go home having being rejected by 20 girls, it may happen. Actually, the 1 in 20 doesn't mean I was shot down by 19 face to face, it means likely that 5 didn't bother picking up the phone and another 5 who was willing to talk on the phone, set a date, and then never show up. To be clear, every guy who talks to chicks feels at least a zing of anxiety. The amount is different for each guy, but everyone feels it, most guys drink it away. I was unfortunate because I hav…	/r/MensRights	05/10/10 09:23 AM
6	Why Modern Men Are Angry at Women in the Dating World I've always felt flirting was a category belonging under manipulation.	/r/MensRights	05/10/10 08:50 AM
8	Why Modern Men Are Angry at Women in the Dating World What a lot of guys are figuring out though, is that the stuff they were taught while young (treat women with respect) can be entirely replaced later with (treat women like dirt) and actually be more successful. I'm not trying to nitpick, just clarify. The most important issue is if you can get her emotions disturbed, especially on whim. If you can at will make her angry, make her happy, or whatever you want, she will be puddy in your hands. What doesn't work is being boring and unskilled at dist…	/r/MensRights	05/10/10 08:22 AM
20	Why Modern Men Are Angry at Women in the Dating World I guess I can be considered a jerk as well - and same with several of my friends. We aren't sociopaths as the other poster noted, we're simply guys who have grown numb to the emotional impact as a result of doing things over and over. As men, we decided the pain was part of the process and developed a tolerance to it over time. Of course, if you saw us now, you wouldn't think we have any feelings because of our selfish hedonistic behaviors. And we sure as hell wouldn't indulge in opening up to a…	/r/MensRights	05/10/10 07:33 AM