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CMVshipiaozi/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/19 12:02 AM
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Mostly biological, female is more scarce while male is disposable, woman naturally worth more than man.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 12:06 PM
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Female infanticide is mostly a parent-children conflict thing, daughter have no duty to raise parents while son should. Some Chinese man are born to be pension.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 12:02 PM
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Low paternity uncertainty.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/20 05:34 AM
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Those who don't reproduce shall be replaced, by other groups or other races. BTW recently I re-read Quran, prophet Mohammod probably designed Islam's gender relationship with purpose in his mind. After all he is one of the most successful gold digger in history even before he invented Islam.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/20 10:39 AM
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Stay in home. I come back to China, the entire city is lockdown due to Coronavirus :(
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 01:22 AM
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Woman don't need monogamous man if they have enough resources, and such society are deemed to fail (the worst negative part of feminism is their anti-monogamy nature). I don't think the reality are that bad though. First, education become less and less important in West, many doctors, lawyers and engineers are not as rich as people thought they are, for example doctors actually earn less than UPS driver on average. Second, community with monogamy culture(like Muslim) and immigrants could replace…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/20 06:55 AM
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I am male and my family are quite rich, money is the most important thing I care in marriage. High income is not rich, saving is the true measurement. Someone work in financial sector who earn 500k but spend 400k is poorer than a software engineer who earn 200k and spend 40k.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 09:22 PM
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Money are not as important as they were because we are much richer now, thus number of gold diggers decreased a lot. A lot of people want to become rich, but most of them don't want to pay the price.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 09:18 PM
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Genghis Khan is an extreme example of radical beta(polygamous provider).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/20 04:26 AM
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Human male have three major sub-species, about 10% are alpha, 80% are beta and 10% are radical beta.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/20 04:24 AM
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I think man should buy egg and raise daughter to be gold digger alone if a normal marriage is too expensive for beta/radical beta male.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/19 11:47 PM
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To be fair China have much more shitty policies, just government can't properly enforce them in most cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/19 04:31 PM
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Part of the "One child policy" (now two children policy) is that people can't have children outside marriage, otherwise they would be fined and fired from government/public school/SOE. There are many loopholes though, for example you could change your ethnicity to minority to have two children, you could claim your children is not yours but adopted, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/19 04:28 PM
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Hukou is like citizenship of your county, each county have their own policies about how to deal with "foreigners". These children could enter school in another county or in some pretty bad school, but just create more trouble for single mother/single father and their children. After all, K-9 is forced by law and it's illegal to home-school in China.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/19 04:20 PM
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Same
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/19 04:11 PM
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It depends on what you want in relationship, some woman just want man spend money on them, some want more emotional value and good sex. In US man spend a lot and don't take care about family or work hard, especially black people, even if he only earn about 40k, he probably would spend more on you and your children.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/19 12:22 AM
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Is he a immigrant or/and Asian? As we said "The best alpha male looks like gay, the best radical beta male looks like asexual." He is probably a radical beta provider, which might be rare in US but not uncommon in other parts of the world. Other than views about porn, all other opinions are quite common in China, for example high sex drive is clearly a very negative trait for female. What's his job? Is he rich? It depends on what you want in a relationship, if you want a slave who don't spend mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/19 10:49 PM
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No, I am trying to become radical beta provider, but not fully success yet. People like OP's boyfriend are not very rare in China.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/19 10:41 PM
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Basically, alphas are true love of females. They are quite lazy because they don't need money to reproduce. Most rich or powerful man are not beta but radical beta. Radical beta male are polygamous, use pure resources to get female. They are more likely to be successful because they need resources to reproduce, so these who failed would extinct. In China, the standard model believes 10% man are alpha, 80% are beta and 10% are radical beta. Among top 1%, the number become <5%/45-50%/45-50%, among…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/19 03:09 AM
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Normal men wouldn't, but man on this sub might. Although many Chinese prefer son, my mother prefer daughter and I disappointed her. She knows nothing about abstract gender theories, but have deep understanding about them. When I was a child I feel everything people tell me about gender issues are wrong, I read feminism books back in primary school and it finally led me to here.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/19 12:55 AM
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Transgender isn't fully by choice, and mtf still can't get the most important benefits of being female(reproducation).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/19 12:49 AM
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Biologically speaking, male don't leave female after pregnancy only because female need him to raise children. Neediness is an important traits to secure the marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/19 10:35 PM
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Truth hurts, ignorance is a bliss.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 07:13 PM
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It depends on supply and demand, today I suppose "traditional" woman are undersupplied and profitable. ​ Yes, I hope I could have a lot of successful gold digger daughters. No matter how much my son/daughter earns, they are not different from random people on the street unless they have children.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/19 03:26 PM
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Socialism never work so it doesn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/19 12:38 AM
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Kill female baby is quite common in China's history, but relatively rare at the beginning of dynasty. Might change gender ratio from 107 to 108 but 117 is highly unlikely.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 02:30 AM
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For example, some sex workers are extremely "hot and sexy", but most man wouldn't want their wife wear same clothes. Another method is to divide clothes into "US/EU-style"(match alpha) "Chinese-style"(match beta) and "Japanese-style"(match radical beta).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/19 06:15 PM
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Gender selection technology were not advanced enough at that time, in addition peasants can't afford them. Usually they just not report or register their first daughter. In the 4th census at 1990, there are 113m male and 103m female between 0-9 years old. Ten years later in the 5th census, there are 118m male and 110m female between 10-19 years old. Then, ten years later in 6th census, there are 115m male and 113.5m female between 20-29 years old. Same effect also happens to other generations. F…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/19 06:02 PM
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Same, alpha males(including PUA and some white/black trash) and brothel frequenters are the most "sexually successful" by US standard. Most man don't actually love "hot and sexy" woman, instead they prefer "young and beautiful". Marry rich is indeed very profitable, especially in a fast-developing country with a lot of new money. Most gold digger theories suggest "pure and loyal" is more important than appearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/19 12:01 AM
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China's TRP(mostly used by female) view gay as one kind of "kin-selection" people and warn heterosexual woman to avoid them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/19 09:50 PM
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China is quite big, but in general: Sexual conservative: Although China is an atheism country, people lost virginity quite late. You could marry a virgin if you want, being a non-virgin is still bad even for man. High marriage rate/low birthrate: A strange combination. One child policy might be a reason, parents invest a lot(in my opinion too much) to their children. Unbalanced sexual ratio: This is probably not true due to many reasons. In some regions son could get more lands and people just r…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/19 09:43 PM
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About transhumanism: sex robot isn't transhumanism, but surrogacy would become more common. Radical beta male would buy surrogacy and raise children alone. As polygamy become more common in West, feminism/MRA/TRP-PUA/MGTOW-incels would become more popular.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/19 04:48 PM
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After she move to US or move back to China? A lot. Basically, US society encourage lover male and radical provider female, Chinese society encourage loyal male and lover female, Japanese society encourage radical provider male and loyal female.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 11:23 PM
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About 10-15% males who are polygamous and get female by pure resources. They have the highest paternal certainty requirement and "hard wired" to work hard. Most man who are successful or move upward a lot are radical beta, they are the major reason that man overperform woman in most fields (Alpha don't work and beta are on par with female).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/19 01:37 AM
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Agree: alpha-beta divide exist, although they ignore the radical beta. Disagree: man should be "prize". Wrong, alpha male are cancers of society and should be suppressed, man should try his best to be radical beta.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/19 12:45 AM
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The standard theory in China believe alpha male love woman's resources/beta male love appearance/radical beta love loyalty. I was a beta and now a radical beta, and my desire is same as theory predict.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/19 12:41 AM
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MRA losers: for man's rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/19 07:43 PM
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TRP promote alpha male and oppose "tradcon" or other forms of patriarchy, basically alpha male are males who cater to woman and don't earn much resources. They are cancers of society and harshly suppressed by traditionalism (Be Alpha male in Saudi Arab, get stoned to death lol). Patriarchy and Gynocentrism are two sides of one coin, you can't oppose one while support another. Why some loser man like MRA oppose patriarchy? The answer is very clear. In traditionalism society or other possible form…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/19 07:42 PM
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Daughters are easier to raise because her body worth a lot while son need more paternal investment.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/19 07:39 PM
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I want her to become(or keep?) rich, marry with a responsible man and have children via surrogacy. Otherwise I want her to be loyal, refuse Chad, keep low paternity uncertainty and willing to suffer in marriage to marry rich radical beta male and have a lot of children. Being sex object is a great talent, but the most expensive sex object are loyal ones instead of beautiful ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/19 07:35 PM
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The larger and more aggressive one with several females. Basically, alpha=beautiful, beta=loyal, radical beta=resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/19 01:34 AM
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Apart from alpha and beta, radical beta is also a common sexual strategy in animal world and human society alike. The strategy is well studied in China by evolutionary psychology based emotional consultants but relatively unknown in West. Radical beta male get female by pure resources, they are "hard wired" to work hard and woman/beta male are no match to them. Although only 10-20% males are radical beta, they are the majority of successful male or those who move upward a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/19 06:30 PM
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First, the number of male sexual strategies are limited and these territories/sneaker divide are quite common. The lizard is special only because its color are strictly linked to sexual strategy. It's not alpha bucks, most successful males are radical beta who are very bad partner if they don't have money. Marry rich male is a very practical problem related to gender issues, but most people don't understand marry rich makes you feel bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/19 09:04 PM
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Modern != Murica
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/19 10:29 PM
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Context: I'm pro-abortion because abortion harms alpha male/single mother and... I'm Chinese No, one could suggest woman shouldn't have sex before she find someone who is willing to provide for your children.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/19 10:19 AM
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The essence of radical beta male is the pure desire to “make something”, usually they would make a lot of money to “buy” female but the extreme form of radical beta male(like Newton) don’t need female and devote his life to his career. Top experts in almost every fields are man partly because only radical beta man could be extremely devoted on his career. For them work isn’t a duty but purpose, for them work 80 hours a week is as easy as keep breathing. Woman and monogamous man usually stop work…
/r/TheRedPill19/08/19 10:15 AM
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Yes, most man who have done anything worthwhile or move upward a lot is radical beta, unless he work in sales, art or performance. Alpha get female by pure love so he would better not spend too much time to earn resources, radical beta get female by pure resources so he need to work hard.
/r/TheRedPill19/08/19 10:07 AM
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Being beta or radical beta isn't bad, they don't cater to female, they earn resources and "buy" female.
/r/TheRedPill19/08/19 10:04 AM
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They might slowly end "one country two system", but use tank like 1989 are highly unlikely, even less possible than HK independence. Historically, central government of China sometimes give minority extra benefits and CCP dynasty is not an exception. People who live in democratic society may have difficulty to understand the minority privileges created by authoritarian government.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/19 02:54 PM
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Personally I don't think that would happen, in 1989 the existence of party are under serious threat and CCP leaders have nothing to lose(In addition, Bush government support them at that time while trump view China-CCP-Chinese Trinity as enemy),but today CCP could just allow de facto independence of HK in worst case for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/19 01:59 PM
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Real estate is the greatest bane of HK, the city of free capitalism are build on land of strict regulation, which create a lot of problems including low birthrate.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/19 01:11 PM
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Alpha: attractive, lazy, poor, have a lot of exs, salesman. Beta: average looking, pair-bonding, loyal, engineer. Radical beta: unattractive, hard-working, successful, manager.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/19 05:15 AM
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"Wall" partly means the value of your body declined a lot, as many people know most male human's body almost worth nothing so they wouldn't hit the wall.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/19 04:12 AM
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No, if a man overestimate himself he may get rejected, if a woman overestimate herself she would get STR or become single mom.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/19 03:23 AM
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“Improve yourself” isn't a solution for social problem like income inequality, free market here means polygamy and harm to future generation (less investment from male). Gynocentrism and Patriarchy trumped in all major civilization because both of them could raise better children and replace non-Gynocentrism non-Patriarchy society. Real option in polygamy society for beta male is to buy sex/surrogacy and raise children alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/19 03:16 AM
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I think in the new norm, male beta provider could buy sex/surrogacy and raise children alone too.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/19 05:57 AM
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Feminism fight for woman's power but against woman's rights, as traditionalism fight for man's power but against man's rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/19 05:31 AM
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Male virgin+ female virgin > male non-virgin + female virgin > male non-virgin + female non-virgin > male virgin + female non-virgin. Male virgin + female non-virgin is a huge red flag and would cause cheating or divorce in 90%+ cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/19 04:23 AM
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Gynocentrism declined with patriarchy, woman needs to work more and spend more resources to raise children.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/19 04:20 AM
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Gynocentrism declined with patriarchy, woman needs to work more and spend more resources to raise children.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/19 04:19 AM
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Do you think woman's rights(as opposed of man's rights) declined a lot in the west? Why or why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 11:10 AM
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Man naturally have lower innate value and deserve less empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 11:09 AM
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Not at all open, but if two men could have children I would consider "marriage of convenience" with male.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/19 10:26 AM
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Gender difference is a very important factor on gender related issues, unfortunately even in this sub many people don't understand them and create tons of garbage discussion. FoM assault is possible but shouldn't be taken seriously as its MoF equivalents, because woman's body worth much more than man.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/19 03:52 PM
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Gay or les might be illness, but bisexual is a rare talent. Can't enjoy the beauty of 50% of people is a huge defect.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/19 04:39 AM
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From my point of view, unicorn refers to someone with very rare qualities that are not in normal spectrum. Here are some examples: Lover male born in tradcon family and taught to be loyal. Provider male with cuck fetish who could tolerate cheating Female who know how to "treat radical provider as lover" such as Priscilla Chan or Nancy Zhang.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/19 04:36 AM
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No, low paternal investment are caused by high paternity uncertainty.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/19 12:20 AM
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Here woman's rights are opposite of men's rights, for example woman are expected to work more, for example man don't invest on children that much any more.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/19 01:55 PM
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I really want marriage, but only with right people. Marriage, in its essence, is part of Gynocentrism patriarchy. If one or both party's behavior are far away from Gynocentrism patriarchy, marriage don't apply for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/19 04:52 AM
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Rating people is very useful, especially for woman. If you overestimate yourself you would get people with hiding defects/get into STR. Ayawawa developed a relatively objective method to rate man and woman alike. If your classmates call you ugly then you are 1-2, if you are average then you are 3-4, if people usually call you good-looking then you are 5-6, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/19 10:28 AM
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I am talking about solution for entire society, not for individual. “Just work harder” could help you become richer, but it isn't a useful advice for income inequality problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/19 12:30 AM
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I am talking about solution for entire society, not for individual. “Just work harder” could help you become richer, but it isn't a useful advice for income inequality problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/19 12:25 AM
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“Just work harder” could help you become richer, but it isn't a solution for income inequality problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/19 12:22 AM
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CCP is in US's side since 1970s although was founded by USSR, Vanguard party could negotiate with enemy but would never tolerate traitor.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/19 12:19 AM
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Monogamy exist because female can't raise children alone. For example, most mammals are polygamous but most birds are monogamous because birds need to fly and can't carry their children. Gynocentrism and patriarchy trumped in all major civilizations because in civilization human can't only raise children, they need to spend extra resource to educate them. To increase paternal investment, laws, cultures and gods were invented to force monogamy on man and woman. Man was given extra power and woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/19 03:58 PM
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Yes, but due to population reason and current polygamous new norm not all man could have traditional marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/19 03:45 PM
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I don't think things used to be better for man on average, things only used to be better for average man.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/19 02:50 PM
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Trump is a transitional politician like Chamberlain, he might be viewed as too moderate in future although viewed as too radical in his time. AOC truly represent the interest of big corps, her environmentalism only protect big corps. Bernie is one of the most anti-China politician in US, much harsher than trump, probably because he loved USSR in his heart.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/19 12:26 AM
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Repeat what I said before. Feminism, TRP, MRA, MGTOW all are part of the new gender norm. Majority of the Manosphere are not opposition of the feminism, but true allies of it. TRP/MGTOW promote the male gender norms of polygamous creature, MRA want man to give up old gender responsibilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/19 12:18 AM
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RP(alpha) and MGTOW(beta) are polygamous gender norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 10:42 AM
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RP is not "reactionary" or "anti-feminist", traditionalism is. RP is part of the new norm who are true allies of feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 10:40 AM
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You still could if you take old gender responsibility, for example marry someone from a poorer country.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 10:39 AM
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Reddest: women don't truly love most man Bluest: alpha males are cancer of society and should be suppressed
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 10:26 AM
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Human do not evolve as fast as technology and our body can't understand birth control. In stone ages, man's lowest paternal investment is almost zero, but woman need to spend a lot of time to have children.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 05:14 AM
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Manosphere isn't opposition of the norm, they are part of the norm, even more radical than most feminist.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 05:10 AM
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Yes, woman's rights and patriarchy both declined a lot in West, and society are move toward polygamy as a result. Mosuo is a not-very-typical pre-patriarchy society, they have a patriarchy-lite culture that give uncle a lot of power to raise children. West isn't isolate like Mosuo people. As most non-patriarchy society get replaced by gynocentrism cultures at the dawn of civilization, western polygamous cultures also might also get replaced by monogamous cultures like Muslim. Transhumanism. Beta…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 05:08 AM
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Most "double standards" on gender issues are caused by gender difference. For example man can't get 3 girls easily but girl could easily get 3 men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/19 10:17 AM
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Paternity uncertainty, means man think how likely you would cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/19 05:29 AM
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For man, money could buy marriage, attractiveness could buy love. For woman, low PU could buy marriage, attractiveness could buy love.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/19 04:22 AM
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In the sense of law you are correct, but people could have sympathy on assaulter if it is Ted Cruz's roommate assault him. I forget highway in US are different, when I wrote highway I am thinking about highway isolated from farmland with 5-feet fence. If a pedestrian cross such highway and gets hit by a drunk driver, I think usually pedestrian should be blamed more.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/19 05:54 AM
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If someone walk cross the highway and gets hit, I think the pedestrian deserve most blame. The point is, there are some special people like Ted Cruz that even normal people around them want to punch them in the face for reasons we don't fully understand. So many normal people want to punch Ted Cruz that we could know it's mostly his problem, but we don't have enough sample for domestic violence victims. Some are unlucky people meets abusers, some choose abusers, some could turn normal people int…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/19 05:33 AM
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Ayawawa said sometimes domestic violence are caused by victim, her reasons could be summarize as follows: There are some punchable people like Ted Cruz, even average guy want to punch him in the face. Even absolutely fine man or woman would use violence if they marry certain kinds of people. Man who are good at provide emotional value (alpha male) are more likely to use violence because they could provide emotional value aftermath to neglect the damage(kneel, swear, crying, etc), their violence …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/19 05:24 AM
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Ofc fine, that's majority of the monogamous relationship in history.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/19 04:40 AM
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China was extremely poor, like poorer than 90% of Africa kind of poor that even man tends to choose a "provider", probably they don't really love each other much to begin with. Usually it begins with one side cheating, the other side find out but can't divorce for different reasons, so he/she said "OK, I would have my fun too" and the wrong side accepted to save the marriage. Jealous? Well, they have, but probably not as much as those in Western culture, because they don't truly love each other …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/19 07:25 AM
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I know several, although people don't call them "open relationship" in China. Basically couples were quite poor when they marry, like the country was, then they become quite rich and have a lot of better options. Divorce is harmful for children and would cause loss of money so open relationship is a much better choice. The fundamental function of marriage is not about love, especially for bottom class and top class. Marriage is about inheritance and raise children together. "Princes et Princesse…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/19 05:30 AM
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Worse for woman, while worse for average man.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/19 04:41 AM
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Polygamy, not powerful king and rich businessman most people thought about when they heard the word "polygamy", but poor and lazy yet attractive alpha males.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/19 11:09 AM
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My mother's mother, about 2-4 times per month. Seems she deserve it because she hit my mother's father harder, last year my mother even need to drive her father to hospital in midnight lol. However consider female on male violence is kind of common in my extended family, I think that's might just "part of the deal". No, it's China. Policeman don't take domestic violence seriously, especially for old couples. Yes, but I wouldn't waste my time. I know many cases that not end well, for example the …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/19 05:44 AM
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In traditionalism society, male's attractiveness isn't important in marriage, resources is the first concern. Polygamy is quiet common in US, last time I checked, about ~25% children are raised by single mother. Ofc some alpha males are forced to be monogamous and have good jobs, but alpha males are naturally lazy and polygamous. On average, alpha males have lower social statues, lower income, work less and spend less resources to raise each child.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/19 04:33 AM
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Traditionalism societies encourage provider male and monogamy, for example Saudi Arab is one of the most monogamous country in this world. Be alpha male in US, get polygamy. Be alpha male in Saudi Arab, get stoned for adultery. Attractive isn't important for man in traditionalism society.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 12:39 AM
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I am thinking about a modernized solution for beta provider males including myself. If 10% woman raise children for polygamous alpha male, then traditional marriage would become much more difficult for man than in the past. Modern beta males should jump out of the game and find a better path, for example: Don't waste time on game, don't waste money on good clothes, work harder and buy sex with money. Marriage isn't about love, marriage is about children and inheritance. If 10-25% woman could be …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 03:50 PM
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People also despised certain waves of feminist, even today. My reason might be different. I view MGTOW as part of the "new norm" toward polygamy, men's rights and non-patriarchy. They are a force of corruption and encourage beta males to be incel or don't have children.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 03:41 PM
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There are many restrictions in US, for example late-term abortion is illegal or at least very expensive, woman might need to suffer waiting periods or watch stupid videos, etc. To be fair I'm moderate anti-abortion in China, I don't think pink lovely abortion advertisements should be allowed on public bus, but I would be far, far left in this issue by US standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 04:18 AM
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Laws, cultures and religions used to limit woman's freedom, but more importantly they used to harshly suppress alpha males. Singe mothers are bad, but alpha male is worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/19 04:36 AM
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Is it possible for a woman to rape a man? Should f-on-m rape be viewed as seriously as any other type of rape? Woman rape man is possible, but people who think rape male is as bad as rape female don't understand basic gender difference. In general, woman's body worth more than man's body, rob 10k USD is more serious than rob 1k USD, and only woman could be affected by paternity uncertainty. Do you feel less “sympathy” for the man if the woman was attractive? Yes, same for the female victim if th…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/19 04:09 AM
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Ofc the criminal should be blamed more in the rape case, but I also suppose a reasonable woman should abort the child if raped...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/19 03:59 AM
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Seriously? Just convert to atheism, travel to China and abort the baby.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/19 03:44 AM
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(Not really TRP, I oppose the "new norm" while TRP promote the cancer of society known as "alpha male") There are some single moms in traditionalism society due to reasons you mentioned except "don't want abortion", yet the number is very low. We could say most single moms are bad one (Ofc alpha male they choose are much worse, which TRP refuse to recognize). Anti-abortion zealots is a force of degeneration in our time because they help alpha male/single mothers to have more children and shift g…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/19 03:43 AM
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Marriage was traditionally a contract(sometimes signed by parents) to force a man and a woman to raise children together, love isn't and shouldn't be part of the marriage for very long time.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/19 08:38 AM
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Sex bots wouldn't be very different from sex workers, as artificial womb wouldn't be very different from surrogacy. Yes, some women(sex worker/surrogacy mother) would be worse off, but nothing fundamental would change. The real transhumanism is about two male reproduction, which is more difficult than two female reproduction.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/19 08:24 AM
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Jeff Bezos should be one of the top 100 provider in this world, I think we should compare him with a top lover like Kris Wu.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/19 10:49 AM
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And then he will ask you to pay half the date. lol too real Men's rights are better in feminism society, women's rights are better in patriarchy society.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/19 10:34 AM
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Alpha males are not worth promoted, they are cancer of society and tens of times more harmful than even the worst kinds of feminist. Like some feminist promote "strong and independent single mom" over traditional woman, TRP promote alpha lover over beta provider, the two are real allies. Very rich or powerful people tends to be radical provider, even if they are born alpha, because their resources are far surpass their SMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/19 10:28 AM
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Marriage is not about love, but about children and money.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/19 01:20 PM
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Not all attractive man are "lover", for example if he is a billionaire or comes from traditionalism society he could be a "radical provider", but usually only attractive man could be lover.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/19 04:23 AM
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That's only true if you have very high paternity uncertainty.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/19 04:21 AM
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Refuse alpha male, because they are naturally polygamous. Refuse radical provider unless you really love money & understand how to deal with them, because their requirement of Paternity Uncertainty are so high. Keep low paternity uncertainty, for example do not wear over sexy clothes, do not have sex too fast, etc. (Looks loyal) Control your husband's money.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/19 08:16 AM
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Even if every one of them marry 4 women, polygamy still only affect ~1% of women, compare to 10-25% single mom in West. Polygamy is tens of times more common in rich, liberal society where woman could raise children alone than in traditionalism society where woman need a monogamous provider.
/r/askTRP23/06/19 07:58 AM
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As the most extreme form of Gynocentrism patriarchy, Islam countries are almost strictly monogamous. Only 0.3% man in Saudi Arab married more than once(including divorced and widowed), polygamy is extremely rare.
/r/askTRP22/06/19 06:03 AM
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As a general rule, traditionalism encourage beta behavior while strongly suppress alpha.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/19 04:25 AM
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Despite son preference culture in China, my mother want to have daughter. When I asked her why, she tell me that daughter is easy mode. I don't understand that at that time (I was a libertarian feminist and thought man is easy mode) until I find out man earn more but woman spend much more, which probably means woman's body naturally worth more.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/19 10:48 AM
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Most "gender swap" scenarios are retarded due to lack of understanding of gender difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/19 10:46 AM
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I do agree with my country(China)'s divorce laws: Divorce agreement apply first Parents could choose to "raise children together" so child support is unnecessary. Court tends to give children(>2 years old) to richer side, in about 50% cases father get the children, compare to ~20% in US. For average people, child support should be 20-30% of income and would decrease if you lost income. I can't find anyone get bankrupted due to child support in China. BTW child support could be one-time payment, …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/19 01:29 PM
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Not in my country.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/19 11:31 AM
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Ayawawa and her followers have a system of advices for this, the key part is to keep keep low paternity uncertainty. Run away from polygamous Chad and radical provider, unless I really need a lot of money. Do not use most dating app, instead marriage interview is better. At least I would meet man on platform with real-name system. Wear clothes of "good-for marriage style", do not wear over sexy or "strong and independent" clothes. Don't go to gym, spend time on make-up instead. Face > body in LT…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/19 05:14 AM
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I am just point out that the man who could attract woman may not have better gene, instead he is like a virus that is very harmful for woman and her children. Modern world is more complicated, now we have welfare, birth control and abortion. You are probably correct about US, the lack of abortion greatly benefit alpha lover/single mother model.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/19 04:55 AM
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"Department of Philosophy" in some Chinese universities are "Department of Marxism-Leninism". Likewise, "Gender studies" usually are "Cultural Marxism Feminism", not real gender studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/19 04:44 AM
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First date sex is the proof of extremely high paternity uncertainty. If a woman could give sex so quick, she is very likely to cuck you if she meet a more charming polygamous male.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/19 04:37 AM
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Provider spent his teenage years to study, to be a nerd and earn money to find better woman. Lovers don't have "genetic advantage", on average they have more children but each children are less likely to survived due to lack of male paternal investment. Lovers want STR and don't need to be honest or picky, while monogamous provider have higher standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/19 04:34 AM
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Biologically, man want to have sex with a lot of woman, but woman don't want that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/19 01:26 PM
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No, because most people here can't read Chinese, and these who could probably already know her.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/19 12:03 AM
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China is kind of conservative but with so many "small cities of 5 millions people", PUA could be useful.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/19 11:58 PM
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Sometimes people live in Gynocentrism patriarchy for too long that they view some of its features as granted. The most important one: naturally father don't raise his children.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/19 03:04 PM
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Male reproductive ability is massively oversupplied, so ideally female only need minority of male to reproduce if they could raise children alone. For most creatures, male want to have children with as many female as possible, while female only want to have children with a small minority of male.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/19 09:04 AM
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I learned evolutionary psychology in middle school, so I know part of the TRP before truly read them. Someone on this sub call Ayawawa as female TRP (She encourage her followers to keep low paternity, avoid alpha lover and radical provider to find monogamous provider), she is the 2rd most famous blogger on gender issues so read her books/articles isn't special.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/19 09:01 AM
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Marriage isn't about love, marriage is about raise children and property. In a traditionalism society(like my parent's generation) where marriage is very strong, many man and most woman marry with people they don't love. What should be looking for in LTR? "Nice guy" and low paternity uncertainty woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/19 12:57 PM
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Not in modern world.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/19 12:32 AM
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I would, and I suggest all man to do the same unless you live in part of the Europe where paternity test is illegal. Avoid ~5% chance of huge loss with small amount money is better than any insurance deal you could get in your life. In addition, although our instinct are not mainly lead by reason and logic, know your children are yours could encourage you to work harder and treat your wife/children better.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/19 01:04 PM
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Man can't choose TRP in a traditionalism society, alpha lover would get stoned in Saudi Arabia.
/r/TheRedPill07/06/19 12:26 PM
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Virgin man+ virgin woman= good marriage, yet Virgin man+ non-virgin woman= 95%+ cheating rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/19 02:57 AM
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N count is an indicator of paternity uncertainty.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/19 07:18 AM
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Long term cohabitation is fine when the woman's value is too low that she dare not to ask marriage. Short term(like 5-10 days) cohabitation before marriage is also fine because you need to avoid some extreme risks like gay/les. Otherwise, cohabitation is extremely bad for woman, why man would marry you and not run away when he get everything he could get in marriage? In general, cohabitation is extremely high PU and could result in higher divorce rate, higher cheating rate, much worse marriage a…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/19 07:05 AM
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Yeah, I mean this millennium.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/19 09:37 AM
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LOL I’m just joking, I think we would enter transhumanism or at least back to agricultural ages in next millennia.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/19 03:16 AM
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It would change after millions of years of evolution, we just need to wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/19 02:43 AM
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Abortion should be available to all, therefore alpha lover/woman who choose alpha lover would have fewer children.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 12:21 PM
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To summarize: keep low paternity uncertainty and refuse STR. For gold diggers: Treat provider as lover.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 06:21 AM
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It's a great idea to protect Gynocentrism and patriarchy. I am fine with other people choose different ways, but they need to pay the price.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 06:18 AM
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Find STR is easy for girl, the difficulty is to find good LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 06:09 AM
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Ayawawa was the 2nd most popular emotional advisor/blogger in China, her companies worth hundreds of millions of CNY. Although man also could learn a lot from her book, most her followers are young woman. Her theory are based on evolutionary psychology, encourage woman to keep low paternity uncertainty, refuse STR for better monogamous LTR. For example, her followers oppose overly sexy clothes while encourage "easy marriage style".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 06:02 AM
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Majority of animals are polygamous and females raise children alone, future might be the return of "old norm" but it also could be the return of "older norm" if we become rich enough.
/r/TheRedPill29/05/19 03:35 PM
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Alpha are naturally attractive while beta get woman with resources. Alpha male always try to deceive woman and cuck man, he don't raise children or at least spend less resources. Usually alpha male are good-looking, very social, lazy and not rich. Black man are more likely to be alpha while Asian man are less likely to be alpha. Man who work in art and sale are more likely to alpha while man who work in management are less likely to be alpha.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/19 12:47 PM
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No, "provider" means man provide resources for children. Welfare state could help provider man and monogamy if government punish single mother and give more money to married woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/19 10:38 AM
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“High value provider” and "high value lover" are different. For example, a billionaire would afraid his wife cheating more than normal people because his body is not attractive, yet a male supermodel wouldn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/19 08:55 AM
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Paternity uncertainty. Women know they are children's mother while men can't be sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/19 02:19 AM
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Natural order is for men to try to attract woman while for women to raise children alone and earn money, monogamy is a social construct.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/19 06:26 PM
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Sexual harassment, sexual assault and rape change with genders and cultural norm, because different gender have different value for their body. Harass/assault/rape woman is naturally more serious than doing "same" for man because woman's body naturally worth more due to supply and demand. Rob 10k USD is always a more serious crime than rob 1k USD. Harass/assault/rape is less serious in society with sexual freedom because it wouldn't harm victim much. Get raped is only on par with get beat up if …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/19 04:10 PM
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You could find a partner whatever unless you are bottom male, yet you and your children would lost tons of money if you have high n-count.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/19 06:57 AM
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I tried to post but get blocked by mod... In short patriarchy= male control the primary power, Gynocentrism= female get the primary benefit. Traditionalism usually belongs to Gynocentrism patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/19 06:53 AM
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Really? High paternity uncertainty reduce paternal investment, increase domestic violence which caused single mother and many other so-called "social decline"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/19 06:44 AM
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People with high n-count behave differently, smart people could see that. Background check before marriage is common for top class or upper-middle class in China, everyone could spend 200-300USD to get hotel record from corrupt police officers.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/19 06:35 AM
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What do you accomplished by sleep with 1000 woman? Ofc as a straight man I would feel good but the risk of STD and loss of value in marriage market simply not worth it. Earn money to raise children is my purpose of relationship. (My parents are kind of rich and I am quite beta, so it's not very easy.)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/19 04:16 AM
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It's possible, top PUA could sleep 1000 women in much shorter period, at least in China where "lover tricks" are unknown to most.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/19 03:36 AM
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If you want to be polygamous, being alpha is far easier than being top beta unless you are born rich. However, most males can't be either and only monogamy(normal beta) could raise good children. If I want to sex I prefer to buy sex doll/sex robot which is cheaper and safer, what really matters is to raise children together.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/19 08:27 PM
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Patriarchy could come back: Man and woman follow old ways could have more better children to replace feminists and alpha males. Immigrants from Gynocentrism patriarchy society could have more better children to replace feminists and alpha males. Gynocentrism patriarchy society could have more better children to replace feminists and alpha males. Most manosphere do not oppose feminism, they are part of the new norm too and can't save majority of males. My suggestion for most males in West to hand…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/19 07:53 PM
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In most species male reproduction ability are extremely oversupplied and not useful, as a result females would only attracted by a small minority of males known as "lover" that polygamy is the norm in animal world. However, human's brain are too complicated compare with other primates and our children are extremely difficult to raise that female need help from male "provider", which is the real reason of monogamy. At the beginning of agricultural age, life suddenly become more difficult and rais…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/19 07:32 PM
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Gynocentrism patriarchy might return, but maybe a new(or old) norm would established. Most animals are polygamous, even human was, and such relationship model could last for millions of years.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/19 07:25 PM
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Yes, "rich people" are not alpha male, they are radical betas. At the beginning of agricultural age, life become much worse due to population growth. Technology developed and raise a children become more difficult, hence Gynocentrism patriarchy founded to raise better children. Their cruel civilization killed woman's first child, invented laws and gods to suppress alpha males and protect future generations. Finally, they conquered or replaced almost all non-Gynocentrism patriarchy society that p…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/19 07:19 PM
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Poor man are more likely to use polygamous alpha strategy, rich and powerful man in history are radical beta provider.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/19 07:15 PM
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As Gynocentrism patriarchy declined, society transformed from monogamy to polygamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/19 01:02 AM
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I have some vague ideas, maybe traditionalism is related to the fact that only human need education. Our children need more investment than "survived", Gynocentrism patriarchy won by population replacement and genocide.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/19 05:43 PM
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That's before agriculture age, for thousands of years traditionalism society limit women's choice while force man to raise children.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/19 09:37 PM
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Like high n-count man could be lover or top provider, there are many different kinds of high n-count woman. The type TRP described. Her mate value is not very high, usually overestimate herself while has high paternity uncertainty(likely to cheat). Sex worker, who could accept provider more than average woman. Female player, just love to fuck good man while rich enough to ignore the negative effects.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/19 04:43 PM
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Only 10-20% males could be "lover" no matter what.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/19 06:47 PM
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Just some ideas, not detailed plan, for example insurance could fix the risk you afraid. The basic rule is to protect parent's interest, under current pension system one could force other people's children to give you money by not having children.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/19 06:35 PM
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I think there are four major possibilities. The first obvious possibility is the return of Gynocentrism Patriarchy, including but not limit to immigrants from 3rd world. Groups with less feminism and more Gynocentrism, less men's right and more patriarchy would produce more children and simply "color revolution" their country by vote. The second possibility is a new norm. Majority of animals are polygamy and they survived millions of years, with high GDP of modern world human could too. Unsucces…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/19 06:14 PM
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Billionaires are radical beta provider.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/19 08:45 AM
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To be fair many people taking the same position on poverty.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/19 05:27 AM
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I use polygamy to describe one male- multiple females relationship, like how we describe animals. Marriage, after all, is a provider invention unrelated to true love. Incels always exist, but never as common as today since agricultural age. Part of the reason of accept immigrant is low birth rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/19 01:00 AM
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Beijing is not a good representation of China. Although some LTR end in divorce, STR "always" don't end well by the same standard. Even marriage and divorce is still much better than single mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 09:35 PM
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Well, don't describe monogamy relationship like that. I would say that one man and one woman love each other for some reasons, honor their promise, have responsibilities and cooperate to raise good children together.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 09:24 PM
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It's not "purchasing woman", it's the great love between woman and provider man, like 90%+ monogamous relationship in history, for human and animals alike. Male reproduction ability is massively oversupplied, why woman choose average man if she is "strong and independent" or "don't need money"?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 09:12 PM
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No, there are certain choices to oppose retarded new norm of TRP and feminism, for example: Study hard to get high paying jobs, be a minimalist and provide rest of your money to get better female. End unreasonable prejudice against sex worker(radical provider model)/woman from poorer country while refuse normal high n-count females(radical lover model). Have more children and invest to them. Join conservative religion like Islam, promote and practice discrimination against single mother and alph…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 08:19 PM
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The redistribution between lovers and providers don't make conditions for male as a whole worse, unless you are talking about inequality. Meanwhile, the decline of Gynocentrism is as real as the decline of Patriarchy. Man relatively work less and have less responsibilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 06:49 PM
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A lot of mesosphere are part of the lover/single mother new norm, not the opposition of it. "Commitment" become bad deal only because attractive lover male are compete with them, otherwise man and woman have no other choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 06:36 PM
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Not “man”, only "provider man". For polygamous lover man, life become better and better. In the past they can't get laid without money, they might put into prison or even stoned to death, fucking beta providers created every laws, traditions and religions to punish them. Now they are free, ready to deceive/attract females and cuck provider males.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 06:30 PM
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Majority of males are monogamous provider, it is alpha lover(not extremely rich/powerful beta provider) that caused polygamy and incels. Recently I wrote about polygamy and incels in West: When I was a naïve feminist back in middle school, I was very puzzled about the fact that every culture advanced than hunter/gatherer relegated women's rights and power. Some sexism are reasonable at least in ancient times, but why all these hardline unreasonable discrimination become mainstream? It seems femi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 06:24 PM
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Female choice = polygamy + single mother + incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 05:33 PM
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Majority of males are beta provider, including almost all rich people. Naturally male reproduction ability is extremely oversupplied and female would only find small minority of males attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 03:03 PM
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Marriage (and monogamy in general) is not about love or sex, the main point is raise children together.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 01:08 AM
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Labor work is still quite important Endurance, for example most woman could learn coding yet work 996 is different. Female reproduction ability is a great talent, but at the same time it means woman can't devote to work while having children unless she pay for surrogacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/19 02:55 PM
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Most people crying "double standard" on gender issues don't understand basic gender difference, for example, female high n-count (except sex worker) means high paternity uncertainty while male high n-count means attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/19 02:52 PM
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Due to lack of male paternal investment, single mother are more likely to be poor and receive welfare which is paid by beta provider. Western government user welfare to encourage polygamy and make some male beta provider incels with their own money, which is a fundamental problem of our time.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/19 02:41 PM
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Government give money to single mother and encourage alpha lover-single mother relationship model, which caused polygamy and incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/19 02:19 PM
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Ofc a well-educated multi-millionaire could raise children alone better than most parents, but he or she could raise children BETTER with another people.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/19 02:15 PM
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No, "alpha lover" are relatively poor compare to normal man. Multi-millionaires are minority of high n-count man.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/19 01:46 PM
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0, 24m, unmarried. I'm atheist and I refuse premarital sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/19 01:43 PM
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Woman are born with more money because their body naturally worth more, yet man have higher talent. It's not easy mode, just randomly get additional attributes or additional money.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/19 01:42 PM
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TRP is part of the "new rules", not "old rules". The "reactionary" should oppose "new rules" and try to insist/reform old ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/19 01:13 AM
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Main problem: How to earn a lot of money? If you can't earn a lot of money in lover society then you are less likely to be successful in provider society where competition are tougher.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/19 01:06 AM
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TRP is not a "reaction", TRP/the promotion of alpha male are in the same model of single mother/sexual freedom/lover polygamy. The real reaction to these things should benefit provider model and harm lover model.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/19 01:03 AM
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Traditionalism society usually have strong culture norms and laws to protect normal provider relationship, RP certainly don't work in these country, you could be slut-shamed, threatened, sentenced or even stoned.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/19 12:56 AM
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An extremely stupid idea. You need to learn and prepare for exam, learn and prepare for good job, why do you think you can be unprepared and get a good life partner? It's even worse than exam or jobs, because there are so many hostile people here, like PUAs. "Strong and independent" woman matches lover polygamous male, yes you could be attractive and STR with attractive male but then you also need to afford cheating and being single mother. Market failed when market don't exist, like when people…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/19 05:53 PM
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They could survive, like some primitive tribes without Gynocentrism or/and Patriarchy, but they can't build civilization due to bad parenting.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/19 05:45 PM
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As monogamous creature, female human only love charming lover male, or these who compete on attractiveness like male polygamous creature. However, they don't have enough resources to raise children and need to reduce paternity uncertainty to get resources from provider. If a woman is "strong and independent and don't need man", then she should be single mother like female polygamous creature. The point of most religion and a lot of traditions on gender issues is same: Protect beta providers and …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/19 05:38 PM
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Religion is never a reason for marriage in any civilization, religion were made to protect marriage. The main purpose of marriage(and monogamous relationship in general) in history is always to raise children.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/19 05:48 AM
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Well, that's a huge problem. Sex worker fits normal monogamous male better than normal high n-count woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/19 07:55 PM
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Usually alpha lover don't care much about paternity uncertainty, because they don't invest on children and just try to fuck as many woman as possible. Beta provider care about paternity uncertainty, because they are monogamous and need to invest on children. They are not very attractive and provide resources for partner, so they naturally are insecure about alpha male who always try to cuck them in history. Compare to alpha lover, on average beta provider have higher status and more money, altho…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/19 07:42 PM
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Usually I agree with you, but sexual strategy is one of the core biological instinct and affected more by biology not society or culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/19 01:55 PM
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Top alpha man are still worse than top beta male (most political leader, rich businessman and smart scientist). Naturally alpha lover have more children yet their children have worse survival rate, otherwise human would be polygamous by now.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/19 01:53 PM
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Human are mostly monogamous, if polygamous male really have more survived children, we would be polygamous now. Have children with alpha lover is far worse than have children with beta provider from evolutionary perspective unless it is cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/19 01:50 PM
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People who don't understand basic gender difference create 99% stupid arguments in gender issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/19 02:32 AM
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Male sexual strategy is not to have sex with as many women as possible, that's alpha lover. Most male's (beta provider) sexual strategy is to work hard and provide resources to get one female. Some evolutionary psychologist believe "alpha male" have better genes, which I disagree with. Since "alpha male" have more bad children, their children should be much worse than children of beta provider. They are like paradise that harm woman. Like we can't always resist virus, woman can't always resist a…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/19 02:20 AM
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Well, it's not very hard to understand from evolutionary psychology perspective, provider need resources more so they would work hard to get resources. Usually, polygamous male animals are lazy while monogamous male animals are hard-working. Very successful man get woman by their wealth, money plays a more important role in their relationship than in normal people's relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/19 05:48 AM
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Yeah, I always said alpha male/single mother model should be punished(slut-shaming male more, fine single mother, cut welfare to single mother and give them to richer normal family, introduce discriminations against alpha male/single mother/their children by law like they can't apply for government jobs/public healthcare/public school) because it harms future generation. Although "alpha male" are more harmful than single mother because each of them correspond more females, "alpha male" only cons…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/19 02:49 AM
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The problem is, attractive male are not monogamous, and female don't need them to be monogamous (no paternity uncertainty). If you view "Trophy Wife" as radical male provider + radical female lover, then "Trophy Husband" means radical female provider + radical male lover. This model include a lot of single mother, like the one have children with gang members etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/19 02:42 AM
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Majority of alpha male are losers and criminals, while almost all successful man are radical betas.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/19 02:34 AM
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Men who blamed single mother are beta provider, men who abandoned single mother are alpha lover. The two groups are naturally enemies.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/19 02:32 AM
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When two people entered marriage, they got a lot of responsibilities and privileges by law(like a contract). For example, they could represent the other side if that people is ill, they could split all property after divorce, etc. You don't need to actually sign a contract to begin a contract. Marriage is always a contract, love don't need marriage, just sleep and cohabitation
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/19 02:31 AM
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Wrong, even stronger in west because contract worth more in west.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/19 02:00 AM
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Marriage is not about love, marriage is a property contract while love only need cohabitation. In China we don't have arranged marriage (maybe except upper class) but we have marriage interview.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/19 08:39 PM
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Sexual freedom have very high price on children, paternity uncertainty greatly reduce the male paternal investment and create single mother/bad parenting.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/19 08:37 PM
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One could argue current system is too light or still too harsh to man or woman, but I don't think man and woman always should receive same penalty for "same" crime. This is especially true in sex related crime like sexual assault or rape. Female are born with a lot of human capital while male usually are not, murder a skilled worker is worse than murder a unskilled worker, just like murder an unskilled worker + destroy his property is worse than only murder an unskilled worker.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/19 08:19 PM
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Anyone who believe male cheating and female cheating are same bad don't under basic gender difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/19 05:28 PM
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No, partners in trade could both benefit from good system.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/19 02:55 PM
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Yes, in the past (provider) male are less tolerated about cheating because he might get cucked and waste a lot resources. With paternity test available, rational male should be much more tolerated about cheating than in the past, but probably still less tolerated than female because pain is still real.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/19 11:34 PM
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Man cheating is less bad, because female body naturally worth more. MRAs are correct that society value female life than male life, yet they don't understand good reasons behind it. Let's say Alice and Bob found a company, Alice invest 20k labor +10k capital while Bob invest 10k labor +20k capital. Ofc "don't go to work" is more serious for Alice than for Bob. And paternity uncertainty, normally only male could be cucked.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/19 09:06 PM
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Monogamy exist because woman need provider man to raise children, woman who don't need man end with single mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/19 01:47 PM
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Certain kinds of traditionalism society, especially these involution economy like East Asia. Basically, polygamous alpha lover try to attract female/cuck beta with appearance to have a lot of bad children, while monogamous beta provider try to chase female with resources to have fewer good children. Love to alpha and love to beta are different in many aspects, but society could try to stop love to alpha. Fidelity: Law and culture strongly oppose alpha male model, cheating would be punished hard,…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/19 01:43 PM
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They are not very different from surrogacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 11:54 PM
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The body of female human worth more simple because supply and demand. Male human want sex with a lot of female human while female human don't need more than 1 male human. Same logic apply for almost all animals except some really weird ones like seahorse.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 09:54 PM
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90+% male's sperm worth nothing, they are useful only as provider.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 07:44 PM
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I don't understand why manufactured sperm would have any impact, sperm is oversupplied anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 07:40 PM
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As people become richer and richer, polygamy would become much more common. We could see more fatherless children, single mother and male incels. If West become much poorer and real inequality become higher, like if China could enter most high-end industries and greatly reduce the revenue, then there would be backlash. Some cultures might affect the mainstream more, for example, Muslim is one of the most monogamous group in the world(Polygamy is rare in Saudi Arabia and very common in West if yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 07:38 PM
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I think BP is "conventional wisdom", not feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 04:04 AM
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Loyal provider in relationship. Extra hard-working because you are male. Responsibility and honor.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 01:56 AM
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Yes, monogamous relationship exist because female can't raise children alone and need a provider. Welfare and child support make polygamous relationship model much more viable. To reduce polygamous relationship, here are some possible policies: Make abortion easy and available to all. Only married couple could get child support. Cut welfare to single mother and child's father, or even fine them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 12:23 AM
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You assume patriarchy means unequal, which is not correct. Patriarchy only means men control most political power and properties. Patriarchy society could be, and usually are, "Gynocentrism" at the same time. "Equal" doesn't mean "same", male and female are born with different talent and should be treat differently. For example, since female body on average worth more than male body, rape male should be punished less than rape female the same way rob 1000 USD should be punished less than rob 100…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 07:48 PM
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Alpha male is the problem, not beta male.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 12:01 AM
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I am not talking about "buying" wife like mail bride, I am talking about normal money transfer in family. For example if I marry with my high school or university classmate with similar family background, education and income, I still expected to hand in majority of my salary. If such money transfer is uncommon in West, then how could woman earn less but spend more? How could beta providers complain about new era of dating culture?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/19 03:57 PM
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If couples had a valid contract or negotiation, then they could divide property as they wish since both of them agreed. Otherwise, court would decide. Here are some principles: (1) Pre-marriage assets belong to whoever buy it. (2) Half of the joint property belong to husband, the other half belong to wife. (3) Party at fault get less money and might required to pay emotional damage compensation. (4) Children <2 years old usually stay with mother, older children are more likely to stay with fathe…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/19 02:21 PM
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People could change, and your partner need to feel safe. In most marriages, female should have higher value in early years while male should have higher value in later years. Such contract contains huge moral risk, so male usually need to promise some kinds of money/future cash flow transfer to female in China.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/19 06:02 PM
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But then how to avoid divorce? Usually female devalue faster than male, so reasonable property transfer stabilize the marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 09:47 PM
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discipline Not that simple, for example, leaders of CCP are some of the most dangerous creatures on this planet and almost no one could order them, yet majority of them looks like facial paralysis patient. I am not joking, former party leader Hu Jintao's nickname is "facial paralysis" because he always wear a poker face. Act "manly" or "aggressively" could be a successful strategy in teenager gang, but usually very bad in government or business.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 04:58 PM
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Evolution theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 04:39 PM
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It depends on where you live, in China over-confident and arrogant are naïve characteristics for male. Mature man keep a low profile and only speak after thinking carefully, they could hide their emotions like facial paralysis.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 04:32 PM
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For people live in West, how much should male pay in marriage? For example, to what extent should male pay for the house, or hand in his salary to wife according to culture norm?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 04:27 PM
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I'm Chinese, being woman in China isn't as good as being woman in West. My parents are really rich (top 0.1% even if they are in US). I'm smart but not good looking, not very suitable to be female. Medicine could stop periods, and I could buy surrogacy. So these are not real problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/19 11:36 PM
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Medicine could stop periods, and you could buy surrogacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/19 11:27 PM
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Science is not always correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 02:38 PM
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When counting the talent of man and woman, you need to take reproductive ability into consideration. For example, woman earn less and consume more, why man give them money?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 01:19 PM
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Well, "need resources for children" is almost the only fundamental reason of monogamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 06:02 AM
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Insult to female, praise for male, because female have SMV advantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 11:13 PM
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I am a libertarian, welfare state, especially welfare to single mother and poor lazy alpha male, is the fundmental problem of our time. UBI actually cuts welfare to alpha male and single mother. In short, if female could raise children alone, polygamous alpha lover would defeat monogamous beta provider. Only when raising children is difficult, female would choose monogamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 11:11 PM
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Compare to welfare, UBI is much better and encourage provider model more.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 11:02 PM
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Why man need to spend more for marriage? Are most man stupid? Women work less because of wealth effect, richer people would work less under fixed hourly wage.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 04:17 PM
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We indirectly trade lives. High-skilled labor earn more than low-skilled labor because they are more talented and capable of more work. If a poor gay/les want to marry with a rich gay/les, I suppose he/she need to spend more time. Yes, in our time woman are naturally more talented and capable of more work than man. Their body naturally worth more and man need to pay for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 02:45 PM
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It is misleading to say women cause the decline, because alpha lover plays a more important role. Women should select loyal beta provider. Man and woman wouldn't benefit much, but their children would benefit a lot. Looking for: Could refuse sex before marriage or sex in the first 3-12 months of relationship. (kills most STR) Nice guy, average looking, willing to give real long-term promise. Would better major in STEM, and his parents should be in monogamous provider marriage. Reject: Attractive…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 11:33 PM
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TRP is degeneracy, anti-Gynocentrism and promotion of "alpha male" are even worse than worst kinds of feminism. (Each alpha male is more harmful than each single mom) Female body naturally worth more, see my post here. More talented people should receive better treatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 11:13 PM
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Deception and cuckold are inherent features of male lover, unless we are rich enough to be a real polygamous society that 90% male are incels and female raise children alone. No, providers are core of societies. Most rich and powerful male in history and our times are radical providers: resources are far more important in their relationship than in normal relationship. For example, Melania Trump married her true love because she truly loves money. In traditionalism society being alpha is not imp…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 05:06 PM
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"Lover" or "alpha" strategy have some moral issues, part of the alpha strategy is to deceive female and cuck provider. No matter how rich you are, you still dislike thieves and con-man. Alpha's children lacks paternal investment and would make society a worse place. This is especially true in West under unfair welfare policy to single mother. I'm Chinese. In China sexual freedom is half-way, dating culture doesn't exist but in fact people could be alpha(unlike in traditionalism society). Alpha w…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 04:34 PM
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Basically, male have two main strategies: First is to attract female(alpha or lover), second is to provider sth(beta or provider). Alpha is the dominant strategy in most animals, yet human children need huge paternal investment so beta is the mainstream strategy(Other than some very affluent society, like US blacks, fatherless children is a sign of affluency that shows female don't need male provider). Alpha - attractive/polygamous/poor/lazy Beta - unattractive/monogamous/rich/hard-working
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 04:24 PM
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Yes, I am proud that I am a rich loyal beta provider.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 04:17 PM
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It's not only about evolution but also about economics, and you could see much higher polygamy rate in rich modern country than in poor country.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 06:15 PM
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Only 5% of males are useful if female don't need provider, as most animals.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 06:06 PM
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It depends, alpha male could be more successful in minority of jobs like artist and actor, but most successful males are too rich to be lover.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 05:28 PM
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Beautiful males are not good husband, "attractive" males are not designed for monogamous relationship. "alpha male" usually are losers and parasite, they are much worse in social hierarchy than beta males of same tier, for alpha male spend time to improve their appearance while beta male spend time to earn money. Most "top" man (except stars and artists) are unattractive radical provider.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 04:45 PM
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I read David Buss's book, some translation from headsalon and most Ayawawa's books. Some explanations like paternity uncertainty/grandparent investment are easier for me to accept because in ancient China new couples usually live with father's parents and the culture norm is reversed, yet mother's mother still love grandchild the most. I accept the paradigm but oppose some conclusions. Are "lovers" have better genes? No, "provider" is still the mainstream for monogamous species like human. They …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/19 09:21 PM
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Female body naturally worth more
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/19 05:31 PM
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It depends on my family and my ability. Lover polygamy: If my parents are billionaire then I am forced to be provider because I don't need a husband. I probably would follow my heart to date with the most attractive male unless parents want to me to connect with other families by marriage. Money could solve a lot of problems, just buy surrogacy and enjoy sex. Monogamy: If I am middle class woman then I would try to find a reasonable middle class husband(moderate provider). If he provide house al…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/19 08:26 PM
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The Monogamy Gynocentrism Patriarchy trumped in all major civilizations because this system is very good at raising children. Limit woman's freedom is inefficient even in ancient times, but provider male would only invest to children with low paternity uncertainty.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/19 06:15 PM
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It depends on what kind of transhumanism, for example, Artificial womb greatly devalue the female reproductive ability and very bad for woman. (like automation devalue the male labor force)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/19 12:53 AM
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There are many matriarchy animals, mostly because have children is easy and female don't need provider. Female sexuality is suppressed in patriarchal society because of paternity uncertainty, female don't need to worry about this problem. I do think human are evolving from monogamy patriarchy towards lover polygamy matriarchy because we become richer and richer, until certain kinds of Transhumanism become reality. Some males/females would be better off, while others would be worse off. Male prov…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/19 04:51 PM
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What kind of retards would think Saudi princes, Donald Trump or Jeff Bezos sexually attractive? "Melania Trump married her true love, she truly love money."
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/19 04:43 PM
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Most polygamous man are alpha male, or these who failed in male-male competition and attract female by emotional value instead of resources. However, most famous polygamous man you know in history are radical beta provider, or these who succeed in male-male competition. Political leaders, military leaders and rich businessman are not attractive and provide less emotional value than normal people. For example, money is more important in Donald Trump's marriages than in average joe's. In short, pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/19 04:03 PM
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Why incels is a problem in West? If I understand correctly, different kinds of commercial sex is quite free in free world. How people view these things compare to high dating n-count?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/19 04:21 AM
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“pump and dump" increase paternity uncertainty and would reduce male paternal investment
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/19 04:17 AM
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No, dating culture is polygamy/polyandry. Lover relationship don't need marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 03:23 PM
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This represent a common misunderstanding, polygamy is more common in rich modern country while relatively rare in ancient times/traditionalism country. Most males can't afford provider polygamy, for example in Saudi only 0.31% citizens married more than once(including remarried), lover polygamy(like dating culture/single mother/cheating) is much easier even in ancient times.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 03:14 PM
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"Male virgin and female non-virgin result in cheating" at least in China, paternity uncertainty is too high. For marriage rate and divorce rate, well, marriage is a provider contract, polygamy marriage you know in history book and in Islam countries are designed for successful beta providers, while the more mainstream form of polygamy don't need marriage: female choose the most attractive male and raise children alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 03:10 PM
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I think anti-marriage is very bad for both genders, but worse for female because female body naturally worth more on average. It depends on what do you want, do you want her marry rich provider and give you some money? Do you want her to enjoy her life? Whatever you could give her some knowledge about gender issues, from feminism to TRP/MGTOW, from economics to evolutionary psychology. The point is to avoid common misconceptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 05:27 AM
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Anti-marriage feminism, majority of feminism are quite good, the problem is cultural Marxism influence.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 05:21 AM
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If alpha male-single mother or alpha male-cheating female model strongly suppressed by law, more man would be viewed as "marriageable".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 01:56 AM
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most male immigrants are low value so I don't think that is an important factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 12:28 AM
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How could people in poor country marry? Wage isn't that important. If you want to increase marriage rate and reduce fatherless children, you need to punish alpha male and single mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 11:03 PM
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My grandparents were very poor, at that time China was one of the poorest country in the world, yet, the marriage rate and birthrate was very high. Look at animals, monogamy exist because male paternal investment is required for children. When single mother become viable, polygamy become more mainstream.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 10:48 PM
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Monogamy exist mostly because female can't raise children alone, richer country could afford sexual freedom and low marriage rate. Rich males can't change the balance much, although they are famous and people always overestimated their number. Do you know how many males have more than one wife in Saudi Arabia? The real problem is attractive lovers.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 08:03 PM
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You need to be careful about statistics from China. The ~0.45 income gini was calculated from data provided by official Statistics Department. Southwestern university of finance and economics(西南财大) did a better research shows income gini is around 0.6, while research from Beijing University shows wealth gini is about 0.73. US: saving rate 5%, income gini 0.45, wealth gini 0.78 China: saving rate 50%, income gini ??, wealth gini 0.73 One people might failed to be provider because he is lazy or no…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 07:47 PM
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I'm Chinese, wealth gap in China is much larger than US or Canada. The problem is alpha lover relationship model, not capitalism. Like Asian immigrants, relationship model in China is very friendly to beta provider. Even in this sub, most people are still praise stupid alpha lovers. Imagine following policy or culture norm: Female almost can't be single mother. Singe mother need to pay fine instead of receive extra welfare, your children would have difficulty in every aspects of life including g…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 07:27 PM
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No, alpha have worse children, lower income, lower social status and more likely to be dishonest.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 07:06 PM
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Monogamy is abnormal in nature, most mammals are lover polygamy (female choose the best male and raise children alone). Human become monogamy only because female can't raise children alone. As society get richer and richer, lover polygamy would become more mainstream and provider model would become less viable. Though, maybe we are in a transitional era that transhumanism would become real or Gynocentrism patriarchy would comeback.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 06:53 PM
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Yes, it's actually lover VS provider spectrum. Male lover is massively overestimated.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 06:46 PM
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The problem is too many people view "beta" as negative. No, provider is a responsible strategy while "alpha" is dangerous and should be despised. Almost every male should try to become beta provider.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 06:41 PM
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why?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 06:18 PM
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Why "alpha lover" model is bad Bad parenting create single mother/fatherless children. Cheating and lying is more common in this strategy. Greatly harm the lawful interest of beta provider.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 06:09 PM
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Lost the support of family is quite bad, but maybe not a big problem in richer country.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 02:19 AM
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Dink is very risky for female, I seen many male change his mind and choose divorce in his 40s and female can't reproduce anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 01:43 AM
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I am not a law expert but some clause could be invalid in different country or at least cost a lot. In China, add punishment to divorce in prenup might be viewed as "oppose divorce freedom" and become invalid. It's quite hard to stop male to divorce/cheating after female hit the wall, and it's not easy to stop female divorce after marriage for apartment gift.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 01:39 AM
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For example couple could add or reduce punishment of cheating/divorce. It's important to protect male and female providers against lying chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 11:12 PM
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Marriage still link to many special privileges, that's why some les and small minority of gay want same sex marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 10:55 PM
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The real problem is no alternative, people should have more freedom to decide what "marriage" means to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 08:18 PM
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What do you mean by dumped/divorced? If female ask return equal to STR in every short period, she should be dumped when her value decreased too much and not enough for monogamous relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/19 04:06 AM
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The worth of human body is different, usually male need to pay something to stay with female because his body naturally worth less. This attitude is very bad for monogamous provider model LTR. Ideally female need to sacrifice more when she is young and get payoff when she is old.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/19 03:52 AM
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Monogamy is rare among mammals, human are monogamous mostly because female can't raise children alone and need male paternal investment. Given enough resources, most males are worthless and should be incel. Human is mostly monogamous, provider is still very attractive in most parts of the world. I feel the dumb promotion of "follow your heart" or "alpha male" affect too many ignorant people in West.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/19 07:35 PM
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I am not a big fan of provider, radical provider culture("Today I worked 14 hours, I am so happy that my life is meaningful!" type) in China is one of the reasons I want to immigrate to US. However, many people in this sub praise "chad" "alpha male" too much and failed to understand the benefits of "provider" or "beta male".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/19 02:59 PM
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Monogamy is not necessary, reasonable amount of polyandry and polygamy is better for providers. Providers could invest a lot on children with low paternity uncertainty, while "alpha male" leaves single mother in poverty. Rich chad is still chad because he invest money on himself rather than his children and partner. What is the different result between "alpha male" and "beta male"? You could look at black community and Asian community in US. The promotion of alpha male and lover model is a very …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 09:39 PM
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Unclear property rights and the tragedy of the commons, why work for other people's kids? If providers don't get rewarded, society would collapse. Marriage is not related to love, marriage is a property contract. Patriarchy trumps in all major civilizations because they could reward provider(reduce paternity uncertainty by limit woman's freedom) and punish chad, conquer inferior group marriage or matriarchy(kin-selection) society. In our times, it is possible to construct society that are more f…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 09:21 PM
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Not everyone can be chad, even for STR pleasure some people should just try to earn more and buy sex doll. Don't waste time/money and save your virginity for better wife. Saving and provide makes me happy too, some man are "hardwired" so. In addition, I don't want to be the shame of my family and a total loser like the popular athlete in your high school. People would be less sad about sunk cost after they learn the concept. I am less sad about female cheating after I understand paternity uncert…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 07:19 PM
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You could learn from black community, I prefer to keep Asian's way. People seen difference and call them racism, failed to understand they are result of lover/provider choice. The anger against female cheating is largely caused by paternity uncertainty, which is mostly illusion in our times. Accept it and you could find better partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 07:03 PM
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No, provider would have better income, better family and better children, soon they would have better sex robot too.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 06:49 PM
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TRP is man's feminism, some of their theory are true and meaningful but their purpose and advices are very harmful for reasons they don't understand, greatly reduced the RMV of believers. "Alpha male" should be rejected.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 04:22 PM
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The major harm of rape is about paternity uncertainty(only directly harm man), so man would oppose rape more than woman, view it as an extremely serious offence. Objectively speaking, the damage of rape of female(including the future male investment decrease) is not very high, probably on par with medium injury. The rape of male is a much smaller offence and on par with assault/small injury.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/19 04:06 AM
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lol WTF? I thought at least some RP understand evolution? Female feels good after have sex, but it's very bad for relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 08:10 PM
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Most people don't understand the true price of "hookup culture" or sexual freedom in general, and free market failed when consumer don't know the price. The benefits of hookup culture is clear: social confidence, enjoyment and STR provider. The price is paternity uncertainty, male are less willingly to invest on children with high paternity uncertainty. Being initiative, strong and independent means she is more likely to cheat and don't need investment. Better or worse? it depends on woman, woma…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 07:59 PM
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Most people don't understand the true price of "hookup culture" or sexual freedom in general, and free market failed when consumer don't know the price. The benefits of hookup culture is clear: social confidence, enjoyment and STR provider. The price is paternity uncertainty, male are less willingly to invest on children with high paternity uncertainty. Being initiative, strong and independent means she is more likely to cheat and don't need provider. Better or worse? it depends on woman, woman …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 06:35 PM
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It's just an example, no one said median should be around 5. And we need to consider difference between regions, from my point of view median of US is 0.5-1 point lower than Western Europe and Japan.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 07:00 PM
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We need an objective standard. For example: 1-2: Many people call you ugly. 3-4: Normal people 5-6: Many people call you good-looking. 7: You could get part-time job/invitation/advertisement by your face. 8: You could make a reasonable living by your face
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 02:50 PM
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In short, paternity uncertainty. One thing you did not mention: cheating man might be viewed as high value and more attractive because their children could have more children. The use of "alpha male" and "cuck" are retarded, especially in this sub. "Alpha male" are these should be rejected, while polyandry is more acceptable with paternity test.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 05:08 AM
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Infertility is absolutely a lack of talent, miscarriage might be caused by lack of talent or just accident. Basically, you could view such talent as human capital. Their benefits wouldn't displayed in GDP or tax form but still very important.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 06:38 PM
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Infertility, abortion and miscarriages indeed greatly decrease one's value in marriage market, but single miscarriages might only be an accident.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 06:31 PM
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Why man would agree with money transfer? Unless all of them are idiots, they must get sth in return. Neither side can reproduce without the other's cells, but male reproductive ability is oversupplied and not very useful.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 06:28 PM
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Gender ratio might be caused by population not reported, you could look at the difference between 5th and 6th census. In addition, cities in China always have no shortage of female population,
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 06:27 PM
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Talent means the natural ability to do sth useful well, male reproductive ability is oversupplied and worth much, while female reproductive ability is very useful and worth a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 06:18 PM
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China has a long history of gender imbalance(usually about 200:100 before large civil war), which is unrelated to one child policy and non-existent at beginning of the dynasty. The current gender ratio data is probably not real, for example, the 5th nationwide population census show gender ratio of 5-9 years old is 115, ten years later in 6th census, the gender ratio of 15-19 years old become 108. In 5th census the gender ratio of 10-14 years old is 109, ten years later in 6th census the gender …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 06:16 PM
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China.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 06:06 PM
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Half of the people lack the talent to be reproducer.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 06:04 PM
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To marry provider woman, man need to be good-looking. To marry provider man, woman need to have low paternity uncertainty.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 05:36 PM
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The proof that STR partner is much better.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 05:34 PM
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Male also could increase value in STR market by provide money(pay for dating) or service(like help with homework or cooking), maybe not very common in US though. STR is not all about SMV. The point is, male want to skip part of the chasing process and future investment in STR, so he need to target someone much worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 04:14 PM
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In short, woman could get STR partner who are impossible to be their LTR partner, like a male star or top provider, but STR is only STR.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 03:46 PM
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Not "prefer", just STR partner have higher value.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 03:35 PM
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See my reply to main post.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 03:21 PM
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Are you man or woman? You could try to register tinder with a photo of average or below average looking woman. A female groupie might sleep with male star, but it's impossible for male groupie to sleep with female star.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 03:17 PM
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Better=higher value. Woman do value LTR, but their LTR partner are tends to be more "provider" than STR partner. [1]If a man could find reasonable STR partner, that's a proof of high value because even woman several tiers worse than him is still not extremely bad. [2]Because most married man only could find STR partner worse than them, usually they still love their LTR partner with higher value. Man cheat for sex, woman cheat for love.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 03:14 PM
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1.Man and woman cheating are quite different. [1] In most relationship, male body worth much less than female. Let's say two people formed a company, A contribute 10k worth of capital and 20k worth of labor, B contribute 20k worth of capital and 10k worth of labor. Then "capital withdraw" is more serious for B than for A. [2] For most man, LTR partner is much better STR partner, man cheat for sex. For most woman, STR partner is much better than LTR partner, woman cheat for love. [3]Paternity Unc…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 03:07 PM
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For most man, LTR partner is much better STR partner. For most woman, STR partner is much better than LTR partner. And higher value body+ paternity uncertainty make woman cheating more serious in most cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 02:51 PM
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“Strong and independent” is good for STR but horrible for LTR, unless female want to be a provider. The personality greatly increase the paternity uncertainty and male wouldn't want to invest in partner that don't need his investment.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 03:35 AM
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If you want or not want a traditional family, you need to follow the rule and accept it all, you can't just get the benefits while ignore the dark side.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 01:11 AM
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Marry before 20 or 22 is illegal in China, but some people did de facto marry in 16 or 14. Free market failed like US healthcare system when people don't know the price. Female devalue faster than male, and devalued more in relationship due to paternity uncertainty. Marry earlier sacrifice the enjoyment of STR with high value partner in exchange of get better LTR partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 04:28 PM
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Casual sex is good but loyal partner and low paternity uncertainty are more important. High paternity uncertainty cultures tends to have lower paternal investment, which would cause much bigger problem than the lack of casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/19 04:06 PM
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"Be yourself" is a retarded idea, our gene's interest may not represent our best interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/19 09:33 PM
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Blue Pill is a bad paradigm, most "conventional wisdom" had good reasons behind them, but many objective conditions changed a lot. In our time it's very difficult to figure out which "conventional wisdom" are (not) still working and why. Like 2nd gen feminism, TRP in west at least want to explain phenomenon observed in a rational way. However, reasons behind "conventional wisdom" usually are very complicated, otherwise we wouldn't failed to understand them at first. Many of their results are not…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/19 10:00 PM
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Quite common in China, so...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/19 02:34 AM
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Men have higher sex drives in young ages, women have higher sex drives later.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 04:07 PM
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Better appearance and more money. Aoi sola, the most famous Japanese Porn actress in China, married a DJ in her 34.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 04:05 PM
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It's about biology, female reproduction ability declined faster.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 03:17 AM
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Good troll
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 03:16 AM
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I don't think bottom 50% of men today are sexless, but it is probably true for ancient China. China has very long history of unbalanced gender ratio, usually about 200:100 at the end of a dynasty. Too many incels is absolutely a huge social problem and one of the major reasons of these stupid bloody civil wars that each killed tens of millions of people. Almost every dynasty tried some policy to stop infanticide but all of them eventually failed.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/19 05:27 AM
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It's not tax break, it's fair tax on "real" income.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/19 04:50 AM
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Dude A has x income plus z more value from his body and appearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/19 04:27 AM
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Born in China, I need to fight against a lot of brainwash. I changed my overall belief many times, but never shift 180 degrees. My enlightenment comes from classical liberal ideologist and their followers in China, this includes 2 gen feminism, which I still agree with today (except the cancerous anti-gay part). I never believed any part of post-modernist nonsense though, modernist is overwhelmingly mainstream in China and people only disagree with what/who are superior or inferior. I used to be…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/19 07:48 PM
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The only important gender difference is reproduction process, which caused almost all other difference. For example, male need to have higher talent because his reproduction ability worth much less, male want higher variance because only male could pay for reproduction ability until recently.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/19 09:33 PM
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PU is about feeling, most untrained people can't use intelligence to overcome it. It's not hard to understand rape/cheating only done small harm but the fear of PU makes it feels extremely horrible.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/19 03:38 PM
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Provider need to care about paternity uncertainty, chad or narcissist has low PU requirement. "I am a stable genius, trust me, I have best genes, everyone loves me."
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/19 06:44 AM
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That's a common misunderstanding about PU. DNA test is not very useful because our body don't understand DNA test. One should afraid gun more than snake, but most people just can't control themselves. (Few trained people could)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/19 06:37 AM
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Paternity Uncertainty is not something could easily control, female got great trouble if male unconsciously feel he isn't fathering his children. Chance of many disasters would greatly increase: the decrease of investment on children, cheating and divorce, domestic violence, child abuse, etc. I am fine with high n-count, actually I believe rich female should choose this way because they don't really need investment, but people should know the price.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/19 06:29 AM
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Where are you come from? The general high paternity uncertainty is linked to low investment from male. Being virgin at 23 is still mainstream in China, and the culture norm for urban upper-middle class is that male need to have apartment to marry.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/19 04:35 AM
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Paternity uncertainty is too high. They don't understand the reason but naturally feel high PU woman are not good LTR partner. There are some men with low PU requirement, mostly polygamy man, good-looking man and narcissist.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/19 06:45 PM
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High variance = low payoff for bottom and high payoff for top, so surprise!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 07:35 PM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 07:33 PM
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It depends on how to understand "matriarchal" or "equality".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 07:18 PM
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Yes, maybe not widely exist but some are some are still there today, like Mosuo people in China.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 07:06 PM
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Short term: More sex for average man, lower marriage rate, lower male investment on children including more single mother and more horrible marriage. Long term: Depends on policy and new technology.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 05:21 AM
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Murician usually have very low standard on weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 05:13 AM
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There are two standards, the increase of one usually means the decrease of another. In patriarchy society, the paternity uncertainty is low. Male need to invest a lot while female need to be loyal. "alpha male" strategy is not encouraged(like in China) or even criminalized(like in Islam country). The standard of male appearance/emotional value is low while the standard of male investment is high. In matriarchy society, the paternity uncertainty is high. Male need not to invest(or only invest in …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 02:43 AM
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Yes, Abraham accept the child sacrifice, God later allow them to redeem firstborn child, hinted the firstborn sacrifice probably was common. I think some Chinese view Abraham's ancestors as Jews too.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/19 02:37 AM
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"Dedicate to me every firstborn among the Israelites. The first offspring to be born, of both humans and animals, belongs to me." Exodus 13:2, also see Exodus13:15, 34:19 and 34:20 Actually it is quite common at the beginning of patriarchy(Not only Han Chinese but also many minority in China) and would be abandoned later when monogamy established.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/19 02:16 AM
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A common explanation of old testament in China view some paragraph as the history of "kill first child" at early times. Punici, Greece and Hun all have similar culture in certain period.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/19 02:08 AM
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Marriage is another form of trade, if you like it, you could buy it with certain price. Low paternity uncertainly is definitely a huge positive trait and worth a lot of money.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/19 02:03 AM
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That's how the world work, accept it. There is no such thing as a free lunch. There is no such thing as a free lunch. There is no such thing as a free lunch.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/19 12:18 AM
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The paradigm of TRP is more scientific, at least they try to explain things from a rational perspective. However, the conclusion of BP is better with very complicated reason behind them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/19 05:00 PM
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No fault divorce = allow one party end marriage even he or she doesn't have proof of other side's fault. It does not related to punishment to fault party.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 04:32 PM
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The equivalent "uncontested divorce" exist in most of the time of China's history, so they could divorce. In time period when no-fault divorce isn't allowed, they will stuck in marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 04:31 PM
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Why people oppose no fault divorce? Could someone EIL5? No-fault divorce exist in China's history and become law in 1950, why UK not allow it until now?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 04:24 PM
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Her value is much higher than me, or she could properly compensate the loss. I do think polygamy and polyandry is the natural state if society become rich enough, much better than single mother/single father.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 04:11 PM
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“cuckoldry” is a retarded word that shows lack of understanding on gender issues. High variance and equality = bottom male has lower value than bottom female. Another solution is single mother/single father, but I think it is much worse than polygamy or polyandry and would cause more problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 02:03 PM
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Today woman provide less emotional value, loyalty and house work, while man also provide less money. High paternity uncertainty and "independent woman" reduce male investment. Our biology don't shift as fast as society, one could be PUA or whatever, but "improve yourself" isn't easy and wouldn't help the overall environment. In a real communism world with infinite productivity, most man can't get exclusive partner. My suggestions: First, male in developed country could try to find partner from d…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 05:22 AM
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Copy-Paste from my old post, apply for 90% of nonsense on gender/relationship issues: Male and female provide different goods and services in relationship and marriage, they should be judged by different standards. Use start-up as example, investors provide capital while entrepreneurs are in charge of the company. Their roles and responsibilities are different, investor may spend no time on company, but entrepreneurs could not “equally” to do so. Reproduction process is the most important differ…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 04:31 AM
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Every consumption devalue yourself, but...they are enjoyable.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 11:34 PM
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No offence but are you gay or asexual? Usually man want sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 11:15 PM
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Our body don't understand birth control so "worthless" relation like ONS still could produce a lot of emotional value to both agents. Woman could choose to become single mother for better gene and better sex, or choose provider for better investment, or choose a "normal” guy for a reasonable combination. The only thing changed is we become richer, so being single mother is much easier than before and chad are more welcomed in rich country.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 11:04 PM
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Only in LTR, probably not in STR.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 10:49 PM
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It means you view her so low that you don't even want STR.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 10:42 PM
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Female human's body naturally worth more, rejection to male is normal while rejection to female is a huge insult.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 10:13 PM
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Sex is extremely important in relationship, otherwise we could see a lot of straight people marry with same sex. LTR is not only about sex and character is important, but character could be compensate with other merits.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 05:12 AM
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??? Not true for China.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 04:49 AM
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But you can't get very high return for being smart, hard working, responsible or especially attractive. Easy mode can't get high scores.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 04:36 AM
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Male human's body naturally worth less than female, so find STR is much easier for female human. The challenge is to find LTR, or relationship with enough parental investment, otherwise you could become single mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 04:34 AM
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The problem here is, why father would treat his own children so bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/19 08:01 PM
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This is nonsense, it's like "imagine a world where start-up provide money to investors"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/19 07:53 PM
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Which part? I would edit it to fit certain country's narrative
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/19 07:52 PM
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I translated from Ayawawa, could explain some case. Maybe too foreign for certain country.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/19 07:51 PM
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Which country are you from? Do you have any other talents like "extremely handsome" "willing to take care of children"? I think a "female provider - male beauty" couple is absolutely viable in western world, but you need to properly estimate yourself and learn to provide emotional value. There are many other ways, for example could you accept interracial marriage? You could try to date international student from China or India. I mean, find your talents/privileges and find people who value these…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 03:59 AM
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"low self-esteem" is not "low self-valuation". Have you think about why rape is a more serious crime compare to false imprisonment and intentional injury although it seems to cause less harm to one's body? In short, being raped greatly increase paternity uncertainty and reduce the value of female body, so rape is a very serious offence to female's property rights while much less harmful to male (Rape/sexually assault/sexually abuse male human should be punished less than rape/sexually assault/se…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 04:58 PM
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Yes, but in general woman spend more on appearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 03:09 AM
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You have great confidence about your pension.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 05:20 PM
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As a general rule, I would not directly deny any merits, only have certain valuation of them. If you care appearance a lot less than the market, ugly people(who don't overestimate themselves) probably are your good choice. Being raped or sexually abused reduce the value of victim's body by increasing paternity uncertainty, and I always said male should reduce the requirement of paternity certainty(for example, more tolerant about cheating partner) in 21st century because we have paternity test n…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 03:50 AM
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The hatred comes from paternity uncertainty, although most men can't even realize. There are some reasonable reasons, man/woman with higher value usually has higher price, you buy it you pay it. Same could apply to 舔狗(lap dog, refers to man who waste too many time/resource to his "love" and get nothing). However, there are so many ignorance, misinformation and con-artist on marriage market. Sometimes it's not free choice, but a newbie conned by PUA, overestimate his/her value or follow wrong adv…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/19 08:52 PM
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Male are more likely to think the opposite sex love him, because a wrong guess for male used to cost nothing while a true guess benefit a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/19 09:59 PM
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Reason 1 is a US-only problem
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/19 09:57 PM
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In a country with atheist majority and alliance between communist and nationalist, right-winger don't have much choice. Cultural revolution mostly punished "yellow Russians" and pro-CCP intellectuals, a relatively good era during first 30 years. The real bad events are land reform/socialism transformation, same tragedy happened in many countries and still happening now in South Africa. In 1978, China was far worse than India but Deng start market reform about 10 years earlier.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/19 02:30 AM
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I am a male Chinese libertarian, socialism regime discriminate my father and made China one of the poorest country in the world, thanks to market reform our life become much better but maybe some day CCP would be commie again, who knows? From my point of view, TRP in west are mostly "reverse 3rd wave feminism". The conventional wisdom known as "blue pill" better reflect the balance value of male and female, some people just don't want to pay for what they get. What's worse they are even linked t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/19 04:07 AM
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No idea about other country, but high value leftover women is clearly visible in China.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/19 02:48 AM
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Having kids harm woman's brain and career.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/19 02:07 AM
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Quite common among Chinese business owner who pollute a lot, under some policies have children or not pollute cost too much money and not beneficial enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/19 05:48 PM
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The overall fertility rates is about policy and can not be changed by personal choice. Say, someone could argue about "salary is too low" while "not earn a lot".
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/19 04:06 PM
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As a general rule, usually "same" is not equal in marriage because two sides provide different things and have different natural restrictions.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/19 12:28 AM
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I hope you enjoy your marriage with a poor grumpy landwhale because she would never cheat you!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/19 04:35 PM
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It does matter to me, just less important than average male and closer to female. Would your partner become angry if she know you "had fucked some other nigga"? Probably, but less than you in the same condition.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/19 04:32 PM
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Same for cheated man, so I suggest man should be more tolerant about cheating like woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/19 04:29 PM
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Same for cheated man, so I suggest man should be more tolerant about cheating like woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/19 04:28 PM
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All the reasons you list apply to both male and female, yet in most society(AFAIK, including modern western world), male are less tolerant about cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/19 04:27 PM
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Cheating is bad, but now not as bad as most male believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/19 04:23 PM
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Sexual and reproduction ability, emotional value(including love), money, information/connection/service obtained from career or relatives.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/19 04:23 PM
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Two options with expected value of 4: 1: payment=10, default risk=10%, default loss=50 2: payment=4, default risk=0 In modern society, maybe default loss reduced to 20 but our valuation system still view it as 50, the illusion could be overcomed by learning.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/19 02:52 AM
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As a man I’m trying to maximize subjective feelingsa not whatever someone else tells me is rationally optimal You could refuse "haunted house" so atheist could buy it for cheaper price. Follow your heart is very easy and feels good, but easy path has a price. Better understanding helps in better deal, like, it is natural to seek a LTR partner similar to STR partner, which is a very bad strategy for female.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/19 02:50 AM
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Emotional component is part of the deal, which means you gain extra utility in the deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/19 02:45 AM
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Step1- People in some countries don't need to worry about this stupid question at all. I'm not a US law expert but maybe you could avoid this by prenuptial agreement or paternity test before you sign the document? Step2- why you should be with a woman at all if not to continue you line? (1) cheat may not end in cuckcolding (2) marriage could provide many things other than children, including but not limit to sex, emotion value, money and connection. Step3- You are asking something in return, whi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/19 01:21 AM
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The price should not be same. Negative trait need positive trait to balance. Loyalty is not a Boolean variable, loyalty could vary from 0.00 to 1.00. Most people choose a partner with reasonable price-quality-risk ratio.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/19 01:05 AM
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Do you invest all your money in US government debt because the risk is the lowest?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/19 01:02 AM
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In some sense, a trait's worth equal to how people value it. In another sense, it depends on people's information. For example, if you don't believe electronic car, you could say Tesla is a huge bubble and people overestimate it. If you are a electronic car zealot, you probably believe traditional car companies are overestimated by the market because they will bankrupted soon. My valuation of loyalty is quite low, but this is not important because people have different preference. Loyalty is not…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/19 12:56 AM
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Some "feeling" are caused by the fear of cuckholding in evolution, understand it might change the preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/19 12:47 AM
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Different people have different default risk, like US national debt has much lower default risk than almost everyone, a female or male virgin also has lower cheating risk than someone who slept with 100 man or woman. Low default risk is great, but it comes with a price, US government pay very low interest while virgin worth more in LTR market. Now, new technology reduced the default loss but most people are not aware. I suggest (1) high-risk deal become much better with this change. (2) people s…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/19 12:39 AM
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Step1- I googled it, what a joke. In China woman usually need to pay back all child support after divorce, part of child support before divorce and some mental damage compensation. (Same for man who use family money to support love child). Still, you have higher chance to know now. Step2/3- because by accept a flaw you could get something better in other aspects.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/19 12:26 AM
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There were many reasons for male to be less tolerant about cheating, now these reasons no longer exist but most people are still not aware. I suggest male should be more tolerant about cheating to the degree of female.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/19 12:13 AM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/19 12:11 AM
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Not enough information, we need more information about your appearance, wealth, character, intelligence, etc to properly appraise you. Then, you need to inform us about your sexual orientation and personal preference in relation.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/19 05:42 AM
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As a libertarian I view relation/marriage as trade, which is very helpful to understand these issues. TRP people and left-wing feminist both have quite good understanding about reality, but they want too many free stuff and call every difference between buyers and sellers "unfair" "non-institutional sexism" "Gynocentrism" or whatever stupid phrase. Human female need to invest more on reproduction, so human male should provide something in return. How to do business with con-artist in a environme…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/19 05:25 AM
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I don't know 2.(1) People's mate value would change over time (2) Usually people have better information than "no information", a lot of people know a deal is good when they see one. If you know the exact Bayesian distribution then you don't have to use this retarded strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/19 02:48 AM
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This applies to certain circumstances like 相亲, where you need to choose from a lot of people in very short time. In real life, I hope you have better information about your partner......
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/19 02:24 AM
1

Could you explain a little more? I think being single mother/single father is much easier in US.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/18 09:38 PM
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In China, man and woman need marriage to reproduce, otherwise you would have a lot of problems. You need to pay fine, you might get fired if you work in government, your child might can't get Hukou(local citizenship) and all rights link to it including education, etc. One of the reasons abortion rates is so high.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/18 04:58 PM
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It depends on actual deal, like if one of them love me more, if I love one of them more, how good-looking are they, how much emotional value they require or provide, etc. In general, I do think the 21 year old have lower market price if all other conditions are same. However, I also believe most man are overestimate the importance of loyalty in 21st century because now we have paternity test, so I probably would choose the 21 years old if both do not overestimate or underestimate themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/18 04:38 AM
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Like all deal or Merger & Acquisition, it depends on actual circumstances and price. "Attracted to you" is a good reason for both of you to get a great deal because one of you value the other side higher than market. This is the real reason behind conventional wisdom of love. However, since she is uglier than another buyer, she may not able to afford you. We all know what would happen when bankers sell house to those who can't afford... You should evaluate her default risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/18 04:10 AM
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Biologically, woman need to invest more on child, so in a fair deal man SHOULD provide something in return. Human invented birth control method, but our preference hardly changed. In short-term relation, woman could date with man far better than them, hell, even a female groupie could sleep with male star. However, in long-term relation, a female groupie can't marry with male star. Find someone worse than your short-term partner is NOT "marry down" but "properly estimate yourself".
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 04:40 AM
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If the quality of all certain kind of goods increased, would people buy more of them or would they only increase their standards? Well, people would buy more AND increase their standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 04:16 AM
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Well, if your good attuite is the reason she dislike you, then why she come back? Usually women's appearance devalue faster than man, which means in early 20s man in general worth less than woman. You can't compare your salary with hers because it's like compare your appearance with hers(and she is a student!). Usually man earn more and are uglier than woman. After broke up, you successfully increase your value by lost weight and earn a lot more money, while her appearance probably devalue faste…
/r/MGTOW24/12/18 04:13 AM
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Maybe your first girlfriend is much better than you and the one night stand woman is much worse than you.
/r/MGTOW24/12/18 12:12 AM
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Marriage has many benefits according to law, for example, you could transfer a lot of money without paying taxes. In some countries like China, have children without marriage can be very difficult. You need to pay one-child policy fine, your child may not get Hukou and can't enter school, etc. Why marriage exist is another question. In short, marriage is a contract between man and woman, woman invest more in reproduction so man need to pay in long term. Marriage and related social norms are one …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 06:04 PM
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Like many man met more than one woman in 5-years period, women on average met 6.75 man in this model. The point is, same model could apply to man and woman alike, bad people are less common than people met them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 03:49 PM
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I can't find the exact polls but maybe it is a reasonable representation of Chinese cities. In China, Urban is about 3 times richer than countryside, with almost zero language and culture barrier you could imagine people try immigrate to large cities. Although China have more man than woman, cities in China do have more woman than man.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 04:07 PM
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In STR, women naturally worth more.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 01:05 PM
1

The male equivalent of "libertine's last woman" or "principal wife".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/18 10:35 PM
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I agree many points of feminism and TRP, they both show some truth of this world. However, truth should be used to improve yourself, not used to hate half of the human beings. If you want to apply for a job but all your competitors are better than you, what does that mean? It means you are not qualified for this job. You could appraise an Ordinal dating value of all your classmates, who you should match?(Like, if you are the 15th of 20 male student, you should look at 15th of 20 female student) …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/18 10:23 PM
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In West, maybe. In China, probably not. China's city has too many woman, the sex ratio is the opposite of the country. While in countryside, the gender equality is really bad. For example, in countryside the female suicide rate is much higher than male.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/18 06:44 PM
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She thought it is possible to enter LTR with every type, just require different merits. She use female's view most of the time, so STR/LTR mostly depends on woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/18 06:33 PM
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Money, because money is great for you and your children, obviously. (My opinion: I know what you really ask for. Woman need to spend more money and time on reproduction, so man need to pay it one way or another, otherwise the deal is unfair. BTW Ayawawa strongly oppose marry up too high or marry down too low, resentment, cheat and suffer are some common consequence. From my point of view, it likes buy house you can't afford and end in bad debt, a disaster for everyone.)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/18 06:31 PM
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In China, you could imagine cities and countryside are two different countries similar to apartheid in many aspects. People can't immigrate freely and most resources are in large cities with >5million urban population. Your rights is limited if you do not have "citizenship"(hukou) of your city. For example, you would have much worse healthcare, your child need to go back to where you come from to have education until university, many jobs would not accept you, etc. I think countryside need femin…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/18 04:02 PM
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No, unless your partner serves in military or you marry more than once.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/18 03:47 PM
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I think the main difference is she encourage followers to accept the reality, become better person and trade honestly. She isn't interest in what society should be(not very safe in China), only focus on what society is and what to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/18 01:39 AM
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My opinion: Of course individuals have different preference, but the appearance score is about "market price".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/18 01:27 AM
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To my understanding, Alpha and Beta are more about quality. Scissor-Paper-Stone are types, not quality. Do not directly use wealth/appearance to decide types, it mainly depends on what you provide in relation. Stone man are loyal, they want girl with good price-quality ratio.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/18 01:17 AM
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Rank appearance is free, she makes money mostly by selling book and emotion consultant business.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/18 01:04 AM
2

She used to have some online events to rank people's appearance, now you also could send a photo to her staff to get your score. For a simpler approach, 1-2 should have some people call you "ugly", 3-4 are normal people, 5-6 should have some people call you "good-looking", 7 could get job offers with appearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/18 12:55 AM
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Marry with good man, keep them loyal and make them invest. She respect woman who looking for emotional value(It's your choice), but encourage most followers to find Stone. She said you could refuse to lower the standard and enjoy short-term relationship, but then you would be a single mother(like many people in EU), which is not a good choice in China. Yes, usually she suggest to increase MV and decrease PU. Also, some suggestions are about how to deal with extended family, partner's parent or p…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/18 12:50 AM
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https://twitter.com/pnin1957/status/1051799180069531648 Some argue white benefit from AA while others disagree, but at least the effect is very small.
/r/MGTOW20/10/18 12:37 AM
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Is it that bad? Many people face discrimination or other hardship and just deal with it(or try to make a change). Like in education, if you are not Asian you would benefit from Affirmative Action.
/r/MGTOW19/10/18 11:39 PM
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Seems there are some misunderstanding about words, when I refer to equality it means equal in market, like private company have rights to hire or not hire based on race, gender, age, weight or anything……(Like in China, most company would be rational and reflect real needs). If you think civilization would collapse, have you considered immigrate to another country?
/r/MGTOW19/10/18 11:30 PM
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Free market != natural world. While "welfare" "public schools" "assistance" are not very related to gender issues, gender-biased program are sexism against equality and should be opposed. If you don't want to consider sell yourself in global market, maybe that is one of the reason you think deal is bad.
/r/MGTOW19/10/18 11:24 PM
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Read some MGTOW article recently, not very hard to understand because I already know concepts like Male Disposability. Well, what did you think marriage is? Love blessed by your non-existent God in Bronze age myth called Holy Bible? Respect free market and deal with it. I like Chinese marriage guru Ayawawa, she view marriage as trade and teach his followers(mostly females but also include some males) how to use their gender advantage. Basically both gender could provide fertility value(good-look…
/r/MGTOW19/10/18 12:05 AM
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