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Marriage/Childrenshishkebab311/r/MensRights13/11/23 04:16 PM
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Social Issuesshishkebab311/r/MensRights23/01/23 10:02 PM
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It's ironic because as others have said, the woke movement encourages identity politics. But being a men's rights proponent would also be a part of identity politics. It's become a zero sum game.
/r/MensRights15/03/24 03:17 AM
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Fiction is always informed by reality. We can empathize with characters more than other human beings. This is why representation in media began to focus on less mainstream stories. They got carried away but the premise for representation is exactly this. Media, including books, and largely containing fiction stories, both reflect society's values and works to reflect its values onto society.
/r/MensRights29/11/23 03:27 AM
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Sounds like a skills issue /s
/r/MensRights08/11/23 12:20 AM
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We may be a minority here, but I don't think that's a bad thing.
/r/MensRights31/10/23 03:41 AM
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I don't know man, I feel like it depends on your department. I just finished my PhD and I didn't have these pressures, even in the humanities. That being said, I was the only male in a PhD cohort for 3 years. If you stick to the hard sciences, law, business, or engineering, you'll be among some of the only conservatives on campus (on average) and they may be less likely to have some of these extremist views. Ultimately, you can choose to surround yourself with these people or not. You could go t…
/r/MensRights20/10/23 02:02 AM
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Well fuck me I'm going through this right now as a first time father. On one hand, I'm not alone. On the other hand, I'm also sort of alone.
/r/MensRights16/10/23 04:08 AM
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I noticed this in media. In nearly all media with a female main character, the plot is literally just "I don't want to do what I'm supposed to," (i.e. be a princess, have a power, uphold a marriage, be a mother, etc.). For men, most of our media, although not all (especially teenage media that portrays recalcitrance), is focused on men doing what they need to do (fight a war, overcome an obstacle, be a good father, never quit). I'm not sure which came first, the desire for women to break free of…
/r/MensRights23/09/23 06:29 PM
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I teach at a large public university, largely to classes of mostly women. I have definitely seen a shift in perspective that is focusing more on the struggles of men. Many students don't really know what to do about it, but I have a week on gender that is split into femininity and masculinity and I get significantly more engagement on the masculinity day. Some of that engagement is calling out the flaws of masculinity, of which there are many, but much more is focused on the unique obstacles men…
/r/MensRights27/08/23 05:19 PM
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I'm as far left as I can be. But I think that many people on these types of forums are implicitly right wing for a few reasons. The idea of femininity and feminine nature as something immutable rather than driven by environmental factors is a huge difference between right and left (this is true in general, think poverty, fitness, health, etc. - it's about environment for most people on the left and often about innate qualities on the right) Since many (although not all) men's rights folks are an…
/r/MensRights27/02/23 09:52 PM
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Well I'm glad someone actually has research behind their argument other than "religion bad" This is great. Thank you
/r/MensRights08/02/23 10:35 PM
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That's a fine point. One could argue that rape would benefit evolution alongside ideas of survival of the fittest, but morals have since changed so that that "benefit" would be superceded by our ethical guidelines. But still, in the case of ethical questions, there is no objective ethics. Not here to argue in favor of rape, but just to say that at one point in humanity that was okay. So in the case of circumcision it's just a change in ethics over time to prioritize male agency?
/r/MensRights08/02/23 09:36 PM
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Is there really no benefit at all? I hardly believe that religions would undertake a procedure like this just for aesthetic reasons. That seems unlikely. I totally get the point about autonomy and agency, I'm more curious as to what are the reasons behind the practice in the first place
/r/MensRights08/02/23 09:32 PM
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I was born into a Muslim family so it was always assumed. I have never questioned it though so I'm trying to learn
/r/MensRights08/02/23 09:29 PM
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There can't be NOTHING good... I'm just trying to gain a pros and cons list. Nothing is 100% good or bad. When I hear things like that I just assume a very heavy bias
/r/MensRights08/02/23 09:29 PM
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I'm genuinely confused as I see a lot of conflicting information on this front. Why is circumcision good? And why is it bad?
/r/MensRights08/02/23 08:25 PM
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I feel like the only true male space left is the barber shop. That's a sacred, fraternal bond and a necessity for most men. It becomes a much needed social ritual.
/r/MensRights07/02/23 05:05 AM
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I think that's a very narrow view of the world. Especially your view on academe in general, which seems extremely biased.
/r/MensRights25/01/23 05:36 AM
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Ah yes, the true way to make camaraderie is to alienate those who don't 1000% agree with you. I can be for men's rights without using terms like "feminist" as an insult.
/r/MensRights24/01/23 06:16 PM
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Well Simone wrote at a very different time for the feminist movement. So it seems extreme based on today's standards, understandably. I am curious about that quote you mentioned though since even masculine empires have fallen prey to other masculine empires historically. I wouldn't consider the British empire feminized in 1776 and yet, a fledgling America gained their independence from it. Perhaps these are the rules rather than the exception, but it's difficult to pin down what makes a feminize…
/r/MensRights24/01/23 03:02 PM
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There's a large movement in academia surrounding men and masculinities - many of these scholars are taking more nuanced approaches as evidenced here. The problem is that sensationalist nonsense will grab more headlines than comprehensive analysis
/r/MensRights24/01/23 02:59 PM
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I work as a full time consultant on top of my PhD. I also worked for two years between my masters and PhD. But yes, communication going downhill is a trend I'm noticing as a teacher (I have to teach as part of my PhD). I'm not sure what you mean by heads full of shite though, especially for accounting and finance majors
/r/MensRights24/01/23 04:08 AM
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They can live in whatever realities they want. But victimhood sells. It's easier to say that men are victimized in a university setting and that everyone is trying to cancel them meanwhile they are two very visible media personalities. So it seems like the potential for perverse incentives is there. All I'm saying is that I've been on college campuses and I haven't experienced a fraction of what these people have talked about. They point to exceptions and pretend those are the norm. It's easy to…
/r/MensRights24/01/23 03:07 AM
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Calling people "libtards" says more about you than anything
/r/MensRights24/01/23 02:25 AM
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Lmao what? I think that's a bit overblown... As someone on college campuses for the last 12 years (current PhD candidate) in small public, large public, and a medium sized private university, I have never experienced this. That is most definitely not the norm
/r/MensRights24/01/23 12:58 AM
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You'd be surprised what kind of conservative writing is published in liberal outlets and vice versa. I read a lot of both the NYT and the WSJ and while they may not represent every other media outlet, there's enough diversity of thought. Maybe not the opinion sections. Although the NYT has a pretty consistent column with a republican turned democrat who is basically still a republican in many ways.
/r/MensRights24/01/23 12:57 AM
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These are a lot of great points. While no one piece of writing is ever complete, it is great that some of these issues are conveyed and there is clearly a lot of room for improvement
/r/MensRights24/01/23 12:55 AM
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That's literally my answer to OP. It's the same logic except with 10 years of education experience vs. 2 weeks
/r/MensRights31/08/22 02:02 AM
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I'm a grad student. I take classes and teach classes. My point is if you're looking for ways you're a victim, you'll find them.
/r/MensRights31/08/22 02:01 AM
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I'm sorry but I teach college classes and I just don't agree. I think you're trying to make yourself a victim. I can see a feminist slant, but when you're actually engaging with feminist literature and theory it is about equality more than anything and more recently (post like 2010), a focus on men and masculinities is pretty evident. 2 weeks in and maybe your experience is crap. But I've been in school for 10 years, public and private universities, ivy league and crappy state schools, teaching …
/r/MensRights30/08/22 09:26 PM
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Some people here are incels. It shouldn't devalue the whole movement but there are a lot of idiots on MGTOW and MGTOW2 that just say "wimmin r bad" and it's annoying. I joined years ago and miss when we had better things to talk about.
/r/MGTOW202/07/21 03:20 AM
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Hey good on you for taking the time to write out something comprehensive, with citations and all that. But also, damn you must really live a sad life to spend so much time writing this nonsense. It's easy to say "women are this" or "men are that," but what is difficult is to find nuance. No one ever only acts according to their "nature," which is why identifying human nature is so difficult. If we all went after these instincts, then nothing would be accomplished. It would just be rape, pillage,…
/r/MGTOW220/02/21 09:58 PM
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I'm with it. This all makes sense. But don't for a second believe men don't complain about their female partners. There are shows and movies based on hating one's wife, and that's a common stereotype to have. That's not necessarily a problem in and of itself, but let's not exaggerate.
/r/MGTOW213/02/21 01:35 AM
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Yeah that totally happened
/r/MGTOW208/10/20 05:31 AM
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Yeah well I guess he made smart moves for himself, just not as a father... anyway this is why I'm always so annoyed when people on this sub and elsewhere assume that it's women that are the root of our problems - it's the institutions themselves rather than just women.
/r/MGTOW217/09/20 01:36 PM
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When in doubt and have some free time - play OoT!
/r/MGTOW213/09/20 07:47 PM
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Preach
/r/MGTOW213/09/20 06:32 PM
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Want to hear some irony? My mom made me go MGTOW and realize marriage is a bad deal. I know what you're thinking, but it's likely not the case here. My dad left my mom for a younger woman, took out a huge home equity loan on the house that my mom paid for (both the house and the loan) and has fucked over my mom socially in her home country where divorce is ok for guys but not for women. My mom is a phd pharmaceutical scientist - she makes money, she is independent, and raised myself and my two s…
/r/MGTOW213/09/20 06:30 PM
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I turned an internship into a contract position so I can double my salary during grad school. I submitted a manuscript that is in the review process for an academic journal. I nearly eliminated meat from my diet and am finding comfort in learning how to cook veggies in more diverse ways. I took an MITx course on python. I took my stimulus check and tax return and added it to my retirement account due to lower expenses. I reached my home saving goal six months early and am now on track to purchas…
/r/MGTOW213/09/20 03:30 PM
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Alright so tell me what you've done other than complain online about women that has actually changed anything for the better? I know where my energy is best directed. You can choose your own path as well. All it comes down to is this: I have the power to change my own life. By changing my life, I can help others. On the other hand, complaining gets you nowhere.
/r/MGTOW211/09/20 10:25 PM
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Fair point. I'm trying not to just think positively, but rather to think about things that I can control. I cannot control how others perceive me, but I can control how I want to be perceived, which may influence how others perceive me. I cannot control how women are treated, let alone how I am treated. But I can control how I treat myself and others. I may not have gotten my point across. It's not about thinking I'm Napoleon. But if I constantly think that I can never be that version of myself …
/r/MGTOW211/09/20 07:24 PM
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Ah yes, you've clearly garnered my respect here. I will totally be in service to you forever more. I'm sorry what? I followed you for a while until that point. You clearly think you're entitled to respect and no, you will get none from me based on these comments. You may very well be a person to respect irl. But judging you on these comments, it will be difficult to find any reason to respect you. Sincerely, Disrespectful little boy
/r/MGTOW211/09/20 07:17 PM
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For real. Has MGTOW changed that much? This is why I left the original sub bc of this women hating victimization nonsense. Do we need a MGTOW3?
/r/MGTOW211/09/20 01:53 PM
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Admittedly, yeah, my comment was meant to bring you down. But I'm just reciprocating your energy. You are literally victimizing yourself, even in this comment you say "society likes orange juice more than lemon juice," but "society" is outside of your control. Are you going to constantly be at odds with things you can't control? You can only control your response to those actions, and you've chosen a route where you victimize yourself and then expect me to feel the same way. Maybe I'm misinterpr…
/r/MGTOW211/09/20 01:52 PM
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This is quite literally saying that we're victims to women and a gynocentric society. Good luck living your life that way, with all the shackles that you want. It'll be very difficult to move on up with that weight on your shoulders. Stop blaming women and "society" for your problems. We can understand that there are institutions that favor some over others, but there are also ways to be free of them for the most part. It's not a "tyrannical system" that is restricting US. It's restricting YOU a…
/r/MGTOW211/09/20 01:44 PM
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You're not truly going your own way, nor will you ever be free enough to be your man, if you're constantly comparing your situation with that of women. Disregard that. Don't ever make yourself out to be a victim because you're the only one who victimizing yourself here. Forget this nonsense, focus on yourself. "Oh no muh double standard" wow you've really contributed a lot. No, you're bringing yourself down, you're bringing those who read this down, and most importantly, you're bringing the move…
/r/MGTOW211/09/20 05:43 AM
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I'm with you. I love to cook. I think people that brag or otherwise think cooking is a lot of work just say that because They think they are superior to those who don't cook They cook out of necessity and is therefore a chore (think about working out - if you love it, it's never a chore) When you have a family or anyone else who relies on you to cook, it can get cumbersome. That being said, fuck the naysayers. Enjoy your meals brother. I know I'll enjoy mine
/r/MGTOW229/08/20 05:55 AM
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Hey man, MGTOW doesn't need this kind of negativity. Do not demean women just because you think they have devalued you. Only you can devalue yourself. And if you believe that women see men in this way, why would you do the same to them? That makes you just as shitty. Stop worrying about women. Worry about yourself. Making yourself better, more enjoyable to be around, and better in terms of peace of mind. This post suggests that you are doing none of those things. I wish you well, but take this m…
/r/MGTOW230/07/20 03:44 AM
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"I don't seek validation" Subsequently posts to gain validation from others. Cool that you're doing you, but come on
/r/MGTOW224/07/20 02:20 AM
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Yeah people suck. But who knows? You might meet someone great, you might not. As long as you make yourself a priority, others will naturally flock to you. All I will say is not to judge people prematurely. I do it often, as just about everyone does. But if you are in fact looking for a relationship, it may hurt your chances before you even get an opportunity.
/r/MGTOW213/06/20 02:59 AM
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Nah man. You see what you want to see. With this mentality you'll never give any girl a chance because you've likely judged them too early. On one hand, you absolutely avoid heartbreak. On the other hand, you may miss out on someone great. Let's flip this on its head. If a girl said "there are no good men anymore" would you just straight up agree with it? No. You know there are good men, despite the fuckboys. Be a good man, and don't date the fuckgirls. Don't judge a group of people based on you…
/r/MGTOW212/06/20 11:05 PM
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If you're only looking for ways to be a victim, you will be one. There are MGTOW out there but even if there weren't, that should not affect how you go your own way. Stop focusing on others, and don't talk as if you're a victim of feminism. That doesn't lead to improvement. That leads to victimhood and a defeatist mindset.
/r/MGTOW214/05/20 08:43 PM
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I can see how seeing everyone else as idiots is convenient, but I think it's a really unhealthy way to view the world. Just because you're MGTOW doesn't make you smarter than everyone else. Furthermore, the whole point of MGTOW is to figure out what works for you, and that might not be the same as what works for another. Let them live their lives, even if you don't agree with it. That's all we want from everyone else, so we should reciprocate in turn. With that being said, I agree with you in th…
/r/MGTOW204/05/20 04:39 PM
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Yeah fuck this noise
/r/MGTOW227/04/20 06:10 AM
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I agree with a bunch of points here, but I think you should work on how you phrase this stuff. This post makes it seem like you're a victim of feminism. No MGTOW can be a victim by virtue if being MGTOW. They are inherently in charge of their lives. Try to word things in a way that's positive. Don't say "there's nothing we can do" or "as a man living in a 21st century feminist democracy, I possess no freedom at all." Consider saying "there are options I haven't considered/tried yet" or "I have f…
/r/MGTOW225/04/20 05:54 AM
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This is dope! But I agree with some other comments, it could use some rebalancing. Add some bass/lower frequencies, add some substance to your melody through adding harmonies and other melodic lines alongside letting your notes ring longer. All in all, this seems like a good baseline, on which you can layer different elements. What I like to do when I make beats is to create a baseline like this then add 3-6 different melodies that fit in the same key. Then I just mess around with adding 1 or mo…
/r/MGTOW210/04/20 03:07 AM
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I love my mama very much... now you know that
/r/MGTOW206/03/20 03:19 AM
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We're here to support each other. Not to dictate others' lives. I hope you do whatever makes you happy man.
/r/MGTOW226/02/20 01:19 AM
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I'm as MGTOW as a married man can get. Everyone practices differently. I keep my boundaries by communicating. "I don't want to be responsible for your happiness if you are not responsible for mine." "I want a prenup because I've seen what divorces can do to a person." "This makes me uncomfortable." All it comes down to is being able to talk. Even if your lady friend wants you to do all of the things that MGTOW tries to avoid, being honest can help you maintain your philosophy and boundaries whil…
/r/MGTOW225/02/20 05:20 PM
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It would be much harder to answer that question if you're not part of the communities you're studying. That's why this article is just explaining the trends that they see, based on the data. They aren't asking why. They're asking "what's happening in the manosphere? Are people actually getting into more fringe groups? Are people using more hate speech?" And the answer to those questions is yes, based on their data. Is this right? No. It would help us out a lot more if our grievances were address…
/r/MGTOW209/02/20 01:28 AM
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Most of these newer researchers are just fledgeling academics themselves. They're not paid much. While grant money is often steered toward gaining specific perspectives, they don't get paid only if a specific conclusion is met. Rather, they get paid before the research is done and then a favorable conclusion is, well, favorable. The data doesn't lie. The discussion, on the other hand, is entirely interpretive. Which is exactly why they aren't dealing with WHY people get more militant. Just the f…
/r/MGTOW209/02/20 01:26 AM
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They didn't read these posts... they likely threw it into a textual analysis software to see if certain words come up. The last academic article I read about the manosphere had a matrix of hate words that they counted in a bunch of different subreddits. They did NOT read 38 million posts. They analyzed them.
/r/MGTOW209/02/20 01:24 AM
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The point is, idc what women are doing. Focusing on what they're doing (or not doing) won't help you.
/r/MGTOW203/02/20 01:15 AM
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I'm here bc MGTOW got super focused on hating women. How is this any different? We're just validating the mainstream idea that MGTOW is about men's superiority over women. Who cares who's better? I just want to go my own way without comparing myself to others. Big whoop. This guy must be some genius for not dating interesting people. That's not that special, and if you're hoping it is, you're in the wrong place.
/r/MGTOW202/02/20 08:39 PM
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The observation is implicitly linked to the woman. I can agree, marriage is by and large a losing bet, but let people make their own decisions. It really comes down to this: has this thread helped anyone go their own way? No.
/r/MGTOW219/10/19 06:55 PM
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It literally says that "she will break his heart someday," and while that is possible, that's painting women under a singular brush. I'm no huge fan of women for the most part but let people make their own decisions. If we continue to make our happiness contingent upon the presence of a woman or lack thereof, we are no better for it.
/r/MGTOW219/10/19 06:54 PM
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Take this shit back to MGTOW1. Women bashing doesn't help you go your own way. It just makes you look like a fool who needs to compare yourself to others to be happy. Let people live their lives. You're not smarter because you're MGTOW. You're not better because you're MGTOW. You should understand that people will be happy with their own methods. All I know is making fun of women probably doesn't contribute to your happiness. It probably just makes you feel like a victim. Victimhood is not healt…
/r/MGTOW219/10/19 03:18 AM
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I can't argue for communism or pure capitalism. I'm just trying to say that I never advocated for equality of outcome. Even though that is your interpretation. I think that comes down to your preconceived notions, which are clearly very evident considering that feminism and gender is not a defining feature of leftist politics, Marxism, or the democrat platform. But I suppose it's good you're not trying to pick sides, I just wouldn't want to be like that since my convictions are pretty strong in …
/r/MGTOW205/10/19 01:44 AM
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I've never advocated for equal outcome, nor do even true communists advocate for equal outcome idk where you got that idea in the first place. I think that's at the root of your disdain for the left, judging by only these comments. Individual responsibility is still part and parcel of my philosophy and even Marx's
/r/MGTOW204/10/19 09:44 PM
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I could argue that executives are wildly overpaid and highly paid financiers are paid well above what they are worth. But yes, those examples are few and far between. That doesn't make it right. And yes, the US, while wildly unequal, is still the land of opportunity. I just think there are ways to make the country better for people who by and large are ready and willing to work. Just because you don't complain doesn't make it right. You can work hard, do the right thing, meet the right people, l…
/r/MGTOW204/10/19 08:06 PM
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It's not about welfare. It's just paying people a decent wage. I don't expect everyone in the world to live off the teat of the government. Where did that idea even pop up? Anyway, I am a firm believer in the fact that everyone WANTS to work, to do something meaningful with their lives. I just wish that they could live comfortably doing so. There's enough money in the world. Everyone isn't entitled to being a billionaire but jeez, have you NEVER worked a job where they paid you less than you're …
/r/MGTOW204/10/19 07:41 PM
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It's not about welfare. It's just paying people a decent wage. I don't expect everyone in the world to live off the teat of the government. Where did that idea even pop up? Anyway, I am a firm believer in the fact that everyone WANTS to work, to do something meaningful with their lives. I just wish that they could live comfortably doing so. There's enough money in the world. Everyone isn't entitled to being a billionaire but jeez, have you NEVER worked a job where they paid you less than you're …
/r/MGTOW204/10/19 07:40 PM
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I feel like this was asked a few weeks ago. I'm a leftist! Hardcore Marxist up in this bitch. How I see it, MGTOW advocates for personal happiness. But to me, most people can't truly reach happiness without the income to live comfortably. I'd rather have the option to not work if I don't want to. Or take a vacation. Or hell, get a nicer car. Rich people have that freedom. To me, money is freedom, and I think everyone should be free to go their own way. Unfortunately, this world runs on money so …
/r/MGTOW204/10/19 04:30 PM
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This is a refreshing attitude. Thanks for the post. This sub is not supposed to be about women bashing. That's the easy solution which completely ignores personal responsibility. I had a great childhood as well. I've had good exes. My mom is my role model. Ultimately, you've made the right decision to remain grateful rather than resentful. Don't make yourself a victim. This is what I like to see. Right on man.
/r/MGTOW204/10/19 04:09 PM
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Do you really think that weapons manufacturers aren't at all culpable? Tank manufacturers. Airplane manufacturers. Not to mention the colonial massacres of indigenous people for profit. And the animals slaughtered to make a dollar. Relax buddy, not all of these issues are so cut and dry. Sure. Government isn't perfect. It's barely good. But if corporations are for private interest, and governments are apparently only execution machines, who represents the people? Do you magically exist independe…
/r/MGTOW210/09/19 12:10 AM
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I'm left wing because I want people to succeed and realize their passions. I'd rather not have a system of government that gives in to monied interests. Private companies exist for profit, and government exists for the people. If people want to work, which nearly all of us do in some capacity, it should give them a living wage. It comes down to what humanity means to me. A struggle for survival is not humanity. That's what MGTOW is for me. Instead of struggling for survival in a gyno centric soc…
/r/MGTOW209/09/19 02:46 PM
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/r/iamveryspecial
/r/MGTOW206/09/19 03:06 PM
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/r/iamverysmart
/r/MGTOW221/08/19 09:06 PM
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Don't think that you're smart just bc you're MGTOW. I'm all about the movement but to think that we're better or smarter than others is just proving the fact that we still need external validation. Don't fall into that pit.
/r/MGTOW221/08/19 08:35 PM
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I agree with nearly all of this except for the socialist part. Feminists have been trained to think a certain way, it's an unlocking of a certain mental muscle that enables them to read victimhood into any situation. Idk about socialists though... it just happens to be that they are mostly left leaning. But this kind of extremist feminism is not synonymous with socialism at all
/r/MGTOW225/07/19 09:59 PM
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This says that revenue is down but profit is up so did we really have a great impact? That kinda sucks. Apparently their woman products are doing great so the Male market doesn't matter as much. Plus, revenue could be down based on price based competition alone, which would further diminish our overall impact. I think we need a stronger coalition against PG but that's a whole lot to consider.
/r/MGTOW25/04/19 12:17 AM
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You really just want to be a victim huh? Stop focusing on women and go your own way. You don't need outside validation for your efforts. Better yourself for yourself, not for a pat on the back.
/r/MGTOW215/04/19 10:33 PM
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Not sure if anyone else said it, but I've been all about Zelda Breath of the Wild. It's amazing
/r/MGTOW215/04/19 04:51 PM
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Hey man this completely makes sense. And I think in the scenarios you're outlining, making it a point to protest, even in smaller ways, is something worth doing. Turning a blind eye won't help the situation either I suppose, so there's no reason for me to attack it either. I'm glad we can be adults about this. My solution here, don't breed with stupid people.
/r/MGTOW217/01/19 01:58 AM
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You bring up valid points and I apologize if it sounds like I'm belittling your perspective but I think this war against white men does not have any actual salience outside of college. There are extremists everywhere, but this just seems like Gillette and P&G trying to seem woke to make money, not directly attacking masculinity. So if we can understand it as a money making endeavor I think the threat that this ideological chasm supposedly propagates is actually negligible. That's not based on an…
/r/MGTOW216/01/19 08:52 PM
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Hey man, who gives a crap? Dont buy Gilette. Hell, dont buy anything from Proctor and Gamble. Only you can make yourself feel like a victim. MGTOW is not about victimizing and it is definitely not about making women the bad guys. It is about self improvement. A large step in that process is keeping you cool when some company is clearly virtue signalling because Nike did it successfully. Its profitable. Get over it. They did not attack you nor did they attack a gender. It is a company that is try…
/r/MGTOW216/01/19 11:52 AM
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Dude who cares listen to different music.
/r/MGTOW208/01/19 01:43 AM
You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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