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Below-average man (and below) = nothing Average man = nothing, perhaps LTR once every five years where he is basically her slave and doesn't get laid Above-average man = occasional hookup with sea creature, occasional LTR through social circle with hideous power imbalance Hot man = regular hookups with avg looking women, occasional hookup with above-avg looking women, LTR through social circle with less of a power imbalance Super-hot man (top 0.1%) = regular hookups with above-avg looking women,…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/22 12:05 PM
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British and Italian girls in London? Or in the rest of the UK and Italy?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 03:53 PM
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If you're judging by how easy it is to get laid, most of those 'markets' are harder than the US (can't speak for Eastern Europe or the Balkans). London is way worse than anywhere in the US (including SF; NY is a joke compared to London), most of my exes in London have a parade of rich, hot, super-tall guys as their exes (yes, all three). The amount of Americans I see come over here and shit themselves because dating is way more competitive... Spain and Italy aren't easy either for different reas…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 03:38 PM
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'Decent results' = regular casual sex and relationship options with slim <30yo girls with average+ faces, without playing 'racial arbitrage' (basically white guys with south asian, and to a (far) lesser extent, east asian girls). 2% is 1 in 50. You pick 50 guys under 35 at random and yes, only one of them will be getting the above results. At least in London.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 02:48 AM
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This is the PERFECT analogy for this
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 02:41 AM
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Are you fr? Most men and women these days are really fucking fat. Disgusting
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 02:39 AM
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It really isn't 'the top 20%' getting decent results. More like the top 2%, likely even less than that
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 02:23 AM
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'Europe' spans Spain and Italy, to the UK (London, where I live), to Scandinavia, to the Balkans, to Moldova, and so on. All very different 'sexual markets'.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 02:18 AM
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Spoken like a guy with experience. Good stuff. Surprised some of these things aren't said more often tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 04:16 PM
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Being a bit adventurous and curious and wanting to actually live life This isn't enough to keep her interest up, usually, sorry (first and second-hand evidence). Also lol at 'adventurous' and 'curious', most girls are ten times less of either of those than I am. Jfc 'adventurous' in their case usually means trying out a new brunch place
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 02:53 AM
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Tbh I've seen many instances of this where the guy is bland as fuck, never underestimate the power of 'just fitting in'
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 01:56 AM
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Being an enjoyable human to be around is not “being a jester” ffs It is though, to the level that keeps her interest going. Most of the time I'm pretty normal and not a super positive, leading, giga-extroverted 'master of the universe' type with great playful wit and always wanting to do 'fun' activities and constantly thinking about how I can make her life better, whilst charming and fitting in perfectly with her friend group. And yes this is literally what it takes (other than a degree of manu…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 01:49 AM
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Yep in an LTR you have to jester to keep her around, you can't just think you're the hottest guy ever and feel safe. One more reason to avoid
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 12:26 AM
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Delusional, other men don't magically disappear just because you're in an LTR
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 12:31 AM
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How about you make me interested in you as a person? Oh wait that would involve effort...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 01:36 AM
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Liked the honesty. Noticed this too
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 01:33 AM
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Nope, I'd be more likely to LTR them, same as when a woman smashes on the first date (vs. waiting longer), it's a big green light that she genuinely fancies you and so is less likely to ask you to endure bullshit later on
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 01:32 AM
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Exactly tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 01:30 AM
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I don't want the sex, I want to feel desired and attractive. Having to become a jester whilst she sits there and scrutinises me makes me feel the opposite, even if in the end she does want to smash. So we're not giving each other what we want in any case. Tragic
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 01:29 AM
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Same old shit, women want to see you putting in work but without putting in any work themselves...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 01:24 AM
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Jedi level shit tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 01:23 AM
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The guy in OP should (consensually, of course) put a baby (or more) in her, get the baby DNA tested to be sure it's his, and enjoy the fact that his genes got to procreate with much better genes than his own. Sure she doesn't fancy or love him but if you've had lots of casual sex/been 'genuinely desired' it's not that good anyway, and women get bored. The famous 'hypergamy' goes both ways 😉
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 06:43 PM
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Gigantic WHITEPILL study... until you look closer at Study 1 and realise that female sexual satisfaction isn't improved (much) by more orgasms 😩
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 02:34 PM
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Needed comment. I've found that neither lowering my standards significantly, nor getting significantly hotter, helped with better treatment from women tbh (the latter helps getting matches... but that's about it). Goes against all conventional knowledge, it's bizarre
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 02:03 PM
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Yep it's just telling the other side (the man) to settle instead, so it doesn't remove the problem, just shuffles things around
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 02:01 PM
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why don't I just hold out for the 120 pound woman? You should.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 02:00 PM
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Seen this also. Expecting better treatment from less conventionally attractive women is a fool's errand, it's a personality type thing
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 01:59 PM
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It has for sure. Pre-pandemic was way easier
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 01:37 PM
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Think about the qualities you want in a woman - good looks, good sex, to speak softly, but confidently, to be exclusively interested in you, to be hard to get for other men, etc. etc. Believe it or not, these are the things women are desperate for in a lover Let's examine each of those, shall we? Good looks: most men are priced out from this unless leg lengthening, steroids, and lots of facial plastic surgery Good sex: basically good looks + performative dominance. So lots of work in bed, making…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 06:08 PM
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Astounding lack of engagement with my claims in the comment. 'I'm not dating you' nobody asked, and no engagement with the 'sexually open' = more work for the guy claim
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 06:02 PM
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'Men need to perform for women and look better' mate have you been to a gym lately? It's mostly men! Have you seen guys on dates? They are court jesters out here (whilst the woman sits back and evaluates)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 02:31 PM
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I haven't seen the remotest difference. Dated women from great homes and broken homes. One thing I can say is that women who grow up with a strict sense of wanting to 'do good to others' are particularly unbearable (ironically)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 02:24 PM
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"that is foodie enough to eat the food that I cook" why is every woman a foodie. Literally. Eye rolls from her when I'm eating decently because I'm on a permadiet to maintain shreddedness. "that's sexually open" usually translates to, IME, 'me (a guy) putting in tons of work to try and spice things up in bed, being 'dominant' (ew), with her doing nothing, and me under constant performative pressure' Don't want to pick on you, just see this so much
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 02:17 PM
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I suspect the latter too. Don't meet many women looking for sth serious and the ones I do meet have unreal 'personality' standards. We're talking one minor disagreement about an inconsequential thing and it's WE DON'T SHARE VALUES lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 02:00 PM
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Tired of listening to this. The omitted information in cases like yours is that either the hookups are mostly with girls who are overweight and/or ethnic minority (not that this is bad per se, but being white gives you a huge advantage here), or you had a great base to start with, i.e. 6'4" guy dressing better and getting lean vs. 5'7" guy doing the same, or your location is super favourable in terms of ratios (NYC far better than London, for instance).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 01:52 PM
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I'm shredded, muscular, have a top-tier face, full head of hair, and big dick. However, I'm 5'10" barefoot and perhaps not that physically imposing in terms of bone structure (not referring to the muscle on top of that bone, here). These two 'drawbacks' are enough to make going for slim (white, typically) women in London a chore. I really don't relate to how women like yourself (and others) can describe 'most men' dressing like shit and having beer guts. If they were slim and well-dressed, they …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 01:49 PM
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You don't have to cohabit with your LTR. I would hate that and have actively refused in the past (it caused conflict in two instances). But yes as a guy I feel the same way, about both casual sex and LTRs. So much effort, so little reward; it's incredibly thankless and essentially after a number of years 'looks maxing' by far the largest benefit that has given me is in my work life, not my romantic life.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 01:45 PM
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So what benefit does entering a relationship have on me when all it is doing is adding more work and stress into my life? Honestly this is how I feel as a guy. Doesn't really align with a successful and satisfying dating life
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 01:43 PM
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But also people just get bored. Like after the honeymoon period the new car smell goes away and you've been there and got the t-shirt... I cba to hear about my partner's story about that time she climbed up the side of a volcano for the 1000th time. Plus all the drive to 'spice things up on the bedroom' is on the guy's shoulders, so unless the guy wants to be constantly working (far, far more than her) in the sack, the sex becomes 'stale'
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 01:41 PM
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Amazing comment. And people don’t talk enough about the sense of entitlement you get once you’ve ‘self-improved’ enough (the “what has she done to deserve me?” thing). Say you’re ripped and she’s chubby; she says she ‘wants to lose weight’ but doesn’t even bother to track calories and hit the gym? How can you have a sliver of respect for that person
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 01:56 PM
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Lol if you think less attractive women ‘treat you better’. Hasn’t been my experience at all and I’ve done this on purpose to see if it was true. Perhaps they can tell you aren’t that into them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 01:50 PM
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Imagine the opposite, slightly-above average (i.e. not chubby) dude getting 50+ DMs from women simping a day with super direct attention, and currently fucking a model with higher social status to boot. It sounds crazy because it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 12:55 PM
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"A service worker was nice to me so I must be attractive" go away
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 12:53 PM
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Fantastic comment and username tbh. Loyalty aka actions speaking louder than words (mewling about muh emotional connection)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 12:36 AM
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But if women think there’s a correlation, then the story goes that it still adds to the attractiveness of the guy (until she sees it, that is)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 10:51 PM
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I’m packing way more than 7 inches and women have not given a single shit. So annoying how the story is ‘omg get a big cock and women will flock to you’… nope
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 10:51 PM
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I strongly agree with this
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 05:57 PM
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My first thought! “Can’t get married, I can’t take the time off work.”
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 05:45 PM
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lol at number 6
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 05:38 PM
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Well yeah, I want to give validation and sex and get validation and sex in return. Anything else is disproportionate and feeds resentment on one side or the other
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 02:07 PM
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Good rule of thumb - if there's any doubt, it's a no. Not worth dealing with someone who can't communicate directly and honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 06:14 PM
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Meh I’ve had gfs ripping off my clothes, you can’t go back to lukewarmth
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 12:36 PM
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If it isn’t like being in those movies, jerking off is better.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 10:42 AM
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Even worse she’ll often reject you for asking to initiate. Even worse than that, I’ve had dates where she’ll pre-emptively say she doesn’t like PDA and doesn’t like being touched on dates, will then touch you lots without asking, and then be visibly turned off when you don’t touch her back. Generally speaking, bullet dodged.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 10:40 AM
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Active. By miles
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 03:05 PM
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Liked for the real talk. Sad but true
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 03:04 PM
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When hypercompetition started.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 03:03 PM
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Ah yes cuffing season. I’m seen as a garbage ltr option by all women everywhere so this makes sense. Have a six pack though
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 01:16 AM
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Is this why dating in january is shit for me and i start to do alright about may-ish?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 12:37 AM
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I see male and female celebrities settling hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 02:02 PM
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I live in London, one of the (if not the single) most "hypergamic" places in the world according to red-pillers. Every weekend I'm out I see that most couples the guy is absolutely nowhere; shortish, pudgy, balding, no muscle mass to speak of, dresses like shit, receding jaws. The girl is average too but in many cases she's hotter than he is, percentile-wise. I haven't seen these Masters Of The Universe 'gigachads' with plain women at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 02:02 PM
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The dynamic promoted by apps is optimal for keeping you on there, man or woman, top-tier or bottom-tier in looks. I can create a new account years later and see many of the same people on it, and this is a large city we're talking about
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 01:59 PM
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Yeah I'm on the other side of this, apparently (girls have said *many* times to my face even) I'm a bad long-term prospect. I either get first date sex or not at all, typically. Anyone I fucked later than the first date was because of logistics or because I was too shy to make a move. They put guys into different boxes (and note: you can be Chad and be considered a 'long-term' guy and be put into that box)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 01:51 PM
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Oh yeah I meant LTR when I said 'relationship'. Tbh I'd ghost your siblings, I've done that with 'friends' that turned out to be snakes before
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 09:36 PM
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Most ugly (and tbh average-looking) guys have mandibular, maxillary, or maxillomandibular recession - often with added asymmetry/canting. Losing bodyfat will only reveal an underlying lack of hotness. In two decades bimax for men is going to be rampant, mark my words.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 09:22 PM
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I spilt up with an ex over exactly this. If someone is willing to spread things to a friend group that they were told in confidence by me, my trust immediately evaporates. You can't be in a relationship or friendship with someone like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 09:18 PM
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This is what annoys me most - I never consented to her entire friend group knowing about all my most personal shit. Huge betrayal of trust but it goes on all the time. Same goes for guys who do this
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 07:23 PM
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The analogy of the increasingly hypercompetitive dating world for men and the increasingly hypercompetitive employment world for those without significant capital to invest or ‘connections’ is still pretty strong
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 03:18 PM
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Fair. However, OP tried to provide justification for his JGL rating by appealing to an intersubjective standard of conventional attractiveness. There seems to be lots of conflation ITT
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 03:45 AM
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If you’re talking about conventional attractiveness, there’s a lot of intersubjective agreement, and Jamie Dornan is very conventionally attractive. However, he may not be your cup of tea on an individual, narrowly subjective level
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 03:37 AM
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Christian Grey is a 5.5-6… ok
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 02:37 AM
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Or perhaps its because theyre both tall
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 11:46 PM
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The fact some of the victims were 16-17 didn’t have an impact on the assessment of harrassment, so although that’s an extra unpleasant element to Addy’s behaviour, it’s not relevant to his arrest as their being under 18 wasn’t the reason for it (remember that evidence was given by women older than 18 too). And standard pickup escalation advice is to grab the girl as you kiss her, generally without even asking…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 05:05 PM
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I don’t get it — he was arrested for cold approaching (considered ‘harrassment’ and ‘threatening behaviour’ by his victims really) in the uk, and did so using mainstream day game advice and procedure. Seems to support my point
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 04:55 PM
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My citation didn’t show it was standard day game, I was making a separate claim that it was. Only that Addy’s behaviour (which I was claiming was standard) contributed to the prosecution. Did those other coaches get arrested? No, because harrassment reports weren’t made, and in any case the risk of arrest is low. Maybe because it was fake and the rest of it was fucked up? I’m not convinced most of it was fake — to my knowledge only Tom Torero (who was recently ‘outed’ and sadly took his own life…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 03:53 PM
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You conveniently ignored the part before your quote that includes his more ‘standard’ day gamer behaviour: The trial heard how Ahmed approached two schoolgirls in a secluded lane in Uddingston, South Lanarkshire, in 2016, when they were aged 16 and 17. He called one of them "pretty", tried to get her phone number and made her feel "uncomfortable" but she walked away. In the excerpt you cite ‘grabbing her head as you kiss her’ is a standard part of teaching guys to go for it with makeouts (in fac…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 02:07 PM
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Not really, “stop chatting shit” is an overly aggressive response. Ok here you go: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-50137960 By the way standard day game approaches are pretty intimidating (frontal stops) and the tactics of ‘gentle’ persistence to reach what they call ‘hook point’ is harrassment and above what chuggers do. It’s hard to prosecute but there’s no question that street stops unsettle women
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/22 09:48 PM
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The addy a game arrest was pure fiction, then, huh. Sure, the conviction was quashed on appeal, but the expense and enormous detriment to his life at the time (he was also placed on the sex offender’s register). He wasn’t really doing anything over and above what day game coaches advocated on youtube Also this theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/04/public-sexual-harassment-could-become-criminal-offence-in-england-and-wales By the way you sound very defensive in your replies about this, does cold appr…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 11:03 PM
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Not as much as you think within the midrange. Obviously at the extremes it’s a big boost (above 6’2”) or a big minus (below 5’8”).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 08:15 PM
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‘Controlling’ is usually a psyop on the guy for his having boundaries and saying that maybe perhaps she shouldn’t be hanging out with guy ‘friends’ so much who obviously just want to smash, or divulging every little detail of the sex she has with him to her friend group who scrutinise it with peer review-level analysis. Although most of those men are typically hypocrites anyway and will flirt/cheat with anything that moves
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 08:14 PM
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Evidently not — what I’m saying is that on every metric that apparently ‘matters’ I’m clearly in their top bracket of options, cf. I ‘think I’m doing everything right and can’t figure out what I’m missing’. Meanwhile with certain far more attractive women they are more enthusiastic, so it seems that in my case dating outcomes clearly don’t neatly correlate to looks or status or money or personality disparities, and so on
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 08:10 PM
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Meh, point is if I’m that much hotter than they are they ought to be really up for it (whether ‘it’ is casual or serious). My point is that I think I’m doing everything right but the expected outcome doesn’t occur (a correlation between hotness and interest). This means my read on the dating landscape is at least somewhat incorrect.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 06:37 PM
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Ironically the way to re-humanise women is for men to be straightforward from the off about wanting to fuck them. Then after she does (if she does) they are more likely to get to know each other, pressure-free, as (more) authentic human beings
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 04:00 AM
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‘Post source’ the addy a game guy, the fact that all the London day gamers removed their stuff from the internet immediately afterwards and never put it back up, I know of situations where people have been cautioned by the police for doing it. Also it IS harrassment lol The vetting of dates beforehand may be a better idea. Social circle is sort of out, I don’t want to 💩 where I eat, tbh, and I’m not in academia either. In terms of doing them a favour, yeah, when you’ve worked on your appearance …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 11:42 PM
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Meh, not worth the risk, it just takes one harrassment report (and yes, it’s harrassment). Also, success rates are super low.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 11:33 PM
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You can get arrested for doing cold approach in the UK, so no. Also the pretty lady at the grocery store is not who I’m after, I prefer professional UMC/academic types. Finally, they’re still doing no work lol, my ego isn’t boosted at all 😄
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 11:22 PM
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As a man of relatively high income, kids sound like way too much work. Nothing to do with women’s rights
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 10:44 PM
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Me lol, I will go on dates with girls considerably less conventionally attractive than me and they will put in zero effort, act disinterested, and reject. Like wtf I’m doing you a fucking favour by leaving my flat. Total crapshoot, no correlation between hotness of girl and likelihood of sex happening
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 10:41 PM
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Isn’t the question we really want to answer ‘how much agreement in facial preference is there between subjects?’
/r/BlackPillScience10/01/22 01:23 PM
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Is the right answer. Amount of orgasms =\ ‘best sex’
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 01:13 AM
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