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Learn to love yourself. Start healing your psychological wounds. Go to therapy sooner than you did.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/18 04:28 PM
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Self-help books exist for a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/18 03:41 PM
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This is correct. My husband grew up with two controlling older sisters who treated him like a third girl, and when we met he was a little hesitant to express his masculinity. He’s realized that he actually enjoys a lot of masculine interests as he’s gotten older, and I’ve provided a lot of encouragement for those behaviors!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 03:29 PM
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Disagree. There are times when I’ve encouraged — overtly and otherwise — my husband to take more ownership of his life, and there are times when he’s done the same for me. It doesn’t effect my respect for him. It’s part of our partnership to push each other and make each other better, stronger humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 03:25 PM
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So tattoos = abusive? Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/18 05:32 PM
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So tattoos = abusive? Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/18 05:31 PM
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Absolutely this. My husband and I make a kickass team in life. Any obstacle that we face, we do it together, and are stronger for it. We married young, which is pretty uncommon where I live, but I’ve never regretted it for a second. We grew into adults together, and allowed each other to change over time. I think we started our marriage with absolute trust and honesty, which has been a key factor in our success.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 03:27 PM
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I objectify my husband all day long, and he loves it!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/17 05:45 PM
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Wow, I feel really sorry for whoever you sleep with... I'm a woman, and I orgasm at least once every time I have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/17 07:26 PM
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I think you have to have conviction, strength, and backbone. None of those things mean that you can't fully feel and express your emotions as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/17 07:13 PM
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It's not embarrassing because everyone has had the experience of being moved by something before. It's past of what makes you human. I teach kids, and both boys and girls are sensitive. It's not something to feel ashamed of. If you're cutting that part of yourself off permanently, you're emotionally crippling yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/17 05:22 PM
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I'm in my mid-20s. And have you ever met any female nerds? We exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/17 05:56 PM
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It's irritating to me because it's the same tired, old, myopic view that men somehow "own" video games. In your previous post, you accused women of jumping on the bandwagon of gaming, which just makes me roll my eyes. I have just as much of a right to enjoy games as you do. I have just as much ownership of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/17 05:55 PM
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Can you see how talking about "girls" as a monolith is a little insulting here? I enjoy gaming. I enjoy coding. Those things have absolutely nothing to do with my gender or "bandwagon jumping". They're just hobbies that I'm interested in and have been since I was a kid. I don't make broad, sweeping statements about things that "men" are interested in, because I understand that they are individual human beings with their own brains and interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/17 11:07 AM
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"Most women"? According to whom?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 11:16 PM
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You're right about meditation and yoga. Looking inward and solving inner issues is the only way forward.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 04:06 PM
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Oh man. "Nurturing, peaceful, emotional and group-oriented" sounds like sinking into a soft pastel hell for me. No thank you. I'll be happy to embrace my warlike, aggressive, ambitious, female nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 04:03 PM
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I think being unable to move on from a hurt that was done to you in the past shows a lack of emotional responsibility and emotional maturity. Sitting there and wallowing endlessly in your own pain doesn't do anybody any good, including yourself. It's pretty fucked up not to own your own emotions, and instead turn them into a weapon against other people. So that's why I don't have a whole lot of endless patience for misogynists.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 03:52 PM
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Hmm I disagree about it being easier for girls who don't fit in the correct "gender box". Coming from the perspective of being the smartest girl in my class (r/iamverysmart, I know), it was definitely difficult. I found it hard to socialize with other girls as I didn't have the same interests, and my male peers didn't know what to make of me. I was also unafraid of being assertive, which didn't win me any friends. My male peers had a lot of the same behaviors as I did, but weren't stigmatized or…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/17 07:48 PM
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Yes.... but if a BPer said that 2+2=4 a RPer would deny it just as hard. It's a human thing. We're divided on different "sides" so it's subconsciously considered disloyal to agree with the "enemy". I try hard to avoid this myself in favor of an open discussion, which is more interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/17 06:58 PM
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I think there's a spectrum from "boring and devoid of emotions" to "drama queen". Probably your best bet is to fall somewhere in the middle.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/17 06:50 PM
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It's interesting to me that you say that because of how different social norms are now than they used to be in regards to slavery, murder, rape, etc. Do you think that humans are more or less moral now than they used to be 300, 400, 1000, 2000 years ago? I think we are more moral as a whole. I wouldn't argue, however, that we have evolved past our base instincts. I think they are very much there still, and influence our behavior to a disturbing degree. I think awareness is the cure -- becoming a…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/17 03:51 PM
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I love that you can't argue against my point, so you are stuck making grandiose assumptions about who I am and my agenda 👍🏻 this has been fun. Have a great rest of your Friday morning.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/17 05:02 PM
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Yes, this is a great metaphor.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/17 04:56 PM
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My point is that What have women got against men getting laid and using strategies to get laid? Why do you women care if men self improve and how they do it? Is generally not the problem that women have with the Red Pill. The problem is the other stuff. For example, saying that women should stay out of the workplace.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/17 04:47 PM
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I'm not concerned, believe me. But for you to say that your only argument has to do with sexual success for men is a contradiction of your earlier posts.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/17 04:41 PM
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You've said before that you think that women should "leave the workplace and go back to their husbands", so forgive me if I don't think your only priority is helping men with strategies to get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/17 04:29 PM
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I think it's important to understand where the term "Mansplaining" came from. It comes from this book , entitled "Men Explain Things to Me," written by Rebecca Solnit. The title came from when she was at a party where a male guest was explaining to her... odiously, condescendingly, and in great detail... about a book he had just read. A book that, it turns out, she was the author of, a fact that had conveniently slipped his mind. Just to provide some much needed context.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/17 12:28 PM
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And I'll never be the Queen of England. What is the point of envying someone else's life instead of working to improve your own?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/17 04:14 PM
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Just pointing out your tendency to only listen to yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/17 04:17 PM
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And women don't?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/17 04:03 PM
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I think it's funny that you quoted yourself both times.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/17 04:00 PM
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Are you seriously telling me that every time you leave the house you are the recipient of unwanted female attention? Women throwing themselves at you left and right trying to use you for your money?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 11:43 PM
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That's a ridiculous argument. I have shit to do outside of the house. Like working, buying groceries, and living my life. Do you propose that all women become shut-ins if they don't want to deal with male attention?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 11:32 PM
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And your point is? The title of your post is literally that women marry deadbeats.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 11:27 PM
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If it upsets you so much, maybe you should make a nice, angry song about gold diggers.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 11:22 PM
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lol most of the women I know are married to caring, sensitive, badass men who aren't ~deadbeats~ who abuse them. I think you have the wrong social circle.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 11:20 PM
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Why do women complain about creepy men hitting on them Because it doesn't feel good. It's not fun. It's just gross. When my little sister was 13 she was alone at the library and some fucker in his 40s propositioned her for a threesome. Creepy. Old men hitting on me is creepy. Unwanted. Unasked for. Undesired attention. I truly just want to go through my life at this point as a person in the world, not as a sex object. I could not care less about how random men perceive me and my body.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 01:14 PM
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Lol how cute that you can't handle someone having a happy marriage. Does it cut too deeply into your cynical worldview?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 01:08 PM
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I don't hate weak men. That being said, I moved in social circles for a long time where I had the highest emotional intelligence, so I met a lot of men with ~issues~ that wanted me to help them work through them. I got really tired of acting as a free therapist for people I wasn't romantically interested in. Now if I see a man with those emotional issues I don't really pursue a friendship. I just don't have time for drama and insecurity.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 12:15 PM
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Yes, this. I'm not sure how to explain objectification to someone so obtuse / literal.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/17 05:30 PM
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I'm a woman. As an opera singer, I've spent some time lately thinking about my image, fashion, and style... crafting a personal brand with how I dress is actually something that matters in this industry, so I pay attention to it. How I dress has mattered more or less to me at different times in my life. It's definitely a professional thing to me, not anything to do with sex. That being said, my husband likes it when I dress up, so sometimes I do it for him. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/17 05:27 PM
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The guys in the first pictures are waaaaaaay more attractive and better dressed than the club guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/17 05:22 PM
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I think you're focusing way too intently on the word "object" and not hearing the rest of what I'm saying. You're focusing on the literal meaning of that word to a ridiculous degree and missing the rest of my argument. I never brought in the word inanimate either. Let's call it "dehumanizing" instead. Maybe that's an easier word for you to understand, and the connotation is close. When you are only interested in using a person for sexual pleasure, especially a person you don't know, you are dehu…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/17 03:33 AM
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My parents are still together, as are all of 3 of my aunts and their husbands. All have been together for 25+ years. Their relationships are based on mutual respect and love. Blue pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 08:48 PM
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You're right, of course. The man piggishly commenting on my face and body ignoring everything else I have to say really cared a great deal about my personality and interests and what I had to say. How foolish of me. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 06:46 PM
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To be honest, I would never have sex with a man that was only interested in my body. Plenty have tried, and I've never been interested. I've had sex with people who are interesting to me, and who are interested in me on a deeper level. It's possible I'm unique in this aspect, but I don't think so.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 06:37 PM
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Thanks for proving my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 06:31 PM
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Right, so you were pressured into it, but you weren't forced. This is a common misconception a lot of western women have. Don't be pedantic. If you'll recall, I said that "we" were forced into awkward small talk. That means both of us, by the virtue of the social situation. He made an effort to get to know me. He made it clear that he was very attracted physically, but that he understood that I had a lot of other aspects and attributes as a human being. He was interested in my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 06:30 PM
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Objects. Don't. Talk. You're not understanding the situation. He didn't care if I was capable of speech or not. He didn't care what I had to say. All he cared about was that I had a pair of tits and an ass. That's objectification.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 06:27 PM
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Fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 06:07 PM
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You're not considering their feelings because you don't think they matter, because you mentally conceive of them as an object, not a person.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 06:06 PM
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"How were you forced into this? You were getting paid since you said its for work right?" I'm an opera singer, and he's a wealthy donor for the company I was working for. Just part of the job, unfortunately. Make waves about it and he withdraws his cash. As for the second, I don't give a shit how handsome you are. If you make a comment about my ass, I will probably throw a drink in your face. I've met plenty of attractive men who think they're the shit. It's still just as gross. The most attract…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 06:04 PM
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I think counterexamples to your point should matter to you, because theoretically they are improving your model of how the world operates. It creates a more complete picture.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 05:53 PM
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As a younger person, I can say one thing that you might not be taking into account: religion. I was raised in an evangelical church with strict (unstated) gender roles for how women and men were supposed to act. Perhaps it's rare, but it does happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 05:51 PM
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I'll give you an example. I was having a conversation with an old man that I had to be polite to for my job. No possible sexual interest from me. He's 50+ years on me. Since we were forced into awkward small talk, I wanted to talk about interesting things, like psychology, current events, technology, etc. He was only interested in taking about my physical appearance, my romantic life, and leering at me. He saw me as an object for sex. Not a person.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 05:42 PM
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I'm not particularly interested in arguing with any of that with you because it seems tedious, and not connected to my original point. I just wanted to point out that your analogy of "all animals are equal" was a poor one in this situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 05:37 PM
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I think RPers are very low on empathy for women's experiences, because they don't view women as people in the same way as they view men. As much as they would deny it, i just think it's the truth. I wonder if this gap in historical perspective and knowledge comes from poor education. I doubt any of them have read "Story of an hour" or Ibsen's "Doll House" or "Feminine Mystique" or even "Stepford Wives" or "The Handmaid's Tale", perspectives about how the reality of how it feels to be a woman wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 05:32 PM
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There can be degrees of things, you know. Oppression isn't black and white. You can be more or less oppressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 05:16 PM
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Agreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 05:02 PM
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Here's how I see it. You use an object to get something you want. You don't ask your toaster how it feels about making your bread into toast. You just do it. When men objectify women, it's similar. You want to use her to gratify your own needs. You don't give a fuck about what she wants. You see her as an object to use to get what you want, which is sex. This is how men see sex robots. This is why Stepford wives was a thing. Seeing others as human means recognizing their complexity and individua…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 01:09 PM
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There's a middle ground between "emotionally repressed" and "unable to control your emotions." Part of being a mature, adult human is recognizing and owning what you're feeling. It's sexy when a person, man or woman, is able to admit that they are insecure about something but are able to move past it or otherwise deal with it. What's less sexy is drowning in your emotions and being unable to cope with them, which includes turning them off completely. That makes your partner feel like they need t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 06:05 AM
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This is all so true. I also think that if you're layering all of these "alpha" characteristics on top of yourself and they don't come from within first, it's not going to work. In other words, I think TRP encourages people to act a certain way even when it's not natural or innate for them. Doing an "act" when on the inside you're insecure is never going to work. Everyone can pick up on the incongruity between how you're behaving and how you really feel. It's awkward.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 02:10 AM
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This wins the medal for Most Unbelievably Arrogant Thing I've Seen On The Internet Today. Congrats -- there were a lot of contenders, but you came in first!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 02:03 AM
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Boulder, Colorado. Home of sorority girls and beautiful people galore. I see girls dressed like that when they go out to party. Never to the fucking grocery store.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 01:30 AM
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The thought of a woman dressed like that at the grocery store makes me chortle, it's so disconnected from reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 08:21 PM
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If the problem is that you're perseverating about physical appearance, then I think you should cut things out of your life that are making you focus on it. The more you give energy to the thought that you can only love and open up to a beautiful woman, the more true it will be. The irony of this whole situation is that if you actually did get in a relationship with a ~9 or a 10~, you would find that they have flaws and are just human beings like everyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 04:37 PM
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Chad is a dreeeeeam your heaaaart makes
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 04:27 PM
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"TRP overwhelmingly agrees with this. They essentially say the majority of men are sexually invisible to women, and if they try to approach women they illicit creepy responses. TRP might not like this, but they very much understand this." You're realllly missing the "at a young age" part of her comment. I remember being creeped on by men in their 30s and 40s even before I hit puberty, before I had any sort of sexual desires at all let alone was the legal age of consent. That sort of attention wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 04:21 PM
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I'm a little confused why you think that all BPers automatically support Bill Clinton?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 04:01 PM
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Well that's an interesting perspective. How do you explain women who are childfree by choice, and yet have tons of sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/17 03:33 PM
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Then what questions is TRP interested in?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 11:59 PM
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Oh, thanks for that link. That's the kind of guy I'm attracted to -- moody, lots of emotional depth. 😍😍
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 11:28 PM
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I think when TRP is used as a tool for self-improvement it can be a good thing. I love strong people who run their own lives with panache and confidence, and I know a lot of of TRP is about that. I read about self-improvement a lot, actually, and I'm constantly working on being a better human being myself. No problems there. I think that when TRP is used as a model to try and understand what women are thinking and feeling it fails.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 11:23 PM
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What things in particular? How to act? How to appear more attractive? Why women act the way we do? How to have relationships with other people? How to have a good relationship with yourself? I would say TRP does okay on some of those things and abysmally on others.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 11:16 PM
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The problem as I see it is that RPers are viewing the world in an overly biased way. They're applying a hazy filter of frustration, anger, and pain to human behavior and analyzing everything through that lens. It's not "women and men behave this way," it's "women are fucking stupid whores, all women are the same, all women will cheat on you with Chad," and so on and so on. To me, most RPers come across as extremely emotional, not rational at all. They're not impartial observers building a model …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 08:06 PM
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If someone who I didn't know was "guiding me by the hand" I would probably punch them in the face.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 06:27 AM
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"There isn't a single woman in a relationship, save for the most abused and frightened ones, that isn't trying to get a psychological one-up on their man to whatever degree." I think if you're going to make a statement like that, you need some evidence. That is so far from true in my relationship and so many relationships I see around me. It sounds so paranoid to me. I've been in a psychologically damaging relationship before. It took me a long time to be able to trust other humans again. This s…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/17 05:29 PM
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It seems so obvious to me that women can also be shitty people that it's not really even worth mentioning? Human beings can be shitty sometimes. It's just one of those things that happens irrespective of gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/17 05:21 PM
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Yes, this exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/17 05:14 PM
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Okay, so obviously looks matter to a certain degree. I agree. But I think most of the actors I've posted have more in common with the guy on the left than the guy on the right, as far as their facial aesthetics ONLY. I really don't think any of them have that classic lantern jaw, athletic thing going on as in the picture the OP posted. That's not the only facial type that is attractive. I just roll my eyes when TRPers claim that you're fucked completely if you don't look like the guy on the righ…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/17 12:50 AM
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Can you give me an example of a clip or a movie or something where either of them are demonstrating a lot of charisma? Most of the films I've seen with Steve Buscemi he's playing really, really odd, sometimes off-putting characters.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/17 12:16 AM
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This is a good point. I understand and agree that height is important. Charisma can still make up for it though.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 11:49 PM
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Autism?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 10:24 PM
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https://youtu.be/TdphtMWjies Read the comments. They have absolutely NOTHING to do with his face. Yes, it's the accent, and his height, and the way he holds himself. He became popular because of his portrayal of Sherlock Holmes. I've heard time and time again from women that they ONLY find him sexy as Sherlock, not as himself. Why do you think that is? I also think we're talking about different things when it comes to charm that you're missing when it comes to Cumberbatch, Adam Driver, etc. For …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 10:15 PM
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We agree that Cumberbatch is hot. But he's not hot because of his facial structure. Dude kinda looks like a lizard. He's hot because of his charisma, his voice, his presence. His FACE is not hot. Everything else about him is incredibly sexy. Did you see my comment about Adam Driver? Same thing. Pete Holmes is self-deprecating, like many comedians. That works great for his career, and probably for him as a person, but it's definitely not the kind of magnetic charisma I'm talking about. Also, I do…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 07:37 PM
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Bwahaha. He works it though.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 07:06 PM
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Lol if you can't see the similarity between his face and a foot I can't help you. What do you want me to do, survey random people on the street about the similarity between his face and a foot? I know many people online and in person who would agree with me, not that it proves anything. But, considering I'm the one with a vagina who is attracted to men, I would think that my opinion would carry a little more weight here.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 06:57 PM
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Very debatable, but why should that matter? The point is that Cumberbatch despite his ~facial ratios~ could still sleep with many, many women, and he has an enormous, very devoted, occasionally obsessive female following (google Cumberbitches). The point is that facial structure is just one part of what makes a man attractive. Probably not even the most important. Charisma matters. It sucks people in like gravity. Shouldn't this be good news, since charisma is more changeable than facial structu…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 06:52 PM
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Obviously I don't agree. I think anyone can be abusive, depending on the level of pain they are in and how much damage they want to inflict. It's a human characteristic not related to gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 06:44 PM
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Let's do another one. How about Adam Driver? I think he's really really sexy. Not due to his ~bone structure~ or his jawline. Objectively, he's a funny looking dude. He's sexy because of how he moves and speaks, with command, dignity, and charisma. This focus on facial aesthetics is beyond the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 06:34 PM
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http://cheezburger.com/5516939520
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 06:29 PM
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Coming from a place of compassion. It sounds like you have been deeply wounded and still haven't healed from it, and it's affecting your relationships still. It's not the best and most heathy way to live your life, and I think you should probably get some help so you can move forward.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 06:28 PM
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And yet society marches on! We must live in very different places and move in very different circles. I know so many people who are happily married with beautiful families. I know so many fulfilled and content human beings who are enjoying their lives. I wonder where your pessimism comes from.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 06:26 PM
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lol seriously? There were memes that I read for years about how his face looks like a foot. EDIT: and yet he has a huge female following. Not only that, but he his face looks to me to be about the same level of physical attractiveness -- charisma aside -- from the guy up there on the left.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 06:18 PM
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When you're having a conversation in your head with yourself, you're not really listening. When you're focused on your next move, you're not paying attention to your partner and picking up thejr subconsious cues. When you're anxious or concerned about how you're appearing to other people, you're not projecting sexuality. Those sentences describe most men I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 06:17 PM
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Well, I'm an out-there crazy hippie type, so I'd like to think that given ample freedom, security, and time, people would spend it working on themselves. Exploring their own consciousness and subconscious. Stretching the limits of what their brain and bodies are capable of. Meditating. Thinking about philosophy. Finding a way to be fulfilled. I'd like to think that, without any financial pressures, interpersonal and romantic relationships could become even deeper and more profound. If material t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 06:13 PM
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Haha his face isn't TERRIBLE, but it's not the face TRPers think of when they think of Chad!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 05:13 PM
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That's awesome, and sounds like a great life for you. You should totally go for it. I would love it if my husband would do all those things if he didn't have to work. I really would make an atrocious housewife. But I'm good at making money, and getting better at it all the time!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 05:09 PM
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Haha, touché.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 06:00 AM
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Dude, look at Benedict Cumberbatch, or Matt Smith. Terrible faces, lots of charisma. The guy on the left isn't fucked if he develops some personality and success.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 05:58 AM
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Okay. If a woman buys the house, a man should have to do all the chores. CMV
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 01:39 AM
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A lot of this just sounds like fear talking.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 01:38 AM
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"I've been building up this idea over time that gets constantly validated that this "living in the moment" thing is just the kind of thing vapid people say to justify how shallow they are." Then we're talking about different things. There's a difference between good contemplation and bad overthinking, just like there's a difference between half-assed, lazy lack of planning and living in your senses. Let me describe the person with the most sex appeal I knew. When he looked at me, I knew he was s…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 01:35 AM
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Sure. It's about being present with your senses and noticing what's around you. Not living your life with an ever-present monologue in your brain, as that takes you away from the moment. In other words, truly noticing the smell, sight, taste, and feel of different places. Taking everything in. Connecting with your body. It's hard to describe.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/17 07:54 PM
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Sure. You have to be able to take a step back and plan strategically. But you miss out on a whole lot of life if you are always detached.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/17 05:26 PM
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🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/17 05:22 PM
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Essentially, someone who has given up. Someone who doesn't think they have the strength to handle what life throws at them. Someone who, when they come across an obstacle, sees it as insurmountable rather than an interesting challenge.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/17 05:20 PM
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I'm a woman. To me, sex appeal is tied to charisma, which is connected to how someone relates to their body. Actors, athletes, sometimes musicians have this. They're rooted in their bodies and their senses, and fully inhabit the present moment. It's also about bringing inner strength outward. Someone can have all the muscles they want, but if they don't have that sense of INNER dignity, power, and magnetism, they're just not that interesting to me. I think this is where RPers get confused with t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/17 04:45 PM
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Here's the thing. I'm married now. I'm off the market. I still get an irritating amount of undesired, unasked for male attention. Even when I was ON the market, I still didn't give a single shit what anyone thought of my body. I just simply did not care if random strangers thought I was attractive. It's meaningless to me. Why would I care if random people I don't give a shit about liked my body? It feels invasive and disgusting. When I walk around in the world it's to GET somewhere and DO someth…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/17 04:07 PM
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Yes, this corresponds very well with my own experience. I could be described as a ~pretty girl~, and what I've found is that some people do find it threatening. It makes it easier to charm some people, but creates a hurdle to overcome in other relationships. I find that many people have already decided that they know who I am before having a single conversation with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 05:36 PM
2

In this scenario, I view myself as Imperator Furiosa....
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 05:29 PM
2

You seriously think that men yelling random compliments at random women on the street is how people meet each other?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 12:27 AM
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I really don't think that's any way to live your life. Living for resentment? Wow. I feel really sad for you and the path you must have taken to end up here.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 08:56 PM
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It's fascinating to me that you view your masculinity only in regards to women. It's like you can't feel like you are "masculine enough" without a woman to control or subjugate. To me, masculinity correlates with strength. Strength is being self-contained enough to not need to wield power over another person simply for the purpose of stroking your own ego. To need another person like that is weak, weak, weak.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 05:21 PM
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It's fascinating to me that you view your masculinity only in regards to women. It's like you can't feel like you are "masculine enough" without a woman to control or subjugate. To me, masculinity correlates with strength. Strength is being self-contained enough to not need to wield power over another person simply for the purpose of stroking your own ego. To need another person like that is weak, weak, weak.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 05:20 PM
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It's fascinating to me that you view your masculinity only in regards to women. It's like you can't feel like you are "masculine enough" without a woman to control or subjugate. To me, masculinity correlates with strength. Strength is being self-contained enough to not need to wield power over another person simply for the purpose of stroking your own ego. To need another person like that is weak, weak, weak.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 05:20 PM
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Seconded.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 05:04 PM
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"If you're sweating on the treadmill with your headphones on, and I want to approach you, your annoyance is your problem, not mine. That's the society we live in." That's incredibly entitled. Why do you think you are owed a woman's time or her conversation? I can't tell you how irritating it is to be going through your life sending clear fuck off don't talk to me vibes that aren't picked up upon.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 03:57 PM
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Sure, some women are childlike. So are some men. I know plenty of loser-ish men in their 20s who are unemployed and live in their parents' basement. I'd say that's pretty childish compared to the many successful women doctors, lawyers, professors and scientists I know. If you cherry-pick examples and over generalize you can prove almost anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 02:55 PM
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What is your evidence? Rather hard to change your view when you present nothing to support it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/17 08:50 PM
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I'm totally with you. Personal magnetism and charisma is faaaaaar more important to me than body type.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/17 09:17 PM
2

Franco Corelli: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zzb9uwfgD1w Leonard Nimoy as Spock
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 02:45 AM
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Trent is just amazingly sexy. Passion, talent, and ANGST FOR DAYS.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 02:42 AM
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Oh, you have good taste.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 02:41 AM
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Beauty doesn't last forever. Wealth = power, so obviously wealth.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/17 04:06 AM
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By choosing a perspective on the world that's not nihilistic. I think that your mindset shapes your everyday experience. If I choose to wake up in the morning to live a life filled with purpose and meaning and choose not to get bogged down in pointless existential dread, then I'm going to feel much better. Also, serving others.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/17 11:07 AM
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I think they hate human beings. Themselves, men, women... they are full on misanthropes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/17 05:57 AM
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I mean, keep in mind that "hot" is a social concept just as much as a biological one.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/17 09:08 AM
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Why can't you accept that "women" are not a monolith and like different things, even as multiple women are telling you that's the case? This is a classic example of black and white thinking. It's like you feel threatened by allowing for variety & grey areas in human behavior. I'm honestly so curious as to why that is.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 06:47 PM
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Sorry your mom is like that. I think you probably overestimate how many women are like that due to your experience growing up. My parents had a healthy relationship where they talked things out, and I never saw my mother use those kind of tactics because she was a grown woman with too much shit to do to play mind games.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 12:10 PM
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Sorry your mom is like that. I think you probably overestimate how many women are like that due to your experience growing up. My parents had a healthy relationship where they talked things out, and I never saw my mother use those kind of tactics because she was a grown woman with too much shit to do to play mind games.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 12:10 PM
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Sorry your mom is like that. I think you probably overestimate how many women are like that due to your experience growing up. My parents had a healthy relationship where they talked things out, and I never saw my mother use those kind of tactics because she was a grown woman with too much shit to do to play mind games.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 12:10 PM
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Sorry your mom is like that. I think you probably overestimate how many women are like that due to your experience growing up. My parents had a healthy relationship where they talked things out, and I never saw my mother use those kind of tactics because she was a grown woman with too much shit to do to play mind games.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 12:10 PM
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Sorry your mom is like that. I think you probably overestimate how many women are like that due to your experience growing up. My parents had a healthy relationship where they talked things out, and I never saw my mother use those kind of tactics because she was a grown woman with too much shit to do to play mind games.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 12:10 PM
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Sorry your mom is like that. I think you probably overestimate how many women are like that due to your experience growing up. My parents had a healthy relationship where they talked things out, and I never saw my mother use those kind of tactics because she was a grown woman with too much shit to do to play mind games.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 12:10 PM
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Sorry your mom is like that. I think you probably overestimate how many women are like that due to your experience growing up. My parents had a healthy relationship where they talked things out, and I never saw my mother use those kind of tactics because she was a grown woman with too much shit to do to play mind games.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 12:10 PM
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Sorry your mom is like that. I think you probably overestimate how many women are like that due to your experience growing up. My parents had a healthy relationship where they talked things out, and I never saw my mother use those kind of tactics because she was a grown woman with too much shit to do to play mind games.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 12:10 PM
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Sorry your mom is like that. I think you probably overestimate how many women are like that due to your experience growing up. My parents had a healthy relationship where they talked things out, and I never saw my mother use those kind of tactics because she was a grown woman with too much shit to do to play mind games.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 12:10 PM
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I don't think it requires a great degree of social intelligence to be aware of the vibe you're emanating and go change it. Probably just an average amount. I'd also argue that being able to do so is something I've learned, not something innate.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 11:57 AM
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Great! Now just replace "woman" with "man" and you've got it: "A younger man is much better able to be moulded by his woman, give into her better, 'unionize' better, become her better."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 06:01 AM
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Well, just based on personal experience ~as an attractive young female~, if I put out a fuck-off vibe I don't get nearly as much attention. If I give out a more charming, open vibe, then I get more attention. Simple. This theory doesn't take into account body language and how people hold themselves, which accounts for a significant part of communication.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 05:57 AM
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TBP is just pointing out the absurd seriousness with which RPers take dating, love, and sex. It's just unintentional comedy at its finest to take something intuitive and human and overanalyze it to the point that every little thing is MOAR PROOF!!1! AWALT!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 05:52 AM
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I think it's about intuition. I'm a sort of strange, intense, strong-willed person once you get to know me, but I check the boxes for "feminine" in some men's minds because I have long blonde hair and wear dresses. You can tell when someone isn't really seeing who you are and instead imagining who they want you to be. It's something in the way they look at you.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/17 05:42 PM
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Nah. My husband was a twig when we met.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/17 02:23 AM
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I assume that if you are having sex in order to be The Most Alpha Of Them All (tm), then that's probably all you're thinking about during sex. I think a lot of men who need to go through their lives fretting about their level of masculinity are probably worried about whether they are masculine enough in the bedroom, which prevents them from experiencing anything else but a sort of masturbatory stroking of their own ego.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/17 02:19 AM
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Sure, I'm aware that men like that are out there. I just think they are far more likely to trap women in domestic violence and abuse than they are to attack a random woman walking down the street "like an antelope on the savannah."
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/17 02:14 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yL-DOyxAA9c Franco Corelli is Chad for me. Tall, dark, EMOTIONAL, passionate, charismatic, fucking talented, holds himself like he's a lion. Another good one is Trent Reznor. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b08mMobyjpg The "all-American" look does nothing for me. Makes me want to throw up in my mouth, to be honest. I don't think I could ever have anything in common with a man like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/17 02:06 AM
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Well, I assume that the men in my life are not constantly trying to rape me? Because that would be an insane way to live? Your core hypothesis is that men... everywhere... are just waiting for an excuse to harm women, and that this fear of being harmed profoundly effects women's lives. This is false. The majority of men I know are fathers, brothers, and sons with strong ethics and moral compasses. Men with empathy and humanity who would never rape a woman. We have evolved as a culture beyond the…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/17 01:58 AM
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Nah, not all women DO want to be dominated. The fact that you think they do shows your naïveté and lack of experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/17 11:30 PM
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"Of course, but why not spend his money instead if you can?" Ok. Why not marry a wealthy woman and spend her money instead if you can?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/17 11:23 PM
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;) how cute that you think that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/17 05:54 PM
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This arrogance is just astounding. You know nothing about her or her job or her company culture. Completely irrational on your part.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 09:32 PM
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Hahaha
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 09:31 PM
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Red Pill dating advice is overly reductive regarding complex human relationships, which is why you get BPers trying to add nuance to the RP very black and white view of the world. I know many men want to hear that relationships are simple. Do x and you will be rewarded with z. This exact system and procedure is The One True Answer. Systems, categories, logic, simplicity. Binary. The problem is that life isn't really like that. Humans aren't like that. Attractiveness isn't like that. What works f…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 09:18 PM
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??? What else do you think it would be if not the patriarchy? Where do you think this socialization comes from?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 09:08 PM
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There are so many, but the biggest one is how hugely important their sex lives appears to be to RPers. My husband and I have a great, very active sex life, but on my list of priorities and things that I think about daily sex is definitely not in the top 5. Maybe not even in the top 10. My existence doesn't revolve around satisfying my libido. I'm sure he would say the same thing. I think probably most well-adjusted people feel the same... there's too much shit to do in life to sit there and obse…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 02:13 PM
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You're asking why it's bad for YOU, right? You probably don't care about society at large based on your post. How about this. If misogyny is irrelevant to success, then why not choose not to be misogynistic? If it doesn't effect your "success" one way or another, why not choose the less harmful option? Not only that, but prejudice in a situation can prevent you from making a rational, objective decision when you are dealing with other people. If you hate women, you will always have a huge blind …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 02:00 PM
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Oh, I'd definitely prefer to make the money. Why on earth would I want a man to make my money for me when I can make it myself? It's literally never occurred to me. If I sponged off of another person's paycheck I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be able to look myself in the mirror.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 05:09 AM
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this thread is really interesting from the pov of a female classical musician. Musicians / artists are generally very emotional, intense people with difficult, rollercoaster-y careers, and I'm surprised that RPers would be attracted to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 04:58 AM
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There's such a difference between dominance and confidence. The most powerful man I ever met wanted to share power with me, not wield it over me. It was intoxicating. RPers seem to want power OVER women, probably because of how insecure they are. That's not confidence or dominance... just pathetic. I feel confident that I would win any sort of power struggle within a relationship. I'm far more interested in pooling our resources to dominate TOGETHER.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 04:50 AM
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Lol... if the dolls are going to be that smart, why on earth would they want to fuck you?
/r/MGTOW24/02/17 07:37 PM
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I'm not sure where you're from or where you've been looking, but what you might be missing is looking for a strong woman. A woman who doesn't feel like she needs a man to protect her because she has her own inner strength.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/17 06:17 PM
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Oh, this explanation is perfect.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/17 05:45 PM
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"He once took the air out of the tires in their truck to stop her from leaving. " Um, holy shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/17 06:48 PM
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Yeah, I definitely take a more social constructionist view, mostly due to my own experiences. Do you take a more essentialist view? Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/17 05:53 PM
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Yeah, there's negative biases about a lot of characteristics. So we should just give up working on it and allow others to stereotype us however they please? I don't think that's an equitable solution. I'm working on my own biases all the time. To me, that's what being a responsible humanist in the 21st century means. It's not so easy to disregard the negative opinions of others when they hold systemic power over you. Maybe you mean that you shouldn't look for validation from other people, in whi…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/17 05:51 PM
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"Then come up with something that will help a hypothetical unlovable person. Not cliche things that you came up with previously, that are known to consistently never work - come up with something that works. You can't." Those things aren't cliches. They're tools that I use to help me survive my life, without which I would be a depressed, non-functional mess. Just so you know. I'm sorry self-help books didn't help you. They sure as shit helped me. Yoga helped me live in my body and feel my emotio…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/17 05:48 PM
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"You were bullied. Incels are bullied. It's pretty easy to overcome something that you don't suffer from on a daily basis as compared to something is shoved in your face everywhere you go and from which you literally have no recourse at all." Can you explain to me how your inceldom is shoved in your face everywhere you go? Is it that you feel lonely when you see others?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/17 05:35 PM
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Any model that's different from how you think. To be fair, I dont know you. I don't know how you treat women or what you think we think. But we're not angels or devils; we're just human beings who think like humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/17 05:34 PM
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It was just an example. I genuinely don't think you're aware of how crazy you sound. Are you aware of how crazy you sound?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/17 05:32 PM
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"I don't really see how the women are being used for the man's pleasure. She's getting taken to pound town by a huge dick, if the women can't enjoy that there's something really wrong with their anatomy and biology." Yeah. Sometimes a giant cock fucking hurts. Probably for most women, with the exception of a fraction of porn stars. Are you not aware that women can literally be raped to death? I know you don't give a shit about women, but you are just incredibly ignorant. "women want sexually agg…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/17 05:30 PM
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"I'm trolling? Why do you feel that way?" Because your views are so extreme. And I just feel bad for you that you really feel like the world is so bleak. Actually, you sort of remind me of Raskolnikov in Dostoyevsky's "Crime and Punishment." Maybe you should read it. It might give you a different perspective on your own nihilism.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/17 05:26 PM
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"I am? If I was obsessed with sex shouldn't I be chasing women or paying for sex?" You're obsessed with porn, which is a visual depiction of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/17 05:22 PM
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"Funny how that, ''guys gotta chase women, that's nature'' disappears when the chicks are more wet than Noah at the great flood onset when they see 10/10 men walking around." Are you in those women's bodies? How do you know what they're feeling? You don't. You're just speculating.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/17 05:22 PM
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I promise you very few women older than 15 or 16 are interested at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/17 04:26 AM
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Ok, I'll bite. Take a look at this article from Time: "Overt displays of sexism of the bottom-pinching variety are largely passé in the American workplace. What remains, unfortunately, is a set of subtler and more ingrained cognitive biases deeply rooted in our evolutionary and cultural past. Getting rid of them will require an honest reckoning with the inalienable fact that humans are primed to make implicit errors in perception and even good people who actively eschew bias may nonetheless harb…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/17 09:47 PM
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I married the man I lost my virginity to. He lost his virginity to me as well, at the age of 22. I don't want to have sex with anyone other than him. Ever. I just don't. I don't really talk about it with a lot of people because I feel like their eyes bulge out of their sockets.... lol. I'm not a religious conservative, which unfortunately is what a lot of them immediately assume. I just had different desires and hooking up with random people didn't appeal to me. I feel sexually liberated. I have…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/17 09:36 PM
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Ok, if you're talking about online dating that's somewhat different. But personally, it seems like many men feel entitled to a woman's time and attention no matter what the circumstances are. If a woman is actively searching for sex or a relationship that's different. But most women... in their daily lives... are just going through their routine as people not concerned with sex or relationships or their appearance. Whereas it seems to me like some men are constantly prowling for women, thinking …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/17 08:42 PM
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I'm truly not certain. Maybe it's because they feel like conventionally attractive women hold some sort power over them, and so they deflect in an attempt to regain some of their own power.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/17 04:43 AM
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"I am prone to believe these men are perhaps trying to represent their available options in an exaggerated way, or are perhaps more finicky than the typical man, including ones that have access to good looking women." I think it's the latter, and it's sort of hilarious.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/17 04:26 AM
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I like you :)
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/17 03:48 AM
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Yep.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/17 03:47 AM
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Are we taking an average in the USA? In English speaking countries? In the western world? I feel like the "average man" is going to be very different & have different experiences in Silicon Valley, in New York, and in the rural South.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/17 03:24 AM
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Reading this just makes me glad about the compromise my husband and I have found. We are self-employed and own our townhome, which we rent out when we travel. We're crazy, alternative artist-y people who have been lucky enough to be able to take risks in our lives. Neither one of us wanted to die at the age of 25 and no longer experience new things... lol. I honestly know plenty of people like us. You just gotta look on the fringe where the weirdos are.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/17 03:21 AM
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Sure. Imagine if Mr Burns had a happy home life AND was rich. There would be no contrast between him and Homer. To "balance the scales" for the characters so that neither of them had too much power in the story, the writers created that contrast between them. I understand what you're saying, and it absolutely is being used as an insult. I just think it's an insult against the rich rather than against single men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/17 09:01 PM
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Wow, why have I never thought of this before? I'm going to go call rape on EVERYONE! Clearly this will solve ALL of my problems no matter what they are! Hey you, female boss, you're raping me! Hey you other female in my friend group that I don't like you're also raping me! Hey you person that cut me off in traffic! Raaaaaape! /s
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/17 08:55 PM
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Or maybe your solution is for women to go out and fuck some random dude if they're feeling lonely. Newsflash for you: emotionally numb, meaningless sex with men that don't give a shit about them does nothing to cure loneliness for women. If anything, it can make women feel lonelier than before.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/17 08:50 PM
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By that same logic, men are also alone by choice and can also remedy the condition. Do you think that depression and social anxiety only exist for men??
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/17 08:46 PM
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Looking at nearly all of these examples, there's a huge class difference between the "family man" and the bachelor. Mr Burns isn't mocked because he's unmarried. He's mocked because he takes advantage of his workers and lacks empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/17 07:59 PM
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Sure. How does a man determine that for himself? Is it mutable, or does it stay the same from week to week, from year to year? Does it change if he's in a relationship or single?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/17 07:53 PM
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I agree with that. I'm curious as to the perception that feminism "ruined" shared values for men and womenS
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/17 07:52 PM
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How do you determine what is "sufficient" for each man? Biology? Psychological desire?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/17 07:49 PM
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"Sex is essential to men's well being." Show me some science or some facts to back this up, please.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/17 07:45 PM
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"men and women need to share VALUES, which feminism has basically negated for a vast swaths of women" Could you elaborate on this a little more?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/17 07:37 PM
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"They would expect him to waltz in, dazzle her, give her huge endorphin rushes as the thrill of submitting to a masculine man brings her new found joy in life. And yet these expectations are considered standards that men must live up to or else." Whose expectations are these? Certainly not mine. As a feminist, I honestly take umbrage with that narrative. I've never expected that from my husband. We're partners. He's not a prince. I'm not a fucktoy. We're just human beings, not archetypes.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/17 07:19 PM
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Ok sure. But most women aren't interested in being whores.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/17 07:13 PM
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"having to sit around and sift through hundreds of suitors and applicants for their attention" ?? In what scenario does this happen? It's more like trying desperately to avoid the 5 - 6 mouthbreathers who openly leer at you while just trying to hold down a job, pay the pills, and build your career.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/17 07:11 PM
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Wow. People need to butt the hell out of each others' lives, IMO. That's ridiculous. Gossip is so toxic and immature.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/17 07:05 PM
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I'd argue that the portrayal of Steve Carrell in 40 year old virgin is more sympathetic than unsympathetic. There's comedy, sure, but there's a lot of heart too.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/17 07:03 PM
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"Could it be because they have nowhere to turn for help, no recourse from their own negative feelings or the beatdowns they receive from others?" Go to a therapist. Read self-help books. Do yoga. Journal. Pray. Mediate. Find the source of your self-loathing and stamp it out. Your mind is what makes you unhappy, not your circumstances. Rewire your neural circuitry. Play an instrument. Make some art. Learn to breathe. Go take a walk. Prioritize your own mental health. I promise you that getting la…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/17 07:00 PM
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Many people go through difficult, traumatic experiences and learn to lift themselves up and have compassion for other people who are suffering instead of lashing out at everyone and being angry forever. I'm a neuroatypical woman who was bullied my entire childhood. I don't carry hatred with me all the time. It took me a long time, but I got over it and am now grateful that my compassion for other people who are suffering has deepened. I don't see a lot of that in the incel community. I don't see…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/17 06:47 PM
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I'm not sure about that. What's more weak and pathetic? Complaining on the internet about your personal problems or going out and living your life?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/17 06:43 PM
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I agree. So the next step is fixing mindset, attitude, confidence, charisma.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/17 06:41 PM
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"if only because truly lonely women are practically non-existent." Calling bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/17 06:39 PM
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"A single man who lives alone and people know he gets no sex is heavily stigmatized." I mean, I believe that this is your experience but it's just so contrary to what my experience has been like. I don't talk to anyone about my sex life and I couldn't care less what any of my friends' sex lives are like, much less some random single man? I wouldn't judge someone like that at all. I would think it was sad if they were lonely, but I wouldn't think they were a "loser" or presume automatically that …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/17 06:39 PM
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I totally believe you that you feel that you feel social pressure towards men being old and single -- it's just interesting because I don't really perceive that culturally. I'm curious if you could give some examples of that. In the example you shared about the family man vs the wealthier man, I totally see that as more of an example of clashing social classes. The family man has more middle-class values compared to the bachelor.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/17 06:36 PM
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Well, not with that attitude! 😝
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/17 04:34 PM
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Having that view of yourself is absolutely warped, and sad. Look, I'm a woman on the autism spectrum and I was bullied consistently growing up. I GET it. But you have to find your own healing apart from another person before you are ready for a deep relationship with another human. I feel like trying to understand the entire world, philosophy, and your own self-worth entirely through the lens of sexual dynamics is what's fucked-up. It's like the entire world is out there and incels are fixated o…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/17 04:33 PM
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Keep in mind that I'm speaking generally based on what I've observed, not personally. Your mental model of how a woman thinks and reacts to situations is incorrect. Women are just human beings. That's it. We want the same things you want: love, respect, power, friendship... the drive to "understand" women as if we're completely foreign beings is off-putting. We're not angels, we're not devils. Just.... people.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/17 04:28 PM
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?!? I think we're inhabiting parallel universes here
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/17 04:23 PM
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This is an interesting question that I don't have an answer to. I think it would be interesting to look back in time to before age of consent laws were a thing and observe the data.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/17 04:21 PM
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Me too! My skin cleared up a lot too. Plus I hold myself with a lot more grace and confidence now.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/17 04:19 PM
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"If you wanna brag about how little you orgasm thats on you, I'm not impressed." I think I love you?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/17 04:16 PM
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"Women are more visual than men are. By far." -- a man
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/17 03:28 PM
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"We don't get as much pleasure from sex as women do." Well then why are you so obsessed with it? You stated earlier that you watch 3+ hours of porn every single day. What are you doing with your life if this doesn't even bring you that much pleasure?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/17 03:26 PM
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I mean, I know you're trolling, but your basic lack of empathy here makes me glad that you're not pursuing relationships with other human beings. You're a danger to other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/17 03:18 PM
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"Besides, women's high pitched voices causes me severe headaches. its like my brain is telling me to stay far away from basic bitches." Oh, yep, you're totally well-adjusted and healthy! No problems there!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/17 03:11 PM
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This is such an interesting thread. At 18, I still had baby fat in my face. Now at 24, I think I'm much more attractive... everything has slimmed out and fallen where it should. I get a ton more (unwanted, unasked for) attention from men now than six or even two years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/17 03:07 PM
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There's lots and lots of porn where the visual is the woman being dominated or used for the man's pleasure. Much less porn where the woman has her own agency and the focus is on her pleasure, or even enjoyment. I think this essentially brainwashes women into only focusing on the male partner during sex and ignoring what her body is telling her; after all, it's not important or valued. If you're truly interested, a great book that explains this process in much more eloquent detail is Glennon Doyl…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/17 07:50 AM
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I absolutely agree. It's not healthy and creates sexually passive women who are disconnected from their bodies.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/17 05:30 AM
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Ok. So what "wisdom" do you feel you've gained from your pain? That loving another human being is like loving a doorknob?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 06:49 PM
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If you felt anxious or angry about your mugging experience to the point where it affected your daily life and your routine, I would say you needed to see a therapist, yeah. Not in a judgmental way. Just in a way where your quality of life can be greatly improved when you heal from trauma.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 06:36 PM
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You think she looks chunky?! Lol I'm curious what an average person looks like in that parallel universe you're living in
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 06:02 PM
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My husband and I have similar goals in life, and we help each other succeed. We both have artsy careers that can entail a lot of rejection, but we both know that there's someone in our corner no matter what. We trust and respect each other absolutely, and we can make each other laugh. He's my best friend, my partner, and my soulmate. Oh, and he hits every one of my kinks physically ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 06:00 PM
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That's interesting. Could you explain more why you think that?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 05:55 PM
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Because based on that post, it sounds like you were hurt deeply enough that you are still carrying around incredible amounts of resentment and pain. It sounds like you haven't emotionally healed, and moreover it sounds like you have just come to accept a bitter, cynical view on women.... and life.... rather than try to heal.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 05:48 PM
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I know this will probably sound ridiculously optimistic to you, but I think that we can evolve beyond sadism as a controlling principle as a human race. I really do. Think of all of the famous leaders in the world who are pacifists. It's not all built on this framework of dominance and control. There is absolutely that element present, but it's toxic and needs to be called out as such. Which is why I think we need feminism. Especially radical, gender-critical feminism. ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 03:57 AM
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That's not exactly accurate. Take a look at this study: "Yali preferred low women’s WHR and relatively high women’s (but not men’s) LBR. Women’s and men’s ratings of each SDS set were similar, which suggests that the “male-taller norm” in Yali tribe was far weaker than in Western cultures. Additionally, the observed preferences were modified by contact with different cultures, age, and accessibility of food resources (pig possession). Our results suggest that human norms of attractiveness are ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 03:22 AM
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Right. And because EVERYONE reads Craigslist looking for sex. ::rolls eyes::
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 12:47 AM
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Okay. But not all women want to be dominated. It's totally an individual preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 12:46 AM
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I absolutely have empathy for incels. The problem is that by and large they have a warped, fucked-up worldview and are not interested in treating women like human beings.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 12:42 AM
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I mean, this is super specific to me (as an opera singer) but this is the sexiest thing I have ever seen in my life from a man: https://youtu.be/Zzb9uwfgD1w Raw charisma, passion, and power. Masculinity combined with vulnerability. I also found Leonard Nimoy as Spock to be really sexy... and Alan Rickman's Snape. Oh, and I have feminine features.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/17 12:13 AM
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I think you want to believe her SO HARD because it makes everything really simple for you. You think: "Oh, all women are like this, so i don't have to change my worldview or my assumptions at all." Aka: confirmation bias. But the truth is that the world is not black and white. Some women are submissive. Some are not. Sometimes acting dominant in a situation is good. Sometimes it's not. You have to take it situation by situation with sex. Person by person.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/17 11:59 PM
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I think you want to believe her SO HARD because it makes everything really simple for you. You think: "Oh, all women are like this, so i don't have to change my worldview or my assumptions at all." Aka: confirmation bias. But the truth is that the world is not black and white. Some women are submissive. Some are not. Sometimes acting dominant in a situation is good. Sometimes it's not. You have to take it situation by situation with sex. Person by person.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/17 11:59 PM
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"They want men to bow down, "respect women", and approach the situation like from a Disney plot..yet they also want manly and masculine men who "take charge" and fuck them silly." Holy shit. Just treat us like PEOPLE. Like human beings with wants and desires and thoughts just like yours. Flawed human beings who are finding our way through this world just like you. It's really not that complicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/17 11:55 PM
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Excellent! So if I point you to this article about submissive men, you'll agree that all men want to be submissive, right? Because one man says so, right? But they're just too brainwashed by our culture to admit and give in to their submissive desires? http://www.submissiveguide.com/2013/02/male-submission-the-worm/
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/17 11:51 PM
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"But loving a woman has the same utility to a man as loving a door knob. You never get it back. In fact, a door knob is better because it is harmless. It will only disappoint your delusions, but it will never actively betray you." This just makes me feel sad for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/17 04:48 AM
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"The best option - for both men and women - is a happy medium of the two, where you give comfort and support to assuage their emotions, but also give some actionable advice which will benefit them in the future." Yeah, I can agree with you there. But I also think that part of it is about realizing that you (hopefully) have more to give to the world than just looking attractive.... that you have a brain and a will to make something of yourself, and that is just as valuable as how you appear physi…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/17 06:37 PM
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Look. I agree with you that jobs are going away in large swaths of society, but I don't understand why you are blaming feminism for that. We are currently through an automation revolution, just as we went through an industrial revolution before. The increasing sophistication of machines is going to keep replacing human labor. This is not the fault of feminism and not the fault of immigrants, and it's not going to slow down or stop. We have to figure out as a society what we're going to do when a…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/17 06:28 PM
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It seems to me like these men must feel disempowered somehow in their own lives, so in order to fuel their egos they feel like they need power over women. Sheer narcissisism. They literally want women to worship them. For them to need so badly that kind of validation from another human being tells me that they have some profound psychological issues. People who are well-adjusted, secure humans don't require that much power over another human being.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/17 03:16 AM
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Honestly? If being an executive made someone that miserable, then yeah. I would say they need to change their situation, money and power be damned. Money and power don't make up for a lack of joy in life. Just like how in oppressive marriages, security and comfort don't make up for the ability to choose your own future and fulfill your ambitions as a human being.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/17 03:07 AM
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Ah. Thank you for that long, thought-out post. I really do appreciate it, and I truly understand your perspective much better now. It's just... a little sad to me that you think the primary value of women to men is sex; that's not at all how I would describe my marriage. The thing I've given my husband that I have never given to anyone else is an absolute commitment to build him up, trust him, and help him through life no matter what happens. And he's given that promise back to me, and neither o…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/17 03:03 AM
1

Ah. Thank you for that long, thought-out post. I really do appreciate it, and I truly understand your perspective much better now. It's just... a little sad to me that you think the primary value of women to men is sex; that's not at all how I would describe my marriage. The thing I've given my husband that I have never given to anyone else is an absolute commitment to build him up, trust him, and help him through life no matter what happens. And he's given that promise back to me, and neither o…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/17 03:03 AM
1

Ah. Thank you for that long, thought-out post. I really do appreciate it, and I truly understand your perspective much better now. It's just... a little sad to me that you think the primary value of women to men is sex; that's not at all how I would describe my marriage. The thing I've given my husband that I have never given to anyone else is an absolute commitment to build him up, trust him, and help him through life no matter what happens. And he's given that promise back to me, and neither o…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/17 03:03 AM
1

Ah. Thank you for that long, thought-out post. I really do appreciate it, and I truly understand your perspective much better now. It's just... a little sad to me that you think the primary value of women to men is sex; that's not at all how I would describe my marriage. The thing I've given my husband that I have never given to anyone else is an absolute commitment to build him up, trust him, and help him through life no matter what happens. And he's given that promise back to me, and neither o…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/17 03:03 AM
1

Ah. Thank you for that long, thought-out post. I really do appreciate it, and I truly understand your perspective much better now. It's just... a little sad to me that you think the primary value of women to men is sex; that's not at all how I would describe my marriage. The thing I've given my husband that I have never given to anyone else is an absolute commitment to build him up, trust him, and help him through life no matter what happens. And he's given that promise back to me, and neither o…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/17 03:03 AM
1

Ah. Thank you for that long, thought-out post. I really do appreciate it, and I truly understand your perspective much better now. It's just... a little sad to me that you think the primary value of women to men is sex; that's not at all how I would describe my marriage. The thing I've given my husband that I have never given to anyone else is an absolute commitment to build him up, trust him, and help him through life no matter what happens. And he's given that promise back to me, and neither o…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/17 03:03 AM
1

Ah. Thank you for that long, thought-out post. I really do appreciate it, and I truly understand your perspective much better now. It's just... a little sad to me that you think the primary value of women to men is sex; that's not at all how I would describe my marriage. The thing I've given my husband that I have never given to anyone else is an absolute commitment to build him up, trust him, and help him through life no matter what happens. And he's given that promise back to me, and neither o…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/17 03:03 AM
1

Ah. Thank you for that long, thought-out post. I really do appreciate it, and I truly understand your perspective much better now. It's just... a little sad to me that you think the primary value of women to men is sex; that's not at all how I would describe my marriage. The thing I've given my husband that I have never given to anyone else is an absolute commitment to build him up, trust him, and help him through life no matter what happens. And he's given that promise back to me, and neither o…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/17 03:03 AM
1

Ah. Thank you for that long, thought-out post. I really do appreciate it, and I truly understand your perspective much better now. It's just... a little sad to me that you think the primary value of women to men is sex; that's not at all how I would describe my marriage. The thing I've given my husband that I have never given to anyone else is an absolute commitment to build him up, trust him, and help him through life no matter what happens. And he's given that promise back to me, and neither o…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/17 03:03 AM
1

Ah. Thank you for that long, thought-out post. I really do appreciate it, and I truly understand your perspective much better now. It's just... a little sad to me that you think the primary value of women to men is sex; that's not at all how I would describe my marriage. The thing I've given my husband that I have never given to anyone else is an absolute commitment to build him up, trust him, and help him through life no matter what happens. And he's given that promise back to me, and neither o…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/17 03:03 AM
1

Ah. Thank you for that long, thought-out post. I really do appreciate it, and I truly understand your perspective much better now. It's just... a little sad to me that you think the primary value of women to men is sex; that's not at all how I would describe my marriage. The thing I've given my husband that I have never given to anyone else is an absolute commitment to build him up, trust him, and help him through life no matter what happens. And he's given that promise back to me, and neither o…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/17 03:03 AM
1

Ah. Thank you for that long, thought-out post. I really do appreciate it, and I truly understand your perspective much better now. It's just... a little sad to me that you think the primary value of women to men is sex; that's not at all how I would describe my marriage. The thing I've given my husband that I have never given to anyone else is an absolute commitment to build him up, trust him, and help him through life no matter what happens. And he's given that promise back to me, and neither o…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/17 03:03 AM
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"I am perfectly fine with other peoples' children starving all over the place, it is not my responsibility" See, this makes me incredibly glad that you and people who think like you don't run the world. Complete lack of humanity. Complete lack of empathy. This kind of attitude leaves the entire world suffering and in pain.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/17 02:40 AM
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'We are becoming the men we wanted to marry.' -- Gloria Steinem
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/17 02:36 AM
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I mean, I'm all for the fact that there are consequences to people's actions, and all for self-reliance. The part that I have a hard time with is children. Children didn't ask to be born into poverty, and it wasn't their own choices that led them there.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/17 10:39 PM
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Ok, then, I agree that we should expand funding for social programs for men. What kind of programs do you think would be beneficial? And I also agree that we should work to lessen the gender pay gap.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/17 09:12 PM
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Yeah, I can see that. And I think that's probably one of the only positive things about RP, is men helping each other and encouraging each other (admittedly in a different way than women do).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/17 09:09 PM
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Have you read "The Feminine Mystique", or done research on the prevalence of depression and substance abuse women suffered during "traditional marriage" when they were homemakers popping out babies? How exactly does "traditional marriage" benefit women in the long run? It's a raw deal. I say this as a women who is happily married to my husband, by the way. We both work hard and are equal partners with equal power in our relationship, which to me is very different than "traditional marriage."
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/17 08:46 PM
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Ok, but women are part of the labor market just as much as men are. You could say that women who are high earners paying taxes are supporting these "inadequates" that you're talking about just as much as men do. It's not a gender thing. We all feed into the system.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/17 08:40 PM
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That's a really good point! Basing your self-worth as a person on whether or not you're getting laid is for sure only going to lead to unhappiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/17 08:34 PM
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Aw, you can't defend your position so you're falling back on pretending to joke. Cute.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/17 08:24 PM
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I agree with you that gender roles are toxic, and as a woman I get irritated by learned helplessness all the time. Where we seem to disagree is that a woman's self-esteem should be based on how she looks. I think the solution to this problem is her not basing her self-worth on other people's perception of her looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/17 07:36 PM
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This is a good point. Unfortunately, women are mostly judged on their looks, which then leads to their low self-esteem. What do you think that men are judged on that leads to low self-esteem? What can we do about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/17 07:31 PM
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Why on earth do you think this? What experiences with women do you have that would lead you to this conclusion? Never in my life with a group of other women have I said something like that about another woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/17 07:26 PM
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I'm a woman in my mid-20s, and I don't see a lot of this on my social media feeds anymore. I DID see a lot of that 10 years ago as a teenager. I think a lot of women receive and internalize the message growing up that they must look a certain way in order to be worthy of love and belonging, and so those type of positive comments are their way to fight back against that message, to tell each other that you DON'T have to look a certain way to be "worthy". Especially for younger, more insecure wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/17 05:46 PM
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There was also a time in human history where armies raped & pillaged indiscriminately and burned libraries to the ground. There was a time when we burned women at the stake for witchcraft. Society evolves over time. We make progress, and things that once were seen as acceptable become taboo.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/17 05:27 PM
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For me, it's the passion and the confidence that are the sexy things about bad boys. They don't give a fuck about conventions or what other people think about them. They're driven, determined, unafraid to fight to survive, fight for what they believe in. Strong. It's also that emotionally damaged, physically attractive men can be very appealing, in a way that some women can fall for if they don't know better. Also, to me, a lack of emotional depth is what separates a "bad boy" from a psychopath.…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/17 09:10 AM
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Ok, so what kind of "moulding in your own image" are you imagining exactly? Are you thinking that a "young chaste virgin" won't have sexual desires & preferences of her own simply because she hasn't had sex before?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/17 08:54 AM
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Fair enough -- I can accept your argument that the opposite sex has the right to value whatever they want. But why do men value virginity so highly?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/17 08:53 AM
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Why do you see sex as a debasing act? From your perspective, is it debasing for a man to participate in sex, or only for women? If it's not debasing for a man, why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/17 11:37 PM
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INTP female. Blue pill. Red Pill descriptions of how women act and think do not describe me or the majority of women I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/16 11:19 PM
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