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CMVsilverface-mt05/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 08:05 PM
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Most people are fairly OK with a slight difference, with the preference being for men to be higher earners and a bit older. Playing the devil's advocate, however... you can hopefully understand that a much older man is still a risk for the lady if she wants him to stay around to grow old together but it ends up with her spending her venerable years alone because he died ~20 years before she did. This is an anecdotal example, but I've seen it happen many times. Men almost never live as long as wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/21 02:37 PM
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You're basing your opinion on anecdotes. So sorry, I can't explain that it's only you who's doing it and it's you who's overestimating how you think your personal anecdotes are somehow the norm. Sorry, I can't argue with people who refuse to see reality. Don't waste your time. Go tell someone "fuck you" if that's what gets you off, you seem to enjoy doing that (yikes).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/21 05:01 AM
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It's still a new way of looking at dating. And many self-proclaimed RPillers haven't actually read the original books... so yeah, it's messy. But most ideas are fairly cohesive. It's the fact that you can interpret so many different ways to live out a red-pilled life is where it divides up into many subfactions. Generally speaking, if you read the sidebar, you would notice the core tenets of the red pill, the big "truths" are all pretty mundane. Women like good-looking men? Men like young, attra…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 10:05 PM
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The example was just to make a point that even if it's taken to a logical extreme it still doesn't change the fact that you don't have any responsibility to carry the stigmas and opinions of other people. Like I mentioned in the edit, it's mostly because women engage in stigmatization when it threatens social cohesion. This has its own use from time to time when you think about why stigmas exist in the first place. Men tend to stigmatize less often, but they tend to follow the "suggest, don't ad…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 09:52 PM
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Generally speaking yeah. I think it depends on the group. If you ask someone in private and that person replies honestly - I would assume most wouldn't give a shit. Let people bang whatever they're into as long as there's consent. But when it's a public question and there's many listeners, ofc many will answer with the safer opinion that it's creepy, weird, etc. Kinda like generic party music - a playlist so diluted it neither appeals nor bores the audience, but it maintains social cohesion for …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 09:28 PM
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Women generally get too much attention and this hurts both sides. Men focus too much on sex and validation, which is why it drives women away from them. The net they cast is too big. However, I still argue most successful relationships start fairly early in life, perhaps early 20s, and once you're past that you are statistically less likely to have a marriage and kids (given that the person wants a family and kids). Not a hard rule but a rule of thumb. You can have a few relationships and then f…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 09:13 PM
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Some women fetishize extraordinarily tall men in the same vein some men fetishize young, barely legal teens. However, it's not necessarily that people are constantly chasing extremes. Those are the weirdos, the cougars, the gold diggers, etc. etc. who do it. Usually because of some deeply ingrained insecurities regarding their own lives or choices. Life is a lot more mundane than what redditors here make it out to be. Most ordinary girls like a man a bit taller than them. And most ordinary guys …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 08:59 PM
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Uhh sure. I can see it. Well, my point still stands. Either she has to become more attractive herself or... lower her standards. I don't think increasing her standards even more like what r/dsting_advice is telling her right now is gonna work out. She'll just price herself out of the market.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 06:57 PM
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I agree that accepting the reality of things is a good thing, but many men struggle with it because that means they also have to come to terms with their own mediocre lives and the mistakes they made while dating. Once they accept it, what then? Well, I personally place a lot of value on self-improvement. Why? Self-improvement is a very important facet of life that's far too associated with businessmen life gurus and poorly written books. But most advice that's ancient is fairly good, since it s…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 06:54 PM
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I think marriage is good if you want kids. If you don't want kids, then the next best choice is to have a few high-quality relationships throughout your life. Otherwise, what's the point in dating? Sex becomes boring after a while once you have enough of it, and if you spend too much time with someone for no tangible reason you'll grow to resent that person eventually. Neither is a guarantee, but this is a general trend I see.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 06:45 PM
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Yes. I agree. But enjoying the presence of an attractive person is a natural human reaction. The real game is discovering whether that person is using their beauty as a free pass for bad behavior. I would love for everyone to be beautiful and enjoy each other's presence, but that's not possible, so we have to vet people equally. It personally helps if you think about beauty like it's just not enough to be only beautiful to be given a chance to be asked out or talked to. You have to have more tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 06:41 PM
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The issue is that it's only you who's arguing this because you're giving anecdotal evidence, but the general trends in research on attraction dictate that we give attractive people more passes than unattractive people. There's more attractive (i.e. symmetrical faces & taller height) CEOs compared to the general population. Same goes for those in higher positions of any other discipline, trade and specialty where people have to deal with other people. We are also more likely to trust people who a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 06:34 PM
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There's a saying I love. If you're gonna be dumb you gotta be tough. If you're gonna be weak you gotta be smart. But ideally you want to be both. That being said, everyone almost always forgets that IQ fluctuates throughout your life. You can train yourself to be smarter, similarly to how you can train yourself to be stronger. There's genetic limits, but if for example a person scores an IQ of 95 - 105 there's a possibility they can bump it up by perhaps a dozen or so points if they consistently…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 06:13 PM
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What? Life isn't a binary extreme between people of 0 IQ and 500 IQ. Idk what memes you take your ingenious theories from, but generally speaking men and women want partners who are similar in IQ, with perhaps a preference for women that the man is slightly smarter than her by a few points. But just IQ is not enough. Otherwise Stephen Hawking and Albert Einstein would be drowning in their harems. The opposite isn't completely true either. Ofc women have a preference for having babies with men wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 03:22 PM
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Well, beauty does not correlate with how shit you are as a person. But we give beautiful people a pass more often than ugly people. It's still an advantage in life to be beautiful no matter the way you frame it. And regarding virtuality, well, that's the point. You can just watch porn, masturbate and do the bare minimum to get by. It's entirely your choice. But is it the correct choice?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/21 02:08 PM
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You kinda have to see that most people who post on PPD aren't exactly those who lead the happiest lives. Most regular people are OK with just... finding a partner that fit their specific lifestyle. But some have had either trauma, or bad preconceived notions, or really bad relationship experiences therefore they're still trying to find the truth. And sometimes they come to the wrong conclusion hence why there's more argument than debate here. Also, both TRP and FDS have groups of assholes who so…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/21 11:55 AM
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Care to elaborate?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/21 11:42 AM
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I theorize that after the agricultural revolution, traditional male-male competition, where men in a tribe would spar with each other to win over women, ran out of fashion. All men now settled down with women and formed two-adult households. False. The agricultural revolution only made the women concentrate on one man for the man's resources. Up to an extreme where around 17 women reproduced with 1 man. Source.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/21 11:35 AM
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Don't help people who don't need help. And be wary of helping people who specifically ask for it. Pretty much the only advice you're gonna get.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/21 11:11 AM
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He's outdated but his observations are true. Men have to start with themselves first. Not drop their standards and date horrible, ugly people and participate in the apocalyptic-level parasite-infested modern dating market, but become terrific, attractive people themselves and focus on vetting out those horrible people so only good options remain. This requires effort and lots of lonely nights stuck in bed with reality at the back of their minds. But once they make it through there might be a bet…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/21 11:07 AM
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We can't suggest you anything because #1 we don't know how attractive you are, and #2 we don't know what kinds of men you go out with. Honestly, any normal dude would want to have a relationship with someone they find attractive. It's what normal people do. So if you've been having constant issues with ghosting after sex... sorry, the problem is your taste in men. Those men that are willing to offer you a relationship aren't the same who will sleep with you. It's how it is. Same thing with guys …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/21 11:00 AM
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The anger phase can last decades. It's an unfortunate side-effect of swinging from one extreme to the next. Many guys will go from "all women are angels" to "all women are bitches" rather quickly and it shows up everywhere. But that's just a variation of blue-pilled thinking. MGTOW and PUA is rather unfortunately taking the brunt of these types of delusional guys. Here's the thing... most major grand-daddies of the red pill are currently happily married and with children, or happily single or ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/21 08:15 AM
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Yes, that makes sense to me. What I would like to share is that the red pill circle isn't necessarily a fixed set of beliefs reserved for women-haters. That's a stereotype. The red pill is a collection of ideas that's developed and understood by mostly men on how relationships and sexuality works. Some are bitter and hate women, of course, but they are almost always still stuck in the anger phase, which is something that's also very heavily documented already. Anger-phase guys haven't yet come t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/21 07:31 AM
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All I see with this post is you trying to find people who agree with your preconceived notions. You just want to feel good about yourself and so far I've only seen you reply positively to only one kind of opinion ("red pill men bad women good") and not good arguments. You are pushing an agenda, and everyone can see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/21 06:20 AM
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It won't. There's plenty of good role models in the red pill. You've obviously never read what the red pill is about, so you therefore have no knowledge of it and are basing it on... random shit you come up with on the spot. The red pill is dangerous because it denies the pussy pass a certain group of women has been using for dar too long. Other than that, the red pill teaches men that they have more value than what mainstream media tries to push to their face. You either REALLY REALLY want to g…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/21 06:16 AM
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So you're saying femininity is toxic and should be avoided at all costs? You're pushing two extremes here. Sure, if your understanding of real life is based on caricatures and cartoons.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/21 06:11 AM
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Ye, I agree that 3 dates is a good standard. I was trying to be a bit more abstract but you're right. Like I wrote, a market is a market, and you have to barter for a good deal. 3 dates It think is definitely a fairly fair deal. More dates until sex means the lady has more bartering power and vice versa applies for the guy. This is speaking very generally, of course it really depends on the chemistry between both people, but if we assume both are rational when looking for a partner, then 3 dates…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/21 08:20 PM
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A lot of media, especially early media, was made by men though. Okay. Let me analyze this. The comment you responded to was a reflection by a redditor with regards to one redditor's comment about why exactly was she into porn. Let me quote it: its because its what I always saw in porn and its what I heard other liberal women tell me was “good” and “empowering” She herself wrote that she was inspired to partake in rough sexual practices by other liberal women. This is important later. In response…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/21 06:16 PM
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Honestly there's a lot of good points here. Not every man is to be trusted. There's 100% a big percentage of men who only desire sex when dating. However, what matters is the hypocrisy of having a one night stand with one dude and then prolonging sex for another dude because he's a better long-term match. Perfect scenario would dictate you should treat every partner the same way, but that's just not how it works. The dating market is still a market, with frauds, snake oil salesmen and the like. …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/21 10:11 AM
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So if women were in charge everything would be super? This isn't a gender issue still. Because you would instead try to change their policies and not their genders. You stress how they're bad because they're men. I'm still not convinced. You seem to not want equality, you just want power.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/21 10:01 AM
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But now it's not and you still get the same garbage either way. Seems like to me this is less a gender issue and more of a media issue, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/21 03:59 PM
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Your point is actually a pretty important revelation. Porn 100% fucks up your expectations of what good sex is. You can attune yourself to get aroused by many things, but some of them are less what you really need and more about what society considers to be "normal". And a lot of girls eat it up, calling it empowering and sexually expressive to be used as a fucktoy by who could be nothing more than a hot stranger, as an example. Skipping porn changed my expectations of sex. It lead me to underst…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/21 03:56 PM
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Same table also shows that a third of young men aren't having any sex at all. And women for some reason managing to have much more frequent sex than their male counterparts. And this trend has been increasing the past few years. And if you took the time to look at the other tables below you would notice that a small percentage men on average have more partners than most men and women. So. A third of young men aren't having any sex, women have sex almost as twice as frequently as men, and this ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/21 07:12 PM
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It's actually a very common misconception by women that a lot of men get laid. It's not true. A lot men that are accepted into the women's group get laid because women typically don't hang around men who don't have a lot of sex. You can find various examples of this misconception just by observing who women associate themselves with. A podcast on YouTube asked a local girl in Miami what the average man looks like: 6' height, six figure income and very very outlier looks, which is about the furth…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/21 06:53 PM
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That is a lie. Even the most hardcore pick up artists stress how important female orgasms are. Idk where you get ideas about tradmen because I've never met one who thinks that cumming on tits is the whole goal of interacting with women. You're making up strawmen. Sure, women should dress and do what they want. The issue is when they try to attract a partner. They can't attract a partner if they only show what they themselves like and then demand, demand, demand; the same way a man cannot show a …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/21 03:40 PM
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You make a lot of assumptions straight away. You're not trying to convince only to argue. What's your proof it isn't correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/21 08:00 PM
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Blue pill is a lack of awareness of the red pill, which itself is grounded in having a realistic understanding of intersexual dynamics, so your point is incorrect.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/21 05:34 PM
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Well yeah, the redpill can only serve as a foundation for understanding the workings of a relationship, but it's not an instruction manual. I see it more as a schematics book that just shows you how things work and it's of your own volition to decide what to do with that knowledge.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 07:11 PM
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Parents are naturally predisposed to love their child to a point where they will sacrifice themselves for it, sure, but this is with regards to romantic love.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 06:46 PM
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Can you elaborate why both are only partial explanations?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 06:42 PM
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Actually pretty reasonable. In my military years we had a few guys who were naturally built like brick houses like in the second link. They looked like something out of a cartoon and their fighting capacity was also pretty overdeveloped. They were really successful with girls. But that was maybe 2 guys out of 120 in my company. So 1 container-sized giant for every 60 regular-sized men. One of them was even smart. Not in the "well-read" sense but could put two and two together and could actually …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 05:25 PM
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Yes. This is part of my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 03:16 PM
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Ok this is actually something that changed my mind a bit. There's definitely degrees of commitment and attraction and it differs based on who the person is. My assertion of unconditional love not existing is a hill I will gladly die on, but viewing love as a gradient is a good way to look at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 02:25 PM
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Blue pill is an absence of knowing about the red pill, but there's several ways you can go about defining them against each other. The Rational Male has a fairly lengthy introduction to the dichotomy, but I think that the main idea of love is a good say to separate both sides. So basically an addition to existing theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 02:22 PM
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I see these kinds of statements as small ways to build resilience between red pillers. Like drill sergeants berating new recruits or Buddhist meditations on memento mori. I've been yelled at during my time in the military and it certainly didn't turn me into a pessimist or make me depressed, it broke my ego, made me feel bad for a while and ultimately gave me thicker skin which helps me live my life right now, and it's a fairly analogous experience to when I first discovered the red pill, only m…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 02:13 PM
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You shouldn't hate women just because a girl did you dirty, sure, but that's why red pillers have a clearly established anger-phase that most go through as they come to terms with the true reality of relationships. It's a phase, like a teenager hating on their parents phase.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 11:28 AM
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I agree with you. It's healthy boundaries, it's having clear expectations and clear feelings for someone, but it's never going to be unconditional since there's always going to be a very specific & rare possibility that something might break that love.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 11:26 AM
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I believe that you can have a very strong attraction for someone. And that attraction can persist for a long time or perhaps metamorphose into something else. But that attraction comes from fairly mundane reasons such as attractiveness, health, fitness, etc. and not because the universe willed it into existence. The problem with love is it has no definition, and therefore is based on whatever the person's opinion on relationships are. It's a big giveaway that the person doesn't understand why he…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 11:21 AM
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Red pill is not pessimistic, it just exists as a collection of ideas and concepts and it's your choice to take it positively or negatively.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 11:15 AM
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Yet many believe that such a thing exists in real life when in reality it doesn't. Everything is conditional and every relationship has a reason behind it outside of romanticized theories about true love.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 11:14 AM
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How can something be used to gauge a relationship's success if love is a thing without clear a definition, then?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 03:38 AM
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Do you think there can ever be a single, concrete factor or point which separates the red pill from the blue pill? I think there definitely is and it most likely has something to do with how we see love as an idea. So far the general consensus is that it's separated by a fuzzy group of concepts, but that group is fuzzy around the edges. It's fuzzy because we haven't discovered everything yet. That's at least how I see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 09:08 PM
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Honestly you have to either learn to turn a blind eye or just not tell every single detail to the other person to make the relationship successful. In game theory, both sides win relatively the most when they don't assume anything about the other side and cooperate on a case-by-case basis. This means they don't know their previous and future decisions. But it requires trust and a little bit of ignorance, primarily. It sounds weird but that's at least what I remember from my lectures.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 08:08 AM
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That is pretty reasonable. The negative reaction might be because of jealousy. It might also be because it's an indicator for dissatisfaction. Though the first sentence gives out that you see it in a very female-centric scenario. There's many guys who like to get their dick sucked, but not every girl they date or are in a relationship with will go down on them, so they're stuck in the position of "I want it but I can't get it". So, what are the options? Breaking up? Sure. But trying to find a gi…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 08:04 AM
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Yes. But what's the point of self improvement if you're the only person benefiting from it? What if you derive your happiness from improving the world around you? So then you'll most likely respond that they should improve the world around themselves instead. I agree. But I'd argue there's few ways to really make an impact in their environment today. Otherwise they would all do it. I think it's because life is too comfortable and there's no urgency. Not enough tangible problems left to solve for…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 10:21 AM
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https://www.mintel.com/press-centre/social-and-lifestyle/all-the-single-ladies-61-of-women-in-the-uk-are-happy-to-be-single-compared-to-49-of-men Around 51% of single males are unhappy about their single relationship status in the UK. Took three minutes of googling.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 07:51 AM
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I think you are correct. It depends on the stage of the relationship. It's better to check on your options early in dating when there's few boundaries established and then commit to one once you made the decision that this'll be your primary partner. This is basically a real-life rendition of the stable marriage problem. It should logically produce the highest amount of happy couples over the course of a number of dates between men and women. It's not the same as spinning plates, but it is gener…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 07:46 AM
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Yes. And? You're just trying to bullshit your way out of an argument. Prove me wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 07:28 AM
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The whole point is towards those that are miserable when alone. It's not "all men". Solitude isn't loneliness, either.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 07:20 AM
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You are right. Perhaps loneliness isn't a problem, but it's definitely a thing that's increasing every year. And I think it's a result of some problematic things in the dating world. My own assumption is that it is a problem but a majority just won't admit it. But your guess that most don't care about it are once again just an assumption. You therefore can't argue that you know any better than I do.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 06:35 AM
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So in essence you don't disagree?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 06:13 AM
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Anecdotal evidence isn't a good argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 05:45 AM
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All I see here are generalizations vs. personal anecdotes. If the guy feels jealous, it is 100% his responsibility to not feel jealous, only that there's no simple solution and dishing out "shut up and stay in your lane" type of advice won't do anything. He has an almost instinctual feel that he's second choice. It's not whether he really is second choice but that he feels like he is one. That's where his envy comes from. He wants to be first choice. He wants to fuck young hot girls. He should g…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 04:10 AM
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It's immoral, yes, BUT not because you pump & dump but because you didn't tell them you don't want a relationship and lead them on. You make those girls trust other guys less & automatically make the dating scene worse. Dating requires a lot of trust to work, and less trust just means there's less chance that good romantic/sexual experiences will occur. It's a tragedy of the commons type of scenario. It's essentially the reason why it's immoral in the first place. But why be moral if you don't c…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 03:44 PM
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I think that many lonely men simply lack a concrete purpose in their lives and a social community where they matter on an individual level. A lack of either produces an overfixation on sex and empty relationships, which you can see everywhere and why there's debates on sexdroids. A man fundamentally desires to either be necessary for something or to be in a state of pleasure. Look at memes made in male-centric me-irl type of groups. A fixation on crushing on pretty girls, dying in wars, physical…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 03:24 PM
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So then lonely men are effectively fucked and there's nothing you can do about it. That's not a good way to go about it. Let's put it in more abstract terms. A group of people are miserable when left alone and happy when coupled with another group of people. However, the other group of people don't accept them for whatever reason that just fundamentally is impossible to change. We create a third, artificial group of people to be coupled with. We can either think about it teleologically that the …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 02:45 PM
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It depends. It has to do with age. Once you're older, sex by itself isn't enough. You need to have a reason to have sex that is not solely for the sake of rubbing genitals together. Mileage varies. Some men want more sex than others, and it has to do with some contradictory reasons, such as dry spells, feeling unwanted, or having a high sex drive. 100% I just wanted to bang for the sake of banging when I was in my early 20s, but now that isn't enough. I abstain from hookups that solely rely on p…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 09:51 AM
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Value in exchange for value. But not all forms of value is equally prioritized. Most men want to feel like the sex they have with women matters. Like it's a thing you do not to scratch an itch but to form a connection or at least feel like you're wanted by someone. Priority of sexual exchange for men comes out something like this: sex out of love, sex out of lust, sex out of necessity. Men tend to put a hard barrier on sex out of necessity such as paying for an escort, including a supposed "hot"…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 11:32 AM
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Red pill isn't pick up artistry. You stating that just means you know nothing about the red pill. If men knew that just "doing it" would work, they would all do it. But that's not what you see. It's a societal issue and you can't put blame on one side and expect them to go "oh k ill just talk to a hundred random girls everyday". How would you imagine that turning out? Every moment of your time outside is cluttered with random men trying to talk to you? It's validating, sure, but solves exactly z…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 04:06 AM
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Marriage material as a term & concept is so bastardized that both genders look at it under completely different, antonymous definitions. There's a big issue with the value of marriage and how men and women approach the act of marriage, but because we try to discuss it when we have entirely different ideas in our heads we get no useful discourse out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 06:16 PM
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The red pill is simply a collection of theories regarding the sexual nature of men and women. It ideally should be neutral, but because of its origins in the pick-up artist community has many negative stereotypes attached to it. It's a framework that you use to build stuff on. It should ideally have an equal subset of men & women coming together, but currently it is male-oriented because males tend to form theories around things they desire, like sex & women. Edit: not implying that women DON'T …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 10:09 AM
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I wanna make a few points regarding AF/BB & promiscuity. Human species as a whole are serial monogamists. We pair up to successfully raise children because of the way our resource-intensive reproductive pipeline works, and we either go for round two with the same partner or go find someone else to have a child with once the first child can take care of itself. There's some differences based on whether our environment has enough resources or not to sustain pairing off with different mates, but ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 09:57 AM
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It's more or less a very specialized viewpoint based on Buddhist doctrine, where most of your emotional ailments are the result of ignorance, envy & hatred. If you put some effort into flushing out those three poisons, your troubles in life suddenly make a lot more sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 08:08 AM
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Red pill rage is a thing and many men who first hear of the red pill have to overcome the process of grieving because they never understood how dating and relationships worked until that point. They who blame only women for their troubles form a large collective within the red pill community but they do not represent the main tenets of the red pill. You shouldn't look for blame, you should look for what put you in your circumstances. Blaming is an automatic emotional reaction akin to getting ang…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 08:03 AM
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This subreddit has the potential to reestablish some trust between the sexes through venting, discourse & polite disagreement. Sure, most of the userbase here are suspicious with what they want to get out of it, but sometimes common dating issues lead to mutual agreement on the causes & solutions for it. Once enough trust is established, then it is possible to start turning the current zero-sum understanding of the sexual marketplace into something less miserable for those involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 08:40 PM
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The deeper issue is the sleazeball economics of modern dating that drive down the ability for people to date and have fun and enter fulfilling relationships as a natural evolution of their socialization. Modern tech & business also doesn't help that you can profit off miserable people a lot more than happy couples. A lot of women can tag a hundred different guys along without offering them anything in return and a few leading men can bang any number of girls without asking for their names, which…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 01:24 PM
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Well, it's well-established at this point that women want relationships & men want sex. If both don't provide each other what they want or if it's a one-sided deal (i.e. sexless relationship or fwb) either side is getting an unfair deal. However, men want to have sex with lots of women and women want to date high-value men or at least men that display potential to become high-value. Both are unable to get what they want because they don't meet the needs of their desired persons. And this imbalan…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/21 01:06 PM
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I made the conclusion that the ultimate end-goal of the modern pill is to provide the reader with the capacity to make choices. To have the life and specifically the sexual & romantic life they want, provided that a few realistic boundaries are in place. It's similar to how I interpret the quote "the truth will set you free," where "free" can be practically interpreted as the freedom of choice, and specifically the freedom to choose the lifestyle, the girls and the methods you think will help yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/21 05:25 PM
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Yeah, I meant manipulation as using others for selfish reasons. You can expand the meaning to involve other things, but I think the better word would then be socialization or social interaction, or maybe even cooperation?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/21 04:58 PM
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PUA is a tool, but its success depends on how authentic you are as a person unless you REALLY want to manipulate people. Authenticity is a part of having frame. I don't believe in relationships just "happening" but your success tends to typically depend on your circumstances, the work you put into yourself, your social-mental foundation and how you interact with people, in that specific order, although there's some good arguments that you can switch that order up.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/21 04:11 PM
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It's hard to get dates because girls get cheap validation on the internet from low quality men who are too afraid to ask them out in real life in fear of them ruining their fantastical visions of a happily ever after bullshit storybook ending of their non-existent romantic lives. Their fixation on finding an easier place to interact with girls makes it so difficult to date because they drive down the demand for our attention. The same way porn destroys the libido of men does validation destroy t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/21 03:05 PM
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PUA is just a collection of techniques for people who have the guts to go out and talk to people (wow!) It's an addendum to the core ideas, but unfortunately manages to overshadow the actual red pill community when looking at it from the outside. I agree that the red pill is more than for incels and for pua.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/21 12:39 PM
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Yes, I agree. Quality gets diluted to surface-level interpretation of stuff when too many people join the community. However, I think that this is a general thing for most mid-size subreddits and it doesn't mean it's not worth lurking from time to time because sometimes you get some new really interesting interpretations of old ideas. However, like most things, valuable stuff is rare and the quantity of it is limited.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/21 11:38 AM
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I took it fairly recently, but I did read the books, the sidebar & the most important contributors' posts of the pill. And I tend to try to have a balanced view of it, which practically means reading and listening to conflicting red/purple/MGTOW/blackpill viewpoints. Sometimes bluepill and feminist arguments, too. Generally speaking, to argue well especially when there's a conflicting, distrustful debate like it happens sometime in this subreddit means to actively stay away from echo chambers an…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/21 08:01 AM
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It's actually not that much if a surprise if you meet a man who is both attractive and arousing. And it's true that you have to compromise to make a relationship work. However, what I think is a common issue with the red pill is the assumption that you cannot trust the other person in most circumstances. So that means things like cheating, promiscuity, lying, manipulation aren't off the table once you find someone who's just 'right' for you. But I argue that it's the same mistrust that occurs in…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/21 04:09 AM
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A very common fallacy for people who aren't redpill is thinking that "oh its just all pick up artistry and inceldom" it just signifies you know nothing with regards to what the red pill is about. What you're missing is the main theory of the red pill - hypergamy, beta/alpha dichotomy, frame, how your looks, your status/wealth and your personality affects your dating life. And so far I've found that most of it is true given some exceptions, which oftentimes lead back to redpill theory once you ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/21 03:50 AM
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