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sismetic/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 12:43 AM
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Yes. The thing is culture. You are referring to a heavily broken culture, which is very different to my culture. I live in Mexico and there are several differences. For instance, we don't have the same divorce rate, we don't have the same issues against men, people rarely go to court. It happens mostly on divorces, but most single moms I know never got married. They lived in poverty and were helped by their families. Usually the father is kind of in the picture and gives sparely some money, but …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/21 08:02 PM
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They may think so, but their call to action is not the politics, I think. If it were, they would as likely denigrate absentee fathers. They merely focus exclusively on single mothers. The issue, then, is not the politics(that is equal to gender) but the gender of the mothers. This is seen in light of the overall attitude of TRPers and in the specific posts where it is obvious there's resentment. Case in point: you referring them as deceptive dumb skank. Does that not reflect open resentment? Why…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/21 04:44 PM
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There are many things to unpack, but I think that the major thing is culture. I am giving the benefit of the doubt and assuming that all your personal claims are true and valid. In which case I can only state that my own experience has been different but I also live in a different country and hence there is probably a different culture. In the US the decadence of certain cultures, for example in the black community was the product of a systematic and purposeful attack and therefore their social …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/21 03:56 PM
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Is that really the thing that bothers TRPers? I don't think they have taxpayers in general in mind. I think a more personal reason is simply general resentment which then follows into specific resentment towards single mothers. In any case, if that were the case, then they are being unethical. Human beings are more than offspring, they are children, and they are more worthy than tax revenue. But as I said, even if I were to agree, I don't think that's where the objection comes from as I think TR…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/21 03:50 PM
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Ok, you make good points and some bad ones. As far as I know, the destruction of the family unit and dependency on welfare were due to capitalist incentives(pay less to the woman in WWII while the husbands were away) and to create instability in black communities(creating a culture of absent fathers because they were jailed disproportionately). The current state of black communities where there are absent fathers was explicit and targetted. There are many who are trapped in that loop because of …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 02:41 PM
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1.- Nobody should have that "right" as it isn't truly a right. In any case, I agree that men don't have that legal option. Why does that justify the attitude towards single mothers? 2.- That is true. But again, that is not really related to single mothers but to mothers in general. 3.- That point works on the assumption that abortion is a viable option. It may be legally, but not ethically. Hence, it is her choice in the same way it is her choice not to grab her newborn and suffocate it to death…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 03:50 AM
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By alpha/beta do you mean attractive and unattractive? Winners and losers in a complex social dynamics? Of course they are! That's not alphas and betas. Chads and Stacy's are a mental construct of TRPers. It is precisely the lack of real world experience that makes a lot of disenfranchised young men and abused older men become pilled. The average person is not a Chad, the average woman is not a Stacy; the average person gets laid. The average TRPer doesn't. Social dynamics and seduction is compl…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 02:14 AM
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Err.... no, that's a fantasy. Why do you prefer a bad fantasy to have? Of course women don't want desperate guys; guys don't want desperate women. But being lustful and being desperate are different things. Many girls are DTF on the first date, and those that don't won't lose attraction because you kissed and made out.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 09:18 PM
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All those movements I see as reactionary. You are making the argument, if I understand you properly, that the counter-movement will generate a counter-counter movement. It already has but it's minor. Howerver, the issue to solving both is to acknowledge men's side, something highly discouraged in the modern feminist movements hence creating the counter-movement. As with all reactionary movements there is a portion that will become radicalized and go too far to the other side(incels, for example)…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 09:02 PM
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In no way. I am a very attractive man. To whichever party I go I always attract someone. I also make good money, I am a writer, I can make friends easily. My ceiling is high. I've had sex with 50-100 women, but if I made "dating" my priority I could probably reach 200+ in 2-3 years. Most women I meet tell me I am probably dating 20 other women. I can be interesting and smooth. I don't mean this to brag(no bragging points count on the internet). I am just not that interested in dating. I have sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 08:57 PM
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I never implied TRPers were rational ;) I am not being hyperbolic. TRPers resent women, especially single mothers. They resent them because women prefer other men to them, not unlike incels resent women. The difference is of relative degree and criminality, but the inner resentment that conforms one group is present in the other. No, it is not. The difference is the example you provided are all of unattractive men. Many TRPers are attracted to single mothers. But I would state that society does …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 08:35 PM
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What makes you think the fathers are alphas? The whole notion of alpha/beta is based on a lack of scientific understanding. It's pop psychology, not real psychology. TRPers often make caricatures out of people(Chads and Stacies). One doesn't have to be an "alpha" to get laid, it's pretty normal that people get laid, and one doesn't need to be "alpha" to get someone pregnant.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 12:47 PM
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If a single fucking cent of my taxes goes towards supporting a single mother, it makes me a state mandated fucking cuck. That is definitely a healthy outlook at life.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 12:45 PM
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Huh? I am not even a woman. MY bitterness is showing? Proyection much. TRPers are the ones bitter who think women are fanged creatures out to get them. What do I have to be bitter about? I am not even a woman, much less so a single mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 12:44 PM
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Because this is a debate group?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 02:13 AM
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You are stating that what I believe is not the case. If you don't provide research for it, then you are not making a strong argument. If you are not interested in educating someone to convine them of your view, why even discuss?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 01:59 AM
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Do you have any stats? That is my general perception. The father simply chose to leave. I don't have stats, do you?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 01:56 AM
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I wouldn't state such cases as single motherhood. That is my fault, it is actually the correct term as the mother is single, I mainly see it as the instances where the father left before the child was born which are the instances I know
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 01:52 AM
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I do. Single mothers are taking an accountability for their choices more than the absent father.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 01:45 AM
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Because I dared hope that a TRPer who used nerdy anti-social lingo could be convinced by logic but found out he was trapped in his own ideology. Not getting through such conditioning and biases.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 01:18 AM
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The conversation was over when you used the term simp >.<
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 12:50 AM
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Mexico. In the US do most women divorcing their spouses is the reason of absentee fathers? I recognize that the court system favours women in the US, but it is my opinion that most cases of single mothers is due to people who haven't married(it was something casual, or even a LTR but without marriage).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 11:49 PM
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You make it like single motherhood is simply the father ups and leaves. That has been my personal experience. You do realize women initiate 70% of divorces and in general favors women in custody? In your culture? Probably. Not in mine. Also, I think those are different to the single motherhood dilemma as they occur in different relationships(classic 40 year old going to the gym and discovering her new SMV). And men can be forced to pay child support? In your culture? Maybe. I don't know how real…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 11:44 PM
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You mean shift cultural values so that father-Chad becomes less successful with women? Or more responsible. I have no problem with Chads being attractive to women, but the problem is with Chads being irresponsible towards their children. At times they could be at odds, but making Chads responsible for their children(if that is the case, that Chads are responsible for being the deadbeat parents) rather than framing it merely on the woman, or even altogether with cultural shifts that's best. For e…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 11:35 PM
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She has. Those aren't the majority of cases. It's not because women are good and men bad, but because both are average and the man has the most incentive to leave the relationship as it means opting out of parenthood, while that option is not as available to the woman. In most cases(including the ones I know) it is the man being good in the relationship but then not wanting it because of the compromise it means to be a father.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 11:32 PM
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I don't see why we'd assume that beyond you being a simp and trying to avoid what you know is the correct answer because you see you are trapped if you admit it. Oh, no! A random stranger used nerd lingo on me! Lol. Your reading comprehension fails as I explained the why adopt that: a core TRP belief is that Chads take 80% of the market, hence why they(betas) are at a disadvantage and that all women are Stacies that fuck alphas(20%). That premise I didn't create it, it is central to the TRP nega…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 11:30 PM
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But the relationship going bad is mostly on the man's part as they are the one that left. The shared screw-up of having an nonplanned child is on both of them, but it doesn't equate to a major carelessness but rather to a carelessness that turned very bad. The carelessness that lead to having a child are very common. So it's not a major fuck-up, it's a common fuck-up that had major effects. In most cases the relationship wasn't bad but growing and the newfound parenthood made the fathers go away…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 11:12 PM
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> but that's not how education works. Except TRPers state that it's possible. Don't Chads take 80-90% of women? You have the Chad characteristics, so you can target them. Unless the very notion of Chad is flawed. > If you modify the trends in men's behavior, a lot of your efforts will get lost in sexual selection That would be true if the Chad narrative is correct. But you're in a Catch 22. If Chad narrative is true, then you have a single man being responsible for many children, but you also ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 11:09 PM
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I'm going to explain it using animals because your pathological need to absolve women of all responsibilty means you will never allow yourself to followthe simple logic if we continue to discuss humans. BORING. I am not absolving women from responsibility. YOU are absolving men from responsibility, despite hating all the chads. It depends on who are the main reproductive pushers. If of those 1000 males only 200 are the active ones. Then by merely neutering 200 males you have reduced the whole po…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 10:28 PM
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Do you think single motherhood is a societal ill? In my context? More less than in your own, but yes. Trashing single moms isn't meant to help the single moms. The 'hate for single moms' exists so that other women know they should try to avoid becoming single moms. Does that work? Why not instead focus on the culture or the deadbeat dads? The issue is generally not on the mother but on the father. Present and responsible fathers make single motherhood disappear and more importantly, make the ill…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 10:10 PM
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Single motherhood is the issue, everything else is the symptom. Single motherhood refers usually to the absent fathers. Hence that is the issue. Not everything can be men's responsibility What do you mean by everything? We are merely talking about being responsible for your child, which is the actual issue. ''Encourage father's not to be dead beat dads'' is not a solution, because that solution has to be close to 100% effective (which it won't be) in order to have any effect at all. No, it doesn…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 10:06 PM
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The arm broken girl went for the guy because he was hot. So, not because he was a douchebag? the friend zone girl dated good looking guys then complained about being treated bad but then eventually ended up with a rich as hell dude to where she no longer has to work Is she really a 2, then? A 2 should be receiving not much attention, much less so by 9s and 10s. Sure exceptions always exist no one is questioning that what we are saying is that the norm is not these exceptions. The Stacy's with Ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 10:00 PM
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The responsible ones find a way to get a reasonable guarantee on the quality of their boat, or they don't go to sea. Except we are not boats and thus there is no guarantees. Like I said, one could take one sign as a guarantee but it isn't. Boats are simple. Human beings are complex. One should take a reasonable precaution on their boat but storms happen. Good men do bad things, bad men do good things. What? No, women have a risk, the onus is on them, and they are more selective. Women have a ris…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 09:57 PM
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Or encourage fathers to not be dead beats dads. Your social system is not broken because of single mothers, there are single mothers because your social system is broken. Solve the actual issues, not the symptoms.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 09:51 PM
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I disagree that selfishness is inherently unethical and something being ethical means it cannot be selfish. Ethics occurs both by the action and the subjectivity(intentionality mainly). Selfishness means the act while beneficial is not ethical. Selfishness is inherently unethical as it places the individual at the center of decisions and hence makes everyone and everything else a tool for the furthering of the individual. Tell me which criminal acts are not committed due to selfishness. Rape, th…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 09:50 PM
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I am not sure. As I said, it is probably multi-factorial and most analyses would be incomplete. Sociology is hard as there are multiple variables possible. My main point is regardless of that, the individual decision rests on the deadbeat father. Individualism and selfishness are part of the core of the evolving culture, and so they could very well be that. Also, there could be a propagating effect of fatherless children becoming deadbeat fathers and there was a surge of deadbeat fathers as part…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 09:39 PM
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You are correct. I am referring to the group of deadbeat dads. There are dads that are not with the mother and yet take care of their children, I would not have called that a single mother situation, but it is. I correct that. For men that wish to have a family, what incentive do men have to abandon their family? It's easy to name a number of reasons that women have incentives and driving factors to end a marriage and break a family apart, but overwhelming men have disincentives that have only g…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 09:22 PM
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The law would beg to differ. Don't set up a scenario that entirely ignores reality. That makes no sense. It doesn't ignore reality. There are women who murder their children out of their narcissism. The law portrays to practical reasons not ethical, and we are discussing ethics. It's an ethical reality. Get over it. I never said it was ideal, but this is the world that we live in. Yeah.. you're using the word. I don't think you know what it means. Murder is a reality but not an ethical reality a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 09:19 PM
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I did not say having a child was a bad thing and I did not say we should avoid having children. You said it was selfish. It is not. It is actually helpful to others. It is ethical which means it's not selfish unless the motives themselves were so but that's specific to each individual and not the action itself. The action itself is ethical and non-selfish. You aren't a hero to popping out person 7674000001 in the world. You are making the personal decision to have a child to bring into your life…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 09:16 PM
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That's just simply not true, and is a view that suffers from the 'women are wonderful' syndrome. It doesn't. The requirement for being a single mother is the father choosing to be absent. There aren't single mothers were the father is not absent. By definition. Why would men overwhelming abandon their children more than before? Multifactorial, probably. In any case it requires the father choosing to live their child. Otherwise they would be present fathers. Many women, like men, drive these rela…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 09:07 PM
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Having a child is selfish. It is giving life because it's something you want. Having child is an ethical necessity for the propagation of humanity. Wanting to not have children means not allowing humanity to propagate, that is, the annihiliation of humanity. The ideology that posits that we should not have children is unavoidable nihilistic. There are other reason than to merely enrich one's own life. it's ok to be selfish. Every unethical action, every monstruosity, every crime has been done ou…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 09:03 PM
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Then ask yourself: why do these women reject you? It's obviously not a matter of looks. It's not a matter of being nasty or a douchebag either. So ask yourself: why am I being rejected? TRP simplifies things much, but even by its standards, you need to ask yourself and do introspection. When you go "the problem isn't me but everyone else", that's a good sign that you've lost objectivity, as there are people who are not douchebags, are nice guys, and are in stable relationships and have ONS.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 09:00 PM
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So... you're a bad uncle, I would assume.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 08:57 PM
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Of course. That's, after all, the natural way to do things. But that doesn't mean it's disgusting, which was the original comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 08:57 PM
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If you are resentful and angry then you are not objective, you are biased. Biases make us not see things properly. Have you not seen not-douchebags have women falling for them? Douchebaggery is not an attractive trait, but things douchebags do beyond their douchebaggery can be attractive. There are attractive men who are more attractive than douchebags and there are douchebags that aren't attractive. It is a different sphere. Are you attractive? Your level of attractiveness is different than you…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 08:42 PM
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Sounds like they should not have dated douchebags and dated good guys instead. Don't do the crime if you can't take the punishment and this is their punishment for dating a douchebag. Resentful much? As I said in another response, we are complex. The world is not reduced to douchebags and good guys. There are good guys that do douchebagy stuff. In most cases there is no clear cut display of being a douchebag. It is an average women going out with an average guy, getting to know them or something…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 08:17 PM
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If you go on a frail boat in a storm, your mast breaks, and you need to be rescued, you were irresponsible. You are assuming the boat was frail. That is not easily seen. We are very complex and we can be good persons one way and terrible in another. One could be a great boyfriend but when confronted with fatherhood display a terrible partner attitude. I've seen this in many ways. For example, one of my best friends is a serial womanizer but beyond that he's an empathic and good person. Because w…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 08:00 PM
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In what way?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 07:55 PM
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I agree. General culture can be toxic and female-oriented. There pros and cons for both sexes. Most of the time we don't see them as we are focused on our own issues. Having a good sex life is very important, especially in western culture where there is a sex obsession that is very unhealthy for all sexes. She is being irresponsible and selfish and unethical. Not only because leaving her spouse, but also because the effect that has on her children and the family and the community, but also becau…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 07:55 PM
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When they tell me to date them and support them and pay for it all I am pretty sure that is them telling me to clean up their mess. No. That's asking you to fill a void left by an irresponsible man. You are not obliged to. You need to see single moms as people. They don't just want someone to pay the bill, they also want someone to have company, to realize a longing for a family. Which is a pretty natural desire to have. Maybe it is because I grew up lower class but the vast majority of single m…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 07:52 PM
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Is it? That may be your own personal experience, but in mine, the father left long before. Even when the mother wanted them to be together, they father preferred to not be present or very inactive. Why not? It is certainly what an individualistic society teaches.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 06:58 PM
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Being responsibility means taking proper response to your actions. You can be both careless and irresponsible. Single mothers are careless but responsible(hence why they are raising the chid) while absent fathers are both careless and irresponsible. The issue is not blaming men, but rather holding men to be responsible. Blame is inefficient, responsibility is what matters. Your point is incomplete because while there is a genetic bottleneck in ovum vs sperm, there isn't in relation to women and …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 06:27 PM
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No. They take very selective cases of toxic people in order to propagate the idea that the idea their closed communities provide are valid. "See? Women ARE like that"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 05:52 PM
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Huh? I cannot breastfeed anyone. I'm a guy
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 05:50 PM
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It makes sense not to want to date a single mother. It has a lot of baggage one doesn't need to take
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 04:57 PM
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I never stayed you should date single mothers. Nor am I stating you should be objectified. So your response is irrelevant. You did not answer my actual objections, namely the objectification of the child as "another man's seed"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 04:57 PM
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It is not ethical to use a person. There's nothing unethical about being in a relationship with someone who pays the bills, that is the actual normal relationship. Even if I were to concede two wrongs don't make a right. You have to defend your position as ethical What is natural to men? Human nature is a misrepresented idea to justify cultural ideologies in many cases. Taking care of unprotected children and bonding with them is something natural. In any case natural does not mean pathological.…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 04:13 PM
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The strategy is based on selfishness but animals aren't rational and hence not placed in an ethical scale. Dolphins also rape females. A man who rapes a female is unethical and selfish even if a dolphin is just a dolphin. In an equal way, if you perceive the world through a predator's eyes as a human, you are, yes, being narcissistic and unethical. Should we as humans murder the babies of another seed? Is that really how you view the world?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 03:47 PM
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A single case equates to a complete class? I can't say much of that case, but is that a generalized case? I think they only made a single poor life choice which is understandable and relatable, which is, not being sufficiently careful when having sex. As for the rest, they are normal people placed in that context trying their best. Is there a distribution of narcissistic, manipulative people in that? Sure. That's not the group itself but its outliers.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 03:41 PM
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Sure they do but I don't want to have to be the one dealing with someone elses accident and paying for it. You don't. Society does because of very strong ethical reasons that have been so for millenia. TRP cannot present a strong enough ethical argument against it. Society helps the vulnerable. Someone doesn't want because of their selfish, individualist ideology? That's not something to respect, and society still has a duty, which includes members of that society. In a pure individualistic soci…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 03:39 PM
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Hate is a very strong word. I don’t know any decent man IRL that hates or even despises single moms. TRP and IRL are very different contexts. TRP is a somewhat minor and closed community. They live in a constructed society that actually differs from reality. Not unlike what /r/incels were like. If they had gone out to real life they would not have such mental deviations of the opposite sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 03:30 PM
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Their own father can do that Except the father does not care for that. Shit on the father, then. The majority of single mothers chose to separate from their partner. Did they? Can I see your stats? That was the type of man she chose to bear children with. Classic line. I already answered that. There is a variety of reasons. Most of the time they didn't choose to be pregnant so they didn't choose the father. In many cases they were in an actual relationship. You are placing responsibility over th…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 03:28 PM
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Who said you were?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 03:24 PM
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They contribute the least and, they take the most. That would be older people. Should they be called parasites? Also, as I said, it depends on the context. Where I live there's no single mother I know that is costing the public. Yes, in a solidary country there's help for the vulnerable. Children of absent fathers are vulnerable and deserve societal help. The solution to that is not to disparage the mother who is present and sacrificing herself, but the father who is the irresponsible one.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 03:24 PM
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Are single mothers irresponsible? I would say the absent fathers are irresponsible. Single mothers were careless but not irresponsible, as they are actually present and taking responsibility for their actions. They are at a perpetual disadvantage but that's because of the absent father. Therefore, the responsibility should be placed not on the actual person who is being responsible and raising another human being and sacrificing herself, but on the father who left.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 03:21 PM
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But who sees things that way? Perceiving an innocent human child not in virtue of their own being but objectified as being "another man's seed" is itself pathological and very narcissistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 03:17 PM
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Projection much? Single moms I know aren't having wild sex with chads(your worst fear). They were in relationship with men who when confronted with fatherhood left. They weren't getting creampied by cavemen and yelling "I'm a slut, daddy". They are normal people. Yes, society protects the vulnerable, which includes the kid. No, you don't have to pay for sexual escapades. Your contribution is minor. Society protects the vulnerable children so as to raise their quality of life decreased by the irr…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 03:14 PM
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Sure. In that case there's no issue. I refer to the TRPers who have resentment against them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 03:08 PM
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Single mothers are selfish. They destroy their children. There is a reason why most prisoners come from single mother households. How so? If they were selfish, why even have a child, why even sacrifice their own lives to raise another human being? Those aren't the actions of a selfish person. The selfishness comes from the absent father. What is destroying(probably, as the road is not walked and so not fixed) those lives could be easily attributed to absent fathers and not the mothers themselves…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 03:08 PM
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Statistics show very clearly that children raised by single mothers (probably single parents in general) turn out worse. Murder is not an option. The argument that they should be killed(which is what's implied) is not an ethical argument and so not an ethical possibility. What makes single mothers single mothers is because the father is absent. And since women have unilateral control over whether those children were ever born in the first place, they are more responsible for creating this societ…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 03:03 PM
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You have no knowledge of the case I'm talking about, so your disbelief is merely biased and irrelevant to reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 03:01 PM
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I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 03:06 AM
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What I would absorb by osmosis would actually be a modern culture that favours abortion. That's my general culture. I have thought of the issue long and hard, have changed position 4 times(which is more than most have changed about any topic), and so I think I am very rational and justified in this. It is abortion because it is a human being. It is an evolving human being, but our ethics and morality are predicated on the inherent worth of human beings. We can open the can of worms in relation t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 03:06 AM
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That's the thing: why should a woman's disadvantage be a man's problem to shoulder? Usually, people's (and other animals') disadvantages are their own problems. It depends. Pure individualism is unethical and not inherent to any society. We help the vulnerable, especially if that vulnerability comes from an external action. Blaming a woman for the irresponsibility of the man is like not helping a widow because her man did not have insurance or something like that. Also remember that generally th…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 03:03 AM
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Huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 02:49 AM
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Do they? Do you mean bail on the relationship with their man? In my experience it is vastly the other way around. It is the men who bail. Women don't want to be single mothers, but men don't want to be fathers either, which means most men make an easy decision of leaving the relationship and with it the responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 02:49 AM
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I understand. As I said, I would not advocate dating single mothers for most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 02:48 AM
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Not sure. I am liberal, reject most conservative tenets, but value and understand some things. For example, I am quite liberal in my sexuality but do think that the TRPer strategy of looking for a virgin for marriage is actually the most compatible way to live one's sexuality as while being precocious is fun it's also damaging. I am highly religious(in the broadest sense of the word), while I reject classical theism.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 02:47 AM
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But these men are not common in my opinion, and this isn't the reason why most men won't date single mothers, which are far more practical. Those men are the bulk of TRPer in my experience. A healthy male that is attractive and has a general good relationship with the opposite sex wouldn't dream of TRP. Even if they may uphold some of its values or beliefs, they wouldn't be TRpers. There are exceptions, of course, but most TRpers I've found are resentful. Why they are resentful is a bit obvious(…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 02:45 AM
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Okay, so? They raise their children. That's what you're supposed to do when you decide to have them. According to whom? It is an ethical, conscious and constant choice. Making an ethical, conscious and constant choice that involves your own struggling and sacrificing is the very definition of nobility. Are you saying they can abandon or murder them with equal ease? Such ethics! So saintly! Much wow!!!! They can just abandon them. If they were the narcissistic monsters TRPers portray them to be. …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 02:40 AM
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> It's not a fantasy idea. Plenty of women will tell you about their hoe phase or their exploring sexuality phase--it's not some boogeyman that the manosphere randomly created. Many people have a slut phase, including men. That is not the same as AF/BB. AF/BB carries a particular specific ethical connotation beyond smart choices. > However, I will say that men court and women choose, so being a single mother is also the fault of the woman (the man holds more blame though). I'm also not going to …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 02:36 AM
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Because as men are not entitled to sex, women are not entitled to their resources, time, nor commitment. Who's arguing they are? Because a woman can say a man is not a suitable partner due to anything like his lack of height, looks, behavior, attitude, wealth etc, a man can say no for any reason of which includes kids that are not his. Of course they can. Who's saying they can't? Due to Feminism, women are strong and independent. Women have every opportunity to work and provide for themselves an…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 02:34 AM
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I never had sex without a condom, because of that i lost some opportunities to get laid. So, no carelessness at all? Take that context out. We're taking about general carelessness. Never been careless? You would be on the minority and we should not judge the average human because of rare presumed exceptions. Is an unwanted pregnancy careless? Yes. Is it that different to the general carelessness present in our lives? Not really, it just happens that the consequences were much greater in that rus…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 02:33 AM
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Why? Because they are at a disadvantage that will ultimately fall on you, whether that's financial or with time or whichever. Children take serious responsibility(and single mothers perform them everyday) and in a relationship that will affect creating more responsibility to the man, who may not want that responsibility. I never said that it did. That is the overall impression(including mine) of how TRPers perceive women, especially single mothers. Because the onus of control with pregnancy is n…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 02:28 AM
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Because they're required to be by law, until the law takes one of them away. Depending on the context and the law. Most single mothers stay because they love their children, because of their own moral and ethical values. Well, you can't really get fired as a parent unless you do something illegal, and the CPS is pretty terrible at managing at-risk family situations. We don't afford children as much care as they need, which is big problem. The greatest problem with single mother households is not…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 02:23 AM
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I don't see this disproportionate to not wanting to date someone for any other reason, e.g, obesity or height. People are discriminatory in how they date, and I think it should be the one place they are allowed to be That's fine. Again, I am not criticizing a reason for not wanting to date one. I wouldn't want to date one. Nothin wrong there. The problem is the general view and resentment prevalent in that community that transforms a single mother into something quite else. I think this comes fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 02:20 AM
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1.- Yes, there is hate and resentment. Maybe not from you, but from many in TRP, yes. There IS general resentment towards women there(which in many cases it's justified), let's not pretend TRPers cannot be toxic or resentful. 2.- Why? What is so disgusting about giving a fatherless child a future and a home? If that's what you call disgusting, then your own philosophy is disgusting AND unethical. 3.- It shows a lack of sufficient sexual safety at one point, yes. Nothing strange about that. How m…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 02:16 AM
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How is that relevant? Sure.... no one in TRP is toxic.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 02:13 AM
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He's not a simp. In fact, he's what would actually in TRP would count as alpha. Sought by high status women, works out, is actually a TRPer(read all of Rollo's books), great financial stability, etc... Why would anyone with any kind of non-ideological sense label that person a "simp"? Accidents happen because of carelessness. That doesn't make them accidents. As I said, unwanted pregnancies are carelessness. Carelessness is something pervasive in humans, and being in a sexual modes changes how y…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 02:13 AM
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Single mothers are the epitome of AF/BB In a fantasy idea, maybe. I am not convinced of it. There are many TRP phrases that are sold as wise psychology when they are just limited perceptions that frequently get distorted and so many believe women are like vicious creatures who are seeking to fuck them over, etc... Nah, dude, they are just people. Are there shitty people? Yes. Not only women. But are there good people as well? Yes. But TRPers will think that they are inherently vicious because of…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 02:09 AM
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No wanting to date single mothers is generally a smart choice. That doesn't make them irresponsible dick carrousel hoarders who are seeking to vampire beta men in order to fuck Chad. Most are quite average women. Most single mothers I've seen are average women. Actually taking responsibility for the child but yes, struggling because of an absentee father. Why doesn't TRPer shit on those absentee fathers?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 02:04 AM
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Yes. That's a pathological way to see it as you are placing yourself as the center of it. In most of the cases the new man wasn't present, so it makes little sense to be hung up on someone having sex with another when you weren't even in the picture. Also, most single moms I know recognize that need and are willing to give the other man a child if they find him suitable long-term. In any case, I agree that there are reasons that are obstacles when dating a single mother, and someone can make the…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 02:02 AM
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There's a difference in not dating or preference over non-single mothers, which is understandable, and the thing very prevalent in TRP community. As I said in another post, compare single mothers with a granny of 80 years old. TRPers wouldn't date the granny, but would not create lots of posts against 80-year-old grannies. That's because the issue is not a simple "would not date", but an actual toxicity and resentment.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 01:57 AM
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There' a difference between would not date and how many TRPers actively see single mothers. It is a thing in the community. It's not just a matter of not dating. They wouldn't date older women as well but they don't make constant posts disparaging older women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 01:56 AM
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What do you mean by it? Most single mothers I know do a job as a mother(which although not the hardest job is a hard job and a vital one) and in other places. They carry weight but that's not their weight it's the absentee father. They are creating a void which needs to be filled and in most cases the mother cannot fill it on her own. That's not being parasitic, that's being vulnerable because children require things and there's an absent father.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 01:55 AM
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Having been constantly told by society that single moms are "heroes" and other such nonsense. They raise children. They take an ethical choice every day to be mothers despite its hardship and despite the incompetence. That's heroic in itself, notwithstanding the rest. Ditching responsibility would have been having an abortion or simply not taking care of their child. Most single mothers are actually responsible mothers, in my experience. The lousy irresponsible mothers are, I think, the minority…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 01:53 AM
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That's up for debate. I've seen both sides of the spectrum where they're either doing a great job raising functional and successful kids, feeding them but otherwise not being a good parent, or just being a shitty parent overall while doing the bare minimum because their life comes first. In such a case, why are they even present? That's like saying being at a job and doing a bad job in it. Yes, but you go to work every day. Those are still fulfilling a basic role as a mother and so not ditching …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 01:49 AM
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The disgust some men feel. But I don't think it's really about the child but about the woman. There's resentment, and there's no resentment towards the child.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 01:48 AM
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Well, an abortion would be killing his kid, but yes, this is what I mean. Not to remove the responsibility on the mother, but most single mothers ARE fulfilling their responsibility even though they are single(even if that is a more negative than a proper household) mothers, and that deserves merit while there are many things that decrease the level of responsibility. I don't know any female friend or relative who I could not imagine they got pregnant while not wanting it, and that wouldn't make…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 12:52 AM
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