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Your justification is that you want her number.
/r/seduction29/11/12 07:45 PM
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Theres a bit in Mark Mansons "models" where he talks about his friend who's favorite line was "hey, can I pee in your butt?" Which occasionally, worked, so manson says he tried it the next time he was out to a bunch of girls "hey, can I pee in your butt?, can I pee in [i]your[/i] butt?" ect. Except the reason I worked is because its communicating, "this is who [b]I am[/b] and I don't give a fuck". For manson who was just using it as a "line" it didn't work so well.
/r/seduction29/11/12 07:39 PM
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Dont take this the wrong way but I'm laughing so hard at this cause its such a bizarrely specific problem. I'm imagining that every time you hit on a girl the same fucking guy turns up. But yeah, don't get antagonstic or let him rattle you, he's putting on a show so, play along.
/r/seduction29/11/12 07:36 PM
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"well "maybe" means no. I don't want to do this unless you're excited about it". Then try something else later. Chasing up a flimsy "maybe" like its your last lifeline just makes you look needy.
/r/seduction29/11/12 07:13 PM
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Do something creative. paint, write, whatever I barely get intermittent internet and no tv in the place I live and its one of the best moves I made.
/r/seduction29/11/12 07:04 PM
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The central problem with online dating I've encountered is that in real life, you can tell in like 30 seconds whether or not someones attracted to you. Online, you end up wasting a lot of time.
/r/seduction29/11/12 06:56 PM
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"in person"... she an internet date? You might have to call her old school style.
/r/seduction16/11/12 11:21 AM
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I know this is really immature and spiteful, but I hope her new relationship ends badly.... Not even sure if I could be in a relationship with her after the mindfuck she's put me through. It's messy. She didn't "put you through" anything, you made the decision to hang around her and get "mindfucked" yourself. You saw the train coming and you made the decision to stand in front of it.
/r/seduction15/11/12 01:05 PM
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His facial structure was more genetically comparable/he reminded her of her ex boyfriend/she thought his smile was cuter/he did or said something more exciting/any number of factors you're not going to guess in a million years, so don't bother Work on the things you can control and forget the ones you can't. Don't compare your successes to his
/r/seduction15/11/12 09:14 AM
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If you're trying to "act" assertive for appearances and worrying if you're doing it wrong you're already coming at it from the wrong angle.
/r/seduction14/11/12 07:16 PM
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Yes but you're best off having the confidence to put it in words. It changes your mindset.
/r/seduction14/11/12 02:36 PM
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Just straight up telling her you want to have sex can be a powerful kind of escalation if you do it right. That said the OP is trying to get this girl to cheat so - fuck him.
/r/seduction14/11/12 02:11 PM
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There isn't really a trick, its just mental barrier you have to get through. I think most modern guys have unpacked preconceptions about sex being "wrong" somehow , just honestly stop and ask yourself what makes the idea of being sexual so daunting. Then break though it, she wont mind. (or maybe she will, but you can deal) Something to keep in mind though, the best time to get sexual is after SHE'S put in the effort to get to know you, not after YOUve put in the effort of putting out your best l…
/r/seduction14/11/12 08:23 AM
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adviceneed I've seen alot of [FR]s lately where the guy says the stupidest shit or barely says anything, and not only does he not get shot down once but he gets all the way to f-close seemingly doing nothing. That's because you can sometimes say the stupidest shit and still get laid. You're in less control of the outcome than you probably think you are.
/r/seduction13/11/12 01:19 PM
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You're trying to work out what you did wrong, but its entirely possible you did nothing wrong, and regardless of what you did/said she still wouldn't have fucked you, for whatever reason. If theres anything you could possible change its to be a bit more assertive/aggressive but thats about it, I wouldn't bend myself in knots trying to figure out what was going on in her head.
/r/seduction13/11/12 10:28 AM
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Being aloof isn't alpha, its trying to protect your ego against rejection. Its pointless as well because women aren't dumb, most of the time they can pick up on when you're attracted to them, and when you go about it in an obtuse, game playing way it just communicates that you're a guy with hang ups about his desires and relationships. Part of the power of being vulnerable is it communicates you are high value by showing that you don't bullshit around about your feelings, or live your life tryin…
/r/seduction12/11/12 09:53 AM
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Are you communicating VERBALLY? You talk a lot about physical escalation but how comfortable you talking to a woman and telling her that/how/why you want to fuck her?
/r/seduction10/11/12 07:39 PM
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He said what was on his mind and stuck by it and defined the relationship he wanted. Sure he could have taken her out on a dinner date, pulled a bunch of routines and fucked her eventually (convincing himself that that he "achieved" it via the routines) but as it stands he got what he wanted. I firmly believe "seduction" in the sense of turning a girl who doesent like you into one that does is a myth. The only real skill is in expressing yourself clearly.
/r/seduction08/11/12 09:00 AM
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Agreed, put simply: use subjective language, avoid objective.
/r/seduction08/11/12 08:52 AM
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Wow that sounds like a totally fun and consentual encounter and not at all desperate or rapey.
/r/seduction08/11/12 08:02 AM
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Eye contact is slightly weird in clubs since its such a close environment and sustained eye contact is basically a "hey come talk to me" invitation. So I think most people will reflexively look away unless they're definitely checking you out.
/r/seduction04/11/12 07:24 PM
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Some conversations start small. Talking about your majors isn't fascinating but the important thing is just the act of talking and getting confortable. The topic.barely matters, its just a launching point to whereever it goes next. I mean her major could have been interesting, or weird, or might have led to a totally different topic. But you presumed it wouldn't be interesting so now you don't know.
/r/seduction04/11/12 02:14 PM
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No, don't check out until you're 100 certain. I used to be terrible at this. If you're running out of material it may be good to re revaluate whether you're relying on canned stuff too much. If you're drawing her into the conversation then she should be holding up her end, you don't want to get into the dynamic of being the one sided "entertainer".
/r/seduction03/11/12 06:15 PM
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I can't watch vids where I am but if it matches the description it probably is. I remember he says "loud people don't scare people, quiet people scare people" which stuck with me as its very true. You don't have to use hi if you don't want to, say excuse me or whatever makes YOU comfortable. It's not an important factor as you may think is my point, when you're in the proper mindset you should ultimately just feel comfortable with whatever is appropriate to you (providing its not vaugely confron…
/r/seduction02/11/12 08:48 PM
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What I'm trying to say is that vibe, attitude and general body language are more important than any specific line, they will shine through and colour whatever comes out of your mouth. I don't know how I'd put that in terms of a step by step formula though... To try and put it into tangible context I remember seeing a thing with Wayne Elise once you could probably find on YouTube where he had a guy practice coming up to him again and again and just saying "hi I'm mark" or whatever. The little tel…
/r/seduction02/11/12 08:27 PM
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You don't need a "clever" way. You're not trying to trick her.
/r/seduction02/11/12 07:51 PM
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It strikes me though that if you have a problem with saying "hi" and even being noticed, then the issue is something much more fundemental than the specific words coming out of your mouth. That's what needs focus, not the line. I've heard (and kinda agree with) the notion that the first few words you say to someone barely even matter, people are too busy scanning your body language/vibe for your intentions.
/r/seduction02/11/12 07:40 PM
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I don't mind if it doesent get peoples attention every single time because I'm going for quality of interactions over quantity. Of course, your situation/goals may differ, but I can only share what works for me.
/r/seduction02/11/12 07:14 PM
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Also you say that only "friendly people in a good mood" will respond to a simple "hi" but personally id prefer not to talk to jerks in a bad mood. So it works out for me either way. Remember, polarization works both ways, you want to be filtering THEM as they filter you. If they don't want to respond to an attractive guy saying hi then fine, they've just saved me a lot of time and effort.
/r/seduction02/11/12 06:45 PM
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The mindset of "gotta impress/entertain/have the perfect line" it stresses you out and leads to coming across as try-hard. It subcommunicates that you don't believe you're good enough as-is. (im not trying to project on you, personally here, just saying that for me this is the kind of thinking I prefer to kill dead, so no trying to think up the perfect opener.) In my mind, a good place to start is walking up to her in a confident manner that says "hey, here I am, take a good look at me" saying h…
/r/seduction02/11/12 06:37 PM
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"hi" will get someone's attention if its delivered with strong body language. Thinking that you need a perfect speil before someone will even pay attention to you is working from the wrong mindset.
/r/seduction02/11/12 06:10 PM
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Read mark mansons stuff. He's very anti scripts
/r/seduction02/11/12 06:01 PM
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That whole "stop right there" bit would immediately put me on the defensive if I heard it on the street.
/r/seduction02/11/12 05:28 AM
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Those tips are like 90 percent bullshit and 10 stuff that's true but common knowledge. If he wants to make fun of them who cares.
/r/seduction01/11/12 08:02 PM
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The whole "...I HAD to come and talk to you" bit sounds a bit cheesy and forced. The kind of thing that would begin to sound less and less sincere as you use it on every girl. Why did you "have" to go talk to her? Was there a sniper trained on you? It's a bit weak in that you're blaming her for being sooo pretty you couldn't walk away, rather than taking responsibility for your own initiative. "I wanted to talk to you" is stronger and you can tailor it better to the situation.
/r/seduction01/11/12 09:38 AM
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Ericdisco already gave the best answer to this but to add something: Asking can be fun if you do it right. I remember asking a girl if I could kiss her once fairly on in a date. She laughed and said no. But I knew at that point she was probably going to say no I was just asking because I knew it wasn't going to make her run away screaming and I wanted the sexual tension. We hung out for a few more hours and then I got the kiss. Asking can be very powerful as long as its from a position of streng…
/r/seduction01/11/12 09:29 AM
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Rotate your wrists outwards slightly, it pushes your shoulders back which in turn pushes your Chest forward and posture up.
/r/seduction01/11/12 09:04 AM
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The friendzone dynamic (have low self worth>demonstrate low value>don't get respected) happens to women too. The main difference is, guys get rejected before sex, women get rejected AFTER the guys had sex with them, but doesent respect them. But its the same basic dynamic.
/r/seduction01/11/12 08:59 AM
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You have to take that trait at character creation sorry. Better reroll.
/r/seduction01/11/12 08:50 AM
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"So Seddit, should i just give one more try? Or fuck it, and forget her (no matter how hard it is), meet new people, and try with other people?" Both. Meet more women and either: a) you'll get better at dealing with women and your newfound confidence will help with her. or b) you'll forget her entirely. Win win.
/r/seduction27/10/12 05:10 PM
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Just tell them who you are. Deflecting everything with a joke or line isn't neccisarry and can come off as try hard it needy.
/r/seduction26/10/12 06:28 AM
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Its not your "nice"ness in itself thats repelling women. Its some other quality thats possibly intertwined with it. Ask yourself, why are you "nice"? Are you nice to avoid conflict? Are you nice because you need people to like you? How does being "too nice" manifest itself? Niceness isn't a turn off at all as long as it comes from a position of strength.
/r/seduction25/10/12 01:41 PM
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If you're going to tease a girl you ought to be prepared to tease yourself/be teased back. This ought to be disarming and FUN, not an way to prove your dominance or something.
/r/seduction22/10/12 10:41 AM
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I'm assuming that youre sending out messages: Read her profile, then write an opinion or a one liner or whatever referencing something from it. Thats it. Just read it in what you imagine her voice to be then imagine what you would say next if it was an irl conversation. Dont write too much. 1 to 2 paragraphs. Cut out any fluff like: "I just ran across your profile and..." or "...hope to hear back from you" or "care to chat?" or whatever, just get to the point. Dont write generic messages. "hi" "…
/r/seduction10/10/12 10:32 AM
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Don't be afraid to push the conversation a bit until she opens up. "blah blah blah I'm here studying whatever" before you ask "what are you studying"
/r/seduction17/09/12 06:47 AM
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Say hello.
/r/seduction16/09/12 05:11 PM
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I was hanging with a girl a while back and she told me she'd been to the park that day and NINE GUYS had taken her number. She had no intention of replying to any of them, she'd just given it to them so they'd go away. She showed me the texts they'd sent too, they were all variations of "hey whats up" "hi" "hi hows it going" ect
/r/seduction16/09/12 10:29 AM
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my two cents: I think there is nothing wrong, in theory, with the idea of improving social skills and particularly learning to get better of women. I do think in practice that the nature of a closed community means a lot of bad or weird advice often ends up getting mixed in. So I can definitely see the "puzzle box" criticism as being valid in some situations. Not all pickup advice is like this, but there are certain kinds that you ought to watch out for. Like, there was a thread a week or so ago…
/r/seduction16/09/12 10:19 AM
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Not very, and also pretty creepy. e: for content, Derren Brown the mentalist talks a bit about it in his book. He says that NLP practitioners like to point at him and his "mind control" tricks as being examples of NLP in action, but every event or piece of literature he's seen of it is total junk. Some NLP society apparently sends him a letter renewing his "membership" every year without him asking.
/r/seduction14/09/12 03:15 PM
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In theory, it pays to be expressive and talk in terms of feelings rather than facts In practice, that's a bad example. There's no solid point to the story and the constant "you, you, you" is projecting too many assumptions. The stuff about opening up a lock sounds like a nlp routine which is both creepy and bullshit. If you want to get a better idea of how to give your stories q strong emotional core your best bet isn't from a book, its to listen closely to how women themselves talk.
/r/seduction14/09/12 09:09 AM
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I disagree, Self respect is binary, its either a matter of acting like you have it (and thus, having it) or not. Its not a matter of "building it up". If you put off going for the things you want until you have "enough" you've just given yourself a reason to put off doing it forever.
/r/seduction13/09/12 10:25 AM
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Eye contact, only look like you might leave the group UNTIL you get invited in via body language, that shouldn't be more than a minute. You wont get invited in at all if your eye contact isn't steady and trustworthy. You should always be leaning back because that's just good posture.
/r/seduction12/09/12 03:16 PM
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I had to look up what "phase method" was and it turns out its a mystery method thing, brr. If thats the case then yeah, I must be explaining myself poorly because that's not what I mean at all. Let me reassess. Ok, so contrary to how I interpreted it, you say you ARE presenting yourself and your intentions as sexual, great. You say are having problems with: Well, the whole point of the question was that -- I dont know when to take control. I suppose it's fear of rejection. Thats a problem. Being…
/r/seduction11/09/12 03:50 PM
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seddit is full of cocky/funny style advice which, without the proper context, I think often misses the point. Look at at this way, from her perspective, a guy who "plows through" and continually thrusts his dick at her acting totally blind to her feelings and/or her situation is bad news. Even if she is willing to ditch her boyfriend (not a given) a guy who goes about things this way is still a bull in the china shop of her life/relationships, shes not going to let him in, he's got no subtlety a…
/r/seduction11/09/12 09:01 AM
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nope, i aint good with no fancy multi syllable words
/r/seduction10/09/12 06:11 PM
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Yep, rapport is mega important. But you gotta define what KIND of rapport. If you ask for a girls number without being clear about what it is you're getting it for she'll probably give it to you, but she'll be thinking "ok what does this guy want? Does he just want to be friends? Is he interested in me? Probably. But why wasn't he clear about it?" You want to answer that question as early in the relationship as reasonably possible. You want to ask her out and be clear that it is a DATE, not a ma…
/r/seduction10/09/12 05:54 PM
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Rapport building is a waste of time, there isn't a "minimum" level of rapport at which point you can garuntee that she's going to be interested. and the more time you spend giving off friend vibes, the more abrupt and dishonest/weedy it feels when you suddenly switch to sex vibes. You should start picking up as soon as you know enough about her to know that shes worth picking up, that is to say, as soon as she has done or said something you find interesting/cool/sexy that is your cue to start hi…
/r/seduction10/09/12 05:32 PM
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How are you esculating? How are you "following up"? WHEN are you esculating?
/r/seduction10/09/12 12:38 PM
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"I have a boyfriend" is a red light, you should not be a guy who obliviously plows through red lights. Back off with the flirting, go to "oh thats cool, how long have you been together?" ect, don't let it rattle you, remember AT THIS POINT you are not hitting on her. Just making conversation. If she then goes on to say how he's unavailable, long distance whatever, thats a green light.
/r/seduction10/09/12 09:11 AM
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This sounds like one of those things where what works for one person may not for another. It depends entirely on what the qualities are about your friend that women find attractive.
/r/seduction09/09/12 09:17 PM
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I've never tried fetlife but just from my experience with "freaky" people your motto has got to be "go hard or go home"
/r/seduction09/09/12 09:08 PM
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As far as big questions though this is a pretty huge one. As far as "do girls have an easier time getting sex" though, I'm gonna say yes and no. The thing many guys seem to miss is that although girls have a much bigger range of guys that will fuck them, its also a lot harder for them to get turned on by just any guy, and casual sex is more dangerous (both physically and to her social reputation) So yeah, a girl could go into any bar she wanted and pick a random guy and have awful, embarrassing,…
/r/seduction09/09/12 08:54 PM
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How do people breed in Belgium then? I assume you've managed alright for the last few hundred years.
/r/seduction09/09/12 08:23 PM
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right
/r/seduction09/09/12 08:17 PM
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Being engaging is the goal, not being interesting. You don't need to know a shittonne about a subject to engage about it, you just need to know enough to get her talking about it. Then once shes talking about herself, that's your opportunity to hit on her. It should not be: (you) "blah blah blah, listen to how interesting I am. blah blah. So...you wanna make out?" It should be: (you) "blah blah blah and that's me, but what do you think?" (her) "blah blah blah blah" (you) "Oh man, you're really i…
/r/seduction09/09/12 08:12 PM
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I'd say "smile and agree to show that you don't give a fuck" but I think a bigger issue is that if you're CONSISTENTLY getting this reaction then I suspect something is incongruous in the way you're approaching that makes people react this way.
/r/seduction09/09/12 08:08 PM
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Its no big deal. As much as you may feel like it rarely is it one bad move that kills everything.
/r/seduction09/09/12 07:59 PM
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The text was enough, if she wants to get back to you, she will. Chasing her up at this point can only be seen as clingyness.
/r/seduction09/09/12 04:12 PM
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You have a really fragile ego.
/r/seduction09/09/12 03:42 PM
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Dont use compliments like that, they sound insincere and try hard. Rather try "I like..." Its really that simple: "I like your (x)", "I like the way you said that", "I like you".
/r/seduction09/09/12 03:38 PM
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Thats true for every woman though, over eagerness is a killer regardless of what "type" of girl she is. Thats why generalizing and catagozing and worrying about "types" is a counterproductive waste of time. Focus on yourself and your needs and your type will find you.
/r/seduction09/09/12 03:18 PM
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Dangerous how? That doesn't sound rare or dangerous, it sounds like many of the women I know/have known. Whats "dangerous" about someone whose easygoing and nice?
/r/seduction09/09/12 02:20 PM
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1: who cares 2: replace "PUA" with "certain brands of PUA" (cough MM) and he's totally right on all points.
/r/seduction07/09/12 01:43 PM
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Seconding this. MM is terrible.
/r/seduction07/09/12 01:22 PM
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Ok firstly I hate the whole HBX thing to begin with. But why are you hitting on, much less dissecting a conversation with a girl you describe as a "6"? If you don't think shes hot don't bother. Secondly: "you get an F for responding to messages" No, bad. Both needy and pushy. If you contact her again start a totally new conversation topic. In fact the whole strategy reeks of neediness, "tricks" like responding slower each time won't magically make her more attracted to you In this whole conversa…
/r/seduction07/09/12 01:10 PM
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Stop trying to be interesting, stop trying to be funny. Not that these aren't good things, but its paralyzing and exhausting trying to think of "witty" things to say. And its rooted in a sense of low self-value, believing that no one can like you unless you're trying to perform. Sharing, learning about each other, these things are valuable in themselves. Learn how to talk about the things you care about in an engaging way and people will share in turn. Have you ever seen improv comedy? Improv co…
/r/seduction07/09/12 12:50 PM
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Eye contact and body language, but mainly eye contact. I get frustrated with my voice too as its quite deep and gets lost. BUT then I realised that wasn't actually what the problem is. When you look at someone there is a set of body language that says "I am here to talk to YOU." If people don't feel like you're talking directly to them, they ignore you. When you master this you'll be able to communicate a message effectively in half as many words. *look people dead in the eye on approach *smile …
/r/seduction07/09/12 12:33 PM
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" Realised that you have to totally change your game when you are dealing with a really attractive girl that get a lot of attention everywhere she goes. SO basically what happened couple weeks ago (after everything was doing very well) was that I kind of became needy." The only difference between super hot girls and average girls is that super hot girls are really used to guys acting dumb and weird around them, so they're hyper attuned to neediness. You haven't got to totally change your game, y…
/r/seduction07/09/12 12:20 PM
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