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Who are all the young women dating? Pete Davidson? West Elm Caleb? Nobody seems entirely sure what the reason for the giant relationship gap is but the most popular theory is that young women are more likely to be dating older men. Which is the obvious conclusion but is ignored by the writer, which is a shame. I mean...West Elm Caleb was an earlier iteration in the public consciousness of "Are we dating the same guy?" groups. Why is the "obvious conclusion" necessarily anything but the concentra…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/02/23 09:00 AM
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Wow, as a man, the idea that a woman would think of sending an unsolicited pussy pic out of revenge is staggering. Is this really how confused women are about dick pics?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/21 12:05 AM
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However, someone who’s extremely likable and an overall good person yet has a much more smaller net worth (it’s still a successful person but of course nowhere near to the level of Musk) would be Keanu Reeves. In red pill circles, Elon would be seen as what red pillers should aspire to be, while Keanu would be seen as “blue pilled”. You are screwing up a lot of definitions here. You should get a good handle on those before you start posting. Both Elon Musk and Keanu Reeves are high value on the …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/21 07:54 PM
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Exactly. He is going for the women high in SMV and then complains about the "leverage" they have over him Where does he say he's only going for high SMV women? It looks like he's claiming that women in general have more sexual value than men in general do. A lot of incels are funny if you think about it, they have traits that are low in demand but demand traits that are high in demand from women. A young thin woman with no kids is not their SMV match. Incels don't really have an SMV match in tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 06:50 PM
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How about you stop going after women in the peak of their smv (20s)? Because biologically, that's where your best bet of successfully bringing a child to term lies, even with modern medicine. I would know. I'm my mother's only living child after like 4 miscarriages. It's not a random occurrence that women's highest smv value is in thier 20's. And remember, back in the days of yore when women were apparently crushed under the jackboot of patriarchy, infant mortality was way higher than it is now …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 03:07 PM
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I was single for over 1.5 years I love how you're saying this like it's a long time or something lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 11:41 PM
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It always strikes me as funny when the left seethes about income and structural inequality but just outright denies this concept applies to dating. Women and bloops slip right into the exact same right-wing talking points used against the poor and minorities when it comes to dating. It's incredible.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 06:16 PM
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Let men choose their path without a script. Just give them a warning about the shit they will face. This won't happen because the normies don't really accept that the reality of unsuccessful people exists. It's unfathomable to them that simply taking a shower and being yourself doesn't work for everybody.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 05:46 PM
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Yeah... I said... Actual rape. As in.... The videos in which the actresses are consensually performing sex, tap out or yell to stop, and it doesn't. How do you know that men are more into this than women are? I have never knowingly seen one of these (or know anyone who has,) so I honestly would be interested if you had any evidence. ​ Men don't usually like violent porn as far as, like whips and beatings and BDSM, that's more women. They like the stuff that's like, facial abuse, anal, etc, in wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/20 05:51 PM
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My main point is that the absolute most fucked up kinks that very much harm real people are male dominated. ​ The issue is that women get off to fantasy... Men are the ones getting off to actual rape, But...they literally actually aren't though. Didn't you look at the evidence showing the exact opposite of what you're claiming? The issue with any studies on women's porn consumption, however, is that unlike men it does not at all reflect the majority of women. Even if most women don't consume por…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/20 05:19 PM
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Why are men almost the sole consumers of snuff and actual human torture? Morbid curiosity? Women apparently love True Crime and stories about serial killers. But that doesn't mean women are orgasming to being killed. But a lot of women do seem to be sexually interested in rape and violent domination in a way men just aren't. Here's a survey breaking down fetishes by gender most interested in them and things like rape, choking, cutting, maledom, sadism, masochism, and heavy bondage ALL trend fema…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/20 04:46 PM
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that men like. That's the thing. "Men" as a group don't necessarily like any of it. They mostly do it because they either assume (or are told) it's what women like.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/20 04:08 PM
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The entire point of those women in porn-for-males "faking enjoyment" is that men want the woman to enjoy having sex with them. And, as a corollary, the most likely reason that "rough sex" has begun to filter into mainstream porn is because men are beginning to realize that a lot of women enjoy rough sex and the meta fantasy of porn is not about fucking some hot chick, but about being the type of guy that hot chicks love to fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/20 12:22 PM
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As someone who heavily snores and feels awful about it, I appreciate you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/19 04:02 AM
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But over time it’ll get easier and easier for you until one day you’re thinking “4 miles is nothing”. What OP is really talking about is the double standard. I agree that you don't need to be witty specifically, although you do need to be socially adroit. The issue is that women do not have to meet this standard of social skill (whatever it may be) in order to attract men and successfully participate in dating, sex and relationships. To say to someone on the wrong side of an unfair double standa…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/19 09:11 AM
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If you're applying for jobs and constantly getting knocked back, you're punching above your weight, yeah. Or maybe it's a recession. The economy was so bad ten years ago that a lot high powered career people and highly educated graduates had to resort to delivering pizzas and making lattes because even shotgunning thier resume out to every grown-up job they could find wasn't enough to get any call backs. Sometimes the situation is just difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/19 08:19 AM
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Do you have any sources to back up your claim that 90% of relationship setups are not LTRs? Perhaps, I'm not being very clear. If we think about human courtship as a process or a journey, a LTR is only a single destination, one of several possible endpoints. By only focusing on whether or not LTR happens, we are missing 90% of the context, the entire process of courtship and all of the other possible outcomes. If you're taking a roadtrip, making it to the destination is important but what happen…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/19 05:47 PM
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I'm specifically talking about LTRs. Which means that you're ignoring 90% of what human mating is to support (what appears to be) your opinion that women are not privileged in the dating market. A LTR is one out of many possible endpoints to the entire complex of human courtship, and not even a really convincing case for your argument since, as you note (and then promptly dismiss as it doesn't align with your mathematical possibilities,) a convenient, monogamous 1:1 scenario is far from a rock s…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/19 03:24 PM
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First of all it's very vague. How many are "a lot of average weight dues". "A lot" meaning that women, in general, (including fat ones) are almost always going to have better prospects than men, in general, despite what is implied by the cultural narrative that fat women suffer unique social consequences for thier weight. Said another way, fat women are at a disadvantage, but only in comparison to other women. They still blow men out of the water as a rule. Like comparing a poor kid in the Unite…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/19 10:03 AM
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Most involuntary celibates, foreveralones and involuntary virgins are men. Celibacy and datelessness is not evenly distributed between the genders. Whether or not couples looksmatch is not the issue. It's not a question of whether fat girls are ending up with fit guys. It's that the number of fat girls that struggle to participate in the market at all is absolutely dwarfed by the number of men (fat and otherwise) that struggle to participate at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/19 09:28 AM
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For casual sex and relationships. Women have better average potential at participating in the mating market across the board.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/19 09:00 AM
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I'm an insecure, neurotic, acutely commitment phobic, self-loathing, failure-to-launch way behind the maturity curve for someone in his 30's. It all starts with the poor self-esteem (which comes from God knows where. I wasn't abused as a child or anything so IDK.) So my main mental operating function is to erect layers upon layers of protective walls to prevent others from getting to close and confirming the negative things I already think about myself, also making any kind of intimacy impossibl…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/19 05:27 AM
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Chiming in as a dude that gets approached. I really, really don't even consider myself "hot" (maybe because I have shitty self esteem,) but the evidence says otherwise. I'm very passive and quiet and rarely overtly approach women. It's been initiated by the woman almost every time I've had sex with a new girl. I've been catcalled multiple times, and my first girlfriend asked me out. If women think you're hot, they'll let you know.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 08:19 PM
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It's the hair texture. Black hair's usually too thick and curly to enter that stringy, used car salesman comb over look.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 04:06 AM
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Agree with this
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 03:53 AM
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Women are fine going without if quality men are unavailable. Hopefully, the apparent rise in men choosing porn over spinning thier wheels chasing girls is an indication that men are starting to adopt the same attitude towards women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 02:52 AM
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The implication of that phrase is that historically, women were "weak dependents who needed men" (to survive/provide). I don't buy this, in current usage, because this is only applied to women in a specific situation: namely, women who are doing without any romantic commitments/relationships to a man. In the modern day, no woman (in the west, where this phrase is used) actually needs a man to survive/provide, so the exact same logic you're using to explain why men don't have an equivalent should…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 08:29 PM
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The quicker we can admit that we don't live in a Just Sexual World, the quicker we can work towards lessening the pain people feel over it. The thing is, we only try to pretend it's a Just Sexual World when we're talking about how women behave in the dating market. People stereotype men as being shallow, superficial slaves to their instincts and libidos to a fault and chauvinistic objectifiers of women. But women, oh no, their sexual preferences and behaviors are all just and pure and merit base…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 08:02 PM
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Yes, women choose. Everyone knows this. What the red pill points out is that they make poor choices. I love how everyone in here is talking about how women are choosing the "wrong" guys as if they themselves are so obviously superior. Like, maybe y'all are actually just low value unattractive men and have an unrealistically high view of yourselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 04:36 PM
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Partially because the other side of this the social stigma still attached to sexually inactive bachelors. "Strong, independent woman that don't need no man," is a well accepted trope of female empowerment in the modern day. No such uplifting, empowering equivalent for men. A hetero man that won't or can't deal with women is pretty universally and automatically suspected as a sour grapes, failure-to-launch man-child, regardless of whether he complains or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 02:28 PM
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Attractive men maybe. Average and lower men don't control shit in the SMP.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 05:47 AM
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At the end of the day the truth is that it's not a good look that a real living breathing woman can't compete with pixels on a computer screen and a goddamn tube sock. You want to get a decent mate? Be competitive. That goes for men and women. What are we really arguing here? Force men to be so deprived of sexual satisfaction that they'll jump through flaming hoops at the slightest hint of pussy? Fuck that. It's 2019 and there's 7.5 billion humans on this planet. If it's celebrated that women no…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 05:18 AM
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No debate here. Trump won on white IdPol after all. One of the big advantages there IMO is that it's pretty much just the one identity. The left has a dozen different identities and it gets pretty ugly when they jockey for priority.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 04:22 AM
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Hey, I know it sounds crazy if I'm talking about the same people that are like "abortion is murder" and "God hates fags." I was cringing as I typed it but if I'm being honest, I've seen a lot more of that dogmatic, cloistered behavior internally on the left, especially with the IdPol folks.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 03:59 AM
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The left really struggles with the mechanics of maintaining a big tent. To the point, feminism holds the mic right now in the gender discussion, so men's issues get abandoned if they don't tow the line and serve the feminist imperative. Happens all the time. The infighting on the left is pretty fierce. For whatever reason, the right seems to be able to unite a bunch of single issue and/or seemingly natural enemies into a (temporary) coalition come election day. I'd hazard a guess that it has som…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 03:38 AM
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One thing the left could do that would help is advocate for ending puritanical laws banning prostitution. That seems to be to be a very capitalist solution to increasing male celibacy. Have you started a thread about this? I'm all for it but interested in the discussion of legal hookers in this group. Lots of people seem to be porn negative so I wonder if this extends to legalising prostitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 03:04 AM
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making men more economically successful won't make them more attractive to women because money has nothing to do with a man's sexual attractiveness. This seems totally incorrect.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 02:58 AM
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The problems that lead men to suicide, outside of psychological trauma, aren’t going to be solved by therapy. They will still be alone, poor, and aimless. I've thought for a long time that men need a different type of therapy which is more goal oriented, instead of models which emphasize just talking about feelings. Women are happy with just expressing mental states and feeling heard in the abstract, but men often seem to feel better if they can equip some measure of agency over the problem. For…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 10:07 PM
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Aww! We'll miss you!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 07:49 AM
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Aye, feminism is a likely culprit. It can come off as almost religious or cult-like. There's this acceptance of the infallible Creed, (i.e. women are oppressed and men are the oppressors) naming of the demon (i.e. The Patriarchy,) even a concept of original sin (i.e. privilege) and everything twists to support that narrative. It's why some ex-feminists describe leaving feminism as almost like losing your faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 07:39 AM
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Makes sense that this is something I've never seen, then. As a prole, I wouldn't presume to know about how the upper crust works. At a glance though, wouldn't UMC/UC men have some alpha status by default in that they have reasonably acceptable women of a SES just below to choose pretty freely from (for sex at least?) Could explain this behavior i.e. abundance mentality. We commoner men are scraping about just above the bottom of the barrel as it is. Just a thought. Sounds like we are overdue for…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 07:24 AM
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There is probably a higher percentage of men who have more trouble getting romance but I don’t think overall women have an easier time with romance. How is this not a contradiction in your view?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 06:03 AM
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A huge portion of my guys friends are pseudo-volcels who prefer celibacy to committed relationships, because they're already married to their PhDs/planning to move to Hong Kong next year/whatever. Makes sense. Why would you extrapolate that out to a generalized, rule-of-thumb dynamic, though? I don't think you could describe most guys as being so preoccupied with career that they become less willing to LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 06:00 AM
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Women have a big advantage in getting sex but not necessarily in romance. This is one of the more misleading things commonly said around here, which is kind of the type of thing I'm talking about. It implies that there's maybe an inverse balance between sex and romance advantages. The truth though, is that women have an advantage in BOTH sex AND romance. Sex might be a comparitively more potent advantage than romance, but both cases blow men out of the water either way. It's like a girl armed wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 05:34 AM
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Do it. I hear the perk of wise old women barkeeps is you get to wield a sawed-off shotgun to deal with the barfights.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 05:16 AM
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And maybe it's a social circles thing, but in mine, a woman who makes it clear she's looking for A BOYFRIEND, who will call himself that, and be exclusive, and go to the Christmas party with her, has a much, much harder time than a man in the same position. It's definitely your social circle. You might be surrounded by Chads. The notion that men in on average even approach the sexual/romantic privelige of women on average is totally alien to my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 03:24 AM
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Some men on ppd when they think of “women” tend to think of the type of women they want. There’s a strong tendency to apply the perceived experiences of these women to all women. And yet this entire OP boils down to "apex men = all men."
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/19 10:26 PM
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I'm sorry you had to go through that. Yes, addictions of all kinds (including porn) strain relationships. Would you be confident in saying that the situation for most in this demographic is that they are just addicts and simply ignoring the advances of women in favor of porn? I don't think we have any evidence to assert that these men are getting any attention from women at all, much less choosing porn over willing partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 12:19 AM
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Your natural abilities may be skewing your perception. Someone with dyslexia is going to have to put quite a bit more effort into reading than everyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 11:17 PM
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as men are attracted to most men. Ahem? Most men are not gays. Haha...yes edited
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 11:05 PM
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This would be reasonable assuming that women are as attracted to most men as men are attracted to most women. Unfortunately, this is probably not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 10:58 PM
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Exactly. The cost of sex (in terms of risks & effort expended) is too high so porn it is. Lower the cost of the sex and men will stop turning to porn. But that's not in the immediate interests of the pussy cartel so I expect this trend to continue.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 10:55 PM
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Sure. You're eating cup ramen while watching a video of someone else eating a sumptuous banquet. Is this arrangement better than actually eating the banquet?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 10:47 PM
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If getting sex from women becomes too hard, then porn becomes a more attractive alternative. On the other hand, if women are more available, then there's less need for porn. Exactly. Everyone blaming porn is acting like these guys would have women throwing themselves at their dicks if only they went outside, but just mysteriously decide instead "Nahh much more fun to jack it into ol' crusty alone in my bedroom." Lol no.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 10:05 PM
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Ok. Would you rather eat a steak or a burger from McDo? Would you give up on steaks forever if you had ample access to cheap hamburgers?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 09:42 PM
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They've got a close subsitute for sex, they've got unlimited free dopamine rushes on demand, and they've got enjoyable things to do with their time. So they don't dance, and drink, and screw, because there is nothing else to doooo-ooo-ooo. Thats what the Xers did. In other words, dating is going the way of the horse and buggy because men and women don't really need each other anymore. The more I think about it, the more I say bring it on. It's past time men got thier share of sexual liberation.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 09:27 PM
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How do you know this? The reds argue that women aren't even attracted to like 80% of men, which is actually backed up by that OkCupid survey. If that were the case, then without women being pressured into relationships in some way (like they were historically, for example) then you would expect most men to have no chance with most women, no matter what they tried.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 09:18 PM
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Everyone sucks at something 🤷🏾‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 08:59 PM
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how could it possibly? porn is 100% created to cater to th emale imperative with absolutely no acknowledgement of the female imperative. Porn is a video. Maybe even just a picture. Would you rather eat a hamburger or watch a video of someone eating a hamburger? Men aren't necessarily giving up because porn is better than sex. They could be giving up because sex is just too damn hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 08:48 PM
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Her - "You're a nice guy and you'll make some lucky girl really happy someday!"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 08:42 PM
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Then again it can be seen as a bad reflection on the state of the dating market that it can't compete with pixels, lotion, and celibacy. Just like how people argue that women are happy to settle down with cats and vibrators because they've been liberated from marriage, maybe now a lot of guys are happy to spend thier evenings with Pornhub instead of dealing with the dating bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 08:38 PM
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However, the sheer volume, intensity and accessibility to porn today is unprecedented and we don't know what's going to come of it. It is likely a very bad thing. Tbf we also used to eat like once every few days, had enormous infant mortality rates, suffer through illness without medication and die at 30. Appealing to "ancestral perspectives" is not always valid. Civilization is probably a net positive for humanity.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 04:20 AM
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Internalized misandry/misogyny a lot of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 04:06 AM
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That some can’t or won’t adapt to it doesn’t mean they don’t know that society expects everyone to have a baseline level of social skills. A baseline level of social skills isn't enough for men to be romantically successful on it's own, though. To paraphrase a common dismissal of Nice Guy arguments: "Being a decent person is expected, you have to bring more than that to the table if you want to be attractive." A baseline level of social skills is what a decent customer service rep. has. That's a…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/19 02:11 PM
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You can’t go wrong telling women and men stuff that’s good for women, that’s a license to print money. Telling women things that are bad for men seems to get a pass too. Telling men things that are bad for women gets you hounded and/or demonetised and/or advertisers withdrawn. Bingo. Most of the opposition to TRP boils down to "men should only behave in ways that serve women's agendas and if they can't figure out how to do that and still get laid, too goddamn bad." And men accept it and bow and …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/19 12:01 PM
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I can’t converse with someone who wants to claim that only sociopaths succeed with women. That's not what I'm claiming. I'm saying that being a bad person is not nearly as much as a barrier to sexual success as just being straight up unattractive is, contrary to what mainstream dating narratives suggest. We are in agreement about this : Here’s the uncomfortable truth. These guys aren’t failing with women because they’re “nice guys” and not sociopathic enough. They’re failing with women because t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/19 04:15 AM
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I mean exactly what I said. Men feign interest in women to get sex and then ghost when they get what they want. I think I’m being pretty clear here. Oh, I see. I misunderstood what you were getting at, although I'm confused/skeptical RPs would deny this happens but also why you would use this as a counter argument to RP. Here's my take on fuccbois as purplish person. These are men that are attractive enough to women that they are capable of stringing a woman along with the hint of relationship t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/19 12:26 AM
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Ok so I’m going to get analytical here. It seems to me that you’re saying a good deal of men feel they’ve been misled to believe that being a good guy, treating her well and acting like a boyfriend would will get them laid. Not exactly. I'm saying that men are put into a position where we are handicapped with incorrect/incomplete/ineffective information and are expected to figure the rest of it out in a way that can be unnecessarily difficult and damaging to men in particular, considering that w…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/19 05:47 PM
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Will you acknowledge the same thing happens to women? See, what I'm saying is that I think it's already acknowledged that this happens to women, but much less so to men. The aforementioned trope of "strong woman that doesn't need a man" hinges on this acknowledgment. The which gender is the bigger victim debate never gets us anywhere...At the end of the day, being angry over how you think the opposite sex should behave is pointless. As pointless as being mad that law firms won’t hire you with a …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/19 02:58 PM
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It could be. Problem is, as you probably know, they are (or at least are percieved as) sour grapes crybabies who never actually go thier way and couldn't get laid if they wanted to anyway. Not entirety unwarranted. A far cry from "empowered." Part of this, IMO, is you have to acknowledge that women's approval can be shallow and fickle and sometimes perfectly good men are going to be left behind for no good reason. This is how we tend to think of men's preferences for women these days. I think it…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/19 02:14 PM
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It ain’t because straight women like to look at each other. That's what I would assume at a glance but then again, I've heard a lot arguments made that women seek validation through beauty more from other women/intersex status competition then men's approval directly. YMMV. I think there was a discussion about it here a while ago. Otherwise, there's the whole trope of an empowered woman who doesn't need a man, which doesn't really have a male equivalent. The same men who want emphathy for their …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/19 01:58 PM
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And frankly yes, the advice is obvious and has been out there forever. Otherwise the majority of men wouldn’t have figured it out without the help of TRP. Well, it's obvious to certain people, not so obvious to others, especially in the face of all the lies, as you mentioned. What we really have here is not a question of how obvious these things are, it's whether or not a person is willing to believe the lies or is a skeptic. For that matter, I don't even think we can reliably say that most men/…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/19 01:02 PM
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u/redpillschool should look at this sub closer. There are a number of us on PPD making this exact argument all the time. It's the hardcore blues always trying to retcon the effective manosphere advice as common knowledge all along.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/19 11:37 AM
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Yea but I'm one of them. It's really mostly about sex. Ok but then the normie advice is "hire a prostitute" which most of you seem to refuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/19 11:09 PM
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I've never heard of a guy complain that he can't get into a relationship. Incels, Foreveralones and nice guys complain about this constantly
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/19 10:59 PM
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Lol I think if women were in charge of all the toll booths there would be more male articles complaining about women not marrying than vice versa, but I digress. This coming from the fact that for a lot of men just being able to get a date is an uphill battle never mind marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/19 10:56 PM
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Same reason that feminism dominates gender discourse and men's rights is a fringe group: there's a (percieved) power imbalance. Sex and romance is probably the most obvious area where the mainstream understanding of gendered power dynamics is reversed, which explains part of why feminists hate TRP. Women are sexually powerful and men are the disenfranchised second class. By and large, women just don't need a female equivalent to the red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 08:00 PM
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Honestly, I doubt it. No one has come up with an effective alternative in history that hasn't boiled down to a lot of the things the manosphere is observing. It's a toolbox and also can be prone to quite a bit of an exaggeration. But anyone who needs this stuff is off kilter in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 02:44 PM
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Right. So given the type of man RP targets, if RP were to focus on LTR development, at best they'd be preaching to a choir of already overly beta men at best or they'd be actively encouraging men further away from a decent balance of alpha and beta. Just like the blue pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 02:36 PM
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Not saying there is anything wrong with this, but to then turn around and say "damn this idea that men only want sex!" is ironic. The ironic thing is that women tend to select for the characteristics of men that are capable of having a lot of casual sex. A woman wants a man that could have any woman but chooses to be with her. What RP target men eventually figure out is that acting too much like a hopelessly romantic and commitment oriented man actually hurts your chances initially.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 02:10 PM
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Really the way that it should be phrased is that looks aren't enough for women. Women are picky. Basically, what always gets communicated is this idea that looks aren't so important and how you can always make up for it somehow. But realistically, probably the most efficient advice to optimize anyone's dating life is to work on attractiveness and appearance. And it would be completely obvious if not for everyone trying to muddy the waters by constantly talking about the outliers and exceptions t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 11:28 AM
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What I mean is that the difference is mostly in intention, not in execution. Whether someone wants to get into a LTR or get a hookup they still need to be attractive, social, entertaining etc. on entry. Which is why all these women end up falling for hot players with no interest in settling down and ignoring the commitment minded losers until the biological clock starts ticking down. In other words, if women are getting more/better opportunities for casual sex (this seems to be the consensus) th…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 11:13 AM
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Except women are having an easier time with commitment as well. One of the things that irks me about blues (and some reds) on this sub is how people talk about casual sex and LTR like it's a completely different process. Like, no, they basically involve most of the exact same shit just with different intentions. It's some kind of zero sum situation where women have an easier time with casual sex but men have an easier time with commitments. Women just have it easier in most things dating full st…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 10:38 AM
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The differences in effort between the genders in attracting a mate is huge. Part of the problem, of course, is the ongoing narrative that women just don't care about looks like men do. We just had a thread about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 10:30 AM
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Women are the choosers. TRP and the manosphere have little power to change anything, so they can only try help men to be successful under the current paradigm.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 10:11 AM
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It's so funny that you say that. I was a super straight-laced kid, pathologically terrified of getting in trouble. Yep. Same story here, born goody two-shoes. It's this weird paradox (dare I say "shit-test") where people will lay down rules and boundaries but expect that you're going to resist and are somehow put off if you (gasp) actually respect thier wishes. I've never understood it. I think that a lot of sexually unsuccessful men, in particular, struggle with this in that we will get all of …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 11:51 PM
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Someone replied with the classic shaming "If you need alcohol to have fun, you have problems." Yes, my problems were shyness and social anxiety, and alcohol solved them. Thanks, alcohol! Ugh...same. I was one of the shamers before I started drinking and discovered how much alcohol actually helps me. It's going to be wierd if I ever have kids because I'm probably going to be overly concerned if they don't "break the rules" enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 10:12 PM
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I love partying, clubbing, nightlife, drinking, maybe some light drugs, all of it. Most of the time if I go out I'm the first and last one on the dance floor. I've danced literally for hours non-stop, with and without partners, until my old man legs cramped up. I was highly inhibited growing up and I've always been an introvert, so I actively avoided partying to the point that I claimed to "hate all parties." To be honest, I was just a bit scared of drinking, drugs and was very self-conscious, s…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 06:47 PM
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This ends the sub. Nothing further to be said.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 03:57 PM
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Sticky this entire post.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 03:55 PM
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That a plurality of men eventually ending up in a LTR or married for period of time means that most men are well served by and totally satisfied with the state of the SMP/RMP, which means that the manosphere is just an unnecessary excuse for a misogynistic circlejerk.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/19 11:30 AM
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I dunno, man. I rarely feel particularly masculine (or at least in a positive way, to catch your meaning.) Demonstrating knowledge or teaching something is probably my only real consistent, successful way of feeling masculine, though that often borders on feeling like a know-it-all.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/19 03:50 AM
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This is something I think basically all of RP and that matter incels don't get. As they are so focus on only the physical aspect of things and don't take in that attraction is more than you being buff/fit. Tbf being fit doesn't hurt your chances either way and it's far more straightforward to change your looks than to reinvent your personality towards what women find attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/19 03:36 AM
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Sure, but the same 20% of men that are funny, is not the exact same 20% of men who are attractive. So the pool grows. I'm sure there's plenty of overlap. Funny and attractive are not mutually exclusive, nor do women tend to latch onto a single marker of attractiveness. At the end of the day nearly 45% of men get married/have an LTR of 10+ years. So clearly it's not just 20% of men being chosen. If those numbers are at all accurate, then that's not encouraging at all. In other words, more than ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/19 03:25 AM
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NAWALT/NAMALT
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/19 07:24 PM
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Also the fact that the figures from the CDC peg the average number of lifetime partners for women at 3-4 or around there (and im pretty sure this was from a study where answers were input anonymously in the a computer), with men being something like 6-7. I haven't read this study personally, but it sounds like something that has been brought up on this sub. IIRC, the arguments tend to break upon the fact that this is kind of easy to twist according to what you already believe, seeing as the numb…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/19 01:35 AM
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However, I have seen many a rich guy complain about being swamped with gold diggers and faux friends. And i think the hottest chicks are way more interested in becoming respected, affluent, socially active wives than being prostitutes. I'd thought about adding an addendum concerning this scenario, but I think it still fits with what I said earlier. One of the things I've noticed about these cases is that, upon finding the person that loves them for who they "really are," the rich guy/hot girl of…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 04:52 PM
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Why does neither gender want to be valued for the very thing that gives them the greatest power in the SMP? It's not that they don't want to be valued for these things. It's that no one wants to sell too cheap. Women are happy to be used as sex dolls as long as the man is high enough status. Men are happy to part with cash and be used as a walking ATM long as he gets sex from the hottest woman possible. This is why sugar daddies and prostitution work. Usually, when you see disagreement of being …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 04:13 PM
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There are definitely guys out there that make it a priority (a neurotic obsession, even) to get you off and do all the romancy, touchy-feely "love making." You may need to widen the scope of guys you go after. Thirding the suggestion to try and explore self-love, as well. Maybe start off with mutual masturbation the next time you have sex, so you get an idea of what puts you in a sexy headspace and then taking care of yourself. For one, it probably would give you a better sense of what you shoul…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 03:51 PM
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However, if you interpret attractiveness as a composite trait of everything that makes a man appealing to women, unattractive men certainly have it the worst. Essentially, the issue is that there are multiple avenues of attractiveness that a man can improve upon if he's lacking otherwise. But women are overwhelmingly reduced to her physical appearance because men just don't care that much about anything else compared to looks. If you are a truly unattractive woman (disfigured, postmenopausal and…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 03:36 PM
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Here's a recent paper from a quick Google search. It references some earlier more detailed studies on preschool children. Using the Movement Assessment Battery for Children–second edition, FMS proficiency was tested in 325 preschoolers (4.9 ± 1.1 y, range 3–6) using a cross-sectional design. Compared to boys of the same age, 3- and 4-year-old girls had greater total (p < .01), fine motor skill (p < .01), and balance scores (p < .05). ​
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 02:55 PM
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You might be asexual. Doesn't mean you're defective. Check out r/Asexual
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 02:50 PM
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Consider this: if the homeless guy comes into a lot of money (say, he wins the lottery) it's not at all unlikely for him to land a literal pornstar in his lap no matter how old he is. Sure, she's obviously a golddigger, but he's old. Doesn't matter had sex. She'll even marry him and fuck him on the reg Anna Nicole Smith style. The granny can get into shape but it's still pretty unlikely that she's ever going to get to fuck a young, hot alpha Chad again, never mind get any kind of commitment from…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 02:38 PM
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Well, I was basing this on the idea that truly unattractive women (i.e. postmenopausal, disfigured, elderly) are going to have much less opportunity to make up for thier unattractiveness compared to similar men, since men generally don't care about much else except looks. In addition, all men have an advantage over women in that women have a narrower fertility (thus peak attractiveness) window. At the same time it's much less likely to be truly unattractive as a woman, so there you have it. But …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 02:30 PM
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Why be red pill then? With their attempting to be extremely masculine? I feel like other dating advise or not being Red Pill would work more towards your strengths. I'm not red pill but I will address this anyway. The thing is that I am weak in several key areas of masculinity that women are generally attracted to and which would optimize my dating success. So it's kind of like, be constantly out of your comfort zone or be alone for long stretches of time: choose one. Well I feel like unless you…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 02:18 PM
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I'm saying it's not a great power. What situations in life do you imagine benefiting from a stronger sense of smell or more finely tuned hearing? Relax, I was being lighthearted. Honestly, I just think it would be kind of cool, like watching a movie in 3D for the first time. Mind you, I'm colorblind, so even regular vision is a bit mind blowing for me. But yes, I'd dislike having more headaches.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 01:56 PM
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With great power comes great responsibility mild discomfort.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 01:35 PM
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Yeah. It's why girls tend to have better handwriting than boys do.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 12:30 PM
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Straight up, I couldn't be that affectionate and physically intimate with anyone I considered a horrible person. It just doesn't compute. I'm not a machine. I need to like the person I'm fucking at least a little bit to derive any sort of pleasure from it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 11:58 AM
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but the other was a broke ass dude who was 5'6'' and couldn't keep his dick dry. Okay, but TRP isn't saying that broke, short guys absolutely can't get laid, is it? (That would be something like incel ideology, probably.) I mean, the entire purpose seems to be giving disadvantaged guys tips, so terpers must think that it's possible. So you had a friend that had something going on for him to mitigate his disadvantages, without having to look it up online. This "something" that TRP is trying to id…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 08:44 AM
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I seriously doubt this percentage. If they had my worldview, they wouldn't clown themselves into following a real life version of the DENNIS system. Like I said, your worldview is informed by your experiences and perception. Then once that's established you will contort your mind to fit inconsistencies into the ideology. This is basic psychology. I guarantee you, virtually all terpers bought hook, line, and sinker into mainstream narratives around dating and then watched as everything women said…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 07:29 AM
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The stuff they say women want, or the sort of men they want to have sex with, doesn't seem to jive with reality. Doesn't seem to jive with your reality. Keep in mind that 99% of terpers agreed with you at some point in the past and then watched your worldview get systematically dismantled over and over again in thier own lives. You have to consider that maybe you have not experienced what they have. I mean, that's the rub isn't it? Not to mention the variation in the way people think about and p…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 05:50 AM
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Also, extra erogenous zones. Like most things, it's a trade off. Also I forgot to mention female superpowers: enhanced hearing, smell, pain tolerance, fine motor functions and tetrachromatic vision. I'm on the male low end for all of those except probably motor functions. Probably wouldn't much enjoy periods, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 05:01 AM
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Yep. I struggle to even reach mediocrity at most male roles. It goes against my personality most of the time. While I'm not feminine, I do seem to "mesh" with stereotypically female roles easier, not to mention that modern western women are more liberated to pick and choose those roles as it suits them. Also I like shoes and I wonder what it would be like to have a set of tits.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 04:47 AM
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The demand to be physically attractive is lower for dudes by a wide fucking margin. To be fair, charisma and personality can be a lot harder to work on than physical attractiveness. Like, you might need major therapy or to change your entire worldview. Getting in shape is basically math and consistency. Fashion is aesthetics, color theory and mimicry. Women, in particular, have been developing and escalating beauty techniques and industries since we came down from the trees so it's incredibly ef…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 04:26 AM
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But even the most mediocre of women I believe has a easier time than the median joe. Yes, this is exactly what I was saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 04:06 AM
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Because racism is toxic af and titties don't make it any less disgusting? Would you fuck Hitler/fem-Hitler if he/she was attractive enough? IDK man for all the conventional wisdom that women are concerned about personality, there are a lot of people here totally willing to disregard thier values for a hot body.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 04:03 AM
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It's debatable. I was going off the general idea that an unattractive man can make up for a lack of physical attractiveness in other ways (like money, status, etc.) and punch above his weight in ways that unattractive women can't. But that's just an anecdotal speculation on my part. My real point is that with the average women are going to have an advantage over most men, and that the only time that really changes is possibly at the extremes.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 03:47 AM
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It generally goes: attractive men>attractive women>average women>average men>unattractive men>unattractive women. The caveat is that people are very aware of the people above them in rank, but it's hard to see anyone below you in rank of the opposite gender. So the way this works in practice is that the top 20% of men very visibly have it better than anyone, including all women. This looks exactly like patriarchy theory, so this explains feminism. At the next tier down, however, the situation re…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 12:43 AM
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Cherry picking because you are conveniently ignoring all of the other sources of mainstream advice that people are exposed to and holding up gendered magazines as some kind of get laid handbook and epitome of mainstream dating wisdom, even though we still have yet to establish that typical mags even regularly give good or sane dating advice in the first place. Look, I'm not going to change your opinion that mainstream advice should be perfectly adequate and that the only reason people take the r…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/19 02:46 PM
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I'm talking about actual mainstream advice, but not about things your mother once told you. Well ignoring mother, sisters, female friends, female authority figures, anything that isn't a modern men's magazine etc, I guess you can cherry-pick the advice that supports your argument. But I could swear that terpers are always saying something about "not listening to women" and "not asking a fish how to fish" but then that usually gets shouted down as misogyny when they say it 🤷🏾‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/19 01:31 PM
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Okay, but that doesn't mean that mainstream advice is bad or useless. Just because it's mainstream advice doesn't mean it's good advice. What's your point? Well it seems like it if "go to the gym" is seen as completely useless, but "go to the gym because women are mentally like children" is seen as helpful. Assuming that the mainstream advice is "go to the gym" and not something like "girls don't like muscular guys, just be yourself!"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/19 12:24 PM
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Do you think that guys never tried turning to magazines for tips? Just because it's a men's magazine doesn't mean that any advice they were offering is of any quality, especially for men that probably need social interactions spelled out for them. Does Cosmo have a reputation of offering decent dating advice for women, much less for nueroatypical women? Face it, there was a market vacuum that the manosphere filled. What, do you think guys were following advice that was working perfectly well for…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/19 11:34 AM
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Mainstream advice tells men to get fit, to develop boundaries and to become confident. Maybe in 2019 some of it does as a direct result of TRP and PUA tactics entering the dialogue, and even then, most of it is still going to heavily feature "just be yourself" -type platitudes anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/19 11:08 AM
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Sounds like you have a thing for innocent guys. I think his problem really came from a place of insecurity about his sexual prowess and less with you. He sounds a little like he'd fit in around the manosphere, from the way you describe it, actually. Speaking for myself, at least, I promise that there are guys like that who would totally feed on your energy, get really turned on by sexually aggressive women and are not at all insecure about tradcon sexual roles. So yeah, be you. We need more of y…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 11:19 PM
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Hm. Low libido maybe? I wouldn't let it stop you from doing what feels right. It's sad to fell like you have fill a passive role when it just doesn't fit, especially when there are guys out there that really like forward girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 10:27 PM
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aka not the audience of TRP
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 08:52 PM
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With a boyfriend I was really in love with we were together maybe only half a year tops when we broke up I remember him telling me he liked everything about me except for how eager I was and how fast I wanted to move the relationship. To be fair, that's a different horse than what OP seems to be talking about in just making the first move and approaching a guy you like. Trying to move through stages of the relationship quickly (i.e. she already has a timeline for marriage and kids by the third d…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 08:38 PM
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Generally, people that "just figure it out" don't need much advice to begin with, so they can afford blue advice to be inadequate.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 08:11 PM
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Applying all of that, it is more than natural that you will get more girls than before, you basically made yourself better in everything. In addition you will get experience in talking to women by training more and accepting rejection, so you'll get better just by your own experience and learn about things to do by yourself, without TRP being a factor. Same old "all the good stuff about TRP isn't really TRP." The entire reason people end up taking the pill is because they aren't getting effectiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 01:13 PM
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Sure, I'm not really disagreeing with that, but it doesn't mean you are some kind of natural expert. No one is saying that people come out of the womb with fully formed skill sets. It's a description of how people have different circumstances that lead to better or worse abilities. It's why blues always seem to struggle to understand how red-aligned people "just don't get it."
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/19 03:37 PM
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Most people though, people who have at least average IQ, will have an aptitude for at least one topic But not the same topics. That's what people are saying. You can have an aptitude for one thing that another person doesn't have, and that gives you an advantage, even though the skill still has to be learned.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 09:16 AM
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Unlike the rest of us, they had better learning conditions, some of which are innate, such as personality, inclinations, aptitudes, interests and thought patterns which are conducive to learning the thing (a.k.a. "talent" "natural ability" etc.)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 08:57 AM
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If you categorise someone as "natural" because they have an inclination and supportive environment for learning a specific skill then you're just saying the same thing I am, that people who are driven enough and in the right circumstances will learn to do their thing well. Yes, this is what people mean by things like "natural." But if you understand that concept and agree with it, then it's a contradiction to boil it all down to hours spent learning. At the absolute minimum, the natural is going…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 02:46 PM
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Likewise someone who grows up socialising a lot will get good at it fast. Someone who is shy growing up won't socialise much and therefore get less practice. So they have to get that practice later on. Noticed you've switched variables here. In one case, you have someone who "grows up socializing a lot," and in the other you have someone who is "shy" (instead of someone that didn't grow up socializing, which would be the actual opposite of the first case.) The personality here is making necessar…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 02:18 PM
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lol ctrl-f'd for this. She is not my cup of tea. I'll take the dumb one, no contest
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 10:46 PM
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Part of the problem is that looks being "less of a factor" sounds a whole lot to men like women have low standards for looks (and correspondingly attach a lower penalty to being unattractive,) which is probably false for one thing and for another doesn't quite articulate the fact that while looks are "traded" for other equally shallow factors, the value itself is never lowered. In other words, if you don't have the looks, you'd better be bringing something else to the table. Talking about it in …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 04:12 PM
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I mean, it'll always sound like "you're unattractive/you're not enough and there's nothing you can change about it". I've been thinking about this a lot recently and from a certain perspective the BP platitudes sound exactly like this. "Just be yourself," "It'll just happen when you stop looking," "It's not a videogame, stop looking for cheat codes" various down playings of women's shallowness and trends of what attracts them etc. It all paints this picture that you should be able to have some s…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 03:18 PM
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However even when you're aware of all this, it's never satisfying to hear it. I would think people would appreciate knowing the truth and being able to make informed decisions on that basis. I don't want to be sold a saccharine fairy tale and then just fail miserably without ever truly knowing why.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 12:51 PM
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I am a woman so I know what’s normal. If the guys are behaving differently to this then evil society must have brainwashed them to act differently to my view of normal that is patterned on my “normal” female behaviours and preferences. Enter TRP: "So if those behaviors are so 'natural' then why do men who act like that categorically dry you up worse than the Mojave, but you can't seem to get enough of fucking the 'brainwashed' guys? -"...because FUCK YOU, shitlord, that's why."
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 10:42 AM
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TBF men can be very heavily socialized and discouraged against displeasing women in general, and socially ostracized if they ever slip up, so obsessing over female approval isn't exactly coming out of thin air.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 10:22 AM
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This one's hard to swallow because men really really care about what women think about us. We like you. We want to please you and do well, especially considering how mortified we get when we hear the seemingly ubiquitous complaints about how bad men can be in bed. But then again women have this weird limbo with certain things relationship-related where it's like the more obvious men are about how much they give a shit the more disgusting they are to women. Like, I'll hear women talk about how me…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 01:15 AM
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Red pill time: It's because women use these gray area rules to weed out unworthy, nonconfident men. They want it to be confusing and ambiguous, because the right boy will be willing to teeter and maybe overstep that line. /thread. No, actually more like /subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/19 04:45 PM
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Just be a normal man and follow your normal man instincts. Instructions unclear. Pumped 3x, came, and went to sleep. Girl unsatisfied.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/19 08:44 AM
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suddenly you being a dude with a creeper shirt becomes cute and not repulsive. You realize what you've basically said here is that wearing the creeper shirt (i.e. being yourself) makes virtually no difference compared to getting fit and attractive. This is why people say "be yourself" is bad advice. When people struggle with dating the problem is almost never about being inauthentic but about being unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/19 04:06 AM
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There is no "blue pill" ideology is and the very fact that TRPs feel the need to keep attacking this strawman is the first thing they get wrong. Blue pill is just the mainstream "common sense" one-size-fits-all type of fluff dating advice that appeals to neurotypicals. I don't think it's exactly that Red Pillers lack the capacity for nuance. It's that blue pill (mainstream) dating narratives lack nuance too. All that stuff you've saying about what RP has correct is not usually discussed at all u…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/19 06:24 AM
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Evolution did things well, men who have the most sex are the most valuable men in a way or another. Those who can't likely can't have much impact on society besides by being disposable human resource. That's not always true. A lot of hard criminals get laid like tile and they deliberately damage society in a way that's usually orders of magnitude worse than whatever damage the average incel loser might do (assuming that the loser isn't one of the outliers that turn to mass murder.)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 05:17 AM
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How many guys have said "I just want a chubby, pimply, nerdy girl?" How many girls have said "I just want a nice guy?' It's not hypocritical because there has never been any question that guys want girls to be hot more than anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/19 06:30 AM
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Accusing someone of entitlement is to invoke the exact same reasoning that one would use to dismiss upstart complaints by saying that life isn't fair, except in a slippery way that avoids coming out as nakedly hypocritical when utilized by people who often argue against that very same logic. It's telling that actual gender, sexual, ethnic, racial, economic and other minorities rarely, if ever, lobby accusations of "entitlement" against the groups that they name oppressors, reason being that thes…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 04:45 AM
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I wear glasses but got the absent minded professor bit down cold. Book smart but also dumber than a bag of hammers
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/19 01:33 PM
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1) Male 32 y/o. I have exactly two close friends by most definitions, one male and one female. 2) In some sense, I wish I had had a stereotypical circle of bros growing up or something. If I'm being honest with myself though, I'm introverted, uncomfortable with intimacy and really shit at maintaining contact with anyone (including family) that I don't see on a daily basis, so I'd probably be unwilling to put in the effort to maintain such a social network. 3) I've fallen out of touch with severa…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/19 04:52 AM
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Aye, and BP feels good to believe in but that doesn't mean it's realistic for everyone either
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/19 01:10 AM
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I understand where you're coming from though, but to me, you're like Warren Buffet dishing out investment advice. I'd like to think that you've found yourself in a relatively privileged position by having a profound, insightful view of the field AND by having a significant amount of luck. Spot on. Bloops sound exactly like a tone-deaf wealthy person trying to tell a poor person to take a chance on a risky investment, and worse, a poor person who has already taken risks and failed miserably. They…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/19 11:19 PM
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I can see that argument but TRP won't say one in five pistols is loaded so be careful and try to vet the one you pick up to get an unloaded one. They'll just say that all the pistols are loaded, and when challenged they'll say something like "we really meant that it's best to treat them that way" before going right back to saying that they are all loaded. If your argument is about semantic precision, you aren't wrong. But of course, people tend to compartmentalize things and make generalizations…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/19 10:24 PM
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And my argument is that the red pill is doing its users a massive disservice by including a bunch of teenage boy edge lord misogynistic larping that is doesn't need and only harms the guys who embrace it. What makes something "mysoginistic" though? Most people that rage against the manosphere seem to define something as mysoginistic only if it is a negative trait generalized to all women. "Women have a natural nuturing, motherly instinct. AWALT" Not mysoginistic. "Women have a natural hypergamou…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/19 07:42 PM
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The Blue pill abridged right here
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/19 05:18 PM
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But if the red pill would drop the hyperbolic misogynistic extremism and present the real world, a nuanced world of shades of gray, where some women are like that, some women lack empathy, some women are immature and childish, and even that some men do indeed get a rough end of the stick jammed up their ass in divorce. But not all. If the red pill dropped the edge lord misogynistic larping that they claim they are not doing, then these fragile young men would be able to equip themeselves with th…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/19 01:58 PM
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Redpillers: Has anything ever happened to you, or have you seen something happen, that made you think "maybe redpill is wrong"? I don't know if this is going to work so much in this direction. Most RP guys were originally staunch BP guys that "woke up" after having their faith tested.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/19 01:45 PM
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I agree with this, but feminists are some of the biggest advocates of focusing on identity politics over class politics.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/19 05:27 PM
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I'm not angry. I'm just saying it's usually bullshit to blame anyone when they get cheated on. That goes for male or female. Like, if you're unsatisfied and the relationship is unsalvageable the adult solution is to break up, not go and cheat. Bottom line. And it's further bullshit to try and cast as "most of the time" it's because men (I dare you to say the same about women) get fat and lazy to imply that they in some sense deserve it. Sometimes people are just assholes and cheat because they c…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/19 12:05 AM
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...What? I was responding to this: Usually married girl's cheat cause their husbands have gotten fat and lazy, and then they've given up on moving their lives forward. I don't know what you're talking about with some girl blowing you at a vulnerable time?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/19 11:53 PM
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Right. Because calling you out for victim blaming men is basically equivalent to saying that men can do no wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/19 11:44 PM
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"It's the man's fault," right on cue.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/19 11:17 PM
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Well, men don't outright tell women that "looks matter a lot," They don't? I'm pretty sure there's a heavy handed mainstream narrative that men are very interested in women's looks/bodies almost to the exclusion of everything else. Either way, the claim is that "looks matter" is something that should be absorbed culturally, without needing that to be dictated as a default. My point is that if someone is being given information counter to that cultural narrative (like men are) it's unsurprising t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/19 08:14 PM
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Pretending that "nobody tells us we can look better" sounds like an excuse from some quarters (not you) that really means, "I don't want to invest any time or energy into this because I'm not interested in it." Here's the thing, though. A lot of men are literally told by women, in no uncertain terms, that looks don't matter so much for guys. Women, on the other hand, are generally either heavily coached towards worrying a ton about their looks, or at the very least, aren't actively misled to bel…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/19 06:56 PM
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Because most women just don't have to fucking care. Women have the power in the dating market and nothing that average men say, think or do is going to bring him up to her level. A lion doesn't concern herself with the opinions of sheep. There's a saying that goes, "the worst feeling isn't when they hate you. In order for someone to hate you, they have to care. The worst feeling is complete indifference."
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/19 03:18 PM
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At some level, I think there's absolutely no way "effective, practical dating advice for awkward men" will ever be accepted fully. No matter how polite it is. The funny thing is that everyone just assumes that there should be some kind of inoffensive, woman-approved/feminist-approved politically correct dating strategy for men that's also effective. That's not necessarily the case. In fact, it can be argued that women select against that case. One of my major turning points in learning to talk t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/19 02:00 PM
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Why can't men make something constructive that will help their own? The manosphere is that constructive thing men have created to help thier own. OP is asking for an alternative to this, since the manosphere is villified by wider society. Except society doesn't give a damn enough about failing men to come up with an alternative.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/19 06:08 AM
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I’m guess I’m just hoping that maybe one person reads here and doesn’t just assume every young guy who needs help isn’t some monster. I feel you. It's the exact reason why I spend most of my Reddit time posting to PPD. It's not really to debate the hows and whys of the SMP. I know and accept how it works. It's to tease out, as you are, that the men who end up drawn to the manosphere are evil or inferior or defective but are subjected to a bad roll of the dice, a quirk of circumstances that could…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/19 04:23 AM
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I’d reject that notion. Take a kid who’s naturally introverted, take away his father, abuse him, lie to him about the nature of human relationships, isolate him from people his own age, force him into a servant for your elderly parents, deprive him of sleep throughout his childhood and teenage years. To expect anyone coming from that to have just figured things out and developed the same way as other boys who had comparatively excellent upbringings, is asinine and cruel. What you have to realize…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/19 03:15 AM
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There isn't one, tbqh. Society doesn't give a damn. If you couldn't naturally figure out how to engage sexually/romantically then your best bet is to just fake it and learn things from the manosphere and never admit it to anyone in hopes of social approval, because that acceptance is never coming. That is the real backdrop behind a lot of the manosphere...the (dating) world is unfair, amoral and no one gives a shit about you, especially because you're a man. Never will. So your only recourse is …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/19 03:00 AM
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Well for one, it's fallacious to argue that someting isn't really a problem just because it isn't the worst thing possible. For another, it can be argued that lacking love, companionship and belonging really is that bad, seeing as how those things are classified as under Maslow's Hierarchy of Basic Human Needs. I don't know you, but no it honestly sounds like you have been lucky enough to never really be in the crosshairs of this stuff. It's like oxygen. It's not a problem until you aren't getti…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/19 07:23 AM
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Ask old people, ask women, ask other races, ask folks what they have been through and what they have seen in their many years on this planet. Once you hear how much shit they have suffered you will drop this conspiracy idea. The thing is that while it isn't a conspiracy, there is a power imbalance between most men and most women when it comes to dating that people are really reluctant to think deeply about because goes against the feminist-influenced understanding of gender in society. Sure, eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/19 10:11 PM
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When sex meant marriage, or shotgun marriage, or exile Again, prostitution is a direct contradiction to this. It's sex with no marriage involved and it has existed since the beginning of civilization. Besides, shotgun weddings and the like have never been pervasive enough to generalize that as some kind of default for men. People have been having premarital sex, extramarital affairs, flings, hookups etc (not even to mention nasty stuff like rape) forever. The big difference is how willing people…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/19 06:00 AM
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Men have never had more power in the SMP. We are not forced to stay with a girl. We are not forced into a life long contract just to have sex one time with one girl. When have men ever been forced into life long contracts just to have sex? Prostitution has been a thing since we invented commerce. I can see that argument working for women but men? Nah, bro. Your post focuses on advantages that only really apply to apex men in the extreme and you also seem to think that women don't also have these…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/19 05:05 AM
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Agreed, this is all very true. I think the reason men can have a hard time with this when interacting with women, in particular, is that they absorb an idea from somewhere that offending women in any way whatsoever is probably sexist and being sexist makes you a bad person. One thing I don't think feminists are very keen on communicating; equality means that men should be allowed to piss off women just the same as they are allowed to piss off other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 09:21 AM
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I think where this gets muddied is that treating her like anyone else also involves not being especially deferent and/or not being afraid to get on her bad side, especially if she deserves it. The problem is a lot of bloops have a feminist slant which can suggest that men not being deferent and careful around (and even protective of) women leads to problematic situations. So you have a situation where a guy is kind of walking on eggshells around women so that he doesn't accidentally offend someo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 09:02 AM
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Nobody said it's 100% perfect for women (or anyone, for that matter.) Is there any point in history that the average woman would have been any closer than she is in the modern day to finding a man who checks all those boxes?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 04:50 AM
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Hm. I disagree with a lot of that, personally, but thanks for clarifying.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 12:27 AM
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As far as these weird comparisons between men and women and who has it "harder"? How can you even compare? What are you comparing? Harder to do what? You've got to quantify this because I don't know what you are talking about. "Harder" as in securing some kind of romantic/sexual arrangement with a member of the opposite sex is going to be generally more elusive due to various mechanisms and privileges afforded to one gender, for example that average women seem to be more in demand to men than th…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/19 11:25 PM
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My thought on this is that the bottom 80% of men are in a much more precarious position than the bottom 80% of comparable women across the aisle. 20% of guys struggling enough to pay women to acknowledge their presence over the internet is a lot, considering that there are virtually no women in a similar position. People who cluster around the average of either gender do "okay," but an average 20-30 something guy is kind of up the creek if he gets dumped/divorced compared to an average 20-30 som…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/19 10:36 PM
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Interesting times for sure. It is definitely the best time alive to be a man. An attractive apex man, maybe. For the rest of us poor bastards (like 80+% of us) it is pretty fucking abysmal. If you're average you might get lucky and find a nice 80/20 girl AT BEST, with the Sword of Divorce ever dangling over your head. If you are below average you are literally so starved that you pay women to acknowledge your existence for a few SECONDS. They'd at least have sex with the lower tier guys who paid…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/19 09:39 PM
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Counterpoint: It's far more likely to be <5 as a male, and if that's you, dating life is going to be hard as fuck. It's very likely that you will be at least a 5 as a female almost automatically and you can pretty much coast, although it's going to be difficult to be exceptional. It's the classic female burden of having a glass ceiling vs. the male burden of having no floor. Personally, I think ladies get the better deal...give me security. Screw you, Franklin.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/19 12:14 AM
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I don't know...that seems like a canned answer. I mean, "I wasn't ready" could point to something like maturity issues or something even more serious and I'm not sure that anyone is just going take the guys word for it that he was totally in control of never settling down. At least with the divorced guy, you have some proof that he's capable of maintaining a relationship, and people divorce for all kinds of reasons. Doesn't mean it was his fault or that he has any significant red flags.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/19 10:46 PM
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I was the same way about partying when I was in college. My advice: get over it and go anyway. I've learned to enjoy parties now, but I'm too old at this point and really regret all the missed opportunities when I was younger.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/19 04:43 PM
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Am male. I'd do it for free if it would be something like a reincarnation and I got to spend my youth as a female. Just switching genders at my age probably has diminishing returns and I'm probably better off just trying to take advantage of the older male SMV increase at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 07:25 PM
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No one sees me as just an object for sexual pleasure. Typically, if someone wants to be my friend or to date me, they feel that way because they like my personality. As a fellow black man, 2 words: BBC fetishists. Also, basic girls that only attracted to you because they think you're a thug (because you're a black guy, obvs)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 02:36 AM
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Maybe. I'd need a bit more clarification on this paragraph, I think. Toxic masculinity, "Man up," "Don't be a sissy" etc. There's this entanglement between the male gender role and just kind of gritting your teeth and not bitching about it. Female oppression seems to work out as limiting thier potential in most cases (aka the Glass Cieling) Male oppression seems to be about easily disposing of men that don't live up to a narrow, arbitrary standard. It may be part of the reason why a movement for…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 01:11 AM
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The liberation of women was asymmetrical because in a lot of ways, women needed it more Meh. I hesitate to try and speculate which gender has/had it worse overall, since it seems to intersect with too many other influences to try and isolate gender as the determining factor, IMO. Also, as a counterpoint, despite all of the reasons you listed for women needing liberation more, they were also ultimately capable of criticizing and escaping those roles whereas a core part of the male gender role is …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 11:51 PM
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Part of me wishes that we'd just open up the pathway to MGTOW (not complaining about women endlessly online, but actually GOTW) for men. You made a really good point about women being more comfortable single. It's a tougher for a man to operate outside of the purview of women than the reverse in a lot of ways. Casual sex can be difficult to find for the average guy, and prostitution's stigmatized, dangerous and illegal in a lot of places. Porn is great, but masturbation is seen more as a failure…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 06:12 PM
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I suppose what I'm referring to is this idea a lot of guys here seem to have that women get life support just for being women. It probably goes back to the very things you're referencing in you OP. Men seem to be at a real danger of being just non-functional/less functional compared to women, especially considering that men are under a constant threat of having their manhood/adulthood socially revoked. If you suscribe to an idea that women and men are mostly equal, it begs the question of what i…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 04:55 PM
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I live in a deep blue state
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 08:51 AM
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Being a decent person is the bare minimum for being tolerated in a society. That's just the thing though. Being a decent person is very much not a bare minimum.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 02:38 AM
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My fav blue pill rebuttal. Red Pillers: "I was told by several women throughout my life that women like nice men." Blue Pillers: "No you weren't."
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 02:31 AM
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Looks without a doubt
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 02:13 PM
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It does at least some of the time, right? It's not out of the ordinary to hook up and then move to something more serious, is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 01:19 PM
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The logic of this one always confuses me. How is it possible to get a serious relationship if you struggle to find anyone to sleep with you in the first place? In what world is there a woman who says about a man, "I wouldn't sleep with him (aka casual sex) but I'd marry him (aka serious relationship.)" Outside of something like a golddigger. In other words, if women have an easier time getting casual sex, that also means that they are going to have an easier time getting relationships, because b…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 02:56 AM
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I didn't do that. I challenged the idea that these problems are "men's problems" resulting from the matriarchy that oppresses men. To recap, u/grrrrrrroar claimed that we live in a matriarchy and, as evidence, cited male conscription a disproportionate male homeless population and a higher number if male suicides. Instead of questioning whether these issues were evidence of a matriarchy (a skepticism I'd agree with actually) you went directly to questioning the validity and/or existence of the i…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 11:17 PM
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My shit is like, why do we always have to try and justify what women want? They are human, they are allowed to be shallow and morally inferior. It's okay for dating to be unfair, superficial and even cruel. The entire rage phase is born out of this false narrative that tries to make it seem like everyone always gets what they deserve, but it would be a whole lot easier if everyone just admitted that the world is imperfect.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 08:16 PM
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As a disclaimer, my posts so far were meant to challenge your dismissal or denial that these problems even exist, an attitude that I see taken towards men far too often in our society. The very first step in rectifying these issues is to acknowledge them, and whether or not I personally have the expertise to propose viable solutions says nothing about the existence of the concerns. People are allowed to point out problems even if they don't have the answers. Throat clearing aside, if the first s…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 05:42 PM
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1) Only males 18 to 25 must register. Males 26+ are not required to. Every male who is aged 26+ went through the ages of 18 to 25 by definition. The various Selective Service Acts have existed in some form or another since World War One. Virtually every adult man, barring extenuating circumstances, has been subject to potential conscription for the last century, at least, by law. Women have not. Point is, many men 18-25 don't register and becase they don't vote, drive or apply for financial aid,…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 05:08 AM
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According to the US Selective Service System, the agency which maintains the information of US citizens eligible for a potential draft: Almost all male U.S. citizens and male immigrants, who are 18 through 25, are required to register with Selective Service.. Failing to register or comply with the Military Selective Service Act is a felony punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 or a prison term of up to five years, or a combination of both. As stated, this applies to males only. That the US mili…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/19 10:13 PM
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Rich is a subjective word. Working definition: Making enough money that it becomes attractive, i.e. more than average. That's quite difficult. Hell, in a lot of locations you pretty much need an advanced education and a lot of connections just to be able to afford your own place, much less be successful enough that women will sit up and take notice. Hey a hot body is great, it definitely increases you chances but ugly with muscles is still ugly, but with muscles. Women are less looks oriented to…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/19 09:36 PM
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Becoming rich or at least comfortable is in almost any mans reach if he works hard enough. Becoming interesting, if not born with it, is a bit harder but you can learn to improve your social skills. Becoming hot? MUCH MUCH harder, and in many cases impossible. Totally disagree. Becoming rich takes a FUCKTON of luck and usually a lot money in the first place. And even then, it's usually extremely difficult. Becoming interesting isn't that hard on it's own. The problem is that "interesting" is nar…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/19 04:37 PM
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Right. Except nobody has any delusions as to how flawed men are (especially not Gillette.) The "Women are Wonderful" effect is a thing. The "Men are Wonderful" effect, not so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 05:51 PM
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Then, I don't mean to gatekeep, but you are in the wrong thread. OP is very clearly not talking about guys who flip out over being rejected exclusively, at the most generous interpretation. Second, the type of total rejection by women you seem to be trying to pin only to the tantrum-throwing Nice Guys™ is something that absolutely does, in fact, happen to the perfectly decent men who never rage at a girl who rejects him.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 05:33 PM
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Men and women have always been selfish and made poor partner choices. But just now women are allowed to pull the same thing as men. The big difference being that there is a very consistent social narrative that this is men's behavior alone and that this is not how women behave, which forms the core of the Nice Guy's dating strategy. Case in point: Nice Guys who point this nature out are lectured about how they are not actually nice (because if they were, women wouldn't always reject them, of cou…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 05:20 PM
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Right. Funny thing about abuse stories is it's often a situation where everyone except the victim saw it coming a mile away.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 04:11 PM
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Most people can overlook a flaw, but too nice is often a symptom of a whole host of flaws. Logically though, are any of those flaws (which may not even be accurately predicted by "too niceness" alone) even remotely as severe as "might put you in the hospital/kill you? Even all of those flaws put together? The answer is no. And like you said, people who are abusive don't usually advertise the fact. But sometimes they don't bother trying to hide it. Sometimes they are really bad at hiding it or it…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 03:53 PM
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Please point me to someone who is saying otherwise? Well, read the OP. Read the perspective of any self-described Nice Guy. They invented the term. The very reason that they are called "Nice" is because this is how they describing themselves: Men who are (especially) kind to women they like, only to watch those women reject them in favor of men that treat others badly. That's the original definition. The definition that you are trying to use is an alternative rebuttal which only works because it…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 03:30 PM
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In any case, the revulsion that being too nice generates is completely disproportionate to the amount of damage it causes compared to other flaws. There is something often said about nice guys that I agree with: If "nice" is the only thing you can describe yourself as, then you're probably not all that interesting. "Nice" isn't enough. I'll offer a corollary: If (uninteresting/boring/weak/too nice) is the worst way you can describe yourself, I wouldn't expect you to be an utter failure at romanc…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 03:16 PM
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The Nice Guy™ trope is a post-hoc motte-and-bailey attempt to dismiss the complaints of "just kind people" who happened to also be romantically unsuccessful, in order to protect the idea of a just world and to stroke the egos of the people these people we're complaining about.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 03:03 PM
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That would be assuming that all Nice Guys explode at being rejected, a fallacy that has been addressed elsewhere in this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 02:49 PM
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Eveyobe hides their abusive side. It's why serial killers are described by their neighbours as "nice quiet family folk" Everyone hides thier flaws as a rule, to varying degrees of success. My point is that, for whatever reason, women seem highly attuned to detect weakness in men, in particular, to the point that a lot of weak men never can manage to find success at all, while other more severe flaws escape detection or consequences on the regular. Basically, weakness is punished far more harshly…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 02:47 PM
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Apparently, women often can't tell the difference but would rather risk the hospital
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 01:14 PM
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Yeah, but what's better for the female ego, here's a guy that's weak or here's a guy that is secretly evil?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 01:02 PM
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I would think that, if the goal is to eliminate oppression, the solution to this would be to challenge the beliefs of those communities/individuals, not to just continue to discriminate in the other direction wholesale against people that are far removed from the historical privelige. Otherwise, it can be argued that the goal isn't really equality, but revenge.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 03:56 PM
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That would only make sense in the case where disadvantages are heritable. Gender disadvantages are not really heritable.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 03:26 PM
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This is what I think too. From the perspective of an average male, I think that the rise of incels is going to shift the stigma away from just being single and more towards being upset about it. In addition, the ubiquity of porn and the dynamics of online dating will normalize long periods of being alone punctuated with occasional hookups if you're attractive and/or lucky. Subsequently, I think guys will end up less thirsty in the future. I'd imagine that LTRs that do happen will shift to women …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/19 07:06 PM
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She’s interested in rock climbing? Well, you can pull girls by being good at that and being able to teach her about it. She’s interested in music? Well you can pull girls by having all the ins for the music scene. Etc. It's only alpha if you're superior to her in some way (i.e. you know something she doesn't, you are skilled enough to act as her mentor or challenger, you have a bigger social circle in the scene)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/19 06:30 PM
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Because men are not usually treated nicely enough to know the difference
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/19 06:17 PM
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A distinction without a difference. When a woman stands next to you with that silly I want to fuck look does it matter who actually initiates contact? Yes, if nothing else other than plausible deniability. If it didn't make a difference, why isn't initiating contact equally distributed across genders?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/19 02:13 PM
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It's human mating strategies at a macro level. Women are going to want to filter out most men because pregnancy is an enormous risk. Easiest way to do that is to throw all of us in the deep end and let the weakest ones drown. In fact, add some extra weight to make damn sure the weak ones drown. Do everything in your power to stop men from collaborating to remove the extra weights or help the weak ones. Men are going to want to have as much sex with as many women as possible. Solution: lower stan…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/19 09:27 PM
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Same experience here. Worse, most of the men in my life were actually shitty so all of the negative messages I got about my gender seemed totally legit. Of course, my dumb ass never connected the dots as to how these actually shitty men women complained about still managed to get laid and have multiple children with multiple women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/19 02:39 PM
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Lucky him. Not all of us have those.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/19 02:05 PM
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This doesn't work. On the face of it, desperate people have low standards and will go with whoever gives them the time of day. Nice guys do exact the opposite of this and develop oneitis for one (usually very attractive) girl at a time, sometimes for years on end. Second, the entire zeitgeist of the nice guy is this interpretation that women say they would like to be with someone who is nice to them but then in practice reject or are outright repulsed by guys that make niceness a priority, in fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/19 01:59 PM
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Either be the fuckboi she's frustrated over or be the beta bux she's disgusted by. The Red Pill boiled down to one sentence.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/19 01:27 PM
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Since Trump got elected, I've been completely apathetic/nihilistic about politics, but the political compass says that I'm a bit to the left of Bernie Sanders (I don't want to tolerate guns is probably the main difference.) So basically, I idealize a more supportive society, as opposed to a dog-eat-dog natural selection type of situation. Most of what I argue here reflects that philosophy (which I find to be especially lacking when men are the ones needing help) although I do see the utility in …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/19 01:54 PM
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u/cxj is a Redditor of my own heart. "One of my merits is that I'm a woman." -Hillary Clinton, 2015 Says a lot about her campaign in that election, and the state of the Democratic party at that time.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/19 01:33 PM
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Right and I am saying you can fulfil #2 without getting casual sex, because really if you want casual sex most men have to actively look for it, you'll agree with that yes? It does not fall on your lap unless you're some ultra-chad. Whether or not you're looking for casual sex or a LTR is a personal preference, but my point is that some of the requirements of getting finding a LTR are the same requirements for successfly finding a ONS. If I was incapable of finding a LTR, then I could possibly s…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/19 11:15 AM
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no man she trusts is ever going to sexually harass or hurt her. This right here is the crux of it. Probably better said, Disney teaches her that the guy she loves will be the prince charming who sweeps her off her feet. She doesn't see it coming when she falls for a guy and he was just telling her what she wanted to hear. In a way it's Disney giving her the idea that her judgement in men is infallible and that it's always easy to tell the good men from the bad. ​
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/19 09:18 PM
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You're still not understanding what I'm trying to say. Women that are not interested in ONS are just not interested in casual sex with anyone period. But being attractive is necessary regardless of whether she's looking for a quick tumble or a boyfriend. There are two things that must be true for a casual sex situation to happen. (These are not necessarily the only two things, but these are mandatory.) Both parties have to be willing and able to have casual sex. Both parties have to be attracted…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/19 09:03 PM
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Men are commonly seen by a lot of people as shallow horndogs who are concerned with women's looks almost to the exclusion of everything else, so if they behave this way, it's no surprise. Women very commonly self report being less concerned with looks and more concerned with what's inside, completely contrary to the behavior I've seen.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/19 05:23 AM
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The audience of women seeking out ONS is significantly smaller than those seeking out LTRs. No what I'm saying is that if you're incapable of getting a ONS with someone, then you're going to also be incapable of getting a LTR with anyone. There are some guys where a woman will say "I'll fuck him but I wouldn't marry him." There are not guys where a woman will say "I'll marry him but I wouldn't fuck him." In other words focusing, on developing LTR value without also having any STR value is a non-…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/19 05:18 AM
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The thing about this is that being able to get short term success is kind of a prerequisite for long term success. One follows the other. Like, it's not like there's a situation where a woman wouldn't casually have sex with or date a guy but she'd totally marry him, outside of maybe a golddigger.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/19 06:40 PM
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True that. I love being approached, so much that my dating strategy is kind of geared in that direction. I guess you could call me a better fisherman than a hunter. But still, like you said there's these games we have to play so I've had to learn to be at least competent in the traditional way. You seem like a very empathetic, open minded person and I'm glad you're comfortable doing your own thing. Sounds like your partner is very lucky :)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/19 03:57 PM
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I don't think it's so much that women are lying as much as it's that men and women have different priorities. Men want one thing from a lot of women, but women want a lot of things from one man. Men are going to want to include most women in his dating pool, because the onus is usually on him to approach and the more shots he takes the better chance he has at winning. So his requirements are going to be literally bare minimum and very straightforward. A woman is going to be about narrowing down …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/19 03:42 PM
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I'm a pretty picky person and if you've checked every other box but your a 3 it doesn't matter because the combo of everything else is rare. It was said before hot guys are a dime a dozen, but a dude that I click with, is responsible, and has his mental health under control seems like a unicorn now. This is so key. Like you said, it's unicorn rare for someone to have his or her shit totally together to the point where he or she can pass with a 3 in attractiveness. It's so rare that it's unrealis…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/19 03:30 PM
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Relax. You associated bad character with RP in this kind of chicken and egg scenario. I'm saying that RP is simply a result of being bad at dating when trying to follow the mainstream blue pill model. "Character" has nothing to do with it. You may or may not agree with that. I know for sure the bloops on this sub don't because they seem to equate RP with misogyny. From the BP perspective, the character judgement comes from the fact that someone subscribes to RP theory because RP theory is bad. F…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/19 03:08 PM
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Because we get a lot of information suggesting that women do not care about looks, often from women themselves. There is a very prevalent social narrative that portrays men as horndogs who are very concerned about women's attractiveness, almost to the exclusion of everything else. On the other hand, women are portrayed as being less shallow and looks oriented than men are. This is usually self-reported by women so it's not like men pull that idea out of thin air. Probably every man on this sub h…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/19 02:23 PM
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Well that's not a phenomenon exclusive to women... what can I say? Humans suck sometimes. The part that's kind of exclusive to women is that you tend to 1) have a misleading definition of "bare minimum" and 2) leave important things out of the bare minimum. For example: You talked about how guys will sometimes say that they just want a nice, pretty girl but then later add on stuff like cooking, compatible interests etc. The thing is that the stuff added on like cooking are not bare minimum. Thos…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/19 11:41 PM
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The bare minimum means I'm not going to reject you outright. What I'm saying is men observe that a lot of the time the stated bare minimums are not the actual bare minimums, sometimes by country mile. As in, a girl says that a guy needs to be faithful and nice bare minimum (i.e. he needs to be faithful and nice to not get rejected outright) but will go all the way to dating guys that are the exact opposite of those things. And we see this phenomenon again and again to the point where RP starts s…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/19 10:37 PM
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It's a chicken and egg thing. Did RP cause their bad character, or did having bad character lead them to RP? I lean towards the latter, but do acknowledge that not all of them will fit the 'bad character,' er, characterization. If anything turned me off the blue pill, it's this psuedo-Calvinist just world outlook that your dating success is any reliable indication of your character or morality. The sheer amount and frequency of truly awful, vile human beings that have no trouble dating flies in …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/19 10:23 PM
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Nice, and faithful are like bare minimums One of the things that drive men towards RP is seeing a lot of evidence that being nice and faithful are actually not, in fact, the bare minimums in the slightest despite virtually every woman claiming so. I know, I know. You're speaking for yourself and women are not a monolith. But understand that it's not like men want RP to be true. And it's not like what men are observing is some kind of super rare outlier. Once upon a time, RP guys bought hook, lin…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/19 09:34 PM
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A woman doesn’t just want a man who can provide, she wants a man who will -- a good guy who isn’t going to blithely use her for sex, babies, arm candy, and domestic labor. Opposite of my experience. At least when they are young, women prioritize hot guys over good guys. Ideally, she wishes that the hot guys were also good guys, but given the choice between a hot guy who isn't very good and a good guy that isn't very hot, she'll choose the hot one.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/19 02:29 PM
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Imagine telling someone from 1800 that we pay to go workout in a gym. They would think we are nuts Lol I wouldn't say that...gyms go back to the ancient Greeks
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/19 02:10 PM
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So when we comunincate our preference we often forget men don't have a natural inclination to look as good as they can. At a glance, it seems like women generally tend to assume that deal breakers are obvious and universally understood, whereas men seem to be trying to figure out what the deal breakers even are. This goes for appearances and personality. It's the disconnect between the pills in a nutshell.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/19 01:53 PM
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AXE really pulled off an amazing anti-toxic masculinity message with some of their recent ads, which was especially impressive considering that they had built the brand on the male stereotype of sex-crazed douchebagguery since forever. I hope whoever came up with that campaign got a raise. That is how you appeal to men. Not by putting us down but by lifting us up, by encouraging us, valuing us and including us. By finally, finally, fucking finally accepting us for who we really are and not just …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/19 05:46 PM
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If OP were being genuine and arguing in good faith, they'd admit that women receieve negative messages all of their lives from media too. We're never thin enough, pretty enough, we never look young enough, we're never good enough mothers, our houses, kids, clothes, toilet bowls, etc are never perfect enough. Isn't this quite different than the Gillette piece though? Advertising for men and women (and children, elderly etc) is usually a form of emotional manipulation where "Hey! You wouldn't suck…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/19 06:44 AM
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The same reason that pickup and RP work, despite women swearing up and down that it's the work of the devil. It's just the great filter that is modern dating in action. Toxic masculinity in moderation can be attractive but taken to the extreme can be threatening to women. Women/feminists/society are less concerned with getting men laid than keeping women safe, so they broker little nuance and will cast these behaviors as ills on society and anyone who disagrees as a mysoginist. A lot of men acce…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/19 06:06 AM
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I'm not counting catcalling, because that isn't actually hitting on you, thats some fucked up power shit Why not both at least? I've been catcalled by women as a guy and I'd definitely count it as being hit on.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/19 09:38 AM
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Exactly. Being yourself might work in a fair world. In our world, the only thing that works is being competitive.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/19 08:48 AM
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From my own observations and experiences, women dont want average. If there 101 guys to choose from, they would want the one that stands above the rest (in one way or another). PUA Rule 1: Dont do what everyone else does. So average is not attractive. Beyond this, you have a definition of "average" which is kind of unrealistic under scrutiny. If we take this most people are not spectacular. most ppl are normal, competent, social, and likable enough. as average, then most people fail. Most everyo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/19 08:32 AM
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Like I said, I don't think that "the everyman" is as common as you're making it out to be. I think it's more likely, particularly with men, to have someone who is above what you would call average or someone who is below that. At the same time, it is still a spectrum with some people being closer to the mean. To say it more exactly, I think that the RP (or rather incel) notion that any guy that can manage get laid is an alpha or Chad, looks like Jason Momoa and has a bank account to match is obv…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/19 05:07 AM
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I think there are less "average" guys i.e. moderate in all categories than most people realize, and that what we really have is a whole lot of guys closer to either extreme.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/19 02:14 AM
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Again, to me, someone lacking social skills means nothing. It fleshes out their character, sure, but it's unfathomable that I would be willing to sleep with someone at one moment and then do a 180 just because I discovered that they had to try and actively learn social skills. What you seem to be describing is something like this: There is an episode of The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air where Will gets locked in a basement for a few hours with his date, and slowly all of her beauty enhancements start …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/19 09:13 AM
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You wouldn't call someone a judgemental ass because he refused to sleep with a perfectly nice but ugly woman, if you follow me? The equivalent here would be he refused to sleep with an attractive girl because she used to be ugly. As per your first examples: A girl that liked you well enough to go on a date with you suddenly gets the heebie-jeebies because she found out you had to actively learn social skills. You feel some type of way when you discover that your bro, whom you presumably enjoyed …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 10:44 PM
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Sure, that's nice of you. But it wouldn't change that you'd think they have a problem with their social skills, however nice you were being. That's just the thing. I don't think that lacking social skills is a "problem." Just like any other skills, they have to be learned, practiced and there is always going to be a variation of ability levels between people. I'm not going to think any less of a person who isn't as skilled with socials as I am, just like I wouldn't think less of someone who was …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 10:01 PM
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Either way, the world is rife with double standards-- stop playing the victim and complaining about how unfair things are; accept it and adapt accordingly or get used to being unhappy and frustrated for the rest of your life And yet, feminism exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 06:05 PM
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It would be pretty weird to date a girl and go back to her place, and find "How to Talk to Your Date" by Alice McSlackflaps beside her bed. You might feel like the whole date was manufactured, you might think she was weird. Or if you went over to your bro's place and he had "So, you can't make any friends" in his book shelf. Or...OR...you could not be a judgemental ass to your date or "bro" just because you're someone lucky enough to have good social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 03:40 PM
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Handwriting. That's one of the wierdest things for me that you can tell the gender of a person with a pretty reliable accuracy just from the handwriting. As a side note: one of the only times I incorrectly pegged someone's writing as female, it turned out to be a gay man which I thought was interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 06:58 AM
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These always blow my mind. Also, better color vision (I'm colorblind.) Feels like I'm witnessing literal superpowers sometimes with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 06:52 AM
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I actually really agree with this argument. Consider my view changed. Edit: although this hinges on "initial investor." Locking down an already wealthy person and then expecting a 50% cut is less defensible, although in that case the responsibility would lie with the wealthy person taking steps to protect themselves with a prenup. (I realize this is not what's happening with the Bezos's, just saying.)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 04:57 AM
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Of course we're talking about BILLIONS here. Sure, she was in on Amazon from day one, supported Jeff, raised his children, held down the fort, etc. But on a fundamental level, she did exactly what millions of other spouses do for far, far less compensation. No one is going to argue against her deserving something. But BILLIONS? The only thing that remotely justifies that is that her husband turned out to be the richest person in the world, but she's fundamentally no different than, say, a plumbe…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 02:29 AM
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Hypergamy is evolution's fault. Having a child takes a big enough toll on every aspect of a woman that she's going to want to get the most bang for her buck, so her mating strategy is going to be about filtering out most men, whereas men, having no such consequences, are going to try to spread their seed far and wide. It's leads to a cyclical situation where pussy is expensive and men are thirsty. Which means women have sexual power and privilege. Which further raises the cost of pussy and so on…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/19 07:38 PM
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I think it's just that men are more likely to be in a situation where they feel like they don't have any choice or ability in the matter. Feeling powerless is a pretty reliable path towards depression.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/19 05:07 AM
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It comes down to choice. If you choose to be celibate (i.e. you legitimately think being celibate is your best or part of your best option) then you can be happy. If you're celibate unwillingly though, that's when it gets rough. So for the non-pedophile clergy, never having sex is a reasonable bargain for thier position, to get into heaven, to serve the community etc. For a lay woman, the issue is probably that the sex she can get isn't worth the effort and/or sex can be a huge risk that she is …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/19 05:03 AM
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If you've been using RP tactics to attract women it's no surprise that you would think that this is true for women in general. This is a post hoc rationalization. Watching women repeatedly choose men that put them through emotional rollercoasters over stable, boring guys is what drives men towards RP in the first place. Not the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/19 07:35 AM
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a woman who dates just any guy who comes along is a dumb slut who deserves what's coming to her. I didn't see anything saying that in the OP. It's pretty explicitly about women that repeatedly fall for morally bankrupt men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/19 01:12 AM
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Guys want to be the kind of guy a girl will blow in the parking lot on her lunch break or in a bar bathroom then never see him again, not the kind of guy who dates her seriously and wonders what the hell his girlfriend was thinking when she did that with another guy. Guys want to be whichever guy the girl wants, which they eventually find more often than not isn't the kind of guy that wants to date her seriously unless he's also hot enough to blow in the parking lot. That is the main understandi…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/19 09:27 AM
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You could have opened any men's magazine to get similarly helpful advice, but without the misogyny and manipulative tactics of TRP. So what was it that helped? Was it the mainstream stuff or was it RP advice like dread game, AWALT and women are manipulative children? I don't think this is a fair description of most mainstream dating advice, at least until recently. Everyone tries to shout down the practical red pill advice as if it was so commonly understood and the only appeal is the questionab…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/19 11:12 PM
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You should use people that rely on mainstream advice as a control group and not people that lived in a delusional fantasy world where women are perfect angels that would never lie and looks do not matter at all. The thing is that most red pillers did rely on mainstream advice and it led them directly to the delusional fantasy world, which is just evidence that mainstream advice isn't applicable for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/19 10:34 PM
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If intersectional feminism was correct, black men would be better off than black women. But black men are clearly more oppressed. Not if you ask black women, though. Black women will fight tooth and nail to own that oppression narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 08:16 PM
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Just get it over with and kiss already
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 12:32 AM
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This is fucking insane
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 08:52 AM
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Not only would that have been fine, she would probably have appreciated it. In my experience, complimenting a girl's fashion sense and style is especially well received. I usually notice a girl's shoes first thing, for example, and I've never gotten anything but good vibes from girls I've complimented in that way. Like I said, women generally get creeped out being sexually objectified but seem to appreciate compliments based on other things.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/18 10:45 PM
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It's probably lewdness/rudeness level as a major factor. "I like your shoes," to a stranger unsolicited is not catcalling. "You have nice legs," is probably catcalling. "I wanna fuck that sweet ass" is definitely catcalling. Additionally, there's a level of prior personal interaction involved. Saying "you're hot" to a girl at the bar you've been chatting with for a few minutes, not catcalling. Shouting "you're hot" to a random girl waiting at a crosswalk as you drive by, catcalling.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/18 07:05 PM
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I'm a guy and I've never catcalled anyone before, but actually I've been catcalled in Jersey one time. It was definitely creepy, but then again she looked like a crack whore, so the creep level probably depends on who's doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/18 06:50 PM
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How does a female "enjoy the decline"? I'd imagine that if you're unenthusiastic about both marriage and sex you'd not feel like you were missing anything by finding fulfillment entirely out of the mating market. So just enjoy life outside of dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/18 02:31 AM
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Red Pill focuses on specific demographics of women to the exclusion of others. It talks about how all women are but the women they describe, use as examples, etc, are all primarily middle to upper middle class straight white women between the ages of puberty and maybe 35 who reside mostly in the US and UK and then brings in evolutionary psychology. How much of that is due to Reddit in particular but probably most frequent manosphere types overall being primarily middle to upper middle class stra…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/18 07:52 AM
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Well said. The big advantage that RP has is that it legitimately helps you get laid. While there may be "better" or more idealistically pure philosophies out there, if we're being honest most of them can only say "Well this won't get you laid but..." At which point struggling men just stop listening. It's one of the big blindsides in the kind of self-help, feel good mainstream culture. It's great to be able happy regardless of your circumstances, but usually, people just want results. There's th…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/18 12:23 AM
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You don't have a leg to stand on in either case. You've still not made any valid argument backing up your accusation that I've been critical of women or hypocritical.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 08:08 PM
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Oh I'm sorry. I should have said "you're reading things that aren't there on your witch-hunt to paint me as a mysoginist label me a hypocrite" as if that makes your bullshit accusations any more valid.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 07:01 PM
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Women like narratives. Just being loyal and kind isn't a compelling story, so women aren't interested in that. Men just want an attractive stable girl. Women want their own goddamn personal romance novel.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 05:08 PM
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Women are attracted to the narrative. Creepy dudes aren't creepy because they're objectively ugly. Creepy dudes are creepy because they seem to fit right into a rape/murder horror story.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 05:05 PM
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You are trying very hard to be offended. It wouldn't be a criticism to say that a soldier would probably be better at murder, because he has the training. It's just a logical observation. That doesn't mean I'm calling soldiers murderers. And nowhere did I even begin to imply that women are in any way "worse" than men because of probably learning skills that would be relevant for manipulation. You're reading in things that aren't there on your witch-hunt to paint me as a mysoginist. There is so m…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 05:25 AM
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Apologies. I mistook you for the other guy that suddenly vomited a bunch of studies at me illustrating how women have it worse than men in every situation for all time. Also. "Women learn better social skills" is criticism now?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 01:34 AM
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I just love how the discussion about which gender has it worse, with regards to oppression is apparently “unnecessary” yet you then go on to emphasize how women supposedly manipulate men more. Dude. I never made a call as to which gender manipulates more, much less argued that anyone has it worse. Apparently, when women have something worse (i.e when men do more of a particular bad behavior), it’s irrelevant to talk about because you prefer to keep up the “men are wonderful” environment here, ye…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 06:59 AM
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You're the only one playing Oppression Olympics here. Gender bias exists. Trying to compete about which gender has it "worse" overall as a proxy for who's more right is unnecessary IMHO. As far as the argument of whether men or women are easier to manipulate: I don't know. Plenty of people of either gender are manipulated by the opposite gender, although off the top of my head I'd imagine that women tend to be better at manipulation as a whole, through learning better social skills on average th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/18 04:18 PM
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F
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/18 08:13 AM
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I never said bias doesn't exist, though. What I'm saying is that gender constructs are not as simple as "women are devalued." Sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't. It depends. For every area that women are devalued there's likely another where men are devalued instead. Part of this means the same messages are highly subject to drawing individual conclusions.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/18 11:16 PM
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Not necessarily marriages, specifically, but over all relationships in their lifetimes I'd imagine men end up taking what they can get more just because they have less options in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/18 07:06 PM
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Eh. YMMV on that by a huge margin. There's definitely a fairly common interpretation of all that which teaches a boy to pedestalize girls and devalue himself. A boy that will be brought up to believe that it is his duty to protect and provide for girls because his only value is in how useful he can be for them, that he owes women deference because they are assumed to be morally superior. Guys who get that not unusual upbringing definitely are more likely to be putty in any woman's hands. I disag…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/18 11:07 AM
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Are the self reported surveys about what they'd prefer or what they get? I'm willing to bet that men's and women's standards for relationships may be pretty similar but once you get down to the brass tacks men end up conceding more over their sexual lifetimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 06:58 AM
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Lol That's such a rookie mistake. The bartenders are harder to pick up than the actual strippers, which is saying a lot. You ain't slick...the bartender knows exactly what you're doing the second you say more than "thanks for the drink."
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/18 04:09 PM
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If men are choosing porn over women what does that say about women?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 04:37 AM
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This is good, but what stands out to me is how much longer, nuanced and expository the Blue suggestions are, which I think highlights why a lot of men fail trying to apply it. I think in many ways it's kind of describing an idealized partner/person rather than a practical one. Not to say that it's wrong per se, just that it is more describing what would improve a person that already knows how to date. To wit, there are plenty of people who have absolutely no trouble finding partners and do exact…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 10:35 PM
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Honestly, I think you're right. But I think it's better to tell people the truth. If you look at what most RP men get upset about, it's not the fact that dating is hard or unfair. It's that they were lied to. On one hand, yes, you may get some men who look at the situation they're in and decide it isn't worth it (thus forfeiting any chance of getting lucky.) But denying them that choice is morally wrong, IMO. And these men are balanced (actually probably outweighed IMO) by the men who will take …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 04:51 PM
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Because when it's a positive or nuetral generalization AWALT. It's only NAWALT if it makes women look bad, and we can't have that, silly.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 03:47 AM
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So. You're saying that there has never been a case of a perfectly decent man being misjudged and called a creep? (Like for example if he's awkward and she's a douchebaguette? Or maybe even something like a misunderstanding and poor judgement?) Because that is a very bold claim. Are you saying that someone that acts "creepy" is automatically a bad person? Or that your personal definition of "creepy" is totally reasonable, justified and universal? Are you saying that everyone who is harshly reject…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 05:41 PM
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No it literally does not. Just the dictionary definition of "involuntary" and "celibate." Besides, the term itself was coined by a woman to describe the condition of not being able to participate sexually/romantically in the first place, long before r/incels was a thing. And "virgin" and Nice Guy are definitely not necessarily the same thing, seeing as we were all virgins at some point and only a few of us ended up as Nice guys. Also, a Nice Guy could sleep with a hooker and he'd very likely sti…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 05:23 PM
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I meant incelled literally, as in involuntarily celibate, as in they just can't get laid. "Incel" does not automatically mean "posts mysoginistic rants online."
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 05:04 PM
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This thread is about Nice Guys
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 04:59 PM
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I think what's particularly jarring about it for a lot of guys is just how disproportionate the penalty for being a Nice Guy is. Like, the reasons why Nice Guys come off as unattractive make sense and logically if you understand that much then it stands to reason that a Nice Guy would do worse in the dating market, possibly even worse than an actually bad person who otherwise has charisma in spades. But it goes much further than that. These guys are usually totally locked out of dating and compl…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 09:58 AM
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Fascinating perspective. Moral of the story here is that it doesn't so much matter what is being done, as much as who's doing it a la the RP truism that the only difference between creepy behavior and acceptable flirtatious behavior is the attractiveness of the guy. I'd imagine that a man who'd had one night stands would be most amenable to you if those experiences consisted of, say, late night rendezvous with attractive, well put together career women at airport bars during business trips, inst…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 05:12 AM
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This is a very good example of how the theory of beta buxxing and riding the CC can be basically a projection for a lot of men. It's coming from a default experience of scarcity and low value. Basically, if men suddenly had the sexual power that women do, they would have as much sex as they could for as long as they could, only settling down when/if they start to see the writing on The Wall. From that perspective, the idea that women don't always behave this way is completely baffling and/or imp…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 04:02 AM
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These are complex, highly politicized dynamics that foster conflicts and finger pointing between the genders. Unfortunately, research suggests that women do in fact find sexist men attractive. "Unfortunately." Because it turns out that women in the dating market are often not as enlightened or progressive as feminists would have you believe. The horror! ​
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 04:10 PM
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Nail on the head. This is a fantastic post.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 04:38 AM
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This was a thing when/where I was growing up (Late 90's- early aughts urban America.) In addition to it being seen as "submissive," it was also seen as proof of your low sexual value that you had to "earn" women's favor by reciprocating. Typical male braggadocio. A true P.I.M.P. shouldn't have to offer these hoes much of anything. Several rappers bragged about never eating pussy in thier lyrics. Probably in the same vein as the most recent DJ Khaled statements on the subject.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/18 01:07 PM
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The problem is not that women want jerks. The problem is your/TRPs confirmation bias. Is it really being said that all women want jerks, though? I think it's more highlighting that people, women included, are shallow and want someone attractive more than anything else, with a side order of attractive people get away with a lot of shit. The whole discussion about whether women like nice guys or jerks is a red herring. This would be a necessary counter to a narrative that men believe (from whateve…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/18 09:21 AM
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No, but girls will straight up tell you about that time he cheated, or stole from her, or neglected her, or even beat her etc. only for you then to watch her go right back to him and dudes like him. It happens. Dating isn't exactly a moral purity test.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/18 08:58 AM
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I'd say it's more that the jerk is doing well despite objectively being a jerk to those women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/18 06:48 AM
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No, it's pretty much the straightforward definition of jerk or asshole i.e. a rude, cruel, inconsiderate person that mistreats other people for no reason. Guys who conclude that women like jerks are usually observing some variation of the following. Woman says she doesn't want to be mistreated, specifically things like being lied to, cheated on, abused, taken for granted, used for sex, treated in various mysoginistic and demeaning ways. Men who would do that are jerks, she says. Woman proceeds t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/18 06:47 AM
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True that. The same way it's hard af to find a living wage in a factory or some shit nowadays because they can just hire some kid in China for 2c an hour. The world has changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/18 12:29 AM
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And then we get femsplained and fought tooth and nail that all this never happened or, if it did, how we were dumbass autists because we actually believed it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/18 12:32 PM
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Wtf where have you been
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/18 09:10 PM
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Stud camps where men are collared and sexually used. As a man, I should hate this but I'll...be in my bunk.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/18 08:53 PM
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Thanks for that. We need more people like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/18 07:18 PM
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Are you kidding? Blowing your load all alone in your bedroom doesn't give you love, warmth, acceptance, companionship, belonging. It doesn't make you feel attractive, wanted, desired, socially competent, adequate enough that someone actually wants to be with you (in various stages of undress even!) even if just for a moment. All it does is kind of satisfy a chemical craving and, if you're unlucky, remind you just how alone you are that there is never anyone around to share this with you. I'll te…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/18 06:49 PM
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I'm just trying to point out that while I agree that timid guys are indeed flawed, it's disproportionate how stonewalled these guys get in the dating market (like no pussy, at all, ever) when women will gladly put up with men that are demonstrably and unequivocally much worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/18 05:23 PM
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It honestly makes me irrationally angry to think about how many young, idealistic guys will put thier faith into advice like this and proceed to have thier hearts ripped out. Meanwhile, OP has success on the order of 30 men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/18 03:41 PM
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You’re qualified to dictate women’s experiences how? Do women not regularly complain about being subjected to unrealistic and damaging standards of beauty? I'm trying to validate y'alls experiences. You're trying to invalidate ours. “society”’is full of men who do this and do well with women. Stop with the excuses. And fat women still get laid. Doesn't mean it's widely attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/18 02:35 PM
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I guess a better way to say it is that men are actually misled as to how to be romantically successful in a way that women very much aren't. There are definitely more accurate messages that men absorb from things like media as well, but this is often heavily countered by the things that they are literally told by women/authority figures. What I mean to say is that it isn't surprising at all that a lot of men have completely incorrect ideas about dating into middle age almost while women seem to …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/18 01:37 PM
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You can be the most entitled fuck in the entire world, if you're sufficiently attractive, you'll also find partners. 100x this. People always try to moralize dating success as if better people always do better in the dating market. It's not that romantically unsuccessful lose out because they're bad people and deserve it. It's because how good of a person you are pales in comparison to raw attractiveness in the SMP.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/18 01:30 PM
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That doesn't follow. If you wanted to avoid your daughter getting pregnant wouldn't you completely mislead her as to what men find attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/18 01:21 PM
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Sure. By middle school I had a lot of women telling me and my friends that women just liked nice sweet guys and that looks weren't all that important.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/18 01:16 PM
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You are. Some of (proverbial) you just didn't listen or heard what you wanted to hear. Because you're qualified to dictate men's experiences how exactly? Because what makes men attractive is broadly incompatible with civilization LOL. Yeah OK. Society needs men who follow rules and don't rock the boat to a fault. This behavior can be counterproductive in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/18 01:11 PM
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Really? What's all this I'm always hearing about how women are subjected to damaging and unrealistic standards of beauty?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/18 12:53 PM
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Not trying to point the finger at you. Just making an observation about society.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/18 09:58 AM
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He doesn't respect himself and let's other people walk all over him. Why should I respect him if he doesn't respect himself nor demand respect from others? Here's what fucks me up about this though. I get that weak guys are unattractive, but someone who is kind of a doormat can often do worse than people who are actively malicious. The penalties are completely disproportionate. Like, the worst impact a timid milquetoast man is going to have is probably on himself, but he gets avoided like the pl…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/18 09:38 AM
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If you flipped this type of argument to anything that women are judged for/struggle with in the SMP everyone would completely lose thier shit and name you a mysoginist shitlord. Case in point: fat acceptance.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/18 08:21 AM
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Getting into a relationship that might eventually come under strain is nowhere near "the same results" of being rejected over and over again.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/18 08:17 AM
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they othe rnice guy. Played nice to girls he wants to get with. Gets defensive and upset when he is friend zoned or turned down. Is actually manipulative. Fwiw, I don't think this actually exists in any major number. What you have is an actual nice guy (the first one) who eventually gets frustrated and explodes after many failures. The second guy who plays nice is an invention made up after the fact by feminists to explain how him getting upset isn't a valid emotion or complaint.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/18 07:29 AM
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Both of you are skirting the issue in that neither explanation addresses at all why this is a male thing and not a people thing. Boys and girls are both subject to schools, helicopter parenting and participation trophies. So why is it mostly boys that end up incels, nice guys, in the manosphere, trp and mass shooting? Because girls are told, accurately and in no uncertain terms, what it takes to be attractive and succeed at mating. Why are men not given this information? Because what makes men a…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/18 07:15 AM
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Nobody looks at a timid man and shudders, "Ew." Oh I've seen this happen many, many times. Usually from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/18 06:19 AM
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Of course, same goes for men right? Considering that women are the only ones who get pregnant, not really. Everyone wants the best partner they can find but there's a lot more at stake for women, since having kids can torpedo a woman's sexual value and saddle her with an 18+ year responsibility that's not always the same for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/18 05:21 AM
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Probably because it's in a woman's best intrest to filter out most men and attract the highest quality man she can find.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/18 03:01 PM
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Ah. To be young and innocent again. Before the world turned me cold.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/18 07:30 AM
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regardless, the fact remains that nobody is developing a hot personality by theorizing about it online. all this talk about it is cultivating the opposite of a hot personality. the only thing for it is to go out into the real world and interact with real people. force yourself to do it until you improve. I used to practice martial arts. One of the things I learned is that if I wanted to improve, I couldn't be afraid to get kicked in the face sometimes. I think the same thing happens with dating.…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/18 05:20 AM
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My point is that for average or below average looking guys, you can still be very attractive to a woman by bringing a hot personality. I agree. I think that this presents a problem that the others are missing in essence. While women's physical standards aren't impossibly high, personality standards can be. A "hot personality" is kind of narrowly defined and if you don't have it, it can be very difficult to develop, particularly because some of the most efficient ways to develop such a personalit…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/18 10:02 PM
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I'm going to go against the grain here and say it's going to be easier in the long run. I think practical celibacy is just going to become more normal for most men which will shift the onus of initiating relationships to women. With women's standards constantly rising, the threat of creepshaming and #metoo, the ubiquity of porn, and the social excommunication of incel and manosphere thought, I imagine men will eventually just...give up. In a couple of decades I don't think most young guys are go…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/18 02:06 PM
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In the words of Homer Simpson, "Trying is the first step toward failure." A lot of feminist zeal seems to come from this kind of rage about being limited, because if it wasn't for that damned patriarchy she'd do great things. Of course she would. She's smart and capable and hey she can always try, try again. Men, on the other hand, are often living under this crushing anxiety and perception that if there is no ceiling there is also no floor. You win or you die. Chalk it up to the way men are usu…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/18 11:40 PM
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Getting into a relationship and getting a hook up involve literally the exact same skills. The only difference is intention. The guy that hooks up a lot of has a lot of practice building those skills so of course he's going to be better at getting into relationships than the guy that doesn't sleep around. It's just that the player probably doesn't want to get into a relationship, not that he can't. That's why it's bullshit when blue pillers try to make it seem like adopting TRP can only ever get…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/18 12:28 PM
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Indeed. Most responses in this thread are predictably derived from the female strategy of just not being disgusting and waiting. Doesn't work that way for men. We have to actively make things happen or go incel, unless we are very attractive ofc.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/18 08:56 AM
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Right. For men nothing "just happens." Most of the strategies in this thread boil down to "don't be repulsive" but it doesn't work like that for men. We have to learn how to positively build attraction if we want to actively date.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/18 08:43 AM
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The Beast spends most of the time trying to learn how not to be an immature asshole. He doesn't even begin to learn how to groom himself at all until the third act (when the servants pressure him into taking a bath) and even then thinks it's "stupid." They make several references to how feral and animalistic he is and how he only starts to change after most of the story is over. For ugly people in movies, there are very few references that I can think of that have anything to do with pure ugline…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/18 02:17 PM
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I just read your edits. Allow me to retort. Same with in Frozen The "nicer" man wins, but there was never an ugly or lazy man in the running. This is exactly what I've been saying. Media doesn't portray unattractive people in general, so it doesn't make sense to automatically isolate attractiveness as a variable. What's the biggest difference between DiCaprio and Zane in Titanic? One is an asshole. For one thing, not taking time to look good, isn't what I'd consider a nice thing to do, if you're…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/18 01:13 PM
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Peter Parker is written as an awkward unpopular poindexter that ends up with smoking hot Mary-Jane. Dreamboat? Hardly. Don't let your crush on Tom Holland fool you. Everyone in Hollywood is attractive. Leonardo DiCaprio is attractive but so is Billy Zane. Beauty and the Beast is the most damning one of the bunch. The Beast is a literal, growling, slobbering animal that Belle falls in love with without knowing that he will turn into a handsome prince, while meanwhile repeatedly rejecting the vill…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/18 12:09 PM
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That attractiveness is a factor isn't very clear because in media, you rarely see anyone who's truly ugly regardless. What you do see is good, righteous people getting happy endings and assholes getting destroyed. Hell, often what happens is that the explicitly less attractive ones are still given happy endings to push the "it's what's inside that counts" Aesop, a la Beauty and the Beast, Titanic, Spider-Man, and yes, Frozen (Hans is a literal wealthy, handsome Prince, Sven is a scruffy bum livi…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/18 11:19 AM
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Woman never seem to grow up disillusioned that niceness is enough and we have more or less equaltarian upbringings. Same schools, same media We absolutely do not have equal upbringings. Same schools, same media. But completely different messages. This isn't a case of men just mysteriously not catching the memo somehow. Women are bombarded with beauty standards from birth, which while damaging, is far closer to reality than the kind of lies that a lot of men are fed. There is no stereotype of guy…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/18 10:40 AM
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Slutty daughter. Just being slutty doesn't seem to come with the mental illness and social isolation that inceldom does, and having the capacity to be slutty at least means that you're a bit socially acceptable in some way. Reading through the comments, it seems to break between choosing slutty daughter because it's potentially better for the kid but incel son because it's potentially better for the parent. Depends on what your priority is I suppose.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/18 05:56 AM
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Yes, the important addendum being that women dislike men that are afraid of pissing them off almost worse than anything else. Like, being afraid of upsetting women is often literally worse than actually upsetting them, which is part of why the whole nice guy/jerk dichotomy arises over and over again. It's extremely surprising, confusing and counterintuitive to a lot men just how much being seen as a sycophant devalues men in women's eyes.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/18 05:51 PM
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Go shoe shopping
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/18 06:33 PM
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Is this something that can be developed? I thought it was considered an inborn sexual orientation.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/18 02:23 PM
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Literally Superman is creepy af now. Let that sink in.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/18 02:16 PM
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Adding to the pile of personal anecdata, myself as the example. First of all, I'm normally super unassertive, and doormat-y so I was certainly a typical nice guy growing up. On the other hand, if I suspected a girl liked me and I wasn't so into her I would adopt the opposite strategy and actively try to be kind of an asshole (for me this was actually still pretty tame) "You don't really want me, look how much of an asshole I'm being right now!" It never worked. In fact, I ended up with a LTR tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/18 01:03 PM
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Everyone is insecure. Men just have to pay for it. I don't think that people are more insecure inherently, it's that in the past no one gave a shit how insecure you were. You were expected to shut up and do your job. For women, this has changed with the help of feminism. People acknowledge that there are social pressures which a lot of women struggle with, society is taken to task and accommodations are made for the variation on abilities, skills, circumstances and values of every individual wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/18 05:36 AM
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Listening to her straight female friends complain about dating, she actually thought that women would desire a sensitive empathetic man who knew how to listen. Basically a woman with a penis. What she discovered was so far removed from that previously held belief lol Literally the Nice Guy Syndrome lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/18 09:54 PM
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Spot on. The hard truth is that no one is going to accommodate the introverted guys. At the end of it, they are just going to have to nut up and just do it in the face of all the risks or likely never be successful. It's a very gendered, very Darwinian shit test. Above all the strategy, pontification, frame, game and whatever else, if a man can't willingly run into the line of fire, he doesn't deserve to get laid, as far as anyone is concerned. The manosphere is one of the few places that will e…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/18 09:41 PM
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I had a girl bully in kindergarten. Bit the hell out of her to make her stop. Realized a decade later that she probably had a huge crush on me before I bit her.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 04:51 AM
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Couldn't choose not to be sent to some foreign land to kill or be killed though.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 11:21 PM
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Call them what you like. Doesn't mean guys are jacking it to some kind of genderbend self insert fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 06:44 PM
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Option four. We are watching the girl because she's hot. Simplest answer. Why do you think porn actresses are higher paid than male actors and sometimes well enough known to be minor celebrities in mainstream culture?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 03:07 PM
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Is...Is the Red Pill Woman flair sarcastic? Holy fuck this is some real internalized misogyny
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/18 07:15 PM
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Yeah? The specific type of shared goals and interests are reflected in career choice here. If your shared goals amounted to just scraping by you wouldn't care about wealth or status. If your shared goals are to live a decent UMC lifestyle you will care. It's a means to an end. Except people choose careers for all kinds of reasons. Sure, it's a purely financial decision sometimes, but some people get pushed into it by family. Some realize they have talent and passion for the work. Some just could…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 03:38 PM
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It ties in closely. Status and wealth themselves are merely signifiers of other traits. This is true in men too. No...it really doesn't. You specifically mentioned shared interests, shared goals and ambition. Ambition is literally the only thing there that can be linked to wealth and status in this particular case. Similar goals and interests are just basic compatibility, regardless of wealth. Assortative mating is very well studied. People tend to pair off with those similar to themselves. You …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 11:46 AM
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Sure, but the fact they have the same career means shared interests and pursuing a career like medicine is also gonna correlate with similar personality traits like ambition and shared life goals, so all this adds up and makes them a lot more suited to each other than a doctor and a waitress. None of that is status or wealth though, which you were claiming men care about. The doctor fucks the waitress doesn't marry her. You've never provided evidence that doctors are categorically refusing to ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 10:50 AM
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Which is simply incompatible with reality and makes me think any man who genuinely holds this belief has no exposure to social circles containing people with money This is more of a function of social circles than raw income though. Doctors marry each other because they meet in medical school and during thier careers. On the other hand, male doctors would be willing to start a relationship with a nurse or a physician's assistant provided that she's physically attractive. I'm not sure that a fema…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 10:15 AM
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To be fair, OP staked her claim on "high paying" and now you've shifted the goal post to "reasonable." That's not the same question. Even so, the number of zeros on your paycheck is an inaccurate metric to go by--consider SAHP, for example. From OP: Why on earth would men make it a life goal to make money only to throw it away by choosing women less successful than them, it's not like a successful woman necessarily sacrifices her SMV. There's no reason a young woman in line for a high income car…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 09:50 AM
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Yeah, but that doesn't mean they have to be in a lucrative career, as OP is suggesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 09:24 AM
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You spent time, effort and money to get what you want in your career and earn the sort of income youd like to earn Then you basically throw almost half of that income away because you chose a spouse that makes almost nothing compared to you Unless you're cynical enough to take your wedding vows with the expectation of divorce? In that case you would just write a prenup. I don't see much benefit of specifically going for successful women such that it would become a priority. I mean, basic adultin…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 01:57 AM
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Interesting that you bring up your father. Was your childhood/family otherwise balanced by gender or was there a heavy representation for one gender or another? It may give clues as to how people fall on the gender debates. For my part, I am a man who grew up totally surrounded by women. I was raised by a single mother when I was small and later by a widowed grandmother. Almost all of the active parents and authority figures in my family were women, and in fact, most of the children are/were gir…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 03:35 PM
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Point is, it didn't end in the 50s and was still very much a thing up until the past decade at the absolute earliest.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 06:32 AM
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Neither clearly is the struggles of men who are disillusioned into thinking they can be judged solely on their passions. I don't think either is any better honestly. I think we all struggle. I'm paraphrasing, but a wise person once said, "Society sees women as inferior and men as disposable. We spend our lives fighting against those two things." I've often seen male issues with dating and sex to be the gender flipped version of the struggles that women have with beauty standards and body issues.…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 05:59 AM
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Nowadays as in Gen Z maybe. Millennials basically invented (or at least popularized on the internet) the friend zone, the Nice Guy syndrome and Nice Guys™. Limiting it to the 1950's is absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 05:34 AM
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Woman don't get that. We're flat out told to be attractive or be worthless. Which is, unfortunately, correct in the dating market. Is it better to be comforted with honeyed lies and then proceed to fail miserably because of the incorrect information, or to be told the harsh truths which give you the knowledge to actually succeed?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 05:05 AM
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How would you get the idea that you need to be attractive when it was instead heavily emphasized that you need to be useful? Classic Nice Guy story: He was told that looks don't so much matter and women really just want a nice guy like him.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 04:52 AM
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Whereas women tend to actively avoid relationships with weak men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/18 11:43 PM
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Men get respect and plesentness from men and woman by virtue of being a man. Not true at all. Men are mostly ignored at best and actively sneered at in the worst until we prove we're useful.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/18 11:40 PM
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Most women never get this idea you don't need to try and be attractive. Past sixth grade were made very intently aware of how attraction and effort regarding it are important to how we're viewed by our peers. I feel like it's only mostly sheltered men who don't really interact with their peers that are disillusioned that effort towards your attractiveness as a mate isn't necessary and that someone will come along who likes them as they are. So in other words, women are generally nurtured with id…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/18 09:22 PM
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It seems like the men feel judged as failures for being single and women are over it and don’t care. Someone brought up suicide. Is this why? Because men in middle age feel like failures if they don’t have the wife, kids and picket fence? Is it because men lack the same emotional and social support network? Or is it because as I’m sure someone will step into tell me, they’ve been screwed over by women? This is all spot on.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/18 05:02 AM
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IME it is a human thing, but it does get gendered in that women seem to be especially repulsed by sycophantic men. Men may not much like people who are doormats, but women seem to be especially disgusted with men who are doormats, in particular.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/18 04:56 AM
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Instead of improving his handwriting and relying on his good romantic work, they tell him to instead write an action novel because they hear people respond to that more... First of all, I think the idea that RP doesn't advise people to "improve his handwriting" is quite an uncharitable interpretation from someone who seems to be arguing that JBY is adequate enough advice. RP's major advises seem to always include lifting, dressing well and working on social skills, which would very clearly quali…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/18 12:14 AM
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Ah...New England represent. Here's hoping we don't get the April Fool's storm this year
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/18 02:26 PM
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Yikes 17 hours! I'm guessing you're in the Midwest. I'm in New England. It's already switched over to rain so I'm in a better mood now since a lot of it got washed away and there's not as much shoveling. But goddamn...it's going to a long fucking 6 months.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/18 02:09 PM
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Yeah I think it caught everyone a bit by surprise. I read your comment when I had just woken up for work (I'm a third shifter.) That, combined with the realization that my my car was covered in 6 inches, led to my pleasant reply. Lol. I need to get rich so I can move someplace with eternal Summer. Winter makes me (more of) a cantankerous bastard.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/18 01:58 PM
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Fuck snow
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/18 04:49 AM
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Well fucking said. This is the answer, OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/18 03:40 PM
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Firstly, why would you want to date someone who is repelled by your “true self”? The point of a relationship is to find someone you are compatible with. Yes, but real compatibility is something you are going to discover about each other as you're building a relationship. That's probably not something you're going to be able to determine on a very deep level with someone you literally just met, or are on a first date with, or have Tinder matched with. Much more important at that stage is just to …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/18 08:29 AM
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Problem is in dating, you can only keep up an act for so long. Your true self eventually starts to shine through, which could be disastrous long term. But short term, putting on the act is what gets results. How do you expect to give anyone the chance to accept your "true self" if they are immediately repelled by your first impression? That's the problem with BP advice. It's always biased towards people who already know how to deal with relationships but are looking to hit the metaphorical bulls…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 04:26 PM
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They are saying "don't change your core values" (with exception of those which are considered generally attractive to women like good grooming, confident, etc.). So again. It really isn't be yourself. It's be what's considered generally attractive to women like good grooming, confident, etc. No one just becomes a billionaire and president with nothing but dumb luck. Only a seriously pathetic loser would think so. As far as money goes. Inheritance is a thing. The lottery is a thing. As far as sta…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 05:57 AM
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I'm pretty sure that's only said with the assumption that you're not some pushover loser. So it's not "be yourself," then. It's, at least, don't be this specific thing. The platitude is more than a little misleading. Money and status are like a "product" of personality and intelligence, the latter of which isn't even there. Donald Trump is rich and high status af, but most people don't consider his wealth to be any product of intelligence and/or personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 05:39 AM
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Step 1. Be unattractive. Also shy and/or insecure. Step 2. Listen to the types of things women around you are saying about men and dating. Take to heart the notion that accommodating, considerate, and gentlemanly behavior is a priority to women. Truly absorb that decency and upstanding character take precedence over raw good looks and charisma when women choose which men they want to be with. Step 3. Immediately, watch women repeatedly shit all over Step 2 in practice. Step 4. Confused, question…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 02:57 PM
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The same kind of insecurity, emotional issues and perceived failure that leads men to the manosphere.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 12:37 PM
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So do tell me nice guystm of PPD. Why aren't you trying to make friends with one of those guys so you can figure out how he's managing to get your girl friend as his girlfriend? Why are you all so busy hating on the guy instead? Because they prioritize being decent bloke and not making girls cry over acting like an asshole just to get laid. She asked me, "well if those guys nice guystm hate are having all this success why do nice guystm think they should do the opposite of them? Why aren't they …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/18 05:45 PM
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Most TRP dudes are not looking for love, they want to bang sluts and then the ones that want kids want to find a chick to give them babies then after a few years when they are bored with their agreeable spouse who produced babies for them they want to go back and bang sluts. I don't think this is exactly accurate. I think that most guys wanted to find true, real love at some point (probably still do) but found that behaving like a man whore is far more effective than going around like a hopeless…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/18 05:37 PM
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First of all, that oft touted 17:1 ratio describes a time when men the most powerful men controlled who married. FTFY. That's a big difference. Second of all, if I can get laid so can literally almost every other guy. Please elaborate on how you literally have worse circumstances than almost every other man in existence and how you overcame that without just stupid luck being the major factor. ​
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/18 02:13 PM
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Good thing I never accused you of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 10:14 PM
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stop asking women, ask successful men /thread
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 10:13 PM
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You find some interesting and flattering about that person and you ask them open ended questions and then take your cues from there based on how they react and what they say. You look at their body language listen to their tone and also note what they leave out or add. It is not hard. It's not "hard" but that shit ain't exactly simple either. Everything you wrote is easy to misinterpret, easy to manipulate, imprecise as all Hell, and varies wildly from individual to individual. People are natura…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 09:53 PM
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I know. I was where you are. I learned. You can do this, you just have to realize that this is brutal competition.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 09:16 PM
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If you suck at it, tough shit, you pretty much are just going to have to get better. Especially for men, dating is survival of the fittest. Sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 09:10 PM
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If both of these methods are wrong then how are you supposed to go about showing interest? Be attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 08:52 PM
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Calling someone an incel now, is basically saying they can't get girls, not taking any variables into consideration, not wanting girls for example. How does "not wanting girls" fit into the definition of "involuntary?"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 08:35 PM
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On top of what has already been said, always referring to entitlement to sex instead of entitlement to love is a emotionally manipulative way of winning an argument by invoking the old, sexist stereotype that men are uncontrollable sex addicts. Because someone feeling romantically isolated and unloved is a perfectly understandable, common condition and may cause people to offer comfort, aid, understanding and (gasp) a sympathetic ear to those designated enemies to feminism. And we can't have tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 05:19 PM
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Serious answer: squaring up and admitting it when you're wrong. Pretty much anytime you have enough integrity to do the right thing when it's hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 01:14 PM
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Same
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 01:08 PM
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Proving herself a worthy opponent in battle
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 12:59 PM
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Assuming all nice guys throw tantrums
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/18 12:43 PM
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But it took somebody having the compassion and understanding to break us out of the bullshit that was commonly being put forth as "truth" for us to make that leap. And at the same time, we have had women on this very forum come right out and say that they did not like this knowledge being generally disseminated. This is why it's so important for men to be able to have our own spaces to mentor, support and empower each other that are outside of the purview of feminism. As far as a lot of women ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/18 04:41 AM
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might i point out that you can find plenty of women who will let you buy them coffee drinks or dinner So a date? You're claiming that men have more opportunities to go on dates than women? I'm not sure I believe that, given the understanding that the average man is going to have less people interested in him than your average woman. But sure, I guess. If a man is getting more opportunities to date than women do for no other reason than his gender than, sure, you can call that a privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/18 12:58 AM
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Well that depends on exactly what you're doing doesn't it? "Being really nice," can mean a lot of things -- from just being pleasant and agreeable, to being on call till the wee hours of the morning to listen to someone's problems. To "sharing" your hard earned cash or property, or traveling great distances all for the other person's benefit.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/18 08:41 PM
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Yea. "Shitty" is an imprecise way to describe it. I meant it more in the sense of "actively malicious." As far as doing weird undesirable things, again, these men are under the impression that this is what women want, and if they question it they usually get slapped back down due to, among other things, miscommunication. At the end of the day though, they are still working thier asses off trying to get some, so my original point stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/18 08:10 PM
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This is Reddit. We are all awkward neckbeards. Even the girls. Skews the perspective. This is a pill subreddit, and primarily attracts men who really REALLY don't naturally "just get it" even among other neckbeards. Really skews the perspective. Part of attraction is making it look easy. So even if successful guys totally went through Hell to get where they are now, they are going to be less likely to discuss it. Further, anything manosphere related is seen as at least mildly misogynistic (evil)…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/18 07:36 PM
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"Behaves like shit" is debatable, since the entire reason they are called "nice guys" is that their entire dating strategy consists of being single-mindedly accommodating, "gentlemanly" at the total beck and call of the women they like. They are busting ass to ingratiate themselves to a girl because they've absorbed the idea that women want men to give them everything they ask for. It's not attractive, but it sure as fuck ain't lazy or shitty behavior, either.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/18 07:04 PM
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Oh yes, it is definitely very unhealthy. The totally warped way that a lot of women feel about their bodies is legitimately heartbreaking to watch. The big difference that I see is that society generally acknowledges that this is a problem and actively tries to counteract it. Beyond this the messages, though damaging, are effective. I suspect that it's easier to come to a healthier state of mind while in a state of abundance rather than in a state of scarcity. It's like the old saying goes, "Mon…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/18 05:03 PM
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It's possible we're talking about different "Nice Guys". The NiceTimes(TM) stereotype is of a man that tries to approach women, but then completely drops the "nice" act as soon as she says "no". Normal people that are just "nice" in a way that manifests as passive in certain circumstances (such as asking girls out, so that it comes out watery or underconfident as a result of being overly considerate) are different from Nice Guys (the Stereotype). -- At least, it's easier to make that distinction…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/18 04:29 PM
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Agreed. The problem is that there is a very prevalent social narrative that allows him to hamster himself into that failed strategy. If instead the social narrative erred on the side of the more effective strategy you wouldn't likely have all the wailing and gnashing of teeth about being lied to that leads men straight into the manosphere. This is what women get. A narrative that clearly places almost all a woman's value in her looks, which is mostly correct. A heavy handed narrative that, while…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/18 03:19 PM
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If you're doing the work you prefer to do rather than the work you should be doing, you can't realistically complain when you get fired, even if you were sweating bullets pushing that lawn mower around the hospital. What I'm saying is that nice guy types don't seem to realize what they should be doing. Like there is a difference between not going to the gym because you're a lazy fuck like me and not going to the gym because you unironically believe that "it's what's inside that counts" or that l…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/18 02:29 PM
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I'm hopeful. Incels are literal terrorists now and being called "a nice guy" by a girl is synonymous with being called a creep, so I would think it would be more difficult to make the same mistakes those guys did.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/18 02:08 PM
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It’s just a mix of entitlement and lack of agency. The desire to have something that you don’t want to have to work to have or keep. I don't think that it can be reliably boiled down to an unwillingness to put in work. The classic Nice Guy is busting his ass trying to work the world's worst dating strategy. There's almost always a big dose of just world fallacy and poor understanding of the SMP, which OP touched on.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/18 02:01 PM
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If men are trying to dictate how you should feel about your options, I agree. However, men pointing out that having options, (whether you like them all or not) is privileged is not the same as judging anyone's feelings on the matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/18 08:21 PM
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I read a survey somewhere about what "bad sex" means to women, and they pretty universally said sex is bad when it causes physical pain. I'm aware of this, which is why I specifically wrote "mediocre on average." It isn't like sex is always bad for women. Surely, some of it is mind blowing. Some of it is meh. Some of it is outright painful. Just because women are dealing with a risk of bad sex doesn't mean that no sex is preferable instead. Probably why women keep having sex anyway, surveys be d…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/18 01:07 PM
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In both scenarios, the person isn’t wanted for the thing they want to be wanted for. Are you claiming that if a woman only wears makeup and creates an online profile that literally every man she attracts is going to be interested in sex only? If not, can it be said that she has put some effort into finding men who would want her for more than sex? If that's reasonable, do you think that the effort (makeup and an internet connection) that she has put into attracting men (some of whom want more th…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/18 10:08 AM
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Harder for you than for us, but not nearly hard enough to justify all the hand wringing. Unless you've ever been a single man, I don't think you're really in a position to make a valid argument on what level of handwringing is justifiable in this case. Apologies if that comes off harshly, it just sounds a lot like "let them eat cake." Wrt cost benefit ratio, though, i suspect you guys might actually be better off. You do have to put more time and money into it, but the sex is much more likely to…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/18 06:49 AM
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Of course. Doesn't mean the cost/benefit ratio is anywhere near comparable between genders, as was implied.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/18 05:25 AM
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Of course. Doesn't mean the cost/benefit ratio is anywhere near comparable between genders, as was implied.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/18 05:25 AM
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Ah. So when u/rainisthelife compared women's difficulty to getting a date to a man's difficulty getting a date, it was actually a comparison between a woman getting a date and a man paying a prostitute. Apples to apples indeed. edit: Wooosh
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/18 04:46 AM
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You can barely afford a decent pair of sneakers with $80. What exactly can you flaunt with less that a c-note? You can make that in a couple of shifts at McDonald's. You're telling me that women are regularly impressed enough by a guy rolling around with less than $100 in his pocket. Correct if wrong, but I don't think that there is a lot of evidence that women are impressed by the earning potential of minimum wage workers. Are you sure that when you said "the US" you didn't actually mean to say…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/18 04:18 AM
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It's a "damned if do, damned if you don't" situation for feminists, because if they would have not started addressing it they would have gotten accused of not caring about issues that affect men. I think generalizing may help the optics at least somewhat. I think that one of the visceral complaints about feminists talking about men's issues is that, often it's used (or assumed to be used) to prop up the kind of pop feminist theory of patriarchy that just always circles around to blame men for ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/18 07:19 PM
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"Passive" is the opposite of "toxic?" I thought you were defining toxic as harmful to self/and or others. In the case of possibly harmful feminine norms I'd agree that the usual suspects would be things like passivity, deference, hypoagency/learned helplessness/perpetual victimhood, infantilism, domesticity, anti-intellectualism, perfectionism, people-pleasing and unhealthy body and beauty standards to name a few. It's also important to note that in western, first-world nations, these norms have…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/18 07:00 PM
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I agree with bucking harmful gender norms, although I think that these are better described in a gender neutral way because there's a version of that for all genders. I don't take any personal offense to the term TBH. I just think that it's kind of a dumb thing to be fighting over when alternative terms could easily be used. And that those who are offended by it do have a point in that "toxic" is mysteriously absent from anything feminine which comes off as one-sided.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/18 06:28 PM
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How can you get more clear than "toxic masculinity"? Masculinity refers to societal standards that men are expected to fulfill and the adjective toxic is used to refer to harmful standards. Well, what would be the female gender version of that phenomenon?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/18 06:20 PM
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Because words matter. Minorities, women and other marginalized groups regularly police language that comes off as offensive to them? How is it fair to discriminate against men alone in this regard? Why do feminists feel the need to cling to inflammatory terms when in mixed discussions when nuetral words communicate ideas just as well or even more clearly?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/18 02:59 PM
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I mean they are already heading to thier doom. They are already ruining the proverbial cake by dumping salt in. The problem is that these guys don't understand nuance either way, but the unfortunate reality is that one "side" of that misunderstanding is simply more effective than the other one. For your own protection, it's usually better to err on the side of careful until proven otherwise, even if you hate to give Hobbes credit. While understanding nuance is important to finding an ideal situa…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/18 02:33 PM
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Whenever we say stuff like "shaming men for expressing feelings is toxic masculinity sexist and misandric." Fixing the semantic debate over this term is pretty simple. Because no one goes around talking about how female gender policing is "toxic femininity."
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/18 01:14 PM
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Which is easier, for most women to learn how/find someone to do thier makeup, or for most men to earn enough money to be able to flaunt it to impress women?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/18 01:02 PM
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Is "nuance" always totally necessary, though? Especially in the case of men attracted to the RP, you have men that often struggle to form relationships with women at all. Hounding someone like that about nuances is like watching someone confuse sugar for salt when trying to bake a cake and then lecturing them about how your brand of all natural cane sugar is so much better than than whatever peasant sugar they were planning to use.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/18 12:15 PM
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Also, consider top 20% men will at least fuck and/or casually date a lot of the women that are competing over them (I understand women don't value sex much) whereas the 80% of men get little to nothing, relationships, sex or otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/18 04:19 PM
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Women are also generally more likely to be religious. I'd imagine it has something to do with logic vs. emotion, individuality vs. community, and agency vs. powerlessness. Men trend towards the former, while women and faith trend towards the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/18 03:01 PM
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That people ignore consequences doesn't mean that the consequences are imaginary. But really... Well, "not allowed to" is often used as a short form of "not allowed to without disapproval." And in most cases it's not a literal appeal to escape dissaproval as much as it's pointing out the existence of a double standard
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/18 01:56 PM
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...Because racist antifeminist and right wing people congregate online like everyone else? I'm not sure what you're getting at.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/18 01:41 PM
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Sure whatever. My point was that pointing out that a double standard exists doesn't mean that I actually want to engage in whatever behavior with impunity.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/18 01:34 PM
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Sure whatever. My point was that pointing out that a double standard exists doesn't mean that I actually want to engage in whatever behavior with impunity.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/18 01:34 PM
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Shitting on people for doing things that you also wish you could do is textbook hypocrisy. I don't know why you think they necessarily want to do those things. For example, if I point out the fact that women can go on Twitter and call men garbage and be met with approval and that men generally cannot do the same, it doesn't mean that I wish I could go on Twitter and shit on women. I'm just pointing out that there's a double standard here.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/18 11:34 AM
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I'm not asking why people are allowed/not allowed to do anything in particular, myself. I'm just clairifying how the phrase is used.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/18 11:25 AM
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That's a pretty cynical view of wanting to get rid of double standards but okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/18 11:23 AM
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No they just want to be held to the same standards as women
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/18 11:22 AM
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Well, "not allowed to" is often used as a short form of "not allowed to without disapproval." And in most cases it's not a literal appeal to escape dissaporoval as much as it's pointing out the existence of a double standard i.e "Why are men 'allowed to' sleep around but not women?"
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/18 11:18 AM
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But the discussion isn't about ugly guys. It's specifically about nice guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/18 10:48 PM
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Whether people are nice or not is orthogonal to how attractive they are. I'm not sure why you brought this up.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/18 10:37 PM
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I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/18 10:34 PM
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Nice guys desire you plenty. Like willing to sacrifice the rest of his social life for you desire. The real problem is you don't desire him. Yeah, nice guys are thirsty. But 11 times out of 10 he doesn't just see you as a wet hole. That's Chad. That's the guy who has options. That's your ex-boyfriend who cheated on you a half dozen times. That's the guy who sweet talked you into bed and then ghosted you. That's the exact type of guy that you're going to be complaining about to the nice guy. No, …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/18 08:11 PM
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Yep. It's been a thing forever that women are allowed/expected to stay under her parents' wings until she's married, while men are expected to leave home ASAP. Also women that do "move out" often do so with Mommy and Daddy still paying the rent and bills. Men are still considered failed to launch unless they are paying their own way
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/18 03:43 AM
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Right. It's one of the two basic reasons why Red Pill is so loathed by women. With the other being that the truth of what women actually respond to is much less flattering than the myth that women are less shallow and regressive than men are. Taking the Red Pill is truly understanding the adversarial component of mating. It's not in a woman's best interest to make any of this easy for undesirable men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/18 03:46 AM
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I agree with this. It extends to beta behavior in general. Any unmasculine, beta behavior that women say they want almost always is only going to be desirable from an otherwise masculine, attractive man. It's the fact that women feel like they should never have to explain this out loud that is the source of all the confusion and misery that men go through trying to figure out what women want.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/18 05:03 PM
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It think that it's largely a case of acknowledging the difficulties that men face and, as unsettling as it may sound, making accommodations. The gender dialogue is dominated by feminism and feminism is predicated on the idea that men have all the power (and so never need to be accommodated.) I find it telling that the manosphere is concentrated around sexual/romantic success with women, because mating is the most visible area where power is reversed and men are the marginalized group. This can b…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/18 08:01 AM
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It's not stoic as in a boring hardass. It's that a man should be unshakeable. There's not many things more unattractive than to watch a man completely lose his shit. This would include being fun, because while a woman would be internally/externally freaking out, the man should ideally be in such control of every situation situation that he can laugh and crack stupid jokes. It's totally unrealistic, but lizard brains do be like that sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/18 04:45 AM
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What is it that they can only get from a LTRs with women? What are the long-term effects of living without what they're missing? Are there alternative methods for reconciling those symptoms? I think that part of the problem is that nobody starts asking those questions until incels start to spout extreme views. There's a point way before a lonely, unsuccessful man in distress is driven to raging hatred where acknowledging that incels are pointing out a grain of truth and asking questions relevant…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/18 04:34 AM
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Try getting a 5'5" manlet to "make the team" for American Football or Basketball from "effort"TM. Muggsy Bogues is 5'3".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/18 04:14 AM
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The thing is that while genetics matter, it's not as big of a modifier as the black pill suggests. Thinking about games helps me to visualize these things. I don't know if you're a card player, but dating is a lot like a game of poker. Holding a face card (Ace, King, Queen, Jack) is an advantage, sure. But it's more like a bonus in that you'll probably beat any comparable hand. But at the same time you can still get stomped by a stronger hand made of lesser cards. Full house twos over threes bea…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/18 04:06 AM
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It's like 2 kids try out for a team and don't make it, one quits forever and the other practices and grinds until he eventually makes it. No now that is not the same thing. Like you said before, blue pillers have the resources to cope with failure and try again. So this is more like 2 kids try out for a team and don't make it, one has a loving supporting family and the other has abusive parents who tell him that he's a worthless piece of crap every morning. Or, if you don't want to externalize i…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 11:44 PM
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None of those scenarios are set in stone at all. I don't understand how you can confidently predict anything Jennifer Lawrence would do one way or another. People hook up for all those reasons (or none of them) and more all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 09:13 PM
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I don't think we are in disagreement. This would be exactly like a wealthy person not understanding why poor people make the decisions that they do since they have the resources to never be in that same situation. Like that time Mitt Romney was baffled that everyone couldn't just ask thier parents for a big loan to start up a small business.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 08:56 PM
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I don't disagree. I am just describing it from a the perspective of non-blue people. They realize that most people are blue and that is considered normal (hence "normies.") It's the perspectives that are the basis of the arguments between red/black and blue in that non-blues struggle to realize that it's inaccurate to try and describe everything from a entirely microcosm level. At the same time, blues are subject to an invisible knapsack of privilege of sorts in that they mentally twist away fro…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 08:51 PM
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I think it's more that blue pillers are usually romantically fortunate enough that they just don't truly recognize how unfair it can actually be. Blue pillers tend to be the people for whom no major effort is necessary for success and/or whatever effort is put in congruent with a reasonable return (or at least, they have faith that this is so.) It's a very "let them eat cake," mentality similar to how a lot of well off people see poor folks, or naturally skinny people see fat people. Reds and bl…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 03:21 PM
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r/uwotm8
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/18 07:44 PM
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This is a reasonable theory. Thanks for being empathetic. It's just that having experiences with shitty men or women does equal being unsuccessful with dating. The latter is all to often used as a way to shut down critical discussion as "You don't really have a point, you're just bitter that you can't get laid."
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/18 01:57 PM
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I just love how OP conveniently leaves out the fact that a lot of the issues - “higher mortality rates, higher suicide rates, higher rates of mental illness...” that men face, are honestly due to the choices that they themselves make. I just love how easy it is for some people to victim blame when the victim has a penis.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/18 11:51 AM
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To all the feminists in the thread currently bristling with righteous indignation: this is exactly what y'all sound like. How you feel right now is how men feel when you lecture us about privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/18 04:18 AM
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I understand that this is probably how you feel, likely based on an unsuccessful dating history. I love how quickly these discussions always devolve into virgin shaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/18 03:59 AM
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The thing is that the white supremacists, the conservative knuckle-draggers--those aren't the people you are trying to convince. Those people already have their minds made up. You need to convince those people in the middle. The people who are susceptible to be swayed by the good old boy rhetoric of the right. The people who, while they aren't racist fucks, probably don't know a lot of POC, or never met someone who isn't cisgendered. The folks in the flyover states that seem to be working harder…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 08:34 PM
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So Right wingers can engage in identity politics and Democrats have to just stand there and let them? No. Democrats should probably practice more inclusiveness and emphasize how people are more similar than trying to capitalize on petty differences. They had the perfect way of doing this with the Occupy movement, but instead tried to cater to everyone's special snowflake status at the same time. The reason why the right is so effective with thier identify politics is because it's focused on a si…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 11:42 AM
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Keyword is desperation. Men who are immediately interested in a relationship come off as desperate and that turns women right off, who are otherwise looking for a LTR. It's like the woman who starts talking about marriage on the second date.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 07:29 AM
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Having high emotional intelligence is only necessary because people that are swayed by feelz exist and inflict themselves on other people for guessing wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 05:02 AM
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Human relationships do matter. But people are not mind readers. Which is why it's important to clearly communicate and not expect other people to just intuit your state of mind or face very real consequences. This is the problem. Men are more often in situations where reading a person the wrong way could really screw them over, so having clear definitions are a matter of person wellbeing. What's more dangerous than the person who thinks themselves bias free is the person who is entirely inconsis…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 05:00 AM
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Sure. But having high emotional intelligence is not necessarily as valuable as being rational and objective, either. Feelings are not the basis of the legal code for a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 11:59 PM
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This is why Democrats need to drop the identity politics. Republicans are way fucking better at that game.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 08:55 PM
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Men do not like insecure women. They just wish their oneitis was liked them enough to be clingy. Insecure =/= clingy. Clingy women are insecure. Insecure women are not always clingly. When you look at the women men obsess over, stalk, chase, and take emotional risks for, it's never the woman that loves them and wants to be around them. It's the woman that is emotionally distance and is meh about them at best. No. It's the attractive women. Men like attractive women. Emotional distance has nothin…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/18 04:44 AM
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I empathize hugely with men who feel this way in relationships, but rather than generalizing all women as vulnerability-insecurity haters, I think it's much more useful to consider how we engage in specific relationships. I don't understand why it's necessary to trade one for the other though. You have every single person in this thread, women included, confirming that women do find insecurity unattractive. What would be the harm in accepting that as a primary rule of thumb in practice but also …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/18 04:20 AM
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But you have to understand that ‘possible’ doesn’t equate to “easy” in any meaning of the term. Gender perspectives in a nutshell. Women are upset that men seem to have more opportunities to excel without realizing that it comes with a equal or greater chance of failure and the ever present Darwinism that makes up men's lives. Women want to remove the cieling but don't appreciate the privilege of having a floor.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/18 11:00 AM
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This is exactly like women saying they want a "nice" guy or a "sensitive" guy. You are not communicating nuance very well. The issue is that women are talking about an otherwise alpha male who has some small shades of beta. Men are taking the suggestions literally. Women are describing the shades of grey. Men are trying to define black or white. Women are describing the fine details that would make a "A" grade man an "A+" grade. Men are just trying to figure out where the pass/fail score lies. S…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 04:07 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 03:08 AM
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Oh yeah, I totally agree. I've had a long conversation with him about his lack of social skills. He seems to struggle to make any friends at all but seems to think he should be able to get a girlfriend? Okay. I just think that this is something that's missing from both red and blue discourse regarding incels, at least up front. Everyone still kind of frames it as if there's a series of gates you have to pass to qualify. I think we should just be more explicit with men upfront with the idea that …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 09:38 PM
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So I know incel content just got banned but I think this is a case of needing to take a tiny bit of the black pill i.e. It doesn't work out for everyone. I'm not saying that these guys should just cope or LDAR; quite the opposite. Understand that the amount of "space" so to speak for men in the SMP/RMP is quite limited and understanding that you might have to work your ass off and/or get creative or very lucky to earn your "spot." It's an issue of entitlement (although I hate the notion that uns…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 09:19 PM
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Neat
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 11:34 AM
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+/u/User_Simulator sketch162000
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 11:32 AM
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Boys loved her because she was a bad girl with big boobs. Ftfy. Bad had nothing to do with it
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 12:08 PM
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Nice guys who can't get laid would benefit from becoming a lot more assertive with their coworkers, boss, friends, family, and rude strangers on the subway. Women notice when you're passive with someone who is behaving disrespectfully toward you, and it takes a major toll on your smv. As a naturally passive guy, there is nothing more that I hate than this. Because if I were a woman, whether I were assertive or passive wouldn't matter for squat vs just raw physical attractiveness. Women whine abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/18 08:21 AM
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Yeah, I'm thinking our days are numbered. There's a real resistance to taking any kind of antagonistic stance towards feminism/women when discussing men's issues, and this is one of the few places that allows that. Problem is, you usually have to flip off the dominant narrative which inevitably is going to piss people off if you want any change. The idea of "feminist approved" men's issues is kind of dubious on the face of it, because they are naturally going to resist any change that hurts thie…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/18 04:03 AM
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MGTOW's probably on the chopping block tbh. Those dudes seem way more bitter than TRP at first glance. Tinfoil hat me says that this is the beginning of a manosphere purge. All the RP/incel affiliated subs (including PPD) as well as r/mensrights are probably on watch. I get the sinking feeling that there is being defined an "approved" way to talk about men's issues, namely one that makes sure to never be threatening, critical, pissed of at, or blaming women and/or feminism in any way. Which is c…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/18 03:45 AM
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I +1 this as a guy. I was just thinking about this the other day. I remember how all the boys' jaws hit the floor on the first day of school because girls were coming back from summer vacation with tits and stuff. That was 6th grade. We were all like 11-12 and those girls looked like grown ass women to us lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/18 10:30 PM
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Where RP comes in is that these women, many of whom are single for a reason in a market that appeals to them first, are indeed messed up and most men attract these messed up women because they're weak. This is an excellent point. By the time unsuccessful men wise up and start to put the red pill into practice, they're already hopelessly behind. It's not that RP men are only choosing to associate with low quality women; It's that low quality women are the only ones left.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/18 10:34 AM
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"just touch my butt and buy me pizza 😭😭" Lol. I always did like Gen Z. Y'all got good priorities.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/18 03:20 PM
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and like i said, NO ONE i knows uses "nice guy" as a positive or have since i have been dating. You're right about that, actually. 15 years ago when I was still asking girls what they wanted, they would say "a nice guy," but now it's practically a slur. I don't know how girls your age would phrase it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/18 03:04 PM
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Anecdotally, I've seen the attraction to literal felons both in and out of the hood. Nice white girls from the suburbs can be especially rabid for it. Depends on the girl. Some girls are more attracted your type of bad boy, some are into more extreme types. The common thread though, is that those guys are anything but "nice." And yet if you ask most women what they want in a guy, the first thing out of thier mouths will probably be "I just want a nice guy."
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/18 02:43 PM
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Meh perhaps it was different when you were growing up. Also you're female so different perspective. From a sexually frustrated teenager growing up around the turn of the millennium to now, it was like watching the hamster gradually run out if energy, from my experience. When talk about nice guys, the friend zone and such hit the highschool hallways and the internet, the immediate response from women was "We don't like bad boys, you just think he's bad because you're jealous we won't date you." T…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/18 02:03 PM
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Exactly. Women only seek out "hurt" if it's coming from a strong and hot man. If he shows any sign of being weak or undesirable she completely loses all respect, sympathy, and most positive emotions towards him, and he might as well go jump in a volcano as far as she's concerned.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/18 12:42 PM
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As a side note, it's funny to see how accepted it is nowadays to talk about how women like bad boys. To the point where a lot of modern women have no problem admitting it. Remember how everyone used to swear up and down how women absolutely positively never got the hots for bad boys? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/18 12:25 PM
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The thing is: forever alone guys who have been ground into reclusion by all those "don't harass women" messages don't hurt anyone. To be fair, the only reason most people even know that incels exist is because a few of them went on killing sprees. I get what you're saying though. Most of them aren't dangerous but kicking the weak is easy, so even so-called progressives tend to bully them with glee.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/18 10:19 AM
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So I am supposed to understand "It will happen when you stop looking," "Just be yourself" and "Don't change" as the exact opposite of those statements. Okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/18 04:10 AM
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NANI?!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/18 12:07 AM
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relevant username
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/18 11:51 PM
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I'll state it plainly. I do not believe that it's more important to get laid than to not abuse your partner and as far as I know, I never stated this was not the case. So when you asserted earlier that I did, in fact, believe this, you were incorrect. I do not appreciate being accused of holding positions that I do not hold for with no evidence and for no reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/18 09:44 PM
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Abusers typically don’t understand the difference between intimacy/love and sex. They view their partners as objects, have calloused ideas about sexuality, don’t understand what intimacy is outside of sex, etc. All this means is that they don't give a shit about love/intimacy. Does not mean that they still don't receive it. As for your second part: you believe that getting laid is more important than not abusing your partner. Don't know how you came to that conclusion. I stated a simple fact. If…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/18 12:49 PM
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No. Read this again. I was also told that caring about looks is something that men did when they judged women, while women would care way less about how men look like. That women typically care about fashion, makeup and body weight issues is totally irrelevant to whether or not women care about physical looks in men, as a requirement for attraction. The only information that it gives you is that women care about looking pretty, not that they necessarily want to be with someone pretty.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/18 12:36 PM
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While some guys seem naturally predisposed toward being more passive, less selfish, less risk-taking, etc. Yeah this is exactly it. The problem is that mainstream advice is shotgunned out indiscriminately to everyone but almost always tailored to the soften up people that are too aggressive, because while aggressive is good for the self, it's often bad for society. And to be fair most people actually are more on the side of aggressive and selfish. But some people are naturally docile and it's un…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/18 10:03 AM
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They definitely can still get both intimacy and love. If not from the woman that they are currently with than from future women who will actively ignore that he has a history of abuse as long as he has what they want. And even if they "only" get sex that's still a Hell of a lot more than a lot of guys who wouldn't dare harm a woman are getting. That shit's really fucked up.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/18 08:03 AM
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To be pedantic, all of those statements are really common and three out of the four include the word "will" which does indicate certainty, in fact. Wait, are we not explicitly telling children that not everyone can be a millionaire or astronaut or whatever? Totally thought that was a thing we actually did. Anecdotally, I could have sworn that I heard that regularly growing up and still hear kids getting told that today. On the other hand, I don't think I've ever heard anyone outside of incel for…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/18 06:26 AM
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I mean, we were literally told that this is how it happens. Literally. Often by girls/women straight from the horse's mouth, as it were. "Just be yourself!" "It'll happen when it's supposed to." "It'll happen when you stop looking." "You're such a nice guy! Never change! You'll make some girl very happy one day!" Etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/18 04:37 AM
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What I have observed is that, basically, the red pill is more of the foundation of dating's reality and the blue pill overlays that. The blue pill is mostly correct, provided that you can first accept the red pill truths as the subtext. Said another way, the red pill defines the limits while the blue pill details the inner nuances. "Being yourself" really is the preferable thing (blue pill overlay) ...as long as you are able to define yourself into a very narrow definition of what people find ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/18 12:19 AM
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/thread I had the same experience
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/18 11:39 PM
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Sure, with the understanding that the majority of men are going to be losers in that scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/18 10:58 PM
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The only way to draw the conclusion that the video makes is to assume that women distribute the liberated sex equally, which isn't true. The female imperative allows/encourages apex men to hoard women, while lower men end up either celibate, cucked, or paying for Alpha's brats and thier mom once she loses her youth and beauty. Which is exactly what's happening. Why would any man want to sign up for that? The female imperative has just as much to do with declining marriage rates as the male imper…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/18 08:34 AM
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Here's a privilege. As a man, I am generally not afraid of being violently raped. Unless I end up in prison. (Which...is more likely for me as a man...) No teeth left to pull. I get reminded that I have male privilege every goddamn day. And the way I hear usually hear it, whatever disadvantages I have are either imaginary or self-inflicted. Men are not allowed to be perpetual victcms. That one's a female privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/18 06:55 AM
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Starts off solid but veers hard into Apex fallacy by the end of it
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/18 05:38 AM
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I’m not a man I just realize that any attention is more validating than none. This is obvious but getting most people to admit that they have privilege is like pulling teeth.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/18 03:16 AM
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The problem is that it's kind of hard for women to "keep it simple." That's one of the main reasons why men and women often have trouble seeing eye to eye...women want to deal in nuance, subjectiveness, and contextual variability while men want to get down to the brass tacks and hard limits. IQ vs. EQ. Doesn't help that usually, once you've crossed whatever fuzzy, unspoken boundary that women have people will react as if you've broken a hard and fast law...the discussion around sexual consent is…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/18 07:45 PM
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All of this indicates that society is willing to expend a substantial amount of effort on gender-policing betas into beta-ing. No. This is gender policing omegas into beta-ing. The type of man who uses a sexbot, who is addicted to porn, who is a "man-child" that spends a lot of time in the online manosphere is definitely not a beta. Beta, as in a man who is sexually bland but otherwise is a responsible adult with his shit together, would be a step up for omegas. So, in that sense I can concede t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/18 09:47 AM
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You're pretending that these orbiters, these "free samples", provide no benefits for women. They do provide benefits and when women lose these benefits they will complain. No, I just think that you're overestimating the value of these "benefits" considering that women are completely unwilling to pay for them. The value hinges on the fact that it's offered freely. Weighing beta orbiters against anything of value reveals them to be worthless. Is it nice to get a free cookie at the supermarket? Sur…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/18 04:05 AM
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If they had no value to women they wouldn't cultivate orbiters even tacitly or subtly. They'd ask the orbiters to go away and stop orbiting. Asking orbiters to go away is exactly what women do as soon as the orbiter begins to insist on some kind of reciprocation. Things are only as valuable as someone is willing to pay for them. Sure, she's not going to reject favors as long as it's offered freely but the second she feels like she needs to earn the privilege she loses all taste for it. Just like…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/18 02:28 PM
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Please. Beta orbiters have no value to women. At best, chivalry is like getting a free sample at the supermarket. You won't say no if they're offering, but you sure as hell ain't coming out of your pocket to actually buy the full product. If unattractive betas vanished overnight, no woman would bat an eyelash.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/18 01:24 PM
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Logically, if this were true, how would any group of friends come together in the first place? School, work, family, etc. If you don't have well-established friendship circles by your 20s, expect for things to stay that way. In the very next paragraph, I explicitly referred to the things you mentioned (school, work etc.) so the question remains. How do you suppose people are able to make friends at new schools/new jobs/new environments if your therory (that visible prior friend groups are requir…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/18 05:00 AM
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Are you saying that people don't make friends with people that don't already have friends? Yes. Logically, if this were true, how would any group of friends come together in the first place? You realize that outside of family, no one is automatically assigned a friend group at birth? That even if we counted family members, orphans who make friends are a thing? That literally everyone begins life out with 0 friends? That almost every non familial relationship you can observe has a "how we met" st…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/18 03:39 AM
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I don't understand. Are you saying that people don't make friends with people that don't already have friends? If you are total strangers, how would anyone know you don't have friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/18 06:08 PM
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Because nobody wants to build rapport with some nobody. No. This is exactly what happens. It's called making new friends. Strangers literally strike up friendly conversations with each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/18 04:37 PM
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Because nobody just asks a random ass guy on the street to go to a bar out of the blue. What everyone does is strike up a conversation with someone, build rapport to the point of being able to call that person an aquaintaince and then asks them to hang out at the bar.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/18 07:50 AM
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Ok thank you. Now we're getting somewhere. So, to be clear, all this analysis, all these long winded essays are not really about some systemic social problems plaguing a group called Good Men™ which threatens to eradicate virtuous traits from the gene pool. This is about justifying why you, personally, are unsuccessful because you are apparently treated completely differently than everyone else. As you can guess, I might disagree with you, but if you want to believe you are rare or uniquely disa…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/18 07:20 AM
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I'll repeat my question. How do you think they made those connections if they could never approach anyone for fear of being labeled a pervert/homosexual. If what you think about "social barriers" is 100% true, how does it follow that the vast, vast majority of people are able to make friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/18 06:57 AM
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I tried to reach out to people. I know 100% that the things I'm saying are true. So, in seeing that almost literally everyone is able to make friends where you can not, why in God's name, do you assume that you are the only one doing it right and everyone else has the problem? That's just illogical. This is, to my eyes, clear evidence that you are not understanding something socially. The problem is with you. Not society.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/18 06:50 AM
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Connections usually from work or old school friends. How do you think they made those connections if they could never approach anyone for fear of being labeled a pervert/homosexual. I'm not a nice guy/incel. Are you unable to make a romantic and/or sexual connection even though you would like to? Incel. Are you frustrated with your lack of success romantically even though you consider yourself virtuous? Nice guy. I don't personally attach any negative connotation to those labels. Part of being s…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/18 06:33 AM
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What? No, this is not reality. Why would anyone ever have any friends if this were the case? Shit, man, I'm quite a bit sympathetic to nice guys and incels but you are making this very difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/18 05:58 AM
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But everyone who is able to make friends in a metro is an asshole, though? Because that's what you're implying. Cause they're all assholes. And assholes can relate to other assholes. Sorry. Not implying. Outright claiming.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/18 05:50 AM
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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Unrealistic+beauty+standards It's generally accepted that society is heavily inundated with messages which put a lot of pressure on women to be beautiful, for among many other things, purposes of attracting a man. Men are, in fact, primarily attracted to physical beauty. So there is no lie. How were you not aware of this?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/18 01:51 PM
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Sorry that you went through that. I know what it's like. But you are most certainly an outlier. Either that or all the women that talk about the enormous pressure to look good are really exaggerating.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/18 01:03 PM
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Seeing as how women are always complaining about unrealistic beauty standards, no they are not fed the same kind of lies men are. Women are beat over the head from birth with and are aware (even to a fault) how men like attractive women and understand pretty accurately what that means. The entire basis of RP is that men are given misleading or outright false information and need to take the red pill to wake up to reality. I see no such philosophy or revelation for women, gold digging included.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/18 12:40 PM
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when these women realize that a lot of men (who they like) only value them for they're looks and that no amount of genuine niceness will make him want to be with her (he has options) and she just as valuable as her youthfulness and looks. I don't understand where you are getting this sob story from though. Like what makes you think that the proto golddigger ever valued an equal or idealized relationship in the first place, or ever saw relationships as more than just transactional? I can see why …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/18 12:21 PM
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I'm confused about a lot here. In the sense they have this fatal attraction to toxic attractive people (extremely hot men and women who don't really care much about others) and end up getting burnt. Are you saying that gold diggers are necessarily created when they get burnt by a toxic hot guy? I don't think I've ever heard that narrative. Or any origin story for gold diggers, really. For that matter, I don't even think redpillers are necessarily burned by toxic women. More that they usually are…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/18 09:03 AM
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They don't speak your language when it comes to relationships and that's okay. But it's a little shitty to expect them to understand things your way then ridicule them for trying to understand things in their own way. Well put. It's the difference between IQ and EQ. Most women and blue men have enough emotional intelligence to just be able to haphazardly stumble through all of this successfully. ("I don't know it just happens") Other people, mostly men, need to get down to the brass tacks in ord…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/18 05:13 AM
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Because a huge chunk of 30-35 year old women are actually mothers? To be pedantic, MILF is an acronym for "Mom I'd Like to Fuck." The average age of first pregnancy and birth in the west is 25-29. Therefore, there is a reasonable chance that a 30-35 year old woman is, in fact, a mom (that you may or may not want to fuck.)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/18 10:24 PM
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In 1633, Galileo was convicted of heresy by the Catholic Church and confined to house arrest for the rest of his life, because he believed, based on observation, that the Earth revolved around the Sun. He was right all along. If so many women are against it then surely it makes sense to stop following the red pill? No, this doesn't make sense at all. What makes sense is to pay attention to your own observations of reality instead of just blindly following what everyone else thinks.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/18 10:12 PM
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Women's standards are much lower than the standards that men have for women. No THAT'S completely bullshit. The minimum requirement for most men to be interested in some kind of sexual/romantic encounter is that she not be fat and/or annoying, full stop. Sometimes not even that much depending on his desperation. Women are way, way pickier than this to even flirt with a guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/18 05:21 PM
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Not approaching women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/18 11:26 PM
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Poor social skills, low self esteem, high standards, high passivity, bad luck
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/18 11:33 AM
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Well, you have to remember that slut shaming is still a thing, so there isn't any real payoff for a woman attracting a bunch of random men unless they're of high quality. For men, there's status in being able to attract multiple women, but a woman who boasts about how many average men she can draw is just opening herself up to being labeled a slut. Personally, I've seen men's attention being mostly used more as a way to attack (and kind of an underhanded, dirty tactic) a single woman, as in "You…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/18 06:55 PM
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It's certainly competition with other women, but male attention is part of that competition. There is a reason why women on Instagram commonly strike poses that accentuate their hips, breasts and asses. IME talking to women about this I honestly don't get the impression that this competition is about men much at all. I get the sense that men are easy to impress; Just slut it up a bit. But being able to be the envy of other women is the real validation. ​
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/18 05:12 PM
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The definition of the black pill is that some people can't be helped and that kind of nihilism is antithetical to the mainstream aka blue pilled view. Mostly because it lends itself to asking "why" and answering those questions tend to lead you to a more pessimistic red/black type of view on mating.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/18 09:01 AM
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I also think that men have adopted the female lens and seem to crave being desired more than what man of yesteryear would have stressed over. Totally me. My sexuality is highly activated by being lusted over, and I very much prefer that than the traditional male role of pursuit. I don't know how widespread that is. It may be in the #metoo era men are less interested in conquest.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/18 03:59 AM
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"Everything in the world is about sex except sex. Sex is about power."
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/18 03:50 AM
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Ah, but what does it matter that the pencil got worn down, as long as it was useful until then? Unlike the lock that opened for every key.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/18 12:32 PM
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A key that opens any lock is a good key. A lock that opens for any key is a shitty lock.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/18 11:22 AM
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As I understand the CC, it's not that women want to fuck around a lot, it's that they want the best man available to them and, while they are young and pretty, there's always another guy around the corner that can outdo the previous guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/18 05:33 AM
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To be fair, it's hard for anyone to be objective about that, even for the people that are feeling and thinking the things. The value in something like the red pill is that it does tend to describe things that actually happen ("don't listen to what women say, watch what they do.") Agreed that where it can fall short is describing the "why." Blue pill can be the opposite, explaining the why more accurately, at least accurate to a woman's individual perspective, but falling short on predicting what…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/18 10:00 PM
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I lean red and this describes me pretty well. I didn't start drinking until I was 22 and never did any drugs at all until I was 30. I was really uncomfortable and uptight about it for most of my life, which was a real shame since I attended a notorious party college so I never experienced that culture when I when I had the most opportunities. I just wanted to be a good kid and follow the rules that were laid out by adults in my life. I think that's probably a common trait for RP's target audienc…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/18 04:12 AM
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Dishonor! Dishonor on you! Dishonor on your cow!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/18 09:15 PM
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When you fixate on potential negative behaviors of one gender people are going to start to wonder. Because society has a way of suggesting that one gender is less "flawed" than the other gender. ​
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/18 08:06 PM
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That they were doing the things that supposedly decent women want. They do not and have never. And noone ever really said they did. First of all, I did say that they were "trying" based upon the information that is usually broadcasted about what women want. God forbid someone is wrong once and a while has to try things out to see what works and what doesn't like a normal human being. You're coming off judgemental as hell tbqh. It’s like saying “I tried getting to 4 with addition. It didn’t work,…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/18 06:12 PM
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I disagree, noone likes or respects a doormat. Confident, sensible and decent women prefer someone they respect. I'm not sure what you disagree with...that these men were trying to be what decent women wanted? I understand that you think that they were going about it the wrong way (I mean, obviously. They were repeatedly rejected.) Reading TRP and Asktrp, there's a lot of talk about past doormat behaviour. That isn't what decent women are into. I agree, and I think most men experience up close t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/18 01:56 PM
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I also think it's a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy. These guys get into TRP moaning they can't get a good woman, and then engage in behaviours that sensible, confident and decent women don't respond to, further targeting the type of woman they believe represents us all. That's not a self-fulilling prophesy at all. You left out the part where, in the first place, these guys tried to engage in behaviors that would theoretically be appealing to confident, sensible and decent women but got repeat…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/18 05:32 AM
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Ah...touché
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/18 05:42 AM
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Not quite. You're conflating the two faulty core beliefs that RP guys originally bought into, namely: Women are not "shallow" and don't care about looks as much as men do. "Its what's inside that counts." (Misleading: women care about looks at least as much as men do, it's just not the only thing they care about.) Women value beta comfort traits, like niceness, responsibility, gentleman and providership behavior more than anything else, so work hard to develop those traits. (Misleading: beta tra…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/18 03:35 AM
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Works for me. I'm not top 20%. I'm just a better fisherman than hunter. There are trade-offs. You have little control over who approaches you so you'll probably need to broaden your standards as well as getting comfortable politely rejecting (harder than it looks.) You aren't going to be pulling a woman every night, but you're not getting rejected over and over either. You have to work on being approachable, fun, patient and throwing IOIs out. And you still have to be able to initiate conversati…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/18 09:57 PM
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Anime really isn't even all that isolating. Anime is not synonymous with hentai, and even if it were, hentai is just porn, not necessarily tentacles and other weird shit. I don't mean to pile on you, you just don't seem to have a very informed view of what anime even is and it's fans are even like, and yet you're talking like its definitively this major cause of inceldom and social problems. I get that you aren't into it, but I think you're projecting a negative superficial opinion as a fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/18 06:27 PM
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Sports fans don't retreat into isolation and crap themselves for fun. Neither do anime fans, as a rule. I suppose some incels do, if the article is to be believed, but incel =/= anime fan.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/18 05:27 PM
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How is this different than any other serious fandom though? People obsess over sports to the point of violence and destroying public property, for a prime example.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/18 03:36 PM
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Honestly, if it's that difficult to approach then just up your passive game, man. Make sure you look good. Project yourself as an interesting person. Work on your presentation and commmunication skills. Develop flirting and banter abilities. Believe it or not, there are women that have no problems doing the approaching.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/18 01:06 PM
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Neither commitment nor marriage are as valuable to women as they used to be. Considering that women are much less likely to get remarried they either don't need intimacy as much as men, or what men are actually lacking is being interpreted by them as intimacy. I think women, in general, don't usually have to face up to a total lack of intimacy as much as men do, whether they have a large need for it or not. Women, in general, are going to have an easier time attracting men and more opportunities…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/18 05:54 AM
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It's like human speech. If you think about it, talking is extremely complicated, what with the biological, social, and neurological architecture that has to be in place in order for language to happen. And yet, for 90% of people, it just works without much thought at all. Point being, a lot of things have to happen under the hood for this thing that is seen as extremely common to work properly. Same thing with dating. For most people, it just happens. But if it doesn't and you have to think abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/18 05:33 AM
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I think there is a real difference in the definition of "losing" here, though. "Losing" for women might be not getting married or a significant commitment. "Losing" for men might mean a lack of any romantic interaction with women at all. That kind of isolation fucks with your psyche.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/18 04:38 AM
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I don't hear the same men that turn to TRP saying they were lied to because they've worked hard and haven't become millionaires. I don't imagine they had to be told that it might not happen for them, but for some reason that logic doesn't apply to relationships. Because, unlike becoming a millionaire, there's a definite expectation that romantic success is something that happens to everyone unless there is a major identifiable reason why. It's not only men that have this worldview. It's just tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/18 02:16 AM
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I’m a bi man, not a woman. u/PennnyLame and u/Texastentialism are women, are commenting in this comment thread, and I specifically said "PPD Women." So I am obviously not referring to you, am I? Even if I were... And you don’t seem to recognize that I talk about my bf’s flaws because I find them endearing. I don't know what makes you think that I assigned any kind judgement instead of just stating the simple fact that flaws are being openly discussed, period. You seem cranky for some reason. Hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/18 03:28 PM
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Commented for posterity: PPDWomen in this comment thread openly discussing how thier men are not perfect ubermenschen. So now we can all stop complaining about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/18 09:52 PM
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That's the secret. Guys who chase the skinny bitches are missing out on those awesome titties.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/18 09:35 PM
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I greatly respect/admire heroic women although this isn't any different than how I view heroic men. In terms of sexual attractiveness, I'm more drawn to women that are physically strong which can coorrelate to competence in dangerous situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/18 12:34 PM
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Agree somewhat. There are a few nuances that I've observed. Women build status among each other through beauty standards. Beauty standards also usually make women more attractive to men, but this is not really the motivation for it. Hence the "I wear makeup for me" thing women often say. Men build status through attracting women. Women are pressured to get married eventually, sure, but it's men that are pressured to be ladies' men and womanizers (judged on how many women they can attract.) Said …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/18 02:17 AM
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Well, as a person who made the mistake of settling for "not good enough," anything more than that isn't settling from my perspective. "Good enough" sounds lovely.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/18 03:33 AM
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I'm completely passive so I've probably done slightly more rejection than being rejected
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/18 12:04 PM
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JFC. This is sacrcasm, right? Please tell me this is sarcasm. Talk about a gilded cage. This is the most bluepilled, "know your place" propaganda I've seen in a while.... "You see betas, isn't it so fulfilling to "appreciated" as an ATM, emotional tampon and virtual manservant to a woman who spent her youth having awesome sex with a bunch of men way more attractive than you, while you pined away in your bedroom alone with a jar of Vaseline day in and day out? Isn't it just a joy being finally se…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/18 08:43 PM
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38 year old.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/18 12:45 PM
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The issue is that most men don't realize that the beta is considered to be the bottom of the barrel. Beta is, broadly, just an average guy. Most men are average guys. So in other words, most men are considered by women to be last resort, desperation-level barely acceptable choices, at best. This is jarring because if you reverse the genders, this isn't the case. Men are usually attracted to and perfectly happy with the average woman. But as a man, apparently, it's not good enough to be average. …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/18 06:26 AM
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This is exactly the type of thing men need to hear straight from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/18 03:33 AM
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Even after they mature and age out of the 'bad boy' phase, women aren't interested in beta men. When they say 'good man' they mean physically attractive, funny, with a good job and leadership qualities. Is there any evidence to suggest that women think that alpha men are abundant at any point and suddenly disappear for no reason? I would think that women are aware that the types of men you are describing would be hot commodities and understandably picked off early. When they realize the bachelor…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/18 03:06 PM
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Honestly? I'd probably say something like "That figures..." and then try to be better.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/18 09:15 PM
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I definitely think I might have been better off born a girl. Don't get me wrong...I like being a dude, but I just don't seem to have the natural aptitude to live up to my gender roles most of the time. It takes constant vigilance and effort to be notably masculine and I sometimes feel like sans gendered expectations it's just "easier" to slip into either neutral "unmasculine" or even feminine habits. I have a tendency to be drawn to some stereotypically feminine hobbies and interests compared to…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/18 04:32 PM
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How can you possibly get this so very wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/18 09:01 AM
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TBH your "good on paper" doesn't have anything particularly attractive about him. He's certainly not bad, but there isn't anything great about him either. Unfortunately, we men are in a competition for female attention, and if you can't find a way to stand out, you will lose. It sucks, but it's true. Somewhere along the line men get the idea that average should be good enough (maybe because being average is enough if you're a woman) but that's really not how it works for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/18 03:54 AM
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The older red men vary from guys who I think are pretty grounded and take a more common sense approach to RP (to the point where I am utterly confused by their need for it) "When you do things right, people won’t be sure you’ve done anything at all.”
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/18 02:01 AM
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So why isn't there a cohesive female narrative on this sub regarding female sexuality? Because women are individuals and they are never going to agree on anything 100% of the time. First and foremost, you've got to have the balls to try out something that may or may not work and enough of an outcome independent frame to just move on if she turns you down.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/18 06:44 PM
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Commitment is worth whatever she is willing to pay, so it's going to be different for every couple. Jammerly1, You don't seem to think that men are worth a damn in general so just do you and don't commit to any man. It's not for everybody...Nothing wrong with that. Feminists fought to allow you that choice. I'm sure nobody here is requiring for you to explain yourself if you decide to go your own way.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/18 07:11 AM
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hey you stole my joke :)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/18 06:59 AM
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Well, I thought it remarkable that a girl of 4-5 y/o could (accurately) zero in attractiveness as the major component in popularity when, at that age, it probably would have been the farthest thing from my mind. For two big reasons: In kindergarten, I was practically asexual. Sure, I could maybe formulate some understanding of an attractive adult woman, but girls my own age, nah, we're all just snot-nosed little kids, barely older than toddlers. Appreciating the physical attractiveness of anyone…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/18 11:11 PM
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No one gives “accurate information” to kindergarten girls and girls in 1st 2nd 3rd grade. That’s a reach. I was under the impression that girls are indoctrinated into strict beauty standards pretty much since birth and so are more likely to notice the very real effect physical attractiveness has on social standing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/18 04:23 PM
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It was probably obvious to you because you were given accurate information in the first place. Boys are not given accurate information.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/18 01:28 PM
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Women have always said and behaved as though they wanted a sexy dude who buys her thingsssss. Literally it’s the plot of every Disney movie. The romantic plots of most movies, Disney or otherwise, is overwhelmingly that the Nice Guy gets the girl in the end. The Hunchback of Notre Dame is a sobering, realistic outlier in this regard, in that they don't even bother to rationalize it. Quasi doesn't get to be with the hot Gypsy solely because he is physically deformed. Sorry not sorry. The obvious …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/18 08:34 PM
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I have shitty self esteem so I fluctuate between being upset about my place in the SMV and thinking that I don't deserve any better until some mythical, far-off point of personal achievement. shrug
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/18 07:42 AM
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As a man who typically hates chasing, that's going to be a no from me, dog. In my case, the girl that is straightforward, doesn't play games and makes her attraction known is going to have a major advantage. u/locinity sounds like a man who has plenty of options and I think it's a mistake to generalize that to all men. Before you say, "Well, TRP generalizes AFBB to all women," remember that the average woman is going to have many more options than the average man. Case in point: Just like the na…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/18 07:37 AM
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Thank you. This is exactly what I was talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/18 06:07 AM
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Because mainstream feminism's total domination of the gender dialogue can lead people to feel that women are always disadvantaged compared to men in just about every aspect of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/18 03:18 PM
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Okay, so I have been involved in those communities for about a year and a half, and have been to dozens of events. I'm at a party nearly every weekend. Here's are a few observations as a pretty low beta-type guy, that would probably be TRPs main audience. AMA. As a guy who struggles in the mainstream SMP I find this scene to be far, far easier to find success with. Sex is extremely casual in the scene, literally almost on the level of something like a fun board game at a vanilla party, so the ba…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/18 06:37 PM
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If he can afford to buy them himself, he can wear dresses. If I'm paying for his clothes, he's wearing boy clothes.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/18 04:24 PM
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Dominant, pretty, smart
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/18 11:40 AM
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"Everything in the world is about sex, except for sex. Sex is about power."
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/18 11:20 AM
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I've noticed men more often think their personality is set in stone as opposed to women, at least based on opinions given here on PPD I doubt that either gender is more prone to believe personality is set in stone. I think it's more that men are the only ones that have to worry about it. Men are the only ones that can have a "wrong" personality for dating success. You need to basically have a masculine, cocky/confident, charming air about you to maximize potential. If you are insecure, shy, soci…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/18 12:44 AM
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So basically, if your personality is unsuited for dating, lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/18 08:21 PM
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"personality is more important than looks" is a lie society tells us to make us feel better, because it's far easier to change the former than the latter. No isn't. Changing your looks is largely math (for weight loss) and aesthetics, which is not that hard to practice and failing that, mimic. Changing your actual personality can involve, in an incomplete list, going to therapy, facing your fears, changing the way you think and process information, taking risks, challenging your perception of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/18 08:19 PM
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Truth is, all that shit is hard or near impossible to change if you need to, so it's understandable to be upset about it. Hell, women routinely get upset about beauty standards and, compared to what women want from men, beauty standards are a cakewalk to fix, and not even a real barrier to entry.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/18 08:04 PM
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Totally relate. I've come a Hell of a long way in my ability to talk to women. But I still can never make that final push into any kind of commitment (even just a date or hookup) because, if I'm being honest, I don't actually believe I'm worth a damn. I've developed quite a complex about "inflicting" myself on some poor unsuspecting woman. When I was a teenager, I was a nervous wreck and around women, cripplingly shy, and painfully oblivious to any women showing interest. My only serious relatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/18 02:54 PM
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Reading between the lines of this discussion, this suggests a very stark difference in a way men and women perceive others. Men see most women at a varying level of quality, but still inherently worth something (Golden Corral vs 5 star restaurant.) Women see most men as inherently worthless, with only a few men possibly worth of consideration. (Rotten or inedible faux "food" that is physically inedible) Men are reducing women down to one aspect and probably not fully appreciating the differences…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/18 03:20 PM
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The reason why I still identify as BP, though, is that you aren't absolved of the responsibility of being a decent person just because it's not always going to get you to get laid. Look at Henry the domestic abuser from his article - is he off the hook for beating women because he's obviously got a sexual strategy that works? In a sense, Henry is off the hook. We can wag our fingers at Henry all we want but he obviously isn't paying any consequences for his bad behavior against women. So by defi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/18 01:51 PM
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I think that most guys, the more they feel accepted by women, the less misogynistic they're going to be. In a way it's almost 'duh': Someone tells you they don't accept you or care about your feelings, you respond by being angry, or indifferent to their feelings back. I think it's more that mysogyny is seen as "worse" when it's reactionary and coming from men who don't know thier place. Like there was a thread here maybe a week ago about how college women will gladly go along with the hyper masc…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/18 06:33 AM
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Hot girls = bad girls = bad boys, i.e. alphas (the most attractive to the opposite gender). They have high SMV. This equivalence doesn't really work. The trope of girls liking bad boys is about literal bad boys - criminals, thugs, bullies, assholes etc. So called "Dark Triad" personalities that women seem to find attractive even though they are seen as negative in polite society. Nothing about what men find attractive in a woman has anything to do with how "bad" she is. It's almost entirely all …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/18 03:38 AM
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Asymmetrical requirements. Bad for a man to be indecisive. NBD for a woman to be indecisive.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 05:47 AM
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I did specify "participating in dating." Agreed that most people have trouble with dating in general because it's difficult to find "the one." That's a different problem than having trouble finding anyone. People with the latter problem are usually treated at fault because for most people just being able to engage is appartently pretty easy. IME people seem to be resistant to the idea that this kind of socialization doesn't come naturally to otherwise normal people and that there must be somethi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 05:40 AM
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True Neutral. Huh. I thought I was much more of a goody two-shoes.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/18 01:24 PM
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Well said. Women are human beings. Men are human doings.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/18 11:31 AM
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The villification. The fact that participating in the dating market is so goddamn natural and mindlessly easy for the majority of people that those of us who struggle with it are seen as basically defective at best or legitimately bad people at worst.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/18 10:54 AM
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Mmm. First thought when I was trying this on "Wow I wanna fuck myself."
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 04:55 PM
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I agree with you. The Chads and Stacies of the world are exactly the type of person that either always has a shitty job, but never seems to need money and gets away with habitually slacking off, or the person who doesn't seem to be very qualified for a great job but gets them relatively easily anyway (i.e. generic business degree, 2.0 gpa and then an internship at a swanky Fortune 500 because they know a guy.) The losers are more likely to be "successful" in that they are quiet drones that just …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 04:24 PM
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I can’t really get down with the whole “you just became friends with me because you wanted romance and that’s deceitful” definition because like almost all my BFs were friends first and yet I spent time getting to know them to see if I/they wanted something more. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that, it’s pretty normal to me. It's perfectly normal. Everyone does this. It's only when unattractive men do it that people lose their minds.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 08:27 PM
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Not really. Leading someone on implies that one party knows what the other wants out of the relationship and hints that it may be possible while actually having no intentions in that direction. So like when a guy knows that a woman is looking for commitment and leaves just enough bait to keep her around for sex but never commits, for example. So in the case of the Nice Guy, if he had approached you when he first met you and expressed attraction, and you made it clear you were never going to be i…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 07:47 PM
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Women don’t really select the Alpha males in a macro sense - men select the Alpha Males and the women follow suit. The key is for men to make the guys with merit also the men of value. That means you must support the success of men who are powerful AND virtuous into leadership. This is a very powerful thought. I like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 01:27 PM
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But in what world would anyone want to see a penis? How would sharing a picture of penis increase their own horniness? I mean, do you not like to look at tits, pussy or a woman's ass? Women lift thier shirts at rock concerts for a reason. Body parts are sexy and sexualized. This is just a case of having it backfire when men try to put themselves in a woman's shoes. The thinking goes: "I'm in a situation where we're trading sexually explicit photos. What makes the photos sexually explicit is that…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 12:51 PM
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Agreed. People who keep saying that the RP style advices had always been mainstream always make the mistake of conflating the kinds of "common sense" things about dating with the actual advice that is given. Before RP, most advice assumed that everybody "knew" certain realities about dating and worked from there, leaving a whole lot of stuff unsaid. What Pickup/Red Pill/incel communities highlighted is that there are a lot of men that would unfortunately take that kind of advice completely at fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/18 12:09 AM
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You might be right, OP, but it doesn't matter. Women are not required to disclose 100% truthfully why they choose the guys they do. Fuck what anybody "says." Learn what's effective. If you want to get laid, it's your job to figure out what works and apply that. This is a competition and the men that are winning are not wasting time whining about how the game works.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/18 10:15 PM
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lol. Nerd.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 04:17 PM
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In a sense they are victims, in that the only reason they think pussy should be doled out on merit is because that's the pervasive message that they get from society, in order to keep the poor bastards docile for all eternity. Sure, most people are able to read between the lines and take all that bullshit with a giant dose of salt, but like, why is the shit test even necessary? Just tell people the damn truth and be done with it. The competition is going to weed the weak out anyway. If anything,…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 01:52 PM
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Eh. I think you're probably underestimating the amount of effort and things that need to go the right way for a guy to do "just fine." Doesn't help that part of attractiveness is never admitting how much effort it takes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/18 08:11 AM
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"Lol no" -Baby Daddies everywhere
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/18 12:47 PM
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Just be neurotypical and reasonably attractive bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/18 07:08 PM
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Alpha Men>Alpha Women>Beta Women>Beta Men>Omega Men>Omega Women. Everyone is very aware of the privileges of people above them but mostly blind to the opposite gender disadvantages below them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/18 03:45 AM
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If there's one thing I appreciate about you, Jammerly1 it's that you don't have the kind of filter that most women do that causes them to twist away from the kind of morally uncomfortable truths you talk about. I particularly think these are thought provoking. [Men] are now having to actually earn the respect from women they once thought was their birthright, because they can no longer force women legally, socially, via religion, or through threat of violence and they’re failing miserably. Mothe…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/18 06:09 PM
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Reading this, a few things. IMO having a choice is better than no choice. What's happening is that you are deciding that the risk of bad sex is too great to justify trying (No Sex>Bad Sex) That's your perogative, but understand that some men do not have a chance to even take that risk. Like it or not, that is a disadvantage. Furthermore, this is all about probabilities, but you're talking about this as if ugly women get bad sex 100% of the time. I'm not going to argue that unattractive women are…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/18 06:58 AM
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I mean incels get jack shit so....Bottom feeding is probably better than no feeding
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/18 05:44 AM
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Well, Alpha and Beta are broad, unnuanced archetypes that don't reflect how men are in real life. I think most of these discussions usually revolve around how most women will say that they appreciate beta qualities, but you actually respond to alpha qualities more when given the option. Most men are going to fall in the middle somewhere, so when you say that you want some alpha and some beta you're talking about the vast majority of men. So a better thought exercise might be to describe the bala…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/18 07:08 PM
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the fact that men are judged on their accomplishments rather than looks. Men are absolutely judged on appearance, and it tends to be on things harder/impossible to "fix" like height and race. The idea that being judged on accomplishments is somehow better is shortsighted. It's true that women have to deal with stricter physical beauty standards, but it pretty much ends there. For men, just being physically attractive isn't enough. An ugly girl is essentially doomed to be forced to settle, wherea…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/18 03:55 AM
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The punchline is that women are attracted to the types of guys that are more likely to pump and dump, so it's a self fufilling prophesy. Women are often uninterested in the docile ones so if she decides to approach, she's probably going to want one of the riskier but confident guys with a lot of options as opposed to the blander commitment focused guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/18 12:45 PM
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Really? I've always felt that women show a particular visceral disgust for weak men in practice. I've heard this sentiment on this sub directly from women. Like a sense that on top of weakness and failure being kind of pathetic, weakness when you allegedly have the patriarchy on your side is even worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/18 12:15 PM
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There just aren't a whole lot of positives to casual sex for women. High risk of pregnancy/rape/violence. Lower libido. Much, much more social pressure not to have casual sex. Sex most likely being less enjoyable, uncomfortable or even painful with a rando as opposed to someone she actually knows and likes. Orgasm far less guaranteed. It's so easy to get sex it's not any kind of achievement. There's really not much of an upside that I can think of unless she has an exceptionally high sex drive, …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/18 12:44 AM
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Do you think the same way about the Civil Rights movement? Or the Gay Rights movement? Why aren't they fighting for white and straight rights?! Why can't they just be for equality?! This doesn't work though because nonwhite and nonhetero people are actual minorities in the west. Civil rights groups are necessary because they are working on issues that aren't visible or relevant to literally most people. Despite what feminists imply, women are not actually a demographic minority to any significan…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/18 10:50 PM
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Nah, women are very prone to backstabbery for personal gain. Despite it all women are still attracted to alpha males and some of y'all would definitely fuck up and give the power back to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/18 11:51 PM
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How would for example "toxic masculinity" fit into this straw-feminism? Well, it often gets described as patriarchy backfiring, not men as victims per se
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/18 01:21 PM
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I think as far as the whole "thinking bad stuff about the opposite sex" thing goes both men and women are equally guilty of that. Women seem to get away with it far more, though
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 11:15 AM
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Fair enough
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 05:01 AM
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Okay. So is there any part of the Red Pill that you find (potentially) understandable or are you just not interested in the "purple" and/or "debate" parts of the sub?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 02:46 AM
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Your response still reeks of the idea that their failure with women is something society is doing to them, not something they're responsible for by thinking about and treating women like garbage. Men who find redpill ideology attractive already have the attitude that women, and by extension the rest of society, owe(s) them sex. No, wrong. Ah, okay. Yes, this is where we fundamentally disagree. I don't believe that RP men are horrible people at birth and that then that's ultimately why they fail …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/18 10:29 PM
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I see what you're saying but I think that it's always going to fall on the deaf ears of the RP audience. Because at the end of the day, blue pill didn't and hasn't worked for these guys and as the old saying goes, "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." Here's what I think happens. Society has many insidious ways of leaving behind certain people, romantically/sexually or otherwise, and then making them feel as if it's all their fault, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/18 09:39 PM
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Wholesome friendliness and appreciation?? On MY reddit?! HOW DARE YOU?!!! This is really nice, all joking aside. More people should do this with people they disagree with
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 07:54 PM
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I really, really like big titties, but it's much more like a bonus rather than a requirement. No way in hell I'm rejecting an otherwise attractive girl just because she's flst. So no I have no lower limit.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/18 03:26 AM
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Perfect personality and better than average attractiveness? Yes, I'd absolutely be thinking about marriage pretty quickly. It's easier for men to impress women even if he's not the most physically attractive man - he can use tools like humor, salary, intellect, aggressive traits, good sex, game tactics to attract a woman. I don't think it's easier at all. All of those non-physical things are very difficult or impossible to improve if you're not just naturally gifted at them. As in, it could take…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 07:28 AM
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This was my experience as well. Surrounded by women but virtually no men. Agreed that the male role model is crucial. I think what happens is women can't actually teach you how to be a man, because they aren't men. Women can't really articulate what is is about a man that's actually desirable or attractive in a way that actually teaches a boy how to carry himself. Might as well be magic to them. So being around women a lot is probably good for understanding women. But it's not good at all for un…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/18 01:00 AM
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You say "no standards", but it is likely just a case of "different standards". I like chubby girls. I date chubby girls. I have high standards, but they're different standards from yours. I'd take one of the girls I'm into over one of the girls you're probably into because she's actually sexier to me. Maybe the idea that most people probably have different standards and preferences from yours just didn't occur to you though. ...What? I meant that men's standards are less narrow than women's beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 10:21 PM
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No harm done :)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 09:14 PM
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It’s not man sharing because “OMG he’s hot!” it’s man sharing because “i fuck him I can get a job anywhere I want” (in Monica’s case) and “if i fuck and bribe him, I can quit doing milf porn.” I don't think there's a need for some kind of purity test, though. I'm operating under the under the pillosphere understanding that money and status are a part of female sexual strategy. That gold diggers are coldly utilitarian about it doesn't, in actual practice, refute the simple fact that (some) women …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 09:11 PM
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I hear this all the time on the internet, but my experience was completely antagonistic to this. I was raised entirely by women. Most of my family members are women (I dunno, more girls get born for some reason. My friends joke that if I ever have kids they're all going to be daughters.) Most of my teachers have been women. Most of my friends in general were girls, and my closest friends were almost exclusively female. My father wasn't around. I have no brothers. I grew up during the "Girl Power…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 08:51 PM
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I...kinda really think you are misreading... I didn't say a single thing about myself in there, so I'm not sure where you got the notion that I refer to women as "Stacy's" or that I'm acting like I'm a "special case" or "a poor person that no one understands" or "that I want some lovin'..." But either way, as for your devotion to your broke, NotChad husband, a lot of women (and men, tbh. Humans are idiots.) will ignore demonstrably bad people if they are attractive enough, however you define "at…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 08:30 PM
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The thing is...it's true, though. You're shallow. Just like men. Just like everyone. Men don't get to run from the truth just because it's unflattering. Why should women?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 08:16 PM
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Are you sure you responded to the right person?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 08:09 PM
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Yes this, but I was actually thinking more along the lines of the side chick, since the main partner is usually kept in the dark about the infidelity for as long as possible. Some women will knowingly be the side ho to a very attractive and/or powerful man who's already committed (think Monica Lewinsky, Stormy Daniels, Marilyn Monroe, just to stick with US Presidents for example.) Anecdotally, it seems that men are less willing to engage in/be content with that strategy, but I could be wrong, so…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 08:05 PM
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Right. Because getting punched in the eye, raped/murdered, and "grabbed by the pussy" are attractive.../s I'm more inclined to think that women are a bit less insane and simply fool themselves into thinking that "he wouldn't do it to me," instead of being actively aroused by the real possibility of their own destruction.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 07:46 PM
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Men are competing for most women because 1.) Men do not share women. 2.) Having any woman (to yourself) is better than no woman. 3.) Men are thirsty and have low standards so the proportion of women that are completely unable to participate in the dating market is vanishingly small. Women are competing for top men because 1.) Women would rather get a cat than settle with an undesirable man. 2.) Women have high standards and so the proportion of men that are undesirable is relatively high. 3.) Wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 02:16 PM
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The "everyone who can get laid at all is Chad" fallacy is real. But so is the halo effect, which is the core point of the whole Chad meme. These motherfuckers have no trouble getting laid, because a lot of women (and men, tbh. Humans are idiots.) will ignore demonstrably bad people if they are attractive enough, however you define "attractive." tldr: people are shallow af. There's a cultural meme that women are not shallow af. Cue manosphere gleefully pointing out said shallowness when women com…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 02:01 PM
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Men say they want "agreeable" but mostly they want hot, which is fine I think that is normal. Men do prefer agreeable but will tolerate bitchiness from more attractive people, just like everyone else. Women are particular in that they will turn down a man for being too nice, which is not really a thing that women nearly ever get rejected for.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/18 06:46 PM
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I (a woman) have been told that I'm too nice by many people in various situations, it's just that dating is the one area where women aren't that affected by it. Say it again for the people in the back. I hate this about being a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/18 06:39 PM
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All else equal? Yeah, more women are going to be turned off by the nice guy. It seems to come off as weak and unattractive to women. Granted, they don't want a total asshole either, but it appears that assholishness is more tolerable than perceived weakness. Sweet spot is slightly cocky/abrasive with a heart of gold.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/18 05:40 PM
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To be more specific, how nice you are has very little to do with whether or not a woman finds you romantically/sexually attractive. That's at best. At worst, being very accommodating can make an already unattractive person even more unattractive. Problem is women will tend to imply the exact opposite of this...that niceness is, in and of itself, a sought after positive trait in men or that it has any particular positive role in attractiveness compared to other traits. It really, really does not.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/18 11:16 PM
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This entire question is a perfect example of female privilege. OP doesn't realize how uncommon it is for men to get overt positive attention from ANY women, much less above average women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/18 04:33 PM
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Can this be a thing, please? I would love this!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/18 04:21 PM
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People can handle the fact that they are a lesser basketball player, a lesser chess player, a lesser calculus student. But telling someone they are lesser as a mate selection strikes the core of the person in judgement. If anything, this is more of a reason to address it because, at the core of it, mating actually isn't very different than chess or basketball or calculus. It involves a set of skills that absolutely can be learned and improved on, with the big difference being that luck plays a b…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/18 04:00 AM
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Cheaters are not a good example. Thier MO is to pretend that they are in monogamous relationships and decieve the people they're with. Family is blood so those relationships are not really a choice, and friends are on a different plane of commitment than lovers. Like I said, I don't knock what works for others, but I just take partnership very seriously. If I'm with you, I'm all in to building a life with you. If I can't trust you to reciprocate with me 100% (either by being only with me, or pul…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/18 01:34 PM
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I don't judge, but I have a hard time wrapping my head around it. My idea of a committed relationship involves a level of intimacy and life partnership that seems like it would be diminished if one person has external commitments. Like for your example, OP, I could understand a situation where all four of you collectively build a life together, but it sounds like each of this lady's partners only gets a "piece" of her and I just can't square that as being long-term viable. Sex is a different sto…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/18 12:47 PM
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I prefer phrasing it as a reminder that, since I don't know her, there's a decent chance that she's crazy. Like I see a cute girl, decide I want to talk to her but before I start up the conversation, mentally, "Remember, bitch miiiiiiiight be crazy." Whether it's true or not, it defuses the whole halo effect thing where just because she's hot, I assume she's too good for me and start to doubt myself and take everything too seriously. I can relax. Also heard it phrased, "No matter how hot she is,…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 09:41 PM
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Consent is a good example of how both red and blue lack nuance, though. The mainstream (blue) outlook comes off casting consent as an "easy" issue that men are either too spergy or too entitled to handle with basic human decency. "Everything but an enthusiastic yes means no." "Just teach men not to rape." Etc. But then RP will talk about things like pushing past LMR. It's very often not that simple either way. Like you said, intimate and sexual relationships have a lot of context and nuance. It …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/18 08:36 PM
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I mean, it's not the end of the world. People have died virgins or celibate and still lived full, happy lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/18 10:48 AM
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You’re a unicorn who doesn’t like sexual or intimate relationships with women? Don’t take this the wrong way but I’ve only ever seen dudes who get rejected/fail with women think like this You're saying this like it's automatically a bad thing though. What's so bad about being rejected by women? Are women the ultimate arbiters of a man's worth?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/18 09:14 AM
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If it's a choice between a nice 6 and a bitchy 10 sure. Everyone makes compromises. But most guys wouldn't be dating a hard 2 except out of desperation, no matter how sweet she is. Women seem to be much more likely to date someone they're straight-up physically unattracted to if he ticks enough of the other boxes.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/18 02:59 AM
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Ideally, MGTOW isn't about blaming women, it's about deciding that they're not worth the effort. Question is, why should anyone be chasing women anyways? RP is very mainstream in that it never really asks this question and uses difficulties getting laid as a proxy for personal failures. So yeah, RP is at the core about self-improvement but primarily to the end that it will get you women and thus validation. To be fair, you absolutely should be self improving, but if you can do it only for you an…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/18 06:46 PM
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Really? I've always thought women had very unpredictable taste in men. I mean my sister is super picky, but for some reason she's attracted to Will Ferrell of all people (I get why, he's an awesome dude, but he doesn't seem like the type women would be into). Nah, women are just less laser focused on visuals. The list of attributes that make for an ideal man seems to be pretty similar from woman to woman, but men are able to compensate for the lack of one thing with another. So I imagine your si…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/18 12:41 AM
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You do not understand scarcity mentality OP
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/18 04:01 PM
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I mean, hey, small penis or not you were still good enough to try. As opposed to all those other guys that didn't get anything. You have to understand scarcity mentality.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/18 04:01 PM
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I don't know that I've really heard from men that we hate sluts purely from the fact that sluts have a lot of sex. In fact, I think men highly prefer the sluttier side of the slut/prude spectrum. I think you're misunderstanding. Usually it's: 1) She has sex with everyone but me. 2) She has sex with me and everyone else too, even though we're supposed to be monogamous. 3) She has had a lot great adventurous sex with everyone else but became a prude once she settled down with me. 4) She wants me t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/18 03:53 PM
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I've had it described by an ex perfectly. "I gave you a chance to make the right decision."
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/18 01:23 PM
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Rule of thumb for women's preferences IME: Slightly more > Average > Slightly less > Significantly more >>> Significantly less. That goes for cock size as well as things like status, heights, looks, wealth, alpha/beta balance etc. It varies from woman to woman, but generally, she wants a man who is superior to other men but not so much as to cause other problems. Regardless, "too much" is always preferable to "not enough." This last piece is revealed in the "watch what they say not what they do,…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/18 07:33 AM
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This. It's like the difference between a skillful poker player and someone who lucks into a few good hands. Bluepillers take the fact that the average man isn't celibate his entire life as evidence that there isn't really a problem while ignoring that, basically, the stars aligned for a lot of those guys and, apples to apples, average men are not going to be able to count on consistent success on the same level as average women. Sure, your average guy needs to have the social wherewithal (which …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/18 01:48 AM
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If lonely men want women to truly empathize with them, then they need to emphasize their romantic loneliness and desire for love and companionship, not sex. To be fair, lonely men are actually feeling the exact same need for love and companionship that lonely women are, which is why hiring prostitutes doesn't fix the problem. It's people who don't want to emphasize with lonely men that mischaracterize the whole thing as being only about sex because it's unflattering and makes it easier to cast t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/18 03:39 AM
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If we’re going to continuously lean on this idea that female privilege is women as the gatekeepers of sex, then we also have to admit male privilege is men as the gatekeepers of relationships. You can’t have your evopsych cake and eat it too. This sounds plausible at first glance but I don't know about this in practice. Men aren't normally going to get sex OR relationships if they're not approaching and being chosen by women. Women can expect both sex and relationships while being passive. You m…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 09:49 PM
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Incels are afraid of women and have constructed this elaborate fantasy world to nurse their fear and justify why they will never approach women (this extends to TRP too) This is true. The issue is, though, that it's almost an entirely male problem, so it's ignored/ridiculed by most of society, which is where all the bitter rage and elaborate constructions come from. An insecure, shy, anxious female isn't necessarily going to be short on romantic sexual attention, but an insecure, shy, anxious ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 02:26 PM
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I hate to put it on one gender, but if we're being totally honest, that's mostly women. Men are assumed to be, and often self-identify as, shallow idiots by default, often to the extreme. Women are seen as having somehow "purer" tastes and usually actively perpetuate that flattering myth.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 01:56 PM
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Exact same here. Thinking it's a fear of real intimacy. For me, roots in poor self-esteem and self-loathing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 09:58 PM
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Everyone who loves also loses. Relationships always end no matter what, with either breaking up or one of you dying. In that case loving/being loved>never loving.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 01:35 PM
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If I'm being honest. Nothing. This is where I hit the wall. I'm pretty decent at flirting, escalating, exuding that cocky/funny atmosphere. Up until the point where sealing the deal is imminent. Then I drop off the face of the Earth because fundamentally even I don't buy what I'm selling and I don't want to stick around for the inevitable disappointment.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 01:01 PM
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It's just that when trpers get with women who are assholes, it always seems to be a case of AWALT rather than the guy making idiot choices. Which ties in with what the OP is saying. No accountability for men. All accountability for women. AWALT sounds like the opposite of "no accountability for men" when looked at from the audience's perspective though. It's like "all guns are loaded." Men are ALWAYS held accountable because he should know better. AWALT so that's always on the man if he doesn't …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 01:29 PM
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My money is on this: being dominant can take some guts. It takes some guts precisely because it's a big risk and there's a uncomfortably large chance that you can read it wrong and hurt someone. I mean, you're calling guys clueless about something that has layers upon layers of nuance and is different for every single woman. Oh, and if you get it wrong you can go to jail.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 11:24 PM
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Women in relationships, married women, and women who aren't looking to attract men will still attempt to look like the Kardashians. That female-female competition is real. Also, I don't think women even notice 80% of men in the first place so being influenced in any way by the vast majority of men isn't happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 11:36 AM
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My standards are high. I expect a man to have a good job, treat me with love and respect, love me, share my religious beliefs, save sex for marriage, avoid alcohol and smoking and drugs, responsible, share equally in the housework if we both work full time, have no major mental illnesses, and to share my religious beliefs. I don't think these are too too high (with the possible exception of no premarital sex, drugs or alcohol) Maybe a bit overly specific. The real problem is you've left out any …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 05:18 AM
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I'd say bring it up in a casual, tactful way and so at least you can make it explicit. Don't necessarily steer the conversation towards dating but look for a peg to hang the fact that you'd rather be single. Doesn't even have to get too in-depth or personal. "Yeah, my ex never liked/loved snowboarding, but he was an asshat anyway and put me off dating for the forseeable future. So now I'm just enjoying life with my hobbies, my friends, and my pups." Then, you get to gauge his reactions/responses…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 05:03 PM
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Women shouldn't approach men because if you have to approach a man, he doesn't like you much. Even if a guy is shy, he would find the guts to approach you if he thought you were worth it. No. There are guys that won't approach anyone. Or only have a few in the tank before they give up. Or just don't notice you at all because you're standing in the corner feeling sorry for yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 05:00 PM
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There are no rules. No requirements. It means precisely what's stated. There is nothing you can do that entitles you to an "exchange for sex". Nothing guarantees sex, sure. But there are definitely factors that increase one's chances. People have no problems detailing the factors that work on men, but everyone gets all squirrelly when trying to figure out what works on women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 04:32 AM
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A better way to say this. Life isn't fair. You can do everything "right" and not get sex. You can do everything "wrong" and still get sex. And there's nothing you can really do about that. Calling it "entitlement" is a sneaky way of deflecting the moral blame onto the shoulders of the person who is pointing out the unfairness of it all rather than facing the hard reality that the SMP is amoral and it, along with the actors that operate in it, often doesn't square with our usual sense of a just w…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 04:02 AM
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I don't think most people are putting nearly as much effort into getting laid as you think. The pillosphere is an echo chamber. Most people are probably hooking up without thinking about it too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 03:40 AM
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Whoops
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/18 11:58 AM
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because necessarily being 'less of a man' means being 'more like a woman' and being a woman is inherently lesser and bad I know this is the usual conclusion drawn, but I'd like to offer an alternative interpretation, which doesn't automatically assume disdain for women for no logical reason. I think it's more the intersection of a few factors. First, biological utility. Cis men can never be women and cis women can never be men just because the hardware isn't there. So there is no continuum of le…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/18 06:32 AM
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This. BPD gets thrown around a lot and has become a kind of "safe" nonspecific way to suggest mental health issues (as opposed to, say, schizophrenia.) Not to gatekeep, but as someone who was in a serious LTR with a severely bipolar woman, I assume the extreme whenever all these models and celebrities claim to have BPD. Like breaking all the mirrors in the house and then crying in the corner for three hours. Or shaving your head in a fit of laughter, fleeing across the country and waking up daze…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/18 04:34 PM
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Male sexuality is allowed and celebrated in most cultures, I'mma stop you right there. We are seen as animalistic predators for the most part who are slaves to our own libidos. This is what feminists call "the male gaze" - we are taught to experience our sexuality in terms of being an object to male pleasure instead of an active participant in an experience. A lot of women (the majority afaict) actually like to be persued and dominated and they want the guy to "just get it" without having to ver…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/18 09:05 AM
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It's tricky as a black guy. White girls will fetishize you and want you to do the whole hyper dominant alpha thug BBC bit. On one hand it's nice to get all that extra attention but... to watch the attraction evaporate once I'm honest about the fact that 1.) My dick is quite average 2.) I'm docile and beta nerdy af and 3.) I'd actually appreciate being held down and fucked for once instead of having to pretend I'm fresh out of prison everytime I want to get laid. 😐
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/18 02:59 PM
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How is eating pussy gay? If This is a legit reason men hold out on pleasuring women you guys are really even more selfish, narcissistic, and entitled when it comes to sex than I thought. Who gives a fuck if women enjoy sex with you right, you just don’t want to look weak? Fucking rape culture at work. Yeah, you got the gist of it. It's not about being gay in that particular instance, it's about being masculine and part of that definition is apparently sexual dominance of women. Back in the day (…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/18 02:35 PM
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I'm black. Also love eating me some pussy and I'm not ashamed to say it. Definitely got clowned for it though. I'm subby in general though so idgaf.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/18 02:25 PM
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That's an angle that I hadn't thought of. I wonder if any other women have that kind of mechanical perspective. I will concede that the maybe that's a small part of pegging aversion. Still though, I have to reiterate. I don't think you quite realize the magnitude of the homophobia, Jams (which is a bit surprising for someone out of the black community tbh.) Dudes aren't "afraid" of anything sexually in a physical sense. Doesn't matter had sex. It's the status and the masculinity that matters. It…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/18 08:46 AM
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To be fair, your CMV is a bit of a strawman in the first place since none of the groups you referenced are a monolith and I don't think anyone in PPD is arguing that men, women, feminists, or MRAs in aggregate are sitting around board rooms literally plotting the destruction of the other gender. What does get argued and what does happen as you just admitted is as close to a grand conspiracy that you're going to get, in that there is a group (feminists) that polices/judges the other gender and ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/18 07:27 AM
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Men have a harsher social penalty for being sexually fluid. If you are outside of strict heteronormativity in the slightest your masculinity will be discredited by both men and women, and most guys are terrified of this. So for all intents and purposes, there is no "a little bit gay." You either are or you aren't. Bisexual men are, pretty much, seen as gay men who still dabble in pussy. Femininity isn't as strictly defined and so not really under threat until they start to move into Butch/transm…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/18 05:25 AM
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Let's be honest though. If I go to any public space (say, Reddit frontpage) and announce that I met a sexist today, which gender will people assume for the sexist? Which gender am I going to have an easier time calling out? You know the answer. Why do you think that is?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/18 05:00 AM
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...Or you know, a slightly less evil metaphor, such as marketing a product well so that people are willing to give it a try.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/18 10:56 PM
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Also, an extention of this- an average woman might have society treat her a little more softer than a man, but an average man is afforded more freedoms. This is vague. Which freedoms do men have that aren't offset by some responsibility and/or counter freedom that is exclusive to women?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/18 08:56 AM
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I think it's more that the looks threshold is much lower than everyone suggests but it still is a threshold. As long as a guy isn't deformed he should be okay, and working on your appearance from there boosts you above a lot of guys who don't even try. At the same time, you can't substitute personality for looks unless you are very charming. If you're always looking like a total schlub, all the personality in the world won't help you, and wearing well fitting clothes and grooming yourself is a h…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/18 11:26 PM
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"Looks aren't everything" doesn't mean "looks don't matter" though. You have to have an exceptional personality to override a looks deficit, and even then, there's still a looks threshold. It's just more efficient to tell guys to go to the gym instead of trying to get people to rewrite their entire personalities.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/18 08:32 PM
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People with ASD are precisely the kind of people that benefit from abstract theoretical frameworks and explicit instruction (this is why Red Pill ideas are so attractive to people on the spectrum.. they're presented in a systematic, deductive fashion), not tacit/observational/pick-up-on-subtle-cues/just-get-it-by-osmosis/trial-and-error learning. I'm not on the spectrum (I think) but this is exactly how I do social interaction. It helps a ton to have a literal checklist/flowchart when you experi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/18 07:56 PM
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Because they don't have to be attracted to or even like the guy. They just want the promotion and the boss just wants a wet hole. This is how prostitution works.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 09:05 PM
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There absolutely is a threshold of physical attractiveness, though, and there is absolutely a societal narrative which lowballs that threshold for men and highballs it for women. It's all marketplace dynamics, really. People are shallow and looks are the first and most shallow part of the whole equation for everyone, but men cannot count on being able to hold out for more than just looks. Women are valuable and can afford to assume attractiveness as a bare minimum and then choose from there.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 01:00 PM
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Because men seem to think in terms of generalities while women assume that generalities are "known" and focus on the little nuances. Said another way, women are pickier. You can ask 1000 men what they find attractive and you'd come up with a way to appeal to all of them. Ask 1000 women and you'd probably never get a real consensus.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 07:57 AM
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I have really low self-esteem. This manifests in how, while I crave validation from women, I almost never approach and, even if I do, I'm never able to "seal the deal" sexually or romantically because of a deep seated belief that I'm fundamentally not good enough and any "game" I have is essentially false advertising. I do nothing to fix this. Having poor self-esteem in the first place really isn't my fault. Not fixing it is. I think my lack of trying to fix it simply comes from not really knowi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/18 04:10 AM
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Normally I think you're crazy, Jams, but I'm on your side with this one. I'm having a really hard time understanding what's so controversial about deciding that you don't like something and not trying it again.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/18 12:47 AM
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It's a reward in the same sense that getting a job is a reward. Self-esteem boost from knowing that you've presented yourself well and are desirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/18 11:39 PM
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I'm the "not always." Didn't really desire my last SO at first but grew to love her. Still do even though it's never going to work, actually. Also, I'm like a moth to a flame when a woman wants me. Just realizing that I'm desired pretty instantly raises my attraction to someone by several points.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/18 12:00 AM
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Which is why, given the choice between an alpha or a beta, most women seem to go for the alpha. Seems easier to get an alpha to relax than to get a beta to grow a pair.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/18 05:41 AM
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The pants
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/18 05:09 AM
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No pill, 31 1 3,1,1 2 2
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/18 04:11 AM
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Seconded
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/18 04:19 PM
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Men also take longer to emotionally attach (hence the stereotype of a woman getting clingy after a 1st date or ONS) so its easier for them to move on to the next one. Even with my female friends, they would obsessively crush on one particular person. Honestly, I think men usually attach much faster and harder than women do and because of this we go down hard with our first heartbreak. You're not seeing aloof men who are "wired" against attachment. You're seeing men who got hurt really bad and le…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/18 04:17 PM
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I think this is just more about hot people being able to get away with shit less hot people couldn't necessarily. Indeed. People are shallow. But if we're being honest, there's definitely a gendered difference. Men are just shallow. Women are shallow and hypocritical. And there's a widely accepted notion that women are less shallow than men are. People are aggressively honest about the fact that men are shallow. "Men only want one thing. And it's disgusting." Men will callously admit to this. Wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/18 07:28 AM
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So I agree with you that most men are fine but I think there is a very large minority that are not. I think RP's target demographic is a lot larger than most people realize. You've got four different kinds of men: naturals, guys that learn on their own, guys who just get lucky, and the guys who never get lucky. The naturals are the only ones that don't "need" RP. 3/4 would benefit from RP strategy. The unluckies are the visible RPrs. The self-taught basically use RP in all but the label but refu…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/18 06:30 AM
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They look up to people they can relate to, and definitely receive vicarious validation from the accomplishments of other men. We absolutely do not. That's the other side of being seen as the "default." It's the difference between proving what you're capable of vs. knowing what you're expected of. I'm a black man so I can try to explain how this works for me. The election of Barack Obama was an extremely validating moment for me, because someone who looked like me (since most Americans don't) who…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/18 06:17 AM
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But your bolded part is exactly what I was talking about in terms of "women's lived experiences" - we're not fucking guys to reward them. Rewarding them is the exact last thing on our mines. I don't understand what you're arguing here. Women, in general, respond positively to certain behaviors in men. Those behaviors are attractive. So if a man wants to be attractive to women he should exhibit those attractive behaviors. It's classic positive reinforcement. Maybe "rewarding" isn't the right word…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/18 05:38 AM
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Because what helps men succeed in the dating market is politically incorrect and reveals a lot of uncomfortable truths about the SMP/RMP. So it's not really that know one "knows" how to help men. It's that no one knows how to help men in a way that's socially acceptable and doesn't offend anybody.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/18 06:34 AM
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You're absolutely right, but that is a different issue than what I understand was originally being talked about, namely, the theory that women will not be honest about sexual history because it's embarrassing/gross and destroys the romantic veneer. You seem to have tangented from that to just someone letting themselves go and not putting in any effort into the relationship. Being honest about your embarrassing sexual experiences is not the same as letting yourself go because those things are nat…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/18 10:58 PM
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How is he inconsistent because you forgot he has bodily functions like every other human being? Absolutely everyone finds out things about thier partner that they don't exactly like after they've been together even a short time. It's called getting to know someone. I guarantee that despite how consistently you think you're "maintaining that sexy veneer" there's something that every single one of your partners eventually discovered about you, that they were not aware of when you started dating, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/18 01:06 PM
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If the romance died just because he farted or you found a shit stain then it really wasn't that strong of a relationship to begin with tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/18 12:06 PM
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Which is exactly why men have trouble understanding what women want. Because it's always very nuanced and always very conditional and changes wildly from woman to woman. Blue Pill has it right here. Be yourself. Because you will never, ever figure out how to change yourself to appeal to a woman because it's complicated and your best bet is to just fish around until you find someone compatible.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/18 12:15 PM
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Gender: Male. Short Answer: Because one man can impregnate many women, so men have always been the disposable gender, for all intents and purposes. Nothing is done about it because everyone believes in patriarchy. Longer Answer: The reason why nothing is done to correct this is because of an Apex Fallacy whereby men, as a group, are seen as hegemonic overlords (and thus not needing any help on an individual level) because out of the most powerful, successful, wealthiest, and most self-actualized…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/18 11:36 PM
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Agreed. I think you can extend this to manosphere in general. The most bitter guys are the ones who loved/worshipped women the most but got burned. Which is very sad. :-(
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/18 06:47 PM
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I'm having a bit of trouble articulating this because I feel like we're beginning to split hairs here. As someone who has dealt with some depression and suicidal ideation, those feelings didn't, in my mind, come out of thin air, which is what it sounds like when someone defaulted to suggesting therapy. There were reasons for my mental state and one of the more frustrating things was when I felt someone would dismiss whatever situation as more or less trivial and tell me it was all about my thoug…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/18 05:57 AM
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I don't think those girls are crazy and should just shrug it off, and I don't think incels are/should either. I'm not saying, "pull yourself up by your bootstraps", I'm saying, "you have a legitimate problem that goes deeper than your weight/being a virgin, and you should seek help to address the underlying issues that doesn't come from crabs in a bucket." This is exactly the problem though. By appealing to mental illness we ARE essentially "shrugging off" the superficial problems as being all i…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/18 07:22 AM
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That's straight up "you need therapy, not a girlfriend" stuff. I would advise any person to stay the hell away from people who think like that, because they are in no way equipped to have a healthy relationship. That's a lot of baggage to unpack. I think the problem is that society creates these men. It's not like people are just crazy and we should just shrug it. There's a definite pattern where men of a certain personality type (or a set of personalities) just can't deal without help. As of no…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/18 12:23 AM
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That was in 2005 for me. It used to be very common, but I hear it's something that has started to fall out of use more recently.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/18 10:46 PM
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The very first experience I had as a college student, during my freshman orientation on the very first activity of the day. "Ladies, look to your left. Look to your right. One of those men WILL rape you."
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/18 09:50 PM
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like...consciously walk around making >: | face? Or are you talking about grooming your brows? I have the natural <: | brows.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/18 08:20 PM
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OTOH as a man I get women telling me I should smile more often than I imagine is common. I don't know what to make of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/18 01:44 AM
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Jeez. That kind of racism seems just jarringly brazen to my eyes on this sub. Wow.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/18 05:03 AM
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I think you mean internalized misandry.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/18 04:37 AM
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Be seriously careful with edibles. That shit doesn't kick in as quick (and it's most of the time it's literally candy or sweets) so it's really easy to have too much and then feel like you're dying when they all kick in at once.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/18 04:29 AM
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Maybe it's a matter of what you focus on when you're growing up. I didn't focus on girls and what they wanted. I focused on what other guys were doing. I wanted to be the best in the team, the fastest, the strongest etc Agree. Of course not everyone is motivated by the same things like you were/are since people are different. And as an aside, that's what's fucked about the whole thing. You, who admittedly couldn't care less about girls growing up have apparently had no trouble with women. But th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/18 06:25 AM
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Sure at first he was a beast but she didn’t start allowing herself to fall in love until she learned about the curse and that he was once a handsome prince. Again, from the female perspective she knew the end result was a handsome prince. AKA a hot rich high status man. IIRC she never actually knew he was going to turn back into a human ever and she only started falling in love once the Beast stopped acting like an immature asshole.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/18 06:43 AM
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A more apt analogy would be: "most women don't develop eating disorders, therefore the ones who do are abnormal and it's more useful to work out what factors contribute to this abnormal development than it would be to assume the average woman has an eating disorder." I can agree with this somewhat. But this is not the same as There is no excuse for being blind when reality is right before your eyes. If you choose to listen to the comforting lies of your parents instead of looking at what's right…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/18 01:45 PM
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Most guys are able to pick it up just fine. Following this logic: Most women don't develop an eating disorder due to body image issues. Fuck the ones that do because most women end up okay. What is it that's wrong with helping men who are struggling? Even when they're still idiot teenagers, those boys are not restricting their understanding of these things to what their parents tell them. What's the difference if they're still wrong though? I can see what you're saying if someone is naturally go…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/18 01:00 PM
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You have agency as an adult. It is your responsibility now. You're absolutely right about that. But that doesn't invalidate the fact that there's a problem with how we're teaching boys. It's like teaching a kid incorrect math and then acting like what you taught him has nothing to do with why he keeps getting the wrong answer. Lol have you heard teenagers talk about sex? Usually it's incorrect bullshit IME. Not sure what your point is here.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/18 12:34 PM
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Do you think your experience is the norm though? You said yourself you were raised by your mother and sister with no father figure. Given how many guys flock to the manosphere I'd say that his experience or something like it is certainly too common to just handwave like that. Definitely not the majority of guys but a sizeable minority. I've said before: sexual issues are the male analog to women's body issues, except men get no support and are usually just blamed for the problems, so it's no won…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/18 10:59 AM
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Their friends? And just observing reality by themselves and watching how things actually happen rather than listening to what their parents tell them? Because what kind of sperg actually listens to the people that love and raised him, am I right? Sure they do. Literally all anyone talked about when I was a teenager was banging girls. And they didn't exactly speak about dating in the same way my mum did, far from it. Assuming that you have any friends that have any better ideas about women than y…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/18 10:52 AM
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Better status could simply mean just making more money than you did in HS. I mean, that happens to almost everybody to some degree but women's sexual status isn't measured by thier income.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/18 10:44 AM
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What really matters is that men increase in status as they get older though which makes them more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/18 01:33 PM
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Although how negative is this at this point exactly? I mean we've been calling men dogs for centuries for daring to want pretty women, and filtered through that, timidly suggesting that maybe sometimes women prefer tall men a little bit, is barely even noticeable. And then you still get contrarian women piping up about how they're dating some dude who's 5'9, still taller than me but shorter than "most" guys. If we're being honest, we never really have the collective nuts to hold women to task ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/18 10:03 PM
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About inceldom, I'm not sure how it is more common among men than women since it takes two people to have sex. Because a few successful men will have sex with several women. Or said another way, the majority of women will "share" a minority of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/18 04:36 AM
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Oh. So in other words, she went against her own judgement and it turned out okay... That's kind of a big wrench in this theory. How many women (or people in general) are going to go for someone they aren't really attracted to on thier own? Looks like men are still going to need an "in" for most cases...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/18 01:08 AM
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The host, Marni, said that she knew a lady who met a guy and didn’t find him attractive at first, but after 8 dates she found him the sexiest man alive... The follow up question here is, of course, why did she go on any dates with a guy she wasn't attracted to physically in the first place. There had to be something else that was attractive about him.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/18 09:12 PM
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Are you kidding? This describes most of the women I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/18 05:18 PM
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I can already tell from your confidence that I'd be one of your plates if I were a girl. You handsome bastard.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/18 04:14 PM
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Depends. Pixie girls are yummy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/18 04:12 PM
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I had no idea what I was getting into. Sometimes those are the best times. I thought Madoka was going to be cutesy and maybe a little more realistic than your typical magical girl. I was delightfully wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/18 04:02 PM
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Yus. I've heard so many good things about these two! Especially Your Lie in April. I think I'll pick them both up at once, because I don't know if I can handle all the feels from YLiA without some silliness to counter. :D
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/18 03:51 PM
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Plus if you wear guy makeup propperly nobody even knows so how can they judge you for it? Oh girls will know lol. Which begs the question...if you see a hot guy, but then realize he's wearing makeup, what's your reaction? Don't care? Impressed? Think he's probably gay?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/18 03:44 PM
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I'll give you the dress shoes. But combat boots? Nah girls with a good pair of Martens are the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/18 03:39 PM
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I was in the middle of Goblin but got distracted/bored when the pacing got a little wonky lol. Thinking Heirs next because I need more chaebols in my life. Then maybe Cheese in the Trap. I haven't watched a good slice of life anime in a while. I'm a sucker for Seinen with a romance (sub)plot. Any suggestions?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/18 03:32 PM
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About the only thing I have in common with your average woman personality wise is a thing for dark chocolate, slice-of-life anime, and rom coms when I'm in the right mood. ...wanna hang out? I've got some 85% and a backlog of K-Dramas. :D
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/18 03:23 PM
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Thing is that in middle class America it's not increasing your smv. It's required to keep it. This is very true. I've seen it happen that when a woman is not wearing her regular makeup and a cute outfit people will think she's sick. While male Insta/YouTube models wear makeup, this is still far from being widely socially acceptable AFAIK. And even so, my point is that the things that make guys attractive tend to be harder to really work on in a superficial way. It's much harder for an unattracti…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/18 03:13 PM
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Men have better shoes Women have heels and boots but regular shoes goes to men Women get no colorways Nah bro you're just factually wrong 😆. The sheer variety of women's footwear blows it out of the water. 'Sides, women can and do rock men's shoes while still looking cute af
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/18 02:27 PM
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To be honest, I'm a bit envious of that (crazy I know) because it's a tried-and-true way to work directly on your SMV. Guys really don't have much in the way of directly enhancing thier SMV in a socially acceptable way. You've pretty much either "got it" or you don't
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/18 02:11 PM
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You have to shove all that away/decline the offers just so you can prove yourself without assistance. And even then, most will assume you did in fact make use of the offers and that's how you achieved X, Y, Z not through your own labors. On the other hand, men would be expected to perform by default and dragged through the mud if they fail. So it's like, would you rather be underestimated or underappreciated? Pick your poison.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/18 01:45 PM
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Yeah, thanks for reminding me. I meant to write this in the OP. Life is probably "harder" for me as a guy but! I had to overckme those difficulties and have definitely grown as a person. Which is nothing to sniff at.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/18 12:52 PM
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My argument is that a good looking sexist will get laid less often than a good looking good guy, and that an ugly sexist will get laid less often than an ugly good guy. IME Hot Good Guy>Hot Sexist>Ugly Sexist>Ugly Good Guy. To dovetail with OP, I think there's two things going on here: First men are led to believe (and women like to suggest) that women are not shallow and that not being a sexist asshole should be preferable to good looks. But in reality, many women would sooner tolerate a mysogi…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/18 06:05 AM
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It sounds to me like I understood you well. I'm saying that you're wrong. AMANLT. There are, in fact, men that are looking for a LTR because they genuinely want to be in love, commit to someone, build a family and all the rest of it. Just like women. Guys like that really exist...a lot of them, actually. They tend to be invisible/ignored by women in favor of the kind of guys that are just looking for sex, at least until she's ready to settle. I don't mean to get personal, but what happened to yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/18 04:37 PM
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If we don’t teach them the realities of the SMP they inevitably find out the hard way. When they find out the hard way they become angry, jaded, and cynical. Some act out in adverse ways, while others reach acceptance. I think the second piece is just as important. We need to provide failing men with a socially acceptable means of coping/catching up. We treat women much better in this regard. We don't mislead women about what makes them attractive, and if they somehow still fail, we provide them…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/18 09:36 AM
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I think you two are talking past each other. There are plenty of men who are romantic and looking for a LTR. They definitely do not see women (especially the one they fancy right now) as just another hole. Problem is, women tend to not be attracted to these guys. On the other hand the guys that are visible/attractive to women tend to be the ones more likely to see most women as just another hole.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/18 09:07 AM
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Exactly. Like I said, society isn't honest about what's attractive to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/18 12:27 PM
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Yet the absolute majority of women getting married every year are unattractive. Says you. Citation needed. Just because men prefer an attractive women doesn't mean they're going to get one. Pussy is valuable and cock is worthless so most guys are going to have to settle on the looks. This doesn't invalidate the fact that they would still go for a hot woman if they could manage it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/18 12:26 PM
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No. Society is extremely honest and vocal about the fact that men like physically attractive women. The nice guys thing comes from how dishonest society is about the fact that women like physically attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/18 05:41 AM
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If someone wants to learn how to scale a mountain, don't train them just to conquer one rock. I'm going to counter that with a quote from Will Smith. You don't set out to build a wall. You don't say 'I'm going to build the biggest, baddest, greatest wall that's ever been built.' You don't start there. You say, 'I'm going to lay this brick as perfectly as a brick can be laid. You do that every single day. And soon you have a wall. People need low hanging fruit, because frankly, it's more realisti…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/18 05:20 AM
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I think it's instead that Blue Pill males are Nice Guys that got what they wanted. I think a lot of men just kind of lucked out but don't realize it. Chads are the guys that are valuable enough to jngaf. It's like how the 2008 recession opened up a lot of people's minds about how easy it is to struggle with poverty, when otherwise they had thought of it as basically a kind of character flaw.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/18 01:38 AM
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...This is just alien to me. You seem to be hanging around some real low quality dudes if you're getting lambasted for having a job. What I have seen is black women Working very hard for a decent career, getting a kind of chip on her shoulder about it, and then acting like any dude who isn't pulling in 6 figures is beneath her. Then again a lot of women are working two jobs to support a completely trifiling man. To bring it all back, I actually think you're right about the gynocentrism. If women…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/18 12:51 PM
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This is all more of a problem with structural racism across the board though e.g. Apparently most black men with any resources are drug dealers. And black women aren't developing their resources outside of men. If anything, the RP mindset of a MC HMV is simply a reaction to/taking advantage of an already broken environment. It's not right, but it's not the fault here.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/18 05:29 AM
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Aren't these things more of an indictment/backfiring of hypergamy and a failed AFAB strategy on the part of black women, as well as a unhelpful definition of value? As you say, women will throw themselves at a HVM who ends up leaving them a single mother. Why is it that the high value males in the black community are also the ones who are likely to mistreat women? Doesn't that really mean that women are just rewarding bad behavior?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/18 03:49 AM
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They're doing it for you, because they think you'll enjoy it and it will turn them on. It's also a covert contract, and they're hoping you'll do stuff for them So the root of the problem is that women are being dishonest and then crying foul about men not being mindreaders later. Here's what you're describing: Man asks woman what she likes in bed. Instead of telling the truth, woman tries to anticipate what the man will like (using porn as a reference) and goes with that. Man believes her. Woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/18 02:04 PM
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It used to be that men understood that women sometimes do things in bed that they, the women, don't particularly enjoy, because they value the man who does enjoy them and they want to make him happy. So the root of the problem is that women are being dishonest and then crying foul about men not being mindreaders later. Here's what you're describing: Man asks woman what she likes in bed. Instead of telling the truth, woman tries to anticipate what the man will like (using porn as a reference) and…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/18 01:45 PM
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Chiming in late but here's my 2c. There's two major problems, IMO. First, as a society we refuse to acknowledge that dating is sexist as fuck and because of this, while feminism is good for society at large, it is terribly ineffective in the dating world. As a corollary, we fail to admit that dating is heavily skewed in women's favor strategically, and as such it is ironically women who promote and perpetuate this sexism. To admit that, in this single instance, gender norms are reversed and it's…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 09:22 AM
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I'm actually kind of puzzled by /u/madscientistlove's proposed gender difference here because from my perspective, most men very much want to be desired by women too, and get turned on by it. Yeah, but most men have a hard time actually finding a woman that desires them as such. It's the same reason slut shaming is a thiing for women but not for men. Getting laid for a woman is so easy that the idea of paying for it is almost morally reprehensible.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 03:29 AM
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Agreed. I said the same thing about the Ansari story.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/18 12:43 PM
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They're not inherently mentally ill, it's just that people react differently to the pressures that society puts them under and it doesn't go well for everybody. Some women react to body shaming by developing eating disorders, some men react to sexual shaming by turning to the manosphere. The difference is that men cracking under that gendered pressure are usually given no validation or practical support in ways that may be more socially acceptable than TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/18 12:07 PM
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This is about where I am. IMO sexual issues are the male analogue to women's body issues except that no one really gives a shit whether or not a guy has a healthy relationship with sex. So meh. Nothing we can really do that wouldn't reverse 100 years of feminism and despite everything I still believe that women and men should be equals. For my part, I only hope to change the perception of men as evil, out of control predators instead to victims of a cruel system, but even that's kind of a pipe d…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 03:59 AM
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The problem is that this is also tied up with a sense of morality though. You feel as if you have to make a choice between being a good person and attracting women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/18 05:00 AM
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Yeah the "nice guys aren't really nice" thing is just cognitive dissonance and maybe a bit of projection. "Wouldn't make sense if he's actually nice and still not be able to get a date. Must be secretly evil. Just world fallacy in tact! Huzzah!"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/18 04:47 AM
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I guess my point is that there are already women that have no problem expressing themselves clearly, it's just that guys have to select for them. Be willing to walk away from the girls that just wait for you to perform like a monkey and pick the ones that are active participants and make it easy. It's like a first kiss. Don't just smash your face into hers. Lean in halfway. If she doesn't meet you halfway, no kiss. Maybe she wanted you to just "take her" but fuck that in this day and age. There'…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/18 05:53 AM
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We really ought to stop viewing the world through a female lens. Yes. Be attractive and go for it, only stop if she gives you a hard no. That's the advice we should be giving men. No. Be attractive go and go for it. Stop if you feel like you're driving the action 100% and she isn't contributing. And not because she might be uncomfortable but because you should be uncomfortable with some one who isn't enthusiastically and obviously into you. I understand that some women are shy or aren't forward …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/18 04:02 AM
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More like men feel like we must (and sometimes are actually required by women to) prey and push, if we ever want positive romantic/sexual interactions with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/18 07:10 AM
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It depends on your risk tolerance. Women seem to distribute on the middle of a bell curve. It's generally easier for a woman to be "okay" but harder for her to be exceptional in any way, positively or negatively. Men on the other hand are high risk high reward. We either succeed wildly or fail miserably and its harder for us to just coast along and do reasonably well. To that note, I think what underscores a lot of gendered debates is one group (women) being upset at not being able to reach thie…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/18 07:04 AM
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Am I the only one that just assumes that Rey learns quickly because she has an immense connection to the Force for a yet unexplained reason? Like okay the Jedi mind trick was a bit much but the idea that she doesn't need to train as much is (to me) just an obvious sign that she is just exceptionally strong with the Force. No big deal. Not a Mary-Sue.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/18 07:28 AM
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At 30 (almost 31) I'm still not used to looking to see if she's wearing a ring. At 22 your silent I'm-off-the market signal has no power lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 01:29 PM
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I.E. the catch-22 that having prior experience is a prerequisite to getting that same experience. A common complaint among recent graduates is that a lot of jobs targeted at them have "5 year experience" requirement which, because the requisite is so common, actually prevents people from being able to ever get that experience. Can't get the job because you don't have the experience, which means you never get enough experience to get the job and so on. Same with looking for guys that are good wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 07:23 AM
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Nothing is better, IMO, then hitting on a guy and letting that aggressive sexual tension build. This makes it sound like you've never been harshly rejected (which is totally possible since guys are the thirstier ones.) ** Edit ** also this may be true for aggressive women because of their inherent value as women. Being aggressive means you’ll get a higher percentage of people you are actually attracted to since you are self selecting. But for guys (and you could extend this to unconfident women …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 06:20 AM
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It sounds a lot like those "entry level" job postings that require 5 years of experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 03:56 AM
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So do women. It's just that men get preemptively shamed for it wholesale and so have nothing to lose by being honest whereas women are assumed to be "purer" and will probably lose face by being completely real about what gives them the tingles.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/18 03:45 AM
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Being attractive is pretty damn close to a magic formula FWIW
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 07:31 AM
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Exactly. Never heard it explained so well.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/17 09:54 PM
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IOI's are deliberately hard to read plausible deniability-maintaining bullshit though, which vary from woman to woman. That shit doesn't hold up when she decides to go after you for sexual assault or rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/17 08:02 PM
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Take into consideration that when an individual is having a fantasy, everything in the fantasy goes according to a certain formula and has other parts attached. It usually assumed in the "rape" fantasy that it is a male that they want. And this is the ultimately fucked up part of the way women think. There's no real way to "know" that she wants that from you unless she tells you (aka consent.) But if she consents, then that would screw up the fantasy. And the same types of doublethinking fantasi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/17 07:35 PM
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The thing about subs though is that there's actually a lot of control on that end. The sub really controls (via a safe word) what goes on during an scene and how far it's going to go. Especially if we're talking about a female sub that is inherently more valued and will dictate what she's into or not to a horde of potential play partners. When you think about it, the Dom is creating an experience/putting on a performance and is "serving" the sub in a way. The dom has a limited power but only wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/17 06:51 PM
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It's an overcorrection. Because society pushes the women are wonderful narrative, and because women will actively exploit this, the moment men finally find out the truth it feels like a total betrayal. We expect men to be kind of shitty, but when we find out that women are equally if not more shitty, and worse, that they have been complicit in pulling the wool over everyones eyes, that's like new level of shittiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/17 05:28 AM
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The crux of it is that you can't be afraid of the rejection. Incels/nice guys never get over this fear. The fact is, as a man you WILL be rejected. You WILL be laughed at. But you just have to take it in stride. BP/RP/PP is always talking about the appeal of confidence but it gets lost in translation as just kind of walling around with an assholish self-important swagger. If you strip away all the bullshit confidence is being fully aware that there's a good chance of failure, being okay with tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/17 06:20 AM
1

Creep = potential rapist
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/17 06:08 AM
4

Men definitely are more wide eyed idealistic about romance. Girls are socialized into romantic stuff immediately and grow out of the idealized, childish idea of love fairly quickly. Unless they're effectively sheltered, by the time they hit puberty, girls are getting attention from boys almost by default and will learn to wield romance as a tool (or weapon) and become skilled at playing the love game. Boys don't get any of the contextualization or practical experience with love and romance that …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/17 06:11 AM
3

I'm a nice guy. I can't help it. I don't like conflict. Not having that edge dries women up faster than the Sahara. So no relationships for me if I want to be true to myself I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/17 01:20 PM
3

From the field reports I've read on TRP, the impression I've gotten is that great for getting laid, but terrible for sustaining a long term relationship. You know what's also terrible for sustaining a LTR? Never getting into a LTR because you never get any romantic attention whatsoever. You know what keeps a lot of guys from getting into any romantic attention? Listening to mainstream/Blue Pill advice and platitudes. Red Pill can be problematic to say the least but a lot of guys really need it, …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/17 08:14 PM
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This is the answer. Most of attraction is probably cultural.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/17 07:41 PM
2

TL:DR Probably validation of the problem and resistance against the social norms that lead so many men to equate thier entire self worth with their ability to get laid. ....... Honestly, a lot of it is accepting that there actually is a problem, and then going from there. Let me give a counter example. In my view, sexual issues for men can be seen as kind of an analog to body issues for women. Lets look at how society handles body issues. First, people rightly see unrealistic/unhealthy body beha…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/17 02:08 PM
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Women enjoy ... sex as much as men do No, they fucking don't. This. Most people seem to ignore the vast difference between liking sex and liking sex on par with men. Do women (in general) like sex? Yes. Do women (in general) like sex as much as men (in general)? LOL No.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/17 10:27 AM
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