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Men seem to only start dressing better once they start getting serious money. You should consider why that is. Most women I know will run to the nearest sale on offer and spend a portion of their pay check on something they'll barely wear. Whenever I decide to buy clothes, it is a big purchase on something that I know I'll use for a while, like a suit. For every other event where I don't need a suit, I have very little reason to splash out.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/22 10:55 AM
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It probably happened mid-conversation and you didn't notice it. If you've ever talked to a man that was hitting all of the right buttons and saying the right things, I can almost guarantee you that he was using pick-up lines. They are just better hidden than what you'd expect a pick-up line to sound like.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 08:16 AM
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I see where you're going with this but there's an important layer you're missing. It is the fact that they are active on a forum with a large number of men and specifically men that criticize their behavior. Most regular women wouldn't even entertain the possibility of being in an environment like this one, even if that environment encourages their participation. These women all fall into a niche regardless of what they look like and so it is best to take what they say with a grain of salt when …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 08:01 AM
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That makes you one of few so far who'd notice that he was lying, for what that's worth.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 07:49 PM
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This is the most plausible reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 07:33 PM
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I know that women want to be entertained, that's why it rubs me the wrong way. If I'm not getting sex, it is a one-way street.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 06:19 PM
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That's what I'm mostly getting at here. That, had he not been blunt about his lifestyle, he'd create more options for himself as his physique alone doesn't equate to being a high-maintenance guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 06:17 PM
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To answer what you said earlier, I dont get the high maintenance criticism. His persona, based on what he has presented, doesn't allow a woman to be comfortable as a non-active person which is why they most of them are claiming that he is high-maintenance. That would be too obvious though. If they are pictures taken in group contexts I don't believe women would read too much into them. More likely than not, they would just see a man that women are comfortable having fun with. Another thing missi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 06:07 PM
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But she wouldn't be able to figure it out just off of his physique alone, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 05:59 PM
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What's missing from his profile is preselection. You know what, that would go a long way. I just realised that all of his photos were him having fun by himself yet he's participating in group activities. Had he been running with some hotties, snowboarding with some thotties or hiking with some mommies, he'd look like a guy that women can't get their hands off of.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 05:54 PM
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Therefore, had he written his bio differently, you would have no way of knowing his lifestyle, correct? Meaning his options would increase. I, myself, acknowledged that his profile was upfront, the entire point has been how would you gage his maintenance-level had he not just told you. This is where his body came in, had you happened to ask about his training and he told you that his body was low-maintenance, would you believe it?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 04:06 PM
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Here's the thing, my experience with women has not been that way whatsoever. Whenever women have been aware of my personal maintenance, they close up. When they are not aware, they open up. Either there is a significant number of women that are insecure in themselves or I have somehow approached all of the wrong women. In any case, downplaying myself has always resulted in the most success in regards to hook-ups. Though, I wouldn't know about dating as I've never tried but I can make the educate…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 04:00 PM
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I mean if a woman is just trying to sleep with you she isn’t going to care about your lifestyle at all. See, that's what is foreign to me. Maybe it's because I only approach women in person and so the dynamic is different but being honest about my efforts with women would make them close up. It didn't matter if they found me attractive a few seconds ago, having learned about the fact I place effort in myself to look the way that I do, they would put their guard back up.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 03:41 PM
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Well, what you've described is trying to date which isn't the same as a short-term fling.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 03:34 PM
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You do realise that this is a question for women? That means I asked you for your perspective, meaning that you can clear up whatever bizarre and alien thought process you believe I have imposed. Whatever though, if you're not answering the question then I haven't got much else to say here.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 03:32 PM
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You think? It is pretty easy to lie about your lifestyle to a stranger that you're just trying to fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 03:23 PM
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I've literally slept with hundreds of women. And? You could've slept with hundreds more. You excluded all of the women that clearly think a certain way about men that are invested in themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 03:20 PM
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Why aren't you answering the question? How would you know if your lifestyles matched if he didn't tell you? Would you be able to tell from his physique, had he not said a word? Additionally, would you be able to tell that the physique of the Olympic athlete required high-maintenance had you not known he was an Olympic athlete? If you can only dictate lifestyle from a man being upfront with you, then you cannot connect high maintenance and physique together, meaning that he could just lie and con…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 03:18 PM
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The attraction is irrelevant here, I just wanted to know whether women's perception of high-maintenance here was easily shaped.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 03:15 PM
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Answer the question. they just want a high T guy who works out three times a week and has a cute face Do you know what that looks like? Or would you be easily fooled by a man that told you his attractive and natural physique is effortless to him, even if it wasn't. That is all that I am asking.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 03:12 PM
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You're coming from the perspective of wanting a relationship. If a man wants short-term fun, the general conclusion so far is that lying about his efforts would be ideal. This wouldn't work for a serious relationship, I don't oppose that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 03:09 PM
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The lifestyle point is valid but the question remains, if you can't gage from his appearance how much effort he puts into his body, how could you determine his lifestyle?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 03:04 PM
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Then why did you reply.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 03:01 PM
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The answers you provide aren't relevant to you, they are relevant to men. I am asking you because the answers are dependant on your perspective. If you don't have an answer to give, then don't comment. There are women that answered the question without issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 03:00 PM
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I caught that but didn't want to address it because I wanted to see just how women would perceive his physique without linking it to his occupation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 02:57 PM
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You'd be one of few who'd be willing to assume that he trained regularly so far.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 02:49 PM
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How much time he actually spends in the gym isn't what is relevant, what I am looking for is how much time a woman would think he spends in the gym, if she'd believe whatever number he told her and if she'd think of him differently because of it. For example, the swimmer body that I linked is still "unimpressive" and "realistic" to a lot of women, although he is an Olympic athlete. The fact that he is actually a man that trains a lot is disconnected from his physique and so women have little rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 02:47 PM
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My assumption is that, like bumble guy, it presents me as a man who's expecting a lot from them, even if I'm not. It really shouldn't matter for a fling, but it did. Though, these were all in-person approaches. It could be that being honest about my efforts in-person is a lot more intense than over an app.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 02:39 PM
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These kinds of details don’t matter in flings. Nah, they do matter. As a guy, I used to be upfront about myself when women asked me questions because I thought that it was the attractive thing to do. It turned out that being honest, as a man who does a lot, made them close up and reconsider whether or not I was the guy that they actually wanted to take home, I missed a lot of opportunities because of this. You may be a no nonsense person but assuming that other women were the same didn't bode we…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 02:20 PM
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I should clarify that by short-term relationship I am referring to flings, not entering a serious relationship and not expecting it to last. I would never advise entering a serious relationship with lies.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 02:05 PM
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You still haven't answered the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 02:03 PM
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This is a great answer. It captures what I suspected but you've explained it better than I did. So it’s truly a pointless thing to lie about. This is the only part I'd disagree with. If the man lying is only looking for a short-term relationship, lying about it is more than ideal if it will increase his options.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 01:59 PM
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Take the swimmer that I linked in my post as an example. Would you be likely to believe him if he told you that he only trained a couple of hours a week? And, more importantly, would your perception of him change because of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 01:54 PM
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Makes sense, a point of reference does go a long way. However, another woman was willing to give a man the benefit of the doubt and assume that he has good genetics. She said, He's giving the impression of good genetics. Good genetics are thought more highly of, see halo effect. Would this cross your mind?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 01:51 PM
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I did suspect this. I tried to weed out the women who'd just comment to say that this doesn't apply them but it didn't really work. Most of them are on topic, at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 01:45 PM
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Bare in mind that a man can be disqualified for coming across as too much to handle, as we witnessed with bumble guy. So, that would be the point in lying about this, creating options. Though, it can be agreed upon that this is a short-term plan that will really only work for flings. The lying and incompatibility in lifestyle would indeed be a horrendous start to a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 01:42 PM
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So, you'd have no trouble believing whatever specifics he chose to tell you, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 01:38 PM
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As I've said to other women, this is not a man you're dating or man you've met before. This is a first-impression. The bumble guy was dismissed on a first-impression and dubbed as high-maintenance with his fitness and physique being the primary reason for that because he was upfront about it. He had no opportunity to even present any other side of him. Had he not been upfront about it, his body alone wouldn't have signified high-maintenance upkeep to women. Therefore, the women would lower their…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 01:35 PM
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Fair enough, you'd have a reference point to work with.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 01:15 PM
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Pretty easily because why would I assume someone was lying to me about that? It's weird. Well, that's the point. If women can't dictate a man's fitness efforts from his physique, then avoiding being viewed as a high-maintenance guy is as simple as lying to her about your efforts. It I saw that picture I'd guess a couple of hours a day 6 days a week and eats pretty clean. You're on the realistic side. You're still a few hours short but you would be aware that only a couple of hours a week would b…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 01:10 PM
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Based on the bumble guy post, a lot of you do seem to care when a man's physique is the result of high effort. The question is, could you even tell if a man lied to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 01:08 PM
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This is essentially "a man should be seen, not heard" and it is valid. What I'm bringing up is more so about downplaying your fitness lifestyle to remove any implication of being high-maintenance.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 12:54 PM
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I would not date someone that looked like they spent a lot of time at the gym. That is what is being asked here, could you tell? In reference to the swimmer that I linked in the post, if you had only recently met him and he had told you that his body was the result of low effort, would you believe him? Would you have a reason not to?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 12:24 PM
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He's an olympic athlete, its his job. I asked you if he is now considered high-maintenance. He wasn't high-maintenance under the assumption that his body was the result of low effort but is he high maintenance now that you've learned that his body is the result of a lot effort? That is the concept being discussed here. He could have lied to you, dropped your guard and you would have been none the wiser, is the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 12:18 PM
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Anyway, I think I’d be indifferent. Either you would you believe him or you wouldn't, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 12:15 PM
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I'll just c/p what I said to another comment. The context here is a first-impression. You've never met this man before, and so you don't know what his life is like but you know that he has a fit, athletic physique. If he then told you that his physique was the product of effortless training, would you believe him and would you think more of him because that? Your last sentence is true, people don't see the work. However, does that mean that you also believe what they claim it took to get there a…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 12:06 PM
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You didn't answer the question, at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 11:54 AM
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So, without knowing that he is an Olympic athlete, you would assume that his routine is fairly moderate based on his resulting physique and that adds to his attractiveness. This is what I'd expect. Now that you know that he is an Olympic athlete, does your opinion of him change at all? Is he now high-maintenance? Edit: More grammar mistakes.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 11:51 AM
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The context here is a first-impression. You've never met this man before, and so you don't know what his life is like but you know that he has a fit, athletic physique. If he then told you that his physique was the product of effortless training, would you believe him and would you think more of him because that?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 11:23 AM
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Crying is not a response to anger, a lot of things but not anger. It is also irrelevant if anger leads to punching a wall, it is still one emotion.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 08:28 AM
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Not on it's own. In fact, it is the result of a mix of emotions. Whereas anger is just one.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 08:19 AM
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The man has still expressed less emotion here.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 08:08 AM
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Well, women both get angry and cry. Men just get angry. Technically, that makes men less emotional.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 08:32 PM
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In mixed cultures like America, we generally observe that all races of women favour white men (with the exception of black women) and that all races of men are favour asian women (with the exception of asian men). Most people understand that asian-women are fetishized as an example of femininity but what I want to know is why white men are fetishized as an example of masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 08:24 PM
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I understand the point that you're making if you include everything he does. We just don't see eye to eye on the fitness part.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 08:17 PM
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What I am saying is that the men are the ones advocating for women staying within their range, not the women (speaking generally). Therefore, a man that is incredibly active and ambitious should be a man that women want, though that is not what we are witnessing here.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 08:15 PM
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This forum advocates women matching within their range. The men do. The women don't. That is why this circumstance is interesting, a man that is clearly the type of man that the women here always claim to want is getting no matches. If we are being honest with ourselves, the height probably has a lot more to do with it than people are willing to admit.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 08:11 PM
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So between fitness, travel, and school yeah I definitely feel he would be high maintenance. If you consider all of this stuff, then sure. Though, on fitness alone, I just don't see it. This could just be a gender difference in how we perceive his efforts. We can both acknowledge that he trains hard, but I wouldn't be intimidated by a woman like that whereas the same doesn't seem to be true for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 08:04 PM
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I'd assume that this comes down to a difference between men and women. As a man, training at his level is basically the standard that most men aim to reach and, when we get there, it isn't unfulfilling or exhausting to upkeep because we enjoy it. I'd expect a woman that is just as invested in her fitness to share the same opinion but I suppose not.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 08:00 PM
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but not to an extreme. This is what I'm intrigued by. None of what he does (based on what he showed) appears extreme to me as somebody who is also enthusiastic about fitness. In fact, as a fitness enthusiast, a woman who was this invested in fitness herself would be highly compatible with me. That is why I found it odd that an athlete would consider him high maintenance. Though, if he's not your type then I guess he's not your type. Edit: Spelling mistake.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 07:48 PM
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Huh, what kind of athlete judges other people on being "high maintenance" in regards to fitness, what are you an athlete for?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 07:36 PM
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It definitely seems that way, yeah. I just wonder where race is placed in the hierarchy of importance. Would a 5'6 white guy be more attractive than a 6'5 black guy? It would be interesting to see a study on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 07:30 PM
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What about me seems high maintenance? You are high-maintenance to women that haven't ever done an ounce of fitness in their life but don't care about catering to those women to begin with. They'll judge you that way due to their own insecurities.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 07:20 PM
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This is the only honest woman on the entirety of Reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 06:22 PM
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I agree. Racial preferences are very apparent in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 05:51 PM
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What, he's black? I don't understand what other trait you'd consider a negative aside from his skin colour.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 05:44 PM
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Bigging up conventionally unattractive women to watch them fall is pretty covered by both Hollywood and fantasy writers. What if the woman that fell was attractive? Still a no?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 04:26 PM
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He was flattering and romantic. Unrelated, do women still consider faux flattery and romance as flattering and romantic if they come to find out that it was a façade?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 03:49 PM
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I believe the logic is that a "spark" makes a guy more dangerous - the more invested they get, the more ability that guy has to hurt them, so they want commitment before investing too much. In the post that I am referring to, the "spark" was presented as an indication of sexual interest. Nothing more, nothing less. The very format of that discussion implies that women withhold sex from men who they do not feel an initial spark with. That discussion also revealed that a spark can develop overtime…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 11:26 AM
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I was reading back at a post on here regarding on whether or not women needed to feel a "spark" in order to be attracted to a man and a lot of the women here claimed that they did. Yet, their defense of choosing to separate men into a hookup group and a boyfriend group is that, "the relationship guy is still attractive but also has other qualities that we like so we value him for a relationship instead" whilst "the hookup guy is only good for sex". In which instance, where is the "spark" for the…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 10:24 AM
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OP knows that there's a difference but is still offended when he is referred to as one because a "nice guy" has been redefined to mean something else. If his attitude towards that phrase could be changed by the internet (and likely some other influences), who's to say that other men won't experience the same shift in attitude regarding what it means to be a "nice guy"? That's what he's asking.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 06:20 PM
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He understands that, what he is talking about is when a guy gets called nice but dislikes being called that because he connects the word to negative traits. He may even change his behaviour. This is the result of what a "nice guy" or a "good guy" has come to mean. Personally, I don't consider this to be a bad thing, being a "nice guy" or a "good guy" was never an advantage for a man to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 06:14 PM
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He understands that, what he is talking about is when a guy gets called nice but dislikes being called that because he connects the word to negative traits. He may even change his behaviour. This is the result of what a "nice guy" or a "good guy" has come to mean. Personally, I don't consider this to be a bad thing, being a "nice guy" or a "good guy" was never an advantage for a man to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 06:11 PM
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What is the difference between a man that actively engages in the red-pill community and a man who happens to live his life by the red-pill philosophy but doesn't involve himself with the community at all? I'm confused as to why you wouldn't consider these two men to be of the same group. Or are you just being pedantic.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 09:47 AM
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Just like OP, I can acknowledge the current state of the dating market for what it is. I'm just not a fan of when men are fed naive expectations as to how to navigate it. This does nothing but set a man up for failure.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 09:03 AM
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Again, my concern is just whether or not you were realistic with him. Maybe what you told him was common, maybe it wasn't. I don't need to know any details about your conversation nor would it change anything if I did know.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 08:54 AM
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My concern is that if you weren't realistic with him, you'll have fed him with an expectation that is unlikely to happen. Many women (and some men) are guilty of this because they'd rather be kind than realistic when giving dating advice to men. However, if the expectation that you've created and his reality do not align, that boy that you were kind to becomes a man that you lied to. More often than not, this is the type of man that'll turn to the red-pill or the black-pill for the answers that …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 08:35 AM
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I understand. Though, in regards to dating, most men will experience the same hardships regardless of what we're told. Even though that boy is young, I'd hope that you were realistic with what you said to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 08:10 AM
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Why would their age matter? If they are young, they'll age alongside the same women. If they're old(er), they would be a testament to my previous sentence.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 07:54 AM
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This. For the sake of the argument, let's say that those that are high-n aren't any less "valuable" than those that are low-n. This wouldn't do anything to change the fact that their behavior is still representative of character traits that many people will find unattractive, men and women alike.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 07:20 AM
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