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He hasn’t participated in AHS, then. Check his comment history. It’s literally public.
/r/AntiFeminists19/11/21 05:47 PM
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What does that have to do with this. Also.. where?
/r/AntiFeminists19/11/21 03:37 PM
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I agree. I don’t want them in my country, either. With peace and love.
/r/AntiFeminists19/11/21 10:46 AM
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No idea what that means.
/r/AntiFeminists19/11/21 10:46 AM
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I’ve been dedicating my time arguing with this troll. Stop dismissing this user as if they’re apart of the FDS. The things he says are prominent with red pillers, MGTOW’s, and incels. He is not a woman. He doesn’t even participate in this subreddit frequently.
/r/AntiFeminists19/11/21 09:46 AM
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The wall of text is demonstrated to address each one of your hateful vitriols you disseminate openly throughout this thread and many other communities. Your unfounded claims have been elucidated as nothing more than pseudo-intellectual rhetoric, and the absence of your ability to provide a counterargument corroborates this. The MGTOW community lays down a set of principles that are undoubted by their participants. That is the textbook definition of dogmatism. Perpetuating negative stigmatisation…
/r/AntiFeminists19/11/21 09:22 AM
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The comment you’re responding to my response claims that he’s from FDS. It’s ironic how you guys truly don’t believe that men think this way. Do you really believe that misogynists don’t exist? Also, the reason I told you to look at his comment history is because it’s very evident he’s not trolling and he delves deep into these views. He has discussions with other men and encourages others to read books that align with his beliefs.
/r/AntiFeminists19/11/21 07:31 AM
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Oh no! A feminist is against a hate-cult that views women as inferior and endorses misogyny, homophobia, and pedophilia! Whatever shall we do?!?!
/r/AntiFeminists19/11/21 07:29 AM
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I have very much doubts that your wife even exists and I wouldn’t find it difficult to believe that she’s simply a scapegoat for yourself and your own experiences, especially when you refer to your wife as stupid and whiny. The rest of your comment is entering incel-territory lmao. Go cry to your therapist or something lol. Why are you still coming here Ironic. The man on reddit who’s projecting his trauma with women onto half of the human population is telling others to seek therapy. You respon…
/r/AntiFeminists19/11/21 07:26 AM
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Literally no one is talking to you lmao. Go away.
/r/AntiFeminists19/11/21 02:54 AM
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Considering the way you talk about women, then yeah, it probably was your fault. Most men infantilise themselves and have 24/7 victim complexes, so it doesn’t surprise me.
/r/AntiFeminists18/11/21 10:58 AM
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Mudslimes aren’t exempt from cheating.
/r/AntiFeminists18/11/21 10:34 AM
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Look at his comment history. He’s not from FDS. Quit projecting your incompetence onto me.
/r/AntiFeminists18/11/21 09:29 AM
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I didn’t ask for your entire life story. If you’re told it so much, perhaps there’s an inclination of truth to it. Develop some self-awareness. Your weaponised ignorance is obnoxiously transparent. I’m not even going to bother humouring your amount of preconceived prejudice towards half of the human population with a statement as reductive as “Most women are completely and utterly useless these days” when you have men out here crying because they can no longer force women to have sex with them a…
/r/AntiFeminists18/11/21 07:56 AM
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I don’t understand why you guys always accuse these accounts of being undercover feminists or women as if men like this don’t exist in real life.. especially on reddit.
/r/AntiFeminists18/11/21 04:13 AM
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Wow, there’s really grown adults living in the 21st century who still think like this? I feel like I’m talking to a Northern conservative from the 1800s who has travelled in time, is trying to blend in, but can’t keep his biases hidden. I took a quick look at your comment history, and it’s espoused with extreme examples of misogyny, like “women are stupid and crazy”, “women are breeding stock for us to use”, “I’ll treat them like objects”, “men are superior”, and you even talk about women like t…
/r/AntiFeminists18/11/21 03:52 AM
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I bet women in Saudi Arabia are happier than women in the West. LOL. I just realised I’m talking to a surface-level idiot. Goodbye.
/r/AntiFeminists18/11/21 12:06 AM
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The fact they believe outsiders will look at our society and see it as degenerate says it all.
/r/AntiFeminists18/11/21 12:05 AM
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Smh, first world problems. White fragile insecure men are really complaining because they can no longer oppress women. The West is one of the most freely liberated and equal countries, and yet men want to complain about how women now have rights lmao. It truly is comical. But by all means. Go ahead and move to Saudi Arabia or North Korea where there is essentially zero equality and no feminists. I’m sure you’ll be very happy there.
/r/AntiFeminists17/11/21 05:29 PM
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Lol, I’m not.
/r/AntiFeminists17/11/21 04:48 PM
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It’s not an insult. It’s an observation. Proves the anti moose guys point.
/r/AntiFeminists17/11/21 12:41 PM
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Majority of women identify as feminist in the West. Majority of women also identify with feminist values. I don’t understand why you think they are a minority when they’re not.
/r/AntiFeminists17/11/21 09:31 AM
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participates in r/callofduty Lmao
/r/AntiFeminists17/11/21 09:31 AM
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It’s concerning that a man with a red user of a female avatar on reddit who propagates misogynistic stigmatisations has already reproduced. I feel sorry that your child (and wife) have to put up with your delusions.
/r/AntiFeminists17/11/21 09:27 AM
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Ah okay, so you’re just weaponising ignorance c then? Or perhaps you’re openly displaying your hypocrisy.
/r/AntiFeminists17/11/21 09:24 AM
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You sound quite young and naive, but yes, women do know how to screw a light bulb in. I don’t know what’s led you to think otherwise, but again, it’s like claiming women don’t know how to open a fucking door. It’s not rocket science. These are basic life skills. Now excuse me while I go on a rant about how men are incapable of leading civilisation without women because they don’t know how to microwave a tin of baked beans.
/r/AntiFeminists17/11/21 06:22 AM
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Jesus Christ, your comment history is concerning. Get rid of your bullshit stance and desire to oppress women.
/r/AntiFeminists17/11/21 04:10 AM
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No one is crying, here. Your statement is as vacuous as claiming that women don’t know how to turn a door handle. Your assumptions come from a place of prejudice, not rational thinking. I would reconsider your stance. There’s a difference between pursuing a career in construction and twisting a bulb into place. Insinuating that women are incapable of doing such is a misogynistic stereotype and asserts that women are incompetent at basic life skills. That’s the issue I have with your comment. I’m…
/r/AntiFeminists17/11/21 03:49 AM
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Women aren’t incapable of screwing a lightbulb in. You’ve quite literally just made that up. Sorry, but check your misogyny. It’s the equivalent of me claiming that men are incapable of childcare or teaching because I rarely see men in those careers.
/r/AntiFeminists17/11/21 02:58 AM
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Are you really saying that women are too incapable to screw a bulb in? I hope not, because what you’ve just said is extremely sexist, regardless of whether you’ve seen women in your family do it.
/r/AntiFeminists17/11/21 02:18 AM
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And? Do you think all women are feminists? Lmao
/r/AntiFeminists17/11/21 02:17 AM
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Interesting that you say that when you have a history participating in the men’s rights subreddit. Obviously you haven’t read the works of Paul Elam, Warren Farrell, and Pizzey.
/r/AntiFeminists17/11/21 02:17 AM
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Thought this was anti-feminists not anti-women
/r/AntiFeminists16/11/21 09:54 AM
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I think more men are preferring petite women now, so I’d have to disagree, especially based on the fact that most tall girls are insecure of their height.
/r/AntiFeminists15/11/21 01:32 PM
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Not really, because the standard in the modern world is tall men / short women. Short women aren’t the equivalent of fat slobs.
/r/AntiFeminists15/11/21 12:40 PM
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This is just female bashing.. nothing to do with feminism which violates the subs rules.. but okay.
/r/AntiFeminists15/11/21 12:30 PM
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Sorry for the late response. The data on which leadership positions men make up has already been posted in the thread we’re engaging in. The patriarchy is what keeps women out of leadership roles, not CEO’s. It’s an internalised bias.
/r/MensRights12/11/21 07:44 AM
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Sorry for the late response. A man introduced the bill, a man signed the bill into effect, and the 82 lawmakers who voted yes to the bill were all overwhelmingly men. During the process of enacting the Senate 8 Bill, there were 111 men and 35 women represented in Congress. The overwhelming majority of men (a total of 78) voted in favour of the Bill that proposes to take away women’s abortion rights, and the overwhelming majority of women (a total of 31) voted against the bill. If there were more…
/r/MensRights12/11/21 07:43 AM
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Gender roles are a construct of the patriarchy.
/r/MensRights09/11/21 12:38 AM
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They aren’t rights; they’re inequalities. Your innate bias is showing. Women being favoured in family court isn’t a right, it’s an internalised bias. Otherwise, the inequalities I highlight, such as men being favoured in the workplace, would also be a right that women lack. Men not being able to terminate their pregnancy isn’t a right, it’s due to the biological fact that a man cannot become pregnant. A man has the legal right to terminate his parental responsibilities through the family court. …
/r/MensRights09/11/21 12:37 AM
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I’m going to address a few of these points here and be on my way. Everyone has privilege due to their race, class, sexuality, and gender – sometimes even attractiveness, too. This is axiomatic, and most men’s rights activists will agree with this. I am a woman. I have the privilege to be taken more seriously by the police for reporting my experiences of abuse. I have the privilege of receiving a shorter sentencing for the same crime. I have the privilege of not being expected to be the breadwinn…
/r/MensRights08/11/21 11:41 PM
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Your lack of nuance here is perverse. Correcting someone’s false rhetoric doesn’t display a lack of compassion or care for male victims of abuse, neither am I trying to claim that “women have it worse” by pointing out that women and children are the primary demographics affected by severe domestic violence. Your observation is myopic to the argument I’m trying to convey – it's as vacuous as me claiming that men don’t care about female victims of abuse by diminishing their victimisation, advocati…
/r/MensRights08/11/21 11:00 PM
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There are a few misleading arguments presented throughout your post, which I’ll try my best to address below. I complain because feminists have all the power in the world right now, and use it to try to make men be women by dismantling conforming gender roles and say it’s good for us. Dismantling conforming gender roles is good for us, and the insinuation that feminists are trying to turn men into women is perhaps some projection of your innate bias and discomfort that accompanies the erosion of…
/r/MensRights08/11/21 07:59 AM
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Part four It doesn’t, but this campaigning is extremely rare outside of men’s rights subreddits. This is a poor attempt of moving the goal posts. I wouldn’t argue that feminists campaigning to raise awareness for male victims of sexual assault is rare, neither is it justified when you attempt to dismiss feminist’s efforts of male inclusivity of rape campaigns when feminists have gone to far greater lengths to achieve awareness for male victims of sexual assault than men’s rights activists have e…
/r/MensRights07/11/21 09:46 PM
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Part three The thing is, we have been making sacrifices for the sake of our movement. We have been protesting. We have been organizing events for advocacy. We have been trying to use November 19 as a venue of advocacy. All of these things have been shut down by feminists. So it’s natural that the movement is vehemently anti-feminist. You reap what you sow. I agree with a lot of what men’s rights activists advocate for, but the course of action in which men’s rights activists attempt to solve the…
/r/MensRights07/11/21 09:45 PM
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Part two Ah yes, concrete evidence that feminism is good, mrm bad. Ignoring that a fringe movement like the MRM is inconsequential to feminism, while feminism is an immediate threat to the progress of the MRM. Let’s be real, what can the MRM actually do to feminism? Call them names? There are plenty of examples of the men’s rights movement consisting of regressive and obstructive views, but to claim that the men’s rights movement has had no influence in political, academic, or media power is obj…
/r/MensRights07/11/21 09:43 PM
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Part one Once again, all your evidence of the MRM “impeding the progress” of feminism is a bunch of reddit posts. Did you read my full statement? Men’s rights activists have a documented history of brigading feminist organisations and legislatures introduced on the grounds of women’s rights. The amount of content displayed within the online activity of the men’s rights communities is only a small portion of the expedient of the men’s rights movement. It’s difficult not to point towards Reddit po…
/r/MensRights07/11/21 09:42 PM
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We’ve all learned the hard way that feminists are in complete control of the DV industry and that feminists lie constantly. Meninists are becoming so predictable that it’s almost embarrassing. At this point, you’re just a caricature. We may as well create a sketch out of you. Perhaps I’ll just point out the obvious again. I don’t even need to address your arguing points. You’re so repetitive that all I need to do is have a list of common responses. See below: Guys, you’ll notice that this is wha…
/r/MensRights07/11/21 03:22 PM
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Read the full context of our discussion before inserting yourself. My presumption from the beginning is that women and men both have legal rights, but face different inequalities. I asked him what rights women have that men don’t, and he provided a similar list to mine. Why don’t you criticise his?
/r/MensRights06/11/21 07:47 PM
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You’re not understanding the concept of a patriarchy or the deep-rooted effects of sociological consequences. The patriarchy is not a women versus men issue. It’s a societal system that everyone participates in. It may seem counterintuitive to realise, but women are just as likely to participate in patriarchal patterns as men are. Therefore, your argument that the idea of a patriarchy has been debunked because there are more female voters than men, is a representation of your misunderstanding of…
/r/MensRights06/11/21 07:38 PM
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Here is a list of inequalities women face in the West that feminism aims to dismantle. I’m the one that said women and men have equal rights, but different inequalities. Although I would say the right to ones bodily autonomy is one that both women and men lack (abortion and MGM).
/r/MensRights06/11/21 04:52 PM
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No, it’s not. It’s the patriarchies fault. Point proven.
/r/MensRights06/11/21 04:50 PM
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I don’t care whether you’re asking for support or not. My response is to your statement here: Well, if feminists are going to say “feminism is for men too,” why wouldn’t we demand support and advocation? Perhaps feminists wouldn’t be banning your content if it wasn’t a breeding ground for incels and misogynists. But, you know. Couldn’t be that. It’s not like men’s rights activists haven’t brigaded feminist organisations in the past.. oh wait, they have. I guess you both are destroying the integr…
/r/MensRights06/11/21 04:47 PM
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Can I ask how many candidates we’ve had within the past year that were female versus male? Your answer will provide you with some perspective on why women are voting for men.
/r/MensRights06/11/21 04:16 PM
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I linked a response provided by the Parliament of the United Kingdom of a petition where men’s rights activists, such as yourself, claim that women cannot be offenders under the eyes of the law. It is most suiting for the situational context provided, and accusing me of lying holds no sentiment to it when the law you cited supports everything that I’ve just said. I'm not reading or responding to the rest. You're a habitual liar, not debating in good faith, so further discussion with you won't be…
/r/MensRights06/11/21 04:14 PM
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Who has ‘debunked’ the 2-8% ‘myth’? The misleading research highlighted above with severe methodological limitations that include a sample size of only a hundred cases studies? I’ve outlined the inaccuracy of the data displayed in these studies above. The empirical data by many resources of the highest credibility consistently cite a figure between 2-10%. Below are a few summarised figures by some of the most consistent and credible resources with the highest factual integrity throughout the US:…
/r/MensRights06/11/21 04:07 PM
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92% is inconclusive.
/r/MensRights06/11/21 03:59 PM
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No one gives a fuck about your low-tier YouTube channel. Go write an angry diatribe to brigade the Australian parliament with or something.
/r/MensRights06/11/21 02:51 PM
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Oh, and here are the list of resources provided for male victims of domestic violence in Australia, since apparently to you they are non-existent. I wonder why DV shelters receive little funding for men, though? It couldn’t be because men rarely use them. List of Domestic Violence Resources for Men (Australia) https://www.whiteribbon.org.au/Find-Help/Help-Lines https://domesticviolence.com.au/getting-help/support-services-for-men/ https://www.1800respect.org.au/services/men%E2%80%99s-referral-se…
/r/MensRights06/11/21 02:48 PM
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Do you ever get tired of labelling anyone who doesn’t subscribe to your obnoxious beliefs as a feminist? Is National government statistics propaganda, now? Oh, wait. I forget we live in an anti-male matriarchy. Allow me to apologise for my naivety. Guys, you’ll notice that this is what meninists always do when confronted with statistics from some of the most consistent and credible resources on domestic violence figures with the highest factual integrity; they’ll label it as feminist propaganda …
/r/MensRights06/11/21 02:36 PM
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That’s because women are the victims of severe DV. You can see the statistics here, and you can also do your own research and you’ll see the funding is gender neutral.
/r/MensRights06/11/21 10:31 AM
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This has absolutely nothing to do with domestic violence. See my response here
/r/MensRights06/11/21 09:27 AM
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Women are actually killed at a rate 4 x that of men due to domestic and family violence, which are similar rates to our suicide statistics, yet majority of the funding for suicide awareness is used to tackle boys and men’s mental health. Is this subreddit going to campaign against our budget on suicide, too? Likely not – equality for me, but not for thee. Here are the real National statistics: Intimate partner violence is the greatest health risk factor for women in Australia. Domestic violence …
/r/MensRights06/11/21 09:19 AM
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How dare advocates for women’s rights criticise the ideology that opposes those rights and entrenches the disparity thereof. How very dare they. If only those women’s rights advocates would stop pointing out the ideology that works to undermine women’s rights, then the ideology that undermines women’s rights would stop undermining women’s rights.
/r/MensRights05/11/21 04:14 PM
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A patriarchy is a social system in which men hold primary power and predominate in roles of political leadership, moral authority, and social privilege. The patriarchy isn’t limited to hyper-successful men who contribute to the top 1% of wealth, it’s also prominent in multiple economic environments, including the traditional family household. Many modern feminists contend to the idea that the patriarchy societally affects both men and women negatively, and therefore should be dismantled through …
/r/MensRights05/11/21 03:48 PM
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Part two In the UK, where I am, the sexual offences 2003 defines rape as something the perpetrator does with "his penis". Stop lying. The Sexual Offences Act 2003 protects both men and women from serious sexual offending. The legal definition of rape is “non-consensual penetration”, which both women and men are capable of. You do not require a penis to forcibly penetrate someone. Source Feminist organisations Women’s Law Project and Feminist Majority Foundation successfully campaigned to broaden…
/r/MensRights05/11/21 02:18 PM
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Part one Nobody seriously claims that overt authority positions aren't populated by mostly men. For whom is that power exercised? Certainly not for men as a class, the disparity in legal rights is proof of that. Certainly not for women's detriment, by the same token. Then you are acknowledging the existence of a patriarchy, and if you genuinely believe that a patriarchal system benefits women more than men, you can see the opposing evidence of this demonstrated by the Senate 8 Bill in the US and…
/r/MensRights05/11/21 02:18 PM
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Your copy-pasta doesn’t address any of the issues. It relies on a vague misrepresentation of the core values of feminism and the issues it identifies and warps them to demonstrate the falsehood of male victimisation and anti-male hatred at the expense of women’s rights. I’m unsure why you’re under the belief that a patriarchy means that men are inclined to beat, rape, and violate women. This is not what a patriarchy is. A patriarchy is a system of ideals in which men hold primary power and predo…
/r/MensRights05/11/21 02:16 PM
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There’s no issue with that, but don’t complain that feminism criticises the men’s rights movement when they are both two sides of the same coin. Feminism has advocated for many issues to support men’s rights and achieve gender equality by dismantling conforming gender roles, regressive social structures, and discriminatory laws, including victims of sexual violence, inclusive rape laws, domestic violence shelters, presumed custody rights, paternity leave, and established gender discrimination la…
/r/MensRights05/11/21 02:14 PM
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For each of the examples you’ve given, have you considered the situation for women? The whataboutism here is pitiful. The point of my comment is to address issues that women face, since you’re adamant on insisting that feminism isn’t required in the West and women don’t face any discrimination or inequality. Likewise, you can be a men’s rights advocate without participating in negative subreddits across the manosphere that claim to be “pro-men” but are really reactionary to feminism. Do you thin…
/r/MensRights05/11/21 02:14 PM
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What legal rights do men lack that women have? As far as I’m aware, what you’ve displayed are either false, misleading, or an inequality based on bias at most. Men have the right to custody – only 4% of custody disputes are settled in family court, men have the right to use contraception, male circumcision I’ll grant, and as for rape, the law recognises that women can legally sexually assault and rape men. Here is a list of inequalities women face in the West that feminism aims to dismantle: Wom…
/r/MensRights05/11/21 02:13 PM
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I’ve already provided you with a full comprehensive list of the men’s rights movement and its hypocritical dogmatism, but I’ll repeat a few sources below and highlight the terms in bold that describe men as victimised in society and women as holding inherent privilege due to their gender. The term "men's rights" was coined in 1856 in Putnam's Magazine in response to the issue of women's rights — a time when women didn't even have the right to vote — calling it a "new movement for social reform, …
/r/MensRights05/11/21 02:12 PM
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The reason we are debating this is because we can’t agree on what it is. I’m not too sure what you’re even saying there.
/r/MensRights05/11/21 02:11 PM
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You can demand for support and advocation, but when your movement is inherently anti-feminist, don’t complain when you don’t receive that support and advocation. Raising awareness and identifying that a core issue affects society as a whole – both men and women – and then advocating to dismantle a system that negatively impacts these demographics is the most effective solution to a deep-rooted issue that’s difficult to tackle directly. The feminists that weaponise the patriarchy to dismiss male …
/r/MensRights05/11/21 02:09 PM
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Ew.. not you again. Chronically online. We live in a patriarchal “democracy”.
/r/MensRights05/11/21 02:09 PM
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Patriarchy is a social system in which men hold primary power and predominate in roles of political leadership, moral authority, social privilege and control of property. Some patriarchal societies are also patrilineal, meaning that property and title are inherited by the male lineage. Patriarchy is associated with a set of ideas, a patriarchal ideology that acts to explain and justify this dominance and attributes it to inherent natural differences between men and women. Sociologists hold varie…
/r/MensRights05/11/21 02:08 PM
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Women being underrepresented in leadership ≠ women being incapable of leadership / there being no female leaders to ever exist in history.
/r/MensRights05/11/21 02:07 PM
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I’ve already addressed this in another comment, but for the sake of the readers: In regards to your claim that women have more rights than men, not only is this objectively false, but a lot of the claims you’ve made below is widely misrepresented by the men’s rights movement in an attempt to amplify a non-issue to adopt ideas that men are the true victims of society and women are the privileged sex. I can briefly address a few of your points below: Presumed custody The family court system isn’t …
/r/MensRights05/11/21 02:06 PM
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Patriarchy is when 14 year old girls can be raped by their father and forced to share custody with him.
/r/MensRights05/11/21 01:51 PM
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Before I begin my premise, and I apologise if I sound blunt, I strongly suggest you to put in the time to do some independent research instead of parroting low-quality methodological studies with multiple limitations, including a participant number of less than 100, cited by MRA hot posts that have been discounted by the scientific community as a whole. There are many studies, and far better ones, on rape allegations. The highest-quality studies with a large sample size estimate a number of 2-8%…
/r/MensRights04/11/21 11:57 PM
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Considering you called me a “misandrist whore” when all I’ve done is engaged with civil respect throughout this discourse, I take that as you conceding. I believe that men deal with plenty of issues in society. You’re the one that claimed that women have more privileges in life than men. You are choosing to see what you want to see.
/r/MensRights04/11/21 11:31 PM
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Thank you.
/r/MensRights04/11/21 11:26 PM
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Someone has never heard of incels.
/r/AntiFeminists04/11/21 11:24 PM
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No, you’re just a coomer.
/r/MensRights04/11/21 03:20 AM
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Lol, thanks for conceding.
/r/MensRights04/11/21 03:18 AM
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I see multiple men complaining about feminists lack of support for the men’s rights movement and blaming it on their innate anti-male hatred, while simultaneously condemning the feminist movement, which essentially discourages feminists from advocating for issues highlighted by the men’s rights movement. Undeniably feminism has advocated for men’s rights in the past and has gone to great lengths to achieve the liberation of both men and women.
/r/MensRights04/11/21 03:17 AM
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What you have described is simply an innate bias of a selective agenda to frame society where men are victimised and women hold the power of biological privilege in a societal system that is undeniable governed by men. Although I don’t know why I expected any different from a men’s rights activist. Many of your claims are questionable. Are you really going to sit here and claim that it’s unfair that a woman can terminate her pregnancy but a man cannot due to the biological fact that he cannot ge…
/r/MensRights04/11/21 03:10 AM
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Part two Along with Paul Elam, Warren Farrell — a men's rights activist — is one of the primary front banners of r/mensrights, a man who has expressed many anti-feminist theories and propagates on the idea that male power is an illusion, and women are the true holders of power in society through their roles as the primary caregivers of children. Some of Warren Farrell's can be seen below: In Warren Farrell's eyes, a man paying for a woman's date and not getting sex in return is seen as incompreh…
/r/MensRights04/11/21 02:51 AM
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The men’s rights movement originated in 1856 — a time when women didn’t even have the right to vote — in opposition to women’s rights. What you’re referring to is men’s liberation. The men’s rights movement split off from men’s liberation in the 1970’s in counter response to feminism. Part one Many scholars describe the men's rights movement as a backlash against feminism. As part of the manosphere, the movement, and sectors of the movement, have been described by scholars and commentators as mi…
/r/MensRights04/11/21 02:51 AM
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Feminism is women’s rights advocacy. The men’s rights movement is more accurately described as an anti-feminist movement as opposed to a pro-men movement. The flipside of feminism would be an ideology that posits that women are psychopathic domineering oppressors who have kept men under the bootheel throughout history until meninists invented caring about men in the 1960s. You have just accurately described the men’s rights movement. Well done.
/r/MensRights04/11/21 02:48 AM
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Part two Along with Paul Elam, Warren Farrell — a men's rights activist — is one of the primary front banners of r/mensrights, a man who has expressed many anti-feminist theories and propagates on the idea that male power is an illusion, and women are the true holders of power in society through their roles as the primary caregivers of children. Some of Warren Farrell's can be seen below: In Warren Farrell's eyes, a man paying for a woman's date and not getting sex in return is seen as incompreh…
/r/MensRights04/11/21 02:46 AM
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The men’s rights movement originated in 1856 — a time when women didn’t even have the right to vote — in opposition to women’s rights. What you’re referring to is men’s liberation. The men’s rights movement split off from men’s liberation in the 1970’s in counter response to feminism. Part one Many scholars describe the men's rights movement as a backlash against feminism. As part of the manosphere, the movement, and sectors of the movement, have been described by scholars and commentators as mi…
/r/MensRights04/11/21 02:46 AM
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A patriarchy doesn’t equate to men not suffering in society. Men suffer greatly in a patriarchal system. Your misunderstanding of what a patriarchy is of no one's fault but your own. The inequalities that men face doesn’t disregard from the axiomatic evidence that our society is governed primarily by men in all sectors in life. In regards to your claim that women have more rights than men, not only is this objectively false, but a lot of the claims you’ve made below is widely misrepresented by t…
/r/MensRights04/11/21 01:07 AM
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Patriarchy is when men make laws on women’s bodies, essentially forcing them to give birth to their rapists child. Again, no one ever said that the patriarchy doesn’t mean that men do not suffer in society. You’re grasping onto straws, here.
/r/MensRights04/11/21 12:46 AM
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I’m unsure why you’ve gone to the extent of inserting yourself in each one of my comment’s, and I’m also unsure on why you keep repeating the same copy-pasta throughout the entirety of this discourse as if I haven’t seen it the first three times. The recognition of a system that is primarily male-dominated isn’t a form of anti-male hatred, and if you believe that it is, then it only highlights your privilege in a society that is undoubtedly governed by men. The recognition of a patriarchal syste…
/r/MensRights04/11/21 12:27 AM
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Then why are you claiming that feminism isn’t needed in the West but the men’s rights movement is? Do you not understand the blatant display of hypocrisy you are espousing?
/r/MensRights04/11/21 12:07 AM
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There’s a difference between the right to being protected and being unable to leave your house without a male supervising you because it is literally against the law to do so. Your lack of discernment for an issue that is detrimental to women’s rights is concerning. Essentially, this law prevents victims of domestic violence and other acts of violence from escaping their abuser. It is a form of oppression, and it is a display of anti-liberation and anti-freedom. Women are not free to travel; the…
/r/MensRights04/11/21 12:05 AM
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If you don’t like splitting your assets, which is the whole point of marriage, just don’t get married or sign a prenup. It’s not that difficult.
/r/MensRights03/11/21 11:20 PM
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Nah, you’re just a coomer lmao
/r/MensRights03/11/21 11:16 PM
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Sure, buddy. Let me know when you decide to step outside of your echo-chamber instead of behaving like a petulant child that’s incapable of any rational discourse. The statistics are highlighted above, and your poor understanding of what a patriarchy is is transparently clear. A patriarchal system does not mean men cannot suffer in the system, neither does it mean that women are incapable of leadership roles.
/r/MensRights03/11/21 06:22 PM
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But women and men have equal rights, so if we no longer need feminism, why do we need the men’s rights movement?
/r/MensRights03/11/21 06:21 PM
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The queen, in reality, has no political power in regards to how the country is dictated. I’m still waiting on that source that states female leaders send men to war. And again, I don’t think you understand what a patriarchy is.
/r/MensRights03/11/21 04:11 PM
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Then what’s the point of the men’s rights movement?
/r/MensRights03/11/21 03:56 PM
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What do you think the men’s rights movement is?
/r/MensRights03/11/21 03:56 PM
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Are you genuinely claiming a country that doesn’t allow women to walk outside of the house without a male present isn’t in need of feminism? Jesus Christ you are delusional.
/r/MensRights03/11/21 03:55 PM
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Which female leaders are forcing men to die in war? I’d love to know.
/r/MensRights03/11/21 03:53 PM
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I don’t want to get into it deeply, but there is an abundance of research that directly conflict with Dutton’s study and it is regarded as poor methodological research by the scientific community as a whole – LanghinrichsenRohling et al. 1995, Cascardi and Vivian 1995, Hamberger and Guse 2002, Barnett and Thelen 1995, and Phelan et al. 2005. He also used the “Conflict Tactics Scale”, a measure of domestic violence so poorly designed that the National Institute of Justice had suggested that it sh…
/r/MensRights03/11/21 03:50 PM
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A patriarchy doesn’t equate to men not suffering in society. Men suffer greatly in a patriarchal system. Your misunderstanding of what the patriarchy is isn’t of my fault.
/r/MensRights03/11/21 03:16 PM
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Dutton and pizzey are some of the worse credentials you could cite 💀
/r/MensRights03/11/21 02:46 PM
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Lmao literally
/r/MensRights03/11/21 02:39 PM
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The lack of self-awareness with MRA’s is insane. You can’t label feminism as toxic when you are two-sides of the same coin.
/r/MensRights03/11/21 02:35 PM
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The men’s rights movement consistently mischaracterises women’s rights movements while simultaneously demanding support and advocation from feminist groups which their mischaracterization essentially prevents them from delivering in response.
/r/MensRights03/11/21 02:33 PM
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It doesn’t matter whether you think the patriarchy exists or not, it’s an undeniable fact that the top people in power are overwhelmingly men. It’s not a coincidence that there has never been a female US president, and men primarily hold the Nation’s power through leadership roles, presidency, and wealth. In politics: Women represent only 24% of members of congress: 24% of the House and 23% of the Senate. Women hold only 28% of seats in state legislatures. Women represent only 18% of governors a…
/r/MensRights03/11/21 02:31 PM
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You can’t point out the double standards and hypocrisies of the feminist movement when the men’s rights movement ties into that same sector.
/r/MensRights03/11/21 02:27 PM
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Quick question, are you against feminism?
/r/MensRights03/11/21 02:26 PM
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Oh for fucks sake, why is this group so reactionary all the time? Every week a woman is killed due to domestic violence in Australia. The government has the best interests of the general public’s health and safety in mind, and it’s just a statistical fact that a woman’s life is more at risk due to domestic violence than a man’s.
/r/MensRights03/11/21 02:23 PM
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I don’t mind. I was simply expounding on my points I provided above. I don’t understand the need to “disprove” objective evidence of inequalities women face in society. But if you want to, sure, go ahead. The idea that women have easier lives, especially from a male perspective, is just a blatant display of ignorance and bigotry that’s commonly captivated within this group.
/r/MensRights28/10/21 06:32 AM
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The idea you’re perpetuating that women are essentially “asking” to be beaten black and blue due to verbal altercation is absolutely disgusting, abhorrent, and downright indefensible. Stop feeding into MRA lies. There is no justification for domestic violence. Never. As for resources for male victims of domestic violence, there are plenty available in Australia. See below. List of Domestic Violence Resources for Men (Australia) https://www.whiteribbon.org.au/Find-Help/Help-Lines https://domestic…
/r/MensRights25/10/21 10:04 AM
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I’m sorry but, what a poor analogy. Millions of women every single year suffer at the hands of domestic violence, with thousands having their life taken from them. This subsidy is a good thing, not a bad thing, so I don’t understand why you’re adamant on twisting the narrative to suit your agenda. Your anecdotal experiences are of no factual integrity and do not represent victims as a whole. Additionally, you’re making an assumption that victims of domestic violence aren’t “investigated” which i…
/r/MensRights24/10/21 06:11 AM
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Part two Evidence? It’s difficult to “prove” unconscious bias or systemic sexism through, per say, empirical data or concrete evidence, but there are a list of sources that corroborate these claims. More-so it’s just a well-known stereotype that women deal with, similar to how women are seen as the more emotional gender. https://www.edmunds.com/car-safety/the-gender-gap-do-dealerships-treat-women-differently.html I don't know about intelligence, maybe certain kinds of intelligence. Gender roles …
/r/MensRights24/10/21 06:07 AM
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Part one Questionable to what extent that is (still) true. There are studies showing that women tend to get promoted faster, and that there is a 2:1 preference for women in STEM fields. Researchers at UPF’s Department of Social and Political Sciences show that women are 30% less likely to be considered for hiring than men. Harvard study shows that men are more likely to be hired than women due to being perceived better at performing tasks Stanford study shows that men are more likely to be hired…
/r/MensRights24/10/21 06:03 AM
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I think your idea that feminists only advocated for paternity leave because it offers “benefits” to women is a reach. Men were the ones who pushed for paternity leave so that they could spend more time with their children and wives, and feminists were the one who successfully advocated on their behalf to achieve that right. Whenever I have mentioned that feminists were the ones who enacted the 2013 military combat law, anti-feminists have resorted to the same arguing pattern as you have done abo…
/r/MensRights24/10/21 06:00 AM
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It just seemed like you were justifying it with the “plenty of women” remark. It’s no different if I were to say “plenty of men are abusive of course”. No, these are sexist remarks. No one should say “plenty of x are y”. We are individuals, not stereotypes to our biological mould. The idea that a woman only divorces for money is the textbook definition of misogyny.
/r/MensRights24/10/21 05:57 AM
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Did you not read what I said above?
/r/MensRights24/10/21 05:56 AM
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That’s sort of my point. Men’s rights activists paint a narrative that primary custody is an advantage, benefit, or reward to single mother’s when it’s far from the truth. Single parenting is difficult and places the person at a much more vulnerable state. That’s why I agree with Decrow when she makes a case that joint custody benefits women, however, she doesn’t cover the full scope of the issue and why presumptive (mandatory) joint custody is wrong. As I have mentioned above, an overwhelming m…
/r/MensRights24/10/21 05:54 AM
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I’m unsure what relevance your talking points have in regards to the claim that paternity leave is merely an additional benefit to women when this is, without a doubt, not true, as explained above. If the company finds a replacement or schedules an existing employee to cover the employee that is on leave, as they do in my workplace, there is still no extra payment that is required, since they are allocating the previous employees pay to the replacement employees pay. All Nations that mandate pat…
/r/MensRights24/10/21 05:50 AM
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I’ve read your article, and nowhere does it mention feminism, so I’m unsure who exactly you’re referring to. Less than 1% of abortions are performed after 20 weeks of gestational age, and – as cited by the article itself – half are performed due to foetal abnormality and the other half are due to a number of reasons: women who don’t menstruate regularly and miss early symptoms of pregnancy, abusive partners who prevent women from accessing abortion services at an earlier date, or relationship br…
/r/MensRights24/10/21 05:47 AM
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Oh, I’m confused because you made a great display of ‘whataboutism’, so I assume that when feminists espouse hatred towards men, it’s justified since men have done plenty of wrongs to them in the past. Isn’t that your logic?
/r/MensRights21/10/21 09:39 AM
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Do you hear that governor Newsom? Get rid of the law because mr potato salad on reddit over here doesn’t feel like the law protects him despite multiple men and women reporting increasing rates of non-consensual condom removal in a certified Yale study.
/r/MensRights21/10/21 09:37 AM
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I’m not insisting we overlook the rest. As mentioned several times above, this is one step in the right direction. Remember, this is only a single state out of all 50 throughout the US that has criminalised stealthing. I’m unsure why you’re meeting this law with negativity and pretending it’s discriminatory towards men and only benefits women when this is objectively false. The “male” specific contraception is also the only specific contraception that prevents sexual transmission. This law was f…
/r/MensRights21/10/21 09:35 AM
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Do you justify those attacks?
/r/MensRights21/10/21 09:29 AM
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Nope, women can also be prosecuted. If the woman removes the condom and then proceeds with sexual contact, this law incriminates her as per clause (5).
/r/MensRights21/10/21 09:06 AM
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Jesus Christ, the amount of misogyny you spew is deplorable. Now imagine if that were said about men.
/r/MensRights21/10/21 09:04 AM
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We’re on two separate pages, here. I’m talking about the health risks of both sexual partners when it comes to non-consensual condom removal, and you’re talking about the potential of financial obligation. You do realise that condom removal also creates a risk of unintended pregnancy, right? Stop misconstruing my argument and placing words in my mouth that were never said or implied. I do care about the issue of child support, and I care about baby-trapping, too. This law is one step in the righ…
/r/MensRights21/10/21 09:04 AM
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I’m not denying that it’s easy for a person to claim instances of domestic violence obviously for safety reasons, but this is a much tighter law in a sense that it requires evidence of financial vulnerability as well as solid evidence of severe domestic abuse, which includes photographs, police reports, court order, restraining order, a referral from a domestic violence service provider, and a risk assessment and safety plan. I don’t think a few bad eggs should ruin an assistance programme dedic…
/r/MensRights21/10/21 05:40 AM
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If your only reason for accusing an entire Nation to be biased against men is an article written by SBS based on the primary victims of severe domestic violence and financial vulnerability, then fuck me, you genuinely need to get a life. With peace and love of course.
/r/MensRights21/10/21 05:34 AM
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This is the first legal action throughout the entire nation of the US that has criminalised stealthing, and all of a sudden men’s rights activists are up in arms accusing the law of being anti-men which couldn’t be further from the truth. This is just one step in the right direction. The idea that this law is only beneficial for women is objectively false, because both men and women can be penalised for removing a condom non-consensually. If the woman removes the condom and then proceeds with se…
/r/MensRights21/10/21 05:33 AM
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This is the first legal action throughout the entire nation of the US that has criminalised stealthing, and all of a sudden men’s rights activists are up in arms accusing the law of being anti-men which couldn’t be further from the truth. This is just one step in the right direction. The idea that this law is only beneficial for women is objectively false, because both men and women can be penalised for removing a condom non-consensually. If the woman removes the condom and then proceeds with se…
/r/MensRights21/10/21 05:33 AM
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The hypocrisy of what? This is the first legal action throughout the entire nation of the US that has criminalised stealthing, and all of a sudden men’s rights activists are up in arms accusing the law of being anti-men which couldn’t be further from the truth. This is just one step in the right direction. The idea that this law is only beneficial for women is objectively false, because both men and women can be penalised for removing a condom non-consensually. If the woman removes the condom an…
/r/MensRights21/10/21 05:32 AM
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This is the first legal action throughout the entire nation of the US that has criminalised stealthing, and all of a sudden men’s rights activists are up in arms accusing the law of being anti-men which couldn’t be further from the truth. This is just one step in the right direction. The idea that this law is only beneficial for women is objectively false, because both men and women can be penalised for removing a condom non-consensually. If the woman removes the condom and then proceeds with se…
/r/MensRights21/10/21 05:32 AM
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You haven’t provided any evidence of divorce and family court laws negatively affecting men due to discrimination. Divorce and family court are two issues that men’s rights activists have the tendency to mischaracterise with misleading statistics and amplify as a form of inequality when it’s much more nuanced than what is proposed. Majority of custody disputes are settled outside of the family court and alimony is an extremely uncommon payment throughout the US according to divorce statistics an…
/r/MensRights21/10/21 05:21 AM
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It doesn’t. Are you completely oblivious to the current Texas abortion laws and the responsibility of contraception falling primarily onto the woman?
/r/MensRights21/10/21 05:13 AM
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Would he? That’s interesting.
/r/AntiFeminists21/10/21 05:12 AM
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Recipients of the subsidy will have to provide solid evidence of domestic violence and meet the requirements for financial assistance.
/r/MensRights20/10/21 01:24 PM
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Recipients of the subsidy will have to provide solid evidence of domestic violence and meet the requirements for financial assistance.
/r/MensRights20/10/21 01:24 PM
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A subsidy designed to help male and female victims of domestic abuse is the reason for male suicide rates?
/r/MensRights20/10/21 01:23 PM
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I’m failing to see how a subsidy designed to help both male and female victims of domestic abuse is discriminatory.
/r/MensRights20/10/21 01:23 PM
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I come from Australia, where stealthing has been illegal for some time now. Stealthing was primarily an issue of concern for men engaging in same-sex intercourse due to the dangers of sexually transmittable disease, such as HIV. Stealthing is a bit of a grey area, as it’s difficult to prove, but I assume the charges are brought to court under the same circumstances as non-violent rape, which is more-so a case of “she said/he said”. What’s ironic is that men’s rights activists in the past have op…
/r/MensRights19/10/21 01:55 PM
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If I look stupid, then you must look like a fucking Neanderthal that’s incapable of any intellectual thinking beyond having words dumbed down in “ooga booga” language for him.
/r/AntiFeminists19/10/21 09:09 AM
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If the woman removes the condom and then proceeds with sexual contact, this law incriminates her as per clause (5).
/r/MensRights19/10/21 08:06 AM
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I don’t understand why this subreddit goes to great lengths to advocate for the criminalisation of sperm theft, yet when California successfully enacts a law to criminalise stealthing for women, an overwhelming amount of men within this group hypocritically oppose it. It doesn’t make sense to me. Why would you oppose a law that protects women from unintended pregnancy and sexual infection? If a woman and man consent to sex under the premise that they’ll both be protected, why do you believe that…
/r/MensRights19/10/21 08:05 AM
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I don’t understand why this subreddit goes to great lengths to advocate for the criminalisation of sperm theft, yet when California successfully enacts a law to criminalise stealthing for women, an overwhelming amount of men within this group hypocritically oppose it. It doesn’t make sense to me. Why would you oppose a law that protects women from unintended pregnancy and sexual infection? If a woman and man consent to sex under the premise that they’ll both be protected, why do you believe that…
/r/MensRights19/10/21 08:04 AM
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I don’t understand why this subreddit goes to great lengths to advocate for the criminalisation of sperm theft, yet when California successfully enacts a law to criminalise stealthing for women, an overwhelming amount of men within this group hypocritically oppose it. It doesn’t make sense to me. Why would you oppose a law that protects women from unintended pregnancy and sexual infection? If a woman and man consent to sex under the premise that they’ll both be protected, why do you believe that…
/r/MensRights19/10/21 08:04 AM
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I don’t understand why this subreddit goes to great lengths to advocate for the criminalisation of sperm theft, yet when California successfully enacts a law to criminalise stealthing for women, an overwhelming amount of men within this group hypocritically oppose it. It doesn’t make sense to me. Why would you oppose a law that protects women from unintended pregnancy and sexual infection? If a woman and man consent to sex under the premise that they’ll both be protected, why do you believe that…
/r/MensRights19/10/21 08:04 AM
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I don’t understand why this subreddit goes to great lengths to advocate for the criminalisation of sperm theft, yet when California successfully enacts a law to criminalise stealthing for women, an overwhelming amount of men within this group hypocritically oppose it. It doesn’t make sense to me. Why would you oppose a law that protects women from unintended pregnancy and sexual infection? If a woman and man consent to sex under the premise that they’ll both be protected, why do you believe that…
/r/MensRights19/10/21 08:03 AM
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No, the law doesn’t work like that. There needs to be enough evidence to convict someone of stealthing. Please stop fear mongering. I don’t understand why this subreddit goes to great lengths to advocate for the criminalisation of sperm theft, yet when California successfully enacts a law to criminalise stealthing for women, an overwhelming amount of men within this group hypocritically oppose it. It doesn’t make sense to me. Why would you oppose a law that protects women from unintended pregnan…
/r/MensRights19/10/21 08:03 AM
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I don’t understand why this subreddit goes to great lengths to advocate for the criminalisation of sperm theft, yet when California successfully enacts a law to criminalise stealthing for women, an overwhelming amount of men within this group hypocritically oppose it. It doesn’t make sense to me. Why would you oppose a law that protects women from unintended pregnancy and sexual infection? If a woman and man consent to sex under the premise that they’ll both be protected, why do you believe that…
/r/MensRights19/10/21 08:02 AM
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I don’t understand why this subreddit goes to great lengths to advocate for the criminalisation of sperm theft, yet when California successfully enacts a law to criminalise stealthing for women, an overwhelming amount of men within this group hypocritically oppose it. It doesn’t make sense to me. Why would you oppose a law that protects women from unintended pregnancy and sexual infection? If a woman and man consent to sex under the premise that they’ll both be protected, why do you believe that…
/r/MensRights19/10/21 08:02 AM
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I don’t understand why this subreddit goes to great lengths to advocate for the criminalisation of sperm theft, yet when California successfully enacts a law to criminalise stealthing for women, an overwhelming amount of men within this group hypocritically oppose it. It doesn’t make sense to me. Why would you oppose a law that protects women from unintended pregnancy and sexual infection? If a woman and man consent to sex under the premise that they’ll both be protected, why do you believe that…
/r/MensRights19/10/21 08:02 AM
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That’s.. that’s not how the law works. Please stop fear mongering.
/r/MensRights19/10/21 08:02 AM
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Legally, no. That’s not written in the law. Please stop with the fear mongering.
/r/MensRights19/10/21 08:00 AM
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I don’t understand why this subreddit goes to great lengths to advocate for the criminalisation of sperm theft, yet when California successfully enacts a law to criminalise stealthing for women, an overwhelming amount of men within this group hypocritically oppose it. It doesn’t make sense to me. Why would you oppose a law that protects women from unintended pregnancy and sexual infection? If a woman and man consent to sex under the premise that they’ll both be protected, why do you believe that…
/r/MensRights19/10/21 08:00 AM
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Okay, buddy. Well I’m done engaging with the self-proclaimed “nice guy” who believes everyone else is the problem but him. But please, continue complaining about how there are rarely any good women out there.. I’m sure women feel the same way towards you. Goodbye.
/r/MensRights19/10/21 07:58 AM
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Go back to being bitter. That’s ironic coming from the men’s rights activist who’s playing “gender wars” on an incel’s post about how he “can’t find love” — I wonder why? But continue convincing yourself that you’re the true victim of society. Let’s see where that gets you.
/r/MensRights19/10/21 07:54 AM
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That’s because you’re a woman-hating man LOL. Thanks for proving my point 😂
/r/MensRights19/10/21 07:50 AM
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It’s easy to sit here and cherry-pick arguing points that conveniently pertain to your unconscionable narrative that one gender is more privileged than the other. Like how our society is dominated by men who hold the primary power through wealth, governing positions, and leadership roles. Or how men are met with less scrutiny in all areas of life because they are seen as the more competent gender. Or how about the fact that men can simply walk down the street without having a high likelihood of …
/r/MensRights19/10/21 07:47 AM
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I guess you understand how women feel and have felt for years in terms of dating. Men are narcissistic sociopaths that lack any empathy for anyone that isn’t themselves.
/r/MensRights19/10/21 07:46 AM
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It’s easy to sit here and cherry-pick arguing points that conveniently pertain to your unconscionable narrative that one gender is more privileged than the other. Like how our society is dominated by men who hold the primary power through wealth, governing positions, and leadership roles. Or how men are met with less scrutiny in all areas of life because they are seen as the more competent gender. Or how about the fact that men can simply walk down the street without having a high likelihood of …
/r/MensRights19/10/21 07:44 AM
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Part two Women always have men to rely on, they always have a safety net. The have daddy government and welfare which is paid mostly by men and women take most of the government benefits. Women pay less taxes, most taxes are paid by men. Most of men’s money is earned and transferred to women’s pockets in society. Let me get this right; one of the reasonings you provide to substantiate your claim that women are “privileged” in society is because women rely on government welfare that can barely pa…
/r/MensRights19/10/21 07:42 AM
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Part one I came here from a cross-post, and I couldn’t leave without pointing out what a load of bullshit your entire thesis of opinionated rhetoric is. It’s easy to sit here and cherry-pick arguing points that conveniently pertain to your unconscionable narrative that one gender is more privileged than the other. Like how our society is dominated by men who hold the primary power through wealth, governing positions, and leadership roles. Or how men are met with less scrutiny in all areas of lif…
/r/MensRights19/10/21 07:42 AM
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You see being a woman as easier from your “experience” because you’ve never experienced life as a woman, just like women have never experienced life as a man. Get rid of your weaponised ignorance.
/r/MensRights19/10/21 07:40 AM
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Actually, the source is cited by men’s rights activists and men on r/TheRedPill, but it is interesting how anti-feminists, or men in general, automatically dismiss any source they see that doesn’t fit their narrative as a “feminist source” when it’s not. This is a “legit” study, as were the ones posted by u/RayRayGD that you failed to address. You’re projecting such bitter angriness because you were proven wrong, and it doesn’t look good on you. Disengage, take some prozac, and calm the fuck dow…
/r/AntiFeminists19/10/21 07:32 AM
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Thinking isn’t your strong suit, isn’t it? The reason why both me and u/RayRayGD described older men as “wrinkly” and “archaic” is because that’s the words you used to describe older women. If you can’t handle what you serve, don’t dish it. I understand what spotlight means. I’m not socially inept. Attention from older men isn’t something most younger women enjoy, because quite frankly, it comes across as weird, creepy, and gross. You don’t think we experience sexual harassment on a daily basis,…
/r/AntiFeminists19/10/21 07:31 AM
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LOL, thanks for proving my point. Notice where I explicitly say: ”It’s irritating when men try to tell us what we are supposed to like”? You walked right into the point and still missed it.
/r/AntiFeminists19/10/21 07:31 AM
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It lacks “context” because an overwhelming majority of the human population are not socially inept “troglodytes” that require every campaign to be dumbed down to them and given a disclaimer in fear that an anti-feminist is going to misconstrue the message behind the illustration and use it to victimise himself, as they so often do.
/r/AntiFeminists19/10/21 07:25 AM
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I’m sorry, but I find it extremely hard to believe that instead of choosing to use contraception for free under a woman’s healthcare coverage or Medicaid, she engages in unprotected sex, and each time she gets pregnant – which likely happens a lot – she is willing to spend up to $1500 each time to terminate her pregnancy. No one, even the richest of women, does this. This is a form of propaganda pushed by the pro-life movement, and your unsubstantial claim that you “know” women who do this will …
/r/MensRights19/10/21 07:24 AM
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Domestic violence I read your Australian news source. Andy’s story is a reality that many women face every single day in the hands of domestic violence. I don’t believe the specific anecdote that’s referenced in this story is the result of men’s domestic violence being taken less seriously, since the offender was charged for the assault, but rather highlights how little men’s domestic violence cases are discussed. As stated in the article: “Many experts say this is partly because men don’t exper…
/r/MensRights19/10/21 07:23 AM
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I took a brief look at your profile, and the fact you participate in subreddits such as r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen and believe in the red pill says enough of what I need to know about you. Your recent comment history is concerning, too, because without a doubt, if women were to collectively congregate together and say the things you say about them, it’s exactly people like you who would be labelling them as anti-male misandrists. The entire epitome of that subreddit is a circlejerk of bitter projec…
/r/MensRights19/10/21 07:23 AM
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The above illustration originates from a campaign of male-on-female domestic abuse. If you believe that every campaign should cater to your incompetence and lack of common sense simply because you’re too socially inept to decipher situational context, then go ahead. But don’t blame others when you look absolutely stupid doing so.
/r/AntiFeminists19/10/21 07:22 AM
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I don’t understand why you’ve gone out of your way to insert yourself in each one of my comments when you fail to address the arguing points I’ve made throughout our previous discussion that you dismiss because you claim you “don’t have enough time”, but here we go again, I guess. Yes, I’m Australian. Glad you got the reference; many people get confused by the name. According to this source here, which is a source for US statistics, alimony is “uncommon, and its amount is becoming smaller and fo…
/r/MensRights19/10/21 07:21 AM
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Whataboutism. I never said women don’t do those things. That doesn’t justify the distasteful generalisation above.
/r/MensRights19/10/21 07:19 AM
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Okay... and? It was a misogynistic sweeping generalisation.
/r/MensRights19/10/21 07:18 AM
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How does it imply that female-on-male abuse doesn’t exist? Perhaps you’re insinuating that on your own accord because the campaign doesn’t address female-on-male abuse, which is a ridiculous presumption. I don’t argue that male suicide campaigns imply that women don’t struggle with suicidal ideation simply because they fail to address female suicide victims, do I? This generation has truly gone so soft and completely skipped out on common sense.
/r/AntiFeminists19/10/21 07:18 AM
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So you are admitting to your hypocrisy then?
/r/MensRights19/10/21 07:17 AM
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Btw abortion is nuanced. There is a clear difference between an 8 week old foetus and an 8 month one. I mean to say that financial abortion is not as nuanced. If abortion is legal then financial abortion is a suitable option towards closing the equality gap. Roe v. Wade determines that abortion is only legal up until 24 weeks in all states. How many feminists would agree with it being legal for a woman to suddenly decide 8 months in that she wants an abortion because she’d just found out the fat…
/r/MensRights19/10/21 07:16 AM
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I agree with you in regards to your statement that the feminist movement is a women’s rights movement and much of its focus is centred around women’s rights. I’m not denying that the feminist movement doesn’t advocate for financial abortion as it isn’t a primary issue among their movement. I do, however, find it odd that you insinuate that the feminist movement should be expected to advocate for these inconsequential issues in order for the movement to hold some merit. Katherine Spillar is an in…
/r/MensRights19/10/21 07:13 AM
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If that were the true motive, which it isn’t, then it would be fair to assume that the National Organisation for Women wouldn’t oppose the presumption of joint custody, which serves the same benefits that you are highlighting in terms of economical equity. Title VII of the Civil Rights Act prohibits an employer from treating you differently, or less favourably, because of your sex, which is defined to include pregnancy, sexual orientation, and gender identity. In reality, paternity leave is some…
/r/MensRights19/10/21 07:11 AM
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prenups cannot be overruled Prenups are overturned due to legal issues, such as coercion, lack of witness, and written in a legal contract. If a man doesn’t want his wife taking half of his assets, then why is he marrying her? He has the choice to abstain from marriage, as many people do. https://www.jonnyklaw.com/blog/2018/november/can-a-prenup-agreement-ever-be-overturned-/ ⁠default 50/50 custody and parental schedule unless mutually agreed otherwise Forced joint custody is never a good idea, …
/r/MensRights16/10/21 03:32 AM
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You’ve said that twice, buddy. You got eyes, right? How does a post that lacks context perpetuate sexism?
/r/AntiFeminists16/10/21 02:48 AM
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Yes, you’ve already said that. How is a campaign against male-on-female domestic abuse sexist towards men?
/r/AntiFeminists16/10/21 02:35 AM
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Nowhere does the image above state that a man should never hit a woman for any reason. It’s a campaign against male-on-female domestic abuse. Why do so many of you guys within this subreddit reach so hard to fuel your victim complex?
/r/AntiFeminists16/10/21 02:35 AM
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Again, you say this, but if a feminist were to generalise men in a negative light, you’d be demonising them entirety of the movement, as this group so often does.
/r/MensRights15/10/21 08:56 PM
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What is the legislative changes to this? Alimony is extremely uncommon, anyway.
/r/MensRights15/10/21 10:36 AM
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Yes, it is a misogynistic claim, don’t act like it’s any difference and you wouldn’t be screaming “misandry” or “not all men” at the top of your lungs if a woman were to say “men only care about three things, being right, the sound of their own voice, and any money they didn’t have to work for.”
/r/MensRights15/10/21 10:33 AM
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Sure buddy
/r/AntiFeminists15/10/21 09:10 AM
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Nowhere within the entirety of that post does it say that.
/r/AntiFeminists15/10/21 08:48 AM
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How is this post sexism?
/r/AntiFeminists15/10/21 08:48 AM
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Jesus Christ, are you really justifying domestic violence here? Please stay away from women, or people in general, if you think you have the right to resort to physical violence.
/r/AntiFeminists15/10/21 08:47 AM
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I don’t see the issue with raising awareness for domestic violence.
/r/AntiFeminists15/10/21 08:45 AM
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The reason I invoke them is because I believe in nuance. Joint custody and domestic violence disputes are nuanced – sperm theft and abortion are not as nuanced. Stealthing (which includes sperm theft) should be illegalised, there is no doubt about that, and the man should have the equal right to financial abortion providing that there are protections in place that don’t create a vulnerability of coercion of the woman. Are you referring to the National Organisation for Women opposing the SB Bill …
/r/MensRights15/10/21 05:15 AM
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They were feminists such as yourself, but on a different forum. That doesn’t really give me much insight. I’ve had a look for this “Cross Roads” program. The main thing that comes up in a search for that plus DV are women’s refuges (shelters) - which are obviously intended for victims escaping DV, not a court mandated therapy course. There is a DV counselling service in Ohio going by that name. But they a) use the Duluth model and b) explicitly say it’s for men only. Since you want proof, here’s…
/r/MensRights15/10/21 05:14 AM
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It’s actually written into the directions. They’re not interested in who initiated the violence. The direction is who can be the greatest physical threat. And in most cases that’s the man! The criteria of how the police department determine who is the predominant aggressor in a domestic abuse case is made based on the circumstances of the event, not who is “seen” as the bigger threat based on their biological gender. Predominant Aggressor: If the officer determines that neither party acted in se…
/r/MensRights15/10/21 05:14 AM
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If you mean by “take advantage of” as in a form of exploitation, no, it’s not. They both are aware of what relationship they’re consenting to. It is slightly annoying how older men pursue women who are much younger and attractive than them and then act oblivious to the fact she’s “using” him for his money. It’s no more her exploiting him than him exploiting her for her youth, looks, and sex. That’s why it’s labelled as a “sugar daddy” relationship. Yeah, it sucks if they marry and then divorce a…
/r/AntiFeminists15/10/21 04:32 AM
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The double standard is irritating. Just for clarity, I find older women who prey on 18 year old boys just as disgusting. I’m not too sure what you mean by “take advantage of” though. Sugar daddy relationships develop for the sole purpose of transactional gain.
/r/AntiFeminists15/10/21 03:56 AM
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What this user is saying is very accurate. I’m a 20 year old female, and the reason why women view large age gaps where an older male dates a younger female who is freshly 18 (and likely just out of high school) as unethical is because there is a notorious line of predatory men who will purposely seek out younger women who are “mouldable” are easily impressionable. I’m not claiming that all men seeking younger women are unethical, but there is some caution that is necessary. I mean, more than ha…
/r/AntiFeminists15/10/21 02:41 AM
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I’ll link a graph below. Women are pretty consistent in who they see as desirable, and it’s usually 2-4 years within their age range. Stop regurgitating red-pill bullshit and telling women what they are supposed to like. It’s obnoxious. https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/dataclysm-shows-men-are-attracted-to-women-in-their-20s-2014-10%3famp
/r/AntiFeminists15/10/21 02:35 AM
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Yes!! As a 20 yo woman thank you for saying this. It’s irritating when men try to tell us what we are supposed to like. The only thing beneficial difference about dating an older man is probably financial benefits, and that’s it.
/r/AntiFeminists15/10/21 02:33 AM
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As a 20 yo woman, no, it is primarily younger women who detest age gaps. Being desirable by wrinkly archaic men isn’t much of a “spotlight” for us so I have no idea what you’re even arguing there. It’s annoying when men use this as an excuse to demonise older women when it is primarily younger women who claim that older men pursuing younger women is unethical.
/r/AntiFeminists15/10/21 02:31 AM
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I’ve seen more younger women complain about age gaps than older women.
/r/AntiFeminists15/10/21 02:29 AM
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You can revoke consent at any time during intercourse.
/r/AntiFeminists15/10/21 02:28 AM
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Do you even read my comments before you respond? I made a few others addressing this, which I’m going to assume you haven’t read yet.
/r/MensRights12/10/21 06:16 PM
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Regarding anecdotal evidence. It’s all I can draw upon to see how these things work in practice. I understand that, but if anecdotal evidence is the only solid ground you can base your argument on, then I think you need to readjust your views. Too many feminist led studies are riddled with confirmation bias (the gender pay gap is likely an example), and lack of a proper control group. The three studies I gave you aren’t feminist led studies, and the 2002 study by E W Gondolf is a four-year longi…
/r/MensRights11/10/21 09:37 PM
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And what is this “empirical data”? A few feminist studies which are not backed up by the NIJ analysis? None of the studies I have cited are from a feminist source. One is a 2002 study funded by the federal government, another is a 1999 Dobash study based in Scotland, and another is a 2003 longitudinal, four-year study by E W Gondolf. A study doesn’t have to be verified by the National Institute of Justice to be deemed as credible. You are more than welcome to read the study itself or review the …
/r/MensRights11/10/21 04:08 PM
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Who are these feminists you speak of? This is more anecdotal evidence. You’ve spent your entire time within the entirety of this discourse making unsupported claims which I have asked evidence for multiple times. This is futile to me. The only copy pasta I’ve seen that has widely criticised the Duluth Model are made by men’s rights activists or anti-feminists. It’s a justification to demonise feminism, if anything. The therapy mandated by the Duluth Model programme is a grounded in the principle…
/r/MensRights11/10/21 04:07 PM
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Men being arrested isn’t on that “power and control” wheel (neither is mandatory arrest). It is, however, part of the so-called coordinated community response through the “primary aggressor model”. It’s openly stated that it doesn’t mean the person who initiated the violence: https://www.domesticshelters.org/articles/legal/help-police-determine-who-is-the-primary-aggressor Could you provide me evidence of this “primary aggressor model” cited by the Duluth Model that you claim assumes the man as …
/r/MensRights11/10/21 04:06 PM
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In any case it IS in the protocol of the Duluth model. Look at the power wheel! It’s clear setting a budget for your partner (surely putting her on an allowance) is violence. That’s an intrinsic part of the system. The Duluth Model wheel highlights methods of power and control that can be used as a means to facilitate abuse against their victim. Abuse and violence are similar, but they are not the same. For example: emotional abuse is not inherently violent. So is, as you pointed out the so-call…
/r/MensRights10/10/21 10:35 PM
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The woke is just anyone who’s liberal. At the end of the day, I don’t argue with anecdotal evidence because I can’t prove that what you’re saying is untruthful and you can’t prove that what you’re saying is truthful. It’s a moral dilemma.
/r/MensRights10/10/21 10:35 PM
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I have no issue with the use of arithmetic when you’re discussing a mathematical concept. However, you’re intentionally manipulating figures without clarifying and then acting surprised when someone doesn’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. Inflation means to exaggerate or increase. There are multiple definitions to one word. I’m sorry to hear your education was so deficient. I think your understanding of concession must be very flawed if you’re completely oblivious to the fact that you c…
/r/MensRights10/10/21 09:42 PM
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In no way am I claiming that you or your friend are lying, however, you have to understand that anecdotal evidence is the weakest form of evidence you can cite. Anyone can make up any claim and say that it is true without evidence of such. It could also be that the police or authorities mandating the programme were not following the proper procedures, who knows? My point is that it’s a weak claim to base your argument off of as you cannot prove it and I can neither disprove it because it’s your …
/r/MensRights10/10/21 03:15 PM
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Of course you’re defending the Duluth Model. I think it’s a valid intervention programme for heterosexual couples, but it definitely has its flaws. It is not a single study. It is an analysis of two previous studies. Hence why there was a difference in the way the two groups were analysed. The NIJ is a single study based on two studies. Don’t misconstrue my argument. Either way, both studies were flawed, so I’m unsure why you’re adamant on cherry-picking the analysis of both studies when there a…
/r/MensRights10/10/21 03:12 PM
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This topic was always about the termination of parental rights on the grounds of rape. You used a sly tactic to shift the goal posts in an attempt of a red herring fallacy because it’s easier for you to argue divorce than it is for you to address the topic of discussion. False rape accusations are extremely rare, especially during divorce. They are an extreme minority of cases. If you can’t stick to the topic, then don’t bother. You’ve since abandoned everything else, so there’s no surprise ther…
/r/MensRights08/10/21 04:12 PM
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Oh no! Someone has called out the hypocrisy of my extremist male supremacy dog-whistle coalition full of bitter and angry incels, also known as the men’s rights movement! Attack! Deflect! If that’s your only take-away from the entire origins of the men’s rights movement and how it’s full to the brim of hateful vitriol about women and the unconscionable attack on women’s rights, then perhaps you’re the one in need of some deep psychological introspection, because at this point, you’re just behavi…
/r/MensRights08/10/21 04:11 PM
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You’re back? Didn’t take long. Oh no! Someone has called out the hypocrisy of my extremist male supremacy dog-whistle coalition full of bitter and angry incels, also known as the men’s rights movement! Attack! Deflect! If that’s your only take-away from the entire origins of the men’s rights movement and how it’s full to the brim of hateful vitriol about women and the unconscionable attack on women’s rights, then perhaps you’re in need of some deep psychological introspection, because at this po…
/r/MensRights07/10/21 09:37 PM
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Part three Reproductive/Parental Rights Former president and attorney Karen Decrow of the feminist organisation National Organisation for Women is a strong supporter and spokesperson for men’s rights, advocating for men’s parental rights, such as child custody decisions, rebuttal presumption of shared custody after divorce, and reproductive rights such as financial abortion, asserting that men should be allowed the decision not to become a parent. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_DeCrow#Caree…
/r/MensRights07/10/21 02:02 PM
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Part two Sexual Violence Feminist organisations Women’s Law Project and Feminist Majority Foundation successfully campaigned to broaden the legal definition of rape in the US inclusive of male rape victims. Using online resources, feminists bombarded the Department of Justice and the FBI with thousands of emails demanding a definition of rape that reflects the reality of rape – vaginal, anal, and oral rape, including rape of men – and does not limit lack of consent to physical resistance. https:…
/r/MensRights07/10/21 02:02 PM
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Feminism is a movement that advocates for equality that greatly benefits both genders. Unlike common misconception that is often parroted by the men’s rights movement, feminism is not anti-men, it is not in advocation for female privilege, it does not want to take away your rights as a man. Studies show that living in a country with gender equality benefits men’s mental health, halves the risk of depression, lowers suicide rates, and reduces the risk of violence by 40%. Unfortunately, men’s righ…
/r/MensRights07/10/21 02:01 PM
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Firstly, the link gives a preview which gives Karen DeCrow’s quote. Did you look at that? Are you referring to page 43? Because it doesn’t say anything about feminists or their criticism of Karen Decrow. Regarding the feminist who argued that it should be illegal: it would take a lot of time to trawl back and find it. And for what? My point is that individuals who identify as feminists may take up causes to support men. But feminism collectively does not. You’re not seriously going to argue that…
/r/MensRights07/10/21 02:00 PM
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The feminist ideologies represented in the Duluth Model isn’t this ‘ooga booga’ diabolical falsehood. The underpinnings of the Duluth curriculum do come from a historical analysis of previous laws and cultural norms used to oppress women. A lot of this can be seen in the family unit, where the man is seen as dominant over his wife. To deny this and claim that it’s nothing more than a false feminist ideology as opposed to a factually consistent societal trend throughout history is just disingenuo…
/r/MensRights07/10/21 02:00 PM
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I’m not defending the Duluth Model, I’m denying the flawed criticism you’re pointing towards. Read the subparagraph of the studies limitations and you’ll see the study itself cites that it has many shortcomings. It’s not just the dropout factor that determines the validity of the study, it’s also other factors cited within the report. Although the NIJ study uses the term “Duluth Model”, the report examines only the “batterers’ treatment” component. The researchers do not indicate to what extent,…
/r/MensRights07/10/21 01:59 PM
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Yes, it’s definitely not to do with the fact that Erin Pizzey called to cut funding from women’s domestic violence shelters and demanded that men and women should share the same refuge despite this creating a leeway for abusers to gain access to their victims. Oh, and it definitely has nothing to do with the falsehood she pertains to that women were “asking for it” when they were hurt by their partner because, you know, apparently every altercation is “reciprocal” in her eyes and women deserve t…
/r/MensRights07/10/21 01:41 PM
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I’m not watching a 30-minute YouTube video because you fail to find a source with any ounce of credibility to support your bullshit claims. It doesn’t matter whether it’s criticised MRM in the past – there is nothing of substance that could be of any more factual integrity beyond the National government agency that deals with state-wide child support payments. Please stop lying. It achieves nothing: you are commenting in a sub where everyone is familiar with the usual feminist lies and smear tac…
/r/MensRights06/10/21 02:23 PM
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Part three In short, the men's rights movement and its activists have: Combatted against women's liberation and opposed women's entry into the labour market and social and legal institutions. Advocated to completely abolish legal protections for women. Advocated against marriage and family laws and the requirement to pay spousal and child support to former wives and children. Actively opposed rape laws and protections of female rape victims in cases such as date rape and marital rape. Actively o…
/r/MensRights06/10/21 02:21 PM
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Part two Paul Elam, the founder and main contributor to A Voice for Men — one of the largest sites of the manosphere and male supremacy) — is the second most linked site in r/mensrights. Here are a few of his quotes below: “Pussy is the only real empowerment women will ever know. Put all the hopelessly wishful thinking of feminist ideology aside and what remains is the fact that it is men and pretty much men only who draw power from accomplishment, who invent technology, build nations, cure dise…
/r/MensRights06/10/21 02:21 PM
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If you want a full comprehensive list of how the men's rights movement has negatively affected women, all you need to do is look up the history of the movement and the majority of engagement in the r/mensrights subreddit. But since you seem incapable of that, I'll do it for you. Part one Many scholars describe the men's rights movement as a backlash against feminism. As part of the manosphere, the movement, and sectors of the movement, have been described by scholars and commentators as misogyni…
/r/MensRights06/10/21 02:20 PM
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You can't possibly be ignorant of this topic, so I presume that you're lying. A false accusation during divorce proceedings is known as "the silver bullet" by attorneys in the field, because it delivers the ex wife everything she wanted with minimal fuss or effort: full custody of the kids, the house, a hefty financial settlement and generous alimony. You’re shifting the goal posts, here. This discussion is about the termination of parental rights on the grounds of rape, not divorce or separatio…
/r/MensRights06/10/21 02:17 PM
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Note: part three of my resources was removed because a link wasn’t allowed. The resources included a comprehensive list of issues relating to reproductive rights, parental rights, workforce, education, healthcare, sentencing disparity, and selective service/draft. Let me know if you would like to see it and I can message it to you.
/r/MensRights06/10/21 07:51 AM
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Part two Sexual Violence Feminist organisations Women’s Law Project and Feminist Majority Foundation successfully campaigned to broaden the legal definition of rape in the US inclusive of male rape victims. Using online resources, feminists bombarded the Department of Justice and the FBI with thousands of emails demanding a definition of rape that reflects the reality of rape – vaginal, anal, and oral rape, including rape of men – and does not limit lack of consent to physical resistance. https:…
/r/MensRights06/10/21 07:43 AM
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To expound from the last comment: Feminism is a movement that advocates for equality that greatly benefits both genders. Unlike common misconception that is often parroted by the men’s rights movement, feminism is not anti-men, it is not in advocation for female privilege, it does not want to take away your rights as a man. Studies show that living in a country with gender equality benefits men’s mental health, halves the risk of depression, lowers suicide rates, and reduces the risk of violence…
/r/MensRights06/10/21 07:40 AM
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I stopped reading your list once Erin Pizzey was mentioned. Erin Pizzey is a highly controversial figure, not because she advocated for men's rights, but because her advocation for men’s rights is directly correlated to her defacing feminism and harming women and domestic support groups. The claim that most domestic violence that women face is reciprocal isn’t only objectively false, but it’s also damaging as it taints the true narrative of domestic violence cases and invalidates the abuse that …
/r/MensRights06/10/21 07:37 AM
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Or maybe the mother should just get a job lmao. Jesus Christ, the lack of nuance here is harmfully ignorant. What a simplified take on the issues that single mothers face within society. It truly demonstrates just how much of your prejudice and bigotry stems from a lack of understanding on a topic that can easily be researched. 72.3% of working women are mothers of children under the age of 18 (source) and only 29% of single mothers are unemployed in the US (source) Or maybe the child should go …
/r/MensRights06/10/21 07:36 AM
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Ignorance is bliss.
/r/MensRights06/10/21 07:35 AM
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What you're quoting is taken out of context. No doubt you've likely copy and pasted that from some MRA post. What's emphasized in your post is actually not the end of the thought. The snipped down quote does not show the full nuance of her analysis and rather presents a disingenuous view of Ellen Pence's thoughts on the Duluth Model. I suggest you to go to the source and read what she actually wrote in context. It changes the meaning of your excerpt. Here is the full quote in context and the sou…
/r/MensRights03/10/21 05:19 PM
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Part two You think that has less impact on him than if he had the choice to take a morning after pill, abortion pill, get a surgical abortion in less than 6 weeks in Texas, or get a bus ticket out of state after 6 weeks. Do you think that being coerced into seeking a painful and intrusive procedure is any less traumatic than a financial payment that can equally be relinquished on the same grounds of female rape victims? Do you think that seeking an abortion is easy for a woman in a state surroun…
/r/AntiFeminists03/10/21 05:18 PM
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Part one Yes. I would to see that. Because I have looked and Nevada (and adoption) are the only exemptions I have found despite hundreds on reddit telling me it is that way, "trust me". This link provides the general grounds of termination of parental rights This link provides the grounds of termination of parental rights for rape victims Lolz. The lack of denial is very telling. No, I'm not. You keep stating how traumatic is is for female rape victims while ignoring the impact on male rape vict…
/r/AntiFeminists03/10/21 05:16 PM
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The legislators are the voters. These are the representatives who voted the bill into congress. Greg Abbott signed the bill into effect as SCOTUS failed to block the heartbeat act. You need to stop spreading harmful misinformation within MRA and anti-feminist groups for the purpose of inciting hatred to the wrong individuals.
/r/AntiFeminists03/10/21 05:15 PM
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Can you see if you can get him banned from the subreddit? Perhaps I should talk to the mod about him.
/r/AntiFeminists03/10/21 03:24 PM
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Yup, this user is well known for claiming that ‘foids’ (a term used to dehumanise women) deserve to be raped and treated like animals.
/r/AntiFeminists03/10/21 02:34 PM
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The US National Institute of Justice 2003 study was an analysis of the effectiveness of the Duluth Model. So yes, essentially, these men did drop out of the study since they dropped out of the programme that the NIJ was... studying. If the participants drop out of the programme that the NIJ is studying the effectiveness of, how is the NIJ meant to confirm the effectiveness of the programme if the men drop out of it before it’s completed? I’m sorry, but the study was flawed, and for more reasons …
/r/MensRights02/10/21 02:58 PM
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The link you've provided me is a link to a book that you need to purchase. I’ve seen an article written by a feminist saying sperm theft should be illegal. I have never seen a feminist campaign to criminalise sperm theft, can you point to one? To me that indicates that most feminists (certainly feminist activists and academics) either don’t think it’s a problem worth bothering with or support women who do it. Can you link me to that article and the name of the feminist please? What you’re making…
/r/MensRights02/10/21 02:56 PM
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I have directly cited you the official legislation from the Child Support Enforcement Office. Of course, every state is different. If you want to link me to MRA YouTube videos with zero credibility, by all means, feel free to do that. I am not watching your bias doctrine though, so you're wasting your time. 50'000 is nothing compared to the 52% of men who do not pay a single penny in child support with $108 billion being left unpaid by arrears of debt-collectors in the US alone. Are you seriousl…
/r/MensRights01/10/21 07:49 PM
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I'm not out of step with the most commonly used definitions of bodily autonomy, because those are the sources I used to define bodily autonomy. Key word: body Both of those sources you have quoted me do not support your definition of bodily autonomy. While the first definition you have provided relies on an arbitrary definition, the second definition you have provided is quite accurate. A man still has full governance over his body while under financial obligation, which I have explained multipl…
/r/MensRights01/10/21 07:48 PM
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The principle should be the same as it is for sex or any business contract: she is not entitled to his money unless he has explicitly given his prior consent. She can't sign him up to co-pay a mortgage without his consent and she should not be able to force him into $103,000 of child support liability without his consent. I'm not too sure what you're arguing here. I agree with financial abortion upon the legal grounds I have provided above. However, the idea that two people choose to bring a chi…
/r/MensRights01/10/21 07:46 PM
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There is separate legislature for each state. However, as stated by the National Conference of State Legislature, there are only 34 states that offer the ability for a custodial parent to terminate the parental rights of the non-custodial parent pursuant of a sexual offense. Some states only allow rape to the first degree, some states require a conviction, or some states offer exemptions based on separate grounds. No state is the exact same. However, I can compile a list below of state laws: Sta…
/r/MensRights01/10/21 07:42 PM
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All of the statistics are sourced above if you bother to actually read them. Yes, that's a good thing. Yeah! Fuck those kids! Let them all suffer in poverty, including the mother to your child. — Typical MRA, am I right? Like? Duluth? Not even going to bother entertaining the whataboutism escape you've attempted there. The Duluth Model isn't even widely practiced within the US. Look up Gabby Petito and what happened to her. Perhaps the Duluth Model would've been useful in that situation ¯\ (ツ) /…
/r/MensRights30/09/21 07:43 PM
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It's just ironic that a men's rights activist is arguing that the patriarchy is a tribalist theory lmao.
/r/MensRights30/09/21 07:34 PM
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Why are you a men’s rights activist then? Lmao
/r/MensRights30/09/21 07:09 PM
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In short, the men's rights movement and its activists have: Combatted against women's liberation and opposed women's entry into the labour market and social and legal institutions. Advocated to completely abolish legal protections for women. Advocated against marriage and family laws and the requirement to pay spousal and child support to former wives and children. Actively opposed rape laws and protections of female rape victims in cases such as date rape and marital rape. Actively opposed and …
/r/MensRights30/09/21 07:08 PM
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The patriarchy is a system. I’m not educating you on such a complex topic.
/r/MensRights30/09/21 07:05 PM
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I never claimed Karen DeCrow was ostracised for supporting the “financial abortion”. SHE, however, certainly believed she was ostracised for her support for shared custody. Do you have a source for this? I didn’t claim it was legal due to feminist activism. I did claim, however, that feminism was NOT campaigning to make it illegal. In your own words: "A feminist argued against it. A feminist argued against the mattress girl's campaign. A feminist (Sommers) has argued that there is systemic discr…
/r/MensRights26/09/21 06:58 PM
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Because your presumptions are wrong and often parroted by MRA groups based on poor methodological responses, that's why I'm defending it. It's not just the fact that many participants dropped out of the response study that taints its validity. There are a wide array of measures that have been questioned by many opposing sources. You can read the full NIJ study here and you can find criticism for it here. There was another study criticising the response elsewhere, but I have since lost it after r…
/r/MensRights26/09/21 06:57 PM
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Doesn’t matter. You can’t argue that one is toxic and then ignore the toxicity of another. That’s what we call ‘hypocrisy’.
/r/AntiFeminists26/09/21 05:44 PM
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You don’t have to be psychic to acknowledge that we live in a patriarchy — that’s the pill anti-feminists and MRA’s refuse to swallow.
/r/MensRights26/09/21 05:44 PM
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The law doesn’t jail women for having abortions, idiot. That’s far from my point. You’re conflating liberty with bodily autonomy.
/r/MensRights26/09/21 05:42 PM
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Part two Along with Paul Elam, Warren Farrell — a men's rights activist — is one of the primary front banners of r/mensrights, a man who has expressed many anti-feminist theories and propagates on the idea that male power is an illusion, and women are the true holders of power in society through their roles as the primary caregivers of children. Some of Warren Farrell's can be seen below: In Warren Farrell's eyes, a man paying for a woman's date and not getting sex in return is seen as incompreh…
/r/MensRights26/09/21 05:38 PM
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You're right, misogyny, male supremacy, and opposition to women's rights have never negatively impacted women. /s If you want a full comprehensive list of how the men's rights movement has negatively affected women, all you need to do is look up the history of the movement and the majority of engagement in the r/mensrights subreddit. But since you seem incapable of that, I'll do it for you. Part one Many scholars describe the men's rights movement as a backlash against feminism. As part of the m…
/r/MensRights26/09/21 05:36 PM
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It’s literally in this thread alone. See here and here.
/r/AntiFeminists25/09/21 05:11 PM
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Part Two There have been cases where underage boys have been forced to give up their chance to go to university, because once they turn 18 they are forced to start making payments on the child support they owe to their rapist, with interest, and their families are too poor to make those payments for them while they continue their schooling. I'd love to read up on these cases. I know they exist, such as this one here, but I'm looking for one specific to what you're describing above. As far as chi…
/r/MensRights25/09/21 05:06 PM
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Part one There are a lot of assumptions within your entire argument, but I'll try my best to respond to them all. Just to clarify with this statement: But you feminists won't even consider that option. You think women's desire to satisfy their wishes and whims is the most important thing in the world. So important that you would force an underage boy into a financial liability of $103,000 (on average), just so a woman as detestable as a female pedophile is able to live her best life with the bab…
/r/MensRights25/09/21 05:05 PM
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The irony in calling feminism a toxic community while simultaneously engaging in a subreddit that panders to incels who believe in state-issued wives.
/r/AntiFeminists25/09/21 04:06 PM
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Yes, ik, but feminism sometimes acts like only misogyny exists only and its so fucking disgusting. I believe those sort of feminists are the same as liberals who believe racism against white people doesn't exist because it isn't systematic. Regardless, I agree that they're wrong. Practically any country that has feminism as a guide on the government is still "fighting against the pathriarchy", Spain and UK being the most relevant cases, this is why i say the "on the practice searches supremacy".…
/r/AntiFeminists24/09/21 02:03 PM
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No one is taking away a man’s bodily autonomy. I believe the misinformation you are perpetuating here is your lack of understanding of the system of child support enforcement, bodily autonomy, and fundamental human rights. Hypothetically, if a person was forced to work in order to ensure their payments, what you are describing is an imposition of liberty, not bodily autonomy. For example, prisoners still have bodily autonomy and the right to consent to medical procedures despite being incarcerat…
/r/MensRights24/09/21 01:05 PM
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The Duluth Model is an intervention programme founded by Ellen Pence, not a legal systematic approach to domestic violence. However, I strongly disagree with the idea that it's ineffective. A US study published in 2002 sponsored by the federal government found that batterers who complete programs based on the Duluth Model are less likely to repeat acts of domestic violence than those who do not complete any batterers interventions program. A 2003 longitudinal, four-year evaluation by E W Gondolf…
/r/MensRights24/09/21 01:03 PM
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My guy, you've just repeated yourself here. Read the full discussion. I'm asking for a source for your claim that feminism is the reason why sperm jacking isn't illegal. As far as I'm aware, stealthing isn't illegal either, which I would argue is the female version of sperm jacking. I've been recently reading up on Karen DeCrow, and I don't recall her receiving backlash for her activism by feminists, but if it was due to financial abortion, it could be because it creates a vulnerability of finan…
/r/MensRights24/09/21 01:02 PM
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Let me know when the MRM establishes legislation for men's rights instead of sulking about how feminism hasn't instead. Considering that the men's rights movement emerged as a direct backlash against women's rights movements in the late 1850's, at a time when women literally couldn't even vote -- you're right, I don't think it's two sides of the same coin. I think MRM is much, much worse.
/r/MensRights24/09/21 12:50 PM
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This may be a repeat here but… bodily autonomy is not arbitrary. If what you are describing is truly an imposition of bodily rights, then no one would have to work or do anything in society. Except that's not a definition of bodily autonomy. Hypothetically, if a person was forced to work in order to ensure their payments, what you are describing is an imposition of liberty, not bodily autonomy. For example, prisoners still have bodily autonomy and the right to consent to medical procedures despi…
/r/MensRights24/09/21 12:50 PM
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By sad, I mean pathetic in a sense that it demonstrates the blatant lack of equality across the board of female representatives despite the issue of concern predominately affecting women's rights. If the board primarily consisted of women, I can wholeheartedly say that the bill would've never been signed.
/r/MensRights24/09/21 12:49 PM
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Thanks to feminists, incels can’t get away with publicly claiming they want to rape virgin little girls and claiming that “femoids” aren’t human and deserve to be killed. Your comment history is public, vile scum.
/r/AntiFeminists23/09/21 11:49 AM
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Found the incel ^
/r/AntiFeminists23/09/21 11:47 AM
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Thanks for proving my point, buddy. This is going absolutely nowhere and you’ve just copied and pasted what I’ve told you. Have a good day.
/r/MensRights23/09/21 11:44 AM
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Globally feminism is still required for fighting against most of this issues, but at the same time, the reality use to be more near to sexism than misoginy. Misogyny is just sexism towards women. on the practice is proven that feminism always searches supremacy at the end, after all, all the countries were feminism were more accepted are casually the ones that least cares about mens issues. I've asked several times how feminism seeks supremacy, and you're yet to validate that claim. I think you'…
/r/AntiFeminists23/09/21 11:41 AM
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Again, there's not a pathriarchy, at least not globally, if it was, womans couldn't be able to have any jobs or have any kind of freedom, which they has already (not on all countries, but most of all), it's sexism, misoginy or culture, Pathriarchy is a system where only the oldest males has political power, we don't live on a pathriarchy but misoginy and inequalities still exists, this doesn't happen due to the pathriarchy, the world IS inequal itself, even without pathriarchy. You don't underst…
/r/AntiFeminists23/09/21 11:41 AM
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The sad thing about your deflection is… there’ll never and never has been a time where 78 women and 4 men have voted to enforce medical procedures on men within an entire state.
/r/MensRights22/09/21 09:42 AM
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Part Two They should be, simple as that. I don't give a crap what a psychopath thinks matters. All innocent human beings deserve life. The rest of your facade is all regurgitated verbal diarrhoea that relies on the falsehood of preaching moral ethics while simultaneously demonstrating none of your own. I'm not pro-choice because I'm pro-abortion; I'm pro-choice because I believe in mitigating the abortion rate through the proper procedures that have been proven to be the most effective and don't…
/r/MensRights22/09/21 09:26 AM
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Part One Before I address your argument above, I'd like to clarify here. Are you against abortion for all instances, including disability, incest, and life endangerment? It absolutely is not. Making assumptions is for fools. I'm not talking about any country other than the USA, and Guttmacher is just one source among many. It's not an assumption, this is a statistical study based on global evidence. However, if you're claiming it's an assumption on US measures, it's ironic to make that claim whe…
/r/MensRights22/09/21 09:25 AM
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TL;DR I would engage in discussion with you, but you've already proven that you're adamant on dismissing any instance where feminism has helped men, like the true anti-feminist you are. Complete lack of critical thinking skills and complete lack of self-awareness. There's nothing new there. I'm not going to get a meaningful discussion out of someone who blames feminists for laws created by men, so I'll direct you to the post below which provides a comprehensive list of feminist work that has hel…
/r/MensRights22/09/21 07:58 AM
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I've already addressed this blatant misinformation in another comment. But it seems to you that you're adamant on arguing the same issue in several other posts.
/r/MensRights22/09/21 07:51 AM
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I would counterargue your smooth-brained remark, but you jumping onto each one of my individual discussions and inserting yourself is extremely obnoxious, and if I did engage with you, I'd only be entertaining your idiocy. Like Jesus Christ, is this all you do all day? Whine about feminists? How the fuck do you have so little going on in your life? Goodbye.
/r/MensRights22/09/21 07:50 AM
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This is a begging the question fallacy. You are still conflating bodily responsibilities with financial responsibilities. Child support is incomparable to a woman who is obligated to carry her pregnancy to term, because your financial duties are not an imposition of your bodily autonomy. If you believe it is, however, I strongly suggest you learn what bodily autonomy is. To expound on this point, both parents in this scenario have financial obligation to their child outside of the womb. While yo…
/r/MensRights22/09/21 07:50 AM
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Are you incapable of basic comprehension? Let me read it out for you again: My comment is specific to reproductive law in the case of abortion. We are talking about abortion. I'm sorry you're too socially inept to understand situational context, though. Fortunately for you, it's only obnoxious for others. Also, the Senate 8 bill is actively affecting women today. The conscription law is not. Completely irrelevant.
/r/MensRights22/09/21 07:49 AM
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It's always amusing when men's rights activists think they're in the position to criticise other movements as sexist when their entire movement consists of espoused hatred towards women. Radical feminism and MRA's are two sides of the same coin. Let me put it like this... https://goodmenproject.com/ethics-values/dismantling-the-mens-rights-movement/ That link is filled to the brim with instances of misogyny within MRA's from the beginning to the end. It's far from a "pro-men movement", but that …
/r/MensRights22/09/21 07:46 AM
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So no source then? Thought so. I'm not blaming men for the Senate 8 bill, however, it's disingenuous to claim that the criticism of men policing women's bodies is unwarranted. You made the claim that more women voted for the Texas Heartbeat Bill than men, which is objectively false. Republicans don't care for women's rights, and last time I checked, a man introduced the bill, a man signed the bill into effect, and the 82 lawmakers who voted yes to the bill were all overwhelmingly men and majorit…
/r/MensRights21/09/21 09:36 AM
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I'm not blaming men for the Senate 8 bill, however, it's disingenuous to claim that the criticism of men policing women's bodies is unwarranted. You made the claim that more women voted for the Texas Heartbeat Bill than men, which is objectively false. Republicans don't care for women's rights, and last time I checked, a man introduced the bill, a man signed the bill into effect, and the 82 lawmakers who voted yes to the bill were all overwhelmingly men and majority of women on the board voted a…
/r/AntiFeminists21/09/21 09:35 AM
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Are you sure about that? Last time I checked, the Democratic party aren't the one's taking away women's fundamental human rights or opposing social safety nets that mitigate the abortion issue. If the Republican party cared about reducing the abortion rate outside of moral inconsistencies, could you explain to me why they advocate against the social safety nets and policies that greatly reduce abortion numbers across the US? Republicans (and most pro-lifers) are against universal healthcare, com…
/r/MensRights21/09/21 08:50 AM
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You not giving a shit about it doesn’t make it disappear for everyone else. I'd be interested to know how men's lives are affected on a daily basis by blue-haired rad fems and their espoused hatred online. But since you want to use the select few as an example of the entirety of feminism, you should have no issue with women disliking men's rights groups, which is two sides of the same coin. There is a growing element of supremacism in feminism, demonstrating it is not by definition about equalit…
/r/AntiFeminists21/09/21 08:46 AM
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LOL you really pulled up a daily motion video to prove that feminism condones misandry. Do you want me to pull up hundreds of social media articles that surround themselves with misogyny? Let’s go even further and name all the incel, MGTOW, and anti-women groups that perpetuate dangerous levels of sexism towards women.
/r/AntiFeminists21/09/21 08:39 AM
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The issue with your argument is that you're conflating bodily autonomy for financial obligation. Bodily autonomy is not arbitrary. By your own standards, no one should have to work because you believe financial obligation is an imposition of bodily autonomy. However, it's not. Which is why we have to work to meet our financial obligation whether that's rent, food, clothing, tax, or child support. Child support is incomparable to a woman who is obligated to carry her pregnancy to term, because yo…
/r/MensRights21/09/21 08:37 AM
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I think it's deeply saddening that your incentive to take away fundamental human rights against women is based on animosity, and it truly shows an act of regressive thinking. Former president Karen Decrow of the feminist organisation National Organisation for Women advocates for financial abortion, which is the concept where the alleged father should have the right to relinquish all future parental rights and financial responsibility when a woman becomes pregnant with his child. https://www.thea…
/r/MensRights21/09/21 08:29 AM
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Could you provide me a source that states sperm jacking is illegal because a feminist argued against it? If this is true, and a feminist is the reason sperm jacking is illegal, feminists must have a lot of power.
/r/MensRights21/09/21 08:24 AM
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It is even bolded like that. Hahahaha. I specifically stated the two ways a male victim could avoid paying child support within the court system. The first was Nevada. Would you like me to provide you with legislation from each state? Because I can assure you they are all the exact same, and if not, very similar. My point is that both situations have very limited options, and it's nonsensical to compare the two when everyone's circumstances are different. Child support payments are not a fair co…
/r/AntiFeminists21/09/21 08:20 AM
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What’s ironic is citing an anti-feminist opinionated piece to ‘prove’ why feminism is a supremacy movement. I could find opposing opinionated pieces from several feminist subreddits, menslib, neolib, etc that go directly against yours. Learn how to validate your argument beyond linking me to a MRA subreddit. To claim that feminism hasn’t gone to great lengths to achieve the liberation of both men and women is just disingenuous.
/r/AntiFeminists20/09/21 03:52 PM
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Part Two Poverty 80% of single parents are women and one third are living below the poverty line. source Women are more likely than men to be living under the poverty line globally. source Globally, women aged 25-34 are 25% more likely than men to face extreme poverty. Most of these women lack access to social protection and public services that would provide them with sustainable routes out of poverty. source Women and girls are disproportionately affected by a lack of access to water, sanitati…
/r/AntiFeminists20/09/21 03:49 PM
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The issue with your argument is that you're claiming feminism is seeking for supremacy but you don't go on to validate this claim with any substantial evidence of such. Dismantling the patriarchy isn't a sign of 'supremacy' no more than seeking equality is. The patriarchy still exists, even in the West. It's systematic. In regards to why feminism is important globally, are you aware that there are only ten countries in the world which offer full legal protections to women? (source) No country ha…
/r/AntiFeminists20/09/21 03:49 PM
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Financial responsibility isn’t an infringement of bodily autonomy. I have already illustrated why in a separate comment. Quit spamming me.
/r/MensRights20/09/21 12:58 PM
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Financial obligation isn’t an infringement of bodily autonomy.
/r/MensRights20/09/21 12:57 PM
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I should clarify that I believe abortion is an option in the case of rape, incest, or the life of the mother being at risk. I thank you for having compassion for rape victims and life endangerment; not a lot of pro-life individuals do. However, how does the government determine whether a woman is raped in order to allow her to legally seek an abortion? That being said, I could flip that around and ask you why you believe in infringing on that person’s right to life simply because the woman decid…
/r/MensRights20/09/21 04:56 AM
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My comment is specific to reproductive laws in the case of abortion. You've used whataboutism to deflect onto conscription twice now. Neither my male friends, brother, father, or grandfather were in the war. So who exactly within this era is being forced to fight for our country?
/r/MensRights19/09/21 06:16 AM
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And?
/r/MensRights19/09/21 06:15 AM
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I'm sorry, buddy.. but an MRA post isn't going to cut it. I could cite the opposite from feminist subreddits, menslib, or neolib that argue against your source, and I could cite several sources that explain why the men's rights movement is misogynistic. There are several branches of feminism. I agree that some groups of feminists exist that perpetuate regressive sexism towards men. But that isn't enough to generalise an entire movement.
/r/MensRights19/09/21 06:15 AM
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Are you able to provide me a source for who voted for the heartbeat bill in 2020? Or who voted for abortion restrictions in recent years of Texas? Otherwise, your argument is moot.
/r/MensRights19/09/21 06:14 AM
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Financial obligation is not the same as bodily obligation. You are conflating financial responsibility with bodily autonomy due to your lack of understanding of what bodily autonomy is. I agree that the US law that allows a rapist to sue a rape victim for child support is deplorable, however, your bank account is not an extension of your body.
/r/MensRights19/09/21 06:14 AM
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I'm not advocating for restrictive, I'm advocating for a complete ban. Restrictions may well drive them up. Bans, however, reduce abortions. The citation you're quoting is a Guttmacher Institute and World Health Organisation study on countries with a total ban on abortion, with some only allowing exemption for life endangerment. If you don't know what you're talking about, then I suggest you shouldn't be engaging in political debates or advocating for laws that restrict abortion access. As for m…
/r/MensRights19/09/21 05:27 AM
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You're objectively false, and you would see this if you simply looked into the studies I've provided. Not only is the abortion rate slightly higher in restrictive countries (37 versus 34 abortions each year for ever 1,000 women aged 15 to 44), but the rate of maternal deaths is also higher, including mortality from unsafe abortion procedures which jump from 1% in non-restrictive countries to 37% in restrictive countries, as stated by the World Health Organisation review of abortion laws. "Across…
/r/MensRights18/09/21 11:32 AM
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I haven't changed the subject. I asked you a question that's relevant to the subject. How do men lack rights to bodily autonomy? The topic we're discussing is in regards to pregnancy. A man has the right to walk away from the pregnancy at any given time. He is not forced to share custody, therefore your argument is moot.
/r/MensRights18/09/21 09:47 AM
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Sterilisation is a form of permanent contraception intended to prevent unwanted pregnancy. The issue with your response is that you believe that I'm claiming that mandatory sterilisation is exactly analogous with abortion procedures, but that's not what I'm arguing at all. Yes, it's a vindictive comparison, but that's what the user hopes to achieve with her response to abortion outlaw. I'm not condoning it, either. In regards to your last point about both parties being sterilised, that would mea…
/r/MensRights18/09/21 09:45 AM
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That’s a 2018 source. My source is from 2021. Guess I win.
/r/AntiFeminists18/09/21 07:33 AM
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Half of your "list" is perceived sexism and the other half are cherry-picked examples. See what I did there? On a serious note, though; you've gone down the trope where you've decided to weaponize a form of whataboutism to deflect from the sexism that women face and instead compare women's struggles against men's. What are you hoping to achieve through this comment? You asked me what sexism women face in society, and I provided you with a list of many examples that can be validated through credi…
/r/AntiFeminists18/09/21 07:25 AM
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Let me clarify. When I say "true feminism", I'm referring to a separate branch of feminism that advocates for equality as opposed to separate branches, such as right-winged (or traditional) feminism and radical feminism. I'm not denying that there are certain feminist groups that are harmful to men and that there are certain individuals who use the movement as a cover to espouse hatred towards men, and that such animosity is integral to true understanding and full participation in feminism. Ther…
/r/MensRights18/09/21 07:15 AM
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Roe v. Wade determines in legislature that an abortion after 24 weeks can only be performed in cases of life endangerment towards the mother. This is because the fetus is viable outside of the womb at 24 weeks, and possesses all the qualities of life, such as consciousness, reaction to stimuli, and ample brain activity. According to the CDC, 92% of abortions are performed before 13 weeks and only 1% are performed after 20 weeks within the US.
/r/MensRights18/09/21 06:57 AM
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Please explain to me how women are infringing on men's bodily autonomy.
/r/MensRights18/09/21 06:52 AM
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Former president and attorney Karen Decrow of the feminist organisation National Organisation for Women is a strong supporter and spokesperson for men’s rights, advocating for men’s parental rights, such as child custody decisions, rebuttal presumption of shared custody after divorce, and reproductive rights such as financial abortion, asserting that men should be allowed the decision not to become a parent. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_DeCrow#Career_and_activism
/r/MensRights18/09/21 06:51 AM
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Agreed. Thanks for being civil.
/r/AntiFeminists18/09/21 06:50 AM
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You're right, no one is forcing women to become pregnant, but they are forcing women to carry their pregnancy to term and forcing them to give birth when they take away their medical rights and bodily autonomy. Also, every time someone mentions contraception within the abortion debate, they simply make themselves look uninformed, since majority of women who terminate their pregnancy report using some form of contraception.
/r/MensRights18/09/21 06:48 AM
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No it isn't. Vasectomy is more analogous to hysterectomy, not equal in every respect, but most similar. Abortion is a termination of a pregnancy, a vasectomy is sterilisation. Read my comment again: “Mandatory vasectomy is the closest comparison one can make to the male sex having their bodily rights infringed for the sake of preventing abortions (unintended pregnancies)” The point is not that they are perfectly analogous, but that it's the closest comparison one can make that results in the pre…
/r/MensRights18/09/21 06:44 AM
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What are you talking about?
/r/AntiFeminists18/09/21 06:36 AM
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Equality isn't limited to rights, neither is social oppression. Legality does not eradicate system sexism or misogyny. However, for argument's sake, are you referring to the West or globally?
/r/AntiFeminists18/09/21 06:35 AM
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Why would you ever think that I’d read an anti-feminist source?
/r/AntiFeminists18/09/21 06:32 AM
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I’m unsure what year the table he’s cited is from, but the same source states that in 2021, more men than women are pro-life. See here
/r/MensRights18/09/21 06:30 AM
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I don’t think a man has ever had to go through something as comparable as a girl being beaten, raped, and then forced to give birth to their rapists child by being subjected to one of the most painful and dangerous experience that they will ever go through within their lifetime.
/r/MensRights18/09/21 06:27 AM
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Where did I argue that?
/r/AntiFeminists17/09/21 05:54 PM
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I’m talking about the Senate 8 bill, not the house bill, not the Alabama bill.. the senate 8 bill.
/r/AntiFeminists17/09/21 05:48 PM
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Yes, there are "outs" that are just as limited as "outs" for a female rape victim, as I have discussed above. See here. I told you the outs a male victim has. They are far more limited than the options a female victim has. I thought you weren't condoning the "who has it worse" trope? The hypocrisy you display in each one of your comments is comical. The options you have provided for female rape victims are deplorable. As illustrated above, the absolute earliest a woman is able to find out whethe…
/r/AntiFeminists17/09/21 05:41 PM
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Just look into who introduced the bill and who voted it into legislation of Supreme Court.
/r/AntiFeminists17/09/21 05:38 PM
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According to this source, more men than women are pro-life. Burden of evidence is on you.
/r/AntiFeminists17/09/21 03:20 PM
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Sure, buddy. Keep telling yourself that. You got called out for your hypocrisy and ran away. I guess critical thinking skills aren't your strong suit.
/r/MensRights17/09/21 03:17 PM
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All this is pointing me towards is that the pro-life movement is close to equal in regards to gender. I never argued that the abortion issue is a men versus women issue, so again, stop putting words in my mouth. You have the tendency to do that and it's obnoxious. In a separate study, more men than women believe that abortion laws should be more strict. See here. I think the primary issue that people see is that those who signed this bill into legislation were male politicians.
/r/AntiFeminists17/09/21 03:15 PM
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Yeah no, you've just decided to randomly join a discussion with zero context. That comment has nothing to do with rape and was actually me imitating his previous stance. Please see here for the full discussion. The emotional appeal argument I'm referencing is in regards to his previous quotes, which I have cited in the comment I've linked you to if you want to clarify.
/r/MensRights17/09/21 03:09 PM
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A raped woman doesn't know she had unprotected sex? Is that your argument? My argument is displayed above; many women are completely unaware that they are pregnant within 6 weeks of gestational age. I'm unsure why you're utilising a strawman fallacy to misconstrue my statement. A woman doesn't automatically become pregnant after having unprotected sex. Do you understand how reproduction works? Gestational age of pregnancy is measured from the first day of a woman's last menstrual period, not the…
/r/AntiFeminists17/09/21 03:04 PM
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I pointed out your hypocrisies here, which you have since abandoned the discussion. You can’t cherry-pick and weaponise “emotional appeal” whenever it suits you, but deny the trauma it may have on the woman. Who cares if the man’s child exists in the world? If he’s willing to abort it then it shouldn’t be too hard for him to walk off from the pregnancy.
/r/MensRights17/09/21 01:15 PM
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I was arguing with him here, but after being called out on his hypocrisy, he abandoned the discussion and decided to move onto you I guess lmao
/r/MensRights17/09/21 01:12 PM
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Or you are always downplaying male suffering and screaming women have it worse when they don't and I am calling you out on it... Please quote me on where I have downplayed male suffering and "screamed" that women have it worse than men. I feel like this is a sense of projection, since that's what you have been doing this entire time. The rest of your argument is all word vomit that relies on whataboutism to insensitively compare women's trauma to men's. I'm not arguing that the circumstances of …
/r/AntiFeminists17/09/21 01:01 PM
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I'm looking for a source that's specific to the Senate 8 bill in Texas, which none of those citations provide me. I'm unsure what year his gallup source is from, but that same site states that in 2021 more men are pro-life than women here
/r/MensRights17/09/21 12:55 PM
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I'm asking why you believe in infringing on a woman's fundamental human rights for the sake of a cellular organism the size of a grain of rice with zero awareness of its existence.
/r/MensRights17/09/21 12:52 PM
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Campaigned to broaden the legal definition of rape in the US to include male rape victims. The law has always excluded this specific cause of female-on-male rape. Feminists are not the result of this; the legal system is. You're being extremely disingenuous and insinuating that feminism is at fault for the US rape laws. The law that feminism did successfully advocate for, which is one step in the right direction, is the broadened definition of rape to include male rape victims. You cannot mitiga…
/r/MensRights17/09/21 12:50 PM
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I've argued about you with this before. You're very active in MRA groups and tend to copy and paste standard responses to others. All you're doing is using whataboutism to deflect from the topic of women's suffering, and you're trying to argue to me about who lacks empathy? Do you genuinely lack all self-awareness? For argument's sake, though, I would argue that paying a small deductible fee from your taxable income is much less traumatic than a rape victim being subjected to one of the most pai…
/r/AntiFeminists17/09/21 12:19 PM
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Men have the right to bodily autonomy. What you should be arguing for is financial abortion, but no, you want to instead argue that men should be able to impose on a woman’s bodily rights based on an “emotional appeal”. I can’t believe you’re still pushing this bullshit.
/r/MensRights17/09/21 11:37 AM
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The reason sperm jacking isn’t illegal isn’t because of feminists. Stealthing isn’t even illegal in the US. Look up Karen Decrow, a feminist attorney and spokesperson who advocated for illegalising sperm theft.
/r/MensRights17/09/21 11:32 AM
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I’d love to see a source for this. Many people have cited this without validating these claims.
/r/AntiFeminists17/09/21 09:53 AM
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The sources are right there, you can simply take a look for yourself and see. Many of these issues were exclusionary for men if that's what you're asking. However, I do agree that many of the advantages of true feminism is that its advocation for equality also benefit men. This is evident when we look at behavioural studies and see that living in a country with gender equality benefits men’s health and shows up as lower mortality rates, higher well-being, half the risk of being depressed, higher…
/r/MensRights17/09/21 09:52 AM
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Systemic sexism presents itself in many ways, but the most common examples I can think of on the top of my head is normalised misogyny, whether it's through subconscious bias, or social norms. Society perceives men as the default in terms that they are more competent, more rational or logical, more fit for problem solving, and more fit for management than women. This is seen in several areas below: Women are vastly under-represented in politics, business, media, and the public sphere in general.…
/r/AntiFeminists17/09/21 09:48 AM
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Nothing of what you've said above validates the claim that feminism is a female supremacy movement. You said it yourself; feminism is fundamentally a women's rights movement that pushes towards equality. As long as the movement advocates for equality, this isn't enough of a basis to go off of that it'll eventually push towards supremacy. In regards to the mention of a matriarchy and "kill all men", I couldn't give a shit what militant radical feminists think. They do not represent the entirety o…
/r/AntiFeminists17/09/21 08:39 AM
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A man has never been forced to give birth to their rapists child, but nice try buddy. I’ve argued with you before and you’ve since abandoned that discussion.
/r/AntiFeminists17/09/21 08:08 AM
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The article you are citing is a pro-life source. I haven't read it and don't care to read it because it's objectively false. Consciousness cannot emerge before 24 gestational weeks when the thalamocortical connections from the sense organs are established. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25160864/ It's not the embryos fault that the woman does not recognize the pregnancy earlier. It's not the woman's fault the embryo isn't viable outside of the womb. If a woman is really that desperate about not…
/r/MensRights17/09/21 07:56 AM
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I do agree with you here. But IMO strict anti-abortions laws should be installed nevertheless. No, you don't agree with me. You believe in counterproductive abortion laws that negatively impact women's health as opposed to the proper procedures that act as a long-term solution to the abortion rate. I've explained in a previous comment how abortion restrictions provide little to no effect. But they should be. Of course it's not a fully developed human being yet but it will be one. For me life beg…
/r/AntiFeminists17/09/21 05:36 AM
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It's always amusing when men go down the "women are inherent liars" route when they are presented with statistical evidence that doesn't align with their views. There is no incentive for women to lie an anonymous survey, but sure. Whatever suits your narrative I guess. (By the way, most have evidence of prescription pills, too)
/r/AntiFeminists17/09/21 05:03 AM
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This is a false equivalency based on an uncommon hypothetical. While yes, there are rare circumstances where a woman is completely unaware that they are pregnant within the third trimester, this isn't a reflection of the majority of the population. The gestational age of pregnancy is based on a woman's last period, therefore the earliest a woman is able to find out she is pregnant is at four weeks. Most over-the-counter pregnancy tests can only identify pregnancy hormones within 4-6 weeks at the…
/r/MensRights17/09/21 05:02 AM
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It's very much not. I'm going to explain to you in a detailed yet simple form of how it is below. Feel free to read.. or don't. It's up to you to educate yourself. In order to decrease the abortion rate, it’s important to recognise that illegalising abortion does not prevent abortion and is counterproductive and ineffective. This may seem illogical considering how contentious of an issue the legal case for abortion is, however, the number of abortions per year has been consistently decreasing si…
/r/MensRights17/09/21 04:43 AM
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How does a man lack rights to bodily autonomy? Because he cannot govern a woman's body? I'm sorry, but you have a very flawed interpretation of bodily rights.
/r/MensRights17/09/21 04:35 AM
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No ones denying that. It’s not his body, though. He does not have the right to infringe on her bodily autonomy.
/r/MensRights17/09/21 04:28 AM
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You just love stalking all of my comments, don't you? You're lucky I argue in good faith. I'll provide my response below. In order to decrease the abortion rate, it’s important to recognise that illegalising abortion does not prevent abortion and is counterproductive and ineffective. This may seem illogical considering how contentious of an issue the legal case for abortion is, however, the number of abortions per year has been consistently decreasing since 1990. In 1990, there were nearly 1.5 m…
/r/AntiFeminists16/09/21 04:17 PM
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Buddy, I'm not claiming he holds contempt for women because he's anti-feminist. I'm claiming he holds contempt for women because he's praising a law that hurts female rape victims and enables rapists actions against women. Although there's no point arguing with you on this topic since you stated previously that you believe any woman who consents to sex is also consenting to rape. I'm not here to convince this person of anything. It's not difficult to see he's not looking to engage in an exchange…
/r/AntiFeminists16/09/21 04:13 PM
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So what? Laws are different all over the globe, I don't need to check a laws first before having an opinion. I'd be questioning your motives if you don't believe reproductive coercion or forceful impregnation should constitute as rape. The laws I'm referring to are protected by the United Nations. Because you make it sound as if abstaining from sex (more precisely from penetration) when you don't want to get pregnant is something so immensely dramatic that no woman can be expected to do. Society…
/r/AntiFeminists16/09/21 04:08 PM
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I wish this was actually happening Found the misogynist. You pre-choicers are too, when you decide to abort the child because this means you infringe the bodily autonomy of the unborn baby. You just like to ignore this fact because the baby obviously cannot decide for himself because it is not fully developed yet and because it needs the mother's body in order to stay alive. Before I address your argument above, I'd like to clarify my premise. While I do identify as pro-choice, this shouldn't be…
/r/AntiFeminists16/09/21 04:08 PM
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A great reason why anti-abortion laws are wrong is because they’re proven to be counterproductive and ineffective, but as soon as I point this out, pro-lifers abandon discussion.
/r/AntiFeminists16/09/21 02:05 PM
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What’s worse? Pointing out that someone is evidently a sociopath, or someone enabling rape?
/r/AntiFeminists16/09/21 02:04 PM
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I just explained why it's not fair; because most women are completely unaware that they are pregnant within 6 weeks. Gestational age of pregnancy is calculated from the last date of menstruation, not the time from conception. The earliest an over-the-counter pregnancy test will show positive results is at 4 weeks. Majority of women who terminate their pregnancy report using some form of contraception. The issue with unwanted pregnancies is that most women are completely unaware that their birth …
/r/MensRights16/09/21 01:10 PM
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“No it’s not” - great counterargument!
/r/MensRights16/09/21 01:01 PM
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You literally just said it yourself, buddy. Completely lack of morals. It doesn’t surprise me, though, since most men are sociopaths and raging narcissists.
/r/AntiFeminists16/09/21 01:01 PM
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Why?
/r/MensRights16/09/21 01:00 PM
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See for yourself. List of things feminism has done for men's rights: ⁠Campaigned to broaden the legal definition of rape in the US to include male rape victims. In the spring of 2011, Ms., the Feminist Majority Foundation, and the Women’s Law Project initiated a campaign to change the over-80-year-old definition of “forcible rape” to a broader definition. Using online resources, feminists bombarded the Department of Justice and the FBI with thousands of emails demanding a definition that reflect…
/r/MensRights16/09/21 11:02 AM
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You've just repeated the same arguing point without providing any substance to it. Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy. I am explaining to you that forceful impregnation and reproductive coercion constitutes as a form of rape by law. By claiming that a woman consents to pregnancy every time she engages in sex, you are claiming that reproductive coercion and rape does not exist, which is downright indefensible. You keep repeating this "women should face the consequences of their action" tr…
/r/AntiFeminists16/09/21 11:01 AM
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Ah, okay. It's evident you're just another male who holds contempt for women and masks their hatred through labelling themselves as "anti-feminist". How regressive do you have to be to praise a state for forcing rape victims to give birth against their will? Jesus Christ.
/r/AntiFeminists16/09/21 10:53 AM
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I'll have to disagree with you on that one. She's very evidently expressing frustration for the lack of consequences that men face for engaging in the same sexual activities as women. It's a rhetorical statement that's designed to reverse the logic to make men understand how uncomfortable it would be if the law mandated their bodies instead of just women's bodies in order to prevent abortion (unintended pregnancies). I don't know if you're pro-choice or pro-life, which is why I'm confused.
/r/MensRights16/09/21 10:51 AM
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Why is it that every time feminism is mentioned, men want to mitigate from its importance by claiming women "have enough rights" when it's very evident that there is still systemic sexism, social oppression, and a lack of equality in the West. I mean, just this month Texas made it legal for a girl to be forced to give birth to her rapist's child. Do you think we should sweep these blatant infringement of women's rights under the rug?
/r/AntiFeminists16/09/21 10:48 AM
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Ah, so what you're saying is that as soon as a woman decided to engage in a sexual activity, she is automatically reduced to a man's property? Great logic there. We are certainly regressing towards the 1950's with that attitude. Sorry to burst your bubble, but no one has the right to make decisions, especially medical decisions, over someone else's body; men aren't exempt from this. The right to self-govern is an inalienable human right provided to individual persons. You are in support of an in…
/r/AntiFeminists16/09/21 10:44 AM
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Impregnation without consent is a form of rape. Not only do you want to take away women’s reproductive rights, but you also want to determine that any woman who consents to having sex is allowed to be impregnated against her will. How regressive of you.
/r/AntiFeminists16/09/21 10:39 AM
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Mandatory vasectomy is the closest comparison one can make to the male sex having their bodily rights infringed for the sake of preventing abortions (unintended pregnancies).
/r/MensRights16/09/21 09:58 AM
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No, I’m just genuinely confused on what exactly you’re arguing.
/r/MensRights16/09/21 09:57 AM
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Majority of women who terminate their pregnancy report using some form of contraceptive. Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy.
/r/AntiFeminists16/09/21 09:57 AM
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You’re being extremely regressive here. You’re literally openly stating that a woman has no say over her body, while a man does.
/r/AntiFeminists16/09/21 09:56 AM
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I strongly disagree with that incentive. As I can recall, abortion law use to mandate that the parents of a minor and/or the partner should be aware of the woman seeking an abortion. The reason why this restriction is no longer mandated in most states is because it creates a vulnerability of abuse of power or coercion. Abusive relationships exist. Rape victims exist. It's just a bad idea as a whole. Abortion relies on the principle of bodily autonomy. We need to come at this from a nuanced persp…
/r/AntiFeminists16/09/21 09:55 AM
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Adoption is an alternative to parenthood. Abortion is an alternative to pregnancy. It’s a bodily autonomy argument. This is a false equivalency.
/r/AntiFeminists16/09/21 09:54 AM
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Majority of women who seek to terminate their pregnancy report using some form of contraception. You’re heavily misinformed.
/r/AntiFeminists16/09/21 09:52 AM
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I strongly disagree with that incentive. As I can recall, abortion law use to mandate that the parents of a minor and/or the partner should be aware of the woman seeking an abortion. The reason why this restriction is no longer mandated in most states is because it creates a vulnerability of abuse of power or coercion. Abusive relationships exist. Rape victims exist. It's just a bad idea as a whole. At the end of the day, the abortion argument is heavily reliant on the principle of bodily autono…
/r/AntiFeminists16/09/21 09:50 AM
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A movement focusing on issues surrounding a specific group of people does not automatically insinuate that it’s a supremacy movement. This is a regressive point of view.
/r/AntiFeminists16/09/21 09:46 AM
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How is feminism a supremacy movement when its fundamental principles is equality for women? Simply because a movement doesn’t advocate for men’s rights as much as women’s rights, that does not mean it’s a supremacy movement. You haven’t validated any of these claims.
/r/AntiFeminists16/09/21 09:45 AM
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What’s ironic about this comment is that feminism has actually successfully advocated for plenty of men’s issues, but MRA’s cherry-pick what they see.
/r/MensRights16/09/21 09:39 AM
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Precisely, it is her responsibility. So why are some people adamant on taking away her choice to deal with her “responsibilities” accordingly? Also, consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy.
/r/MensRights16/09/21 09:38 AM
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I wouldn’t argue that the right to bodily autonomy is a privilege.
/r/MensRights16/09/21 09:36 AM
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I keep seeing idiot feminists use this argument, like forced vasectomies are somehow equal to, or less intrusive than voluntarily getting pregnant and carrying a fetus to term. You’re right, they aren’t equal to forced childbirth. Vasectomies are significantly less invasive, risky, and life-changing.
/r/MensRights16/09/21 09:35 AM
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Do you have a source to this? Thanks.
/r/MensRights16/09/21 09:33 AM
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The reason men don’t have any “rights” when it comes to abortion is because it’s not his body to dictate. Bodily autonomy is the primary fundament of abortion rights.
/r/MensRights16/09/21 09:32 AM
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Feminism is an equality movement. Those who disagree are heavily misinformed or just hold contempt for women’s rights (AKA men’s rights activists). Not all feminists are blue-haired screaming libtards.
/r/MensRights16/09/21 09:31 AM
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Men’s rights activists aren’t real men in my eyes, they’re brainwashed republicunts. Men, don’t want to be baby-trapped into paying child support? Stop dating thugs, marry a nice woman, start a family, and have children.
/r/MensRights16/09/21 09:29 AM
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Here here! They also chant my body my choice but screech about abortions.
/r/MensRights16/09/21 09:27 AM
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What a progressive point of view. I can tell you put a lot of thought into this one! /s On a serious note, illegalising abortion is counterproductive and ineffective. You're approaching a challenging topic with a very simplified point of view. Everyone deserves reproductive rights, both men and women. Advocating against reproductive rights would mean you advocate for rape, genital mutilation, forceful impregnation, and mandatory sterilisation, to name a few extreme examples.
/r/MensRights16/09/21 08:55 AM
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What exactly are you arguing? A bunch of word vomit.
/r/MensRights16/09/21 08:48 AM
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This isn’t a feminist, buddy. This is a MRA.
/r/MensRights16/09/21 08:48 AM
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100% agree. Sorry you’re getting downvoted for providing a nuanced perspective.
/r/MensRights16/09/21 08:45 AM
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Buddy, that’s the entire point. It’s a reversal of logic so that pro-life men understand the hypothetical where their bodily rights are infringed.
/r/MensRights16/09/21 08:44 AM
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What the fuck are you on about? Jesus Christ.
/r/MensRights16/09/21 08:42 AM
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The heartbeat bill is not a fair restriction at all. Most women are unaware that they’re pregnant at 6 weeks.
/r/MensRights16/09/21 08:29 AM
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So in turn, instead of advocating for a reform in how child support payments are enforced, your solution is to take away women’s rights and make more men pay for child support? How does that compute? The reason you don’t have a right to abortion is because you’re not the one with the ZEF inside of your body. If you’re referring to financial abortion, I’m in full support of it. However, I’m also not selfish enough to oppose abortion rights in a “if I can’t have it then no one should have it!” tro…
/r/MensRights16/09/21 08:27 AM
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Your incentive helps no one. If a woman became pregnant and wanted to abort her child, the father wouldn't be obligated to pay child support. By illegalising abortion, you aren't helping your cause; you're worsening it. More fathers will be paying child support for a pregnancy that could've been terminated on the behalf of both partners deciding they don't want a child, but now you've taken away that right by outlawing it.
/r/MensRights16/09/21 01:39 AM
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Part Two Sorry thats false. First, abortion bans save lives. Fetal lives. Second, nobody forces these women to do unsafe abortions. You cannot really blame others for your choices even if you arent enabled to do something. Third, abortion bans do lower aboriton rates. Anything that gets banned, its rate is lowered. Especially in a high tech semi-police state. Do you really think that in the age of mass surveillance, making a previously safe and legal action into a dangerous unsafe one, with a re…
/r/MensRights15/09/21 11:24 AM
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Part One While it's true academia doesn't determine intelligence, it's also important to acknowledge that lack of education results in a lack of knowledge, bias, and susceptibility to indoctrination. This is just a well-known and well-accepted fact. The easiest way to oppress and control communities is to withhold their education. Sure. First, I am convinced the PL issue isnt the most important for Reps. Maybe, second or third rate issue? It isn't a prioritised issue because, as stated above, Re…
/r/MensRights15/09/21 11:24 AM
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Assuming that your questions are genuine as opposed to rhetorical, you aren't going to like my answer. The abortion debate is a very contentious topic because it is a fundament of three subjects; politics, morals, and religion. It seems to me as if you're implying that religion isn't a contributing factor to the legality of abortion. This simply isn't true. While yes, not all persons who are pro-life are religious, the pro-life movement is a religious movement that consists of a large religious …
/r/MensRights14/09/21 09:11 AM
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Stating something stupid doesn't make it so, it is a sexual act that he didn't agree to, so yea, it is rape. Are you claiming that the man in this scenario didn't consent to sex or didn't consent to reproduction? 1) If the man didn't consent to sex, then yes, it would be rape. However, given by the previous examples you have provided me with, the man consented to engaging in intercourse, so this wouldn't apply. 2) If the man didn't consent to reproduction and neither did the woman, then no, it's…
/r/MensRights13/09/21 01:03 PM
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No. Taking rights away from people is bad. However, abortion isnt a right, its a privilege. And since women already have 100% of reproductive rights and men 0, the only way forward to make the 2 sexes more equal is to curb female reproductive privilege. You know, when you are privileged, equality feels like oppression. I sense that their is some misunderstanding that I hate women. No, thats absolutely not the case. But I would still like to argue my position without being being (falsely) named a…
/r/MensRights13/09/21 11:46 AM
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Sigh, yes you did. You said that stealthing is rape, stealthing is a man removing the condom in order to impregnate the woman against her wishes. And i even agree with that. A woman choosing to carry an unintended pregnancy to term isn't an example of stealthing, neither is it an example of rape. And how is her unawareness relevant to him consenting? Again, he did not consent to that. Neither did she consent to being impregnated. No, you are arguing that a man consents to parenthood because he h…
/r/MensRights13/09/21 11:12 AM
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So what you're telling me is that your stance consists of: Taking rights away from women and giving rights back to men = good. Taking rights away from men and giving rights back to women = bad. Does this not come from a place of inconsistency and bias incentive against women? I'm sorry "wolf Chad", but no matter how you attempt to manipulate your argument, you will never convince me, the government, or any sane person that men having control over women's body is morally right. However, I'd love …
/r/MensRights13/09/21 02:09 AM
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Sure, and thank you for being open and also accepting abortion in circumstances of rape, incest, and medical emergencies. However... How would you determine the legality in regards to abortion towards rape victims? 83% of rape in the US isn't reported, and a high amount of rape-related pregnancy is linked to interpersonal violence within abusive relationships. source Majority of women who terminate their pregnancy report using some form of contraception, so personally, I believe labelling any ot…
/r/MensRights13/09/21 02:01 AM
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I never claimed that you stated it was their preferred method of birth control. Quit strawmanning. And yes, you was incorrect. Women don’t seek a medical procedure that can cost up to $1500 and is painful for the sake of it.
/r/MensRights12/09/21 07:44 PM
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Buddy, you’re the only person within this entire thread complaining about women engaging in sex, which is literally the textbook definition of incel culture. So yes, I suppose you did win by making yourself seethe. Now go take your sexual frustrations out elsewhere. I’m done here.
/r/MensRights12/09/21 09:11 AM
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Said like a true pro-life incel. You need some serious introspection if your only advocation to take away women's rights is to stop them from engaging in sex. Go obsess over your own sex life or lack thereof instead of projecting your sexual frustration onto others you fucking freak.
/r/MensRights12/09/21 08:34 AM
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Jesus Christ dude, you sound like the same conservative Christian nutjob who thinks the pro-abstinence movement is actually effective in stopping sex. Would you like a comparison of birth rate statistics (especially teen pregnancy) for countries that have heavy restrictions of abortion compared to countries that provide safe and easy access to abortion? Because the percentage of abortion rate is actually higher in restrictive countries than it is in non-restrictive countries, so you're false. Ag…
/r/MensRights12/09/21 07:57 AM
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Funny, in the previous post you called it rape when a man impregnated a woman without her consent. No I didn't, I was drawing a parallel between your irrational and baseless claims. I would say that using contraceptives would certainly imply that the man didn't give his consent to his sperm being used to procreate. Unfortunately, the woman is just as unaware as the man that conception occurred. That is what you are arguing. You are literally saying here that because a man had an orgasm during se…
/r/MensRights12/09/21 07:51 AM
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And I'm pointing out that your political motives are based on anti-female hatred, which does justice for no one. Illegalising abortion doesn't stop sexual promiscuity. This is evident when we look at abortion restrictions in other countries. Could you imagine if feminists began advocating for men to be forcibly sterilised against their will for the sake and discouraging them from sexual promiscuity? Or advocating to drastically increase child support payments and mandate jail-time for any man wh…
/r/MensRights12/09/21 07:35 AM
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Okay, sure buddy. Your views definitely don't come from a religious incentive despite your entire premise is just your hostility towards cherry-picking at the mention of religion. Still doesn't negate the rest of my argument.
/r/MensRights12/09/21 06:34 AM
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I guess I was right about the petulant child part. Typical pro-life male.
/r/MensRights12/09/21 06:32 AM
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Again, the only one who is talking about 'stealing sperm' is you, so you are, again, fighting a strawman. Those who are overly pedantic over inconsequential details will always be the most obnoxious users on this platform. Replace "stealing sperm" with "using sperm without consent" and it's the same thing. Claiming that the woman is using the man's sperm without his consent is just as futile as me claiming that the man is impregnating the woman without her consent. Both of them were and are unaw…
/r/MensRights12/09/21 06:31 AM
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Women having more options ≠ men having no options. That "bag" over your dick is more effective than the female birth control pill. That "bag" over your dick means that you are both doubling up on contraception to make unwanted pregnancy close to impossible. But men refuse to wear that "bag" over their dick because less pleasure for them, right? You also have spermicide and reversible vasectomy. Financial obligation is not the same as bodily obligation. Both the man and the woman are financially …
/r/MensRights12/09/21 06:02 AM
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Illegalising abortion protects no one's rights, not even men's, as explained by OP's post. If abortion is illegal, now both parents are put in a situation that neither of them wanted. I truly hope your incentive doesn't come from a place where you view human rights as transactional.
/r/MensRights12/09/21 05:55 AM
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I'm not claiming that the law is forcing women to get pregnant. I am claiming the law is taking away women's reproductive rights and bodily autonomy that forced them to give birth against their will. I assume your stance is that you want to lower the abortion rate, right? If I provided you with an argument backed by empirical evidence and factual statistics cited by reputable sources, do you think you would be open to changing your position?
/r/MensRights12/09/21 05:53 AM
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This is hilarious 😂 the seething anti-feminists make it even better.
/r/AntiFeminists12/09/21 03:05 AM
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Where did I mention my stance was based on my belief in God? The fact that you went through the effort of being offended because OP believes religion should be separated from legality. and if it's your body your choice do what you want with your body, the other bod is off limits. With this argument in mind, I assume you're pro-choice, right? I mean, you're stating that it's okay for a woman to detach the ZEF from her body and remove it from her womb, right?. If it dies as a result of its lack of…
/r/MensRights12/09/21 02:57 AM
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Great! Now preach that same argument against men who complain about paying child support when they refused to protect themselves against accidental pregnancy. Men have all of their bodily rights. They can walk away from a pregnancy whenever they want. Women, however, cannot. If you believe that financial obligation is an imposition of bodily autonomy, then I suggest you learn what bodily autonomy is, and I assume you also advocate against paying taxes, bills, or other lifestyle expenses since ev…
/r/MensRights12/09/21 02:54 AM
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I apologise on the behalf of the pro-choice movement that we don't rely on sensationalism to evoke an emotional response to suit our narrative. Legal murder is an oxymoron. There is no such thing as moral murder. Murder is a legal term. Perhaps what you're referring to is either homicide, the termination of life, or a killing. Take your pick. As stated by the US jurisdiction, malice aforethought has to, by law, include ill-intent as opposed to just premeditation. source Personhood is not defined…
/r/MensRights12/09/21 02:50 AM
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Maybe if people couldn't use abortion as a form of birth control they'd be a little more careful about not getting knocked up, and then we could just stop killing babies.
/r/MensRights12/09/21 02:37 AM
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The childbirth mortality rate in the US in 2018 was 658 women. The population of the US is 328 Million. Of course it's the highest mortality rate for childbirth in the developed world, it's almost an entire continent, compared to small European countries. The childbirth mortality rate is based on deaths per 100'000 births. I would suggest you learn how to read statistics. Our population consists of men, infertile women, prepubescent children, and the elderly, therefore it's highly inaccurate to …
/r/AntiFeminists12/09/21 12:53 AM
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As cited above, Roe v. Wade determines that fetal rights shall be granted at the gestational age of 24 weeks based on viability. If your defining point of personhood is the ability of a fetus to feel pain, then it's not unwarranted to assume that you agree that 24 weeks is a suitable defining point of when a human is granted personhood. Why? Because neurological science determines that fetal consciousness develops at 24 weeks of gestational age. "Consciousness cannot emerge before 24 gestational…
/r/AntiFeminists12/09/21 12:41 AM
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If you don't care, then I don't see the purpose of using such a irrational argument against the pro-choice movement. The pro-choice movement supports parental rights, women's rights, human rights, bodily autonomy, liberty, and the right to privacy. Anyone in 2021 who is pro-life is evidently just uneducated and believes that women should be reduced to property based on their subjective moral beliefs. No human has the right to life at the expense of another person's bodily autonomy.
/r/MensRights12/09/21 12:21 AM
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All I'm seeing here is that your stance is based on anecdotal evidence and personal experience, as opposed to factual statistics. You have seen first hand the collateral damage that's done by a medical procedure, but you haven't seen first hand the collateral damage that's done by denying a medical procedure and forcing disenfranchised groups to give birth against their will when they aren't physically, mentally or financially capable of doing so. The idea that abortion is used as a regular birt…
/r/MensRights12/09/21 12:18 AM
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So, having an orgasm is now consenting to parenthood? Do you think women shouldn't be able to get an abortion if they had an orgasm during sex? And it is pretty disingenuous to argue that the man ejaculates inside of her, condoms do not always work and even pre-cum can impregnate a woman. That's the point; no one is consenting to parenthood. It's an unwanted pregnancy by both the man and the woman. Therefore it's disingenuous to claim the woman is "stealing" the man's sperm. Condoms are 98% effe…
/r/MensRights12/09/21 12:14 AM
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I’m confused. Are you pro-choice or pro-life? Either way your logic was utterly stupid.
/r/MensRights11/09/21 11:42 PM
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Again, how is a woman stealing a man's sperm when he consensually ejaculates inside of her? Condoms are only ineffective if they break, otherwise it's disingenuous to argue that women who become accidentally pregnant are stealing a man's sperm. Just because a woman chooses not to terminate her pregnancy, that doesn't mean it isn't unwanted and it doesn't mean she's keeping the pregnancy because she wants to steal a man's sperm. It just means that she's against abortion due to her subjective mora…
/r/MensRights11/09/21 09:17 AM
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We're enslaved during wartime and forced to murder other men. We don't have bodily autonomy and subjected to genital mutilation as infants. You didn't answer my question. You just deflected onto a hypothetical that not a single men in this lifetime, apart from veterans, were subjected to. MGM is bad, I advocate against it. But again, these have nothing to do with reproductive rights or pregnancy. Child support and alimony are enslavement for the convenience of women who make stupid choices. It t…
/r/MensRights11/09/21 09:12 AM
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It amazes me just how stupid people on this platform can be, and how time and time again, pro-lifers demonstrate just how intellectually impaired they are and how they refuse to understand such simple concepts that are literally written for them in the jurisdiction. Instead of calling others "dumb fucks", how about you practice some self-reflection and realise just how moronic you sound. The reason why abortion cannot constitute as murder is because murder is defined as the crime of unlawfully k…
/r/AntiFeminists11/09/21 08:35 AM
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Childbirth is one of the most painful and dangerous procedure that a woman can experience. The US has the highest mortality rate for childbirth in the developed world. I think mitigating from the serious risks of childbirth is dangerous, especially the mental risks.
/r/AntiFeminists11/09/21 08:18 AM
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Logically, the average man is more likely to be pro-life than the average woman. https://news.gallup.com/poll/244709/pro-choice-pro-life-2018-demographic-tables.aspx
/r/AntiFeminists11/09/21 08:11 AM
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Most of our laws are made for the convenience of women. Where's the law that forces a man to carry a pregnancy against his will and results in him caring for a child he didn't intend to have? Being enslaved financially leads to bodily responsibility. Your body and organs aren't being used against your will by another being. You aren't being forced through a medical procedure against your will. What bodily obligation do you have, again? Let's not even mention the billions of dollars of unpaid chi…
/r/MensRights11/09/21 07:44 AM
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How does a woman use a man's sperm without his consent when the result is an unwanted pregnancy? Don't want your sperm getting in her vagina? Then use a condom or get a vasectomy, which costs less than $200 with US health insurance and is free from planned parenthood.
/r/MensRights11/09/21 07:40 AM
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Murder is defined as the crime of unlawfully killing a person, especially with malice aforethought. Abortion cannot constitute as murder for three reasons; abortion isn’t unlawful, a fetus does not possess personhood, and terminating a pregnancy isn’t done with malice aforethought. For the termination of a life to constitute as murder, the ZEF has to possess personhood. Whether the cellular organism consists of human DNA or not, does not make it a person. Personhood is not defined by biology, it…
/r/MensRights11/09/21 07:37 AM
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Well, I mean it is unlawful in many places, even in countries like Germany. Personhood depends on how you define it - we are all clumps of cells actually, all of us, you too, just a bigger one than a fetus. A baby has pain receptors in the womb too. The development of a baby is a process, the synapses of a baby are continually developing up until term. But a baby is not fully developed even when they're born. They still have to develop organs like the lung, until they're 7. In the circumstance y…
/r/AntiFeminists11/09/21 07:22 AM
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I can promise you that no woman chooses a $500 procedure that physically harms their body as a form of birth control. Even medically-induced abortion is painful to the woman. The idea that abortion is used as regular birth-control by women is a form of pro-life propaganda.
/r/MensRights11/09/21 07:09 AM
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All I’m seeing are pro-life men with a callous and vindictive incentive towards women. Truly makes you think more in-depth of the motives of pro-lifers, huh?
/r/MensRights11/09/21 06:42 AM
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Homicide ≠ murder. Double homicide is only applicable in certain states at a specific gestational age, oftentimes during the third trimester. It's a law pushed by the pro-life movement, not the pro-choice movement. It's also a rigorous issue of consent.
/r/MensRights11/09/21 06:40 AM
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I expect you to change your position then, because abortion isn’t murder. Murder is defined as the crime of unlawfully killing a person, especially with malice aforethought. Abortion cannot constitute as murder for three reasons; abortion isn’t unlawful, a fetus does not possess personhood, and terminating a pregnancy isn’t done with malice aforethought.
/r/MensRights11/09/21 06:40 AM
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Human rights are not transactional. You shouldn't advocate against women's rights to their bodies based on a callous and vindictive incentive on the opposition of a law that was created and is mandated by men. Financial obligation is not the same as bodily obligation, and I truly believe men like you should not have the right to vote.
/r/MensRights11/09/21 06:38 AM
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This argument is extremely callous, irrational, and down-right indefensible for a multitude of reasons. Your motive to take away women's rights should never come from a vindictive incentive. Taking away women's rights will not establish any form of equality, it does the opposite; oppresses an entire gender. Abortion rights for women provides them with equality. Men already have the right to walk away from a pregnancy with zero consequences to their health. So what exactly are you arguing for, he…
/r/MensRights11/09/21 06:33 AM
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Majority of women who terminate their pregnancy report using some form of contraception. The most common method of contraception used by women is the birth control pill. A woman will not know that she is pregnant until the minimum of four weeks gestational age. Unfortunately, the morning after pill only works within three days of intercourse. The reason why the morning after pill may fail is because it's used to prevent ovulation. If the woman is already ovulating or has already ovulated, the pi…
/r/MensRights11/09/21 06:33 AM
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Majority of women who terminate their pregnancy report using some form of contraception. The most common method of contraception used by women is the birth control pill. A woman will not know that she is pregnant until the minimum of four weeks gestational age. Unfortunately, the morning after pill only works within three days of intercourse. The reason why the morning after pill may fail is because it's used to prevent ovulation. If the woman is already ovulating or has already ovulated, the pi…
/r/MensRights11/09/21 06:29 AM
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Majority of women who terminate their pregnancy report using some form of contraception. The most common method of contraception used by women is the birth control pill. A woman will not know that she is pregnant until the minimum of four weeks gestational age. Unfortunately, the morning after pill only works within three days of intercourse. The reason why the morning after pill may fail is because it's used to prevent ovulation. If the woman is already ovulating or has already ovulated, the pi…
/r/MensRights11/09/21 06:28 AM
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Majority of women who terminate their pregnancy report using some form of contraception. The most common method of contraception used by women is the birth control pill. A woman will not know that she is pregnant until the minimum of four weeks gestational age. Unfortunately, the morning after pill only works within three days of intercourse. The reason why the morning after pill may fail is because it's used to prevent ovulation. If the woman is already ovulating or has already ovulated, the pi…
/r/MensRights11/09/21 06:28 AM
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So women still have the right to take the cellular organism outside of their body and let it die naturally? Cool!
/r/MensRights11/09/21 06:17 AM
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Homicide ≠ murder. Double homicide is only applicable in certain states at a specific gestational age, oftentimes during the third trimester. It's a law pushed by the pro-life movement, not the pro-choice movement. It's also a rigorous issue of consent.
/r/MensRights11/09/21 06:14 AM
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Referring to girls who engage in intercourse, the same activity that boys engage in with little to no consequences, as "whores" truly gives an insight of where your pro-life views stem from. You don't care about the lives of a ZEF, you have a callous and vindictive incentive against women. Advocating for abstinence is ineffective and counterproductive; it doesn't work. Society and religion has been teaching abstinence to young people for years. It has never worked and it will never work. The ide…
/r/MensRights11/09/21 06:11 AM
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Majority of women who terminate their pregnancy report using some form of contraception. Tell me again how the woman is to blame for the failure of a contraceptive that is designed to keep her safe from unwanted pregnancy?
/r/MensRights11/09/21 06:05 AM
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Neat so she can murder the child to avoid responsibility and you can just act like pregnancy falls from the sky. For someone who is quick to use "science" to come to their defence, you sure do love using sensationalism to validate your baseless claims. Abortion isn't murder. Labelling women who exercise their rights is as murderers is disingenuous. All humans are "clumps of cells", all humans are still people. Dehumanize nobody. Those who are overly pedantic over inconsequential details will alw…
/r/MensRights11/09/21 06:03 AM
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I'm sorry about your experience, but your trauma doesn't justify punishing women. You're approaching the abortion debate with a callous and vindictive incentive based on your own personal experiences, which is both irrational and dangerous.
/r/MensRights11/09/21 05:34 AM
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Feminist have hijacked the pro-life movement to become a platform of anti-male hate. Just like everything else they get their hands on. Men have hijacked the pro-life movement to become a platform of anti-female hate. Just like everything else they get their hands on. Example one, two, three, four, and five It's not about choice at all for them. If it was they'd support choice for both sexes. They don't care about the women either. It's nothing but a platform for propagating anti-male hate. As s…
/r/MensRights11/09/21 05:30 AM
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People calling a life a clump of cells is just a way to dehumanize the fetus. People calling a life a clump of cells is just a scientific label. Nothing more, nothing less. It's a cellular organism the size of a grain of rice. Do you know what's a true example of dehumanisation? Male politicians believing that a woman can be reduced to nothing more than an incubator. That fetus needs time to grow into a baby and eventually an adult it doesn’t make it LESS of a life just because it’s developing. …
/r/MensRights11/09/21 05:14 AM
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This is a horribly disingenuous take. First of all, you aren't the person who decides who deserves and does not deserve to have an opinion. No one decides that. Everyone has the right to an opinion and to protest it in whatever non-violent ways they can. I think it's more-so the fact that if you deny science, you shouldn't be advocating to take away women's rights as it comes from a misleading point of view. Secondly, "clump of cells" is an apt description for any living thing. What, you think y…
/r/MensRights11/09/21 05:07 AM
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She can’t. It’s just unfortunate that unwanted pregnancies exist. Both men and women should double up on contraception to avoid this if possible.
/r/MensRights11/09/21 03:47 AM
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The law makes it illegal for anyone who assists a woman who is seeking to terminate her pregnancy after 6 weeks. This includes doctors, parents, teachers, partner, or friends. Driving hours to another state isn’t as simple as you’re insinuating. The idea that the ban hasn’t already affected many women, or won’t affect any women, is just your ignorance. You must live under a rock.
/r/MensRights11/09/21 03:45 AM
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Your mindset is extremely scary. The fact you admit that you believe the government should force women through one of the most dangerous procedures that they will face in their lifetime that causes adverse effects on their health, and an experience that is extremely painful and not only a health sacrifice, but an economical sacrifice, is indefensible and callous. I truly feel sorry for your partner and any woman that comes across you in their lifetime that you see their worth as nothing more tha…
/r/MensRights11/09/21 03:42 AM
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The only problem here is that abortion isn't murder! You guys treat women as things that get in the way of life! Instead of seeing women as a property see them as a human being! Fuck your religion and your backwards state!
/r/MensRights11/09/21 03:39 AM
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Adoption is an alternative to parenthood, not an alternative to pregnancy or childbirth. How hard is it to understand?
/r/MensRights11/09/21 03:37 AM
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Have you ever heard of the separation of state from religion? Your subjective religious beliefs have no place in the abortion debate. Conservative Christians are the same people who opposed free contraception and healthcare, support the pro-abstinence movement, and deny comprehensive sex education; all factors that largely mitigate abortion rates.
/r/MensRights11/09/21 03:36 AM
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Ah yes, the classic “they can do this so we should be able to do this” argument. Rights aren’t transactional. Financial obligation is not the same as bodily obligation, and you shouldn’t be able to punish women for the law that isn’t even set up by women.
/r/MensRights11/09/21 03:29 AM
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Ah yes! The “they can do this so that justifies us doing that!” argument. Great logic there. The premise of your pro-life views that affect an entire gender shouldn’t be based on a callous incentive.
/r/AntiFeminists11/09/21 02:26 AM
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Murder is defined as the crime of unlawfully killing a person, especially with malice aforethought. Abortion cannot constitute as murder for three reasons; abortion isn’t unlawful, a fetus does not possess personhood, and terminating a pregnancy isn’t done with malice aforethought.
/r/AntiFeminists11/09/21 02:19 AM
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Yes!! Let’s revoke women to men’s property against just like the good old days! /s
/r/AntiFeminists11/09/21 02:19 AM
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You’re probably the some conservative Christian fuckwad who believes that marital sex doesn’t exist because a woman is a man’s property in marriage. Your traditionalist views are a bunch of bullshit.
/r/AntiFeminists11/09/21 02:17 AM
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This situation is awful, but abortion is not murder and I think it’s disingenuous to use this example to demonise all women who seek to terminate their pregnancy.
/r/AntiFeminists11/09/21 02:16 AM
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This situation is awful, but abortion is not murder and I think it’s disingenuous to use this example to demonise all women who seek to terminate their pregnancy.
/r/AntiFeminists11/09/21 02:15 AM
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I don’t care. Your comment was blatant sexism that discourages women from seeking this group. You’re conflating feminism with the entire female gender. You’re a bigot, and once called out on this, you attempt to backtrack as if you didn’t call women hormonal shitbags.
/r/AntiFeminists11/09/21 12:21 AM
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LMAO
/r/AntiFeminists09/09/21 11:53 PM
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It's ironic, because that's exactly the same thinking that radical feminists have against men. Calling women hormonal shit bags and claiming they're delusional is a textbook definition of misogyny. Do you think that's going to encourage this user to stay? Or is it just going to drive her away and make her feel ostracised? I'm not the first one to call you out on your bigotry towards the opposite sex. You criticise Western women when you aren't even from the West.
/r/AntiFeminists09/09/21 10:41 PM
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Only a red pill would say that.
/r/AntiFeminists09/09/21 10:13 PM
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OP is a woman. This is an anti-feminist group, not an anti-female group. Get rid of the misogyny.
/r/AntiFeminists09/09/21 10:01 AM
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Oh god no. The Red Pill is a breeding ground for misogyny.
/r/AntiFeminists09/09/21 09:58 AM
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