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'Mode One'
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 07:44 AM
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Red flag for what? That he likes sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/20 11:48 AM
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Well, I obviously can't say the subjective part of this reply is wrong. But the part with numbers in it, like I said in my first comment, I think that women in particular would have to actively be avoiding sex to have the stats we're supposed to think are acceptable (assuming they're decent-looking, averagely-sociable, live in a city, have been to university, all the usual asterisks).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 03:07 PM
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Was your number actually that low at that age?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 10:33 AM
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So 20 is high? That's the significance of the 20 in the question? I was wondering; saw it and didn't know what the OP was trying to ask. I wish these people who say that numbers are big would say what they want a normal number to be. I think the reason they never do is they know their idea works out to one new partner per year or something ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 10:28 AM
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ok so
/r/seduction23/04/20 04:53 PM
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And if you believe you will, then you still won't, because of the current situation. If you're trying to imply you have some strategies for hooking up during this time, just say what they are.
/r/seduction23/04/20 04:47 PM
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What do you mean?
/r/seduction23/04/20 03:36 PM
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Are hotels even open now?
/r/seduction13/04/20 10:57 PM
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Just looks like he's asking a question, to me. I don't know what you think you're seeing.
/r/seduction11/04/20 07:01 PM
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>Hi <Uh, hi [reeling from the fact that a stranger has approached her] \>So uh [crickets]
/r/seduction28/01/20 04:41 PM
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>Hi <Uh, hi [reeling from the fact that a stranger has approached her] \>So uh [crickets]
/r/seduction28/01/20 04:34 PM
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>Hi <Uh, hi [reeling from the fact that a stranger has approached her] \>So uh [crickets]
/r/seduction28/01/20 04:33 PM
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>Hi <Uh, hi [reeling from the fact that a stranger has approached her] \>So uh [crickets]
/r/seduction28/01/20 04:33 PM
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>Hi <Uh, hi [reeling from the fact that a stranger has approached her] \>So uh [crickets]
/r/seduction28/01/20 04:33 PM
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He's right.
/r/seduction07/12/19 03:47 PM
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I'm asking because it seems like a prerequisite to getting good - ALL the MPUAs seem to be perpetual travellers.
/r/seduction07/12/19 03:44 PM
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Except it's not just women; people in general are something I just don't deal with except to the extent it's unavoidable or a means to an end. I also have Asperger's.
/r/seduction06/12/19 02:29 PM
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"Just hope to bump into a girl in your day-to-day life" is literally the advice of AFCs who have sex with fewer than 10 women in their entire lives and have six-month interstitial periods between each woman. You need to cold-approach.
/r/seduction06/12/19 02:27 PM
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as always
/r/seduction06/12/19 02:04 PM
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Seems believable to me, given that we must count relationships that started before online dating.
/r/seduction05/12/19 06:27 PM
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See a post on here called "seduce her with your eyes!"
/r/seduction04/12/19 04:58 PM
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he chicks don't even realise what's going on. What did he mean by this?
/r/seduction04/12/19 04:43 PM
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Didn't realise people were in PU to be with one girl at a time
/r/seduction04/12/19 03:47 PM
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IIRC something like 30% of teenagers are more competent about day-to-day tasks than the average adult (and I wouldn't be surprised if 90% of that was girls). You're just being prejudiced, as almost everyone is on this matter.
/r/seduction04/12/19 02:50 PM
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So I can go for girls that are 18 and over. Except "half your age plus seven" isn't the minimum, it's the optimum.
/r/seduction04/12/19 02:46 PM
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Can you really fuck 100 women through social circle?
/r/seduction29/11/19 03:55 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/askreddit/comments/mvq7q/men_how_do_i_flirt_with_you
/r/seduction29/11/19 03:31 PM
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You had to say hello because you think she's cute
/r/seduction28/11/19 03:37 PM
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You had to say hello because you think she's cute
/r/seduction28/11/19 03:37 PM
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I mean really ... if you were seriously busy and had to finish something on your laptop would you go to ...? Yes. Alot of people find it difficult to get work done at home.
/r/seduction28/11/19 03:35 PM
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He never said anything about dating so I just assumed he just wants something to keep the conversation flowing from the meet to the bedroom.
/r/seduction28/11/19 03:28 PM
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~30yo is such a hot prospect for a teenage girl that they could barely believe men even ask this question.
/r/seduction23/11/19 02:49 PM
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Does "green tea" taste like tea?
/r/seduction23/11/19 02:08 PM
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The only real proposition with a "I'm saying one thing but you know and I know that what I'm actually talking about is a sexual advance, answer yes or no accordingly" vibe is your place or her place. Getting a drink definitely doesn't have that, even less a coffee. https://www.quora.com/How-do-I-ask-someone-to-coffee-without-sounding-like-I-am-asking-for-a-date https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-best-way-to-ask-someone-out-for-coffee-platonically https://www.quora.com/How-do-you-politely-turn-dow…
/r/seduction21/11/19 05:28 PM
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https://www.quora.com/How-do-I-ask-someone-to-coffee-without-sounding-like-I-am-asking-for-a-date https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-best-way-to-ask-someone-out-for-coffee-platonically https://www.quora.com/How-do-you-politely-turn-down-someone-who-wants-to-grab-coffee-sometime https://www.quora.com/How-is-it-that-wanting-to-get-coffee-with-someone-often-translates-to-asking-someone-for-a-date-when-asking-to-eat-lunch-with-someone-isnt-necessarily-the-same-thing https://www.quora.com/Why-do-so-ma…
/r/seduction21/11/19 05:21 PM
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I mean a cold approach is clearly a sex thing straight from the start -- regardless of where you go with it or whether it even went well enough to get to sitting down for a drink -- unless you start into asking for directions straight away or something.
/r/seduction21/11/19 05:12 PM
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So how do you know it's a date? Initially you were saying that people meet strangers for coffee just to talk to someone...
/r/seduction21/11/19 05:08 PM
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Is there anything else with the same connotation as the famous coffee date though? You can't deny that that would obviously help in the matter.
/r/seduction21/11/19 05:02 PM
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Getting to know each other, building attraction... You have to know this. Of course a date doesn't automatically equal sex. I'm not sure why you need to bring that up. It's still one of the usual steps in a seduction though. You have to be aware of that too.
/r/seduction21/11/19 05:01 PM
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Coffee equals sex? That's a bit of a strawman. It's a clear attempt at a sexual advance though. You wouldn't bring someone on an instant date if you weren't interested in them.
/r/seduction21/11/19 04:58 PM
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I'm in the library right now. In your mind, if I walked up to the guy at the next desk (when I've never seen him before in my life) and asked him if he wants to go grab a drink together, that would be a normal everyday thing to happen?
/r/seduction21/11/19 04:55 PM
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The steps between saying hello and consumating, what else?
/r/seduction21/11/19 04:45 PM
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People who know each other maybe
/r/seduction21/11/19 04:43 PM
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I thought advancing sexually was the whole point of a date?
/r/seduction21/11/19 04:41 PM
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Also pulling a girl all the way out of the city for an instant date doesn't seem very realistic.
/r/seduction21/11/19 04:35 PM
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What culture are you from where if a man meets a woman through cold approach and suggests sitting down for coffee, she thinks he's just being sociable?
/r/seduction21/11/19 04:34 PM
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Are you American? Americans seem to think it's normal to just go up to strangers and talk to them just to talk to them. Anywhere else, if you're taking an hour out of someone's day, you're bound to have had something specific in mind.
/r/seduction21/11/19 04:22 PM
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So has it literally happened to you that you've invited a girl, that you met from cold approach, on a coffee/tea date and she actually believed you just wanted to talk to her? You shouldnt be approaching such mentally-challenged women tbh.
/r/seduction21/11/19 04:14 PM
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I'm asking for date locations that are viable.
/r/seduction21/11/19 04:09 PM
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Implausible. Who does that? Just goes up to someone on the street and arranges to get to know them the next day? Of course it's sexual, especially for a woman. They aren't that naive.
/r/seduction21/11/19 04:06 PM
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So how do they interpret it?
/r/seduction21/11/19 04:02 PM
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I don't have internet at home, or a sofa.
/r/seduction21/11/19 03:59 PM
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How else could asking a girl you've just met for a coffee possibly be interpreted? Of course it's a sex thing.
/r/seduction21/11/19 03:57 PM
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I'd rather endure a disgusting drink than dance. But I'd prefer to avoid both.
/r/seduction21/11/19 03:50 PM
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See my reply to the other guy
/r/seduction21/11/19 03:45 PM
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None of those have the "I'm saying one thing but you know and I know that what I'm actually talking about is a sexual advance, answer yes or no accordingly" thing that "let's meet for a coffee" does. Exacty what I'm asking for is what does.
/r/seduction21/11/19 03:39 PM
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Yeah but is going into a venue just to grab a coke something that people really do? And is it not weird for her if she wants to drink and I just want a coke?
/r/seduction21/11/19 03:35 PM
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What the actual fuck And to think that someone in this sub recently told me that party game is the easy one (as opposed to daygame, which is the hard one).
/r/seduction20/11/19 03:19 PM
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I would assume you like the girl enough to want to help her get a threesome
/r/seduction20/11/19 03:18 PM
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Due to Asperger's and ADD: So If you're not overrun with work and can afford the time to work once or twice a week at a bar, Auditory processing issues driving Uber Can't drive cutting hair, Just no. I like the idea but it's just not realistic.
/r/seduction19/11/19 12:56 PM
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shopping oh wait, girls think that's a hobby
/r/seduction19/11/19 12:45 PM
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It might be weird but it's also common/ubiquitous (for girls)
/r/seduction19/11/19 12:42 PM
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t. Someone lucky enough to live in a city
/r/seduction19/11/19 12:41 PM
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if tyou're not getting slapped now and then then you're doing somethign wrong
/r/seduction19/11/19 12:40 PM
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yay
/r/seduction19/11/19 12:39 PM
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There is a scientific answer to this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociosexual_orientation#Mate_preferences i.e. Girls that PUAs want to be with, girls that are easier, want you to be experienced.
/r/seduction19/11/19 12:31 PM
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A website or a sub? How do you shut down somebody else's website?
/r/seduction16/11/19 02:39 PM
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www.wingman-finder.com
/r/seduction16/11/19 02:39 PM
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The whole "approach before you have time to think" thing kind of conflicts with the whole "give her a tailor-made compliment" thing though.
/r/seduction16/11/19 02:38 PM
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Doesn't make him correct about dealing with people being easy
/r/seduction16/11/19 02:35 PM
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Why is it harder? Their guard isn't up, you don't need 'AMOG' tactics, you don't need to socialise with 50 people. I thought half the appeal of daygame in the first place was its perceived relative easiness.
/r/seduction16/11/19 02:20 PM
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the unusual awkwardness of "why I stopped you" If you think that that is unusual then your advice is obviously very specific to your culture and useless anywhere else, because making sure (verbally or otherwise) that the stranger knows you have an honest reason to be talking to them is the first thing in any first contact between strangers, 'HB' or not. You can't just go up to someone and start talking to them without their permission.
/r/seduction14/11/19 09:28 PM
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You go up to people and be all "hi, talking to strangers is weird and all, in this case it's okay because it's practice, I'm honing my skills"? How do they respond?
/r/seduction14/11/19 09:13 PM
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You should be interacting with everyone all the time in the same way. I should be doing daygamer stops on random dudes? What would I even talk to them about? I mean the first words out of your mouth in any form of daygame is about how you realise this isn't the done thing.
/r/seduction14/11/19 06:44 PM
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The thing is, I can speak to old ladies and low smv dudes, and old men. I can do this anywhere and it's easy. I had an old dude happy af when I spoke to him, and old lady pumped when I said bye, and a few low smv dudes seeking my validation in interactions because I had no issue speaking to them. Are you American? I can't imagine what your premise for talking to people you don't want something from could possibly be.
/r/seduction14/11/19 06:34 PM
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Be interested in them. Not new information to anyone; it's at least as old as How to Win Friends and Influence People. What needs to be explained is how to be interested in people when you're an introvert, or else it's "be happy then" (to a person suffering from clinical depression")-tier advice.
/r/seduction14/11/19 06:20 PM
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Doesn't James Marshall himself have a video saying that two strangers meeting is inherently awkward?
/r/seduction14/11/19 06:02 PM
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I saw that post and I think it was about relationships, so if you're not interested in relationships then I guess don't worry.
/r/seduction12/11/19 04:00 PM
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Different guy here but for me it's always been: a person is an extrovert to the extent that they get lonely from being left alone, find talking as an end in itself worthwhile, etc, and an introvert is the opposite of that. It's just more useful than the "how you get your energy" definition which doesn't tell you all that much about a person. Edit: And so I'm definitely sick of hearing that introverts are somehow superior at conversation.
/r/seduction11/11/19 01:33 PM
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What's way too much?
/r/seduction10/11/19 02:14 PM
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A girl that a daygamer is liable to go for (non-religious, lives in a city, middle-class, good-looking) will get to double digits without even being slutty, unless she for some reason is actively trying to avoid sex, so no, don't say fucking 2, Jesus Christ
/r/seduction09/11/19 02:25 PM
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do you even read bro
/r/seduction09/11/19 02:15 PM
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The efficacy of self-help is uncertain.
/r/seduction09/11/19 02:00 PM
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t. Someone lucky enough to live in a city
/r/seduction09/11/19 12:25 PM
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I have ADD so I NEED my cold showers to get my showering time under 30m
/r/seduction07/11/19 04:43 PM
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interested
/r/seduction03/11/19 03:41 PM
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I think so, but I have to wonder how much my view here isn't just my logical-minded hatred of game-playing.
/r/seduction02/11/19 06:05 PM
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Flirting is really campy, I suppose is what I've meant.
/r/seduction02/11/19 03:22 PM
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I don't get how you can just assume everybody has a "passion". Do even most people, let alone everybody? I can see "is that a book you're reading" (or Nelson Muntz's "so, you like stuff?") working in the same way as deliberately using really bad pick-up lines. The I was accusing her of being a nerd and a psychopath mass murderer stuff is exactly what I mean by "the way" you have to talk... it's so fucking stupid, who the fuck talks like that? Flirtation to me feels the same as being made to danc…
/r/seduction02/11/19 03:20 PM
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I don't think you could do that first one in the UK.
/r/seduction02/11/19 12:50 PM
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Not sure what's not to like about talking to women The way they require you to do it.
/r/seduction01/11/19 04:33 PM
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99% of people on the receiving end of just get hobbies and take a shower! ??? you've got a girlfriend! are taking showers regularly, that being a normal thing that people do. Just like everyone who was told to be themselves had been themselves their whole lives and it didn't get the same result as it did for the person with an attractive self. And what I'm obviously arguing is that you don't get more attractive just by turning 30. You have to have been attractive already.
/r/seduction01/11/19 04:27 PM
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So how do you learn to like flirting (or even, how to do it)?
/r/seduction01/11/19 04:15 PM
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Saying that men's SMV is the highest in their 30's isn't really advice, it's more of a statement of fact. The fact is that if you're a man who's built for game then your SMV is the highest in your 30's (for the reason that I said). It doesn't magically apply to everyone. If you haven't had those milestones and that practice then you're worse in your 30's (in relation to what you "should" be) than ever before. And you can't argue with "get a hobby and take a shower", come on now. Yes I can, it's …
/r/seduction01/11/19 04:09 PM
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Men don't like having to flirt, it's something you do because girls require it. https://youtu.be/y_bY1Jae0FE?t=505 "Additionally, Henningsen found that flirting for fun was more common in females than males"
/r/seduction01/11/19 04:03 PM
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I mean bad for the person that has to do it. And I meant common knowledge for those of us who know that cold approach is even a thing. If you've seen a PUA youtube channel then there's nothing new in that guide other than what I said.
/r/seduction01/11/19 03:50 PM
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banter and conversation, etc. I've never seen specific instruction on this. You don't practice being sociable and charming only on attractive women you practice every day with everyone you meet. No, that's weird. You have no reason to be talking to those people. With the woman it's fine because the first thing out of your mouth was your reason for talking to her. How do you talk to random people you're not hitting on, though?
/r/seduction01/11/19 03:10 PM
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I've read it. There's nothing in there that isn't common knowledge. Only thing I learned is that one-minute interactions are apparently fine, but apparently only if you do flirting and banter, which is as bad and as hard to do as the Natural Lifestyles-style ten-minute deep conversation where you're her sensitive BFF for the day.
/r/seduction01/11/19 03:07 PM
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"SMV is most in your 30s" comes from having built up the skills in your 20s. Apart from the good-job thing it doesn't apply to him. And alot of us are in the same boat. "Peak SMV in your 30's" is literally about as normie-advice as "just get a hobby and take a shower".
/r/seduction01/11/19 03:02 PM
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Inb4 some smartarse with "hey"
/r/seduction01/11/19 02:52 PM
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Wouldn't work for someone with ADD. If the loss of the money is too far in the future then I can't feel its influence.
/r/seduction31/10/19 04:17 PM
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Possibly archive.org (cba checking)
/r/seduction31/10/19 04:00 PM
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You think 10% of guys have the notch count of a PUA?
/r/seduction30/10/19 05:30 PM
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You really thing one in ten guys are PUAs or the equivalent in natural?
/r/seduction30/10/19 05:01 PM
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I didn't watch the video yet but the title (of this thread) could be interpreted as positive.
/r/seduction30/10/19 04:57 PM
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How do you manage this stuff as an INTP?
/r/seduction30/10/19 02:36 PM
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Google-suggestions for "good looking but ___\" and whatever synonyms for good-looking you like. Clearly, a handy side-advantage doesn't equal success.
/r/seduction30/10/19 02:21 PM
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I at least know that the advice I've been given barely even seems to understand the request. What advice would you give to a pure introvert?
/r/seduction30/10/19 01:38 PM
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Talk as an end in itself, and getting lonely from being alone, are the definiting characteristics of extraversion. A person either is an extravert or they aren't. I can't become one. What I'm after is game for introverts. Not introverts with a little extravert in the mix - actual introverts.
/r/seduction29/10/19 05:17 PM
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If I didn't want help I wouldn't be asking for it. Here's your game. Find a girl, make her laugh, get her number. Invite her to a bar, order a drink or two each, etc So it's "do daygame, then go to a bar do this other stuff". Yes let's just gloss over how you actually do the daygame when you're not you're not the type of person who can congruently do daygame. I can't drink alcohol, tea, or coffee either btw.
/r/seduction29/10/19 03:48 PM
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I'm only arguing with comments that are actually wrong.
/r/seduction28/10/19 07:30 PM
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Except in this case it means things that are entirely contrary to your personality. So 'be yourself' was a lie.
/r/seduction28/10/19 06:27 PM
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To add to the autism thing, you can be good-looking and still not be photogenic. Online isn't an option.
/r/seduction28/10/19 05:08 PM
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Modern seduction instruction is tendentiously about feelz, "vibe", etc, to the absolute, fanatical exclusion of telling you what to say. Nobody has seriously professed negging since 2010 either.
/r/seduction28/10/19 05:03 PM
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There are countless studies bla bla bla Yeah. No-one's saying body language isn't useful to know. They're saying body language doesn't keep a conversation going. What specific body language moves helped you specifically with conversations&flirting ? It isn't enough to say that body language helped you with approaching or whatever when the thread is specifically about holding conversations and flirting.
/r/seduction28/10/19 04:58 PM
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If you confirm that night game works the way I just said it did, then you confirm it isn't an option for me. I'm not a "fun" guy.
/r/seduction28/10/19 04:48 PM
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You obviously never tried to listen to anyone else in your life. You think you know everything So why am I here asking a question?
/r/seduction28/10/19 04:40 PM
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They will look at you and give you approach invitations I'm aware. Still, if you don't make an emotional connection you go nowhere.
/r/seduction28/10/19 04:39 PM
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Don't have interests. I don't understand the appeal. Top 1-5% facially. Top 1% on height if we rank not by amount of inches but by how attractive the height is (i.e. there's an ideal height where any shorter or taller is less optimal - it's 6'2", by the way; my height). Still a KV. Autism is a death sentence.
/r/seduction28/10/19 04:35 PM
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We've established in this thread that to run game you pretty much have to say and do things you wouldn't do if you didn't have to. That isn't "be your best self", it's literally "act like someone else".
/r/seduction28/10/19 04:25 PM
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Today I am comfortable going out, people often say I am extroverted and wouldn't say I struggle to even start a conversation with strangers and keep them going. Because you learned body language? I find that hard to believe. Standing up straight doesn't change you from not knowing what to say to knowing what to say. Something else must also have changed between then and now, and you are crediting its effect to body language.
/r/seduction28/10/19 04:23 PM
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I don't see how that makes it different; PU never shuts up about meditation, 'energy', and the like.
/r/seduction28/10/19 04:17 PM
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I'm not interested in things. I don't really understand the concept.
/r/seduction28/10/19 01:54 PM
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Comments like this make me feel like Larry David about the ocean. Why was it amazing? The upvotes and comments like yours are the only clue I have that it's any different from or better than the next post.
/r/seduction28/10/19 01:43 PM
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I don't find this advice very useful at all. Flirting is definitely a certain way of talking and definitely about the words you use. If not, then howcome people are able to flirt using text? It's as if you're saying the words don't matter in, say, comedy. Even if we mean conversation more generally instead of flirting in particular, I don't see how you're supposed to body-language your way out of not knowing what to say. I think it's more likely you just take knowing what to say too for-granted …
/r/seduction28/10/19 01:43 PM
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So 'be yourself' was a fucking lie all along then.
/r/seduction27/10/19 08:17 PM
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You don't even seem to understand the problem. It's incongruent to my personality to be talking to someone if it isn't serving a purpose; I'm 100% introverted. How can I fill an hour with just "I find you attractive"? I can't make anything else sound genuine, especially not finding out about their stupid passions.
/r/seduction27/10/19 06:55 PM
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The bar thing doesn't make sense. The thing about night game is you get the girl when you're enjoying the night itself, not the girl. Going out for me is exactly like talking to people: it's not something I would enjoy as an end in itself. So straight away we can say night game will never work for me.
/r/seduction27/10/19 06:42 PM
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Talking to people when it's a required step in whatever thing you're trying to get done "makes you a dick"? It makes you a pure introvert. Your friend sees a point in being friends with people, so probably he has things to talk to girls about and fill out their requirement of an hour or more of talk.
/r/seduction27/10/19 06:38 PM
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The advice is constantly to never act outside of your personality but to find a style that you can be yourself with. So what style suits Ron Swanson?
/r/seduction27/10/19 05:53 PM
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The conversation is the whole thing I want to avoid. I don't want there to be a conversation which we then make sexual, I just want sexual. I dont' ask for directions by being the guy's buddy and all; I just get what I want from him and then we leave each other alone. What type of game is most similarly to-the-point?
/r/seduction27/10/19 04:10 PM
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I think lots of the time, we blame ourselves for our 'bad game' or not being able to hold a convo, but in truth, the issue is that you're trying to game a girl who simply isn't attracted to you Lots of girls are physically attracted to me. I can do eye stuff too. Just can't talk to people.
/r/seduction27/10/19 03:25 PM
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Turn around
/r/seduction27/10/19 03:16 PM
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Come on
/r/seduction27/10/19 03:01 PM
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to me you plonker
/r/seduction26/10/19 02:56 PM
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You don't know the guy You don't have an obligation to the guy To the extent that it's a moral issue at all, it's a moral issue for her, not you It's not your problem
/r/seduction26/10/19 02:50 PM
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Female condoms
/r/seduction26/10/19 02:41 PM
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It's not my right to say
/r/seduction25/10/19 03:54 PM
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Being comfortable with someone doesn't make you flirty if you don't have a flirtatious personality. Replace 'flirty' with anything else to see that this is fucking obvious.
/r/seduction25/10/19 03:34 PM
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/r/foreveralone
/r/seduction24/10/19 05:35 PM
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I've written plenty on here before about not having a "fear of rejection". I also haven't been able to make myself talk to anyone.
/r/seduction24/10/19 04:28 PM
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speak
/r/seduction24/10/19 02:10 PM
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there will be girls who may/may not be ok with your disability and all that comes with it, If he was in a wheelchair of something then yeah. Being autistic is more like the male equivalent of not having holes, though.
/r/seduction24/10/19 01:36 PM
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And yet they have no problems talking to people they're not attracted to? That's the bit I don't get. I can get being afraid of people, I can't understand why you wouldn't be afraid of people across the board in that case though. Sufficiently-hot girls are magnetic. They're nice to look at, it may outweigh the having to talk to someone. The discomfort of talking to them can only be less than for others.
/r/seduction24/10/19 12:59 PM
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I hear this in the seduction community alot and I never get it. The more attractive a girl is, the more I'm motivated to actually talk to her.
/r/seduction24/10/19 12:43 PM
2

Apart from "what's up?" you've given him no instruction on what to actually say to make the conversation more fun.
/r/seduction23/10/19 05:25 PM
1

Are the two points in point 2 supposed to be related in some way?
/r/seduction23/10/19 05:22 PM
1

Gunwitch comes up and immediately delves into a deep emotional conversation not good She's automatically in the conversation, and it's about something deep, and it's about HER, and people love to talk about themselves. not with some fuck they've just met
/r/seduction23/10/19 01:53 PM
1

No.
/r/seduction23/10/19 01:51 PM
2

Exactly.
/r/seduction23/10/19 01:49 PM
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Of course ask women out, but you also need to play stupid games. Otherwise it would be sufficient to just say: hey, what's your name, are you single, sweet let's bang then.
/r/seduction22/10/19 03:14 PM
1

People that are bona fide creeps are high on all five of those
/r/seduction22/10/19 02:33 PM
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What would be some examples of good questions?
/r/seduction20/10/19 04:13 PM
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Yes, there are lines that one person would make sound good while another makes it sound weird. OP isn't talking about it coming out weird when he says it. He's saying that line itself is weird. He can't picture anyone saying it and it sounding like something a real person would say. That's a different thing than what you're talking about.
/r/seduction20/10/19 04:02 PM
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You explained what the terms mean within this framework, but not what to do with them.
/r/seduction20/10/19 03:59 PM
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I feel like this about the UK PUAs too though (and I'm from the UK). Yes let me approach a girl in Belfast and be all, "you have blonde hair (like half the girls here) so you look like you're from Sweden, when I think of Sweden I think of" It's almost like they're depending on girls not being enough of a native speaker to know what natural English sounds like.
/r/seduction20/10/19 01:17 PM
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I guess I can see that studying one working fine if you include some intent stuff in the [introduce yourself].
/r/seduction19/10/19 03:49 PM
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In the UK being energetic and fun would just make you look like a crazy person. Calm and confident is what you need.
/r/seduction19/10/19 03:48 PM
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What did you send him? I'm older than he is, a complete virgin, and much better than 7.5 on looks, so whatever you could have told him probably applies to me too
/r/seduction19/10/19 03:47 PM
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If you're able to do that other stuff in addition to the count-down... then what is the count-down for? Just do the other stuff.
/r/seduction18/10/19 03:38 PM
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The second one. The first one is fucking weird, who the fuck does that. (See Liam McRae's "Why you have to use preframes".)
/r/seduction18/10/19 02:49 PM
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I’m a little more reserved and tend to just ask “how’s it going” “what are you guys celebrating” Not sure what you think reserved means. These openers wouldn't suit my Ron Swanson style at all.
/r/seduction18/10/19 02:37 PM
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/u/cdex_ you're in this thread so are you trying to meet people or not?
/r/seduction18/10/19 02:30 PM
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usually after dark, I didn't know this could be done. I've been dreading dat oncoming sun-down-by-5pm.
/r/seduction18/10/19 02:02 PM
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I've done the countdown thing. It doesn't make any difference. I don't understand why I thought it would, tbh. Like, what part about counting down automatically means you're going to talk to someone?
/r/seduction18/10/19 01:39 PM
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This, except not just about yoga. I'm not a flirter, I'm not a talker, I don't like "fun", I don't like travelling. James Marshall seems to manage without flirting and getting on, but on the other hand he's very interested in getting to know the girl, and I'm not interested in knowing people.
/r/seduction18/10/19 01:20 PM
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I'm an introvert, so no.
/r/seduction18/10/19 01:06 PM
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One anecdote by one slutty girl versus my life of being the handsomeist guy around.
/r/seduction18/10/19 01:03 PM
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That gets you IOIs, that's about it. After hello you still have to game them.
/r/seduction18/10/19 12:53 PM
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Go out in the field and observe how people relate to their children and their pets. You gave no indication in the original comment that this is what you were talking about.
/r/seduction18/10/19 12:51 PM
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I still don't understand the concept of a fear of rejection. It seems like a very specific fear to have, like being afraid of say clowns specifically, i.e. I get that it's a fear you can conceivably have, but it's kind of weird how the seduction community talks about it like everyone must have it. Without seduction constantly going on about it I honestly don't think it would ever occur to me to put the words 'fear' and 'rejection' next to each other, let alone do it all the time. When someone wi…
/r/seduction17/10/19 06:34 PM
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bluntly ask if she wanted to be fwb This doesn't work even if you're good looking, AND back when I was saying it, I really believed it would work, so I even had that on my side. The fact is you have to do all this talking, and once you get past 'hello' looks are utterly irrelevant.
/r/seduction17/10/19 06:20 PM
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I don't understand what makes that "flirting". That's just a compliment.
/r/seduction17/10/19 02:55 PM
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When you talk to children, do you run out of things to say? Uh, yeah, I imagine I would. I mean what in the fuck would you even talk about.
/r/seduction17/10/19 02:55 PM
1

Um. Why?
/r/seduction17/10/19 02:36 PM
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You could just practice daygame and skip all that stuff.
/r/seduction17/10/19 02:29 PM
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Impedance is more of an electrical engineering thing but okay
/r/seduction15/10/19 03:31 PM
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Correction: if flirtation comes naturally to you, the easiest way to do it is to not try to do it. He needs conversations to turn flirty because girls make it a requirement between the open and the sex.
/r/seduction14/10/19 04:00 PM
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I just want "how to be attractive if you're cringey and socially repulsive". It's the one for me, I've seen it before, I'm just too ADD to have gotten all the way through it, and now it's gone.
/r/seduction14/10/19 02:11 PM
1

You know reddit has a PM feature, right?
/r/seduction14/10/19 02:10 PM
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What I don't understand is WHY you have to use this stuff. You say "let's get a coffee some time" or whatever, the girl KNOWS that that means a sexual advance and says yes or no to it accordingly, so why can't you just say it directly and get the same answer? This game-playing for me is the worst stuff about all of this. It actually makes me hate women, at least until I understand what's a good reason for it. What if I don't like coffee, what am I supposed to say then? Well, it's a problem I sho…
/r/seduction14/10/19 01:23 PM
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Hi. The other guy didn't respond to me.
/r/seduction12/10/19 05:59 PM
1

You go out the door with the specific intention of doing daygame. Do you really think most daygamers are "attending public lectures" and "joining social clubs" when they can just go outside?
/r/seduction12/10/19 01:53 PM
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If he would practice daygame then he wouldn't be a literal hermit.
/r/seduction11/10/19 03:13 PM
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The question makes sense ("How old are these girls?"), the answer does not (and I have already explained why).
/r/seduction11/10/19 03:10 PM
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Not sure what you're trying to say "I mean he was an addict, that's why this answer he gave to this question makes no sense, he was an addict you see" What?
/r/seduction11/10/19 03:00 PM
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He's on /r/seduction, he doesn't need to "meet people". Half the point of PUA (or at least daygame) is going directly to the girls and bypassing all the socialfagging you have to do where you join clubs and stuff on the off chance of a girl being there.
/r/seduction11/10/19 02:57 PM
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Not everyone is this wacky extrovert. None of the usual things you're "supposed" to like appeal to me at all. I relate to this guy immensely, especially the point about careerfagging. I just want to do work in exchange for money, no bullshit façade about office_job being your "passion". I don't like travelling. I don't like hobbies. What this guy needs is daygame. Meeting girls directly, no joining faggoty clubs and activities on the off chance that there might be a girl there that's viable. All…
/r/seduction11/10/19 02:52 PM
1

Are you seeing Dunbar's number of girls?
/r/seduction11/10/19 02:29 PM
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"between 18 and 70" Dude. Every MPUA gets under-18s. How are you gonna just ignore the most beautiful girls there are when you have the skills to pick them up.
/r/seduction11/10/19 02:27 PM
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Pure cringe from beginning to end
/r/seduction10/10/19 03:40 PM
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Any 'big list of banter lines', e.g. Tom Torero's 'How to Flirt with a Girl' always seems cringey as fuck to me.
/r/seduction10/10/19 02:24 PM
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https://www.discogs.com/release/1800396-I-Dont-Want-TISM-I-Want-A-Girlfriend/images
/r/seduction10/10/19 02:22 PM
2

Aunty and mum aren't slang, they're the actual words.
/r/seduction10/10/19 02:10 PM
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I didn't mean with girls. Just like with eye contact, I'm way more comfortable about girls than general people. Could look at a girl's eyes all day. They're sexy. I like girls.
/r/seduction08/10/19 05:34 PM
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Sasha Daygame
/r/seduction08/10/19 03:38 PM
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There’s a ton of advice on this subreddit about what to say lol, no, it's almost as if there's an organised conspiracy against it. Anyway. Eye contact yes, smiling no. If you're not a natural smiler THEN DO NOT ATTEMPT A SMILE.
/r/seduction08/10/19 03:36 PM
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Not sure what the point of this question is, except to rule out shit like Singapore where 30 is almost normal. I live in Northern Ireland.
/r/seduction08/10/19 03:17 PM
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I'll probably be a 31yp virgin soon
/r/seduction08/10/19 11:50 AM
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See history of /u/foot__loose (it's hot af btw)
/r/seduction08/10/19 11:46 AM
1

Everything I ever see from it on this sub, I feel like I already know from Natural Lifestyles on YouTube. And I don't think that stuff is all theory.
/r/seduction08/10/19 11:43 AM
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Attractiveness plays a role in girls being attracted? No shit. But do looks? Up to the hello, yeah. After that, if you're a brick wall to talk to you're fucked.
/r/seduction08/10/19 11:36 AM
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Is 6 easy? Chasing a 6 down and telling her you saw her from over there and thought she was beautiful seems really far-fetched. If I did that I'd be worrying she's standing there thinking "if he does this to me is he basically doing this to basically everyone??" I'm not attracted to sixes anyway except as individual cases, so it's a moot point I suppose.
/r/seduction08/10/19 11:27 AM
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and instead of interrupting to say the usual things like "that's cool!" or "yeah my sister went there too and she said ..." Yeah, I never do that. I'm not a rapport-builder. Sometimes I catch my body mirroring, get disturbed by it, and shut it down. I don't even know why this happens. take an extra moment and try to guess her emotions, Yeah and I definitely don't do this.
/r/seduction08/10/19 11:17 AM
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You can crack a joke lol no I fucking can't
/r/seduction08/10/19 11:13 AM
1

I don't really like or understand films tbh It's like Larry David about the ocean.
/r/seduction08/10/19 11:12 AM
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University. Biggest missed opportunity of my fucking life. And I was there for like 8 or 9 years, too... (due to then-undiagnosed ADD.)
/r/seduction08/10/19 11:11 AM
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100%
/r/seduction08/10/19 10:50 AM
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I have most or all of Street Attraction since I have no internet at home and I'm not going to watch that shit in the library. PM me with requests for specific vids (I can't be arsed uploading the lot to Google Drive one by one, or setting up a server or something where I could upload them all at once).
/r/seduction08/10/19 10:47 AM
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It must have been in PM because I'm not seeing it in you history.
/r/seduction07/10/19 03:03 PM
1

Female proceptivity (while letting the man think it was him) is literally more common than not. Kind of sad (for the girl) but true.
/r/seduction07/10/19 02:50 PM
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Nothing on that graph says anything about gender, literally at all. It's probably men rating women.
/r/seduction07/10/19 02:22 PM
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Speak for yourself (let me guess, you were already sexually active before PUA). For some of us seduction is uphill-enough a battle that it's embrace the grind or else make no progress at all.
/r/seduction07/10/19 02:15 PM
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Yeah I probably have fear of rejection then
/r/seduction05/10/19 01:41 PM
1

I'll add: James Marshall doesn't do flirting and bantering, which is why I'm drawn to him, but on the other hand, he's all about oohing and ahhing over a girl's fashion, so again you have to put on an act.
/r/seduction05/10/19 01:36 PM
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It's the opposite. You have to learn flirting, teasing, all these things that ordinarily you would never do to anyone.
/r/seduction05/10/19 01:32 PM
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So do people with a fear of rejection walk round literally thinking "oh no, I hope I don't get rejected", or what is it like? Just wondering how to know if you have fear of rejection or not, because I act exactly as if I have the worst fear of rejection ever, all while not understanding why anyone would ever have a fear of such a thing. I can understand being bummed about doing the work of talking to a girl and then getting no return on it, but that isn't really a fear, you know. Rejection means…
/r/seduction04/10/19 03:50 PM
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1) I'm not interested in relationships, and yes, I know what a red flag is, and I've never heard of introversion alone being a red flag. 2) I don't know if that can be done, but if it can then it's clearly the ideal. Like literally half the point of daygame is avoiding or minimising all the usual socialfagging you have to do - build my social-circle empire so I'll have access to like five more women (but 500 times the work of five daygame lays), join clubs and classes on the off chance there'll …
/r/seduction04/10/19 03:27 PM
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You were talking about flirting and stuff as if it's something you have to do, so I gave a counterexample.
/r/seduction04/10/19 02:44 PM
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I don't understand why rejection is supposed to be such a big deal or a thing that we're supposed to get over. Nobody ever explains why either.
/r/seduction04/10/19 02:17 PM
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A well-known PUA.
/r/seduction04/10/19 02:15 PM
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I think it's game when you're saying/doing things that you wouldn't be saying/doing to someone you aren't trying to fuck
/r/seduction04/10/19 02:14 PM
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To be fair, I don't see James Marshall doing flirting, bantering, stupid games, etc. Explain that.
/r/seduction04/10/19 02:10 PM
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I can't tell you how amusing I find the whole 'girls don't care about looks, bro' as i'm sharing an office with girls ogling over handsome guys on insta and sending dm's and stuff lol. The playing field is levelled as soon as those guys open their mouths. Or fail to do so, although that one can go both ways.
/r/seduction04/10/19 02:07 PM
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I'm not overthinking it, I'm just asking how I'm supposed to do my first conversation without knowing how to do it.
/r/seduction04/10/19 02:03 PM
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That's a strawman, he did explicitly set the bar at "keeping up with the next guy".
/r/seduction04/10/19 01:55 PM
1

Have you ever had a really great conversation? Yeah
/r/seduction04/10/19 01:52 PM
1

I would never come up with any of that. I don't care what someone is studying, even if I want to fuck them.
/r/seduction04/10/19 01:40 PM
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You moved the problem from t=0 to t=a few seconds and now you're acting like either you solved it or it doesn't exist.
/r/seduction04/10/19 01:37 PM
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I would prefer if these guys would develop social skills first with their family, friends, classmates, co-workers etc. before they go out and do cold daygame approaches. I'm not interested in those people. With girls I at least want to be talking to them even if I'm no good at it.
/r/seduction04/10/19 01:36 PM
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I like the idea of direct better. It's more socially acceptable (in Anglo countries other than America - see "Preframes: why you HAVE TO use them") You only need to learn game, not generalised conversation skills If she isn't interested you get out of the conversation straight away
/r/seduction03/10/19 06:01 PM
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'Fact-collecting' is supposed to be a bad thing too
/r/seduction03/10/19 05:51 PM
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They'll answer the "what are you up to?" and then I'll be like: oh. What do you do about responses that aren't questions? I know how to answer questions, and really, that's about it. And I gather that giving factual answers to questions is a bad thing in seduction, anyway, so really I don't even have answering questions down...
/r/seduction03/10/19 05:28 PM
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By stumbling through your first few Yes, but how? If I don't know what to say, then how do I start?
/r/seduction03/10/19 04:35 PM
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Yes, but how
/r/seduction03/10/19 04:26 PM
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Let me know if you ever find out. If I find out first I'll let you know.
/r/seduction03/10/19 04:12 PM
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I mean I kind of do need to "do more research" because I have no idea what in the fuck to say. I've honestly never seen a girl where I knew what I could possibly say to her. If I did I'd probably still chicken, but the point is I never even have.
/r/seduction03/10/19 04:11 PM
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I don't understand what you're trying to say. That some guys just shouldn't learn pickup?
/r/seduction03/10/19 02:42 PM
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Out of curiosity, did you find the other guy's reply useful? I have the same problem and didn't find his reply useful (or new).
/r/seduction03/10/19 02:19 PM
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/u/freevoulous: well?
/r/seduction03/10/19 02:09 PM
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I'm interested in qualification as it's something I can conceivably do, unlike flirting and banter - but I don't understand it. How are you going to do a running stop on a girl, compliment her, and then just start asking her if she's worth talking to? You already ran up to her*, it seems weird to do that and then just start acting too cool for school. Like James Marshall's point about doing such a stop and then asking for directions. I don't like your examples, either. The boring one wouldn't wo…
/r/seduction03/10/19 02:04 PM
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Yes, but what about daygame? You originally said most systems for daygame are different from the ones I've been seeing.
/r/seduction02/10/19 02:20 PM
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Well? What are these other systems? All I ever hear in daygame is to give them a compliment and ooh and ahh over their fashion.
/r/seduction02/10/19 12:46 PM
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I'm just trying to understand the mindset of the "the approach is the hardest part" people. Like, no... putting one foot in front of the other until you're near the girl isn't more complicated than running game on her. Even I found approaching easy, back when I knew word-for-word what words I was going to say. Extemporaneous speech, that's the hard part.
/r/seduction01/10/19 04:21 PM
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Not if I'm not having sex. Plus, I'm not really interested in things anyway.
/r/seduction01/10/19 04:06 PM
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So knowing what to say and stuff is 10%?
/r/seduction01/10/19 03:55 PM
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I'm not interested in people.
/r/seduction01/10/19 03:53 PM
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There are so many questions that flow naturally if you're genuinely curious about knowing the person. Yeah but what if you're not?
/r/seduction01/10/19 03:29 PM
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90% of the way?
/r/seduction01/10/19 03:22 PM
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How are you getting as far as a date in the first place?
/r/seduction01/10/19 01:45 PM
1

I think it’s as easy as focusing on your breath. Maybe that actually is easy for people that are able to do it, I dunno.
/r/seduction30/09/19 01:53 PM
1

"Step one, clear your mind" Gee, thanks.
/r/seduction30/09/19 01:49 PM
1

Talk to her like you would a new dude you met "So ummm, uhhhhhhhhhh"
/r/seduction30/09/19 01:20 PM
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/r/missedsignals
/r/seduction30/09/19 01:00 PM
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I have been poorly socialised since my childhood. Things don't come easy when it comes to me especially if its an attractive girl I am talking to. I've seen this remark alot and I don't get it. Why would the one type of person you actually kind of want to be talking to be the more difficult case? At least you have a motivation in that case. At least you have some interest in the outcome. Some reason to try.
/r/seduction26/09/19 06:10 PM
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Why would you ever talk to a girl unless you expected it to lead to something in the future?
/r/seduction26/09/19 05:10 PM
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Nothing bad happens when you approach You have to talk to someone.
/r/seduction26/09/19 05:07 PM
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I've had very good looking friends who girls would LITERALLY throw themselves at. Yes but you need to then not fuck that up. But without her tihnking you're handsome, attraction (through 'game') doesn't happen People who aren't handsome are getting laid every single day, dude.
/r/seduction26/09/19 04:46 PM
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Past 'hello', at least, they don't matter. I get IOIs, but after that, nothing. 30yo virgin.
/r/seduction26/09/19 04:28 PM
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She can get basically anyone. The guy above me is talking as if you can only get people exactly your equal, instead of less-than-or-equal. And looks have little to nothing to do with male attractiveness so you can shut the fuck up about that.
/r/seduction26/09/19 04:22 PM
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It would be hard for me to take an acting class because I don't like or understand movies. Like...I go to the cinema, and I don't even know if it was a good or bad film until I go on Wikipedia afterwards and see what other people thought. Maybe I could take an acting class if I weren't trying to pretend to be into it and was just all "look, I'm just here because the seduction community keeps going on about it". If I'm paying them maybe they wouldn't consider that too much of a disruption, I dunn…
/r/seduction26/09/19 03:52 PM
1

I'm listening...
/r/seduction26/09/19 02:16 PM
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But I'm tired of 1. Their cold reaction while talking to a stranger ( they make give just one word answers or responses) What would you do if a randomer just started talking at you?
/r/seduction26/09/19 01:56 PM
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In the real world, no guy, despite game, would be able to bang a girl like that without being extremely handsome or being a celeb or something Why? A girl needs to get laid, too. At some point she can't count on waiting around for this male 10 you describe. Basically you're saying some people are so attractive they can't get sex.
/r/seduction26/09/19 01:51 PM
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Are compliments not the norm in daygame?
/r/seduction26/09/19 01:46 PM
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I'm an introvert, so any kind of conversation is something I want to avoid. Ideal game is whatever comes closest to approach hey do you want to have sex
/r/seduction25/09/19 03:58 PM
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I'll watch it, but since I am an introvert, I think I would know what introversion is.
/r/seduction25/09/19 03:44 PM
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Women don't like sex, they like good sex.
/r/seduction25/09/19 02:21 PM
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Introverts are significantly better at having insightful meaningful conversations, What.
/r/seduction25/09/19 02:20 PM
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Indirect as a Brit makes no sense to me. You can't just go up to someone and start talking at them about random shit. They need to know up front your reason for being there or else you're literally the socially-retarded guy who doesn't even know you're supposed to do that.
/r/seduction25/09/19 01:53 PM
1

consciously make small habits to approach like twice a day But then it isn't stop worrying about girls is it?
/r/seduction25/09/19 01:39 PM
1

I thought flirting was all that talking like a drag queen (albeit not as exaggerated as that) and stuff. Wikipedia confused me too by listing straight kino as an example of flirting.
/r/seduction24/09/19 05:09 PM
1

Guys have like a 10 year head start on them. What. Girls are sexual prodigies compared to boys.
/r/seduction24/09/19 04:31 PM
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There's been PUA videos where they state actual numbers for how big a city needs to be to be viable for daygame. I can't directly recall those numbers but I can remember thinking "shit, so Belfast is right on the edge of viable", so yeah... you're in the same boat as me.
/r/seduction24/09/19 04:18 PM
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So instead of staying stuck in your head, start being more aware. /r/wowthanksImcured What's with the downvotes? He might as well be saying "Just don't have ADD then"
/r/seduction24/09/19 03:31 PM
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I mean he's clearly correct that those pairs he listed are of contradictory things. I'll add one more: "Don't be needy" - "Approach girls" Why am I talking to someone at all, let alone initiating, if I don't want something from them?
/r/seduction24/09/19 03:25 PM
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Shit advice. If I'm not consciously pursuing women then I'm not even crossing paths with them let alone talking to them.
/r/seduction24/09/19 03:12 PM
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I can see why that's qualification; I can't see why it's "flirting".
/r/seduction24/09/19 03:05 PM
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But is that stated preference or revealed preference? (I'm a handsome 30yo KV.)
/r/seduction23/09/19 01:34 PM
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The thing is you need to be present in the first place to remember do to those things. I take my watch into the shower to avoid having an ADD shower, then never look at it because I'm focused on the song or imaginary conversation in my head. If I were present enough to remember to look at it, then I'd already be present enough to just directly remember to get scrubbing, and I wouldn't need the watch.
/r/seduction23/09/19 01:29 PM
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Yeah but you're all female
/r/seduction23/09/19 01:19 PM
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Do you guys think we’re a separate species completely different from humans and are static enough to be indistinguishable from one another in behavior? Yes. Greater Male Variability hypothesis.
/r/seduction23/09/19 01:11 PM
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God damn, this thread is a mess. The original 'seddit locator' was more systematic.
/r/seduction23/09/19 12:42 PM
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DM me too. NI but can travel (to Dublin only; not interested in other places or multi-hop train trips...). Daygame only. Edit: Ctrl-F bait: Belfast Northern Ireland
/r/seduction23/09/19 12:40 PM
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Yeah. I wish you could just walk up to a woman and be all hey are you single sweet, let's have sex then.
/r/seduction21/09/19 04:08 PM
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I think he's asking how you go from not touching them to touching them. Like, in the middle of the conversation do you just stick your hand out and start touching them? Any time anyone's done that to me it's felt as weird as it looks. Always makes me wonder what they're thinking that led them to do it. Oh, and teenagers don't really say "kissless virgin"; if they're a male then it pretty much goes without saying. Look at the digits in his username.
/r/seduction21/09/19 04:07 PM
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Seems like a catch-22.
/r/seduction21/09/19 02:23 PM
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I could climb Mount Everest AND go cave diving and I still wouldn't have a good story. "Uh, yeah, it was good"
/r/seduction21/09/19 02:23 PM
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Nothing is on my mind in social situations. Am I really the only one?
/r/seduction20/09/19 12:37 PM
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Your two bullet points sound like you're basically against preframes.
/r/seduction20/09/19 11:53 AM
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Necessary but not sufficient. I've never been a "nice guy", "friend-zoned", put women on a pedestal, or anything like that, but I've also never been laid. I don't have the social skills plus if I'm not cold-approaching I'm not even crossing paths with women in the first place.
/r/seduction11/09/19 04:14 PM
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You're changing other variables other than directness between those two examples.
/r/seduction11/09/19 02:04 PM
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If a homeless looking guy is capable of pulling hot girls... why can’t everybody have that? Because not everybody has that guy's attractiveness. And I don't mean his looks or his look, I mean his attractiveness. Humour, social skills, ability to create an emotional connection...
/r/seduction11/09/19 01:49 PM
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I have seen some of the ugliest guys, with facial features contorted, crooked teeth and zero wealth consistently score 7s and 8s. If they could do that, why can’t you? That's like saying "I've seen guys with an even number of letters in their name... if they could do it then why can't you??" Your example of an incurable guy really should be someone with severe Asperger's or something.
/r/seduction10/09/19 04:25 PM
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Was "she looks at me and walks away" the thing you feared? I never understood that one, especially why people talk about it like it's the worst possible one out of all the failed-approach situations. You don't even have to talk to them in that case. And then at that point you're just going about your day as normal. I walk away from people all the time. Before PUA I had no idea normal people were so affected by it. I still don't actually understand it.
/r/seduction09/09/19 01:54 PM
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Edited to add something
/r/seduction07/09/19 01:01 PM
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younger than me Get those girls while you still can, you fucker Edit: Assuming you're like 16 or 17... not 14.
/r/seduction07/09/19 12:45 PM
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Don't know about OP but a true hardcase often isn't able to meditate.
/r/seduction06/09/19 04:37 PM
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For some of us, "get interested in sports" might as well be "get interested in dolls". Can't be done.
/r/seduction06/09/19 02:14 PM
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How come you hadn't kissed a girl yet? Why didn't you have that many friends? I don't understand what people's lives are like that they can ask these questions. Not kissing a girl is the default state and getting out of that state is hard - men view it as so outside of their control that they refer to it as "getting lucky". And you're talking about it like it's something that just inevitably, automatically happens.
/r/seduction02/09/19 04:44 PM
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I don't understand what's so "American" about reversing a car (or why it has 24 upvotes), but You can't chat with random, normal people in other countries, you can only approach and chat with random hot girls. Double-LOL is true. When you do a direct cold approach you're stating your reason for being there in the first five seconds, so there's no "why is this weird fuck talking to me?", plus we've seen it working plenty on youtube.
/r/seduction02/09/19 04:34 PM
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James Marshall just published a speech with rolled-up sleeves.
/r/seduction02/09/19 04:18 PM
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just make women laugh just I don't think I've ever intentionally made someone laugh in my life.
/r/seduction02/09/19 04:17 PM
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Bartle doo?
/r/seduction02/09/19 03:57 PM
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You can be handsome and not be photogenic. t. handsome with Asperger's and ADD.
/r/seduction02/09/19 03:53 PM
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doggo downvoted
/r/seduction01/09/19 04:51 PM
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Hayley Quinn
/r/seduction29/08/19 05:48 PM
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Yeah, that's the weird part.
/r/seduction28/08/19 10:06 PM
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I never know what to compliment them on except for their attractiveness. And anyway "hey I like your ____" without being able to say what you like about it is weird.
/r/seduction28/08/19 08:23 PM
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I saw the best advice evar!! posts bog-standard advice
/r/seduction28/08/19 05:42 PM
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If I knew what the five words were I'd be able to say them.
/r/seduction28/08/19 05:02 PM
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This doesn't work for me. I'm exceptionally bad at extemporaneous speech; knowing well that my objective of the day is "give them a compliment" doesn't help me come up with the actual words, especially not on the spot. I even need to rehearse the exact words for food orders.
/r/seduction28/08/19 09:25 AM
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Knowing when to tease isn't technically the same thing as knowing how to tease. I.e. you could be standing next to OP giving him the signal that now is the time to tease, but he still wouldn't be able to do it because he doesn't know what words to say. So I think your advice is "necessary but not sufficient".
/r/seduction28/08/19 09:02 AM
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So do looks really matter for that stuff? I've always avoided online dating because it seems to be all about being able to do the witty banter.
/r/seduction27/08/19 05:36 AM
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Looks interesting, add some fucking formatting and I'll read it.
/r/seduction26/08/19 10:08 PM
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Who keeps downvoting this guy's posts?
/r/seduction26/08/19 06:37 PM
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Wrong. I check girls out all the time and then either ignore them or drive them away. Also, the girl in the OP really is driving him away rather than just politely declining which is what a normal person would do. Edit: I also specifically distinguish from avoidant personality from regular social anxiety (which is well-understood and doesn't need to be talked about any more) in the comment you are replying to.
/r/seduction26/08/19 12:41 PM
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Abandon all hope; people that can flirt never explain how they can do it. The good news is I'm not sure if you need to flirt. James Marshall doesn't do that teasing and flirting. He just talks to the girl. Edit: And the other guy ITT is proving my first point perfectly.
/r/seduction26/08/19 10:07 AM
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He made it sound like she was mirin' hard before driving him away once it looked like something could happen. So my explanation is consistent with that. But yes, given that there are other ways to explain what has happened, she probably isn't avoidant. Avoidant personality is less common in woman than men, too. What I'm actually doing is raising awareness of avoidant personality in this community, since most advice here, for people who try and try and still can't do it, is more oriented around r…
/r/seduction25/08/19 05:14 PM
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So he approached and she did exactly what an avoidant would do...
/r/seduction25/08/19 04:58 PM
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She might be avoidant (fear of intimacy) although it would be very rare for an avoidant to be in a bar in the first place.
/r/seduction25/08/19 04:47 PM
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I can list a 100 more ways you can keep a conversation going and never run out of things to say, but I won't. Maybe you should, because the one here isn't very helpful.
/r/seduction25/08/19 04:14 PM
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Skimmed his Wikipedia page and I'm not aware that he had anything especially wrong with him pre-PUA.
/r/seduction24/08/19 11:07 PM
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More or less all of the big PUA's you may have heard of started at rock bottom Examples? All the ones I know just found out one day that you're allowed to do this stuff, then the next day went out and did it. In the words of a recent post here, "All I had to do was approach" i.e. "I have all the needed abilities already e.g. conversation skills, the only thing missing is I'm not approaching".
/r/seduction24/08/19 09:51 PM
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Avoidant personality
/r/seduction23/08/19 11:41 PM
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How would he know what the hardest part is?
/r/seduction23/08/19 11:00 PM
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Yeah, that's nothing that people who can't make conversation haven't heard a hundred times before.
/r/seduction23/08/19 10:24 PM
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I already know about openers... the question is what do you say after?
/r/seduction23/08/19 10:05 PM
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I am trying. I tried all day today. I just got home.
/r/seduction23/08/19 09:03 PM
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it is not that hard Yeah - for you. Some people are just naturals. approached 7 girls and got 5 numbers Yeah. James Marshall got a phone number on the first try and had sex in the first week. Some people are just naturals. For the rest of us it's more likely to go something like this. which I would consider pretty successful? How is that even a question? I can't believe the standard platitude that approaching is the hardest part, either. It isn't possible for walking up to someone to be easier t…
/r/seduction23/08/19 10:52 AM
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Todd V sounds about 15 so...
/r/seduction22/08/19 08:01 PM
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How much of what you say is actually backed up by experience? Because what you're talking about makes no sense. Talking to strangers in a line doesn't happen, your directions opener for talking to girls doesn't work, and as for your example about guys, see my And if I do have a reason to be talking to them, then where is the conversation-skills practice? I'll just get whatever thing or information I'm there to get, and then be gone.
/r/seduction22/08/19 04:04 PM
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But what reason is there for two men to be talking to each other? That's the bit I don't understand. You can't just go up to a man and start talking at him for no apparent reason.
/r/seduction22/08/19 01:38 PM
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Natural game is direct. They know from the start why you're there. It's socially acceptable.
/r/seduction21/08/19 11:32 PM
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No idea, I imagine I'd run out of things to say though.
/r/seduction21/08/19 10:11 PM
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Mom Oh you're American
/r/seduction21/08/19 08:08 PM
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It's pretty frustrating when something is being presented as this one simple trick that changes everything, but then turns out to just be common sense.
/r/seduction21/08/19 07:46 PM
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Oh. So nothing I didn't already know.
/r/seduction21/08/19 07:40 PM
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This is what every single guy who can't interact with girls thinks. It's not. I can see them giving me signals, or very occasionally outright approaching me, so obviously I know they want me to approach them. I never had any especially strong belief in "girls aren't like that (sexual)" either.
/r/seduction21/08/19 07:38 PM
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Could you clarify? Am I supposed to become an asexual or something?
/r/seduction21/08/19 07:32 PM
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Who approaches people that they don't have some intention about?
/r/seduction21/08/19 07:29 PM
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That doesn't make any sense (unless people are much more hung-up about sex stuff than I realised...). If you're in a shop and you can't find what you're looking for, it's easy to approach the staff and ask them about it - because you have an objective. But talking to someone without an objective? How are you even supposed to know what to say, where to begin?
/r/seduction21/08/19 07:27 PM
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So don't chase them but do approach them. Right. Stop trying, just approach them without trying to.
/r/seduction21/08/19 07:01 PM
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You haven't even done anything to say why it should be easier, what do you expect?
/r/seduction21/08/19 06:38 PM
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I don't know which situation you're asking about but no, I don't really care about either of those things.
/r/seduction21/08/19 05:20 PM
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I'm not more scared of hitting on girls than I am of weirdly talking to them for no apparent reason...
/r/seduction21/08/19 04:57 PM
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Well all the professional PUAs advocate talking to them to pick them up, which makes much more sense to me.
/r/seduction21/08/19 04:36 PM
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So you approach someone, project/state your intent which is "I'm practicing my skills", and then...?
/r/seduction21/08/19 04:08 PM
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Glad I'm not the only one who sees that advice for what it is. I was worried if I was being avoidant about it.
/r/seduction21/08/19 04:05 PM
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don't think about fucking her or any of that, just talk to her like any regular person I see this advice all the time and I never understand it. If I have no special reason to be talking to someone then I'm not talking to them at all. But surely you aren't trying to tell me "go up to girls and then say nothing".
/r/seduction21/08/19 04:04 PM
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Can I get a British opinion on the following perennial advice? Talk to everyone! Chat up the bus driver! Go up to old people in the park and start talking at them! It's easier because you get nothing out of it! Is this actually good advice for everyone, everywhere? Or is it just that the Americans who say it don't realise how American they're being?
/r/seduction21/08/19 03:33 PM
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This advice comes up here constantly, and this part, among others, is the bit I don't understand: they are men and there is no sexual interest involved, is much easier to do. If I have no reason to be talking to them, then how am I supposed to know what to say? Why is it easier? (And if I do have a reason to be talking to them, then were is the conversation-skills practice? I'll just get whatever thing or information I'm there to get, and then be gone.)
/r/seduction21/08/19 03:25 PM
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It makes me sad that this type of post is always such a big hit here.
/r/seduction21/08/19 02:41 PM
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Can't relate to the first paragraph at all.
/r/seduction21/08/19 02:39 PM
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I don't understand why this is the top comment. "They don't seem as hot" - is that... good? I see this type of comment from time to time and I really don't understand it.
/r/seduction21/08/19 01:37 PM
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I didn't say I was fine with it, I said it obviously isn't a proven tip for overcoming approach anxiety. If it were then there would be no approach anxiety in anyone, because 100% of people are smart enough to have thought of it.
/r/seduction21/08/19 10:55 AM
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I don't doubt that most people like talking about themselves, I just think the specific lines he prescribes don't sound like anything an actual person would say.
/r/seduction21/08/19 09:57 AM
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Mmm, elephant fresh
/r/seduction21/08/19 08:47 AM
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The last one isn't that motivating. I already know what a sexless existence is like. It isn't unknown and scary.
/r/seduction20/08/19 03:45 PM
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If I'm being myself then it would just be "wanna have sex?" and answering any questions with just yes or no. So I need scripts or some kind of system. If anybody has any that don't entail flirtatious banter that would be nice.
/r/seduction20/08/19 03:22 PM
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And then what did you say?
/r/seduction20/08/19 03:02 PM
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used his model only a little, and stacking was fantastic. I haven't gotten as far as actually talking to a girl yet, but the whole "what I noticed about you was...", "when I think of ... I think of..." seems contrived.
/r/seduction20/08/19 11:51 AM
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It is possible though
/r/seduction20/08/19 11:17 AM
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So how do you get from that to the networking?
/r/seduction19/08/19 06:31 PM
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Could we at least get a reason?
/r/seduction19/08/19 06:15 PM
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And then you ask to network with them? Or is it snuck in in some way? It just isn't something I can see normal people saying.
/r/seduction19/08/19 06:12 PM
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but I feel like we don't have an 'edge' over regular Joe Cold approach is the edge
/r/seduction19/08/19 05:02 PM
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I kept hearing that when I was at university and I never understood it. Like...do you just go up to someone and be all "hi, can I network with you?"?
/r/seduction19/08/19 04:58 PM
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Even in America though (AFAIK). Thanks for the tips.
/r/seduction19/08/19 11:44 AM
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I wonder how many people on here also go on /r/sex
/r/seduction19/08/19 11:15 AM
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Types two and three. It's very rare to ever find material for type one. James Marshall's Dating Accelerator actually presumes conversation skills to the point of not even telling you what to say after hello...
/r/seduction19/08/19 11:09 AM
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17 is legal almost everywhere m8
/r/seduction19/08/19 09:14 AM
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Hayley Quinn on YouTube. Good luck.
/r/seduction19/08/19 08:53 AM
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Git gud at sex or something, then you view yourself as doing her a favour by approaching her. The opposite of needy.
/r/seduction19/08/19 08:44 AM
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More like a Quarker
/r/seduction18/08/19 06:11 PM
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What is this quote even trying to say though? That if you approach, you're guaranteed sex? Not true, one sex for every fifty approaches I'm told is quite good.
/r/seduction18/08/19 01:21 PM
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I don't get it - why set out to get rejected? If you're putting in the work of talking to them then you might as well get something from it.
/r/seduction18/08/19 09:45 AM
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I don't understand the concept of having to learn to handle rejection... Guy: [says some stuff] Girl: Okay bye What is there to 'learn'?
/r/seduction18/08/19 09:42 AM
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I mean if it's only for six hours you could just leave the tab open.
/r/seduction17/08/19 06:05 PM
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https://ih0.redbubble.net/image.410190552.3602/ap,550x550,16x12,1,transparent,t.u2.png
/r/seduction17/08/19 05:45 PM
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At least you're not socially repulsive.
/r/seduction17/08/19 05:18 PM
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So if you don't like people it's pretty much game over?
/r/seduction17/08/19 03:56 PM
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I find it hard to believe that "fear of rejection" (something I can't relate to at all, by the way - if the pickup community wasn't constantly rabbiting on about it, it would never occur to me it's a fear that people have...) was the one thing standing between you and knowing to say to people.
/r/seduction17/08/19 12:22 PM
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I can't for the life of me understand it when people talk about this stuff like it's easier than, a warm-up to, talking to a girl. Like, at least I have a reason to be talking to the girl. Talking to people qua talking to people? I don't think I've literally ever done it in my life. Without an objective how are you supposed to know what to say? And what are you even getting it out of? It's like a case of https://www.reddit.com/r/depthhub/comments/1nnk41/_/cckahzk..
/r/seduction17/08/19 09:11 AM
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Just be glad you don't have the type of ADD that's more autismy.
/r/seduction17/08/19 09:04 AM
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I live in the UK in a medium sized town, and I'm about 35 minutes away from a major city. This sounds good/okay but isn't. In the coming months you're going to want to be able to pop in and out ad hoc, namely the second you notice a window of no rain. Can't do that when there's a half-hour overhead.
/r/seduction16/08/19 04:30 PM
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I'd say introverts place more of a premium on the face if anything.
/r/seduction15/08/19 07:55 AM
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Women are different, they can trust themselves to keep their secrets secret. Any MILF has been doing so already.
/r/seduction14/08/19 10:09 PM
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It's taboo as fuck, that's what he has to offer. Women are fucked up.
/r/seduction14/08/19 09:29 PM
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A siterip of headspace.com and also a thing by James Marshall in the Dating Accelerator product. I also have a book on mindfulness meditation specifically for adult ADHD which comes with a CD I haven't gotten around to yet. And no, I wouldn't actually say I've "been meditating" for months. I'd say that on most days for the last few months I've been allotting time in which to meditate, and sitting with closed eyes (and my usual ADHD imaginary conversations/arguments) while a meditation audio is p…
/r/seduction14/08/19 07:57 PM
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You're proving my point from my other comment in this subthread.
/r/seduction14/08/19 03:43 PM
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They might not meditate but they do have high dispositional mindfulness. Anyone that's good at anything does.
/r/seduction14/08/19 03:39 PM
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Oh. So if you were sitting around doing nothing, for instance, or out for a walk doing nothing, you would never describe yourself as being too in your head to, say, watch where you're going? And if that's not what in your head means, then what is the term for it? I'm more likely to find a solution if I know what to look for...
/r/seduction14/08/19 03:33 PM
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What? 99% of the time that I'm in my head (whether I'm in pickup mode or not) it's nothing to do with "considering information", it's just everyday internal monologue. And when I am practicing pickup then I'm definitely not thinking about theory, because there is none - all I'm working on right now is approaching, and going up to a girl and then not being able to say anything is still an approach, so I don't even need to be worrying about what to say, and so I don't. How many times do I have to …
/r/seduction14/08/19 01:17 PM
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Depressed people can concentrate; you might as well be telling me that people with a broken leg can meditate. And I said months, not one week.
/r/seduction14/08/19 01:02 PM
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That doesn't get you out of your head, though. All it means is you don't have as much conflicting information.
/r/seduction14/08/19 12:52 PM
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I've been at it for months and am not seeing the benefits that normal people get after a week. Yes, some of those studies literally say one week, IIRC. My question to you is: why would it not be the case that not everyone can meditate? Once you admit some people are better at stuff than others then it's just a matter of statistics that some people can't do it at all.
/r/seduction14/08/19 12:46 PM
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That's obvious, but from the point of view of people who have social skills, it will always just be "just do it", "just be yourself", "that's literally it", etc.
/r/seduction14/08/19 12:11 PM
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There are many papers demonstrating that meditation has clear and repeatable benefits. For people that are able to do it, that seems to be the case. But not everyone can meditate.
/r/seduction14/08/19 11:59 AM
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So would the downvoters at least like to answer my question? When normal people say 'in their head' are they referring to something different that what I thought it meant? When you say things like 'just stop thinking so much then' like it's a choice it makes me think we're talking at cross purposes.
/r/seduction14/08/19 11:47 AM
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People who say it doesn’t work are usually the ones who need it most. I definitely need the results it's supposed to bring the most. I can't get there via meditation, though.
/r/seduction14/08/19 11:37 AM
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That stuff is all orthogonal to being in your head in that the person who's in their head is going to be in their head regardless. Again, 'in their head' here means what I use it to mean, which you haven't confirmed or denied to be the same thing other people are talking about when they use the phrase. If a person walks around continuously subvocalizing, such that their ability to react to the world around them is about the same as reacting to it while talking to someone, then what does it matte…
/r/seduction14/08/19 08:12 AM
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A guy is in his head all the time because he's in his head all the time. It's a function of the way he is. I don't see why the amount of stuff he's read would have anything to do with it. Except if when normal people say 'in head' they're talking about something other than what I think it means. I have ADD, this aspergers thread describes perfectly my experience: https://www.reddit.com/r/aspergers/comments/cgqtzl/you_have_rich_inner_dialogue/
/r/seduction14/08/19 07:30 AM
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I didn't say I have any issues about no... I've been no'd before, it doesn't feel like anything, you just move on. I'll throw my computer out the window if I see yet another 'fear of rejection' post, because it crowds out discussion about avoidant personality (am I really the only guy here with this issue?) plus I simply can't relate to the idea of a crippling fear of rejection in the first place.
/r/seduction13/08/19 06:32 PM
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Do you think being indirect is what made it easier? For me it would be that asking for the McDonalds, you don't have to stick around and talk to them. Nothing to do with showing intent versus hiding it.
/r/seduction13/08/19 06:16 PM
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what's the worse that could happen? I have to talk to her.
/r/seduction13/08/19 05:58 PM
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That particular girl is weird about age gap. Nothing more, nothing less. Move on.
/r/seduction10/08/19 03:01 PM
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To meditate you need to 1) be able to concentrate, and 2) have enough dispositional mindfulness to "bootstrap" the mindfulness meditation. I haven't been seeing these benefits that studies keep saying normal people start getting after just one week of meditation.
/r/seduction09/08/19 09:27 AM
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If you add up approaches and cat-calls I think I've had about six of that in my life. Mainly I just get IOIs, including by girls I was seeing around for years (in university). I just get that sense that people who were regularly seeing me around, yet never interacting with anyone, think I'm somehow interesting. In the case of girls, I always liked that, even though I'm avoidant. But now that I'm out of university I'm not seeing the same people around over and over, so I lose that advantage.
/r/seduction08/08/19 10:08 PM
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had sex not good with girls what.
/r/seduction08/08/19 09:41 PM
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TBH I'm less interested in "what changed" than in how you were having sex when you could "barely talk to girls". That doesn't make any sense.
/r/seduction08/08/19 09:30 PM
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Be the best aspects of yourself. If there are things you find that others like about you, accentuate them. I'm tall and good-looking, so my avoidant personality makes me seem "mysterious" or something. When I'm new on the scene people always try to chum up to me. I don't think I should be trying to accentuate this. Not that I want to be all faggoty and social, but I do want to have a girlfriend.
/r/seduction08/08/19 09:25 PM
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Meditation is a catch-22 and I'm sick of fucking hearing about.
/r/seduction08/08/19 08:44 PM
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My brother is in Australia and I'm not any better at talking to him than I am to anybody else anyway.
/r/seduction07/08/19 08:05 PM
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just get a wingman But how? Do you just go up to someone and say "do you want to be my wingman?"
/r/seduction07/08/19 07:51 PM
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I never approached a girl and I think I will do the same, So how did it go?
/r/seduction07/08/19 06:01 PM
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Prince O Tony Solo Alpha Male Strategies
/r/seduction06/08/19 08:32 PM
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talk
/r/seduction05/08/19 01:03 PM
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Same thing I say to everything. "Oh." I'm not suggesting you start doing this. It's my avoidant personality.
/r/seduction04/08/19 04:51 PM
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But I think people only get to this point after approaching a lot. I was actually referring to the British norm of not being able to talk to people if they don't know in the first five seconds what you're there for. You can approach randomers as a charity collector or a Mormon, you can't go up to someone and just start making small talk though (even though that's a common "warm-up" exercise suggested by Americans).
/r/seduction04/08/19 04:39 PM
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26 is young. 30 is old, if you think about it*. Crazy how fast that happens. Score some under-18s while you still can. *If you want to have children, then you have just five years to lose your virginity, get your number up to normal, have multiple LTRs including the one you make your marriage...
/r/seduction04/08/19 05:06 AM
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Your chances at birth of dying a virgin are less than 1%.
/r/seduction04/08/19 04:52 AM
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I don't think it's like that for me. The better-looking they are, the more I feel like I have a reason to be talking to them.
/r/seduction03/08/19 09:09 PM
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I'm not American or a girl so I think we can do without the smiling. Only thing is, now I have to jump straight into talking to people.
/r/seduction03/08/19 09:08 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKNfVDT8uT4
/r/seduction03/08/19 04:36 PM
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So you mean talk to the staff? What would you say?
/r/seduction03/08/19 04:30 PM
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Walk before you run. That's my point - I don't view going up to random people and talking at them "walking" compared to PU's "running".
/r/seduction03/08/19 04:13 PM
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I don't get why "talk to random strangers" is always the baby-steps exercise. What would you say to them? At least with picking up a girl I have a general idea of what to say, even though I've never managed to get that far.
/r/seduction03/08/19 04:06 PM
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I think street game sounds easier than the things you're suggesting. You're not locked into seeing the same people all the time. You can bail if it's not going well.
/r/seduction02/08/19 08:44 PM
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That reaction would just amuse me.
/r/seduction02/08/19 08:37 AM
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That level of inability, then.
/r/seduction01/08/19 10:15 PM
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I get all that. Except for the part where you talk about rejection like it's the one and only harm. Why can't it be that people have a fear of intimacy, instead? Especially if they're still stuck, as I am, on not even managing an approach. I can't see fear of rejection being consistent with that level of failure when half the internet at this point is inundated with content explaining that rejection isn't a big deal.
/r/seduction01/08/19 10:01 PM
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Is rejection really why people don't approach? I just find it impossible to imagine a guy walking around town all day with a mission to do an approach and not being able to do it because "what if she says no". Yeah, what if she says no? Then she says no. I don't understand what the hangup is.
/r/seduction01/08/19 09:33 PM
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That all seems very artificial to me in that it entails casually talking to your relatives in the first place. Are diagonal relations really a normal thing that people do? Hadn't noticed.
/r/seduction01/08/19 09:13 PM
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Why is it "amusing and fun"? How is it more practice than asking for the real number?
/r/seduction31/07/19 09:55 AM
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What's the reason given in the book for asking for a fake number?
/r/seduction31/07/19 09:49 AM
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The thing is when you're under pressure you're in no state to be able to remember to use breathing techniques and the like.
/r/seduction31/07/19 07:30 AM
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Unless I'm missing something, you didn't say how you now talk to your niblings, only that the results improved.
/r/seduction30/07/19 10:57 PM
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Yes, I know all of this. I don't know why you think restating obvious advice would change anything. Are knowing something and being able to execute it really so closely coupled for normal people that you get to just assume if people can't do it it's because they don't know? We've all seen the field reports where a guy says it's his first day approaching (one day after finding out that you're allowed to do that) and he got this many phone numbers and one date. It's not new information.
/r/seduction29/07/19 11:20 PM
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Perhaps I should learn Polish... contingency for if this place gets too overrun by kebab. I'm handsome enough that I would feel like I'm breaking a social barrier by approaching sixes. Never done it. So glad I'm not like a male model. Goldilocks zone.
/r/seduction28/07/19 07:16 PM
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https://youtu.be/6jNxk1u2uig?t=1674
/r/seduction28/07/19 07:13 PM
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I don't think I even see that many girls in a day that are attractive enough to be approachable.
/r/seduction28/07/19 07:07 PM
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I'm putting myself in his position and it seems to me like once you eliminate the things you've told him not to say, he has nothing left to say.
/r/seduction28/07/19 07:58 AM
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He said the mentality of a teenager. So that's what I was asking about.
/r/seduction27/07/19 06:09 AM
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I'm open to being changed on this matter, I just find the other side never has any reasoning.
/r/seduction26/07/19 10:03 PM
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What's wrong with teenagers?
/r/seduction26/07/19 09:45 PM
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she's getting butterflies in her stomach and her vagina
/r/seduction26/07/19 09:30 PM
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Girls grow up quite fast compared to boys.
/r/seduction26/07/19 09:22 PM
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You can use the what-went-well exercise to help with this.
/r/seduction26/07/19 09:21 PM
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What I really want is some fucking info on the guy James Marshall knew back in Australia when he was starting out.
/r/seduction26/07/19 09:15 PM
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Lindybeige
/r/seduction25/07/19 06:16 PM
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I mean doing the thing where they touch their hair.
/r/seduction24/07/19 06:54 PM
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Your point about indirect being weird also applies to the warm-ups, I think. Go up to a stranger and make small talk with them? No thanks, I'd much rather just attempt a proper approach.
/r/seduction24/07/19 06:15 PM
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True, I'm a handsome guy and I've seen 10yo girls doing it (very occasionally).
/r/seduction24/07/19 06:09 PM
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I don't care about attracting a woman. Right now I'm just working on saying hello. Is that not what all guys that are struggling to approach are doing?
/r/seduction23/07/19 09:48 AM
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Not me, and tbh I can't understand what you're talking about. I know there's plenty of guys with a social circle that's all men and they can't approach women, but "meeting people" generally means meeting people you don't already know...so it's cold approach, so if they can do that then they can also just approach girls.
/r/seduction23/07/19 09:12 AM
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People. I don't know any.
/r/seduction23/07/19 08:25 AM
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Huh? I mean if I could do that, then I wouldn't even need to do that, because I could just meet girls directly.
/r/seduction23/07/19 08:25 AM
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What I meant is I don't know any people.
/r/seduction23/07/19 07:19 AM
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Are you in the UK? Whereabouts?
/r/seduction22/07/19 10:12 PM
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Yeah. Introvert means you don't (as much) feel the absence of people, yes? I've honestly never felt "lonely", although I'm constantly alone.
/r/seduction22/07/19 06:06 PM
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I see comments like this and I'm just amazed that meditation actually has an effect on people - see my other comment about meditation in this thread.
/r/seduction22/07/19 05:00 PM
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So guys that aren't half as bad as me need IRL discipline. Right. I'm fucked.
/r/seduction22/07/19 04:41 PM
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Or maybe "It doesn't matter if I fail, if I approach then I win because I gain experience" Here's the thing, though: I already believe that. I still can't do it. As a handsome guy who knows how to look at a woman, I've seen girls over the years that would have let me open by pretty much walking up to them and kissing them. Couldn't approach those girls either.
/r/seduction22/07/19 04:39 PM
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With ADD you can't necessarily meditate. I'm aware that "there's no such thing as bad meditation"; there's such a thing as not meditating, though, and that's what my "meditation" is - sitting with closed eyes while a meditation audio is playing, but that's not the same thing as meditating, because I miss what the guide is saying half the time, or else I'm able to hear them but not focus enough to do what they say. Here's hoping that fixing my diet (I should also do exercise) brings me close enou…
/r/seduction22/07/19 09:47 AM
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Are you saying that if I got online coaching I would keep on not approaching? Is this something you see happening? I've been considering such coaching for the accountability aspect, I'm afraid that if it's not IRL then it'll make no difference, though...
/r/seduction21/07/19 01:35 PM
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TBF Americans about under-18s isn't just "oh it's a different culture". They get mad about it, they start making arguments they have to know damn well aren't true. It's the weirdest thing. I'm also aware of posts as innocuous as yours being deleted (by the mods, not the user himself - you can still see the posts by going through the users' user pages).
/r/seduction19/07/19 05:21 PM
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Yep. /r/jailbait was one of the most popular subs in the early days of reddit. Traci Lord was the most sought-after porn actress when she was still underage. Nyannyancosplay is the queen of the internet surely in part due to her 15esque facial features.
/r/seduction19/07/19 05:11 PM
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No. But it's not a fair question because fathers are seriously irrational (Madonna/whore complex) about teenage daughters. It would be better if you asked what people think about their 18-year-old friend seeing someone.
/r/seduction19/07/19 05:09 PM
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So let's just walk up to people we have no business talking to and no interest or motivation in talking to?
/r/seduction19/07/19 04:46 PM
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Are warm-ups not supposed to be easier than the thing you're warming up to?
/r/seduction19/07/19 05:45 AM
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I'm painfully aware of this, what's your point?
/r/seduction18/07/19 05:32 PM
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Nothing I haven't heard before, plus I don't even need to hear it, because it's obvious.
/r/seduction18/07/19 10:05 AM
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Brand new sentence
/r/seduction18/07/19 08:31 AM
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Sounds normal to me
/r/seduction17/07/19 05:08 PM
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If this, then flirt with her This instruction always seems like "draw the rest of the fucking owl" to me...
/r/seduction17/07/19 05:06 PM
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My current location isn't technically worse than Liam McRae's living with his parents when he was starting this stuff. So if I were good at talking to people and the only problem was getting them to come home, I could spin my shit location as a positive: a reason to practice rapid escalation. But for practicing approaching I don't see how my location can be anything other than depressing.
/r/seduction17/07/19 11:23 AM
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Crucially important nomatter your level. It's a big decision for a girl to come home with you if you live in a neighbourhood instead of a flat where the front door opens directly onto the footpath of a well-known road. She doesn't know where you're taking her, she doesn't know the way OUT, it would be long and awkward to get there... But even if you're just practicing approaching: travelling to the city is a DAY TRIP for me in that getting there and back is a huge time investment, so I can't jus…
/r/seduction17/07/19 09:43 AM
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I don't understand. If you've been approaching already then what is 'the challenge'?
/r/seduction17/07/19 09:19 AM
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Was that Belsonic
/r/seduction16/07/19 09:59 PM
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James Marshall says in the video called something like Why Do Women Test Men that shit-testing is a learned behaviour since age 17. Between obviously liking them young, generally being in countries with good laws about age, and being able to pick up the natives in fucking Morocco and China, I easily believe he would know a thing or two about under-18s.
/r/seduction16/07/19 09:58 PM
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Yeah, sounds about right. I definitely can't do that stuff. I spend my days walking around with the mission of giving a walk-by compliment and I can't even do that.
/r/seduction16/07/19 01:36 PM
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I can't remember what GLL's AA program is, but I can remember watching the video for it and thinking it wouldn't work for me. Is it another one of those typical things that assumes you're normal about talking to people and only get the problems with it comes to girls? And the exercises are stuff like "make small talk with a stranger", which is ridiculously more difficult than just doing an approach of a girl? (because it's still talking to someone, plus you don't even have a drive or a reason to…
/r/seduction16/07/19 12:08 PM
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I think of initiating conversations with cute strangers as my duty as a man Yeah, so do I. It doesn't help. Knowing facts gets you out of your misconceptions, it doesn't get you out of your anxieties or inabilities. therefore, I'm not a "creeper" and I'm not "bothering" anyone, This wouldn't do anything for me either. The fear is of talking to people, not of bothering them. You remind me of those approach-anxiety articles that assume fear of rejection is the problem and explain the logical (and …
/r/seduction16/07/19 11:34 AM
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How exactly does one stop being a hard case?
/r/seduction12/07/19 07:30 AM
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See, I already KNOW that and believe it. It doesn't help. You can reason people out of misconceptions (rejection is a big deal, women don't want sex, approaching is unallowed, etc), you can't reason them out of actual approach anxiety. That so many people feel helped by comments like yours only proves that people in this community never had actual approach anxiety to begin with.
/r/seduction12/07/19 06:27 AM
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It's the same standard advice that ALL approach anxiety material gives; I don't see what's so special. I'm actually grumpy because I saw the title and first few paragraphs and thought it would be a call-out of the usual approach-anxiety content that only talks about muh fear of rejection (or other fears that I don't have), treats it as one and the same thing as approach anxiety, then acts like it's cured the latter. But it's the same old same-old and nothing I haven't heard before.
/r/seduction12/07/19 05:33 AM
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Yeah, the proper one (from the video) is actually Be handsome Be attractive Don't be unattractive.
/r/seduction07/07/19 09:56 AM
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As the only other person I've come across in this sub who seems to think about this similar to me, any hints on what does work? I can't cold-approach to save my life, I've been walking around with the sole mission of heying (without stopping) passers-by and I can't even do that.
/r/seduction03/07/19 01:22 PM
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I find it can sometimes be lovely when men come up and say they think I'm pretty. How often does this happen and what country
/r/seduction29/06/19 02:09 PM
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treating approach anxiety like it's a choice and then explaining the logical reasons why it's a bad choice. Is there any AA documentation out there that's NOT like this? Because it doesn't help. The information given is never news, either - "did you know talking to girls is actually possible/allowable/appreciated?" (Uh, yeah, why wouldn't it be), "did you know that if you get rejected there are still other girls?" (Who in the fuck needs to be told this? Actually, who has this "fear of rejection"…
/r/seduction29/06/19 01:49 PM
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Who's we? At least when there's rejection you get to get out of the conversation. Plus, I would feel weirder (and have as much difficulty coming up with what to say) talking to someone I'm not attracted to - there's not even a believable reason to be talking to them in that case. So how does your "fear of rejection" theory fit into that? Fear of rejection? You know you can just...like...try it with another person another time, right?
/r/seduction27/05/19 03:22 PM
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He didn't technically say anything about being "afraid of rejection". He said he doesn't know what to say. It would never occur to me to be "afraid of rejection" and I have the same problem as this guy. I just don't know what to say after hello.
/r/seduction27/05/19 11:53 AM
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He's right though.
/r/seduction27/05/19 09:18 AM
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Funny how you don't run out of things to say around your friends and family... But I do
/r/seduction27/05/19 08:39 AM
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I bet I could explain it if I knew what it was (OP is deleted).
/r/seduction27/05/19 08:38 AM
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Executive dysfunction is when your brain won't let you do the thing precisely because you're trying hard to do it. This stuff and more is as fixed as your intelligence. I'd give my right arm to be 100-IQ (or even less) and not have ADD.
/r/seduction27/05/19 08:08 AM
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