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Some animals were more equal than others
/r/MensRights28/04/22 01:39 PM
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Good to know they fixed it
/r/MensRights26/04/22 05:59 PM
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It's crazy how different forms of protest are treated differently. Women organise and get together, they get what they want. Men organise and get together, they get told they're selfish women haters.
/r/MensRights14/04/22 07:33 AM
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Funny thing about "Toxic masculinity", you try pushing back against the rhetoric of it all and try to get them to drill down to what they mean by "toxic masculinity", and eventually they play the "oh, but women do this too, so I don't understand what you're complaining about" card. Okay...so then why call it "toxic masculinity" if it's a neutral thing, not related to gender? Then you realise that people who are feminists don't really like advocating for men if it doesn't involve some male bashin…
/r/MensRights13/04/22 07:08 PM
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Lol crap feminist article
/r/MensRights12/04/22 05:46 PM
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The suggestion left in the negative polemical space is that we have no need to pool information, no need to relate or tell our stories to one another (part of the point of fiction) which is one degree removed from no need to congregate. Well said.
/r/MensRights02/04/22 05:19 PM
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Looks like another bait post. Fine, I'll bite. I only villainise the feminists that spread horseshit like "patriarchy" and "toxic masculinity" and other nonsense theories. If you claim to be a feminist but are willing to listen to men's problems without minimising or victim blaming them, then I don't care what you call yourself. If you feel offended by that, then maybe you should rethink your stance and wonder why you feel offended by the calling-out of misandrists. Isn't that how it works now? …
/r/MensRights10/03/22 07:53 PM
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Gynocentrism
/r/MensRights05/03/22 05:13 AM
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Yep. It's called the Apex fallacy. Just because people at the top are of a certain race/gender, the rest of that race/gender are all like that.
/r/MensRights04/03/22 06:54 PM
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I wish you all the best bro
/r/MensRights04/03/22 06:49 PM
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That's the contradiction that modern society needs to address. We can't have a "fuck tradition" mentality in peace time and a "that's how it's always been, deal with it" mentality in war time. I notice the same contradiction when it comes to dating and sex. It's always "fuck capitalism, fuck hierarchy, go progress" when it comes to politics, but "pull yourself up by the bootstraps, maybe...just maybe, it's a YOU problem" when it comes to dating. (For men, at least)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/02/22 01:22 PM
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I tell them it's not the "gotcha" they think it is, and then I ask why they want to bring up that point. Because clearly they are trying to poke at something, so I ask why they choose to use veiled tactics, and instead, they should just say what they really mean. And what they really mean is usually, "men bad".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/02/22 01:17 PM
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It's something I've noticed too. When something primarily affects women, we are told about it and we know that it's a phenomenon. There's names attached to it (femicide), there's analysis, etc. When something primarily affects men, it's whitewashed and turned into a gender-neutral thing (homelessness). It's really just a form of erasure for male victims. Media informs reality, and we wonder why the idea of men's rights is scorned. It never got the due attention and analysis, so people just think…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/02/22 01:14 PM
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Doesn't that sub have over a million subscribers now? It's hard to believe how a sub like that can even serve its purpose. Or did they rewrite history and change the purpose of the sub too?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/22 02:14 PM
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You might not be as bad as the MRAs, but you still have a bit too much of their perspective for me. So surely you can understand why some of us don't see Yang in as good a light as you do because, while he might not be as bad as the feminists, but he still has a bit too much of their ideology in him?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/22 01:50 PM
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"Well, s-she's controlled by the patriarchy!"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/22 11:52 AM
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That wasn't the only line. I just read the bill. It read likes some pissed off corporate figure wondering why his employees are not performing well, so he's launching an investigation to whip them all back into shape. It's exactly the phenomenon of "women and dogs are loved unconditionally, men are loved on the condition that they provide something"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/22 11:51 AM
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Always hit them with the "Even George Floyd?" argument.
/r/MensRights25/02/22 11:18 AM
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Bingo
/r/MensRights25/02/22 10:51 AM
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What I'm trying to say here is that the term toxic masculinity is not being used as it should be in society. One can almost say that it was an intentional effect
/r/MensRights25/02/22 10:48 AM
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Sad. I hope it isn't a repeat of the Afghanistan debacle where the fleeing men got globally shamed for actually caring about their lives. That was so depressing.
/r/MensRights20/02/22 07:25 PM
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If they legitimately think this stuff is profitable, how the hell have they run these companies so successfully before all this? They can't be that stupid, right? I guess social media gives an inaccurate pulse of the public consensus, and these corporate people end up assuming that's what everyone wants. And then you have Gillette, which lost money after the "toxic masculinity" ad, and they've only doubled down since. So what the hell is going on there?
/r/MensRights20/02/22 06:46 PM
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Who cares about “diversity”? All the big corporations do. That's the sad part. If they only cared about profits, it'd be one thing, but they're all acting against their own interest by trying to play social politics. I don't know why but it's happening.
/r/MensRights19/02/22 12:50 PM
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This is why so many people get fooled by the "niceness" of feminism on paper. Same with "diversity and inclusion". It's all a dogwhistle for anti-egalitarian policies. And I have the feeling that they already know this, they just don't want to come out and say it openly, because if you tell people that your intention is to increase the percentage of women in your company to more than 50 percent and keep it going higher, nobody would support it. If you sell your policy on the idea of "women's emp…
/r/MensRights19/02/22 12:46 PM
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They don't care though. I mean, did they learn anything from this? They're most likely going to go back to the diversity crap because muh equity.
/r/MensRights19/02/22 12:41 PM
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They love telling us how they're against the draft, but it stops there. Then they go on to bash "patriarchy" or some shit because they just can't ever admit that men have it bad too without blaming it on something "male-ish" in the process.
/r/MensRights19/02/22 12:37 PM
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I've had feminists tell me that women getting custody is sexist because it assumes they are the better caretaker. The man is the one who is suffering but they still want to make it about a woman's issue. Same with the draft, their go to argument is that women are not in the draft because it's assumed they can't fight. What the fuck? So even when you're not being subjected to an authoritarian policy, you still complain? I don't get these people man...
/r/MensRights19/02/22 12:33 PM
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You're missing the point. It's not about what you feel is right, your detractors will never give you the light of day no matter how nice you are.
/r/MensRights19/02/22 12:25 PM
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men's focused feminist subreddit. That's the issue. It's a feminist subreddit. It's not about men's rights. It's about how they can get men to be good dogs to feminism. Look at the user overlap of menslib and you'll notice that a lot of the users are also posting in predominantly pro-feminist, pro-social justice warrior type subreddits. What they perceive as the problem and what I perceive as the problem are very different things. Their proposed solutions and my proposed solutions are very diffe…
/r/MensRights18/02/22 07:11 PM
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Not just mras. A lot of "wrongthink" subreddits get the same treatment too. There's a reason why this subreddit exists, because the issues just aren't talked about anywhere else. And if they are talked about, it's always second fiddle to feminist issues, or redirected to how "we need to smash the patriarchy to help men" which I find to be such a disingenuous bullshit argument. The gender equivalent of trickle down economics which this website hates so much but finds it okay for this specific iss…
/r/MensRights18/02/22 06:34 PM
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This is trickle down economics bullshit but applied to gender. Sorry, not falling for it. You and I know that men only get lip service from feminist movements about their issues. You don't have to convince me that "This time, we really mean it!"
/r/MensRights18/02/22 06:28 PM
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If you're gonna support it, the least you could do is admit it. Stop trying to whitewash the act.
/r/MensRights18/02/22 05:51 PM
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The people who criticise this sub and men's advocacy in general are not going to change their minds just because of that rule.
/r/MensRights18/02/22 05:47 PM
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These are the same people telling you that "men's advocates want to turn everything into a competition!"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/22 02:09 PM
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Yeah that sub is pretty nuts
/r/MensRights11/02/22 02:06 PM
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aww
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/22 01:35 PM
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Menslib is babby's first "ok let me try to understand men" subreddit. And even then it does it poorly. I wouldn't call it a pro-male subreddit. It's very much a feminist perspective on male issues, hence the subreddit overlap with primarily women subs. The problem is that, "normies", for lack of a better word, keep getting told to go to that sub if they want to talk about men's issues, which is such a misleading way to lead someone into feminist ideology.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/22 08:12 PM
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wordswordswordsing I love this
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/22 08:06 PM
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60/40 women vs men = good Even 60/40 women to men ratio is considered bad now if it means that women can't find marriageable men because of it. 🤡
/r/MensRights10/02/22 06:47 PM
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1 post by this id every time
/r/MensRights09/02/22 03:55 PM
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Those comments were 4 years ago. The internet was a lot different back then. There was a lot of pushback against censorship and the CRT garbage. The culture today is different. A lot of people have been seduced by lies through repetition. The stuff that we all used to laugh at 4-5 years ago is mainstream politics now. If they made the same video today, I doubt the algorithm would allow those comments to the top.
/r/MensRights09/02/22 03:50 PM
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I doubt it's a charitable article. At best it will begrudgingly admit that men are facing problems but only after a disclaimer stating that men are still privileged in society or something. I don't know about you, but I really do not want the help of the same people who minimise my issues and mock my concerns. If they did not understand it before, they sure as well will not understand it now. I've already seen what their "help" looks like, and it's just condescending bullshit. I'd rather they be…
/r/MensRights09/02/22 03:46 PM
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Even if it's just about evening the playing field, you still have to use authoritarian powers to do it. If you're messing with the pieces on the board instead of letting the chips fall where they may, then you are using external stimuli to manipulate something to give you the results you want. The only way to do that is to BE authoritarian. They are not authoritarian by accident.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/22 03:00 PM
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Tradcons need men on the plantation. They openly say it. "We need men to do this, we need men to do that". Sorry, not going back.
/r/MensRights01/02/22 09:11 PM
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I think people also underestimate how much the hatred of transwomen is based on misandry rather than transphobia. The people who hate them see them as men more than anything else. I for one am glad that the section of feminism that is against transwomen is being shamed for their views.
/r/MensRights01/02/22 09:08 PM
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Ideologues have a very different definition of "equality"
/r/MensRights01/02/22 08:56 PM
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Even that is giving them too much leeway. I would just disagree with the idea of patriarchy in general.
/r/MensRights01/02/22 08:21 PM
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haha yeah a girlfriend huh...haha that would be pretty cool haha...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/22 07:49 PM
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I've seen what you "strong women" are and I'd rather not.
/r/MensRights30/01/22 11:32 PM
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Ugh...why are they still calling it "toxic masculinity"? Even "internalised misandry" would be a lot better. Can't they just...drop that divisive phrase?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/01/22 11:23 PM
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I can tell you why I hate the phrase "toxic masculinity". It's because of the wording. It's so antagonistic and passive aggressive. It's a failure in marketing.
/r/MensRights30/01/22 10:24 PM
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Your opponents are never going to stop calling you "right wing misogynists" no matter what you do. Look at the left wing male advocates subreddit. Inside that subreddit, it's apparent to the users that it's not a right wing subreddit, but the rest of reddit calls that a right wing subreddit because it's anti-feminist. A feminist version of a "left wing" pro-male subreddit is one which is pro-feminist, like menslib. That's what they want. They don't care if you are actually right wing or not, the…
/r/MensRights26/01/22 11:55 AM
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Replace "men" with "black people" and see what you sound like.
/r/MensRights26/01/22 11:34 AM
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The "cancel culture doesn't exist" people are just upset that things have not gone far enough yet. I shudder to think what society will be like if they were in control.
/r/MensRights26/01/22 11:30 AM
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Good point. It's also the same logic with abortion. If the mother aborts the baby because she's not ready for motherhood, that's her right, but if the father walks away because he's not ready for fatherhood, then he's the bad guy and should have "kept it in his pants". It's always the modern option for women and the traditional option for men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/22 11:19 AM
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I do agree that they're given the megaphones at a disproportionate rate compared to the rest of the populace and that frustrates the rest of us who has to keep hearing their nonsense, but I think you're taking away the agency of some of these people. You say the rich want men to vote for conservative parties to prevent leftist parties from gaining power, but the misandrists are part of the leftist parties too. If the leftist parties do gain power, they will still say the same misandrist things t…
/r/MensRights26/01/22 10:33 AM
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Things like calling male Afghan refugees cowards and some countries refusing them. Yeah that really pissed me off.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/22 10:14 AM
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Saying something over and over again doesn't make it true. Just because think tanks keep using the phrase 'toxic masculinity' doesn't mean I have to either. I reject the premise of this phrase entirely.
/r/MensRights26/01/22 10:04 AM
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Is it so hard to admit that bad leftists exist?
/r/MensRights25/01/22 07:18 PM
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Exactly, we live in a world were words can be removed or changed because it's offensive, but for some reason they aren't willing to accommodate men's feelings into that equation.
/r/MensRights25/01/22 07:16 PM
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It's not my fault that the promoters of the phrase "toxic masculinity" have such a terrible grasp on trying to reach out to the people they claim to support. Maybe they need to do better and actually listen to men.
/r/MensRights25/01/22 07:15 PM
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The people telling you that "men need to open up their feelings" don't actually care about men's feelings.
/r/MensRights25/01/22 07:13 PM
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oh reddit is so hateful towards women When people say that, they're just upset that certain segments of reddit aren't buying into feminist ideology. By and large, reddit is very pro-women to the point of being anti-male. This is all a ideological battle and part of a larger culture war, you cannot take these people's arguments in good faith.
/r/MensRights25/01/22 06:45 PM
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They all lean the same way politically too, they're always so woke and pro-mainstream it's unreal.
/r/MensRights25/01/22 06:43 PM
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Absolutely ridiculous
/r/MensRights25/01/22 06:39 PM
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True. They won the larger cultural battles, and their narratives have been stuck in people's minds. Sure doesn't help that a lot of mass media is openly feminist than openly pro-male. You have to do extra work to be a men's rights advocate than to be a feminist advocate because you are going against the grain.
/r/MensRights25/01/22 06:31 PM
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Also, if at all possible, try not to raise men's struggles in opposition to women's. Has there been good faith attempt by feminists to actually listen to men's issues even if it's raised outside of the context of women's issues? It's very disadvantageous to put yourself in a situation where you can only wait for your turn to speak up, but the other side can talk crap about you any time and they can get away with it. It's frustrating to watch that play out time and time again. Even in OP's scenar…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/22 06:21 PM
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Feminist ideology is no different from traditionalism at times. "Man up", do this or else..."Protect the women and children"
/r/MensRights25/01/22 06:10 PM
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Watch anime. There's a genre for everything. Sure, there's a lot of silly stuff but at least they are allowed to be entertaining and they respect the male desire instead of vilifying it.
/r/MensRights25/01/22 06:06 PM
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It's only universally immoral when it's taught in the context of the way that it has been taught to us. All the people who discriminated against others in history thought they were doing the right thing and had the justification for it. It's the same thing here. People find it hard to think for themselves and apply that logic into different areas. It's right when they do it, and wrong when it's done to them because "it's DifFeRenT!" That's what this world has become.
/r/MensRights25/01/22 05:57 PM
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I believe it is a good argument if elaborated properly. It IS a good argument even if it's not elaborated properly. It's not my fault that they've got it all wrong. Feminists have absolutely controlled the narrative on this issue and have made out the people defending men from unjust accusations to be the bad guys. Saying something over and over again doesn't make it true. And that's what has happened. Feminist narratives about men have simply been repeated ad nauseum in popular culture, and peo…
/r/MensRights25/01/22 05:50 PM
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Lmao
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/22 05:29 PM
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You're blaming men for their own problems by saying that they need to learn how to be happy. Yeah, because society has no part to play in this at all... It's hypocritical that when women are concerned, society is expected to change to suit women's issues, but when men are concerned, the expectation is on men to just "fix it yourself lol".
/r/MensRights20/01/22 04:48 PM
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Or as I like to call it, the female George Floyd case. A case that had nothing to do with gender, just like George Floyd's had nothing to do with race, but was made out to be about gender/race nonetheless. Turns out when you repeat something over and over again, people just believe it.
/r/MensRights20/01/22 04:34 PM
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The trend seems to be "let's push things even further from sanity and see if we can push it even further than that". I don't see it stopping any time soon, that's for sure.
/r/MensRights20/01/22 03:27 PM
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Feminism isn't a monolith The idea of feminism isn't, since anyone can claim a piece of that pie and define what it means to them. But the way it's implemented in policy is certainly a monolith and assumes many false assumptions about society in order to justify it's rhetoric and policies. I can accept when someone says that feminism to them is equality, but I can't accept it when that person insists that that is all it ever was and will be. That person also has to reciprocate and accept that fe…
/r/MensRights20/01/22 03:25 PM
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For what it's worth, I do take you for your word and believe you. You're going to have a hard time going after the feminists in power though. And those people will always trouble us. And they call themselves feminists, so I also take them for their word and believe them. And right now, their influence trumps yours. They also have the mass media at their disposal to create justification for their misandrist policies and rhetoric. It's going to take an "awakening" of sorts for people to reject the…
/r/MensRights20/01/22 03:19 PM
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Women are only 30 percent of the political landscape in America. And I am 0% of the political landscape. I am not in a position of power either. Why does their gender matter? Ideology always trumps gender.
/r/MensRights20/01/22 03:14 PM
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By telling them to not be feminists and voting in egalitarian minded alternatives instead? I don't get your point. Their ideology will always have more of an impact than their gender. Them being male isn't the issue. Their insistence of feminist falsehoods is.
/r/MensRights20/01/22 03:12 PM
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I'd go as far as to suggest that they're having their "mask-off" moment, and that they know what they are advocating for will not be immediately accepted by the public, hence the redefining of words.
/r/MensRights20/01/22 03:00 PM
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Yeah, that too. What's also worrisome is some men seem to be on board with it. I saw a tweet in the replies that said "I should not get priority because women are more in danger from being in the dark alone" or something along those lines. I don't know how to see it as anything other than societally inflicted self-hatred. When you get told something over and over again, you will think it's true. That's what's happening here even though men are more likely to be victims of violent crime.
/r/MensRights20/01/22 02:58 PM
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The replies in the tweet are pretty depressing. These people have rationalised equal opportunity policies to be "not equal enough". Unfortunately, they are going to be the policy makers of tomorrow, and the voters of tomorrow. So, it's going to be a dark future for equality.
/r/MensRights20/01/22 02:46 PM
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"Gender roles" is a somewhat abstract concept. Is there a metric to measure it with? At what point can you say that gender roles have been obliterated? I'm personally more worried in the practical applications of the law that affect men. That is the direct manner in which men who just want to be left alone, aren't left alone. Mandatory conscription for example. And I don't see feminism tackling these issues, even if it's "real" feminism or not. Instead, we are told by feminists that men should s…
/r/MensRights20/01/22 02:40 PM
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Toxic femininity is not used with the same level of fervour that its counterpart is being used for. The only time I even hear that phrase is when people insist that it is being used. I retain my right to be sceptical of the intentions of the academics, who are mostly one-sided in their view of gender issues and political issues at large. If not malice, then it's definitely bias. Either way, it's not a good look for them. I still insist on malice, though. These people are not stupid. They think t…
/r/MensRights20/01/22 02:13 PM
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When a man feels like he should not cry because it's unmanly or unattractive, that's internalised misandry. It's a better term than toxic masculinity, because it indicates that the person is suffering, while the former can be misinterpreted as the man being toxic. This should be the solution. But I would go further and insist that "toxic masculinity" is not just some innocent phrase that got misinterpreted. You can't tell me that a bunch of academics didn't know that the phrase was going to be d…
/r/MensRights20/01/22 01:49 PM
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The issue is not that the behaviour described as "toxic masculinity" doesn't exist. The issue is the wording. You would never call a self-hating Black person to have "toxic Blackness" anymore than you would call a self hating Jew to have "toxic Jewness" or whatever. Only for men, do people find it so hard to call misandry for what it is, misandry. I reject the premise of "toxic masculinity" entirely. People who claim to advocate for men should maybe listen to them instead.
/r/MensRights20/01/22 01:45 PM
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The one thing feminists and conservatives agree on is this. That if anyone should suffer at all, it should be the man.
/r/MensRights20/01/22 01:41 PM
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Had that exact conversation on this sub not too long ago. Progressive feminists don't really care for men, they just dislike conservatives. Their interest in men's rights (if at all) is only to "own the cons", hence their hatred of the phrase "man up", since it's usually something associated with a traditional mentality. But their advocacy ends there. They don't actually care about men. They just want to turn that man into a progressive feminist themselves and have them spout their talking point…
/r/MensRights20/01/22 01:39 PM
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People also usually recoil at the idea of demonising homosexuals for spreading aids, but they have no issues saying all sorts of horrible things to unvaccinated people. I feel like OP posted this in the wrong subreddit though, even though I agree with him. This case is more to do with the vaccine situation than gender I feel.
/r/MensRights15/01/22 03:11 PM
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That man has a right to deny the vaccine, but that doesn't mean he gets to put other people in risk. Otherwise these mask and vaccine mandates all over the world are also wrong. First of all, vaccine and mask mandates all over the world are wrong. There is zero justification for any of them. Second, what good is a right, if you can't live your live normally by choosing that path?
/r/MensRights15/01/22 03:10 PM
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I find that country subreddits are usually full of people that either hate said country, or promote establishment talking points above all else. Almost all the large subreddits do. Reddit is a very skewed perception of reality.
/r/MensRights15/01/22 03:07 PM
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The mods should make this a rule. Link an archive to articles that are anti-male than give them clicks through direct links.
/r/MensRights15/01/22 03:05 PM
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Also beware of the menslib style of advocacy. It isn't pro-male at all, and it's only interest in male issues is to indoctrinate men with feminist ideology and get them to admit to collective guilt.
/r/MensRights15/01/22 03:00 PM
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Every single thing he posts here is in defence of feminism, I swear it's a bot or something.
/r/MensRights15/01/22 02:54 PM
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If you advocate for social equality issues on behalf of women, its feminism. The manner of advocacy plays a part too. If you simply believe in egalitarianism, that doesn't make you a feminist, unless that's how you choose to identify your advocacy as. Feminism is a very specific ideology and like I said, it has a lot of baggage to it, like patriarchy theory, etc. I don't know why you find it so difficult to believe that people don't like to identify with that word. If you do, good for you. But I…
/r/MensRights13/01/22 07:48 PM
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I'm just saying that when chivalry is concerned, it's socially enforced through shaming tactics if you are not chivalrous.
/r/MensRights13/01/22 07:44 PM
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And? Feminism does not get to claim the entire pie as its own. You can be for equality without being a feminist. And will you answer my question here So what would you call someone who says they believe in gender equality but disagrees that we live in a "patriarchy" or disagrees with the idea of "toxic masculinity"?
/r/MensRights12/01/22 09:53 PM
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I don't know if it will ever happen though. Traditionalism and progressivism will unite to ensure that women as a class are always protected. There is more chance of a bachelor's tax being implemented openly, than women en masse working more than men.
/r/MensRights12/01/22 09:51 PM
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Oh you're one of those "there is no institutional misandry" people, huh?
/r/MensRights12/01/22 09:43 PM
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lmao
/r/MensRights12/01/22 09:42 PM
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No one forced the majority of men to be chivalrous They sure called them "losers" or "virgin" when they aren't though.
/r/MensRights12/01/22 09:09 PM
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If you ever advocated for equality in a situation where women was discriminated against, you are a feminist by this definition. And being kind makes you a Christian I guess. Feminism does not have a monopoly on the idea of equality. People can believe in equal rights without the ideology of feminism. And also, I think a decent portion of feminists themselves would actually say that "equality" alone does not make you a feminist. Feminism comes with a whole baggage of pre-suppositions about societ…
/r/MensRights12/01/22 08:44 PM
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I understand women want to rant about men, just like if men want to rant about women. But both parties need to recognise it as a rant and clarify it. A woman has a bad experience and snaps and makes some post calling out men or whatever, fine. People can rant. But if you still insist on that later on, then we get into shady territory. So how much social abuse am I expected to take if every woman doesn't see the end point of their rant and keeps going on? There has to be a limit to everything. Ye…
/r/MensRights03/01/22 03:03 PM
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I wonder how much of that is because of the way we've been socialised. Women are taught from young that "women" as a group is a special interest group and they deserve care for their issues on so on. Politicians run on women's issues, social media campaigns for women's issues, hollywood makes movies about women's issues, etc. But men don't grow up being taught that "men" are a special interest group. There is no such attention on that front. So when you grow up being fed a narrative of "ladies f…
/r/MensRights03/01/22 02:58 PM
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When you are used to privilege, equality feels like oppression. Isn't that what feminists say about men? Funny how they were the ones projecting all along. They are so used to government help and social help, that the idea of men getting a share of the pie is "scary" to them.
/r/MensRights03/01/22 02:43 PM
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Given that the rates of incarceration for men is way more disproportionate compared to women, vs the rates of incarceration for blacks compared to whites, I dare say BLM has no justification to exist at all if you were to use their own dumb logic of "which house is currently on fire". I say the Men's house needs the firefighter even more.
/r/MensRights03/01/22 02:41 PM
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Exactly. It's baffling to me that people use race and gender as indication of representation like as if that means anything. Wouldn't ideology, viewpoint, and policy matter more than representation? What's better? A cabinet of 100 men who support feminist rhetoric, or a cabinet of 100 women who support true egalitarianism and support for both men and women? I would definitely identify with the latter since they are more representative of my views than the former. How someone looks like should ha…
/r/MensRights03/01/22 02:32 PM
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You can't get behind why men are pissed that mainstream rhetoric only accounts for the needs of women and girls?
/r/MensRights03/01/22 02:28 PM
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This is why I laugh when people say we live in a patriarchy. The needs of women and children are supported by all political parties and mainstream rhetoric, but silence for men. I'll be awaiting the Pope's statement for helping men on International Men's Day...
/r/MensRights03/01/22 02:27 PM
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IMO, men's activism has been ruined with the piss poor takes on "toxic masculinity" and "patriarchy" entering the mainstream. People who used those phrases unironically were mocked for it years ago. Now, they are the default way in which the mainstream is inculcated into the idea of men's rights. It's shocking what a few years can do to a culture. People who are serious about men's rights, need to reject the false premises at play here. No, there is no patriarchy, and "toxic masculinity" isn't a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/01/22 07:06 PM
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We have been fooled into falling for a trap by feminists. It's clear that the feminists who demand others to ignore the bad feminists, have no intention to wrestle with the bad feminists. They just want to dump that burden on us to deal with. And there's also the factor of feminism being seen as the "default". How many ignorant statement have we seen celebrities say about how "feminism is equality, and if you believe in equality, you are by definition a feminist"? This kind of social engineering…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/01/22 07:00 PM
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I went into a reddit thread that was on the front page once, couldn't even remember what it was. It was a long time ago before I created my account, and someone was doing exactly what you described. They called it small dick energy or something and it just baffled me. Why would anyone say something like that? I remember it was one of the top few replies and it had a lot of upvotes. Some poor guy was questioning that line of thinking in the comments and that dude got downvoted and trashed on. It'…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/12/21 03:22 PM
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Exactly. They have all sorts of psychobabble word salad used to deconstruct other group's suffering and place in society, but when it comes to men or the incel issue, then suddenly it's all "it's not my responsibility to solve their problems". They can see the nuance when it comes to Islamic terrorists or low income people resorting to crime, but watch them go full conservative mode when it comes to men's issues. "It's men doing it to other men" is the same as "it's blacks killing other blacks".…
/r/MensRights13/12/21 03:05 PM
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Yeah, I like to know my enemy.
/r/MensRights13/12/21 02:50 PM
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Why should talking to a professional be the only way? Again, with the incel accusations. This just reeks of victim blaming. When women complain about their problems, I doubt you will tell them that it's their own fault. Who are you to decide whether OP's issue is valid or not?
/r/MensRights13/12/21 02:47 PM
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They don't want you to talk about your problems, that's the thing. They just want you to shut up and not complain because otherwise you'd be an "incel".
/r/MensRights29/11/21 07:18 PM
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how effectively propaganda can shape the thinking of large populations That's exactly what it is. It is propaganda. You don't need the majority of the population to believe something, you just need everyone to believe that the majority believes it, in order to move on to the next step of what you want to achieve with the propaganda. So at first in reality, maybe only a few people believe it, but because the message has such great reach and has the facade of the support of a online majority, it c…
/r/MensRights29/11/21 06:36 PM
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I feel like that sidebar is meant to create a false consensus. If you see stuff trending in there, you think that's what majority of people think but you really have no way of vetting every account that trends it. I fear the day that sidebar is used as justification to create policies based on what people THINK the majority thinks.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/11/21 06:18 PM
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I think the pumped up numbers are partly due to them being a default sub. And also partly due to them towing the narrative. Tinfoil hat time. My personal conspiracy theory on subs like that is, they attract attention from nefarious actors to divide people, so they send in their shills and bots to say outrageous things and outvote the moderates who say "wait a minute, this is bigoted hateful stuff". That's how you end up with an entire subreddit of people who thinks "not all men" is not a valid a…
/r/MensRights29/11/21 06:10 PM
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Yes they don't get punished enough for it. What "punishment" they get is basically just a bunch of people online saying "Oh my God, they did what?" and getting mad. I don't think any limits on what they can and can't have should be put in place, simply that the companies are forced to put front and center what their content policy is and what actions will get you de-platformed as well as they should be forced to provide some sort of appeals system that is also open and viewable. The problem is, …
/r/MensRights29/11/21 06:01 PM
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This shows there is competition in the market. But there isn't because larger corporations do engage in sabotage of competitors. You only need to look at the removal of Gab, etc from the play store. The "competition" you see is basically Big Corp A vs Big Corp B. And for the most part, Corp A and B believe in the same values. How big does a website need to get before you arbitrarily decide they are no longer allowed to make their own decisions about its content? Let's not pretend that you're goi…
/r/MensRights29/11/21 05:41 PM
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I only said a website isn't the same thing as your front lawn. What you're saying is even more misinterpretation of my original comment. It's your website, you can do what you want within reason provided it's not a criminal act, like posting child porn etc. However, social media sites isn't "just a website", it's a very popular website. It's disingenuous to pretend that it is run by some innocent guy, like in your example. Hence, they are not the same thing as your front lawn.
/r/MensRights29/11/21 05:31 PM
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You know the same people that expect you to do your homework on feminism before you can criticise it, will not do any homework on men's rights and just write of MRAs entirely because of one comment that barely got any upvotes. Funny isn't it? I think it's time we stopped pretending that the people who want us to shut up are arguing in good faith.
/r/MensRights29/11/21 05:28 PM
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No I didn't agree with you. You make the misunderstanding of thinking that a website is equivalent to someone's front lawn.
/r/MensRights29/11/21 05:25 PM
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Letting Nazis fly swastikas on your front lawn is a different issue entirely. That's a strawman. If it's your front lawn, that's trespassing. If it's their property, then who cares.
/r/MensRights29/11/21 05:22 PM
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I think the problem with the free speech debate is that people tend to limit themselves to the 1st Amendment. Some countries don't even have a first amendment, so does it make it right to censor speech there? Ultimately it comes down to whether you value free speech or not. That is something that goes beyond a law or a piece of paper. If you believe it's a natural right, then you know there is something wrong in the world today concerning this issue. If you only limit yourself to the way it is w…
/r/MensRights29/11/21 05:20 PM
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What difference does it make, when at the end, you say something and it never reaches the ear of anyone? Don't you realise you are effectively allowing governments to censor people by holding hands with corporations to do their bidding?
/r/MensRights29/11/21 05:17 PM
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The right to censor isn't really a right though. It's more of an anti-right. It's like saying a law that bans people from banning things is against rights. No it isn't. It's enforcing rights.
/r/MensRights29/11/21 05:14 PM
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This one https://zenodo.org/record/3871217
/r/MensRights29/11/21 05:08 PM
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You know that the idea of a patriarchy exists outside the scope of feminism right? Yeah, Marxists use that term. Even more reason why I am not fond of it.
/r/MensRights29/11/21 05:06 PM
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And all of that means nothing to the average man. So if feminists would stop looking at the top of the pyramid and equating that with the bottom 90% of men, that'd be great.
/r/MensRights29/11/21 05:05 PM
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They only bring up the "worseness" factor when it's something that puts women's issues in an even more urgent light. When you bring up something that disproportionally affect men, then it's suddenly all about "but it's men who are doing it to other men!"
/r/MensRights29/11/21 05:00 PM
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Somebody bring out the Karen Straughan copypasta.
/r/MensRights29/11/21 04:56 PM
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So is it so hard to then stop using a divisive word like that if it's interfering in your activism? There was a study that said most men don't take too fondly to that word. If you're gonna advocate for men, wouldn't you want to at least listen to them? You're just blaming the victim here, by saying that "oh, you're the one who doesn't understand, now let me explain to you why this harmful phrase is in your interest"
/r/MensRights29/11/21 04:50 PM
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Yeah, we can't ignore the biased and hateful narratives being spun by mass media about men. It's affecting a lot of men mentally as it is right now, and for some even physically too, I bet. Ignoring it won't make the problem go away.
/r/MensRights26/11/21 10:04 PM
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Why do you think that they are doing it because they think it's manly? Are you sure you're not putting words in their mouth?
/r/MensRights26/11/21 10:01 PM
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Yes, you're missing something. This is not a "both sides are just as bad" scenario. Not even close.
/r/MensRights26/11/21 09:07 PM
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Wow, that second image sure is something. reddit hasn't done this, men as a social class have. Statistics are statistics, and unfortunately they're as a social group collectively trash to everyone. Reddit just makes it visible. Boy, imagine saying this about any other group. What a hateful bigot. And the best part is right here. Find positive male role models This is directly after she trashed the male gender for being "collectively trash to everyone".
/r/MensRights26/11/21 09:06 PM
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What would it look like if you opened a trashy article like this and found people in the comment section roasting the author? All of a sudden, you wouldn't feel alone. You would feel glad that there's other people out there agreeing with you too, and that you don't have to go to a specific corner of the internet to find like-minded opinions. That's extremely moralising and empowering. Now that the comment sections got removed, what do you get? Some establishment hack spouting off the same bullsh…
/r/MensRights26/11/21 08:43 PM
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Because the whole thing is a front to get men to stop being anti-feminists and be feminist cheerleaders instead. They've successfully hijacked male issues with the "toxic masculinity" crap, and through brute force of repetition, they have convinced the world that it is a legitimate talking point when it's not.
/r/MensRights26/11/21 08:16 PM
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Front page is curated to prevent wrongthink. The only time something that goes against the grain reaches the front page, it gets brigaded hard.
/r/MensRights26/11/21 08:08 PM
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It's a cult. I don't know how people can't see it. They're strapping baby boys down and forcibly cutting off a part of the penis. It's mutilation. They wouldn't dare think about mutilating female genitals, but for some reason the empathy stops there and isn't extended to the boys.
/r/MensRights26/11/21 08:07 PM
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Never heard of this show. I personally stopped watching hollywood trash and netflix garbage. There's nothing out there for me tbh.
/r/MensRights26/11/21 08:03 PM
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Why would it be pro-male? What do those people have in common with me? I doubt they share my interests or advocate for the things I want. I don't know them and they don't know me.
/r/MensRights26/11/21 07:51 PM
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I agree, but when every company does this, the logical conclusion is a breakaway society. Can we even do that? And if we do, how will we be sure we'll be left alone? We are dealing with sociopaths who not only want to spread their beliefs, but they want you to believe their beliefs too. It's not enough for them that they dominate the narrative, they want to go after the dissidents as well. I really wonder what the next few decades are going to be like.
/r/MensRights26/11/21 04:22 PM
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I think we're way past the point of protesting. Protests only work if it's for the narrative they want. Men marching in the streets for their rights will not be reported on or treated in the same way as women marching for their rights. The mass media frames everything the way they want it to, and what they say goes.
/r/MensRights26/11/21 04:19 PM
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Who was the feminist that ran that DV shelter? I'll gladly start criticizing that feminist. But you won't. And if you do, your criticism would amount to nothing more than how we shouldn't talk about her at all because she's not a "real feminist".
/r/MensRights26/11/21 04:15 PM
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Why does the gender of the people in power matter? Their ideology is more important, and as of right now it's definitely not pro-male.
/r/MensRights26/11/21 04:14 PM
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That type of stuff wasn't a norm before. It's insane how they've brute forced a false narrative globally. How in the world are we supposed to fight against that?
/r/MensRights26/11/21 04:12 PM
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It's infuriating to talk about this too, because the proponents of these changes insist that you shouldn't care about it and that it means nothing. But if that is the case, why change it in the first place? They clearly cared enough to change the gender or the race, so why are they allowed to play politics, but I can't react to it?
/r/MensRights26/11/21 04:01 PM
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The same people who tell us representation matters want us to suddenly believe that negative stereotyping of men will have no effect whatsoever on society in the long run.
/r/MensRights26/11/21 04:00 PM
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If it meant nothing, why did they change the gender in the first place? It's funny to be told that I'm "overreacting" to something by people who insist that the change is necessary. So which is it?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/11/21 03:51 PM
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The phrase "toxic masculinity" is motte and bailey. Feminists can talk about male issues all they want, but how they talk about it is just as important. If their interest in male issues only goes as far as "I want men to cry more" then I'd rather they openly be hostile to male issues because it would be more honest on their part. It's much better than this subversive crap. The menslib style of activism has ruined the discourse and diluted the issues.
/r/MensRights26/11/21 03:22 PM
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You'd still be wrong, but I think this conversation is going nowhere. I wish Trump was as badass as you people make him out to be. Edit: Cope and Sneed
/r/MensRights26/11/21 03:01 PM
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What part of that implies non-consent?
/r/MensRights26/11/21 02:31 PM
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So it's all speculation then? Okay.
/r/MensRights26/11/21 02:25 PM
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I reject the premise of the phrase 'toxic masculinity". It's divisive by its nature. There are way healthier ways to talk about what you want to talk about than to use that word. The insistence on the usage of that phrase is mind boggling to me.
/r/MensRights26/11/21 02:25 PM
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This. Why is it so hard for these people to understand?
/r/MensRights20/11/21 05:30 PM
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It's divisive and a classic example of the motte and bailey tactic. The people who use that word know full well that it incites a reaction, so they use it in the most divisive and toxic way they can, calling everything under the sun "toxic masculinity" and when they get called out for it, they retreat into a non confrontational position and assert that "Oh, that's not what toxic masculinity means" and hide their true intention. It's a anti-male dogwhistling term, that's all it is. There are heal…
/r/MensRights20/11/21 05:29 PM
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So the only evidence for it being sexual assault is your own imagination? No such thing even happened in the scenario you are imagining. All that happened was Trump saying "they let you do it". Nothing sexually abusive here.
/r/MensRights20/11/21 05:27 PM
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It's because they can't ignore it. What society tells people about gender is different from what they can see with their own eyes. And if this disconnect continues, then people will distrust the media even more than they do now, so they do some damage control by giving lip-service to men's issues. Pay attention to their "solutions". They want men to either be simps for women or suffer on behalf of women. The solutions that are offered are twofold: You either adopt feminist ideology and sit back …
/r/MensRights16/11/21 03:29 PM
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Yep, they always project. They pretend like they have no power when mainstream politicians and media outlets and celebrities promote their ideas, but the average man is somehow in power because he's a man. It's ridiculous.
/r/MensRights16/11/21 03:21 PM
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Reddit is a propaganda site. I'm convinced it's meant to create the false consensus to convince the kind of people that upvote the content on the front page of reddit that they are the popular view. You should consider this website and its admins hostile if you go against those views. Men's right's activism goes against feminist narrative and they can't have that.
/r/MensRights16/11/21 03:19 PM
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That's not my point. Why are they defaming MRA groups and promoting that feminist narrative of "but women have it harder"?
/r/MensRights16/11/21 03:16 PM
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And yet why do I have the feeling that you won't bother when someone generalises white people.
/r/MensRights16/11/21 03:15 PM
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Then feminists shouldn't be offended when people have a negative view of their movement.
/r/MensRights16/11/21 03:13 PM
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There are only two sexes. It's not my fault that mainstream culture has branded common sense as some sort of "phobia". Where is the sexism in that comment? And as for the comment about women assaulting people weaker than them, how is he wrong? When it comes to child abuse, women are most of the perpetrators. He didn't mention all women because the conversation which you brought up was gendered to begin with and was focused on violent behaviour. The irony is that this was your original comment: M…
/r/MensRights16/11/21 03:11 PM
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That Trump was president of the US would grab a woman without consent by the pussy? What part of "they let you do it" implies no consent?
/r/MensRights16/11/21 03:09 PM
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Is really is that hard to drop that word, huh?
/r/MensRights16/11/21 03:07 PM
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But the words do matter. Hell, isn't that what the world has come to now? So how can you even talk about helping men and getting them to express their emotions when they openly tell you they have a problem with a divisive word like "toxic masculinity" and yet you insist on using it? Why do you have a hard time divorcing the concept of what you are trying to say from that failed phrase?
/r/MensRights15/11/21 07:04 PM
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Insincere support is not good. Luring men in by saying it's a place for men's issues only to then flip the script and demand those men to adopt feminist viewpoints isn't "support". Lil bit less of the misogyny would be useful though Be specific about this. What misogyny do you see here? I'll call it out, but people who say this never seem to point it out, but just keep repeating narrative of what other people say about this place.
/r/MensRights15/11/21 06:57 PM
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What the fuck. That's such a sexist take on history. It's asinine to suggest that men WANTED to oppress women and that's somehow the entirety of history. Christ...if this is how you're going to teach the younger generation, we are fucked.
/r/MensRights15/11/21 06:52 PM
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Aha. So you admit it's "just words". How hard is it for you to just drop it? If you really cared about men, wouldn't you listen to the men that you claim you want to help?
/r/MensRights15/11/21 06:49 PM
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It's not my fault that your "good feminists" never bother to denounce the radicals. It's not my responsibility to look for the good ones when the movement itself is represented by the bad ones.
/r/MensRights15/11/21 06:28 PM
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Why are they not considered feminists? Who are you to decide for them? Will you never admit that the movement has radicals in it?
/r/MensRights15/11/21 06:26 PM
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It's sad that it has come to this. It's sad that the statement "Kill all men" isn't somehow reprehensible by itself, but it has to include references to "men of X group" to make people think why it is bad. That's insane.
/r/MensRights15/11/21 06:14 PM
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edit: she clarified that the statement wasn't used as a joke, but to empower women Uh...that's even worse.
/r/MensRights15/11/21 06:10 PM
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The chronological order is: Men did it first. Thats the trigger. Did what first? Abuse? It has always been a non-gendered crime. No gender did that first. Let me remind you that I'm talking about chronological order of mainstream reporting, not human behaviour. Women have had their advocacy groups treated as undebatable services for a while now. That's the chronological order. Now that men's issues are being brought into the mainstream (begrudgingly), some people just can't avoid turning it into…
/r/MensRights15/11/21 06:02 PM
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I say 5
/r/MensRights15/11/21 05:35 PM
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Exactly. These articles are just glimpses of how little they care for men. They can't bear the idea of criticising feminism. When it comes to men's wellbeing vs feminist ideology, feminist ideology takes priority always.
/r/MensRights15/11/21 05:34 PM
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Wait until you find out neither BLM nor feminism care about "police brutality" or "gender equality". It's all a farce.
/r/MensRights15/11/21 05:30 PM
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I agree that they don't care. Feminists would rather pretend that incidents like this are not happening because the idea of giving men a "win" is unthinkable for them.
/r/MensRights15/11/21 05:27 PM
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I just clicked on the link in the website to the safe resource dot org link for male victims and I saw this bullshit The issue of domestic violence against men can be a thorny one. Men's rights groups have used it to derail much-needed advocacy and create confusion around the prevalence and severity of partner violence, while male victims complain that their experience isn't taken seriously enough. At a population level, it is clear that the overwhelming majority of acts of domestic violence and…
/r/MensRights15/11/21 05:15 PM
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People need to familiarise themselves with the motte and bailey tactics that are in play here. They make an outrageous claim, you call them out for it, and they play dumb and pretend that it never happened. And if it did, they say you misinterpreted it. And if you didn't misinterpret it, they say that doesn't represent feminism. And if it did, they say it was probably for a righteous cause anyway. The end result is always this: They will never hold their radicals accountable, and they will never…
/r/MensRights15/11/21 05:07 PM
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Oh fuck off. Edit: Lol, this guy still thinks mainstream media is his friend. Jesus, that Trump guy really broke you that bad, huh?
/r/MensRights15/11/21 05:00 PM
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You should appreciate the fact that this post isn't downvoted in here. Try saying the opposite in a feminist thread or in a front page reddit post when someone complains about men. Tell them it's not fair to generalise all men like that. See what happens. Your post would be in the negatives. Just the way the two environments behave differently debunks the whole "both sides are just the same" argument.
/r/MensRights15/11/21 04:57 PM
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My own experiences. The mainstream narrative. The focus on women's issues in general. What do you want? A scientist with a lab coat to conduct a study before I can have opinions developed from my own experiences?
/r/MensRights15/11/21 04:53 PM
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Like I said, some people don't realise that progressives use fancy words to hide their true agenda. They don't care about you bro.
/r/MensRights15/11/21 04:46 PM
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We're not journalists. We only do that because the trend has been people invoking women's issues when men talk about theirs. You're the one who missed the chronological order of events and think that us complaining about that is hypocritical.
/r/MensRights15/11/21 04:42 PM
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Conservative politicians are trash yes, but progressives are not going to help you in that regard either, sorry. Maybe you need to go through an entire cycle of progressive policies until you realise they are in it for power as well, and they don't mean what they say.
/r/MensRights15/11/21 04:40 PM
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I swear they all have the same political leaning too. Where do they get these talking points from? Do they really think that men should have no reason to be concerned about feminism? What kind of bubble do they live in where they never hear criticism of their side? That's insane to me. I never experience a day where I don't hear the arguments of people on the other side. I already know what they think and no, it isn't "right wing propaganda", it's from their own mouths. Yet, these people who hav…
/r/MensRights15/11/21 04:34 PM
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Men need to know that simping for "male liberation-esque feminism" isn't going to solve their problems. Every time you ignore the feminists radicals, you give them the permission to infiltrate. And then you end up with people getting shocked that feminists in power say hateful things about men. Well, no shit. You just didn't listen because you allowed the cultural rot to fester just because you don't want the men to have a "win" by conceding that feminism is a controversial movement.
/r/MensRights15/11/21 04:30 PM
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Now its about men being hurt again. And there it is. Isn't the point of the menslib brand of feminism is to get men to express their feelings? So when men express their feelings, you deny them by saying this bullshit?
/r/MensRights15/11/21 04:27 PM
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Lol fuck off with the menslib bullshit
/r/MensRights15/11/21 04:26 PM
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You're basically asking the Catholic church to silence the members of every Protestant "god hates fags" cult. Wait...are we seriously pretending that the Caholic church isn't asked to uphold that standard today? So why are we giving feminists a pass for their radicals?
/r/MensRights15/11/21 04:25 PM
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b-but paTrIarChY!
/r/MensRights15/11/21 04:20 PM
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Oh please. You can never convince me on the utility of a hateful phrase such as "toxic masculinity". Just use the word "misandry", is that so hard?
/r/MensRights15/11/21 04:17 PM
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I find it funny how these people seem to be living under a rock. Don't they know that after a certain point, you don't get to use the "b-but nobody's actually doing that!" excuse anymore?
/r/MensRights15/11/21 04:15 PM
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Which is what? Let me guess, patriarchy?
/r/MensRights15/11/21 04:11 PM
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Where are feminists talking about it? And if they do talk about it, are they talking about it sincerely or are they only talking about it to promote patriarchy theory and menslib talking points?
/r/MensRights11/11/21 02:23 PM
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You know you don't have to redirect a blatant violation of a man as a "ackually this is a woman's problem" right? Why can't you just call out misandry for what it is? Why do you always have to tie it back to women's issues?
/r/MensRights11/11/21 02:21 PM
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It's the video itself. It's typical menslib bullshit. They identity the problem, yes, but they blame the wrong things and provide the wrong solutions. Ultimately, they just want you to become feminists.
/r/MensRights11/11/21 02:17 PM
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I doubt it's much different for MRAs. That's my point. It's not that different. And feminists have been using that tactic to avoid talking about the uncomfortable members, and they are still held in high regard as a movement in general. They set the standard, so it should follow that MRAs take some notes there and not fall for the trap of calling out the misogynists.
/r/MensRights11/11/21 01:58 PM
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I'm not saying don't call out people that you think are doing a disservice to the movement, or don't distance yourself from people that don't share your views on the matter. What I'm saying is that it will not win you any favours. There are enough people calling misogynists out. Think about it, mainstream media is involved, reddit is involved, feminists are involved, and now the MRAs want to take on that job too? If feminists are insistent that the "calling out" has to come from the MRAs, then f…
/r/MensRights11/11/21 01:55 PM
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What? I'm not a conservative. But that doesn't mean I support the economic policies that were the point of this discussion.
/r/MensRights10/11/21 03:51 PM
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And don't forget, anything to do with dating or lack of sex. It's like an ingrained response to just throw accusations of "entitled" or "incel". Because only good people have sex, apparently.
/r/MensRights10/11/21 03:26 PM
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That's cool and is a perfect example of how to win. 1) Get the people who dismissed you, to concede to the idea that men have problems 2) Use their own ideological gobbledegook to create space to discuss men's issues 3) You are now an accepted movement I like it. You need to be subversive to win.
/r/MensRights10/11/21 03:22 PM
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People have been saying that about the SJWs back in 2015. Remember all those anti-SJW youtube videos that were really popular? The common sentiment in the comment sections of those videos were that those people would not survive in the real world. Look at the world now. It has only adopted to their never ending one-sided demands. Ignoring them will not make the problem disappear. Things have only gotten worse since then.
/r/MensRights10/11/21 03:12 PM
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I'm sorry but that's revisionist history. Even in the "good old days", people have been saying MGTOW was a "lol woman bad" subreddit. The subreddit didn't change, reddit did. They had a problem with the existence of that sub, and decided to ban it, nothing more, nothing less. Conceding to your political enemies narratives will not help you.
/r/MensRights10/11/21 03:09 PM
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It's a losing battle. When you talk about the misogynists, you will give feminists the ammunition to say "I told you so" and that will be the only thing they will focus on as far as the general idea of men's rights is concerned. Who are you trying to convince here? The feminists? Why would they suddenly give up the idea of patriarchy theory now, just because you want to do something about the misogynists? People have already taken sides. You need to understand that this movement does not exist i…
/r/MensRights10/11/21 02:55 PM
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Don't people on this website understand analogies? Christ...it's like redditors are allergic to it.
/r/MensRights10/11/21 02:44 PM
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Just google it lmao Sorry, I don't believe in the conspiracy theory of patriarchy. You're free to scapegoat men all you want, but you won't fool me.
/r/MensRights10/11/21 02:42 PM
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Ah, the old "you're voting against your own interests" argument. It's a really tired take at this point. Try harder.
/r/MensRights10/11/21 02:41 PM
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And you're free to do that. You're also free to keep wondering why we keep losing every significant ideological battle. Edit: Legislature can be overturned just as easily as it was implemented. The battlefield is in the hearts and minds of the next generation, who will ideally carry your values to the future, not in the courts held by the older generation of today. The internet is a major arena in where this ideological battle is fought. Ignoring it is cultural suicide.
/r/MensRights09/11/21 08:28 PM
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People can hold anti-government viewpoints without doing it for the intent of being seen as "cool". I'd rather not have my own opinions explained to me as if I did not hold them sincerely. And you have not addressed the issue of infinite money printing.
/r/MensRights09/11/21 08:25 PM
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And this is why MRAs will lose. What is "in real life" anyway? Is the internet not "real life"? Where do you think people get their opinions from? A physical textbook? I'm sorry but the battle for free speech is lost. People who are able to subvert that idea and have no good faith attempt to uphold the value of free speech are in power. They set the rules now. It's a losing battle to defend your political opponents right to spread hatred towards you while they shut down any dissent as "hatred to…
/r/MensRights09/11/21 08:23 PM
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Because it is a feel good solution. Same with minimum wage and climate taxes and whatever bullshit they're coming up with. Who would the billionaires be giving their money to? It's not you or me, it's the government. How do I benefit because some rich dude paid half their salary to the tax collector? The banks can print all the money in the world. You think getting the government involved is going to make your financial life better? The same government that you no doubt call racist and white sup…
/r/MensRights09/11/21 08:12 PM
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None of your solutions include limiting the power of central banks as usual. They are feel good solutions like "tax the rich". Like I said, all rhetoric, no economics. What good is giving people money when the government can print more of it?
/r/MensRights09/11/21 07:51 PM
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And there we have it. Exhibit number #5271 of conservatives being hostile to men's rights.
/r/MensRights09/11/21 07:49 PM
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I don't watch Fox News, nice try. So what is your solution? Edit: And seeing as how central banks collude with governments to print money, how are you going to tackle inflation without addressing that? That's the one thing that I see people ignore when this topic is concerned. If you're saying to remove the ability of banks to do that, then you have my attention, but if your rhetoric only goes up to "rich = bad" and to expand the powers of the entity that is the government, that allows the banks…
/r/MensRights09/11/21 07:30 PM
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It's not just the old people. The young people hold contradictory views too. Nobody really likes the idea of freedom here and they just generally want to be the boot instead of being kicked by it. I've never seen a country that worships its own authoritarianism more than Singapore.
/r/MensRights09/11/21 04:03 PM
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One time, I saw an ad on CNA for a documentary about "patriarchy" in Japan. If they want to talk about women's issues sure, but it's so insulting living in an environment that openly and only talks about women's issues and ignores the elephant in the room, which is NS.
/r/MensRights09/11/21 04:02 PM
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I think what he is trying is say is that the anti-draft sentiment was not borne out of gender concerns, it was as you say, anti-draft in general. The political left has no problem denouncing the draft, but let's not pretend that they did it for their concern of men. The whole situation just screams of male-erasure to me.
/r/MensRights09/11/21 03:55 PM
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When you search politically incorrect ideas on google, you get a litany of results that basically say "Nuh-uh! Your concerns aren't real". I've come to avoid taking it as any sort of organic end-result. No way that shit isn't manipulated to gaslight you.
/r/MensRights09/11/21 03:42 PM
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I'm sorry but ignoring it means it will never going go away. If you don't hold their feet to the fire, this kind of rhetoric is only going to fester. It has already festered, why let it spread even more? The people in charge of our societies now demand that we behave courteously, self-censor and not be hateful. If this is going to be the new normal, then fine, let's play this game equally. Let's apply the standards fairly and show no tolerance for any misandry just as people don't show tolerance…
/r/MensRights09/11/21 03:32 PM
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It's amazing how you're able to turn this into a "don't believe your lying eyes" moment. Nice gaslighting.
/r/MensRights09/11/21 03:22 PM
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Thanks, that is cool and what we need.
/r/MensRights09/11/21 03:19 PM
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Personally, people can call themselves feminists all they like. Ultimately, it's just a name. If they really do preach and practice gender equality, then go for it. But the problem arises when those same people, then chastise those who are anti-feminists because they see the injustice that feminist indoctrination caused to men's lives. It becomes a problem because now the person who has suffered the injustice is forced to listen the person who didn't do their homework on why the movement isn't t…
/r/MensRights09/11/21 03:18 PM
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I don't know if you intended it in your post, but the idea that FGM is seen as worse it's because it's done TO women and girls. That invokes a visceral reaction in any sane individual to rebuke that practice. That same level of empathy unfortunately, is not awarded to male victims of genital mutilation, or other issues.
/r/MensRights09/11/21 03:07 PM
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They can think that all they want. They don't make the laws. People here have all the justification they need to think of feminism as an anti-male movement because that it how it has manifested itself in cultural reality.
/r/MensRights09/11/21 03:03 PM
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so any decent woman would consider their partner's feelings on something as huge as this before committing to it But your argument hinges on women exercising that capability. That is not a freedom enshrined in law. The final arbiter is still the woman. That alone is not enough. We need a clear cut law that allows men the same freedom as women in this regard. At any time a man should be able to remove himself from fatherhood without adverse consequences, such as the state looking to siphon resour…
/r/MensRights09/11/21 02:59 PM
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That still doesn't explain why such an individual would identify as a feminist instead of any neutral sounding term. What economic system is suddenly going to remove individual ability to discriminate and be hateful to people?
/r/MensRights09/11/21 02:55 PM
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What is "income inequality" anyway? Why does it matter if some guy has more money than you? What should be more important is to have the financial freedom to live life the way you see fit. You think the world won't have problems if there are no billionaires?
/r/MensRights09/11/21 02:53 PM
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The thing is, I wouldn't even mind it as much if the "real feminists" whoever they are, came out and denounced people like that openly and publicly. I mean, aren't they the same people who claim that online harassment is harmful? But instead, what do they do? They claim those people either "do not exist", are just "random twitter people that you've never met" that have no way of affecting the culture at large, or women who are "venting their frustrations against their oppressors". They come up w…
/r/MensRights09/11/21 02:46 PM
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The issue it not whether it hurts men or not, the issue is that it is brought up to derail the discussion of male issues. How would you feel if every female issue you cared about was dismissed with "but that's because misandry hurts women too" and that you were told you had to support pro-male movements that would "trickle down" gender equality to women after the males had their problems solved? How would you feel if your gender was scapegoated to make you feel like it's women's fault that women…
/r/MensRights09/11/21 02:40 PM
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The whole "it's a YOU problem" argument doesn't really work here considering feminism has had the luxury of being marketed as the official gender equality movement. What the radicals in the movement say and do, absolutely matters. And it seems like people like you who take issue with OPs claims only ever come out to defend the name of feminism, than do any introspection on whether OP is right. When you have people telling you that they don't feel your movement represents them, maybe not gaslight…
/r/MensRights09/11/21 02:14 PM
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How hard is to say misandry It is hard, though. They just can't use that word. It's always framed as some male thing that backfired on men, it's never framed as an anti-male thing. But when it comes to feminism however, then they use the direct terms like misogyny. They just can't admit that society has the capability to be hateful towards men, so they have to come up with jargon to avoid using the most accurate word to describe a direct effect.
/r/MensRights09/11/21 02:10 PM
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