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| 3 | Dan Bilzerian Sleeps With Bodybuilding.Com Founder Ryan DeLuca’s Wife...and posts it on instagramWhy is this being helped up as some sort of example? Think about what sort of drive leads a man to act like this. He's either a) doing it for attention (on Instagram of all places) or b) doing it to get a petty one-over on another man. Either way he's a fucking twat. | /r/TheRedPill | 10/11/15 12:14 PM |
| 1 | The Average Woman Can Not Exist Outside Without Their Cell PhoneIf most people have a bad trait, but place A has a slightly lesser incidence of that trait than place B, you don't think that knowledge would be of potential value to someone? And of course they aren't all like that. We are humans not ants. Our capacity to be different from one another is pretty massive. Most of us are 5'8 but some of us are born with dwarfism. With cultural or semi-cultural traits it's even more variable: most of us are straight but some of us channel sexual desire through pedo… | /r/TheRedPill | 31/10/15 05:50 PM |
| 1 | The Average Woman Can Not Exist Outside Without Their Cell PhoneYou're missing the point. If independent variable X causes a significant difference in independent variable Y then it is worth noting. Obviously one anecdote isn't enough to draw valid conclusions from but combined with others it can be valuable. The same goes for much of the content posted on this sub which is just guys sharing their experiences. | /r/TheRedPill | 31/10/15 11:12 AM |
| 1 | The Average Woman Can Not Exist Outside Without Their Cell PhoneHahaha I feel like I definitely need to try that. Still, it sounds like typical addict behaviour - if chance keeps 'em away from their phones for long enough they will learn to cope. It's just sad that society pretty much encourages the opposite. | /r/TheRedPill | 28/10/15 12:59 PM |
| 2 | The Average Woman Can Not Exist Outside Without Their Cell PhoneNah, guys do it for self-validation too. Some guys are selfie queens or Tweeting 24/7 man. Just have to look around social media to spot them. | /r/TheRedPill | 28/10/15 11:31 AM |
| 6 | The Average Woman Can Not Exist Outside Without Their Cell PhoneNo. It is relevant if they are systemically not like that. If you can spot patterns, etc, which /u/thehappygiant I think is doing in that comment then it might do you some good in your personal life or it might help us identify cause and effect. | /r/TheRedPill | 28/10/15 11:30 AM |
| 0 | The Average Woman Can Not Exist Outside Without Their Cell PhoneThere are girls that are farmville addicts I dunno so I guess anything can keep you hooked if it offers validation + positive reinforcement. I spent hours doing maths question on Khanacademy once lol, they weren't particularly challenging but the chime when you get one right and the the points and rewards earned just kept feeding into it. Likes, retweets and other forms of gratification on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Farmville and a lot of RPGs based upon grinding and leveling up keep the cycl… | /r/TheRedPill | 28/10/15 11:27 AM |
| 1 | The Average Woman Can Not Exist Outside Without Their Cell PhoneI don't even get what this is meant to mean. Do these addicted women disintegrate when away from their smartphones for too long? Like with men who are genuinely addicted to porn they will crave them but will learn to live without if forced to by circumstances (which is probably the best thing that can happen to them - cut the supply). | /r/TheRedPill | 28/10/15 11:21 AM |
| 1 | The Average Woman Can Not Exist Outside Without Their Cell PhoneDude I'm reading the same book you recommended right now/have done courses in prehistory and women were certainly gathering back then. They had to pull their weight or we just wouldn't have survived. It wasn't like Victorian upper classes where they could afford to just look after kids and socialise and that's it. You're right about the other stuff but I would add that the alpha males weren't necessarily the most useful members of their tribe, at least once our intelligence had evolved significa… | /r/TheRedPill | 28/10/15 11:12 AM |
| 3 | The Average Woman Can Not Exist Outside Without Their Cell PhoneYou make it sound like there aren't a significant % of men who are addicted to their phones or Facebook or social media of some other kind (especially among younger generation). I'm sure there are general differences in the way men and women use their phones/social media but the overall issue - as you paint it - is not sex specific. Personaly, I reckon we just didn't evolve to take into account modern tech (or even population sizes). The fact that you can socialize with strangers or distant frie… | /r/TheRedPill | 28/10/15 10:25 AM |
| 1 | Men aren't taught how to be attractive. Women are born into it.I think by 'what you really want to do' he meant aims (becoming built) not processes (going to the gym or those others you list). That's what I understood at least. If a specific message is widely interpreted wrongly the problem is in the accuracy of the message, not in the recipients who interpet it. I think this is debatable. The message might be fine yet harmful if combined with other teachings or wider socialisation. For example, fostering a sense of entitlement combined with 'be who you rea… | /r/TheRedPill | 03/10/15 07:38 AM |
| 2 | Men aren't taught how to be attractive. Women are born into it."Be yourself" removes every drive to actually change your personality for the better. It instills complacency I agree with this being the main problem but I don't believe 'being yourself' necessarily excludes 'improving' yourself - someone said further down - You need to do what you really want to do at the deepest level. It doesn't mean to stay acting like a loser... Its just a nuanced point that can be misinterpreted. So there's no problem with what they are saying; guys are taking it the wron… | /r/TheRedPill | 02/10/15 11:01 AM |
| 4 | Men aren't taught how to be attractive. Women are born into it.Yeah, I think this is what it's intended by it. Being yourself isn't something that should exclude self-development or mean that you should be wholly transparent and vulnerable to anyone. Some guys try to 'be themselves' without seeking to 'improve themselves' and surprise surprise they become disgruntled. For example, for this sub I try to internalize things I find desirable, behaviours, habits and so forth, and by doing so and putting them into practice it feels like they become a part of me r… | /r/TheRedPill | 02/10/15 10:10 AM |
| 1 | Men aren't taught how to be attractive. Women are born into it.Not most men are taught 'just be yourself', 'share your feelings', 'buy her presents'. Maybe a lot of the men who end up winding their path to this sub, and it's definitely becoming a bit of a doctrine in modern developed countries education systems/social justice circles but (other than gift-giving in a broad sense, which of course has long historical roots) they're not things internalized by the vast majority of men across the world (doesn't make some of this subs content less valuable to thos… | /r/TheRedPill | 02/10/15 09:46 AM |
| 1 | AWALT: My unicorn betrayed meI am astounded that she owned up to you about what she did considering it all. | /r/TheRedPill | 04/07/15 09:00 AM |
| 1 | AWALT: My unicorn betrayed mePeople will be people. This is the main reason I don't tend to monogamy (or at least monogamy with the expectation that it won't dissolve in a few years). We're not gibbons and it isn't very likely; just hakuna matata it, enjoy relationships while they last then move on. Low expectations is the secret to happiness I say. | /r/TheRedPill | 04/07/15 08:55 AM |
| 1 | Man who is finishing up his pHD posts to r/relationships about his wife who lacks ambition and can't hold a job. Most side with the wife.I don't travel that sub, but there's nothing wrong with what you quoted. If there is a double standard then it becomes wrong obviously, but different commenters comment different things. It is of course more acceptable in the mainstream to slate men for not holding down jobs. We're the traditional breadwinners so it's hardly a surprise. | /r/TheRedPill | 03/06/15 12:41 PM |
| 1 | Redditor makes a jokes about Reddit CEO Ellen Pao and her "safe space" vision. Post gets removed by mods after receiving over 3000 upvotes.I wasn't talking about rights. Rather, quite simply, the degree of free speech that we have here. | /r/TheRedPill | 26/05/15 11:38 AM |
| 2 | Redditor makes a jokes about Reddit CEO Ellen Pao and her "safe space" vision. Post gets removed by mods after receiving over 3000 upvotes.Freedom of speech a concept isn't limited to the gov... I meant within Reddit of course, in terms of what sort of site we want this to be. | /r/TheRedPill | 26/05/15 09:54 AM |
| 0 | Redditor makes a jokes about Reddit CEO Ellen Pao and her "safe space" vision. Post gets removed by mods after receiving over 3000 upvotes.Freedom of speech issues aside, the whole SJW stuff is a wholly liberal (at it's worst a twisted liberalism which tries to extend respect for freedom to people's sensitivities) phenomenom and the joke itself is stupid. Communism is the last thing I think of when I see these sorts. | /r/TheRedPill | 26/05/15 07:15 AM |
| 0 | Guy's girlfriend pushes him to open up the relationship. Guy decides he deserves better and dumps her. Girlfriend subsequently has a mental breakdown.That was nice I guess. Not that I would have thought him soft for deciding to open up the relationship as she suggested (if that's what he had wanted to do). The point is to always stand up for your own wishes and he did. | /r/TheRedPill | 25/05/15 10:14 AM |
| 0 | Visiting Prostitutes/Escorts, and what I've learned about sex and pair bonding. TLDR; Once a hoe, always a hoe.What do you mean? Escorts by definition earn a nice penny, no? How do you become an escort driver lol? | /r/TheRedPill | 06/04/15 12:18 PM |
| -2 | Visiting Prostitutes/Escorts, and what I've learned about sex and pair bonding. TLDR; Once a hoe, always a hoe.Hmmm... in all fairness, society was different once upon a time. Prostitution was just a way for many women to survive (still is that in some places) and you had huge chunks of poor women doing it. I don't think it's fair to compare to the escorts OP is talking about - the psychology is different. Having said that, a rich guy 'rescuing' a woman from prostitution just so you can make her his, there's something a bit off about that, still far from romantic for me. EDIT: disclaimer: have not read a… | /r/TheRedPill | 06/04/15 03:03 AM |
| 9 | New guys: TRP is like a salad bar - take what you want, and leave the rest.Thanks for posting this. There are idiots who project their own interpretations as TRP mantra though, criticizing others for theirs... it's bitchy and dogmatic and as far as I can see leads to the sad competitiveness that characterizes some parts of the sub. People are varied and different... it is normal that we'll differ in terms of what we require to self-improve and eventually self-actualize (or 'become alpha'). There are people on here whose opinions I don't respect at all but nonetheless I… | /r/TheRedPill | 24/03/15 01:44 PM |
| 1 | [FR]: You only exist to women if they want something from youAh yeah, I guess the soft husbands and married + privileged lifestyle has them detached from reality. I feel pity for most of them since most of them live basic lives despite the comforts. | /r/TheRedPill | 20/03/15 01:12 PM |
| 1 | [FR]: You only exist to women if they want something from youAre you saying a woman cannot be humbled by her life experience? Psychologically, expectations shift in accordance with environmental cues as far as I know, if you go all your life being rejected and ignored you may be sad or angry about it but I'm not sure I would call that entitlement. They will not expect favours and shit from men (as entitled women do) because they've learnt not to expect it. If we do call it that then it seems to me that any man who is sad he is not getting with 7s, 8s, 9s,… | /r/TheRedPill | 19/03/15 07:12 PM |
| 0 | [FR]: You only exist to women if they want something from youGeneralizing is a fair strategy when you approach the world and I guess the size of the minority may vary culturally, but the way it was phrased was like 'all apples are green', it's just incorrect to state it outright like that. | /r/TheRedPill | 19/03/15 07:04 PM |
| 1 | [FR]: You only exist to women if they want something from youThis is true, but the way he phrased it is not really appropriate to convey that. | /r/TheRedPill | 19/03/15 07:02 PM |
| 2 | [FR]: You only exist to women if they want something from youHmm, that article mirrors what I said in my initial comment about men and women using different methods to compete and to bond but it doesn't answer my question and explain why this need be evolutionary rather than social... My linguist friend just told me about a theory that the evolution of complex language structures and basically prototypical gossip saved us from extinction as with the Neanderthals (Homo narrans: the role of narration in the emergence of human language by Bernard Victorri). … | /r/TheRedPill | 19/03/15 02:20 PM |
| 1 | [FR]: You only exist to women if they want something from youYeah I think with attractive women under 30 it becomes even more unlikely, but it depends on upbringing and past and shared experiences, the human brain is very flexible so you never know but on average I believe you're right. | /r/TheRedPill | 19/03/15 02:07 PM |
| 2 | [FR]: You only exist to women if they want something from youI definitely agree with what you just wrote, it's just hard for us to abstractly decide exactly what is evolved and what is not. Let's use your example - as men we know that we are instinctively drawn to certain women, it is biological no questions asked - on the other hand we are also told that we should desire these women, shown men getting them in movies or books, and see men who manage to obtain them as revered, so could this further the psychological incentive and reward gained from doing s… | /r/TheRedPill | 19/03/15 01:23 PM |
| 1 | [FR]: You only exist to women if they want something from youI guess culture is a vague concept anyway, but basically it seems to vary across societies and communities. Propaganda definitely has a socializing influence as you say. | /r/TheRedPill | 19/03/15 01:09 PM |
| 2 | [FR]: You only exist to women if they want something from youIt's difficult to classify these things either as biological or learnt behaviours. I see it as a mix of both. In the past men could resolve issues of hierarchy and power by physical means. For more or less obvious reasons women did not and other mechanisms were created to do this, e.g. the gossiping and bitching. So you could say it 'came about naturally'. In a post-materialist world I don't see a need for it to stay like this though, I think culture/society can affect it. I don't think it's act… | /r/TheRedPill | 19/03/15 01:05 PM |
| 6 | [FR]: You only exist to women if they want something from youI agred completely until the 'women and men, are not ever friends'. Wtf. I have women friends who have pulled through for me when it counted - places to sleep, money, etc. even when I had little to offer them. In no way do I think they are a majority but generalising human behaviour and relationships like that just shows ignorance of how varied our species and interactions are. | /r/TheRedPill | 19/03/15 12:59 PM |
| 1 | [FR]: You only exist to women if they want something from youQuite agree and as for judging a person's character, 'observe how they treat others' and you will find your clue. As far as I have seen there are some women who are indeed kind and warm-hearted, although most people in general seem to be quite self-serving. | /r/TheRedPill | 19/03/15 12:54 PM |
| 1 | [FR]: You only exist to women if they want something from youDo ugly unappealing women share this sense of entitlement or only attractive women and if so should we avoid mentioning it in such general terms? It seems to me that this is still not gender-exclusive but something that comes with with being spoiled from an early age and having no experience of the opposite struggle (e.g. most attractive women, but also men who are born wealthy and raised to be confident and never have had it bad). | /r/TheRedPill | 19/03/15 12:52 PM |
| 3 | [FR]: You only exist to women if they want something from youI made the same point myself. Going down the comments I'm happy to see others have noticed too. I think if he was openly gay his results may have been massively skewed even. Definitely don't think he can take broad conclusions from this. | /r/TheRedPill | 19/03/15 12:49 PM |
| 0 | [FR]: You only exist to women if they want something from youThey are also more or less of them depending on a number of cultural factors. In many places our own is quite selfish in certain ways... | /r/TheRedPill | 19/03/15 12:46 PM |
| 1 | [FR]: You only exist to women if they want something from youI'm like you and feel the same way, but from my own observations I think a lot of other men will look past the non-vapid ones if they are not sexually appealing to them, and are thus on similar levels of shallowness as what OP is trying to point out. | /r/TheRedPill | 19/03/15 12:40 PM |
| 3 | [FR]: You only exist to women if they want something from youWith specific regard to OP's post though, most men would not charge into battle for some random chick they used to speak to fuck-knows how many years ago. In fact as with his women (where it was whether they had a successful man), I don't think most men would even be arsed to meet up with this girl if she was unappealing to him for whatever reason (in our case mainly looks). I think that we are just conditioned to try and form strong friendships with our own gender (where men try to with women t… | /r/TheRedPill | 19/03/15 12:37 PM |
| 7 | [FR]: You only exist to women if they want something from youYou are generally right except that the human mind is occasionally irrational enough to make you care about people who you don't benefit from - at the most extreme there is Stockholm syndrome or capture-bonding, but every day things such as family ties or empathy developed in groups. Economic principles applied to human thinking in general tend to fail for this reason. Anyway, you are broadly right, most people seek to derive utility from their interactions with others, whether male, female, old… | /r/TheRedPill | 19/03/15 12:24 PM |
| 4 | [FR]: You only exist to women if they want something from youExactly. I've had women do me favours too. I think when some men think of 'women' they think of 'hot attractive women who I desire' and base all their conceptions of women on those girls. As you say it's generally human behaviour to use people for something (even in most friendships between males there is something being gained, it's just not as tangible as cash or resources). I guess the disclaimer that has to be made is that unconditional love is indeed possible just a rarity and generally foo… | /r/TheRedPill | 19/03/15 12:16 PM |
| -1 | [FR]: You only exist to women if they want something from youThe other day I got a call from this girl who formerly broke my penis when we were drunk and who insists that 'it' (between us) will never happen again (she's religious). Anyway she got me food, didn't want the D in practice and didn't have any big life issues to confess to me (although we caught up obviously). We just chilled as you did with your ex-buddies/associates and it was the complete antithesis to your account. My point is you can't draw conclusions about all women from a sample group w… | /r/TheRedPill | 19/03/15 12:07 PM |
| -3 | Stop making posts "challenging" men to get married. It's a terrible deal/risk for men in the west.Marriage is a good deal for some men and a bad deal for others, largely depends on their circumstances, sexual market value, etc. I will say that while I only know U.S. marriage by reputation though, it does seem quite appalling, but you're making grand claims about the entire West? I am quite sure that we are not all as nuts about alimony and child support but anyway the burden of proof is on you if you're to make that statement. Is marriage in Sweden so fucked? France? Germany? Spain? It might… | /r/TheRedPill | 14/03/15 11:15 AM |
| 1 | Went out on a tinder date tonight. Bailed halfway through the first drink.You don't have to be a bitch trainer. You can simply leave her dumbfounded if you want. But making her think she dodged a bullet simply contributes to a mindset everyone here is moaning about. | /r/TheRedPill | 15/02/15 01:45 PM |
| 1 | Went out on a tinder date tonight. Bailed halfway through the first drink.I would still have put it differently myself but fair enough. | /r/TheRedPill | 14/02/15 07:13 PM |
| -1 | Went out on a tinder date tonight. Bailed halfway through the first drink.The main reason he was compelled to leave her was because she was being a twat with the car thing not just because she was a 6/10. From what he said she probably took it as being solely about the latter. I think a few other commenters on this page have offered still concise but better things he could have said, not that it's a huge deal. | /r/TheRedPill | 14/02/15 05:53 PM |
| 1 | Went out on a tinder date tonight. Bailed halfway through the first drink.I dunno mate. I wouldn't call that deceptive. Most humans do it. Not just with regards to sex or dating. There is no obligation to take and post fb pics when you feel unattractive even if it obviously is misleading. The internet and social media is just not reflective of human interaction as intended by nature so little issues like these are inevitable results. Out of everything you said 'hiding the crazy' is the thing I take issue with since they're essentially putting up a complete act. | /r/TheRedPill | 14/02/15 05:30 PM |
| 1 | Went out on a tinder date tonight. Bailed halfway through the first drink.I agree less is more but I am not sure what and how he said it properly conveyed the issue. | /r/TheRedPill | 14/02/15 05:26 PM |
| -1 | Went out on a tinder date tonight. Bailed halfway through the first drink.Because you're encouraging her to continue being a dumbass. OP may or may not care about this but if he had said something else it might have led to her reassessing herself, which in terms of moral right/wrong, would probably be preferable. | /r/TheRedPill | 14/02/15 04:05 PM |
| 3 | Went out on a tinder date tonight. Bailed halfway through the first drink.'Deceptive' is a strong word for what I think you're talking about imo. It is not abnormal to want to impress in the dating scene and as a whole men are no strangers to it too. Example - I would note a difference between someone who exaggerates in a job interview and someone who invents outright falsities. Unless I've missed what you meant... | /r/TheRedPill | 14/02/15 04:01 PM |
| 1 | Went out on a tinder date tonight. Bailed halfway through the first drink.Sure but if he wanted to teach her a lesson he should probably have told her what he felt straight up, gave her some food for thought rather than that one liner. | /r/TheRedPill | 14/02/15 03:57 PM |
| 5 | Was "taught not to rape" in sociology class today (rant)Hahahahahahaha good lord... '8. Always be honest with people! Don’t pretend to be a caring friend in order to gain the trust of someone you want to assault. Consider telling them you plan to assault them. If you don’t communicate your intentions, the other person may take that as a sign that you do not plan to rape them.' '10. Carry a whistle! If you are worried you might assault someone “on accident” you can hand it to the person you are with, so they can blow it if you do.' | /r/TheRedPill | 12/02/15 09:46 AM |
| 1 | Was "taught not to rape" in sociology class today (rant)Indeed this needs to be exposed to a wider audience, it's simply appalling schooling. I would at least have asked for the slides, y'know to make sure my non-raping game stays on point... As someone from the UK I have to ask, why is the US education system so prone to bullshit (our own isn't perfect but your issues with evolution, this, etc. are something else), is just me or does it it seems to be massively influenced by interest groups? Edit: Looked around a bit and saw that '11 guaranteed sexu… | /r/TheRedPill | 12/02/15 09:18 AM |
| 4 | This blows my mind: Teenage girl fired over Twitter amasses support from around the worldHonestly, I think it's a real big stretch to assume gender issues are the defining factor here (or to take this news as relevant to TRP). Seems like a 'workers vs. the system' thing to me rather than anything else. I guess the masses are reluctant to back business owners or 'bosses' even when they are in the right... | /r/TheRedPill | 11/02/15 12:08 PM |
| 3 | So you're not interested in women and only want to "self-improve"? Great, but TRP is and always will be about effective sexual strategies ["Do it for yourself, the pervasive hamster" by /u/redpillschool]For me the point of this sub is empowerment. To gain the tools to reap what you want from life (with special emphasis on the opposite sex obviously). I'm not sure that some of the wider culture on here reflects that though. There's a competitive undercurrent, a desire for approval by other men. A notion that 'I/he must constantly do x, y and z in order to prove my/his status as an alpha to him/myself and others', which to me goes against the very notion of being self-empowered. This is more what… | /r/TheRedPill | 31/12/14 03:37 AM |
| 13 | So you're not interested in women and only want to "self-improve"? Great, but TRP is and always will be about effective sexual strategies ["Do it for yourself, the pervasive hamster" by /u/redpillschool]Thanks for this. So true. Too many take the sidebar stuff like gospel without questioning. With regards to the OP, personally I aim to develop knowledge and a mindset that benefits me while avoiding conscious strategizing. I feel that if I become too cold and calculating instead of spontaneous I lose a large part of what it is to be myself... and sacrificing myself for sex or women... no thanks, I'm not that desperate. Too many people on this sub seem to take an inflexible/checklist/robotic appr… | /r/TheRedPill | 30/12/14 03:07 PM |
| 1 | Love does not exist.Love isn't exclusive to monogamous LTRs. You seem to be arguing against the stereotypical conception of love more than anything else. Passionate love is very much measurable neurologically. It's quite simply an emotion. It doesn't 'last forever' like in the fairytales but it certainly exists. It has a very well-defined biological purpose. There hasn't been a time in history where we've not been aware of it. 'Committed love' is different... it's closer to what you call a contract, more accurately… | /r/TheRedPill | 30/12/14 05:18 AM |
| 1 | Not just sexual strategy is amoral, everything is. Why? Because life has no feelings, no conscience or consciousness and gives no fucks about shit. That doesn't mean disregarding morality as a whole is a wise or even balanced thing to do.'I don't mind banging women with bfs but I won't bang women who are married'? It seems as if you're being victim of what you're complaining about. Let's be clear, morality doesn't endorse the institution of marriage or give it any privileges. People get married for a myriad of reasons. Why would you draw such an arbitrary line? As for children, actually taking your time to seduce or strategically target a woman with a family who is otherwise happy is sleazy. However, what if she comes on to you?… | /r/TheRedPill | 29/12/14 01:17 PM |
| 1 | Women start at the top of a hill, but have nowhere to go but down. Men start at the bottom of a mountain, but the only limit is how high they can climb.The fundamentals are that men are about looks and women are about security. It is indeed a universal trend but the degree to which people are gluttonous about these things varies hugely. External forces can exaggerate our predispositions... e.g consumerism, increases the value of basic SMV relative to other forms of attraction/bonding/whatever. Imo the variations are way too much to quantify properly let alone attempt a comparison between the sexes like the OP is. I just don't see the point of i… | /r/TheRedPill | 29/12/14 03:29 AM |
| -1 | Women start at the top of a hill, but have nowhere to go but down. Men start at the bottom of a mountain, but the only limit is how high they can climb.TRP should avoid these meta-theories. Yes we can find things and ways of thinking here that are beneficial to our personal experience (because of how our society happens to be) but let's not forget that it's all fucking culturally relative. As you say the concepts of this sub are for self-improvement, it's a guide. The point isn't to draw up grand theories about society. SMV itself is subjective in that what people seek from sexual encounters can vary substantially (even within their own lives).… | /r/TheRedPill | 28/12/14 01:10 PM |
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