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Jesus christ what's with the barrage of obviously retarded posts. This is so patently false and I feel only a woman could write it. Not because women have a worse grasp on reality but because this particular question is probably harder for them to see, they have no access to male psychology which is quite different and much more sex-driven. Similarly men often project their own psychology onto women and actually believe that women desire sex just as much as they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 12:08 AM
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I find it very strange that so many men want "validation". Personally I just want sex and to not be bothered afterwards (not in the sense that I'm some cold motherfucked who doesn't want to talk or hang out, but in the sense that I don't want any obligations at all and women usually fuck you just to develop them). Prostitutes are shunned and I couldn't go to one because I've internalized that. But dolls might be a solution if they're convincing enough. Things like fleshlights don't work because …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 12:03 AM
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We do have some active groups of incels though. The most prominent one wants to make vaginas a public property, to "socialize" it. His "leader" is a communist incel, yep. Women are vaginacapitalists and should be striped of their rights to choose partners and be obliged to have sex with anyone. Do you have more links/info?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/21 12:59 PM
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What's weird? Do you want me to link attractiveness-age statistics for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/21 12:37 PM
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Personal question how did it go for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/21 12:12 PM
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He got teen pussy at 31 and you felt bad for him?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/21 11:58 AM
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Same here. Socially conservative, fiscally bolshevik.
/r/BlackPillScience20/09/20 09:55 AM
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Men systematically and vastly underestimate how much the world is colder to them. "A woman could never know the consummate coldness of the universe." This isn't really some kind of fixable injustice as much as the result of how men and women naturally are, what they naturally want. It is an undeniable fact that both men and women find women much more valuable by default, and also treat them much better. Also, men are the active sex, primarily because they've had to compete for women for much of …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 10:11 PM
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Nah I'd rather not stop. At this point, I could link you to numerous papers delineating the differences between male and female interests, but I guess you would dismiss that as "pseudoscience". Unless, of course, you consider talking about who Katy saw in the mall yesterday as "geeking out". gamer What about gatekeeping techbro? Gatekeeping electrician? Gatekeeping regular bro who wants to do things women aren't interested in? In truth, women don't have to be 'gatekept' out of gaming: they mostl…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 06:06 PM
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It’s the fact that you’re comparing the two that makes it completely relevant, are you serious? You realize you’re getting this same comment repeatedly for a reason right? No, the reason I'm getting this comment is because people find it really hard to reason quantitatively, or really love missing the point. Take a population of 50 men and 50 women, with 40 men and 49 women boring, for example. There's 10 times more interesting men. What's the implicit gender you associate with 'interesting' in …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 09:24 AM
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Hm, might be, guess I'll never really know.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 09:20 AM
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So basically your personal preference is what determines an intelligent person Absolutely not. Men and women have pretty much equal average intelligence. Men are slightly more dispersed around this mean, so there's more retarded men, but also more geniuses, but it's not nearly as pronounced as what I'm talking about here, which is character. I find my low-IQ male friends to be more interesting than my spectacularly high-IQ female ones, for example. So, not about intelligence.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 09:19 AM
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Seems like a given to me, yes. But I had different expectations. I was raised in a very specifically feminist setting, and was inundated with examples of women being very different than they turned out to be IRL.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 09:17 AM
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Well, those are good examples, sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 11:47 PM
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and said women are boring because they don't geek out about video games Women don't like geeking out about pretty much anything is my point. It's not the topics, it's the characters, that are the problem. I honestly think your whole view might be warped by the misbelief that you aren't boring. Got me! I don't think you can really get a good feel for people through their numerous and quite fragmented online identities. I'm not saying that as an insult, but if you're boring, your perception on wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 11:37 PM
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No, I'm super-seriously not saying that, even though that's the #1 reply I seem to be getting. "People are boring" is not the statement I came here to discuss. Instead, it's differences between men and women, as explained in the OP. On average, women are less interesting, to a degree where this is perceptible and impactful might be a good summary. The fact that men in general may or may not be interesting and to whom is literally irrelevant because I'm comparing them to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 11:30 PM
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I've made like 20 replies in this thread with many, many examples. The only person I know who does global IT security is a woman. Do you think this generalizes? It doesn't. Look at top-tier security companies, paper and exploit authors, etc. Even for CS, this is an incredibly male-dominated field. (I guess many exploit authors are anonymous but I assure you the gender split is approximately equal to gun designers.)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 11:23 PM
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Great to hear!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 11:20 PM
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Well, okay, you make good points.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 11:18 PM
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you are essentially saying that if women do not demonstrate interest in “male” hobbies or interests in a very specific male fashion, then they are “not really” interested to the same degree. I'm saying that they don't demonstrate any kind of independent interest for cool shit. I'm not saying that those things are inherently male, but it seems like they might be. Are you aware of the fact that women are generally far more socially attuned to things like that and are far less to behave in that man…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 11:02 PM
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...or solders electronics, does computer security, is into obscure literature, wants to talk about fantasy and video games, has whatever kind of autistic niche interest, or a billion of other things a non-disingenuous reading might lead you to conclude
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 10:54 PM
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Do you not?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 10:52 PM
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So are you suggesting that men are more interesting than women or just slightly less boring? I think that is where I am confused. Both, kind of. The majority of both men and women might be boring, but men are vastly overrepresented in the "is interesting / funny" category. I think men resent it when women won't fuck them and that is about it. After the fact they will say the women who won't fuck them are boring or pedantic or basic. I mean of course you could say that I'm lying for clout, but I …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 10:49 PM
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It's therefore not all that surprising that you're meeting more guys who are doing tech hobbies, because overwhelmingly more guys are in tech in general, and you're talking to the less than half that do it outside their day job. I don't have the data for this, but I would be very surprised if, of those 30-40% of people who do tech shit at home, 20% were women. That is, women are vastly overrepresented in the group "only does work-related tech things" and vastly underrepresented in the group "doe…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 10:44 PM
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All of this implies that men are "interesting" by default and women are not I believe I'm making a much more sophisticated argument, based on averages, degrees of variability in traits, and lived experience. I genuinely do not believe you can just reduce it to "as a rule" and "by default".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 10:41 PM
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Interesting. This is probably true. I guess my problem is that I don't really have a coherent picture of what a desirable society looks like. There's the standard conservative picture, which is congruent to your diagnosis here, and then there's the leftist "destroy the family narrative". I'm not particularly attached to either. On the level of facts, I agree with conservatives as you can tell from my post. But not much else. My resentment here probably stems from my nihilism in the sense that I …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 10:38 PM
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I don't think what you're saying is all that incompatible with what I'm saying to be honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 10:32 PM
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That's a good point, however... For some reason, I find talking to even lower IQ guy friends more fun than talking to really high IQ women, even in my field, who I'm supposed to share interests with. I have a friend who was basically in special ed but he'll be more interested in talking about my field than a woman in my field. Sure she might want to talk about the directly relevant minutiae but she almost actively doesn't want to have conversations about things like "wider implications" or just …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 10:28 PM
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That's an interesting perspective. I don't think it's the whole explanation, but it might be a part of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 10:18 PM
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and if she does, she is shamed and called a “fake fan” by the gate keeping mentally I think this is because in almost every hobby, women are aggressively pushed in by official sources, HR and PR departments, etc. While there's a literal sea of men who work on that alone out of an autistic self-drive. So women are viewed with more skepticism, even if the individual woman might be just as driven as the average male participant. “twitch thots” and told they don’t really know how to play even if the…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 10:17 PM
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I wouldn't say that. It's a discussion opener where I'm a bit more honest and aware of the reasons for why I think things.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 10:13 PM
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That's almost certainly true. As I said, this post comes from a place of frustration and resentment, I'm just being open about it. But it's probably not a very healthy perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 10:09 PM
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I totally forgot about that angle. Very true when I think of it. Also kind of generalizes to personality as a whole. I know very few women who I'd describe as either "electrifying" or "awful".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 10:06 PM
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What about troves of women without children for whom this difference also exists? I don't know a single woman who built her own computer, or showed independent interest for stuff like that. The few women I'd describe as techies got into that through people-oriented activities. I know guys who are way dumber than many smart women that I know, who still have this burning curiosity and willingness to spend their time doing technology-related shit even though there's no big system to reward them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 10:03 PM
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as a rule, that the majority of men you meet are interesting people How did I say this, then?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 10:01 PM
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How about actually addressing the argument instead of brushing it aside? But that was not your argument. However to reply anyway, the way in which it is trivial is that it confounds preferences for interests ("women prefer talking about people") and qualities of interests (starcraft is more competitive). I'm, obviously, talking about the qualities here. Now how about you address literally the entire reply before what you quoted?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 10:00 PM
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That's certainly a more neutral way of putting it. I just find it very difficult to be attracted to people who are like that. In fact, the modern media image of the woman is precisely the opposite of its reality: the woman is depicted as the hero who knows systems and is more capable than men, is more adventurous and courageous, etc. A creator, a warrior, ... Isn't this (growing) discrepancy between how women are depicted, and how they actually are, interesting? What do you think it says about u…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 09:53 PM
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No, I am literally not saying that. Read my post again.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 09:49 PM
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I just don't find this to be the case. The fact that a simple majority of men might be dull isn't really an argument in this context of talking about likelihood. Certainly this is all hard to quantify, so I did base a large part of this on my personal lived experience, and what I believe to be the experience of many men, even if they won't admit it (and many do, privately). And my experience is that, the people who go and do fun and active shit are usually men. Some of it is certainly subjective…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 09:46 PM
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pretty sure women smell better than robots bud. I'd trade all their nice smells to get rid of the bad vaginal ones. I didn't really experience this myself, but there are horror stories, data I've seen (based on self-reports though), that make this mere possibility a problem. do you really feel like interacting with women is that painful? I wouldn't say painful. It's only painful when they have power over you. But that's usually not the case, and then it's just boring and sometimes annoying. I wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 09:25 PM
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Because these kinds of fields tend to grow exponentially. "No one would ever buy this 'pocket' phone, look at how expensive and impractical it is in the current year!" thinking doesn't last long.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 08:49 PM
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Of course, at this stage, a man can ask for whatever programming he wants. Or no programming at all, or a very thin layer that only serves a sexual purpose, and then just hang out with the boys
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 08:31 PM
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Yep. Once you accept that men and women aren't identical psychologically, a lot of contemporary discourse not just directly about gender but about society in general starts collapsing on itself. There are many such (simple!) truths that we have built massive social structures to hide.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 08:29 PM
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People who think the majority of male sexual behavior can be explained by "validation" are either women or men in denial, or men who just can't get any so don't know either way. No, it's literally 90% about release. Give us a good enough robot and women will have to do hell of a lot more to compete (and will simply always lose in areas like always smelling good, not bleeding, etc.) Any man knows how the process with women currently goes would find not having to interact with women to get a viabl…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 06:34 PM
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tfw literally anything online is more interesting than them
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/20 04:51 PM
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I was born in the mid 90s. I think this is basically the case, but for me it's not due to inability, it's due to the fact that I can't stand being in a relationship, and every woman seems to want one. I do want to have sex, but it appears that you can't really get that without either being dishonest or being in a relationship. And being dishonest and stringing people along seems like it would require even more effort than... just being in a relationship. The reason I don't want to be in a relati…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/20 10:57 AM
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it's super entertaining for me personally. honestly I bet a large portion of their readership are men like me who find it fascinating
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/20 11:32 PM
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Yeah. Maybe I got the wrong impression then
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/20 11:20 PM
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It is physically impossible I'm pretty sure it's something that could be studied, it's kinda strange to say it's "physically impossible" to examine people's preferences and notice trends
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/20 10:17 PM
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yeah the tone americans write in about dating is really cataclismic lmao. on the other hand, people in continental europe barely use online dating, comparatively. I'm 25 and I don't know a single person who uses, with one exception being gay dudes. every couple I know of met irl through shared circles come to think of it, I have friend groups that include like 100 ppl where so many have dated each other that we lose track americans are probably just extremely alienated. another parallel is their…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/20 10:15 PM
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what's dead game?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 02:13 PM
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Absolutely wrong. In fact it's the opposite. Sex is primarily about physical pleasure to men, and you get social validation mostly to signal that you are a good mate (modern times) or you simply become dominant. Most men in history did not reproduce (I think it's about 80% of them, way higher than women), and those who did for the most part in history did it with multiple women--their concubines. They didn't want them for "validation", they wanted them for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 08:30 PM
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Because they want sex to a much lesser extent than men. Instead what they want is commitment. And that's super-difficult to get from relatively higher-value men, and has gotten even harder with liberalizing sexual norms. Double edged sword!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 02:02 PM
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Nah. Women universally lack any interesting hobbies and drive (according to male standards) outside of social acceptance to a much greater extent than men. Sure, most people are like that, but just like with IQ, men are higher variance and in the distribution tails that actually matter they're more heavily represented. This is extremely obvious to anyone with technical interests, where women have to be dragged in kicking and screaming with multiple decade long vast social programs and changes ye…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 01:29 PM
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I am the man that is not highly competitive What do you mean? You don't like competition and so on, career-building? Don't have the psychology for it?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 10:32 PM
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There most definietly are things that predictably cause economic growth. Are you serious??? Yes, and they're quite few in number, often immutable (average national IQ is a great predictor for example), and certainly don't come in the form of "do this one weird trick with gender roles and suddenly you'll dominate the world". The first workers of the industrial revolution in the US were women, mostly immigrant women. Do you have something to back this up? It certainly seems wrong to me. The indust…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 10:27 PM
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Yeah, you're right. However, to the extent that engineering is interesting to people, it's mostly interesting to men. In fact, I'm much more likely to have one of my guy friends of average intelligence be interested in some technical concept and want to talk about it, than some very intelligent women I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 10:23 PM
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You can pick any sort of social change concomitant with economic booms and then point "see? X is good for the economy!" In truth, it's the other way around most of the time, and no correlation whatsoever at others. I think these cases vastly outnumber the other direction, there are very few things that can predictably cause economic growth and they're very difficult to actually change. The industrial revolution began long before women entered the workforce, a lot of growth was achieved, and grow…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 10:01 PM
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Because engineering is boring. To women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 09:44 PM
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society was ok when women were taught that their "path to a happy life" was less important than serving men's happiness and their needs. What if men and women are simply different? What if the current gender politics zeitgeist was in fact artificially put forward by a caste of very atypical, highly-competitive women, and has made the average woman (and man) actually much less happy than before? Research certainly seems to suggest it: https://law.yale.edu/sites/default/files/documents/pdf/Intelle…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 09:41 PM
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Women today are less happy than ever before in recorded history. https://law.yale.edu/sites/default/files/documents/pdf/Intellectual_Life/Stevenson_ParadoxDecliningFemaleHappiness_Dec08.pdf and a lot of other research, a google away Maybe men and women are different after all. Maybe a small minority of highly atypical women shouldn't monopolize social and cultural decisions in our society to the detriment of the majority (and men).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 09:39 PM
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Ah, you're completely right: most people are boring (no matter how self-absorbed this sounds, I can say whatever I want on a pseudonymous forum!) But you're missing a subtle statistical point here. Take IQ. The average IQ of men and women is pretty much the same. Pick a random woman and a random guy and guess which is smarter: you'll be right about 50% of the time, meaning your prediction is pretty much worthless. You just can't say. So does that mean "women and men are equally intelligent"? Wel…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/20 12:00 PM
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Im giving you another datapoint for "men have lower social preference overall". Not a proof of course, it's just that you'll find lots of men with pretty much this sentiment ("I don't want to hang out with / as much as women")
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 01:43 PM
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Vocal minority of feminized men whining.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 09:50 AM
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I totally agree with him. Idk the relevant research but I would sooner kill myself than pointlessly "hang out" all the time like women do. I do go out, hang out, have beers with friends, but way less and there's often a point to it. Quality over quantity.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 09:48 AM
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Completely tolerable. Just boring. Women have a bit less variance in almost all measures, meaning that if you meet someone super interesting or super intelligent they're much more likely to be male. Most men are too and the averages are similar, but it's the variance that kills it for you guys- most women are simply kind of boring.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 09:44 AM
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On average I find women alot less funny, less engaging and less likable than men So do other women. But i respect that women may feel that about men They don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 09:40 AM
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This is certainly an important factor, but there are other biological/psychological differences that probably contribute. Basically I'm in the basket of people who agree that gender is biologically grounded in a major way, but I haven't read enough about this to really give you more details for this specific situation
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 09:21 AM
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the social conditioning argument There's guys fucking sheep. There's guys fighting wars over pussy. When guys talk to a lifelong female friend who couldn't sexualize them if she tried, if she's a 6+ they imagine banging her probably multiple times during the interaction and definitely afterwards if they couldn't focus or if it was short. There ain't no fucking social conditioning that can drain your balls. Women don't have such a mechanism. It's just common sense, I genuinely find it so strange …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 01:00 AM
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Mother hens?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 09:45 PM
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Just google it. Literally every study done finds that men much have higher sex drives on every measure. A documentary is not a reliable source of information for questions like these.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 09:29 PM
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Then you become new and exciting again - when it’s all too late. That's what's being simulated though. Obv. ppl who get upset and ppl who have it as a fetish are distinct. But the mechanism might be common to some extent.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 12:45 AM
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Hey I'm a guy and I definitely feel this. Like literally the only thing that can extinguish my libido is certainty and repetition. And not like LTR repetition, I can even lose interest after a couple of times. Kinda sucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 12:35 AM
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Fascinating how upset they get when you move on and start having fantastic sex with other people. Then you become new and exciting again - when it’s all too late. I wonder if this could be an explanation for the cuckoldry fetish.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 12:33 AM
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Hoooly shit I identify with this more strongly than with my heterosexuality. I explicitly wondered why I'm like that despite not knowing that it was an actual concept.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 12:31 AM
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Yes this is why I don't need water, people would think I'm a loser!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/20 09:55 PM
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There's no way it's dudes doing this. As twisted as your view of reality might be, the "cum imperative" is just too real, it's too pleasurable, for men to actually admit this nonsense. Unless they're all lying, but I don't see why would they be.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/20 04:21 PM
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Jesus fucking Christ women have zero idea of what being a man is like.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/20 04:18 PM
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Lmao NO. Men crave sex because their balls need emptying and because it feels good. I don't need 'affection'. Only a woman could think this lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/20 04:17 PM
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If that's really your reading comprehension level I feel sorry for you
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/20 02:31 PM
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The component of male lived experience that is wholly unaccessible to women, more than any other, is the colossal and abyssal apathy of the universe towards you. Women cannot relate to this, except perhaps women of exceptional ugliness, childless crones, and FtM transexuals The apathy of the universe is bottomless, and to a man, uniquely to a man, he begins to feel this apathy even from a very young age, he becomes the object of a radical indifference, in equal measure to what vitality he shows …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/20 10:07 AM
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This. It's a cynical power play. They don't even care enough to hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/20 09:57 AM
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I'm not an incel, I could easily have a hot girlfriend, and I have had. I just don't want this anymore (and I never did, I just didn't realize it). What's so hard to believe?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/20 08:33 PM
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For real, no. I'm not some invested MGTOW, I've never even been to their community, but I do not care about women. The only situation where I'd potentially still sleep with one would be if she literally just spreads her legs before me without even needing me to know her name. Anything less easy than that, I consider a commitment trap, and won't have any part of it. Believe it or not there are those of us who really can't be bothered. We're okay being romantically alone. I have been, my entire li…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/20 08:31 PM
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Well I agree. The best solution is to let everyone do their thing. Over time we should expect the number of scientific contributions to converge on some natural ratio that expresses the relative innate preferences and capabilities. Be warned however. Having a degree and making a fundamental contribution aren't equivalent. A degree is usually a much broader cutoff. In math, only a small, extremely small percentage of degree-holders actually make fundamental contributions. If males had an even sli…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 10:21 PM
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Sorry to disappoint but in real life I'm a completely normal person who interacts with women and doesn't say things like these. I don't even post that much either. In fact most guys actually believe the things I've said, and often way more misogynistic stuff: the echo chamber is the bluepilled men on twitter and American students. There's lots of women studying STEM, true, mostly in things like biology, medical sciences, or in branches for teachers in other fields. You ain't gonna see an influx …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 03:31 PM
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Im sure so many of the guys you encountered on those subs are not actual men but women posing as men No, they're not lmao. Go to a real-life meetup or a group of people working on something cool and interesting: almost always they're guys. Sure you can propose there's some magical force keeping women out of these activities in real life too... and in fact there is: it's called innate psychological differences in preferences between genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 03:19 PM
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I think women generally don't like fixing things. They like 'people things' way more than they like systems or mechanisms.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 03:14 PM
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Personally I have not given up on life. I'm extremely ambitious and relatively successful thus far. I don't really play video games. But shopping vs. gaming? Really? I'd choose gaming 1000x times over. I'd choose talking to a gamer 10 000x over than talking to a woman who considers shopping a hobby. I guess it's just one of the biological differences between men and women. Men tend to view the world as an object, a mechanism, while women don't, and so men comprise almost all of the hardcore gami…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 03:12 PM
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Sorry but with every year, every day, every fucking second, this defense looks less and less plausible. "Oh it's all just due to oppression"--how long will it last? Imagine in 100 years that all male-female differences persist, will it also be due to oppression? Or might you finally admit that there are differences between men and women that aren't just social constructs? When given the freedom to, men and women pretty much self-select into very different kinds of occupations, hobbies, and field…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 03:06 PM
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I bet he can but I'm not really sure a lot of people want him to.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 02:54 PM
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Literally just google "male female sex drive differences". Female sex drive is a rounding error in literally every study ever done on this. They had a major literature review and didn't fine one single study where one single measure contradicted this. By your (i.e. male) standards women are pretty much asexual. They have a totally different experience of attraction and have sex for completely different reasons. You should've really figured this out as a guy. Imagine how the world would look if w…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 01:10 PM
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You could've started a neat little values debate but because of your hilariously wrong appeal to authority it's not going anywhere Not illegal
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/20 09:06 AM
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No...most people can tell the difference between when someone is touching you because they feel entitled to and have no regard for your personal space vs. when they have simply misread personal cues about when it is okay to touch. This is not about filtering out competent social cue readers from incompetent social cue readers, it is about the person's intentions. I don't understand what you're saying here, can you elaborate? I don't see how it's a response to what I said. If some people sometime…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 11:00 PM
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IME guys who can easily get casual sex do tire of it I can easily get casual sex. I did tire of it because it turned out to be not so casual. Maybe I'm not alpha enough and give off relationship vibes when I'm just trying to be nice. But in either case, men can't tire of sex, they literally biologically cannot, they tire of the circumstances under which it can be obtained. many men DO want relationships. I'm not saying relationships are dumb. Most people do them voluntarily, they're probably not…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 10:03 PM
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Malicious implies intent and some level of destructiveness. I don't think you can demonstrate any intent behind these social dynamics--it's just people, men and women alike, following their instincts. And destructiveness is debatable. Sure there are definite losers, just like in the economy, but not all games are lost because other players were "malicious".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 09:57 PM
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I'm with you on this one, figuratively. It's only natural that men and women who learn the true nature of the opposite sex come to resent each other. Believe me, if I could turn myself gay and live on a planet with only men, I wouldn't hesitate.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 09:52 PM
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I thought there was an implicit "not as much as men" there. They have much lower sex drives. This is a biological fact you can google right now. And most women don't want sex with strangers at all, while almost all men do, pointing to a significant difference in how and why they even want it in the first place. It's definitely not about pure physical pleasure and urge release like it is for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 05:46 PM
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Interesting point, I haven't thought about it from that perspective. There's probably millions of men like that who have delusions about what they could get. But you're right only up to a point. Where I'm from, this association between 'gamer' and 'loser' is pretty much non-existent. You can find guys who are hardcore gamers and Chads at the same time. It's just not punished that hard, and video games are a part of normal guy talk no matter the status or attractiveness level. But you still won't…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 05:40 PM
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Well women have a problem with that, not me, I'm a guy. And presumably their problem is the fact that they don't really want sex, they want commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 05:21 PM
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But why? We're disgusting because we have urges? I told I don't even act on my urges. Also lots of guys out there who consider commitment worth it. Maybe I will one day. But I don't see what makes you so disgusted at me for literally not taking advantage of anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 05:19 PM
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I don't. I just want to stick my dick in something. Well, it would be great to find someone really interesting, but I never have, and I still want to stick my dick in almost anything. I realized that most women find this repulsive and want commitment, and that I'll hurt them even if they say it's just about the sex for them too, so I don't really have sex anymore. It's not out of altruism as much as it is about my low stress threshold and distaste for conflict.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 02:56 PM
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There's a lot of stigma around that. I personally even believe in that stigma, and I don't know whether I'd ever be able to "go to a prostitute" because thinking about that poor woman's life and what she probably has to endure is not nice. I don't even know how to do that, it's illegal here. It's fucking expensive and illegal in most places It can be dangerous Lot's of guys already do that anyway Honestly I'd rather handle my blue balls myself. I don't need the validation incels do. Occasionally…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 02:43 PM
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THE JOOS really control the world from the shadows and want extinction of the white race What you mean to imply that this isn't true?!?! Jkjk I worded it saucily, I'll give you that. It assumes more intent behind all of that happening than is probably the case which makes it sound more sinister. But at the end of the day, it's really how it plays out, no matter the fact that someone didn't explicitly design it that way. People are very good at making complex but implicit social systems. We rarel…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 02:36 PM
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You're deluded if you think you know what goes in the mind of most men. Most men by 20 understand that their dick isn't a guide to a happy relationships. Yeah, because they learn that women will require constant commitment, that this isn't like hanging out with their guy friends but it's more like work, and so they seek to minimize the stress and find someone that is worthwhile. But again make no mistake most guys wouldn't flinch an eye to live in a parallel world where they could get sex withou…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 02:31 PM
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most people (especially women) prefer to fuck people they care about. Lmao no. If given the option, men would prefer to just fuck, that's it. The easiest the better. Except they are rarely given that option, and have to work to even get sex, so they "want relationships". Make no mistake, guys primarily care about sex, caring about a person is secondary. For fuck's sake there are men fucking goats out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 02:29 PM
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Why are you assuming men don't want relationships? Men primarily want sex. Like 90% of guys would be okay with "no relationships until you're 35, but you get easy access to sex with no commitment". But of course the men to whom life offers such a choice are extremely rare. Famous people who travel a lot basically. If you stay at one place most women will want commitment from you because it's possible, and avoiding that commitment is psychologically taxing and can be mean after some point. So rel…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 02:25 PM
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If you're a rational thinker, you'll understand that personal experience is not significant evidence. This is exactly the opposite of what rational thinkers do. Induction and observing your environment is useful. Attractiveness is subjective What does this even mean? People largely agree on who is attractive and who isn't. There is some space for niches: you can disagree with someone over which 9/10 girl is more attractive but you won't think either is a 5. Just because variation exists doesn't …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 02:04 PM
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Sorry but given the amount of larpers here I literally don't believe you:) And even if it was true it would be extremely ridiculous to think it would generalize to the average guy. Chad might have it that easy but not if he just says "want some fuk", at least with the vast majority of girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 01:57 PM
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What do you mean by "following the rules"? Could you give any examples? You know how in clubs there are really pushy guys who will try anything with any woman there? Even if they'll have some success statistically, it's a minor strategy for a reason: girls know about it and punish it somewhat. But in recent times there's an even more prevalent reverse problem: guys who are simply not confident enough to try anything. All the talk about how you must get explicit permission for anything you want t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 01:24 PM
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I'm not so sure. I mean it might be possible if you're a hot dude and the girl isn't, it would certainly be easier. But there's a price you pay for your convenience (more rejection, less hot girls). Hot girls who are okay with guys that cannot dance the dance are simply rare. Getting a confident and emotionally intelligent guy is what women want, on average, no way around that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 01:15 PM
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Some of us were conditioned by literally everyone around us. Don't be a dick like that. It's super-hard to go against such ingrained, socially-enforced norms, don't let the "common sense" of the genders being unequal fool you into thinking otherwise. Sure it's common sense once you consciously acknowledge it and realize what a huge complex of opinions that aren't true you hold. But that acknowledgement is hard because every inch you push is against social norms.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 10:48 AM
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Maybe it's also a luxury belief thing - people want to signal they can afford to be naive and generous even if they can't really. Great thinking! This rings very true.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 10:21 AM
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I don't need to judge someone, I need an accurate picture of the world. For example, I used to be a blooper and I would firmly believe that women want sex just as much as men. Certainly, they shouldn't be shamed if they do, and certainly some women really do. But it is still a very inaccurate picture of the world that will be wrong most of the time and will lead you to other wrong opinions and behaviors that do not make sense. Another example is that women and men have similar interests or modes…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 10:14 AM
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No. It's not malicious, it's a shit-test. You're supposed to both unconditionally shame guys who touch women without asking and know when it's OK to establish light physical contact without asking and be confident enough to do it. You're supposed to expouse sexually liberal views but not get pumped and dumped yourself. You're supposed to agree that women and men are the same and want the same things but be ready to act completely differently on dates and especially in bed. Most importantly you'r…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 10:00 AM
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Whoops sorry
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/20 11:41 PM
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I started reading FDS yesterday and realized I'm pretty much exactly the type of guy it's meant to filter out. Immature, won't commit, thinks sex is easy to get (doesn't value it). And I also realized that this is a rational choice for pretty much all women, and it would work on me. (The more practical stuff, thankfully I'm in my early twenties so no one expected me to cash up lmao.) As honest advice: girls, take it with a grain of salt, but so many of you need to hear that shit. It would be eas…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/20 05:35 PM
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This reminds me I need to move to literally anywhere else because I'm a giant compared to your standards lmao. But from a country with one of the highest averages so I'm just normal lol, not considered tall
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/20 12:19 AM
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Weird. But if you're upfront with it, it is ultimately their fault if they mistakenly think they'll change you I guess. Waiting for marriage right? Also do you like not do anything for them sexually or is it just no penetration?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/20 12:06 AM
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Wait you don't have sex with people you're with?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 11:53 PM
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I think I got your point. Maybe my tone comes off as too argumentative, but I really do agree with you in the sense that this is a reasonable expectation and only fair in a free society of our type. Men, collectively speaking, aren't doing the best they can to make sex better for women. However I disagree with you in the following sense. Most guys started masturbating on a daily basis from a very early age. And through puberty, this need and urgency increases even more--some guys do it several t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 11:17 PM
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Hard disagree. Also know that all I'm about to say, you can verify by googling the relevant research (just type in "male female sex drive differences" and look for a review article). Women want and crave sex, and of course can feel good during sex. That is true by itself. But what I'm getting at is that men flat-out crave sex in itself more. Women genuinely do not comprehend how sex and craving it feels like to men. And men frequently also project their own modes of desire onto women. It's reall…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 09:36 PM
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Well, I wish you best of luck!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 08:49 PM
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Oh yeah I totally get you. Personally I've made the decision that I won't pursue sex until I can fit these minimal and reasonable requirements from my end. I don't want to waste girls' time. It just took me too long to figure this out, it didn't help that I am kinda attractive and nice to be around otherwise, so plenty of girls would still go for it and I didn't learn. Looking back at some rejections is really hilarious now: I was confused back then but they obviously just had more experience an…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 08:47 PM
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Have you considered the role of your own actions and taken accountability for it? As you can tell from my post, I have. I just have some grievances. No reason to only blame myself when it's not only my fault. Do you escalate the sexuality and turn her on? Yeah, but this is much easier to do with some girls than with others. And what I get out of it really varies. For example my ex was quite into the sex but was an extreme example of the stiffness and non-reciprocity I was describing. Sometimes I…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 07:48 PM
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In what way though? I'm genuinely asking, not doubting you, btw. I want to know because what you're describing (just sex) is basically what I'm after (although I've already kinda given up on that, it was the result of a ridiculous belief that girls like you are common). Do they like, lie about being good in bed? Do you ask stuff like that or do they start boasting about their performance and then underdeliver? I also find it weird because many, many single guys (yes even very hot ones) wouldn't …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 07:40 PM
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Interesting, what are they all lying so much about that it's such a big issue for you? If you're clear that you won't be making them commit and that sex is still on the table despite that, I don't possibly see an issue. I basically don't understand how it's possible to get a 'trickster' filtering like you do. I mean maybe they're tricksters but they'd be tricking the women who actually want commitment from them, not you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 06:46 PM
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Since we're effectively anonymous here and I have no reason to lie: yeah I'm one of the selfish guys. The cause on my part is basically my lack of confidence, and laziness. There's some blame on the female side too though, often rooted in similar issues. However I still believe that sex is a highly 'gender roles'-based thing, or at least that's how most people want it to be, and those girls are failing in their roles much less then I am in mine. I've had great sex only with girls who already kne…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 06:30 PM
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What?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 03:07 PM
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All the research ever done on the vast, vast difference in sex drive between men and women is literally one google away. I get that women have a much harder time seeing that it exists, because men being open about their urges would be fucking insane on a social level. So we suppress it, and women don't really have to think much about it. At some point they learn a bit about the male sex drive but still on a superficial level where they can still think "men and women are roughly the same in this …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 02:05 PM
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Never gonna happen. As bluntly as possible if you think women feel as good as you during sex and while fantasizing about it, you're deluded. On a most basic level possible it does not have equal value to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 01:56 PM
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This sounds like something a good parent would say and in the process set up their son with some really unrealistic expectations. Women and men want different things for each other. If women desired sex for the sake of sex in equal measure to men, the world would be a much different place. Yeah some men enjoy committing themselves. At some point, to someone. But almost all men would very much choose easily available sex without committment in the meantime, and I'd wager a large amount would stic…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 01:20 PM
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Fuck I have to move to america if the competition is that fucked:D
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 10:53 AM
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No it wouldn't. It's because of competition. The guys who can choose at 45, like actors, sleep with lower 20s for a reason. Almost all men would if they could. Can't believe this is seriouly being discussed lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 10:49 AM
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Seriously asking
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 07:20 AM
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Yeah once I find a new girl I'll definitely reconsider my approach. But before that I really gotta change as a person and stop being so insecure. Thankfully I don't plan on having sex in the next few years anyway lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 10:00 PM
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Me: what an exciting idea let me think about this thoroughly My brain: you dumb fuck you're to scared to even butt slap a girl during sex ;_;
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 09:46 PM
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Correct. Just don't act like it's not a tonne of work, especially for us less social types. I can barely handle one woman around.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 09:32 PM
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The safe word as the ultimate shit test What do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 09:26 PM
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As I said in another comment: I would love to dominate, but I can't. I've never felt secure enough to pull it off. I have fantasies about it but one of my exes who wanted this literally let out a short laugh when I tried spanking her. After that, never again. Kind of sucks because it seems like I'm one of the few guys here who'd actually enjoy this more 'active' sex and throwing the girl around a bit and so on, but my weak character simply won't let me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 09:24 PM
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What do you mean? Genuinely curious. It's about how she thinks men like dominating? Other than that I don't really see anything objectionable in her post.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 09:15 PM
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Something that definitely doesn't interest most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 09:12 PM
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I think I would like doing this if I could do it. If I was like super-confident, it would be an all-around benefit, and I definitely have fantasies that involve it. The problem is that I'm not confident and I do not want to expose myself like that. If there's a chance she'll laugh at me for a light butt-slap, there really is no point in considering it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 09:03 PM
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and will have non-committal sex with Who will she have non-committal sex with? How often do you think women wake up grinding their teeth for some of that random dick? Or dick from long-time friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 07:29 PM
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Yes congratulation on discovering statistical reasoning.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 07:28 PM
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Yeah, I get you. My experience has been the literal opposite every time: praying to fall off her map. I wish this emotional security kind of thing meant something to me because then relationships would probably make more sense. This way, the only thing I'm getting out is sex, and it just ain't fucking worth it any way you look at it. Not trying to say any of those women were bad or something like that. This is completely a me problem. They can't give me something, but they can give it to most ot…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 07:20 PM
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Ah yeah right that's so easy to accomplish. Pfft just go out and pick one out of the sea of women who are totally down for casual sex with no consequences and commitments. Why didn't I think of that earlier?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 06:13 PM
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Lmao no. Most men would absolutely fuck a 4/10 provided there were no consequences, like the expectation to show affection in public and so on. For men, the primary purpose of sex is the sex itself. Some men fuck goats, for fuck's sake.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 04:01 PM
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Lmao no
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 03:43 PM
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I've had one "real and official" relationship, and a lot of "dating for a couple of months" things. I don't know which is worse, because in the second case the girl was almost always strongly pushing to relationship, and I was in a perpetual state of panic over how to end this in the least painful way possible. Hint: there isn't one. Women can be just as intelligent and accomplished, but the tired trope of them being "more guided by their feelings" (in certain contexts) is fucking true. When she…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 02:40 PM
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Please describe A girl I met at a party once straight-up messaged me about how she's very horny and just wants to fuck and that's it. It was in early college so I was even more naive back then. My reaction was: "awesome!" and "yeah okay this is normal this is what my liberal parents taught me about, a consequence of both men and women being equally free and having the exact same set of desires" The reality? The second time we had sex she started crying about how she wants a relationship and how …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 02:25 PM
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you don't like having someone send you flirty texts because they're thinking of you? If we just look at that single event in isolation, sure, who wouldn't like that? But personally, and I'm not saying most men are like this, I usually don't like the whole situation, simply because I know that the girl is looking for commitment in 10/10 cases that happened to me, and that's the part that I can't deal with. You don't enjoy coming home to someone you love after a long day? No. Absolutely not. I wan…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 02:05 PM
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I'm not like the guy you're replying to, he's clearly very jaded and likes to say things in the most inflammatory way imaginable. I don't like the transactional language because it implies some kind of intentional, scheming behavior. That's why he comes off as a misogynistic asshole. Men and women don't sit down at some point of their lives with a sheet of paper to calculate their options. It's just the way genders and society are structured, it's the best default option given our inherent desir…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 01:30 PM
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I think everyone misread me. Lifting wouldn't help me I think. I have no trouble getting with girls. I have a problem with them staying with me afterwards. I would rather forego sex than stay in a relationship or "friends with benefits" (which turns out is usually a relationship with more stress). I thought if women wanted sex just as much as I do it shouldn't be any problem to just do that but without hanging out and talking and obligations afterwards? Turns out I'm the biggest naive idiot ever…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 01:13 PM
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How many guys sleep with a girl they would never take home to meet mom or even be seen in public with? Given the opportunity? Most of them. Certainly all of my friends. If a 3/10 comes up and says "just use me with zero consequences", why not? But alas that's not how women work. There's no free lunch, even for Chad, unless you steal it (pump and dump), and many guys just won't do that. There's always consequences because women and men don't have sex for the same reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 12:24 PM
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Of all the forced silly arguments I've seen in my short time here, this is the silliest and most forced one yet. Who in their right mind actually has arguments like this? This sub is like a bunch of well-informed aliens pretending to be humans. I feel like home tbh, and entertained, so keep it up
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 12:15 PM
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How do I get blackpilled I read some red pill stuff blogs and such but it's always just rehashing a few of the same evopsych theories on end with really unengaging writing I want the hard stuff. The stuff that will actually have an impact on me while I read it. Not an ad for someone's shitty book masking as a tutorial on how to get laid. Not the ramblings of an illiterate omega male.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 10:38 AM
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Maybe I’ll reply to that next week. But now I want to hear it even more! What now?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 10:12 PM
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attractive and interesting in a socially unacceptable way Like be in a weird subculture, dye my hair, stuff like that? Or do you mean something more directly offputting or something totally different? Sorry for being dense here Sounds like a measured and healthy outlook Yeah but it's mostly because I don't really see other options. I'm not okay with hurting people and I can't deal with that stress again.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 09:58 PM
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I think I'm too much of a beta orbiter to be like that:(
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 09:52 PM
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It's just kind of a weird and overdone thing to say is all
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 09:52 PM
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What does sauced mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 09:46 PM
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I don't think they'd want to fuck me if I "made" myself ugly. Or hot but insufferable Seems way more achievable but I don't think I could pull off faking my personality. Celibacy it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 09:31 PM
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No incentive? We're randos on a pseudonymous internet forum lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 09:30 PM
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Where can I read about this? I feel like I'm a victim of this every time even when I'm explicitly told I won't be
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 09:26 PM
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Holy shit I want to be this guy so bad. How does he do it? How do I become undateable but fuckable, why do women want relationships with me, and how do I make them stop?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 09:25 PM
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Women keep trying to. Based solely on the stuff you can observe through the first few weeks of knowing me, I can see why, honestly. However, if I was an average woman, and if I knew current me's psychology, absolutely not. Because then I would know that the most I'd ever get was a couple of months of nothing, suffering of current me (because I don't fucking want relationships), and an experience of a slowly growing emotional distance.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 09:23 PM
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Lmao yes
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 08:39 PM
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What's a covert contract in this context?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 08:22 PM
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Absolutely. I am literally voluntary celibate at the moment because the last... all the women I slept with so far, tried to do this. I probably don't want a relationship more than other guys, and I probably react to women trying to guilt trip me into one worse. But I fucking guarantee to you that men want sex with like 80% of women, but would only consider a relationship with 20% of them (if they're a good looking guy), and their reaction to women acting towards one (and they almost always do I …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 08:09 PM
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Why in the world would someone go around looking to date\fuck people in whom they have no interest? Because men have an extreme physical compulsion to have sex just for the sake of sex. I'd fuck 90% of women who came up to me and asked me for that. We fuck our hand twice a day in some (rather long) periods of our lives. There's guys fucking goats. Men and women really don't understand each other's sexuality it would seem. I'm not like most men in the sense that I'd rather not have sex at all tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 04:44 PM
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For me this sex is literally the only thing I want. I don't want a relationship, I'd rather not hang out most of the time thanks, I have zero need for intimacy. Won't get that very easily outside of a relationship either, unless you're famous. Turns out that even the girls who explicitly say they just want to be FWB change that pretty quickly and then it turns ugly for both of us. Maybe I'm just not chad enough, but I can't handle the stress of letting people who developed feelings go all the ti…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 04:24 PM
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