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That’s my point, but I worded it poorly
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 06:27 PM
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What?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 03:28 PM
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The lie is most women are overweight. How can you be simultaneously attracted to most women and also just want someone who “isn’t fat”?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 03:21 PM
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Physical attraction is foundational. Romantic partners are people you have sex with.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 03:15 PM
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Yeah, imagine dating someone who you’re both not attracted to and not compatible with. Why would anyone do that?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 03:13 PM
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Youve got it backwards. Women talk about their preferences all the time. Men pretend like they’re attracted to the large majority of women and all they want is someone who “isn’t fat”
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 03:12 PM
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You’re not compatible with everyone you have a good time with. I’ve noticed a lot of men are fine wasting time with women they don’t see a future with. Women are less inclined to do that. They’d rather just move on, especially if their goal is to find their person
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 01:40 PM
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If nearly every man experienced waterboarding at some point in their life I’d very much agree that we had a culture of waterboarding.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 04:56 PM
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Reality = Nearly every single woman experiences sexual harassment or assault in her lifetime. You = No culture of rape, doesn’t exist Cool chat
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 04:12 PM
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You are using male victims as a prop to invalidate the experiences of women, I couldn’t imagine stooping that low.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 03:56 PM
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wat
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 03:53 PM
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Oh, you think centuries of rape culture happened because of recent online discourse about nice guys. That makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 01:34 PM
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Do you care about male sexual assault any other time in your life or only when arguing on the internet
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 05:39 AM
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Is there some other gender that perpetuates violence against women that I’m not considering
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 05:38 AM
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Not all men, but men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 01:02 AM
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It was in response to decades of telling women not to dress provocatively, not to walk home alone at night, not to talk to strange men, not to do this, not to do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 01:01 AM
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How, exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 01:00 AM
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The #MeToo movement resonated because almost all women have had boundary pushing/abusive/sexual harassment/sexual assault situations with regular men. It is incredibly normalized. Ask every single woman in your life if some otherwise regular, unassuming man has sexually harassed her, pushed her boundaries, or worse, and she will tell you yes. This was not "moral panic"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 12:58 AM
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That earning gap does exist, but it's closing. As of 2022, 45% of marriages were egalitarian or had wives as the sole/primary earner. Amicable divorces are also more common. Fault-based divorce is still allowed in 30+ states, so if a man wants to argue marital duties were abandoned in some capacity, he could do so and that would affect the outcome of the divorce proceedings. Income and property obtained during the marriage are considered marital assets, this is true. A couple thoughts - agreemen…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 02:55 PM
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free toothpaste and rinse from the dental assistant They give those free samples to everyone
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 09:28 PM
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More rejection 😃
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 09:27 PM
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Stop showing up like the safe guy then :)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 08:34 PM
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Do elaborate on what you mean
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 07:36 PM
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You’re committed to being miserable and helpless, so I’m going to let you enjoy that life.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 05:31 PM
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Therein lies the issue with playing life like a numbers game. When you have a take-what-you-can mentality, you end up in situations that suck. When you value agency over helplessness, self-respect over desperation, you find better alignment with others. There is nothing even remotely attractive about someone who takes whatever comes their way. The key part that you’re missing about finding joy in being single is that WITHIN THAT SOLITUDE is where you build the self-respect and resolve to find a …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 05:04 PM
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Then get divorced. People are too comfortable being miserable
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 04:23 PM
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I think I’m misunderstanding because it seems so blatantly obvious. Of course you want to date someone who is attracted to you. Of course you wouldn’t want to date someone who thinks you’re boring and undesirable. Why is this even a gendered conversation? No body wants that
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 02:36 AM
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Yeah if someone treats sex with you like a chore you don’t marry them
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 02:11 AM
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Are you the safe and boring option though? If those are your actual immutable characteristics, why do you expect other people to treat you like a desire inspiring sex god? That’s the part I’m having trouble understanding
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 01:03 AM
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If that’s the implication, are you insinuating you don’t inspire sexiness and fun in your relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 09:58 PM
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That literally goes without saying. How are the children getting on earth if your wives don’t want to sleep with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 07:46 PM
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At some point, guys have to take agency over their own lives. Don’t end up in relationships with women who don’t like you. How hard is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 07:45 PM
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She’s done having fun = she’s done lacking seriousness and intention with relationships, maybe? Because I doubt someone means “that’s it! I don’t want to experience any joy or sex ever again. Let me find a human being to subject that to.” I’m fairly certain most people aspire for enjoyable partnerships, including sex and fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 07:42 PM
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I don’t get what you mean
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 05:49 PM
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Why do you think someone is incapable of having fun with you too? Are you not fun?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 05:43 PM
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He wont get good treatment. Having a longterm partner who builds a life with you and births your children isn’t good treatment?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 05:42 PM
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So, you want a girl that fucks guys right after meeting them? But she also has to be low n count? But she breaks the rules for you because you’re so irresistible? Is that it? That’s another Chad fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 01:26 PM
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There is nothing inherently wrong about wanting to be desired by a romantic partner. But that’s not what’s happening here. This post, and the ones like it, focus primarily on women and how fast they must have slept with a mythical Chad. Even if this information isn’t true, even if the chick has never slept with anyone but longterm boyfriends, OP will assume because she hasn’t slept with him after one date she doesn’t find him desirable because she clearly slept with a Chad quicker in the past. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 04:51 PM
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That’s not 50/50 in all regards because earning money at a job is not equivalent and doesn’t carry the same risks.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 07:29 PM
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I trust the only time you care about sexism is when you’re weaponizing it in an argument. The point is relationships can’t be 50/50 in all regards, I’m sorry that is so deeply destabilizing for you. Hope it resolves <3
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 03:29 PM
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Are you okay? Because no one said that either. You are literally imaging things to overreact about. Take a break
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 02:25 PM
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What are you even talking about
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 02:16 PM
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Men can now carry and birth babies?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 02:10 PM
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Thank you, I’m very passionate about validating chemistry because it has gotten a bad rep over the past few years due to pop psychology tiktok nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 05:20 PM
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you know men also gain weight when they get older, and develop ED, and lose their attractiveness, and have hormonal changes that effect their sex drive. It’s not solely the fault of women
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 05:10 PM
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Dead bedrooms is evidence of attraction that changes due to relationship issues. People have unique mechanisms for desire and everyone responds to stress, debt, child rearing, hormonal changes, etc differently. It’s up to those adults to figure out the problem and change it or leave the relationship. Being complacent in misery is the worst choice
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 04:51 PM
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Men like porn, I’ve heard.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 04:44 PM
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Chemistry is both a science and a term used to describe a phenomenon that occurs between two people. Don’t be obtuse
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 04:44 PM
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So really we’re looking at 2 percent of guys that get 90 percent of girls . Considering 60% of adult men 30 and above are partnered and/or married your math doesn’t check out… at all. Not even in the slightest.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 03:54 PM
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Chemistry is not a mystical concept and it goes beyond physical attractiveness. It encompasses a fluidity of conversation, emotional attunement, a sense of familiarity, and an ease of connection. It’s not just “oh, she’s attractive.” You can walk up to an attractive person, find them attractive, and have zero chemistry.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 03:52 PM
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You putting a height in your profile that isn’t true isn’t a lie?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 02:15 PM
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Romantic connections need attraction and chemistry to begin. If you’re choosing a life partner, you’re choosing someone you’re drawn to. You can’t just pair up two strangers with “good qualities” like they’re co-workers and expect them to develop an enduring romantic love like a job. Attraction and chemistry come first. Other qualities come later, but that doesn’t mean they don’t matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 02:02 PM
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Couldn't even get a match on tinder until I put my height as 5'11 rather than 5'9". What else do you lie about
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 01:52 PM
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I would never offer that as an acceptable scenario. That wasn’t my point at all. If you need to be desired at a certain speed, leave when your needs aren’t being met. But don’t pretend like you have actual data about how slowly or quickly any woman you’re dating has slept with people over the course of her lifetime, because you absolutely don’t. It isn’t about her, it’s about your sensitivity to feeling inferior
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 08:37 PM
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If you assume every woman on earth met someone more desirable than you at some point in time, it’s no longer about the woman. It’s all about your inferiority complex. If your only measure of being treated well is how quickly you access sex, you should lead with sex and stop pretending to be interested in anything else. Sex is what matters most
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 08:28 PM
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Calm down, tiger. How would you know a woman had one night stands? The second actual issue here is the fact that a guy wants to act like harmless, non-threatening boyfriend material when he wants to be treated on par with a quick one night stand. Act the part
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 08:05 PM
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If he buys her a house and pays the bills, I’d say that is providing.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 04:55 PM
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You think they want these types of men because they need them. I’m pretty sure successful women want successful men because they find it attractive, not because they need them to survive (especially if they have their own money). You don’t have to like it or agree with it, people will do whatever makes them happy
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 04:05 PM
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It’s not about wanting to be desired. It’s about wanting to be desired like the idea of some other guy she probably desired more. If a guy goes into every romantic situation with the immediate thought that his partner must have desired someone more than him at some point, is it actually about women or is that about his own inferiority complex?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 04:02 PM
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The majority of my relationships have happened offline so I knew what their teeth looked like beforehand. But I would never go out with someone who didn’t smile in their photos if that was my only representation of them. Online dating is a gamble and it is not worth the risk to find out in person that they have meth mouth or they’re missing half of their teeth. I’m not saying that’s OP’s situation, but that’s the risk he’s asking people to take. It’s similar to someone only taking photos from th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 03:54 PM
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At the core of OP’s post and everyone that thinks like him is the desire to be treated like a Chad and the resentment of being reminded that they aren’t. They pretend it has something to do with a woman’s desire, her past, etc, but the only thing that matters is their ego.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 01:16 PM
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If a woman is not sleeping with you in the same time period as she did with the guys before you, it is because you are not attractive enough nor are you trust worthy enough. AGAIN? Every day with this. Every single day.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 01:11 PM
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Not exactly what I’ve witnessed, but sure doll
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 01:09 PM
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Absolutely. Just ask the guy who isn’t smiling in any of his photos who can’t get a match or date.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 01:04 PM
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I can complain? Or I can't?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 05:47 AM
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But I'm not annoyed with the traditional expectation of virginity because it's not a common expectation. Most adult men would find the presence of virginity an undesirable hindrance at 30+ years old.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 05:37 AM
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Do you think it's possible you're annoyed with these expectations because you don't have them to give? Because plenty of people take pride in being a protector and provider of their partners and families
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 04:52 AM
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You do realize guys provide and spend thousands on engagement rings even for ambitious career women who aren’t virgins, right? There are no rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 04:39 AM
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The problem with his profile, in my opinion, is that he doesn't smile in any of his photos. For any one that has ever dated online, this is a red flag that the person is hiding their smile. I told him that and he said he didn't want to smile with teeth because ... reasons. The same reason he doesn't smile in any of his photos is the same reason why he isn't getting many matches. People don't want to be surprised by terrifying or missing teeth on the first date. It is not worth the gamble. And th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 11:05 PM
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A lot better for you, but its easier for them to just not respond probably.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 10:57 PM
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Just like your eye color and gender is determined by genetics so is your brain structure That’s genuinely not how it works, at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 05:06 AM
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Assertiveness is not a static trait. It is context dependent. It can be honed, refined, improved, and it looks different for everyone. I don't believe personality types are determined at birth. I believe humans have natural dispositions and nurture/early childhood experiences/societal influences decide ones personality. Assertiveness doesn't necessarily need "back up" - I don't think we're talking about the same thing. Being able to say "I appreciate you as a friend, but I don't want to be an em…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 04:09 AM
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Thank you for validating my observations :)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 02:31 PM
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More than one thing can matter at once, in different combinations, to different people. But when I mentioned assertiveness, I meant it in the context of OP removing himself from undesirable situations, not attracting someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 02:24 PM
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It’s not contradictory. If 80% of people find your undesirable traits unattractive, and 20% of people are desperate enough to overlook it, it matters, it’s just not terminal.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 02:22 PM
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Anyone can be assertive. Are you really advocating for people to just be doormats? Really?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 02:18 PM
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I’m not invalidating your opinion, more than one thing can matter at once. Over the past two decades, I’ve witnessed my most confident friends have significantly more male interest than everyone else. I’ve also witnessed my very attractive friends garner interest, but attraction + confidence made the most difference. Just my observation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 02:15 PM
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Confidence is relevant to both sexes. Women who are both confident and attractive are significantly more desirable. Low self-esteem is not attractive in anyone. Women with undesirable traits get attention because there are people desperate enough to give it, not because the traits don’t matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 02:03 PM
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But that wasn’t my observation. I learned that people like attractiveness and confidence before everything else. I’m not pushing the just world fallacy because I explicitly don’t believe it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 01:53 PM
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he ends up being the guy women vent to about other men It’s implied these circumstances are undesirable. If OP tolerated circumstances he did not enjoy for the sake of other people, that’s doormat behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 01:36 PM
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Exactly this. When I was in elementary school, I had a crush on a guy in my class. My parents told me to just be myself and everyone would like me. Literally by the end of elementary school, when I was 10, I learned what people actually like is attractiveness and confidence. At 10 years old, I understood my parents were just trying to make me feel comfortable in my own skin. How do all of these guys grow up with a chip on their shoulder, unable to realize the world had no obligation to give a de…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 01:23 PM
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young guy who was raised believing having a delightful personality Being a pushover with no spine is not a delightful personality. Lacking assertiveness, confidence, and self-esteem is not a delightful personality. Nice-guying everyone to death is not a delightful personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/24 01:15 PM
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Narcissistic meltdown, I don’t even think you know what that means lol You are strangely bothered by the entitled princess thing. Work through it boss
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 05:02 PM
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U ok bro, you seem disproportionately angry compared to the situation at hand
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 04:58 PM
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EVERY DAY ON THIS SUB: Guys are attracted to and will sleep with most women A WOMAN ON THIS SUB: Most guys I meet want to sleep with me YOU: How arrogant! You aren’t that special! lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 04:51 PM
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Someone’s wife or girlfriend has guy friends This entire sub: I don’t like it because most guys probably just want to have sex with her Girl says most guys she knows wants to have sex with her This entire sub: Wow you’re a narcissist! It’s almost parody! Shit is comical
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 04:49 PM
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You’d do life forever with someone you didn’t even like just to not be ‘the last single friend’? That’s not as common as you think it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 11:11 PM
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The average male height is 5’10”, above that is tall and below that is short.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 09:32 PM
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Weird, it seems like you’d have to at least like someone to commit to intertwining your entire life with them… but hey, maybe not
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 09:28 PM
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It’s still the majority.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 09:27 PM
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Uh, yes, me and literally every woman I’ve ever known
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 09:27 PM
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Howare 60+% of men married or engaged after 30 if women only like tall and rich men? Most men aren’t tall and most men aren’t rich
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 09:14 PM
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Was I? You didn’t observe the pretty girls with large groups of friends or the cute guys that everyone liked, even the teachers? This stuff was happening right before our eyes. Surely I wasn’t the only kid gleaning information from it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 01:03 PM
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Women are just shallow. That's it 🫠 Are you saying you date women who aren’t attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 02:39 PM
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Everyone grows up hearing the same thing, both men and women. Just be yourself, just be nice, and others will like you. It’s up to you to use your eyes and ears and decipher the world around you. I remember being “nice” in elementary school and realizing oh, it’s not niceness that people like, it’s attractiveness and confidence. I was 9.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 02:37 PM
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That’s by design of nature. There is no benefit to women finding the majority of men attractive when most women are monogamous and desire to pair off 1:1. It’s not a numbers game.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 02:31 PM
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yes doll
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 03:01 AM
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yes darlin’ exactly
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 02:17 AM
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Let's analyze how we're categorizing success. What happened with those 20?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 12:42 AM
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ba dum tsssssss
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 10:18 PM
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I love when people are shamelessly loud and wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 10:15 PM
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I know some women hate it when men are able to get with younger women than them Not me boss, do whatever you want
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 09:26 PM
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Hahahaha, I’m the wild one and not the guy talking about getting “much younger women” ok boss. He’s going to delete that comment very soon, I bet you
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 08:53 PM
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Do the authorities need to be involved?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 07:39 PM
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At some point it should be considered self-harm
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 07:37 PM
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That’s not a cold approach sir.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 07:34 PM
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If getting a number from someone who is doing anything to get you to go away counts as success then I’m sure you’ve been successful at it
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 06:20 PM
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My first impressions are correct 99% of the time. In the past, I found myself wishing I would have listened to myself sooner about everything - friends, jobs, dates, situations etc. Now I have intense self trust, it always steers me in the right direction.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 05:35 PM
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Sure, cold approach and get rejected 200/200 times. No one is stopping you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 05:12 PM
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Some people aren’t eligible for Invisalign due to the severity of their cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 11:24 PM
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My leftist socialist ex made $200,000/yr. He donated large amounts of that to many causes, was an active member of socialist groups, supported every demonstration and protest in town. Being a socialist does not resign you to poverty. That’s your narrative. Even Karl Marx himself came from a rich family and had resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 01:47 PM
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Good f*cking grief. Average and below average men can be manipulative about sex as well. What on earth is up with you people thinking attractive = evil, bad and unattractive = obviously good.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 12:32 AM
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That’s actually not what I’m suggesting. I’m suggesting that women finding the majority of men attractive would actually be undesirable from the guy’s standpoint due to the male ego. This isn’t about cheating. This is about you knowing that there is nothing special about you, most men are attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 12:16 AM
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‘Marriage material’ wouldn’t feel entitled to sex from a partner that isn’t ready.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 02:24 PM
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women finding so few men attractive is the root of the problem You only end up with one person in the end. Why does a single woman have some obligation to find many men attractive? She’s not trying to be of utility to many men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 04:42 AM
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I don’t believe that to be accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 04:30 AM
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Do you think that’s a common experience for most women? They can get any man they want?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 01:51 AM
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No empathy for your fellow man, none at all
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 01:50 AM
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Ohhh that was your point. Yeah no, every study shows men cheat more than women on average. But I don’t think all men are cheaters, no. She's chosen me. I'm more to her than just her sexual attraction to me. Every guy here seems to think women will just leave when someone better comes along though.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 01:07 AM
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No, not at all. What does that have to do with anything
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 01:02 AM
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The point is most guys aren’t hot. So, once again, would you want your girlfriend or wife to suddenly wake up and find most men sexually desirable?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 01:01 AM
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That’s not what I was asking though. Do you want your wife to magically make up one morning and find 90% of men sexually desirable? Loving the downvotes
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 12:55 AM
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In 2022, men died by suicide 3.85 times more than women. https://afsp.org/suicide-statistics/ Maybe the antidepressants are a good choice (and not something to make fun of)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 12:35 AM
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their sexual market value is declining but their entitlement and expectations for rich, tall, high status and handsome men remains sky high Is your archetypal woman gleaned from Instagram models? Because most women date and marry laterally within social class their entire lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 12:31 AM
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Attraction is a unique phenomenon by design. Do you really want your wife to find 90% of men within a 500 mile radius sexually desirable?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 12:29 AM
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When you have 70yo grandmas with as many options on the dating market as multimillionaire male celebrities, with no male-version of that phenomenon, it's pretty obvious it's not conjecture I actually laughed out loud. Thank you
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 12:20 AM
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I’m not a blue piller. You didn’t say one thing about averages. Your theories about the world aren’t ‘rules’ they’re just conjecture
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 01:31 PM
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What are you actually talking about? I worked for a university
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 01:29 PM
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I’m an actual researcher and I disagree. There have been thousands of studies on sex, dating, and intimacy. The idea that the data is “not possible” to collect is inaccurate. There is the natural inclination to give socially desirable answers. This is why researchers ask different questions in various ways throughout participant interviews… to help them flesh out the meaning in their experiences. Researchers aren’t idiots haphazardly asking questions to random people. There are methodologies tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 05:22 AM
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Don’t worry. You can protect yourself by not listening to the bad advice here and not sleeping with casual strangers. There is genuinely no point. Even if you weren’t a virgin, sleeping with someone who doesn’t like you would not feel great. What incentive do they have to prioritize your pleasure, or comfort, or safety? Absolutely none. It’s not worth it
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 05:05 AM
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Random men out of her league, random friends who are supposed “matches” - you had your own characters and everything
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 05:02 AM
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He came up with an entire fictional storyline
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 03:55 AM
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and plenty of men do actually care about making sure their partner is having a good time even in a casual situation Empirical data disagrees. Men care significantly less about the satisfaction of their sex partner when the situation is casual. Does that sound like a fun time for a woman who is a virgin?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 03:53 AM
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some men will be forced to date them No one is ‘forced’ to date anyone
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 05:02 PM
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It’s amusing that you call me cocky as you sit here thinking you know everything about a faceless stranger on the internet. You overestimate the validity of your own thoughts. I’m not mean because I’m not interested in being pestered by men. And I’m under no obligation to be nice when people invade my personal space.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 02:04 AM
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You’re right, I am entitled… entitled to my own personal space from complete strangers. What a crime
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 12:59 AM
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This isn’t about my personality. I’m not a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 01:29 AM
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I agree, I think it’s gross and exploitative, but also ironic. They resent western women for prioritizing resources and standards when choosing a partner … so they go to a foreign country to find a wife who only wants them for their resources and nothing else. That is their “solution” - someone from a different culture who views them as a meal ticket, the very thing they detest in American women. It’s remarkable.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 10:05 PM
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Good grief, I had no idea. Every time I see a post that women care about passport bros, I’ve always said NO WE DONT. Apparently some do. Yikes
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 07:35 PM
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In a pie chart of reasons why guys cold approach, the potential for a sexual experience takes up the whole thing. Let’s be real
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 07:13 PM
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Fascinating, where exactly did I villainize anyone? he can't get your attention without approaching. Who says I want this person to have my attention?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 06:18 PM
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it could also end up being possibly a great sexual experience This is why cold approaches are so viscerally aggravating. It’s just some random guy gambling on the chance that his awkward disruption of someone’s day might randomly lead to sex. After the 3000th time this happens, you begin to really resent it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 05:58 PM
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Do we? I haven’t seen any medis content about passport bros from women, it’s all from men
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I’m just fascinated with the near pathological obsession certain men have with makeup. There is no demographic that talks about makeup more than guys like you. It’s.. close to resentment, maybe? Envy? This anger that women beautify themselves? Anyways, I don’t have anything to add (like you said) so take care!
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 05:06 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 04:44 AM
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Makeup looks better in photos, so it especially looks better on Instagram. The fact that you think concealing dark circles, filling in eyebrows, and some contouring makes someone “completely different” is sending me. If you can recognize someone with and without makeup they don’t look “completely different” - it’s not a face transplant. Makeup looks nice. Average plain faces are unremarkable. Congratulations, you can see!
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 04:31 AM
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many women are seen as good looking because we temporarily see most women when they are outside and ready to be presentable with makeup on Makeup is not the sorcery y’all think it is. 90% of women aren’t wearing transformation-level makeup on a day to day basis. Makeup accentuates features and beautifies, it does not turn someone into a different person. and seeing her the morning after The unfortunate thing about dating a human woman is sometimes she is done up for a special occasion (for your …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 12:48 AM
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Attracted for sex. You wouldn’t marry, love, commit to every woman you’d happily have sex with.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 02:08 PM
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When guys ask what women bring to the table: the special love you can’t get anywhere else and feel so empty and worthless without
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 02:02 PM
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If you want something from others, you must be willing to inspire it. You cannot demand genuine desire or feel entitled to it, it will never come.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 01:58 PM
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The large majority of strangers aren’t interested in other strangers. Go up to a random guy and he won’t want to be your friend, either. Most of the “interest” men have in women is wanting sex from them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 01:57 PM
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This sounds a little reminiscent of the Elliot Rodger manifesto. Are you okay?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 01:52 PM
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End casual sex!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 01:49 PM
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If your partner is not extremely physically attractive to you, to the point where you can't keep your hands off them, you shouldn't be dating them. Agreed. Women should hold out completely until they find an extremely physically attractive partner, otherwise they’re wasting their time
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Looking to fall in love with a dream rather than a person It sounds like she's trying to fall in love with your friend but he's emotionally unavailable and dating five other women. Sounds like ... he's the problem. I'm defending against the idea that women are to blame for men dating multiple women at a time. You say that women wouldn't care if they knew the truth, so why don't most men lead with the truth? Why does every city have an Are We Dating The Same Guy page? Personally, I've never been …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 07:53 PM
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You cannot rework the definition of lying by omission. If he is willfully concealing other relationships because he knows the truth will change the situation it is lying. Why are you going to bat for this hypothetical person in the wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 06:15 PM
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Did you just call me a bitch? Are you okay?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 06:12 PM
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Right, that’s why there are Facebook groups dedicated to uncovering deceitful men because women know and want that experience. Take a break
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 06:11 PM
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Hmm, let’s see. A woman is dating multiple people with the intent of finding a longterm partner. She finds someone she likes, they eventually become exclusive and she stops dating everyone else. That’s how most modern dating goes. In the rotation scenario, the guy is pretending to already be in relationships with women and leading them on. This goes beyond the casual dating that’s described above, this is willful deceit. In regards to the scenario of the girlfriend dating others and having fwb b…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 06:10 PM
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That isn’t congruent with reality. By 30, most adults are married and/or cohabitating with a partner. And most people date laterally in terms of looks and social status. Most people are regular and dating other regular people. How does the rotation work then? Attractive men of high social status are more likely to be married than any other group of men, and the median age for marriage is 27. Facts over baseless assertions
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 04:05 PM
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Ohhh, you think men pull off ‘rotations’ with unwitting women by being truthful. That’s hilarious. Lying by omission is still lying. If she’s dating you with the assumption she’s only dating you, and you’ve got 5 other girlfriends, you are a liar. I don’t know who ‘y’all’ is. I’ve never been in anyone’s rotation a day in my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 03:56 PM
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You wouldn’t date someone you found ugly but you expect women to. Make it make sense. Most women aren’t in ‘rotations’ - there aren’t enough attractive men on earth to pull that off.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 03:52 PM
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Exactly. The conversation is never about why men are lying and ruining dating for everyone else. The question is why women aren’t superhuman lie detectors and why women won’t date ugly men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 03:50 PM
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Women wouldn’t ‘rather’ be in a rotation. The point here is that they don’t know/they’re being lied to. Question. Would you date or marry someone you found ugly?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 03:48 PM
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Men can work on their visual appeal, most choose not to
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 03:33 PM
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No smoke for the men being deceptive and lying to multiple women. All the contempt for the women who think they’re in a normal relationship but they’re being lied to.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 03:30 PM
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Agreed. Date who is naturally into you and don’t date who isn’t. Guys still hyperfixate on the idea that any random girl they interact with has dated or hooked up with someone she found very attractive. This isn’t unique to women. Men treat women they find very attractive much different than the ones they barely do.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 10:13 PM
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Why do non-Chads feel entitled to a world where they are treated like Chads? Do you know? It’s puzzling.
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I’m not your therapist. I don’t need to validate your feelings as if you’re a child in need of coddling. You can have those expectations within intimate relationships, but to demand a behavior from others you don’t even practice yourself is absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 04:59 PM
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I’m inviting you to explore what it means for random people to show you empathy? What does that look like in application? Because it’s a bizarre thing to fixate on, almost nonsensical. I value empathy highly.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 01:54 PM
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Why do random women owe you empathy
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 01:21 PM
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Just conjecture and nonsense at this point
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 06:08 AM
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A future worth pursuing, what does that even mean? Women work as much as men, go to college as much as men (more actually), and contribute near equally to most households in 2024. What are u talking about
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 04:13 AM
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Sounds like women have what men want (sex) and they even offer mental health services. How nice!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 03:18 AM
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Like men have to earn being sexually desirable, not simply demand it
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 10:25 PM
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If a man is boring how is he amazing?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 10:22 PM
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This is the first post I’ve ever seen where a woman was doing an experiment and not a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 10:21 PM
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Stating facts about this sub and it’s contents constitute as a lack of empathy, are you sure about that? Yes, it’s well known women take better care of their health (including mental health) and thus get help for their depression when they’re sad. Men honestly should do the same. Y’all love this ‘where are all the good men’ line. Are you the good man anyone is seeking?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 01:03 AM
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Aren’t men the one going through a loneliness epidemic and crying here every day about lack of dates, sex, and relationships? I think women are doing alright
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Riiiight, nearly every “What’s your type?” video is women being unapologetic about their preferences and the comments are overwhelmed with rage filled men. Damned if you do and damned if you don’t
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 10:07 PM
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Fascinating
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 05:39 PM
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And you don’t care about looks?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 03:44 PM
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I thought women are openly shallow saying that they want attractive rich 6 ft men? Are women openly shallow or are they lying about what they want? Pick one
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 03:44 PM
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This is exactly why I allow people to pay for dates. Do you want to split 50/50 with a guy for 4-5 dates before realizing he’s the type of person that would expect sex for a burger? Wouldn’t that save you time?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 01:00 AM
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All relationships are.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 12:56 AM
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You think I’m dependent on a guy who bought me a $5 coffee?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 12:56 AM
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I said OP has the One True Definition of Love and he’s guarding it with his life
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 01:24 AM
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Why do I need to engage with men’s issues? Men don’t even engage with men’s issues. How is this my responsibility when it’s not even yours?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 10:08 PM
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At some point, you have to ask yourself if you're seeking out things to be mad at. I'm a woman myself and I hardly ever see any content where women are putting down and belittling men's issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 07:07 PM
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Women are not solely responsible for circumcision. In fact, many men insist that their son’s are circumcised to “match” them. Circumcision is terrible and I’m against it. But I do think men need to lead the charge here, which they are already doing. To think feminists have some obligation to solve the issue of circumcision is so… I don’t even know what to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 05:44 PM
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Why aren’t you upset with your fellow man for not mobilizing efforts to address these issues? Why do you have more anger towards women?
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/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 04:33 AM
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Now go find the study that surveys more than white collar workers
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 02:01 AM
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So the large majority of women are realistic then.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 01:07 AM
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Doesn’t research show that single women are the happiest demographic? And single men are straight up kllng themselves? Don’t worry about me. Please worry about men, a group that actually needs your concern
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 01:02 AM
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And who wants what you’re selling? Any takers?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 12:06 AM
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Exactly. Leonardo is built like someone’s stocky Italian uncle with negative sex appeal, everyone is out of his league, he just has money.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 12:05 AM
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failing to get commitment over and over again Aren’t most adult women already partnered, married, and cohabitating? Why are you worried about random women who aren’t worried about you?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 07:54 PM
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The fact that even fat, ugly, short girls are demanding muscular, handsome, tall guys is a problem (if that is a fact). People can demand whatever they want, that doesn’t actually make it a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 07:53 PM
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Who made these league rules?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 07:52 PM
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How do you know what women can do?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 07:50 PM
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There are people that want to be supported in every aspect of life Why do you care what this hypothetical person wants? Maybe you’re the one that needs to work on your reading comprehension skills
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Why do you care so much about what that hypothetical person wants? They would never be interested in you, you don’t have anything they’d want. You aren’t in danger of ever being a target of them. Why are you so concerned. Please tell us
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 01:15 PM
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Haha, I’m a psychopath because I said people enter into mutually beneficial relationships and leave when they are no longer beneficial.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 01:10 PM
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Most relationships aren't explicitly tit for tat, no. But you are giving yourself, your time, your energy, your attention, because you get something out of work, friends, romantic partners. It's not a 1:1 exchange. I've always found it amusing how people think they're stuck with the same friends/friend group forever. It's possible to meet new people and forge new relationships. I've done it in every new city I've lived in. Nothing "just happens" if you're intentional with meeting people.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 04:36 AM
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Do you think people really wake up and go boy, my partner better be someone who pulls their weight! ❔
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 02:56 AM
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No one needs to explain to you that you have friends for companionship and fun, partners for love, affection, emotional support, a boss/job for employment and a paycheck/career advancement, etc. Relationships of all kinds are transactional by nature. If your boss stopped giving you your paycheck, you’d no longer go. If your partner gave you no support, love, or affection, you’d probably break up. If your friends weren’t fun and not comrades, you probably wouldn’t have a friendship with them in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 02:50 AM
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Lots of guys choose to put relationships on a back burner in their 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 09:36 PM
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I think OPs point is men still talk about 80/20 to this very day, every day, in reference to women’s preferences. It’s nice to see so many men admit how bullshit it actually is, which I think was their point. Low level trolling sure, but this post is doing exactly what OP wanted it to
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All relationships are transactional
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 02:24 PM
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But that’s the natural conclusion of the 80/20 rule. Most men are unattractive to women and there’s not enough attractive men to go around
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 02:23 PM
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It’s not that women are magically more valuable In her hypothetical, the guy is unattractive with limited options. Start there
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 02:20 PM
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You show interest in people and they try to relate to you with their own human experience, how terrible
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 02:06 AM
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I tried to validate part of your critique about women’s advice by saying part of it is true and you’re going to criticize me for talking about myself. That’s the last time I try to throw y’all vagabonds a bone. A guy that can’t stop talking about himself is so common that it’s a cultural meme, but go off king!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 10:44 PM
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If another person has to tell you that you’re fat, unstylish, have a shitty haircut, etc then you’re already hopeless. That’s a broad generalization of the advice women would give. I don’t think it’s accurate, although I do love guys with long hair.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 10:03 PM
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Women give awful dating advice and men don’t?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 07:35 PM
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Bro, if you don’t want to take dating advice from women then don’t. No one is forcing you to. Women are allowed to have their perspective on dating and relationships just like men are. We’re not going to stop talking because you don’t think we give valuable advice. Take advice from men then.
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/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 06:42 AM
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Your inbox is filled with 1000 likes. Are you supposed to date them all? Sleep with them all? Message them all? What on earth is the average woman even supposed to do with that?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 06:38 AM
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And what group is shamelessly throwing matches at any and everyone they can
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 06:33 AM
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The idea that men will date any woman, even if she had 12 kids, is absurd
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 02:13 AM
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So a random woman can point at you and say “we’re dating, tough shit” and you’ll just comply? Even if she’s a terrible person, unattractive, a nazi, and 12 kids? You have no agency in this situation?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 01:23 AM
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The comment says relationship effort will be 70-30. I said they don’t have to date people like that. Your reply doesn’t make sense. You’re essentially saying “don’t want to date a woman that doesn’t put effort in? Make your own woman from scratch” and that is absolutely ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 03:29 PM
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You’re so right. Men have no agency whatsoever. Men are weak, powerless, waiting to be chosen. My bad
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It’s not demeaning unless you’re married to the idea of being powerless. Have you ever asked anyone out before? Typically two people would have chemistry, interest in each other, chat regularly, potentially even flirt with each other before one person asks the other out. Do you think it’s normal to ask out people you barely know who have shown no interest in you? Women don’t need anything written on their forehead for you to talk to them. It’s called body language and social cues… two things you…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 12:51 AM
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Are catholic priests red pill men?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 09:17 PM
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I didn’t say anything about the playing field or fairness, just that you have agency over your own life. Dating apps are picture based. If you’re not attractive in pictures, you probably won’t be successful. You can still ask coworkers out if the feeling is mutual, otherwise you shouldn’t. Yes, women are allowed to decide if they want men bothering them or not in public.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 09:07 PM
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Asking men to practice discernment in partner selection is asking them to die alone? Seriously? Most adult men end up married or partnered longterm. People find who they are supposed to be with eventually. Or relationships that work for a period of time until they don’t anymore. Unless you’re hell bent on being miserable and alone thinking that, out of billions of people, there’s not one person that’s suitable for you. Sounds ridiculous
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 08:57 PM
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Everyone spends time searching for the right person. But it’s not like winning the lottery because most adults are in relationships while most adults don’t win the lottery. But I see what you’re trying to convey.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 08:34 PM
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Are you equating consensual mutual romantic relationships with winning the lottery? What an asinine assertion. One thing you actually do have control over, the other one you don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 08:19 PM
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Lack of attention from their partners?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 07:54 PM
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You’re right. You are powerless and you don’t have any agency over your own life. No one is coming to save you. Best of luck out there
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 07:52 PM
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I mean this politely - I wasn’t replying to you, I was replying in support of another person’s comment that mentioned equivalencies.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 07:45 PM
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You have agency over your own life. You choose the relationships you enter, the partners you have, and the effort you put in. You don’t have to do anything you don’t want to. Try finding a suitable likeminded partner instead of thinking you are powerless over the situation you end up in Edit: Fine, you all have no control over your own lives and you are destined to be in unhappy relationships. Sorry for even mentioning the idea of agency to a bunch of people in love with their victimhood and mis…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 07:40 PM
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Of course you can, but it doesn’t make sense to draw false equivalencies.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 07:37 PM
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High social status in a low SES environment isn’t much to write home about
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 07:35 PM
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I don’t follow you
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 07:15 PM
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accomplish things and be exceptional Don’t you guys complain every single day about worthless jobless men still getting sex and relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 07:12 PM
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Don’t forget the murders and manifestos.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 07:07 PM
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That’s not an accurate portrayal of first wave feminism. Women weren’t concerned with placating the egos of men during the movement, they were literally fighting, being abused, and going to jail for rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 07:07 PM
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So my point is hobbies are absolutely worthless in dating. Your one singular experience equates to hobbies being absolutely worthless in dating? The reason people suggest hobbies are to 1) hone your social skills, 2) expand your social circle, 3) make you a more interesting and well rounded individual. No one wants to date someone who doesn’t know how to be around people and has no interests whatsoever. Not every bit of advice is meant to be a cheat code to instant sex access from every person y…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 06:13 PM
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Are you sure? Having standards and conditions for romantic relationships is … normal. A guy wouldn’t commit to a woman he found unattractive. A woman wouldn’t commit to a man she found lacking. Love isn’t charity on either side. Children are who you care for unconditionally. Romantic relationships are deliberate intentional pairings.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 03:03 PM
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You date men?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 05:03 AM
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I’ve formed my opinion from witnessing the drive in so many people over two decades. I’ve also seen the exact opposite. Humans come in all configurations. But, I respect your disagreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 04:46 AM
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Honestly, it seems like unfulfilling relationships are more routine than fulfilling ones. People come together and break apart more than they end up together permanently. But, to your point, I agree. You can’t be with someone for just one thing. I don’t think anyone is though, that seems impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 04:41 AM
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Everything is happening within the culture we’ve always had. I do believe men have some level of innate drive for this, but of course it’s not universal. Just like not all men have high sex drives, or enjoy hookups, or want to be fathers, etc. I don’t think all women or all men are the same, I’m just speaking broadly about a social phenomenon.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 04:27 AM
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It’s not a if the situation were reversed thing because it’s a distinctly masculine trait. Men with resources enjoy giving to the women they love, and those women recognizing their worth. Some random songs of men liking that they have resources and can give it: “Anything you want / Anything the world has to offer / I can give you” — Glenn Danzig “I'ma take her bougie ass to Rodeo and then let her pick up whatever she want” — Bryson Tiller “Call me like the one / The one you've been ignorin' / Pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 03:53 AM
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Can you explain what’s so attractive about dark triad traits?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 11:49 PM
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And the men that do have gold get gratification from being valued for their resources and what they can offer. This is inconceivable to the gold-less because they’ve never been in such a position.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 09:36 PM
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Unless they are developmentally disabled in some way, most adult men have enough cognitive capacity to avoid being manipulated like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 09:33 PM
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I mean this in the nicest way possible - you’re reading way too much into my reply. I’m not insulting you or even arguing with you. Nor do I intend to.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 11:16 PM
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Speak for yourself, I have never engaged in hookups with Chads, or casual sex in general. It has never appealed to me in any way. There is nothing even remotely safe or fun about sleeping with men who don’t like or care for me and the fact that any woman does this with any regularity is beyond bizarre to me. But, what I do know is very attractive men who are solely seeking casual sex exist. And women fall for it. What you’re not being honest about is a lot of these men pretend to be relationship…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 09:49 PM
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What a deal! I'm not a fun guy who's "meant" for short term fun This is a constant conundrum for guys here. You want to have casual hookup sex, but your entire dating strategy is pretending to be a harmless good guy looking for a relationship. You pretend to be one thing, get treated like said thing, then get angry you’re not being treated like a gigachad sex god. Have you inspired desire in anyone? Have you ever been honest about your intentions? No and no.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 04:33 PM
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You’re basing your entire worldview off one interaction
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 04:22 PM
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At least some of you are
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 01:05 AM
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That’s why I have it
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 11:51 PM
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Honestly, men are partially responsible for OLD sucking for men. Swiping right on nearly all women indiscriminately? Making fake profiles for experiments? Making profiles pretending to be women in order to scam your fellow brethren? Nasty work
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 11:34 PM
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Keep convos on the app until you've actually met them. That way, you can report them and protect other ladies from bad actors.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 10:11 PM
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I've made the exact same observation. Every single day I see a post or comment from some guy who created a woman's profile. Men are so disillusioned with dating apps and it's all because they're catfishing and ghosting each other 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 10:10 PM
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If every time this woman stepped outside, she overheard people saying stuff like 'ew look how ugly she is' it would definitely have an effect on her self esteem. Do you think this happens to anyone with any regularity? Genuinely? Just because you dated less successful men when you were younger doesn't mean you didn't have greater potential to date even more successful men that you do now You're missing the point where I say the people I date now have nothing in common with 20 year olds. People e…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 07:54 AM
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You talk about SMV as if I exist as a product men actually get to weigh in on and add/take away value from. I don't exist to you, I don't exist to 99.999999999% of the male population. The overwhelming majority of men have absolutely no concept of me, no influence on my perceived value, and no influence on my romantic relationships. Not even in the slightest amount. and 99% of men are going to find a woman hotter when she is 22 year old than at 40. And the only man that matters in this hypotheti…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 07:05 AM
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The 80/20 rule is an extrapolation from terribly misquoted and misunderstood Okcupid data from the mid 2000s. By 30, most men are married or partnered. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2020/08/20/a-profile-of-single-americans/
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 12:53 AM
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So, you’re 35 years old and you want to have date nights on frat row, playing beer pong, and eating at a dining hall with your 20 year old girlfriend and her 20 year old friends? Really?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 12:40 AM
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Are the women guys like at 20 the same women guys like at 35?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 11:55 PM
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I don’t agree with it, that’s red pill ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 11:43 PM
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I thought the only men successful with multiple women were the top 20% of men though
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 11:18 PM
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Be honest with yourself, are there any women actually trying to trap you into being a husband and father right now? Any at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 09:35 PM
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95% of men are being disqualified from any kind of relationship with a non obese chick & that’s really the crux of this. Bro, 60-65% of adult men are literally partnered or married. What are you talking about
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 09:33 PM
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Do you think this principle applies to men at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 07:22 PM
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I understand the principle and appreciate the explanation. Recent data shows nearly 70% of women are married or partnered. How ‘fried’ can their preceptors be if they still end up in committed relationships? The idea that large groups of women are sharing a few attractive men isn’t an accurate representation of the majority. There is certainly a subset of casually sexually active individuals, but this is not the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 07:08 PM
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Is there any data to suggest this principle applies to human relationships? Has it been studied as such?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 06:39 PM
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Is there even a shred of scientific data to support your second paragraph? Because it sounds like wild conjecture, at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 04:21 PM
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It only takes 1 person.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 05:19 PM
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I’m responding to your pretend comment by saying you don’t have to pretend. Relationships end, it’s part of life. Who is saying you have to pretend?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 05:15 PM
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Sounds like you’re smart enough to know how to protect your assets so it’s not a terrible financial deal. Maybe you can also marry someone who out earns you, has more resources? Your dating pool, which I’m imaging is between 25 - 54, has labor force participation of ~75%. For the nation as a whole, the labor force participation rate for women was 56.8 percent in 2022. The age groups of 25 to 34 years, 35 to 44 years, and 45 to 54 years all had participation rates above 75.0 percent, with 25 to 3…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 05:07 PM
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There’s different types of love. Romantic love can last forever even if a couple splits. Not every relationship is meant to be eternal, and sometimes things end. That doesn’t mean love isn’t a worthy pursuit, even marriage. It’s okay to be hopeful during the one single solitary life you’re given on earth. It’s also okay to avoid love if that’s what keeps you safe and happy. Do whatever you want
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 04:55 PM
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Most men don’t have any assets to be financially destroyed over marriage and most women work. Do you, yourself, have any assets anyone could take from you if you got divorced tomorrrow?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 04:53 PM
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Marriage signals status for men in most careers and professions, not just presidential office. That’s fair that weddings gross you out. I know of guys that have fun at weddings and had fun at their own, even. Re: cultural relativism, god forbid someone compare their beliefs to other customs
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 04:52 PM
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I’m sad to hear you don’t think you can find a partner that will love you forever. That must feel crummy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 04:06 PM
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A woman wants to call the man she loves her husband, oh the horror
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 03:52 PM
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Weddings are a blast, they’re a celebration of love, who wouldn’t want to do that with the love of their life? Also, men gain significant status from having wives as well. Has there ever been a single president? Men and women alike would find even the thought of that unsettling. Marriage represents responsibility, conformity, commitment, not all of those necessarily positives. Marriage is a cultural thing that many people choose to participate in, or don’t. And it’s funny you say women are livin…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 03:51 PM
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What is contained in the sexual market value calculation and who determines it? Would it be conceivable that different men value different things in women, thus I may have a different score depending on who I come across? Someone may be aligned with everything I have to offer and think I’m a 9, someone may find me unattractive, overeducated, too politically incompatible, and rate me a 4. Who do you think matters more in this equation? The man that doesn’t value me or the man that does? SMV is a …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 09:07 AM
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The threat of plummeting SMV hinges on the idea that being sexually desirable to as many men as humanly possible is a woman’s goal. It’s quality, not quantity, and as I’ve gotten older the quality of my romantic partners + interactions have gone up significantly. Am I being preyed upon like 20 year old college girls? No. Do I want to be? No. Everyone wins
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/24 02:04 AM
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I think this entire premise is wrong. I “settled” in my teens and 20s when I didn’t know any better. My preferences are more refined and stringent than ever before and I think most women are like this. We don’t become lax and tolerate more bullshit as we get older. It’s the exact opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 06:46 PM
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I’m letting you know I’m more open to chatting with people at an actual social event and less inclined to at the grocery store while I’m buying pads. Do with that what you will
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 01:05 AM
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What's the main goal? Dates, hookups, girlfriend, wife?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 09:42 PM
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You'd be happy to date emotionally disturbed women who bareback horsefaced meth heads. Think about this again nephew.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 08:37 PM
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You again. Has it worked for you so far?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 07:39 PM
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Height aside, is this guy physically attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 06:38 PM
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A meth head has options, are all options good options? Because who would date a meth head and do you think that’s someone you’d want to date?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 04:27 PM
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You’re being pedantic. “The fact that” is a colloquial term, I’m clearly expressing my personal thoughts and opinions. I’m not sure if you’re genuinely curious, I think you’re replying in bad faith. However, social gatherings are inherently social. Interaction with strangers is anticipated. Most people would feel more comfortable talking to a stranger at a funeral vs someone randomly approaching them at a street corner or bus stop. Again, just thoughts.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 01:38 PM
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And you consume it because it supports your worldview, got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 01:12 PM
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It’s weird how you consume this particular content and I’ve never even seen it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 12:38 PM
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Most people aren’t attracted to or compatible with most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 12:37 PM
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You’re so close to getting the fact that socially appropriate circumstances make chatting with strangers ideal! So close!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 12:33 PM
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Who is doing any of that?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 12:31 PM
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By all means, continue unsuccessfully approaching strangers and getting rejected by a method that doesn’t work for you. No one is stopping you
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 12:26 PM
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What type of women were dating the meth dealer that impregnated 11 (🙄) people? And would you want to date them yourself?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 12:10 PM
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Championed? Championed? Women get flamed every single day on Reddit for their preferences. Where have you been
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 02:32 PM
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I guess women are visual creatures!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 02:29 PM
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How else in the world would they have gathered this information?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 04:34 PM
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How do I not understand?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 08:21 PM
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A small subset? In my decades of dating experience, I’ve watched the mask drop so many times that I know waiting to be foolproof. I know there’s some hopeful revenge fantasy that a guy will slip through the cracks, pretend to be a good guy, get the goods, and split, but it never happens that way. I’m sorry to disappoint. Most men are not the masterful manipulators they think they are, and men who only want sex are impatient and pushy. I also see the idea that a high value man will leave if he is…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 06:42 PM
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Lmfao, someone took practical argument 101 at their community college and now they’re antagonizing the internet trying to feel intellectually superior. Good grief
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 04:05 PM
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Why do you think you need to explain what boundaries are to me? And why do you keep insisting connection must mean a ‘lack of boundaries’? No one has said that. You can feel comfortable with someone and still have boundaries and self respect. It’s not an either/or situation. I think you’re hellbent on conflating connection with a lack of boundaries for some reason, it’s odd.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 03:53 PM
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I’m not entirely sure what you’re advising. I’m stating this isn’t a matter of boundaries, but connection. I do appreciate the life lesson, but I can assure you I have solid boundaries.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 03:27 PM
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Inconsistent boundaries? Chemistry and attraction vary depending on the connection. Some people you’re comfortable with right away, some people require getting to know for a longer period of time. It’s that way with friendships and romantic relationships. There’s nothing abnormal about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 03:10 PM
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because they want to be together with the guy for as long as possible even if he'll turn out to be a pump-and-dumper? The mask always drops for these guys. If pumping and dumping is their game, they are courting as many women as possible. You’ll notice their inconsistency, their lack of emotional availability, and you’ll move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 03:02 PM
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There’s nothing wrong with being a late bloomer
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 02:48 PM
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This is fascinating considering nutritional deficiencies from shit diets are on the rise. Now people will be eating even less instead of just learning how to eat correctly. I wonder what that’s going to look like in a decade
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 04:19 PM
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You literally said women are blind to 80% of men. I asked why the fuck is any random woman obligated to witness or engage 80% of men in the first place. You have no response.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 05:35 PM
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You never answered the question here. But somehow I’m the problem because strangers don’t care about strangers. Ask yourself why you think single solitary women need to pay service to 80% of men they don’t even know like it’s their job. YOU don’t even care about random men, or random women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 05:16 PM
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I want you to think about the people you interact with on a daily basis. Do you give a single solitary shit about 95% of the people you see? No. No one does. This idea that women need to CARE about 80% of men when no one cares about the majority of people that exist besides their own friends/family/coworkers/intimate circle is just deranged.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 05:05 PM
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Haha, that’s my real point. I don’t believe most men are actually attracted to most women, but the guys here like to say they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 04:19 PM
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Men are majorly responsible for a lot of the issues in modern dating? Well, when you put it that way, I guess I agree
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 02:07 PM
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Them: Men are attracted to most women! Men: attracted to most women Them: No, not like that!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 02:01 PM
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I’m in my 30s. All of the successful men I’ve dated have also been some of the most kind and sweet. The worst guys I have ever dated have been broke. Most women will say the exact same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 08:09 PM
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Sexual options? 50% Somewhat easily find a new partner or have multiple partners? 25%
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 06:28 PM
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Do you like my new flair?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 06:25 PM
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a real thinker right here. You win!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 04:00 PM
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I think a lot of women believe they aren’t allowed to want more. Wanting a partner with job stability sounds acceptable so that’s what they feel okay to desire. If my partner lost his job I would still love him. I chose him and I committed to him for a reason, he’s special to me and not replaceable. Will I hope that he gets a new one? Certainly. The type of person I’d fall in love with would also want to get another job for their own sake. Being unemployed is a struggle. I have one life on earth…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 03:57 PM
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Entitled princess, I like the sound of that. Thanks for the endearing nickname
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 01:42 PM
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I’m happy to answer this honestly — so we can have the same lifestyle with no fear or fuss. Anytime I date a guy, he eats literally 3-4x the amount of groceries I do. Going out to eat is now 2-3x more expensive, travel is 2x more expensive, hobbies, etc. Plus, I refuse to live with a partner in anything less than a massive apartment or house. We will need to upgrade. My last partner and I lived in a 1br apartment in NYC. I said never again, we upgraded to a three bedroom apartment and we both ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 01:34 PM
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I already have these things for myself. Why would I want to slide back in lifestyle?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 01:09 PM
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Oh, we do care. Don’t worry
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 03:36 AM
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The midnight musings of a man with no status.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 03:34 AM
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I don’t know if you’ve ever met a man before, but plenty of men consider themselves unattached while in situationships or dating around while women consider themselves attached in those situations. That can account for the rate of young men who reported singleness. Doesn’t mean they aren’t involved with the opposite sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 03:26 PM
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Women are surrounded by “options for sexual exploration” — who do those options happen to be? Of all the couples I know, the boyfriends had to be convinced to settle down. Men think they need to achieve material success before marriage. Guys date casually in their 20s before actually wanting to settle down too. This isn’t an experience unique to women. Are you saying you wanted to be a married father at 22? Providing for a pregnant/child rearing wife? Probs not
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 11:38 AM
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A lot of women are dating in their social circles, schools, places of work, communities etc. What is this mythical idea women are chasing “top percentage” men? Those men have insular social networks and are usually surrounded by people of similar social standing. And, as a group, the top 1-5% are more likely to be married. The idea that rich men are eternal bachelors is demonstrably false, they are more married than everyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 10:59 PM
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I thought men were attracted to the majority of women
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 10:48 PM
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People are single in their 20s and settle down by 30. None of this is unusual
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 08:21 PM
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Most adult men aren’t this yet most adult men are married and/or partnered by 30. Make it make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 07:31 PM
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It all boils down to chemistry, connection, and attraction. Either you have that with someone or you don’t. Just because you don’t have it with one person doesn’t mean you won’t have it with another. Extremely attractive people light up a person’s brain. Most human beings aren’t attractive celebrities so it doesn’t make sense to compare yourself to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 05:59 PM
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To pass the time, I imagine. I have a theory that some folks end up in lukewarm relationships with people they aren’t in love with and then become anti-marriage philosophers as a way to rationalize their lack of feelings. Still fleshing it out though.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 05:13 PM
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Traditions change, no? Even atheists get married. It’s about commitment and romance to some people
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 05:05 PM
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Have you ever had a longterm relationship with someone you didn’t feel that strongly for/didn’t particularly like all that much?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 05:02 PM
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Great, date people who align with your beliefs and leave everyone else alone. For many people, there is nothing even remotely fun about having sex with strangers.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 12:36 PM
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Taking things slowly is a must Except for when it comes to sex. According to you, women should just rush into that headfirst with men they barely know.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 12:11 PM
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Do the men on PPD seem even remotely successful in dating/relationships to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 10:40 PM
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I see this sentiment nearly every day on Reddit. Don’t take advice from women, repeat x infinity. Okay, we get it. So just take advice from men then, how is that going for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 10:22 PM
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Haha, I love how you’re telling me what perspective I should have, and it’s coincidentally the one you’ve formed from your own thoughts and experiences. Why can’t these types of women date compatible men and OP date women with no expectations? There’s plenty of ‘em
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 07:14 AM
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You do know that human beings have different dietary needs based on genetics? Some bodies thrive eating higher carb, some thrive eating lower carb. Some people have to avoid sugars due to diabetes. Some people have to avoid fats due to gallbladder issues. Some people even have a sensitivity to fibrous vegetables, some have trouble breaking down protein due to kidney issues. Let people figure out what works for them instead of thinking everyone needs to do things your way or else they're somehow …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 06:35 AM
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-advocates for chivalry or traditional stuff You're a red pill man but you want to date gender role destroying feminists, huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 06:23 AM
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Exactly this. OP is bitching about materialistic women as if he will ever be in danger of dating one. They probably avoid OP and guys like him like the plague, so why is he so fixated on women that don’t want him?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 10:16 PM
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If there’s a dude that wants to buy his girlfriend a new Gucci bag every month and a girl that wants said dude, why does it matter? Consenting adult relationships can look like many different things. Materialistic people can and should date each other. Who cares
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 10:10 PM
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Processed foods have obesogenic, endocrine disrupting, and inflammatory industrial chemicals added to nearly all of it. It makes sense to want to eat healthy and cleaner, especially if there’s kids involved. Men consider this annoying and nagging, then they get high cholesterol and die of a heart attack in their 50s. She just wants you to live longer.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 03:09 PM
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My most arbitrary and admittedly batshit insane deal-breaker is a guy having a red beard. Full redheads are very attractive, but if someone has blonde/black/brown hair with a red beard I feel sick. I have no idea why, it’s a visceral level of repulsion I have no control over. A close second is just beards in general. I find them so unattractive and it makes me sad they’re so popular or considered “makeup for men.” I think they ruin faces and swipe left on every bearded profile I see if there’s n…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 03:04 PM
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Aww, your poor wife. I couldn’t imagine wanting to try new diets, learn about different ways of eating, and the one person who is supposed to love me more than anything finding it “annoying.” That’s so sad. Anytime I wanted to try a different way of eating, my fiancé would be excited and he’d cook all the dishes like it was a special project lol. It was so loving and sweet.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 02:53 PM
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You can recognize that police protection orders don't always protect women. And women who have gone to the police about their abusive partners still end up being murdered, protective order and all. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18523113/
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 07:50 PM
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Women have proof plenty of time, often it’s not as egregious as an AirTag in the vehicle, but things like excessive messaging, threats, unwanted physical proximity, etc. What happened after your friend reported the AirTag?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 07:04 PM
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A woman is getting stalked by her ex boyfriend. The police don’t give a shit until she’s dead. Widespread issue
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 06:07 PM
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Ah, so you intentionally seek out promiscuous women to chat with. That’s your own prerogative homie
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 12:57 PM
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Like what kind of information?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 12:54 PM
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Exactly, chatting for sometime nets you virtually zero info about their sex life
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 12:41 PM
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Unless you’re observing them in the wild like Steve Irwin you probably don’t know.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 12:40 PM
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99% of women will toss her standards, morals, rules, yadda yadda right out the fucking window for damn near any moron as long as he's **big hot**. You're saying that very attractive people are treated differently. That's not revolutionary and both sexes exhibit the same behavior towards very attractive people. and giving truly dogshit advice to men seeking answers about dating Have you found advice that actually works from anyone else?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 02:30 PM
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It sounds like you're in good shape minus the 3 year dating hiatus (was that by choice?). Honestly, I don't find flirting attractive at all. I can't be the only woman that doesn't like it. If I met a guy that had no flirting skills I'd be elated.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 11:57 PM
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I'm sorry it's a bummer. Have you ever dated or had a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 11:35 PM
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Correction: In a state of horniness and desperation, men find most women fuckable (but not necessarily attractive). That doesn't mean they respect them, like them, would commit to them, nothing. Women are picky as they should be. The cost of mating and reproduction are significantly higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 11:29 PM
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99% of women won't even acknowledge your existence Most people aren’t preoccupied with strangers. Why do guys like you think random women who you don’t know and have no association with should care you exist? Do you care about random men you don’t know? Or women you don’t find attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 07:00 PM
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Most men won’t experience a romantic relationship? That’s not congruent with reality. By 30, most adults are partnered or married.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 07:31 AM
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Romantic attraction is supposed to be unique. A single woman shouldn’t be attracted to most men who exist, that doesn’t even make sense. People have varying cultures, values, preferences shaped by their environment. The expectation that women should be sexually interested in most men doesn’t exist anywhere in nature. Women are simply sexually selective as a protective biological mechanism (the cost of mating and reproduction are disproportionately high). Would you rather your connection and attr…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 04:06 AM
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boy what are you talking about
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 02:30 PM
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The problem is some girls think they deserve way more than what they do. On an individual level, why wouldn't someone try to get the best partner they can? They don't owe it to you to be practical, or set their expectations to what you arbitrarily think they deserve. It's fascinating you guys fixate so much on other people and their wants. In life, some people actually get more than they deserve. And some people get less.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 02:30 PM
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They know better due to their superior logic and intellect... which has not been polluted by the gratification of love and sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 01:36 PM
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Where the average woman is 5’4 @ 175 but would die before accepting her looks / life match. Who is her looks / life match and why are you the one to decide?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 01:31 PM
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Just because the guy has sex with you doesnt mean he wants a relationship. If you want commitment then in most situations you are not some overpowered deserving woman on dates with the guy she wants. Just a delusional fool thats being played by a guy that never wants to commit. Have you not seen the research that shows women are hooking up less and less? Women are putting commitment and relationships of substance before sex. It's a turning tide.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 01:30 PM
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Is it any different than the guys who have no experience dating, no past relationships, no sexual past, no social relationships thinking they know EVERYTHING about sex, dating, relationships, and women?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 01:17 PM
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You don't think multiple things can matter at once?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 01:15 PM
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You're just going to ignore childbirth and subsequent complications, career stagnation, unpaid domestic labor, and emotional labor huh? Sir, you can go up to 100 women and 97 of them will have been victimized in some way by a bad man. Women have to consider their safety in relation to the opposite sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 02:55 AM
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Men really don’t need much to be happy, yet they have a really hard time creating that for themselves — record unhappiness, loneliness epidemic and all that
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 12:41 AM
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Oh okay. So the proximity to intimate partner violence, childbirth, career stagnation, and the many other things that affect women disproportionately in a heterosexual relationship are just made up. Got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 10:46 PM
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The non-monetary costs associated with dating are much higher for women. The fact that a guy can’t cover a date for the potential mother of his children is ghastly.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 10:09 PM
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Are you any level of rich? Or successful? Or just generally doing well for yourself?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 07:11 PM
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You’re asking how someone can get a girl like that. The answer is you can’t
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 06:53 PM
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They could find those same qualities in someone who has money and can enhance their life.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 06:42 PM
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What do you have to offer a hot woman that everyone wants?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 06:32 PM
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Bro, you are attractive. But it looks like you don’t care about your appearance all that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 06:26 PM
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That’s a great point. I grew up watching my father love to take my mom on dates. He adores her. They have complimentary love languages and it’s very sweet. I’m sure you can recognize “having your food paid for” isn’t what makes something romantic, otherwise I might also have some confusing thoughts about work pizza parties too, huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 06:19 PM
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I don’t think this is accurate. Most women don’t have their area set that high.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 04:26 PM
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It’s becoming quite apparent the only thing a lot of men value in life is their access to sex. You could be treated like a walking penis if you inspired such desirability in women. I’ve known plenty of manwhores in my day.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 04:25 PM
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And why do women get more attention and easy sex? Whose fault is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 04:02 PM
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You said unattractive women get treated better than attractive men which is demonstrably false, yet I’m disingenuous. Yeah okay buddy
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 04:00 PM
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Correct, dating is a combination of personality and compatibility. You cannot glean any of that from a dating app. The only thing you have is someone’s photos. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Otherwise, you’ve got things like clear skin, nice white teeth, facial symmetry, flattering haircuts, well-fitting clothing, meticulously groomed facial hair or clean shaven, clear bright photos, photos that aren’t in the front seat of a car, or in a dirty mirror, or in a horrendously filthy bathroom.…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 03:57 PM
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Random people want to use them like a fleshlight then discard them. That’s how you want people to treat you?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 03:41 PM
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Dating apps are explicitly shallow. They revolve around pictures and selecting people based on attractiveness. Why would someone who is unattractive on a looks based dating app receive a free chance when they don’t meet the single criteria those apps use? And why do you associate unattractive = good. Unattractive people can be equally as shitty as anyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 03:37 PM
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I mean, that is cheap. Even friends treat each other every once in a while. You expect your partner to be a 50/50 mate you get to have sex with. How romantic
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 03:30 PM
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A lot of men want to do nice things for women they find pretty.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 03:29 PM
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Why do unattractive men feel so entitled to be treated like attractive men when they aren’t?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 03:25 PM
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These aren’t exactly research sources, but: https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2023/apr/26/the-rise-of-voluntary-celibacy-most-of-the-sex-ive-had-i-wish-i-hadnt-bothered https://www.businessinsider.com/gen-z-women-abstaining-sex-celibacy-dating-hook-up-culture-2023-4
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 02:34 PM
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More women are choosing to abstain vs sleep with men who don’t like them. I hope the trend continues
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 08:09 AM
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who let me hit it raw and off bc. So we’re not afraid of STDs and unwanted pregnancies anymore?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 08:06 AM
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Research shows most people date laterally in terms of socioeconomic status and attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 08:04 AM
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Why'd you stop?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 11:08 PM
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Have you ever had a longterm relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 10:27 PM
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Maybe this won’t look the same for everyone, but I’d say the following: Mutual physical attraction Seemingly natural rapport during conversation A sense of chemistry (subtle or strong, just present) A sense that you like the person so far, whether you have evidence for it or not Certain people will feel no physical attraction towards someone, no conversational rapport, zero chemistry, and still expect the other party to be interested in dating. You can’t force human connection when it isn’t ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 10:23 PM
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Someone who is super into you will view your availability as a positive. Someone who is not into you will view any random attribute as an ick or negative. You don’t need to overanalyze your behavior and come to the conclusion of “darn, I was just too available.” No, you two just didn’t have a romantic connection.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 08:09 PM
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Gah, that's rotten. Sounds like it was very stressful. How did the next date go three years later?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 12:35 AM
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Can you tell us about the moment she did realize you were a loser and what happened after that?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 12:24 AM
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Oh yes, the replies to this were concerning to say the least. Why would I want to be treated well in a relationship?!? Why is that something I screen for?!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 08:08 PM
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The cultural expectation for men to pay for dates has already been challenged. Look at any Reddit thread and you’ll see many, many women who insist they go 50/50 as a preference. There will still be women who associate a man paying with courtship. And there are still men who prefer to pay as a gesture of romance. These people don’t care about your idealized version of the world, they’re going to do what they want. Again, I’m not talking about someone paying someone else’s way through life. You k…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 07:54 PM
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Sure, I’m happy to share my thoughts. The man doesn’t have to do anything. There are men with the genuine disposition to be providers, or to be generous, or to be egalitarian, or to be househusbands, etc. And there is a corresponding partner who matches their disposition. There is no right or wrong here. No one is forcing you to be a provider. Be whoever you want to be in a relationship and find the partner that matches you. Unfortunately, no one is entitled to a world where every woman matches …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 07:33 PM
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Do you think there’s only two options? Being a miserly bastard complaining about 50¢ cups or being a provider? You can’t conceptualize just being generous, nice, caring without funding travel and luxury goods?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 07:21 PM
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One thing (of many) that attracted me to my last partner was the fact that he didn’t bat an eyelash about tipping. He’d tip $2 on a $3 espresso. And he wasn’t trying to impress anyone, it was in his nature to treat everyone well, even service workers and baristas. I’ve noticed a direct correlation between how someone tips to how they are in a relationship. If they’re fretting over tipping a barista a fricken dollar, bitching about how much cups cost, they’re going to be cheap, stingy, keeping sc…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 03:32 PM
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I don’t know what this sentence is supposed to mean
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 11:40 PM
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Basic human needs are food, water, shelter from the elements, human interaction, sleep, sunlight. Procreating/creating families is an innate biological drive, but humans exist and live without this. It’s not a basic human need on an individual level.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 10:54 PM
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It's only a disadvantage because women feel entitled to safety. Wow
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 02:28 PM
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That’s really sweet of you
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 12:53 AM
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I hope she contributes 1/4th or less.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 12:36 AM
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Apparently, there is the notion that most men don't care about a woman's career or level of education or ambition in life It’s true, low status men don’t care about a woman’s career. High status men absolutely care about career, education, etc — as you’ve mentioned. If you are an adult, you are fully capable of supporting yourself, and the man should not have to pay for everything for you. You mention that some men and women prefer a dynamic where the husband/male partner supports the wife/famil…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 12:35 AM
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I meant has the approach netted an actual hookup, relationship, or wife? Otherwise, it’s not really working if people giving you their number so that you go away and that’s that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 07:35 PM
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Exactly this. Although social situations aren’t supposed to be a person’s personal dating pool, it allows for natural, genuine connections to develop with people who have actual proximity to you! Far superior to ambushing people on the street which works 1 out of 500 times for the average person, if that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 07:05 PM
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Stop approaching strangers. You don’t have any organic way to actually meet people? Has approaching strangers ever worked for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 06:02 PM
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Most people at least drink water, use moisturizer and chapstick. He looks like he uses none of the above. I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with aging, he doesn’t look like he took care of himself at all. It’s jarring
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 05:53 PM
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Hugh Grant is a prime example. He was so handsome in his youth and now he looks like an old raisin
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 03:43 PM
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I am utter fascinated, actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 09:50 PM
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Fatness is a literal dealbreaker for many men, including fat men. Everyone has dealbreakers. Short men still find partners. What is the obsession with being desired by people who don’t want you? I’m genuinely curious
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 08:37 PM
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the women here are … happier than the men here Thank you for noticing :)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 04:15 PM
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Do you think all preferences are silly, or just height? Shortness is relatively undesirable in men, sure. The fact that they can’t change it is is irrelevant, sexual desire isn’t merit-based or charity. But most men can find a woman that’s either shorter than them or doesn’t care about their height.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 03:54 PM
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But why? Even men like other tall men. It’s a desirable and attractive trait.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 03:32 PM
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Women have height preferences and most men are taller than most women in the real world. But you’re right, some women say they want a partner who is 6 ft or taller. Just like some men are into blondes, big boobs, big butts, thick women, thin women, etc. People have their arbitrary preferences. Why does it bug you that any particular woman finds tallness an attractive trait in a sexual partner? Seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 10:09 AM
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Most people don’t see shortness as a problem. Most men are taller than most women. It’s just suspicious to hyper-fixate on one particular thing as a death sentence when short men date and get girls all the time. Certainly it’s a combination of things and not just the shortness. they must be an awful human being. Awful? Probably not. Unattractive? Possibly. Socially awkward? Possibly.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 09:43 AM
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Because women everywhere have either dated short men or seen short men successful in life and love.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 09:21 AM
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It certainly is
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/24 01:31 AM
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Similarly, men like to pretend the only thing that matters is women “not be fat” meanwhile they have a million preferences/desires for their partner they aren’t forthcoming about. Everyone is steeped in their own self-delusion
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/24 12:47 AM
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Grape shape made me lol, thank you
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/24 12:40 AM
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You’re holding me responsible for my entire gender, sheesh! Looks and initial attraction are extremely important in my opinion. Everything else is secondary. But the secondary stuff still matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/24 12:40 AM
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Certainly, in fact some women find baldness attractive. Unfortunately I do not, I need my men with grown out hair shoulder length or beyond
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/24 12:20 AM
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Beer bellies, obesity, balding, and ED have entered the chat
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/24 12:03 AM
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You’re totally correct, I’m just talking about the men in this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 07:42 PM
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It genuinely seems like the only thing men value is sex. They don’t care if their woman loves them for being a great person, a kind soul, an amazing partner, they only want to be valued for being an imaginary Chad Thundercock
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 07:38 PM
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The men here expect to be treated like sex gods while inspiring nothing of the sort in anyone, and then hold women responsible for their inadequacy. “How dare you have had better sex with someone else?!?” aka someone was better at sex than them. Do they try to get better? NO. It’s pathological
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 07:36 PM
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I’ll be here all day
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 07:24 PM
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Suuure, Elliot Rodger. Whatever you say.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 10:06 AM
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Unfortunately it can't hide the ugliness inside many women. Hatred for women masquerading as a critique on makeup, it must be a day that ends in -y! You do know guys like you post the exact same thoughts over and over? It’s fascinating how you all think the same things and somehow feel you’re having original thoughts. Whats most notable is how your thoughts differ from men who actually have respect from/proximity to/contact with the opposite sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 09:53 AM
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Men prefer women wearing makeup, literally every study proves this. You’re basing your perception of the world on your opinion, surely you’re smarter than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 09:48 AM
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or even his height that would be outrageous. 99% of men lie about their height.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 09:46 AM
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Makeup is a social norm that has existed for literal centuries. Accentuating features and putting effort into beautification is cultural, it’s not the glaring personality flaw you think it is. In my experience and what I’ve observed from men who actually have partners, most guys like when their partners are done up and beautiful. The only people who ever harp about makeup are men who have no proximity to women, no partner to go “wow, you look pretty!” … just hatred for the opposite sex masquerad…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 09:41 AM
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Accentuating your cheeks, lips, and eyelashes is not “hiding”
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 09:32 AM
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She’s not attracted to them ≠ they’re unattractive
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 10:33 PM
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And being teased in person is significantly more impactful. You don’t hear conversations people have when you aren’t around, you’d likely never even know if they took place.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 10:32 PM
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She explicitly said short men can be attractive, she just finds dating short men physically awkward for her. Good grief
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 10:26 PM
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Men are an equally emotional gender. Anger, resentment, spite, envy, those are emotions too
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 10:25 PM
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At this point, it seems like he’s intentionally not understanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 10:23 PM
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whereas 48.9% wanted to only date men taller than them. Most men are taller than most women, darling
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 10:22 PM
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You’re literally allowed to like big boobs though. No one cares I have small boobs and I feel absolutely nothing towards men who have preferences, no animosity, no anger, nothing. Preferences are arbitrary
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 10:21 PM
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Most men aren’t significantly tall yet most adult men are married/partnered, so I don’t think this checks out…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 10:18 PM
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I’ve seen more men tease other men about being short than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 10:17 PM
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Those are literally the only women who exist to him, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 07:12 PM
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You’re onto something. Maybe, just maybe, these aren’t objective measures. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 09:19 PM
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I’ll be honest, the fact that it’s well known most men are taller than most women made it irrelevant to address. Plus, I had faith you’d be right here to mention it, just in case some poor reader didn’t already know this basic biological fact. Thank you for your service. This dating up and dating down rhetoric is kind of silly honestly because it looks at dating from a viewpoint that’s a bit one dimensional. You’re allowed to have your opinion on the matter. It doesn’t mean anyone has to agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 08:57 PM
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Is it a conceivable possibility to you that perhaps I was talking about the education, money, and assets?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 05:45 PM
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Do all women expect men to be well off financially? Even poor women?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 05:18 PM
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Chinese girls want to date someone atleast average height even if they are below average height. They want to date someone equally or better educated. A nice car matters.. a LOT. Having a house matters, a lot (even if its like 2 million in SF or 1 mil in beijing You’re describing the phenomenon in which women date up in many ways and down in others. What do you think the ideal scenario should be?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 07:31 AM
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wasted 13 years with someone I wasn’t attracted to Why… did you do this? Most women aren’t as attractive as they think. Women don’t exist to be as attractive as possible to you. Everyone is someone else’s ten. If you aren’t into someone, let her find someone who is.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 03:46 AM
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Have you ever contemplated the thought that women have a low swipe right rates because guys have bad profiles, bad pictures, or otherwise undesirable profiles? Despite their low swipe rate, 60% of adult women are either partnered or married already. Who do you think they are partnered with? Tinder is not real life
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 02:59 AM
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Cosmo magazine told me that men value confidence above all over traits. They lied to us!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 03:59 AM
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Oh no I misread your comment I’m sorry. So, he wasn’t violent or abusive, just an addict?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 06:53 PM
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How’s it working so far
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 06:51 PM
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If you have a reason to be there, it’s not that weird. If you’re there solely to hit on students, it’s suspect.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 05:47 PM
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Every source I’ve found doesn’t even list lawyer or doctor within the top 10 of occupations related to domestic violence…?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 05:24 PM
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You do recognize that outliers exist. Most doctors are from high SES backgrounds that have low domestic violence rates. Low doesn’t mean zero
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 10:27 AM
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Let’s shed light on the fact that the women in your dating pool select for men that are ‘lowlifes’ with zero redeeming qualities. Are you of low socioeconomic status? And, if so, can you see how that influences mate selection? Because the same women talking about safety and high quality men aren’t the same women dating lowlifes.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 09:24 PM
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Did he have associates that worked underneath him? A lot of dating theorists talk about men who are uncomfortable with being outearned, I think there’s some validity to it. I’m glad your mom eventually stood up for herself. I genuinely hope things are better for her
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 10:31 PM
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How did your dad even feel comfortable being so worthless
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 07:54 PM
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So who is judging you?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 05:23 PM
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You barely talk to women, yet somehow feel persecuted and judged by them for caring about n-counts. How can two of these things be true? Unless your persecution is imaginary, read by strangers, and not even directed towards you
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 03:04 PM
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is it "morally wrong" for him to seek a woman that is likeminded? No, no one cares who he dates. He doesn’t need to ask anyone’s permission to have standards and boundaries in his dating life. And no one can control him whatsoever. This is virtually a nonissue, unless he takes to the internet to fight about his viewpoints, otherwise he’d probably never have to defend them in the real world (the only one that matters).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 03:01 PM
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OP strictly absolutely solely wants casual sex and nothing else from women, and keeps finding out that women eventually catch feelings for him. Why not just use a prostitute at that point? SWers who, without a shadow of a doubt, are never going to catch feelings for him?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/24 02:49 PM
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We're 2 consenting adults getting our rocks off. If you lie or obfuscate your intentions to get a woman to say yes to having sex when she otherwise would have said no you’re actually taking away her ability to actually consent. And when she finds out you’ve lied, she will feel used and manipulated.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/24 02:44 PM
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But you want to use the women in your life like free use prostitutes
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/24 02:40 PM
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Hahaha, okay chief
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 08:47 PM
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The reference to 80% of men being below average, are you referencing dating app data? I’m just curious why you think individual women need to find the MAJORITY OF MEN attractive. It’s nonsense. Even men themselves don’t find the majority of women attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 08:47 PM
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Ohhhh, you’re basing your opinion on dating app data, is that a correct assumption?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 08:34 PM
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Why blame me? I believe in and want marriage. Men are the ones that are historically dragged kicking and screaming to the altar.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 07:59 PM
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Both things are true at once. People marry and date less, and most adults are still partnered or married.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 07:58 PM
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Who decides who has “realistic, sensible” standards and why does it conveniently happen to be you? Women are sexually selective by nature, they have never in history been interested in the large majority of the male population. And women can only marry and procreate with one male at a time. What is the point of being romantically interested in the majority of men? Furthermore, men themselves have preferences. Just because a man will accept sexual attention from a large majority of women doesn’t …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 07:44 PM
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Weird how nearly 60% of adults are married or partnered. But somehow all women are still chasing a mythical 5% of men. Did you know the top percent have marriage numbers higher than everyone else? They’re even more likely to be married.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 05:31 PM
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That’s a bit of a false dichotomy. The only two options aren’t bumming or obsession with material gain. You can be a normal human who wants to learn at university and have an engaging career, no obsession required.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 03:47 PM
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Right, and the cultural narrative surrounding commitment is that men enter it against their will.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 03:40 PM
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Most adult women are partnered or married already, so who are you actually upset with? OP, are you swiping on women you don’t find attractive? If you don’t do it, why should women?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 03:38 PM
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So, you can generalize that all men desire family, and that’s not a fallacy. If I generalize in the other way, that certainly is a fallacy? Is that right?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 03:24 PM
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If the average changes in the opposite direction, would the bar go lower? It should, by your logic, but that doesn’t seem to be the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 07:08 AM
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That’s the number 1 thing above everything else most men want. From observation, men dislike commitment and think women are trying to entrap and confine them to family life. It doesn’t seem like a number 1 priority at all. More power to you if you’re happy with an AI girlfriend. Most people probably don’t want that?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 07:05 AM
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Because it’s unreasonable to expect men to have ambition and initiative for their own lives? Humankind will die off because men won’t want to study and experience high paying careers?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 05:07 AM
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I experienced the resentment thing in a relationship in my early 20s. His bitterness over his own circumstances was the most unattractive, repulsive thing I ever experienced. He was one person that helped me realize I only want to date men that make more than me. So far, it’s worked well. However, in the past two years, I’ve encountered a few dates that make less than me. I can see the gears working almost immediately, the insecurity, the snide comments about my career/education, and we don’t go…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 05:05 AM
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And what are men going to do? Languish? Turn away education opportunities and better jobs?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 04:56 AM
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Instead of relying on this toxic cesspool, I would talk to your guy friends that have girlfriends and fwbs. Clearly they’re doing well in your environment and they will have exponentially better advice than anyone here. I wish you luck OP
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 02:27 PM
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Just like a guy who doesn’t take girls on dates that cost more than $5 as a dating rule/strategy, then he meets his dream girl and does whatever she wants for whatever cost. This isn’t about integrity. It’s about human connection and desire, which varies from person to person. It’s impossible to be formulaic and rigid with each interaction because different people make you feel different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 04:21 PM
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I missed the part of your comment where you said I was expecting my partner to be my parent. That’s not even remotely close to the truth, but it’s a common narrative that women who like provider men just want “parents” — I’m an adult, with degrees, a career, my own place, I don’t need anyone to take care of me and I’m not looking for a parent. I just don’t find stingy cheap men sexually desirable, that has nothing to do with expecting a man to be my dad. But! Funny enough, my father told me my e…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 02:38 PM
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But setting your man up as a provider, and then expecting him to be that, as well as a lover, carer, parent and help is just not an equal relationship. That's the point, I'd never set anyone up. Men like this exist, in bliss, happy to be all that and more because it is their nature. You're allowed to be irked by my statement. I can fully understand that it is an undesirable dynamic, one you would not enjoy. Rest assured, you don't have to worry about being in one because you have agency over you…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 02:18 AM
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That’s a great question. You’re asking me to demonstrate my value, but it’s not really possible. Humans (I) don’t have value or utility to another (you) when we aren’t connected by any tangible means. No answer will be good enough. If you were to ask someone who loved me what I was worth, what they received out of being connected with me, they would consider it incalculable. Love, attention, presence, affection, adoration, friendship, partnership, all of these things have non-monetary value. I’m…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 10:27 PM
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I laughed out loud at this, thank you
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 06:08 PM
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Men can get erections for inanimate objects
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 03:30 PM
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Even most men don’t find most women sexually attractive. The average woman is 5’3” with a BMI of 29, far from the male ideal
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 02:58 PM
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I agree, the giving and support should be mutual. I’m simply talking about the traits you select for in a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 02:55 PM
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Virtually no. The men that approach me in inappropriate public spaces are almost always unattractive. The men that approach me in socially appropriate settings, however, tend to be more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 01:19 PM
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No, modern culture is saying gender roles shouldn’t be forced and expected. People should be allowed to freely express what brings them the most joy without being confined to unnecessary societal norms. There’s no reason for a woman who doesn’t want marriage or children to feel pressured into doing so. There’s no reason for a man who feels feminine to be afraid to display his gender expression. I’m a blend of traditional and modern ideals on gender and identity. This is what makes me happy so it…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 01:14 PM
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Basically, I think a lot of left wing guys have come to feel (rightly or wrongly) that partnerships have come to represent a whole helluva lot of responsibility without much upside. Stop dating women you don’t like and nothing will feel like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 01:10 PM
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This is always so curious to me. What does feminism have to do with consensual adult romance? You can both want women to have the right to vote, the right to have an abortion, the right to own property, the right to equal pay, while also finding generous men that provide attractive. And here’s the thing, you’re not a provider-type. So, a woman that wants that wouldn’t want to date you. Provider men have an entire personality trait that you cannot fake. Just find someone you’re compatible with be…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 01:08 PM
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But what is masculine? Because to me, there is nothing more masculine than a secure, emotionally regulated kind man who takes care of the people he loves. The easiest way to lose my respect is to desperately need it in the first place, to feel your manliness can be threatened by everything, and the need to project strength and dominance, which is actually just weakness disguised as strength.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 12:56 PM
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The best love you can feel is from a person who adores you and wants to take care of you. 50/50 feels like a roommate keeping score, it’s extremely unattractive and unsexy. Imagine going 50/50 on your birthday, or your boyfriend posting on Reddit asking if it’s okay if he made you pay 100% of the medical bills for childbirth since he wasn’t the one in the hospital. You can want love, and also want the best version of that love, and have high standards for your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 12:50 PM
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The core error here is the assumption that generous, kind, giving, provider type men have to be traditional and conservative. They don’t. My last partner was a leftist and extremely chivalrous and a gentleman.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 04:19 AM
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A 5’10” guy in the wild is nearly 6’0” tall, no one is calling you short. But if you’re not actually 5’10”, perhaps you’re 5’8” and add two inches for shoes like so many men do, then I can see why people refer to you as short. The average male height is 5’10”.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 12:41 PM
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Most women are not that level of hot
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 05:56 AM
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No, I prefer attractive men with long hair. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 03:37 PM
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I actually do prefer pretty men with gorgeous facial features and long beautiful hair
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 12:02 AM
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You are the rare exception my dear! Most of the people that post here have a narrative they are wholly committed to and are not interested in being proven wrong or changing their worldview.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 12:05 AM
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And the proof is never good enough, and it never changes their mind. I don’t cite sources for the same reasons you mentioned. If someone cares enough to look into it, they will, otherwise no one here is entitled to other people compiling sources for them and it’s absurd people think that to begin with
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 06:19 PM
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The cost of mating is much higher for women. Women are inherently more selective as a result. Men being willing to sleep with most women isn’t a good trait, I don’t know why it’s presented as such. The average man isn’t invisible to women, the average man is married or in a long term partnership.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 01:40 AM
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he always talks shit about her looks and personality lol Your boyfriend sounds like a catch. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 01:37 AM
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Sounds like women used you to self harm
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/24 04:48 AM
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That’s an adorably charitable interpretation of an otherwise obvious meaning, thanks darlin
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 10:51 PM
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Calm down, tiger. The no comment gave it away
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 10:43 PM
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Oh okay, so the real question is why do you feel entitled to use people like disposable sex objects
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 04:03 PM
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Did you let these people know they were in a sex only zone or did you string them along
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 08:17 AM
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It's the same reason why literally every single man adds 2 inches to their reported height. There is an element of self-delusion there, plus the hope the other person won't notice or will accept them as they are, plus a sense of entitlement to embellish parts of yourself to be more attractive and garner more interest. Misleading people about your body size, whether it be height or weight, is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 12:26 AM
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That’s not the strategy. You are a hookup, you are down for sex. That’s all she really needs to know and understand about you. A person being vetted for a relationship? That’s someone that’s going to meet your family, your friends, your coworkers, integrate themselves into your life, know the intimate details of everything about you. The vetting is significantly more intense. When you are evaluating someone for a very important role, you take your time. That includes sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 09:27 PM
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Oh, confronting random women must work well for you then. Good! Why are you here?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 04:29 PM
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I'm trying to give you power by sharing how to best expend your resources. I'm trying to help you recognize how fruitless approaching random women has been for you and to try out more socially adept behaviors.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 01:05 AM
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The key is talking to people in socially acceptable places where other people go to socialize. A bar is most definitely one of them. A gym is not, unless you’ve built up some naturally friendly rapport with someone. The fact that you can’t distinguish between appropriate socializing spaces is also telling.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 08:30 PM
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The truth is this - we've seen the type of guys that approach spanning decades and they are always low value, approaching random women because they have no social circle or women otherwise interested in them. Even the mere act of approaching a woman you don't know conveys so much in that mere instant, that you are otherwise undesirable, that your social network is lacking, etc. It's just an immediate ick. Approaching a woman at a bar or a singles event is a completely different story. That's soc…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 05:07 AM
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Women should not let men pay if there will be no second date. I follow this rule myself and I think it's very fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 03:12 AM
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I don't think men "should" do anything. I think it's perfectly fine to want to pay for a date, not want to pay for a date, go half, whatever. I find it most attractive when a man genuinely wants to treat me as his partner, and I find it unattractive when a guy keeps tabs and cares about money. But I would never date a guy and demand he pay or feel entitled for him to pay, I would only date people who genuinely pay out of their own desire and enjoyment.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 03:10 AM
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First off, this isn't a bluepill idea that everyone has equal dating value, I don't believe that. What I do believe is that desire is wholly subjective, and what you don't value at all, someone else will. It's a revenge fantasy to hope that women will never find the men they want. A successful guy could be blue collar, a tradesman, IT at a hospital, its not beyond the realm of possibility for a single mom in her 30s to find a successful guy, and there are plenty of men who are fine with women ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 04:37 AM
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I get it, however, a woman you find low value will have value to someone else, however long that takes. And that's who they are looking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 01:41 AM
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i'm just amused when i see women who are 30-35+, have been around the block, perhaps have a baby in tow, proclaim that they know their worth now and won't settle for less than X Y and Z For some people, it takes time to learn self-respect. Maybe healthy relationships weren’t modeled for them as a child. Maybe they grew up in an abusive household. Whatever the answer may be, they were late to discover self-worth. They are now holding out for more high quality connections and this amuses you becau…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 05:01 PM
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What?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 06:26 PM
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Some men are fulfilled by and enjoy that dynamic. They are in love and happy, that’s the only way those dynamics work.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/24 04:29 PM
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It’s something that’s either genuinely in a persons nature or not. You cannot perform it. Sure, people can be too giving but I think it’s okay to give to a partner that loves you and is committed to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/24 04:28 PM
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To me, nothing is more masculine than a guy who loves his partner above his own ego. And to you, that’s submissiveness. Needing to dominate or be perceived as masculine is weakness disguised as strength. Huge turnoff.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/24 12:10 PM
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Some people do it for the thrill, because they’re uninhibited by alcohol, because they are self-harming with sex, trying to feel something/anything at all, because society has told them it’s exciting and empowering.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 04:48 PM
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You can come off as disinterested in many ways. Sometimes it’s just a general vibe that you’re performing, not actually interested, going through the motions. People want someone who is excited. You think you have to follow a script, that doesn’t come of well. You’re asking for rules to follow for success when your behavior should depend on the connection and vibes you have with the other person, people aren’t puzzles to crack. Try to show up more authentically
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 05:32 AM
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This is amusing because a tall nerdy software engineer can make over $100k and there’s hundreds of those in Seattle alone. And thousands under 6’0”. I’m fine with my chances. Literally every boyfriend I’ve had in my 20s and beyond has been tall and making 100-200k, these aren’t gigachads flying on private jets and dating models, these are just normal boys with average looks and mild social awkwardness. What did I bring to the table? I was their pretty girlfriend and we spent time together like n…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 04:27 PM
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Look, I’m clearly talking about present day representations of casual sex, which makes it seems empowering and liberating to hookup with strangers. Millennial women bought into this and a large majority learned a lesson, some didn’t. The reason I said women is because that was literally the question, this is focused on the sexual choices of women specifically. Zoomers are less casual, having less sex overall, there’s been a culture shift in that regard. Nowhere did I say casual sex is a new phen…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 02:48 PM
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So why do women still have casual sex then? They most likely will not get pleasure from it and it clearly carries alot of risks. It makes 0 sense yet its done anyway. People experiment and then eventually learn what works and what doesn’t. Casual sex is made to seem normal in popular media, women grow up thinking “this is what everyone does” until they realize it’s not fulfilling.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 11:54 PM
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Idk man, it’s changed my life :)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 11:04 PM
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Absurd level of reach. I got Invisalign for my teeth $6K, hair extensions ($1000 + $500 maintenance every 2 months), microblading for perfect eyebrows $1000, all things to make me look naturally more attractive. If someone would have suggested these things to me, I would have said thanks for the idea vs call them elitist. Making yourself more beautiful and/or desirable is an endeavor to improve your life. Regarding pricing, I paid in full but there’s all types of Medical credit cards with low to…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 02:55 PM
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I should have said they aren’t intrinsically or inherently unattractive by nature. But all beauty is subjective, of course
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 05:48 PM
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Signs of aging aren’t unattractive
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 03:18 PM
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Every standard I have for my partners I learned from how my father treated my mom, so I think my father would be able to pick a partner for me. Growing up, he would always tell me about what traits to avoid in order not to date losers. He had lots of opinions about who paid for dates and how to treat a partner, that’s for sure! Same with my granddad.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 06:04 AM
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This.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 02:28 AM
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But you haven't gotten that far in your journey and that's fine. The belief that your happiness (in this case, the right to bother people who don't want anything to do with you) is somehow more important than someone's personal space, sense of safety, and comfort shows a blatant lack of emotional intelligence, actually. But you recognize this, especially since you realize a lot of the numbers you get are from women who want you to go away and leave them alone. If your happiness hinges on making …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 06:47 PM
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A lot of girls will give numbers just for you to go away. So there's that Generalizations are surmised by experiences. If you think I need to meet every single man that has ever cold approached before drawing conclusions, I don’t know what to tell you. The fact that you admitted “a lot of girls” will give you their number just to get you to leave them alone, and you’re fine with putting women in uncomfortable situations, tells me everything I need to know
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 05:42 PM
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Research shows most women prefer to date slightly down in looks and up in money/career. Highly skilled careers like doctors & lawyers aren’t necessary. A guy could be a product designer, IT manager, data analyst, cloud engineer etc and clear $100-$200K. He could be 5’10, average in the face to everyone else but very attractive to his girlfriend and that’s all that matters to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 04:23 PM
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I’ll be honest, the men that approach in public are indistinguishably low value. Low EQ, uneducated, bad job. Virtually every single one of them. Attractive men with social circles, education, jobs don’t need to harass women in public, so if you’re approaching us then we assume you have social deficits of some kind. I’m genuinely shocked to hear you’ve had any success, most guys say it’s 1/10, if not 0/10.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 04:04 PM
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For example, women telling you not to approach random women because they personally don't like it at the time. This is a losing strategy for 99% of men. Approaching women in socially appropriate settings (not random women you have no business talking to) is much better advice. However, logic tells you that the more women you talk to equals the more women you could possibly get. You’re literally wasting your own time when you could be more successful talking to less women in situations where wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 08:05 AM
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A woman is attracted to a drug dealer and/or felon because those are who are in her social circle. Relationship dysfunction was modeled for her growing up and that’s what she reproduces. It’s so batshit insane how we can be talking about average, normal people and one of you guys goes “OH YEAH?!?! WELL A POOR UNEDUCATED LOW SOCIOECONOMIC STATUS WOMAN IN THE HOOD BANGS DRUG DEALERS AND FELONS, WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT?” It’s literally irrelevant, unless you want to have a conversation e…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 12:17 AM
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It’s shallow to want a partner that can contribute to a household while you raise your children ☹️ so shallow to not want to live in a box under an overpass ☹️
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 10:31 PM
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Guy has to be emotionally intelligent, kind, generous, loving, responsible, family oriented, career oriented Men: wow, it’s shallow to have requirements
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 09:55 PM
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She literally said compatibility, vibes, being on the same wavelength, having the same values, natural conversation, shared excitements, and good balance of personality. To reduce that to “tingles” is ridiculous. You expect to have nothing in common, bad vibes, forced conversation, mismatched values, poor personality match, and someone still be interested in you?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 09:52 PM
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They aren’t to me. I like introverted men
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 09:50 PM
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When guys say they like brunettes, they mean brunettes that are attractive to them. This is literally what everyone means when they talk about attractive traits. The element of physical attractiveness is implied. Everyone has different tastes and preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 09:46 PM
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You’re right, there’s absolutely nothing that man can do to make himself desirable. Not his weight, not his career, not his hairline, nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 09:24 PM
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It’s a ridiculous example. If he is only attracted to super models, he better be rich, or a well known photographer, or in the fashion industry, or adjacent to models in some way. Harry Weinstein was a repulsive fat fuck and he married someone very gorgeous. Fat men can have standards if they can obtain what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 07:11 PM
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It’s just a valid reason to not respect you and not wanna deal with you. I have a hunch no one is begging you to date them. delegate you to the “sex only zone” and give you low effort to see where it goes Thank goodness women are more choosy about who they have sex with and actively rejecting low effort men these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 07:08 PM
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Weird, because my standards have only gotten higher and the quality of relationships and experiences have only gotten better.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 05:31 PM
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You haven’t explained why I should be okay with putting more effort than the last 3 guys who you liked more who didn’t have to do much to get you to like them. Weird, because I literally said: “you work harder because you aren’t as desirable as other men she’s met, and it’s not her responsibility to repair your ego. Surprise, other men are hotter than you. How will you ever recover?” There will be women you feel more connected to, that you like more, that you want to do more things for, and that…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 05:29 PM
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I’m at a loss for how asinine your assumptions are. Mutual attraction is the starting point, without it nothing else is possible. It goes without saying that relationships are not sustained on initial attraction alone. Of course they aren’t. Committed relationships take work, dedication, and so many other things. The only point here is no one should get into a committed romantic relationship with someone they don’t want to fuck. No one is saying sex is the most important part of a relationship, …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 05:24 PM
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A genuine connection is not about someone meeting your standards or not. A genuine connection = authentic attraction, desire, interest between two people. You unfortunately don’t get to decide what people find attractive or desirable in others. Men say: “maybe you should lower your standards and try to date your equal? You are not entitled to perfection.” And who decides who a woman’s equal is? And why is it conveniently men and not women? What does it look like for a woman to be “entitled to pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 04:58 PM
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And reality says the majority of people find relationships, marriage, and partnership.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 04:43 PM
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So you’re talking about a small subset of the population then
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 03:29 PM
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80% of women are going for the top 20% of guys. 60% of women are partnered or married. The remaining single women, only 1/3rd (some estimates say 1/4) are on dating apps. Most actual upper 20% men are already married or partnered because marriage is a status symbol for the affluent and wealthy, especially for men. This 80% of women go for the top 20% men nonsense only makes sense in one context, Okcupid circa 2007 where the majority of the men on the app were guys who didn’t do well with dating …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 03:27 PM
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If he can’t get her, then they don’t have the same SMV. A popular psychologist who specializes in human mating behaviors says the best way to measure you “ranking” is to look who you’ve had relationships with. That can give you an idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 03:23 PM
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Women are fine being alone until they meet someone they like. We don’t need to lower our standards. Men are the ones who don’t want to be alone, how about they try some self-improvement? Why is the onus on WOMEN to change when they aren’t the unhappy miserable lonely bunch?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 03:21 PM
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In the scenario you describe, a woman is trying to have a monogamous relationship and the man is the problem. Why dont you have more smoke for the men abusing women that just want to love them, hmm?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 03:17 PM
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Who gets to decide women are demanding too much? And why is it conveniently you?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 03:12 PM
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But you can’t expect men not to get upset guy A didn’t even need to take you on a date to have sex It always leads back to the trope of some other guy getting sex quicker, that’s all you guys care about, that someone else on this earth happened to be slightly more sexually desirable than you at some point in time. You cannot explain to me why I should be okay with having to do 4x as much work as the last 2-3 guys. Maybe you work harder because you aren’t as desirable as other men she’s met, and …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 03:10 PM
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A woman wanting to feel genuine, authentic connection with someone that isn’t forced = entitlement Men wanting women who don’t desire them to desire them because that’s the right and logical thing to do, according to men = somehow not entitlement
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 03:05 PM
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but only with hot guys. But only with guys they find hot** Women in the same friend group don’t even like the same guys. Women like different things, we all have our unique preferences. Chads are not desirable to a lot of people. MEN find Chads most sexually attractive and desirable so they talk about them more than women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 03:47 PM
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women only fuck UP Low SES women who fuck other low SES men would like a word. The whole trope of a guy having a mattress on the floor, no bedsheets, and no job and women still sleeping with them would like to have a word.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 05:14 AM
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Why does this keep happening? but to conflate the entire sex industry with human trafficking I have said, more than once, that I am only talking about the porn industry. Additionally, the definition of human trafficking is – the use of force, fraud, or coercion to obtain some type of labor or commercial sex act. A woman who was promised $4K for a scene and received $400 is a victim of human trafficking. A woman who agreed to a soft core scene but was demanded to do penetration while being pressu…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/23 12:14 AM
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I love transition from “how do you know abuse exists in the porn industry” to “of course it does, it exists in every industry” I never said abuse and exploitation weren’t present elsewhere, but we happen to be having a discussion about one particular industry… I don’t know why it’s so uncomfortable for people to admit
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 11:30 PM
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Every comment I receive keeps conflating sex workers with the porn industry. Sex workers represent many different professions. I'm specifically talking about the porn industry. And yes, many women have been trafficked, or abused, or made to perform against their will, or coerced into performing, or underpaid/lied to about the amount they'd receive, or intensely injured/hurt, and so many other circumstances. I'm not flatly saying everyone has been trafficked, but the majority of women in pornogra…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 10:15 PM
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Is there anything remarkable or unique about people wanting attractive partners?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 08:16 PM
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Women who want men that make the same money as them and have the same level of education arent gold diggers
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 08:07 PM
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I made it clear I’m only engaging in discussion and you’re responsible for your own knowledge. I don’t need to prove a point to someone who actually doesn’t give a shit about the matter in the first place. Does that make sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 07:51 PM
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Good grief, no. If you actually care in any way, you’d literally pull up a browser and see the many organizations and studies that have stats and estimates. I am here solely for discussion, you are responsible for your own knowledge. And the fact that you won’t seek the information yourself is more than enough evidence you don’t care (you don’t).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 06:25 PM
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What if the industry is built upon the abuse and exploitation of women?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 04:56 PM
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Pervasive means it’s spread widely through the industry, it’s something that shouldn’t be in the industry at all. Its existence is inherently intrusive. And I’m talking solely about porn industry, not sex workers as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 04:56 PM
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I’m talking specifically about the porn industry. If you’re curious, please look into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 04:52 PM
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Sex trafficking is, by nature, underground, so there are only estimates. If you are genuinely curious, you can find the information via Google. And, to clarify, I’m not against sex workers. They deserve protection, rights, and safety. I’m against the violence and abuse in pornography. I’m not talking about OnlyFans. Women have been coerced and forced into camming, similar to pimps and prostitution. But again, I’m talking about pornography here. Please search porn and sex trafficking!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 04:46 PM
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That’s the point! The posters here aren’t even remotely successful with good jobs or nice apartments in Manhattan. If they had the capacity to obtain any of that, they would not be here.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 03:55 PM
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Yes, definitely. Neurodivergence can take many forms. If they fit literally every other preference but had ADHD they’d still be a normal person to me tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 03:52 PM
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Wait, you’re unaware of the pervasive coercion tactics that happen in the porn industry? By all means, Google pornography + coercion, or sex trafficking
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 03:49 PM
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We know
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 03:34 PM
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This would be similar if the majority of the restaurant staffers were trafficked, abused, there against their will, coerced into serving after applying for other jobs, had their money withheld, and a hundred other sad circumstances that are routine in the porn industry. No, it’s not like wanting to ban restaurants because if half of the shit that happens to porn stars happened to waitstaff, we probably would re-evaluate restaurants pronto And, the existence of amateur porn, safer porn, etc doesn…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 03:33 PM
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I don’t agree. People have mental issues regardless of their relationship history. Men & women with BPD somehow manage to have many relationships and sexual partners, more than average. Having partners doesn’t mean anything, it’s the person that matters. If someone has poor social skills, I wouldn’t want to date them. If they don’t have relationship history due to studies, shyness, being a late bloomer, etc, I’d let their personality define them before attributing it to mental illness. But, that…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 04:08 PM
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Because he’s conflating a bunch of things at once. Being a virgin isn’t a red flag, not having a past relationship isn’t a red flag. Two close friends (women) didn’t have their first relationship until their late 20s. A lack of social skills? Yeah, a bit of a red flag. Unattractive and not trying to be more attractive? Unfortunately also a negative.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 01:52 AM
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Women routinely go for men lacking in the looks department because they possess other traits. Men virtually never do. You see women with ugly men WAY MORE OFTEN than an attractive man with an ugly woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 07:41 PM
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If you’re talking about a romantic interest, being attracted to them matters. This isn’t revolutionary. Guys don’t date ugly women solely for their personality either
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 02:25 AM
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Oh, I see. I wasn’t trying to offend, things in the US are substantially different as you’ve pointed out. Teachers here are basically abused. In other countries, teachers are probably delightful to date. A catch, even!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 08:20 PM
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You’d probably try to date a man you found attractive in your social circle. Do you think some random guy on the internet saying you don’t deserve xyz would matter to you at all lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 04:16 PM
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That’s sweet of you to help her with her glow up.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 03:00 PM
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Modern women want the right guy for them, and modern men just cast a wide net for anyone. Guys try to get with women for sex and to pass the time without actually valuing who they are with. Women don’t want those types of relationships anymore and would rather be alone than date a guy that doesn’t actually like or value her. Y’all are in a tizzy because so many guys think it’s normal to date women they don’t like and you guys feel entitled to waste peoples time (including your own)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 02:57 PM
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Average women do not and never will deserve those men If you were a woman, what kind of guy would you chase
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 02:50 PM
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Some of us are above average sir
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 02:47 PM
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Why does a woman need to compare the men she’s dating to the swaths of destitute and uneducated men in the south if she lives in Seattle, WA? Why does she need to consider the average height of Latinos in Texas when the average height of her social network is 5’11”? People don’t need to think about raw statistics when they’re dating, it’s nearly irrelevant
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 02:42 PM
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I’m so happy to help. What part did you find most motivating?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 10:04 PM
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I like software engineers. I love tech, love hearing about the new projects they’re working on and companies they work with. I also like lawyers, the cases are (often) super interesting and it’s a sexy career. I’m not into teachers. They have terrible work-life balance (it’s not their fault) and they take a lot of their work home with them, literally. It seems like teachers are teachers 24/7 and it’s not interesting after a while. Plus, a lot of teachers are struggling.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 07:13 PM
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No, people find me interesting to both talk to and look at. My line of work is always conversation producing (research) and I’m a sweet friendly hottie. I’m also opinionated and people tell me that I’m funny
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 01:57 AM
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No, because I’m of the opinion there is someone for everyone. You want someone to do mommy things, there’s someone out there that’s going to give you exactly what you want. The quicker people realize adults have agency over the relationships they enter into, and people are ALLOWED to want whatever the f*ck they want, the better. Just like guys that complain about women having preferences. “You wouldn’t be mad if a guy said he’d only date women with big boobs?” NO. Because the quicker and faster …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 01:50 AM
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Desiring a particular dynamic doesn’t make you entitled. If you try to force unwilling participants, then maybe. But from my perspective, I see women simply trying to find the men that want the same things they do. It might also look less like entitlement because it’s a mutually beneficial dynamic. Again, certain men want to be useful, want to provide, and feel fulfilled by having a partner to be there for. The guy in this scenario isn’t losing, he is winning and getting exactly what he wants. A…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 10:26 PM
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several men commented that her bf sounded like her dad Um... my dad has never made me coffee and left it on a little tray, but my partners certainly have. This is definitely partner behavior and not parental behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 08:55 PM
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I suppose you're talking about women's desire for a provider/protector and relating that to "looking for a father." The difference is some men genuinely want to provide and protect, and feel energized, happy, and fulfilled by being this type of partner to their wives and girlfriends. It's a mutually desired dynamic that two people willingly enter into and feel gratified by. In the mommy scenario, women start with a desirable relationship dynamic with a man. Then, when they move in or get married…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 08:53 PM
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Definitely not semantics. There has never been anything enticing or exciting about having sex with a complete stranger. I've always viewed it as gross and dangerous. It's unfortunate that guys have adopted this idea that all women, no matter who they are, have had sex with someone immediately, because it's just not true. Maybe if you're on a date with someone slutty and sexually free you could think that, but I don't think it's as common as guys think it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 08:45 PM
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I have never in my life had sex with someone on a first date. Are you absolutely kidding
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 04:00 PM
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Not everyone is worth the risk, and it takes time to figure that out.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 09:51 PM
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I’m not saying they lead with their wallet, they simply appreciate being valued for what they have/have built/can provide. Hell, we can take it back to hunter gatherers. Outside of modern western ideals, men have felt a sense of duty to give to those connected with them. Of course, there are people who don’t identify with this either.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 09:49 PM
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Things should be sexual quickly. Why should things be sexual quickly? N counts matter, STDs matter, pregnancy matters, safety matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 08:56 PM
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Hey, rich men like being valued for their resources 🤷🏽‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 08:35 PM
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The average Equinox patron is more likely to be gay than at other gyms, that’s really my only point. Sure, straight men go there too. Less of them than at other gyms.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 08:05 PM
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This is not true at all. There are specific Equinoxes that are disproportionately gay So, it’s true in some circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 07:00 PM
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Regarding the TikTok, it’s because she’s at Equinox. The men there aren’t approaching her because they aren’t interested. All of my gay male friends love equinox gym
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 08:44 AM
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You are reading between the lines and assigning the least charitable interpretation to one person in the equation. It’s not a subtle way of doing anything, it’s a woman trying to humanize her sexual experience with a man who she wanted to have sex with, but who made her feel devalued. Plenty of NSA arrangements exist where the people can like each other and communicate without any expectations
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 07:36 PM
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She changed her mind because OP was acting like an asshole
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 07:34 PM
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Talking to someone like a human being is the bare minimum for interacting with them. If OP couldn’t do that, he doesn’t deserve to be having sex with anyone. You’re assigning so much stuff to this story that wasn’t there. You don’t know his value, and she didn’t want more, she just wanted humanity.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 07:33 PM
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I don’t feel entitled, I just like dating men who actually like me and want to treat me. If a guy wasn’t interested in treating, I don’t expect anything from him, we wouldn’t date. Guys with your opinion feel entitled to have women be interested in you while lacking generosity, charity, or even affection towards them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 06:08 PM
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No, she didn’t. You can have conversations and be cordial with people you’re having NSA sex with. People even have conversations and get to know prostitutes, ffs. He wanted her to come over and he just sticks his d*ck in her, and she asked to have a bit more conversation first like two human beings. That’s not changing the arrangement.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 04:21 PM
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Did we all read the same post? She didn’t ask to be dated, she asked for him to talk to her like a human being.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 04:17 PM
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She didn’t even ask to change the arrangement. She asked for OP to talk to her like a human being and he couldn’t even do that
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 04:13 PM
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The funniest thing about makeup hate is the only men who hate it are lonely men. Guys with girlfriends/wives/partners love to see their women go from au naturale to dressed up with 10/10 makeup.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 03:32 AM
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R/tinder - I was chatting with this great girl, we made plans to meet up, and then she ghosted me? Women are bitches Women only use dating apps for validation She probably had a boyfriend Girls like her have problems Girls like her have no empathy Women are this women are that Whole time it was a man pretending to be a woman
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 06:20 PM
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Most antidepressants don’t sedate you. Looking at the suicide statistics, maybe men should try to be like single women and actually get help for their sad feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 04:22 AM
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Reddit users are mostly men (~64%)… so men don’t care about other men, and it’s all women’s fault somehow?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 04:20 AM
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And then you ghosted all those guys and now they hate women and post here
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 04:15 AM
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For starters, how do you define success? If you’re looking for hookups and you’re finding them — congratulations, you’ve clearly been connecting with women who also want hookups. There’s certainly women out there who don’t want pushy men and won’t respond well to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 10:22 PM
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It’s context dependent. If someone is rushing to class and doesn’t know you, they’re going to be disturbed. If they’re studying in the library, they’re going to be disturbed. If they seem interested (genuinely smiling and making eye contact) you should feel free to introduce yourself and ask them out for coffee or drinks. If they are avoiding eye contact or not smiling, they are not interested. You don’t want to be branded as the person that harasses others on campus.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 07:59 PM
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I appreciate men that approach in socially appropriate settings, like bars, parties, social outings etc. If a man approaches in an inappropriate setting, it sets off alarms that he has low EQ.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 07:21 PM
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Culturally, the name Chad denotes privilege and Wikipedia associates Chad with “young & upperclass” so I don’t think I’m wrong here Plenty of geeks making 6 figures in Silicon Valley Speak for yourself. I love tech geeks ❤️
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 07:06 PM
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socioeconomic status
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 07:02 PM
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Are Chad’s just good looking guys? Because my perception of a Chad is a high SES attractive man with many options. Those men generally do not have offspring out of wedlock due to social pressure and cultural expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 12:28 AM
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I’m just constantly reminded that I’m talking to children on here. I wish there was a PPD for 30+
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 12:19 AM
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I think most women want a partner, they’re just not interested in dating most people The fact that OP mentions tiktok pretty boys leads me to believe the only women he considers to exist are young instagram 20somethings. Women who want serious relationships aren’t on his radar
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 09:19 PM
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I don’t speak for everyone, but cohabitating with someone you’re not engaged or married to is not desirable for a lot of women. I can see why guys who are seeking a relationship motivated by cohabitation are struggling.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 08:03 PM
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I wouldn’t agree, no, because I have a degree in the social sciences and work in social research. Abuse is more prevalent in lower SES populations. There is plenty of research on SES and domestic violence available for your consumption
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 08:01 PM
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Why would any woman go anywhere near a person like that is the question
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 06:16 PM
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60% of men are single You’re talking about men in their 20s who are mostly intentionally single, working on their careers, education, or building a life. Most men in their 20s aren’t trying to get into a serious relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 06:05 PM
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Context matters, population matters, and point in time matters. The okcupid data also pointed out how racist people are, how do you feel about that?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 05:05 AM
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You can’t be supportive of your friends when women are around because someone might feel an ick? I think the weirdest thing about this scenario is that you withhold anything from your friends in fear of an ick from someone you’re not in a relationship with and who is irrelevant otherwise. A random woman in your friend group might get an ick from you being supportive to a friend? I’ve never heard of anything that mattered less.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 11:23 PM
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Men are thirsty for sex on dating apps, nothing to see here
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 05:05 PM
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And it’s from the 2000s, for fucks sake. Completely irrelevant at this point
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 04:55 PM
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most of them dislike men, and treat male mental health as a joke Men don’t even like other men or care about male mental health. The majority of volunteers for the suicide hotline I worked with were women btw. Have you or any guys here volunteered?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 04:53 PM
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Online women showed that 80 percent of them find men ugly Can we go one day without referencing a study from two decades back that used a desktop dating site where unattractive and undesirable people were most likely overrepresented? Can we? Can we try? Okcupid in the 2000s is not Tinder, Hinge, or Bumble today.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 04:52 PM
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The fact that they had a relationship at all says enough darling
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 11:50 PM
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A gal just commented saying it happened to her
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 05:28 PM
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I get your argument, but it’s a little different here because Androids cost just as much as iPhones. There’s cheaper versions and vastly more expensive versions
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 05:27 PM
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Pictures are fine, videos look absolutely atrocious, and group chats work just the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 05:26 PM
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Hahah thank you!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 05:22 PM
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But she wasn't actually shallow because she dated you, slept with you, had a whole relationship with you despite it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 04:38 AM
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It's in-group / out-group nonsense. Cool, trendy guys and gals prefer iPhones. They prefer to have iMessage and associate Androids with the uncool and untrendy. I hate that this is a gendered phenomenon because I know for a fact if a trendy chad realized a chick had an Android he'd be turned off by it too, probably. I'm an iPhone user myself, but I prefer guys who have androids. The second I see green bubbles I know a guy is my type. 😎
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 04:36 AM
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You’re projecting your own perceptions and ideas onto me, but I don’t hold them at all. You do. The majority of the men I know are dating, partnered, or otherwise married.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 09:03 PM
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You’re projecting your own perceptions and ideas onto me, but I don’t hold them at all. You do. The majority of the men I know are dating, partnered, or otherwise married.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 08:49 PM
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Preferences are inherently shallow, but they were informed by my lived experiences. Sorry if that disturbs or upsets you
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 08:20 PM
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All I can say is that I hope your life improves, because this conversation isn’t productive or helpful to you in anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 08:19 PM
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Stop trolling and antagonizing, it’s not cute
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 04:25 PM
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Having a job is masculine? Being 5’7” is masculine?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 04:22 PM
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Exactly. Those sites were mostly undesirables and nerds :P
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 04:21 PM
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I haven’t dated a man who makes less than me since I was 23, so I did deal with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 04:19 PM
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Regarding tinder, women can barely make it through the amount of likes they get because the gender ratio is 4:1 (and as bad as 10:1 in some regions). If a woman gets 4,000 likes, there’s probably 3,000 of them she never even looks at. Tinder ITSELF pushes the most popular profiles right to the front of a person’s stack, therefore the same men get swiped on by design. It’s an algorithmic issue. There are profiles that are probably rarely shown to anyone. The problem self-perpetuates
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 03:15 PM
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First, the whole “guys are uncomfortable dating women who make more money than them” is a made up cope Weird, because that’s my actual lived experience as a woman
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 03:07 PM
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Same here. Back when I didn’t care, I made more than two boyfriends in my early 20s and their insecurities destroyed the relationship. Now, I will only date men that make more because they are much more secure. SAME with height. I didn’t care how tall someone was and dated two shorter guys as a teenager and after a couple months they started constantly mentioning my height, asking me not to wear certain shoes, literally grimacing if our height difference was more pronounced than usual. Now… I on…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 03:04 PM
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In the 2000s, it was not very efficient for hookups. It was alternative. And that’s where the data is coming from. And Okcupid was not a phone app during this study, it was literally a desktop website.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 06:40 AM
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Most people are not partnered This fact is supported by the census, I don’t know what to tell you. Females judge 80% of men as unattractive on Dating Apps Have you ever pondered the thought that unattractive or below average men may be overrepresented on dating apps? While men choose 50% of females They’re simply open to fornicate with a woman they deem passable, they don’t find 50% of women respectable, worthy of love, investment, marriage, children, and relationships. No one cares about fleeti…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 06:38 AM
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Using the female delusion calculator, an unmarried man making at least 80k and being 6’ tall is only 1.1% of the population. Who is making up the rest of this 20%? I’m waiting for you to define it because the numbers aren’t adding up. Who is included in your 20%?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 06:31 AM
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What does that have to do with most people being partnered?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 01:46 AM
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The most popular study for the misconstrued 80/20 idea was the OKcupid research done in the mid 2000s. Is it really unreasonable to assume below average men were over represented on a desktop based dating website, when in-person dating was otherwise much easier for attractive men? The male profiles in question, when you give this an ounce of thought, probably included mostly below average men to average men and hardly any “top” men at all, especially for the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 01:23 AM
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80% of women are chasing the top 20% of men. 50% of men and 50% of women are married or partnered. On what planet are 80% of women chasing 20% of men, because it isn’t here I cannot believe I was downvoted for pointing out the reality that nearly the majority of people are married or partnered, and nowhere do 80% of women chase 20% of men. Disturbing
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 01:14 AM
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But even that is not scientifically accurate. What is the operational definition of “the top 20% of men” and how can you possibly infer that 80% of women are attracted to them?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 01:13 AM
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If I’ve learned anything from this sub, most men resent women. Simps are rare, but somehow they’re ruining everything for everyone?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 03:57 PM
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We talk You mean you bitch to women online throw it back in our faces I’m sorry someone called you out for only caring about the suicide rate when you’re arguing online and literally no other time. I recognize how uncomfortable it might be to know that about yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 05:47 PM
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Elliot Roger is a great example. He was an objectively attractive and rich guy whose number one issue wasn’t that women didn’t want him, it was his own self-defeating thoughts, completely warped sense of reality, and victim mentality.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 05:37 PM
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Right, so 4 damaged women with no self-respect procreated with a felon, and you think this is a snapshot into the lives and desires of women? Honestly, it sounds like you know some low class uneducated people.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 05:32 PM
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The most suicides are from men yet you lonely guys aren’t mobilizing in any way to stop it, you only weaponize the statistic when arguing with women online, that’s literally the only time you give a single solitary shit about the suicide rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 05:26 PM
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Woman replies with the exact things that a man does to raise his social status. That doesn't matter to a man. But when I say I bring myself, my love, my adoration, my company, my companionship and partnership you guys say that’s not worth anything, either
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 01:24 AM
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It’s not an option at all. Taking on niceness is unattractive because other human beings can sense when you’re being disingenuous. But that’s just my own opinion. How has it worked out for you thus far?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 07:19 PM
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I’ve rebuilt friend groups in different cities as well. I started with joining workout groups, hiking groups, attending social events for professionals, coffee meetups, concert outings, you name it. Turns out the people who attend such events are also looking for friends, and so we find each other. And those friends introduce you to who they know and so on and so forth. I’ve lived in my most recent city for 3 years now and I literally cannot handle another friend, I have too many.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 07:16 PM
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everyone knows that the older you get, the harder it is to meet friends and expand your social circle This is an insidious and pervasive cultural narrative that needs to be challenged. The only thing that makes it harder to meet friends as an adult is the fact that you are no longer forcibly confined in a room with your peers. You now have to seek those peers out and develop relationships with them. But it’s not hard, it just requires intention and effort. If you operate from the assumption that…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 07:11 PM
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I agree, certain things matter at different intervals in the relationship. Initial chemistry is about attraction, connection, communication, vibes, and desire. Some of this is irrational and solely based on feelings and intuition. You cannot know if someone is a good person after one date or even 4 dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 07:02 PM
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Fruitful discussion is difficult here because the majority of male posters don’t understand dating, women, or even other people for that matter. I recognize a lot of the posts and thoughts here are from nice guys, people who performed niceness in hopes of getting romantic attention only to conclude, ABOVE ALL ELSE, that women must not like nice men. Being fake friendly and fake nice isn’t attractive in any gender, yet that’s every guy’s first and only “plan” to get women. They’ve all ended up he…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 04:36 PM
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Understandable, but not in my opinion. I enjoy the dynamic
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 04:16 PM
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It’s happened before and I don’t consider it an example of benevolent sexism in the slightest.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 08:45 AM
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Lovebombing is a red flag. It shows poor emotion regulation and poor boundaries. Putting someone on a pedestal just means you admire them greatly, think highly of them, find them without fault. Hell yea I want the person I'm interested in to think highly of me, even if it's delusional :P
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 05:01 AM
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Sexism? That's a reach.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 04:59 AM
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I love being put on a pedestal … by people I find attractive and interesting
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 02:39 AM
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You’re going to be shocked to learn that plenty of men like giving women money, buying women gifts, taking women out, especially if it’s the woman they both love and have sex with. Genuine gratification and satisfaction
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 07:24 PM
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A girl expected him to pay for an Applebees date once, he now thinks gold diggers are after him
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 07:22 PM
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with things such as “princess treatment only”, demanding a fancy first date, or “I want to be spoiled”. No one is demanding anything from you, they’re just looking for the men into the things they described. Those men exist, they aren’t you but they exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 12:05 AM
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That literally has nothing to do with my type.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 06:05 AM
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The fact that I don’t date men who mistreat me supports the narrative that women only like men who mistreat them, got it. My actions have always been date the kind, sensitive type. That’s literally my type
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 12:02 AM
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The actual point being that I would never choose someone who mistreats me over someone who was spineless, nice, kind, and whatever other adjective you want to use to describe them. I’m trying to have a good time in this life and being abused by someone is not part of that agenda
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 10:21 PM
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Honestly, it’s a win for me ❤️
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 09:34 PM
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A guy who is attractive and treats me well over a guy who is attractive and makes my life miserable everyyyyy day hunny
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 09:32 PM
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My dating history = all kind men who treat me well. Who the hell would want to be mistreated?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 09:31 PM
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Look, if those were my only two options I’m choosing the one with someone who treats me well
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 09:28 PM
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I think it’s just that that women would rather have a man with a spine who mistreats her than a spineless man who treats her like a princess I can assure you I would much rather have a spineless man who treats me like a princess
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 07:22 PM
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Women want men who have edge, men who are cocky and yes - even men who mistreat them. I thought women want guys who pay for dates and buy them things?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 07:21 PM
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They’re pretty closely related
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 12:18 AM
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Men aren’t a monolith, agreed But a lot of men want a traditional marriage while simultaneously wanting a wife that works and pays half the bills, who is a virgin and also a pornstar, who is hot but they don’t have to be etc
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 07:55 PM
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The sub seems to be about coddling mediocre women. HAHAHA
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 03:41 PM
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You’re arguing with me on a post that has multiple studies of scientific proof showing men need to feel above their wives in terms of career and income. And women want their husbands above them in terms of career and income. Both people have the preferences, yet your vitriol is directed solely towards women. Hmm
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 03:38 PM
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Mostly women. Men don’t look for those things as much because they prefer to date down (most of the time)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 02:55 AM
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I understand your opinion, and I don't believe they have anything to do with each other. Question – do you believe in equality?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 11:32 PM
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Projection
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 08:59 PM
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Righttt
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 05:39 PM
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I’m cognizant of my flaws. Are you cognizant of yours?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 05:38 PM
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That’s exactly my point. Guys claim to be traditional and want traditional women, but don’t want to pay for dates, and don’t make enough to even support a stay at home spouse.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 05:37 PM
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Oh, so modern men don’t want low n-count women that happen to sleep with them on the first date, beautiful women that have no standards for male behavior, women who look good but don’t care about their partner’s looks, women who let them lead the relationship while also working and paying 50% of the expenses?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 05:12 PM
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The point of this post is that men rarely prefer to date up. They are happier earning more. And I agree, women are less interested in dating down. SO IT ALL WORKS OUT.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 05:09 PM
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A progressive person, I assume, believes in equality Believing in equality for oppressed and marginalized groups on a systemic level doesn’t require you forego romantic gestures in your everyday life with your partner. Plenty of partners do ring exchanges, if that’s something you want just find someone you’re compatible with.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 04:41 PM
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Supporting progressive politics and legislation doesn’t have anything to do with wanting to get married. Atheists get married too. At this point, it mostly represents an areligious relationship commitment. Wanting a beautiful or large wedding ring, again, doesn’t negate someone’s politics. There are lab grown diamonds and various gemstones. Jewelry is pretty, it’s not that deep. Progressive doesn’t mean anti-relationship and anti-engagement ring. My progressive fiancé bought me an ethically sour…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 04:31 PM
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And a lot of modern men
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 04:24 PM
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The point being women prefer to date up and men prefer to date across/down, yet somehow the conversation is always focused on the women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 04:22 PM
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either way you should probably seek professional help. What part of my comment necessitates professional help?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 04:17 PM
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Yes, I have a relatively lonely male friend who lives 2500 miles away that I’ve known for ten years. We talk regularly, I’m very supportive of him. He pressed for a hookup recently and I said we could only be friends because of the distance. He retaliated and disinvited me from an upcoming multi-person trip because I won’t sleep with him. This is someone who is really lonely, who barely hangs out with anyone, who mentions this often. He threw away an entire friendship because I’m not interested …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 04:35 PM
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Then he should have said sexlessness
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 01:50 PM
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The attitude is "you better fix this or else I'm gonna leave you" rather than "lets work this out together" This is your perspective of reality, but I don’t see actual relationships happening this way. The common narrative I see is women trying and trying and trying for years to improve bad situations with partners who are complacent. Once a woman decides to finally leave, all of a sudden a guy expects the chance to fix things. Marriage counselors and divorce lawyers are nearly unanimous with th…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 11:09 PM
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It just so happens that most modern women are bat shit crazy Lol, there it is
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 07:49 PM
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Boundaries are personal! You can’t have boundaries for what someone else wears
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 07:47 PM
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That’s not exactly what I’m talking about. People can be outside of your type and you still recognize them as attractive human beings. I’m talking about people who do not reach your threshold of attraction whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 06:27 PM
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I agree that early on in dating, guys tend to be on thinner ice than the woman in the relationship. As nature has it, men are doing the majority of the wooing, and women often do the rejecting. Once a woman commits to a man, however, I believe she invests a lot of time in that commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 06:17 PM
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A lot of men spend years being stressed by work without attempting to improve their own situation. If someone’s partner gets fed up with the inaction, they have a right to leave. No one is entitled to neglect their partner and still keep said partner. I don’t understand this idea that emotional vulnerability is a turnoff, I think men are more critical of other men showing emotion than women. We want our men to be vulnerable and in tune with their emotions. Yes, if the only emotional range you sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 06:14 PM
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Plenty of men and women are willing to prioritize emotional attraction over physical attraction How do these people have a romantic, sexual relationship if they aren’t physically attracted to each other? How is not finding your one true long term partner physically undesirable a “happy life”?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 06:08 PM
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when superficial signifiers become seen as more important than predictors of success in long term partnerships. They aren’t more important per se, they are the barrier that must be crossed before “predictors of success“ even come into play. If someone isn’t sexually desirable or physically enticing to you, that person is not an option for a romantic relationship, it doesn’t matter how nice they are, or how many core values you have in common. If you don’t want to fuck that person, they are a fri…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 09:21 PM
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The hope is that you have built a deep enough connection that there is the trust to say "ok, we can make it through this" and moreso "I want to make it through this with you". That is how the majority of healthy committed adult relationships are. No one is leaving you for planning one bad date or having one bad haircut in a committed relationship. It’s unreasonable to expect women you’re briefly dating and barely know to give you the assurance and commitment of a longtime partner who loves you d…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 07:03 PM
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and then tip the fedora right after
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 05:39 PM
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Fudge the truth and say “I’ve dated a few people, yeah”
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 02:23 AM
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However, again in humans women don't necessarily think the manliest looking men are the most attractive. I’ve never once disagreed. I think women are more attracted to pretty men vs manly men, but that’s my own observation.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 03:06 AM
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Well except a father's genes also affect how their daughters look. They do, however, uniquely female characteristics are reinforced and uniquely male characteristics are reinforced. The propensity for potbellies and male patterned baldness would be uniquely male vs an hourglass waist and large breasts, for example. The female gaze in the animal kingdom mostly seeks males with the highest sexual dimorphism There are emerging theories about sexual selection in certain species being purely about in…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 02:40 AM
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You make an absolutely great point. In most of the animal kingdom (save a few), females are the selectors of sexual partners, therefore, through an evolutionary perspective, males get prettier and more attractive through the female gaze. In humans, males have subjugated women, raped, and controlled sexual selection for centuries. Powerful men, no matter how ghastly and undesirable in appearance, have been able to pass down their genetics through power and social force. Who are those men often se…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 08:50 PM
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It’s a trait reproduced all throughout the animal kingdom. Men woo the gal. It’s biology
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 05:11 PM
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Sure, if he’s dating teens and college aged women. Grown women dngaf about his YouTube status
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 05:08 PM
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Could you imagine 😂 sounds like the worst date on earth
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 05:07 PM
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And so many women are proud to go half
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 05:05 PM
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Honestly, I'm fine with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 01:12 AM
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I would not get ready and spend hours of my life on a date with someone I’m not into. I can buy my own food. I don’t do dinner dates generally until AFTER we are official or start sleeping together. I will say, if I am into someone and they wouldn’t do a dinner date with me until we slept together, we wouldn’t be sleeping together. My friends and family treat me all the time and I don’t have to sleep with them for it lol
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 04:53 PM
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what are the odds that you will magically generate one outside of your workplace? It’s not magic. You literally have to be a likable individual and make an intentional attempt at finding other adults to be friends with. Meetups, hobby groups, and volunteer activities are excellent ways to connect with likeminded individuals. So many people say “it’s too hard to make friends as an adult!” when they have literally never tried and I’m sick of hearing it
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 02:19 AM
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really reciprocate value or much in return. The fact that men are shaking, crying, and throwing up over women 24/7 show that they have at least some value And the fact that most men are indiscriminate doesn’t make them morally superior in any way, it just makes them more desperate. You guys try to reframe having lower sexual standards as the correct and right way to be, says who?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 07:07 AM
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If a woman is doing all the work instead, that doesn’t make her the dominant one?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 09:10 PM
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Men do all the work I read this as a complaint about having to or expecting to be dominant in the bedroom
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 07:18 PM
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This is a bizarre anecdote, but every guy I’ve ever dated has had mommy issues. There is something about me that attracts men like that and I’m in the process of working to uncover what it is. My observation is that men who grew up with present but emotionally unavailable mothers try extra hard to be good partners. They are more supportive, generous, and loving, trying to heal their own internal mother wound I suppose. But hey, wounds can manifest in many ways
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 07:00 PM
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Some women prefer to be submissive in the bedroom. If you’d prefer to be submissive instead you should be vocal about your needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 06:49 PM
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I don’t see the option to flair myself
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/23 11:36 PM
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the female women had me do a double take lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/23 11:29 PM
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This isn’t the gotcha you think it is, because I do follow this advice and advocate for all women to follow it too. I don’t sleep with men I’m not in relationships with. Trust me when I say there’s plenty of peeved men who think I should be blowing them after 1 or 2 dates. But that’s nothing a “hey, I don’t think we’re looking for the same thing. I wish you the best!” text can’t fix.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/23 03:48 PM
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This is a fascinating topic because I can assure you the majority of men posting on PPD aren’t in danger of being used for relationships, not even close. However, a woman will often use a man in the same dehumanizing way for a relationship and it's often more destructive. Only enter relationships that meet your needs, problem solved. You’ve got to ask yourself why so many men attach themselves to women they don’t even like.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 06:36 PM
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Cheapness Negativity Arrogance
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 03:22 AM
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What? You asked if I never enjoy sex, I said not with people who don’t like me. I answered your question. The point of dating is to establish a connection, attraction, desire, etc. If someone doesn’t like me enough to treat me to dinner, they don’t like me enough to have access to my body. Sorry if my standard of being genuinely liked before sleeping with a stranger is triggering for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 06:31 PM
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I don’t enjoy sex with people who don’t like me, no
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 06:17 PM
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It’s not a red flag, we’re just incompatible. I find it unattractive. Never fear, there are millions of women excited to go half or pay for the whole date, so we’d just go our separate ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 03:45 PM
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Exactly. This dude is stomping his foot about not buying food before having sex. More women should stomp their foot and say they aren’t letting a man enter their bodies until he at least likes her enough to buy her a meal. Otherwise, that man does not like her enough and she should not be sleeping with people who don’t like her
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 03:42 PM
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I was waiting for someone to realize this is just someone’s rage fantasy. She quivers with a cross between rage and shock and says “really?!”. took me out
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 03:40 PM
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She quivers with a cross between rage and shock and says “really?!”. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 03:37 PM
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Debt and generational trauma
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 07:07 AM
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Honestly, no. A gym is not someone’s personal studio. It’s annoying and shouldn’t be allowed.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 01:33 AM
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Yeah, they abuse prescription drugs.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 08:44 PM
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The women in your world maybe.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 07:28 PM
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Trashy women, sure
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 05:49 PM
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men should be trying to physically escalate hard on the first date A one-way ticket to getting slapped and blocked
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 03:58 PM
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People date around and then settle down when they’re ready, it’s true. Nothing pathological about it
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 03:54 PM
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If you have to mutilate my words beyond recognition in order to make a point, it’s you that’s coping.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 03:50 PM
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If men have a good bone structure and don't lose their hair while taking care of themselves they can look good well into their 50's. I agree, and most men don’t have good bone structure or keep their hair. So most men do not look good at 40 and beyond. Women no matter how much they take care of themselves will lose their neotenous features and collagen while aging. I understand your perception of a woman’s beauty is tied to her proximity to being a juvenile. It would make sense that the more a w…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 03:48 PM
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The only way you're more attractive as you age is if you went from fat to thin I’ve been thin my entire adult life. You’re conflating beauty with youth. I’m telling you I’m definitely more attractive now, you don’t believe it because the only thing you value is youth. I can’t convince you otherwise and don’t care to, but it’s my lived experience It's like saying you haven't hit a wall in your career when you're only being offered 10% of what you used to earn 5 years ago. I made it pretty clear t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 03:42 PM
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Lookswise men have a longer prime because of thicker skin and collagen is less important for male beauty. Most men rot like pumpkins as they age. No moisturizer or sunscreen so their skin is prematurely wrinkled and dry, beer guts, balding, out of shape, and most were never “attractive” to begin with. The idea that men age well is perpetuated by Hollywood, definitely not reality. You will not magically turn into a silver fox in a $10,000 suit when you turn 40, trust
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 03:36 PM
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top tier guys to COMMIT to her like she once could in her early 20’s. Aren’t top tier guys playing the field and not committing to anyone?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 03:33 PM
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This isn’t really a wall. I don’t know about you, but I’m smarter, more attractive, with more money, better friends, in a much better city, socializing and meeting way more interesting people in my 30s. The only reason dating is harder is because most people after 30 are off the market. That doesn’t mean I’ve hit a wall. The single men in my age group (30+) find me attractive, and no men that I know are dating women significantly younger than them except for one guy. He’s 50 and she’s 36. The th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 03:31 PM
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Then it’s normally women who come in and tell them that looks and money don’t matter and what matters is on the inside. None of the women here say this lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 11:14 AM
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I mean, be vigilant.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 11:11 AM
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Sure, you might be correct in a larger philosophical sense. However, women have their own perceptions of masculinity that color how they view men. Additionally, there are broader cultural notions of masculinity such as strength, protection, decisiveness, logical, blah blah blah.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 03:11 PM
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Cause I can Lol There’s nothing more masculine than taking care of the people who love you. There’s is nothing less masculine than treating people as threats to your masculinity
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 06:44 PM
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If no past partner would call me entitled, why should you?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 07:02 PM
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It’s a figure of speech. It doesn’t mean all I do is exist and nothing more. I’m sure you’re happy someone exists in your life
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 08:06 PM
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This highlights the major issue with your perspective. You're on the outside looking into a dynamic that isn't yours, mad that my partners and my family see value in what I bring to their lives. Of course you will never understand, because you aren't someone I know. You expect random women to have some universal utility to the broader public and that's simply not how things work. People enter into dynamics that work for them specifically. I will never be worth anything to you, but thankfully you…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 06:23 PM
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So grateful to have had partners that saw value in my existence
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 04:49 PM
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I’ve had three serious relationships in adulthood (20 - 33). My recent two partners made 3-5x more than me and both insisted on paying more of the bills because they had more funds. I paid for all the groceries, furnishings, home items, gifts, utilities, etc. They paid for all of our trips, dates, and the rent. My ex in my early 20s made 10x my salary, was quite well off, and we split everything 50/50 down to the penny. I learned men who are obsessed with fairness in a relationship don’t make go…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 11:55 AM
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This is my exact experience. My best friends have found NONE of my partners attractive and I feel the exact same about every husband/boyfriend/random hinge date they show me. It’s hilarious
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 11:37 PM
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Literally having deja vu with this
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 08:30 PM
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We can’t tell the future. You never know who is going to turn out to be a creep
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 02:19 PM
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We have to stay vigilant
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 02:16 PM
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An individual man’s preferences aren’t diverse. Guys definitely, absolutely, 100% have types
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 10:29 PM
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These days the only people I hear saying that phrase are men tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 04:09 PM
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You don’t care about real abuse victims, lol. But, to answer your question, that phrasing has entered my lexicon from a popular meme that’s circulating
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 12:00 AM
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Extreme projection. Most of the women here want to help, and every time they comment they are abused
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 11:46 PM
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mad that they passed their prime and are still alone. No woman feels this way, almost every woman is amazed at how much better life gets with age. Turns out being desirable to random men who actually don’t care about you as a person has no bearing on happiness!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 11:45 PM
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Or just kill themselves instead of asking for help (see: suicide rate)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 12:00 PM
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That Twitter thread about men that hate their girlfriends proved otherwise
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 11:58 AM
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It’s completely absurd when you think about it from that angle
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 05:55 PM
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Men have to work harder to be desirable, while women have to exist. This is replicated all throughout the animal kingdom, blame biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 02:54 PM
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Most people aren’t compatible for relationships because most people aren’t just interchangeable parts. This is always missing from the dating discussion while being a fundamental aspect. Even a guy who is “attracted to 80% of women” might not be a good fit for 75% of them due to differing core values, politics, lifestyle, age, region, interests, sexual desires, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 02:52 PM
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By the time you get to Walmart hopefully you will have gained the ability to actually see the people around you. This line 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 02:50 PM
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Saying lesbians “don’t really do” a lot of meaningless sex is equally as ambiguous because you’re not able to say what % does and what % doesn’t, if we want to be annoyingly critical
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 02:28 PM
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I did answer, pointing out someone’s height repeatedly, especially calling her “tall” is most likely negative and a thinly veiled criticism
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 04:13 AM
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There doesn’t need to be an answer. As someone who got called “tall” often by men, it was always negative and a thinly veiled criticism. This is obvious
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 02:08 AM
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Is he trying to make you feel some kind of way by repeatedly calling you tall?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 12:45 AM
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It only needs to be a “mild preference” because most men are taller than most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 12:44 AM
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Do you think he’s affectionately calling her tall
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 12:40 AM
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but sometimes he says that I’m “tall” Why is he allowed to call you tall disparagingly but you can’t call him out on it?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 08:30 PM
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Um, she’s considered one of the most talented but definitely not one of the hottest. Absolutely not.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 08:27 PM
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Exactly, men still have a preference for women shorter than them so “there are plenty of dudes who would date taller women” is nice to know, but still a minority group
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 08:10 PM
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As a tall woman, I have been confronted with this preference my entire life. Men I’ve been interested in have rejected me for my height, actual partners have voiced that they wished I was shorter, guys have been negatively commenting on my height and how it makes me unattractive/undesirable since 5th grade. Men like to virtue signal and say they don’t care about height, but that’s because the average female height is 5’4” to begin with. When actually confronted with choosing between a tall woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 08:07 PM
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Affluent women date similarly affluent men, those men can be richer and more successful. Nevertheless, they can still be in the same social group. As a woman who has dated men for 15 years, accomplished and affluent men care very much about the social capital their partner brings. No genuinely affluent man is dating a barista or waitress because they’re a good person. A middle or working class guy with a professional/high paying job does not have the same social pressures to date a certain type …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 05:28 PM
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very logical person and physical attractiviness doesn't matter for me Logically, how do you have sex and feel desire for someone that you don’t find physically attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 03:03 PM
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There are plenty of promiscuous lesbians, believe me
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 03:01 PM
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I'm a professional (not at that level though) and we all just go for decent girls. The upper classes care very much about a woman’s career and education. The only men who don’t want educated women are lower class men that are intimidated by women knowing anything at all, because then they’d know that they could do better.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 02:59 PM
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Trust me, no one here is a physician, lawyer, or banker.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 01:42 AM
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I understand that it’s disturbing to learn women can both expect and enjoy high quality experiences while getting to know someone. It may be even more disturbing to learn plenty of men prefer the same dynamic. Be glad your wife had no expectations of you in that regard and rejoice in the fact that you two were perfect for each other. But not spending money doesn’t make you morally superior. Money is neutral, and for some people it’s no object.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 05:51 AM
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There aren’t enough hot men for trophy husbands
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 05:08 AM
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Nice date is subjective. And the men I date would never consider a stroll a date.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 04:01 AM
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And I’m letting you know all of my serious boyfriends took me out on nice dates from day 1.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 03:24 AM
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It’s a lot, we agree 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 03:20 AM
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$200k a year is a lot of money, but it is not rich darling.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 02:30 AM
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I… don’t follow your logic at all. What does pumping and dumping have to do with dating
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 10:10 PM
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This is true. Research shows men care less about the sexual satisfaction of women they are solely hooking up with. They are intentionally more selfish during hookups
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 07:52 PM
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And the guys that do aren’t even rich megachads. A nerdy software engineer can make $200k and treat his girlfriend to nice dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 07:49 PM
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Do whatever works for you, darling. I like men who see me as someone they want to treat well from day one.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 07:46 PM
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The hilarious thing that many PPD men fail to realize is that there are plenty of guys that genuinely enjoy treating the women in their lives and have the means for it not to be an issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 07:34 PM
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We never went to a "fancy" restaurant when we were dating. How long did you two date never having entered a nice restaurant?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 07:27 PM
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Wouldn't it make more sense that both parties would want their incomes to match so neither party is "dead weight" so to speak Men like making more money than their wives and feel resentful when their wives make as much or more. You can search for that study yourself. Women like men that make more than them. It seems like a dynamic that works for the majority of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 04:56 PM
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OP makes a dogshit post filled with nonsense and hypotheticals, then asks every response to back up their arguments with sources and proof. It’s comical
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 04:52 PM
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I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 09:36 PM
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With that being said, why do you feel like you know more about relationships than people who actually have them?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 09:15 PM
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I can tell you’ve never been in a relationship with someone who was into you. It’s so weird how PPD is filled with men with no actual experience in relationships who feel like they’re an authority on them. As someone who has been in more than one relationship before, finding your person distinctly feels like they’re a 10. The connection, the chemistry, the mutual love and adoration, that is a unique feeling that can’t be replicated with random attractive strangers. Please, get some experience wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 07:34 PM
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Try only dating women who are attracted to you and get back to us
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 04:19 PM
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And most men don’t find most women attractive either, but no one talks about that. Most men would not be in a relationship with, love, support, and/or marry the majority of women. They’re either the wrong age, the wrong race, the wrong height, the wrong weight, so for men to sit up on their high horse and complain about the nonsense 80/20 rule is just absurd. A guy willing to stick his pecker into most women out of desperation and horniness isn’t an admirable or charitable trait. I don’t know wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 04:16 PM
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I don’t know about you, but most men 18-29 aren’t desperate for relationships and marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 04:10 PM
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Attractive people’s actions are interpreted differently The world already knows this. What’s the point?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 04:08 PM
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Everyone is someone else’s 10. Find the person who is attracted to you and thinks you’re hot shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 04:08 PM
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Exactly. “Hello” from a man who is ogling you is an intrusion. That man isn’t standing on the corner saying hello to other men, he’s saying hello to women he’s sexually appraising as they walk by. This is not a difficult dynamic to grasp, and it shouldn’t be difficult to understand why this can make a woman uncomfortable.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 05:37 PM
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Truly incomprehensible to me, 95% of people can’t be okay with having sex with strangers.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 03:39 PM
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I literally could not fathom having sex with someone I just met, but sure
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 06:47 AM
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Who is telling you guys this
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 11:34 PM
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Were you on the message boards or the teen chat rooms
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 11:33 PM
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Perplexing
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 06:27 PM
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And that is not impressive
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 04:55 PM
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find it so fucked up that criminals are more likely to be sexually successful than, for example, the average nerd or shy guy I don’t consider criminality a sexy trait. But for arguments sake… Sexual success = sexually attractive. Do nerds and shy guys have any inherent sexually attractive traits?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 04:52 PM
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You don’t think you need to have chemistry, connection, compatible communication styles, and similar relationship expectations etc etc etc etc to date someone?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 03:46 PM
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Weird how 50% of men happen to be married or partnered when only 10% of men are given attention
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 02:52 PM
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Because a woman's "below average" was completely unreasonable in the first place. 80%? as below average? Really? Is it really that farfetched to you that below average men were over-represented on a desktop dating website in the 2000s?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 02:50 PM
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Finally. Most men are not actually attracted to most women, they simply aren’t. Everyone has a type
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 02:48 PM
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in fact many of those criminal men have a rich sexual life. Women date the men in proximity to them. If the men in a particular woman’s community happen to be criminals, perhaps you’re talking about a low SES woman. She’s uneducated, near the poverty level, no opportunity, and can’t do any better for herself. You expect her to select partners based on the standards and expectations of an educated, high SES woman? I hate how when talking about dating and what women want, you guys always mention c…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 02:46 PM
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If a woman has 100 matches in her inbox, her attention is split between a hundred conversations. A ‘hey’ makes sense, you can go from there, it’s not hard. If you hate ‘hey’ so much just unmatch and don’t respond, I’m sure she won’t notice
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 02:34 PM
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Do you think you actually have chemistry, common interests, compatible communication styles, similar romantic desires, and similar relationship expectations with at least 50% of your college campus?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 02:33 PM
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It’s not that deep chief
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 05:08 AM
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Only like 30% of adults use dating apps and the large majority of that 30% are men
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 03:39 PM
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I didn’t see your thread so I’m not sure of the conversation there, but did anyone mention that OKC does include body type filters and you can very much select “slim” people only?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 02:32 PM
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I appreciate you admitting to this. It supports my theory that men are on dating apps and half the time they are talking to another man and don’t even know it. You guys ghost each other and then get mad at women at large. It’s the spider man pointing at spider man meme
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 02:30 PM
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My apologies, you said “women care very much about looks” and that’s how I interpreted your statement. If you didn’t mean that looks matter above all else, what are some things you believe women care about more than looks/physical attributes?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 03:13 PM
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So we’re just going to ignore that women are often the better looking partner in most couples, women date old men, ugly dudes have girlfriends if they’re rich and cool, but looks matter more than anything
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 02:57 PM
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So all the women that prioritize dating 6 ft men, what are they lying about? Sounds like they’re being very open about their physical preferences
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 02:54 PM
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Really? Because when women talk about their preferences for men, y’all are mad at that too
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 02:53 PM
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Nothing drastic because only 12% of adults meet online to begin with People will be more emotionally healthy, that’s for sure
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 05:12 AM
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Which generations do you deem relevant and irrelevant? Because I’m in my 30s and data shows that 50% of men in their 30s+ are partnered. Pretty sure they didn’t get married in the 1980s when they were infants
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 05:07 PM
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Women only allow chads to be eligible. The fact that checks notes over 50% of men are married or partnered begs to disagree
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 03:24 PM
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Would you have a relationship with 70% of women? Would you introduce them to your friends and family? Would you invest time, resources, and attention into 70% of women? Probably not
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 02:14 PM
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But on an individual level, women can be too picky for their own good And why do you think you know what’s good for any individual women? If someone prefers to be picky over settling for someone they aren’t into, that will always be the right choice. The only people who benefit from women being less picky is men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 02:12 PM
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You can be your authentic self and also take pride in your appearance. Investing in yourself is the highest level of self-love imo, and everyone should aspire for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 07:56 PM
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Only 12% of people meet on dating apps, male profiles are hideously over represented, so no, it’s not a good reflection
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 07:13 PM
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Women who say they enjoy being single, really are talking about being in serial FWB relationships and situationships. No tf we aren’t. What part of single and being alone don’t you understand?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 05:24 PM
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Fascinating, because when women say they want to date men who are well off, charming, 6’, making six figures, and well endowed you guys have a huge problem with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 05:17 PM
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From my observation, the conversation has always been that looks aren’t the only thing that matters, especially when it comes to longterm relationships. You and plenty others seem to have taken that as “looks don’t matter at all” — very few people say or believe this, but your entire argument hinges on the idea that women collectively say this. Are some women attracted to toxic men? Yes. Are some men attracted to toxic women? Yes. You’re more mad at women being attracted to destructive men than …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 06:43 PM
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Yeah, if someone doesn’t find you physically attractive they probably won’t be interested in you romantically, this isn’t mind blowing. Women aren't the moral compass that they think they are. And men are?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 06:36 PM
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what does and doesn't give them "the spark" isn't always congruous with what is rationally good for them This isn’t unique to women. Men routinely go for chemistry and sexual desire/attraction over relationship compatibility and personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 05:56 PM
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No, I would not. Dating an unemployed individual doesn’t fit my interests, hobbies, or lifestyle. My partner would have to make the same or more money than me
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 05:41 PM
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It’s not an excuse. It’s about the illusion of safety. Women want to feel protected, so they want someone taller and bigger than them as a partner. If it was solely about pure physical defense, they could get two Rottweilers. But it’s not, it’s about sexual attraction and feelings… relatively illogical, but attraction can be that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 04:52 PM
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You made a great point then. The reason women date womanizers is because they initially hide that fact in the early stages of the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 04:45 PM
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That's exactly it, male attention is now cheap and unremarkable. Consider a student applying to 100 colleges; they're simply trying to secure admission anywhere. Their focus is divided among 100 entrance essays, and their entire approach, demeanor, and choice of words reflect this desperation. Eventually, they gain acceptance from a college equally desperate for attendees, willing to settle for being just one of 100. Now, envision another student applying to just 10 colleges. They're determined …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 09:21 PM
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There are men in my social circle in the exact same position as me, who now have friends and connections after moving here. You’re committed to the narrative that you have no agency in your own life, that you’ll never have friends or a partner, and that is what you shall continue to have. You can’t tell me it’s not possible when I see other men doing it with my own eyes. We’re all over here doing the things you say can’t happen, funny how that is.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 03:46 PM
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force yourself to do things and hobbies that you don't like Has it dawned on you to do things that you do like? I moved to an entirely new state at 30 and have more friends now than when I was in high school. It’s definitely possible, but not if you’re committed to being miserable and alone. You seem married to the idea that finding connection is hard or next to impossible so that’s the self-fulfilling prophecy you’ll continue to create.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 09:27 AM
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Come to the sudden and profound realization that not having friends is the actual issue you should prioritize above all else.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 08:21 AM
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I never once mentioned nice guys, just socially competent guys. And I’m always genuinely curious about the fact that because some women are attracted to womanizers, that must mean no women want socially competent, kind, respectful men. And womanizers aren’t universally successful with women. They just happen to go after targets with low self-esteem, low self-worth, and poor social support. I would never be attracted to one. What would that person add to my life? What would my friends, family, co…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 08:13 AM
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Right! It’s a great stat to consider. Online dating actually accounts for just 12%. The rest is through work, school, or being introduced by friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 12:13 AM
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The more you approach, the higher your chances are. There are two types of men in this world. Men that know women, associate with them, have them as friends, and see them as autonomous human beings worth respecting, cultivating relationships with, and getting to know. … and men so far removed from understanding women that they think cold approaching thousands of strangers is the only option unless you have status. If you have to approach women thousands of times for any success, let that be a le…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 02:07 PM
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then how the fuck are men supposed to know It’s a learning process that couples do together if you cant trust any guy enough to talk to him you probably arent ready for sex and need to work on yourself You can trust and love someone and still have trouble articulating your desires. Give me a break
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 02:50 PM
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Wow, I had that exact experience. I say I don’t enjoy oral that much and they do it anyway. So weird
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 02:14 PM
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The narratives that a woman receives about sex impact her heavily. Women are basically led to believe sex is done to her, her virginity is taken from her, so, yeah, in early sexual experiences a lot of women do just lay there in confusion. In doing so, they learn that men get off regardless. Most guys don’t actively complain about a woman being a starfish to her, so the woman goes on to think that’s just how sex is. Not all women automatically understand their sexual pleasure. It may take years …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 02:08 PM
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It’s not about what I think. It’s about what the stats say. And the stats say most men are actually partnered or in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 05:45 PM
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Yes, height is a sexually dimorphic feature that women often find attractive in men, similar to how men like women with big boobs, long hair, skinny waist, etc. What is the problem with women finding tallness sexually exciting and attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 03:33 PM
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50+% of adult men are married or partnered. 1 out of every 2 men. Women don’t have a pulse on this male loneliness because it’s not as dire out there as your fatalist worldview believes it to be
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 01:07 AM
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I do see this, actually. On r/tinder, posts about height are swarmed by women who say height doesn’t matter, how their partner/husband/boyfriend is x height and the best person they know. Plenty of women talk about how they like big guys, there was a viral wave of videos about “big bois” and girls showcasing their chubby boyfriends. Search on Reddit, you’ll see lots of women say they like “skinny men” as well. Personally, I like baby faces and conventionally unattractive men. I hate beards. But …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 09:47 PM
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Less people want to date and start families because of the reasons above. It makes sense
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 07:51 PM
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So now the US reproduction stats are among the worst in the world according to your claims. Because the US has curated an inhospitable environment for reproduction. See below: the highest mother-infant mortality rate in the developed world the worst healthcare of the developed world the most expensive healthcare of the develop world no universal maternity leave no universal paternity leave no subsidized childcare the highest childcare costs of the developed world Tell me, who would want to procr…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 06:57 PM
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The most important thing you all need to consider is the fact that mobile dating statistics do not translate to the real world. Women consider 80% of men ugly on dating apps. Have you considered that maybe unattractive men are over represented? Regardless, that’s mostly irrelevant when you realize people pair off 1:1. Do you want your girlfriend to find every other man on earth sexually attractive or do you want her to be attracted to you because you two have unique chemistry? Romantic attractio…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 06:51 PM
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Because even men like other tall men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 01:03 PM
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Okay you’re correct, all women unanimously like beards without any variance in opinion whatsoever. l could really care less since am not dating majority of women Huh? This isn’t about you specifically. We’re talking in the broader sense
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 12:10 AM
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Plenty, but not a majority
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/23 11:05 PM
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Plenty of women prefer clean shaven men. Beards are not attractive on everyone
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/23 10:25 PM
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True, this is a common sentiment on the internet from a vocal minority. However, look at what actual couples are doing. Heterosexual couples see a near even split of rent, utilities, living expenses unless one partner is a stay at home parent. Couples where one person shoulders all of the expenses are not the norm, not today, not at all. In dating, pre-commitment, and courting, I agree 100% that men invest significantly more financially. Once someone is in a committed relationship, however, the …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 10:30 PM
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A woman breadwinner is the literal opposite of hypergamy
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 09:02 PM
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Women spend more than men because they are usually responsible for groceries, furnishings, buying clothing, supplies for children, and the majority of other household items. Men “spend less” because they have wives and partners to do it for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 09:01 PM
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Men pay for women because that’s the social norm. The current social norm is for both people to contribute. Genuine providers are few and far between.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 05:21 PM
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As a woman on a dating app, the profiles of men that describe themselves as “educated, fit, good looking” always belong to short, bald, overweight stocky men. It’s comical at this point
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 04:48 PM
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Meeting your wife in a bar = a place where people explicitly go to socialize with others. That’s not quite the same as cold approaching, but go off sis
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 09:58 PM
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Classmate, friends, coworkers, friend of friends, not mad darting across the street to harass a woman at a bus stop
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 07:11 PM
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Can we have a show of hands for the men who have had any success (sex, dating, relationships) from randomly approaching women in public. REPLY BELOW ⤵️
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 03:08 PM
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You’re downvoting me because my lived experience as a woman doesn’t fit your ideas? Genuinely absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 10:15 PM
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I’m 5’8” and have been told I was too tall by plenty of guys, even two ex boyfriends
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 08:17 PM
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Most women dont find most men attractive at all. Because a lot of women have desire that needs to be activated. Random unwashed men don’t just turn women on randomly
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 08:12 PM
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And you’ll get different answers depending on that woman’s race, her social circle, her location, everyone perceives ‘average’ differently depending on heir circumstances
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 08:11 PM
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??? relationships should be 50/50 You carry the babies for the first 4.5 months, she carries them for the remainder. Easy peasy 50/50 split
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 10:51 PM
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The legal apparatus is tied to how marriages occur in our society. You can’t have a traditional marriage without that aspect.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 07:51 PM
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Sorry for not performing my jester role in your royal court, your highness
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 02:25 PM
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Women love bullies/cheaters/beaters/criminals/murderers. No, we dont
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 06:44 AM
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I literally just said someone can ask me my weight at any time. I don’t know how you interpret that as “crying”
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 05:45 PM
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But the point is that weight is much easier to control than height. No one, and I mean no one, is debating this. The question is why you think it matters to someone when they’re deciding who they find attractive or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 05:44 PM
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Most people don’t know their body fat percentage unless they do a dexa scan or similar. I’m not worried about guys asking my weight, I’m 125 lbs and 5’8”. Ask anytime!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 04:50 PM
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but the reality of the matter is that the fat woman's situation is better But the fact that it’s “better” doesn’t matter. Sure, an obese woman can slim down. But a shorter than average, charismatic and handsome guy has a higher quality of life than a 400 lb unattractive woman. There are so many different variables and all of them are irrelevant to the matter at hand. Guys can’t do anything about their height. So. What.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 04:45 PM
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You can make that movie if you want
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 04:37 PM
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Exactly, guys here are trying to say it’s logical they care about weight because it’s controllable and illogical for women to care about height because it’s non-controllable. What kind of nonsensical mental gymnastics is that? Regardless of the trait being controllable or non-controllable, someone can have a preference for it. I bet 99% of the men here have a clear race preference when it comes to women, do you think they care that race is a non-controllable factor then? I bet not.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 02:41 PM
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Sounds like you’re well above average attractiveness, which most men aren’t. And you take care of your skin, which most men don’t. You’re ahead of the game
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 03:57 PM
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Are the men aging like wine in the room with us right now
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 03:55 PM
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I beg to differ, but I recognize that I may be biased. My perception of the average older man includes a gut, balding, poor health, poor style choices, bad skin, and not so great teeth. Most older women take care of their skin, clothing, hair, nails, teeth, etc and therefore tend to look more put together in my opinion. Look at Hugh Grant and Brad Pitt, both look like they’ve never used a drop of moisturizer in their entire lives… and they’re rich celebrities. Men have no idea how to preserve th…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 03:52 PM
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Do you think women wanted their boyfriends to be taller than them before instagram happened?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 10:31 PM
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Your idea of a woman is a 21 year old who is obsessed with instagram
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 10:26 PM
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Another day that ends in ‘y’ where PPD is angry that women only want to be approached by men they’re attracted to :(
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 10:24 PM
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You literally just said that, and I told you no one would think like that and to make a post. What is this, Groundhog Day?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 12:44 AM
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Because I think if it the situation was "reversed" as you posited, the ladies of PPD would immediately close ranks around a woman who got an abortion without telling/discussing it with her partner, and "HOW DARE ANYONE QUESTION THAT!" , etc. You have made up scenarios in your head that aren't even true. I can almost guarantee you 100% of women on PPD would say "it's ultimately my decision to have an abortion, but I'd at least speak with my partner first" because most of the women here aren't com…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 11:39 PM
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It’s ultimately his choice, that’s obvious. if he doesn't want to talk it over, then that's how it goes. Totally healthy normal response to happen within a partnership /s For what it’s worth, if the commenter was pregnant and decided to get an abortion without telling her husband, I would also think she owed her life partner a discussion. I don’t know why you’re using his body, his choice as some sort of gotcha
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 05:33 PM
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It’s his body, his choice, and he also could have simply talked to his life partner about it. Both things can be true 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 03:55 PM
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Not even a conversation in passing?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 06:14 AM
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I’m not making a moral judgment here, nor am I trying to look like a good person. I’m explicitly saying that yes, more things matter than just someone’s height in space. You’re saying my comment is “literally just as shallow” but I was never arguing that it wasn’t shallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 03:06 AM
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If I look at someone and don’t find them visually attractive, I’m swiping left. I just don’t find that many people attractive to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 10:08 PM
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But you don’t have to worry about that. Let individual women live in their delusion. I’m one of those people who prefers guys over 6 ft (because I’m tall myself) and my new hinge profile has 15 matches instead of 200+ like my close friend. I’m currently dating one of those 15 because I don’t need to choose between thousands of men or find thousands of men attractive. You only need one.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 04:19 PM
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I swipe left on 99% of tall men on dating apps because being attracted to someone is more than just their height in space.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 04:12 PM
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As a general rule, people don’t like being touched or pawed at by strangers. If there is natural chemistry, attraction, and connection then feel free to touch or go for a kiss. If you touch someone for the sole purpose of “escalating” because you think you have to, it’s awkward, uncomfortable, and downright weird. Don’t do that shit. People need to stop believing there’s some cheat code to dating success. Inauthenticity, forcefulness, being creepy, crossing boundaries, these are not the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 10:18 PM
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They need women to realize that preferring a certain height is “irrational”
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 07:21 PM
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Sexual attraction and compatibility are like … the two most important foundational aspects of a relationship. If you’re not sexually attracted nor romantically compatible with another person, they are just a friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 07:18 PM
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It’s irrelevant. What I find attractive is what I fond attractive. Finding someone attractive comes first, love and everything else follows. Height is a dealbreaker because I, myself, am above average height. This isn’t some moral deficit… looks matter to some degree to virtually everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 07:16 PM
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not the one's that could actually be a good fit for you. Why do you think you know what’s a good fit for someone?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 05:15 AM
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Enhancement and beautification = the inherent nature of makeup. Its use predates recorded history. If something is engrained in a culture for thousands of years, its use can’t possibly be considered “deceptive.” It’s not a secret.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 12:30 AM
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Most men like their partners to look good, it’s social capital. Some guys complain when their women stop wearing makeup.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 09:49 PM
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Exhibit A of my constant assertion that the only thing men want to be valued for is sex
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 09:32 PM
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My only point was for you to consider the scenario and answer if anyone is obligated to be attracted to those people. The answer is most definitely no. It doesn’t matter if someone’s height or weight is beyond their control. People can find whatever they want attractive/not attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 10:18 PM
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What if someone was fat because of a medical reason (medications, hormones, etc) Are you obligated to find them attractive then because it’s something out of their control?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 08:47 PM
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Speaking for myself I'm more attracted to taller women, all other things equal. And you are the exception, not the rule. I’m 5’8” and I’ve been rejected for my height by men both taller and shorter than me. Men generally want to date short women, although outliers exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 08:38 PM
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No, that is how women use it in conversation. Men just perceive it negatively because the only thing they want to be valued for is sex, akin to a chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 02:58 AM
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YES. And women are telling you guys this over and over. Yet all of the men are preoccupied with thinking husband material means something bad because that’s how they see “wife material” - someone to use who they have so/so sexual interest in.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 02:08 AM
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Women consider men husband material when they are both attractive/hot and great partners all in one.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 02:05 AM
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Guys do actually do this with cheap, inexpensive, and low effort dates. They’re holding back what they’d give in a relationship, waiting for a woman to deem herself worthy. This is guys trying to have the upper hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 02:26 PM
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Attractiveness is not a pass/fail, there are objective elements to it but it’s mostly subjective and depending on the individual person. I know I’m attractive bc random strangers tell me I’m beautiful & people tell me I look like a model all the time. But I’ve also looksmaxxed, I have great skin, perfect teeth, and perfect hair that are all intentional. I’m nearly 5’9 barefoot and slim. But even with all of the above mentioned attributes, you may take one look at me and not find me particularly …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 04:53 AM
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Most men don’t desire me, even as an attractive woman. Your scenario is sad. I would never go to a party and try to chat up every cute guy because I’m not weird. There is nothing normal about a guy at a party going from girl to girl to girl, either.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 03:22 PM
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Matches aren’t instant. They roll in over time
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 02:45 PM
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I’d go one further and say instead of approaching women randomly in public, try approaching in contexts where communicating with strangers is actually normal and expected. There isn’t one PPD subscriber that has had any sexual or relationship success by cold approaching a woman on the street. Bars, parties, work, school, meetups, sports leagues = better chances.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 02:23 PM
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People are still mostly partnered and/or married even if the numbers are decreasing.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 01:08 AM
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Plenty of women are perfectly happy with average men, which is why the majority of adults are partnered and/or married already.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 09:31 PM
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Engagement ring expectations are a discussion that should be had early on in a relationship. If two people don’t align then they shouldn’t be together. They don't usually get anything in return. They get an entire wife, life partner, and mother for their children Sometimes the ring is seen as "not enough" Again, men should only buy rings and propose to women who are aligned with their values
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 04:08 PM
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Feminists are preoccupied with things like oppression, violence, and laws that impact bodily autonomy. Engagement rings are a personal choice made between a couple. If your partner’s expectations don’t align with yours, then you shouldn’t be marrying that person. Search any reddit post about engagement rings and you’ll see a near unanimous consensus from the women here that they’ve significantly deemphasized their importance and have very inexpensive rings. Engagement ring expectations are also …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 04:04 PM
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Men are similar. They chase really attractive women in their 20s and then settle down with women who make good wives in their 30s - 40s. I feel as if both genders have the same behavioral pattern but people are only critical of the behavior in women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 12:45 AM
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Men are bent out of shape that most women don't find them attractive. They feel entitled to the attraction of everyone they think is in "their league." Women work on being more attractive, it's true, but it's not to attract the most amount of men possible. Women are only looking to attract men they are interested in in the first place, and women are selective.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 04:15 PM
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That’s what make men and women fundamentally different. Men are trying to appeal to the largest amount of women, or at least feel entitled to appeal to them, and women are trying to appeal to the one.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 01:27 AM
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His height, career, and status do absolutely nothing for me because he’s not my type and he’s not attractive to me. Women like different things in men, there’s no explicitly objective way to make a woman attracted to a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 01:13 AM
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The apps fail to do anything about the terrible male female ratio (classic nightlife strategy would be free premium/free extra features for women to get them to sign up) And some absolute dunce will sue every dating app that does that
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 09:40 PM
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A 3 or 4 woman will still get attention from 6 or 7 men. Thus she thinks she is a 6 or 7. Why are you guys so convinced this happens? Men don’t even acknowledge women they don’t find attractive. A 3 or 4 man will NEVER get attention from a 6 or 7 woman Money and status changes this quite quickly. Money and status does absolutely nothing for unattractive women
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 02:20 PM
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hence the 80/20 rule. The 80/20 rule isn’t some proven law. It uses dating app data where men have horrible pictures and where below average men are over-represented.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 02:17 PM
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The posts on here get worse and worse every single day
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 10:55 PM
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^ this
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 10:53 PM
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Why do you think women are delusional about their appearance?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 08:14 PM
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The average man is also overweight
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 08:13 PM
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So much of Sigmund Freud’s psychosexual development theories have been refuted. In fact, it’s regarded as the bizarre sick nonsense of a coke addict.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 11:40 PM
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but i think it’s pretty universal that most women are taught to be distrustful or even fearful of men they don’t know. Women get two modes of education on this topic - they’re taught from others and they learn from personal experience. The amount of men who are creepy and threatening to women over her lifetime are significantly higher than the amount of women who are creepy and threatening.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 11:32 PM
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As a tall woman who prefers tall men, I 100% agree with you. I swipe left on the majority of tall men because I don’t find them attractive. Their height cannot make up for this fact. A 5’11 guy who was super my type vs a 6’4 guy who was eh looking but not my type, I’d choose the 5’11 guy every day of the week. Again, I’m tall myself so I don’t go shorter than 5’11. The goal is to be ATTRACTED and excited by your partner :)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 09:00 PM
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I agree with this
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 08:59 PM
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I waved goodbye from the gene pool when I decided to be child free in my 20s. 🤝
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 03:22 PM
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If I'm not mistaken, the average male height is noticeably higher in Western European countries (Netherlands, Germany, etc.) than in the USA This explains why it’s less of a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 12:32 AM
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So tall men being promoted by other men over short men is just a coincidence
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 11:52 PM
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Genuine question, why do you think a preference means you hate short guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 09:07 PM
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I’ve heard this from many tall guys. There was also a study about the traits men value in other men and I can’t find it for the life of me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 08:59 PM
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“Finding someone who will love me that meets my standards is difficult” just made the claim, no one came to arrest me
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 08:54 PM
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When you require the person who likes you to also be tall, make good money, have a career you like, be ambitious, be confident, etc. Then it becomes a lot harder to find someone who is interested within the small pool of people who meet all those qualifying traits Women have made it abundantly clear that we don’t care if our standards make it more difficult, we’d rather have our standards than the wrong partner. It’s our life and we are literally choosing to find compatible love vs the any-warm-…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 07:25 PM
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