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I am not fully convinced with the "we were slaves but now we're not!" argument that's being thrown around so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 02:37 PM
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I don't think it's about "not chasing" but changing the pursuit entirely. As cultural conditioning breaks down, men start seeing intimacy as something more humane, shifting away from pure sexual conquest and moving toward emotional depth and non-transactional connection. By stepping into this new standard, men naturally become more selective. Women are already actively seeking and rewarding these characteristics more and more.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:54 PM
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Yeah, I agree it's not sustainable. It's falling apart because men are finally burning out from chasing a fake carrot. The archetype of the hyper-productive "millionaire who fucks chicks" is just heteronormative messaging designed to keep men running on a corporate hamster wheel and driving consumerism. The system forces men to consume, buy presents, and hustle to the point of exhaustion just to feel worthy of connection. I am not sure exactly what comes next either. Maybe more local micro-econo…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 02:57 PM
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Dismantling this heteronormativity means men stepping out of the systemic trap that pushes them to always be hyper-thirsty. The "boys will be boys" messaging tells men they need to be chasing sex constantly, which completely tanks their leverage and autonomy in the sexual market.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 02:51 PM
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Hey, great argument buddy. It's always the women that don't live in Afghanistan that are calling out the men there. You're totally right.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 02:43 PM
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No, sadly the process would still be in the "dismantling" phase, so the old situation is being broken down and torn apart, but the new situation is not fully there yet. We are stuck in the limbo.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 02:36 PM
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What you are calling 'male disengagement' is actually just the friction of men refusing to adapt to a world where women are no longer forced to be the prize for economic participation. The current 'sexual market disequilibrium' is just the growing pains of men who haven't got the memo that the old contract is void. What comes next is some form of a "queer utopia" defined by a myriad of voluntary sexual identities and varied relationship structures, rather than forced binary compliance. Or someth…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 02:25 PM
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You wouldn’t give the car keys to a drunk person.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 09:05 AM
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Exactly. If you want to retaliate you can conflate all feminism in the same way. Misandrist Youtuber saying all men should die? Feminist. Woman kills her baby boy? Feminist. Woman psychologically abuses husband or does paternal fraud? Feminist. If men don’t deserve descriptors, feminism doesn’t deserve them either. Ideally, we all stop thinking in monoliths.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/26 08:50 AM
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It starts with the "Women mature faster" myth in school, together with the virginal purity myth and they being like precious treasures, then comes the "Women are more empathetic", "Women have more emotional intelligence", "Women are more social", etc. It just becomes something parroted across society a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 08:35 AM
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Probability is not possibility. Because of physical disparities, a dangerous man can be a lethal threat, and no one should dismiss that practical caution or pretend it's not real. The issue doesn't lie in the risk assessment itself. The problem is that women don't fear men; they fear violent men. This thought experiment highlights how normalized it has become to leap from situational caution straight into the collective moral condemnation of an entire gender. When misogynists generalize women, t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/26 09:36 AM
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That is usually left out of the discourse because people have become comfortable with the idea that "it's men killing men, therefore, it's all men." This preposterous logic hides an absolute determination by society to avoid addressing men's issues at all. Why look at sectorized factors for violence like psychology, upbringing, or socioeconomic conditions when we can just blame all men for it? It further demonstrates just how discardable society thinks we are. Why bother helping male victims whe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/26 07:30 AM
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The study's abstract explicitly uses descriptors like "coercers" and "non-coercers" because the researchers recognize that men vary drastically. You are cautious of "coercive men," not "men". If feminism deserves descriptors, men do too.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 07:01 AM
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Those specific examples are just artifacts to illustrate the core problem: dropping linguistic descriptors entirely. Risk assessment is perfectly fine. No one is telling you not to practice caution. The problem arises when you strip away descriptors because doing so shifts the conversation from a practical safety measure to an ideological, collective moral condemnation of an entire demographic. Feminism deserves descriptors, and men do too.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 06:57 AM
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No one is asking you to wait for a T-shirt before you practice basic safety. The point is about your use of language. Look at the difference: Violent men are dangerous. When I meet an unfamiliar man, I use caution until I know his character. vs. Men are dangerous, because any man could be a violent predator. The first is a rational risk assessment based on an individual's lack of information. The second is an ideological flattening of 4 billion people into a monolithic threat. Practicing practic…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 10:22 PM
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Talking about "women" in general terms online is usually done to complain, mock, or stereotype their behavior. It is annoying, but it is radically different from dropping descriptors when discussing male violence. When society strips descriptors from men in the context of violent crime, that isn't a basic insult. It effectively labels an entire biological category as potential murderers and abusers. That is a completely different level of hate speech, and it deeply harms innocent men and young b…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 09:44 PM
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It doesn't undermine it because that is precisely my point: I am not asking for less risk assessment. I am merely asking for the benefit of the descriptor. Feminism deserves descriptors, and men deserve descriptors too. You aren't afraid of "men"; you are afraid of "violent men," "misogynistic men," "impulsive men," "impolite men," "rude men," or "uneducated men."
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 08:24 PM
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Just don’t say “men” and add a word in front of it, that’s a huge improvement, and it doesn’t undermine your argument
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 06:16 PM
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I know, that’s fine, but how people talk about it matters. Imagine a boy growing up reading how people feel about him just for his gender, or all the men doing their best to be good. They’re being associated. People say “if you don’t do these things, then why care?”, but it matters and it affects the entire narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 06:07 PM
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Yes. It’s the words. Women are not cautious of “men”. They’re cautious of “misogynistic men”, “violent men”, “disrespectful men”, “impolite men”, and other variants.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 05:59 PM
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Being cautious for personal safety is rational because male violence exists. What is misandrist is using that reality to deny that men are a vast, diverse group of individuals, or claiming they are "high risk" while walking among thousands of decent men daily and even being married to them. To intentionally misinterpret the word "misandry" to then state that it doesn't exist is in very bad faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 05:03 PM
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50.4% of the global population identifies as male. This is well over 4 billion people. You are going to get a bit of everything in such a large group. The apex fallacy applies here. No one man will speak for everyone. Manhood is about people having the opportunities they need. It is defined as a biological and social demographic, not a criminal enterprise. We want equality, not to walk on you. Anyone who says they want violence or subjugation is not acting on behalf of men. They are something el…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 04:05 PM
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You say "nobody is treating all men as a monolith," but that simply isn't true; online feminist discourse continuously relies on generalizations that treat the entire male sex as a uniform block of risk. If feminism deserves to be viewed as a vast, diverse movement with competing schools of thought, then men deserve that exact same nuance. Male violence is incredibly sectorized and driven by specific factors like upbringing, religion, psychology, and location. It's not an inherent trait of manho…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 03:40 PM
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Taking personal precautions is perfectly fine, rational, and completely understandable. The critique is aimed at mainstream feminists who demand absolute nuance and "diverse currents of thought" for their own movement, while simultaneously pushing "all men" generalizations that treat an entire gender as a monolithic threat. Men are an incredibly diverse group, and male violence is heavily sectorized too, and driven by specific localized factors like psychology, environment, and upbringing, and c…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 03:15 PM
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First you conflated my argument with the manosphere, now you're lumping it in with "proto-red pillers," proving how determined you are to lazily label and demonize me instead of engaging with the logic. Will you call me an Incel next? The point remains entirely unaddressed: you cannot demand that your movement be viewed as a diverse group with rich currents of thought, while simultaneously treating all men as a uniform, genderized block of risk. Male violence is sectorized and driven by localize…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 02:51 PM
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Yes, exacty. You absolutely could. Or, we could just drop the hypocrisy entirely, stop treating the entire male demographic as a violent monolith, and actually look into specific, localized factors for violence while affording individual men the same nuance you demand for your own movement.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 02:33 PM
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Conflating the "manosphere" with the entire male demographic is incredibly disingenuous; the manosphere does not speak for all men. If you are going to treat an entire gender as a monolith based on demographic patterns, then feminism must be held to that exact same monolithic standard. Furthermore, hyper-fixating on the age of historical examples completely misses the point. We don't need decades-old texts when millions of modern, highly visible examples of extreme misandry are generated across …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 02:26 PM
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Your personal trauma is deeply unfortunate, but those experiences happened because you encountered specific individual men tied to a localized demographic, upbringing, environment, or psychology, not because their "manhood" itself was the root cause. If we use unstructured lived experiences to hate or avoid an entire macro-category, you could logically trace blame back to all humans, nature, atoms, laws of physics and hate the Universe or the Big Bang itself. I don't blame you for taking persona…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 02:09 PM
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Exactly. My entire post is highlighting that exact hypocrisy: men aren't a monolith, and we shouldn't be lazily weaponizing crime statistics against an entire gender instead of looking at specific, localized factors like socioeconomic status, geographic areas, or psychology. You claim the only workable answer is to judge individuals, yet mainstream feminist discourse continuously defaults to treating "men" as a single, interchangeable block of risk to justify collective prejudice. You cannot sim…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 01:33 PM
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By that exact same logic, men own the roster of every serial killer, dictator, and war criminal in human history. We already do. Your entire argument relies on men collectively owning that violent roster to justify your "pattern recognition" and "playing the odds." You can't use our roster to validate your sweeping caution, then claim it's an absurd standard when applied to your own movement. Furthermore, dismissing feminist extremism as just "one lunatic" or "mean people on TikTok" is completel…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 12:38 PM
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You are still pointing at a demographic pattern to justify treating individual men with widespread suspicion. I'm not criticizing this. I acknowledge male violence and precautions are rational. My point, is that if having a "pattern" of bad actors is enough to indict a whole group, then feminism has an incredibly clear, documented pattern of harboring man-hating, authoritarian extremists under its umbrella. If you get to judge all men because of "interpersonal behavioral patterns" among some, th…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 11:56 AM
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Calling this a "red pill" argument is just a lazy way to deflect and demonize instead of engaging with the actual logic. If you agree that conservatism can be compromised by white supremacy, then you are proving my exact point: ideologies should be judged by what they tolerate under their umbrella. Locking your door isn't accusing your neighbors of being thieves, and basic precautions are perfectly fine. But if you take a defensive precaution against all men because "some men are dangerous," the…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 11:55 AM
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You are both hyper-fixating on online echo chambers that actively demonize men, while completely ignoring that the vast majority of men you interact with in the real world are ethical, law-abiding people. Your comments literally prove my entire thesis: you feel completely comfortable writing off half the human population as "too risky, low reward" based on the worst online subsets, yet you expect men to unconditionally trust the feminist umbrella despite its own highly visible, toxic extremes.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 11:36 AM
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This is a total red herring. Hyper-fixating on specific historical names is just a way to evade the actual point: an ideological umbrella sheltering extreme factions while claiming to represent pure, unadulterated "equality" is a systemic flaw. Even if we completely threw out those names and used purely hypothetical examples, the structural argument remains entirely intact.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 11:29 AM
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Varying the percentages doesn't challenge the core point. Even if a feminist leader had only a 1% chance of radicalizing into authoritarianism, that catastrophic outcome remains a distinct possibility. Furthermore, your response perfectly illustrates the exact hypocrisy being critiqued: you are actively moving the goalposts to justify collective guilt against men, while completely evading any accountability for the extremism being nurtured and protected under your own ideological banner.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 11:28 AM
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It's because you'll be blamed for it. By women, by other men. Society is not ready to hear how cruel women can be. For example, if a father steps out due to psychological abuse and alienation, society will shame and only blame him for abandoning the child and never put a single drop of blame on the mother. These divorced fathers feel incredible guilt that they can never truly process ("disenfranchised grief"). When I look at the "partner violence" statistics, I just know that a vast percentage o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/26 07:50 AM
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Well women fear the few men who are dangerous, not the majority who aren't. Your intentions aren't important. The act itself is considered predatory and most likely going to be met with fear or disgust.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 09:03 PM
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If that was the only that happened, it would be fine, but it's not. Too many people do it badly, react aggressively to rejection, go around looking for targets and making people uncomfortable, or will come with some offensive comment, etc. So it generally becomes an activity that has bad rep, and women just react negatively to it from the get go. What you're saying now is like saying: "How is catcalling bad, what's wrong with telling someone they look nice?!"
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 02:21 PM
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What's being denormalized is predatory behavior which is fine. "Normal social conversing" still exists and it's part of the social contract. Just learn that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 02:01 PM
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MRA is part of Manosphere because it's core concept is that society is heavily biased in favor of women. It's an unfortunate name, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 01:35 PM
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I'm not against reproducing or anything. I want a pro-male space that leaves relationships and women out of it. Improve your life and that's it. No women talk, good or bad. The rest is up to each person. To your point, while I acknowledge that reproduction plays a big role in evolutionary psychology, and that society builds itself around it in many ways, the actual culture that emerges is not deterministic IMO. It could be much more romantic, just to name a single example. Media/society is havin…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 10:33 AM
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Even MGTOW, which is supposed to be men walking out, ultimately is based on a certain views on women, and has tenets about society being gynocentric, etc. Give me something that doesn't have the W word anywhere, literally. It doesn't care if you fuck or not, it's just not part of the doctrine. I'll join it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 11:56 PM
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I am not so sure about that anymore. Feels like an ancient religion, a moral doctrine. We’ve been indoctrinated by media to see fucking as a measure of value, but that makes men manipulable. Every blackmailed or scammed man will go down via sex. Furthermore, it’s that very pursuit and inability to cooperate what tips the scale so much, as men flood the sexual market demand. Looks like I become more blackpilled the more I participate in this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 11:40 PM
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We need men like Andrew tate My only problem with everything Manosphere related is how woman-centered it is. It's all about fucking or lack of it. I don't like that. I wish for a men's movement that values integrity, self-reliance, independence, pro-male. Nothing else.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 10:19 PM
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Seems like all the “isms” are rampant lately and it may be due the economic conditions
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/05/26 08:27 PM
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It's been on decrease more and more, but what you describe is obviously real and no one can pretend it doesn't exist, I think. I believe women do in fact have a similar problem with trans women, but can't confirm. In my opinion, in a sense, both gay masculinity and heterosexual masculinity can be considered cultures. That's why gays acquire "the gay accent" which is so common. Gays among straight men will still be "different cultures" in that sense. They can get along, be friends and everything,…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/05/26 08:15 PM
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Decent men around you behaving because of legal consequences outnumber indecent men around you that don't abide by the law, causing network of safety around you. As I explained before, they're not "protecting" you, you are "protected" by them as a collateral.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 07:01 PM
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Then imagine all decent, honorable men vanished from your community and only violent rapists, murderers, anti-socials, and serial killers were left. If you think you would be equally safe as now, you are very, very naive.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 06:56 PM
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You are indeed under the protection of men at all times, from much more violent men. But this is a collateral, not active protection. It's because you happen to live in the proximity of them, and they are keeping their peace. And no, you don't owe anything back to them, it's free.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 06:53 PM
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Protection can happen by the mere act of presence. If you, as a woman, stand behind an army of men while at a war with other men, this army will be protection for you, but they'll be protecting their own peace, not you. Nowhere there's a moral obligation to protect women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 06:39 PM
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I second this. Men that claim that caution towards male violence is "sexism" are just slowing down proper dialogue.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 06:02 PM
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The thing is that being cautious about male violence isn't misandry but a rational concern if you are weak. However, feminists will pretend that that the definition of misandry is that, in order to then claim it doesn't exist. Misandry isn't that. Misandry is systemic moral disgust against males and sexist attitudes against men, claims like "all men are trash" / "decent men don't exist" / etc. and all the million forms of hate speech that we see today.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/05/26 05:57 PM
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Heteronormative moral shaming in this economy? Men are not entitled to women and women are not entitled to men. Uncertainty is the price of civil liberties and your risks are yours to handle. They already enjoy plenty of safety and protection from the men around them that comes for free and without any moral obligation. The rest is up to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 05:51 PM
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And just like that, the mask slips from 'we want equality' to 'we get to be sexist too because of history.' You’ve became the exact thing you claim to fight, sweetie.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 03:37 PM
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Men are not morally obligated to protect you in any way
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/05/26 01:07 PM
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Then support "fairism", "equalism", and "justicism". No problem there.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 10:46 AM
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Well the low IQ people will be the majority of the problem always, in both cases. What would be "radical equalism"?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 08:53 AM
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If radical feminism wants to chemically castrate men, and liberal feminism wants equality, they still have the same name, and there are radicalization pathways between the two. A liberal feminist will meet a more radical one and via No True Scotman fallacy she'll hear that she is not "a true feminist" and be radicalized more and more.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 08:47 AM
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Ya think? "I mean, I would actually put them all in some camp where they can breed, but have to be fed and watered like cattle." (Julie Bindel, 2015) "The coronavirus isn't killing men fast enough." (Clementine Ford, 2020) "The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race." (Sally Miller Gearhart, 1981) "To call a man an animal is to flatter him; he's a machine, a walking dildo." (Valerie Solanas, 1967) "The male is a biological accident... To be mal…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 08:23 AM
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Men’s sexual desire and sexual expression is valid
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/05/26 06:52 AM
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Living with constant fear of encounters and strangers of the opposite gender is mental illness
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/05/26 06:17 AM
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Men participate of democracy because it has political benefits like preventing dictatorships and so on. Democracy allows the majority to decide what to do, which is ethical. Democracy being functional means that the majority of people are ethical. Women's vote was met with opposition because it was a big cultural transformation and even other women opposed it at first. With political activism it started to catch up, and became more accepted. Eventually a politician supported, and it was voted in…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 10:18 PM
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For intrinsic value and innate qualities that I did nothing to obtain or develop. (It's only fair)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 08:30 PM
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That is true. My argument relies on the observation that if a man and a woman attempted the same physical aggression to someone, then a man would most likely be successful. In partner violence, a woman may routinely hit the man to no major consequence, but it could take one single hit from the man to kill her, etc.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/26 05:07 PM
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It's not that men are ethical because they give women rights. Men are ethical because they choose to participate in the democratic machinery that gives majorities what they want. Then it overpowers everything. Women then vote on it and acquire better rights and equality by choosing proper leaders. But it absolutely requires the majority of men to participate.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 02:46 PM
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They just "see" the desperate ones
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 11:33 AM
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Because western men are actually moral and ethical and want cooperative relations with women. Power is taken, not given, and denying that is simply delusional. Even democracy and the sociological contract can only be upheld because good, ethical, decent men restraint bad, vile, antisocial men, in general. If all good and decent men instantly vanished from earth and left only women and only vile, antisocial men in equal measure, women would have no chance against them and democracy would immediat…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 07:29 AM
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So you argue that women are more moral and have less malice?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/26 10:16 PM
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And your deterrence point still changes nothing. Saying good men restrain bad men is just describing how societies handle crime and conflict. It changes everything. Male contributions are systematically omitted from current discourse, but the truth is that if you erased all decent men around you, and left only the most antisocial vile men, the world would immediately be catastrophically unsafe for you, in a very real way. Not at the macro level, but in your local community. In your very street. …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 04:40 PM
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The only thing keeping you safe right now, at this very moment, is a prosocial systemic network of decent men around you, in a very real way. Do you seriously, unironically, believe that making all decent men disappear and leaving only the vile antisocial actors would render the world equally safe for you? Saying so is either highly hypocritical or very naive. Furthermore, I'd argue that that is the only thing keeping you safe, in general. At least until women participate in 50% of deterrence. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 04:01 PM
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It matters because an honest sociological analysis requires looking at the full picture under a lens of realism. I find current mainstream anti-male rhetoric highly hypocritical and misleading because it treats systemic safety as a default. Conversely, I also completely reject the denialism from some men here who refuse to acknowledge the reality of male violence, or dismiss the discussion as mere sexism.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 02:30 PM
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My motivation is simply to point out that: Every western "misandrist" can only safely be one thanks to the infrastructural support of a vast network of men. The mere presence of prosocial men in your proximity creates a constant baseline of deterrence against much more violent actors. That is a material reality of the physical world. One you are only able to conveniently ignore due to the very privilege that safety provides. A network of systemic safety is critical for the security of everyone i…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 12:45 PM
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The comparison to an abusive husband is a complete emotional derailment. Pointing out structural realities isn't an "implied coercion" or a demand for personal appreciation. If my goal were to garner gratitude, I would simply ignore the dark reality of male violence altogether and just act as another sympathetic denialist. I am not. I explicitly acknowledge that violence. The point remains strictly structural: a civilized society requires an ongoing, physical baseline of deterrence to protect ag…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 12:05 PM
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Don't imagine a world without men. That would be too easy. Imagine a world without good men. If you unironically think that world would equal the one you are in, then you are either not serious or very native about the extent of cruelty and violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 11:24 AM
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I am not upset about it. I am just merely pointing out a structural reality in my post that is often conveniently ignored.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 11:04 AM
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Porn is a predatory industry where young girls are lured into "modeling jobs" and then asked if "they're ok doing nudes". It also promotes over-sexualization of women and creating hyper sexualized men who are sexual addicts from teenager years, ultimately leading to gender violence. Porn should be denormalized like Cigarrettes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 08:02 AM
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Not true, as I explicitly recognize the reality of male violence in both the post and comments. The argument is strictly structural, pointing out the critical role men play in maintaining a vast, foundational network of support. Highlighting this logistical blind spot isn’t asking for applause, but stating a material reality. If anything, the reactions here prove that mainstream discourse is strangely offended by the mere acknowledgment of male structural contributions.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 02:23 PM
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And that is exactly why you are blinded to the argument of this post. Men’s mere presence and participation in your community is already providing you with a critical safety network that you conveniently ignore.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 02:03 PM
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This isn’t just about the macro scale or entire nations only. It comes down to micro and local contexts too. The network of men around you is protecting you from very real threats that would quickly become about physical dominance if unchecked, down to the very street you live in. You seem fixated on distorting my argument into saying other activities are not important, which isn’t the point of this post. And just to anticipate a fifth time of the same response: it’s not about gratitude either.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:56 PM
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You are still translating a structural logistical observation into an emotional debate about value, dominance, and "gratitude." Nowhere have I argued that women don't matter or that civilization owes nothing to them; that is a complete projection. I am merely pointing out a quite large structural blind spot in the current sociological discourse. These threads are just going in circles at this point, so I am unsubscribing from this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 12:52 PM
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All of this historical context completely misses the point. You are still treating this as a debate about the moral origins of male violence, which completely misreads my thesis. The argument isn't an exploration of why some men are violent; it is a critique of a current sociological framework that pathologizes the male demographic as a whole while simultaneously depending on the continuous, physical protection and infrastructure that very demographic provides. Bringing up historical atrocities …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 12:07 PM
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You are working incredibly hard to twist a structural logistical point into an emotional grievance. Nowhere did I claim women don't contribute, nor am I erasing the vital, interdependent systems like healthcare or education. The core argument is purely sequential, not moral: those crucial caregiving and social systems physically cannot function without a baseline of hard infrastructure, resource extraction, and physical security. Furthermore, dismissing the protective role because the threat als…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 11:54 AM
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You are aggressively misrepresenting the post to avoid addressing its actual thesis. Nowhere did I claim that anti-male rhetoric causes male violence, nor am I blaming women for the world’s evils or asking them to "control men." The argument is purely structural, not psychological: it is a critique of a mainstream sociological framework that feels entirely comfortable pathologizing the male demographic as a whole, while simultaneously depending on an invisible, daily infrastructure of male physi…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 11:49 AM
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Dismissing hostile threats as an outdated "barbarians at the gates" trope is dangerously naive. One look at current extremist regimes, aggressive geopolitical expansions, and active border conflicts proves that raw, physical deterrence is the only thing keeping modern nations sovereign. A "good social code" does not stop a foreign military or an extremist faction. Secondly, you don’t even have to look at global armies; this dynamic functions at the micro-scale of daily life. A residential buildi…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 11:33 AM
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I explicitly used "quotes" around the word misandry because the post isn't a debate about criminal statistics; it is about the structural contradiction of enjoying an infrastructure of physical safety while pathologizing the exact demographic that maintains it. No need to follow up in this thread since it deviated from the original point.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 08:58 AM
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This is a massive false equivalence. While pregnancy is a biological starting point, systemic physical safety is an artificial, hard-won construct requiring continuous, daily labor. The point isn't about demanding personal gratitude or even that we stop making progress towards a better equality of genders; it's that this foundational infrastructure of male protection is routinely and conveniently ignored in mainstream sociology, and that blind spot needs to be corrected in the discourse.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 08:51 AM
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Even if that causal claim were true, a reactionary origin does not magically grant an exemption from the reality that this rhetoric is structurally subsidized and kept safe by the very group it targets.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 08:29 AM
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You are proving the exact point of the post. Reducing misandry to "just complaining" while treating male strength solely as a monolith of oppression completely ignores systemic safety. The only reason you can comfortably frame anti-male hostility as a "harmless complaint that doesn't result in harm" is because an invisible infrastructure of prosocial men is actively keeping actual, real-world predators at bay around you. When you pathologize the very group that subventionizes your physical secur…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 07:56 AM
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This argument is already anticipated in the post body, please read.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 07:56 AM
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If the biological power balance were flipped, the entire structure of human socialization, evolution, and tribal conflict would flip with it. History shows that whenever any demographic—regardless of gender—holds a massive biological monopoly on force, factions within that group inevitably weaponize it to dominate others. We see this exact reality mirrored across nature. In mammalian species where females are the physically larger, more aggressive sex—such as spotted hyenas or meerkats—they disp…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 07:54 AM
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If a stronger foreign faction or brutal invader breaches the border, they aren't going to care about how women think, feel, or what they say behind closed doors; they will enforce raw, physical domination. The only reason women have the physical security to openly voice anti-male rhetoric without facing instant, violent retaliation from bad actors is because a foundational infrastructure of prosocial men stands in the breach to prevent it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 07:47 AM
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That is a complete strawman. Nowhere am I denying or justifying toxic behavior, nor am I talking about individual "lifestyle choices." This post explicitly defines crime and predation as permanent realities of human nature. The argument is strictly structural: a healthy society cannot exist on upbringing alone; it is supported on a very real physical, mostly male-dominated infrastructure to actively protect peace.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 07:45 AM
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I don't think I need to further reply here.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 07:32 AM
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My post isn't about TikTok comments hurting feelings; it's about a structural contradiction. Those exact influencers can only safely sit in a climate-controlled room, film anti-male content, and broadcast it over a stable digital grid because a massive, invisible infrastructure of men is maintaining the physical security and logistics around them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 07:30 AM
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No. You are completely reversing the mechanics of deterrence to construct a bizarre personal attack. A moral citizen doesn’t refrain from robbing a bank because they are scared of the security guard; they refrain because they have ethics. But the bank still needs the guard because predators exist in the real world.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 07:28 AM
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You are making a massive category error by conflating an analysis of structural infrastructure with a personalized threat. Pointing out that civilization requires an active network of physical defense is not the same as saying, "You're lucky I'm not beating you." By that logic, acknowledging our reliance on firefighters means carrying around the mindset of, "You're lucky I don't burn your house down." My only take-home point is that this systemic safety net seems to be completely and convenientl…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 07:25 AM
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Men will realize the game is rigged and start dropping out en masse I think
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 09:25 PM
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Fully agree. Perhaps more. If normalized for strength, and if women were the dominant sex, not sure anyone can prove they would not be even more cruel and aggressive.
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