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spoonthrower/r/seduction10/06/14 03:29 PM
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Men’s desirability peaked at 50... wooooooooh!!!!!! Enjoy your brief window girls... patience pays!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/18 07:03 AM
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Most women become pumped and dumped bc they’re hot enough to have sex with but not hot enough to be in an exclusive relationship with. Women can get sex from more attractive men who won’t commit to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/18 02:29 AM
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Lol TRP is the most bitter bunch of men. I relate to Mick Jagger’s songs about women: Time is On My Side, Under My Thumb, Heart of Stone. It kinda has the same themes, but isn’t bitter.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/18 02:21 AM
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TRP doesn’t just say that. It implies that almost all women are cheating sluts. And obviously your life can’t rely on a woman, but once you’re in an exclusive relationship, you kinda have to rely on your woman to take care of your needs bc you can’t just go out and bang other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/18 02:16 AM
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What if your need is an emotionally fulfilling relationship with a beautiful girl who you can trust and be vulnerable with? TRP basically says this is impossible unless your SMV is extremely high
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/18 06:07 PM
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R/K selection is different than dominance/submission and the dynamics of “who cares about the relationship less” based on their options/value in the sexual marketplace. One must disentangle these concepts rather than put them into simplistic “alpha/beta” categories.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/18 09:23 PM
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I don’t think that fatherly traits are ”beta”. Beta is associated more with submissiveness, whereas you’re referring more to r/k selection (paternal investment over quantity). A career-focused man could be a good father and provider, and also be somewhat distant towards his wife, and rule his home with an iron fist. He definitely wouldn’t be “beta”.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/18 09:14 PM
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I don’t really follow theredpill philosophy but by putting on lots of muscle, wearing the right clothes, and going to the right meat market places it’s not hard to get well over 1 a month, especially if you do dating apps as well. But it’s more like sales than theredpill. You just build a good product (be physically attractive) and build pipeline (get as many opportunities as possible)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/18 09:07 PM
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Kids
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/18 03:12 PM
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No you’ll use your attractiveness to enjoy new girls and maybe commit to a new one who comes along. Or vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/18 03:07 PM
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Yeah life’s a bitch.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/18 02:20 PM
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Bc having an attractive romantic/sexual partner is awesome.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/18 02:00 PM
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Holding frame is a good thing. Women are testing you to see your strength. On a certain level, they want to enter your world and make sure that your reality doesn’t flimsily bend. There is also a “who cares less” dynamic in every relationship. If you are putting in all the work and investment, and the women is not, she will view you as suffocating and begin to disrespect and despise you. The same dynamic can happen when women are the ones who care more, but in general I think guys can handle nee…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/18 01:55 PM
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No one actually believes that though, or at least very few. You talk to any guy and he’ll realize that attracting girls is not as simple as being kind and sensitive. Even guys who don’t post on bitter theoretical boards still realize that attraction often requires teasing a girl or being the person in the relationship who cares the least.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/18 01:47 PM
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I’m not a full-blown redpiller bc I think the conclusions are too bitter and made by unattractive men, but I’ve found that even girls with good male role models tend to go for more of an edge. Being kind, reliable, stable, and good with kids just isn’t that exciting or unique.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/18 01:42 PM
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Tbf almost all girls will have sex by the third date if they’re attracted to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/18 07:32 AM
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Your boyfriend is probably that way, but most attractive guys I know have had many more partners than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/18 07:30 AM
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Personally, as a guy who has taken home a lot of girls from bars, it seems like there is an endless supply of 6.5-7.5s who are available and completely replaceable, and when I find an 8 or higher with a good personality, I become extremely attached to her. I think 6-7.5 is definitely the most promiscuous attractiveness range for girls. The quickness at which they will go home and give it up can be somewhat startling. I believe many of them must have partner counts in the 50-100 range.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/18 07:26 AM
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Feminism and bitter men’s rights activists are two sides of the same coin. Just suck it up and play your role to the best of your abilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/18 07:14 AM
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Women aren’t hostile to weak men if they see them as a cuddly teddy bear. It’s when they have to deal with the sexuality of weak men that they get repulsed.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/18 07:09 AM
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They want a man to express his emotions bc they want as much intel as possible to empower themselves, but once they get that intel they’ll be disgusted. Men are way more romantic than we ever care to admit. We just keep it down inside. Give the girl a glimpse on special occasions.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/18 07:06 AM
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Yeah and we’re staying that way. Male stoicism is here to stay.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/18 07:04 AM
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You’re equating two political subgroups (laissez faire corporate capitalists and coal miners) who happen to be part of the Republican coalition last election, but are by no means the same kind of people. Also, your classism towards aging coal miners shows a profound lack of empathy, and is based on a completely undeserved sense of moral superiority for being part of the environmentally conscious blue tribe.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/18 07:01 AM
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Theyre not useless when it comes to nurturing children and keeping a good nest.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/18 06:56 AM
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Jewish too
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/18 06:53 AM
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I don't literally believe in the concept of "the one" (there are tons of girls out there), but I just hooked up with a lot of girls and finally found one who I really connect with and definitely wanted something more with. So far it's been great. We've only been seeing each other since February, but the relationship is making fairly rapid progress (meeting parents, etc.). Perhaps too soon to call her "the one", but she is my girlfriend, she's honest/hot/easygoing, she's contributed a lot of valu…
/r/seduction21/06/18 08:19 PM
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I had your mindset until I found the right girl in my late 20s. Just keep doing what you’re doing until you meet the right one, and you’ll know when you find her.
/r/seduction20/06/18 09:48 PM
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I really love this book and have been using it in my current relationship, which is still going well. However, one thing to keep in mind is that you don't need to be literal and excessively rigorous in how you apply it. For example, rather than think "I literally must let her do 80%+ of the texting-initiation", there might be more circumstances in which you want to text or Snap her first (i.e., you have something funny to share, etc.). The basic principle here is that she must be putting in a lo…
/r/seduction20/06/18 07:56 PM
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I'm not really a natural-born leader either but that doesn't mean I won't lead the relationship as a couple. When there's only two people involved, someone has to take charge.
/r/seduction20/06/18 07:43 PM
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Sure, I think the mindset you should have is that of a good leader: she should feel free to not have to lead the date, which is the man's responsibility. Most girls appreciate being swept off their feet while you take charge. They're along for the ride. Being a good leader, however, does not mean that you should neglect the needs of the person you're leading, or to get caught up in a power struggle based on your insecurity about being in charge. If your girl really wants to go somewhere, you sho…
/r/seduction15/06/18 08:58 PM
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I wouldn't actually try to fight the negative feelings of "one-itis" bc it's natural to feel this in a monogamous relationship, and breakups are inevitably painful. No need to fight your feelings. However, despite your feelings, you should be action-oriented, and focus on going out and meeting other women despite those feelings. She broke up with you, so you need to move on from her despite the sadness that you feel. Do not try to win her back (this will only push her away), but leave the door o…
/r/seduction15/06/18 08:36 PM
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I think it's more of a give-and-take. You want to be assertive about where you want to eat, but also want to be flexible and take her somewhere she would like as well. In other words, she shouldn't feel trapped going along with you somewhere she doesn't like, you should also be decisive when choosing a place. Thus, I think it's good to say something like "let's go here..." or "I'd like to go here...", and make sure she like it too, by saying something like "you down?"
/r/seduction15/06/18 08:20 PM
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Good question. I’ve been using it with my gf and it seems to be working, although maybe it didn’t help me and I should have just made my feelings clear from the get go. That being said, whenever I’m with her, I try to make her feel extremely attractive and make it super obvious that I like her. I also let her do most of the reaching out, but will reply to her immediately rather than wait or play games.
/r/seduction09/06/18 08:55 PM
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We’re all a little bit needy but I’d say the crux of being needy is feeling like you need her validation to feel whole, and acting upon this validation thirst in a way that’s unhealthy for you and the relationship. Essentially, when you don’t get the validation from her (affection, attention, etc.), you start to chase/annoy her in order to get it, and she feels suffocated by you and wants you to go away. Rather than work for your attention, all her energy is spent on stopping this no-options, lo…
/r/seduction18/05/18 05:14 AM
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Who gives a fuck. My girlfriend says “dude” all the time. It doesn’t mean anything.
/r/seduction18/05/18 05:04 AM
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No offense, but this is a worthless post. Also, guys have sex for validation too.
/r/seduction18/05/18 04:40 AM
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Idk definitely don’t be serious, but don’t give off the pure entertainer vibe either. The attitude to have is confident/playful.
/r/seduction18/05/18 04:36 AM
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It depends on how you deliver it. It definitely could be rapey if not done the right way.
/r/seduction18/05/18 04:32 AM
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It doesn’t matter when she’s really attracted to you. She’ll make it really easy. Unless I’m misinterpreting, your approach could end up being a bit rapey. You want to be direct and decisive, rather than wishy washy, but you also don’t want her to feel uncomfortable and in a situation she can’t get out of. Make it very easy and natural for her to say yes, but don’t make it impossible for her to say no. That’s why I’ll call the Uber Pool, and ask if I should call for 2 (you have to specify ahead …
/r/seduction18/05/18 04:22 AM
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Yeah the point is to be unaffected by it and not engage with it — while demonstrating that you’re still really attracted to her. When you’re with her, you should never make your girl feel like you’re comparing her to other girls. She’ll already feel insecure about that naturally, so pretend like the other girls don’t even exist. It’s definitely a good thing when she sees other girls are attracted to you, but it’s not a good thing when she feels you’re comparing her to them. Key distinction.
/r/seduction18/05/18 04:01 AM
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That’s what it seems like at first but in reality his technique is all about not stifling the girl which turns her off. Essentially, if she’s interested in you, the #1 thing that turns her off is overpursuing or being too available. His technique is all about waiting for her to show her interest, then reciprocating by taking her out on a date and showing her a great time. A good metaphor to think about is having sex. When you’re having sex with a girl, you don’t want to just rush directly into t…
/r/seduction18/05/18 03:49 AM
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In my experience, when the girl is really attracted, she’ll usually suggest it. If we’re making out or getting touchy-feely and she doesn’t, ill eventually get out the Uber app and tell her I’m calling it to mine, and ask her if she wants to come with.
/r/seduction18/05/18 03:35 AM
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I usually keep it short, breezy, and funny. I also try to set up dates as much as possible. I wouldn’t treat the “only for dates” as dogma, but as a general guideline unless you’re super confident in your ability to generate attraction via texting, which you clearly aren’t. The important thing is to never let these guidelines restrict your ability to act like a normal person, which they would do if applied dogmatically. Give yourself room to not be perfect and fuck up a little bit.
/r/seduction09/05/18 10:58 PM
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On a certain level, yes, but I actually think the kinds of investment should be different (masculine vs. feminine). I think she should be doing things like cooking, making your bed, folding your clothes, etc; whereas your focus should be taking her places, listening to her unload her emotions on you, remaining emotionally steady and supportive so she can relax and be feminine around you. If she's in love with you, she'll fully open up to you and be super accommodating and helpful. I'm in the ear…
/r/seduction09/05/18 08:39 PM
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The reason you’re creepy is because you’re unattractive. Rather than focus on cold approaches, focus on looking better by lifting weights, getting a better haircut, and dressing in whatever style is cool on your college campus. Also, stop cold approaching for now and focus on making friends with people who party and have a good time. Campuses are a community, and you don’t want to be known as the “creepy guy”
/r/seduction09/05/18 07:51 PM
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This is great advice, but you should reciprocate as well, especially by taking her to cool places and having a good time together, and being generous (sharing your food, whatever other resources, etc.) Once you’re in a mode where you’re both investing in each other, it’s one of the best feelings ever. Closest comparison I would have is Christmas with your family.
/r/seduction09/05/18 07:47 PM
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I think it depends upon what your intentions are. If you don’t care about hurting girls who have good intentions, then that’s bad. If your goal is to become more attractive and learn how to finally figure out how to have “game”, then that’s good. That’s why I’ve really liked Cory Wayne. His method teaches you how to be a challenge at first, but ultimately be someone in a fulfilling relationship where you’re both giving to each other.
/r/seduction09/05/18 07:43 PM
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Hey
/r/seduction25/04/18 02:09 AM
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I don't know if you think conservative=bad, but I come from a normal/traditional family who did a great job of raising me under this system. Two parent families lead to statistically better outcomes as well.
/r/seduction24/04/18 09:44 PM
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I'd rather have a stable two-parent family with a healthy relationship. Monogamy is ultimately the best system.
/r/seduction24/04/18 09:39 PM
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I agree you have to know your audience, but in the early stages of dating, you likely don’t know your girl that well yet, so it’s good to have a system in place until you know her and her interest level better.
/r/seduction24/04/18 07:46 PM
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I don’t think anyone should rigidly adhere to guidelines dogmatically, but having a sense of etiquette and best practices can be liberating for the mind. Obviously, people are different and have different needs, but there are similarities and norms to keep in mind as well.
/r/seduction24/04/18 07:40 PM
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Do you shake hands with people when you first meet them? This is a social guideline. How often should you text a girl when dating her? This another social guideline and form of etiquette that can lead to confidence.
/r/seduction24/04/18 07:36 PM
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I know Corey Wayne (the dating guy I've been following) recommends letting her bring it up, although I know guys in successful relationships who have brought it up themselves. Maybe next time wait until she's more obviously into you, and you're seeing each other more often. I've been dating a girl for almost 2 months, and we see each other around 3x a week, and we still haven't talked about exclusivity. That being said, the relationship is making progress (we just hung out almost all weekend) so…
/r/seduction24/04/18 06:26 PM
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How often do you see each other? Do you think she likes you? Is she seeing other guys?
/r/seduction24/04/18 06:04 PM
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As rappers say, "chase cash over ass"
/r/seduction24/04/18 05:54 PM
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I mean, the idea is that you're suppose to be busy/have your own life and any S/O is suppose to be included in that. Yeah but guidelines can be helpful and lead to confidence. Generally, I let her initiate contact but respond relatively quickly, unless it's during work hours.
/r/seduction24/04/18 05:52 PM
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I've found myself doing this too. Usually she will text first, but I try to keep texting to these times.
/r/seduction24/04/18 05:50 PM
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That’s because seddit isn’t about getting girlfriends. Seddit is about having sex with lots of women. I took this to the extreme, and had sex with dozens of women (probably 60+) and while it was fun, I've been enjoying the process of dating a woman consistently more, and found that my lack of dating experience has made me a bit handicapped -- I've had to learn what the fuck to do maintain a relationship. Back in my "fuck as many girls as possible" days (just a few months ago tbh), I also got the…
/r/seduction24/04/18 05:44 PM
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You want her to talk about herself, while you tease her in a playful way. Then, she’ll ask you questions when she’s interested in you.
/r/seduction17/04/18 05:34 PM
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I've been freaking out for a different reason. Namely, I don't want to fuck it up and I'm still pretty insecure when we haven't contacted her in a while. When I'm with her, I'm actually really comfortable, but it's hard for me to truly have a sense of abundance when I have butterflies in my stomach. I can tell she really likes me too, but I just wish I could feel completely at ease all the time.
/r/seduction09/04/18 05:53 PM
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It’s probably okay. People are more sensitive to things when its on themselves. I couldn’t know forsure unless I saw a picture.
/r/seduction04/04/18 04:12 AM
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Depends on how it looks, and depends upon the girl. Million times better than the face.
/r/seduction03/04/18 07:46 PM
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She hit me up yesterday and we banged last night and this morning. She then texted me first today. I feel like after a while, girls start to just fall into the routine that Corey Wayne mentions.
/r/seduction03/04/18 07:43 PM
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Don't tell her how you feel about her. Ask her on a fun date (like getting drinks). When you get drinks with her, flirt with her and learn more about her. Like u/tab13092 said, actions speak louder than words. Telling her how you feel about her if you're not even having sex with her yet is pretty lame. Don't be dishonest, but communicate through action, rather than passive descriptions of how you feel.
/r/seduction02/04/18 07:58 PM
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Too Disney. Is all sex "passionate" to you? I agree it sounds kinda gay. I used to hate that fucking word. But it was passionate the last time we had sex. We smoked weed too which made it more intense, and in the morning she did all sorts of crazy shit that I won't go into. Do you often have 1st night lays where the girl stays over at your place (dafuq?!!) after the first night of fucking? Hence being there in the morning? Big mistake. Actually the first night she didn't stay over, but she did t…
/r/seduction02/04/18 07:30 PM
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The problem with Models is that it just talks about one important part, which is being vulnerable and genuine. According to Manson, if you’re just completely real all the time, you’ll have girls falling over you, and if not, then you need to improve your lifestyle or it will be completely unsustainable He even wrote an article about how he hates Western culture’s ”banter” and flirtation style bc it makes people not real. Manson is currently dating a Brazilian girl. Personally, I find his views h…
/r/seduction02/04/18 04:29 PM
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In my personal opinion, college is very different. When I was in college, I focused on making friends with tons of girls and my friends and I hosted a lot of parties (which is like a cheat code for getting laid). I wouldn’t recommend following Cory Wayne’s strategies dogmatically in college, and would focus more on expanding your social circle, hosting good parties, and having a good time. Depending on which college you go to, I would also recommend rushing a well-regarded frat. In college, ther…
/r/seduction02/04/18 04:19 PM
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So if you just had morning sex with her, as she’s leaving, you say ”text me later”? Seems a little unnatural.
/r/seduction02/04/18 02:37 PM
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Knowing how to handle relationships. I’ve been such a ONS person, who ghosts girls and rarely hooks up with them for more than a week or two, that I feel suddenly much less experienced when having to maintain something for more than a few weeks.
/r/seduction02/04/18 06:16 AM
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I can tell you that in a bar setting, plenty of girls will have sex with you within hours (or even shorter) of meeting you if attracted enough. I’m in my late 20s now, and I’ve had many dozens of these experiences, and the girls are usually educated professionals. I’d say superficial qualities are more important for one night stands, although game is helpful too. Working out, dressing well, being tall, are some of the best ways to score in these situations. Some people can do it with game, but g…
/r/seduction02/04/18 05:25 AM
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Yeah well actually I usually hang out with my friends and go out on weekends, which is how I mostly have been getting laid, and how I met her. So I want to make sure I can make time for my friends, rather than only hang out with her on weekends. In other words, I don’t have to arbitrarily exclude weekends. It’s just when I am genuinely the busiest. I’ll check that book out. Agree that no woman should ever be your purpose, but I do think eventually a family could become your purpose, once you hav…
/r/seduction02/04/18 04:59 AM
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Thanks that’s good info. And yeah I started seeing this girl before reading Cory Wayne, so it would be hard to switch to that mode. I actually don’t give cringy flirting texts, I focus on short teasing texts. That being said, his tactics flawlessly helped me get over this one hurdle I had where she would make it difficult to meet up on weekdays (she’s legitimately busy with evening classes studying for a grad school test, and would always want to hang out on weekends instead). I didn’t text her …
/r/seduction02/04/18 04:48 AM
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Totally, and an exclusive relationship is not something I even particularly want or care about, unless she feels it is necessary. My main concern is scaring off a good girl bc I followed a process that makes her feel neglected and unloved. By initiating the conversation every once in a while, it makes me more comfortable with holding back and letting her initiate the next one. I’m curious how this is supposed to develop though. We’re still seeing each other about once a week, and I usually decli…
/r/seduction02/04/18 04:30 AM
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So what about the period of time when you’re actually starting to be in a relationship? Is she always the one reaching out first?
/r/seduction02/04/18 01:53 AM
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Did you follow his method completely? Does your gf initiate every single conversation, and then you set a definite date as soon as she does?
/r/seduction02/04/18 01:51 AM
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Curious how dogmatically you follow his methods. Do you straight up make the girls initiate every single conversation, then ask them on a definite date as soon as they do?
/r/seduction02/04/18 01:49 AM
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According to Cory Wayne, if you just got her number, you should wait a couple days and then focus on setting a definite date (with a confirmed time and place). Then you should hold off from contact until you see her. If she doesn’t want to see you, then she’s probably not that interested right now, and you should leave the ball in her court by saying “let me know if you’re free to go to (date spot)”, and then hold off on contact and focus on other girls.
/r/seduction02/04/18 01:44 AM
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Yeah I’m okay with the one day a week thing, although she always wants to meet up on weekends when she’s in town. It’s more the “always have her initiate the conversation” part. I think it should be a mutual process, but your goal should be to get her to invest as much as possible, and reward her when she does.
/r/seduction01/04/18 10:03 PM
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True, Corey Wayne recommends keeping the meetings to once a week for the first 60 days, and waiting for her to reach out first, then setting a definite date. I think it’s good to have in mind, and to understand the reasoning behind it (make her chase, don’t be needy) but it just doesn’t seem natural to literally follow his method dogmatically.
/r/seduction01/04/18 09:39 PM
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If you’ve been having sex with a woman consistently for over a month, I don’t believe it’s needy to send her a funny teasing text or Snap comment every once in a while to let you know you’re thinking about her, especially when she is also initiating contact. To be clear, I’m a pretty attractive person who’s had sex with 5 or 6 women in 2018 to date, and have no problem getting dates. I had sex with another girl while seeing the girl I care about, and it wasn’t anything close to as awesome as wit…
/r/seduction01/04/18 07:26 PM
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I’ve been internalizing this guy’s concepts as well, and using then with the girl I’ve been dating, and they’ve definitely helped me. I particularly like his “less is more” emphasis, and strategies for setting up concrete dates in a non-needy way. It’s great, but my main critique would be that while his high level concepts still apply, his method is designed for an era where “talking on the phone” was the main method of communication. It would, in my opinion, be rude not to initiate a quick text…
/r/seduction01/04/18 05:19 PM
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Lil bit creepy
/r/seduction17/09/14 03:20 AM
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You don't give much context, but try putting on a funny movie
/r/seduction16/08/14 10:41 PM
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I honestly feel like this is a vast oversimplification of things.
/r/seduction14/08/14 04:32 PM
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I studied in England. It's a British term of endearment that they habitually use in almost every text. Think of it as 'love', as in xoxoxoxo
/r/seduction01/07/14 02:40 AM
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You're fairly right, but it gets a little bit more complicated. I would've been down for a more serious relationship with her until she started with the red flags, which involved relationship sabotaging type behavior. She has issues that will prevent her from forming successful long term relationships without therapy, but she's also intelligent and self-aware enough to realize that she has them. I'm as good for her as any other guy, and I'm strong enough to handle any emotional fallout that may …
/r/seduction10/06/14 05:48 PM
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Thanks for the advice, I agree with you, but with previous girls I've given off the callous, aloof vibe to an extent where they feel used, uncared for, etc. This article claims that women often just need to know they're cared about enough to be understood and listened to, but that you don't need to actually apologize or change. I was wondering if it might be a good idea to listen to her concerns, let her know that I understand, but not make any moves towards commitment or behavioral change on my…
/r/seduction10/06/14 04:15 PM
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Appreciate the response, but she's pretty low maintenance for the most part, and I enjoy her company. I haven't had to sacrifice anything really, and I've been completely ignoring her bad behavior so far. Dropping her is always on the table, but I don't see the need to go fully nuclear yet.
/r/seduction10/06/14 03:59 PM
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This is what I was looking for
/r/seduction03/06/14 05:03 PM
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From what I can tell, seems like she's probably friendzoned you so hard she can't even see you in a sexual light. Does she have any hot friends you can try and get at? If she's not helping you get laid or contributing nonsexual value to your life she's probably not worth your time.
/r/seduction29/04/14 04:48 AM
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To me it seems super lame and not part of my personality to use smiley faces. If you can text a :) and still know you're a badass then who gives a fuck.
/r/seduction29/04/14 04:38 AM
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