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I’m looking at your post history and can see multiple examples where you’re generalising negative attributes to men as a whole. You also seem to be constantly floating the “no personal attacks rule” when you get into heated debates on this sub. …but somehow the mods leave you alone…I wonder why?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 04:11 PM
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Robotics is currently on the upside of an exponential curve re: improvement. The human brain doesn’t deal with exponentials well. We evolved completely surrounded by linear time - e.g. my birthday was today, got to wait another year for more gifts now, etc. Think of the rice doubling for every square on a chessboard; compound interest; people thinking we were 100 years away from passing the Turing test about 5 years ago (which we have already blown past) - and how many people hilariously underes…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 10:29 AM
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Wow the mods on this sub really just ban any post that isn’t blue pill adjacent…wild stuff 🤣🤣🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 04:18 PM
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Lots of things in life are
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 02:09 PM
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Perception of “lame” = social programming
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 02:07 PM
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Don’t listen to the bitter pseudo-feminist prudes on here lads. ESCORTS ARE THE WAY FORWARD. A 6’8 ripped basketball player can get with women in the club every single night if he wanted to. Loud music, no “personality” connection - just pure lust. And the women don’t really even like him, they just want to brag to their friends about who they bagged last night. …but, according to PPD, this is somehow morally superior to just paying a legal sex worker (who in my experience have been mentally sta…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 01:22 PM
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I think some element of transaction is present in most relationships, even western ones. So as long as the woman I meet is also keen to build a family/better herself then I would be happy with that arrangement. As for being loved, I’ve tried that for 35 years and haven’t seen much evidence of its existence in the romantic sense 😅
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 05:55 PM
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My family is from Mauritius but I was born in the UK 🙂 Unfortunately Mauritius is a very wealthy little island, so the dating dynamics there are just as fucked as the west for the most part. However I definitely DO intend to travel to places like Columbia and Kenya etc. where the Tinder results have been INSANE…yeah it’s transactional in those places but I really do want a family at some point so I’m fine with that as long as I’m prenupped up 😅
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 05:36 PM
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Thanks man. The only thing I kinda grieve is kids, but I’m still young so who knows what the future will bring with technological change, travel, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 03:41 PM
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5’1 decent looking western brown dude - wealthy, well groomed, well liked, large group of diverse mixed gender friends. Result: faced rejection from pretty much all women I have ever been interested in (and my standards are very, very reasonable). Long story short (pun intended): decentralised women from my life and have never been happier. I see escorts when I need a release (fully legal in my country and should be legalised everywhere imo)…and tbh, contrary to the BS that’s spouted on here by …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 03:29 PM
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Ray Kurzweil, who has been overwhelmingly correct for about 50 years now predicts almost indistinguishable, lifelike humanoid robots by around 2045...which means we're only about 15-20 years from sex robots being a very real possibility. Admittedly 20 years is still a long time, I agree - and yes, they're likely to be incredibly expensive at first....but it's not completely out of sight.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 08:48 AM
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As a very short brown guy in the West? Probably see a bunch of high end escorts, get an AI waifu when they get good enough, smoke lots of cigars, drive nice cars, hang out with my large group of (gender mixed) friends, and otherwise find the most comfortable way to die alone 👍🏽
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 12:15 PM
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Only a few years ago, an AI as advanced as GPT4o was considered at least 25-30 years away...just look at the early forums discussing the movie "Her" for example. Ray Kurzweil and Warren Buffet are correct, the human mind is not built to comprehend exponential growth, we are hardwired to think in linear terms, i.e. "in the last decade we had this tech, the next decade will have similar growth (WRONG)" In reality, with OpenAI sitting on q*, which uses synthetic data btw, so it's not even an LLM an…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 02:34 PM
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Like it seems thrown around so casually its almost as if its not illegal in MOST places. Escorting is legal in a large number of countries. And even where "street prostitiution" is outlawed, escorts operating from their own houses are fully within the law. I.e. if it happens under your own roof we'll stay out of it (like in the UK where I live). Even countries like Finland operate like this, despite using the Nordic Model Ban for street prostitiution. I personally don't see any problem at all wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 11:49 AM
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It used to be a huge deal pre 3rd/4th wave feminism (around 2006ish) Now it's basically meaningless. Agreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 09:20 AM
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This is effectively anecdotal evidence supporting common "Blue Pill" arguments. If similar evidence was supporting the other side, there would be screams for "data" and "peer reviewed research". However we all know the biases of the moderation here, and this thread will not be touched. Only certain stories are assumed to be valid. This thread is a prime example of the hypocrisy in this sub-Reddit that people with a more pragmatic view of the dating market have identified many times.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 09:53 AM
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As a 5'1 ethnic male in the UK, I think I've genuinely given up all hope on dating/relationships in the traditional sense. I'm not gonna lie and say this doesn't sadden me...I really did want a child and my own family but that ship is slowly sailing I think. I'm focussing on the stuff I'm naturally good at/been gifted in, i.e. amazing family, great friends, making money, driving nice cars, theatre, seeing the odd escort if the mood takes me (it's legal here in the UK). In the near future I think…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 10:53 PM
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To reinforce your point further, often when those mismatched couples get together (e.g. ugly guy, got woman, or vice versa), it usually starts with friendship and/or shared interests, and then very organically builds up to a romantic relationship. To the point where neither party often sees it coming. Very, very rare these days what with the western world's current obsession with physical appearance, but definitely something that used to happen quite a bit even in the recent past.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 05:44 PM
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A very common misconception: UBI is not socialism. Socialism is defined as the state acquisition of the means of production...a UBI on the other hand is designed to function within a free market system. In fact, the idea of UBI was first mooted by classical "noeliberal" economists Milton Friedman and Friedrich Hayek (one of the founding fathers of laissez-faire, right wing economics). Personally, I think a UBI would solve the majority of our global economic woes, but there is significant (and fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 02:25 AM
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LilithOfBabylon ain't going near this 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 01:19 PM
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Thanks man! I'm already very lucky tbh, I'm just happy driving and owning nice cars. Relationships aren't really in my cards, but I think a lot of people on here would be a lot better mentally if they just accepted this and maximised everything else (heck we're all going to have AI Oh-Polly models in our phones soon anyway!!! 😂😂😂) All the best to you too my friend 👍🏾
/r/AllPillDebate13/11/23 12:49 PM
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Indeed! My career is business to business sales (so talking to high level people like MDs, CEOs, etc.), which is probably the only professional marketable skill that I have and the only thing I would consider myself naturally good at. I've always been an extrovert, and a keen writer and communicator 👍🏾 My family are also very well off and supportive - I come from an ethnic minority family that came to the UK as nurses and worked their way into their own healthcare business. I'm not bragging thou…
/r/AllPillDebate13/11/23 12:34 PM
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It's an unpopular opinion on this forum, but I think the negative externalities of not having a welfare system are much worse than having nothing. The famous historical example of this being the Bubonic plague...the rich said "fuck looking after the poor, we'll just wall ourselves off..." but unfortunately pathogens didn't care about walls and that decision exacerbated a bad situation into a critical one... In much the same way we would probably see externalities such as increased crime, worse s…
/r/AllPillDebate13/11/23 12:23 PM
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I'm lucky to be blessed with financial stability and I love cars and driving. I already drive one if the best hot hatches on earth, but my (somewhat attainable) dream is to own a brand new Porsche 911 GTS or equivalent 👍🏾
/r/AllPillDebate12/11/23 11:29 PM
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As a guy that has seen many escorts over the years, I'd say go for it. Just a few tips: Number 1: be respectful to the girl: there's a lot of very bitter individuals on here that love to talk shit about sex workers, even though they're the only women that will sleep with us ironically. Most of these girls, especially the mid to high end ones, are: friendly, more mentally stable than the guys on here, have their own houses, and have their finances well in order. If you're respectful to her you'll…
/r/AllPillDebate02/11/23 12:50 AM
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Pp Height 6 pack 6 figure salary
/r/AllPillDebate19/10/23 06:54 PM
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Yeah I can sympathise with that. My family are the textbook traditional brown family. As much as they're (admittedly) my type, if I brought home a tatted alternative girl they would probably kick up a fuss for a few weeks, but ultimately, if the girl is nice they'd be 100% on board eventually. We can probably agree that all women are crazy though 😅
/r/AllPillDebate19/10/23 06:49 PM
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I appreciate your input. As a gentle rebuttal: I went to a very expensive private college (only for like 2 years prior to Uni as a "brown parents dream" kind of thing). The people that went there were super rich, one Olympic Athlete, multiple Oxbridge alumni, etc. I can say hand on heart that the posh people there drank, smoked, and took just as much drugs as the working class people I hang around with now...there was even a cocaine dealer at our school who would invite people to his yacht for d…
/r/AllPillDebate19/10/23 06:32 PM
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Yeah I can kind of get on board with that. I suppose I was going for a broader statement. But I fully agree there is further nuance here!
/r/AllPillDebate19/10/23 06:16 PM
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I think realistic sex bots will hit mid women real hard, chads will still be wanted but since now the demand on the male side will plummet the competition for chad will be crazy and most women who aren't very good looking simply wont be able to get the men that they want. Exactly this. People always jump to binary conclusions on this sub, it's always an autistic "this will do NOTHING" or "this will DECIMATE", etc. The truth is, when you look at it as a genuine socio-economic problem. The introdu…
/r/AllPillDebate17/10/23 07:22 AM
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I'm not too sure that's the only criteria. I once made a post saying that men that have struggled a lot with women should just respectfully stop playing the dating game (while still treating women with respect) and focus on other pursuits like traveling, arts, etc. I made no rude remarks about women, I used no slurs, no hate speech. Heck in real life I'm a social well-liked guy with a range of male and female friends lol. Nevertheless, I was told my post was encouraging men to be "pathetic datin…
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 07:05 AM
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Advanced AI girlfriends, that's the breaking point imo. Although I'm basically agreeing with you in a way because AI will basically reap the "middle" of the male market, leaving women even more at the mercy of top tier men, etc. it goes on as you said 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 11:07 PM
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Honestly it's counterintuitive but most therapists are based AF these days and - as they're at the cutting edge - are starting to take men's issues deadly seriously.
/r/AllPillDebate28/08/23 11:13 PM
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Do you know what's the least manliest, most cucked, least RedPill thing to do? Thinking about the sex lives of other people who don't give a flying fuck about you. A lot of kids on this forum 😂
/r/AllPillDebate23/08/23 12:07 PM
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Honestly the cope stuff on this forum just smacks of an angsty teenage boy mentality...and this is coming from a brown "it's over" manlet... People going to a job they hate are coping, the guy settling for a mediocre relationship is a cope, the woman marrying the rich asshole is a cope, distracting yourself with friends is a cope...watching movies, playing games, driving nice cars, travelling...we can literally drill down to pure nihilism... Even posting on forums like this is a cope...and we al…
/r/AllPillDebate22/08/23 10:05 PM
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OP you sound young so here is the best, zero BS, most practical advice you will get on these types of forums: Yes, forget women for now, chase money instead. Use the money to either see escorts or, if that's not your bag, distract yourself (within your means) with other cool shit like houses/investments/cars/etc. How to get money: - you sound young so three options... - (1) if you're clever/STEM minded, get into stuff like programming and engineering...'nuff said... - (2) if you're not that clev…
/r/AllPillDebate20/08/23 01:01 AM
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Very very true. This is probably one of the biggest hypocrisies out there at the moment. I'm starting to realise that "support each other" is just a fugazi...what a large portion of society wants is for low hierarchy men to just keep their down, stay isolated, and stay out of everyone's way...
/r/AllPillDebate19/08/23 08:50 AM
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I love you OP, but next time LARP as an MD or Venture Capitalist. The CEO is basically a prettyboy/prettygirl they put in place as a human shield to charm the shareholders and VC investors while they're screaming about profit & growth targets 😂 Basically CEO is the biggest bitch in the organisation...a highly paid bitch...but still a bitch 😅
/r/AllPillDebate17/08/23 11:07 AM
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You're damn right I'm bragging! I just don't give a fuck whether you're impressed or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 07:52 PM
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About £150-200 for an hour 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 07:48 PM
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Zara Larsson for sure has some deep seated hatred towards men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 07:54 AM
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What mistake didn't I make as a teen? I didn't waste my money. How on earth is that not answering the question? And I'm not looking to impress anyone my friend, I know very well people will have myriad thoughts on my lifestyle...I just don't give a flying fuck 👍🙏
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 05:41 AM
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I didn't blow my money/got into index fund investing super young (24) and I live at home so save a ton in rent, etc. I may be a 5'1 brown dude, but it's a huge comfort knowing that I'm probably going to retire a multimillionaire. 33 now and love is clearly not in the hand I was dealt...so high class escorts, cars, family and friends is a fine enough life for me tbh 😅
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 12:38 AM
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Yes, exactly this 👍 ...to be very honest, given the state of today's dating market (and I use the word market decidedly) I certainly wouldn't be averse to this solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 12:34 PM
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One point that the skeptics on here are missing: This technology is going to EXPONENTIALLY increase in capability. To the point that we could probably simulate a "Her" level girlfriend within about 5 years... ...at this point I think even the skeptics would break down and say, "well might as well give it a go!" And for the "social shame" crowd, a few counter arguments: (1) this is much less "visible" than purchasing sex so shame tactics won't work as well when your gf is literally tucked away in…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 10:51 PM
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Potential unpopular opinion - this type of messaging is only going to get more intense as AI partners become more advanced and commonplace. Don't get me wrong, I'm fairly balanced when it comes to the whole men v women thing (to the point where I piss off the red-pillers just as much as the blueys lol)...but I do think that women are going to feel the effects of these types of technologies. And of course, there will be comments saying "this is only for losers, etc"...which is exactly what they s…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 12:42 AM
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I agree. I think that height is probably in the top 3 requirements these days, what with women being pretty much on par with men in the education and workplace spheres. Of course, things like not being an asshole and being somewhat put together in life still matter a lot. But I've seen height REALLY make up for a lot of those shortcomings, especially in short, medium term relationships. [Standard PPD anti-strawman disclaimer: I am NOT saying the above is necessarily a bad thing; I'm NOT suggesti…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 12:06 PM
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It depends on your definition of "can't take". I've tried to VERY respectfully move on after rejection [no "nice guy" BS; non creepy; intentions clear from outset, etc] and got socially mauled a few times for not wanting to go forward as friends and remain acquaintances. But my case is quite unique as - speaking honestly - I'm a very short, yet decently attractive, wealthy guy that's been described as highly charismatic, so I think there's an element of disappointment that they won't have access…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 11:29 PM
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Yeah, I think we're on the same chapter there if not the page. For example, I would much rather the guys on here say: "[this suggests] 20-30% of men haven't had sex in a year, this is a significant portion of society and we need to think of ways to improve their quality of life without affecting women" Rather than: "THIS STUDY SAYS 90% of men are sexless...let's ban all birth control, etc." ^ the above does nothing to improve the situation for men who are generally struggling and, I agree with y…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 07:37 AM
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I'm not questioning one survey over the other. I'm just sceptical of surveys with low sample sizes across the board. And that even includes the "dating app" surveys that a lot of red-pillers preach as gospel on here. If you want me to summarise my feelings on this: I think these problems are nascent and not a lot of research has been done in earnest...we need to wait before drawing massive conclusions on either side. Having said that I do think you can make some rough judgements so we are somewh…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 05:59 PM
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Correct me if I'm wrong but the sample size of that study was 2157 (men and women). Compared to the Pew study which, again if I'm not mistaken, is based on broader census data... The US population is 331.9 million...so the GSS study is literally drawing conclusions from 0.000649% of the US population 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 04:31 PM
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As a guy that has seen escorts (it's legal where I live) - here are my thoughts: Most women don't really care that much, I'm semi open about seeing escorts and if anything it makes women more curious. Men care A LOT MORE and many will subtly try to shame you for having seen escorts. most women in the real world don't care as long as they are physically attracted to the guy...even if they say they care, it all goes out the window if he looks like Jason Momoa ...as an extension to this attractive …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 04:10 PM
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It is attractive when a man that has other girls flocking towards him ignores them and only has eyes for you. So yes, your answer is yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 02:52 PM
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How can you be sure "having sex casually" isn't just "had a one night stand 7 years ago and desperately doesn't want to self label as a virgin/loser"? How does one structure an empirical study to account for perceptions of what "struggle" constitutes for men? See, this is the problem with this sub...I get that these are multivariate problems but people's biases come out hard in the variables they assume. And yes, I would even argue these points for studies supporting women's interests. We need t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 01:18 PM
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But WHY are men not actively seeking relationships? What portion of those men say that as a self-placation knowing they have zero/low options? WHY are a large portion of men not seeing dates? These are the deeper questions we need to be asking. Quite frankly, there's a lot of people on this sub who - following that Pew data - jumped to some pretty mad conclusions to keep the male side on the back foot. Deep down I think we all know though, there IS a mating crisis unfolding...and the data is lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 10:25 AM
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The Pew Research Center data would not seem to support you here: https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3868557-most-young-men-are-single-most-young-women-are-not/ ^ 63 percent of young men are single, compared with 34 percent of women. ...if 64 percent is not "struggling" I don't know what is 😅
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 09:06 AM
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This is a weird Spice Girls song...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 10:41 PM
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Fully agree. I have struggled deeply with dating and get spoken to like I'm fully socially retarded on this sub...people jumping to the most insane conclusions. In reality, I've been described as a very facially attractive, well dressed, charismatic brown dude. I have a large, diverse social circle, tons of female friends and have no problems chatting with people of all genders, making them laugh etc. ...but at the end of the day it's murder she wrote in the Western dating world cos I'm 5'1 😂 Ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 05:17 PM
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Not fully participating - just a relevant FYI. Even Chimps have a highly alien society compared to humans. People often over exaggerate the similarities. Just one example, in heat chimp females will try to mate with anyone that even blinks in her direction...this is a social strategy that's believed to combat infanticide because none of the males know for sure who the father is. ^ just imagine that in a human society 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 05:26 AM
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I think the point is fairly straightforward. Dating has become hard for young men, and the data (based on the Pew) seems to back this up: https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3868557-most-young-men-are-single-most-young-women-are-not/ Not going to the gym is definitely a reason for this. But I think it's naive to assume it's the ONLY reason. Oversimplification can be just as foolish as over intellectualising.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 10:54 AM
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THIS POST NEEDS TO BE PINNED PERMANENTLY
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 09:47 AM
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That's actually a great rebuttal...made me think! I do kind of agree that a woman who factors in things like financial success - be that via cold hard resources, or even softer aspects like drive and motivation - is probably looking for a slightly longer term relationship. You have me there to be honest! However, I've only had a few genuine (non paid for) ONS in my life and both of them have been with women who I know for a fact were factoring in my financial success into the equation (for conte…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 10:16 PM
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Just had a healthy debate on here with someone of an opposing opinion with no personal attacks, gaslighting, or strawmanning... ...should I check my temperature?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 02:41 PM
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I'm 33M, not hugely experienced but I have had the odd ONS. Okay, I think I get you. We disagree in certain areas but I agree that physical desire is a factor. I just think that there's an analogue, multifaceted interplay of factors here. Good to get different points of view nonetheless 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 02:24 PM
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Okay, but why do you place one signal of resources above the other? ^ I'm not trying to start an argument or be smarmy here; I accept we probably have different opinions on this, just genuinely curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 02:08 PM
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Well it depends on your definition of love doesn't it? Evolutionarily, attractiveness and wealth are both signals of the ability to partition resources. Different people value different signals. Or are you arguing that women are a monolith? ^ not a very liberal take if you ask me! 😕
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 01:54 PM
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My point was not which one is more common, which is a fairly intuitive conclusion anyhow. My point is on societal perceptions of different types of relationships. What is it with this sub and strawmanning!? I know this is Reddit, but I've honestly never experienced this much of it on any other sub 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 01:50 PM
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What's considered "genuine attraction" or not is often just another social construct, e.g.: 1.) Attractive couple has one night stand based only on shallow looks BUT THEN FALLS IN LOVE. 2.) Couple has one night stand based only on financial success BUT EVENTUALLY FALL IN LOVE. ^ Due to the influce of Hollywood, Disney movies, etc. only one of those scenarios would be considered socially acceptable...but both started out equally shallow. And no one questions this because it's very much a Western …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 01:15 PM
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The lack of education on demographic collapse on this sub is honestly shocking: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-05/japan-will-disappear-without-action-on-births-pm-s-aide-says#xj4y7vzkg And yes, I know the standard rebuttal is "well they'll just boost immigration!"...but people forget these same trends are happening in the developing world also.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 08:32 AM
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I'll pass your reassurances to Japan!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 08:10 AM
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I genuinely pity how narrow minded you are. There's honestly no point in continuing this debate if your paradigms are that entrenched. I don't mean to sound condescending, but nothing good in life comes from having such rigid philosophies...and yes I've had to concede a fair few points in my time too. But hey-ho you probably won't listen to that and call me an a**hole as a cherry on top... ...so - somewhat ironically - I'm out. Peace.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 10:58 AM
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Okay so you're not going to engage my point at all, call me a liar, and continue to strawman the living daylights out of me. Good that we're finally on the same page in at least one area 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 10:40 AM
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Sure can't wait for the demographic collapse! 😁
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 10:28 AM
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So, JN, as you're a bit of a battleaxe on this topic, what do you think of the following scenario: Girl falls for guy friend after let's say 1-2 years. Guy (respectfully) doesn't feel the same way. Girls constantly tries it on with guy, even while he's drunk. Girl cuts ties with guy completely (even though friendship was offered). Girl goes further, steering entire friend group away from guy. I know what your gonna say: "yeah that's bad too!" But my peers at the highly feminist university I went…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 10:10 AM
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Women: men are disgusting pigs for using sex as a unit of social value Women under the slightest pressure: DO YOU EVEN FUCK YOU VIRGIN LOSER LOLOLOL
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 05:06 AM
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She's not touching this mate 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 04:57 AM
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Emotion is probably the most selfish trait humans have in a lot of ways; it cages you into your own perspectives. 100% agree - top tier quote right there my man 👍 I wouldn't say emotion is useless though, I view it more akin to a luxury that allows like minded people to bond.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 04:41 AM
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Definitely a Western world thing driven primarily by online dating and the overall women's liberation movement. ^ Before the PPD pitchforkers come at me, I'm not saying those are bad things, I think they're genuinely brilliant, especially for the economy etc. (I think tradcons wanting to go back to the 1950s are beyond pathetic). Online dating in particular is highly impersonal and encourages fine filtering of certain body traits. I also think Western culture is very "self" focussed. I come from…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 10:02 AM
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Speaking as a relatively unattractive S. Asian guy (good looking in the face but dumpy and short lol), there seems to be a weird role reversal in my social circles with this issue. A lot of men I meet will take on an almost feminine "behind my back" mentality, not inviting me to certain things, etc. However, the responses from women have almost always been public and quite vitriolic. I've had totally unprovoked "omg you're so ugly" right in the middle of the street, cussing me out in front of ot…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 08:31 AM
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Thanks for the info!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 09:36 AM
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Can a decent looking but very short brown dude get good results in Philippines/Vietnam? FYI - I'm British, wealthy, well educated, a decent guy, and described as charismatic by friends, etc. And I don't just mean "high quality" LTR style women, but also the more "ratchet, fun for a night" street type girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 09:48 PM
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I think Zoe Kravitz is literally my idea of female perfection... ...aaand that's that's the creepiest thing I've written all week 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 07:24 AM
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If this post was gender flipped they'd be an army screaming " REEEE WHERE'S YOUR SOURCEEEEES!?!?" But of course it's about how men are shit, so we can just generalise and pull stuff out of our ass. Got it 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 07:08 AM
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And people aren't excited about AI now? Let's not be delusional pal 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 09:32 AM
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No one will be abandoning human relationships for some piece of electronics. Majority of people aren't crazy enough to unironically be into toasters and chatbots. And never will. Meanwhile, in the late 90s: "No one will be abandoning real life dating for online dating. Majority of people aren't crazy enough to unironically be into online messaging and sexting. And never will"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 11:57 PM
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Our future wives may currently be lines of experimental code...😂
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 10:17 AM
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I think population decline is going to be the real mortal threat to humankind over the next 100 years. ^ And whenever I mention the above I get a flood of people screeching at me calling me every name under the sun, so when something touches that much of a nerve you know you're often on to something 😂 Don't get me wrong, AI will take a chunk out of us, but much like nuclear/digital/etc. the net balance will be positive for these technologies.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 11:24 AM
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Your making the (huge) assumptions that (1) an advanced AI would have the same signifiers of attraction as humans - this could even be coded differently, i.e. a sexual attraction to intelligence, or humour over looks, etc. and (2) aside from basic reciprocity, most men - for short term flings at least - don't need super high intelligence.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 11:26 PM
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100% agree. The moment I try and post something balanced I'll simultaneously get men calling me a p*ssy, and women calling me a misogynist... Both men and women come here to bitterly dunk on the other sex more than any desire for mature debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 11:05 PM
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I'm sorry, did you misunderstand the meaning of my post? I have a large and diverse group of friends...that wasn't the point...my central point revolves around NOVEL, mixed gatherings of people. I think the well studied rise of loneliness in all genders backs this up reasonably well. But of course, feel free to pigeonhole me as a neckbeard for mentioning Me Too 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 05:03 PM
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I have to disagree to an extent. It's not ONLY the top 10-15% that are hooking up. A lot of mid/lower tier women are joining this demographic too, this inflating their ego, etc. This is reinforced in a lot of recent studies showing that around 66% of young women are sexually active compared to about 37% of young men (Pew Data). This is strongly seen in my day to day life. A lot of my female friends are overweight and/or below average in appearance...however they REGULARLY pull 6ft+ military dude…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 11:23 PM
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I like how the pew research has given hard, troubling data about the state of male-female relationship dynamics in the western world... ...and the usual PPD'ers respond by using the same ANECDOTAL evidence that they usually lambast others for 😂 "Well my brother's cousin's friend was a DND nerd, but just joined a salsa class and now he's married to a hottie" ^ and somehow this gets no pushback...curious 🤔😂
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 10:15 AM
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I feel that - at least at the moment, due to social media, etc. - "status" in the Western world is heavily interlinked with appearance. In the UK there's a cultural sense of: "if it doesn't LOOK right, it isn't right"... For example, I come from a very wealthy family who built a successful healthcare and property development business...however we're also small and brown so people still try and talk to us like we're idiots or not that socially aware - a patronising kind of vibe that's hard to exp…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 05:11 PM
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This post should be pinned at the top of PPD
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 11:09 AM
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Ahh the blessed silence of PPD'ers not being able to argue with solid data. My prediction for the next excuse: "well reality isn't...uhh..real life...is it!(?)"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 11:05 AM
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1000% yes. A lot of people on this sub are looking at AI now and laughing. While burying their head in the sand to the fact that we're on an exponential curve here... ...within the next decade there will be no difference between an AI and the "cute girl/boy next door"...heck the AI would probably be cleverer!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 10:19 AM
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You're missing the exponential growth of intelligence that AI will have over the next 5-10 years. Ray Kurzweil believes this stuff will be more intelligent than a human by 2030...I personally think that's a bit optimistic, but only off by a few years at most... And if I could have a conversation with a stunning woman who is almost as intelligent as me...albeit only on a screen... Let's just say I'm man enough to say "I don't know" to that one! 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 12:33 PM
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Oh I have no doubt...maybe even sooner re: AI romantic partners. I think robotics will get there in about 15-20 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 10:44 AM
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I think AI/Robotics could have an immense impact on the dating market in the next decade.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 08:56 AM
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Humans lay eggs now!?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 02:27 PM
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I'm what this forum would consider MGTOW, but I'm also far from a "tradcon" - I'm all for embracing the future, to an extent that would piss even the feminists off 😂: Widespread, legal, and socially acceptable (non-coercive) sex-work AI partners and/or sex robots for both men and women that don't fit societal ideals of beauty More realistic role models for men. Far future: - The ability to put your brain in a synthetic robotic body (functionally identical to a normal body) of your choice, thus l…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 07:17 PM
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I think it's easy to read the room in general. I just think that people - men and women both - like to delude themselves about levels of interest. And that's coming from a guy that's vocal about men's rights etc. One thing I do agree with though: this forum loves to gaslight any male comment with "well you're just socially inept..." ...something which I highly doubt is the case for 90% of the guys on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 11:09 AM
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Went to a house party today, politely said hello to everyone in the room (ZERO creepiness, literally just introducing myself) and the first thing the - admittedly very attractive - girl shouts at me, in front of everyone is: I'M [NAME'S] GIRLFRIEND!" ...It was so awkward that it literally created a 1-2 second silence 😂 The level of ego with some women...off the charts! P.S. I'm a short British brown guy with a tongue-in-cheek, "fresh-off the-boat", hipster moustache look...and if I'm honest, I f…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 01:23 AM
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Maybe slightly off topic but I do feel like men do this with cars too... ...I mean I'm still saving hard and not being too stupid...but I'm still getting a Mustang soon 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 11:22 AM
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I like to be as balanced as I can be on this forum, but my lord...please forgive me this one times Mods...the women on this thread are FAR more delusional. -Barely anyone mentioning men's dating challenges (height, salary, appearance are expected to be in the 95th percentile, even in my blue collar city) And that's not even going into the proven stats: Sky high suicide rate/poor mental health Homlessness way off the charts Educational attainment plummeting Massive overrepresentation in injurious…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 10:05 AM
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Japan is now apparently on the brink of demographic disaster due to low birth rate: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jan/23/japans-ageing-population-poses-urgent-risk-to-society-says-pm And to think, about a year ago there were people on this forum claiming that birth-rate decline was overrated and that Japan would be fine... ...sadly, I feel that this is the future for the western world too. TL;DR: screw zombies...Children of Men is the most realistic apocalypse film.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 06:24 PM
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I think there's a lot of hurt men AND women on this sub. This leads to a lot of hilarious mental gymnastics on both sides. You've got men here that will vigorously defend Andrew Tate...mingling with women that think it's okay to shame and humiliate men with low sexual success... THE IRONY...for Pete's sake, if these people were attracted to eachother they'd probably fuck 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 02:13 PM
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I met a girl in uni, fell hard for her...probably the most in my life: She wasn't interested in me the same way. Before the PPD pitchforkers come out, yes, we were BOTH young idiots. I was naive and she was taking advantage of that a little. I tried to (very respectfully) move on but she kept on trying to work her way into my life...despite me repeatedly telling her that I needed space. Thankfully we drifted apart after uni, but a few years later she contacted me again out the blue to try and go…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/23 11:58 AM
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Your entire consciousness is just electrical signals being fired from one receptor to another. The only difference between you and a hypothetical human-level AI is that one receptor is organic and one isn't... ...but now we're edging into the whole "soul" argument, so I'll get my coat before the bible bashers come for us all 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 01:44 AM
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So...let me get this straight...the main justification from the ladies here is effectively: "...uh, yeah kinda...but we're gonna keep on doing it" Got it 👌
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 12:44 PM
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The women on here saying "well, no one wants to be approached by an unattractive person anyway" are basically perpetuating the same "grey area" thinking that the "me-too" movement is so vehemently opposed to. The unseen irony is genuinely hilarious 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 01:06 AM
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Honestly, it's no problem. On a semi-serious note I mean no harm with my snark and I understand why women need more evidence. However I also think that men are going to face increasing problems in the coming decades...and the intervening time period for the research to actually be done might be problematic. But hey-ho, we all have our crosses to bear as a gender, I do respect that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 08:33 PM
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I think I explained my thoughts quite well...
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 08:27 PM
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So you're saying that the double standard I just mentioned is perfectly acceptable to you? Ok cool 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 08:26 PM
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It's been said a hundred times before and still bears repeating - this entire sub summarised: Posts about male flaws = ZERO pushback, anecdotal/incomplete evidence unchallenged, threads go on and on. Posts about female flaws = OMG SHUT TF UP THAT'S ANECDOTAL GIVE ME 500 PEER REVIEWED STUDIES PROVING YOUR POINT OR DELETE THE POST REEEEEEEEEE!!!!??!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 08:05 PM
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Why is everything on this sub framed in terms of sexual success? Don't get me wrong for one second - I'm a guy - I also agree with the majority saying that saying interpersonal stuff sucks for us right now. BUT...OF COURSE MONEY MATTERS! If only for living a comfortable, stress free life that is independent (hopefully at some point) of the work hamster wheel. To both men and women...let's not let our interpersonal woes turn us into YOLO idiots...we all deserve better than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 12:04 PM
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Honestly I think the whole dark triad = super successful thing is mostly bullshit. I work in the professional engineering space and come from an economics academic background. Through all that time I've met many high calibre "future CEO" types (and trust me many of them got to those positions)....and the main traits they mostly shared were: Obsessive and competent around their subject to the point of actually being dull. Actually quite polite, respectful and - yes - nice. Maybe they were a littl…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 02:01 AM
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Never let the miserable people on this sub try to convince you about "leagues". You're free to go after whoever you want (within the bounds of the law obviously lol).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 12:28 AM
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Yeah...I think I'll stick to the escorts. Peace out western dating✌️😂
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 11:12 PM
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Thank you very much for your kind words! I think seeking women out in my specific social circles is great advice - something I have to be aware of in the future I think! 🙂
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 12:34 AM
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Yeah same for me tbh. As a very short guy, it started to dawn on me as early as college age - around 18 - that I would not be a major romantic success. But like you said that may have been a massive net positive because I got into investing at 22, read loads of books, built a crazy good sense of humour, and just about leveraged every natural advantage I was given...when more attractive people in my place would have likely squandered these opportunities. As a result, I'm living a very fulfilled l…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 11:50 PM
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As a very short brown guy that has never fit the mould... ...I have to say our experiences sound eerily similar. I wish you all the best and hope the future brings us hope, be that via social change, technology, or anything in between 🙏
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 11:39 PM
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I think the issue is a bit more complex than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 08:36 PM
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Honestly this whole "forcing" thing gets tiresome on this sub. I can guarantee that most men who struggle with romantic relationships DO NOT want any forced interference in the dating market. Most men just want pragmatic solutions that cause minimal harm/disturbance. That could be as base level as more investment in male mental health...all the way to more long-term ideas like AI partners and/or robotic sex-tech. Very rarely do I see any man, especially on Reddit, even HINT that he wants to crea…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 06:24 AM
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I somewhat agree with this tbh. Anecdotal of course, but back when I was in College (High School for the Americans on here) the jocks could get away with saying and doing almost anything... Meanwhile if I, a tiny brown dude, tried to defend myself even 1%...well that was just a gross overreaction and I had to grow up. Even some of my own friends would assume I was the guilty one or had transgressed socially in some way. Long story short: I kept on being an outspoken brown dude and learned very q…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 06:09 AM
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This post struck a chord with me I have to be honest. When I was in University I had my heart broken by the biggest love of my life. Long story short: unrequited feelings; she got with a mutual colleague; she wanted to stay friends badly; I wanted to move on (VERY respectfully I might add)...but that caused some tension...basically the age old story! 😂😂 Anyway, I joined a Uni music group to make new friends and basically heal my wounds (I had a great voice when I was younger)...and man, she was …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 11:16 AM
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If they're 'giving up' they've definitely been asking the wrong ppl. This is exactly the type of gaslighting that the original posters were discussing. You're framing the dating market in terms of "right or wrong" as if there are some codified, ironically objective, rules. Newsflash: there are NO RULES in the dating market. People are free to go after what they want, be successful or not, focus on other things or not...and basically do whatever they wish. An "undesirable" man, or indeed woman, i…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 11:00 AM
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What does it mean to like someone for them? How is dating someone you find physically attractive, hair/body/age/height less shallow than money? One trillion percent this. A lot of the "blue pill" (for lack of a better word) people on here have a very naive assumption that the typical "power couple down the road" are in a sort of PURE Disney-like relationship with each other....when the reality is a the currency they have transacted is primarily LOOKS and potentially a little bit of personality. …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/22 10:25 AM
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Don't worry I'll do my homework citing this over the weekend!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 08:22 PM
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Anecdotal evidence is a valid form of evidence imo. Yes not as relevant as studies but, quite frankly, I don't have time to revise an essay every time I post in PPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 08:10 PM
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Thanks - Honestly, as a 32 year old, the amount of arguments I get from younger people who just can't comprehend this is exhausting 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 07:56 PM
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They also all have a sense of humour and we joke about similar things all the time in front of each other's faces 👍 Stoics also do indeed make light of seemingly unfortunate things so I think it's on brand lol. I think there is a stigma against brown men in the western world as a whole, but of course there are always exceptions to every rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 04:23 PM
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Same here when I say I've seen escorts. PPD user: "OMG dudebro, how did you avoid the feds!?" Me: "...in live in the UK...where it's perfectly legal..." 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 03:21 PM
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They pretty much all have attractive wives, as I said in my op. And no they're not arranged or some shit lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 03:16 PM
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Since you seem very keen to know my feelings on the inter-gender stuff (again apologies if that's a misunderstanding on my end). So, to ease your nerves...here they are: -politically I'm fairly liberal, heavily supporting things like UBI, free healthcare, free education, etc. -Internet/social media has changed the relationship between men and women on average. -This mainly because women have more choice and synergised well with advances in birth control/female education etc. -i think the above a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 03:15 PM
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Okay, I apologise for any perceived offense. So...what do you think is my "hand"?...I'm still waiting...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 03:03 PM
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To literally quote the first line of my op: [PSA as we're in straw-man city PPD: I am NOT saying the below is a good or bad thing, merely relaying my experiences] Sure thing, where in my original post (or even any of my responses on this entire thread) do I even suggest that "the good ol' days" were better?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 03:01 PM
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Just so we're clear, fertility does not equal fertility rate. Basically the RATE of new babies being born is crashing...this is not someone's opinion, this is an observable fact repeated in multiple peer reviewed studies. And yeah. You are a minority. Who has been lied to by old White Conservative Christian taking points. Again you're assuming an awful lot about me on very little evidence. I'd consider myself a liberal, supporting progressive policies such as UBI, LGBTQ+ rights, public healthcar…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 02:59 PM
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Good point!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 02:43 PM
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If I told you I was going to punch you in the face, and I punch you in the face, I can’t also say “I TOLD YOU I WAS GONNA PUNCH YOU! And make it null. A straw man argument is literally a misunderstanding...what is there to misunderstand about "I'm going to punch you in the face"? I'm sorry but your analogy doesn't track.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 02:41 PM
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we keep adding way more people than before!? That's the point of a fertility RATE dude...in around 40 years we won't be adding people to the earth. the people that keep talking about it are the kinds of people that don’t like what color or religions they are? I'm an ethnic minority that's incredibly proud of his culture. I think it would be great to see more people from the east around. I don't think I'm alone in thinking this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 02:36 PM
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What do you think my hand is by the way? 😂 You seem to know me better than me, so I'm keen to understand! I also love how you retort to my comment about you straw-manning me...by simply continuing to do so 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 02:30 PM
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Well we have to agree to disagree on the "...back in the day" point then. Although I'll hazard that we have quite a bit in common when it comes to solutions. My uncles and extended family did very well for themselves relationship wise and most of them were 5 foot nothing Asian guys in a western country. I just don't see the same thing happening these days. Concerning your population point, yes we are still going up in global population but, as the World Economic Forum points out (ref below) the …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 02:09 PM
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The amount of time since these changes happened is irrelevant to my point. To be clear - MY POINT: the internet/social media has changed inter-gender relations. Therefore when people say "it was the same in the past" they are most likely wrong. YOU are discussing how we as a society should react to those changes, and I'm the first person to say that we should move forward (all genders) with solutions instead of looking at the past and crying like a baby over spilt milk. I'm more than happy to ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 01:51 PM
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I never stated, nor even suggested, it was a new thing in my OP, just that it has had an effect on inter-gender relationships. So let's say pre and post 90s for the internet. And pre and post 00s for social media.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 01:40 PM
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...and the time for the straw-man has arrived ladies and gentlemen. I tried with the PSA...I really did 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 01:23 PM
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I stated anecdotal evidence of my relatives/family friends experiencing more casual sex. I never claimed a study or quantitative data in my op.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 01:02 PM
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Tbf I hear the title quote a lot on this forum by the younger guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 12:55 PM
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I agree that women had less autonomy in the past, that this was a bad thing, and am the first one to suggest moving forward instead of looking at the past with rose tinted spectacles (a la "tradcons") 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 12:52 PM
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Yeah I think you make a very good point! I do think the increased competition is another pillar but for sure the internet has been a Biggie!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 12:45 PM
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Fully agreed. The "Buff Caveman" myth is just that, a myth imo. Most stuff I've seen seems to point to early humans being trappers, persistence hunters, or - at the very least - working together as a unit to bring down game. All this 100% leads to a slim, almost soccer player physique...which, surprise surprise, is what most tribespeople have.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 10:50 AM
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Haha true true.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 10:09 PM
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prepare to be called a minsogynst and an incel while posters ignore the content of your post Literally PPD in a nutshell 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 09:57 PM
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It's not like we're running out of people in the world The global birth rate is actually declining. Granted it's not yet an actual decrease, but many studies predict this will happen in the next few decades.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 09:17 AM
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Hallelujah PREACH op. I'm already planning on moving to the motherland within the next 5-8 years 👍 The western world is being driven off a cliff if you ask me tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 11:56 PM
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In their (slight) defense I have to admit they don't say this, at least the ones I know. You can tell there's a sort of internal conflict where they know the type of guys they are attracted to don't want them for the long term...basically they'll admit in everything but words that they go for assholes lol. Stepping outside myself - It's kind of sad to see, even as a guy like me that leans MGTOW. Ultimately - despite what the older bluepill people on this sub say - I do think the western world is…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 01:55 PM
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Hmm indeed. I do think security is important to all women, especially if you're a small brown dude like me, haha. But I do think back home the girls look more at "the whole picture" if you will, rather than one or two traits. E.g. "this guys petit, but wealthy...AND he's funny and treats me right" rather than the West: "this guys petit, wealthy and Brown......throw him in the bin" 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 10:08 AM
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Going back home is exactly my plan eventually. Well kind of...I plan to split my time between the UK and Mauritius 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 10:04 AM
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Just don't talk about it on the first date like my friend does and bore them to death. Oh god yeah, for sure! I always try and change the topic very quickly once someone asks me the infamous: "well...uh...what's your favourite car?" Translation: "I couldn't be less interested in cars if one crashed into me" 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 09:29 AM
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Great points well noted mate 😁 The only thing I'll challenge is the cars. I don't buy those to attract women even 1%. I buy them because I have had a genuine love of automobiles since I was in nappies...to the extent that driving is a meditation for me and the only time in my life where all my problems vanish and I lose a sense of self...which is a strong marker for a true "calling" type hobby imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 09:14 AM
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I think I've finally admitted to myself that dating for brown guys in the UK is incredibly challenging. I don't wanna sound too downbeat, and I truly love the West, I was born here after all. But I do give up on its dating environment. There definitely seems to be a stigma on Asian men in the UK (and maybe even Western EU). Possibly due to the fact that the UK literally owned our homeland about 300 years ago 😂 Luckily my parents are wealthy and I have two passports, so I'm genuinely planning to …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 08:27 AM
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Damn man...sounds like I need to find me an IT girl! 😂 I don't like making excuses but I do have to admit I live in a very blue collar UK city so that must affect things to a degree. The girls do tend to gravitate towards "a certain type of guy" if you catch my drift. Basically, education/guys with security aren't really admired here...but tradesmen, servicemen, engineers, military, etc. get a LOT of attention. Like I said, the girls here aren't stupid, in fact that type of guy here probably mak…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 04:23 PM
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I work in marketing and most of the single women I work with are around 30 y/o and essentially going from one fuckboi to another, desperately trying (and failing) to convert them into long term relationships. Admittedly these women aren't mega educated, but they're far from stupid. Just normal women on the whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 04:14 PM
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OP, with respect, your very first paragraph was about a 40 year old woman that's fully admitted she wants to date attractive, fit men and not being able to find them... Regardless of what men say, surely this must reinforce the dating market problems presented on here, not debunk them. For example, I know many women in my social circle who are around the 30 y/o mark. Every single one of them (even the less attractive ones) aim for very attractive men that don't stick around for the long term. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 01:47 PM
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Trust me, I guarantee the men you keep at arm's length secretly respect you for this. It sounds "aloof" at first but many men actually perceive this as classy behaviour, even if they're on the recieving end of the rejection 👍 I personally would much rather your approach than a couple years of unnecessary, stretched out, interpersonal agony...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 01:51 PM
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Ahh I get you! Apologies, then yes we are indeed on the same page 😁 I have done the "wait for years" thing in a very traumatic experience with a girl. But I was completely honest in that it was more because I was a lot younger and didn't have the confidence to come out with it 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 01:49 PM
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Women complain loudly about this because realizing that someone you thought loved you and was a close friend was actually just pretending to give a shit about you because he wanted to get into your pants is one of the worst feelings ever. Do you know what is also an exact equivalent of that feeling? Loving someone deeply and having to watch them (at point blank range) experience that dream with someone else. For both men and women, I don't care what the gender is, NO ONE IS ENTITLED TO ANYONE'S …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 01:41 PM
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I mean I don't know why so many weird ass posters think this is some kind of scenario diametrically opposed to many lives realities. Because most of the posters on here are out of touch and highly naive.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 03:50 PM
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I don't know what you're on about OP, as a member of the tiny brown guy committee, I've fully made peace with the fact most women will only really be attracted to me because of my money. And I'm perfectly fine with that lol. I would hazard a good chunk of men in my situation have come to the same conclusion. OP, you're doing the exact thing that women accuse men of: generalising the other gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 10:59 AM
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Hmm I can respect that mate. I've always been one to a stick two fingers up at "unwritten social rules" even when I was at school...weirdly that actually drew a really diverse range of people to me anyway all the way from nerdy to jock and everything in between, even though I was a short brown dude haha. Without sounding too much like a cringy YouTube influencer, I think when people act like wolves instead of sheep people do pick up on that and gravitate towards it. On the high status people thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/22 03:23 PM
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Man, sorry to be direct, but sound like you were a mercenary asshole when you were younger. I think that sort of mentality gets short term results, but is often unstable in the long run because (1) you eventually piss off the wrong people and (2) humans need a diverse network of friends to succeed in life. Most of the the really successful people I know - even the attractive ones - are kind, generous, and have a broad social network of all classes. Just my two cents though my man, glad you're on…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/22 02:41 PM
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Oye Belta!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/22 09:07 AM
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50/50 chance in my honest opinion
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/22 11:25 PM
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Just come back home from night out with work colleagues. Girls eventually hung out with literally the trashiest guys (strangers) in the whole club. I, totally expecting this, got a cab home with the older work peeps...all in all a good night minus the desperate attention seeking, but there was good vibes from other people 👌
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/22 11:07 PM
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Very vindictive post OP in my opinion. Women have complained for years about objectification...and then you're surprised when men are upset at the same thing? How are you going to end misogyny with this feral, tit for tat thinking? Turns out it really is eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth put here boys!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 07:38 PM
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YES. MY. BROTHER.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 08:27 PM
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No promises.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 08:00 PM
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No promises. consentualshitting
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 08:00 PM
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Too late, I have my baby oil...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 07:56 PM
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Lets get homoerotic
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 07:54 PM
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JUSTICE HAS BEEN SERVED. TO THE MEN ON HERE - THE TIME FOR OUR VOICES TO BE HEARD IS NEAR.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 07:52 PM
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GUY: Genetics - 9 Maintained - 5 Personality - 4 Income - 4 Geo - 1 Summary: starting with the obvious, I think genetics are paramount for men in the western dating market. Maintained appearance is not that important in my experience, I know very attractive women who really don't care about this stuff but DEMAND a genetically attractive mate. Personality and Income can be slightly below average as women couldn't care less about those these days...I literally see supermodel tier women driving the…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 02:56 PM
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I'm in favour of it being legal, with limits and regulation. And it should be taxed and that money (ALL OF IT) should go directly to helping women who are NOT in it by choice, exploited, abused, or trafficked. But if a woman wants to exchange sex for cash why not? Her body her choice. Fully agreed there my friend! 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 07:17 AM
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I'm well aware of the Nordic Model - it's adopted by: Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Canada, Northern Ireland, France, Ireland, and Israel. Meanwhile it's legal in: UK, Denmark, Switzerland, Japan, Germany, New Zealand, Australia, Italy, Austria, Belgium, Netherlands, Greece, among others. I respect all opinions, but personally I'm a huge advocate of full legalisation and regulation.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 10:56 PM
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This is a common misconception. It's legal in many countries. Streetwalking/brothel-keeping is often outlawed but most laws that escorting (i.e. doing stuff consensually in your own personal residence) is fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 10:43 PM
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There are also many feminists in vehement opposition to the Swedish model, stating that it drives an inevitable trade even further into the clutches of the black market. And to add a little balance to your argument, legalised sex-work is present in many forward thinking countries: New Zealand, Japan, Australia, Germany, Denmark, UK, Switzerland, Italy, and the list goes on.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 09:32 AM
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There's a danger of getting into semantics here, so the only true answer here is "it depends". For example in Germany, where sex-work is legal, the managers of a brothel/parlour (who are highly regulated and monitored) could be considered pimps. But they don't affect the well-being of the worker so there's very little moral conundrum for me here. However, if you're talking about an abusing pimp/madam who is stealing money/abusive/coercive/etc. then the story changes rather quickly.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 09:28 AM
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I'm very pro-legalisation on the sex-worker front. Heck over here in the UK it already is...I really don't get the American prudishness on this topic, but that's another debate. To address your point OP, I've seen sex-workers in the past and it they were surprisingly nice experiences, the escorts themselves were clean, friendly, lived in nice areas, mentally stable and not even a whiff of pimping/coercion (which I find abhorrent). I do think that escorts helped me demystify sex a lot and actuall…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 09:50 PM
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Because there is immense societal pressure for us to place sex and relationships on a high pedestal. And if you think I'm dramatising, consider that I once posted on here about how my friends I are focussing more on making money and our hobbies and have (very respectfully) given up on the dating scene. The response I got on here was about 90% calling myself and my friends the "I" word (even though my circle is literally the furthest thing from that horrid stuff), saying that we were "pathetic da…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 11:07 PM
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Exactly - interesting we find agreement here! 😁 Your media point is particularly telling. For example alongside Love Island (which is almost like a religion among the working and middle classes here) you also have shows like Naked Attraction, which glorify the naked body and put looks literally above all else. I think these types of shows would not find nearly as much traction in America, which - I fully agree - often bundles success alongside looks in its attraction formula.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 11:29 AM
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I come from the UK and I would say it's just as bad as the USA, maybe even slightly worse over here. There's a very strong "looks over everything else" mentality with dating in the the UK. It's hard to explain, and I know the US has this too... Let me put it this way, over in the US if you're a mismatched couple looks wise you'll mostly get people saying "aww cute" and maybe a few behind the back comments. Here in the UK, there would be IMMENSE social pressure from friends, family, etc. to CONFO…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 09:35 AM
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Young American men and women largely have the same issues. Strongly disagree with this point. I talk to disaffected men regularly and loneliness is by far more represented than in the women I speak to. But of course, you are entitled to your opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/22 09:19 AM
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There's value in friendship besides sex, and that's coming from a MGTOW leaning guy like me. Conversational skills Meeting new people (it is mixed gender parties after all) Maintaining a female circle of friends for when I'm rich and can attract girls that way. ..okay the last one is a semi-cope but it's not that far fetched 😂😂
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 06:48 PM
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Lilith, even as a MGTOW leaning guy, I agree with your points here. But, can we at least agree that both sexes tend to shoot out of their league these days? I've seen just as many women pine for men far more attractive than them as I have men. And I'm not saying that with a bias so don't get me twisted, I'll restate just in case: both men and women...heck HUMANS will be shallow if given the option and try for the best they can get. I hope we can reach a baseline here.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 11:36 AM
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I can respect that man, genuinely 🙂 You do you!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 10:59 PM
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I would consider myself a lost cause romantically (short, brown, you name it, lol). BUT, even I have to say, the women in my life generally treat me really well. They invite me to a lot of parties with all different kinds of people, I'm treated with respect etc. They're also all very attractive btw. I'm just seen as a sexual non-entity which, in all honesty, isn't the worst thing in the world given the other plus points.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 10:53 PM
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Dude, honestly, I would advise you to stop simping on onlyfans and just see a proper escort. Imo I think onlyfans is a huge waste of money and far less value. Just my 2c though!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 10:48 PM
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Bars
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 11:48 AM
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I'm a 5'1 brown guy, living in the UK. I'm also well adjusted, facially attractive, have a large (gender mixed) social group, not bitter, been told I'm charismatic, and am very well off financially. Would the "blue pillers" on here care to guess how successful I've been romantically? 😂😂
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 12:22 PM
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If some people on here find repeatedly slamming your testicles in a giant oak door fun, then - yes - I find dating tremendously "fun"...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 12:16 PM
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I'm not actually red or blue pill myself. I think all those categorisations are childish. I do think that both the "red" and "blue" sides both make valid points though. I would say there are definitely harsh truths in life, but also things that surprise and uplift us.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 02:44 PM
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Lol forget "purple pill debate". This sub has now become "blue pillers desperately trying to reconcile harsh life truths" 😂😂
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 12:31 PM
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Literally almost every female comment on this sub, even from "blue pillers", strongly reinforces that relationships are seen as a biological transaction: "I don't want to settle for a man I'm not viscerally attracted to" "Unattractive men should just accept their position in the dating market" "Men who are overweight have no excuses" "Short men should focus on finances/move to Asia" "Women should never date someone for financial security only" ....and the list goes on, and on, and on, and on I'm…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 03:05 PM
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Amen there brother. I may be a total loser with women, but I'm also driving a brand new £30k rally weapon and living like a king 🤷🏾
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 09:07 PM
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I actually don't think guys are that entitled at all from the anecdotal evidence I've seen. I've seen far more entitlement from the women in my circle.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 03:54 PM
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Careful OP, I once posted something similar on here and almost got banned on very tenuous grounds 😂 ...turns out the one thing society hates is people that don't play their games.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 09:16 AM
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Literally what happened to my dad with his first wife. Preach brother!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 09:15 AM
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Hard disagree. Our family friend looks like a 5'4 brown version of Gollum, but was in accounting in the 70s and 80s and often brought home white women back from night clubs. ...and you'd think that was tall tales if it wasn't for his ex wife being a stunner (and his grown up daughters too, but don't tell him I said that 😂) And this is just one example of many pathetic looking brown guys that my family knows that did super well for themselves back in the day. I think a lot of young people on here…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/22 04:52 PM
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Fully agreed, even as a man with strong (non-whiny) MGTOW leanings. Reddit needs more free speech across the board for EVERYONE 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/22 09:35 PM
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Cars are my biggest passion in life after friends and family 😊 I currently drive a GR Yaris and am saving up for a something like a Supra, but most likely the new Mazda Rx7 that's being rumoured (if they ever actually make it 😂)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/22 09:23 AM
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I've always said it and I'll say it again: PPD is the strawman capital of Reddit. I once made a point along the lines of: population decline has big downsides. And the response I got was, almost to the word: OMG SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT WOMEN MUST BE FORCED TO HAVE KIDS LIKE SLAVES, THAT'S DISGUSTING. 😂😂😂
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/22 09:19 AM
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The original post directly mentions guys "experiencing this their whole lives"...lol
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/22 12:16 AM
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Yes but you HAD that attention at some point in your life. The central point of OP is that a large proportion of men never had any sexual attention to begin with, so are - on balance - worse off. It's like a retired multi-millionaire telling a homeless guy that money isn't everything because he can't afford mansions anymore 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/22 08:50 PM
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There's a good chance everyone is in the Golden Age of something This is a wise comment indeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/22 08:37 PM
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I think we'll have to agree to disagree on many points. Of course, the bad stuff you mentioned is there and should be targeted, we can find common ground there for sure. Otherwise, I have strong libertarian views socially and believe that the government should not come between what two (non-trafficked, non-coerced, non-pimped) people want to do with their bodies. Again, absolutely no malice intended; I'm sure we're both well meaning people 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 11:46 PM
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Because it objectifies and commodifies women’s bodies. So what about construction workers, tradesmen, people in the military? They're utilising their bodies in exchange for money...what makes these any different and why is sexuality held up as more sacred? Most of the women don’t want those jobs but they are doing them because they need money. As stated before, most of the escorts I've seen were mentally stable, pleasant, living in nice flats, no whiff of a pimp, and genuinely enjoyed what they …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 09:48 PM
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And I'm going to continue to enjoy putting two fingers up to all those BS unwritten social rules. This little brown boy is going to get rich (well on the way to that btw) and see as many escorts as he wants. Once again, fuck the system and its unwritten rules 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/22 03:57 PM
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Actually in most countries escorting, i.e sole trader at her/his own house, is actually legal. It's street walking and other shady stuff that's often banned. That's pretty much the model in the UK, Germany, Denmark, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/22 11:18 PM
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Thanks you've given me a lot of good arguments there 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/22 11:44 PM
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I can fully respect that 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/22 08:21 AM
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No probs 😁 Yeah I think the US' criminalisation bent really shoots itself in the foot a lot of the time. I love America though, when I'm rich I'm gonna get a holiday home in Texas or something, if only to shoot rifles at targets all day 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/22 12:54 AM
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I have slight difference in outlook, but I can genuinely respect that 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/22 12:51 AM
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I get your point but I slightly disagree in that I think it's a mix of both those factors. But I suppose we are more or less on the same page here. The only part where I agree with you strongly is the "loser guy" part...in my mind as long as the guy is nice and respectful it seems fine in my mind, maybe a little pathetic but it certainly won't colour my opinion of said person.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/22 12:50 AM
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I never grouped women as a monolith in my wording and certainly didn't mean to. Happy to amend if there were any parts that seemed that way 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/22 12:39 AM
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So basically you've proven my point to the letter?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/22 12:37 AM
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Of course, my entire post was in reference to legalised and regulated sex work (like we have in the UK). Even normal guys like myself can see these types of escorts, although they're certainly not cheap (around £200/hr) and more of a monthly/few times a year sort of event for me lol. The escorts that I've seen were polite, mentally stable, lived in seriously nice flats, often single bedroom, no whiff of a pimp and, honestly, they had their lives in even better order than mine 😂 Just to be clear:…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/22 12:36 AM
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Any reasons why he shouldn't? As a guy that's had some really positive experiences with the (legal) sex workers in my country, I'm genuinely curious...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/22 12:09 AM
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Most sex workers in legalised countries are not trafficked, this is mostly anti sex-work feminist propaganda.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 09:43 PM
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What's the difference between a man flaunting finances and another flaunting physical assets? UNCOMFORTABLE TRUTH: They're both equally shallow but the powers that be in the western world (i.e. Disney, Hollywood, Fashion, etc.) have convinced it's denizens that one shallow trait is inherently morally superior than the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/22 09:28 PM
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Yes exactly, I would agree with that to an extent. Certain elements of female privilege in the dating market are definitely to the detriment of the human race. I like to work my way up from core, fundamental truths as I find it combats double standards and hypocrisy in my own arguments. ...which I why I tend to piss off people on both sides of the fence on here 😂😂
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/22 06:13 PM
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Did you even read and comprehend my comment?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/22 06:08 PM
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I have a unique way of looking at the world and kind of have my own definition of morality. I'll try to summarise to avoid boring: Humans became the dominant species on earth, not by being the biggest, meanest or strongest, but by being COOPERATIVE. So my entire moral philosophy is based on that foundation and works upward from there. If it doesn't facilitate cooperation, then it is immoral and against the interests of the human race.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/22 06:03 PM
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I think I'd rather stick to escorts than compromise my morals so thoroughly as to put another human being, let alone a woman, in that sort of mental anguish. And that's coming from a 5'1 dude who has profoundly struggled with dating. Anyone who even entertains OPs point needs to take a long, hard look at themselves in the mirror imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/22 12:10 PM
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I've visited sex workers in the past and had a great, positive experience (for all parties involved), contrary to what the prudes on here say 😂 I'm probably going to take it easy in the future, but only cos I'm saving my money. The experience has really demystified sex for me, which I think is another thing a lot of men should really experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/22 08:07 PM
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Population decline will not save the species. I've posted articles about this on here before and it's worth reading more. In fact, population decline is likely to be the decline of human civilization itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/22 07:20 PM
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I'm a short 5'1 brown dude, slightly chubby but with good proportions and figure/shoulders etc. I was born in the UK so don't give off the "ethnic" vibe too much. Facially I've been told (even by random non-biased people) I'm very good looking. I have very good beard growth and that gets compliments too. So kind of a brown Dudley Moore hahaha. So short answer, yes, I'm very attracted to chubby, short ethnic women with nice faces (i.e. my "match")...but I only seem to see these types of women wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/22 09:13 AM
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I think the powerlessness thing is 100% on point. To put a positive spin on this: rather than whining, the men on here should focus on what their REAL options are - namely, and in order: Self improve>date a foreign person/move abroad>Lower their standards (as you rightfully mentioned)>see a (legal) sex worker>pursue other things>[this one's further out] wait for sex-tech stuff like AI partners and the like.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/22 02:27 PM
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it's simply not needed for the survival of the species How is a declining birth rate and eventually global population decline the survival of the species? 😂 I accept your other points though and admit my comment was an oversimplification, there are multiple factors at play for sure. But I would be hesitant to remove male and female dynamics from that formula completely. I could just as easily ask: do you really think male/female dynamics plays ZERO role in a multivariate analysis of the causes o…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/22 09:21 AM
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This article is based on a Lancet study on global birth rates: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53409521.amp
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/22 08:45 AM
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Exactly this. There are numerous peer reviewed studies highlighting a shocking decrease in birth rate and a probable shrinking population in some western countries before 2050.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/22 08:42 AM
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It is, but the (numerous) studies on birth rate decline are pretty conclusive about the state of male/female dynamics in the western world.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/22 08:40 AM
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Yup I have an acquaintance (that I'm not into) that preaches on a high horse about extreme feminism...but has groped my ass and torso multiple times when play wrestling with my male buddy. She was explicitly not involved in the wrestling btw, and even if she thought she was, straight ass groping is a new wrestling move to me. If the genders were reversed...well...let's not even talk about that. And I don't even bother mentioning it on here cos the average snarky PPD'er will tell me to f-off in l…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/22 02:56 PM
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How can we move forward when men here keep going in circles? Agreed with the going in circles part - this sub does get exhausting, even as a guy that struggles with dating lol To answer your question directly - by focussing on pragmatic solutions. I'll give some examples: If a man can't find a partner he's attracted to he has the following options in order: Self improve>date a foreign person/move abroad>Lower his standards (as you rightfully mentioned)>see a (legal) sex worker>pursue other thing…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 06:57 PM
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Do you think dating apps are the only reason these men aren't getting sex? I think dating apps are a big reason because they connect us to a far greater number of people than we had access to historically. There are other reasons, such as women's entry into the workforce and greater educational attainment (and I will add I'm not suggesting for a moment those are bad things, I was of the opinion that we were having an objective debate) Don't you think maybe the fault lies in men. Most men are obe…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 04:21 PM
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It's been a long time since I did my Economics degree but I'll try my best lol. Blanket percentages are often tricky. What we need is the DISTRIBUTION of that data. However, as you said yourself: Most men don't want to settle before 30. So, let's make a sensible assumption that the distribution is skewed towards older fathers. Here's the rub: That's the cohort that overwhelmingly dated pre-online dating and even pre-internet (especially if that data is from around 2014). These are the people tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 03:54 PM
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That data about male fatherhood made me chuckle... Some very...aspirational...data interpretation going down on PPD today lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 02:56 PM
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Haha yeah I'm still waiting for OP to help me out here 😂😂
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 02:25 PM
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"above the age of 15" is awfully vague lol So presumably that would include 45+ year olds who probably dated before the prevalence of online dating and even the internet? 😂😂 In fact to quote the study itself: "Among men ages 20 to 29, 21.2% of white men, 24.9% of black men, 12.4% of Asian men, and 29.4% of Hispanic men are fathers" SO...in the timeframe that matters: Around 80%, 75%, 88% and 70% of white, black, asian and hispanic men aren't fathers respectively...paints a rather different pictu…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 11:58 AM
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The sole reason?... really!? That's one hell of a jump my man. Birth control? Online dating? Women moving into the workforce? You're saying that the above has had ZERO effect on male loneliness? Heck I can even find liberally minded articles/studies arguing that the last post is a cause lol. [And yes, I know I'm on PPD, the strawman capital of the internet, so I will add that the above points are NOT bad things, I agree with all of them, I am stating them for the purposes of debate]
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/22 11:24 PM
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As stated below, those advancements are coming regardless - trying to stop them is like throwing a grocery bag in front of a freight train imo. All genders should adapt to changing situations and the above is just another example. And it's also worth pointing out those technologies will give women certain advantages too.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/22 09:01 AM
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Fully agreed 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/22 08:59 AM
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Meanwhile people trading for relationships on the currency of looks - as seen ubiquitously in western culture - is completely okay and socially acceptable...because Disney told us so. But tut tut tut, the exchange of monetary currency automatically makes people psychotic. Got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/22 08:41 AM
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Yeah I think you're getting lost in semantics bro. Like the word "Hooker" has negative social connotations, but "Sugarbaby" implies that the man is of social status and is looked at relatively more favourably... ...but don't get it twisted they are all sex-workers/escorts. And this is coming from a guy that's heavily pro sex-work legalisation. Just see higher end escorts my dude, don't listen to the Prudes on here - the truth is they are often obsessive about protection and sexual health, and of…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/22 08:34 AM
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Talking from experience... ONE TRILLION PERCENT AGREE. I know it's counterintuitive to the prudish "social narrative" but seeing escorts actually felt WAY mentally purer (for both parties btw) than struggling with half interested women, or even sleeping with women I wasn't attracted to and stringing people along, which is something I hate. 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/22 08:22 AM
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I don't know what's with your snarky tone but we are in agreement lol... Again, to literally quote myself: "men and women should find pragmatic solutions and look forward rather than trying to emulate the past". I do disagree re: your first point though. Pre-female sexual liberation men had a tremendous amount of power and resources such as money, social connections and the like were frequently traded in romantic relationships. Once again, don't get me wrong, I'm NOT saying we should go back to …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 05:42 PM
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Stuff we can do now: *More investment in mental health support *More focus on commity based stuff and making platonic friends/increasing social circle *Teaching both men and women that romantic relationships are not the defining part of their lives *Legalisation and de-stigmatised sex work More far out: *AI partners *VR *Advanced sex-tech *Artificial wombs *etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 05:03 PM
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And you 100% have the right to. I wasn't even implying that things should regress. In fact, to literally quote myself: "men and women should find pragmatic solutions and look forward rather than trying to emulate the past" 😂😂
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 04:52 PM
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Upvoted. I fully agree there's more nuance to this. Trying to summarise was a little challenging lol - come to think of it that's a hopeful thing 🙂
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 03:58 PM
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With respect, I think there's a lot of strawmanning going on with your response. Are you saying that less-than-attractive men and women who get together for either casual or LTR would have to be considered "losers"? No, not at all...pragmatic solutions may be anything from better investment into mental health support, more incentives to socialise with friends, all the way to more fanciful (but surprisingly close) stuff like AI partners, VR, and advanced sex-tech. It's not necessarily better for …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 03:56 PM
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It's a section of culture (dating) in which men hold more power than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 03:35 PM
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Yes, I think I would agree with this more or less 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/22 02:21 PM
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Just TRY telling the average woman to "lower her standards"...and then settle in for the fireworks 😂 Humans should NEVER settle if they don't wish to, that goes for all genders. I think when some of the women on here tell men to "settle" there is a sense of schadenfreude that can often be detected in their tone. As if they're trying to get back at men in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/22 08:13 PM
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BREAKING NEWS: rich guy confused as to why most of the world is poor when he is rich. More after the break.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/22 12:31 PM
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Because the (B.S.) unwritten social rules state that the currency of looks and status is morally superior to the currency of...currency... And 90% the people on here believe that Disney crap down to the bone.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/22 07:20 PM
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I disagree hard. I think the modern younger generations lack the knowledge of what it was really like pre-online dating and pre-"me too" (I'm not glamourising this though don't get me wrong). Example: my dad's friend looks like a brown version of gollum, did well for himself as an accountant, and back in the 70s and 80s he often recalls how he often took women home from the club in the weekends...and this was in London... I know you're going to say the above was fabrications, which I would as we…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/22 12:49 PM
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I have a decent amount of awesome female friends. I see some of them less due to COVID, but they're still in my life in one way or another. Unfortunately, despite these friendships, I still maintain that the modern dating market is incredibly hostile to men as it stands currently.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/22 10:49 PM
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Instagram is essentially a backpages for rich men, so no I don't use it... ...ask me in about 10-15 years when I'm a wealthy retired pervert 😂😂
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/22 10:42 PM
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Short guy as well here 5'1 (Indian Island genes 😂). I have to say the height thing is definitely slowly changing in the western world. We're seeing couples like Zendaya getting positive recognition; different male bodies entering the conversation; Peter Dinklage getting leading roles; etc. But I have to admit there's still a way to go. I'm 32 now and I've had a little sexual success but none recently...and by the time height discrimination is no longer a thing I'll likely be around 40. ...but st…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 09:20 PM
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Born 1990 her so not super old but still old enough to remember what the landscape was like pre-online stuff - long story short I think a lot of people are severely underestimating the impact that apps, etc. have had on the dating market. For example: pre online we were only exposed to our immediate social circle...now that circle has widened to hundreds of thousands, if not millions. Here's my takes on the pre-app landscape: *Women were WAY more open to inviting people to mixed gender social ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 08:35 PM
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It seems that men are much more interested in sitting around blaming women instead of working together to actually solve the issue. It's funny, because whenever someone makes a post about how to "solve the issue" the only responses I see are "why do we have to solve men's issues?"/"suck it up"/"why is lonely men a problem?"
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/22 10:01 PM
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I agree with you 100% op. But let's be honest - women say this to men just as much, if not more. The truth is no one, male or female, is OBLIGED to settle. For example: I know that as a small, brown dude with decent standards my chances are slim or at the very least I will have to wait. But even so, the life I live now is WAYYY better than being in a relationship with no mutual attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/22 09:42 AM
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Cars, driving, racing and go-karting are my biggest passions in life since I was in nappies. I may never be a romantically successful guy, but when I'm driving or racing all those worries go away. So my retirement will probably be buying a Caterham or Ginetta and entering into a race series for oldies with money 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/22 10:22 PM
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Thanks man. It's a cliché I know, but I'm actually a very well adjusted, extroverted guy outside of this forum...so I'm trying not to get too negative 🙂 You're a well needed positive voice in this sub I must say 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 10:45 AM
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I've had this before lol. Girl literally waited for the bill to come at a Thai spot before rejecting me. I gave her a lift home but I have to admit, the thought of just leaving her there did cross my mind 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 10:34 AM
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That's how rich people thought in the era of the bubonic plague... ...turns out that bacteria don't care about high walls and private villas, they infect both rich and poor all the same. In just the same way, male loneliness, birth rate decline, etc. are problems with huge negative externalities that most people won't heed until it's far too late.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 12:47 AM
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Tbh, as a guy, I mostly come here to discuss how we can fix dating problems and future trends. All while trying to keep a positive outlook on everything for all genders involved. Most guys I've seen on here are roughly the same, but I do agree there are some cringy comments from time to time.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 01:49 PM
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My point was regarding technological progress, not the innate feasibility of human flight. It'll be easier if I directly state my point rather than argue in circles with you: Humans underestimate technological advancement in the long-run, even the Wright brothers themselves did this when referring to their thoughts on crossing the Atlantic (they pictured flight being for shorter distances). But anyway, I'm not going to argue the minutiae with you, so apologies if my wording was a bit wooly (it's…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 12:56 AM
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There was still widespread global skepticism regarding human flight even during the various phases of the Wright Flyer post 1903. Even the Wright brothers themselves thought transatlantic flight was, to quote them directly, "absolutely foolish". So I maintain...even during the dawn of manned flight, people still couldn't see further than their noses.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 04:40 PM
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Exactly my point. So I am guessing women don't ever apply for Unemployment benefits in UK because if they do, it definitely means they didn't try all employment opportunities and gave up a lucrative job of being a prostitute. JSA right? Oh and this point is so ridiculous it literally made me LOL...our benefits system in the UK is robust and well utilised by all races, ages and genders. With the greatest of respect you're talking out of your ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 01:38 PM
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...said the average person in the 1900s when looking at flying contraptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 01:35 PM
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I would say being forced to blow a guy because you need money to buy food is coercing. Wouldn't you? Pimps just facilitate the exchange of service for money between 2 consenting adults. Just like many people in many services do. My father's job for a long time was facilitating the exchange of service (transporting goods) for money between 2 consenting parties. Should they all be illegal? Dude, who the hell is talking about forcing? I'm talking about non-pimped sex workers doing sex-work willingl…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 01:33 PM
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Why do you assume only men can enjoy sex work - is there some biological component that makes women incapable of enjoying casual and/transactional sex? Also how is Tinder different really? One is a mostly shallow exchange using the currency of looks. The other is a shallow exchange using money. Why do you value the currency of one shallow exchange over another? And more importantly what placed that preference in you? I'm willing to bet it's things like the media, cultural traditions and Disney m…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 01:09 PM
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Sex work is legal in the UK, Germany, Denmark, Japan, New Zealand, Switzerland, Australia...among many others. ...yeah all those countries are so barbaric, primitive and wrong! Honestly, this sub should be renamed Purple Prudes Debate it's ridiculous 😂😂
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 01:04 PM
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When people want to legalize sex work, are they also okay with treating sex as nothing more than a service similar to other services? Yes, the government should not intervene in what two consenting adults (that are not coerced or pimped) want to do. Would you feel equally bad for a guy who had to get a job at McD to avoid going homeless as you would if a girl had to become an escort to avoid going homeless? I wouldn't. I would feel worse for the girl and not much for the guy. Why do you attach g…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 12:58 PM
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Artificial wombs and UBI will save the day
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 11:40 AM
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Ahhhh thanks brother 👍 Yeah I've seen a few sex workers in the past myself tbh, they were pretty cool people tbh and I'm pretty open about it with my friend group (you'd be surprised how little people - even women - give a shit about that stuff 😂 if anything they're curious 👀). I do think that the percentage of men seeking sex workers will increase in the coming years, and sex work will become more socially acceptable - so this will inevitably have an impact on the sexual marketplace on some lev…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 10:39 PM
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OP could you explain your point in short words please? I've just come home from chugging some single malt whiskey and I'm struggling to penetrate all those syllables 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 10:19 PM
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Admittedly no. I've never been shown interest by a woman I found attractive. So I do accept my original statement may be flawed!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 02:17 PM
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Relationships are hard, but worth it. I think it depends on the context tbh. I've seen tons of new relationships where women have pursued attractive men. And they honestly turn into the dude's mother 😂 driving him everywhere, cooking, cleaning, even trying to rationalise him cheating, etc. I think the level of desperation some women have to secure a high value male is underestimated. Longer-term, yes, relationships are really tested. Fully agree there 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 11:35 AM
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For me, as an unattractive guy, the way I've been treated by women I was romantically interested in has shown me all I need to know about marriage. I've really seen the dark side in that regard. As a result, I think even if I was a bit "luckier" in dating, I would still be very wary of marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 01:05 PM
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c.p. I think women should do whatever the hell they want. But I also think that men should do whatever the hell they want. It's the second part that I think a lot of the snark-monsters on this sub have a problem with, but of course they'll never admit it 😂😂
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 12:59 PM
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One trillion percent agree with you OP. I may be an "undesirable" male, but I know that being with someone that I'm not attracted to is 10 times worse. I also have a feeling that all the snarky, callous comments you see on here towards men would be very differently received were they targeted at unattractive women 😂 Just an example I saw a few weeks ago: "unattractive [GENDER] should just accept their place in the dating market" 👀😂 So many selfish autists on this forum with zero sympathy for the…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 12:52 PM
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Cor...this is a tough one tbh. As a very short dude, there's no doubt being "conventionally attractive" would be of tremendous benefit to me. On the other hand being financially stable has allowed me so much security with health, travelling, future opportunities, etc. However, it almost goes without saying, in the western world currently, financial security contributes almost ZERO to romantic success (unless one is willing to travel abroad, etc.). And I'm not having any of that "transactional" b…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 01:08 PM
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Jordan Peterson's model on hierarchies is essentially spot on. Basically pyramids within larger pyramids.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 02:59 PM
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Jordan Peterson's analysis of hierarchies is a better model. There, that's how to answer a question without being a snarky prick 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 02:57 PM
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I mean, I see where you're coming from my friend but you're essentially retconning the meaning of the word "alpha" as it was coined in its original usage 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 10:03 PM
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Yeah slight hyperbole, apologies!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 09:35 PM
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😂😂😂 Sippin gin and rippin faces off
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 09:35 PM
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Yeah fully agree with the female friends part that's a big advantage imo! My female friend tried to subtly set me up with an attractive dental nurse...she still rejected the hell outta my super short ass but it's great to have a network! 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 09:32 PM
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Oh I fully believe in social dominance hierarchies. Like I said - don't get me wrong. I just think the Alpha/Beta/etc. stuff is low fidelity and men deserve a better model. For example, Jordan Peterson's talks on hierarchies are essentially spot on (and no I don't agree with everything the man says 😂)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 09:22 PM
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I mostly agree with you my friend. However, I do think a large proportion of below average guys have it tough in today's dating market. BUT, as I'm sure you'll agree with, even if you're below average there's definitely things under one's control that can improve your situation, i.e. career, social groups, personality, heck even seeing a sex worker 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 09:20 PM
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Completely disagree. The way it's presented online is almost 95% as an absolute set of traits that is universal. As said before, I'm a guy that's 100% for male rights and anti-extreme feminism but we need to call out the bullshit if we want to move forward imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 08:58 PM
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Nobody cares? So why is there a multi-million dollar industry on YouTube with guys starting podcasts about how to be an Alpha/Sigma/Gamma/Zeta/Theta male? Why is literally every other male TikTok that same fucking Sigma male beat to a shit peaky blinders scene 😂😂😂 People care tremendously about this shit dude. Don't lie to yourself. And once again I'm a dude that is very much anti-extreme feminism. I just think it's important, as men, to be honest with ourselves once in a while.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 08:49 PM
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Yeah I think both genders tend to find it hard to "look at themselves in the mirror" tbh...and you can see that in some of the comments here. For example, hypergamy is so obviously true imo. Just look at the vast majority of couples where the man is taller...this is essentially a basic form of hypergamy. It's not good. It's not bad. But it definitely helps to be honest with ourselves about our positives and negatives as a gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 04:15 PM
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I think I can agree with that! 😁 Yeah I always thought the 80/20 "SPLIT" thing was a bit silly. With the best description, I think, being "approx. 80% of male loneliness is caused by the behaviour of approx. 20% of the population". As you stated, obviously the above is not a "split" 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 02:21 PM
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Isn't there a conflict in what you just said? Attraction being non-negotiable. this whole "only looks matter, and any woman who does not immediately drop her pants upon seeing a single photo of you is not attracted to you" has to be the number one most frustrating position on this sub. Isn't the second quote pretty much negotiating attraction? Gotta be honest, I must respectfully disagree with you re: hypergamy and the modern dating market being (somewhat) of a Pareto-like distribution.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 01:29 PM
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Hmm I think I would agree with those points. The 60/40 point is interesting as I think there was a guy on here who did a bunch of stats on dating sites/apps (admittedly not a super large sample size though)...and I belive he concluded that hypergamy was very much true but, as you said, more akin to 60/40 than the more pessimistic Pareto distribution. I know it's not "data" but, looking at my life intuitively, I have to admit 60/40 feels very accurate 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 12:52 PM
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Great input thanks! 😁
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 12:20 PM
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Don't forget reading - I love reading sci-fi!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 11:13 AM
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Thanks - yeah to be fair I was also really immature at the time so can't leave that out as a piece of context 😂 But yeah I do agree with you that we need to stay civil...manners are always important! 😁
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 11:03 AM
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I respectfully said something along the lines of "sorry, were just not compatible" to a girl that was pretty mercilessly stringing me along.... ...she then proceeded to block me on all social media and tried to turn several friends away from me. Let's stop insinuating that there's a magical verbal code that will reliably elicit amicable outcomes from imbalanced relationships. Both women and men are flawed and complex. And to be very honest if a man, or woman for that matter, has to take serious …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 10:45 AM
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It's even worse than a lack of awareness about this on here. I remember posting articles and peer reviewed journals on upcoming population collapse and how this is bad for all genders. As I recall, the journals showed a sharply decreasing population in about 30-40 years time. A few days after there were literally a bunch of people posting "uhh yeah so I woke up today and society hasn't collapsed....where's the problem?" The level of ignorance and short-sightedness on here is staggering sometimes…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 02:14 PM
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Finally, 30-90 don’t need to improve, they just need to figure out how to beat these terribly designed dating apps lol This point REALLY resonated with me. I know I'm responding to data with anecdotal evidence, but even as a tiny little brown guy, I used to get SO much more female attention before the rise of online/app based dating. Women back then also seemed more open to mixed gender gatherings; "will they won't they" type scenarios and would invite me to events, etc. I pretty much NEVER get …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 01:48 PM
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I appreciate the advice 🙂 I have already settled quite a lot in honesty, but even those women don't seem to be interested in me. Although, I fully admit my lack of effort over the past few years could be a self fulfilling prophecy of sorts...I always try to keep an open mind! I know this is a massive cliché but I'm actually a really normal, extroverted person with a large friend group (male and female) outside this sub. I guess I should get away from here a bit more 😂😂
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/22 12:19 AM
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Not a problem - I truly believe it! 😊 We're more similar than we are different and we should be working hand in hand to solve our problems...cheesy but true! I think this decade holds some real promise in alleviating male loneliness...but again we can't just use that as an excuse to treat women badly, I'm with you there 1000%!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/22 12:12 AM
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Well I'm a 5'1 brown dude in a western country, with reasonable (albeit not crazy high) standards. I'm not a bad looking guy all things considered but, even so, at my height that's pretty much murder-she-wrote re: dating 😂 My personality is one that doesn't accept compromise or settling, so I guess I just decided to go down the escort route. Again, and this bears repeating on this forum: I'm no woman hater at all, I bear zero grudges, and about half my friends are truly awesome women that I have…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/22 12:05 AM
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As the dating market currently stands for men like me, yes...I would MUCH rather pay. And I'm sure there are many, many other men just like me whether they admit it or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 11:59 PM
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Well, we're all different arent we? For example, I have quite high standards and don't want to settle. And before we go further: (1) no, I do not feel in any way entitled to female attention, physical or otherwise (2) i have made peace with being single, I was answering the question in the spirit of easing whatever loneliness men like me feel (i.e. the question was how do we help loneliness, NOT how do we make men settle) and (3) I hold zero grudges against women, pretty much half my friends con…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 11:42 PM
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Couldn't have said it better myself. I would add UBI to that list but we likely agree on that one I'm willing to bet 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 11:15 PM
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Nothing like a bit of ableism to round off an evening huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 10:49 PM
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The stats for global birth rate decline would say yes. https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53409521 There's also peer reviewed journals backing these trends up, but feel free to delve (or not) if you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 10:48 PM
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Thanks man! 😁 Life is just RPG stats for most humans. For example, I may be tiny, but I have very well off parents for example...so I never compare myself with other people, cos' you can almost never tell what someone's "loadout" is. There's hope for us guys in the next 10 years though...call me silly but I can just feel it lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 10:41 PM
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As a man that has struggled profoundly with dating, I must say these points are very practical indeed 🙂👍 I'm confident enough to say my bond with my family is the only reason I'm still on this earth.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 10:35 PM
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Right back at you my man! Indeed, most guys on here need to learn the subtle art of sticking two fingers up at the world......and paying the odd stripper chick every now and then. Brutal but true 😂😂😂 Peace.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 10:19 PM
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Well, as Charles Darwin said, it's not survival of the fittest. It's survival of the most adaptable...and it's clear at this point that men have to adapt. We're not going to change the nature of half the human population, so that just leaves the opposite. Just my two cents.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 10:16 PM
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I'm 5'1 due to my Indian island genetics 😁 And bloody proud of my body and heritage too! (and yes, fully aware of how "rough" I have it in today's dating market so don't worry about that lol) P.S. escorts make me feel 10 feet tall anyway 😉
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 10:12 PM
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Hmm maybe...I think that'll be hard to enforce in reality though. If you're talking production, if they ban them in, say, the US, then China et. al. would just immediately pick up the slack. If you're talking legislation on robo-brothels, maybe...due to planning permission laws and the standard community prudes lol But if you're talking personal ownership, then it's going to be almost impossible to legislate what's essentially a non-sentient appliance. There would be significant backlash from a …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 10:09 PM
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I think it's wise to keep our self esteem high bro 😁 And yes, don't hate women. In fact, my female friends really do enrich my life in certain ways. I do think technology like robots, VR, and socially acceptable escorting/sex work are right around the corner and things are changing fast 🙂 heck my female friends know I've slept with the odd escort and, if anything, they think it's exciting 😂 The times they will change!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 09:59 PM
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Hmmm I guess we'll have to respectfully agree to disagree I suppose 🙂
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 09:49 PM
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I 100% agree with you on focussing on other things 👍 very salient point! However I slightly disagree in that "single" for the majority of women is A LOT easier than it is for men. All my single female friends (and yes I have many lol) tell me about multiple, and frequent, sexual exploits. While my single guy friends...well, that's another ball game let's put it that way 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 09:45 PM
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I'm a very high T guy who has been a romantic failure. And tbh, I think honesty from a young age would have improved my quality of life tenfold. Again, I'm not a woman hater by any stretch, but when I was 16-21 some women really did take advantage of me and I think preparing me earlier would have been much more healthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 09:38 PM
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Invest as much as we can in sexbots/VR...cos that's the only way guys like me are getting any tbh 😂 Sexbots are actually closer than true VR imo. I think we'll see LEAPS this decade with robots. And don't get me wrong I'm not one of those women haters. On the contrary a large proportion of my friends are awesome women...but I think, as a very short brown guy in a western country, myself and millions of others like me are being left in the dust. Technology has always been, and will always be, the…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 09:35 PM
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UBI: social safety net whilst also preserving the free market 👍 Tbh, the way automation is going UBI is likely inevitable anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 03:56 PM
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(1) see sexworkers (2) realise there's more to life than dating (3) ???? (4) profit.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 03:53 PM
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I think the comment above summarises this brilliantly. In all likelihood, most men have had years of bad experiences "in the field" before finding sites like this. OP definitely has cause and effect the wrong way round. HOWEVER, there is a fair point in not moping around in your house all day, etc. Just because the dating market may be adversarial to some men it doesn't mean there isn't a great, wondrous world out there to explore 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 03:48 PM
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I'm on exactly the same page my dude 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 01:26 AM
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Exactly my experience too! I'm literally a 5'1 millennial brown dude (but facially attractive), and back in my Uni days around '09-'10 I used to get girls propositioning for sex surprisingly frequently. I kick myself nowadays as my standards were so insanely high back then and a lot of those women were slightly chubby but pretty enough types... Now days I'm 32 and have a few health issues so should have struck while the iron was hot! 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 11:08 AM
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Or just see high class escorts, cut the BS middlemen, and live life happily ever after.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 01:25 PM
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That's exactly the way to be man. Tbh, men seeing high quality sex-workers is going to become super duper mainstream this decade I reckon. Heck it's already semi socially acceptable here in the UK, and that's from both genders reactions'!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 01:24 PM
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Inb4 an American comments that "sex-work is illegal" as if the entire world is the USA.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 01:20 PM
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25, to an escort: I was a total romantic failure up to my masters degree so just thought fuck it and got it out the way. The girl wasn't that nice to me tbh, but I've seen some lovely escorts after that which were surprisingly awesome experiences. 28 if you don't count escorts lol...and yes the girl knew about my past and didn't really care 😂.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/21 12:55 PM
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Agreed OP. It's a bit of a tangent but I think the whole sexbot hate is also highly hypocritical when Tinder dehumanises to a much greater extent imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/21 12:52 PM
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Bad faith was probably a reason when I was much younger maybe around 18 (31 now)...but also the context wasn't the same back then - I was naive and the internet "man spaces" we're still in relative infancy. So I don't think you can make any bold assertions in that regard. Now I just use online men's spaces to feel less alone in all honesty; it's nice to know there are other guys out there that struggle with dating too. I'm pretty honest on here about being a 5'1 brown guy...so dating in the west…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/21 09:44 AM
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I would respectfully disagree. I'm a somewhat unnatractive male and I've been rejected pretty much equally by high and low socioeconomic status women. I have nothing against any class of woman, but I have to say that higher "class" women have been somewhat more accepting of an educated 5'1 brown guy lol... I love my blue collar friends but I do often feel like they see me as broken because I wouldn't make a good plumber or builder 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/21 10:57 AM
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This a fantastic comment and definitely made me think! Cheers my guy 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 11:05 AM
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Fully agreed. As with most things in life the truth falls between the extremes. Even as a guy who keenly understands where men have a shitty deal...I have to admit women have an equal number of problems to deal with as well. I think the key thing to remember is that both genders face different problems - that doesn't make one better or worse than the other...they're just different.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 12:27 AM
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OP, when men go on about sexbots it's not a "threat" for the most part. Obviously I can't speak for all men, but for the most part when sexbots are mentioned its very much in the vein of genuinely addressing their loneliness issues. I very rarely see "I'm gonna get sexbot and then those women will be sorry! Mwhahahaha!" I think a recent toxic trend between the genders is to strawman every male relationship decision as somehow being a sinister plot against women...I can guarantee that's not how 9…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 11:13 AM
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Nope. Next question please.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 11:08 AM
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That's fair enough and totally understandable! 😁 Even though I'm a guy that's sensitive to guy type stuff I've always said that we should change the definitions of masculinity instead of selfishly trying to change the world/other people! 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 09:11 AM
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Hahaha okay my friend. Thanks for your input.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 10:17 PM
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Or you could actually address the statistics that I've just linked you instead of rehashing clichés?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 10:13 PM
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How do you explain the recent stats for sexlessness on both male and female populations then? https://ifstudies.org/blog/male-sexlessness-is-rising-but-not-for-the-reasons-incels-claim There's even more recent data on this which shows an acceleration of the trend for both genders, but I can't seem to find it atm.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 10:09 PM
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Women are happier being single because the vast majority have options on the dating market...most know they can find a conventionally attractive man on Tinder in a few minutes if they so wanted...I wonder what that does for someone's self esteem? Also, and this is more anecdotal admittedly, I've had some women desperately try and keep me as a friend after rejecting me, even after I respectfully told them I would rather move on with my life. However, it's funny, the few times I've allowed this (w…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/21 08:29 PM
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That's because the discourse on here focusses on only one key pillar of TWO. (1) legalise and regulate sex work AND (2) DESTIGMATISE sex work via media campaigns etc. Only (1) will have no effect. However both (1) and (2) will be a SMP revolution that is actually to the benefit of both genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 06:59 PM
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Prostitution is legal in Nevada does that mean that all men in Nevada have decided to stop pursuing relationships with women? No. But nothing HAS changed in Nevada except an adaptation of law. If you listen closely most of the pro sex-work people on here advocate for the legalisation AND destigmatisation of sex work. This destigmatisation would level out the dating market quite well imo (while still not putting any gender under unfair pressure).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 08:12 AM
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In the UK escorts are legal and I've seen what some would call 9/10-10/10 women before. The charge is about £200 or about $300-400. And yes these women were emotionally stable, sole trader business owners with their own (very nice) flats...heck they had their lives more together than me! I do think a lot of the women on here exaggerate a lot about what the sex industry is like on a global scale.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 08:09 AM
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I'd lose most of my respect for him* *because of my outdated views on masculinity. Fixed! 😁
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 09:11 PM
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We're well on track to start the colonisation of Mars by around 2035...is that too late for you!? Heck Moon colonisation is starting even earlier than that if you look at NASA's Artemis program...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 10:53 AM
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Theoretically the population can keep going forever if we take Elon Musk and NASA's proposals of life becoming multiplanetary and (in the very long term) interstellar.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 11:47 PM
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I just think that while women were clearly subjugated by men throughout all of history until 40-50 years Yes, we are in agreement. Nowhere did I even allude to this not being the case and not being a bad thing. neither gender faces significant structural blockers anymore Absolutely ridiculous claim. For example, with the liberation of female sexuality, you're saying that a 5'1 Asian dude has no blockers to his dating life? 😂 And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this is a bad thing, the liberat…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 05:34 PM
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I don't fantasise about the downfall of society and I'm willing to bet most men don't either. I think most guys acknowledge that there's a problem and are looking for ways to minimise the effects. You're probably going to come back at me with some variant of "well the world needs less people, big deal"...honestly I've got no time to make the same arguments as I did earlier in this thread. If you look at my comment history you'll find cited examples of population decline and its effects on econom…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 05:00 PM
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As a self proclaimed SadBoi™ that has literally zero hope in relationships and focusses on driving nice cars for the love of it...I have to say this song could be my theme tune: https://youtu.be/EUwynJ-WHGo 😂😂😂
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 02:10 PM
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Ultimately, I think GDP might not be the best metric with which to understand demographic problems as a whole. As you said, an aging population would be great for GDP (at least in the short to medium run) as government spending is part of the GDP formula. However in the long run, I think economic stagnation will likely occur because of decreased consumption and investment due to an ever shrinking population (again, a la Japan).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 01:16 PM
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Completely disagree. You're going to face an inverted pyramid demographic structure: 1.) Huge and increasing elderly population 2.) No young people to look after them putting pressure on government services 3.) A double whammy of reduced taxable income in the economy combined with the aforementioned increased spending. And the "we'll just bring in immigrants" argument is also shortsighted because, as highlighted in the Lancet study, developing nations will also eventually face population stagnat…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 12:45 PM
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US birthrates hitting record lows: https://www.npr.org/2021/05/05/993817146/u-s-birth-rate-fell-by-4-in-2020-hitting-another-record-low Study from The Lancet highlighting that global population will peak in 2064. This is actually one of their "best case scenarios" with a possible peak being 2046 if all countries meet the UN's sustainable develolemt goals (unlikely but still a good data point): https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30677-2/fulltext#sec1 Of course nobo…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 12:36 PM
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The world will keep spinning. No it won't - the western world is essentially heading for a population crash. And btw if you think that's not so bad I would highly recommend doing some research on the damage this will cause.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 12:11 PM
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Respectfully disagree. Two words: population collapse.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 12:07 PM
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Thanks! 😁
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 03:19 PM
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I've said it a million times on this sub and I'll keep saying it. Men need: -Body positivity movement for men (similar to the famous Dove adverts in the UK for women); there is a little bit of this but women have way, way more. -UBI: automation eroding lower-end (and even higher-end) jobs puts traditional masculinity in direct peril. A UBI would go some way to placating a lot of lost men. -destigmatised and legalised sex work: this is already legal in my UK (and the stigma is nowhere near as bad…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 02:58 PM
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Mostly childishness and misplaced tradcon whining from the redpill/mgtow cirlces imo. Instead of yearning for a silly bygone era, a lot of redpill/mgtow types don't realise that sex-positive feminism actually aligns with their goals incredibly well. For example sex positive feminists are often huge advocete for legalised and destigmatized sex work (it's already legal here in the UK and the stigma is actually going down tbh). I'm a guy with mgtow'ish leaning and I think this sounds incredible! Se…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 04:53 PM
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(1)Online dating (2)Feminism (3)Birth control for women (4)Poor economic climate for upward socioeconomic mobility among males There, answered the question. [Also, I'm aware this is PPD, A.K.A the strawman capital of Reddit so I'll say this too: NO I am NOT saying the above is a good or bad thing, just making an objective statement]
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 02:12 PM
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Man this is so on the nose - the tribalism on here is scary and, if I'm being honest, most likely a result of past trauma. And this goes for both genders' arguments. I've seen childish stuff like: "women need to be treated like children" on here, alongside "unnatractive men need to accept their position"...and the list goes on. Just nasty, toxic stuff that's born from pain and fixes nothing. I remember trying to explain to this sub how some of my (less than attractive) male friends have politely…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/21 03:47 PM
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I'm alway hesitant to trust "studies", be they condemning of men or women in the dating sphere. They are often (1) not peer reviewed and (2) even if they are, are often not of a decent enough sample size to support the assertions they make. I did econometrics in uni and, although I've forgotten most of it, our professor always told us to look at those two things and to always be sceptical of research papers that took bold stances.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/21 11:14 AM
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1.) Your value and self worth is not tied to how successful you are with women, despite what cultural pressures and social media wants us to think. Cultivate some hobbies, friend groups, etc. 2.) Seeing (high quality, non-sketchy) sex workers is definitely a thing you can do, I've personally had some fantastic experiences with escorts. HOWEVER, if you have an addictive personality/already on a lowish wage then you might want to keep an eye on how that could affect your financial situation. That'…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/21 03:42 PM
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1000000% brother
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/21 04:41 PM
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Jeez, the strawmanning on this sub is like nothing I've ever experienced before 🤣 I never said, or even implied, that sex-tech will cause "upper percentile men" (let's just use that term) to "ditch real women". My point was that it would be a salve for a certain type of male loneliness. And before you say that sex-tech has a loser stigma, be aware that times change rapidly with regards to tech. The internet was at one point "just a replacement for the fax machine"; online dating used to be seen …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 09:31 AM
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That's a great question. Tbh a fix doesn't have to be a direct salve. For example, here are some spitballs: -More investment in mental health support for men: self explanatory really. -Legalised, regulated and destigmatized sex work: in my opinion the government should stay out of the way of what two consenting adults want to do; this would allow for a lot of men to at least experience as one form of intimacy. -Body positivity movement for men: tastes change historically, i.e. larger women being…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 11:40 AM
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It's all subjective really. As cliche as it sounds the stats are pointing to something akin to the 80/20 rule. Obviously this is brilliant for the approx. 20% of men - I'm certainly not one of them but fair enough I say! 😂 However I personally believe that a society where the overwhelming majority of your male population is lonely is a sad state of affairs...and talk of fixing this issue should not be taboo.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 05:55 PM
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I can't speak for everyone, but "men's space" stuff has made me feel much less alone knowing that there's other men out there that have faced a similar level of rejection to mine, i.e. catastrophic (lol). Which, being a very short ethnic looking dude, has been the defining negative in an admittedly peachy life. 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 12:16 AM
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I have no problem with women fully embracing their sexuality. God knows women have had a tough time historically so it's high time - any guy that doesn't think so is deluded imo. HOWEVER, I do have a massive issue with women who belittle the problems faced by men in today's dating market. There has been stuff even on this forum that I would consider some serious gaslighting with some additional strawman arguments thrown in for seasoning. I have a suspicion that a great number of the guys who are…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 12:01 AM
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1000% agreed. Legalised, regulated, and destigmatized sex-work would solve most of the problems that both the men and women on this sub constantly whine about. I would be seeing a lot more escorts myself if I weren't trying to save a bit of money 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/21 11:29 PM
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Fully agreed. This sub is just toxic men and women being toxic to the opposite gender based on their shitty dating experiences...and that's even when they're sometimes making good points.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/21 10:43 PM
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The brutal truth is that for the below average (and even average) men in the world, these technology solutions may be the only way to experience some form of intimacy. I think older guys like Bill Maher tend to take the view of "we must change the world, not the context"...good luck with those 7.9 billion problems lol. I welcome technological advancement because it's (1) almost inevitable and (2) better controlled and regulated if we learn to accept it quickly.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/21 10:11 AM
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