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When I go to bars with Asian friends, they always get carded regardless of age lol. Asian women women in their 30's do not look like grannies lol, they often dont look much different from their 20's. By western standards, asian men look a bit boyish in their 20's but look more manly once they get older.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/24 05:31 PM
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Most men do not age like wine. Dad bods are not attractive. If anything, an average in her 30s still has a lot more options than the average men in their 30s. If you are millionaire and good looking in your 30s, its a different story but that is a small subset. That's ironic since Asian men (and women) do age like wine. Of course, there's other issues with women being too old like being able to have children. That's why there's a popular derogatory term "leftover women" for unmarried older women…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/24 05:09 PM
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You're at home and you start making out. Is she responding? Good. Bonus if she starts touching you as well. Touch her, maybe the waist, does she respond? Yes. Touch boobs around now. She still responding? Trying to touch you? Good. Touch her clothes, does she help you take them off or alternatively get yours off? Good. Etc. The problem is some of these things can be considered assault. It depends on the person.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/21 05:23 AM
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Well, here's one involving a facebook post. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/facebook-award-is-a-wake-up-call-for-online-users-1.2689600 This one is currently in progress involving the French version of MeToo: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/18/world/europe/france-brion-muller-balance-ton-porc.html The civil code you’ve linked to appears to be in reference to publications, not an individuals twitter account. And the criminal portion refers to photos or recordings, not stories. …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/18 11:09 AM
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https://franceintheus.org/spip.php?article640 Defamation laws exist in North America as well. I’m not sure what you’re describing applies to the Me Too the way you envision. You think if someone in say, Denmark, tweeted that their coworker asked them if they could jerk off in front of them, the person who sent the tweet would be arrested? It's more like if someone sought charges against you for defamation, they would have a greater chance to win than in the U.S. Simply put, the U.S. justice syst…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/18 10:05 AM
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Many European countries have relatively strict defamation laws, and violations involving these laws can be criminal in addition to civil. Many countries, like France, also have strict privacy laws that forbid sharing intimate details about a person's life. Whether these laws are right or not is hard to say. But it is interesting to note that many European countries consistently rank higher than the U.S. in terms of gender equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/18 09:40 AM
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I don’t know what these men think the solution is. Ban women from tweeting about negative experiences until they’ve been proven by a court of law? This is already the case in some first-world countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/18 07:31 AM
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Again: You have a totally unrealistic concept of what most people make. "The U.S Bureau of the Census has the annual real median personal income at $31,099 in 2016." $35K/year isn't poor; it's above average! Why would anyone take your advice seriously when you know so little about what the average guy has to work with? You're out of touch. Ok, I was off by 4k. 31k is still enough. First you pivoted to minimum wage jobs and other unrelated topics, and now you're saying I was basically right. Feel…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/18 01:51 AM
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We're talking about a hobby that costs (at minimum) $3,000/year. A guy making $35K/year not only is highly likely to be in that "less than $1,000 in savings" group, but he's also highly likely to have some form of debt to his name. What's unclear about this? Obviously devoting 8.5% of your (pre-tax) annual income to a hobby when a car accident could leave you homeless is a bad financial idea. It seems clear to me now that you're not talking about being "not rich", you're talking about being poor…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/18 05:30 AM
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Again, most Americans have less than $1000 in savings. People making $35K are especially likely to fall into that category. A $3,000+/year hobby is pretty expensive for those people. Explain how a 35K salary isn't enough. Really, if a guy is having this much trouble with his finances, he probably has more important things to worry about than getting laid. I'm starting to think, from your posts, that you're still in college. You do realize that virtually everyone is broke in college, and the part…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/18 08:36 PM
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Honestly, your perception of what the average person makes might be off. I've had plenty of friends who party cheap occasionally tell me that they can't go out because they don't have the money to. I'd say 35K is an average salary. Take some off for rent and other expenses, and there's still enough left over for leisure. Note also that pregaming with Busch Light and Old Crow isn't exactly the type of house party that's attractive to many women. You pregame and then head to the bar/club, where yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/18 08:32 PM
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There's a big difference between "do anything... beyond the basics" and going out enough to where you're reliably going to get laid with that strategy. It's not that you have to have $20 in your pocket; it's that if you're going out every weekend you're going to rack up some bar tabs along the way. Yeah, you can party hard if you throw all your disposable income at that, occasionally get a shot on the house, and possibly run up some credit card debt. I know bartenders, too. But then you're broke…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/18 07:30 AM
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Not rich, maybe, but now we're talking about how to define the word rich. It's really easy to blow a lot of money if you're partying/drinking/doing drugs all the time, so you at least need to have a good chunk of disposable income and a job where you have a decent amount of flexibility. Just think about the costs associated with going to a music festival. You have to fly or drive out there, get a place to stay for a weekend (and it can't be shitty if you're using this as a vehicle to get laid), …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/18 12:30 AM
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you don't need to be rich for #2
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/18 11:47 PM
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Almost all nerd-bashing and feminist attacks on nerd culture really come down to attacking people on the spectrum (whom are like 80% male going by diagnosis) for social impropriety. The way feminist rules about what or what isn't "creepy" and the constant mixed signals are, at the very least, hell for those with asperger's. They don't say "get out, aspies." They say "get out you loser creepy neckbeards who are highly introverted, extremely cerebral, have weird cultural interests and don't act in…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/18 08:35 AM
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ok, but who villifies people with Asperger's? as far as i know, it's not politically correct in society to mock people with mental deficiencies
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/18 03:36 AM
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I still don't agree that for most people, "finding anyone" is easy. Most guys feel anxiety asking a woman out. Nobody likes rejection. Average guys will get rejected by the majority of women they're interested in. Many people stumble through their dates. I agree society attaches way too much shame to rejection, but for people beyond their early 20's, how often do people actually "villify" someone just for being single? Pity, perhaps. At that point, we understand that people are busy with other c…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 09:14 PM
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Are you suggesting that the majority of people have Asperger's? Also, you know nothing about me or the mental conditions I may have.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 08:15 PM
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But that's part of the problem. Dating isn't natural and mindlessly easy for the majority of people. If there really is much "villification", it's because people think their problems are unique in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/18 09:54 PM
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If you don't want to have sex early on, why not just tell him that? I guess that might be considered "playing hard to get", but to me it seems more like setting your boundaries. I usually associate "playing hard to get" with more deception involved, like pretending not to like someone when you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 08:14 PM
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Why not just ask him?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 07:19 PM
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It's more of a thing in cultures that are more conservative about sex. This article gives a decent explanation.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 06:24 PM
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Disagree, an attractive woman who"s financially secure would probably go for a guy like this. You see it all the time with celebrities
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 10:18 AM
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If a guy has all those other qualities you mention, he doesn't need to be that good-looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/18 09:49 AM
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If a person has expressed clearly that they don't want to engage, then of course you stop. Continuing on would be pointless. The poster I'm replying to seemed to suggest that even trying to touch and escalate is bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 09:40 PM
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So are we talking about sex or "groping"? Because it's well-known that touch can increase arousal in a person, and probably more so for women than for men. Basically, the purpose of touching and escalating is to help a person reach the point of enthusiastic consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 08:48 PM
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I think where a lot of this comes from is either: 1) TRPs belief that enthusiastic consent is BP or not "manly." Ironic, because isn't this supposed to be what LMR is about? If she resists, stop. Isn't that what you all told me yesterday? Whether or not these guys would/do actually push forward in the absence of enthusiastic consent IRL IDK, but they here feel they have to defend team red whenever the topic comes up because anything less would mean they look like BP betas. 2) TRPs/incels view of…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 08:08 PM
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I respect my friend /u/theiamsamurai because he is consistent, rational, and fair despite having some views that I strongly disagree with. He also has an intuitive understanding of people that I trust more than my own opinion./u/Atlas_B_Shruggin is another person I respect because I think she is perceptive and wise. On personal matters I trust her advice the most, despite us having a fundamentally different world views./u/fiat_lux thinks in the way I love the most, creative, logical, and critica…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 09:33 AM
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I find the notion of approach if you see positive signals a good one What are examples of positive signals? Why are women allowed to initiate with men but not vice versa? male entitlement that women exist for him and thus by not approaching them... Totally unfounded claim. male objectification that interaction is a numbers game thus by 'denying' him this interaction it hinders his chances at getting what he wants from women Meeting people is a numbers game. That does not equate to objectifying i…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 07:22 AM
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I don't think you understand what the definition 'approach' actually means. She didn't go near to or talk to anyone. You're using a very loose definition of the word when it actually means to go close to someone and then interact with them. Women who just try to look available do not approach at all. If you want to be pedantic, you can call it "initiating an interaction due to romantic/sexual interest". It doesn't change any of the major points I've made. We're talking about signals here, not si…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/18 01:21 AM
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As someone who agrees partly with feminism, things like these are distractions that dilute the movement, creating backlash that can prevent the more important issues from being addressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 10:15 PM
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I think it's all very situational. If I get hit on at like a bar? Fine, that's the place for that. But if it's at the grocery store, or if I'm just trying to buy gas, or if I'm at work, that's annoying. Just try to keep it to acceptable places, and use some damn social awareness. Yes, obviously guys should use common sense, but there is no established "place for that". Plenty of female friends have complained that they want to go to bars just to get drinks and hang out and don't want to be hit o…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 10:10 PM
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Ironically, many girls who are introverts do like getting cold approached. Why? Because these girls typically don't go to many parties or social events, and they don't have experience knowing how to give "signals". They prefer talking 1-on-1 vs in large groups. Getting cold approached is a great (and sometimes only) opportunity for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 10:00 PM
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I'm not really concerned about which one is harder. I do think women should be more open to approaching men. Nonetheless, if person A communicates in some way that she's interested in person B. And person B communicates a response of disinterest in some way that's picked up by person A, then there was an approach and a rejection. Sure, a woman could delude herself into thinking it was just ignorance, but it doesn't change the facts of what happened. If the guy really did miss the signal, then th…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 09:47 PM
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They both accomplish the exact same thing, which is initiating an interaction. At best, you could say that using signals is a less direct, less confrontational way of approaching. But signals suck cuz they can be missed or misinterpreted. And even the classic ways of giving signals can be confrontational, such as "accidentally" bumping into a guy, or initiating eye contact and maintaining it. For the latter, some women would even find it creepy if a guy did it, and many would prefer the guy to s…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 09:40 PM
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Of course they are, cuz in a party you know your audience is far more open to being hit on, whereas in public you don't know what their deal is. At the end of the day, the audience is "open" to those she finds attractive. Unless you're good-looking or have a lot of things going for you, the likelihood she finds you unattractive is higher than the likelihood she simply doesn't want to be bothered. But it's not like you can measure these things in numbers, so whatever. I actually do agree with you…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 10:46 AM
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Not really, because your odds of getting rejected on a cold approach are far higher. Even if that same woman may have been interested in you at a social event, she may not like being bothered while she's doing her shopping or whatever. If the guy is average looking, I'm actually not convinced that the chances of getting rejected on a cold approach are that much higher. And of course, there are still common sense guidelines to follow, don't approach a woman who looks like she's in a hurry, don't …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 10:20 AM
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I've never understood the whole "you should wait for signals" thing. If a woman gives a guy a signal that she wants to be approached, she is basically initiating the interaction. She is, in a sense, "approaching" the guy. So it's saying women are allowed to "approach" men, but not vice versa, which is BS. Then we have the infamous elevatorgate where a feminist by the name of Rebecca Watson freaked out because a guy politely invited her in his room for a coffee and she felt objectified (her words…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 09:53 AM
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From their POV they should realise that they are far less likely to get results and far more likely to get rejections if they're just hitting on random girls in public. Which surely is just a bad strategy? If you focus your efforts on girls who are open to being hit on, you stand a much better chance of success. Obviously 100% of girls at parties won't be into you and some will be in relationships etc but point is they will be expecting guys to hit on them so if they are available they're far mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 09:53 AM
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I don't like it when random people talk to me in public, whether they're men or women. But that is your preference. You shouldn't expect everyone to follow this.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 09:43 AM
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-inability to set boundaries -being nice not because it's the right thing to do, but doing so to please others
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/18 12:42 AM
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Did we? Your initial claim was that if you had stricter rules for immigration from >Romania, British gangs would take their place. Now you seem to be doing a U-turn on that position if your new claim is that they'll be operating outside the UK. Which is it? Make up your mind. What I've been saying, and I thought you agreed, is that the low-level operators can be UK citizens while the source is outside. It's like how the drug cartels are in Mexico while the smugglers and distributors are US. base…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/18 10:03 AM
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sexual attraction can involve other things besides looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/18 04:49 AM
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If the head is in the UK you absolutely can. But we already agree that the source is not in the U.K. Who is claiming this will stop 100% of all trafficking? No one. I am saying it will reduce trafficking. Which it absolutely will. If you put a lock on your door it is not going to stop 100% of burglars, but it'll still make your house a lot more secure than if you just left the door wide open. And I'm saying it isn't necessarily worth it. If you refuse to ever step outside your house, your chance…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 10:55 PM
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So then you completely agree with my point that if British gangs replaced the Romanian ones it'd be easier for LE to take them down? Cool. No, I'm saying it wouldn't make much of a difference. As you've said, you can catch the low-levels but you can't cut off the head. The base of operations would continue. These crimes are international and can involve actors of multiple nationalities. The British gangs would simply work with others to facilitate illegal activity from the source, which, as you …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 05:57 AM
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I agree with some of what you said, but there are good reasons why a teacher shouldn't have relations with a student.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/18 06:47 AM
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And what point are you trying to make? Let me give an example that is actually happening in the UK right now, since you bring up drug smuggling. It's become a big business recently to import alprazolam powder in bulk from China, press counterfeit Xanax bars, and sell them on the streets. Now because the people doing the pressing are in Britain, UK LE has been able to shut many of them down (really annoying, I lost a very good Xan plug from this), even though this organised crime group doing the …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/18 10:49 AM
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This is just an example of the problem with "Just Be Yourself". It tends to assume that "deep down inside" people are all the same people, and that those people are extroverted, attractive, confident, socially skilled and things like "in the middle of the range of the agreeableness scale". There is truth to this. Very young boys have no problem teasing girls, pulling their hair, being a little obnoxious etc, but they lose this as they get older. And girls like this behavior. So in a way, it is t…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/18 01:22 PM
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No shit, but you are missing my point. If a gang exists in a foreign country, UK LE cannot do anything about the gang itself. They can arrest gang members when they travel to the UK but that's it. They cannot go over to a foreign country to dismantle the organisation, and nor should they have to. They should be able to simply put restrictions on immigration from high risk countries where these gangs are allowed to operate due to corrupt LE, which thankfully they will have the power to do post-Br…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/18 01:14 PM
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No. No it does not. Not if you do not have those qualities to begin with. Telling a man who has no backbone/boundaries to just be himself, encourages him to continue to have no backbone/boundaires. That "is himself". I can see how JBY might not be enough information by itself. And perhaps I'm biased because I have a better understanding of boundaries now, but a person with no backbone/boundaries seems like an obvious example of not "being himself". That person is suppressing his desires/personal…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/18 02:16 PM
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Models by Mark Manson
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/18 07:02 AM
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Yes and the police arrested 30,000 of them in London alone in the past few years. But they can't do anything about the actual gangs based in Romania. You arrest a few thousand and a few more thousand take their place. You cannot actually dismantle a criminal gang that is based in a foreign country, and as a member of the EU the UK cannot put restrictions on immigration from Romania. Thankfully once we exit the EU this will change and I hope we do use that new power to rightfully place Romania as…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/18 02:24 PM
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And it's far easier for law enforcement to fight gangs that exist in its own country Not necessarily, since it would be far easier for them to blend in. And the Romanian gangs are operating on British soil. ... although since you mention Britain specifically it's only fair to point out that all the big sex abuse rings that are being uncovered are run by Muslim men and they were ignored by law enforcement for decades even though they knew what was happening because they didn't want to appear raci…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/18 03:43 AM
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What's the source for that image? A random upload to a Wordpress site is not a reliable source. Where's the data from? The source is a 2006 UN report: Trafficking in Persons Global Patterns https://www.unodc.org/pdf/traffickinginpersons_report_2006-04.pdf So again you admit that factors other than the legal status of prostitution play a greater role in the prevalence of sex trafficking. Super. Yep, I always believed there are multiple factors, and they are not mutually exclusive. Trafficking sti…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/18 11:48 AM
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https://proverbsbyefua.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/destination-countries.jpg This shows Australia as a common destination of trafficking. Same with the U.S., despite it not having "open borders". If it's lower in New Zealand, that's probably due to it having a smaller coastline and a smaller population to keep tabs on, unlike Australia. Criminals will commit crimes; they can find their way around border controls. Seriously, if the EU were to kick out Romania tomorrow I bet you that human traffic…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/18 08:53 PM
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There are plenty of good reasons to be pro-EU besides "importing voters".
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/18 08:03 PM
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Not sure what you're talking about. Income inequality is probably the biggest issue for the left right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/18 12:57 PM
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If you check Australia and New Zealand, both countries with very strict immigration policy and legal brothels, there is much much less trafficking there. Source? Neither Australia/NZ or western europe is high in trafficking, but it occurs in both. Demand increases the likelihood of trafficking.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/18 12:56 PM
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It can be an advantage as the guy gets older, since he has the benefits of age: confidence, experience, money etc, but gets to remain young-looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/18 01:16 AM
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Well, if the guy isn't confident, he's probably gonna have to lower his standards, at least for now. As for the Catch 22, the solution is baby steps. If he's not comfortable talking to strangers, learn to strike up conversations with strangers. Then, get comfortable having regular conversations with girls. Then, add some compliments/flirting into the mix. Then, start asking them out etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/18 01:12 AM
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Well, you probably have to lower your standards, at least for now. Like anything in life, if you're not good at something, you don't get to reap the best rewards without putting in the work to get there. For example, if you're starting to learn a new instrument, you have to get through the basics before you can play the really difficult stuff, even if playing the more difficult stuff is gonna give you the most pleasure and satisfaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/18 01:09 AM
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Approaching random women is a confidence-killer unless you're already very socially savvy or good looking. Eh, as long as you're polite you'll be fine. Clubs and events are a great way to practice social skills but you do need to learn to talk to woman in situations where there's clear intent.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/18 01:58 PM
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who said assholes can't get girls? the problem is if you think you need to be one.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/18 11:54 PM
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Having a stronger and more unique identity will help guys in the dating market. Maybe not in terms of quantity, but at least in terms of quality.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 11:54 PM
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I'm not saying he is an asshole. His comment implied that to get sex and attention from women requires a guy to be an asshole. I'm saying being non-needy and confident does not equal being an asshole.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 11:23 PM
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The good things that RP advocates are things everyone should be doing anyway, even if they have no interest in dating: lifestyle, being less needy, being comfortable with your sexuality. The issue with RP is the message that some people get from it, that getting laid trumps everything else, so they end up doing less savory things: being fake, being an asshole etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 10:22 AM
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You don't need to be an asshole.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 10:02 AM
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Dating is always a numbers game whether you change yourself or not. Being someone you're not probably isn't going to help your relationships. It's less effort and more fulfilling to not fundamentally change who you are and play the numbers to find someone highly compatible. Quality over quantity.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 09:59 AM
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If lifting was the blocker, or dressing better then sure. I think people who understand the Red Pill will generally disagree on the personality change though. If you have been a nice guy for your whole life, being able to act in your own self interest for the first time can be a total personality change. I don't think you really understand how deep some of these changes will go in order to make the little changes as you see them. I could argue that being a "nice guy" is suppressing your true per…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 09:53 AM
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I think the issue is a lot of RP guys think "not giving a fuck" is the same as being an asshole.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 09:44 AM
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good to see a reasonable person here.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 09:23 AM
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Yeah, there probably should be more talk about providing a new masculinity. That's partly why I think we're in a transition phase. I don't know much about Jordan Peterson, but in reading about him, he seems to be criticized for other things that are only tangentially related to masculinity. I'm not sure what nazis have anything to do with it. Good looks and having a good job have been and still is a factor. But I would say looks in terms of grooming and hygiene weren't as important back then for…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 09:27 AM
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I think male status is the thing that's lasted thousands of years. The difference now is what people perceive as status.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 03:19 AM
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Yes, by imagining a really hot guy. They don't imagine Bob the slightly overweight accountant. Why imagine? Why bother reading a story? Just get a magazine like guys do.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/18 08:22 AM
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Romance novels get them wet. You said so yourself that women like to get with guys that have a "bad attitude". That's not a physical trait. Again, the idea that an extremely wealthy woman would sacrifice her sex life for more money isn't very compelling.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/18 07:57 AM
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Not buying it. Successful women these days still like successful men even though they have no need of his money.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/18 07:36 AM
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Yes, there is physical attraction and psychological attraction. Psychological attraction affects both men and women, but probably more women. Both can be sexual and it's not even clear where one ends and the other begins. For example, if you're attracted to people with red hair, is that physical or psychological? There's nothing inherently physically attractive about red hair. It's why girls fantasize about being with rock stars. It's why women masturbate to romance novels and not playgirl magaz…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/18 07:27 AM
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Not really sure honestly. But nowadays, women don't need as much help with resources and physical protection anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/18 06:33 AM
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No, I think they could have genuinely been attracted to a guy because of his resources. Good looking people can always get laid easily, that hasn't changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/18 06:23 AM
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A is the ability to provide resources and protection. Since it doesn't fit with modern times, I don't think we should keep following that model. As I've said, there's no clear agreement what B is. If I had to guess, I would say that masculinity has always been tied to a man's status. But what determines a man's status nowadays isn't clear-cut and varies from woman to woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/18 05:20 AM
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As I said to someone else below, I wasn't clear in that I don't think masculinity has gone from A to B. I'm saying it's no longer A and we don't really know what B is, hence the difficulty transitioning. I would say in the past, a guy's masculinity was tied to his ability to provide resources and protection, which isn't as true anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/18 05:13 AM
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I guess I wasn't that clear. I don't mean that masculinity has gone from A to B. I'm saying it's no longer A and we don't really know what B is, hence the difficulty transitioning. I would say in the past, a guy's masculinity was tied to his ability to provide resources and protection, which isn't as true anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/18 05:10 AM
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That's a possible interpretation of the past. But I would say in the past, a guy's resources was directly tied to his status, and therefore his masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/18 05:07 AM
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I'm curious what culture you're dating in.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/18 03:49 AM
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The concept of masculinity has changed, and men are having trouble transitioning. And, thanks to technology and better economic situations, people are unable to accept less than the "best", although this is not just a problem in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/18 03:40 AM
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She more than likely tried to keep talking to him to get him to apologize for what he did so she didn't have to go through a whole rape case. Aziz apologized and it didn't do him any good.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/18 03:20 AM
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I used the Salem witch trials as an extreme example, because your point was so ludicrous. On a smaller scale, people have been enforcing social norms through speech policing for our entire history of living in groups. Your point was that while it's hard to "get away" now, it was also hard back then because the lack of technology made it hard to leave small communities. I said that, while that is true, it would also be more rare that someone needs to get away from his community over a questionabl…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/18 02:48 AM
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More like, people will always talk shit and spread rumors. Not at this scale. LMAO what? Salem witch trials, anyone? Uh, people generally consider the witch trials to be a very bad thing that damaged communities, and probably shouldn't be allowed to happen again. It's a very poor example of a good way to enforce social norms. Sexual harassment is much more serious than having your reputation tarnished. Sexual harassment in the workplace is bad because it affects work-performance and can have a n…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/18 02:26 AM
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Wait, we're talking about sexual harassment now? I don't know where that came from... I was making a point about your poor logic of: if something is bad, just deal with it. People don't say that about sexual harassment. It's bad, so people try to change it. Not necessarily. What about before modern transportation? People were limited to their communities, and a bad reputation could cost you everything. People in small communities back then also didn't attack someone's reputation unless it was ov…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/18 02:16 AM
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"Whether I thought sexual harassment was fair or not, I'd accept and deal with it, not whine about it online" And what if you don't believe you committed an offense? And this absolutely is something new. Yeah, people have been talking shit about other people since forever, but in the past that would be limited to within a community. So back then, it would be much easier to "get away". Now, with the click of a button, all 8 billion people in the world can know your business. And what about employ…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/18 01:49 AM
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I'm pretty sure you have said something offensive to someone before, maybe without even realizing it to this day. It's not just you, everyone has, it's part of being human. I highly doubt you think such a "punishment" for you would be fair. There are many legitimate problems in society: racism, sexual assault, etc but that doesn't mean there aren't both good and bad ways of addressing them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/18 01:03 AM
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Let's say you make a comment towards me in real life that I interpret as racist, even if it was inadvertent. I then make a web posting about you with a picture of you claiming that Freethetreees is a huge racist with other intimate details about your life. Now anyone who searches your name comes across my posting, including let's say potential employers. But hey, at least you're not in jail.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/18 06:33 AM
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Well I don't think it's idealistic. The age of information has changed everything and it's more important than ever that we adjust our values accordingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/18 05:35 AM
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I don't know about that. Isn't that why people make public accusations in the first place? Because it carries teeth? This might have been more true in the past, but in the internet age, information is more accessible than ever, so the ramifications are magnified.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/18 05:27 AM
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Then explain. Why is my point naive?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/18 05:26 AM
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The value is "It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer". Do you not think it's a good value? If it's good for the legal system, why is it not also good for the court of public opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/18 03:48 AM
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So you're saying it's naive to believe the public can improve their critical thinking skills? I suppose you can believe that, but it seems defeatist, and I would think we should at least make some effort to improve.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/18 03:43 AM
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I'm not really talking about the people making the public accusations, they can do whatever they want. I'm talking about how we, as the public, react to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/18 03:34 AM
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If it's a good value, why shouldn't people subscribe to it? Hate speech is legal, but most people condemn it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/18 03:26 AM
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I'm not saying it should be illegal, I'm asking why we should accept it as a society?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/18 03:00 AM
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"It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer", It's not a perfect system, but the legal system applies it for a reason. Why shouldn't that reason also apply to public opinion, considering how damaging it can be to a person?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/18 02:47 AM
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Feminism isn't supposed to deal with men's issues. I agree there should be a men's movement. and I haven't seen feminists try to bury it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/18 03:08 PM
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You're describing the fringe groups of feminism. There are disadvantages that women face and there are disadvantages men face. Nothing wrong with trying to improve both, and a masculine guy has no reason feel threatened by it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/18 02:09 PM
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didn't think promoting equality was a bad thing
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/18 12:25 PM
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but a man who has coerced/badgered an unwilling woman into oral sex Lol, no judge or jury is going to sentence someone for badgering someone into sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/18 08:59 AM
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Yes, male feminists are cringy and hypocrites. why?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/18 08:48 AM
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They had been performing consensual sex acts all night. She never told him to stop, only to slow down, so he continued doing what they had already been doing. And her actions suggested she was ok with it. He probably could have been more considerate, but that whole thing is a pretty bad way to give a "wake-up call", as seen by all the backlash (rightfully) that it received.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/18 08:20 AM
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Reforming dating is the next step. The attitude that “consent is everything that we can get away with legally and she can’t prove in court” in regards to sex has gotta go. That takes education, letting women know they don’t have to put up with it, and teaching men not to do it. The Aziz situation was a wake up call, which is why we’re all still analyzing and talking about it weeks later. Female centric sexual agency is the solution. Women need to be allowed to and taught to claim their sexual ag…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/18 07:08 AM
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Women look at porn too, and romance novels. And sometimes, people just want sex and nothing more. why is that wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/18 05:27 AM
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I think the important thing is to make sure she feels comfortable leaving you or rejecting you at any time. Being direct is good. Also, don't make sexually explicit comments to someone you don't know very well, unless you've escalated to that point.
/r/seduction13/01/18 04:36 AM
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I've read all the basic seduction / self-help things. After reading the Game, I've found out about Mystery's manual, and Neil Strauss StyleLife Challenge 30 days manual. The problem is, I REALLY dislike the idea of using canned material (even if it's just "temporarily" as training wheels). I'm looking for a manual with something like exercises for conversation with increasing levels of difficulties (something like the "talk for as much as you can about the things you did while getting here" exer…
/r/seduction13/01/18 04:30 AM
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actually now that i think about it, violent forcible rape in europe by migrants onto the white women who voted for more migrants, chalk that up to the don't care bucket as well You have any sources that show migrants rape more than natives? Genuinely curious, because I haven't seen any.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 01:07 PM
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There's a whole subreddit for this /r/seduction. I know you said "no PUA" but a lot of stuff on there is more about being "natural". As for books, check out Models by Mark Manson (This is probably the gold standard book on "how to get dates without being an ass") also, ,No More Mr. Nice Guy by Robert Glover
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 10:07 PM
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You can practice vulnerability on people who you have no reason to try to impress, to help ease your way into it, people like family, close friends, random strangers who you don't care about. to come up with interesting things to say, to give compliments, etc Seems like you're focusing on the positive only? Vulnerability also means opening up about the negative parts of yourself.
/r/seduction01/01/18 06:07 AM
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What you're really saying is guys can get laid by playing the numbers game. That is true, but why do they need to be sleazy?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/17 08:13 AM
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It seems like people are misinterpreting the question. OP is asking why average girls are attracted to him while below average girls are hostile to him. It could be because below-average girls are more likely to be insecure. They are afraid of their own sexuality and/or openly sexual guys.
/r/seduction24/12/17 10:45 AM
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Sure, not all girls will necessarily mind interacting with a strange man they haven't gave IOIs (though some will) but either way, since she isn't interested, the interaction will kinda stall at one point. This seems to suggest that guys should learn to figure out quickly if there's a lack of interest, and end the interaction if that's the case. This is why being direct is better. It's more efficient for both parties. Seems -from the guy's pov, his efforts would be better spent in trying to inte…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/17 09:52 AM
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Not in my experience. Not all girls give IOIs to strangers, but it doesn't mean they're opposed to interacting with one. Also, an IOI is basically a way of hitting on someone, just less direct. So you're really just advocating for people to be more indirect with their interest, which itself has many problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/17 12:44 PM
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A guy showing his desire to a woman can make her attracted to him. But it's true you can't be overly aggressive without IOIs first.
/r/seduction21/12/17 05:18 AM
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Eh, you're certainly entitled to your own preferences. But I've found that being subtle and indirect can lead to even more awkwardness and uneasiness. I would say being direct and polite is the way to go. As for dating people you already know, there are advantages to that, but also disadvantages. Sorry you got harassed though. Guys like that ruin things for men and women.
/r/seduction21/12/17 05:12 AM
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I don't doubt that. But it's like...a company might complain that they can't find someone with the necessary degrees and if eligible candidates made themselves more visible, that would make life easier for all parties involved. But they'd still complain if some random dudes constantly walked in and applied despite not having the slightest chance. That's kinda how I feel when it comes to women. I only know if I am her type if I talk to her but if I'm not her type, I'll be one of those guys who co…
/r/seduction20/12/17 02:25 AM
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That just seems counter-intuitive to me. Why would anyone be with someone less invested in them than they are in that person? Wouldn't you want equal investment? It's just psychology. People want to do a little bit better than what they are. Women want to date men who make more money than them, people want to date people smarter than them, more attractive etc. But you're overthinking this. The main point is that you should have a healthy level of investment when you first start dating someone. T…
/r/seduction19/12/17 12:13 PM
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The whole "be less invested than her" thing still irks me. If both parties involved followed that advice, it would just be an eternal spiral of caring less about your partner, which doesn’t sound all that loving… But why would she follow that advice? Women want to be with a guy less invested in her than she is in him. Anyway, not being overly invested in someone who you just met or just started dating shouldn't be some big effort you have to make. It should be part of who you are, a person with …
/r/seduction18/12/17 04:54 AM
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