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This is a lot different than self-delusion. You're thinking of imitation or pretending. Self delusion is believing something to be true when it is not. It has the possibility of leading to a beneficial result but most of the time, it will have a detrimental or handicap result, especially if your self-delusion lies in the warping of the perception of your environment or yourself. For example..believing yourself to be attractive when you're not isn't going to do you any favors. Delusion can only w…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 09:24 PM
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Probably would work for women who are interested in experiencing the millionaire lifestyle and trading sex for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 07:53 PM
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Proven effective =/= believed to be effective
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 07:38 PM
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I agree. I think it is a projection from their own insecurities and a lack of full understanding of the complexities and uniqueness of particular situations of human interaction. If girl cheats on guy, guy must just be better (more alpha)...guy cheated on (beta) must not be good enough. This is just a really self-deprecating way of internalizing being cheated on because there isn't enough of a sense of self-worth to defend the ego and not blaming oneself for being cheated on. If you already feel…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 07:35 PM
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Not a fan. From a physical attractiveness standpoint, I have never admired the overly bulky, veins popping out type of guy so to me that guy might as well be fat. As far as personality standpoint, the same. It takes an immense amount of time and energy to get to that point, meaning such a guy practically lives for the gym. That is fine for them, more power to them, but personally I prefer people with more well rounded hobbies...so fitness but also other, more meaningful interests. I find such pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 07:27 PM
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Ok thank you, I'll try to find the raw study and read up on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/15 09:52 PM
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Rape covers a lot more things than just walking down the street and getting attacked. Even that is an extreme example. So define it as a sexual act without a choice. All I meant by "once it's over it's over" is that the rape does have an end But it doesn't. The actual rape is merely the trigger for everything that follows that is actually attributed to when people talk about "rape." Just like the divorce trial is merely the beginning of everything that follows that people would actually attribut…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/15 09:49 PM
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Its statistically ture that women are diagnosed more often, and that men are underdiagnosed. According to what?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/15 09:40 PM
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You think losing access to your children is just "material"? I am saying "typically material." Typical divorces don't end with the man never seeing his kids again. If you want to talk about extreme examples, specify that. As it stands, my statement was qualified with talking about the average rape and average divorce. And for that matter I am not even arguing that divorce rape is a bad term, just the earlier post who said that rape "is over once it's over," is not an accurate depiction of what r…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/15 09:18 PM
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Women wear clothing that is noticeably more revealing than what men wear, to advertise their bodies. But incidences of rape isn't correlated with revelaing attire. Women flirt and tease but expect men to make the actual first move and ask them out on dates. Making a first move isn't even close to raping somebody. Women expect men to initiate physical contact by kissing them while on a date. Kissing someone on a date isn't raping somebody. Women expect men to finally after many months ask them fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/15 09:11 PM
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I think clothing does determine femininity or masculinity, but culture determines which articles of clothing are feminine or masculine. So clothing can be feminine, but your example points out that there's really little "inherent" feminine traits and masculine traits, and that typically they are set by the culture/environment
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/15 09:05 PM
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Well, generally speaking when people talk about how awful rape is they're not referring to just the event itself...the event itself may be painful and uncomfortable, but is not what makes rape so horrific. It is the trauma that follows. That's why you can't just seperate rape from the traumatic side effects. The equivalent of that is me saying, "Well the divorce trial is just a couple of hours so after that it's all over!" As you pointed out, there are things that the individual has to go throug…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/15 09:01 PM
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Women admit being depressed more than men. Women are more expressive/open about their emotions but I think to make such a claim there would need to be solid scientific evidence to support that. As it stands, most depression diagnostic metrics don't ask, "Hey are you depressed?" for that exact reason...instead they ascertain the level of emotional and life functioning of the individual.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/15 08:58 PM
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No, it's pretty clear that women are killed less because they are attacked less than men. To kind of flesh out what you said, I would say it's because women are less often in dangerous situations. Women are less likely to walk home alone, less likely to engage in fights, less likely to respond aggressively to someone else's display of aggression. They're less likely to be part of organized crime rings such as gangs, and less likely to commit crime in general that involves violence or has the ris…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/15 08:54 PM
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They are far more likely to self-report it, if in a questionnaire asking "do you have a mental illness?" Diagnoses or your standard depression metrics however don't show that bias. For example, if asked, "Do you feel depressed for most of the week," women would not report at a greater rate than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/15 08:50 PM
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but once it's over it's over A traumatic event doesn't end just because it's over. War veterans aren't suddenly happy campers after returning home...many suffer with inability to connect to people, unable to feel happiness, have horrific nightmares, loss of touch with reality, crippling depression that leaves them with the inability to function or support themselves...etc. Likewise with rape victims. Yeah, the physical occurrence of the rape ends, but the depression that makes them unable to do …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/15 08:48 PM
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Well, likewise, not every woman who is attacked by a rapist winds up freezing. Many have actually fought back and seriously injured their assailant. because they are trained or more naturally aggressive. This doesn't matter. Trained responses and muscle memory is useful but in terms of reflexes it doesn't matter. The neural mechanisms of reflexes are too simple to touch the parts of the brains that deal with what you are describing (learned aggression). They only touch the basic parts of your br…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/15 08:39 PM
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I disagree no man has ever been shocked he wandered off drunk with a couple of guys and got rolled for his wallet, but women are encourtaged to wander around like dupes There have been many stupid decisions made by men that resulted in negative consequences and likewise, not every woman wanders around doing whatever and expecting nothing to happen to her. In fact, both BP-ers and RP-ers would agree that generally speaking women walk around with a higher degree of suspiciousness, especially towar…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/15 08:28 PM
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Whatever makes you feel better.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/15 11:17 PM
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What course at college did you take to get mind reading? It's just basic critical reading skills. I think they cover them extensively in high school.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/15 06:48 PM
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How can anyone like someone for that long? It requires building a really strong bond but not everyone is capable of bonding like that nor do they want to put in the effort to create that kind of bond. I guess in your case is different because you seem to not have a need for that kind of a bond. My point was more along the lines of a relationship where everything is going well, but the guy fears that the girl will leave him as soon as someone else shows an interest in her. Even if you don't belie…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/15 06:46 PM
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People who push past usual boundaries within an inappropriate period of time (people who feel the need to touch you before that comfort has been established). And an even better indicator is that after you express discomfort, they turn it around on you to make you feel bad about it. I would never be positive that someone IS going to sexually assault based on that, but I sure as hell make it a point not to be alone with that individual either.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/15 06:13 PM
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Just because it's not admitted doesn't mean it's not a reason why. People generally won't concede their faults to people who are ready to attack them with the faults. No, they won't explicitly say there are worries about dick size but then there are comments where they ridicule some women for sleeping with a black men because she's so loose she needs a giant cock to feel anything. (why the resentment there?) No, they won't say they're worried about performance in bed but they have seethe as they…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/15 06:09 PM
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If it was motivated by insecurity would it really matter or change anything? I don't think it would (because people hate admitting things like that) but it should. If your personal issues are causing you to project things to the outside world and are negatively influencing your interactions, you're robbing only yourself. Not to mention just the general hate and resentment and anxiety that you carry around. It seems like it would be a lot more beneficial to just address the insecurity. Then you d…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/15 06:02 PM
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I don't think it's an attempt to shame, I think it's an attempt to understand the root cause of a really strong and irrational preoccupation. If insecurity really is the reason, why don't they care about her dickcount for one-night-stands Because you don't get emotionally invested in one-night stands. With a one night stand, you get sex and that's it. You could care less if it was good enough for the other person, because well, you won't see them again, and you're not really worried about how th…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/15 05:56 PM
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From what we have observed so far. Another environment might have finite resources and yet still favor cooperation, or have abundant resources and favor competition. I was just showing how the current favorable characteristics might suddenly become disadvantageous if the environment shifts to something different.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 07:20 PM
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So, then why worry about whether or not you can trust what they say? You either believe what they say or you don't. Because I'm open to being convinced otherwise. I may not trust what they say, but if they make a convincing argument, I could be sold on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 07:19 PM
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Abundant, not infinite.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 07:17 PM
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If people are only looking at the anger or making a rush to judgment, they may not be looking at the underlying reasons why a person or group might hold a certain view. They could be. All the more reason to justify allowing discourse on this. "I think you believe that because you're angry." "No, I believe that because xyz." "Oh, I see."
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 07:13 PM
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There is no such thing. The environment is the determinator of what is adaptable. Current common adaptive skills in the animal kingdom: high reproductive rates, competition, etc, might easily be the opposite in a different environment. In an environment where frequent reproduction would start to have a negative effect (disease or damage), the individuals of the species who reproduce more would suddenly be disadvantaged. In a species where resources are abundant, cooperation works better than com…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 07:12 PM
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See, you keep addressing NEGATIVE items. What about the opposite? The politician who speaks POSITIVELY about items? Will you not question it as well? Yes. I am focusing on negative unreasonable emotions because that is what is present on TRP. If TPR had unreasonable positive emotions then it would be that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 07:10 PM
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Then the logical thing to do is take what they are saying and examine it for yourself. Well the premise is that I already don't find their conclusions to be true. I'm not sure why I would disagree if I though the conclusion was true.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 07:09 PM
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Instincts that ensure survival in a given environment, obviously. And they vary based on the environment as well. The question is, the are the specific phenomena you are citing actual fact or opinion? I mean, the vast majority of this topic are not directly observable and verifiable. So if you are starting with the premise, "This is absolute truth," then it's really hard to have much of a conversation on this.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 07:03 PM
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've known many people who have a very keen ability to separate their personal feelings from their business decisions or their perceptions of objective reality. And if presented with this scenario I'd verify that the person has done this. But when people say "misogyny" they imply some sort of permanent, unchanging, and practically irredeemable state of mind. I don't think it's like that. Neither do I. I would simply tell them that they're mistaken in saying that "all" are that way, but I wouldn't…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 07:01 PM
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But we are our instincts first Of course. But what if you and I disagree what exactly our instincts are? I studied biopsychology with an emphasis on evolutionary psychology. Evolutionary drives are anything but an agreed upon phenomenon other than we all agree they happen. if an organism didn't have an inborn, heritable survival instinct which overrode all thought processes, that organism would be killed. Yes. But if you claim, "Inborns had adaptation A to survive," it does not automatically mak…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 06:54 PM
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I did not say they always will, I said that it is valid to question if they have.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 06:49 PM
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And I clarified, if Archwinger has a strong unreasonable feeling towards A, and makes a negative comment about A, then yes, he does hold a bigger burden of proof. isn't angry to make the exact same point, that other guy won't have to bother explaining away his anger and bias. He can just say the same thing and get right to it. Actually yes. Because, and this is the fact that you keep skipping over: strong negative emotions influence conclusions. They do. A person without strong feelings gets mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 06:47 PM
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Are you claiming that TRP is accurate because many share your experience? Even many more don't. Would that not be confirmation bias? However, the anger phase ends, and people continue to see that, yes, AWALT. The anger phase ends because of their acceptance of their perceived reality, as, well, reality.The question is, what if that acceptance was faulty to begin with and a result of their anger/resentment at that time?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 06:42 PM
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So you can see the argument that is trying to be made without being diverted by the language used. The language used reflects the presence of emotion that I don't want to ignore though, because it may affect the validity of the statement as a whole. I mean, I could do what you are saying, but I could also just agree blindly with the statement too, and you could just agree with all RP critics' statements. The point is, both side here are trying to filter through a lot of personal opinion and view…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 06:40 PM
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So because I hate women, I should tell someone else who doesn't hate women to say the exact same thing I was going to say What do you mean by this? I already mentioned several times what my stance actually is and you keep reiterating it as something else instead of addressing what I actually said. Why is it so hard to understand that you can be right and angry, wrong and angry, right and non-angry, or wrong and non-angry -- without being right/wrong because you are angry/non-angry? I already sai…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 06:35 PM
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But when someone sees some of the tone in TRP, really angry, really irrational, really negative, it does allow them to question the conclusions you just mentioned. It allows them to wonder whether those statements are actually true or the product of really unreasonably angry people. People might feel they are being logical but that doesn't mean they are being logical.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 06:33 PM
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None of those objections absolves a critic of having to contend with the logic behind the argument, But where strong unresonable emotion is present, logic may not be present. The arguer may think they are being logical, but are not. They have to demonstrate logic for the argument to be debunked logically. Arguing an argument from an emotional standpoint is not logical. You are trying to make the claim that emotion alone justifies calling an argument false That is not at all what I have claimed a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 06:32 PM
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I understand your lack of desire to not police tone. I also don't believe tone should be policed. All I am claiming is that if tone is present, it is valid for someone to call it out. The poster with the tone can then defend his argument or not. But what I am seeing right now is that it is claimed that no one should be calling it out, that calling it out has no use because tone has no bearing on validity. As you have said, tone very much has bearing on validity, and thus, a person can question i…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 06:30 PM
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This is a product of logic. This is a product of speculation, actually. It may have logical reasoning but it is not matter-of-fact. A lot of things, especially in human behavior that had sound reasoning were debunked later. Some phenomenon observed in human behavior is counter-intuitive. But this is neither here or there, and not really pertinent to this discussion. The fact is, strong unreasonable emotions affect perception of things. Statements one might make might make sense to them, but that…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 06:27 PM
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Actually it's more like, "One time, I met this girl who told me 2+2=3, therefore I conclude that all women are stupid, stupid cunts who can't do math." I would question the part of your statement that all women are stupid cunts who can't do math based on the fact that you clearly do not like women. If this was a real argument, that conclusion would be one made or at least influenced by your existing feelings on women and not logic. It would not be a good argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 06:23 PM
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What can I conclude then? At that point I would conclude the argument and premise are flawed and inaccurate. Or if they cannot demonstrate objectivity, I would conclude the statement is made out of irrational negative feelings and has no use to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 06:20 PM
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As an example for an on-topic point. Not to debate whether that statement is true or false, opinion or fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 06:19 PM
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Simple, just pretend that everything on TRP is written neutrally. No. That's absolving critical thinking, and serves no purpose. Why should I pretend it is written neutrally when it is not? What benefit does that serve in my own personal quest in understanding the world or men or women better? If someone makes an argument, they should be ready to defend it. If their argument is regarding something they feel strongly unreasonable negative emotions about, they should be ready to explain how the em…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 06:17 PM
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We say "women are x" and we say "men are y" because that's how they would be in a survival situation But what if how you think women and men would be in a suvival situation is influenced by how you currently feel about men and women? No statement on TRP has been universally agreed upon. There are people who read TRP ideas and agree with them,and those that question them. All I am saying is that one such way that TRP ideas can be questioned is based on the presence of strong, unreasonable and neg…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 06:15 PM
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But couldn't that just as easily be applied to the person who is perceiving the "arguer" as being emotional? Yes. But in this particular instance, TRP has admitted there does exist the aforementioned tone. In this particular context, emotions do exist. And going back to my original post, it's more than being emotional, it's having an opinion that is strongly tied to said emotions. Because emotions influence conclusions. I may feel sad today because my car broke down but that's not going to reall…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 06:08 PM
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This is is offtopic.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 06:01 PM
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That's essentially picking a fight with someone because you don't like the person instead of the viewpoint. ? No. I'm not even sure how you reached this conclusion. It's questioning a statement that has a high chance of bias. Just because someone makes a statement does not mean that others have to accept it as fact because that one person believes it is. I am saying, in addition to the many ways one could question a statement, questioning the presence of unreasonable negative emotion dealing wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 06:00 PM
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That is somewhat what I am trying to say although I would replace this part: you must defend yourself for being angry." With, "You must explain how your stance is not the result of your negative emotion." Also I know we have been using "angry" and "negative emotion" but I also do acknowledge the range and strength in emotions. Being mildly annoyed most likely won't influence one's opinions very strongly. Having a strong dislike of all women probably will. So your counterargument here might be th…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 05:55 PM
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So what you're saying is that you can be angry and correct, but other people might stupidly choose to ignore your correctness due to your tone? No. I am saying that those who critical think have a valid point in questioning an opinion or outlook based on the fact that there is a presence of strong emotions. If the person wants to defend their opinion, then they would go further to demonstrate how despite strong emotions, their conclusions are objective. What is actually happening right now is th…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 05:50 PM
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I get that. I think we could all agree some RP men are angry. My point here isn't "RP men are angry." My point is that when RP-ers say, "Women are ___," it is fair for someone to go, "But you're really angry and you don't like women, how do I know you're not biased?" Thus far RPs have dismissed such responses because "who cares about the tone," but I am saying that question is valid to propose to the RP-er. Because negative emotions lead to biases.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 05:47 PM
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Um. "Women are hypergamous" is not perception. It's fact. Based on your view. You wouldn't have written this post absent your personal distaste for the facts presented at TRP. That is your projection. I said FACTS PRESENTED. And this is your opinion. I'm not sure how any of this relates to the topic at hand. To try to get it back on track: all I am trying to say, is that when someone makes objective statements about a thing (let's say a bicycle), and if they simultaneously possess really strong …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 05:45 PM
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You can be wrong because you're not angry, too. Well yes, you could just be wrong. Positive emotions can introduce biases as well. Etc etc. That doesn't really change the fact that TRP has a tone that represents emotions and the potential for wrongness and subjectivity as a result. The fact that you can be wrong in other ways doesn't eliminate this as one way you could be wrong. "Your argument is incorrect because I don't like your tone" is like saying "Apples are disgusting because people I don…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 05:41 PM
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I felt compelled to inform you that you cannot be wrong because you're angry Disagree. As I evidenced in my original post, emotions have the capacity to influence perception, outlook and opinion. To the extent of influencing even a researcher's measurements. Anger can make you wrong. Fear can make you wrong. How? Because those emotions have the power to influence your conclusions. there is an instance where I could say "the sky is blue" while angry and be wrong. Well no. You are having a disconn…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 05:38 PM
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Tone represents strong emotion which interferes with logic. Conclusions therefore might not be logical. That is the whole premise of my post. To use your example, 2+2=4 is not wrong, but the issue is that emotion might cause you to believe that 2 is 1, because you feel that 2 is 1, and therefore the answer is 3, no matter what anyone else says. I am saying, as a result of the introduction of biases due to emotion, tone is an accurate criticism of TRP ideas and warrants a response. TRP ideas MIGH…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 05:31 PM
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Are there facts underlying the viewpoint? Frequently, no. Frequently it is an argument of perception. "This is how the world is." "Women are hypergamous." Fringe examples may be cited as evidence but that, all the more, calls into question perception. All of the ideas on TRP cannot be absolutely proven one way or another. It's a composition of worldviews and certain outlooks. But the merit of such ideas is mainly determined through objectivity and accurate observation of the environment. So some…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 05:28 PM
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I covered that. That is how TRP sees tone. What I am discussing is the instances in which TRP says TRP-critic's complaints about tone are not valid counterarguments. I am saying they are because the tone calls into question TRP's objectivity when trying to make objective statements about humanity, women, men, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 05:22 PM
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You can be angry AND right. But you can be wrong because you're angry. So someone refusing to buy an argument that has anger in it is not unreasonable. "I don't trust your argument because you are expressing polar emotions that interfere with objectivity while you are trying to make an objective statement." That is a valid criticism. Even if the idea itself may be right.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 05:20 PM
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It does if the argument is claiming realisticness or objectivity. Negative emotions influence perceptions which doesn't coincide with a realistic outlook or objectivity. Either TRP ideas are a personal opinions based on personal experience (which is not what most RP-ers would say), in which case you are right. Or, TRP ideas are correct outlooks on the world with accurate perception and freedom of bias, which does make emotion a valid complaint as valid interferes with perception and introduces b…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 05:19 PM
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An objection to the emotions behind an argument is not an objection to the logic behind it. Agree, but this is describing for example PPD users who don't like the delivery but like the ideas. I'm not talking about that, I am talking about people who point out tone as a point against the accuracy of TPR ideology, and why it is a valid criticism. In order to object to TRP with legitimacy, you will have to show specifically where their logic is unsound as a result of their anger. Likewise, should T…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 05:16 PM
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I agree, and there is a lot of bias and irrationality in political ideology as a result of strong feelings on certain subjects. I see a lot of emotion, hatred, and bias expressed against TRP, so does that make it invalid? It would depend on the pathway. TRP ideology is a product of negative emotions towards women. People on TRP came to TRP because of negative interactions/lack of success with women. As a result, the ideology is shaped by those emotions and experiences, not an active observance o…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 05:10 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroplasticity
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 04:29 PM
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Some RPers say they love women They love to fuck women and like the ego boost women provide. They do not like the nature or personality of women. It's not the same as when an average person says they love women. Additionally, while you yourself may only classify as gynophobic, it does not mean that is representative of the general population of TRP subreddit. Many individuals are purely misogynistic. I do think critics of TRP use those two terms interchangably which is not correct, but I don't t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 04:07 PM
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From my POV, bitterness is a natural, human reaction to a lack of ability to succeed in whatever thing you try to accomplish in life. It's a natural, human reaction, but it is not a reasonable one, a healthy one, or a productive one. To me, bitterness signifies inability to deal with life. Someone who had trouble in life yet couldn't or wouldn't get over it. And considering some of the things that people I know have been through in life and managed to get over it and become well-adjusted individ…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 03:53 PM
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What you're demanding for is the same as demanding proof that the ocean has salt in its water. It's pretty basic.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 03:45 PM
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As for AWALT, you misunderstand it. I understand it. I just think it's a bad argument nonethless. It's bad to say AWALT as it literally baits people into providing exceptions. And I think most of TRP's generalizations of women don't even fit most women but a certain niche of women so it's incorrect in its actual usage as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 05:44 AM
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then tell me why male athletes don't talk about male suicide rates. Because men aren't told they commit suicide less by any sizeable group of people. Actually it's a well known fact suicide rates are higher in men. You keep missing the point. The whole reason for behavior like that is that you are trying to prove someone wrong. If there's really no a vocal enough number of people telling you, you can't do something, then you're not going to feel the need to prove them wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 05:42 AM
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and this is why red pillers hate arguing here cause you guys pick odd exceptions and act as if it rules out the majority. Then RP should make a greater effort to not talk in absolutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 05:23 AM
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I don't go to the gym and see guys laughing at chicks for benching half of what they do. No, but as a bencher myself I can very well tell you there are men who don't believe a woman can squat 300lb. So if you were a woman who was told you couldn't do that, and then you did, it follows why you would want to throw it back in their face. People don't like being told they can't do things. It's not just women. If you told me I couldn't do something I'd probably try extra hard to do it and then rub it…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 05:22 AM
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Because she wasn't discussing the red pill anymore. She was. You outlined a viewpoint of human behavior or attraction. Your post is labeled as CMV. The person said your idea is flawed because when we look at human behavior and attraction we see exceptions to what you said. I mean, are you trying to say that you were only talking about hetereosexual attraction? Then you should specify that. TRP can be applied in homosexual interactions, and is more of an outlook of general human behavior that jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 05:15 AM
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Because she wasn't discussing the red pill anymore. She was. You outlined a viewpoint of human behavior or attraction. Your post is labeled as CMV. The person said your idea is flawed because when we look at human behavior and attraction we see exceptions to what you said. I mean, are you trying to say that you were only talking about hetereosexual attraction? Then you should specify that. TRP can be applied in homosexual interactions, and is more of an outlook of general human behavior that jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 05:15 AM
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MOST women do. Well most women, being women, would fall into the category of those considered as incapable of doing those feats by the people that believ women can't do those feats. No athlete talks about "MAAAALLEE POWERR" Because there's not a group of people that believe men are incapable of those feats - men are given the credit for being able to do those feats that all others are compared to. There are people who believe foreigners, or people with certain body types or disabilities or women…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 05:10 AM
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Yup you're only here because of the red pill regardless of how you hamster it away. I'm not trying to? I'm saying the purpose here is to do more than, "Yeah I agree," or "Yeah I disagree." This is the one place where TRP ideas can actually be challenged and their merit called into question, and the one place where those who align as RP have to actually defend their viewpoints. The user you were replying to did that. So I'm not sure how it's comparable to your chairs and animals example. You brou…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 05:05 AM
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However, in this case, it's true. It being a massive generalization doesn't make it baseless. Well, then, what evidence do you have of it? Why does every girl who's an athlete have to always mention something about girls? Probably because there exists a sizeable group of people who believe that women are incapable of such feats due to biological inferiority. If it wasn't for that, I doubt there would be many female athletes making those statements. But that kind of sentiment tends to set it up f…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 05:01 AM
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Your existence here is so you can discuss the red pill and hence its philosophies and why you like, agree, disagree, or hate them. Well actually we're here for a little more than that. It's to discuss not just whether or not we agree or disagree with TRP premises but whether they are correct or wrong, whether their premises are justifiable or not, or whether their arguments are sound or completely off-base, and alternative explanations to TRP. You presented a certain RP viewpoint. In accordance …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 04:47 AM
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no alpha man or any driven man likes that. Meek beta whiteknights do Eh, this reads pretty silly. Like those No Real Man/Woman... articles on shitty entertainment blogs. I mean Ronda is a bad example, undeserved boasting is generally considered an annoying characteristic of both genders. But I'm just saying, male preferences in female personalities varies pretty drastically. And while you may want to dismiss that as "no real alpha would," the reality is a successful confident man may want a swee…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 04:41 AM
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Would be why certain characteristics in one gender are attractive and in the other gender unattractive. Sure. The problem is when you start assigning gender-neutral characteristics to one gender or the other, or start denying the favorability of certain characteristics because you associate them with the other gender. This frequently happens with people who believe in discernable gender gaps. "Rational thinking" is a common one I see (incorrectly) attributed to the male gender. So based on your …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 03:59 AM
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Not as many. A person with positive experiences has no reason to actively observe and scan the environment for similar experience as their needs are satisfied and they are not in danger of being hurt. Biases are mostly associated with negative feelings as the brain enters a mode of self-preservation in an overdiligent way. Such compulsive scanning of the environments for proof to confirm that AWALT or whatever is a result of anxieties/fears of being hurt again, as well as resentments that are st…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 11:16 PM
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Just wanted to add that both arguments, even if they were accurate, are still incredibly stupid. Having emotions on a topic doesn't invalidate the point on its own, just as being a member of a privileged class doesn't preclude you from having an opinion considering most humans can consider the perspective of individuals in other situations. It's just a lazy way to avoid making a point, and allows you to continue to believe what you already believe even though someone just brought up a good contr…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 09:27 PM
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Just because some men are unsuccessful with women, does not make them blind to what's going on. Of course not but when negative feelings are involved it introduces the possibility of biases and confirmation effects.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 09:23 PM
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TRP membership needed to be forced to do these things. Yes, you have a point here but I see some inherent fault in the fact that one has to sugarcoat and ego stroke an individual to get him to self-improve, especially when it's done so by demonizing half a gender, promoting pseudoscience, and painting everyone who doesn't do this as lesser when in reality they are not, considering they did not have to have someone spoon feed them generic self-help advice. I cannot comprehend how one can consider…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 09:22 PM
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But doesn't excessive worry about tone policing lead to stifling free discourse and differing opinions? I mean, not everyone on TRP agrees on everything, but there really isn't a lot of lee-way for any outside or contrarian opinion on TRP. It is immediately labeled as tone policing, and the user banned. That kind of gives way for dogmaticism, and I can't see how it would be beneficial to the users of TRP. Ideas should be challenged, that's how an outlook evolves or strives to become more accurat…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 09:15 PM
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I have seen the term "tone policing" used in reference to people criticizing TRP or calling out flaws in certain arguments or logic in a particular RP comment. I mean, I guess yeah, you could say that is trying to "silence" the individual because it's challenging his statement and attempting to point out that it was stupid or whatever, which then may make others hesitant to make the same statement again. But I also feel like no one should feel obligated to shelter or baby step around everyone's …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 09:11 PM
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That's just one example. It goes further than that. I will say TRP is an accurate representation of a certain niche of the dating pool. There are women that fit the TRP stereotype. But as a general depiction of all women or all male-female interactions, it's very off-base. If it works for you, then more power to you. But I feel like a lot of TRP users would be better served learning how to break out of that niche that they are stuck in and obviously not happy to be in, than trying to adapt to it…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/15 09:17 PM
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TRP may appear to work, but it works inadvertantly and not by the logic present in TRP thinking. For example, TRP may provide certain reasoning and justification for approaching women, but the success isn't because TRP is correct, it's because the individual went from never talking to women to suddenly asking them out. By a pure numbers game, if you ask out more women than 0, eventually you will have more success than before. It's the same as people who claim that cutting out gluten made them he…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/15 09:07 PM
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TRP critics don't seem to bother reading the sidebar materiel. I would venture to say that anyone who has issues with TRP already should probably avoid the sidebar material as it'll just fan the flames. but rather it's the unfortunate side effect of unplugging and seeing the SMP for what it really is no matter how brutally harsh that reality is. This reads like a enlightened teenager boasting how aware he is compared to the 'sheep'. If TRP's portrayal of human interaction was reality, then the v…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/15 08:53 PM
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No. I mean, that is part of it. The tone does not help. I would not say I hate TRP, but what bothers me about it is that it appears to be a case of the blind leading the blind. It is a group of people who have gotten together and arbitrarily declared themselves experts in romance, women, love, sex, evolutionary psychology, etc, when they are actually below average in terms of interpersonal skills. The end result is a community which serves to stroke the egos of the participants but that results …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/15 08:43 PM
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