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The really sad thing about all of this is that girls are currently outperforming boys at the elementary school level. Boys are falling behind at a significant rate, and many consider it a crisis. In the middle of what could easily be considered a crisis, someone decides they're going to "even things up" by further limiting the group that is currently in crisis. What the hell is that shit? Furthermore, speaking as someone who has been buying gifts for three nieces for 15 years, I can confirm with…
/r/MensRights25/07/16 09:59 AM
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I know, right? I have no idea how they are going to pull that off.
/r/MensRights18/07/16 01:55 AM
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Again, box office estimates are almost always fairly well nailed down nowadays. The most you ever see a variance of anymore is like $1 or $2 million. If they say it's going to make $46 million, then the least it would make is like $43-44 million, still beating the expectations that Sony set for it ($40 million).
/r/MensRights17/07/16 10:59 PM
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If you think my example suggests I know nothing about box office numbers, you are in fact the one who knows nothing about box office numbers.
/r/MensRights17/07/16 10:57 PM
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Nowadays, estimates are almost always pretty dead on. They usually nail it to within a $100,000-$250,000 variance.
/r/MensRights17/07/16 10:57 PM
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Oy. Listen, I don't want to pull my "film buff" or "film school" card here, but I feel like it warrants being pulled. You're just flat out wrong. During the first few weeks of release, most theaters sign contracts with the studios that allow the studios to make 90-100% of the ticket profits during the first few weeks of release. For a movie like Ghostbusters, you can almost be guaranteed that nearly all of the profits from ticket sales are actually going to Sony. "The theater takes its share" – …
/r/MensRights17/07/16 10:55 PM
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Actually, the title is being altered (and the film is probably also being altered) so that it can be released in China.
/r/MensRights17/07/16 10:32 PM
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It's slated to bring in between $45-$50 million this weekend, putting it solidly ahead of expectations for domestic box office by $5-$10 mil. Nowadays, major Hollywood blockbusters make most of their money overseas (typically at least 2/3rds of it). If $45 million is the domestic opening weekend, it wouldn't be too surprising to see $80-$100 mil foreign. Combined, that would almost pay off the production budget in the opening weekend alone. This doesn't even factor in the money they make off of …
/r/MensRights17/07/16 06:38 AM
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You know, it would be nice if the discussion didn't devolve into whether or not she lied about her weight. These details are ultimately superficial, and it doesn't really help anything to say "I can tell just by looking at someone how much they weigh." Imagine someone who is on the fence about Men's Rights and decides to visit this subreddit to get a sense for what the movement is really about. One of the first things they see – with several upvotes, no less – is someone debating the fine points…
/r/MensRights22/01/16 01:24 PM
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I love that people have been making this exact same joke all week, never once stopping to question whether or not that is a rape joke. ...aren't rape jokes supposed to be "not funny"? What makes it funny when it's a guy getting raped in prison? and at what point did the problem of prison rape become acceptable?
/r/MensRights23/08/15 03:22 AM
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From the standpoint of someone trying to continue a career in politics, it actually makes a lot of sense to keep spouting this lie. If the people already believe that it's true, why not make a bunch of spurious claims that you're going to put an end to it? You could literally get in office, do absolutely nothing, and then have someone claim that "since entering office, the gap has closed by such and such percent," and it would be an impossible to prove or disprove claim which would most likely b…
/r/MensRights20/08/15 01:48 AM
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Honestly, the problem here is affirmative action. It was a bad idea to begin with, because it doesn't encourage a merit based system whereby the brightest students excel and the dullest students do not. If the color of your skin or your gender aren't supposed to limit your potential, they also should not play a defining role in encouraging your potential. That's equality. I understand that some people have had a more difficult time achieving their goals than others, and that sometimes this can b…
/r/MensRights17/08/15 08:36 AM
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I have to feel like being obese has made it very difficult to find work, because I have applied for thousands of jobs in the past few years and been to more than a few interviews, and although I make it to the final stages of interviews sometimes, for whatever reason it seems like they always find a reason not to hire me, even if they've been interested and had a job opening at the time. This has left me with no other option but to pursue freelance/contract work from home – conveniently where no…
/r/MensRights12/07/15 10:11 AM
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You know, there's a side that always gets ignored in all of this, and it's a pretty important aspect of the issue. Both my father and my mother were in the military. My father served three tours in Vietnam. He was one of the guys taking these pictures. He came back with some pretty severe PTSD, which...speaking from experience...made it nearly impossible for him to show any kind of emotion at all. He was a great guy, and he always tried to do well by us and give us everything he could, but he wa…
/r/MensRights10/07/15 10:12 PM
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What does it say about how males are brought up in our society when the subtle nuances of "what it means to be a man" are undoubtedly poisoning us all, and yet they are also used against us in argument as proof that we are all clearly okay with this unhealthy concept of manhood and bragging rights, and thus men cannot be raped because they supposedly always "want it"? Just think about how screwed up that is. Think about it for just a second. The very idea that manhood is all about losing your vi…
/r/MensRights10/07/15 08:38 AM
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Well, they do tend to be more violent. Men are more likely to be the victims of male crime in particular. Of those men who experience violence from other men, chances are that they won't even know the man who is being violent toward them, meaning that these men are often total strangers. Of course, I have yet to see any feminist suggest that we need to start opening up clinics for male victims of abuse from other men, or coming up with any ideas to try and stop this from happening, or even plann…
/r/MensRights10/07/15 08:23 AM
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I'm totally with you, but I also feel like the experiences of some members may prompt them to be less accepting and quicker to jump the shark. In reality, there are a lot of parallels to each community, particularly in that both have highly devoted and somewhat damaged people who are quick to anger, judgment, and irrational hatred. I don't think it's quite on the same level (still never seen anyone say "kill all women," for instance), but sometimes it can be a bit bothersome. What I do like and …
/r/MensRights15/04/15 02:38 AM
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Honestly, the one that really kind of scared me and made me feel the most uncomfortable is when she opened the door, saw a man, and shot him in the face. Really? That's supposed to be funny? Perpetuating violence against men is hilarious now?
/r/MensRights09/04/15 09:51 PM
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I'm sure a feminist would look at this as proof that the legal system does not care about rape, and that they would repeat the rhetoric about women having the freedom to decide after the fact whether or not they wanted to do what they had already consented to. Of course, I'm glad I didn't see that in the comments, but it's exactly the kind of response I was expecting, and that has to say something. The attitude that it is okay to ruin someone's life because a woman changed her mind about having …
/r/MensRights03/04/15 02:39 AM
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I couldn't have said it better myself. The article starts out so nicely, talking about some of the issues that men face when trying to determine how they fit into concepts of masculinity, but then it became all about feminism. The moment I knew I was in trouble was after the following statement: "Being a hegemonic male means being powerful, dominant, stoic, successful, like the actors Arnold Schwarzenegger or Jason Statham. It is about not being weird or different. Men strive to attain this idea…
/r/MensRights13/03/15 04:37 AM
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I just feel like the entire post is a mixture of anecdotal and straw-man, in that it is based on "some feminists in my experience have made these poor arguments based on logical fallacies", and I know you've admitted that to an extent but then why write the post? My anecdotal experiences are worth no less or no more than yours, which surely just cancels out the entire concept of listing anecdotal-based things, whether they are positive or negative. False. As I have already stated, understanding …
/r/MensRights14/02/15 11:14 PM
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The point of these fallacies is that they are common. Pointing out that they are commonly used fallacies in several groups does not detract from the fact that feminists often use these fallacious arguments. I made this list to help myself see these poorly made arguments more clearly, so that it would be easier not only to choose what I should and shouldn't respond to, but also so that I wouldn't become needlessly enraged by countless poor arguments. In short, the purpose of this list is not to p…
/r/MensRights13/02/15 12:14 AM
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Thank you. I had a feeling I wasn't being as clear or accurate as I could have been. I was trying to think of examples I had experienced and figure out which kind of specific fallacies they were, if they were any kind of specific fallacy at all. It's entirely possible that some of them were misappropriated, so thanks for the help in defining and explaining some of that.
/r/MensRights09/02/15 06:50 AM
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God, you guys! This isn't even that big of a problem! Why do you keep focusing so much on false rape claims and bringing attention to them? I don't believe they happen frequently, so it really harshes my vibe when you mansplain about false claims of rape like this. Until you have statistics which support the claim that false rape claims happen frequently, you should just be silent about them and accept all claims as true on the basis that they may in fact be true. I don't understand what the pro…
/r/MensRights09/02/15 04:36 AM
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The opening statement alone had me shaking my head. The internet has made everybody audible. And, as a result, anybody can become a victim of a pitchfork-wielding mob, if you happen to say something online that the mob wants silenced. Nowhere has this reality been clearer than in the backlash against nascent feminism on Twitter. Really? It's men who are trying to silence women and not the other way around? Could have fooled me. Every time I try to speak up about the hypocrisies of feminism, I am…
/r/MensRights06/02/15 10:16 PM
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I never said anything like that, nor do I think that. All I'm saying is, that you should be able to discuss about one group's injustices without having to talk about another at the same time, because they're not always the same, they don't always have the same context, men and women are different and are viewed different in society so it's not always same kind of issue even when the premise is. Well, I'm glad that you don't think men and women are always the same. They definitely are not, and th…
/r/MensRights03/02/15 11:56 PM
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You really read in to it :D Yes, it's called close reading. It's a well known and accepted form of study in most academic circles. Yes, circlejerks form all the time, especially in the internet and places with clear agenda. But, always assuming people don't posess critical thinking, is kinda condecending. It may be condescending, but it's also usually accurate. Not everyone got an education which encouraged critical thinking, and not everyone thinks about these things critically. Ignoring those …
/r/MensRights03/02/15 11:25 PM
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It's easy to say that necessary comparisons are considered, or to even suggest that it should just be assumed that necessary comparisons are considered. That doesn't mean that it always is, and as a result, reminding people of comparisons that could be made can be very helpful. As I said, it's easy for these kinds of echo chambers to form, and they often form when people begin to assume that they've already taken everything into consideration when they haven't. Heck, this post started by pointin…
/r/MensRights01/02/15 11:13 PM
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Yeah it does. It's called comparison. Comparison is often used in critical thinking in order to understand an issue better. Comparing and contrasting two issues, especially in gender studies, is incredibly useful and important. Without the comparison/contrast, it's far too easy for an echo chamber to be created in which only that one "exact part of an issue" gets discussed. Nothing changes in this kind of environment. Equality is impossible in this kind of environment.
/r/MensRights01/02/15 11:47 AM
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Yeah, and that is really sad. It pissed me off to see the bail was lowered to $40k, but I was also happy to see someone tell it like it is for once. Also, the article was written in this style as well, referring to the student as a victim and making it well known that he had been the victim of sexual abuse. At least there was no attempt to make it sound like this was no big deal.
/r/MensRights29/01/15 04:22 AM
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This really sucks, but his decision to turn himself in reminded me of this quote from Martin Luther King Jr: "I submit that an individual who breaks the law that conscience tells him is unjust and willingly accepts the penalty by staying in jail to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the very highest respect for law."
/r/MensRights23/01/15 09:58 PM
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Honestly, the disturbing part was when they all caressed her even though she didn't say they could. That's a little creepy, and it's just as bad as hitting someone in that it invades their personal space. Someone says you can touch someone else, so who cares if the person being touched said it was okay? Is that it? Is that what I'm supposed to get from this? Oh, and the part at the end about kissing her? Yeah, I would be amazed if even feminists thought that this video displayed legitimate examp…
/r/MensRights07/01/15 06:06 AM
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Unless you can prove that "toxic masculinity" means something negative now, you're still incorrect. :)
/r/MensRights27/10/14 11:58 PM
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I responded DIRECTLY to that. Stop trolling.
/r/MensRights27/10/14 11:57 PM
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And another pointlessly long essay. And another refusal to actually read what I have said, instead electing to ignorantly complain about the length of a post. You say that you are engaging me, and then you prove that you haven't even attempted to read what I have written. You are contradicting yourself left and right. This is just becoming a pointless circle jerk. Have fun being willfully ignorant! :)
/r/MensRights27/10/14 11:47 PM
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It doesn't matter what the words are its what they mean when they use them Sir, by that logic, if I can get enough people to refer to sweet little girls as "Cockbags," the meaning of the term "Cockbags" will cease to be offensive and instead be an endearing term used to describe little girls. The words most definitely matter. Their meaning most definitely matters. The meaning the words had when they were created most definitely matter. I'm not trying to "take back" a term like "Porch monkey" her…
/r/MensRights27/10/14 11:42 PM
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And you are not engaging me. If you had engaged me, you would have read my post. Instead, you insist "Toxic Masculinity" is a feminist term, even though I established that it is not. I have further established it by providing evidence for my claim. I am engaging you, you ignored all of my examples and then wrote an essay. I didn't ignore your examples, I just didn't find them adequate or interesting enough to even comment on. Instead of discussing your examples, I elected to just explain why you…
/r/MensRights27/10/14 11:32 PM
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Whoops. "Toxic Masculinity" came from Men's Activists, not Feminism
/r/MensRights27/10/14 11:16 PM
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So instead of actually engaging me in conversation, you've decided that you are right. Well then, I guess I can't take your critique of these tweets very seriously. I just systematically showed you how a close reading works and explained that toxic masculinity is an MRM term, yet you continue to suggest that it is not and refuse to do a proper close reading of these tweets. If you're not willing to do the bare minimum necessary for legitimate criticism, why should I care about your criticisms? T…
/r/MensRights27/10/14 10:40 PM
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I'm sorry, but that last bit of yours made me chuckle, give me a moment. I have a Chrome app that turns every mention of "God" into "Nicolas Cage," so needless to say, there was some pretty funny shit right there. Alright, now then...it seems you still don't understand close reading. In the practice of close reading, one is asked to look at a small excerpt of a whole body of work (say a sentence or two out of a novel) and try to determine any added/extra/ulterior motive or meaning behind said pa…
/r/MensRights27/10/14 10:21 PM
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I'm sorry you can't understand the basics of criticism, but I've explained them more than adequately. I'm not sure what more I could do to drive home the point I'm trying to make here, but I'll give it one last shot. Authorial Intent is not important. This is a fact that has been established by critics for decades. It is recognized as a fallacy by Encyclopedia Britannica. Just because an author wrote/produced work that denigrated a certain type of person does not mean that every work they produc…
/r/MensRights27/10/14 12:08 PM
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In a postmodern world where everything can be art, even the humble tweet carries meaning and is worthy of closer inspection. There's no need to call my defense pedantic, it's all based on legitimate criticism. Not to sound like a troll, but it's okay to be wrong about something.
/r/MensRights27/10/14 04:00 AM
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No, you need to actually read what I said. No two bodies of work are the same. Just because they come from the same author does not mean that we can assume they mean the same thing. You have to find actual evidence from these few texts here that supports your claim. You can't look at her body of work for evidence in the text. It's called close reading.
/r/MensRights26/10/14 09:13 PM
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That's not how it works. You need to find evidence in the text for what you're claiming, and you can't claim to know what the authorial intent was. Authorial intent is pretty much a fallacy, and many critics feel that it cannot be used to determine the meaning of any one text, because proper criticism can find evidence for other examples of meaning in a text that don't fit the author's proposed intention. If you can find evidence for it, it's a legitimate reading of the text. Just because she ha…
/r/MensRights26/10/14 05:45 AM
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As somebody who majored in English, I disagree entirely. We give meaning to language. Without us, there would be no meaning to it. I feel the same way about art, in that it is something that does not take on meaning until we give it that meaning. In order to create that meaning and determine what the message could possibly be, we have to find contextual evidence for our argument. I just pointed out how contextual evidence proves that everything she said here can be taken with a grain of salt and…
/r/MensRights25/10/14 09:22 PM
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Okay, seriously? What is everyone freaking out about here? Just because Anita Sarkeesian said something doesn't mean she's automatically wrong. Her methods of criticism are horrible, but that doesn't mean she's always wrong about everything she says. In this particular case, she's actually making a fairly accurate statement. I might take issue with the connections she makes between events like this and sexism, but as for violence and toxic ideas of manhood, Anita is on point here. Supporters of …
/r/MensRights25/10/14 08:42 AM
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Fair enough. That is accurate.
/r/MensRights25/10/14 12:33 AM
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Left-leaning Centrist here, I read the entire article and took issue with the "God is the answer" conclusion. I also took issue with the "men should be masculine and women should be feminine" argument. His assertions about the 1 in 5 stat and pay gap are absolutely true, although he doesn't make any attempt to prove it, despite denigrating feminists for also lacking proof. Instead of assuming that people won't read an article based on their political beliefs, perhaps you should just admit that t…
/r/MensRights25/10/14 12:32 AM
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What sucks about this article is that it points out a lot of obvious truths – that the 1 in 5 statistic is false, that the pay gap is a myth, ect. – but then it talks about being closer to God and how men should be masculine and women feminine and all that junk. There is a place in this world for masculine women, feminine men, and every different gender identity inbetween. All people of all ages, races and gender identities should enjoy the same freedoms and all should be equal to one another. I…
/r/MensRights25/10/14 12:21 AM
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I'm not saying that those books are, at base, any different than the movies you refer to. In fact, if anything, what I'm trying to call attention to is the portrayal of rape in the media as a crime that only happens to women. If we see something in the media over and over again, it is likely to become ingrained into our subconscious and accepted as legitimate. It doesn't mean that men everywhere are going to be more likely to rape women, but it does mean that people everywhere are going to be li…
/r/MensRights12/10/14 08:55 AM
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poor punctuation? run on sentences? I don't see any of those in what I wrote, but since everyone hated this post so much, I just deleted it. It's always nice when you visit a place where you're supposed to feel like you're welcome to discuss issues such as these and instead encounter a bunch of ad hominems and people who refuse to take you seriously. I would have expected this on /r/feminism, but not here. I suddenly feel so much less welcome here. Thanks for attacking me. Writing is how I make …
/r/MensRights12/10/14 03:20 AM
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I have Generalized Anxiety Disorder, which makes it hard for me to do normal things that other people do – you know, like finding even the most menial of work. I've still managed to earn a degree, but nobody seems to care about my intelligence. Regardless, it's created a situation where I don't have a decent job, so I can't afford health insurance or health care, so I can't do anything about my anxiety disorder which is making it difficult to find a decent job. It's a vicious cycle wherein I hav…
/r/MensRights11/10/14 12:41 AM
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I might just use this as such: "Claiming that 1 in 4 women are raped is like claiming that a majority of women make false rape charges. Both claims are based on a statistical anomaly that hasn't been proven accurate across the board."
/r/MensRights05/10/14 06:21 AM
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I honestly feel that your comparison isn't adequate. I mean no offense by saying that, but it feels like you just compared apples to oranges. Comparing academic study to scientific study is a little spurious. Yes, much of the academic fields of gender study are focused on feminism, but that doesn't necessarily mean that feminism is the only focus in gender studies or that it is as highly respected and held to the same standards as the scientific study of quantum mechanics. In fact, I would argue…
/r/MensRights28/09/14 10:24 PM
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Who asks that? "Can you give me a cliff notes version?" Seriously? I think I'm going to do what many feminists do in this situation and INVITE YOU TO EDUCATE YOURSELF. :)
/r/MensRights27/09/14 01:56 AM
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I'm sorry, but can we please start calling this out for what it is? Claiming that a "vocal minority" does not represent the whole is essentially DERAILING. Instead of taking responsibility for the group and accepting that this is a clear, vocal, and well publicized side of modern feminism, all I hear from people who don't agree with said modern feminism is that "real feminism isn't about this." Great...well, it has BECOME about that. It's time for you to either accept that much or create the has…
/r/MensRights27/09/14 01:51 AM
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I almost feel special because I was given a reason. It was complete and total BS, but at least they wrote me a message. They said I was "derailing" because I dared to bring up the subject of how men were affected by false rape reports. I love that concept, that you can ignore any and all criticism simply by claiming somebody is "derailing" the conversation. I prefer to think of it as adding another layer to the conversation, but they just deleted my posts and banned me, essentially silencing me …
/r/MensRights27/09/14 01:40 AM
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It reminds me of when I first started questioning all of this stuff, because I had more than one person telling me "Oh, you're not a feminist, you're an Egalitarian." How about I'm just a guy who likes to use logic in order to determine his stance on social issues? Is there a special little group for that?
/r/MensRights27/09/14 01:27 AM
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The problem I have with this is that it's another example of how some women say they want equality, and then when they get it, they complain that it isn't what they expected. Guess what? In a world where genders are equal, it's not necessarily going to be the man who has to court the woman – sometimes the woman will court the man as well. Emasculating men and making them out to be less than human or undesirable because you have to make the first move is WRONG. That is SEXISM. Well, you know, in …
/r/MensRights11/09/14 03:19 AM
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Wow. The thing is, it's just poorly written. It wouldn't have looked like they were saying sexism was a one way street if they had started their description of sexism in a slightly different manner. Whoever wrote this needs to take a few more English classes. Honestly, with a re-write and a poster that showed the male equivalent to this type of stereotyping, it wouldn't be half bad. Oh, who am I kidding? The second the "patriarchy" enters the picture, it's all over.
/r/MensRights10/09/14 12:37 AM
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We all have to speak up and let people see what is really going on here. Even when confronted with their own hypocrisy, some can easily write your words off as those of an insane person. However, when it comes to a public space on the internet such as this one, they aren't necessarily the only ones confronted with their hypocrisy. If even one person who used to think poorly of MRAs sees that conversation and realizes that there is a flaw in their argument, perhaps there's a chance that it could …
/r/MensRights07/08/14 07:09 AM
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Well, there you have it, ladies and gentlemen. Another idea for why people hate the MRM has just been unknowingly proposed by /u/corinroyal. Perhaps the reason they hate us is because they are reactionary and illogical people who are unwilling to substantiate their claims and who also hold opinions that they are unwilling to make any attempt to prove solid in any way shape or form. There may be a good chance that they have a bias that they will not answer for or admit to which is informing their…
/r/MensRights10/06/14 06:42 AM
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Yet again you hurl ad hominems and unsubstantiated claims with no intention of substantiating them. I'm sorry, but I can't take someone seriously if they aren't at least willing to try arguing their point with logic. You can keep insinuating that you know exactly what this movement is all about and keep claiming who our "thought leaders" are, that we are "reactionary," that we have "no academic legitimacy," and so on, but nobody is going to take you seriously if you can't back any of that up -- …
/r/MensRights10/06/14 06:07 AM
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Umm. Burden of Proof still lies on you, sir. That argument you just made to shift the focus onto my claim? That's called the tu quoque fallacy. You're trying to take the heat off of you and shift it onto me, but before I hold any responsibility to back up my claims, you must first answer to my request for you to back up yours. That's how logical argumentation is done. Nice try, though. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque
/r/MensRights10/06/14 01:58 AM
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Double Standard? What the hell are you talking about? Every MRA I know, when asked to back up claims, finds information to back up their claims. What you've done here is to make yet another spurious claim, this time that all "MRAs can shitpost about straw-feminism...without being asked to back up a single thing." Please substantiate that claim in addition to the previous claims. Thanks. Answering criticism with criticism does not absolve you of your burden of proof, my good sir. Please be logica…
/r/MensRights10/06/14 12:37 AM
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Well, when you make a claim, the burden of proof is on you to substantiate said claim. Maybe don't go around making claims unless you're willing to back them up?
/r/MensRights10/06/14 12:11 AM
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In other words, you're unwilling to come up with any examples. Awesome. You know, I have yet to speak to anyone who hates the MRM who can actually come up with concrete examples of how horrible we are and it's really getting old. "I hate the MRM" "Why?" "Because they say misogynist shit and they're evil!" "Do you have proof?" "I don't need proof!" "Riiiiight...."
/r/MensRights09/06/14 11:34 PM
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What exactly are we writing that you find so objectionable. Simply stating that "we hate you because we understand you" and "then I read what y'all wrote" isn't evidence of anything objectionable that any MRA has ever said. You haven't disproven anything I've stated.
/r/MensRights09/06/14 11:06 PM
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Because they don't understand it, and many people don't want to. The automatic assumption is that Men's Rights is the enemy of feminism, and feminists perpetuate this image quite well. Feminists have had decades to work on their image and convince the world that they are a legitimate movement fighting for equal rights. Men's Rights has been around for quite a while as well, but they were never really a worldwide phenomenon that got picked up everywhere as easily as feminism did. In fact, most pe…
/r/MensRights09/06/14 10:28 AM
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"She’s got her whole life ahead of her, and hopefully, this is just a blip on the radar for her." That sentence in particular was infuriating. It's one of those cases where when you change the gender roles around, they wouldn't even deign to say that. Also, does anyone else notice that when things like this happen, the picture shown of the woman being charged is usually one of her smiling, whereas in the case of a man being charged, they typically use a prison photo where he most definitely is N…
/r/MensRights09/06/14 09:59 AM
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Way to make a competition out of something that isn't a competition. I've been following this lately and it's just shameful. In particular, I find it shameful that a feminist would threaten violence against anyone (although I don't find it surprising), but it's also kind of ridiculous that we would equate this to all of them starting a fight together. I mean, just from an argumentative standpoint, that is weak ground to be standing on, because we have no proof that every feminist in the world ag…
/r/MensRights09/06/14 09:48 AM
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pretty sure that's just hypocrisy, and it is actually a fallacy to claim that this makes their argument invalid. It's called the hypocrisy fallacy. I don't know everything about fallacies, to be honest, just a bit. They hare useful for showing someone that they are being illogical. That being said, the situation you described of feminists being forcefed the concept that they are victims and that men's issues should be trivialized could be considered Confirmation Bias, or at least the tactics the…
/r/MensRights05/06/14 07:16 AM
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Alright, alright. I see what you mean. My bad. All apologies.
/r/MensRights05/06/14 03:23 AM
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To be fair, I have had a feminist friend tell me that "the only reason male rape numbers are significant is because they make up a large number of the people in prison," thus throwing out the very concept that any male outside of prison could possibly be raped and discrediting numbers of male rape victims. I have personally spoken with feminists who are, as he put it, "just fine with male rapes in prison" and I have seen purported feminists who have said that young men being raped by older women…
/r/MensRights04/06/14 11:57 PM
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Yes, he did do that. He used Nazis as a negative term to make a false analogy in an attempt to discredit what I was saying based on the premise that Nazis = bad and therefore my argument = bad. That's a fallacy in logical reasoning. You can paint it however you want to, but it is a fallacy. You don't get to toss out someone's argument by comparing it to Nazis/Hitler, particularly when it is a pretty big stretch to make said comparison.
/r/MensRights04/06/14 11:53 PM
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I more often use the term "society" or "societal caste system" or something to that effect. Regardless, people understand it as "patriarchy" quite frequently, so in the interest of extending an olive branch for discussion, I use that term interchangeably. I understand if it bothers you and I understand and accept your argument, but I don't know that I agree with it. I'm sorry if that bothers you.
/r/MensRights04/06/14 11:46 PM
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Honestly, I feel like you are off-point on this issue. It cannot simply be boiled down to what the most basic of statistics reveal, because the statistics do not go deep enough. Just as physical abuse statistics often imply that women are more likely to be assaulted by men than men by women, there is a case where certain factors aren't being considered and reported in those statistics. Men, due to their gender role as defined by the same societal caste system that defines the role of women, are …
/r/MensRights04/06/14 11:41 PM
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This brings up a valid point, though. At least on /r/MensRights you have less of a chance of getting banned for having dissenting views. You have a bit of an advantage by simply getting downvoted, although it does suck that so many people here seem to want to silence you.
/r/MensRights04/06/14 11:25 PM
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Do you have any evidence that /r/feminism is run by an MRA? I, for one, am sorry that so many people on this sub are intolerant, but you must understand that many of them have had extremely negative experiences with radical feminists and thus react with either anger or distrust toward them. It's nothing personal, it's probably just more of a knee jerk reaction.
/r/MensRights04/06/14 11:18 PM
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I don't reject the concept of a societal caste system which defines our genders. Whether you want to define it as a "patriarchy" or a "matriarchy" or anything else, it is clear that we are defined by our gender roles and that those definitions are causing problems in modern, enlightened times. I did not speak in hypotheticals, as these are issues that really exist -- on both sides of the fence. It simply takes an open mind to see that, as Martin Luther King Jr. said, "their destiny is tied up wi…
/r/MensRights04/06/14 11:12 PM
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"Another instance of reductio ad Hitlerum is asking a question of the form "You know who else...?" with the deliberate intent of impugning a certain idea or action by implying Hitler held that idea or performed such action." Pretty much, comparing anything to Nazis is a no-no.
/r/MensRights04/06/14 11:00 PM
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Please avoid using the Reductio ad Hitlerum fallacy
/r/MensRights04/06/14 10:09 PM
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I respectfully disagree.
/r/MensRights04/06/14 10:07 PM
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Oh yes, a "nice place." I hear the fiery depths of a hell that doesn't exist is simply fantastic this time of year. Might you recommend a good B&B?
/r/MensRights04/06/14 10:04 PM
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The problem with stating this, even if it is true that many radical feminists refuse to discuss things using logically sound arguments (at least in my experience), is that these same feminists then use that word against you. They claim that you think they are "illogical" just because they are women, and that "by nature" women are illogical. That isn't what you said, but that is what they hear. You could explain to them that you're just talking about their inability to come up with a constructive…
/r/MensRights04/06/14 10:02 PM
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The problem is that they don't see that, as a significant portion of the people being effected by the patriarchy (however "good" they think we have it), we need to be a part of dismantling it. If we are not included in the discussion, if we are not a part of the dismantling of patriarchy and oppression, the oppression will never really end. Instead of taking a proactive approach, they take a passive aggressive approach and tell us to "inform ourselves" while refusing to acknowledge the part we p…
/r/MensRights04/06/14 09:59 PM
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To be specific, this video explains the feminist problem with men quite well
/r/MensRights04/06/14 09:50 PM
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The fallacy fallacy. Just because their arguments often consist of fallacies does not necessarily make them wrong. That being said, I have yet to run into one of these radical feminists who is actually willing to present evidence for their claims. Without evidence from both sides, a legitimate discussion cannot be had.
/r/MensRights04/06/14 09:47 PM
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But I've got mansplaining to do.
/r/MensRights04/06/14 09:33 PM
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I think a distinction needs to be made between traditional feminism and radical feminism. I know plenty of people who ally themselves with the concepts that traditional feminism put forth, and I honestly have no problem with that. It's radical feminists who actively participate in squashing the voices of men and refusing to allow them to be a part of the discussion.
/r/MensRights04/06/14 09:32 PM
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How is that offensive. Surely, you must realize that not all feminists are bad. Just as not all people who claim to be MRA's are really in it for the good of both parties, the same can obviously be said of feminists as well.
/r/MensRights04/06/14 09:30 PM
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Join the club.
/r/MensRights04/06/14 09:25 PM
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That...is amazing. That is exactly what I have been looking for. The poster explained everything I am thinking and feeling right now so eloquently that...well, no wonder it was so well received. Gracias. Also, sign me up for whatever utopian civil rights group you are able to come up with, OP.
/r/MensRights04/06/14 11:37 AM
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Hell, my own friends have gotten tired of me talking about Men's Rights issues and they consistently refuse to listen to what I have to say and/or make wild accusations about the reasons that I am making the statements that I make. They, too, have internalized the message that MRA = evil disgusting pig, so the second I start talking about the mistreatment of men and where men fit into the discussion of gender issues, they will remove themselves from the discussion and refuse to discuss those mat…
/r/MensRights04/06/14 06:20 AM
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The annoying thing about being a supporter of Men's Rights is that so many of the people who attach themselves to this movement are exactly as defined in the cracked article. I had to defend a feminist from a bunch of misogynistic a-holes over the past few days on Youtube, and this isn't the first time that I've had to deal with them. These people are more flamboyant and they stand out a lot easier than the guy who is calmly, logically speaking about gender issues from a male point of view. Unfo…
/r/MensRights04/06/14 06:15 AM
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The main problem with her argument is that she defines sex as a biological difference that we are all born with and cannot be helped. Eventually, by the end of the video, after making the case that gender identities are problematic and that the gender of "men" needs to be abolished, she includes the male "sex" in her description of that which needs to be abolished. I'm not sure whether or not that was intentional, but it still exists. Yes, she did literally say that we should abolish all men. Sh…
/r/MensRights02/06/14 10:50 AM
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Thank you very much for this insightful information. Unfortunately, the friend in question was using this argument as a means of attempting to completely escape criticism. Every attempt I made at showing her how ridiculous it is to insinuate that a person of a particular gender is incapable of understanding, empathizing or doing anything about the problem, she just reverted to saying things like "your privilege is what allows you to conceive of that argument in the first place."
/r/MensRights31/05/14 10:05 PM
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Well, the sad truth is that I wasn't fully aware because I've always known this person to be incredibly intelligent. I figured that at some point I might be able to get them to see the issues with what they were saying, but after two days she just got fed up with me and removed me from Facebook. You know, like an adult. Heh. I guess it's just in my nature to believe that people and circumstances can change. I feel that even one person realizing their mistakes can have a positive effect on the wo…
/r/MensRights30/05/14 11:21 PM
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You know, the sad part is that the Tough Guise documentary (at least the first one, didn't even know there was a second) discusses some legitimately important issues for men and how they are portrayed in the media. For example, they cover the fact that we are often portrayed as bulky, buff guys -- muscle defined bohunks with huge guns, and that that image is getting worse and worse every year. It's absolutely true and it is something we need to work on...but....these numbers are just plain wrong…
/r/MensRights30/05/14 06:30 AM
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Yes, I was very happy to see that I had to scroll down to the bottom to see all that vitriol. I didn't want to see it, but I want to understand more about why people think the way they do when they make ridiculous statements like those.
/r/MensRights18/03/14 09:09 PM
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That might be the most empowering thing I've seen all year.
/r/MensRights08/03/14 11:19 PM
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Somehow I doubt there's a causal link between how much money he owed her and his attempted suicide. This title could probably be written better in order to erase the attempted link between owed money and attempted suicide. The wikipedia article in question states he attempted suicide after his wife left him and his dog died. It must have been a rough time for him emotionally, and although owing a lot of money to someone could definitely be considered a possible reason for something like this, so…
/r/MensRights20/02/14 08:13 PM
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Sexism is not defined by the amount of power one has in a society, it is defined by the philosophical approach one takes to gender roles. This is the stupidest argument I've seen in a while.
/r/MensRights19/02/14 12:00 AM
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This isn't exactly the same thing. If you veer off into some grass in the middle of the day and you think you might have hit something, there's no reason not to go back and check. It's the middle of the day -- you can see, there is a legitimate reason why someone might have been out there on that day, it's your duty to go back and check. Conversely, in this case it was a young woman driving an SUV at 8:30 at night in the fall. Sun down on that night in this area was about 4:30-5 PM. Most parents…
/r/MensRights02/02/14 12:22 AM
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The article is wrong. As someone who lives in the area and has been following the case, the reality of the situation is that her brother said something along the lines of "did you hit something?" and she kind of ignored it because she figured it was just leaves. She went home, spent some time there, and then someone came over and mentioned what had happened. As anyone would have a tendency to do, mentally, she tried to disassociate herself from it and tell herself that she didn't do it -- she ev…
/r/MensRights01/02/14 10:37 PM
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As someone who once dropped out of public schools because I didn't feel they were doing me any good, I can confirm that more breaks/play can be a much more effective tool than Ritalin. After I dropped out, I was tutored by a woman who gave my classmates and I at least ten minutes of play for every hour that we studied. I find it interesting to read here that this is the amount of time given to Japanese students. Needless to say, it worked for me -- I went from earning D's and F's in public schoo…
/r/MensRights29/10/13 10:54 AM
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Gladly. Discussion 1: http://i.imgur.com/bF9Rtwb.png http://i.imgur.com/70m61Im.png http://i.imgur.com/ziJmUgF.png http://i.imgur.com/Vd8qh3j.png http://i.imgur.com/gTuPtDL.png Discussion 2: http://i.imgur.com/aktkeKk.png http://i.imgur.com/ysTlbpi.png The permalinks in question: http://www.reddit.com/r/Feminism/comments/1p2mar/meet_the_mens_rights_activist_who_left_an_ohio/ccyf0ew http://www.reddit.com/r/Feminism/comments/1p5aj8/male_student_athletes_make_up_33_of_the_us/ccz09yb Oddly enough, t…
/r/MensRights27/10/13 05:35 AM
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I can't believe that's all it took. Of course, men can't be raped, they just get lucky. sigh
/r/MensRights27/10/13 04:21 AM
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I'm not seeing any upvotes from this and I couldn't care less. I'm just here for the discussion. It's sad to see that people did that, but what are you going to do? The internet is full of trolls.
/r/MensRights27/10/13 12:32 AM
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The thing is, something like my banishment offends me personally because I love women. I grew up with a single mother who taught me to respect women and gave me every opportunity in life. I hated my dad because he had once attacked my mother. I'm very well aware that this kind of violence exists and that there are reasons why feminism exists and is important. It's disheartening to me when I see a feminist say something like "men can't be feminists" or "all men are rapists" because all I can thin…
/r/MensRights27/10/13 12:29 AM
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Oh, I'm definitely a subscriber and I always participate in discussions that I find meaningful and interesting. Thanks for the warm welcome. :)
/r/MensRights27/10/13 12:19 AM
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Sure it is. While in college, I studied media literacy for my capstone, delving deeply into the kinds of tactics that the media uses to convince us to buy something or think a certain way. I know exactly what these tactics look like. Just because you do not does not mean that I'm wrong about my assertion. Think of it like subliminal advertising; you don't know you're seeing it, but you're still seeing it.
/r/MensRights27/10/13 12:04 AM
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They should be outraged by themselves for not getting to the story and treating it as equally important as any other story, which lead a group like Anonymous to do what they did.
/r/MensRights27/10/13 12:01 AM
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This is true.
/r/MensRights26/10/13 11:50 PM
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This has been suggested before, and I may do just that, but the thing is that I don't like to pigeon hole myself into one definition. I agree with certain points of every group that fights for equality, so I'm willing to say that I consider myself a part of any group that fights for equality. Maybe that just makes me an egalitarian and I should just accept that, but...I like feeling like I belong to a lot of groups. Groups are fun. :P
/r/MensRights26/10/13 01:33 PM
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Weird...I'm not sure.
/r/MensRights26/10/13 01:22 PM
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I particularly like the part where he says "Oh, I'm sorry I'm such a rapist" and the response back is "it's because you were born a man and that's not okay." It's not okay to be a man? Every man is a rapist? Wow....real bunch of winners we've got there. It's no wonder he responded the way he did. They were being absolutely ridiculous.
/r/MensRights02/10/13 03:42 AM
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That's an opinion, as I've already stated. It's an unsubstantiated opinion at that and one that can easily be argued. Just because you don't see the value in it does not mean it does not have value -- it means you are narrow of vision and refuse to see reality for what it is. Being that you're obviously someone who just has to have the last word, I'll leave it at that and let you believe whatever you want to believe. It makes no difference, I've done a fantastic job of explaining both legitimate…
/r/MensRights15/09/13 09:57 AM
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As it was with the formation of the constitution. They had to fight to get that kind of language in there because many of the signers were slave owners, as I mentioned. None of this makes the end result any less important.
/r/MensRights15/09/13 09:46 AM
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By that logic, one could also point out that the founding fathers of the United States, despite producing the constitution, were often slave owners themselves. Just because the originator of an idea is flawed doesn't mean that the idea itself is flawed. You're relying on a bit of a fallacy here. Great, some early feminists were racist; so what? So they were hypocritical? Does that somehow demean the value of their ideas of equality? If we had thought that way about the words of the Constitution …
/r/MensRights15/09/13 09:13 AM
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That's a fascinating opinion you've got there, but unfortunately it can't exactly be substantiated by facts. There are certainly historical viewpoints which support such an opinion, but sadly it is still just that. My, my...you sure do have to distort reality quite a bit in order to maintain moral superiority. Oh, sorry...that was just my opinion.
/r/MensRights15/09/13 08:52 AM
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The manner in which some people choose to use/see the term feminism is of little importance; what matters is what the term actually means and what it stands for. It makes perfect sense for someone who has an irrational hatred of a certain group of people (in this case, men) to use a more friendly term to describe their feelings in some vain attempt to placate their own desire to be able to accept their viewpoint as morally correct. In reality, their misuse of the term is only further proof that …
/r/MensRights15/09/13 08:26 AM
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HAH! HAHAHAHAHAHA! This wasn't even an argument. I simply informed you of the meaning of the terms "feminism" and "misandry." You seemed to be confused, so I was trying to help you understand. We have words for each idea and what you are describing is obviously misandry. You've explained to me why you think it is false, but in th face of logic your ideas do not hold up. It's not my fault if your ideas are patently absurd. The very idea that using the exact definition of a word to explain its mea…
/r/MensRights15/09/13 05:13 AM
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I believe you are mistaking Feminism with Misandry. Misandry is hatred of men and the idea that women deserve special treatment over men. Feminism is about bringing equal rights to both women and men. From Dictionary.com: fem·i·nism [fem-uh-niz-uhm] noun 1. the doctrine advocating social, political, and all other rights of women equal to those of men.
/r/MensRights15/09/13 04:34 AM
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False. Once more allow me to explain. Feminism advocates for equal rights among the sexes. Men's Rights advocates for equal rights among the sexes. How do these two oppose each other, exactly?
/r/MensRights15/09/13 03:28 AM
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That's not true. You're talking about a term that doesn't even exist outside of the internet in any legitimate works whatsoever. It may be true that Misandry and Feminism are mutually exclusive, but being an advocate for both feminism and men's rights is not impossible. Just as feminism is about the equality of women to men, men's rights is about the equality of men to women. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous.
/r/MensRights15/09/13 03:06 AM
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Well, it is offensive to anyone who understands that women have bee playing video games for just as long as men -- the argument made in this picture is completely ignorant tripe which should not be taken seriously by anyone.
/r/MensRights15/09/13 03:02 AM
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Is that a bad thing?
/r/MensRights15/09/13 03:01 AM
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There's a difference between feminism and misandry. Feminism supports the idea of equality among the genders, not of one gender over the other. Men's rights activists don't hate women, they don't consider themselves better than women, they consider themselves the equals of women. It's that simple, really. The fact that you think otherwise is quite troubling.
/r/MensRights15/09/13 03:00 AM
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As someone who considers himself both a feminist and an advocate for men's rights, I find this offensively ignorant.
/r/MensRights14/09/13 08:19 AM
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Going to see a movie makes you a pedophile? I'm 29 years old and I'd gladly go see Despicable Me 2 alone. What, every guy of a certain age that goes to see a movie on his own is automatically a creeper? I went to see Princess and the Frog on my own, I wonder if anyone was silently judging me. I saw pre-release screeners of Frankenweenie and Wreck-it Ralph so that I could review them -- guess I'm a pedophile!
/r/MensRights08/08/13 02:03 AM
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