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There are not many swedish feminists who oppose the "nordic model". The law was definitely proposed based on feminist theories where the sex worker (most often a woman) is seen as a victim and the buyer is seen as the perpetrator. If the situation was the other way around. That most sex workers were men and buyers were women. This law would never have been passed.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 05:45 PM
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These have little to do with how dangerous it is for women. Only one of them you could arguably make the point would be marital rape, but that one would have been criminalized anyways sonI would not claim it is because of feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 08:59 PM
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Women did have choices before feminism. Not all women were forced to marriage and babies before feminism. Of course. It was the critics of feminism that came up with the idea of "believe all women. Not the actual people saying it. Must be the same with "defund the police". They didnt actually want to defund the police, it was the critics who came up with a strawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 08:57 PM
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I think it is important to use your "gut feeling" shen it comes to matters of safety and security. Better to be safe than sorry. And I would say that it makes more sense in general to be more cautious. In todays world it doesnt make any sense at all to trust someone immediately. Sure most people are not a risk at all. But always good to be a bit less trusting in the beginning and then people can earn your trust. That is much better than the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 08:24 PM
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Hehe yeah, if someone tries to pressure you into sex. That if anything is a an enormous sun sized red flag. It means stay away. :) Yes. There are a few red pill men who want it as soon as possible as proof we aren't settling. Red pill dudes arent the sharpest knives always. Sort of like the rad fems. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 07:32 PM
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I do have a lot of disagreement with "feminism". But I still wouldnt say that it is dangerous. Its clearly not very dangerous compared to other ideas. The issue I have with feminism, and why I want to keep my daughter as far away from it as possible is because it teaches women really bad values. It teaches women that most things in life is all about them, its all about if they are being subjecter, if they are fearful, if they feel offended, etc. It teaches women to be narcissistic and hedonistic…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 07:29 PM
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Yes. I think this is all logical and as it should be. But I dont see what the whole discussion is about. So for a good solid relationship you wait a couple of dates before you have sex. This seems quite common sense. And if you just want a quick one time thing you obviously dont. Is there any guys out there saying that they want women to give sex on the first date? Or whats the big issue/discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 07:20 PM
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What has feminism practically ever done to make the world less dangerous to women then?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 07:16 PM
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I mean they were both ina toxic relationship, true. Most people would agree on that. But AFAIK it was Amber heard who went out publicly to accuse Depp of abuse. And his career wad cancelled for it. And as far as I remember the media continued to push this message. And the reason why people reacted from the trial was that she seemed much more abusive than him, even though she was the one who claimed abuse. So I dont know. I wouldnt call it even steven.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 07:14 PM
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And yes, we do need evidence for a crime. But I’m asking you genuinely, how would you go about proving that your partner raped you if they weren’t overtly violent and left physical damage? Do you at least understand how asking for solid proof isn’t going to be possible most of the time? This is all I’m asking here. Not saying to lock up innocent people, but we need to find better ways, don’t you agree? The question is. What is the better way then? I mean this will always be a very difficult thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 07:03 PM
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What do you mean? Were you not able to live the life you want to? Would you be forced into marriage if feminism didnt tell you otherwise? Honestly it doesnt make sense to me because in the western world today, women can do what they want and they are not forced to marry or have kids. Believe women I think the term is "believe all women". And it explicitly has to do with always believing women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 06:58 PM
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Yeah. But I would assume you can also feel love when you are not having sex? And I would also assume you can sometimes have sex without feeling love?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 06:53 PM
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What do you mean when you say "feel live through sex". To me it really sounds like jibberish. Do you mean lust wheb you say love? Then that could be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 06:49 PM
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I think you are completely right. This is first time i've ever heard the term "love through sex". It sounds incredibly stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 06:47 PM
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One thing I dont understand. When you say "withholding" sex. What does that mean? If people date. No matter what, I would assume people would not expect sex until 3rd 4th or 5th date. Depending on how well they knowneach other and get along. Ia that withholding sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 06:46 PM
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Well if it is a high school sweetheart, then people are young, and those relationships usually dont last super long anyways. When people are young, most people dont consider cleanliness when they get together. Im damned if I try to make it work, but if I broke up immediately yall would say I wasn't trying hard enough to make it work If you were in your mid 20s and want to "settle down". And you started dating someone who instantly appears to be a real slob, and you are not matching him in terms …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 05:31 AM
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Dont listen to what guys on the intetnet says. But I've seen it happen a lot when people divorce and the couple has kids, and the husband apparantly doesnt do much at home. Like, I think in most of these situations it could have worked itself out better if the woman put her foot down earlier, that doesnt mean she should have gotten out of the relationship earlier. But make it clear that she wont accept being the one who does all the work. Because after they finally decided to divorce then the gu…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 05:27 AM
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You dont have to do it. You want to do it because you have a certain level of cleanliness you want to live in. Thats understandable. But much better than cleaning up after a slob is to not get together with someone who is a slob.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 07:14 PM
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I actually wonder. How quickly did you leave him? It sounds like a terrible relationship? And how quickly do you notice that he is a lazy bum? I think the stuff these women are complaining about is stuff that the men in relationships don't do and we are expected to do it for them The thing is. I keep hearing this a lot when women are complaining about stuff that the men in relationship dont do and women are NOT expected to do it for them. In a lot of cases women take on doing stuff that men dont…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 04:38 PM
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Its perfectly fine for women to say that if they dont say it to a guys face. That would be a bit rude.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 09:14 PM
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What makes you think that this has to be equal between men and women? Why would this be equal?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 03:54 PM
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I am not saying only women decide. But I would make the argument that its the women in total who drives the amount of dates that there are in society. I would bet that most women can go into dating apps and pretty quickly make a date happen. Whilst for most guys this is pretty difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 03:51 PM
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You mean to say it is not very attractive when a guy starts to argue about statistics on a date? :)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 03:46 PM
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Well yes. But that doesnt say much about how easy it is for either sex. Women are the ones "deciding" that dates are going to happen. If most women would go together into a conspiracy to just swipe right on every guy on their dating app and set up dates. What would happen is the total amount of dates in a country would obviously go up. If men would do that (they sort of already are) nothing will happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 03:44 PM
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In what way was my post entitled? The reason why the post sounded entitled is because she was conplaining so much about all the things that "women" dont automatically get with kids: status, compensation, help with raising kids, free from criticism, etc etc. It is a very entitled view. What matters is what puts food on the table. Well obviously. And no one has argued anything else. I dont know where you live, but where I live dads support their kids too.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 05:29 PM
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Well this is a very stupid take. Obviously if you choose the wrong partner who leaves and then try to raise kids on your own, that might suck. But there is still plenty of reward with raising human beings. But what you can do is just not have kids with an asshole and create a wholesome family. It will be fine. And obviously in order to make your point you have to disregard all the positive parts of having kids / family. Which is that you will have more meaning in your life, you will be less lone…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 04:35 PM
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What do you mean? Society appreciates mothers as much as it always has done? Why does society appreciate mothers less now than 20 years ago? In what ways are mothers blamed for everything? There is not too much expectations on mothers, where is that supposed to come from.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 04:21 PM
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Well its good then that nobody has ever claimed that nothing beyond 10 years counts. The problem with the post that I commented on was that it claims that men "stole" programming jobs from women. And the claim is obviously absurd, what did men do? Did we force to women who worked with programming to give up their jobs? Of course none of this has ever happened, and women have been free to pursue careers in programming ever since it took off in the 90s. The main problem is that women are not as in…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 04:10 PM
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Cmon. There is absolutely nothing that has stopped women from going into coding. Society has for the last 20 years been screaming for more programmers. And women showed no interest. Your take is a nutty conspiracy theory. :) no offence. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 06:11 PM
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I dont have a hard time. For me everything is running pretty smoothly :) But I've been in enough hiring processes to know whats going on behind the scenes. And in EVERY company I've worked at, you will get an extra gold star in the hiring process if you are a woman applicant. Why? Because I work in a male dominated industry and most people, including me, thinks that the office dynamics is much better if there is more of an equal distribution of men and women. So people are doing the most towards…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 03:35 PM
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They all suck bruh. As someone living in a society where gangs are actually a real threat. And kids as young as 13 are actively partaking in gang shootings or being executed by gangs. There is a massive difference between watching Tate and being involved with gangs.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 03:18 PM
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I think you edited you post and the last part of consent I had not read when answering to you. When it comes to that, yes men has always been more risktaking, violent and status seeking. So that men do that in their teenage years is not strange. But I dont quite understand what about what I wrote you disagree with?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 02:59 PM
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I would say the reason why males at that age are looking for role models is because "civil society" has stepped back, its the "bowling alone" effect. :( Teenagers are less into sports, church or other similar activities where you would find those kinds of role models. Well rather than saying that they are "seeking out" the most toxic version of machismo. First of all, they arent. Real life gang members/ criminals are much more machismo than online people like tate. I would prefer tate than gang …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 02:47 PM
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Well I wouldnt necessary agree with the point of men having "no good male role models". I think most men, at least in the middle class life I live have good fathers who act as good role models. What I would say though. Is that it is a very typical phenomenon that occurs when boys become teenagers 13-16 years old, its very natural in their development from boys into "men", to actually distance themselves from their fathers. You have to grow up and be independant, you have to make it more on your …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 02:38 PM
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Well no. If you would have had a real job and been in hiring processes for the last 20-30 years you would know this is not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 11:08 AM
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But also. As some sort of balance. Even though I have seen some women being advantaged, especially at junior/lower levels. What I would say is a bigger problem is that at higher levels/ higher management roles, nepotism has been extremly rampant. And that has almost exclusively worked to the benefit of some older men. Essentially buddies of the boss has been given high level roles even though they were highly incompetent.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 07:23 AM
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TBH. Your "lived experience" is just not worth that much if you have a feminist or other highly ideological perspective. That means your own anecdotes and subjective experience is highly colored from your ideology. And since you "believe" in your ideology, you are seldom willing to question your own conclusions. I've been in situations where I was overlooked because they promoted less competent women instead of me. I could have seen it as a case of women being favoured over me. But it was actual…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 07:01 AM
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That was more true maybe 30/40 years ago. But wasnt true when DEI was introduced. Then society was more fair. Well there are plenty of both male and females that were not given breaks. Its impossible to know if it was because of the sex of the person. In general I have scepticism towards the claim that people say they needed to work harder than other people. Because it is impossible to know how hard other people work or how skilled they are. And with people in general being quite narcissistic. P…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 06:15 AM
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Well. I would argue that DEI favours all groups except white males. Which is unfair. I worked in the time before and had to be ridiculously overqualified to compete for a traditionally male career job right out of college Which profession? I also worked in a world before DEI. And in entry level jobs, women were given a premium. Meaning women were favoured far above men, and I would say in an unfair way.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 05:54 AM
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Women are not "taking" the physically demanding jobs. Instead of trying to compete with us and encroach our space. Dude. It is not "our" space. This is silly.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 05:46 AM
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Well. I would argue that the people that argue for MeRiToCraCy does not share the view that "women are stealing mens jobs". The view that women are stealing mens jobs is pretty fringe. Although you can still say that and say that there are examples where women has been given an unfair advantage due to them being women. Which I think is true. How bout you? You think meritocracy is silly?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 05:44 AM
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Well no this is obviously not true. Most people do not evolve their self esteem because of their success/ unsuccess with women. They develop it through other skills or abilities they aquire, not connected to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 03:57 AM
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Cmon now. I've never ever heard anyone demonize a woman for wanting a more traditional man, or wanting a more egalitarian man. However if you say as a man you want a traditional woman that you can start a family with who would do more of the taking care of the kids. You have most in the time in mainstream society been seen as a neanderthal that wants to chain your wife to the stove. I would say that in modern society men are judged more harshly in that way. Whilst I do agree that in other ways w…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 06:07 PM
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I don't understand men. If you want to be traditional - be and find women who enjoy that. If you don't want to be - find a woman who will like what you like. Why are you trying so hard to figure out what you want to be? You will live like that, not some girl from internet. Do you have no preference who to be? The reason why is because men are constantly told how to be. In a way that women are relatively free from nowadays. Everything in mainstream media points towards one way of being a man, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 05:47 PM
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If you would argue that these crimes are due to misogyny. Then I would assume gay men dont commit these crimes against other men?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 05:03 PM
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If it was strictly regarding SA the crimes are driven by the male sex drive and hence his sexual orientation would dictate who he would target. If not then women are easier targets because they are weaker etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 05:01 PM
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I obviously didnt claim that All men want to do or would do those things. What I am saying is that those men who are criminals and do violence and crimes tends to do violence and crimes against both men and women. Point being that if someone does bad things towards women, it does not mean it stems from misogyny, it stems from.them being a violent criminal. Thus refuting your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 04:44 PM
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Misandry is just women going out of their way to avoid men. There is a huge difference between them. I wouldnt say its misandrist to avoid potentially dangerous situations. So if you feel to be in a scary situation with a man that seems potentially dangerous. You are perfectly free to avoid that, and you are not misandrist. Misandry is the concious spreading of prejudicial, incorrect and negative stereotypes about men. That obviously impacts men in a very negative way if it is widespread in soci…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 04:13 PM
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So you mean to say it is perfectly fine to be prejudical after something bad has happened to you? Do I have the moral right to be racist if some illigal migrant does something to me? If you know logically yourself that your prejudical reaction is highly irrational. Then I would argue that its not morally right to lean into your prejudices.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 04:00 PM
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It took me meeting a lot of men in my life to prove him wrong, because the majority I've been exposed to refuse to use their neocortex. Didnt you go to a normal school and met a bunch of normal boys there?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 03:55 PM
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So because a few men are criminals therefore its reasonable to project your negative prejudices to the rest of men.?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 03:53 PM
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Depends on the meaning of slightly. And how old. Right. 35m + 25f i see no issue. 30m + 20f I see no moral issue but wouldnt do myself. 28m + 18f I see as a bit strange.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 05:04 PM
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I suppose both could be true at the same time. I've definitely seen those creepy older dudes who go for younger girls. But in general I can also see that if you are over 30 and male, you tend to go for slightly younger girls, not only because they are more attractive, but I would assume that many women get into long term relationships and start having babies in their 30s. So must be fewer 30+ women available.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 04:37 PM
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We were talking that in more recent times the female sexuality is being celebrated and uplifted. That is not the same as women being treated as sex objects.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 07:42 PM
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I also live in western europe. I mean it all depends on context, if you are going out to the club or on a date it is pretty common for women to dress "lightly" and show some skin. I dont think people see them as trashy. On the other hand if you plan to show up to work with big boobs sticking out, yeah people are going to think its trashy. So you have to "read the room". But I just dont think what you are saying is true nowadays. But its exactly the same things for guys. Its not like we go around…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 05:20 PM
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Well. I mean, that stereotype of women being "pure" might have existed in the 19th century. But we are quite far awqy from that. The more recent stereotype is as I said the more lightly dressed women. If it is all about stereotypes, then you would wanna avoid that one as well? But to moralise an entire group and assign them value based on their appearances is kinda wrong don’t you think? I dont really mind all that much. Those types of assessments happens all the time in peoples head and its har…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 04:42 AM
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And it incentivizes women to get pregnant by deadbeat losers. All we are gonna get left with is more fatherless households.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 06:05 PM
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But I do like what it represents for us as women and being able to shake off the strict stereotypes of how we have traditionally been viewed I wonder. Why is there such an fixation on breaking stetrotypes and gender norms? And also, isnt it now an age stereotype with scantily clad women? So I kinda dont see it as breaking any stereotypes. Quite the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 03:44 PM
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Yeah its a good point about hugh heffner but I never saw him as celebrated specifically for his "sexuality" but more for being a womanizer and a businessman. If he was more sexually overt, or if he would have gone more towards the direction of "hardcore" porn with his magazine. I think he would have been seen as a perv. Personally I think it is a good thing that the male sexuality is a bit "repressed". I just dont see much good coming out of accepting overt male pervy behaviour. And my main prob…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 09:55 AM
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Yeah, and funnily enough these kinds of "feminist" ideas are often seen as "fresh and new". Whilst they are the same old menbashing tropes that has been going around since the 90s. They are essentially just spreading the same old gender stereotypes that they typically themselves argue against. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 09:45 AM
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I agree with every single word of what you have been saying except only on one point. To go into it, the idea of male sexualization being viewed as dirty is something that I think of as being a relatively “new” idea. I’m like 30-ish now, so feel free to correct me if I’m wrong, This part I disagree with. I am 40, so slightly older than you, but as a male throughout my youth there has never been any time where male sexuality has ever been celebrated or embraced. The male sexuality has always been…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 09:16 AM
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I didnt actually mean to say I think men solve their problems whilst women ruminate. I think more that when they have difficult problems women tend to ruminate on the feelings the problem causes whilst men obsess about what caused the feelings. I think both women and men nowadays complain a lot. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 03:54 AM
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If one does not have kids I fully agree with you. And if you cant meet each other, you are probably not good matches for each other anyways. So if there are no kids involved I would say there are no excuses to not do what your partner needs. But if you have 2 or more kids, it is simply not possible to meet the other person at 100% of what the other person needs all the time. When there is a family with kids. I would argue that time & energy is the bigger issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 07:38 PM
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Heyheyhey. Werent we all supposed to be equal? Why should it be up to the man to do the seduction, courting and pursuing? Why should it be up to the man to do all that? But I mean there are plenty of women being neglected. As there is plenty of men being neglected. If you have a good relationship with good communication it should work itself out.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 06:53 PM
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I think you are correct. I think this is much more of a "relationship" issue rather than a "guy" issue overall. The sad truth is that it is quite hard to match and be in the mood at exactly the time your partner is in the mood etc. I would personally say that if you struggle with sex even when having no kids. Its going to get impossible when kids are around all the time. And you basically have only an hour for yourself every evening and you are completely exhausted.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 06:49 PM
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I know this might be a bit of a sidetrack. I agree with your point that men in general speak less about their "emotions" and instead talk about what their opinion is (based on the emotion they just had). But i think you are wrong in saying it is because men see emotions as "feminine". I think this is an unfortunate "trope" that most feminist/bluepill people have, that men spend all of their energy on avoiding things labeled as "feminine". That is not true and doesnt bring the discussion forward.…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 02:06 PM
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Isnt this just a social media pose? Its just a fad amongst young "feminist" "liberated" women. There are so many fads and strange social ideas that spread rapidly amongst young women. And this is just another one that will pass. In general what I think most people miss is that. IF you want a family(kids etc) then YES you really do need a man. Just as much as a man needs a woman if he wants a family. And sure, in "Theory" you could pump out the kids without a stable relationship with a man. You c…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 01:32 PM
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This is so silly. This is so typical of a blue pill rad fem take on male sexuality. The schtick is essentially. Take whatever difference there is in sexual behaviour between men and women. Say that it is all because "men" are taught their roles by the "patriarchy". And then exaggerate those difference, and then demonize the way men behave whilst praising how women behave. Its tiring. Everything you have brough up are either false or massive exaggerations. The absolute vast majority of all men si…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 01:06 PM
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But those are not real examples. In modern society BOTH men and women have a norm to provide for themselves or their family. I've never met a woman who is not actively working to support herself or her family if she has one. And the "emotional supression" is also silly because it doesnt exist. It simply is the case that men in fact are less emotional on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 08:05 AM
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Ageism is not a thing! It doesnt exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 07:49 AM
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Well I would say this is mostly a "media phenomenon". In real life women after 35 are still great mothers, great wives, great coworkers and in general have great lives and are respected for what they contribute. But the media relies on sex appeal. So older women are not "sexy".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 07:49 AM
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Well but you are clearly not thinking 2 steps more. Parners are higher percentage of perpertrators, but a big reason for it is because women in general avoid dangerous situations with dangerous strange men. Women use their common sense to AVOID clear threats. Putting it clearly. It women minimizes their exposure to dangerous situations/people. That does mean they are less likely to be victims of those people. But doesnt make those people less threatening. Another clearer example for you. I am mu…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 07:32 PM
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What do you mean by dangerous? Last time I checked when it comes to partner violence the stats are still quite equal in the sense that women abuse men just slightly less than men abuse women. But its roughly equal. But men tend to do more damage.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 05:59 PM
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Well there is probably no one who denies that male violence is a problem. But its simply not true that intimate partners are the biggest threat.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 05:57 PM
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I just dont think women were as opressed as feminists would like you to believe. And they are certainly not opressed nowadays. I have not heard any person live during the last 30 years of my life say that a women is "not capable" of being a leader. So that is just a trope from 50 years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 06:38 PM
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So you dont think any women do bad things in relationships and men complain about them? Its a very common thing that people complain about their spouse yet still stay with them. I just dont get what the point is of your post other than saying men in general are bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 06:32 PM
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So your point is basically. Womens standards arent that high because men in general are "bad"?. Because men in general cheat, dont wash their underwear, dont give women gifts for valentines day?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 06:14 PM
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Why is every single one of your posts about how "men in general are bad". You seem really obsessed about demonizing men? Sure there are a lot of guys that are looking for mostly sex when they date. But there are lots more that are looking for relationships and love. So you really cant generalize. But its absolutely not about validation. Guys dont have sex for validation. Men have sex because they like having sex. And no if you are going on a date with a stranger, that you dont know yet. There is…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 06:09 PM
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Honestly. I think in general neither women nor men have that much of an issue with being "objectified" by strangers in general. But I do think for very sound reasons (in the west) both women and men have difficult time with women being sexually harassed when in public. Its just common sense that we dont want women to go around being harassed all the time. But I just dont its the "objectification" that is the problem, its the harassment.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 07:15 PM
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Yes I agree with all of this. I would say that this has mostly to do with "boys" or young men. Essentially I would say that its an experience a lot of teenage boys has. Especially those that are more socially awkward. So socially awkward young teenage boys usually gey overly low self-esteen from being constantly rejected in their teeange years. But this is not a new phenomenon. But the way people used to handle it back in the days was to grow a pair then grow up and get social skills. Nowadays k…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 03:53 PM
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I mean. Being rejected once is of course no big issue if you have normal self-esteem. This is what it is for most normal people. I do think there is a subset of young men that gets only rejection from women. Then of course their self-esteem takes a toll.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 03:00 PM
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One thing I dont think women think about is how completely confusing it can be when it comes to trying to meet the expectations of women. What I mean is. I've gone on dates with women who firmly believe in more "traditional" gender roles, where the guy should pay for the date, and you know all of these things. There is at no point in this a sense that the woman has the insight that its only that she prefers men that are like this. Its rather this womans belief is that all men "should" be like th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 07:58 PM
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I just dont see where the patriarchal stuff comes in? Is it the pateiarchy that makes men attracted to certain types of girls? It actually could be the case the case that those "smart" "independant" women are a hassle to be around. And its easier and more enjoyable to be around the hot dumb girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 06:35 PM
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I care about it if it is on an high level. Like obviously if my wife is very upset or very happy I care. And if I am the one causing the emotions I care. :) but if it is small nuances of mood changes not caused by me. Then I have quite little interest. Hehe it doesnt bother me :) I just find the differences between men and women fascinating.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 03:03 PM
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I think the only fix for now is women ceasing any considerations they do for men like this. And only putting that energy into people who offer it back to them. She’ll feel less resentful! Or you grow up stop feeling resentment and handle it like an adult? Sure there are things that women find annoying with men, but there are plenty of things men find annoying with women. We men dont try to change women, but for some reason women spend a lot of time complaining on why men dont behave like women. …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 11:05 AM
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Yup. I agree with you that that difference is there. Me and my wife have these arguments sometimes. My theory on the difference is that it has to do with men spending very little concious energy on reading other peoples feeling. Like, if I would spend all my concious energy on reading my wifes "mood of the day" I would most probably be "reading the room" a whole lot better. But now that I dont spend the time doing it, I will probably catch it when my wife is fuming. But I will miss the subtle mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 10:36 AM
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When you say they insult you. What kind of insults are you talking about? And where do you tend to find those guys? I mean. In my mind it just sounds outrageous to insult people you aee trying to date. Just seems like it defeats the purpose. And when it comes to SA. What specifically are you talking about if it isnt violence? And what kinds of boundries is it that they are pushing? And when you say that you are pushing back, I mean were they aware before hand where your boundries were. ? I mean,…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 07:25 PM
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I just dont think this is a gendered issue. I've never heard any man say that they really want brutally honest truths from women "in general". I think this is more a personality trait and how close you are to someone, and how you act in your relationship. Do I want my wife to tell me every unflattering thought she has about me? No. Does she want the same from me? No. I prefer to have it rather polite. And if you have something unflattering that you really need to say. Try to be nice about it. Wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 07:13 PM
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I cant relate because I dont play videogames. (I make videogames for a living so I am tired of them when I get home). I would also say that when you have a newborn. Probably your hobbies should be on paus for a while. Help your spouse instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 04:34 AM
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Well I would say that just about all normal men have empathy. And most normal have accountability. Yeah, not feeling dismissed I can understand. But I think there are people like that out there. But the morr you push them towards "acting and emoting" like women. The less you are going to find.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 04:31 AM
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You know "emotional intelligence" is not a real thing. Its better to be more specific. Most men are accountable, and most have emphaty. Thats just a normal thing people have.. What men tend to not do a lot is talk about emotions and feelings. If you want a man that speak about emotions and feelings as though they are a woman, then yes that is a unicorn. But luckily enough, you can actually talk to someone and have good conversations without always trying to talk about emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 07:22 PM
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I dont really get why this is gendered. Yes MOST women change after they have a baby, MOST men change after they have a baby. This is a common thing becsuse baby needs parents. But the idea that usually women step up and become mothers and men start playing video games and cheat is silly and wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 07:17 PM
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Both could reach the tree in the equitable example and that's all that matters. It's about opportunity, not the outcome itself. Sorry but you are switching the terms again. Equality = equal opportunities. Equity = equal outcome. You seem to agree with me that whats important is equal opportunities. Not equal outcome. Hence I think what you are for is equality not equity. Being lazy isn't a crutch that needs to be balanced out for them to achieve an equal outcome. I completely agree. But people t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 05:27 PM
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One of them only has one leg and the other has two. Equity would be giving the person with one leg a prosthetic so both have equal opportunity to win the race. Equality would be letting them race just the way they are, the person with one leg has to hop and they have no chance of winning. Or like in the illustrations from the link. I think equity would not only mean that they both get two legs. Since equity is focused on euqal outcome. It will never be enough to give them both "equal opportunity…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 11:54 AM
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Is there really such a thing as a "male lonelyness epidemic" ? I highly doubt it I dont think there has ever been a "clear" path to attracting a woman. You need to push yourself, get better, and try harder. Its hard with the looser talk, cmon, go out and work for what you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 06:59 PM
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Just too good to be true!. :) its all so f***ing lame. I remember hanging out with those PUA guys. So incredibly annoying, they thought they had the secret to everything in life essentially. Just because they were literally obsessed with "picking up" women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 05:29 PM
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Honestly.. Isnt this just the same thing as "the game" was in the mid 00s? I had a couple of "friends" who were "pickup artists". And they were all very lame and spent just about 99% of their energy on silly ideas on how to attract women. It was all lame, and in hindsight got even more lame. Its like a bad movie that didnt age well and looked even worse in hindsight. I get the same feeling with a lot of the redpill content. Just "the game" ideas repackaged in a "social media friendly" package.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 03:41 PM
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I think that the term misogyny is extremly overused, same as the term racism, sexism etc. It doesnt exist to the extent that people claim it does. And people use it mostly to dismiss arguments. I've never ever in my life talked to a man that hates women that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 03:18 PM
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You are literally advocating for weakening father-baby-bond on a biological level…..but thats quite typical for men. I could say you are doing the exact same thing for women youknow. ;) I agree that dads should of course be skin to skin with their babies, so you are strawmanning. When it comes to hormones I am not wrong. As you implied about childbirth and breastfeeding. And you forgot during pregnancy. Dads dont have those hormones to the same degree. Well it isnt true that skin to skin contact…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 07:42 AM
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What do you mean? That article specifically points to equity being treating people according to their needs in order to achieve equal outcome. Whilst equality means equal opportunities. Thats just what I said. And equity is dangerous. Equality is common sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 07:03 AM
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Breast milk is better than formula for you babies, look through the science. I am not contradicting myself. And you would know this if you would have had a baby. At the early stages, the baby is essentially stuck to the mother almost 24/7. The baby need a lot of attention and affection from the mother. At that time its not like the father is doing "nothing", what the father does is bring in resources (money) in order so the family can survive. This is a really important part of parenting. So whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 06:27 AM
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Well, people have for ages strived for equality. But we still did not test pregnancy in men. You can still use equality and be aware that men and women are different. As I understand equity in most cases it means equal outcome rather than equal opportunities. Thst is obviously quite dangerous.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 05:00 AM
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I dont think the main goal should be to strive for "equality berween genders." I mean, of course there is the basics that every person should be treated as equal under the laws and such. But beyond that I dont think we should strive for equality. But what we should do is to strive for equal opportubities. Meaning we should have well expanded childcare system so that both women and men can work if they want to. We should have parental leave so that both men and women can be home with babies if th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 04:56 AM
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Well, tbh there is no such thing as a "primary" parent. Both parents are equal as parents. Well not the vagina, but women have breast milk and men dont. Babies tends to want to be stuck to their mothers chests during the early days for breastfeeding as such. All of those things we should of course support.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 04:36 AM
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Well. I live in a country that is in the top scale of being egalitarian, with a lot of daycare and maternity/paternity leave etc. We still have strong gender norms, and so we should. We can have a more equal / egalitarian society without trying to bring down traditional gender norms. Because those norms are not the main reason why equality is not there. It is and has always been material reasons why women have lagged behind. Culture and attitudes are not the limiting factors.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 08:59 PM
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Really sounds like someone speaking who doesnt have kids. Yes maternity and paternity leave exists. But its mostly women who take that. And when they do, they usually lag a bit behind in the job market. Yeah formula exists, but its way worse than real milk for younger ages. I would say in most normal cases Men are equal parentd with the mom. Just because the mom does more baby work in the beginning doesnt mean the man is not an "equal" parent. But he does other things, like bring the income. And…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 08:32 PM
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Even though its getting more common. It will never get close to bringing things to equality. Because of nature, when kids are small they need their mothers, its that simple. And if you have 2-3 kids. It is inevitably going to take you out of the labourforce and halt your career a bit if you are a woman. And that is perfectly fine and good. Because we need mothers to be with babies.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 08:10 PM
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She needs a pretty face as well. No discipline can fix that. Its more about us matching.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 08:02 PM
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If women thrmselves want to do that. Because they have then a more balanced lifestyle. Are you going to try to brainwash them into not being caring mothers?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 08:01 PM
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I think there are definitely problems that we need to fix. But I think a lot of problems stems from the idea that we need to get rid of traditional gender roles. I think essentially that traditional gender roles are NOT the problem. I also dont think that emotional repression is a problem amongst men. Because I do not think there is a problem with "men" as much as I dont see any problem with "women". Thars why I am vehemently against feminism and red pillers alike. They are all the same, trying …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 08:00 PM
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I disagree. I dont think men are expected to repress a lot of emotions. And I dont think men are shamed for expressing emotions either. I havent seen it. It simply isnt an issue. The main reason people make the argument is because they have bought into the idea that men and women are very similar. And they think its much better to be a woman, hence men should emotionally behave like women. Like the opposite isnt true. Women who emote less and talk less about emotions. They arent really shamed fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 06:26 PM
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Nowadays I dont see much homophobia tbh. That was bigger in the 90s. Men dont think women are whores for asking them out. My wife asked me out, that was no issue. Well its not really about "raising boys to be emotionally illiterate". Men and women are different. Women are just by their nature much more prone to talk about their emotions. Men dont have to do that. If you want to do that its absolutely fine. But most men dont want to talk about their feelings. Not because we werent brought up to d…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 06:01 PM
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In what way is traditional gender roles the foundation of patriarchy? It sounds crazy tbh. I live in a rather egalitarian country where women have all the power in the world to rise up to be high level politicians, CEOs etc. So I would in no way define my country as a "patriarchy". Yet we still have gender roles. Why do we have them? Because when you have kids, someone needs to be a mother. But the question still remains. Do you expect everyone to act in a androgynous way? Do you expect everyone…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 05:45 PM
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Why would minimizing gender roles change the patriarchy. And dont you think there will be bad consequences for changing gender roles? And how would you minimize it? Do you think on average men should act less like men and women act less like women and everyone be more androgynous? Or do you think there should be a variety,? Like. I dont see how things in any way will be positive from minimizing gender roles. If it is even doable.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 05:19 PM
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Three things. Not in priority order. She is attractive and fit. We have social chemistry. Meaning we can hold long conversations together about all kinds of things. She is pretty similar to me. Meaning we have plenty of shared values and beliefs, and views on what we want our potential family to look like.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 04:43 PM
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Well, nowadays "societal factors" is actually the cliche explanation. I've been hearing it since the late 90s. Its getting very old. And who actually cares if it is cliche or not. What matters is whats true.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 04:40 AM
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I think this is pretty bad faith and conspiratorial. So its not that people actually care about the truth, or in the truth of their arguments, they only use the truth to push their underlying "misogynistic" agenda? What is that agenda? Its like a witchhunt. You are trying to see through their arguments to find the little witch inside of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 07:57 PM
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Well my explanation would be in both cases that is has more to do with evolutionary biology rather than what your explanation is. And there is plenty of science to back that up. But I would also say in both cases it has to do with an inherent pretty "bad" quality in both sexes. I think women would be better if they cared less about money in dating. And men would be better thinking less about looks in dating. So i think "women bad" "men bad" are valid albeit oversimplified explanations. But its n…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 07:34 PM
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Of course there is a point. Whats the point of debating people online if what you do is just label stuff as misogyny rather than explain why their argunents are wrong. I just really dont understand what the point is of labeling literally everything semi-bad as either misogynistic, racist, sexist.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 07:30 PM
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Well. I mean, I am a man and have been in many male spaces. They tend to be very argumentative. And sure if you say something that contradicts them, they would argue against you. But they dont do what happens in feminist spaces. Which is an instaban immediately. I agree with you that the phrase is a gross oversimplification of reality. Real life and dating has so much more nuance. But there is a kernel of truth in it. But I still dont get why you want to label it negatively? Whats the point?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 07:17 PM
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My question is. Why would it be misogynic to say that women care more about financial aspects in dating because "women are bad"? I could say. Men care more about women looks when dating because "men are bad" . I think its kinda true. But I dont think I am misandrist for saying this.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 07:09 PM
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but when you put it like that it seems misogynistic. Like women sell their looks for money. Like they don't care for financial stability, but care more for being paid by that man. That phrasing consciously or not reinforces this stereotype. In what world is this misogynic. Like, i can understand if someone disagrees with the point. I dont fully agree with the point. But I just dont understand the temptation to label things as misogynic, sexist, racist etc. It does literally no good? I think sayi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 07:02 PM
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There have been women rulers in the past. Or was that society in that period a matriarchy? This is why I am sayimg that it is overly simplified. If you claim that men has always ruled the world. Then you are specifically ignoring the women who actually did lead. Just in order to simplify your ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 06:51 PM
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It's not necessarily misogynistic to say that "women on average are more likely to care about financial aspects in dating than men" but it can be misogynistic if you then conclude that the reason is because 'women bad' rather than wrestling with the realities of the lack of historical opportunities for women as a class. Why is it necessarily misogynic to say that women care more about financial aspects because "women bad"?. I mean there are plenty of peopke who can say that men do bad things bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 06:49 PM
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Well. The world is not "ruled" by men. There are plenty of women in positions of power, or as head of household, or as prime ministers in countries all over the world nowadays.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 06:43 PM
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Because what they all are are mental models created in order to understand the world. The problem is that we cannot create a mental model so complex as to take everything into account. Therefore they are always oversimplified models, based on a kernel of truth taken to the extreme.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 06:08 PM
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Great argument. ! Its one of the reason why Ideologies NEVER work. Its because what they always do is simplify reality into something easy and catchy, in order to make the ideas spread more easily. But these simple ideas of how "reality" works are never ever true. And they never work. Feminism and the "patriarchy" is no exception. Its just as mad as communism and othet crazy ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 05:58 PM
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"The patriarchy" is nothing more than a conspiracy theory wrapped turned into an ideology. Not much factual about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 03:23 PM
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Well i dont really think its much of a gendered thing. Neither men nor women should be with what they think are "dead weight". And if there are plenty of both men and women who are dead weight. They can all date each other. You dont have to. So I really dont see it as a problem tbh. Date whoever you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 03:42 AM
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Well. Obviously there is no point in getting in a relationship with a "deadbeat" guy. But luckily enough, not all guys are like that, so just pick a normal guy. But it sounded more from your argument that you are asking why women should get into relationship qith men at all, they can do it all by themselves. The problem with that is that. A. It is very tough raising kids. There is a reason why they say it takes a village. You need all the help you can get. So having a partner in raising children…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 07:46 PM
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I mean. I think in this situation obviously "power" has nothing to do with it. Its all about risk assessment, which I think every person should do. That means probably as a woman you should be careful around random men you dont know. But also context matters obviously. But that also means that if you as a man are walking alone in the city in the middle of the night, and you come across people who look like gangmembers who most probably would have another ethnicity. You should avoid them. It has …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 07:30 PM
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This is such a retarded take. Essentially what you are saying is that: how "good" a man is can essentially be measured in one simple way. How well he is desired by women. Or simply put, how much sex he has with women. So the entire worth of a man is on how much sex he can have with women... so dumb. And no, men do not mostly want to hear how much women "desire" us..
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 06:17 PM
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Well. I mean. You are specifically focusing on the looks part of it. Which, yes. Looks matters. But I think the "pleasant, peaceful, friendly" matters to a large degree. Sure you want someone who is attractive. But if they are bat shit crazy. Then looks will not be enough. If someone is pleasant, peaceful and friendly. It shows that they have a nice character. And if they've made some mistakes in the past with debt and such. You can obviously still make it work if she has good character.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 11:48 AM
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I think you are probably right. I am not a woman so I cant see the female point of view. The reason why I like hierarchies is because they make perfect sense. What I like about hierarchies is that they work well when you need to work many people togethet in an organization. Because it makes responsibilities clear and understandable. And you (hopefully) find a clear functioning role in that organization. I dont think that men like hierarchies because they want to classify people or assign value. …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 08:09 PM
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I mean, I would think men in general are also smart enough to leave a bad organization. I've worked in some of those. :) they suck. But that doesny take away my liking of hierarchies. So I have a slightly hard time seeing the difference between a womans and a mans perspective on this. (But I do think there is a difference. I jusr dont know what it is)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 07:21 PM
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Both men and women in general tend to let themselves go when in relationships... when they are single again they tend to get into shape. And when people have children they also tend to let themselves go. And it is obvious why, you really have less time to spend in the gym or make healthy food etc. And then the pregnancy really takes a toll on your body. And people react to it differently. Some people gain a lot of weight when pregnant, some dont. And it is usually harder when you have more kids.…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 06:11 PM
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The post is not about gender but about sex.. there are some diffetences between men and women. And their tendency to like / work in hierachies is one of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 06:06 PM
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When you say "if competency has consistently been proven" do you mean if the higher ups in the hierarchy are proven competent? Or people in general are competent? Or is it if the organization reaches its goal and hence is a competent organization? I am personally a man and in general like hierarchies. Os I am fascinated by your answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 06:05 PM
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I think the entire conception about approaching women is a bit skewed. I agree with what most men here say. If you try to approach / strike up a conversation, and the goal in general is to get a date or something similar with a girl. You can almost to 99% chance guarantee a failure from the mans point of view. I simply think that women DO NOT want to be approached by guys simply "asking" for dates. But on the other hand. If they were approached by men who were simply social and trying to start a…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 04:03 PM
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Exactly. So you contradicted yourself. Men do call out other men when they say some out of pocket shit claiming it's a guy thing. Both things are true. It is true that men dont "call out" other men. And it is also true that we dont think other men speak for us. So how is this handled? It is handled by us really not caring that much what other men do or say. Thats other peoples responsibilities. And if we for some reason see some other man saying stuff we think are wrong, what we dont do is "call…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 04:49 PM
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Men just dont get to complain when theyre stereotyped because they allow other men to speak for them. No man has ever thought another man spoke for them. Its not a thing. I expand on the fact that's misogynistic because of how it reflects their views on women. But it doesnt though. You are trying to mindread/misread what their intention is. They think its unfair that women are attracted more to "bad boys /bad behaviour" rather than "good boys / good behaviour". That says nothing about their view…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 04:24 PM
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First of all, normal men in general really dont "call out" other men. "Calling out" people is more something that women do in general. We men let other men do their own thing. It really isnt that dickish at all. And the term " nice guys finish last" is really not misogynic. There really seems to be an inflation in the term "misogynic" with people nowadays.. Its a term that reflects the "unfairness" people relate to when they see that those people who are actually nice and friendly in general do …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 04:14 PM
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I say bonkers opinions. Or thoughts and act mildly.... crazy and see how far a guy is willing to agree with me. Hahaha. Sounds like a fun game. Your are lying just to mess with the guys, to see how he can handle the test you've created for him based on the negative stereotype you have of him. :) Sounds so fresh and fun. I mean, honestly, it does sound like a strategy that can work. But imho you come of as a dishonest deceitful person I wouldnt touch with a ten foot pole. There are people who are…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 04:04 PM
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You have completely destroyed your original point, btw. Not really. My point was that normal men dont openly act assholy and bigoted, and those normal men tend to not have friends act that way. But it is very clear that people in general have very different requirements for people that are their friends, and for people who they see positively as public figures. When it comes to friends, you will judge them on how they act towards you and others. When it comes to public figures you will probably …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 05:18 PM
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Of course passive shy introverts can in theory be assholes too. That is of course true. But as a man who lives in this world, and I work in an industry with a lot of introverts. Funnily enough, just about none of them are assholes. If you want ro argue that a lot of shy introverts are assholes too, you have to prove it to a certain extent. You cannot just mindread and say you know a lot of them are. Because that seems to be the only thing you are doing. but 1 in 6 boys are clearly fine with assh…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 04:03 PM
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With 1 in 6 boys loving Tate, it absolutely is common, especially for republicans. It's not the majority but it is common. No. Not really, having that really outgoing act of defiance/ rudeness is very very uncommon. Even amongst the people who hold those sprcific opinions. 1 in 6 do not love tate. What they seem to have is a positive view of him that is very different. And what they seem to in particular is his view and success and masculinity. They less like his views on women. How many people …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 01:15 PM
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I think its much more that the algorithms feed on anger. There is such a thing as rage baiting. That is what happens. It comes from the redpill right, but also feminist left. They then monitize and make money from it, which makes them seem "successful" from the outside.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 11:46 AM
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There are no men out there who thinks you earn a reward for not cheating or commiting crimes. That type of asshole behaviour that you showed in the video is not common behaviour amongst men. I think where the problem lies is the difference of perspective. I would assume as a woman you can run into a lot of "asshole" bahaviour from men. Like the video you posted. From normal mens point of view, we dont typically act like the asshole in the video, nor do we have friends that are overall assholes a…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 11:44 AM
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If you google "women seen as less competent studies" what you get as top results are articles like these https://news.northwestern.edu/stories/2019/07/women-no-longer-regarded-as-less-competent-than-men-but-still-seen-as-less-ambitious-and-decisive Essentially studies showing exactly my point of view. Nowadays women arent seen as less competent. Its actually oposite, women are seen as slightly more competent. Your anecdotal example could yet still be true of course. But studies seem to suggest o…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 03:32 PM
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That is one explanation of why women overall make less. There are also other explanations like women not choosing professions that pay more, women working less hours, etc. But I dont believe this is the main explanation why we have fewer women CEOs or top level politicians. I think main explanation would be that these are jobs where you need to work extremly long hours, have an extremly thick skin and also be quite disagreeable. And I think on an average, women are more normal and want more of a…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 11:59 AM
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I dont know if this is a regional thing, I live in europe. I mean, sure 30 years ago I would agree that men are overall seen as more competent. Nowadays I just dont see it. I work in an extremly competetive industry and I've worked with plenty of competent women, and they have been hired and then promoted due to their skills. Sure I assume you could still argue that they arent valued enough. But I just cant see that women are seen as less competent. So I cannot see that there is still " a lot ag…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 11:55 AM
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Men are choosing all the time too. Who they approach, who they give better treatment to, and who they talk shit about online. Most normal men dont sit on internet and talk shit about specific groups of women. And we in general dont approach women based on how we assume their personal values are. I think you might be projecting more of a female perspective on this. Females in general are pickier and choosier.. And I think women put a far greater value on the specific gener roles, just because the…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 05:46 PM
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I mean yes. If money is the most important, being a DINK is very good. But life is not all about money. It is very easy to just live a slightly less fabolous lifestyle and have kids. Kids gives you meaning in life. And when you have kids and theyv flown out of the nest. You are usually quite well off when you get into your 50s. But thats sort of like an eternal truth anyways. You will almost always be more rich when your older. You have more skills so you can earn more. You have more savings, et…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 03:37 PM
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Well, this idea you have that a woman "gives" her peak sexuality to random dudes, and then she only has "pre-menopausal scraps" for her husband isnt true dude. Go out and get a gf and youll see.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 03:04 PM
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In the public discourse I definitely think there is a certain degree of a double standard where womens sexual liberation and desires are usually hailed to the skies, while the male desires are usually demonized. But I also think that men overall has more weird kinks. But when it comes to what you do in a relationship it really isnt that complicated. Talk to your gf about what your / her desire is. And see if you can find stuff you wanna try together. And then understand that you might have some …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 02:55 PM
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I mean. Yes to a certain extent singles are usually not super well off, as usually is the case when you are young. But when you are a couple and have 2 kids, it is usually the case that your expenses skyrocket. So yes you will have more money. But it will just go to the kids. So its not usually money used for "fun leisure" stuff. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 02:47 PM
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I dont really see you putting forward any arguments towards what I wrote. Yes obviously men who dont show any value will not be chosen by any woman? Thats obvious, but whats your point? I've never said they should. Pussy is still amazing. Babies still get born. Value is still being produced. Babies are getting less and less born. But are you maybe conflating the different meanings of the word value.? One meaning which describes a persons held belief about the world. And the other being that some…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 01:51 PM
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But its kinda like you are missing the point of the argument. I've met many women who really seems to put a lot of emphasis on how much they like a more egalitarian lifestyle. Where they spend all of their time focusing on their careers etc. They essentially try to "enjoy" all the fruits of a more egalitarian society. Then when it comes to men paying for dates, or when it comes to compulsary military service, etc. They want those traditional gender roles to be there. Its almost like they pick an…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 12:02 PM
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No we all arent really. Its been women who can choose. Men really havent had the choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 11:53 AM
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Well I agree with just about everything you have said here. But I think the thing you are missing, which is exactly the thing that turns men "red pill", is that mainstream society and media has for the last 30 years been pummeling guys for their "conservative values" or their wanting of "traditional gender norms". As soon as men have wanted traditional gender norms, theyve been treated as sexist pigs who want to chain their wives by the stove. Women by en large have lived with a narrative that t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 11:51 AM
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I mean. Yes. You arent really going to change your introversion. Its a personality trait that is hard to do anything about. But as an introvert myself. Getting out, meeting people, meeting women. You have to actually work on not being so introverted all the time. And I think in a lot of cases, introversion and shyness goes hand in hand, even though they are different phenomenon.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 04:38 AM
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Well.. honestly I wouldnt say what you are talking about has anything to do with compatibility. In my mind compatibility is about if your personalities, your values etc are compatible. Meaning, if you would be good matches for each other and have good chemistry. What you are talking about is if people fit your highly unreasonable expectations, just to get into the door. It just seems like your personality and way of living is incompatible with having a family in the long run, or even having a mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 04:29 PM
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Dont think there is any normal person on earth. (Except of course red pillers, but they arent normal) that actually thinks it is better for women to be in a bad relationships. No one wants that. Of course women should rather be single than in bad relationships. That is a given. The problem from my point of view comes from trying to categorize people as "good men" as opposed to "aversge men". There is a plethora of "good" average men out there for women. So saying that there is just a limited sup…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 01:06 PM
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This is so true. I mean, if you are 30 and struggle to talk to women, and havent done anything yourself about it. Then obviously there are some issues. Becoming "not shy" is not difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 12:45 PM
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I mean. Not really. Dude just needs to learn to not be shy and introverted. Lots of good books on the subject. Really isnt much women can do though. I think he just need to inhale some "bro truths".
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 12:42 PM
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The whine is strong in this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 12:38 PM
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I can now clearly see the red pill path in front of me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 12:32 PM
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As a parent of young kids and living with my partner. It does sound perfectly reasonable that younger people in their 20s / early 30s, both men and women, even slightly unattractive ones who are single are happier, than if you have a partner. Why? Because then you have plenty of time, looks, money and few responsibilities so you can do plenty of fun stuff. Sound like great times. !!! The problem gets when you reach older ages. Late 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s. Then it just simply is not as fun anymo…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 12:26 PM
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This is just so silly. Yes of course there is a limit of "above average" men. Its pure math. As long as there are averages, there will be fewer above average. The idea that you are posing that essentially no woman should ever settle for anything average or below is extremly silly. Most people are average, men and women, and they are still lovable people. And they would live perfectly happy love filled lives with each other. Average is cool. Mediocre is cool!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 11:57 AM
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So the men have shitty takes because they are unsocialized? Whats the reason for women have shitty takes? Are they unsocialized as well? There are plenty of women with bad ideas too. I mean I do agree with the main post. But have a hard time seeing the idiocy as being that gendered. But I think unfortunately the internet has broken a lot of brains. That together with an abysmal education system. A lot of idiotic "ideologies" running wild on the internet is creating a stew of stupidity..
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 11:50 AM
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You are correct that struggle in itself is mot a virtue. But I believe Socrates view about it is correct. "Socrates did not explicitly name "struggle" as one of the cardinal virtues; rather, struggle is implied as a necessary condition for achieving virtue (aretê), which he equated with true knowledge and excellence. " At least if one is to trust AI. It was far too long since I read Plato. So I dont remember what exactly Socrates said. But honestly. Everything that is good and worthwhile in life…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 07:34 AM
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I was being sarcastic. :) Every man that is born will have a constant upphill battle until the day they die. That is the journey we have been tasked with in life. This should be embraced. It is what makes us better. Some are dumb, some are ugly, some are unfit, some are lazy. Life is about trying to improve so you can procreate and have a better life.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 07:03 AM
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I completely agree. We should introduce a nation wide breeding program. Where only the most apt people with the best genes gets to breed. I mean in theory we could use the school system to filter out and match the people with better genes with each other in order to have better people. The main problem with that is that there still isnt any proper reason to let the ugly and dumb people to breed with each other. Overall that system just seems very expensive and complex for what you get out of it.…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 06:03 AM
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This thing of trying to analyze mens behaviour through a "female" lens is getting old now. The reason why men dont talk about emotions is NOT because society is less accepting of us doing so. But because it simply is not necessary or very interesting, we get along just fine without it.. I've always found it a bit odd and fascinating why women tend to be so obsessed about emotions. As though it mattered much. And no, it is not because of socialization. Its because of biology. When you have kids y…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 04:41 AM
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This is exactly why I personally have such a hard time with "red pillers" in general. There is just so much whining. Red pillers by in large complain much more than feminists do nowadays. No it is not womens or S/Os fault that men dont meet their buddies. I would say that the absolutely simplest and most straightforward explanation is that men do not have the same interest / need to socialize with friends. Therefore we dont spend the same energy on meeting our old friends or maintaining our frie…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 07:40 PM
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My analysis would be rather that the mainstream "liberal feminist" hegemony died somewhere in the mid 2000s. And after that, a lot of people naturally moved onto other "packaged" world views. One of those is religious conservatism. I think some moved into more radical leftwing ideologies.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 03:52 PM
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I have a very similar background and upbringing to you. I am a millenial (40) and grew up in a rather egalitarian family. I am a man and have more of a male perspective. From my perspective it is not very difficult to explain this. I would argue that 90 % of this is a reaction to "feminist" or left wing overreach. Meaning, if you were raised in a rather egalitarian family structure, and then most of the mainstream media keeps complaining about "masculinity" or other BS. Then people will eventual…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 03:17 PM
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Do you have kids? Why punish yourself like this? If you are a "single dad" it doesnt mean that you dont coparent. So whats normal where I live is that you have the kids every other week and then your ex has kids the other week. There is plenty of time to spend with a new partner. It really isnt all that healthy to make the kids the only focus in your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 01:56 PM
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Yeah. I think this mostly comes from young people that assume that life is practically over when you have kids. I have kids myself, if I were to divorce it would be so much easier to date someone with kids because they understand what it is like to have kids, which makes the relationahip som much easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 11:47 AM
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I think this is true. There is plenty of single men with or without kids willing to date single moms. But its probably a good thing. If women split up it is probably better that they find a new partner with / without kids to help raise their kids and create a new family.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 07:30 AM
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How do you know that their dating pool is smaller? I would argue that their dating pool might be bigger than one would think. Single moms can of course date men with no kids, but they can also date single dads with kids. Since the divorce rate is pretty high nowadays there is plenty of divorced men with kids who wants to find new relationships. And I would probably argue that most women with no kids who wants a family in the long run. Would probably prefer a man without kids. So it might actuall…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 07:23 AM
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It really all depends on each individual couple and what they want. And I would really incourage people to have a discussion about what your expectations are before you become a couple. Personally, since I run my own small company, doing consulting in a creative industry, I want to keep my personal expenses very very low. That way i can do without having a project for months, if needed. I would not expect any woman to want to run their lives the same way. Therefore our economies are completely s…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 04:50 AM
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In general I agree with you. Only would I have some disagreement is that, yeah sure maybe some of those qualities are more unique from person to person. Like you both love being outdoor and hiking etc. But I would say there are those regular measurements of a guy that still would be there and stack on top of all the things. Even of women look for people who uniquely match them. They would then still want to stack the status, looks, physique, smarts, income on top of everything. I just think thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 06:10 PM
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In general I agree with you that it is better to have a partner where you have more compatibility and that has the same values and agree with you, and you have shared interests. Etc. I would say that too high expectations is a general recipe for misery in life. If the reason why people are being in no relationship as opposed to being in relationship is because they have been fooled into having unrealistic expectations by social media. And if you agree there is a truth in this? Wouldnt a way forw…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 05:47 PM
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I agree that if you are looking for a 100% genuinly perfectly compatible person on paper. Then yeah that is pretty hard. The main reason why I disagree with that idea is because it presupposes that you can conciously know what your genuine match beforehand. And I dont believe you can. I dont believe you can create a long list of attributes and then be much better off in terms of knowing what a good match looks like. I think it has way more to do with just personal chemistry. What I think I see m…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 04:04 PM
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Personally I think the idea of there ever being "the one" is very silly. Thats not how the world works. And i sort of get the feeling that when women in general express these very high standards for men, its because they live maybe too much online and not in reality. For example. The Idea that it would make sense for most people to go on 100 dates before meeting the "right" person is absurd. Simply because this is not feasable for a lot of people. If everyone wants people that are "above average…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 03:04 PM
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First I would say that those things you are referring to are very "america centric", at least where I live in europe there are no real arguments against gay marriage or abortion rights. I would also say gay rights has little to do with feminism. And I would still guess public opinion in america is still 80/20 leaning towards some reasonable abortion rights? So even though there are some laws changing. This is not a cultural battle that I think republicans will ever win.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 01:54 PM
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The more pervasive mainstream feminist narrative the last 30 years or so has been that "women have been so opressed throughout the years and held back from being able to succeed therefore every time women succeeds it is a miracle because she is fighting her way through all of the opression and obstacles standing against her". Thats why there is always this elevation of female achievment and downplaying of male achievment. There is a so called "male privilege". There is of course some kernel of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 01:26 PM
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Its true that its not feminisms job to point out positive masculine traits. But unfortunately, at least where I live, the entire established media class is so completely gung ho on feminism in general that this "feminist" viewpoint becomes the totality of discourse on all mainstream platforms. Which I think people are reacting on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 01:12 PM
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The idea that any women or man deserves or doesnt deserve respect just because they are a cerain sex is absolutely deranged. This would of course also go for those who would say that men deserves respect, just because they are men. Or someone who says men shouldnt get respect because other men do stupid stuff. All of this of course would apply to race/etnicity as well. What tends to happen is that you earn respect based on your individual behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 09:53 AM
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Yeah you are completely right. Its also good to note that as a woman, you are also way better off to opt for the competent, confident and genuine guy. Because when you look at average people it tends to be guys with those qualities who tends to have more of those "nice to have" qualities as well. All of that is of course true until you get to those extremly accomplished and extremly successful people, they may have a bit less "nice to haves" From all of my years working in an industry with a lot…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 08:59 AM
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I would say the absolutely biggest factor is the mixed messages that men have been recieving. Most of what has been pumped out to men during the last few decades has been that women really want the "feminist vision" of what a man should be. Sharing 50/50 household duties etc etc. Men would then obviously respond to this because men are interested in attracting women. Hence the weak men. Main problem with this is that, these "feminist inspired" qualities are what you would call "nice to haves" , …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 05:58 AM
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