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Indeed men, contribute to patriarchy, which harms women and other men. Yet women also contribute to patriarchy, and not solely on an individual basis but also a systemic, cultural one. If you want me to justify that statement, I will, but for right now I'll just say it. So when we look at the causes and affects of patriarchy, we see it applies to both sides of the aisle, and dismantling it will help everyone. So if feminism's primary goal is dismantling patriarchy, what justification does it hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 04:26 AM
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I'm confused at what you're saying I see you edited your comment to specify. I agree, it's a bad name for the system it references, but that system does exist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/01/26 03:13 PM
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The patriarchy 100% exists, it just hasn't been explained to you well, so let me attempt to do that. It's the insidious system of gender roles, gender "norms" and societal expectations, that have no business existing in a world where people are treated equally. Expectations for women to cook and clean are an example of patriarchy, but so are expectations for men to sacrifice themselves and be strong stoic protectors. It's not that there's anything wrong with doing those things, but the EXPECTATI…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/01/26 02:50 PM
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Putting aside people who do it out of desperation, I think that how public and mainstream it's become with platforms like only fans is a problem. What you do in the comfort of your home is your business, but I fear that with social media and people increasingly turning to sex work outside of extenuating circumstances, it promotes a culture that objectifies women, while claiming to empower them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/09/25 07:22 AM
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It's ironic too, because half of what people point out as misogyny would fall under the irritation category. Things like "mansplaining" and "manspreading" are firmly under the 'irritate' and not 'kill' section. But somehow they're still worth pointing out to these people who claim our issues are too small.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/07/25 05:30 PM
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Hold on, tell me more about the japanese thing. Any sources on this?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 12:30 AM
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This one got it
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 12:25 AM
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I'd prefer the woman to make the first move so she can demonstrate that she has an open mind and views a relationship as a partnership between two equals, not any of the gender role bs. If I already knew she was that sort of person, I would have no problem making the first move. But there's a severe lack of those sorts of people, so that's why I need to know by her showing me. The general culture we have devalues men. Men are told to present themselves as options for women to choose from, and ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 05:45 PM
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I used rape because its an easy example to show that natural doesn't equal right. Your argument rested on that assumption, so I was simply disproving it. I never made a statement about the severity of the action in comparison to what we're discussing. The women I've met who are open to initiating are the only women I'd be interested in in the first place. I wouldn't date someone who believes in rigid gender roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 08:52 AM
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I thought about this question for a while, and I think truthfully women generally have no need for brothels. I could only imagine a women going there out of spite, not out of real sexual frustration. Women are able to easily get their sexual needs met already, but the compromise is that it's typically with a dude who just wants sex alone. But if a woman herself just wanted sex, there would be no issue with her doing so with the dude who just wants sex. Neither side would be 'used.' so female bro…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 08:46 AM
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It's not about domineering over others. It's about not being subject to the whims of others. Taking your life into your own hands, and not being a victim of life. If I feel the game is unfair I don't have the power to make anyone else do anything, but I have the power to not participate, and that's what this is about.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 07:51 AM
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Biology tells animals to rape. "Nature" isn't a good enough reason to maintain harmful dynamics and behavior. Men being expected to be the sole initiators harms both sides. Women's autonomy is limited. They are viewed as receivers of relationships rather than equal partners (hence the lock and key idea that frequently goes around). Men are socially pressured to conform to this masculine act, even if they don't identify with it. Additionally, men never get to experience being wanted. This system …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 07:40 AM
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Who came up with that reply? That's a bar wtf 🔥
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/06/25 12:17 PM
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Okay, that's valid. If you must have this preference, I appreciate your approach towards it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 03:57 PM
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But men are supposed to be 'masculine' because women say so right? His half is mandatory, but your half is somehow a reward? No matter how you slice it, it's bs.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 03:40 PM
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wants a trad man doesn't want to be a trad woman You can't have your cake and eat it too 🤦‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 03:21 PM
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I'm with you on this. I wouldn't have it any other way. Let the broken have the broken.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 02:09 PM
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I'm talking about ideas of what is masculine and feminine. Any trait that would be considered positive masculinity is in reality just a positive trait for any human to have.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/25 10:26 PM
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That's often the case actually. Have you ever been told to "man up"? Doesn't feel great.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/25 06:31 AM
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Labels will always be binding. You're basically advocating for getting rid of the strictness but keeping the labels. Unfortunately, labels always carry unwanted baggage, and there's no way to get rid of that without getting rid of the label. It's a matter of flexibility, which you seem to understand to an extent.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/25 06:29 AM
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These boxes have done nothing but harm us 🤷‍♂️
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/25 06:26 AM
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You got me 😂 thanks for the clarification
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 02:01 AM
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Where as* but yeah, I agree with you on this. It's nice in theory to them, but scary and strange in practice. But I'm not necessarily upset with that, as a lot of things fundamental to treating everyone equally feel scary and strange when you're not used to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 01:44 AM
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That's behavior they need to abandon, just as we men need to stop acting as if female predators are fine because the child "wants it." Nature tells us all sex is good sex, but that's not true. Similarly, the nature you describe is one that actively harms women. As long as women are "fine being sexualized," they'll never stop being objectified, and as long as they're objectified, they'll never be viewed as equal, full human beings rather than bodies. We are not animals. Nature is a fragile excuse…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/25 01:02 PM
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But if the inherent exploitation of being poor is the reason for the stigma, would you say that other jobs associated with poverty are equally stigmatized? I don't think working at McDonald's gets as much hate as sex work. I also don't agree that sex work is empowering. I think it simply encourages the objectification of women, is the subject of exploitation, and is simultaneously exploitative.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/25 12:48 PM
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I'd even toss it out as a descriptor because there's no chance the descriptor isn't conflated with a standard.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/05/25 03:54 AM
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I'd even toss it out as a descriptor because there's no chance the descriptor isn't conflated with a standard.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/05/25 03:54 AM
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Well said, BhryaenDagger
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/05/25 03:53 AM
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I see where you're coming from, and I know this is a cliche, but I think that's a slippery slope. If we restrict roles involving lifting things, for example, to men. Then now the man is expected to lift and carry burdens, even if it's something the woman physically can handle. If I don't carry your purse for you, for example, I'm now 'rude,' because a man is supposed to be strong and lift things in women's stead. I don't want ANY prescription. I want to help someone who can't lift something that…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/05/25 03:48 AM
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Does the reference point have to be male? Why not just, here's a set of good traits for a human to have?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/05/25 03:37 AM
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As long as they exist, they'll be used to restrict. Humans suck
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/05/25 03:36 AM
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I'll raise you one better: every individual should decide
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/05/25 03:17 AM
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Once they start treating the relationship like a competition it was already a no go
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 10:19 PM
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To be honest, except in the most extreme of cases (Internet trolls just looking for a reaction), I don't think we should ever assume bad faith. I don't think many people are going out of their way to be wrong. Us assuming so is why we're so stuck in our own heads, unable to understand others. If I had met this woman when she was in her "men are evil" phase, I might have assumed she was operating in bad faith as well. But she goes to show that more times than not, it's simply ignorance and anger …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/05/25 04:04 PM
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You're right. That is always the issue. But still, this is progress from the man vs bear sort of feminist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/05/25 04:00 PM
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Yeah I agree with you. We should not minimize the moral labor it is to change one's opinion to the extent she did. Doing so is just telling people who try to improve that their progress is worthless. Appreciation goes a long way when it comes to understanding others, and acknowledging and encouraging steps in the right direction, instead of deriding them as insignificant, will encourage more people to take those steps.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/05/25 03:57 PM
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You're right but I think it's still good to celebrate progress when we see it. Have you ever heard a woman other than her acknowledge the act of violence that "man vs bear" tiktok trend was? That's real progress, and how many people can we say actually make any progress at all? I appreciate her. She's not perfect, and her view of masculinity is still flawed to some extent, but my oh my is she better.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/05/25 03:53 PM
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I don't know how true it is that walking alone as a woman is more dangerous. It may be true, it may not be. There's a hundred different ways to misconstrue data in support of either conclusion. But what I do know, is that attaching a group's identity to any idea, such as 'victim' in this case, will never end well. It limits the group, because now they must defend their victimhood, and are now 'victims' and not 'people.' it's a generalization of a force that's highly individual, and building narr…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/05/25 03:04 PM
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The correct answer for us men, is to simply go where we are wanted. There are women who appreciate people like us and are capable of seeing the good without it messing with their misconstrued ideas of what masculinity is; we need not concern ourselves with the women who aren't. More often than not, once the conversation is fully fleshed out, it's a character flaw in the woman that's causing them to be attracted to those individuals who mistreat them. They had parents that misrepresented what a r…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/05/25 02:41 PM
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Chivalry is simply benevolent sexism, and ultimately contributes to patriarchy
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 11:55 PM
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Hey, I agree with your original opinion, but I think you would benefit from not engaging in arguments with people. That is, not resorting to personal attacks, and keeping things objective while explaining your opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 03:42 AM
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Fully agree. And there comes the advice, 'choose better.' What that advice means isn't 'choose the most rich tall attractive person,' but choose an individual who actually has a good character. Yes, choose the 'best' person, but realize that those narrow categories of 'best" often lead people to incredibly vain individuals, who lack morals because they know they are the 'best' by those superficial categories. So, choosing better means avoiding choosing the shiniest horse while ignoring their cha…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 03:26 AM
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This is off topic from the original post, but I generally disagree with handing out compliments based on things the person had no hand in creating. Like, 'your makeup looks good today' is a valuable compliment in my eyes, because they put in effort to do their makeup, but I wouldn't compliment someone simply for being born attractive. That's how people get big heads they don't deserve, because they DIDN'T do anything to be that way. It's superficial in the worst way.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 03:15 AM
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I actually disagree. I think reducing the amount of attention would be sufficient to fix the discrepancy. The attention inflates egos, and makes women treat dating like a game of getting with the highest match you can, as if regular men have no value. It's not like there's significantly more men than women in the world, and I'm pretty sure most women don't want to be side pieces, so in terms of actual supply, men and women should be evenly matched. It's just exactly what OP says: men give women …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 03:08 AM
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Men make women the center of the existence because we're taught that that's a "man's role." Society values men based on their sexual success, so we're encouraged to take on the role of 'pursuer' in a relationship because of internal sexual desire, the perceived competition, and the social reward attributed to being promiscuous as a man. Not to mention the negative reinforcement levied at all levels, with the threat of being known as an incel or having ones masculinity questioned held over men's …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 02:50 AM
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I do agree that sex is the main incentive that causes men to behave in the way OP describes. But even in that case, that's not a reason to abandon one's dignity and self-respect, reducing oneself down to 'one of many options' and contributing to a widespread imbalance of power. We need to stop treating ourselves as disposable before we ask others to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 02:44 AM
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I don't see how affordable dating/ family creation would improve the common pain areas that are frequently discussed here. You seem to imply more money will somehow fix the culture, but how does it lead to decreased desperation in men, and decreased selectivity in women?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 02:36 AM
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What problems do you guys have face in the dating market then? Can you explain what the situation is like over there?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 02:26 AM
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It's because people consider gender roles to solely be to the detriment of women, when in reality they harm everyone. But the harm is only addressed for women, so now men are doubly suffering with no recourse in a lot of ways. Told to treat women right, but also to treat them wrong, because they want both?? Misogyny and masculinity are used interchangeably to put men down for not being moral, and then also put men down for not being sexually successful. This sort of system will not last. It's al…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 04:50 PM
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I think it means you need to find the things about you to be confident about. There are certain things everyone can lay claim to that could boost their confidence. Being kind. Treating others with respect. Always trying your best with what you have. Those are things fully under one's control that, you can acknowledge about yourself and be confident in.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 04:41 PM
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It's shaming people for their when their sexual experiences don't match the expectation for their gender. Women are 'supposed to not sleep around,' so women sleeping around makes them a 'slut.' Men are 'supposed to sleep around', so men being unable to makes them an 'incel.' they're perpetuating ideas that are essentially sexist as a form of a cheap insult. They're exactly the same in how they're applied to the two genders. People who use incel might say, "I only use it because the guy is insert…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/03/25 01:37 PM
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Would you say the same thing for the word "slut?"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/25 02:28 PM
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I said this before, but I'll say it again. It's "slut" for men, used by people who ironically consider themselves too holy to use the word "slut"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/25 02:24 PM
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It's "slut" for men, used by people who ironically consider themselves too holy to use the word "slut."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/25 02:21 PM
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A lot of the things you list are ideas involved within decentering relationships. Working on oneself, having friends, not basing ones self worth on the relationship, setting proper boundaries, being selective with who you begin a relationship with. All of these are ideas championed by decentering relationships. As for this point: "Caring about things like “balancing out the dating market” as a reason for staying single is simply ridiculous, and people should do whatever is in their interest rath…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 11:50 PM
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The relationship B gets will also be generally more fulfilling than A, because it's founded on emotional connection principally, rather than looks with a dash of emotional connection.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 01:55 PM
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This is so easily A, I'm almost surprised you thought it was a fair comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 01:47 PM
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Any expectation towards men exclusively that men are theoretically supposed to enjoy. "A real man would..."
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 01:43 PM
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They are two sides of the same coin.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 01:42 PM
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I think OP did a good job phrasing this question. Rather than the typical, "women would rather..." Assumption, he asked women to confirm the truth for themselves. Being ugly and good is a worse failure in people's eyes than being attractive and bad. That acknowledgement is all I needed tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 01:33 PM
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Ironically this is true unless you're ugly. Then anyone who is attracted to you is 100% in it for good reasons. You don't have to be worried about people using you for your looks because you have no value in that area. It's almost freeing. Simultaneously you are not given space to be shallow the way most are. You're forced to look for a deeper meaning in who you get with as well. So all in all, your relationship is more likely to be happy. It's kinda funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 01:26 PM
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Thanks for taking the time to write this up. Very good, nuanced take
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 06:57 PM
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"I think women belong in a kitchen, but you don't bc I like you." You wouldn't continue a relationship with a dude who thought like that, so why would a man do so with a woman who thinks in a similar vein.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 11:08 AM
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Well you can't have your cake and eat it too false purple. Are they jokes or aren't they? The commenter states they actually agree with some of the content, which is a clear red flag. Your comment comes across as saying "my shitty person who promotes toxic behavior is better than yours because I know all the shitty things your person has done." How about we just not give platforms to these individuals to start with?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 11:02 AM
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I agree. There comes a time when, even if it might be true, it's not helpful or in our own interests to make such an argument. To actually get people on our side, we don't want to come across as sensational.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/03/25 10:47 AM
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Actually, I think we're discussing two different scenarios. I was thinking more of a scenario where the dude doesn't know the arrangement isn't what she wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 08:11 PM
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This comes across as very benevolently sexist
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 07:43 PM
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Wouldn't that describe the woman in this situation then? She knows they're not on the same page, as evident by him telling her in front what he wants, and her agreeing but having ulterior motives. She's certainly deceiving him, attempting to secretly extract a relationship from an arrangement that explicitly didn't include that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 07:18 PM
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And if he thought he could "bring her around" to having sex, we'd all be talking about how disgusting and dishonest it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 07:13 PM
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In this situation he is very upfront about what he wants. It's not on him that she thinks she can sneakily change their situation. People should learn to use their words, and believe people at their words. If she wants an emotional connection, she should say that, and they should talk about it, and either split up or come to some terms. He was honest and she's being dishonest, but he's the one who needs to change? Doesn't make any sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 07:12 PM
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But then it would be unwise to stay at '1.' The person I replied to suggested that the idea of being anywhere other than 1 was barbarous, but in reality it's not.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 01:38 PM
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Many women indeed want 1 all the time. But conversely, many women suddenly crank up the amount of male sexuality they're willing to tolerate being directed towards them, when it's done by someone they deem attractive. They will argue that this is fair, as actually wanting the person means that the situation is a mutual one, but then what about the unattractive people who are told by individuals like you they should put the cap on their sexuality completely, but are then told that their failure t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 02:21 AM
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Why is the difference between a creep and a decent encounter the attraction level? Of course, people have a right to date / sleep with whoever they want, but that doesn't make the dude who one happens not to want a creep for doing the exact same thing. I feel women shouldn't label these men so negatively, when they've done nothing wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 09:52 PM
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I see no one has given you a reasonable answer yet, so I'll attempt to: we've witnessed it time and time again. That's really the long and short of it. We've seen what women prioritize, by observing women and their relationship choices in our lives. We're not just making assumptions here .
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 10:45 PM
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Not exactly. The common belief here that rubs us the wrong way, is that many women would rather be with an attractive bad guy, than an unattractive good guy. Not a good guy by name alone, but a dude genuinely possessing many positive traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 02:07 AM
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Aye man, at least we're good finally getting some sweet validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 08:48 PM
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Ironic, because, I actually am 19, and I actually do hold myself to those standards. I wouldn't view this hypothetical woman as "basic Betty," I'd view her as a gem often ignored, with value beyond her surface. I get quite frustrated with people my own age, because, unfortunately, you'd have been right in your assumptions if I was any one of them. But yeah, I think this shallow obsession is a bad thing, in both men and women, and try to live life avoiding it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 06:38 PM
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It comes across as women taking good men for granted their entire lives only to go back to them once they've had their fun with men who, a lot of the time, treat them really badly. I would want a woman who wants a good man her entire time dating, not only when she's "tired." It's almost large scale emotionally two-timing. I don't want to be the option someone chooses only when they've exhausted all their 'fun' options.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 02:04 PM
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How is that relevant to the discussion?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 01:52 PM
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It doesn't serve a purpose. Which is why your statement that these men "have it wrong", since they're limiting their sexuality is flawed and comes from a perspective that isn't reflected in reality for your average guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 05:22 AM
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The problem is, the difference between a charming Man and a criminal shouldn't be their appearance. Ugly men shouldn't be punished for existing and trying to do what they've been told they should be able to do, and mocked for not doing. Even factoring in the right to be attracted to who you want, it's an unjust system.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 05:16 AM
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Wonderfully worded, and dead accurate. Well done
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 05:10 AM
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I'd be sad to see the day people value relationships with algorithms over actual human connection.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 12:13 AM
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Men get to be happy and satisfied instead of miserable and bitter. Women get to pursue who they want for a change, instead of being sitting ducks hoping the person they want comes to them. Also, if men stopped being so desperate, certain women would stop taking men for granted, and perhaps actually give normal men the time of day instead of chasing after the same select few.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 12:07 AM
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Let's speak practically: if you're unable to attract a girl, while you're trying, you're getting the worst of both worlds. You neither get to enjoy life, nor get a fulfilling relationship. If you decide to prioritize enjoying life, then you at least get that. And it's not even that you need to reject any opportunities that arise. You just need to let them come to you instead of chasing. The ironic thing is, when you do prioritize enjoying life, what you wanted before tends to gravitate towards y…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 11:56 PM
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Alright, I can acknowledge all of that. So you think a hypothetical movement that fully addresses the entire problem would be ideal, but unrealistic? And because of that, you don't support the flawed attempt at creating said movement? Please correct me if I'm misinterpreting what you've said
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/25 04:04 AM
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Why do you think that?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/25 11:38 PM
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I'm with you. If a girl I'm attracted to is attracted to that behavior, it instantly makes them unattractive in my eyes. They're not a mature person / aren't of a healthy mindset concerning relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 09:10 PM
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What do you consider patriarchy to mean? We probably define it differently, and that's why I think it exists, though the concept is ill named.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/25 04:06 PM
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As for other movements, like gay rights activists as you mentioned, the nature of the problem they fight against is to a large extent their sole problem, so I indeed wouldn't ask them to advocate for others. Others don't have their problem.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/25 12:32 PM
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Hmm I actually disagree. The nature of the problem feminists advocate against, that they've termed patriarchy, harms and is perpetuated by men and women, so, because of that, I feel any movement going against it is required to address it fully, by including men and women. Otherwise, we get what we have today: resentment from the outside party that "they're solving their problems but conveniently ignoring the unequal standards that work in their favor." Any good faith attempt at dismantling patri…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/25 12:30 PM
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Even if what she says isn't true right now, let's not make it true, ever
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/25 11:42 AM
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Even so, don't feminists have that same supposed justification? "Everyone already cares about them, so we don't need to include them" How can we call ourselves better if we do the same thing? I think the author actually brings up a good point, we have to be careful to be inclusive in any movement we make.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/25 11:41 AM
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Right? Like sure, it's definitely possible. But why would I want the risk?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 11:41 PM
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This is how I increasingly feel as a dude, and the way sex is portrayed in society reinforces this belief a lot of the time. Being on the receiving end of sex is viewed as degrading, but it's a-okay to degrade women historically, so no one says anything when it's a woman. That's why a dude getting pegged is viewed as being emasculating. The world can't seem to decide whether to be sex positive or negative. I can't reconcile treating someone I love in a way I and society at large views as degradi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 04:24 PM
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Amen brother
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 06:08 AM
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If this is true that's crazy. It's not even men controlling women's bodies then. It's other women controlling women's bodies
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 04:39 AM
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Do you genuinely think that's where a lot of men are coming from? Because perhaps I can't speak for others, but I can speak for myself when I say, it's not. I'd be very upset with myself if I discovered equality to be threatening to me in some way.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 04:32 AM
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Either way, we can agree that it's not a good thing to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 04:28 AM
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Amen brother
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/25 02:02 AM
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I see what you mean... Dialogue is necessary to change public opinion
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/25 02:22 AM
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Also, irl action can easily go without raising awareness, if you're the one in the position of power.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/25 07:12 PM
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Yeah, the problem is when people think online posting is the end all be all. Online posting is sort of the lowest effort one can put in. Even in your example, it was someone ELSE, who actually accomplished something. I understand online posting if you literally have no power, and can't do anything on your own. Or if your power is within your platform, and having a large reach. But I think what the post is trying to get across is that simply posting, especially when you have a small audience or a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/25 07:11 PM
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I of course know and agree that loneliness is a problem for most people. I also agree that the societal expectation is a separate thing. The issue is, we need to stare loneliness in the face and say "this is okay" to get rid of the societal expectation. It's a vicious cycle: women can afford to sit pretty, because we run up to them to meet their needs, in a desperate attempt to get our own needs met. So they never feel like they don't have options, while a lot of us have to fight tooth and nail …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/02/25 11:22 PM
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It doesn't really matter whether women or men encourage the behavior more, to be honest. It still lies exclusively with men to stop doing it. A pursued person can't stop being pursued, but a pursuer can stop pursuing. But so many of us have been taught that our value lies in attracting women and our culture ( through both men and women) keeps reinforcing that idea. And then we actively shoot ourselves in the foot repeatedly, by continuously loudly broadcasting how difficult we find it in the cur…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/02/25 10:51 PM
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I'm saying that men always encourage other men to put women on a pedestal
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/02/25 08:04 PM
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While I agree, I think we would benefit from some more neutral language, that acknowledges the role men play in furthering benevolent sexism. Thinking about relationships, the status quo is men pursuing women and women being chased. Men are told to do this or that in order to "get a girl," and this inherently makes for a power imbalance within relationship initialization dynamics. Women are not socially expected to put in the work to attract a mate, and this hurts men and women. Women are 'spoil…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/25 06:20 PM
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The only argument I can see against it would come from entitled women who enjoy being able to choose from their assortment of men and who think it's rightfully a man's job to chase
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 05:13 AM
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If our culture shifts so that both groups are encouraged to do the chasing and be chased, Women are empowered to pursue the people they want, they no longer have to sit pretty and hope the person comes to them. And less men initiating means less uncomfortable situations for women who've often been subject to them. As for men, we finally get to feel wanted. It would be nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 05:07 AM
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Yeah, I agree. It actually helps men and women
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 01:37 AM
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Gotta copy this for future use, because a lot of people need this reminder.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 10:37 PM
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I realized that half of my criticisms are towards the men who perpetuate our current culture. Men are the people putting women on a pedestal, and fueling all the crap we deal with rn. It's men telling other men they need to do this or that to attract women, inherently making women the prize to be won, and reducing men to being perceived as walking wallets to extract from, or thirsty individuals desperate for attention from anyone. Of course it produces a power imbalance, when we keep broadcastin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/25 02:56 AM
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Yeah it's not that it's not bad, it's that it's nothing new 🤣 this is just a continuation of a problem that already existed that they seem reluctant to call out
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/25 06:51 PM
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You seem to be providing reasoning for why to not use such language. I agree, you generally don't know their specific situation, so using those words as a blanket insult is dumb from that standpoint already. But just to be clear even if the dude is a being a jerk, what you choose to insult reflects on your values. Calling someone an incel is basically saying "I think your value lies in how many people you've slept with and how easily." I think we can agree that such values are problematic and re…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 01:13 PM
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Setting those restrictions on it's use would be in bad faith. When you call someone an incel, you're mocking them for their lack of sexual activity. That's the quote on quote shameful weakness your attacking them for. Men are valued and praised for being promiscuous, and derided for not being so. For women it's the other way. They are praised for celibacy and derided for promiscuity: hence the word slut. So, since incel is a targeted attack based on current norms, when we mirror that to the word…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 04:25 AM
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Calling men incels is the equivalent of calling women sluts. Would you condone the latter under it being "fair game?"
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 02:58 AM
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Flair checks out
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 02:57 AM
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I think I get what you're saying, and I agree. Conservatives and feminists alike view women as inherently "the prize" to be won by men by means such as so called rizz and other methods. The status quo that many buy into is that men must please women to access a relationship. Men's desires are negligible in such a system, and it's sad that so many of us have been roped into believing and buying into such a rigged game that inherently puts women on a pedestal. The good thing is that the only perso…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/25 04:52 PM
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I think the "just afraid of losing their privilege" argument arises out of ignorance, pure and simple. But perhaps, not ill intent. Maybe they genuinely don't understand why we can't support their movement as it operates currently. Why we feel isolated and ignored. They're so used to their perception of reality they can't imagine how it is to be someone else, and never really tried to. And why would they? Society has taught many women that they are supposed to be catered to, so why would they ca…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/01/25 05:44 PM
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I wouldn't say women are more subtle with their problematic behavior: just looking at statistics you'll find easily in this sub show that it's plain information for anyone to see. , I'd say, society turns a blind eye. More specifically, feminism and it's prominence in our current discourse, make men's negative behavior the sole focus, without ever thinking to even mention women's behavior. In fact, demonizing anyone who dares try, as if it's non-existent.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/01/25 04:26 PM
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I had access through my uni so here's a limewire link to the article PDF: link
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/25 03:24 PM
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Your comment is what I've observed again and again about this sub in relation to the feminist sub. For whatever reason, we seem more willing to check our own than they are. ofc we're not perfect, but we at least make an effort to tell people who go to far "hey, you're going to far." For the life of me I have never seen this done on the feminist sub, not even once. It's almost like they stifle and silence internal disagreements the same way they do external ones.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/25 03:21 PM
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Case in point: here
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/25 04:05 PM
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Their reaction is a common one, ironically similar to the incels they hate so much. But at the end of the day, as you said, there is truly no agenda. It's a classic phrase: hurt people hurt people. It takes a level of wisdom and maturity a lot of people don't have to look past their own grievances and truly realize the consequences of their actions. I'm glad you made this comment.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/12/24 10:41 PM
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Could you define patriarchy as it is widely used then please?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/12/24 06:20 AM
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Imma disagree with your last line. Women fought for their issues, and have brought attention to them. That's amazing, but now men's issues are the ones ignored and belittled, often by the same women who fought so hard for their own issues. That's what I have a problem with.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/12/24 06:19 AM
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Ha, when you're a man trying to support feminism, you often come across such slights. The very first one is the name of the movement, that implies a movement for women rather than one for fair treatment across genders. You might think the difference is minuscule, and that dudes should ignore it, but once again, it's the first of many slights to men in widely accepted terminology that I view as actively counterproductive. Some people who support feminism really do think it's just a women's club, …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/12/24 06:12 AM
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I think them saying that the patriarchy harms men too shows that they define it differently than you. If it was defined by them as "a system made for the benefit of men", they wouldn't be able to comfortably say that line. Instead, I think they picture the term to mean either "a system created by men in power" or "a system where men are currently in power, and stopping women from accessing it." The former, I might agree with, because men did historically have more power than women, whether that …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/12/24 06:05 AM
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Societal expectations tend to be a powerful force in the lives of every individual not making an effort to resist them, or not thinking critically enough to see how they hurt themself and others
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 01:44 PM
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If that's true, I'm glad that's been your experience, but it certainly hasn't been mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 02:25 AM
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Feminists don't even view you and your issues to be worth fighting for. They pretend men's issues don't exist, or put the onus on men to solve them, as if feminism was supposed to be a movement solely for women, instead of one to end patriarchy in general, since it hurts men and women. Worse, they mock men for even attempting to solve their own problems. or for pointing out how they've neglected half the population. That is, by definition, marginalization.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 07:58 PM
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Can you in good faith claim that the general attitude of mainstream feminism as practiced isn't one that is actively antagonistic towards men, often without reason? When, "I h*te all men" is an acceptable statement but "I h*te all women" is misogyny and being an incel? They fail to remember that patriarchal society harms everyone, and thus everyone should be welcome in the fight against it, and treat it as a "men vs women" thing. Are men supposed to feel welcome and respected in such spaces? Fem…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 07:41 PM
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