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I normally agree with your views on things, but I do think more women settle for men who they’re not physically attracted to because they don’t want to put in the same effort to look physically fit Most people are lazy, it’s not a gender-related issue Lots of people let themselves go after they’ve secured a relationship and settle for companionship over attraction
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 07:51 AM
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That’s just most people — they bump into you at different moments in life and see your achievements depending upon when during the slideshow they started watching, not necessarily the entire process of it happening If you used to be an unattractive kid and had a glow up, duh…they won’t see you for what you came from They also don’t see the day-to-day progression of things the way you would You can’t expect everyone to pay microscopic attention to your life The rest of your post aside…Tren is ama…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 07:31 AM
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I still live in LA
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 08:47 AM
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I just realized I’ve lived in 5 of those LA areas (the first 4 + Marina del Rey)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 03:16 AM
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I moved from a small town in the middle of nowhere to LA over a decade ago and it’s simply a different world I’m lucky in that I’m…not ugly…and apparently, I fit right in here in terms of visual appeal My approach to dating is that “there’s always another right swipe around the corner” so I tend to not delude myself into thinking a guy I find attractive won’t be talking to other women Even if I were a 9 or 10, I wouldn’t be the only 9 or 10 to come across a guy’s daily life here…so I just accept…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 03:09 AM
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The line is between an agreed upon exchange vs disagreement on the terms of the exchange It’s very simple Entitlement is when one party feels they are not receiving a fair exchange So for men the example is often “I spent money on her, I deserve sex with her” For women, it’s “I look attractive and give him my attention, I deserve his money” If the exchange is agreed upon by both parties, there’s no problem If there’s a disagreement on the exchange, then one party might feel entitled to fair comp…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 02:45 AM
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For the right guy, most of us could be horny 24/7
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 09:08 AM
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I haven’t experienced this, but I probably would be fine with it I’m pretty much horny nonstop The closest thing to an inverse issue involving myself would be a guy having performance issues — which happen and aren’t a big deal…guys have asked to watch or help me masturbate
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 09:06 AM
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It realistically comes down to what people offer that the other person who they’re interested in considers worthwhile in value If a super attractive 6’3” “Chad” millionaire with 6 pack abs is into plus sized women, he is able to determine what he values from said women…even if we — as observers from the outside — would be shocked at how “unfair” we might think it is If a 6’5” man wants a 5’2” woman, most of the time it’s agreed to be a “fair exchange” socially The thing is that many people overe…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 01:44 AM
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“Unconditional love” just legitimizes abuse All love should be conditional on giving love back Should we unconditionally love cheaters? Rapists? Serial killers? Abusers? It’s absurd and almost no one wants to deal with that (left it open for the masochists out there)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 05:43 PM
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Most people would probably choose the tree over a random stranger Wouldn’t woman vs parrot be a more translatable version of the bear situation? There’s a high likelihood that the parrot would repeat what was said to it Men should be allowed to cry or feel vulnerable without shame (assuming he’s being that with people close to him and not random strangers) — the idea that men have to be unfeeling statues is a toxic masculinity concept
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 03:23 AM
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We can also like a guy as a person + find him attractive, but not want anything to do with him beyond platonicy…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 02:17 AM
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Men generally understand attraction…just more often in a one-directional manner (towards women) They have a pretty bad time understanding how to be attractive, I’ll give you that The average man’s understanding of chemistry can go either way In my book, attraction is what you like about a person without needing to interact with them (height, appearance, job, hobbies, etc) — the “on paper” factors And chemistry is how well you get along while interacting with them (personalities, senses of humor,…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 01:08 PM
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It’s a thing where feet are connected to the vulva Kinda like how sometimes a point on your arm can shoot a tingle down your spine
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 08:59 PM
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I started dating entirely at 18 and it was all significantly older men Never felt taken advantage of or pressured into weird shit, but YMMV So I would say 25 +/-5 years based on maturity I still prefer older men, but the age gap preference shrank a bit I do find that the “half your age + 7” rule tends to be appropriate for most people…(even if it was rooted in misogyny) — which says 34 is the age you can date a 54 year old: the first age where a 20 year difference is “allowed”
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 07:50 PM
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Attraction is physical, visual, material, social preference — “I like finance bros / tall men / dog dads / men who are good cooks / etc” - these are all the things you like about someone that doesn’t require any interaction with them Chemistry is interpersonal (emotional, intellectual, spiritual) — “makes me laugh / shares my interests / listens to my needs / makes me feel good about myself / etc” - these are all the things you like about a person when you are interacting or dealing with them
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 07:27 PM
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It’s kinda in your own response We women tend to avoid those situations, while men either don’t really care or can’t due to needing to be places We’re more avoidant of bad situations in general An all girl’s trip usually isn’t to the seedy parts of town and we usually move as a group
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 09:36 PM
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Are you like…putting effort into your body? Or are you like…a blob monster or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 04:17 AM
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I think women should totally do this! That said, I have never met a guy I was so interested in to approach randomly or exchange number with or ask on a date I don’t drink, so don’t buy drinks I establish a free use rule after I shower, so initiation is up to a guy I’m already seeing Just because women should do this in theory doesn’t mean we find enough guys who we want to do this to
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 11:47 AM
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The whole point of “women & children first” was because before that, men would shove them out of the way and women & children would die more often
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 11:02 AM
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Attachment styles are actually pretty well accepted as a thing, it’s not a personality field so much as easily observed groupings based on your formative relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 10:52 AM
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Men will objectify women wearing an oversized hoodie and sweatpants even if she was wearing a mask because they might see the vague outline of boobs or hips or because the voice coming from vague sweater blob person isn’t deep and manly Objectification is not reliant upon someone objectifying themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 10:07 PM
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In simpler terms, there’s a difference between wanting to look attractive and wanting to look like a walking sex object Most people want to look attractive, but most don’t want to be reduced to their appearance It’s like the difference between a man wanting to look rich and wanting to look like a walking cash dispenser — the first one implies he has a positive quality, the second implies that his reason for existing is to give out money
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 10:04 PM
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Um…the whole point of objectification is that their personality doesn’t matter because you see them as an object / means to an end If you’re jerking it to someone you’ve never met…that’s seeing them as an object, not a person You guys are making an arbitrary distinction between objectifying someone before knowing them and objectifying someone after knowing them
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 09:57 PM
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So…the solution is for women to interact with men even less? Your premise is that women giving men a chance leads to them becoming cynical…because most of those experiences with men were bad choices (e.g. get played and dumped) The logical progression is for women to avoid men as much as possible since interacting with them leads to cynicism This really just says more about men than anything Especially when men resent women for NOT interacting with said men… Men are the common variable in both c…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 09:54 PM
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Uh, OP…I don’t think you understand that what you’re implying with this post is that the more that women are exposed to men, the more negative experiences they will have That just…highlights men as the common, troubling variable
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 09:47 PM
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I mean...a lot of us don't want to be approached or bothered by men We remove ourselves from situations we don't want to be in Men tell us all the time that it's our responsibility to minimize our negative outcomes
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 05:23 AM
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Women are half of society, the LGBT community is extremely vulnerable -- both groups you mentioned are historically victims of physical violence at the hand of groups in power It's like advocating for a "rich people" space and ignoring the whole point of said spaces is for the benefit of groups who had no power
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 05:20 AM
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I can’t say I’ve ever done this and I always go 50/50 or separate bills Don’t know of anyone doing this in my own personal life Men also like to complain about women not wanting to go on dates with them because said men aren’t attractive….
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/23 12:14 PM
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From what I know, if we have sex with a guy quickly or casually, we’ve determined that he doesn’t have any qualities that we are looking for from someone we want to date…if he’s hot, then it’s probably just all he has to offer Sometimes we just don’t want a relationship Guys just pay attention to the women who catch feelings when they have casual sex The women who just have casual sex and don’t get attached…probably never message that man again and he probably won’t really think of her either It…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/23 10:35 AM
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The solution is for women to have not have casual sex at all, fine This means we women should only give an opportunity for a relationship to top tier men — since we shouldn’t have sex outside of a relationship If we’re counting out not-top-tier men, it will inherently be lowering our possible chances at casual sex if we all collectively agreed to only have sex if we all barred said top tier men from casual sex — they would be forced to get into committed relationships since they would no longer …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/23 05:19 AM
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Um…it’s not the most unhinged I’ve ever seen, but it’s a pretty unhinged post history
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/23 05:08 AM
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You cannot genuinely love someone and cheat on them That’s not what love is I’m seeing now that men conflate deep attachment with love and now it makes sense Men don’t love women, they become deeply attached…there’s a difference
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/23 04:45 AM
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Ah yes, the classic “anything that men do is better than if women do it”
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/23 04:40 AM
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So basically men are sexual creatures and likely will cheat on us because they see it as justified and not at all lowering their investment in the relationship PLUS women are supposed to assume 100% of the responsibility for choosing bad men So basically we should pick better men, but even if we do, they will cheat on us The only real solution is to stay single and fuck only top % men because men are hormone slaves who will cheat I don’t understand why men are so upset about women being picky if…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/23 04:11 AM
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Your entire premise revolves around men never being emotionally invested in the affair partner and women always being emotionally invested in the affair partner It’s unsubstantiated because it asserts absolute behaviors If the idea is that men cheating is somehow not decreasing investment in the relationship, then men are simply not worth getting into a relationship with because the implication is that he is more likely to cheat because he will see it as justifiable
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/23 04:01 AM
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A man isn’t as invested in the relationship if he cheats, full stop
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/23 03:58 AM
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That’s called having your cake and eating it, too
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/23 03:56 AM
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It’s probably the same, because we don’t like most of our options
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/23 03:56 AM
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“I love her so much that I cheated on her” That’s literally not love
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/23 03:52 AM
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And yet men blame women for being “too picky” Men want us to bear 100% of responsibility for the men we pick but also want us to not be picky to give them access to sex If you’re going to uphold the idea that women should be more selective, I hope you’re not out here complaining about why women are picky
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/23 03:48 AM
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You can’t have it both ways yet here you are Either men are horny and slaves to their hormones and should be treated as a danger Or men are responsible for their own behavior and should not be given a free pass because “muh hormones makes me caveman brain and lusty”
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/23 03:45 AM
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“How is a man browsing porn to watch naked women in order to jerk off to a form of objectification? He isn’t there to get to know them or learn about their personality, he’s there to bust a nut” Sweetheart, that’s literally the definition of objectification — watching porn because they are tools / toys to get you off I think it’s fine that people watch porn…but it’s TEXTBOOK objectification
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/23 03:40 AM
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The main breadth of the sub is men complaining about women being too picky If it’s our responsibility to pick better men, men shouldn’t complain at all about how picky women are
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/23 03:35 AM
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I’m 5’3” and I don’t have a height preference for men other than “be my height or taller” I’ve been with very tall men 6’5”+ and men around my own height I’m dating a 5’9” guy right now because he’s got some better qualities than taller guys Height over 6’ isn’t a hard requirement for all women
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 08:54 PM
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That’s not true
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 08:50 PM
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Men are more prone to grand gestures and take romance to be a performative concept Women are more prone to stable gestures (like taking care of their partner) and take romance to be a dedicated concept It’s not that men are more romantic, they just do it it big grandiose bursts that get a lot more attention than women literally walking the walk of a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 07:57 PM
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I mean, yeah you would come across as desperate and lonely Again, your interest is based on physical appearance, which will never be anything more than insulting to most women unless you’re extremely attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 03:38 PM
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Cold approaching is advertising that your interest is purely based on physical attraction, which is the most unflattering thing to us if it’s from a total stranger
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 03:35 PM
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I follow rules 1 and 2, I get offers for commitment It doesn’t mean men are making it less obvious just how much they want sex just because they’re more willing to give commitment You’re insisting on a point that doesn’t reflect men’s behavior Being willing to give commitment does not magically make men less likely to express an interest in sex…if anything, they’re more willing to express an interest in sex because they assume the commitment offer leads to guaranteed sex
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 03:33 PM
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the possibility of physical violence or sexual assault — threat-risk assessment is always based on possibility, and dealing with men is like playing Russian roulette. Sure, it won’t be every pull of the trigger, but I don’t think most people would jump at the chance to play. Lots of men do not take “no” for an answer. Many men still believe that women are supposed to be subservient sex dispensers. It’s not as fringe as men claim. fuckboys — men want sex, this is well known…many men will lie and …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 07:31 AM
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Men say all the time that women who have sex with them are not dateable anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 07:14 AM
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How can a guy feel like an ATM in a consensual relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 07:04 AM
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It’s pressuring her after she said no
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 07:00 AM
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Men of all values will use women for sex, it’s not exclusive to men who can get lots of sex Fuckboys and Chads are not the same thing — they can overlap, but they can be mutually exclusive
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 06:59 AM
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We tell men all the time that the number is high and men refuse to believe it 60-80% is not an inaccurate estimation It’s FUCKING HIGH Men literally talk all the time about how they can’t get any dates and women talk about how we swear off men — the high amount of men just like that contribute to this Going out on dates DOES happen way less
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 06:55 AM
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I will agree with men that some women perpetuate the patriarchy by insisting that men are not allowed to have emotions because “those are for women” There’s always a trade off — women are allowed to express our emotions more, but we’re also dismissed and infantilized for it…it was literally one of the reasons we were kept out of higher education for hundreds of years
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 06:40 AM
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~90% of men will put sex on the table very early regardless of their “league” — because most men like sex and just because a man may actually want a relationship, it does not preclude him from putting it out there It’s really weird that you think there is a sizeable amount of men in the dating pool who aren’t just looking for sex The real answer is because even using men’s own Female Delusion Calculator, the market is extremely bleak for women: men between 24-54 who are not married + not obese +…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 06:36 AM
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A lot of men think women have access to tons of high quality men who just happen to not be Chads Even if you filtered out the Chads and any guy making over $100K, men overestimate how many quality men are out there It’s nowhere near as many as they suggest and it’s a slog to try sorting through them Again…discounting Chads and rich guys, finding a decent guy is ridiculously hard because most men are just looking for sex or don’t have nearly as good of personalities as they tell themselves Men ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 05:58 AM
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So “men can have opinions, but women aren’t allowed to also have opinions about the same things”
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 05:53 AM
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It’s kinda awful and I always go 50/50
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 05:52 AM
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Limited quality options for us on there Men just overestimate how many other men are quality
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 05:49 AM
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Sure does
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 05:43 AM
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I mean mine would be a childless and unmarried guy in shape who takes care of himself I wouldn’t date him because I’m assuming he would have the same education / knowledge and I am attracted to men who complement my skills & experiences He also would be too skinny and feminine looking for my taste It’s hard to do this based on the vague parameters
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 05:38 AM
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Bars are an acceptable place to do that in
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 03:06 AM
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What we mean is we’re not into men who only want to deal with us because they think they will get sex A cold approach is like a big neon sign saying “I only want to use your body for sex” which is why we only reciprocate if it’s a guy we also would only use for sex But somehow men are confused about this
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 11:41 PM
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I’ve never said anything like that in my life…I work my ass off to stay thin and hold onto my youth and I always go 50/50 because too many men try using money to guilt me into sex You’re trying to use a vocal group of women on social media to represent all women — especially since you specifically mentioned me
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 11:26 PM
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Let's see: - manipulation: especially guys who dangle a relationship in order to get access to sex (e.g. "fuckboys"), negging, and other PUA tactics that rely on being shitty...I appreciate honesty & being upfront because it makes it easy to not waste my time -- unfortunately, many men often get angry that I decline them when they are direct about just looking for sex...which perpetuates the cycle of men lying to get into women's panties - dehumanizing other people: this includes referring to wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 07:28 PM
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Nearly everyone wants someone attractive with a good personality Men will also frequently reject unattractive women with good personalities, so it's hypocritical to suggest women can't do the converse
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 07:21 PM
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This is not every woman About a week and a half ago, I was asked by a guy I'm dating to come along to a funeral / memorial service for his friend's mom (she basically helped raise him) I drove him for 2 hours and held his hand the whole time while he fought back tears to the church where it was being hosted He quietly sobbed for most of the night and fell asleep on me I'm still going to see him when he comes back from deployment Men have cried in my arms and it doesn't "give me the ick" or whate…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 06:40 PM
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I like snakes & worms (I dip into parasitology for work), and I let spiders be because they eat pests No one likes mosquitoes, though
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 06:13 PM
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More hostile? Technically it’s hostile for everyone Women have it better than before…but it’s still not good I doubt we ever will get there just because of how men are Even if there was a planet of all women and a planet of all men — both separate from Earth (which has both men and women)…the planet of all women would probably deal with constant invasion of men
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 08:47 PM
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What does Hamas have to do with this? Are you really spreading Zionism on a dating debate sub?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 08:42 PM
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I mean…are you very attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 11:46 AM
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Your analogy doesn’t work because men are not being inundated with emotional validation and just craving sex instead My statement is apt — we have access to a horrible waste of time and you guys are jealous of it because it’s a near guaranteed good time for you You can’t garner sympathy if you’re unsympathetic in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 11:26 AM
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I mean, I want to be pounded and creamed on a daily basis by a guy I’m dating…but I’ve never given a shit about his dick size unless it was too big It’s not fun to be stretched that much
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 08:35 AM
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I dunno why you think most women perpetuate this Men are the ones who make it their entire identity
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 08:28 AM
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They’re not very fun
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 08:26 AM
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Men are the ones who pervade the idea that bigger is better bigger tits, bigger ass, bigger dick, bigger muscles Yeah, it doesn’t matter and too big is a thing Men constantly use dick size as a contest and think about their penises way more than women do The only reasons most women bring it up is either because a guy is bad at sex Or because it’s an easy insult to crush a man’s ego — want to ruin a woman’s ego? Call her fat. Want to ruin a man’s ego? Say his dick is small. It’s more an easy low …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 07:37 AM
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I still cook and clean, yet somehow I keep running into men of all incomes who don’t do either
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 05:01 AM
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Most men are usually rude or disgusting in one-on-one conversations Men don’t see how other men talk to women in private
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 04:54 AM
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Lots of men blame them on us
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 04:52 AM
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Men value sex because it’s a near guaranteed orgasm Women don’t value sex because the vast majority of sex we have access to is shitty sex that will never feel good physically or emotionally Men don’t understand that their mentioning of our access to sex is just like saying “YOU LADIES ARE LUCKY BECAUSE YOU CAN HAVE AN ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE WASTE OF TIME WHENEVER YOU WANT!”
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 04:45 AM
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Men’s standards are higher if you actually listen to the complaints from men about how women don’t care about personality traits…meanwhile men have a laundry list of personality traits she must meet For women, our standards are higher for access to sex…we don’t want to fuck men we’re not attracted to and men make many attempts to pressure us for sex and then blame us for having sex with men we didn’t want to For men, their standards are higher for relationships as they will frequently spout out …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 04:35 AM
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I meet all of those, yet men can’t meet the bar so low it’s in hell And no, I’m not demanding 6’ or 6 figures or model looks Men just overestimate how many “good men” and underestimate how many shitty men are out there
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 04:20 AM
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And yet men spend a lot of time saying women should settle for men we’re not attracted to AND TREAT THEM AS IF THEY WERE CHADS
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 04:17 AM
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As a trans woman, I think I have the unique experience of seeing the world through two different experiences of one-on-one interactions in a dating setting Before my transition, I was a petite Asian femboy — usually either fetishized or marginalized and I survived the “no fems or Asians” 2010s era Within my niche of short, delicate, feminine features — I genetically lucked out in some ways When I would decline men’s advances, the negative experiences were rather rare and the vast majority of res…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 01:51 AM
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Most men aren’t trained to follow rules of engagement Also, this is a huge reason why I primarily date military guys
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 12:45 AM
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Because of religious taboos of suicide, usually
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 09:19 AM
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Men make fun of virgin men all the time WTF Hilarious that you act like men aren’t like that
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 12:01 PM
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We tell promiscuous men to fuck off all the time…and they complain about it to other men
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 11:58 AM
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Those aren’t really derogatory though…they’re more descriptors Even “cracker” for a white person isn’t derogatory because there’s no power behind it…it’s a forced attempt at an insult that fails Derogatory would be words that have a connotation that is ONLY negative What you listed are more neutral terms that people…might resent, I guess
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 11:54 AM
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Funny…that’s how feminism came about and men reaped what they sowed Women were the punching bag for most of human history…men can’t handle it for a few decades
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 11:49 AM
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Men still want women to be at fault no matter what Men will complain about not being mindreaders when it comes to women But also expect women to be mindreaders who KNOW that HE’S “a good guy” (which might not even be true) So if we vet a guy or are standoffish, we’re “oppressing” them for viewing them as predators But if the guy hurts us in some way, it’s our fault for not realizing they were predators It’s just a spicy new take on “women bad, men good, gimme access to you and gimme the Chad tre…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 11:44 AM
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Moderate conservatives have no problem casually saying racial slurs…all the time
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 11:35 AM
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That’s…still domestic violence You don’t need to be being hit by a committed partner for it to be domestic violence
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 11:32 AM
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You’re literally choosing to be obtuse Rich and poor are not the same group Nazis and Jews are not the same group Romans and not-Romans are not the same group You’re so close to getting it but you choose to be idiotic about it Oppression works by variables, not by generalities
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 11:29 AM
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But those aren’t your own group Oppression works by variables, not generalities For example, classically white men oppressed black men…stating that it’s men oppressing their own group when it’s very clearly divided by race…is you choosing to be obtuse
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 11:26 AM
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Plenty are out there if you look https://bmcbiol.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12915-019-0660-6 https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5108505/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3266803/ Dermatologists, anti aging specialists, etc already know that there’s a huge difference between skin that has been aged from intrinsic and extrinsic methods Extrinsic aging is absolutely preventable
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 03:15 PM
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Marriage is shown to be more beneficial to men than to women in terms of happiness The main benefit of marriage for women traditionally was finances, but men obviously know that’s not the case anymore with women more often having higher education (and yes, I mean STEM, BMF, etc. career clusters) I know it doesn’t apply to all women, but I’m Asian and reading about the horrible experience I’m supposed to have is funny…I’m going to look 21 for the next 300 years — given that I do massive amounts o…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 03:07 PM
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A proper skincare routine absolutely makes a difference Korea has perfected it as a science and has seen a massive difference between generations of older women before and after the skincare revolution
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 02:49 PM
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I have anecdotally been told by more than one woman who goes for dadbods that they “like men with some fluff because they won’t cheat” and I’ve had to hold my tongue Anyone can cheat, but I do suspect that some number of women who go for dadbods use this logic
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 08:56 PM
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The more directly linked variable is that men are more likely to be a perpetrator
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 08:51 PM
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I mean…some women want the princess treatment, sure Personally…when I say it, I just mean “don’t treat me like I’m going to give you sex at any point for any reason” And I do tell men that I go 50/50 and have offended men for not letting them pay for everything — because I work and am an adult and don’t need a man trying to use money to guilt me into…sex To the general public, I mean “pretty much ignore me and pretend I don’t exist unless it’s your job to assist me when I actually need help”
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 08:10 PM
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It’s more indicative that men perpetuate random violence more than women do
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 06:46 PM
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Lots of people who are fat / overweight / whatever are out there demanding people be attracted to them I’m 5’3” 135-140ish, lots of cardio, clean / low sugar diet, Asian, baby faced, strict skincare routine I constantly (on apps where you don’t need to match to chat) get approached by fat men who are very indignant that I’m not even going to consider them And I mean “guys who are the same thing as the women interviewed on the street on TikTok demanding perfect 10s while looking like a blob monst…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 06:34 PM
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He’s not ugly
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 06:24 PM
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The irony of acting repulsive while demanding women be partnered with you
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 06:23 PM
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I’m not even sure what you’re talking about
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 06:18 PM
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Boys / men were taught to be good people who are kind and were given advice on how to have a good relationship with a girl / woman Men see that this doesn’t get them laid whenever they want and they become resentful because they care more about being laid or getting interest from women than maintaining a healthy relationship It is labeled as bad advice because it doesn’t help them magically get laid or make women swoon over them It’s a disingenuous argument at best because most adults aren’t goi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 06:04 PM
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Not really Overweight women exist and that makes men seethe (I say this as a skinny girl)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 06:00 PM
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This isn’t really “society” (which is supposed to include women) This is “the patriarchy” (that feminists talk about) pressuring men to only express anger Women spend a lot of time avoiding angry men and looking for men who express other emotions
/r/ExRedPill19/10/23 05:10 PM
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Men often deflect and insist it’s always Chad who treats women poorly Average guys are DEFINITELY treating women poorly, too But many men perpetuate the notion that only attractive men are shitty and that average guys have better personalities by default Not true, but it makes them feel better about themselves I don’t ever seek commitment (though I get offers) and yet men I’m not interested in comittment with will get in my face about “this why [I’m] still single!” — not because I complained abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 06:09 PM
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We constantly address this point and men keep looping back to it as an excuse You already know that women have high standards of attractiveness…stop using it as a crutch You learned that it was high a while ago, why do you keep beating the dead horse?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 04:10 AM
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Oh look…another “let’s literally force women to do something for the benefit of men” comment again 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 04:07 AM
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blocked and reported /s because internet Anyway, when it comes to physical violence between the sexes, women have more reason to fear men than the other way around
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 06:39 PM
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It’s always been this way, women have just had to tolerate men to survive under subjugation
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 06:58 PM
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Sure, but then why would a guy approach a woman he’s never talked to and don’t know if she would accuse him of that if that’s his fear?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 06:57 PM
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There’s a HUGE difference between being able to deter other mean and jealousy / possessiveness
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 06:52 PM
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I mean…basic sense is that if you’re not hot, don’t be ugly inside, too It won’t necessarily “improve” your results, but it’s not going to hurt you as much as being a shitbag who is — once again — not attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 06:50 PM
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High attractiveness and morality are mutually exclusive You have have both or one or neither Don’t just dismiss attractive people as inherently lacking morals
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 01:15 PM
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People who have no experience tend to fantasize and romanticize about what they would do If you haven’t actually been in a relationship, you have no frame of reference for how to deal with it as an individual and not going off of impersonal advice that doesn’t exactly explain the interactions between yourself and who you’re with There’s always a difference between what people think they would do and what they actually do in a completely new situation
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 01:11 PM
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The more popular trope is a male fantasy of “flipping” lesbians This is nowhere near as popular for women as you make it out to be Women tend to be attracted to gay men because they take care of themselves…not because they’re attracted to them for being gay But women generally have a better understanding of consent than men do, so even if it were a common attraction…I doubt more than a small handful would even consider it
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 01:04 PM
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This isn’t as uncommon as you make it out to be We have a higher incidence of eating disorders than men do
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 11:55 AM
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And men create women who don’t want to deal with men…what’s your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 11:51 AM
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Well…yeah…we want men who keep other men away but pose no threat to us
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 11:42 AM
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They can and do overlap
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 11:41 AM
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No…men have just marketed anger as “not an emotion” and the rationality of diplomacy as “being a pussy” Women are more cognizant of things than men are — like social skills, physical danger, and relationship maintenance…if you want to talk about STEM, do realize that women’s achievements have been downplayed throughout history and we were kept out of higher education for most of our time as a species
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 11:36 AM
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Probably like 15%, but they’re FAR more likely to approach That’s why you hear about it a lot
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 05:46 AM
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If it’s dark and he’s not right in front of her, she doesn’t know anything about him, and she probably can’t even see what he looks like, so the “women think unattractive men are creepy” argument doesn’t apply here Creepy = sense of fear / danger Men want women to suspend our sense for danger when it’s convenient for their access to sex because some random dude we’ve never talked to thinks it’s appropriate to approach in the later hours out of nowhere with no other people around Men also blame w…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 01:36 AM
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Big yikes Just come right out and say “My access to sex is more important than women’s sense of safety” because we know that’s what you mean Survival instincts are the most basic thing any living creature should should have and yet you’re shaming women for caring about our own personal security I wouldn’t be surprised if you’re also the same guy saying that women should vet men and that we’re responsible for anything bad that a guy does since we “chose” him
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 01:18 AM
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“Creepy” has a subtext of threat / danger to it Like a creepy phone call at night or a creepy alleyway You have no danger / threat to you by women being scared of being raped
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 01:12 AM
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Not all of us care as much And depends on the type of guy she goes for If a woman likes prettyboys or the androgynous look, then yeah…face is all that matters If a woman likes rugged guys, the gym helps
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 08:51 PM
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OK…? People tend to tolerate bad behavior from more attractive people My point is that men understand it for tolerating attractive women with bad personalities, but they’re confused that women would tolerate attractive men with bad personalities The fact that you went off on a different tangent kinda confirms the last part of my previous comment…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 06:50 AM
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The exact converse happens with us and men dressed like slobs and expecting us to look flawless Not at all the same thing as what I was saying in my previous comment though
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 06:48 AM
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Guys on here really downplay the male ego and its problem with overestimation of things like risk, cost, or attractiveness Women tend to be held to higher standards of beauty than men — the body-positivity movements are a rejection of this social pressure The times are shifting now and men are falling behind in the “make yourself seem appealing” game because women no longer rely on men to survive on an individual (yes, men are needed on a societal) level The problem with this whole post is that …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 06:27 AM
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Men do this all the time “You’re fat / ugly anyway! I was just trying to fuck!” OK…and you’re reinforcing why it was correct of me to turn you down 🤷🏽‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 06:11 AM
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There was a whole thing on this sub a few weeks ago about Margot Robbie being mid
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 06:09 AM
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There’s no conspiracy, it’s just a crapshoot Most people overestimate their attractiveness, self-image, and how interesting they are Everyone’s problem is overcoming their own bias and Dunning-Krüger view of their own desirability The fact is that most people are just kinda mid Just kinda mid men crave being desired, but fail to accept that they’re just kinda mid and probably won’t be Just kinda mid women crave commitment from men who are above “just kinda mid” and probably won’t get it because …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 02:23 AM
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I do initiate…I just don’t find too many men I’m interested in enough to do so And on the other hand, too many men think me showing basic politeness is me being interested Dunno what you expect us to do on an individual level
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 02:15 AM
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Men absolutely treat women like property…it’s only a recent thing in human history where we aren’t Those things go away just as rapidly as freeing slaves ended racism and legalizing gay marriage ended homophobia
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 10:35 PM
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Men want to be treated like the fantasized version of themselves It’s why they all want to be treated with sex like they’re so attractive & irresistible and get the “Chad” treatment and resent when they aren’t seen as so physically irresistible that a woman wants to jump his bones all of the time But men also will settle into routine faster when women do things like help him out and take care of chores for him because he thinks it’s just how she is when she’s still in “trying to impress him mode…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 04:27 PM
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You really should read the part after that
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 04:20 PM
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This usually just translates to, “I’m not Chad, but treat me like I’m Chad when it comes to sex” As if men do the converse
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 04:18 PM
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Men exaggerate this a ton, though If I am attracted to a guy, it’s because I find him…attractive…I’m not sitting there waiting for other women to want him Generally, when other women want the same guy, it’s because we’re just confirming that he’s not a psycho or a something Men don’t value relationships as much, so they won’t understand that we sometimes look and see if he has had long committed relationships or if he just has a bunch of flings…men tell us we’re responsible for vetting men, but …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 03:53 PM
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Yeah, compared to the physically exact same guy with a better attitude and habits The nice version of him is more attractive Men will say the exact same thing about women “she’s hot, but her personality isn’t cute” But be so confused about the male version of that
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 03:50 PM
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Even if our selection of men has expanded, people are still going to be limited by income and geography Again, it’s only to the detriment of undesirable men
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 09:42 AM
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You being insulted is not them insulting you There’s nuance If you want to go with that logic of people are allowed to be insulted, she was probably insulted first that you even tried Does that make her justified that you insulted her by talking to her? No Same way you wouldn’t be justified by being insulted by her reaction
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 07:04 AM
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Exactly! You’re the type of guy I go for but other women always ask me, “aren’t you scared?” Of what? They’re (you’re) harmless unless facing actual danger I’m 5’3” and a skinny Asian, so yeah, it’s nice having basically a personal bodyguard
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 07:02 AM
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Cheetahs are extremely skittish and won’t pursue prey that puts up a fight
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 06:59 AM
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Do you ever worry about what would happen if someone could overpower both of you? I go for the complete opposite types of guys from you, so I’m fascinated
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 06:57 AM
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Really big guys spend A LOT OF TIME trying to establish that they’re not going to hurt me As a 5’3” Asian woman under 140 lbs, my experience is that average guys are usually the wildcard with a chip on their shoulder because they don’t feel masculine enough and act like abusive assholes out of insecurity
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 06:55 AM
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Height & strength being correlated is a lizard brain bias and not a logical conclusion
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 06:53 AM
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I specifically go for bigger, stronger men who have no intent on hurting me and can protect me from men who would hurt me It’s just hard knowing who is genuinely protecc & attacc goodness boi versus a wolf in sheep’s clothing I’m a rare breed because I care more about finding a protector than a provider Most men are not really capable of being a protector to a significant degree and largely rely on their presence as a deterrent…but when shit goes down, most people don’t know how to handle a situ…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 06:48 AM
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Men complain on this sub all the time that women should be giving less attractive men a chance Men have made posts on here saying that women “of equal attractiveness” (but never delving into who is determining what is equal) should be paired up with men of her level These are not as fringe sentiments as you suggest
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 06:41 AM
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Men literally do the same thing all of the time
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 06:37 AM
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Who is deciding that they’re on the same level of attraction? You’re really just saying that you’ve decided that a man is a 5 and a woman who has been decided by you to be a 5 should just “average pussy unlocked” for him? This is not how anything works
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 06:36 AM
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I don’t get the point of bringing this up She’s not going to get those men, so what?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 06:33 AM
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Yeah, but that wasn’t the point of their comment
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 06:30 AM
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No, if anything, they’re pointing out the weird limitations & outdated stereotypes imposed on women No different than declaring women are supposed to have 2 kids and someone saying that women don’t need to have kids And then someone like you coming along and saying “but I have 2 kids” You’re missing the point
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 06:30 AM
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Some of those are nice, some are personally a yikes for me Weird specifics that you want all women to go for
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 06:28 AM
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I like this take I just think that most people — men and women — think their physical attractiveness is more acceptable than it is in reality
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 06:27 AM
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It’s weird to see you not have an unhinged take
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 06:23 AM
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I laughed way too hard at this
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 06:20 AM
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“Eww” isn’t an insult, it’s a reaction
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 06:19 AM
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We really try to ignore them most of the time It’s only when those men won’t take no for an answer that we have any dislike for them enough to insult them Women on social media want attention and get attention by having poor behavior..it’s not representative of women
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 06:18 AM
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“No fems, fats, or Asians” was a common gay dating phrase late 2000 — mid 2010s Black and Asian men face high amounts of discrimination in the gay community
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 06:16 AM
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It was an analogy
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 06:10 AM
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Men keep repeating this over and over saying they were lied to And then there’s a million posts where women reply saying how looks actually do matter And those same men are like “wow, I can’t believe women keep perpetuating the lie!” OK…it was a lie, you [men] learned it was a lie a while ago Why are you [men] STILL bitching about it? It’s no different than women who complain that hot men won’t commit…we also think they should shut up about it and it’s going nowhere to keep bitching about it
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 06:04 AM
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Looks matter Looks have always mattered Where are these women saying looks don’t matter? It always seems to be “one woman told me looks don’t matter and she speaks for all women!”
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 05:54 AM
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Both men and women tolerate bad behavior from people who are attractive Men just see this and think “women like jerks!” When it’s women like hot men, but they frequently get away with bad behavior and it reinforces them acting like jerks Women aren’t out here complaining about the hot guys who’re nice and want commitment
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 05:47 AM
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So…men don’t want to live like put-together adults and want to live super minimalist? OK…and? I don’t get the point of this post… Men aren’t enjoying modern dating…so what? Die alone on your floor mattress because you gave up, I guess What else is there to say? All you’re doing is saying that men don’t try…which is the complaint
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 05:37 AM
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While I agree with your post, you’re not really saying much This has always been how it is…top tier men have always had their pick of the litter OLD just made it more accessible for everyone It hasn’t changed the formula much…men who relied on women not meeting their ideal men no longer are able to pressure women for relationships they don’t want…just to survive
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 05:14 AM
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Physically, men have higher muscle content and lower fat content Women have higher fat content and lower muscle content Assuming heteronormativity, women will be predisposed to finding lower fat content attractive Men will be predisposed to tolerating a higher fat content The things you all mentioned — humor & cooking — are often taken up by men who have an attractiveness disadvantage…to limit their disadvantage So a fat guy who is funny & cooks won’t be as attractive as an attractive guy who is…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 11:02 PM
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Your response is either willfully disingenuous or ignorant It relies on me having access to specific quotes at the ready Instead of searching for those comments to gain a more objective viewpoint for yourself, you place the burden of proof on me — knowing that a debate forum has too many barriers to citations and the possibility of people editing their comments to appear more innocent Enough people have witnessed it and the “proof” is limited by search engine saturation and poor optimization
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 10:53 PM
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Topic 1: Men tend to blame women for problems created by men “Chad” hooks up with women below his “SMV@ and those women realize they can have a more attractive man - instead of other men blaming Chad for raising women’s expectations, men blame women for having sex with him Men who are abusive / violent towards women, encourage us to be wary of men - men react by blaming us for not vetting abusive men…but also then are resentful that we are so cautious and value our physical safety more than thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 10:04 AM
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I think that was one of my comments…not sure why it’s shocking, though
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 09:33 AM
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Literal “it’s always the victim’s fault” logic
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 09:31 AM
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r/whenwomenrefuse It’s basically playing Russian roulette every time we talk to an unfamiliar man We live in a world where people could stalk or shoot you just for looking at them Men tend to be less risk-averse than women
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 09:26 AM
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No one is entitled to a relationship No matter how much anyone wants something doesn’t mean it will happen The same logic than men apply to unattractive women wanting an attractive man to commit is the same logic that men should apply to themselves finding someone — it might happen, it might not, no one deserves it because they want it
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 06:41 AM
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And how are you tallying how many women are lower quality who are complaining versus higher quality who also are?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 05:02 AM
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“Chads” out of those women’s league are the ones reinforcing this delusion, yet men never really go after the Chads at all Chads are poisoning the well, but men only ever direct their anger over this topic at women
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 05:00 AM
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So what’s the solution? Because all you’re insinuating is to force women to pair up with men who women don’t want Your premise relies on men being the ultimate decision-makers of who they think should be paired up with “She’s a 3 and he’s a 3, so she should open her legs for him because I’ve decided that they’re in the same league” — is really what you’re hinting at Forcing people to stay in “their own league” is as indistinguishable from “maybe if we ‘convince’ women into wanting men who other …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 04:50 AM
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The point is to tell them to shut the fuck up and stop complaining about problems that they made for themselves OP quite literally says women should shut the fuck up The premise is tainted with the thing you’re criticizing
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 04:43 AM
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Guys have said in this sub many times that women should be paired up with men against our will It’s not as rare or as fringe as you suspect
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 04:38 AM
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This usually isn’t extended to women
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 04:32 AM
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The bowl of strawberries is no different than a Russian roulette game in relation to men Men just refuse to acknowledge that women don’t enjoy taking risks to pull that trigger Claiming that I need to speak from authority for women is just being disingenuous about the argument…you should just come out and say “women aren’t allowed to say anything” at that point
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 10:01 PM
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“Removing” is eliminating it as a factor You’re talking about lowering a rate of something You’re sealioning
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 09:58 PM
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You have a bad faith argument
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 09:53 PM
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5’3” & 140 lbs is 24.8 BMI…which is under 25 MBI 25+ BMI is Overweight
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 09:53 PM
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“Men shouldn’t have to adapt!” is basically all you’re saying
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 09:43 PM
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“Literally the father of incels” is a title related to incels as a group “Literally a father of incels” is a description of having incel offspring
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 09:39 PM
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Men don’t outright say that exact phrase, but we know what they mean because they don’t exactly hide it…they’ll just say it “tactfully”
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 09:36 PM
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Men feel attacked when desirable women don’t want to sleep with them And I mean women like me — 5’3”, “slim thicc” (size 6/8), 140 lbs, under 25 (overweight) BMI, young, (South)Eastern Asian I could be as completely neutral as possible and men will be furious that I don’t reciprocate their interest Men get mad no matter how politely I let them down easy I don’t demand 6/6/6, always go 50/50, and don’t sleep around — yet still 99% of men don’t interest me We call out their horrific behavior when …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 09:33 PM
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Condescending, arrogant, and unqualified was literally Trump’s entire platform
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 08:51 PM
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It’s probably more that it’s easier for women to do it out of the sheer amount of awful experiences with men Some of us get bitter, some of us get apathetic to it But the fact stands that so many women have bad experiences with men that are more than just “oh, he was really annoying” or “oh, he was always argumentative” — as in straight up abuse, cheating, rape, etc Our interactions with men are more outright negative versus men’s interactions with women being more outright avoidant Or put simpl…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 11:06 AM
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I think 1 has more to do with the distribution of attractive men 2 is not a great thing, it’s mostly annoying…like leave us alone Men could totally get 3 from hobbies like playing a sport
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 10:54 AM
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They don’t “love” women…they want to possess women
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 10:48 AM
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I’m 5’3” and 135-140 lbs, which is under 25 (Overweight) BMI and I’m not exclusively attracted to tall men …do I just…not exist anymore? Schrödinger’s woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 09:00 AM
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Attraction & personality are different dimensions I use “unattractive” for the physical I use “creepy, weirdo, stalker” for the personal Also, I keep seeing comments about men insisting that women still think attractiveness doesn’t matter…it does…I dunno why this keeps being brought up
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 11:05 PM
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Ah yes, the classic “men having lots of sex is good, but women do the same thing and she’s bad” It literally takes 2 to tango And then men get mad we don’t want to sleep with them
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 10:49 PM
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It’s the “temporarily embarrassed millionaire” situation Men idolize Chad and want to be him, but refuse to blame his part in the issues non-Chads face with women in the hope it happens to them at some point Men view women as disposable, limited use objects — look at the terms like “used up” and “ran through” Men will pressure us for this use and then immediately dispose of us afterwards…and then they wonder why most of us don’t have a positive opinion of men Men resent us for being objects who …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 10:45 PM
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Men will literally not want to date women who have casual sex and want to marry the women who have low N counts It’s literally “If I have sex with you quickly, I don’t see you as relationship material. But if I take it slow with you, I will consider you for a relationship” — FOR BOTH MEN AND WOMEN Why are you expecting the converse to be different? If men really think “she should give me sex early if she wants me around” why do men not want to keep women around who have sex with them early? Wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 02:32 PM
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Those are weird specifics Do you have any studies pitting guys who buy flowers against abusers?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 02:27 PM
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General observations, but: Women who are actually misandrist (meaning ALL men, not just “unattractive men” or “not-rich men or “cheating / lying men”) have a of majority complaints of men doing things against women Men who are actually misogynistic (meaning ALL women, not just “manipulative women” or “slutty women” or “cruel women”) have a majority of complaints of women not doing what men want
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 02:24 PM
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Men are still more the perpetrators of violence Looking at victims is a disingenuous measure
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 02:16 PM
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When it comes down to it, men are mad that we value our lives more than their access to sex
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 02:13 PM
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That’s just ignoring the entire situation Men generally aren’t going to make a video analogy about why women should avoid men It’s only a woman making the video because women are going to care more about the topic of women’s sense of safety more than men will Men are just mad that we care about our lives more than your access to orgasms
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 02:12 PM
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Not really, because it’s not removing racial bias You might have a case if they were ONLY ever victimized by POC in their entire life — even as small as being made fun of, laughed at, etc But men v women, it’s cut and dry because it’s so broad
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 02:07 PM
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We’re not going to start risking our lives even more just because men want to orgasm
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 02:03 PM
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I’m 5’3” 140 lbs and have had horrible experiences with men in public who’ve been interested in me — yes, violence Men are NOT happy because they feel “lied to” and it justifies their outrage at me for checks notes “looking feminine in public” In the US alone, in 2021 we averaged over one murder a day There aren’t many of us to begin with A lot of us face prejudice in careers and housing, causing a lot to turn to prostitution — no different than openly gay men pre Stonewall era I do not give men…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 01:07 AM
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r/wgtow r/happysinglewomen r/singlewomenbychoice
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 07:41 PM
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I’m always interested in these posts because I’m trans and my literal only option is OLD since it’s the only way I can grant men informed consent before they interact with me I would love to have the avenues that many people take for granted Meeting in public is completely unviable for me and so I work with what I’ve got…I’m curious as to why these men don’t exercise their options
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 07:11 PM
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Guys get bored of that so fast It’s not uncommon In a lot of off my chest type of posts, I’ve frequently seen “I would cheat on my insane hot girlfriend with swamp creatures” (granted this specific one is about Tren, but I simply can’t link all of them without sufficient keywords to find the comments)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 07:54 AM
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Those things aren’t intrinsically tied together at all The capacity for protecting and the capacity for malice are mutually exclusive Plenty of weak guys out there who are predatory Plenty of strong guys out there who are harmless to women A human’s predatory drive is more indicative of abuse than physical prowess
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 07:52 AM
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Fuckboy ≠ Chad A fuckboy is a guy who pretends to want a relationship for access to sex If we fuck him, he doesn’t want the relationship If we don’t fuck him, he acts as if he wants the relationship until he gets access to sex
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 07:39 AM
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My ex’s sister is a complete fucking psycho and she would hit him (a big guy) and then run and tell people that he was abusive I stepped in between them once and told her to try it while I recorded her on my phone She later framed him by hurting herself Total piece of shit woman
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 10:29 PM
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Men want to have casual sex But they don’t want relationships with the women they have casual sex with And then they demand women with low N-counts and attractive looks And they get really vocally angry that women with low N-counts and attractive looks don’t want them for relationships It’s just a lot of men not happy that they can’t have their cake and eat it, too
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 10:26 PM
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I mean…do we really need a post on “don’t bother people who don’t want to be bothered”? Men definitely want attractive women to approach them and for unattractive women to leave them alone… But are livid if women want the converse
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 06:26 PM
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Oh thank god
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 06:09 PM
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So…go gay?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 06:09 PM
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Probably because men’s struggles were the forefront for thousands of years, but we shift to women’s struggles for about 100 and men lose their shit over not being the center of attention
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 06:01 PM
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That’s a really weird assumption to project onto a stranger Do I want anything to do with an unattractive autistic guy? No Do I want anything to do with an unattractive criminal? No Them being autistic or criminal has nothing do with anything Would I want anything to do with an autistic guy I find attractive? Possibly, depends on how it affects him and his social interactions Would I want anything to do with a criminal guy who I find attractive? Possibly…depends on if he’s actively doing crime o…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 05:47 PM
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Yeah, and? If he’s going after robots, he might as well be a guy who dates a specific race that I’m not or a gay guy I’m out of his target demographic at that point so why would I give a shit?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 05:41 PM
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CBRN I do miss the ER, I called it the “Knife & Gun Club” But yeah, burnout can happen quick…some things also can’t be burned out of your mind — I will randomly think of one guy who came in with a neck injury and had a seizure after adjusting his neck brace and cleaved his own cervical vertebrae off of the spinal column Died instantly
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 08:56 AM
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I literally got fucked by a hot guy on Tuesday who is trying to take me out for dinner this weekend…but OK
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 08:55 AM
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It’s weird that you insist that it’s selfless and just more seems obvious that you’re…trolling
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 08:54 AM
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Sure but plenty is not a quantifiable amount
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 08:52 AM
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Men literally already complain about women holding out hope for a Chad This app won’t break our spirit…it would have the opposite effect We would be trying harder to avoid average guys and putting more effort into actively seeking out a Chad
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 08:50 AM
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And? It would be a good experience for men and women on the app because everyone else would be pushed out 🤷🏽‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 08:48 AM
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What YOU consider comparable attractiveness is not what women consider comparable attractiveness
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 08:48 AM
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You’re asking why I have an issue with men insisting that they should have access to women who don’t want them?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 08:44 AM
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Men like to think this, but I literally date SOF Most men would fare better than women on average, but it’s a male fantasy for most men to think that they can mount a defense of the homeland with a plucky band of freedom fighters like themselves The reality of an actual collapse of is that there would be a lot of marauders, most men would not be in positions of power, and women would be a hot commodity
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 08:42 AM
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Depends on what you’re calling misandry A lot of guys will call heightism misandry, which it isn’t, since it’s not applicable to all men Misogyny is absolutely responsible for sexual violence against women
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 08:39 AM
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I’ve dated a lot of SOF (“special forces”) and EP/CP (executive/close protection…or “pro bodyguards”) and yes, all of the time My first boyfriend when I was 18 an Army Ranger and a man broke into my boyfriend’s house — it was actually on the local news in Los Angeles (just a home invasion piece) I heard a noise and being a light sleeper, I woke up and got him up and told him I heard someone downstairs He told me to call 911, locked me in the bedroom, and went downstairs I called the police, gave…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 07:51 AM
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So you’re saying it will be a paradise for low libido women who would rather be single and not date at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 07:37 AM
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Is being single supposed to be some kind of death sentence?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 07:24 AM
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We’re not going to be interested in guys who want robots over women They’re not even considered at that point
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 07:20 AM
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Men lose value if they’re going for AI girlfriends No different than a man coming out as gay is no longer seen as a sexual possibility for women
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 07:19 AM
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Why would we be threatened?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 07:17 AM
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I mean…don’t men vocally say that prostitutes are undateable? Her N count would be through the roof at that price If anything, it would just keep sex obsessed men who can’t get it without paying from bothering us I see this as a win
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 07:15 AM
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I don’t care about passport bros in theory A lot just seem to be exploiting women and abusing them…that’s the part I don’t like But if they’re finding love abroad and it’s a mutual agreement…who the fuck cares? Most of women’s complaints seem to be about the exploitation and abuse The guys who brag about going passport bro are simply inviting women to comment about it Shut up about it, don’t exploit anyone and we’re good
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 07:09 AM
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I support it because it would be the guys who I don’t have any interest in who go for them If he wants an AI girlfriend, I don’t want him…there’s no conflict of interest If he’s an average guy who just wants sex, GREAT! Now he can have all the sex he wants! If he’s a guy who wants a connection with the real thing, this would make it easier for women to see him because he’s not going for the sex bots — I see this as a win for those guys If the Chaddiest of Chads is super into AI fembots…I might b…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 06:54 AM
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If a guy is preferring luxury models of AI sex bots, I don’t think most women would consider him high class anymore He would just be “that weird guy who spends too much money on robots” and at that point might as well be nonexistent to women I get that you want a revenge fantasy, but it’s not how that works…like…once women know a guy is gay (meaning no possibility for sex with women), they usually stop caring about him or get overly involved in his romances and root for him There’s no version of…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 06:44 AM
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I’m one who she’s speaking for Any time this is brought up, the women I know don’t give a shit The only time I cared was the hot bodybuilder who married his life sized doll…that one made me just a little sad
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 06:37 AM
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If men just think of us as objects, then it makes sense why we only go for the most attractive men and you should absolutely behind women’s choice to only choose the Chads
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 06:35 AM
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It’s clear that the advice you seek is how to exploit women and be a selfish prick
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 06:18 AM
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The best advice for dating women is by talking to men who have managed to secure relationships with women of that specific type “Specific type” refers to “athletic women” or “artsy women” or “goth women” or “outdoorsy women” et cetera Men (who are already dating the specific women) have better advice about what to do to make those women interested because it is more personal Women have better advice about what to NOT do because that is more universal It also depends on the advice…a lot of men wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 06:05 AM
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Kinda
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 05:10 AM
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Men’s struggles in the sexual marketplace - lack of sex - being lonely Women’s struggles in the sexual marketplace - rape - murder - misogyny Men have straight up frequently said they want to enslave women…it’s not as fringe as you suggest
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 02:35 AM
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You don’t have to…just don’t hope for women to be interested then
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 02:13 AM
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Some women need to STFU also 🤷🏽‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 02:11 AM
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Men conflate many things as “treating men as an evil hegemonic entity” We don’t want to talk to men - “Women not interacting with me is ruining my mental health! My loneliness is their fault!” We don’t want to have sex with men - “Women are holding sex above us! It’s all about control!” We have to be on guard around unfamiliar men - “Women are making ME personally responsible for every awful man in existence!” Yes, unattractive women demanding attractive men are completely self-unaware…other wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 01:56 AM
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These men exist in larger numbers than you’re willing to admit Which only contributes to the problem
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 01:41 AM
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A small number of men have raped & killed women enough that we have to be on guard Either way you slice it, men are the main perpetrators of rape, so it is a reasonable survival tactic to assume most men are capable of rape (because people are capable of many things) Many men’s responses to the issue are frequently along the lines of “yeah, whatever, I’m not a rapist and I don’t have an effect on if you get raped or not, stop being afraid of men and give me sex! Me not getting sex is as importan…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 01:38 AM
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We don’t have a problem saying that we’re picky Men just say “women should lower their standards so more men like me can get sex (or dates)!” or “all of my dating problems should be solved by women giving me access to them!” which is what we have an issue with
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 01:31 AM
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We vet those men Random guys on the street? We don’t have that luxury They are not immediately contradictory ideas
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 01:27 AM
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They’re like roughly 40% of my dating inbox
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 11:36 PM
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It happens frequently How many of us have to tell you this before you believe us? Trick question, it doesn’t matter to you
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 11:35 PM
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A more apt analogy would be a weak, physically ungifted woman saying she really wants to play professional sports to a naturally very athletic man The man would be talking about how much he doesn’t really care about sports even though people always try to get him to play on their teams And he rarely ever finds any sports he actually wants to play The woman would be pointing out how easy it is for him to be accepted onto a team while explaining how many times she tries out and never gets picked T…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 11:13 PM
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Women Ask for Raises as Often as Men, but Are Less Likely to Get Them by Harvard Business Review Women and men ask for raises the same amount. You can probably guess who gets them more often by Fortune Edit: it’s clear that no one is reading the articles and are making up points
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 07:52 PM
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Women improve all of the time — better clothes, makeup, diet, gym All of that in addition to working and going to school Women also actively maintain social networks
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 07:46 PM
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This sounds just as bad as meeting IRL Being single sounds less of a headache
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 12:55 PM
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It would be better if only the top rated men equal to the amount of women were allowed to message This way men aren’t excluded Women could still rate men who can’t message and any man significantly rated higher would bump out the lowest guy currently in the male pool Say 300 men sign up and 100 women sign up The top 100 men get messaging privileges, but the other 200 men get ranked and would be visible for ratings by women So if say 50 more women sign up, then the top 150 men (50 from the other …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 12:51 PM
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This sounds awful, being alone altogether sounds better than this
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 12:46 PM
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Ah yes, the classic “unattractive / average women should not expect to find attractive men — but attractive women should date unattractive / average men because we men want youth and beauty!”
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 12:41 PM
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Algorithms don’t stop creeps from getting onto the app in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 12:37 PM
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This would actually make it better for women, though If everyone on the app is good looking, then everyone on the app is going to be happy — men AND women
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 12:36 PM
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I was actually thinking this same thing Make sure all the women are above a threshold of attractiveness Basically, require men and women to be above a certain swipe amount per people who’ve viewed their profiles to remain on the app The top whatever percent men and women would remain
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 12:34 PM
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I would make the app designed where people go on dates and they leave honest reviews about the guy / girl they went on a date with - appearance - attractiveness - personality - conversation - etc. Basically, Yelp for dating All users would have to verify their age, height, weight, waist size, job, and income bracket This way, no one can lie in their descriptions and how they act and present themselves will be judged by other people and not themselves You won’t be able to pump yourself up, which …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 12:27 PM
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It would be worse for most men, actually
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 12:22 PM
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We would just be even more choosy because it’s harder to meet a guy we like and social media reminds us that he’s out there We would be ignoring more men since we would have less time to waste If I’m not able to see if a guy is law enforcement or a finance bro before I ever talk to him (so I can avoid him) I would default to holding out for the hottest man I can run into — which is supposedly a good thing since men value women who don’t have sex often
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 12:19 PM
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This isn’t really how it works We complain about dating apps because meeting a guy we like is hard It’s not that easy and we often stop using them out of sheer frustration
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 12:16 PM
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This sounds awful The whole point of OLD is so I don’t have to go through the crapshoot of not knowing anything about whatever random man approaches me on the street Like I would want to know if he’s law enforcement or a finance bro so I can never talk to him at all…can’t do that in real life because I would have to talk to him first This just would make women give up altogether If I’m forced to talk to one guy at a time…that just slows the process down way too much It would be a good idea if yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 11:59 AM
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But what you mean by “hyperinflation”?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 11:55 AM
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If it includes social media under the influencer part, then it would absolutely affect everything from short man shaming videos to ick lists
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 11:54 AM
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Would you want to have all the sex you want at any time if it meant that people 100% wanted nothing to do with you after the sex is over? From the way it sounds, men would make that trade in a heartbeat
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 11:48 AM
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Not really, you just said it yourself after getting enough sex You even explain that the other stuff is quite literally secondary
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 11:45 AM
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Super common — someone else made a post about this just a few hours ago
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 11:42 AM
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No, I’m just pointing out how many men are dishonest about wanting a relationship when they really mean they want sex but have to lie to get it
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 11:42 AM
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Fastidious? Facetious?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 11:40 AM
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Lesbians don’t really do a lot of meaningless sex
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 11:38 AM
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It’s a thought experiment
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 11:35 AM
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You would be spending A LOT of time It would be a full time job every day no weekends off if you wanted to do that
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 11:34 AM
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This is why I don’t listen to what men say They say they want relationships, but they really just want sex They hate when women have casual sex with attractive men because the rest have to use the façade of wanting a relationship to gain access to sex Men’s actions show that women’s bodies are the only thing they want us for, and they use pressure to get us into relationships as a way to give themselves access to sex
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 11:23 AM
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Men see having early sex as a reward and having sex later as a punishment They see attractive men get sex quickly and think that they’re not worth it if they’re not getting sex faster Which in reality, usually the opposite is true Most women I know, myself included, will have sex with attractive men who we have no interest in anything more than sex But sex is the goal for men, so it doesn’t matter how undateable that guy is…he got sex early Men will have sex with women quickly and then view them…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 10:34 AM
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Not really Men who get sex easily are the same for us as women who put out are to men — undateable Early sex just means that’s all a man is good for Men just see it as a punishment to not have sex early
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 10:28 AM
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If a guy gets sex right away, it’s usually because that’s all we’ve determined he’s good for…just as a dildo Men just see it as a punishment because sex is the ultimate goal for men Men would be fine if we didn’t want anything to do with them other than just have sex…kinda seems like the only thing men see women as — sex dispensers
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 10:25 AM
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I can’t really see any pros for B…he just seems laughably worse in every area
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 08:43 AM
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A either either…I know some women would like A and some who would like B B…most of his stuff literally doesn’t make me interested, particularly difference 5 Yes No Basically, A seems better in every category
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 08:41 AM
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That’s not really a “dating issue” and more a casual sex issue — they’re related, sure…but casual sex is a broader scope because it can be sex without dating at all
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 07:27 AM
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I don’t know if that is toxic femininity because anyone can get plastic surgery I would say toxic femininity is stuff like weaponizing kids during a divorce or false rape accusations or the ick videos on social media
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 07:24 AM
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Absolutely would date bi men, and I have — as long as he’s a top I’m not attracted to women, so I wouldn’t date a bi woman
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 07:23 AM
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I’ve been a nurse (ER / ICU…completely different beasts) and am in STEM (generally male dominated) and I frequently wear full body PPE & PAPR…similar to military MOPP1 — in fact, I frequently work with military because my training is more specialized than theirs So I mean…some of us already do
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 05:30 AM
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I would love to have zero attention from men sign me the fuck up It’s lots of attention from creeps MOST of the time You say that as if women have not been saying it’s better to stay single
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 03:47 AM
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It’s more like the applicant doesn’t have anything relevant to the position and keeps bothering managers who tell them that they don’t meet the criteria at all It’s an applicant just wasting his time and then being upset that he can’t get hired for the thing he refuses to accept isn’t relevant
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 03:16 AM
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I learned my lesson about complimenting men Don’t fucking do it because they think it’s sexual interest
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 03:14 AM
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So why aren’t more straight men going to gay areas to receive sexual interest from gay men? Won’t that solve the problem? If you say it’s because straight men don’t want to have sex with gay men…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 02:59 AM
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You want to be wanted by people you’re not attracted to or interested in at all? Constantly bothered and followed by people you have to say “No” to repeatedly? Why not just sit on Grindr?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 02:38 AM
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You want to be wanted by people you’re not attracted to or interested in at all? Constantly bothered and followed by people you have to say “No” to repeatedly? Why not just sit on Grindr?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 02:38 AM
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Muscles demonstrate effort A guy who was born tall or handsome or with a big dick or into money is most of the time just going to coast by on things he did nothing to deserve Some of us go for those, but some of us avoid the type of men who’ve never had to work for anything Those guys are mostly going to be lazy and get fat and just let themselves go as they age…which isn’t my cup of tea The ones who stay looking good are usually celebrities because they have an image to maintain and have the mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 12:33 PM
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She’s going to ask if he was married and probably talk to his friends He lied — grounds for divorce on that alone If she can’t interact with his friends, that’s a bad sign And if they’re complicit with his lies, it’s also right for her to GTFO Also, not having the fancy, expensive stuff makes it easier to cut and run since there won’t be amazing memories and financial investment pressuring her to stay
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 02:36 AM
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This is a really weird premise because it relies on a woman getting married before vetting the man If the point is that women go above and beyond for men who are attractive and men would want to be treated like the attractive guy…it would stand to reason that women would not be want to go above and beyond for men who are no longer living up to most of the basic things This post might as well be “women who aren’t picky and selective, why are you now miserable after being married?” All this post d…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 01:57 AM
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In the past week alone there have been “women treat Chad better, women should treat all men like Chads!” posts along with “overweight women should break the delusion that guys should want her” Men want women to treat every man like a Chad but also tell unattractive women that they shouldn’t be expecting to get any man It’s just tone deaf
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 01:51 AM
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Wow…wasn’t expecting to be called out this early I totally do this and men just kinda settle down and get into routine 😕
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 05:20 PM
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viscously Means thick Did you mean “viciously”?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 05:13 PM
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So…you’re mad at women who meet men’s criteria…because they have criteria that men don’t meet? Men just really want women to have no choice, it seems There is no “you’re a 5 and I’m a 5, so average pussy unlocked” that’s not how it works
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 05:10 PM
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Males of most species have to compete to reproduce, humans are no different Men are also selective while being critical of women’s selectivity There are comments on this post where men talk about not wanting to date overweight women or be with women they don’t want…and too often those same men will be livid that women don’t want to date him for any reason “Average men will fuck average women (who meet men’s criteria, but how dare women have their own criteria and not fuck me!”
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 05:09 PM
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r/menandfemales Just say “subhuman feminine scum” instead of “females” because we know what you mean
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 05:00 PM
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The thing is that online is safer and less pressure A guy I don’t know stops me in a random place when I’m trying to go about my day I’m forced to interact with him and have little knowledge about him as a person Online makes it so much easier to see stuff about him that can help me decide if I’m interested or not If he lists that he’s law enforcement or a finance bro or a lawyer or a physician, then I would more easily be able to swipe left and avoid men in those careers I don’t know if guy on …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 04:47 PM
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r/Menandfemales Female isn’t a noun, it’s an adjective It’s like saying “Blacks” or “poors” Mild dehumanization when it’s obvious you’d be saying “bitches” otherwise
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 04:36 PM
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Thank you for proving that women are justified in avoiding men
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 03:04 AM
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If a guy is having casual sex and contributing to women’s N counts And then turns around for shaming women who have casual sex, yes it’s predatory It’s like starting house fires and then shaming people whose houses burn down from the fire he started The only men who can shame women for body counts are men who are virgins or don’t have sex outside of established relationships But men aren’t exactly going to devalue themselves using their own standards…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 03:01 AM
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The men in this sub would lose their fucking minds if they saw how many conventionally attractive Chads I reject simply due to them not being my type Not all of us are into the same type of men, so yes…lots of attractive men will struggle If his personality is unpleasant, there’s an individual level of shit we are all willing to tolerate — casual sex is easy to tolerate because we don’t have to interact with him very long For everyone, long term relationships are going to have higher expectation…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 12:28 AM
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Sure, she shouldn’t be snobby about it, but she IS lucky that she has access to men she wants She would only be luckier if she had a magic ability to detect which men would be interested in a relationship with her so she could choose the most attractive of her options Personally, I have access to a lot of men, but it doesn’t matter to me much if they’re not my type or if they’re only interested in sex I turn many guys down and have been turned down by guys many times…I don’t think access automat…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 12:13 AM
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Yeah, but those men are mostly seeing a relationship as a bonus to the possibility of sex (in a relationship) A lot of women are looking for the men who don’t really factor sex into the equation one way or the other
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 12:02 AM
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You’re conflating two things as if they’re 100% concurring We can fuck the 10/10 men out of the 95% of guys only interested in sex without it raising our self-image It’s not an enforced rule that we all must magically take it to be a reflection of ourselves We can think we’re a 4 or a 10 and it doesn’t really matter — what IS apparent is that we have access to 10/10 men
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 11:59 PM
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Your post is about women who regret having sex because they wanted more or different It’s not the same thing as seeing “being used for sex as liberating” You’re throwing apples and oranges in the same basket “because they’re both fruit” sure…but they’re not the same thing
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 08:15 PM
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So you bring up an example of women talking about it happening, you see people on Reddit telling you it happens, and then you dismiss them as anecdotal and not happening en masse…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 08:08 PM
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My background is in genetics & biochemistry Your post hurts my head and isn’t how it works Also, the only unsustainability is for the ultra wealthy’s growth, not the average person — we can drop down to industrial age populations and do just fine as a species The super rich just are reaching the point where they need more workers to see more growth and they’ve siphoned so much wealth out of circulation that they’ve hit the wall The decline in birth rate phenomena is a function of financial popul…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 12:57 PM
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Half the time “harshly and unfairly” is used to describe “not getting treated like a Chad” “She won’t have sex with me at a moment’s notice whenever I want! This is harsh & unfair!” “She doesn’t ooze lust and sexual desire for me! This is harsh & unfair!” “She doesn’t does things for me like she would for a rich, attractive Gigachad! This is harsh & unfair!” 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 12:36 PM
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That is a completely different point, but OK
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 09:57 AM
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OK…that’s why we choose to be single It’s “damn those women for not wanting below ideal men!” But also “damn those women for getting with below ideal men and then not treating them as ideal!”
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 09:56 AM
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Are men going to treat really unattractive women as super hot?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 09:54 AM
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I 100% believe this is what is at the core of the dadbod craze I just never want to get fat and want to hold onto my youth as long as possible
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 03:22 AM
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So what? Life isn’t fair It’s not like men are out here treating unattractive women like she’s a top tier model and chasing them for relationships It’s obtuse to bring up a basic concept of “attractive people get treated as if they are attractive” Tall people are treated as if they are tall Short people are treated as if they are short Women are treated as if they are women Men are treated as if they are men None of the OP is novel We all are dealt random traits and it sucks or rocks All you can…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 12:52 AM
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Not what was said…you’re insisting that it’s a choice between looks and personality when you can have both or none
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 12:51 AM
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So…you want women to treat less attractive men as if they’re more attractive…?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 11:22 PM
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That doesn’t say much about the men who are very much not “fine” looking men who struggle I’m with the guys in this one…anecdotes about fine men being don’t really help the repulsive ones
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 03:45 PM
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It’s not really the same though OP is talking about as close to genuine connection as possible A sex worker will physically interact with him, sure But even just knowing that it’s all pretend doesn’t cut it He’s right in that an AI could hold up the illusion better
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 03:38 PM
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This actually supports my theory that the dating pool may actually be inverted Regular people (say 5-8 out of 10 people) get selected out of dating pool for relationships — attractive enough, but not unreachable This leaves the low end 1-4s and the high end 9-10s at the highest in the dating realm 5-8s are still there, but they remain in the dating pool for shorter times than the left and right tail groups The 1-4s are “doomed” The 9-10s are mostly men, and can have access to sex and dates endle…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 03:23 PM
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“Women should give average guys a chance!” What men really mean is “women should force themselves to be attracted to average men the way they’re attracted to attractive men!” Men just want the Chad experience without being Chad
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 03:15 PM
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He literally assumed READ THE POST It’s not on anyone to declare something that isn’t a dealbreaker to them If it was a dealbreaker for the guy, the onus is on HIM If a woman’s dealbreaker is law enforcement and she breaks up with a guy because she find out he is a LEO…he’s not the asshole for not disclosing it — it’s on her to voice her preference BEFORE dating him
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 10:05 AM
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Some of us do, some of us don’t Pretty boys make me want to run away screaming Gimme a beefy, masculine man with rough hands and a mean mug 🥵
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 10:03 AM
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Rich wasn’t ugly Unless you think we ALL like pretty boys (EW)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 10:02 AM
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This always shocks me because I’ve never even thought of having my food paid for…I don’t like eating nearly that much that I would have someone do it for me I know it happens, it just…why? I grew up poor, but I’m not even that much of a cheapskate
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 09:50 AM
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You beautifully summed up my inbox messages from men I’ve unmatched
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 09:46 AM
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In what universe are there no risks to complimenting or entertaining men? No misunderstandings?! SOOOO many guys think a compliment is an invitation to sex — so OF COURSE we don’t compliment men
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 09:44 AM
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It’s exciting if he’s hot…which is not common Hence the “rarely” part Men are jealous of our access to sex…which includes the vast majority of times where quick casual sex is a waste of time and not fulfilling
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/23 09:38 AM
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Men don’t really accept things the way they hope I’m “slim thicc”, 5’3”, am very active, don’t need makeup, avoid sugar & caffeine, prefer 50/50 and don’t demand 6/6/6… But men won’t accept that my standards aren’t absurdly high or that most men still don’t meet them
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 11:56 PM
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But men (redpillers) still complain about women who are skinny / fit / healthy-looking — who don’t want them…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 11:50 PM
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It’s not a disingenuous comparison, you just keep asserting that unattractive men are viable options for us when they aren’t You’re the one pushing it and then glorifying our access to men we never wanted
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 08:40 PM
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Nope It’s probably more like the men’s dating pool is: 5-8 out of 10 men are being selected out of the pool for relationships, attractive enough to get their foot in the door, but not so attractive that he doesn’t care about commitment, some are physically 5s with enough money or resources to bump them up 9-10 out of 10 men are generally happy staying in the dating pool with access to sex 1-4 out of 10 men are confused why 5+ out of 10 women aren’t interested in them On the other side of the ais…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 11:09 AM
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I think I’m a 6-7
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 10:54 AM
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It’s just a lot of “women should date / fuck me!” If there are 5 guys in the dating pool 1, 2, 3, 9, 10 (All out of 10) The average is 5 But only 2 out of 5 are at the average or better The 9 & 10 guys represent the top ~5% of guys happy in the dating pool because of access to sex and no need to commit The 3 guy thinks “I’m more attractive than the 2 and the 1, so I MUST be above average!” The 2 guy thinks “I’m at least more attractive than the 1! I’m just a bit below average!” And then the 2 & …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 10:30 AM
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Dating is a compatibility check, not a result of worth Someone I’m not attracted to is not compatible with me Someone very unattractive in my eyes is also not compatible with me Does this have any reflection on their or my worth? No I may be compatible with them — according to them — but that doesn’t magically make them compatible to me, according to me We all determine who we find compatible or not A 3 out of 10 woman who believes in her worth will not magically be compatible with a 10 out of 1…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 10:26 AM
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We have an abundance of offers that aren’t worth it It’s weird how you romanticize our access to shitty sex with men we’re not attracted to You could get the same access (shitty sex + someone you’re not attracted to) if you just downloaded Grindr and had sex with gay men
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 07:14 AM
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Straight men could have sex as easily and roughly the same quality as straight women get IF they hooked up with gay men Most men are just as sexy to us as most gay men are as sexy to most straight men It’s easy access to sex but men don’t choose that avenue — because there’s no attraction Which is kinda the absurdity of it Men are jealous of women because we can have awful sex with men we’re not sexually attracted to whenever we want Great 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 06:20 AM
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Yes, if it’s not what we want
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 06:13 AM
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The point is you have options that you’re not attracted to that you’re not interested in using Same thing with us and most men — we don’t fuck because we don’t want We are NOT attracted to most men in the same way straight men don’t want to fuck gay men despite the fact that they can access them
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 03:44 AM
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We have access to shitty sex on demand…we don’t really use it because it’s not the perk you make it out to be I’m not doing my hair, shaving my legs, plucking my face, picking out sexy lingerie & heels, then driving to a guy’s place to get fucked for 15 minutes if he’s not so drop dead hot that I would be an idiot to pass him up Most men are not the rockstars in bed they see themselves as
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 03:42 AM
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Look at the comments — literally men saying we should just stay at home or live in bunkers Men complain ALL OF THE TIME about women being afraid of men and seeing them as predators
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 03:34 AM
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You falsely assume most men are a reasonable choice The reality is more likely that men in the dating pool are left skewed because of relationships removing the right end (“higher value men”…whatever that means to you) If the sample of men is: 10, 1, 4, 9, 1 The average is 5, but that doesn’t mean most of them are at least 5 (most are not) The 10 & 9 represent the top ~5% of men sleeping around The 1, 4, 1 are the majority of guys wondering why women won’t go for them when the average guy is a 5…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 12:43 AM
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I think that room of “average men” and “average women” would consist of more attractive and put together people than most people would expect Too many on both sides are below “average” yet think they are average due to personal bias The loudest voices seeming to be 3-4 out of 10 women thinking they’re perfect 10s 3-4 out of 10 men thinking they’re 6-8s While we can argue men being more realistic, the fact is that plenty of people aren’t great at gauging themselves accurately Blame Dunning-Krüger…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 12:35 AM
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Firstly, we all like different things but sure some things are more popular (Honestly, tall guys with handsome faces are boring as fuck in my experience I live in LA, so I have access to a lot of those…I still prefer the actually muscular guys) What I’ve noticed is that there are 3 major body types women go for — with extremes and moderation within each 1 = the traditionally handsome guy — 6’+, handsome face, athletic (meaning low body fat amount), usually due to the halo effect, he is tied to w…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 12:23 AM
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His face wasn’t bad wtf
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 12:00 AM
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Not all of us want to be chased, stop pushing that narrative Direct communication is better, the end
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 11:58 PM
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For us
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 11:54 PM
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I’ve quite literally never heard women say either of those You’re applying TikTok women or something to the real world
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 11:46 PM
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Both OP and that guy made assumptions that were completely unspoken And then the guy acted as if she violated an unspoken agreement that he had made If you think sex = exclusivity, you’re just projecting and not communicating It’s no different than any other unspoken agreement that men make towards women, so I’m not surprised that OP acts the way he does Yeah…complete asshole If he had made clear that he would only have sex if they were exclusive and she agreed then slept around, she would 100% …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 11:43 PM
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I care! 🥺
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 11:15 PM
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”men ***I’m interested in* never want to be in a relationship”
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 07:46 PM
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I’m a petite “slim thicc” build — I don’t understand why I’m being lumped in with “man, these fat chicks really demand guys view them as 10s and date them!” I can go for years at a time without dates or sex (I have done so), but I’m lumped in with “women just stay ‘SiNgLe’ but really are banging Chads!” I don’t ask for any income other than “don’t expect me to support you”— I gladly embrace 50/50 dating, but I’m lumped in with “women only care about money! Golddiggers, all of ‘em!” I don’t ask f…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 07:42 PM
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Average men who add nothing to a woman’s life are really out in full force expecting us to want them Being single is so much better
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 10:17 PM
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Nothing wrong with being single forever
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 10:16 PM
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Short girls are desired by men the way tall men are desired by women 🙄 I’m 5’3”, but I’ve seen LOTS of men who won’t date women over 5’5”
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 08:57 PM
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We know we all can’t get the man we want some of us choose to just float in situationships some of choose FDS some of us choose to give up entirely some of us — the ones you refer to — choose to remain delusional and stubbornly refuse to give up hope But we know that we all can’t get what we want What we don’t do, is go for the men we don’t want EVERYONE ideally wants the perfect combination of looks + personality Men complain about not-unattractive (hot + moderately attractive) women with bad p…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 07:21 AM
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We literally say we want a guy who is honest, respectful, emphatic, kind, responsible…all the time — we point out how many men see us as sex objects and don’t treat us like people… Most guys in the dating pool really aren’t as much of those traits as they see themselves — no different than the 3 out of 10 women who think they’re perfect 10s Men just don’t think of themselves as delusional and wonder why “a 10 personality like me is still single — it MUST be women who are the problem!” So if most…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 07:05 AM
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Women’s standards being high / superficial isn’t going to make us want guys we don’t want We just stay single and accept that we can’t get what we really want If we settle for what we don’t want, men are way too eager to say it’s our fault for not vetting a guy not being happy with a guy we settled for not being attracted to him It’s just safer for women to not compromise our standards Being alone is better than being unhappy
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 05:24 AM
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Kinda sounds like it’s your problem with giving your attention to women who don’t care — be they a 3 or a 9 Like why do you care so much that a 3-4 / 10 woman doesn’t want you? Men lose physical attraction for women Men abandon women & their own kids You act like only men have risks to deal with
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 05:21 AM
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That’s because we learn how many men are complete assholes “If many men are assholes, then it’s better to be with a hot asshole than an average-looking asshole” Men just see it as women going for assholes instead of wondering why so many men are assholes Men seem to want us to get with average guys who we don’t want — which would eventually turn us into assholes because we didn’t really want the average guy in the first place and we’d be miserable It just seems like you PPD men want female privi…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 05:05 AM
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OK, suppose you shoot them all down and tell them that they’re delusional and unrealistic preferences That’s not going to make us want average guys more The outcome of your proposal is exactly what’s happening — we accept singlehood Being single is better than not getting what we want In no version of this will women magically want men we don’t want — no matter how much you shoot it down and tell us it’s unrealistic 🤷🏽‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 05:02 AM
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how does a 5’3” girl qualify for a 6’1” guy exactly You’re taking dimorphic traits and saying that they should be the same By your logic, masculine men should be attracted to masculine women — or even further, masculine men should be attracted to masculine men
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 04:53 AM
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I laughed way too hard at that
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 03:48 AM
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Don’t call me out like this
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 05:59 PM
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Why are you assuming you’re the dream man?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 05:56 PM
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Just because he didn’t say it doesn’t exclude them… You’re contradicting your own point
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 05:37 PM
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Would like to find someone special so we can rush into getting married and have a couple of children who turn out to be awful little brats that drain our bank accounts as we slowly resent each other He develops a gambling habit I hit the bottle Then I poison him over time (this way no one is suspicious) so I can collect his life insurance But right before he finally dies a slow, miserable death - I whisper in his ear, "You should have swiped left." I remarry his rich cousin /s because internet
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 05:33 PM
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get married right at 18 and be forever faithfully together in love and die ideally on the same day Um…die together on your wedding day?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 04:43 PM
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Who are you even talking to?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 03:47 AM
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And if we get into relationships with that guy and are unhappy: it’s our fault for having too high of standards it’s our fault for not vetting / settling for him it’s our fault for not being sexually attracted to him It’s just way less risky in the long run to be single 🤷🏽‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 03:46 AM
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Yeah, most guys are overwhelmingly in the neutral zone Yes = attractive ~5% of men Neutral = not attractive / unattractive ~75% of men No = unattractive ~20% of men
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 11:14 PM
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Men on PPD basically complain that they don’t have female privileges (desirability, access to sex) On top of their male privileges
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 11:02 PM
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Men who are extremely desirable aren’t the ones threatening to go overseas There wouldn’t be a perceived shortage It would just be flooding other countries with men hoping they’ll be desirable in those markets
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 05:29 PM
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I would rather be single and fuck whoever is hotter Millionaire dude likely thinks he can buy me and I hate that shit — so if both were super hot, cab driver Since the premise doesn’t state anything about having to be monogamous
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 06:33 AM
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And then you start bitching because women don’t go out in public anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 05:39 AM
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As long as they’re legal, people can shut up about it I dated older men at 18, it was great and my best relationships were with men 10-20 years older than myself My worst relationships were with guys younger or near my age The biggest relationship hot buttons will be money and maturity As long as a young woman is able to navigate the reality that people can be manipulative and fake, she should be able to avoid the predatory older men There are good older men out there…but I wouldn’t say that the…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 05:32 AM
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I mean, I know guys want relationships…but they’re not desirable guys and I dunno what they think complaining about it on PPD is going to do We are still single…we’re not in relationships, we’re just not devoid of dates They’re both single, by definition
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 06:03 PM
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So you’re wanting the women of PPD to do what exactly? Go into other subs and tell them to stop saying stuff? What do you want PPD women to do about the people who piss you off on Twitter?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 05:44 PM
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OK…so they lie and you know the truth Just ignore them? I don’t see what the problem is If you want people to stop lying, that’s not gonna happen
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 05:12 PM
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OK…but they can’t…what do you want me to do about it? I can’t force other women to have sex with you
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 05:08 PM
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Women want the most attractive options of the niche that they’re interested in OK? And?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 05:06 PM
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I don’t understand the point Women need a certain amount of attractiveness to be interested in a guy What does saying it change?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 05:04 PM
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OK, looks matter a ton and it’s a baseline requirement There, I said it So why bitch about other women lying about it? You have the information…what the fuck do you want to do with it?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 05:03 PM
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So you’re just complaining about some women’s opinions Why are you giving them power?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 05:01 PM
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OK, that’s only some women…so what’s the big deal? How does that affect you if you’re not doing it? If you’re going to do it, why does it matter what women online say? This whole “we’re angry at women for saying the thing!” seems like a dumb thing to complain about Just ignore them? Or are you giving power to women to determine your actions for some reason? And then resenting them for it because you…choose not to do the thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 04:59 PM
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The women who expect men to like all women are a vocal minority who are not liked…they don’t speak for all women
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 04:56 PM
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We want someone nice — who we’re attracted to I don’t understand why guys think attractiveness never factored in
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 04:55 PM
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OK…so they’re pretending It’s not true So…what’s the problem now? I just acknowledged it It’s not going to change anything
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 04:51 PM
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OK…so they’re pretending It’s not true So…what’s the problem now? I just acknowledged it It’s not going to change anything
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 04:51 PM
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I don’t really see what changes if we say “yes, we’re only into attractive men — ideally with good personalities” What does that change? Are men sitting around waiting for us to say it? I don’t understand what the hang up is. It’s harder for men…OK? What is the takeaway, now?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 04:50 PM
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OK…it’s tougher What does that change? Are you literally just sitting here waiting for a woman to tell you that so you can…do something? You couldn’t garner that from observation? Like…what are you even waiting for?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 04:46 PM
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OK, I’m only attracted to very attractive men (in my mind) What does that change?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 04:44 PM
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I agree, I just think men and women as whole groups go different ways The women you mention monkey branching is still women prioritizing their happiness Women initiate divorce more often
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 02:35 PM
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It’s still awkward to not even match them “Male / female” are adjectives It’s a bit like saying “Blacks”
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 02:06 PM
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Fairness would be men who sleep around going for women who sleep around Fairness would be going 50/50 Fairness would be men who are overweight going for overweight women Fairness would be overweight women not going for not-overweight men Fairness would be non-NT men not going for NT women Lots more stuff that people mostly don’t want to get behind on both sides Ultimately, dating isn’t fair…it’s a competition — some are winners, some are losers
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 05:38 AM
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My upper and lower limits have shrunk as I get older I prefer dating men 2-15 years older My range has been 5 years younger through 35 years older My worst relationships were with younger men…they take much longer to mature on average than women
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 05:26 AM
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It’s a double standard because men insist that women’s value lowers if they have sex, but don’t say that their own value doesn’t lower by having sex If you’re sleeping around, yet calling women lower value for it…you’re literally contributing to the problem and leaving all the blame on women when you had a part in making it possible — especially given how many men pressure women into sex They’re not sexually dimorphic traits It’s a practice framed by men to benefit men and disadvantage women
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 05:21 AM
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Most of those are sexually divergent traits, not standards of behavior It’s a dishonest comparison
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 05:19 AM
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Nah, being single is soooo much better than being in a relationship I’m not happy in Men prefer to be unhappy than alone Women prefer to be alone than unhappy
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 05:17 AM
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Men who sleep around? Not good enough Men who don’t have hypermasculine traits? Not good enough Men who interact with other women? Not good enough Men who go on trips with friends? Not good enough Men who don’t go everywhere with their girl on Friday night? Not good enough Men who go on Instagram? Not good enough Men who don’t look super fit? Not good enough If it sounds absurd, that’s because I literally took your argument and flipped it. Most men would complain about this list same requirement…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 05:13 AM
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If your “niceness” is conditional on whether or not we will have sex with you…it’s not actually being nice That’s why we don’t like Nice Guys™ It’s not actually just being nice Actually being nice ≠ attractive — they’re two different dimensions
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 09:14 PM
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It’s more accurate to call it “chemistry / good guy traits” Versus “attractiveness / bad boy traits” A cocky guy who thinks he’s hot shit will likely score attractiveness points, but it won’t affect his chemistry points because he’s — at minimum — attractive to a degree So some women might fuck him, but they wouldn’t consider him for anything serious Everyone. EVERYONE. Has a minimum attractiveness they will accept for intimacy. Chemistry (“personality”) dictates how willing we are to keep that …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 08:51 PM
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“Personality” is the “good guy / woman” stuff “Attractiveness” is the “bad boy / naughty girl” stuff The assholes may be charismatic and dominant, which are attractiveness items They’re not “pErSoNaLiTy” things because it’s not a sum total of personality (despite the moniker) — being a cocky guy doesn’t add to his “good guy” score, but it does raise his “bad boy” score If you want to split hairs, we can call them “chemistry traits” and “attractive traits”
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 08:39 PM
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Attractiveness and personality are two different scales Everyone has a minimum attractiveness that they will accept — it acts as a filter Personality determines whether the people filtered are worth keeping around — it’s a selector Men seem to have a much harder time accepting that both are necessary (whereas women are often accused of not vocalizing the attractiveness part…I personally assume that it’s an understood rule)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 08:33 PM
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He’s mostly robot…very little of him is still human
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 07:07 PM
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It’s often used as a “polite” alternative to “bitches” Outside of a medical context, it can be dehumanizing…like saying “Blacks” Male/female are adjectives, not nouns
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 07:04 PM
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I don’t wear makeup or use filters You can use it…but it’s kinda weird
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 10:23 AM
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Men as a group are not as enthusiastic to please as you would hope
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 04:56 AM
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Everyone wants to date someone we’re attracted to We women just think that part is implied Men will talk about how the market is mostly overweight, undesirable women, but never seem to say “I would love to date an overweight woman as long as her personality is great and she makes me laugh and isn’t a #BossBabe” It’s oddly a double standard that men don’t seem to address
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 11:34 PM
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Because it is quite literally “women should change what they want so it benefits men” The male discussion is never about “men changing to benefit women” — it’s always “women want more than I have and they don’t give me attention”
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 11:30 PM
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We could rephrase that to be there are more desirable women than there are desirable men And this is assuming that the men and women are truly desirable and not riddled with dealbreakers
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 11:28 PM
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Yes, women gatekeep sex, men gatekeep commitment…a pretty agreed upon sentiment Most men end up in relationships because women settle…it is what it is I suspect that may be why sex is so rare for couples beyond a certain period of time, aside from aging and libido
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 10:17 AM
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So…you’re saying I get to die young if I don’t marry a guy? I’m…not seeing the downside I don’t want to live until I’m falling apart
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 10:10 AM
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Anyone can be boring AF…plenty of guys out there who don’t even try to have a conversation or I dunno…can’t It’s a bit frustrating when I reply and try to banter and the guy is like “haha” or “cool” Then they get REALLY confused why I stop talking and message me back asking why I’m not saying anything OR Some guys kinda make it apparent that they don’t give a shit what I’m saying and they just want whatever gets them in my panties the fastest I’ve had conversations where the guy makes very clear…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 10:06 AM
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OK, I laughed
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 10:01 AM
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(You could’ve just said teachers)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 09:25 AM
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No one is a prize unless you’re the top ~1% empirically
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 09:19 AM
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Thank you for this
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 09:17 AM
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I mean, the whole post is about men who refuse to change but resent women for not wanting them Some people want more than they put out Men will more visibly see women who do this Women will more visibly see men who do this What you consider your authentic self could also just be depression speaking
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 09:15 AM
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Average women put more into themselves than the average man So yeah…of course we won’t when the average man is “just OK”
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 09:11 AM
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So those aren’t things that you’ve used to improve yourself, they’re just a means to an end?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 09:02 AM
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A better use would be Pavlovian conditioning to make men less sex-focused Or is your whole point another: “coerce women to be with men they don’t actually want to be with” Round 2 Electric Boogaloo?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 08:50 AM
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Both men and women will tell you that their inboxes are full of them
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 08:41 AM
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I think u/ratboi34 is a guy
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 07:37 AM
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If women could have a planet all to their own by choice and have strong community support to help raise kids…I think a sizeable amount (not saying majority) would do so
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 07:35 AM
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Settling does not equate to reaching the ideal Not saying that those women are all 10s, though
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 07:33 AM
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Of course! There just aren’t enough of them around
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 07:32 AM
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Most of those things are largely because of how many thousand+ years where men forbade women from working on anything like that Keeping women out of the workforce when infrastructure was being laid down artificially places all contributions in the men’s corner
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 07:31 AM
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No…it’s true, to a degree
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 07:26 AM
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It realistically could just be nature taking its course Plenty of species consist of males doing their best to attract female attention And many species exist out there where few males reproduce compared to more females Genuine attraction of women towards men could have naturally always been this low and artificially encouraged by human society to pair up for survival Given how many cultures suppressed women across the globe and throughout history It’s not crazy to think that humans — as intelli…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 07:21 AM
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In most societies, women were treated as second class citizens and still are to this day Women quite literally had to find husbands to survive because men rigged the systems to remove agency from women Men are just shocked at how many men are not desired by women when the system that forced women to be with men is not longer doing so It’s not a matter of “not liking men” so much as “not liking most men”
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 07:12 AM
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FWB and situationships involve men and women, so it’s not like it only affects women’s numbers The food thing is somewhat uncommon and probably as much of brag material as guys who need to talk about how many chicks they banged during X period / event Single is still single, so…whether or not people are happy about being single isn’t wholly tied to the dating market and more due to what each individual will tolerate
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 11:39 PM
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Everyone overestimates their value…men often assume they bring more to the table than they do Hence the supra-6’ guys asking why they can’t get dates just because they ticked the height box
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 11:32 PM
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Men prefer to be unhappy than alone Women prefer to be alone than unhappy
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 11:22 PM
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This could be explained by near universal overestimation of our own attractiveness
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 11:06 PM
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You mean who you perceive as attractive as yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 11:05 PM
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Which can contribute to why divorce is initiated by women or why women would prefer to be single
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 11:03 PM
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I mean, you say that it was tongue-in-cheek and that society needs to pair up But have you considered the possibility that this is nature’s population control mechanism?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 11:02 PM
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Counterpoint: your statement seems to be predicated on men bringing more to the table
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 10:59 PM
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They do
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 10:54 PM
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Nope, just the normal exchange of power between the two genders — sex & money Prostitution is very close, though
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 10:53 PM
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I mean…men complain about the top % of men basically keeping harems — and also the women comfortable l with being part of said “Chad harem”
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 10:47 PM
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Because…?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 10:19 PM
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Anyone can be self-absorbed Men aren’t immune to it
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 10:14 PM
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So…you’re saying you were sexually compatible That’s why it worked 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 12:25 PM
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You don’t understand how sex works for women at all It’s like you want to pretend that dead bedrooms are impossible
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 12:24 PM
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No, top 20% includes Brad / Chadlite True Chads are top 1-5% I’m a woman being honest
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 12:21 PM
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He’s like a 6.5-7 max
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 12:20 PM
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Ew no
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 12:20 PM
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What? EW The only thing going for him is his height He’s like a 7
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 12:18 PM
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I could see it for the ladies who go for the editorial / metro look
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 12:17 PM
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He’s attractive, but not THAT attractive Like a 7-8 maybe
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 12:16 PM
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That guy is nowhere near a Chad Ew Ewwwwww
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 12:13 PM
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I don’t, I have to ghost men once they start asking me to date them Men don’t bring enough to my life to be worth dating, honestly…most guys are only good as a warm dildo Don’t ruin a good thing, guys
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 09:34 AM
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Possible, sure…like winning the lottery There isn’t really any apparent benefit that a guy is bringing to the table if he’s thinking it’s magically going to work out just because he found a virgin woman Guys always say “but I’m a great guy! She’ll love me!” as if it’s an empirical truth The whole situation is predicated on so many things that it’s absurd
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 09:24 AM
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Sexual compatibility is totally a thing Say you two decide to have sex and try different things And she finds that nothing you do feels good and she doesn’t want to have sex with you at all We call that “not being sexually compatible” So yeah…you found your once virgin, but she doesn’t want anything to do with you, sexually…congrats?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 09:22 AM
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So…then you would have discovered that you two are NOT sexually compatible (won’t even cuddle you) and now she’s no longer a virgin and neither are you
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 09:20 AM
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Again, this is all predicated on guys not being completely self-absorbed shitheads themselves They can find that girl, sure…doesn’t mean they aren’t raging assholes or actually provide her with anything she wants Too many guys think they’re a total catch when they’re not
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 09:18 AM
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Straight women have different types of guys they go for conventionally masculine androgynous / boyish fluffy dadbod comfort guys Pretty much the 3 body types: muscular, skinny, chubby
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 08:27 AM
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It’s just two opposite types of guys that women go for The men you go for make my skin crawl and vice versa Someone for everyone out there
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 08:26 AM
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Ew
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 08:24 AM
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In the gay community, jocks go for jocks most of the time Femboys are normally marginalized or fetishized Most gay guys are chasing after the Adonis jock guys who usually ignore anyone else The hot guys on gay pride floats are what sell in porn & gay clubs as go-go dancers In the 2010s, there was a huge “No fats, no fems, no Asians” movement in the gay community
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 03:33 AM
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I wouldn’t really get anything out of a height filter because I’m 5’3” and most guys are going to be taller than I am just due to average height distribution I would LOVE the weight or body shape filters so I can hunt for jacked guys and avoid the skinny ones, I’m also 135lbs, so I have no real reason to worry about guys using them
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 03:28 AM
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I will hand over my dad bods for your jacked men
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 03:25 AM
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I would love them! Pass to me
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 03:25 AM
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That sounds SO dangerous
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 03:22 AM
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I saw another comment on here positing that it’s comparable to the male fantasy of a woman who’s sexy and sexually lusting after him and focused on his pleasure The female fantasy is a man who allows her to be emotionally vulnerable with him, BUT without him needing to be emotionally vulnerable and focused on her needs
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 02:45 AM
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This just weirds me out I live in Los Angeles and have had…plenty of offers But I can’t imagine getting dressed up for dinner nearly that much…just to eat Guys with money scare the fuck out of me because of how often they use that as an excuse to pressure me for sex This would be feasible for young, naïve women who don’t realize how dangerous doing this too much could be Food isn’t worth the whole affair if you think about it…seems like you’d have to be stupid or desperate to keep doing it
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 02:29 AM
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We’re talking about the men, though
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 01:40 AM
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No, you’re thinking something a bit different High value is going to be “more attractive universally” (the quotes are important) While there are variances in tastes, high and low attractiveness (meaning sum total) is pretty “universal” Same for “personality” traits
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/23 01:35 AM
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The whole “I want a virgin” thing is a bit wild when you step back and realize how much of a lottery fantasy it is These guys want a Stacy / above average woman (low chance) who is young ~18-24ish (lower chance the older the guy gets) who is still a virgin (below average chance) who likes the guy (low chance) enough to get married (low chance) magically enjoys sex after it not being important to her enough to be a virgin (VERY low chance) who is sexually compatible with the FIRST guy she has sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 11:08 PM
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Too many men want to sleep around and then believe that they deserve virgins and low n-count women It’s a clear double standard
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 10:43 AM
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I just want to fuck hot guys and not be asked to date anyone 🤷🏽‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 10:40 AM
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Creepy means bad vibe check Plenty of ugly guys aren’t creepy Plenty of attractive guys are creepy I will agree too many women use it for the wrong reason Everyone wants someone they’re attracted to…that’s why people aren’t becoming gay en masse due to straight dating not yielding results
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 10:37 AM
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Let’s break this down “makes less money (than [I do])” could be a current state or a permanent state — say he just wants to take it easy and has a bunch of money saved up and is working a lower income job…that’s fine. If it’s as far as he’s going and he has no extra plan or backup…it would be an iffy situation because I don’t believe either partner should be dependent on the other “is unemployed” also depends. If it’s a temporary phase, sure — I’ve done it. If he is retired or has enough saved, …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 09:22 AM
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I don’t have a lot of demands when it comes to a guy…most guys just aren’t it So I don’t settle, because I don’t need a relationship with someone I’m not into
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 09:10 AM
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Most women mean “makes me feel safe” in an emotional vulnerability sense — they want a guy with whom they can count on to be there Most of the time, they avoid any man who has physical strength beyond a certain degree Usually, this kind of guy may overlap with the provider (financial) role I’m one of the few women who ACTUALLY means “feel protected”, so it’s not going to apply to most women — I go for guys who can physically protect me from other men and who would be willing to protect me in the…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 09:07 AM
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All the time It enables some women to demand unrealistic things because they’ve been told that they’re beautiful (when they’re objectively not) “I’m beautiful! You HAVE to be into me!”
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 08:58 AM
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You’re the one insisting that it’s a turkey sandwich, so the example will never be understood by you because you’re insisting that men are more attractive than they are It’s statistically incorrect to assume male attractiveness is on a bell curve You only assume bell curve if you can assume true randomness Men are very more likely left skewed in terms of attractiveness…which would explain why women find the average man not attractive Turkey sandwich (something we actually consider eating) starts…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 04:34 PM
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We. Don’t. Find. Average. Men. Attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 04:27 PM
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I didn’t say men were trash I did however say that most of our access to sex is disappointing — and the fact that most women don’t reach orgasm and don’t have interest in sex proves that is has nothing to do with thinking men are trash But OK OP is complaining about our access to sex while not exercising it We don’t go looking for sex with most men for the same reason straight men don’t go looking for sex with other men — because it’s not going to be a fun time and it’s going to be just one guy …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 04:24 PM
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You have options, you just don’t exercise your ability to use those options Some of us see single by choice and don’t want to get into relationships with men You don’t even consider women being single by choice in every sense
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 04:22 PM
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The complaint by OP is that women have options Men also have options — straight men just don’t like those options (gay men) No different than how many of us women don’t like most of our options either
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 04:19 PM
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It’s not an option to us any more than eating crushed glass off the sidewalk crosses our mind as an option for lunch So sure…we can eat all the crushed glass we want, I guess? If the example is a prison cell, men are starving with nothing in their cells and women have shit sandwiches in ours
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 04:11 PM
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My pics, warning: partial nudity — no makeup or filters used I’m 5’3” / 162 cm baby faced mixed, but mostly Filipina (my celebrity face lookalike is Naomi Osaka, apparently) wear size 6 S/M clothing I’m a 36DDD cup size (yes, I’ve had under muscle implants) 28” waist 42” hips (had a BBL) would say I’m pretty hourglass figured I live in Los Angeles (my frame of reference) and would rate myself about a 6-7 out of 10
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 03:52 PM
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Yup, we do I avoid cheeky preppy guys with baby faces like the plague Pass me the rugged ones
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 03:39 PM
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We do, just more rarely Guys have a much lower threshold of boner-getting It is also probably not going to be from dick pics Forearms and hands seem to be what does it for most of us who do
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 03:37 PM
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It would be more accurate if women said we “didn’t care about looks as long as it’s above the minimum threshold — meaning that the difference between “attractive enough” and super attractive is not really relevant since he’s already qualified in our minds Think of it has a high floor, low ceiling for attractiveness and a low floor, high ceiling for personality
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 03:32 PM
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No, personality still matters A certain level of attractiveness will override tolerable negative personality traits — generally as long as they’re not outright dealbreakers This applies to everyone
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 03:27 PM
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I don’t get being against age gap relationships I’m one of the women who has always dated older than myself I’ve never had the experience of older men taking advantage of me in a relationship because I filter that out before it goes there The difference in financial status was always an assumed thing because men who were understanding of it are the ones you end up in a relationship with Being in different places in life doesn’t mean shit — my best relationships were with men 10-15 years older…my…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 03:21 PM
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Nothing in her comment said that She’s right…young women do commonly express not being attracted to older men
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 03:11 PM
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You guys really see our access to unfulfilling sex that is ultimately a waste of time and effort…as a bonus Download Grindr and you’ll have access to all the sex with people you’re not interested in at all — who could be interested in you! We go for the most attractive guy for casual sex because if it’s going to be disappointing as fuck, he might as well look super hot
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 03:01 PM
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beating them off with both hands 👀
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 02:58 PM
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This is like saying guys who have lots of sex and don’t date women are “single” in quotes Single just means not in a relationship Having tons of or no sex at all or dates or no date have zero effect on the word “single” You could be in a relationship and have tons of sex or no sex or lots of dates or no dates and it doesn’t have an effect on the word “relationship” If you want near limitless access to disappointing sex with men…you could try Grindr?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 02:55 PM
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Men want concrete results, not ego boost circlejerks If they are told that “all men are handsome” and women are still saying “ew” and swiping left…it’s a useless platitude I’m with the guys on this one Men being told that they are handsome and encouraging them to have “inner handsomeness” is pretty much just handing out participation trophies to men…and they know it The best way to translate it for guys is to take the situation where a weird creep gives a woman a compliment like “you’re super pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 02:36 PM
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I would agree with “beauty is skin deep” over “all women are beautiful” if that’s the explanation behind the “movement” or whatever
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 02:36 PM
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But even then “all women are beautiful” would be inaccurate compared to “you’re beautiful to someone” — I could get behind the latter The former is taken and abused too much, in my opinion
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 02:35 PM
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…go on… 👀
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 09:22 AM
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I don’t really think the “all women are beautiful” movement should really be a thing because that’s not how beauty works Maybe I’m speaking from a place of privilege because I’ve never been overweight or weirdly proportioned or had facial complaints, but I just don’t see the point in insisting that people should be attracted to anyone unless it’s genuine The “all ___ are beautiful / whatever” campaign of any form seems pretty disingenuous I recognize that I am not going to be for everyone, so I …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 09:17 AM
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A guy on the red line (LA) got stabbed in the neck a few years ago and I was in the car behind him The car driver took off his hoodie and pushed it against the guy’s neck and held it there then I came up and had another guy and myself put the guy on the floor because his blood pressure was going to drop too fast and suffocate his brain Elevated his legs and just kept him stable until the EMTs got there He died a few hours later, but he made it to the hospital at least Plus, there are Good Samari…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 09:32 PM
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I’m a former nurse and the vast majority of people won’t even help if someone is bleeding out on the floor (most will stand around and take pictures) I don’t expect anyone to help at this point…and the world is full of crazies & assholes because enough people won’t help — they just expect someone else to do it Men have greater physical strength & size, so the real hope is that people who have the power to do something use it If everyone around jumped in, they could stop really bad stuff without …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 09:20 PM
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It’s a subset of masculinity that describes masculine traits Traditional masculinity and toxic masculinity are both behavioral displays of masculine traits…that’s where the “masculine” in both terms comes from Toxic masculinity is when those traits are used to the detriment of others So let’s take “physical strength” for example Behavioral masculinity is merely the utilization of this physical strength Traditional masculinity demonstrates physical strength as a virtue to be admired because it is…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 07:48 AM
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Not true Women visually don’t like ugliness — bad clothes, bad hair, bad teeth, bad grooming, bad housekeeping, bad cleaning habits, dirty environment, worn clothes / shoes, etc Women are definitely visual, it’s just not in a sexual manner Too many men believe what you do and then get confused when women say we don’t find men attractive I would argue that women are way more visual than men Men are just more often pleased with what they see Women are more often disgusted with what they see
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 05:15 AM
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Being selective and averse to ugliness are also feminine qualities and men will still be repulsed by it
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 05:08 AM
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Nope, read that paragraph, he’s saying they are
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 05:00 AM
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If you polled women in the dating pool (let’s assume 18-34) in Los Angeles, I doubt many averageish or above the average women would break the 5K right swipe number (Think those Tinder profile stat things) I think you overestimate how many men are attractive Men are probably not on a bell curve and are probably a left skew Assuming men are normally distributed is not a proper statistical assumption — you assume a normal distribution for randomness If you wanted to take it a step further and look…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 04:43 AM
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Most men are not fuckboys. I am not a fuckboy and most of the guys I have known have been serial monogamists. Most men are fuckboys and with a little common sense women should be able to weed them out. Pick one Also you only picked fuckboys out of the list It’s erroneous to assume fuckboys are all attractive & charming — being a fuckboy is a mentality, not necessarily something only attractive men can be I don’t ask men about the last time they had a committed relationship because men lie all th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 04:30 AM
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OK, but then the fact stands that they broke up with him for other reasons
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 04:27 AM
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A lot of times women don’t report men’s awful behaviors because men can make social circles extremely hostile for women (and vice versa, sure)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 04:27 AM
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Women don’t want a know-it-all combative man who’s not open to what women have to say Which was literally most eras of human history
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 04:24 AM
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Normalcy and decency are different things It’s normal for men to have sexual thoughts and watch porn — this is a matter of quantity, as most men do this It’s NOT decent to treat people the way porn does (largely because the porn is catered to [men] and does not deal with lack of consent — even in CNC) Too many (high quantity) men translate porn to real life interactions (low quality) and then get confused why women aren’t reacting the way the porn actresses are
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 02:10 AM
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I think there’s a difference between “normal / common” and “decent” Most of what you’re talking about is more decency than normalcy
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 02:03 AM
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So we have to always want dick and have to be constantly told (even more so than usual) what men think Yikes
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 01:59 AM
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Men without (decent — and I mean like full face in the image, not random body parts) pics send messages all the time I would say most women just ignore / delete those messages and don’t bother remembering them
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 01:51 AM
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in messages on apps where you don’t have to swipe to match I’m not talking about my Reddit inbox
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 01:19 AM
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I’m in Los Angeles
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 01:18 AM
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Well, I’m not saying 98-99% not meeting the threshold is a problem I’m pointing out how many men assume it’s more like 40% not meeting the threshold and then being shocked that it’s 98-99%
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 01:17 AM
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You don’t interact with those friends as a woman, so you don’t know if he’s actually a scumbag towards women one-on-one or not PLENTY of guys use money as an excuse to treat women like shit You’re talking about a guy who looks good on paper It’s the same as meeting a woman who seems to tick all your boxes, but then she shows up and is mean to your pet, talks shit about your friends, thinks all your opinions are garbage, and has a bunch of random icks that happen to be things you do
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 01:12 AM
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You say I have unattainable requirements…seems like you didn’t even read my comment Yeah, it’s totally Heaven to be inundated with fuckboys and men who think having money means I’m supposed to worship the ground he walks on and men who want a bangmaid who never has needs of her own or men who could not give a shit if sex is good for me Totally sounds like paradise 🙄 The reality is that you assume most guys are decent and don’t interact with them one-on-one as a woman If most women suck, it shoul…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 01:11 AM
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That is exactly what OP wants Don’t assume everyone is decent
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 01:04 AM
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But…yes
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 01:01 AM
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Very, very rare…but I also play the numbers game I live in Los Angeles, so there’s ~8.5 million men —> let’s assume 1/3 are in the dating market —> so ~3 million men I would estimate that about 5000 men would be what I consider to be attractive of that group That’s still 0.167% of men in the dating pool
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 12:59 AM
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It’s not misandry to point out that most men are not sexually attractive That’s just using my eyes
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 12:55 AM
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I mean, if his profile on OLD is blatantly “I’m here to fuck” and his pics are just him in selfies with multiple women in bikinis, it’s just easier to know that I wouldn’t want to talk to him Wouldn’t you want to see if a girl is “must be 6/6/6 and treat me like a princess and let me spend your money” on her OLD instead of cold approaching and hoping she’s not entitled? I would probably know more about what he does or his interests from OLD (this is the “different contexts” part) and would know …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 12:44 AM
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Toxic femininity is a term It’s used for false rape accusations, career-ruining gossip, exploiting the Duluth model to pose as a battered woman (when actually being the abuser), etc
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 12:40 AM
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I’ve seen it…and it confuses me A good amount of women who are shown in the videos are drunk or already are dating a guy I also separate things that are dealbreakers from “icks” An ick for me would be something like “a guy who can do full splits” — it turns me off, but I normally wouldn’t even bring it up because of how uncommon it is Many of the “icks” shown seem to be common innocuous behaviors
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 12:27 AM
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loud, easily irritated or combative clingy/pushy Oh shit…is ghosting & avoiding men just making them more interested? 😞
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 12:10 AM
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Some of these seem to contradict each other
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 12:09 AM
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What is “not receptive”?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 12:06 AM
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I mean…knowing what I do and being able to go back a few years, I would actually tighten the reigns The problem we women face in dating is that we have too many interested men who we don’t see as relationship material So…I would lower my exposure to just be my daily life as much as possible Looking my best is always a double-edged sword that men don’t understand because women that an attractive man isn’t interested in generally don’t pose a threat Whereas men who a woman isn’t interested in pose…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 03:26 PM
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Men are simply more stubborn about it Men’s skincare routine? “Gay!” Dressing better? “Gay!” Not acting like a sex-obsessed horn dog? “Gay!”
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 03:08 PM
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It’s weird to think that appearance doesn’t factor into what women want Wanting a guy who listens and can laugh with us doesn’t negate the base factor that we also have to be attracted to him
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 03:06 PM
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Plenty of guys on non-swipe-to-match apps will message saying stuff like “you’re pretty! We should meet!” and then they don’t have pics and get mad when I leave them on read or respond to their messages with “I don’t meet guys I’m not attracted to” MANY men think that just dishing out compliments will make us drop everything and give them our time It is a significant proportion of messages Men just have a tendency to assume other men are upstanding and doing their best and don’t see just how man…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 03:03 PM
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I mean…we women already know that men swipe right on most of us and are waiting for whoever responds The premises are already established that you’re just fishing for the most attractive women out of your matches So it’s less of an incentive to stop and deal with every guy when we all know how it works I doubt most men swipe right because they’re genuinely interested in us as people…so why should we women be stopping for anything but the best looking guy out of our options?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 02:58 PM
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Men spend a lot of time pressuring us to settle for men we don’t want and then saying we’re at fault for settling for men we didn’t want
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 02:50 PM
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And yet men on PPD will vehemently claim that men never EVER “punch outside their league” 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 02:48 PM
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Cold approaches are SO incredibly off putting It’s way too much pressure to interact with a guy on the spot OLD at least allows us to see guys in different contexts and have some insight into who he is BEFORE we choose to interact with them
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 02:42 PM
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It’s part of it But mainly because most men aren’t attractive It’s just how it is Men are less risk averse and will thus be more willing to have more risky relationships with less than ideal partners
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 02:35 PM
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While I agree with your post, this analogy is correct Just because someone is willing and available doesn’t mean we’re interested back…that was the point of the comment A straight guy who I’m not attracted to making advances towards me is the same thing as being a straight guy with gay men making advances towards me because both would never go anywhere I’m not sure why you specifically decided that he was in her league
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 02:34 PM
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Exactly I can be horny all day and masturbate a few times But men seem to think that just because I’m horny, I’ll have sex with anyone available It doesn’t work like that
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 02:28 PM
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So…it’s impossible for women to be jerks?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 09:18 AM
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I guess I’ll see you on r/whenwomenrefuse Stop insisting that “no” means “not right now”
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 09:13 AM
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Wait…you’re saying me hanging with the gays is repelling straight men? FUCKING JACKPOT!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 09:10 AM
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I guess it’s that time of the month for another “subjugate women” post
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 09:09 AM
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Communicating what I like will never mean anything when men actively ignore what we want and insist that they know better than we do Look at the comments Some men are vocal about “if a woman tells me what she wants me to do, I’m turned off / not interested” Men usually don’t really care if women are having a good time for sex…and then they wonder why we’re not begging to have it
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 08:59 AM
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I mean…your sentiment is pretty much the average guy’s response
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 08:54 AM
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And you discovered one reason why women don’t care about casual sex as much as men
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 08:48 AM
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It can be both, it doesn’t have to be one or the other
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 08:36 AM
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Personally, when I swipe…all I’m thinking about is if I find him attractive and he doesn’t have any glaring red flags Most guys don’t have glaring red flags like “you will be my female servant” or “must be willing to deal with alcoholism” And when I swipe, I’m not thinking “is he in my SMV range?” or some weird meta analysis of our relation to each other on some scale You also don’t interact with men on dating apps…plenty of guys on apps where you don’t need to swipe to match will “shoot his sho…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 08:33 AM
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I’m terrified of being more than 140 lbs and do a 10-12 step skincare routine (so my skin is actually good, rather than covering it up with makeup) and drink mostly water and avoid sugar & caffeine and don’t smoke or drink and and go to the gym 3-5x a week (and actually work up a soaked shirt sweat) I live in LA and rate myself an honest 6-7 But I would say the dating scene is not full of physically 6-7 attractiveness men — even adjusting for “female delusion” or whatever Largely because guys do…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 08:14 AM
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I would say 99% is probably my own personal average Men just overestimate how well other men come across I say this as a 5’3”, 135 lb, size 6, women’s S/M, Asian woman who eats low sugar and goes to the gym 3-5x a week I don’t ask for 6’ or 6 figures or male model facial features I’ve dated amputees, a guy missing an eye, a deaf guy (I know ASL), men with different political views, guys between jobs, guys who’ve had to move in with their parents, guys missing a few teeth…I’m not asking for perfe…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 08:08 AM
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Men blame women for being picky all the time on here My inbox is full of guys who think their appearance doesn’t matter You don’t interact with men one-on-one the way we do The amount of men who think their appearance doesn’t matter is STAGGERING in messages on apps where you don’t have to swipe to match Looks and personality are two different dimensions, nearly EVERYONE wants both But men will complain that “women want LOOKS, too? I thought I just needed a great personality!” — while also compl…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 08:00 AM
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Ah, yes Such a privilege to have so many undesirable men constantly bother us, to live life knowing we are physically vulnerable, to always have to look over our shoulders for creeps & psychos, to always have to be on guard for yet again another guy who wants more from us (a relationship) than we want All because we checks notes can get access to terrible, unfulfilling sex whenever we want So many perks You want the guys sending me dick pics? Take them You want the guys trying to get into a rela…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 07:45 AM
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Equality doesn’t mean women start giving sex & dates to men we don’t want
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 07:40 AM
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There are a lot of posts saying that women need to “be honest” and not “gaslight” men and “just admit that men have it hard” But I never see what the point of that is Yes, men have it harder in terms of having to put forth effort…this happens in nature all the time…males of many species have to demonstrate to females that they’re worth mating with While we’re more advanced and complex as humans, the same behavior drives us as a gonochoric species…men display, women choose Men desire women more t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 07:34 AM
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Guys on here get mad that we have access to sex and say we’re ungrateful for the advantage of being desirable
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 07:23 AM
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There are plenty of dating apps where swiping to match isn’t a thing
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 04:30 AM
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I’m not interested in most men, so I don’t really have any advice here — personally, the amount of men who approach me in real life is annoying because it’s so far always been an outright no If I’m interested in a guy, it’s usually on a dating app and I send a message…I’m not the “chase me! Chase me!” type I prefer OLD because I get more insight on a guy versus having to do an improvised spot check of attraction on top of having to b in the mood to tolerate him enough for a vibe check It’s a lot…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 04:28 AM
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Not giving random men attention is now a complaint of non-treatment? So women are supposed to give attention to men we have no interest in? Men: “Don’t lead a guy on and be honest about your interest!” Also men: “Why aren’t women showing interest in average men?!” The dichotomy is what it is
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 01:02 AM
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Looooooots of men don’t even meet the bare minimum Women have been saying for years that the bar is so low that it’s in hell And plenty of men still can’t even get over said bar
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 12:37 AM
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All you and the comments on here from men are saying is that women are justified in not wanting to deal with most men “We need to pick better” = any time there’s a problem, it’s our fault The solution is women should avoid most men and only deal with attractive men with great personalities We all can’t get those men, so women being comfortable alone is already a thing What I suspect you really want, OP, is for us to settle for men who we don’t want because you imply that they are “better” in ter…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 12:33 AM
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if ugly men are the only ones approaching your you’re probably ugly Nowhere did I say that, but OK Plenty of guys on here say we should be giving ugly men chances because of checks notes “personality…commitment…” among other fun buzzwords Men don’t try to punch way the fuck out of their league It’s weird that you suggest that men don’t do this, when we women have to actually deal with these men…and yes, they do You guys don’t even interact with men on dating apps or get hit on by men IRL but LOV…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 12:16 AM
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Basic respect, kindness Literally basic human things that aren’t supposed to depend on a relationship acknowledgement, fondness, interest, validation, opportunities for companionship and love Friends can do that Not really seeing why I need a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 12:12 AM
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I mean…it’s a pretty braindead post Everyone would have sex with hot people who are interested in us if there are no repercussions
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 12:09 AM
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avoiding certain men You mean avoiding most men…which is what we’re doing more and more…yet men complain that we avoid them, while also saying it’s up to us to avoid men birth pill Still very stigmatized abortions Under legal attack The pattern is clearly blaming women for not using the supposed avenues available to us — while simultaneously shaming and active attempts to remove those avenues from us On top of “countries are experiencing declines in birth rates!” Everything you list is apparentl…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 12:06 AM
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So…it’s our fault that men use us for sex + it’s our fault that men are interested in relationships when we aren’t Weird that you’re saying we’re entitled to relationships when the issue is us NOT wanting relationships with men Just seems to be women’s fault for everything…why even bother with us in the first place? Especially since women are “mentally ill” in mass quantities since we’re collectively not interested in men’s horrible behavior
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 11:58 PM
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I would say less expression (I’m pretty calm) and simple quiet hot guy who sits there like an accessory But I do like when these guys can be dorky sometimes…that’s never ruled out I tend to go for guys who are…rather standoffish / gruff / grumpy…but have a sweet side for me People who don’t know them tend to feel a bit…intimidated by them and are often confused how I’m with them I’m cursed with looking friendly & approachable — I hate it…so I’m drawn towards my opposite presence These grumpy guy…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 03:38 PM
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Online or through friends or designated dating spaces (clubs, bars) Cold approaches mostly suck and are intrusive Warm approaches are way less awkward
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 03:31 PM
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It’s pretty intrusive to just talk to people who may not be receptive to a conversation in the first place Just because you’re up for some interaction doesn’t mean everyone else is
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 03:26 PM
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So what you’re saying is women shouldn’t even bother with men because we’re to blame for interacting with men
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 03:23 PM
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It sucks that things are worse for you men…that probably doesn’t change anything Or are you expecting “wow, things are really bad for you men…here’s some sex and dates”? Because that’s unrealistic as fuck
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 03:19 PM
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I don’t struggle at all, I’m just saying the experience is not the walk in the park like you suggest What exactly should I be looking inward at? I’m not a golddigger. I’m not demanding princess treatment. I’m not chasing 6/6/6 men. I’m not a #bossbitch. I’ve dated amputees, a deaf guy (I know ASL), guys with kids, a guy with a missing eye…I’m not exactly asking for perfection. Would love some suggestions, though. The reality is that lots more people suck than people who don’t. This applies to me…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 03:16 PM
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It’s really weird that you assume guys are going to be loving husbands So yeah…our point exactly..there’s nothing for women here 🤷🏽‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 03:06 PM
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So…men wanting more than a platonic relationship is women’s fault
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 03:03 PM
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It’s one-sided, though I don’t know why you’re pushing relationships we don’t want on us If you saw us as complete beings, you would know we don’t want men to consider platonic relationships with us as a way to make the relationship more than that Yeah, the solution is for women to avoid men because they want more than we’re interested in
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 02:58 PM
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Men factor personality into attraction Women factor personality into what types of relationships we’re willing to have with a guy The last part of the OP was talking about men being ignored We ignore men who we don’t have a reason to have any relationship (not specifically romantic) with Random guy at the store? Ignored Guy who sees me at the gym every day? Ignored Person I don’t know on a dating app who I don’t find interesting? Also ignored
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 02:45 PM
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The solution is for women to not get into relationships with men or have sex with them because we’re always to blame for whatever goes wrong Not having great sex? Woman’s fault Got pregnant? Woman’s fault Unhappy in the relationship? Woman’s fault And then men wonder why women aren’t jazzed to date men
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 02:41 PM
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Ignoring how much of a nightmare this situation would be in reality… I would fuck all of them, given that I’m attracted to them I would avoid anything beyond casual sex Men already want to blame women for caving to pressure from men when we don’t want something and say we’re responsible for judging men’s characters…so I wouldn’t even consider relationships because I don’t need to be told I’m to blame for a relationship I’m not happy in
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 02:38 PM
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He’s not, but neither of us speak for all women One sample does not represent all Statistics are an approximation of reality
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 02:28 PM
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This is such a weird comment on the sub where men tell women we should stand our ground if we don’t want kids And then immediately blame us for caving to relationship pressures You’re just trying to pressure women to get into relationships we don’t want to, so you can blame us for any unhappiness we experience in relationships with men
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 02:23 PM
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What you want is not automatically what everyone else wants You can have the guys trying to date me…I don’t want them
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 02:20 PM
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It’s all talk until you’re in the situation We all envision ourselves as the perfect version of us, but also have a tendency to rationalize our actions when we don’t live up to that idea in our heads
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 02:13 PM
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It’s weird when men say this because it’s supposed to be up to other people to determine that your traits are positive
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 02:10 PM
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A lot of men try pressuring us go for ugly men, though The inverse should also be true, but guys 2 points below a woman’s SMV seem to have no problem expecting her to be interested
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 02:07 PM
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Personality and attractiveness are two different dimensions when it comes to women being interested in men Men have more of a tier list that they sort women into Women have more of a 3x3 grid with attractiveness & personality along different axes that we sort men into The friend zone is high personality (the good guy dimension) and low attractiveness (the bad boy dimension) It’s possible to be both, but men focus too much on one, thinking it will be all they need Yes…~80% of men are disqualified…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 10:05 AM
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Kinda just sounds like you want us to be interested in you when we aren’t Men have it harder than women, sure I’m not going to fuck random men just because they tell me how rough it is out there It’s not a walk in the park for us, either Dealing with men in the dating pool is lots of quantity, rarely any decent quality I don’t ask for model facial structure, or for guys over 6’, or for guys who make 6 figures, or for a guy to buy me stuff, or for a guy to pay for everything It still sucks shit t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 09:51 AM
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I mean…I’m glad you get it So many bad experiences with men has made me just only want men around for casual sex I’m not ugly and I try to make it a good time for both of us so we can have fun another time Men ruin it by trying to date me when I don’t want that
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 09:42 AM
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We all define what we find desirable It just seems a lot of men want women to find them desirable when we don’t I get that not every woman is desirable, either All I can do is make myself as desirable as possible
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 09:37 AM
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I already aim for 50/50 in the relationships I have — largely because it makes me uncomfortable and also that so many men use it as leverage material to pressure me for sex (I like sex, just don’t “I paid for dinner after refusing to split the bill, lemme smash” to my face right after) Many women want their cake and to eat it, too…so I doubt it will ever end up in that cultural shift entirely, unless generations make a conscious effort to not hold on to the practice It miiight become more of the…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 03:23 PM
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The pressure is definitely weird in my experience from a different angle I’m not tall, I’m not fat, I’m not a standoffish #BossBabe, I don’t think men are “scum / trash / dusty”, I’m not complaining about men not dumping $hundreds+ on a first date, I don’t have an OF and am lucky I’ve never had to do sex work I’m 5’3”, young, baby faced…not ugly, according to feedback, large boobs, big butt, small waist, size 6 S/M, Asian, “girly girl “ voice (it’s high pitched), I’ve gone 2-3+ years at a time w…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 05:40 AM
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I’m 5’3” and I only care that he’s my height or taller I’ve dated 5’4” through 6’6” Guys who make being 6’+ their entire personality are annoying, but I understand that other women have made this a selling point,so I don’t blame them for that No current boyfriend and don’t really want a relationship anymore…it’s not easy for women, either Being alone isn’t the death sentence men make it out to be
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/23 12:03 PM
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They can be the same, though they’re usually different Men tend to have higher standards “to have a family” and lower standards (meaning they will take the best available) “to fuck” Women tend to be the opposite — higher standards “to fuck” and lower standards (meaning they are more willing to accept flaws) “to have a family”
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 04:03 AM
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Most other women don’t like huge muscles He also doesn’t have a pretty face…I go for like actual lumberjacks with rugged looks
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 10:03 AM
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The bad boy is sexually alluring for short term interactions with men The good guy is romantically alluring for long term interactions with men Yeah, it’s about attraction…what’s your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 11:18 PM
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I don’t think this is 100% true I met a super hot guy who was only with a few women…it was an awful experience and I dated him for a while…but the sex was horrible and I lost all interest He was willing to learn, but couldn’t really integrate it in the bedroom
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 11:10 PM
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Harry Styles is ugly AF, though What you mean is women who go for pretty boys Women go for different niches of men
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 11:07 PM
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From what I’ve seen, a lot of Indian guys are super awkward and weird I’ve seen some hot ones here in the states, so 🤷🏽‍♀️
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 01:00 PM
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It’s a movie, but also…it doesn’t matter how hot Ryan is if she doesn’t want to deal with him I would turn down Ryan in real life (I live in LA) because he’s not my type (too skinny for my taste) I turn down guys other women go for all the time because at the end of the day…I deal with men I want to, not ones who make great fashion accessories Not all of us care about looking good with a guy in public
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 11:47 AM
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Ryan isn’t that attractive in the face His body is nice, though
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 11:43 AM
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Men have marketed anger as “not an emotion” Men’s anger —> violence, wars, road rage, sports / competitive aggression, inceldom Men’s fear —> bigotry, nationalism, conspiracy theories, “big gubmint’s out to take muh guns!” prepper libertarianism Men’s sadness —> depression, epidemic of loneliness, suicide Women are more social and expressive, sure
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 07:36 AM
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I’m talking about relationships in general, you’re talking about marriage divorce
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 07:18 AM
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They’re separate dimensions and men see them as opposites for some reason It’s possible to be a bad boy (masculine, dominant) AND a good guy They don’t invalidate each other…guys just tend to invest in only 1 for some reason
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 07:16 AM
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I mean…I kind of agree with most of what you said I think if men and women agree to leave each other alone, that counts as cooperation, no? Yeah…I tolerate most men…that is pretty accurate
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 07:08 AM
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Single women without children are by and large the happiest demographic of women in many studies
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 07:03 AM
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I really like this idea because then I never have to be approached by men in public And I probably would never approach a guy in public I see this as an absolute win
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 06:58 AM
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Society does decide what is moral At its core, morality is “what is good for the health of society” It’s usually demonstrative rather than decided arbitrarily like you suggest
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 05:33 AM
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I think the main difference is that women are allowed to express emotions socially and so we love fully and deeply — like fireworks, we tend to show it all, but there’s not always a sense of “more to come” because we’re allowed to be transparent and present with it Men tend to be less expressive and for them, love seems to be more of a slow burn that gets more intense with time — for men, there’s a sense of “more to come” because they don’t acknowledge or handle their love well, and it creeps up…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 05:27 AM
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Women usually try a bunch of avenues to try and make things work Men brush off our concerns and not take issues seriously Women then approach our social support and process the emotions Women then develop an exit strategy because even the nicest men can be violent r/whenwomenrefuse Men are blindsided because the things the women wanted them to take seriously were ignored and we see no more options Women move on Men then have to process the emotions by themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 05:12 AM
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All relationships should be conditional They become abusive, they steal / lose money, they cheat, they do drugs All grounds for ending “love” It could be that women are better at hiding things from men and thus men stay longer because they’re less informed Or that men settle in too quickly and don’t bring enough passion to the table to keep her happy I’m not condoning cheating because cheaters are scum, but relationships do change with time and not everyone should be in one
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 05:09 AM
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I would say that part of this is men not being socialized to value their appearance as much as women — men could have skincare routines, better grooming, dress well, wear cologne well Most of these analogues are common topics for women because we’re socialized that our value rests on these A LOT of men want an attractive woman, but are not attractive themselves — whether or not she’s “a perfect 10” (or delusional), the average woman is still going to be constantly improving her looks The workfor…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 04:58 AM
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Men want to be physically lusted after IN ADDITION TO romantically lusted after Most women only romantically lust after men and think men should be happy with only one kind (romantic) In fact, men feel extremely fulfilled if they receive both kinds or lust because it makes them feel like the whole package If I didn’t have physical lust for a guy on top of romantic lust…I’m very aware that he’s not “the whole package”
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 04:32 AM
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Not everyone is demisexual It’s a bit like insisting that your personal values should be more important to other people than their personal values I’m a woman who is not demisexual, so it’s a bit frustrating how often I’m drowned out by the majority of women on topics like this
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 04:27 AM
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r/whenwomenrefuse
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 04:18 AM
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Men on here talk about marriage as a financial risk Women on here talk about men becoming deadbeat dads No marriage & no kids seems to benefit all
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 10:28 PM
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This is more being a dependent with income than anything Speaking as a single woman, the main benefit I see is not having to do things in a relationship that cost more money I can have casual sex when I need to and don’t need to go on a date (I split the bill because men will hold it against me if they offer to pay) and can jump in bed if I need that itch scratched Other than that, I can spend money on what I want, which means fewer gift expenses (I tend to buy guys gifts when I’m in a relations…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 05:49 AM
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Personally, I don’t think men should have to be obligated to lead a relationship If I like a guy, I make it clear with my words and I have no problem asking him out I like that men & women have to both be direct and equally initiate relationships The solution to dead bedrooms is staying single and having casual sex with protection & birth control I’m also not interested in being in a relationship, so guys being encouraged to lead is actually an issue for me because I would rather just not be tal…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 05:32 AM
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Redpillers only see women wanting bad boys Bluepillers see women wanting good guys Women want bad boys who ARE ALSO good guys They’re two different dimensions
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 05:01 AM
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I mean, we do that and then men complain that women don’t want relationships 🤷🏽‍♀️ And men get mad when we think most of them aren’t worth dealing with That’s the reality
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 04:54 AM
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While ignoring the man who made clear he wanted the baby, had a hand in making that possible, and now is not living up to the lifelong responsibilities…you’re awfully quiet about him
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 04:53 AM
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You’re completely ignoring the man wanting a kid and saddling a woman with the responsibility
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 04:48 AM
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Schrödinger’s woman “I want women for a loving relationship, but women are incapable of loving relationships!” So you don’t want anything from us women and will leave us alone? COOL!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 04:45 AM
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In English, this is called an implicative subject The topic (OP’s post) is men who abandon their children To quote many men, “not all men” is a common context If the phrase is “men can get rid of 100% of deadbeat fathers by…” It is directly implying that men would eliminate deadbeat-ness by not being deadbeat It is not “blaming” men, it is reiterating that men have control of being deadbeats or not But we could pretend that you’re not totally just sealioning
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 04:42 AM
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“Men, you can do drugs and have kids and not have to take care of your kids at all!” Is a weird fucking way to make having kids 100% women’s fault, again
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 04:23 AM
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Adults definitely bully each other all the time…that doesn’t stop just because they got older Adults literally KILL each other, yet you’re out here like “but they don’t bully anymore, though” Troll
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 06:46 PM
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It’s just weird to be proud that he has zero experience and is trying to talk about something without any firsthand knowledge of what needs to be done
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 12:39 AM
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Your entire pitch revolves around women wanting to be in a relationship
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 12:38 AM
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Um…upping the ante is a poker idiom…and it’s quite apt in this situation Sounds like you’re just sealioning Or, you’re being extremely meta and gaslighting about not gaslighting Or you’re a man sockpuppeting to make women look mentally incompetent So many spicy possibilities
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 12:23 AM
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I’ve had guys grope me in public — yea, even at a grocery store No, I wasn’t wearing anything revealing
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 12:33 PM
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But it’s two different groups of women I’m happy men don’t try to approach me outside of OLD I’m not in the group upset that they don’t make the first move
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 12:24 PM
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Except the entire term is actually coined by a movie in which an adult woman was gaslit Yes, adult people can be gaslit…gaslighting has nothing to do with maturity in a physical or mental sense and everything to do with manipulation Anyone can fall for manipulation — emotionally mature & intelligent individuals as well Gaslighting can drive anyone insane by virtue of how the manipulation tactic works
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 12:13 PM
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Right? I just want to be left alone No, I don’t want to go on a date or an expensive dinner or have a guy buy me shit I live in LA, I’ve turned down millionaires, guys who are well over 6’, or claim to have a huge dick — many times Unless I’m in the mood to get choked, spanked, and my mouth spit in…I don’t want anything from men — even guys I find hot bug me sometimes
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 10:40 AM
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I’m just being nice…he’s doing me a favor by fucking my brains out It just means I’m trying to keep the experience pleasant so I can get more sex Doesn’t mean I want to deal with him 24/7 I’d rather be that promiscuous busty 5’3” Asian chick with the big ass and small waist who goes to the gym a lot I already don’t give a shit about 99% of men, so I really wouldn’t care who dislikes said promiscuity I don’t care about men’s height or dick size or money, just be hot and don’t bug me when I’m not …
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 10:32 AM
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I’m just not really interested in romantic companionship with men Most are just looking for a bangmaid and I’m not really interested in becoming some guy’s second mom I will meet a hot guy for casual sex, suck his dick, ride his dick, back rub / massage him to sleep, cook breakfast for him in the morning if he has me stay over…but do I want a relationship with him? Fuck no
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 10:26 AM
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Why do want me to be in one?
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 10:14 AM
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Why tf would I be forced into a relationship?
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 10:13 AM
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Ah damn, guess I’ll just go celibate like all the other women who don’t want to get married I think you’d just create the 1960s all over again and try forcing women into relationships for survival
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 10:09 AM
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So…this just seems like forcing women into relationships with men
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 10:02 AM
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This kinda sounds awesome — I can have sex with men and not have to have a relationship Most of the rest don’t matter to me If hedonism or adultery means no casual sex (which would be weird because prostitution would be allowed), then I would just be celibate and not really bother with men
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 09:57 AM
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…and?
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 09:48 AM
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Not really…we actually don’t give a shit about 99% of men The matrix could glitch and replace most men’s appearances with the same, scientifically-average male appearance and most women would probably not really even notice unless they are paying attention That’s kinda what seems to make blackpillers mad…women don’t really care that most men exist and some men are mad that we don’t care about them existing
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 09:35 AM
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Why are you proud of virginity?
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 09:29 AM
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I dunno? I don't want the princess treatment Keep your money, I can get my own food, I don’t need massages or favors I just want to hookup with hot men and only text them for sex And not have to deal with men I’m not attracted to Pretty simple
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 09:25 AM
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I’m not really sure what the point of this post is Guys get really mad when I’m honest and say that 99% of men are invisible to me Even playing Devil’s Advocate, “yeah, so? People are dishonest to feel better about themselves…what difference does that make?” Let’s say every woman admits that she cares about looks AND throw in the bonus of women magically don’t think like we’re all attractive What would that change for you? Because most women would probably just think “I’m not attractive enough t…
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 09:16 AM
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I mean…”short ugly ethnic” guys could also SA us…what’s your point?
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 09:07 AM
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Wait…so I’m tormenting 99% of men because I checks notes want nothing to do with them? I’m not sure why you think you automatically deserve attention, dates, or sex from women (Women don’t automatically deserve attention, money, or companionship from men — just to be clear)
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 09:00 AM
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When we do that, guys get mad that they’re friend zoned Or do you mean that you feel entitled to dates & sex?
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 08:58 AM
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Sure, if you’re just looking for sex Men want a good woman (personality, genuine, likes them) who is a bad girl (sexy, attractive, horny) just for them = good woman + bad girl Women want a bad boy (attractive, dominant, excitement / dangerous) who is a good guy (invests time, provider, presents himself well) just for them = bad boy + good guy Just being good only nets you half of the equation and men often wonder why women aren’t interested in only having the “good” part EVERYONE wants the total…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 02:27 AM
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Women died of childbirth at extremely high rates until the 1950s
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 01:10 PM
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I mean…he’s not wrong…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 12:58 PM
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Let’s see Police for sure because of domestic violence and most are capable of power trips Finance bros / property management because they think money is everything and often have no soul Performers / actors / artists / musicians / entertainers / nightlife because it’s pretty much everything I hate (crowds, often loud music) and we’d never have anything in common…social media influencers are here Escorts or porn stars…I’m on the fence about a guy doing like an OnlyFans or something Nurse / physi…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 04:48 AM
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Anger is an emotion What you mean is men are marginalized when they show vulnerability
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 08:09 AM
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Men look at it as one or the other, when it’s really two separate dimensions where confident masculinity + sensitive guy are the ideal combo…and I have to agree, personally They don’t cancel each other out, like “gentle giant” If a guy is just confidently masculine, it works out short term…but he’s probably an insufferable jerk If a guy is just sensitive, then he comes across as a whiny crybaby or wet noodle, which are not attractive Hoe math put out a good video on it a few weeks ago, actually …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 07:51 AM
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TLDR: men’s social value is lowered by expressing emotional vulnerability — men who are stoic are praised, women frequently dismiss men who show emotional vulnerability as an “ick” Men are socialized on global scale to contribute to the people around them — to translate, male self-image is valued by how little of a burden they put on others It’s the same equivalent with women and being valued by our beauty — you can go against the grain of beauty standards, but it’s still an ingrained part of so…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 10:55 PM
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It doesn’t really parse into sex where men in a relationship pressure a woman to have sex Versus sex that is mutually satisfying
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 04:18 AM
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I didn’t say most men are attracted to most women
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 04:16 AM
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You brought up 50%…dunno why you’re asking about a number I didn’t say There’s a difference between “age preference of choice” and being physically attracted to someone You’re asking about points I didn’t make
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 11:01 PM
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So you’re saying we should just…pretend…to enjoy something that isn’t enjoyable most of the time
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 07:31 PM
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You say that as if most men don’t think about women as sex objects
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 07:29 PM
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Yes, because there’s no guarantee that the relationship lasts But there are plenty of men who consider having a past a reduction to a woman’s value
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 07:17 PM
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Ah, yes…women are to blame for men not encouraging us to want to have sex with them
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 06:53 PM
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I think a good part of that is how few men are sexually attractive to most women Ask a man how many times a day a woman he doesn’t know makes him sexually aroused Ask a woman how many times a day a man she doesn’t know makes her sexually aroused
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 06:47 PM
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I think I’ve done 2+ years between boyfriends I mostly just masturbate I would have casual sex more if I found more men who I thought were sexually attractive Physical touch isn’t my love language, so I don’t miss human contact at all — I can go for months without touching anyone
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 04:49 AM
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Whitney Houston said it best — “I’d rather be alone than unhappy” Kinda weird how many men see being single as some sort of punishment Women do better alone than men do, it seems
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 01:21 PM
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You don’t pay attention to the massive amounts of work women put into ourselves I’m a size 6 Asian woman and I still spend hours each week making sure I don’t have body hair Men only see the finished product and act as if it magically was always like that
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 10:05 AM
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It’s really more that men have lower standards because sex is more of a primal urge to men Men commonly admit that they will hookup with women they don’t even like out of horniness Women would rather be alone than unhappy Men would rather be unhappy than alone This leads to men accepting women below the beauty standard for casual sex Whereas women are — to the frustration of men — more adamant about not being flexible on the beauty standard for men If men weren’t so flexible, we wouldn’t be havi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 10:00 AM
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It’s one piece of the puzzle, not a cheat code Men think they only need the one thing
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 09:54 AM
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Well, he probably is not attractive or does not have enough resources / money / status for the women out there that he’s interested in The reason for the “don’t be a misogynist” advice is that often times when men don’t get what they want…they turn to misogyny to explain why they can’t get what they want The weird assumption is that the guy is doing everything right and somehow making it women’s fault for his lack of success For (casual) sex, you have to be in the top ~1% of men she has access t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 07:22 AM
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Men have successfully marketed anger as “not an emotion”
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 07:20 AM
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Plenty of that is done sober We could argue so many complaints from men about women are also drunk people stuff 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 09:59 PM
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Because men have rebranded anger as not an emotion Guys getting road rage? Fights at the club? Guys doing dumb shit without thinking about it? Macho bullshit? Fear of “if I do this, does it make me gay?” Repressed emotions? Somehow, “not emotional”
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 06:55 AM
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This is known as the vicious cycle between anxious (clingy) and avoidant (distant) attachment types This is SUCH a toxic combo that basically validates short term, but is extremely destructive long term Wanting someone who is blatantly codependent is a very bad thing
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 04:27 AM
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While also conveniently leaving out the systematic oppression of women
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 09:32 PM
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And…?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 09:23 PM
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But men will get mad when 80% of women want nothing to do with them 🤷🏽‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 09:17 PM
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There’s nothing inherently wrong with your sentiment But that doesn’t mean the women you see as 5-7/10 see you as a 5-7/10 OP is trying to ask why men below 8/10 want to be treated like they’re 8+/10
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 09:15 PM
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I mean, I can understand avoiding regular enlisted guys because they are often deployed long term far away and end up cheating But I date SOF guys who see combat and horrible shit so often that they are super committed to just finding a woman who will be there (they’re just not always well adjusted for basic things like communication or asking for help or being honest)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 12:42 PM
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I made a point that it’s not inherently misogynistic, so I won’t agree that labor jobs are inherently misandristic — meaning I cant answer it in terms of misandry I would say the most translatable thing to what you’re talking about would be a military draft for men viewing them as disposable over women Misogyny is often “women for the use of men” Misandry is often “a reaction to the lasting effects of historical female oppression” It is no secret that men have exerted control over women for thou…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 12:32 PM
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I would say men have to be above a much higher attractiveness threshold — meaning physical attractiveness AND/OR personal chemistry AND/OR resource power have to reach a higher holistic total The threshold for women being attractive is much lower, since it is largely just dependent on physical attractiveness being not terrible It takes comparatively less effort for men to retain their position above the attractiveness threshold — usually because what makes them attractive (money, looks, social s…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 10:31 AM
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Normally I agree with your comments, but I agree with the guys on this one…it’s harder to be attractive as a man
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 10:22 AM
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Definitely not bad for cuddling at all…muscles are soft when not flexed Muscles aren’t the problem with intimidation, it’s the personality behind it Tons of big guys are sweet and do everything they can to not be intimidating — especially when they know how likely they will be blamed or framed as “the bad guy” Tons of average guys are assholes with a chip on their shoulder trying to live up to some macho bullshit I say this as a short, petite, young looking woman who is noticeably attractive (is…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 10:14 AM
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And? What’s your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 09:55 AM
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Nowhere, really — I mean this as there isn’t going to be a simple answer to an inherently opposing problem Introverts & meeting new people are near polar opposites…it’s how introversion works Extroverts will meet extroverts and this will be more commonly known and visible — because that’s how extroversion works
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 09:49 AM
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It’s not all we have to do MANY men do not like being rejected You overestimate how many men just accept women not wanting them
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 09:39 AM
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Cool, we probably don’t want friendship with 80% of men What your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 09:35 AM
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So OP, it’s perfectly fine that I make clear that I don’t want anything to do with men I’m not attracted to? Because it seems like a lot of women like me do that and men are still unhappy that women are direct with not wanting anything from men The only time I’ve experienced women (myself included) being disgusted at men is when men can’t take “no” for an answer Your post’s premise is that these men are doing nothing wrong and that women as a group are entitled…rather than it being a vocal minor…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 09:23 AM
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I wouldn’t automatically say it’s misogyny, but it is a level of objectification Prostitution often exists because women have no other financial options to cover their expenses — primarily in women who are not even living above their means…it’s inherently exploitation, regardless of consent The fact that people who are close to you claim that you are misogynistic…leads me to believe you’re withholding context and probably negative opinions about women that you simply haven’t expressed in this po…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 05:23 AM
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No…that’s right Misogyny and paying for sex don’t automatically overlap, but doesn’t mean they can’t
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 05:10 AM
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But then when women do this as a group, guys get upset that they can’t find dates
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 10:59 AM
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While I agree with this comment You’re forgetting that he’s not always going to the the only guy interested in her Your premise relies on him being her only / first choice
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 10:57 AM
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I had to come back to this comment because it’s true 99% of guys into me just aren’t my thing
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 10:49 AM
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According to my results from igotstandardsbro.com my probability is 25% of men meeting my standards and I rank at 2 / 5 = down to earth Yet I would say the number of guys interested in myself who I would be interested in back is closer to 1% — largely because of how many men act like misogynistic shitbags Yes women suck — men suck, too — humans fucking suck in general Probably why no one wants to deal with anyone
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 05:45 AM
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I don’t understand her hatred of military guys If the world goes to hell tomorrow, I’d rather have a special forces boyfriend than some finance bro
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 04:30 AM
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That’s…what I’m saying — because she’s not unattractive she’s within the acceptable attractiveness range they will accept Desperation ONLY turns people off unanimously IF they’re below the acceptable attractiveness range
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 03:33 AM
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Both are misogynistic One group is attractive, the other group is repulsive 🤷🏽‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 09:34 PM
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You can’t compare women to men this way This is like how women dislike catcalling from men — the obvious thing that men overlook is how those catcalling men are mostly unattractive And trying to flip the script where men get catcalled (usually by very attractive women) and being shocked that they like reads notes attention from [attractive] women They have to be framed correctly because from an average guy — “desperation from a man below the ideal for most women in the dating pool” — is a bad th…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 06:26 PM
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Men — particularly ones who don’t get attention — love enthusiasm and will tolerate a level of perceived desperation or mental instability I’m assuming the less attractive men would be thrilled to have a woman above his range show constant interest
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 06:16 PM
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In my experience, that’s men — it’s a common complaint about men being lazy, weaponized incompetence, and women ending up being second moms because a guy just wants a bang maid
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 07:34 AM
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We could flip the script and say men want to be loved, but they don’t want to love Men want a bang maid / second mom who takes care of them Men don’t want a woman who doesn’t provide him something like sex or emotional companionship…what matters is her appearance, sense of responsibility she provides Once she stops being hot, he’ll just go find another hot young thing If a man pays for me on the first date, I just assume he wants to use it as leverage to get in my panties — especially if he refu…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 08:54 PM
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I mean…I like a lot of sex — a lot, still do I’ve personally ended relationships with men where it wasn’t because I stopped wanting sex (I’ve actually been the horny girlfriend of the guys who are burned out from work and sat there in lingerie after cooking for a guy and feeling useless that I can’t cheer him up) — but because men often just don’t want to put in work after a while I end up becoming a “bang maid” despite working (in STEM) as much as he does…I’m as tired as he is, I’m doing chores…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 06:43 PM
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Most of us are definitely selfish
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 06:30 PM
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Anger is a feeling
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 06:25 PM
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As long as he can financially support himself, I don’t really care how much he makes It’s more about his financial decision-making skills than anything — I simply don’t want to be a second mom or financial advisor to him I’m shallow, not a golddigger…I wouldn’t want to date someone who is a 4 in my book I would take an 8+ in looks over a 4 with a 7-figure income…I live in LA and have turned down some millionaires and finance bros who thought their money would let them in my pants…no effing way I…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 12:33 PM
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In my experience, really muscular / mean looking guys try more to be sweet and not scare me off While the average guy can have a chip on his shoulder and be abusive AF
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 03:08 AM
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For both sides of the aisle no shaming or being shamed for consensual behaviors, actions, or body count with previous and current partners 100% brutal honesty — no one is lead on or manipulated, no one tolerates behaviors that lead to resentment, attraction is 100% genuine no insults, violence, or destruction of life / reputation / finances / etc. for rejection or separation / breaking up My guess is that fewer people get into relationships, women have more casual sex, more hypergamy occurs, pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 11:15 PM
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I’ve found that it’s mostly A for women and mostly B for men I don’t really see the downside of having sex with hot men and I don’t want a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 10:09 PM
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OP, this is an extremely odd premise I see a cute guy at a the mall — and I leave him the fuck alone because I have no reason to introduce myself to random strangers I’m 5’2” and petite, there’s no reason he’d be threatened by my presence I like having hobbies that are mine, alone. I love doing archery with no men around! I don’t want to talk about that shit to a random guy Why the hell would I be trying to talk to random guys at a party? I would only be going if my friends are there — and they’…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 08:53 PM
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As a trans woman, he could just be meaning cis women
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 08:28 PM
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As a trans woman, I’m assuming he means cis women
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 08:27 PM
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Men: swipe right on every woman’s profile in their stacks Also men: “it’s women’s fault for not messaging all of us” What a wildly hypocritical way to acknowledge men swiping on more women than they can handle, but telling us we shouldn’t do the same thing These men can’t be bothered to actually swipe on women they actually like, be WE are the ones who have to treat men with “decency” OK…dumping the responsibility on women for a problem that men created
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 11:55 AM
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Kinda just sounds like you’re saying real women don’t want to match with you
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 11:51 AM
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Your entire premise is disingenuous You’re specifying “a fat out of shape” man A hot in shape older man is going to have advantages over a hot in shape younger man…primarily money and career A “fat out of shape” younger man will probably not have more advantages than a “fat out of shape” older man
/r/ExRedPill01/08/23 10:53 PM
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Possibly But I haven’t encountered a situation where I would pick a guy who claims he’s great at sex (since people overestimate themselves) instead of a blatantly attractive guy It’s a risk vs a safe choice
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 03:57 AM
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1 & 5 are feminine 2 is childish (not in the derogatory sense) 3 is fearful 4 & 6 are sexist You want a childish feminine person who is fearful and basically NEEDS a man around I match all of these things, but most guys who make it a point to focus on these are usually super creeps
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 10:51 PM
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As a woman, I don’t want men to pay for me because too many use it to try and guilt me into letting them use my body
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 04:14 AM
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I disagree on it being generally applicable to all women But some women absolutely only see men as these 5 things, sure — not exactly the type to spend your time on…but if she’s hot enough, guys will Works both ways like that Men can see women as: walking sex toys another mom / maid / secretary / personal assistant an emotional security blanket / trauma dumping ground collectible items a fashion accessory / pet
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 12:52 PM
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The Pareto principle (80/20 rule) is simply a safe estimation that is backed up by generalities There are other mathematical laws of parsimony (Occam’s razor) that are based on observational data — ex: the Crazification factor / Keyes’ Constant — an estimation that a rough total of 1 in 4 people are either crazy or answer in a way (the implication is sociopathy) purposely designed to mess with the data The 80/20 rule is more of a safe approach in estimation, it’s not to be taken as a hard rule W…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 09:39 AM
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I’m asking what purpose it serves men For women, it serves as protection in most cases
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 09:29 AM
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OK, but OP is talking about any talk show with an all female cast being considered a women’s only space We’re not talking about if every single sports show has an all male cast…don’t be obtuse
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 09:27 AM
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Cold approaches are just weird solicitations I don’t care how attractive you are or not — good sir — I’m just trying to buy snacks or work out or go about my day Kinda weird to make it out to be that not wanting anything to do with a guy is based on shallowness OP, your post just seems to be “women should just do what any random man wants to do with her” 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 04:32 AM
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This is the best metaphor for it that I’ve seen
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 04:25 AM
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So you just want a space where you can arbitrarily reject women from entering, fine But for what purpose?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 11:24 PM
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Reading your responses…you’re the one being obtuse
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 09:40 PM
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So…you’re agreeing that those men’s spaces exist (guys watching sports / playing video games) and you have no basis for rebuttal?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 09:28 PM
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Women’s spaces exist for safety I don’t really see how talk shows that have an all women cast counts as a space for women By that logic, sports talk shows count as men’s space because the cast is all men Plus most guys don’t want to sit down and watch TV to talk about men’s issues…they make podcast shows about that This not a problem so much as a lack of a market Several men-only gyms have done poorly because men don’t want a space without women in most contexts…lots of guys go to the gym to sho…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 09:24 PM
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Women aren’t a monolith I like Thor & big muscles and do everything I can to swat away skinny or soft boys in my inbox You just seem like like feminine presenting men, I like masculine presenting men We have different archetypes that we like The only real common feature is probably height
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 04:43 AM
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OK I’m going to assume that you’re a straight male Imagine every gay guy that you are not attracted to constantly telling you how much they want to have sex with you At some point, you just don’t want to hear it Their response? “It’s just a compliment” Gets fucking old
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 10:50 AM
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The best example is always gay men because it’s the only time straight men seem to understand what it’s like to get “compliments” from people you’re not attracted to
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 10:47 AM
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I agree I’ve had guys who I’m attracted to and hypothetically would date were I single try to pull this on me — one really hoped I would dump my boyfriend at the time for him and just…no I just reject gifts and gestures as a rule because some men try to use them to guilt me into things — they’ll say things about being “the man” and “the man pays” when I try to split the bill, but then throw it in my face later
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 08:34 PM
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For fuck’s sake OR Facial feminization surgery…but probably not in this context
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 10:44 PM
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Looking masculine ≠ being masculine Those things can be mutually exclusive
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 10:43 PM
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No, because while I’m passable — I’m still trans — and there are enough guys out there who would kill me in gay/trans panic I’m also short & petite, so I have zero defenses against even a below average sized man I have to rely on OLD to find men who are OK with my “transness” because of how dangerous it is for me to go outside I get rejected all the time on some apps, but I’m used to it from formerly being Asian in the gay community (I survived the “No fems, no Asians” era) — so there’s no “fear…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 09:47 PM
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“Compliments” on appearance right out of the gate are pretty gross Kinda weird that you think it’s OK
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 09:13 PM
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The very out there I would date are generally great guys The rest, I simply want nothing to do with 🤷🏽‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 04:32 AM
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It happens all the time Is this the advice that you give to people who’ve experienced those things?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 11:38 PM
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Depends on the per capita statistics for each Do you tell people who’ve had those things happen to them that they’re overreacting?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 11:38 PM
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People will literally shoot or stab people in public…being surrounded by people doesn’t mean anything
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 11:14 PM
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Close, but no Has little to do with being below average and more to do with “not being well above average”
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 10:04 PM
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This post is about two different groups of women
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 07:59 PM
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And yet women overwhelmingly report not being able to reach orgasm from sex
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 06:01 PM
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Big dicks are not nearly as enticing as men make them out to be They usually fucking hurt and not in a good way Most of the time, calling a guy’s dick too small is more meant to damage his ego than be a fair assessment of his size It’s the equivalent of calling a girl fat just to ruin her self-esteem…doesn’t necessarily have to be an objective truth
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 10:55 AM
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Jonah knew EXACTLY what he was getting This is entirely like being super into a stripper to the point where you want to date them…and then getting mad that they…are a stripper and are stripping and don’t want to stop Also, trauma can take years to recognize as trauma
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 10:50 AM
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I don’t think you understand how not great it is
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 06:01 AM
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As a woman, it’s exhausting
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 06:01 AM
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Too many people overestimate their personalities / humor / talents / appeal
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 05:36 AM
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There are caveats We can find sex easier — but the quality of sex and ability to orgasm is much lower than men’s We can find relationships easier — but that doesn’t mean the quality of men is going to be beneficial to us 🤷🏽‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 05:26 AM
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I actually would like to add onto this to ask for evidence — if a guy says he does something…ask for pictures Don’t have to be so direct about it, but mention you would like to see pics I’ve had guys lie to me and give all sorts of excuses why they don’t have any evidence of the things they said they do and almost all of the time it’s because they are just lying about it for whatever reasons I’ve had guys lie to me about their careers that they haven’t done in decades
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 05:54 PM
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Women: beauty - subgroups: youth - optional: the rest Men: resources - subgroups: skill / talent, social status, income, attractiveness, male privileges - optional: the rest This is speaking in an objective standpoint and not catered to any individuals
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 09:15 PM
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This is a no brainer Politics are based on values and most women would not want a man whose values are opposite of her to be inside her — unless he’s unavoidably attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 04:58 AM
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Not set unrealistic expectations The world is a shitty, unfair place — murder, rape, enslavement, trafficking still occur There are far worse things than being irredeemably ugly
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 07:04 PM
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As a strategy, being the second makes the first more realistic But in practice, I live with the second and I call it my curse…it definitely muddles the possibility of the first because so, so, SOOOOO many men will lie to me (about their life, what they do, their history, etc) because they want the first with me
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 11:38 AM
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It’s more that you’re just…really creepy
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 11:14 AM
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r/fatacceptance is what you’re looking for
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 11:55 PM
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I’m far too familiar with what you’re saying — extremely abused, grew up poor, parents were my first bullies That doesn’t preclude me from making friendships and putting myself out there
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 10:16 PM
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This reads more like one-on-one rejection from specific (very attractive) women and taking their rejection to = “women don’t want anything to do with me” When it could be overreaching + ignoring women in your own league
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 10:05 PM
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The example given was a sports team — the entire point of that activity IS to hang out Group activities where people literally do things like play a sport or do D&D campaigns or whatever spending time together often turns into hanging out beyond that — assuming you’re capable of getting along with people
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 09:53 PM
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Unfortunately, that’s the genetic lottery
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 01:47 AM
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The context is meeting someone in public so the best outcomes are a connection, the worst outcomes are literally predatory behavior like rape or murder This situation’s level of awareness must inherently cater to the worst outcome, not what the average dude feels about himself
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 07:07 AM
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You’re speaking in a different environment — the topic is approaching women in public, not divorce proceedings The Duluth Model is harmful to men and women exploit that, but stay on topic
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 07:05 AM
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This is less women-men and more dumper (tee hee)-dumpee (giggle) Men have a common problem with ignoring women and then being shocked that she leaves him — a lot of times they respond with “she’s just overreacting” which reinforces this point Too many men have this air of arrogance when women are unsatisfied, thinking that there’s nothing wrong and the relationship will be fine — because this is often the case — women will voice their unhappiness, men will say they will change, and often it just…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 04:25 AM
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Bad bot
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 04:20 AM
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Bad bot
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 04:20 AM
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Bad bot
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 04:20 AM
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I’ve literally had more than one guy try approaching me in a dark alley behind a club and wonder why I’m not feeling it So yes, some men are fucking dense
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 03:48 AM
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Your feelings on the matter are irrelevant, and if I’m to be frank, you’re giving off emotionally unstable, possible perpetrator vibes 🤷🏽‍♀️ This conversation is about making women physically comfortable and feel safe, not coddling men’s feelings — that’s why feminism is often described as believing women’s safety is more important than men’s feelings Avoiding possible danger > making random internet dude feel good about himself
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 03:45 AM
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You’re personalizing this way too much Men are taller than women ≠ all men are taller than all women Men are predators ≠ all men are predators Chill tf out
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 03:42 AM
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Let’s be real — for those of us who stand out, it all comes down to comfortable & uncomfortable An attractive man approaching a woman = comfortable An unattractive man approaching a woman = uncomfortable Glad we got that out of the way Now for the large group of people in the middle /average looks zone, this is going to depend on how safe or unsafe it feels to her Approaching in public at a social environment = safe Approaching in a dark alley = unsafe Approaching her after staring at her for an…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 07:49 PM
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Personally, I most admire the men who use their privileges and presence to the benefit or protection of others — be it stepping in to defend someone from physical violence / intimidation or discouraging other men from humiliating a woman with a single angry glare The ones who recognize patriarchal sexism and tip the scales are the truest of bros and give me hope when wading through a sea of guys who are jerks As for men’s struggles, the Duluth Model is a really huge problem — I’m tiny and I’ve s…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 08:41 AM
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r/justguysbeingdudes
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 08:15 AM
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Most dating interactions are no different than how it was like talking to your crush on high school…so stop making shit weird, guys What I want to understand is why men think “I am VERY interested in her, so she MUST be interested in me, back!”
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 11:44 PM
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The amount of comments trying to equate sexual dimorphism with promiscuity is wild Using that logic, men with low body counts would be overwhelmingly attracted to women with high body counts
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 02:15 AM
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Sexual dimorphism is a far cry from promiscuity…don’t be obtuse
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 02:13 AM
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Sexual dimorphism is a far cry from promiscuity One is genetic, the other is cultural
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 02:11 AM
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If I was gay, I’d literally be trying to have sex with other trans women Which I’m not
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 02:57 PM
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I really don’t wear too many dresses…guys usually just have me naked in bed
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 02:53 PM
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We get it, you’re a miserable fuck Don’t wonder why cis women want nothing to do with you either 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 02:45 PM
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Ah, attacking people for genetics they have no control over…you’re that kind Not that you asked, but intersex people like me exist — I have a uterus and ovaries and a penis and testicles — 46,XX/46,Xy chimera so your argument is really that I’m not allowed to exist
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 02:43 PM
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Plenty of people out there are trans attracted The same argument used to be said about gays and lesbians…and we’re all everywhere Transphobia in 2023 is just wild Besides, I’m a little bitch but you’re acting more like a little bitch than I am 🤷🏽‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 02:40 PM
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How? Petite 5’2” Asian trans women like me exist Splitting the bill is the easiest way to not let a guy feel like I owe him my body
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 02:34 PM
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OP, your post on top of your answers seem to signal that you have the social skills of a lawn chair Insist on splitting the bill or something if it bothers you Otherwise…you come across as pushy and creepy — hell, I’d pay for the whole meal if it got me out of the date faster
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 06:24 AM
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