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tbf every study on female short-term mating behavior show that the bar for physical attractiveness is higher when there is low to no investment, with attractiveness usually being defined by facial symmetry, masculine features, and sexual dimorphism and such. The conjecture is that it is to compensate for the high cost of parental investment for women in a potential pregnancy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 11:50 PM
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Yes but the issue is our society is built on top of a socialist ideal in terms of the distribution of sexual resources, ie monogamous marriage (not just natural monogamy due to resource constraints but socially enforced monogamy along with punishments for infidelity). This institution accelerated societal progress because most men had offsprings that they can be reasonably certain are theirs, and therefore have an incentive to keep the game going and a vested interest to improve the future envir…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 12:53 AM
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Never replicated in the sense that they got bought out and stopped publishing their data?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 10:58 PM
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And yet the verbal portion (ie 50% of the test) is entirely accumulated knowledge? And I dont know how much the test being timed matters when the subject is relatively easy. On top of that once your score gets into the 99th percentile it has zero ability distinguish between individuals. For what its worth I aced the math portion after doing 2-3 practice tests, and when I went to school in Asia I was a good student but far from the best. I can see it being reasonably accurate for maybe categorizi…
/r/BlackPillScience19/09/25 03:11 PM
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The average age of first marriage for men and women are 31/30 and average time of dating before marriage is 2.5-3 years. So it doesnt actually contradict the narrative of women messing around in their “prime” years of late teens and early 20s and then settling as they approach 30.
/r/BlackPillScience18/09/25 11:11 PM
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Im not sure SAT scores are that accurate as an IQ estimate once you get into the higher ranges. I immigrated to the US from an East Asian country and the math portion was literally middle school math.
/r/BlackPillScience18/09/25 11:06 PM
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The key word being “attractive”, which just means being attractive can to some extent counteract the depreciation caused by aging. But even then it depends on how old, and I would guarantee the quality of the men would also decrease.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 07:45 AM
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Sounds like something Venezuela should take care of if it is indeed a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 03:22 AM
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I guess my question is who is responsible for the inability of the average guy to generate attraction? Either the woman is attracted to you or she’s not, you can’t force her nor can she force herself to feel attracted. Is this a problem? Yeah it is — but only for the guy in question. Everybody would like to be treated like a rockstar, but for most of us it ain’t happening. If you think passport broing can solve all your problems, then by all means that’s what you should do. Ultimately everybody …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 03:18 AM
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I dunno what to tell you other than maybe despite their reduced dating pool you are still out-competed by other men? On top of that only marriage is 1 to 1, for casual dating on apps one guy can monopolize multiple women. And yes, women will always have more options than you. It is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 09:10 AM
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Not undateable no. But it does drastically reduce their dating pool. But even without factoring in children, just from an aesthetics perspective women are held to a harsher standard with regards to aging. IIRC, statistically speaking when it comes to age gap marriages, the older the man the larger the age gap. That doesnt mean everyone is Leonardo DiCaprio dating 20 year old models, but a 40 year old guy might go for a 33 year old, whereas a 60 year old man might go for a 48 year old woman, so f…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 04:19 AM
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Unattractive people in general struggle. But when it comes to dating unattractive men struggle more. That doesnt make the unattractive woman’s struggles invalid. But if you want to find an area in mating where women struggle more than men, I would actually say age/aging. The same biological reality that grants women more inherent value also depreciates at a much faster rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 02:18 AM
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LOL sorry I would sure hope their parents cant make them cum. Please dont edit the typo!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 04:59 AM
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I agree that its complicated. I dont necessarily agree that the majority of the time the husband is the root cause. Shifts in libido, life stresses (both inside but more importantly outside the marriage), children, changes in your partner’s appearance (more often weight gain), changes in attraction for whatever reason, mental health, physical health, they all come into play. And not all of the factors are under a spouse’s control. Not to mention that general laziness and complacency likely isnt …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 02:51 AM
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Same thing can be said for the trope of women stopping putting effort into sex post-marriage (and sometimes post-children) — lower frequency, no more oral, deadbedrooms etc. Gender difference in regards to sex aside, it’s kind of a circular phenomenon.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 01:02 AM
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https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1090513808001177
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 12:52 AM
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Exactly. It’s a competition not a negotiation. That said men are competing with other men for women, but women also do the same. It’s just that depending on the target the amount of effort required can vary.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 01:41 AM
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Women already have the same rights guaranteed by law, and in terms of results women are already getting college degrees at a higher rate than men, as well as outearning men in the under 30 demographic. In practical terms we should start with same opportunities (no DEI/preferential treatment/affirmative action for women) and same responsibilities (for instance military drafts) between genders in the public facing domains. If possible ideally we’d also equalize sentencing for the same crime betwee…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 01:56 AM
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tbh I think this is true for casual sex/short term relationships. Not counting casuals, most of my early relationships were between 1-3 months, with 6 months being the longest, and it’s basically all hook up first then relationships where I put in minimal investment until the girl gets sick of it and it fizzles out. Overall I’ve also probably have gotten more gifts from women than I’ve given prior to marriage (although I always pay on dates since I make decent money). In the spirit of making thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 05:18 AM
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tbf he’s not wrong that the dating market is amoral. Individually no one is dating out of some kind of moral obligation, and societally we no longer socialize sexual access (enforced monogamy + virgin marriages). Personally I like the modern paradigm, but obviously there are gonna be tradeoffs, with primarily unattractive men bearing the brunt of the burden.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 04:17 PM
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My thought is this makes perfect sense — if women also don’t accept dates unless theyre going to put out.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 04:21 AM
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It’s basic supply and demand. In large US metropolitan areas right now amongst the 30 and under population, women out-earn men in terms of both income and college degree. So if you are a male that is young, educated, and on track towards a good career, and assuming women have a strong preference to never date down in class and income, the gender ratio is currently strongly in your favor (assuming a baseline level of physical attractiveness of course). In mating environments where females out-num…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 04:01 AM
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I think if you are attractive/wealthy, today’s dating environment is much more efficient. Particularly if you are a man looking for hookups. For everyone else it’s probably worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/24 04:35 PM
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I participated in hookup culture when I was young, mostly from 17-24ish, and during that time it felt increasingly empty and pointless and eventually I switched to dating seriously. So extrapolating from that starting point, I wanna say on one hand with a 90% conversion rate the saturation point would likely come much faster, but on the other hand the guaranteed quality and ease of access would mitigate most of the issues with seeking hookups, so on the balance probably around the same length of…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/24 12:27 PM
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I dunno that anyone would argue that men don’t age. The argument is typically just that the window for men as viable mates tend to be longer — which is true, when using fertility as a criteria. I will grant that longer doesn’t mean indefinite, but also for men the decline is much more gradual. If we are talking about pure physical attractiveness, then I would say that women typically peak in the early to mid 20s while men in the mid to late 20s, although obviously alot of that has just as much t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 10:14 AM
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Because what’s left unsaid is the bar is low — for men that passes her looks threshold (and possibly her education threshold if young/career threshold if older).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 05:53 PM
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It’s the same topic. When the attraction is mutual then its never platonic for long. Which is my original point.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 04:57 PM
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You’ve never seen couples that were friends first then began dating? It happens all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 02:58 PM
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Most people do yes. But it’s also true that if an attractive girl offered sex to her single male friends most of them would go for it. So it’s never truly platonic.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 01:35 PM
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They can but its usually when one or both are unattractive/old. That or theyve done it and gotten it over with.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 11:38 AM
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Fair point. But also men whose wives out-earn them are 50% more likely to use erectile dysfunction drugs, and men who are dependent on their wives’ income are five times more likely to cheat. So if one is optimizing for marital satisfaction, the right answer is probably a wife who is as wealthy as possible if she didn’t make the money (ie trustfund baby), or same to slightly less if she does make her own money.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 01:18 PM
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Because wealthy men able to provide a luxury lifestyle is such a small minority and we live in a society that socially enforces monogamy, the fact that most women don’t have a partner like that doesn’t inherently prove anything. All else being equal I think it’s fair to say most women would prefer a wealthier partner to a less wealthy one, regardless of any “power imbalance” that may exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 04:00 AM
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Because the former is about virtue signalling/suppression of competition, while the latter is a universal preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 03:55 AM
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I think it’s true that it’s technically never over. But realistically it’s not so much any particular age but more the fact that if things never worked out for the guy for years and years, then he is unlikely to get different results without significant changes (barring luck). As far as changes go I’m referring to things like looks (hair/muscles/fashion), sociality, money and status, as well as things like dating standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 01:22 PM
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Women dislike being approached except when they want to be approached. The problem is it’s generally impossible for a guy to tell the difference. But yes, when you go for it anyways you best be confident and be above her attractiveness threshold.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 03:41 AM
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I have a SAHW. I’m not against my wife working per se but it’s just more convenient with us having three young kids. I pay for everything obviously but if we ever split I’d leave her enough to not have to work for the rest of her life if she’s smart with money. Every woman should make her own risk assessments when faced with such a decision. I would say though risks aside my wife enjoys this lifestyle significantly more than grinding 9-to-5.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 02:19 AM
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That reference is derived by research into the Y-chromosomal Adam with the mitochondrial Eve. So it’s basically just counting the genetic nearest common ancestors. There’s no way to “do a study” on male death rate over the entirety of human evolutionary history. Under 30 about half the men are single. Of the singles according to Pew research, 50% are not looking to date, 10% are casual only, 14% looking for relationships, 26% either or. So assuming those percentage are similar amongst the 18-29 …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 02:26 PM
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5 it doesnt seem like you disagree? 6 if you think most men are pathetic loser then why are you surprised that they arent desired?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 10:26 AM
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You are not owed happiness. Not all attractive people are happy. Happiness is not solely derived from sexual relationships. Happiness based on treatment from others are inherently fleeting. Happiness itself is a temporary state and isnt the end all be all. Most average men find love so it’s a skill issue. Everyone settles one way or another. Genetically we have twice the female ancestors as males — not all men are meant to breed. At least there are porn drugs and video games.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 07:03 AM
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Confidence absolutely matters to men, but just with regards to other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 09:00 AM
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Confidence >> competence >> survival. Easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 08:59 AM
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I’m also East Asian that moved from America to East Asia. If you’re defining value solely by income I own a business and make double to triple yours depending on the year (although Im also older at 40ish). Personally I am happily married with three kids and family building has been a more fulfilling experience than just about anything else I’ve done in life. I also know plenty of men that make more and almost all of them are also married with children. So in terms of what a woman can bring that …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 04:38 PM
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I mean, in theory it’s not a second family but rather one family just with a kid that isn’t biologically yours, so it’s no more taking time away from your kid than a bio sibling would. But yes in practice it’s hard to actually accept someone else’s child as your own. And for sure I agree with the OP that women like that shouldn’t date single dads (and even for women that can it’s not ideal). I’m not sure what you mean with the second part. Having a half sibling necessarily means the child will h…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 01:43 PM
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Moms certainly can and do leave. Less common to be sure though.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 01:28 PM
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A whataboutism is when you respond to an accusation with a counter-accusation. I did no such thing and merely stated a fact in agreement with you that single dads don’t make for good partners. As to your second statement — I disagree. If a stepdad was proven to be a predator, the moral responsibility lie with the predator. Same for stepmoms that mistreat their stepkids.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 01:15 PM
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Did I say men dont mistreat their step children? Dont project what I didnt say.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 01:01 PM
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That’s only because simps are by and large unattractive men. Assuming two men that both pass a woman’s attractiveness threshold, but one offers more attention and resources than the other, it would be rational to choose the former.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 12:54 PM
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True. The wicked step mother trope has been around since time immemorial for a reason — many women actively dislike/mistreat step children. That said if we’re talking about “high value men” with children, then presumably with enough money one can mitigate alot of the problems. Seems like getting knocked up by a broke deadbeat loser would be far worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 12:49 PM
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I don’t disagree that younger women generally speaking are more attractive than older women. I dunno that I’d set the peak at 19 though — I suspect that’s more a function of the fact that western women, especially American women, are by and large overweight, and many start gaining that weight some time starting from around college.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 12:08 PM
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Agreeable. In practice it typically just means someone that is agreeable. Not bowing in subservience or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 12:02 PM
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The logic is simple — all else being equal, the person more willing to lower their price gets the sale. This isn’t about analyzing tbe competition between individuals where a significant gap in attractiveness exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 12:00 PM
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This is irreversible in the same way that things like climate change is irreversible, simply for the fact that it doesn’t affect people in the present and requires a total mobilization of the population to fix. The only real solution will be technology — replacing the loss of productivity with AI and robotification and such, and perhaps denser urbanization to increase resource efficiency.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 11:54 AM
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Male simp shaming is the equivalent of female slut shaming. People are just mad that others are driving down the market price of the goods they’re peddling — attention and resources from males and sex and affection from female.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 11:42 AM
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Whenever your proposition begins with asking all members of a demographic to do something, you know it’ll never work. Ultimately it just comes down to tragedy of the commons/prisoner’s dilemma — even if somehow alot of men do as you say and drop out from the rat race, the minority of men that don’t will just dominate the sexual market due to lack of competition. And then the rest will see that and just revert back and the race to the bottom continues. And this is before we even factor in the fac…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 10:28 AM
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If you’re just talking about biology, then it’s definitely true relative to women. That doesn’t mean it’s optimal or ideal though, as sperm quality and quantity do degrade as you age. Socially and romantically, you definitely don’t get any more physically attractive past your late 20s early 30s generally speaking. The idea is you can in theory accumulate wealth/status over a longer period of time and make up the difference, but how that works out will vary based on ability and circumstances. In …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 06:38 AM
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The short answer is men value quantity and women value quality. That said having sex (not relationship) with other men’s wives is definitely a persistent phenomenon, and there are certain men that do this serially. But the primal motivation there isn’t because she’s been vetted as a good partner but rather it’s a chance to procreate without paying the childrearing cost.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 06:29 AM
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Power is attractive. Money implies power. So youre right in the sense that the number in your bank account isnt inherently sexy. But if people waited on you whereever you go, if you have staff and servants and employees, if you network with powerful people, and if you are clearly high status as signalled by your lifestyle and possessions, there will be alot of women that find that attractive. Alternatively if you dont care about true love and just want sugar babies or trophie wives or high end e…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 02:41 PM
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For a majority of men, and I’d argue for a plurality of women, appearance (while far from the ONLY factor) is the single biggest factor, especially during the early stages of dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 04:11 AM
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The framing of your question is kinda weird. So option 1 is the potential of divorce, vs option 2 is the certainty that all good men are gone (and thus only bad men or singledom)? Then I guess option 2 is always gonna be worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 04:06 AM
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I wanna say the difference is in a strictly transactional relationship, the woman has no moral or psychological obligations to the man outside of the agreed upon parameters of the transaction, and the agreement can be cleanly and unilaterally ended at any time. But in an actual dating scenario, there are alot more implicit expectations that come with the territory, and as such psychologically there is alot more on the line for the woman. So in that sense the power dynamic is maybe perceived as b…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 04:02 AM
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lol. I didnt realize Ive been collecting souls this whole time.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 03:52 AM
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That’s not what he asked.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 03:50 AM
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Alternatively just sedate low tier men with porn drugs and video games. Much more cost efficient.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 12:14 PM
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Good for you? I dunno why that’s relevant to what I said. Yes men regardless of age likes younger women. It’s nothing new.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 12:10 PM
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I think it’s fair to say that men would too if they could. But unfortunately we are the expendable gender thrown into the meat grinder when shit hits the fan. It’s an effect of both explicit evolutionary biology and implicit social contract. But I think at least in western societies the social contract part is in need of an update.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 11:13 AM
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For marriage, absolutely. But for casual relationships men have a much bigger range.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 01:41 AM
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I never claimed any cel-ness. I’m just saying being attractive gives most of the results. Money/status/sociality matters but not nearly as much. Especially sociality (game), since if you are attractive the initial contact will generally be default open and receptive, and everything you do or say will be interpreted in the best possible (or at least baseline positive) light. At least in my experience. YMMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 02:55 AM
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Not when youre a kid.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 11:52 AM
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I grew up a fat nerdy kid and got rejected by women socially let alone romantically. Around 14 I started playing sports, around 15 I started working out hard, and by 16 I grew to 6’2 and was reasonably muscular, and my face became much more attractive due to weight loss. Just being tall and fit alone got me alot of attention from women, especially once I hit college. During my early 20s I had a clubbing phase when my bodycount really exploded. I started making six figures by my mid 20s and while…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 11:27 PM
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The biggest misunderstanding of the Redpill actually comes from the fact that a very low percentage of men that talk about it actually try it at all. Going to the gym, making more money, and learning to be social is hard. Easier to whine about women on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 11:03 PM
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I’m sure it’s fine for some men. But I would wager the majority of men at some point want connection and family. Personally being single into the grave sounds absolutely awful, but to each their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 04:29 AM
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Men love sluts. Just not committing to sluts.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 04:26 AM
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Women absolutely need men. It’s just that all the masculine functions have been either socialized (military/police/etc) or capitalized (construction/production/etc). And tbh its probably a net positive, but it’s also true that bottom-tier men disproportionally bear the consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 04:11 AM
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All modern humans have something like 2 female ancestors for every male ancestor. We’re nowhere near the bottom.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 04:05 AM
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Except sex with attractive women is inherently enjoyable.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 01:14 AM
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Point of clarification: men typically aren’t replacing their hand with attractive women, because those are rare and valuable; men replace their hand with mid and sometimes unattractive women. Most men are not swimming in options, and typically an attempt at relationships will always be made if the woman is sufficiently attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 12:59 AM
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Pretty based take tbh. The only real counter would be the “long term negative effects on society” line of reasoning, which IMO is too nebulous and most humans operate based on maximizing their short term interests irregardless of its effects on “the society”. That said if maximizing choice and freedom is what we’re aiming for, we’d need to also legalize polygamy and eliminate welfare, child support, and alimony. As is we as a society is essentially subsidizing the downsides of poor decision maki…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 03:14 AM
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Again — there’s no scientific definition for “maturity” that applies across the board for brain development. The different parts of your brain will continuously change over time both in terms of growth and decline, and as such there is no such thing as a set time when your brain is “done developing”. For instance word recall peak in the late 20s, but verbal fluency peak around 50, subtraction around 40, numerical problem solving around 45, number sequence under 20… etc. It’s not the case that 18…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 10:39 AM
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The 25 year old number being some magical demarcation point is just pop science. In reality the major surges in neural development happens around 6 years old then again around puberty. Yes for many the prefront lobe continue to develop into the 20s, but every area of the brain continue to change throughout life, some even into the 90s. There is no actual definition of maturation and the only thing we know for certain is individual varaibility is HUGE, with brain scans showing some 8 year olds to…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 05:39 AM
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Probably if shes hot enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 06:12 AM
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No hair preference. No eye preference. No height preference for STR. 5’6-5’11 for marriage. Slim and fit build. No income preference if sufficiently attractive. No job status preference but no sex work. No hard preference but ideally single digits. No hard preference but ideally single digits. Atheist/agnostic. Straight. Younger. 22-40 for STR. 22-33 for marriage. No political preference so long as logical.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 06:10 AM
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And women liking older bigger taller provider men is obviously daddy issues and hence incest! /s
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 05:58 AM
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The children IS the benefit. But if you don’t like children, you shouldn’t have kids anyways, so it’s really a moot point.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 05:54 AM
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It’s not that complicated. Most of these men were locked down when their wives were pre-wall and at peak sexual value. Then they got married and built families which incentivise them to stay together. When RP talks about younger women being more attractive, they typically just mean sexually. For marriage/LTR the equation is different, and the most hardcore RPers dont even advocate marriage. And this is not to mention alot of these men have the best of both worlds, having a wife and kids at home …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 11:45 AM
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No, on the off chance that the apocalypse happens and as one of the lucky survivors I am morally forced by my duty to the species to repopulate Earth.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 08:01 AM
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If I only showed you pictures you wouldn’t be able to tell. That’s what I mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/23 05:04 AM
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I don’t remember the exact stats but I recall that autistic men in particular has an extremely high lifetime singles rate. Many if not most never figure it out. That said autism has a strong hereditary component. As such it is unfortunate but unsurprising that many autists get weeded out by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 06:53 AM
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Can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard some variant of “you are good looking… for an Asian” when dating in the West. When I moved to Asia though dating became easy mode, no monkey dancing required.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 06:44 AM
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Yes, black men that prefer other races exist. But instead of focusing on that 10%, look at the other 90%. And before blaming colorism, I’d have to ask if you are looking for a guy that’s top 4% in height, whether you have a top 4% figure. Men want lots of things in a woman in terms of physicality, and skintone is just one factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 06:16 AM
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Nearly 90% of black husbands in the United States have a black wife. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interracial_marriage_in_the_United_States
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 05:48 AM
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Of course it is possible, you just have to go for men with limited options. Since intelligence is what you are looking for, I’d say go for smart guys that are below average in facial attractiveness, height, fitness, status, and income. However if you want a high SMV man that would accept an unattractive woman, then I would say that’s not technically impossible but certainly highly improbable, and thus unrealistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 05:42 AM
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I don’t think it’s true that black men aren’t attracted to black women. The great majority of people date within their race, even when looking at the demographics of people with the highest outmarriage rate (black men and Asian women). In terms if height, given that you are the one with the height preference, I think you should be able to answer your own question on why it matters. I will say though that 80% of black women are overweight to obese, and 72% of black children are born to single mot…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 05:35 AM
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Welcome to the real world.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 12:46 AM
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Resources for sex has always been a huge component in human mating behavior, and successful men that date hot women understand this. The only men that get upset about this typical don’t have money to begin with. That said this doesn’t justify cheating — in a relationship that’d be breaking a social contract and in a marriage a literal contract. I can also say that attractive women that leverage their looks to date successful men shouldn’t be surprised when the men cheat when her looks fade or wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 01:42 AM
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That’s true. Increased population would increase the probability of finding a same race prospect.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 11:55 AM
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Nah. The real reason is that first generation immigrants generally have far lower out-marriage rates than the successive generations. A large influx of fresh immigrants skew the percentages.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 07:00 AM
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You’d have to narrow down the scope of your inquiry to determine whether or not specific parts of redpill have scientific validity, due to its nature as a compendium of mating strategies and holistic self-help advice rather than an internally consistent scientific theory. Personally I would say the most scientifically ironclad portion of redpill is in looksmaxxing, both in terms of methodology and its effects. The status/moneymaxxing portion is more economics than science, and it depends largely…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 03:14 AM
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13% is waaaaay higher than I expected. TIL.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 02:56 AM
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That depends on which slice of history you are looking at. The last 2000-3000 years during which most men also don’t have much political power? Or the totality of the 200,000-300,000 years of our evolutionary history? I’d have to imagine that gender dynamics operate very differently when humans consistently operate in small groups of between 12-150 people.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 02:53 AM
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Options: 1. Increase your SMV. 2. Aim low. 3. Do both. 4. Do neither and make peace with yourself. Ultimately that’s all there is.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 02:41 AM
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Looks photoshopped.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 06:36 PM
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Itachi is more my jam.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 06:32 PM
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You mad bro? I thought it was pretty fucking obvious what I was saying. And I’m not making excuses. I’m saying it’s not for everyone nor is it accessible to everyone. Finally, yes, an Asian American man very well could have more cultural affinity with a white American woman than a random Asian woman from Asia. Not a hard concept to understand. A black American likewise probably have very little in common with a random African aside from skin color.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 05:47 PM
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I mean I can’t speak for black men. But as can be inferred from your own OP, for minority males to date white females it is objectively more difficult than dating within their own race, and therefore it does send a stronger signal as a value indicator.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 05:18 PM
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Because Asians in America have the least amount of cultural power and the smallest population.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 04:53 PM
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My point is dating is generally speaking local, and there is also a cultural/linguistic barrier on top. A billion Asian women existing on the other side of the globe doesn’t mean they are accessible. It’s not like black incels and leftover women are flying to Africa for mates.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 04:48 PM
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So when I say “culturally specific” somehow you read that as “innately biological”? And I’m not sure what you qualify as “environmental”, because even when you control for socio-economic status the results are the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 04:44 PM
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Yes because in the US white culture is the dominant culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 04:40 PM
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Are you saying that’s specifically a black women dynamic different from women of other races? Because the stat I cited is uniquely an extreme outlier compared to every other race, and as a non-black person there certainly seems to be something culturally specific going on there with black female mate selection.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 04:34 PM
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It’s not white supremacy per se but dominant cultures in general. Same thing happens in Asia with for instance Korean men impregnating Filipino women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 04:21 PM
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Is that actually what’s happening or are black women on average mostly into a certain type of dudes? 72% of black babies are born out of wedlock so somehow it doesn’t seem like most black women are having kids with well-to-do black nerds.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 04:17 PM
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By that rationale African American women that have trouble dating should just go to Africa.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 04:11 PM
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lol. Other than Nordic countries it’s not like the rest of EU are exactly towering over everyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 04:09 PM
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I didn’t bitch about anything so no need to project. Some men don’t mind dark women just like how some women don’t mind short men. Yet if your advice is for those men to “date tinier women from their ancestral land”, then it seems to me that dark women should be doing the same thing by your rationale.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 03:11 PM
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Overweight is unattractive, whether slightly or by alot.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 02:53 PM
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Dark women can just date even darker men I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 02:42 PM
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I’m 6’2 as well and while I date shorter women I would not marry them lest I taint my children with their short genes.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 02:38 PM
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It absolutely works — if you are attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 10:16 AM
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It depends on who you mean by “us”. Between redpillers and feminists? Probably not. Between men and women in general? I mean most people are still getting paired up and living their life.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 02:37 AM
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Not that weird. For instance if your wife gains 100lb after marriage and you no longer find her sexually attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 02:08 AM
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Right. Because anecdotes are so much better as evidence. /s And if you are just going by numbers, there are way more feminists than there are redpillers.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 11:01 PM
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I think 6ft is just a nice round number. I live in East Asia where the women are significantly slimmer, and here the standard is usually 180cm (about 5’11), which is also just another arbitrary round number.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 11:33 AM
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What does that even prove? You need to be average height, ie not short, AND be extremely attractive and well-endowed to make up the difference. If anything that shows how important height is more, not less.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 10:17 AM
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Incorrect. I live in East Asia and height matters possibly even more and weight standards for women are significantly more stringent.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 10:14 AM
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lol. So to make up for a TWO INCH difference all you need is to be significantly superior in literally every other relationship criteria that matters. I don’t think you are making the point that you think you are making.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 10:10 AM
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The only people that actually believe that we live in a meritocracy are children.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 03:21 PM
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I think I was probably a dick to more than just a couple of girls. In any case I’m not trying to litigate moral culpability per se, just that I probably could have handled things better and been a more decent person.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 03:17 PM
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I took redpill to its logical end and found it wanting.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 01:37 PM
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By romantically involved I meant specifically LTR. My wife is also my best friend as well as life partner. I think I might be psychologically damaging them because most of them clearly wanted me to LTR them. Dragging it out would just be wasting their valuable youth when they could be meeting other men, and it clearly was hurting them when I date other women. A couple of them outright told me they felt they were being used, even though I was pretty clear what the arrangement was and thought we h…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 11:59 AM
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I think redpill works for a good percentage of men in the middle. I’m somewhere in between blackpill and redpill.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 07:06 AM
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Yes and no. Redpill both as a community and as a collection of ideas doesn’t have fixed boundaries and is continuously evolving. You go back 5 years and there wasn’t nearly as big a focus on holistic self-improvement and mental health as today. At the same time some related ideas like the blackpill has arguably achieved escape velocity and became its own thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 06:24 AM
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I have a hard time picturing myself being best friends with a woman and fucking her regularly, and yet wouldn’t want to be romantically involved with her. But just based on personal experience, most of my FWB relationships ended because I care about them and I think I might be or will eventually psychologically damage them if the relationship continues. And just to be clear most of this is in my early 20s and figuring it out as I went. In retrospect there were alot of circumstances that I wish I…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 04:35 AM
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Yeah well “FWB” is just messy in general. In my experience there is almost always a power imbalance, usually in the man’s favor, and people inevitably catch feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 04:08 AM
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I’m 40 and about half of my male peers married either right out of school or within a couple of years. These are generally the healthy well-adjusted types with a stable career trajectory marrying a looks-matched woman within a similar socio-economic background. Of the unmarried ones, a small minority are indeed players that refused to settle down right away. Most though still end up married somewhere in their late 20s early 30s after they’ve had their fill. The rest are the leftovers. Some are i…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 04:02 AM
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It depends alot on the context of the affair, but generally speaking the cheater should get the primary blame, while the affair partner get secondary blame. The betrayed spouse may or may not have tertiary blame, depending on the circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 03:48 AM
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Self-improvement is what I consider the light side of redpill. The darkside is the adversarial mentality it can instill in framing dating as a game of men versus women, which in turn oftentimes degenerate into rage and misogyny, and in some cases outright nihilism. You’re most likely not going to find happiness perpetually spinning plates, and for most people the ideal end-state isn’t indefinite soft harem maintainence. Redpill should be a means to an end, and not an end onto itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 03:38 AM
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I agree. The manosphere is full of men that are redpill aware but non-practicing, and is instead stuck in the purgatory of perpetual anti-feminist circle jerk.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 03:31 AM
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I mean… “good sex” is a giant caveat to put in your claim. I don’t know about other men but for me truly good sex requires powerful mutual attraction, and men don’t typically pump and dump women they are strongly attracted to. But if you find the woman not that attractive, you might keep her around as a booty call because she sucks a mean dick, but as soon as you find someone better you ghost or keep minimal contact, ie dumping. Not to mention the saying that “hell hath no fury like a woman scor…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 03:26 AM
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The Buffalo shooter that shot up a supermarket? He let one fat white guy go in between shooting a bunch of women and black shoppers.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 01:31 AM
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I haven’t participated in black friday in over a decade. I live a pretty minimalist life and only buy stuff I actually need, and if I actually need it I don’t bother waiting for deals.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 02:16 PM
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Very edgelord, if somewhat cliched.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 06:16 AM
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You don’t think just eating clean and exercising can greatly reduce a whole host of preventable diseases? Even cancer have a lot to do with lifestyle. And I moved from the US to a country with socialized healthcare (ie most countries), and I’ve literally never heard people complain about paying other people’s medical costs.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 04:53 PM
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She never asked for details but she knew I fucked.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 04:49 PM
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3 including me
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 03:48 PM
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I don’t keep an exact count but somewhere between high 30s to low 40s, most of which were STR/FWB with some ONS sprinkled in between 19-23 or so. After that I switched to LTR and after a few tries found my wife whom I’ve been with ever since.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 03:35 PM
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Yeah that’s what I’m saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 11:17 AM
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I’m still unconvinced. Does having a police force infantalize men because now they don’t have to learn how to defend themselves? Does having public schooling infantalize parents because now they don’t have to educate their own kids? As far as healthcare goes, I would argue that people generally have far greater control over their health than the actions of other people, their spouse or otherwise. And if we don’t police people’s behaviors on socialized medical plans, I don’t see why we’d do it fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 09:45 AM
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I guess I’m just having a hard time seeing why the elimination of paternity fraud wouldn’t be good for society. And I also don’t think other forms of social entitlements like social security or medicare has led to people policing the consumption behaviors or health habits of the elderly.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 08:29 AM
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Do you think we should have any sort of social safety nets at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 07:47 AM
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Problems begets solutions.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 07:14 AM
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I do, in an ideal world. In the real world my current position is that something like 2-5 years in child support might be an acceptable compromise. The woman gets some help at a time when she is the most vulnerable, and the guy gets to decide during that time his level of involvement. If he wants to move on he can, just sign away the rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 05:39 AM
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I think that argument lost decades ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 05:22 AM
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I mean I have an above average n-count but preferred and married a low n-count woman. It’s just not a dealbreaker but rather a soft preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 04:07 AM
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I think n-count is a subjective preference and alot of times it has as much to do with the guy’s own n-count as the woman’s. It’s hard to set an absolute number that is universally applicable. In real life I would say that it is similar to females looking at male height — most men don’t have a hard number but would generally prefer their partner to have a lower count than themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 03:53 AM
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I didnt say it looks better, I said it accentuates the face. Piercings and hairstyles are what I consider subjective preferences, so it depends on the individual/culture. Facial bone structure on the other hand is largely immutable and a much stronger and more reliable signal. Put it this way: does a muscular guy look better in a tanktop or a bespoke suit? That depends on your preference. But a tanktop will obviously accentuate your muscles more.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 03:39 AM
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It depends. Nose piercing can accentuate a hot face, but it can also make an average to ugly face more jarring. It’s kind of like a shaved head on a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 03:04 AM
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yeah well that’s all we got so.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 02:52 AM
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You have the right to celibacy. That’s it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 02:45 AM
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Paper abortion is not a thing in the United States. According to Supreme Court ruling in Dubay vs Wells the needs of the child supercedes any circumstances surrounding his or her birth. Basically it comes down to whether you get sued or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 02:33 AM
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I suppose it depends on your local jurisdiction. But in the United States at least, most states use genetics to determine legal parentage, and only sperm donation in a clinical setting is generally protected by law. In a private setting I’d imagine both parties would sign contracts, but it will not hold up in court if one party sues.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 01:48 AM
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If the n-count is a reasonable one, then yes I agree being her best could be more important. But if the count is something absurd and I just happened to be a sex god, then I probably would still have to think long and hard about committing. That said being a woman’s best is sort of a nebulous thing. She could genuinely think that you are her best because of the emotional connection you have at that moment in time, but change her mind the first time the boat gets rocked. N-count on the other hand…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 01:11 AM
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The primary downside is you would still be liable for child-support.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 12:55 AM
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Yes I am aware. Life is easier I guess when you have slaves for the domestic labor (unlike the women of other Greek states) and your maiden days revolve around getting fit and preparing yourself to have chad spartan babies.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 11:50 PM
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I think most of the dudes that think that are not actually practicing redpill. Reality is the strongest possible feedback we can get.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 11:29 PM
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Redpill isn’t inherently about building solidarity, as self-improvement is ultimately a selfish pursuit. But humans by nature seek solidarity as social animals.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 11:27 PM
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People don’t need to settle down with their equivalent in n-count. Just like how a male millionaire doesn’t have to date a female millionaire.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 11:19 PM
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Neo-colonialism and wage slaves.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 11:07 PM
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You know what we could learn from Sparta? Mandatory exercise for not just the men but women as well. Spartan women were famously robust and attractive amongst the Greeks, largely due to the physical regiments they go through from an early age. According to Plutarch, Lycurgus the law-giver “ordered the maidens to exercise themselves with wrestling, running, throwing the quoit, and casting the dart, to the end that the fruit they conceived might, in strong and healthy bodies, take firmer root and …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 04:29 PM
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I think that’s too cynical a take. Self-improvements like lifting, making money, learning to socialize, and getting in touch with your inner masculinity, can actually help innumerable men. But if the expectation is to ascend as a dark triad fucklord with thralls of women, then you are right many will be greatly disappointed. In the end men need to just think for themselves and choose the useful bits.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 02:45 PM
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I have a strong preference for women that are willingly to go through natural pregnancies, but as you said it’s not a dealbreaker by any means. I think there are alot of biochemical changes that a woman goes through that facilitates mother-infant bonding which wouldn’t be present when using a surrogate. There is also a deepening in pair bonding when a woman shows her ultimate commitment to me by carrying my child which would not naturally happen. But I do think all that can be cultivated through…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 09:09 AM
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I think one point that needs to be cleared up is that even in a polygamous society (of which an overwhelming majority of pre-modern civilizations were), MOST COUPLES were nevertheless monogamous. Some of them might simply prefer monogamy, but most of them simply couldn’t afford it. Most wealthy high status men are already capable of maintaining informal harems, having multiple babymamas, or divorcing and remarrying over and over. Personally I doubt formalizing it would skew the numbers much.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 08:44 AM
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nope
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 08:22 AM
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To steelman the other side of the case, the RP men (which is not all RP men) you are describing would say that it is a chicken and the egg problem, that modern women do not offer traditional benefits and has a penchant for focusing on casual relationships, and as such they are just maximizing for a self-beneficial outcome given that environment. “Enjoy the decline” and all that. In reality though, most players I know, RP or otherwise, eventually gets tired of chasing tail and wants to settle dow…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 08:21 AM
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hi.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 08:07 AM
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You’d still have human value, just not reproductive value.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 08:06 AM
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Famine and war were for the most part prevailing conditions of human life historically speaking. For the last 3400 years there has been just 268 years without war, or 92% of recorded history. Yet we persist.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 08:05 AM
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Sparta was sustained by slavery. I’m gonna guess a fair amount of men here would be the Helots rather than the Spartans.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 07:10 AM
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Well for me it’d be closer to 25-50M per year. I could literally live anywhere on Earth with a harem and afford dozens of baby mamas. It would probably bring out the worst in me in so many ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 07:03 AM
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According to google: “Academic performance fell for boys when their schools became co-ed even if their class remained single-sex, but performance only fell among girls whose classes became mixed. These results suggest different mechanisms for the effects of mixed-gender schools on boys' and girls' academic performance.” https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/why-single-sex-schools-are-more-successful
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 05:12 AM
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Money. I don’t need romance when I can get unlimited hookers and blow.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 05:07 AM
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Most (95+% IIRC) pre-modern civilizations were selectively polygynous, where the socio-economically elite men had multiple wives. And I know enough rich guys with sidepieces and see enough male celebrities and athletes with baby mamas to think that it really hasn’t changed, it’s just pushed under the table. In the end, legally-enforced monogamy is mostly about getting the middle class and lower class men (and nowadays women too) to keep working and line the pockets of the upper class. My persona…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 01:46 AM
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7-7.5 on her videos. But she has the type of face that I think would drop a full point to half a point IRL without makeup and filters.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 02:56 AM
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Unless you are married it’s only as much responsibility as you are willing to take on. Most of my early relationships I literally don’t do jack shit but hang out and fuck. Eventually the girl can’t take it anymore, we break up, and I move on to the next one.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 02:50 AM
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Because hotness matters more.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 04:45 PM
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Great personality but unattractive = friend
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 04:43 PM
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If the guy says “let’s start going to the gym and eating better”, tons of women’s first reaction is gonna be “Are you saying I’m fat? OMG YOU THINK I’M FAT! How dare you! Have you no heart? Why are you so shallow and soulless? You need to love me no matter what or else you are a terrible human being.”
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 03:33 PM
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Both 5/10. The definition of average.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 03:18 PM
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The “why” matters to the guy trying to better himself. I don’t think most women actually care why a guy is an incel. Plus, if I’m being brutally honest, for physically unattractive incels you can tell why he is an incel just by looking at him for half a seconds.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 01:27 PM
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No because the underlying reward structure doesn’t change, it doesn’t matter if it’s teens dating teens or older men dating younger women, you end up with the same results.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 01:19 PM
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Regardless of the why, it’s easy see how this kind of behavior creates a fucked up feedback loop that rewards men for being assholes. So in that sense it is also learned behavior for men based on the reward mechanism established by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 12:36 PM
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If you actually follow fighting sports, being hyper-muscular is rarely the best body type for fighting. That said fat fucks are also relatively rare, but it’s primarily due to endurance concerns. Delivering force is about mass x speed, and Andy Ruiz throws some of the smoothest fastest combinations in boxing at heavy weight, and he has no shortage in mass.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 12:23 PM
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I would class that as one guy’s observation. I don’t know that he is redpill and even if he is the post isn’t specifically a redpill take.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 12:05 PM
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I really like your nuanced takes. But in my first hand experience, with a lot of women, especially young women, it really is the less you give AF about them the more clingy they become and more desperate they are for your approval. Personally I think part of it might be that they are too inexperienced to know their own value and the value of other men, so on a subconscious level they think that if the man in question doesn’t find her valuable, he must be high value.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 11:59 AM
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I think it’s could be just wires getting crossed between traits that were evolutionarily valuable and traits that are valuable in modern society. Psychopathy for instance I could see being an adaptive trait when physical survival was of foremost importance.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 11:32 AM
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I think you are misunderstanding the claim. Above average men are fucking average and below average women in a casual sex/FWB setting. Why would he commit to a below average woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 11:12 AM
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That’s exactly what it is. But to be honest as a guy that had no problem dating I also wasted alot of time on women that were physically attractive but emotionally toxic. Personally I think alot of it is about feeling like you are winning in the intersexual competition game, dating that hot guy or girl that is at the top of their respective local dominance hierarchy, and the affirmation that comes with having something that other people coveted. The problem is that in modern society, oftentimes …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 11:09 AM
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How is hot guy with an average chick a redpill notion? The point is to self-improvement to the point of being above average so that you can date the type of women you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 10:38 AM
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From a female perspective it is better that inc3ls stay inc3ls. That way they can more easily spot the wheat from the chaff. They want to be able to easily spot where men naturally fall on the dominance hierarchy, ideally from an early age. The idea that she could unwittingly be dating a former loser that self-improved enough to fool her is akin to deceit and trickery.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 10:31 AM
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Yes but I think something like that should be socially enforced rather than legally enforced, at least in the context of interactions between adults who generally speaking always have the option to walk away. I could see authoritative discipline used in the case of children and bullying, but even then there’s a reason why bullying is so hard to get rid of.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 10:16 AM
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In what context? I would think that a normal reasonably fit adult male should be able to hit anywhere between 15-25 strict perfect form pushups with a controlled pause at the top and bottom of the movement relatively easily. For a guy that regularly does resistance training, probably around 40-60 is a reasonable range. And if you are allowed to use gravity to fall and momentum and muscle elasticity to bounce off the ground, probably 1.5-2x more.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 10:06 AM
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You’d need both an objective measure AND a universal standard. Some people are more fragile than others, and even the same person could react differently to the same stimulus based on other factors. What if I called someone a moron online and he decided to kill himself? Am I at all responsible? And how would we even reconcile that with free speech? How would we prove perpetrator intent even if someone is indeed hurt? Even if hypothetically brain scans can show emotional scars, we don’t have buil…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 09:38 AM
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Personally I don’t think the government should be allowed to tell people what they can do with their body or their money, so long as no one else is getting hurt. Emotional abuse and manipulation is in a grey zone for me because I guess someone is getting hurt, but it’s impossible to objectively quantify and apply a universal standard to emotional damage, and therefore it is impossible to enforce. And in such an instance I also don’t think it should be the government’s problem so long as the vict…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 08:46 AM
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Yup. The repetitiveness gets tiring. The troll posts can occasionally be fun but it’s mostly low effort drivel.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 08:29 AM
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Exactly. Context matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 02:47 AM
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Nah. I have self-control.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 02:32 AM
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Iranian women are asking for actual feminism, ie equal rights under the law.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 02:26 AM
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Their wives surely did! Making sandwiches and keeping the children quiet are very important jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 02:22 AM
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That’s not how averages work.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 02:21 AM
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I thought it was gonna start beatboxing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 02:17 AM
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Do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 02:16 AM
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Unless your position is that we should get rid of all financial safety nets and social programs, we help people who need help because most people think it’s morally right.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 11:30 PM
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I guess I could see if the woman was cute and then she married a chad and just let herself go. But yes in reality I rarely see this, depending on how tight the “chad” window is.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 11:16 PM
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Enjoy you L.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 10:57 PM
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I mean, if you define “need” as just wanting something really bad at that moment in time, then as I said alot of things will become needs as you move up the hierarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 05:45 AM
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This is actually very helpful in clearing up a blind spot.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 04:33 AM
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lol. When someone gets personal, you know they are out of arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 04:30 AM
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Man of culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 04:03 AM
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Attracted to temporarily, yes. Never acted on it though. For whatever reason girls that can really sing is intensely attractive to me even if they aren’t my physical type. But I don’t go after them if I’m not physically attracted to them because the feeling doesn’t last.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 03:47 AM
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I would definitely work, I just wouldn’t have the pressure to provide and can do what I want on my terms. Although to be honest I already kind of do for the most part at this stage of my life so it’s a moot point. In terms of household chores, frankly I find it easy, and that’s including childrearing. I run a company right now and in the beginning I’ve worked 10-12 hour days 6-7 days a week performing almost every job there is, before I got it to the point where it more or less runs itself. So I…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 03:33 AM
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It’s undeniable that sex is something most people want, maybe even intensely want in the case of men. Whether or not it crosses over to a need depends on how you define the goal. It’s definitely not a need in terms of individual survival. It might be a need in terms of a satisfactory and fulfilling life, but then many things would become needs subject to a huge amount of individual variability, and it isn’t even clear that most people can achieve that end state in its totality. In fact I’d go as…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 03:21 AM
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I think a couple that has been together for 25 years sustain that relationship through their shared experiences that they’ve built together over decades of pair-bonding, a bond that can’t be easily replaced. It’s apples and oranges when we are talking about building from scratch. In addition, I think things like common values matter much more than simply being in the same age range. Even if I grant that your life experience can oftentimes inform your values, age is at best just a proxy for exper…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 02:55 AM
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I don’t think a person can just decide what they find attractive. But certainly dating would be much easier if one could. And what humans find physically attractive have a large evolutionarily ingrained biological component, so it’s not strictly true that beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. Yes fetishes exist, but they are anomalies.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 02:31 AM
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Most men are or are not? Your first and second sentence contradict each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 02:24 AM
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The truth is most older men can’t land a significantly younger woman. But those that can often do. I’ve seen this in real life with 2nd or 3rd marriages of older wealthy men, and certainly there are many high profile celebrity/entrepreneur examples as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 02:23 AM
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Like it or not attractiveness matters, for both men and women. And thoughtfulness, intelligence, and empathy, none of those things are mutually exclusive with attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 01:43 AM
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What we need is AI-enabled caretaker robots.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 11:57 PM
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Yes. To be clear I just meant an unarmed woman initiating sex without consent. Upon further thought there are many scenarios involving weapons, drugging, threats, coercion, and blackmails and so forth where the SA moniker is warranted.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 04:34 PM
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Yeah I’ve been groped in the crotch a couple of times too and I didn’t even think it was worth mentioning. And my intention isn’t to shame anyone for feeling some type of way. I just think the fact that an average guy can probably physically overpower most women changes the context of the situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 04:23 PM
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I mean I guess I could see forced as in you are being coerced or blackmailed or something. Or maybe if it’s a statutory thing. Or if there is a weapon involved. Or if the guy was drugged. So I probably should have narrowed the scope of my OP — I’m just talking about an unarmed female trying to initiate sex with a male without consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 04:18 PM
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This might be controversial but in my opinion man sexual assaulting woman and woman sexual assaulting man just aren’t the same. I’ve been technically sexually assaulted by women twice in my life, both times in college dorms. Once I woke up drunk to a girl sucking my dick. Another time I woke up drunk to a girl who snuck into my bed naked, had taken my pants off, and was trying to straddle me. Both times I just kicked them out and went back to sleep. I didn’t feel threatened, I wasn’t powerless, …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 03:56 PM
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Meh. It’s just a meaningless round number.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 03:36 PM
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I too am happily married with a healthy n-count and still get called an incel/angry redpiller and what not from time to time. Being married doesn’t mean your opinions are beyond reproach. Nor does it mean you get immunity to trolls.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 02:00 PM
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Recomposition doesn’t require bulking for overweight individuals, and weight loss and muscle building are not mutually exclusive. Regardless it’s irrelevant to my original point — training can be scaled up to burn more calories, but training cannot do produce nutrients out of thin air.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 01:39 PM
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It’s that NPD weirdo.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 12:10 PM
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I have no idea if all of the women they’ve fucked hated it, but I have seen my fair share of gold diggers and sleep-your-way-to-the-top types throw themselves at rich and powerful men. I guess it really depends on what your definition of mating success is.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 12:05 PM
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I don’t disagree, but it’s irrelevant to my point. The comparison here is too much calories but good nutrient content, vs the right amount of calories but poor nutrient content. One can be addressed through training and the other one cannot. That said it just occured to me that you are a woman, and most women train primarily for weight loss (as alluded to in your response) irregardless of the body composition. Which is why maybe for you having the necessary nutrients for muscle building (the gen…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 11:58 AM
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Nah, it’s the opposite. It’s actually easier to out-train too many calories — you just increase the volume since it’s a simple input vs output problem. On the other hand if you aren’t ingesting the macro nutrients you need (for instance a lack of protein), no amount of training can make your body synthesize it out of thin air.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 11:17 AM
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I’m not arguing that redpill couldn’t qualify as an ideology, but rather I’m simply stating that the term is a turn-off for me. That said I think the redpill, at least to my personal observation, is still an evolving set of ideas that has gradually shifted from the PUA stuff during its nascency to the more holistic self-improvement that it is today. The only internally consistent portion of redpill is really just its evo-psych core, which is itself an academic discipline. As such the nature of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 10:18 AM
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He’s probably feeling like he needs more attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 08:54 AM
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To be honest framing redpill as an “ideology” is a turn-off for me. Personally I see it more as just applied evolutionary psychology, and what I’m more excited for is more academic interests on this topic that can potentially get us closer to the underlying reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 08:53 AM
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?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 08:33 AM
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35+ is called geriatric pregnancy for a reason. Even 30+ I’ve known many women that had miscarriages or fertility issues. By late 30s early 40s most are doing IVF, and that shit ain’t cheap and requires a ton of shots and medications. Not to mention the chance of getting shit like down syndrome spikes when you get older.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 06:59 AM
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Huh? Trump and Weinstein fucked plenty. Probably all model-tier women too.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 06:50 AM
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Nothing wrong with late 20s. As for “above”, it depends on by how much. I’m exactly 40 and for my female peers having kids around this age ain’t exactly easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 06:47 AM
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Yeah I’ve gotten alot of help from women over the years both privately and professionally, particularly when I was younger. Everything from giving me rides to school every morning when I was in high school, getting me interviews for various jobs during college, to introducing me to new clients when I first started working. For women that I was actually sexually involved with there were even more, but that’s not particularly out of the ordinary. And I’ve gotten probably a dozen offers from older …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 06:41 AM
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I questioned his intelligence in that NPD thread and then started getting these insane sounding unhinged rants littered with N-bombs, mispellings, and bad grammar, from 5 minute old accounts that referenced NPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 02:30 AM
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I’m pretty sure he has legit mental illness. Do not engage.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 02:06 AM
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I’m not sure. Because I think women probably also give better head to women since they know what the deal is down there.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 01:48 AM
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Men are better at that too according to bisexuals.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 01:25 AM
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Nah. I have learned more off of youtube than my entire college education, connected with old friends and made new ones online, and explored many ideas that are fascinating to me that most people I know in real life wouldn’t be particularly interested in. It’s all in how you use it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 01:10 AM
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To be honest I have a tendency to throw money at people I truly love, so I’d have to rate it somewhere around half my liquid networth. Somewhere in the low to mid millions for a lifetime supply.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 12:57 AM
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Millennials should be creditted with building out the internet as we know it today, particularly with regards to social media, with all its good and bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 12:46 AM
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I’ve done this many times but I think it’s funny that you have a name for it. That said I also think for dudes that complain about women not fucking them sooner, alot of it has to do with them not knowing how to or is too afraid of escalating sexually. Admittedly though it can be a fine line and requires you being able to read if the girl is properly turned on. For the bonus question — Defcon 1 is nuclear war imminent or is happening. And I’m pretty sure Cuban missile crisis was Defcon 2? So Imm…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 11:26 PM
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But that doesn’t make N count moot. It just means being physically attractive is priority number one.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 03:24 PM
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IIRC I think the post OP is referencing was saying that you can technically cram in all that material and learn it in 6 months or whatever time, but schools stretch it out for 3-4 years to charge you money.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 03:21 PM
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You make a good case and I agree. But I think these complaints are stemming from the insecurities a guy may feel for not measuring up to the previous men, and it’s clearly not an unfounded worry based on what you’ve said.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 03:17 PM
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Because attractive women that are also low N exist? Even if I value looks first and foremost (which I do), there’s no reason I’d have to commit to the first hot girl I see. That said this is presuming LTR/marriage. If it’s STR/casual sex, I agree that N count is moot.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 03:05 PM
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The way she reacted to the whole situation was actually really awesome. I’m not sure I’d be that understanding if I was in her shoes.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 03:00 PM
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It’s not a binary choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 02:55 PM
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Having done time for sure, but both would be big enough red flags (the lying, not necessarily the N) that I’d probably consider ghosting her barring extenuating circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 02:53 PM
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That would be a legitimate quandry. But at least in my experience hot women usually aren’t huge sluts with enormous n counts because they don’t need to be. They have an implicitly understanding of their value and can take their time choosing the right guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 02:38 PM
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I agree. Personally I just always pay for at least the first date, even when I was poor but definitely when I had money. Even if the woman offers to split I will insist on paying. But it’s not out of chivalry or altruism — it just establishes a masculine frame right from the get-go and increases the likelihood of closing the deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 02:32 PM
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I don’t think it’s a subject that really needs to be broached unless the relationship is getting serious or has the potential to get serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 02:16 PM
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What percentage of men are actually telling n=3 women that they are used up trash? Or insulting women about their n count in real life for that matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 02:14 PM
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Low n men, no. But even if the guy’s n is healthily above average, he’s still most likely gonna feel some type of way if the woman has a huge n count.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 02:08 PM
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I’m not gonna say that’s not a thing for some men, but I think for most guys it’s not a big deal unless the difference was huge.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 01:31 PM
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CMV: For most men, redpill or otherwise, a woman’s n-count only matters to the extent that they don’t want to unwittingly marry a slut, and even then only to avoid the potential of paternity uncertainty and possible social disgrace. As such, it’s less about what your n-count is in the absolute sense, but more about what it implies about a woman’s behavioral patterns.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 12:43 PM
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Why? If the parents were born in the late 50s early 60s, then the kids would typically be born in the 80s and 90s.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 11:41 AM
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Yeah but when a big guy smack around a little guy all the sudden the strength differential doesn’t matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 10:58 AM
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Set up my kids. I think my generation (millennials) have it rough compared to my boomer parents, and I don’t expect things to get any easier for my kids’ generation. Ideally I can at least get to the point where they wouldn’t ever have to worry about day-to-day survival and can really take risks and pursue their interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 10:54 AM
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Then, again, no, I’ve never seen a woman praised simply for having a job. I only see that strong independent shit when they are exceptional and excelling at their job, especially in more male dominated fields. Which is indeed a double standard, but part of it is because they stand out.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 10:43 AM
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The psychic powers of a level 99 Wizard.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 08:30 AM
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Any celebration of women for being strong and independent? Of course I have. I guess my question is what do you mean by “adulting”? I brought up economic class because I assume that “adulting” meant “holding down a job and paying your bills”, ie being able to support yourself, which is pretty much a necessity for everyone, man or woman, unless you are UMC+. And I don’t see women being particularly celebrated for adulting under my definition. Perhaps you have a different definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 08:21 AM
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I don’t really see regular women celebrated for being strong and independent for holding down a job and paying bills, which is probably 90% of what being an adult is. Nor do I really see non-UMC women being able to sit around the house as an adult and not be working or studying and not get shit for it. Unless I guess if she’s exceptionally hot and latched on to a male provider.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 07:39 AM
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Of all the double standards between men and women, I actually don’t really see this one. Maybe if you are UMC+/white/privileged vs if you aren’t, but men and women? Nah.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 06:36 AM
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I guess? I mean that’s like saying Warren Buffet is better than Bernie Madoff.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 06:32 AM
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So it’s two people who have no options settling for each other. Personally I find that somewhat less romantic than if my mate had many options but chose me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 04:08 AM
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Only so much one can do to salvage a bad question.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 04:03 AM
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Amazing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 03:33 AM
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Yes. Can you?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 03:32 AM
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you did.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 03:31 AM
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You wanted an explanation. I gave you one.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 03:31 AM
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Observation of general patterns makes you sad? Strange.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 03:05 AM
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Why are you asking me why you do what you do?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 03:03 AM
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I mean it’s general advice. But 20m cardio wouldn’t make that big of a difference unless you are in terrible shape. It’s more important that you stay consistent and progressively overload your resistance over time. It doesn’t have to be fast though, just bump up the resistance whenever you feel comfortably in control of that weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 03:02 AM
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Refer back to the chubby chaser analogy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 02:57 AM
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I think women generally pick the best of her available options. Not all women have the same options.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 02:56 AM
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No, it’s actually even worse. You are assuming that all men here are identical.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 02:54 AM
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Again — individually there can be a million different reasons. Are you having trouble understanding what that means?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 02:52 AM
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lol. Women are they ones doing the choosing, at least in modern western societies. And women preferring above-average men is the only reason redpill even exists in the first place. It doesn’t mean all women can get one. It doesn’t mean you can’t have love without one. But what are you even arguing? That good looking, tall, fit, wealthy, high status, and connected men aren’t generally preferred by women? Because if so then there’s no point in even talking because we have fundamentally different v…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 02:51 AM
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lol. Either point to where I’ve said that or I will assume that you are mentally ill.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 02:42 AM
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Expert in made up people that only exist in a vaccum? No.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 02:41 AM
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There’s nothing inherently wrong with being average.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 02:39 AM
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Generally speaking it’s better to train resistance fresh, and then add in cardio afterwards.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 02:38 AM
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And you don’t seem to get that people don’t always get what they want. A man could want a Victoria’s Secret model but get becky next-door. That isn’t to say that he can’t then build a genuine loving relationship with becky, just that she wouldn’t be his first choice if he had unlimited options.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 02:36 AM
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Above-average men are better options than average men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 02:30 AM
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Sigh. How am I supposed to explain why random hypothetical couples do what they do? I literally just said there could be a million reasons why individually women do what they do. Redpill is just explaining the overall patterns of mate selection for women in aggregate. Let me put it this way: chubby chasers exist. That doesn’t mean men in general don’t prefer slim hourglass women. And that doesn’t mean that all men who marry overweight women wouldn’t prefer a skinnier partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 02:28 AM
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Assortive mating and finding niches are discussed here from time to time, although usually more broadly than just politics.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 02:21 AM
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Reminds me of reddit stories where the wife/GF loses weight, oftentimes with the help/encouragement/support of their male partner, and then when they succeed decide that they are just different people now and she needs to go out and explore herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 02:19 AM
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The point of redpill is to raise men above the average. But if we are going to spam disingenuous questions, then I’d ask why do you want women to be miserably stuck with men they don’t want instead of having better options?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 02:16 AM
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I would rather bang alot of attractive chicks and then pick one that I’d like to end up with.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 02:11 AM
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No. I think two people can build love over time and shared experiences. What I am saying is average men generally speaking are never a woman’s first choice, but most women are not high value enough to land their first choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 02:06 AM
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I would put it this way: losing weight is easier because at the end of the day it’s just expending more energy than you consume. But keeping the weight off consistently over the long run is way easier if you have a good amount of muscle mass relative to your weight, for the simple fact that muscle tissues require way more calories to maintain than adipose tissues, so as a baseline you burn more calories just by having more muscles even if you do nothing else. So if your goal is longterm weight l…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 01:35 AM
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With bricks of hundos? Yeah I guess, if I get to keep them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 01:11 AM
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There are a million reasons why a woman would marry an average man to list them all. But the biggest reason is because we can only marry one person, and there are only so many above-average men available for marriage. Not everyone can get a seat when playing musical chairs. And this ties into a woman’s own sexual market value — if an average woman is competing against above-average women for above-average men, statistically she won’t be chosen. In the end we are only ever picking mates out of ou…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 01:08 AM
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Explain what a gotcha is?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 12:31 AM
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Because they think it’s a gotcha.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 12:12 AM
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Yes. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intact_dilation_and_extraction
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 11:37 PM
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No. It’s induced fetal demise. Then you cut it up and suction it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 11:20 PM
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Except intelligence isn’t clearly visible, nor has most people measured their IQ, so it’s almost impossible to tell unless the difference is huge.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 11:14 PM
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It’s more about how one defines “asshole”. But yeah I agree there is alot of projection.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 11:07 PM
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Redpill isn’t inherently political but I guess from a far left perspective if you don’t simultaneously believe men and women are identical and that women are oppressed, then you are right wing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 11:06 PM
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Then that isn’t the case. You can abort in the 3rd trimester.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 10:55 PM
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Are you claiming you can’t legally or you can’t medically?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 05:05 PM
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I guess my question would be why you choose that as the cut off.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 04:35 PM
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That may be true during the initial stages of the primaries. By March most primary voters supported Trump, including the Evangelicals.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 03:25 PM
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Oh I have seen plenty of dummies attempting to argue that a fetus is not a human being. Glad to hear you aren’t one.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 03:10 PM
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The alternatives got dominated by Trump in the primaries.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 03:05 PM
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They aren’t the same, but only in the sense that a young person and an old person aren’t the same because they are in different stages of the lifecycle. You wouldn’t say for instance that a germinating seed isn’t a plant. Look I’m not against abortion but the whole “fetuses aren’t human” thing is the most intellectually dishonest part of the pro-choice arguments, because they clearly are part of the human life cycle. The only intellectual honest way to argue this point to just admit that humans …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 02:55 PM
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So you think a mother should be able to kill her infant up to the point of delivery?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 02:44 PM
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I don’t really wanna rehash why Trump won in 2016 but the white Evangelicals demographic voted for him to the tune of around 80% that year.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 02:39 PM
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It’s like being born rich — it doesn’t guarantee happiness but you have way more options than people who aren’t. So complaining about how life won’t necessarily be perfect inspite of enormous privilege just seems utterly obtuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 02:26 PM
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I guess. I mean shit like universal healthcare and free public universities aren’t exactly “idealism” in the sense that it’s impossible to implement, since literally every other first world country (and most developing countries) have it in some form. The idealism is in believing that American politicians would actually represent the people’s interests instead of donor interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 01:12 PM
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I am aware. I was a “Bernie bro” myself in 2016, as much as I loathed that term. Since then though I have been entirely disillusioned by the progressive movement. That said just acknowledging that the system is corrupt and rigged is to me an insanely low bar.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 10:02 AM
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Except the whole progressive left’s schtick is proclaiming that the system is rigged. So by that rationale someone like Bernie Sanders should be even more popular.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 09:20 AM
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“its almost as if the key to success of a social creature is to be social..”
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 08:23 AM
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When I was at some of my lowest points in life from late teens to young adulthood, there were multiple women that went out of their way to prop me up and get me on my feet, emotionally, sexually, and one even financially, spotted me money and used her connections to get me job interviews. When I first started my career, there were female colleagues that took an interest and gave me pointers or outright handed me clients. I have also had multiple older men that mentored me in various things from …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 07:46 AM
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Just from the picture, probably 3.5/10. Although I think she might be closer to 4/10 in reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 07:16 AM
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Physically a 5/10 in that picture, although 4/10 after he gained weight. With billions in ill-gotten loot though? Probably 100/10.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 07:10 AM
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Can’t relate. My dad is alpha AF.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 11:00 PM
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I was.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 10:48 PM
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Yeah but you are also in your own bubble. Where I’m living, which is non-white non-western: It’s not hard talking to strangers and most women are friendly (at least to me). People definitely care about a woman’s n-count, significantly more than they do in western countries. Most women expect men to pay for dates and spend money. People definitely give a great deal of fucks about getting married. But they are also very realistic and pragmatic about the men needing to have money first. Basically i…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 03:53 PM
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I think a large part of that has to do with being at the top of a narrow niche. Kinda like being a vegan and picking up women that only date other vegans, a BBoy is picking up women that are into that scene. That said I do think that being physically capable in some way, as is the case with breakdancing, is a masculine and attractive trait. And the competitive element doesn’t hurt either. But also alot of high level breakdancers basically look like gymnasts or gymnast-lites, and many women prefe…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 03:42 PM
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You can strengthen your posterior chain for the back pain, but you can’t grow boobs without implants. Boobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 03:28 PM
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Slut shaming is to women what simp shaming is to men. It’s all just intersexual competition and being mad that people from your own group for lowering the going-rates of the goods you are peddling.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 11:02 AM
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lol. The worst slut shamers are other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 08:57 AM
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I guess the real lesson here is to bring a camera with you when approaching and introduce yourself as a youtuber doing a social experiment.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 07:45 AM
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It means you’re probably average to slightly above average.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 07:42 AM
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I mean… if finding a similar partner is the most common pattern, finding the opposite is probably the next most common.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 07:39 AM
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How to be socially attractive is like 1/3 of redpill.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 07:21 AM
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Pretty sure it’s a fact so widely known that some cultures have age-old idioms that speaks to this phenomenon. Even in redpill there is an entire category of strategies dedicated to warm approaches.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 06:59 AM
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But you can accurately say that an individual more so or less so adheres to the measurable objective components of beauty, which when systematically studied in aggregate, and in combination with predictive models and replicable results, amounts to science.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 06:54 AM
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And here’s the reasons why that stat is highly misleading - https://time.com/3393442/cdc-rape-numbers/
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 06:40 AM
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If you agree, then I would go further and say that semantically this is what people generally mean when they say “objectively beautiful”. The fact that the prescription of beauty is normative is technically true but somewhat pedantic.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 04:11 AM
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Doubt.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 04:07 AM
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Yup. In general the more symmetrical and average (as in morphologically closer to the averaged proportions of the totality of faces) your face is the more attractive it is. But the most attractive faces tend to have some distinguishing feature outside the average that nevertheless manages to maintain facial harmony. A completely symmetrical and averaged face is usually good looking but forgettable — for instance someone like a prime Sienna Miller.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 03:47 AM
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I’m extremely certain that he’s fine in the women department.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 03:32 AM
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A declaration of beauty is normative, but the assessment of why something is beautiful is based, at least in part, on objective standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 03:23 AM
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Most men, redpilled or otherwise, don’t have an issue fucking a high n-count woman. Most men, redpilled or otherwise, prefer a low n-count woman for long term relationships/marriage. STR vs LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 12:59 AM
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I mean, if the question is whether men can treat women as a category identically to the way they treat men as a category, then it seems like the only real answer is no since they are categorically different. But that framing also makes the question rather pointless, because it’s basically asking “can two unidentical things be identical?” But OP’s question is actually quite a bit more awkward than that, because she prefaced her post by claiming as a fact that must be accepted that men are superio…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 11:23 AM
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Everything about this post screams a dude wrote it to troll.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 10:48 AM
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I guarantee you a dude wrote this to troll.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 10:46 AM
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If you’re talking about stuff that everyone has to do like schooling/work or stuff that most people do only for fun like gaming/sports, I find that it’s really easy to be better than 80% of the people just by taking it seriously since most people don’t even really try. And it’s not particularly hard to get better than 95% of people if you actually put in some work, since most people are lazy. The real competition/challenge typically doesn’t even start until you’ve hit the 95th percentile and you…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 12:27 AM
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Like I said I think divorce and marital happiness are positively correlated.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 04:42 PM
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Oh wow you going waaaay back.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 04:05 PM
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Isn’t that book about sex robots?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 04:02 PM
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Ah yes. Missed the “just”.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 04:00 PM
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Actually both would fall under the Halo Effect. The difference is good looks is more objective and measurable than good charm, and it’s always in effect without you doing anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 03:22 PM
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To me it’s not a harem unless they are all exclusively yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 03:10 PM
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As far as I can tell it mostly revolves around less promiscuity and more monogamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 03:09 PM
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Average price in the US is $250~. Seems like a low price to pay if it’s literally the only thing holding you back from dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 03:06 PM
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Young Monica Bellucci.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 12:30 PM
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My position is I wouldn’t participate in a sub that does that anyways, so they’re actually doing me a favor and saving alot of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 12:29 PM
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Yes. But I don’t remember what it was.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 12:26 PM
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With the caveat that studies aren’t gospels, the point is research shows that in general, the more promiscuous you are before marriage, the more likely you are to divorce and the less likely you are to be satisfied with your partner. Hence it is perfectly rational to prefer a lower n-count partner. That said I’m not personally an n-count absolutist and obviously if you meet the girl of your dreams it’d be idiotic to let her go solely on account of how many people she’s slept with.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 06:44 AM
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You can personally judge them however you like.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 06:18 AM
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But population wide you don’t think people less satisfied with their marriage are more likely to divorce?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 06:17 AM
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That depends on your personal values.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 06:15 AM
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There are alot of studies with similar conclusions, that’s just one example. Many measure martial happiness/marital satisfaction. But even just looking at divorce rate, while it’s not the same as martial satisfaction, I would bet all my money that they are strongly positively correlated.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 06:05 AM
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It’s a matter of probability, not an absolute.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 05:39 AM
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Except multiple studies have shown that female n-count affects a woman’s likelihood of martial satisfaction, but makes no difference for men. And also regarding the virgin point, it has also been shown that n=0 and n=1-3 doesn’t make much difference, as virgins have a slightly lower chance of divorce but a 1-3 partner count had slightly higher marital satisfaction. My conjecture here is having a little bit of experience can mitigate against fear of missing out. One example of the marital satisfa…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 05:34 AM
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Everyone alive also have 2 female ancestors to 1 male ancestor. So I don’t think you can discount biology or assume how the natural order of things would look barring societal pressures.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 04:56 AM
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I’m never seen the claim that fat unattractive women are dating hot men, and if I saw it I’d disagree with it too. The claim is usually more like fat unattractive women can still get takers if she just wants sex when she wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 04:45 AM
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I’ve never seen it framed as “inexperience means she’ll be more likely to put up with my bullshit”. It’s usually “not having a high n-count leads to better pair-bonding potential and marital satisfaction”, which is backed up statistically.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 04:40 AM
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That’s because sex and looks is the first hurdle. If you can’t get past that first hurdle it’s pointless to talk about shared values and common interests. Let me put it this way — you shouldn’t marry someone just for sex and fun, but should you marry someone when you are sexually unsatisfied and have no fun?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 04:37 AM
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lol that is an obscure AF reference.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 04:33 AM
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I thought the blonde chick is Peggy’s niece and unrelated to Steve Rogers.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 02:47 AM
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Some people repeat the patterns they see in childhood, others choose to do the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 02:45 AM
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Why is hooker not an option?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 02:40 AM
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The point of contention here isn’t whether having a human partner is preferrable. It’s that given that one cannot get or choose not to have a partner, what the next best substitutes are and how one should prepare.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 02:36 AM
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Is that a Captain America reference?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 02:18 AM
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Sociality =/= sexuality though. Presumably the first thing a guy does when preparing for a life without a mate is to build out a social support system. Or maybe get an emotional support animal, which I presume are what cat ladies are about.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 02:01 AM
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Uh, I was thinking more along the lines of mental health resources. But I guess we can always hand out hooker vouchers or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 01:58 AM
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I think the difference with things like cancer is it affects people from all walks of life across every demographic. Everybody knows someone who has or had cancer, and everyone can potentially get cancer. People that can get laid or alreadyy have a partner aren’t likely to wake up ttomorrow and find that they’ve turned into an inc*l.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 01:56 AM
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It’s about as helpful as acknowledging that poor people exists. We all know the issue exists, but so long as it is a minority and has not reached a critical mass, most people aren’t gonna spend any time nor resources on this problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 12:54 AM
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I have no idea what vibe that is.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 12:41 AM
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Funny thing is Mark A himself would probably say that he’s just aight too. I mean this is the same guy that have an assistant whose only job is to whisper in his ear “you’re just a man” when he is praised.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 12:27 AM
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I don’t know who you mean by “you guys”. I think it sounds like a great idea for some men and will likely become increasingly common.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 12:22 AM
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I don’t expect women to care. Hell, even men that can get laid also don’t really care that some men cannot. Not unless it affects someone near and dear to them. And I certainly don’t expect anything to be done about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 12:19 AM
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No that’s the one thought that I did not have. Even from a practical standpoint he lost and Germany became America’s bitch for the next half century.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 11:12 AM
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No but seriously, I’ve literally had some very similar ideas — when I was 13 and stoned outta my mind. I’m starting to think that I might be the biggest genius of them all and y’all are just a figment of imagination simulated in my big enormous brain.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 10:21 AM
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😂🤣Yup pretty much what I expected.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 10:08 AM
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Already blocked.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 09:44 AM
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So a rando 1h old account is just randomly tagging PPD users rambling about NPD?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 09:40 AM
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Sure. Hit me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 09:38 AM
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😂🤣 Are you seriously having a psychotic breakdown and tagging me with alt accounts?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 09:34 AM
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I don’t know what you mean. Einstein was hardly naive and definitely wasn’t sheltered, had a vibrant social life in school, and was overtly political later in life. Issac Newton was famously angry and psychotic, and a well-known asshole. They aren’t anything like you described. I’m starting to feel like you actually don’t know shit about these people and are just throwing names out there to, I dunno, prove you are smart or something. Edit: Regarding IQ and EQ — https://www.psychnewsdaily.com/iq-…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 08:59 AM
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Is that too harsh against men or women? Because it’s overtly dissing men but also saying that women/femininity is whiny, simpering, and cannot navigate society.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 08:23 AM
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Some intelligent people might be more detached and live in the world of ideas rather than reality, but those kinds of people are the ones I suspect are on the spectrum. Most I find are actually highly adaptable and able to navigate the world easily, and can come up with solutions even given limited resources. In my experience, having a high IQ doesn’t necessarily mean you have a high EQ, but people with a high EQ oftentimes also have a reasonably high IQ.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 08:15 AM
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It’s a common scenario with many if not most women that regularly participate in casual sex. I suspect you just don’t encounter them often in your social bubble.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 07:57 AM
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I can’t speak to your personal intelligence but most of the legitimately really smart guys I know definitely don’t need to tell people they are smart. Most of them are already working on things that only really smart people can, or you can tell by just talking to them for 5 minutes on a topic they are interested in. I will also say that the smarter you are, the more aware you are of what you don’t know, and therefore the less relevant raw intelligence is. Instead it’s the ideas themselves and th…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 06:51 AM
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But regular guys with regular GFs isn’t what AF/BB is describing. It’s talking about girls that have casual sex/STR/FWB relationships with men above her SMV early on in her youth, then LTR stable men as her fertility window starts to close. Now it’s undeniable that some women definitely follow this pattern of behavior. The question is really just how common it is. The real problem with AF/BB is when you start to have guys detached from the real world believing that AWALT.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 06:41 AM
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It’s more like a meme that some people take too seriously. But it’s very effective at communicating female dual mating strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 05:57 AM
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But that’s what a guy with NPD would say.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 05:54 AM
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I don’t even know what left and right mean anymore in American politics. It’s like a bunch of separate and oftentimes disconnected issues bundled together.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 04:16 AM
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But old age typically happens after reproduction.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 03:54 AM
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The neuro-circuitry for falling in love doesn’t wither away just because you get old.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 03:46 AM
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The only reason I know anything about Pokemons is because of my kids. But I’ll go with Corviknight.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 03:43 AM
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So the solution to trouble finding a partner is… to find a partner and then do stuff with her. Genius.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 01:45 AM
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I’m not going to say lying never works but it depends entirely on how good of a lier you are and how long you have to keep it up for. I think though the primary risk is if you find someone you actually like and would like to continue the relationship indefinitely, at which point you’d either have to maintain a lie potentially for your entire life, come clean and risk it blowing up or at the very least damaging her trust in you, or she finds out herself somehow and there’d be potentially no trust…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 01:41 AM
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lol. I thought I was the only one. There’s a difference in severity between “annihilate/oblitetate” and “decimate”. Decimate is bad but sort of still acceptable.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 01:29 AM
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Nah. More like you should go with your looks match plus or minus one point. Constant “why is she/he with him/her” or “he/she can do better” and always having to defend your mate choice can put a real strain on relationships for most couples.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 01:25 AM
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It looks like the Rock doing the Rock shit. Imma definitely watch it, just not in theatres.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 01:17 AM
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Face, 6/10. With body, 7.5/10.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 01:13 AM
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Most people, probably. Certainly when she is in a bikini or yoga gear. Less so when she is in frumpy mom gear.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 01:08 AM
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Finding correlation between height and IQ is. Height/weight vs partner is admittedly grey.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 08:38 AM
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lol. You calling me old?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 08:21 AM
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Except population genetics is biology and therefore not a social science.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 08:20 AM
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Me too. I haven’t had a cold in literally 22 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 08:17 AM
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Mind blown.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 08:15 AM
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Well if it makes you feel better, I read a meta analysis that looked at multiple studies across this subject and found that the positive correlation between height and IQ is IIRC 0.2 when controlling for socio-economic class and parental education, which is statistically significant but weak.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 08:13 AM
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I already had this discussion yesterday but if you look at the study, it’s a comparison of only Scottish men. Since both height and IQ are polygenic traits that the study suggests are possibly correlated, it makes more sense to compare local populations that share a gene pool than across the global population. When comparing global IQ, spots 1-6 are basically all East Asian countries despite varying degrees of socio-economic development, so it’d be an interesting study to replicate there as well…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 08:01 AM
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The perks of having a uterus.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 07:50 AM
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Not necessarily on the individual level. It’s just a general statistical pattern.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 07:45 AM
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lol. Zenpill for the win I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 07:43 AM
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I mean there like a whole bunch of different correlations and correlations don’t necessarily mean causation and so forth, but height is also positively correlated with income and IQ.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 07:19 AM
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Depends on what you mean by “underweight”. I’ve seen a fair share of clearly fit and slim (and at least visually presumably healthy) women being told to eat some burgers on social media. And then there are actual anorexic girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 07:16 AM
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The biggest sign is the actual results you get.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 07:14 AM
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I literally just read a study yesterday that found that male height has a statistically significant negative correlation with partner’s obesity measures and educational attainment. The shorter the man the more likely his wife is obsese/less educated. http://www.ivie.es/downloads/docs/wpasad/wpasad-2010-16.pdf And since intelligence in terms of IQ is highly predictative of educational attainment, and tall men tend to marry (therefore presumably attract) more educated women, I would guess that int…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 07:09 AM
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I suppose that depends on your social circle and what you are specifically looking for. At least in my experience, I find that attractive people tend to assortively hang out together in clumps; you meet one and you tend to meet more. And yes I do agree that if you have a hard time relating with other people dating/socializing can be very difficult, but at that point the goal post has moved and it’s less about dating as a man vs dating as a woman, and more about the difficulties of not being neur…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 06:22 AM
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I agree that cold approach is hard no matter what. Warm approach is considerably easier since you wouldn’t be starting from scratch and have social proof.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 05:45 AM
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It depends on what your reference point is. Compared to an average woman wanting to date an average guy, yeah it’s absolutely harder. But if a high SMV guy wants to sleep with an average woman, it’s not particularly difficult either, just kind of pointless after awhile since you would be wasting time on something that you know won’t go anywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 05:35 AM
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Technically yes, but being friendly to women you are fucking seems like the lowest possible bar.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 04:06 AM
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Of course it changes. The same lame joke told by an attractive guy will get a whole lot more giggles than than the deafening silence when told by an unattractive guy. The same shyness can be perceived as either mysteriousness or creepiness depending on how you look.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 03:56 AM
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Meh. I’ve popped a virgin that claimed she was waiting for marriage and multiple women that claimed they required a committed relationship before sex. Even if there are hoops to start off they are quickly dropped when you escalate.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 03:51 AM
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They make rules for unattractive men and break rules for attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 03:38 AM
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I’m not disputing that for some people it can work fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 03:09 AM
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Currently average child support is closer to $430 a month or about $5100 a year. But that’s kind of irrelevant because it’s based on the payer’s income, so if you think it’s too low that’s just because the father is poor.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 03:07 AM
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In the most reductive sense, men sow their wild oats, women secure resources for their offsprings.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 02:58 AM
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I don’t think men should have the right to decide whether a woman aborts either for the same reason you stated. But that isn’t what we are discussing here. The question at hand is, given that women have the sole unilateral right to choose whether or not she has an abortion, does she also have the right to unilaterally force the man to co-finance that decision. However I do think that the needs of the child should be taken into account, specifically during early childhood. Personally I think tota…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 02:45 AM
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Actually oftentime when the woman proposes an open relationship, she already have a very specific person in mind if not already fucking him on the side, and just wants to retroactively morally justify cucking the husband while keeping the benefits of her relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 02:23 AM
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I think you are being quite disingenuous because contraceptives have never been as mass distributed, low risk, highly effective, and widely available to the rich and poor alike as today. It’s what allows for critical mass needed to shift culture. Vesectomy in the 1800s was a much more brutal procedure done only when medically necessary, and in the early to mid 1900s it was done primarily to forcibly sterilize inmates due to the popularization of eugenics at the time. It wasn’t until 1970s that i…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 02:21 AM
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Yes but often for opposite genders. At least with my own person FWB experiences women are first to catch feelings, because oftentimes the reason they agreed to a FWB arrangement in the first place is because they’d rather have the guy in some capacity than not at all. With open relationships I don’t have direct experience but read enough to see that oftentimes the men thinks it’s a good idea until they see that their GF/wife can literally just go out and get a new sex partner whenever they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 01:50 AM
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On one hand I think that’s kind of true. But on the other that’s only made possible by the fact that we now have contraptives, so it’s an extremely modern invention. And the reason these kinds of relationship so frequently end up blowing up is because it’s against the fundamental grains of our biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 01:46 AM
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Good job?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 12:56 AM
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CMV: FWB relationships benefit men in the same way that open relationships benefit women. You get to openly satisfy your sexual strategy without any requisite tradeoffs.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 12:56 AM
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Sooo… Basically your argument boils down to men shouldn’t have FA rights because female contraceptives are inconvenient.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 12:40 AM
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To some of the women here we’re all the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 11:39 AM
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Whew. I have used women for sex without committing but I’ve never had to pretend anything, so I guess I must be in the clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 10:31 AM
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I don’t judge. Must be tough when 50% of the population scares you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 10:10 AM
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You had some negative interactions with a few redpill men which psychologically scarred you, and therefore you assume that ALL redpill men must’ve been psychologically scarred by women which led to you being negatively treated. Seriously, do you hear yourself? And by the way since I wouldn’t want to scare you, being the gentle guy that I am, let me say that I am not at all angry, just somewhat bemused.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 10:02 AM
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It’s not an arbitrary invalidation of the source. It’s an invalidation based on logic and IMO sound reasoning.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 08:52 AM
3

What about mosquitos?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 08:44 AM
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Nice projections.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 08:44 AM
1

Yes!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 07:36 AM
3

Ya think?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 06:58 AM
1

In terms of my own style it’s mostly all black tactical/athletic/outdoors gear, basically minimalist utilitarian techwear without the cosplay vibes. It’s either that or a bespoke black suit with a black tie, and a black or white shirt.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 06:57 AM
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Again most of them work for me with a preference for lean and hourglass with light muscles. It’s easier to say which ones I find less attractive in collage one: 4 is too thicc, 5 too muscular, 7 skinny fat. But in reality they’d all be fine. Collage two isn’t numbered but girl in white shirt, red dress, and black dress look ideal, but all are fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 06:38 AM
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I gotta be honest when a woman has a nice body everything seems to work for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 06:00 AM
2

Oh wow they made that into a show? I remember watching two film adaptations of that book and really liked both. How is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 05:06 AM
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That’s funny because I was just thinking about this. And yes given that East Asian countries dominate in terms of IQ score and given that both height and IQ are polygenic traits, it makes the most sense to compare populations relative to itself. Notably when I look at the IQ rank by country, most of the Caucasian majority countries are Nordic countries, and they also happen to be greater in size on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 04:56 AM
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I mean it’s a statistical correlation and not a given.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 03:32 AM
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You do you I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 03:31 AM
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Male Fortune 500 CEOs are also significantly above average in height, with an average height of 6ft, and 30% being 6’2 or above. I thought it might be the Halo Effect at work but maybe there’s more.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 03:26 AM
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You lost me at “research does not matter”. But ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 03:21 AM
2

So since I saw a study that suggested that shorter men tend to be matched with fatter and less educated women, and given the IQ highly predicts educational attainment, it made me wonder whether that means over time there would be a statistically significant positive correlation between height and IQ. And apparently there is: https://medicalxpress.com/news/2014-03-genetic-link-height-iq.amp
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 03:16 AM
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This isn’t about opinions online but what the researchers found having statistically signifcant correlations.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 03:09 AM
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It’s not being compared per se, just that those are what correlates respectively.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 03:08 AM
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Sigh. We just have to disagree, since it’s pointless speculating on hypothetical female rosters limits. I have done a number of FWB relationships, and generally speaking the whole point is sex without commitment while you continue to date. Otherwise it’s functionally just an open relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 03:00 AM
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Saw an interesting study that said a wife’s obesity measures negatively correlates with the husband’s income, education, and height. The same correlation is not found with heavier men but rather with shorter men, with short men being matched with heavier and less educated wives. http://www.ivie.es/downloads/docs/wpasad/wpasad-2010-16.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 02:47 AM
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That’s assuming they have one and only one FWB and also does not participate in casual sex otherwise. And even then the whole point of FWB is you are still looking to date on the side and therefore she wouldn’t be off the market.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 02:35 AM
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No.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 02:03 AM
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Fuck no.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 02:03 AM
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It’s only limited if the time horizon is a single moment in time. It’s not limited if the time horizon is the course of her entire dating life. So yeah I guess it’s zero sum if you are talking about say one night in one club, where there is a finite amount of women and each will likely go home with a maximum of one guy. But she could go home with another guy the next night, and then the next night, and then the next night, so on and so forth.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 01:18 AM
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The quantity and quality of options are big differences.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 12:49 AM
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To unattractive men sure. But that doesn’t make it zero sum.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 12:48 AM
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First of all the smallest unit you can breakdown libido is still a single woman, since you can’t have sex with 50% of a woman. So the distinction between women and women’s libido makes no difference. Second of all zero sum means once I get something, no one else can get it, therefore one person’s gain is effectively another person’s loss which sums up to zero. Libido regenerates and therefore it isn’t finite, and a woman can have sex with any number of men. Even if hypothetically it’s always the…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 12:37 AM
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Again, unless having casual sex with one woman prevents her from having casual sex with anyone else, it’s not zero sum. All you are describing is an unequal distribution.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 11:32 PM
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But monogamy is literally zero sum.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 11:14 PM
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Even if women only get it from HVM, if she isn’t required somehow to sleep with just one specific HVM, then it’s not zero sum. All that means is unattractive men don’t get casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 10:59 PM
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But if that is the case then how is redpill a problem? You get your preferred case, and as you argued the better case. They get theirs.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 10:49 PM
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Plate spinning/hookups/STR doesn’t require women to be virgins or have little experience. However I do think it’s true that based on redpill principles low n-count women make for better LTR material. But by that point you’d be in the exit strategy phase and looking to settle down and therefore out of the game. My question though is if you disagree with the redpill, then why would you care about female n-count? And if dating women that has been pumped and dumped actually bothers you, doesn’t that…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 05:11 PM
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It seems like you have it backwards. Strict monogamy is a zero sum game. But in terms of dating/sex, since women (and men for that matter) aren’t single use, how can it be zero sum?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 04:36 PM
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Can you elaborate on the zero sum nature?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 04:03 PM
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I like kids and family is important to me. If not then refer to my previous comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 10:54 AM
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This line of argument is similar to saying “most overweight people that sign up for gyms just end up failing and stay fat anyways, therefore exercising doesn’t work and we should get rid of gyms.”
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 09:09 AM
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Yeah my 3rd was a happy accident.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 08:47 AM
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The only point is for kids. If you don’t want kids or if you find someone who’ll have them with you without the security of marriage, then there is almost zero incentive.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 08:45 AM
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If the girl was hot enough I’d do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 08:43 AM
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Thank you. Like all marriage we have our ups and downs but I can genuinely say that we are partners as well as best friends, and we accept each other’s flaws and push each other to be better people.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 08:42 AM
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I gotta be honest it was a lot less special by the time I had my 3rd kid.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 08:12 AM
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This is not meant as a cop out answer but I genuinely think it’s a continuous lifetime process of not just integrating the Persona but also the Shadow into the Self. But if you mean just how long before I was just comfortable with being able to attract women, I’d say from 16-20 was the process during which I tested my limits and got the necessary positive reinforcement. But then I started to abuse it in an unhealthy way between probably 21-24, doing alot of pump and dumps, casual sex, and FWB ty…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 08:06 AM
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I don’t know that there is really a systematic way for integration other than time, introspection, and continuous positive reinforcements. At least that’s how it was with me when I made a physical transformation, lost weight, gained muscles, grew to 6’2, and experienced an 180 turn socially and sexually.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 06:47 AM
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These polls are always kinda ambiguous because “traditional” is left undefined. I suspect that most women that say no wouldn’t mind having a husband that can fully support her desired lifestyle, they just don’t want the traditional responsibilities associated with such an arrangement.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 06:41 AM
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If there is a demand, there will be suppliers. Banning things don’t actually accomplish anything, it just pushes it underground.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 06:36 AM
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I think the reason one might feel that way is because they did not properly integrate and internalize their redpill Persona with the Self (in the Jungian sense), and as such can suffer from imposter syndrome even if he achieves better results. But I think this is not something unique to redpill, but rather it’s likely common to any self-improvement journey.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 06:26 AM
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For instance you can flatten income differences through taxes and wealth distribution. But then it will likely break the economy and destroy productivity.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 04:55 AM
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The redpill is not some kind of jedi mind trick. In the most reductive sense, it’s just about identifying what women are actually attracted to in reality, and then methodically transform yourself to be consistent with those criterias. And to me at least, the redpill is more of a dynamically evolving set of strategies based on evolutionary thinking than some kind of immutable manifesto. There’s no reason why it has to get in the way of romance and trust etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 04:53 AM
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I don’t think society actually move mountains to help needy demographics. Generally we do the bare minimum needed to temporarily silence the problem without addressing the core underlying problems. The only exception I can think of is women’s rights, and that’s because women are 50+% of society. That said I do agree that some percentage of women would be sympathetic, once it starts to affect their sons and brothers and so forth, or once enough of them start to have trouble finding suitable mates…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 04:41 AM
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There are solutions, it’s just that all of them will have tradeoffs and unforeseen consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 04:31 AM
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I kinda get what you are getting at but I disagree that redpill and bluepill exist at different levels of abstraction. But it’s difficult to precisely dissect the difference because redpill is not a unified viewpoint and bluepill is entirely nebulous. Suffice to say that if one can implement the redpill or at least integrate it into your dating ontology and see a difference in results, then you can’t say that he is operating at an incorrect level of abstraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 04:27 AM
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Higher laws. Higher power seems to imply the existence of a conscious entity, which I do not believe in. I do not believe that life and consciousness was created but rather it’s emergent.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 04:11 AM
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I mean… what the political ask would be is the real question, because anything that infringes on the freedom of the other side will bound to have strong reactions.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 04:03 AM
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But the 2016 study’s findings were not nearly as extreme. Both men and women are more likely to divorce when their partner gets cancer, but the context differs statistically for men and women on the reasoning behind the divorce. Women are more likely to leave their man if the cancer has a higher chance of recurring, and men are more likely to leave the woman due to emotional stress. If anything it reads like women tend to leave men when she thinks he can’t make it, and men tend to leave women wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 03:59 AM
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I just look at it as an exercise in putting my thoughts into words. IRL or in private chat I’d just disengage, but on a public forum it’s at least out there for all to see.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 03:43 AM
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I don’t think democracy would ever work in their favor in this particular situation, as 100% of women and at least 20-50% of men have no incentive to change the system.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 03:41 AM
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Spiritual atheism. I believe in/hope that there are higher laws which we might not be able to access through purely rational means, but it’s not bound to the existence of supernatural entities.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 03:36 AM
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The hotter one, obviously.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 03:29 AM
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I don’t care enough to remember user names but it might be the same couple of people that keep trotting out that same study.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 03:29 AM
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The way society qua dominance hierarchy works is resources flow upwards and shit flow downwards, and people at the top have zero incentive to want to change things to accomodate those at the bottom. Historically the only way the downtrodden can be heard is through violence, and even then only if there is a critical mass.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 03:25 AM
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Everybody loves when they can get something for nothing, or get more out of something than they put in. The likelihood is irrelevant with regards to desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 03:10 AM
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Rarity in and of itself is not enough. It has to be something that the woman wants in the first place but can’t get or is severely lacking.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 03:07 AM
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Can’t speak to what it’s like to be on the spectrum as I have no experience, but I’d classify myself as attractive but socially awkward, at least at one point in time. The only thing that worked for me was just practice and exposure in social situations. Women tend to give you a ton of leeway and interpret your awkwardness in the best possible light if they find you attractive, so take advantage of that and just put in the reps.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 03:03 AM
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It’s no different from women that are born hot and raised rich, and therefore have access to the highest tier of men and are sheltered from being exploited based on your looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 02:57 AM
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I think most of them are running the same programs despite not having children or not having children yet, just like how Men that get vasectomies nevertheless find female fertility traits like youth and hourglass figure attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 12:48 AM
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Of course I appreciate what my wife does, which is alot more than just childrearing. And she appreciates the fact that I bring in the money. It’s mutual.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 12:41 AM
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OP you sound young so I will give you this piece of advice: no one “pill” can describe to totality of human sexual dynamics, and no single prescription will work for everyone; instead, practice your critical thinking faculties, take what is useful, reject what is useless, and synthesize something that works for you. And then some day when you are older and more experienced, you can think about the things you got right and the things you got wrong, and then you can distil it into actionable wisdo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 03:46 PM
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I said childrearing is laborious and time consuming. But it is not difficult in way that rocket science is difficult. And no one takes care of kids 24/7. You might be on call 24/7 but that’s not the same thing, nor is it mom specific. Given my experience raising children I will grant that it can be kind of rough from newborn to toddler age, so to about the age of 2. After they make it into pre-k it gets much easier, and once they hit grade school frankly it isn’t that hard at all and you get ple…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 03:35 PM
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I have three kids and my wife is a stay at home mom. I literally just asked her and she said being a house wife is way easier than grinding a 9 to 5. Sorry if you find something that most women are capable of doing so difficult. Now your circumstances may vary and yes, being a single mom is tough, but it’s also irrelevant because we are talking about fulltime moms and GFs that aren’t required to bring in any income. All your arguments basically just boil down to a bunch of goal post moving. And …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 01:47 PM
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Personally I think it just comes down to these three things: To ensure her offsprings are of high genetic quality. To ensure she has sufficient resources to raise said offsprings. To ensure a high status for herself and her offsprings in the local dominance hierarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 10:23 AM
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Can you link the new study? All I find is the retracted one, and another one that tried to replicate the study and found the error. However I did see that women are more likely to divorce men when their income drops or lose their jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 06:24 AM
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Just let go of that bluepill shit man. In reality most women don’t actually give AF about your virginity status, and if they say they do they’re just trying to hurt you/reject you. In the end it’s just about whether she’s attracted to you. You sound like a nice guy. Too nice for your own good.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 03:02 AM
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That actually would work for most guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 02:45 AM
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I’m not gonna pretend that there aren’t stigmas associated with being a virgin man. But that’s only relevant when the woman isn’t attracted to you and therefore is looking for excuses to reject you, whether consciously or subconsciously. If she likes you, all the negative projections become positive projections — you must be waiting for someone special, that’s so sweet and romantic, maybe I can be that special someone, so forth. Practically speaking there is virtually no difference between a vir…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 02:40 AM
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Read your own post. What is not difficult is knowing what the deal is when it comes to childrearing. That said actually doing it is laborious and time consuming but not particularly difficult, especially if that is indeed your fulltime job. Literally most women can do it. In terms of duties, the fact that you don’t know illustrates my point that it is ambiguous nowadays. What can a man reasonably expect for 100% financially supporting a woman? Something? Nothing? If I ask for chores done and reg…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 02:29 AM
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Women make rules for men they aren’t attracted to and break rules for men they are attracted to. I have slept with multiple women that claimed they didn’t do it on the first date, didn’t do it unless she is in a committed relationship, and even one virgin that claimed she wanted to wait for marriage. If you are indeed “the best man”, your virginity status won’t stop her. It might even be a plus.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 02:08 AM
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I think it is completely irrelevant if you are attractive. If you are unattractive then that’s the real reason for the lack of success irregardless of when you started dating. The only real difference with highschool and college is that you are only competing against other men in the school, and all the women you are surrounded by are within your age range with generally little experience. On top of that you naturally get to spend alot more platonic time with these women if you share classes and…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 01:56 AM
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Not a woman but hypothetically if the ONLY bottleneck is literally your virginity then the obvious answer is hookers. But in reality it is almost never the virginity that’s holding one back. Even women that prefer non-virgins will invariably make exceptions if she likes you.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 01:36 AM
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Mother to children yes, it’s not a difficult concept. What is generally more ambiguous these days is the wife’s duty to the husband, or GF to BF, in the event that she brings in zero income or disproportionately less income.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 01:31 AM
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I mean if you never date guys significantly poorer than you, you can say whatever you want about how you’d act if you did.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 03:58 PM
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I agree. But then paying the bills and then expecting your woman to show her gratitude and appreciation by doing more chores or give more sexual favors will then be framed as “you are throwing money at your GF to make her your bang maid” by many women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 03:42 PM
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If you never date men significantly poorer than you, then you are free to tell men that make more to also pay more because you’d do the same, and you wouldn’t be lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 03:33 PM
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We can’t even get Americans to put down their HoHos and Ding Dongs when obesity is among the leading causes of multiple fatal diseases, what makes you think people give AF about iron inducing heart attacks.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 03:24 PM
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What comparable issue do you think that methods has successfully worked on? How effective are we at stopping things like, I dunno, teen pregnancy, or drug use, or bullying through education? And that’s assuming that you can get the majority to agree that it is an issue to be taught in the first place, which as I said is unlikely to happen since for most people how things are suits them just fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 03:20 PM
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If your proposed solution is the mass indoctrination of children, you’re gonna need a hell of alot more support. Again, the fact is these are problems that effect only a small percentage of low value men. You’re not going to somehow brainwash women into wanting men that they aren’t attracted to, or settling before they’ve had the chance to play the field. And average and above average men that can access casual sex and/or date successfully also have zero incentive to change things. The fact is a…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 02:56 PM
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Yeah I agree that there are probably a whole host of secondary problems that are results of the core problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 12:15 PM
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Agreed. But I’d put in the caveat that this is assuming that you aren’t intentionally deceiving, manipulating, and leading them on in order to take advantage of them. If you aren’t then morally you’re in the clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 11:53 AM
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Being a simp is a choice. You aren’t responsible for other people’s choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 11:43 AM
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I’m not asking anyone to do anything. I’m saying it’s a problem that only effects a small percentage of the total population. And that’s assuming that these men never married involuntarily, when in fact I assume many of them chose to never marry of their own volition. And as I said earlier, the only solutions that does not involve impinging on women’s freedoms are probably all mental health related things. And as you know, at least in America, everyone is responsible for taking care of their own…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 11:38 AM
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Again, at no point in human history did all men get the privilege to breed, so I’m not sure who you mean when you say “we” need to stop pretending. But even today about 82% of American men are married or have been married (vs 95% of American women), so it’s really still a minority problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 11:11 AM
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Yes it’s a non zero possibility. But I assume most men not only want children with a high degree of certainty, but they’d also want to raise them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 10:34 AM
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There are always men that fail to breed, the question is just how many. But if it makes you feel better (and I feel like I’ve been citing this alot these past couple of days), based on two separate mitochondrial DNA analysis, we have twice the female ancestors as male ancestors, and historically about 80% of women successfully reproduce versus just 40% of men. So we already likely live in the most sexually equitable time in human history.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 10:31 AM
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Assuming she’s not on birth control and refuse abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 10:27 AM
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Yes and that is why I think looking at things like how many young men are sexless is missing the big picture, since it could be that everyone’s window is just pushed back. As of right now at least, most people still get paired up eventually; what would be more relevant would be to look at how many single men and women are left past say, age 40 and 35 respectively. Of course I do think that sexual frustration and resentment of a large number of young men is still a real issues. But the only solut…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 10:22 AM
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Frankly I think most women don’t know nor care to know about the resentment of average and below-average men. That said my conjecture is that what actually happens is the age of marriage will be simply be pushed back — the average men and the average women have mismatched values at their sexual prime, but over time the men will gain value by increasing their ability to provide while the women will lose value due to their closing fertility window, so instead of getting married in their 20s now th…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 10:02 AM
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Because if a woman was down to just be a baby mama without securing a marriage and the implied provisioning, then she might as well go for an alpha seed. Why would she settle for an average joe?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 09:44 AM
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I’m sure many people do do that. But then they’d be functionally off the market and wouldn’t be complaining about dating. In addition, from a woman’s perspective, hitching herself to a guy for an extended period of time without securing commitment still represents a big risk since her youth premium on the sexual market is ever decreasing while her fertility window shrinks over time. If you meet a guy at 22 and break up at 30, your options wouldn’t be the same if you are just an average woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 09:41 AM
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I think an average guy can probably relationship hop into his 30s, at which point his dating pool of women in his age range will shrink precipitously, and he wouldn’t have the mojo to pull younger women. And that’s not factoring in children, which most people want at some point in their life. An average guy wouldn’t be able to have baby mamas without marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 09:24 AM
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It’s only a problem when older men date young women, clearly. Didn’t you get the memo?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 08:31 AM
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Depends on who did what to whom.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 08:30 AM
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That would be a relationship, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 08:28 AM
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Sorry I believe I heard it on a podcast but I honestly can’t remember where.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 08:27 AM
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My hypothesis is it has more to do with gender parity in terms of income/status/education crashing against female hypergamy and the cost of living/childrearing. Average men simply do not bring enough to the table to compensate for an average woman’s reproductive costs (both physical and economical) during their respective primes. As such, male physical attractiveness requirements go up in the absence of the ability to provide (for both mother and offsprings) and the average age of marriage gets …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 08:24 AM
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If you are attractive, no. But we are talking about men overall.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 08:01 AM
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That just means you’re getting old.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 07:25 AM
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I like how a bunch of comments are like “well he’s over 30 so it’s fine” and “but he’s an actual adult”.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 07:24 AM
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If we are talking in the most general sense, I think you have to flip the genders. Men are way more thirsty and therefore desperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 06:39 AM
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I’m not a big JP fan outside of his psychology lectures, but IIRC didn’t his wife publically said on their daughter’s podcast or something that she ignored him for years and was fucking around with more manly types in her 20s, and then when he achieved success in academia and other women started wanting him she turned around and snatched him up? I don’t know if I got all the details right but it was something along those lines. And if it’s anything close I’d have to say BB.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 06:33 AM
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No. Sounds pretty reasonable to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 04:00 AM
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Because women are precious and men are expendable. Duh.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 03:59 AM
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please go away.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 03:55 AM
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nope. but apparently you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 12:27 AM
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I’m not. Just be quiet and we done.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 01:07 PM
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So you agree. Thank you for another W. I need more hands to carry them all.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 12:55 PM
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Congrats for winning the made up argument in your own head. I’ll take the actual W. Win-win.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 12:45 PM
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Props for taking the L like a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 12:36 PM
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lol. All you do is move goal posts. My claim from the get go was that personality and social skills are not the same. I’ve proven it and you’ve accepted it. Stop making up new arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 12:17 PM
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Yes Dwight mf Howard can’t dribble like Kyrie, but he can develop a different skill set that suit his physical traits. Likewise people with different personality traits develop different types of social skills. Shit even professional comedians that are all certifiably funny develop different styles and deliveries that suit them. Skill vs trait. Dunno how much clearer I can be.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 11:52 AM
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Weird. Probably a regional thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 11:28 AM
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My claim was that personality and social skills are separate things. And obviously you’ve accepted that. So please just take the L and stop moving the goal post.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 11:26 AM
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That’s an opinion article locked behind a paywall. But based on the number I think it’s referencing a report by McKinsey, a consulting firm, which says there is a correlation between executive diversity and profits. I can’t find any academic studies that confirms this, and most found no statistically significant relations between diversity and profits. In addition when the McKinsey methodology was applied to the SP500 companies it failed to show correlation, let alone causation. In addition ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 11:24 AM
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Is there actual evidence that diversity in staff increases corporate profits?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 10:54 AM
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Sexual selection is only one part of the mechanism for evolution. The other, and arguably more important part for the majority of our evolutionary history, is natural selection. The issue today is we’ve moved mostly beyond natural selection since survivability is generally a non-issue even for the lowest class of people, and all we have left is sexual selection.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 10:28 AM
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lol. It isn’t vague at all and I literally gave you the precise difference. As an analogy, in basketball you have a physique component consisting of your height, size, musculature, and so forth, and then there is a skill component consisting of things like how well you dribble pass and shoot. Your argument is basically like saying “well you need arms to shoot so having arms is the same as shooting ability”. Again, incorrect.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 10:10 AM
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Incorrect. There is a difference between a skill (ie ability) and a trait (ie tendency). Personality is a trait or a collection of traits, while sociality is a skill or a collection of skills. A naturally introverted person for instance can nevertheless, through practice, improve his ability to navigate social situations when necessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 09:34 AM
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That depends entirely on how you define feminist. If you mean someone that believes women should have equal rights in the eyes of the law, then I guess I’d be a feminist. If you mean someone that believes that all societal outcomes needs to be identical between men and women, then probably not.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 08:36 AM
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Most husbands are older than their wife. The problem is how much older is too old is entirely arbitrary.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 07:53 AM
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Social skills =/= personality
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 07:49 AM
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No, your claim was they can do so by working on their personality. TRP =/= working on your personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 07:14 AM
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Sigh. It’s very simple if you had paid attention in class. Most average guys are 4-6/10 give or take a point. TRP can get you maybe +1-2 points depending on your genetics, at which point it could boost you through the threshold. For guys that still don’t make the cut post-TRP, consider moving to a less competitive dating market. Small city, smaller town, overseas, whatever. Or maximize yourself within a smaller niche, like take up a religion or become vegan. If your starting point is too low and…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 07:08 AM
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Because I find you jesus bit hilarious.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 06:55 AM
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🤣🤣🤣 I literally told you that yesterday and now you are parroting what I said back to me. Keep going. What else did you learn from me?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 06:52 AM
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lol. No I’m enjoying this clown show too much. You were literally just telling me yesterday that most men can get women if they work on their personality and learn to be funny. And today this. “just be funny bro”
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 06:50 AM
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The same way it helps anyone. And no, it won’t always work. If it doesn’t, proceed to hookers, dog, and drugs.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 06:47 AM
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“just be jesus bro”
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 06:39 AM
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Yes. But also just learn to socialize bro. Looksmaxx, Moneymaxx, Game, in that order. The holy trinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 06:39 AM
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Can’t in their current state. Hence TRP. Where’s the disconnect?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 06:36 AM
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But like, if you just become an ascetic bro!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 06:32 AM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 06:29 AM
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TRP. If that doesn’t work then geomaxx and move. If that still doesn’t work then hookers for sex, dog for companionship, and drugs to dull the pain. Or I guess make like Jesus and start your own cult. Except this time don’t be celibate.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 06:27 AM
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Literally TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 06:20 AM
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If they were in fact celibate, which there are some evidence that they weren’t, they’d at least be volcels and not incels. Neither were great artists and it’s debatable whether they were great thinkers.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 06:19 AM
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It’s “ad”. I’ll see myself out now.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 06:04 AM
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Which great artists and thinkers were incels 2000 years ago? Can you name 5?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 06:02 AM
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Maybe it’s the sexual frustration that’s driving the achievement and income gap.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 05:57 AM
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Is it possible that it isn’t thrust upon you often because of the way you look, living in a state where you are the ethnic majority? Because certainly within the Asian community many have been forced to think very hard about this, especially over the last couple of years. I’ve lived in California before, and I will say that I know at least a dozen Asian dudes still in California that have recently became gun owners.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 05:40 AM
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But the fact that they are tallied separately shows that there is a meaningful difference between their experience and the experience of visually identifiable minorities. From my perspective as an Asian American that is unmistakably Asian, the experience of white/white-passing hispanics are closer to that of Jewish Americans, Irish Americans, and Italian Americans than other minorities. Cultural pride aside, one can choose to blend in with the mainstream if he or she so wishes. As an aside, give…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 05:19 AM
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Harvard asks, Asians deliver.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 05:11 AM
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Art and music can simply be judged based on portfolios and performances. Theatre would be tough.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 05:08 AM
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Standardized testing is the best option out of a bunch of imperfect options, as it strongly correlates with IQ and academic performance.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 04:41 AM
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Berkeley breaks it down by specific ethnicities — Chinese/Korean/Japanese etc. You tally up all the Asians and it’s about 43%, with 10% internationals most of whom are from Asia. So non-hispanic whites are the largest group only if you count different Asian ethnicities separately. White/white-passing hispanics are the wrench in the system when looking at California, as tallying them one way literally doubles the amount of white people.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 04:34 AM
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Right but it’s an arms race and as you said, it depends on how blatant you are allowed to be. Many Asian kids are already being advised to change their names to something more westernized prior to college application (and anecdotally it works!). I imagine it wouldn’t take much to persuade them to start writing essays about the African American experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 04:19 AM
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I mean ideally all applications will have no gender/race/name and are just assigned numbers. The admissions officers will just have to divine race strictly through the essays and zip codes. And then once that gets figured out you’ll probably get a bunch of Asian families renting PO boxes in disadvantaged neighborhoods and crafting finely tuned racially ambiguous essays about what it’s like growing up as a minority in America.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 04:04 AM
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Caltech is currently 44% Asian Americans and 45% white Americans. Cal is also 9% international, a majority of which are also Asian, so conservatively I’d estimate Cal to be 50% Asian. As a reference California is 15% Asian and 71% white (including white Hispanic/Latinos, but 35% for only non-hispanic whites). I assume the Californian high schools overall follow a similar racial breakdowns as the general population, which means self-identified whites are actually under-represented at Cal, and sli…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 03:50 AM
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Life is a series of trials and errors.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 03:28 AM
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I don’t know wtf a gender abolitionist is but I agree. Biology is inherent, but gender roles are emergent. There is no one way the sexes have to act. We simply adapt to our environment (which also includes our technology), and whatever cultural patterns it spits out is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 03:27 AM
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What a man prefers and what he can actually get are two separate issues, and conflating them only make discussions harder. IMO everyone, both men and women, can like what they like so long as it’s legal. And if they can actualize their preference, well more power to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 03:15 AM
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Congratulations on hitting a PPD milestone.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 02:56 AM
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Straight up bribery is not as easy as you’d think if there isn’t an established pipeline. If you are rich enough just call it a donation and you’d get the same results.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 02:50 AM
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The grey area is private universities that take a lot of public funding, which is basically all of the elite institutions. In any case diversity should mean alot more than just race and gender. And if no one can agree, then merit-based is the only thing that makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 02:45 AM
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I mean it’d be kinda hard to hide it when the campus have buildings bearing your dad’s name.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 02:41 AM
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Exactly. And if I did get into a place I’d know, and more importantly everyone else would know, that I belong there because I earned it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 02:36 AM
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They already have in states like California where race-based admission policies are illegal. But part of it is just the over-qualified Ivy rejects being funnelled there.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 02:29 AM
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I mean… one of the most vocal demographics against AA are Asian Americans, who also don’t benefit from legacy admissions. Personally I think just get rid of both, although with legacy I’d at least understand it’s for alumni donation purposes which for many schools account for a large portion of their endowment.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 02:26 AM
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I mean I think that’s a little bit simplistic with regards to obesity, although I’m sure there are correlations. I don’t want to get into childhood details but I will say that at one point in my early teens my parents did take me to a psychologist against my will. And after one session the psychologist came out and told my parents that there was nothing wrong with me and the issue was the way they were raising me. That kinda shook them and things got better after that. That said growing up isola…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 01:44 AM
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I mean… maybe? I dunno it’s hard to say because so many of these issues can be intertwined with looks. As a fat nerdy kid growing up I actually did have some adverse childhood experiences both in school and at home, was very isolated, and had strong social anxiety. Between 14-15 though I started working out extremely hard because I was sick of being bullied and grew in height and muscle mass tremendously. By 16 I was 6’2 and pretty lean and muscular for my age, my face looked significantly diffe…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 01:09 AM
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What matters is how hot she is.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 11:59 PM
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I think it’s true that women are more selective and less likely to be satisfied. But if you aren’t comparing across genders using the same criteria, then it’s kinda like comparing apples and oranges.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 11:37 PM
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Nothing beyond the occasional hug. Although on second thought for whatever reason when I play sports I do sometimes slap a teammate in the butt when they make a really big play.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 11:25 PM
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IIRC standards of attractiveness are remarkably similar among humans, even if they are from different cultures.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 11:15 PM
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Are you a teenager?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 04:02 PM
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Both, but strictly in terms of physical attractiveness. Primarily I’m trying to gauge the minimal aesthetics threshold, but also secondarily the number of objectively physically attractive men (pure aesthetics).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 03:37 PM
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I think binary classifications are pretty common. I also basically only categorize by “hot” and “not” day-to-day, and you’d have to be at the extreme ends of the spectrum to warrant a separate category.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 03:32 PM
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Interesting. And what about the percentage of men that you would consider objectively good looking? Just as a contrast.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 03:25 PM
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No 40% seems pretty reasonable. What about objectively speaking, if you had to put a number on it?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 03:23 PM
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I’m more interested in as a whole but within your age range… but dang 60-70%. Would you say men in your area are significantly better looking than average?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 03:19 PM
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Understandable. I’m just trying to gauge where the minimal aesthetic threshold is roughly speaking.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 02:58 PM
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Fair. My follow up is more about just minimally good looking enough that you would date them, even if it isn’t solely based on looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 02:40 PM
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5% ish sound fair?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 02:32 PM
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What about just good enough to date? Out of 100 randomly selected men within a 10 year age range of you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 02:28 PM
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You got hard scientific numbers on the percentage of men women consider physically attractive? I’d be genuinely interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 02:26 PM
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So 50% give or take?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 02:22 PM
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And if you widen that to minimally good looking enough to date, what would that number be?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 02:13 PM
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Yes and hot girls are a dime a dozen on IG. Most of them need a niche, and those are some of the most popular ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 02:10 PM
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I’ll just ask PPD women in the new daily as a point of reference.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 02:06 PM
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Q4W: If you had to put a number on it, what percentage of men do you think are legitimately physically attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 02:05 PM
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I disagree. Gamer girls, gun girls, and car girls all have enormous and primarily male followings on social media if they are sufficiently attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 01:53 PM
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Women aren’t a monolith, so honestly I don’t know. But if I had to guess, yeah I think most women find a minority of men (less than 50%) straight up attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 01:36 PM
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Who are these “people”? She would be literally stating a fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 12:21 PM
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More like her hobbies are not as important as how she looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 12:19 PM
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A man’s gotta make some sacrifices.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 12:07 PM
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Very simply, it’s because personality doesn’t matter if you are unattractive. If the advice to work on one’s personality is framed as “if you are already at least moderately attractive to a woman, working on your personality can make you more attractive”, you’d get almost zero pushback.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 12:06 PM
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I once saw a dude whose GF got her ass grabbed by some drunk fool at bar and he was too pussy to do anything about it and just stood there and didn’t say anything. The look she gave him is something I’ll never forget, like a mix of anger, disappointment, and pity all rolled into one.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 11:41 AM
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Maybe he should move on to mid 20s women instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 11:33 AM
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Like I said you made the claim, so the onus of proof is on you. The follow-up studies I posted are just for perspective, as presumably things like “intelligence” and “ambition” in a speed dating context can be a pseudo proxy for personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 11:27 AM
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Here is a speed dating study that asked participants to rate others based on three criteria: looks, intelligence, ambition. Unsurprisingly looks came out on top for both men and women by very similar amounts. However women value intelligence in men twice as much as vice versa. And men do not value intelligence nor ambition in women when it exceeds his own. Women also favored men raised in affluent zip codes and men of similar race, while men have no preference in either regard. Women also became…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 08:25 AM
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I already agreed that most men can and should improve, so I don’t know why you keep repeating it. YOU made the claim that most men can pass the minimal aesthetic threshold, so the onus is on YOU to prove that claim. What I said was I don’t think that’s a given, but I don’t know what the actual percentages are. OKCupid is one data point, and I already said I don’t think it reflects reality, but I brought it up to use as the extreme end of the estimate. Anecdotally, most women I know do not find m…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 08:05 AM
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This is getting repetitive and you seem to be projecting alot of things that I did not actually say. To be very clear, I am not saying one should throw money at your partner and expect her to be your maid. I’m saying finances is a legitimate contribution to the household, and so is doing chores. But so is providing emotional support, maintaining a social network, keeping the books, planning vacations, giving massages, making it exciting in the bedroom, so on and so forth. There are many ways to …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 07:49 AM
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You keep saying that most men are capable of passing the attractiveness threshold. And as I said, I don’t think that’s a given. Now I don’t take any single study as gospel, I’m just pointing out what it says. But take for instance the infamous OkCupid study — women in aggregate find only 20% of men attractive. Now I don’t believe it’s that extremely in real life interactions, and I don’t know what the true value is, but even if we widen that to 50%, that would still leave half of total men in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 07:27 AM
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Again, what the study actually said was when the man is not attractive their personality doesn’t matter AT ALL, despite the women claiming otherwise via self-report. But yes, if you are moderately attractive and competing with men that are highly attractive, you could be perceived as more favorable, but more so by the mother than by the daughter. The daughter value genetic fitness traits over anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 06:52 AM
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Even if both people work, if one person contributes disproportionally more, then that person is contributing more to the household, all else being equal. Can we at least agree on that? And if we agree, then I don’t think it’s unreasonable to negotiate for the other person to contribute more in another area such that the arrangement is equitable. It doesn’t have to be chores, it could be anything, and what the terms are is up to the couple to decide.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 06:18 AM
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I agree that personality matters. But physical attractiveness matter the most according to the study, and the more attractive the man the less personality traits matter. In addition, the study also found that looks matter far more than the self-reported preferences of the women, both the daughter and the mother picking for the daughter. And I also don’t think it’s a given that most men meets the minimal aesthetics threshold of most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 05:16 AM
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https://www.researchgate.net/publication/314654065_The_Importance_of_Physical_Attractiveness_to_the_Mate_Choices_of_Women_and_Their_Mothers Personality matters. But only after you’ve passed the minimal aesthetic threshold.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 04:56 AM
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Not how much you make. How much you contribute. Most people don’t like working either but somebody has to pay the rent.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 04:33 AM
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I’m already married and yeah physical appearance was a factor. It’s not the only factor, but it matters to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 04:29 AM
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I think the bigger issue is when you marry one type and then she turned into another type. But hey, if you believe that love conquers all, good for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 04:13 AM
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Why is it silly to bring up financial contributions? It’s part of the negotiation. The woman can counter with her own offer and reasonings. For instance if she works longer hours and have less free time despite earning less, it’s a perfectly valid point to bring up. She can then give her own idea on what would be fair and equitable, and it’s not limited to just chores vs money. My point is that financial contribution is also valid and should not be dismissed or discounted.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 02:47 AM
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I agree that many psychological traits are heritable, but to be fair we know very little about the extent to which they are. My point is it’s no different from other undesirable traits in that it is detrimental to mating, although frankly I did not compare the stats. So if the argument is that autism is underrated in terms of the severity of its impact, then I’d say you’ve changed my mind. If the argument is that it’s underrated in that it isn’t discussed enough, then I’d say autists account for…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 01:42 AM
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I posted one.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 11:58 PM
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No. It’s 5 minutes of googling based on things I’ve read in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 11:58 PM
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If a situation is negotiated and deemed acceptable to both parties, I don’t see what the issue is.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 11:51 PM
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The way it works is you negotiate an arrangement that is acceptable for both partners based on the different things each contribute to the living situation. Finances is just one factor, but a factor nonetheless.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 11:48 PM
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Sure. Here is a speed dating studies that show that in real life interactions (ie not self reported by women) women value physical attractiveness more than other traits. In fact it finds that for men, being physically attractive increases speed dating success far more than for women, suggesting that women actually care about looks more than men even though they self-report that they don’t. http://arno.uvt.nl/show.cgi?fid=143282 But there are actually a lot of speed dating studies and most of the…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 11:43 PM
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I cannot find this study. Do you have a link or at least a title?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 11:18 PM
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lol. Okay we’re done here.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 03:25 PM
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That’s hardly universal and most of the commandments are obsolete, defunct, inapplicable today, preferentially applied, or conveniently ignored day-to-day. Pretty much like most man-made rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 03:25 PM
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I don’t think it’s as straight forward as money for chores since alot more goes into a relationship than just those two things. But certainly if one partner does more in one area, it is reasonable to expect the other partner to pick up more in another area, whether it’s chores or something else. The point is financial contribution matters and counts for something. How much it counts for is up to the couple to negotiate.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 03:15 PM
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Then breaking up is always an option. I wouldn’t be with someone long term if I didn’t respect her.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 02:34 PM
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Interesting. What are some examples of such rules?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 02:30 PM
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Is everything about sex with you? /s
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 02:03 PM
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I set a goal for 100% gains on my USD stock portfolio this calendar year. I’m currently only half way there but I guess I got two more months.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 01:59 PM
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You ever think that maybe it’s this exact meddling in the natural order of things that causes these market inefficiencies and boom-bust cycles? Similar to how government attempts to control and manipulate the free market in one place invariably cause things to break in another place? Markets are essentially a human hivemind consisting of trillions upon trillions of neurons made manifest into reality. Is it possible to actually, effectively, and permenantly social engineer the course of human act…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 01:55 PM
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It depends on the nature of your income. Most people I know that make that much don’t do it through hourly work but through owning equity. Your time is limited. Let your money do the work for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 01:29 PM
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If we look at our evolutionary history through mitochondrial DNA analysis, we have twice the female ancestors as we do male ancestors. So only 50% of men getting the opportunity to breed doesn’t really faze me, just hopefully it is the fitter half that do, while the rejected half pass from the gene pool peacefully. But ultimate it isn’t up to me to decide what constitutes fitness — sexual selection is the job of women in aggregate.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 01:22 PM
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Yes but that’s sort of the point of living together before marriage, no? To figure out if there are any irreconcilable differences in value before tying the knot.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 01:09 PM
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To be completely honest, even in a hypothetical scenario where male sexlessness continues to grow, my primary interest would be with regards to what societal damage it would cause and how to minimize said damage while maintaining enough productivity for the rest of the breeding pairs to sustain a prosperous life. On an evolutionary timeline, men (and women) that failed to breed are basically irrelevant after a single generation.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 01:04 PM
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To me marriage is pretty binary, either you are or you aren’t. But even inside a marriage there are negotiations to be made which IMO should factor in financial contributions.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 12:38 PM
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My stance is monogamy doesn’t require saving, even in this day and age. Most people are still getting married, and most people are monogamous, same as it ever was. The primary inequity happen at the two ends of the distribution, but I don’t personally think it’s necessary to social engineer a scenario where more LVM and LVW pair up. In fact in a way it may be the societal superorganism self-regulating in the absence of other culling mechanisms like war.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 12:35 PM
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I don’t think there is any one method that is necessarily better than another. I just see it as a negotiation for an arrangement acceptable to both. If the GF is down to do more work for less rent that is perfectly fine. I don’t see it as anti-human or undignified or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 12:29 PM
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The way I run my household post-marriage is I contribute 100% of my income. Everything is shared because we are one unit. There’s no fucking way I’d do that for a GF.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 12:00 PM
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I mean there’s no way to really quantify their marital satisfaction back then. Especially when the women (and men for that matter) likely lack all basis for comparison other than their tribal traditions.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 11:58 AM
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Nah I disagree. I mean yes it doesn’t matter how much money you make. But it absolutely matters how much you contribute financially towards the household. If a woman I am dating tried to convince me it doesn’t then it would mean we have fundamentally different values.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 11:53 AM
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Lack of options.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 11:36 AM
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I find his GF extremely passive aggressive and emasculating, which to me is a giant red flag. I also think the guy appear weak based on his edits, and just based on his post it doesn’t seem like his woman particularly respects him. That said it’s hard to judge whether the chores were equitable and the GF’s standards reasonable. But if a woman expects me to perform up to a standard beyond my own preference, then I’d expect her to do the same in some other area that I deem important, and we’d nego…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 11:36 AM
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Personally I hate the concept of judging productivity (or for that matter contribution) using hours worked, because it functionally punishes efficiency. If I make more and contribute more financially, that definitely counts for something regardless of how many hours I work.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 11:20 AM
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I mean, the hard bottleneck for harems in a hunter-gatherer scenario is the ability to provide, and to a lesser extent there are likely also soft bottlenecks like social disapproval if an apex male goes overboard in hogging sexual resources. But while most older societies were selectively polygamous, the majority of mating pairs were nevertheless monogamous due to resource constraints, but with varying degrees of extra-pair mating (cheating) happening concurrently. So in that sense, monogamy was…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 10:54 AM
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Men find a much greater percentage of women attractive than vice versa, at least in speed dating and OLD scenarios. That is by definition a greater range, at the very least in terms of physical characteristics. Women put less emphasis on looks relative to men, but have higher standards for what is considered physically attractive. But yes female assessment of overall male attractiveness is more holistic and I do believe most men can improve, but that doesn’t mean looks don’t matter to women (and…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 10:37 AM
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As a reference my cousin that is head of radiology at his hospital makes about $450k a year last I checked, which was more than a decade ago so likely alot more today. Another one in finance makes about $250k base but the bonuses are usually bigger than her salary. I have another that’s a family doctor with a side gig taking shifts in ERs and I believe he makes about $350k a year. We are also 2nd generation immigrants so we have a family culture of saving money, paying off debts, and investing, …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 10:21 AM
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I don’t offhand know the stats on western Europe, but I would guess that better social safety nets for all and better work-life balance leads to more equity in the dating market. America is particularly cut-throat in those respects.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 10:10 AM
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She said men raised in an upper-class environment. And if you are raised upper-class, then you are by definition generationally rich. OP was talking about UMC.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 10:06 AM
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Most UMC people in the US are or will be millionaires in their lifetime. Most of my extended family are UMC working mostly in finance and medicine, and all of them have multiple millions by age 40. Even one of my younger cousin who just lived at home and work for the government have saved and invested for a million dollars by her mid 30s. None of them though are what I would consider fuck-you rich, which if I had to put an arbitrary number on it would be a networth of 20+ million, although depen…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 10:02 AM
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Historically humans have always followed the mating pattern of polyamory at the top, monogamy in the middle, and no mates for the bottom tier men. And in the past one of the natural off-set for excess males at the bottom of the hierarchy has been warfare. Either you win and capture more women and resources, or at the very least you reduce the number of men which in turn decreases sexual competition. The other natural off-set is the tribe splits and the excess men can go off and explore new terri…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 09:49 AM
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I don’t think you can speak for the whole body-positivity community. But sure, I’ll accept that that’s your personal stance and I agree that we shouldn’t be assholes to unattractive people.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 09:25 AM
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I’m not quite at that level of eliteness but I’d say I’m in the vincinity — 6’2, just under half mil a year (although I got here post-marriage), briefly modelled when I was young, and around 138 IQ when I got tested as a kid. What I did was work out a ton when I was a teenager (I grew up a nerdy fat kid), had a lot of casual sex and a number of FWBs throughout college and my early 20s, tried everything I’ve wanted to try and got it all out of my system, then found a sweet, smart, and fit low N-c…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 09:19 AM
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I wouldn’t frame it as women decided they don’t want the old monogamy paradigm. What we are actually reorganizing around is the new resource distribution paradigm, which began with women entering the work force and displacing males, followed by increasing inequality in income distribution, followed by the new knowledge economy which further displaced low socio-economic status males. Layered on top of that is the fact that public resources are continually being directed towards female-centric pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 08:54 AM
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Can you cite them?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 07:14 AM
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OP was talking about UMC and not upper class. But I know enough trustfund babies to know that hedonism is the norm and not the exception, even if it is important to keep up appearances.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 04:11 AM
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This brings back memories of when I went to a private boarding school and found out the school janitors were all drug dealers for the rich kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 04:05 AM
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It’s not just PPD. People can get weird about money and class in general, especially young people with little real world experience or people that go through life on a track.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 03:44 AM
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Your social network is not the only factor that determines your attractiveness. My point is just that it can be a factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 03:22 AM
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The only time that is the case is when those men compensate for lack of physical attractiveness with extreme wealth and status.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 03:15 AM
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It doesn’t have to be sexual in all circumstances. But it is inherently sexual in the context of mating, which is what this sub and this thread is about. But your looks does affect you socially across many contexts, and lookism is one of the most studied topics in psychology.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 03:13 AM
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I don’t understand. If you agree with me then you agree that your social network and friends can effect how well you date.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 03:10 AM
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It’s more accurate to say that status in the dominance hierarchy makes a man attractive. Power is inherent to status, though it can come in different forms. Money is a proxy for status, especially this day and age, although I would say having money doesn’t make one inherently attractive but spending money can if it’s on the right things.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 02:55 AM
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It’s not about how many friends you have but how high status your friends are. As an extreme example, if you are rolling with athletes and celebrities, you would indeed get more access to women due to your perceived status by osmosis.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 02:48 AM
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Except the way it plays out in reality, if sex has zero consequences, then high value men have disproportional access to casual sex, which in turn compresses the options of average and below-average men. Functionally you would be maximizing only the female and HVM access to casual sex, while average and below average men bear the externality costs. Now, I have no issue with this and I too participated in casual sex and FWB arrangements before marriage, but that’s the reality. Now comparatively, …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 02:43 AM
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Until you get to men that are at the bottom of the barrel and have no place left to dig. And if we’re just talking about sex, most women can just post a sign and have multiple options, no digging required. And again, I will be intellectually honest and say that most women also don’t value casual sex highly, especially casual sex with unattractive men. Men and women just prioritize different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 02:15 AM
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And women don’t? Humans hierarchize. It’s in our mammalian DNA.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 02:05 AM
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I don’t consider gender differences unfair, since the genders are inherently different.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 02:04 AM
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Tell me you’ve never partied with trustfund babies without telling me you’ve never partied with trustfund babies.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 01:57 AM
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I am a multi-millionaire. And plenty of multi-millionaires are players if they made their money young. And plenty more fuck around after they are married. And that’s not counting old money men that are just born generationally rich, many of whom party like nobody’s business and presumably are from the highest class. It sounds more to me like you only interact with a very specific demographic of UMC individuals, or you don’t actually know the shit that goes on behind the scenes. Edit: And to be c…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 01:54 AM
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It might be improbable, since women with as high a sex drive and a high libido man is inherently rare, but it’s not unrealistic because they exist and there are couples like that in reality. The bigger question is what do you mean by fair versus unfair? It’s not unfair to have whatever preference you want. But it would be unfair and unrealistic if you feel like you are entitled to get a woman that matches your preferences, because human mating is inherently unfair in terms of equity.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 01:45 AM
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Any option unattractive men have unattractive women also have. And then they also have the free option. A more intellectually honest response would have been many women would rather be alone than be with an unattractive man, which I would accept as fair. Like I said my point is it’s different. That’s it. It’s difficult to quantify suffering.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 01:32 AM
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Now look at what kinda men those same starlets go for in real life and report back.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 01:25 AM
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Beauty in the human context, sure. Beauty in the sexual context, no. And most people can’t. That’s why it’s a platitude. That’s my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 01:22 AM
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“Real relationships” implies you can at least have relationships, just not “real” ones (whatever that means). Again I’m not dismissing the struggles women face in dating, just that it’s not the same as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 12:38 AM
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But that’s just moving the goal post. I’m sure unattractive women stuggle too, the point is the degree relative to unattractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 12:28 AM
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I agree with don’t be mean because that’s just being a decent human-being. That doesn’t mean all people are beautiful, and that doesn’t stop differential treatment based on looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 12:25 AM
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But that’s the point — women’s problem is they can’t get the guy they want; unattractive men can’t get women period.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 12:07 AM
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Except most people are. Having grown up an overweight kid that then grew to 6’2 and worked my ass off to get jacked in my teens, I can say with first hand experience that people treat you entirely differently based on how you look. And not just people that wanna fuck you but also people that wanna be you or befriend you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 12:00 AM
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Classifying and categorizing is what all humans do. No point pretending otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 11:57 PM
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As if women don’t put men into categories based on looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 11:46 PM
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Put simply, men put more weight in a woman’s looks but have a much greater range for what is considered attractive. Women put less emphasis on looks but are much more narrow and strict about what is considered attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 11:46 PM
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“Everyone is beautiful” is just empty platitude we tell unattractive people. Everyone knows it’s not true, at least from a mating perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 11:40 PM
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While I do think that wait time is correlated with attraction levels, assuming that the woman does find you sexually attractive, I find that alot of times it has just as much to do with how time-efficient you are at escalating sexually. Most women will give you signals that she likes you, but generally speaking it’s up to the man to make the first moves at each stage of the progression.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 11:36 PM
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There are also studies that say women are more likely to orgasm with partners that are more attractive, and studies that say women’s orgasm frequency increases with the income of their partner. So basically it’s just that women don’t orgasm as often as men no matter what, but they’ll be more likely to do so with high SMV men regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 11:26 PM
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If I had to guess, the richest and/or the smartest tend to be the most internationally mobile.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 03:51 PM
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When I was young (16-19) I liked women that were a couple years older (20-24) too. And then my preferences just never changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 03:45 PM
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You know what’s funny? I was thinking about this the other day and where I live (East Asia) low-n/thin/young is basically understood as the standard ask, and men here don’t really have to justify or apologize about having those preferences. So in a way here Redpill is kinda like the Bluepill default here, while Blackpill (lookism standards) is the Redpill contrarian view.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 03:41 PM
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Redpill is the new Bluepill. Blackpill is the new Redpill.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 03:34 PM
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woosh.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 03:33 PM
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But you can’t discuss “culture” in that context without being labelled a racist.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 03:32 PM
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All the “hot” Bollywood stars are basically all white-passing or middle eastern looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 03:29 PM
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If you are ugly doing anything could also get you labelled a “creep” and what not.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 12:41 PM
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Many traits can be detrimental to a man’s dating success — height, face, weight, status, wealth, sociality, so forth. If you isolate any of those factors I would bet all my money that below-average men in any of those traits will also net below-average results. The only reason neuro-typicality would be under-rated is due to the fact that you can’t immediately visually identify it, which already make you more fortunate than the other undesirable traits. Women are more risk averse and eugencists b…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 12:03 PM
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Your imagination is too limited. Flight as given here is functionally also superhuman strength and superhuman speed if you can levitate and move body parts. Teleportation in this scenario is nerfed to hell and you can’t even move up a hill or a flight of stairs.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 02:49 AM
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Given how restricted the teleportation is, I’d take flight. 100 mph is the maximum. It doesn’t mean you always have to go 100 mph. Also depending on how the force generation works and how finely tuned the control is, you functionally also have superhuman strength and superhuman speed. A boxer for instance has an average punch speed of 20 mph, and if I can levitate just my fist and move it at 30 mph or whatever the limit my bones can take is, I can basically punch harder than anyone on Earth. Sam…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 02:14 AM
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I train 80% calisthenics/weighted calisthenics 20% kettlebells/sandbags now at 40, but it’s for the ease of maintainence and to minimize chance of injury, as well as for enhancing general athletic performance. Strictly in terms of hypertrophy though, I think standard weight training with heavy weights is probably more time-efficient and has a lower learning curve when trying to progressively overload. In the end though, resistance is resistance. As long as you are consistent you will see results…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/22 06:59 AM
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That’s just a function of males being hornier.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 06:01 AM
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Meh. I don’t say anything during purge that I don’t already say normally. Even trolling takes too much effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 05:58 AM
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What do you mean? People going easier on you or be more willing to help you is a HUGE advantage in life, especially if that person is in a position of power. It can be the difference between success and failure, getting a job versus not getting a job, a good social circle vs a poor one, so on and so forth. And those advantages can all compound over time. At most you can say some attractive people leverage that advantage better than others. That said for men it’s more of a force amplifier. You st…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 05:53 AM
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If you simp for each other and only for each other then it’s not simping. It’s like if you constantly fuck the shit out of each other and only each other then it’s not being a slut.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 03:18 AM
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Agreed. Having capped shoulders, muscular arms, pronounced traps, and a six pack will make a bigger difference aesthetically than how much you squat bench and deadlift, despite the latter being better indicators of real strength. For guys that lift primarily to attract women, focus on being lean and work your military presses and lateral raises as well as shrugs, and balance it out with pull-ups for a broad back and better posture.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 03:15 AM
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I mean technically having wider shoulders with bigger muscles and greater height is also a product of puberty. It’s just women tend to put far greater focus on the top percentile of men in her environment so it has alot more to do with how you compare to other men she interacts with.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 03:05 AM
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Women definitely ogle men. It’s just a much smaller percentage of men are considered ogle-worthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 02:57 AM
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Sex itself is preferrable to jerking off. But if you have to jump through a million hoops and spend time and resources to get said sex, then it becomes a chore.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 02:53 AM
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CMV: Simp-shaming is just the male version of slut-shaming. It’s to prevent them from lowering the price of their goods which would in turn force other men to lower their price.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 02:49 AM
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It’s not just a matter of safety, but women also have a much greater need for discretion due to societal stigma.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 06:05 AM
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I’ve met some men that are in kink communities. None of them are what I’d call physically handsome. Having very specific kinks puts you in really really niche markets where there is actually less competition, not more.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 06:03 AM
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If the problem is that “the average life” is too low in terms of quality of life and standard of living, that’s a bigger issue far beyond the scope of just sexual dynamics.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 05:08 AM
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So basically your viewpoint boils down to the average man struggles because he’s average and live an average life, and women don’t want average guys. And your suggestion is that they become above-average. …you do realize that that’s basically the entire premise of redpill right?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 04:28 AM
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They can’t have enough in common because… why? And why is it not possible for the young person to be incredibly mature?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 12:14 PM
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I’m sorry you don’t get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 10:23 AM
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Yeah just google positive assortive mating studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 10:23 AM
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Who?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 08:05 AM
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But there are also many studies that show that people want mates that are phenotypically similar to themselves (positive assortive mating). It seems likely that there are just many attraction signals that are adaptive for different reasons, and sometimes they oppose each other and we have to split the difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 07:48 AM
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I’m not sure what you mean by TRP being a defense mechanism. To me it’s just a list of things that females are attracted to and the evolutionary reasonings behind them, coupled with suggestions on how to improve yourself in those areas.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 07:41 AM
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Imagine applying the typical “age gap bad” logic to literally anything else. “What can a white person and a black person possibly have in common?” “Omg the power dynamic differential between a guy making 150k and a girl that makes 100k!” “Same sex relationships have statistically the highest rate of domestic abuse so obviously all LGBTQ people are abusers.” Maybe I’m in the minority but it’s all equally cringe AF. Consenting adults can date other consenting adults. Human beings can find common g…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 06:46 AM
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There are many teenagers that are more interesting and intelligent than your average adults.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 06:25 AM
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Just the obnoxious ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 04:51 AM
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I think she’s talking about your mom.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 03:34 AM
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Well what else is he supposed to do? Obviously other 60 year old women are too high value for him and won’t date him.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 03:29 AM
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I agree. As much as I like breasts, saggy floppy tits are way worse than having none at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 01:50 AM
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In terms of pure aesthetics, all else being equal women lose collagen in their face faster than men. In addition, for men with good facial bone structures, losing collagen can actually make your face leaner and expose the structure underneath. This is why some Hollywood actors actually do peak aesthetically in their 30s and still look good into their 40s as they shed their baby fat. A good example of this is someone like George Clooney, who looks slightly doughy facially in his 20s, but became p…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 01:49 AM
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You lost me when you said the hippie movement was apolitical. Wtf are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 12:54 AM
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They can move or they can vote the other way. Otherwise that’s the nature of democracy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 03:33 PM
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If the sex is good and I don’t need to invest anything into her (or at least the investment is minimal), then yes. That said I will cut ties and ghost if I sense that the woman is emotionally unstable and potentially dangerous to me or to herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 03:31 PM
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Was about to write the same thing. Guess now I don’t have to.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 03:20 PM
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While it’s true that I value intelligence not at all in a short term partner, I do value intelligence and educational attainment very highly in a long term partner. Just not as highly as I do physical attractiveness. But here’s the thing — I value a woman’s intelligence for its utility. I want intelligent children, and also the mother’s educational attainment is highly correlated with that of the kids. Additionally having an intelligent partner is useful for problem solving and tracking interper…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 03:02 PM
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Trying to be good looking and hot is like 50% of what redpill is focused on, and probably 95% of what blackpill is about. The problem is alot of the things that make a man good looking and hot is genetic, so results vary greatly.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 02:40 PM
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Agreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 01:15 PM
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Makes sense. Attractive people pair off early while older singles in general tend to be the leftovers in the dating market.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 12:44 PM
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The idea that a woman has to be matched to a man of equal sexual value is driven by the underlying assumption of everyone being monogamously paired off. And while this might be a stronger assumption when discussing marriage prospects, it isn’t the case in the context of dating/casual sex/FWB relationships. In reality most people, both men and women, do eventually pair off and marry, and most of them with their looks-match. Most of the inequalities between men and women and HVM and LVM happen pri…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 11:24 AM
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Hard to say without context and hard to judge what his wife deserves without knowing the inner workings of what she contributed. Alimony from Bezos I don’t think is particularly controversial, but a $38 billion divorce settlement is usually where the contention lies. Personally given that it is only 25% of Bezos’ Amazon shares and she gave up her stakes in Blue Origin and Washington Post, it seems reasonable to me. If I cheated on my wife and she filed for divorce, 20-25% is about what I’d be wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 10:22 AM
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It was cathartic.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 10:11 AM
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Very reasonable and entirely consistent with my own conclusions as a man that got tired of casual sex and FWBs and found fulfilment in family life. But I’m sure if it was delivered by man you’d have a legion of feminists cryjng foul. However the one thing I’ disagree with is that if you are a HVM, you are never stuck in the hookup culture cycle. You can literally just choose to stop at any time with all your value intact, and it might even increase your longterm mating options due to pre-selecti…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 10:06 AM
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Well how else are they gonna get free validation just for existing?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 09:27 AM
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I don’t have an issue with men who cheat or abuse having to pay alimony if all divorce cases are fault based, and in cases where there is zero provable fault neither party get payouts.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 09:26 AM
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I suggest we open up zoning laws and let developers build. Anyway you claimed triple population growth so I didn’t check the numbers. I did the inflation adjusted numbers and it’s about 500% growth. Edit: And the reason my original number didn’t adjust for inflation is because your OP specifically discounted inflation.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 06:17 AM
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Again missing the point. The lands exist and we aren’t physically constrained. The constraints are beauracratic and economic. Your population argument falls apart when we just look at the actual numbers — population size has grown 300% since 1950, but median home price has grown 6000% since 1950 (from roughly $7k to $430k). It is clearly not population growth driving the price increase.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 04:51 AM
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My 11 year old son is apparently a baby chad. Got a call from school that two girls were involved in a fist fight over who should be his girlfriend. When I asked him he said he is involved with neither just bitches be crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 03:30 AM
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That’s not the point. The point is there are tons of land and we are nowhere close to the saturation point.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 03:27 AM
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The amount of land isn’t the limiting factor. If the entire world population live at the population density of NYC, we’d all fit inside of Texas. The US specifically has tons of land, the issue is building restrictions.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 02:03 AM
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Seems like short dudes would want taller girls for the purpose of children.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 12:17 AM
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On average, definitely models.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 12:13 AM
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I don’t know that average and below-average men were ever wanted more. They were certainly needed more.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 12:13 AM
9

An expected dodge.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 10:51 PM
21

Confirmation bias is a hell of a drug.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 10:47 AM
1

I don’t really understand why the additional class analogy layer is necessary given that the sexual market place concept as well as the different tiers of men are already well-known, well understood, and discussed here daily. In addition, even in your own post you alluded to women conforming to the selection habits of high value men. That is in a nut shell female sexual competition, which contradicts your assertion that women don’t need to compete. They absolutely do, just not for average to low…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 09:58 AM
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I wonder if the OP would address this. Or just conveniently ignore it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 09:41 AM
4

But you aren’t married, let alone married for decades. It’s a different calculus.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 09:29 AM
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Firstly, 80% of men don’t leave their wives so clearly, an overwhelming majority of men are perfectly capable of caretaking. Male and female psychologies are largely overlapping, and the biggest differences you’ll see happen at the end of the distribution. My point is that women are in general psychologically more suited for caretaking, as reflected by the gender proportions in industries like nursing and early education. Secondly, I didn’t say women don’t work, or work hard. I said married men …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 07:17 AM
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You are missing the point. Biologically ingrained instincts don’t care if they “makes sense” or not. And I’m responding specifically to your speculation on the social acceptability of age differences. In regards to men leaving the wives at greater rates, I think the obvious answer is women in general are better psychologically equipped to be caretakers. But I think the more subtle reason is that men, especially among older populations, tend to be the primary bread earners that make more money an…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 06:50 AM
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It’s kind of crazy how often this has to be explained, but the PRIMARY reason men across all ages find young women (physically) attractive is because we have evolved to find health and fertility signals attractive. Human aesthetics isn’t arbitrary and doesn’t come out of nowhere, there’s a reason why we find certain things beautiful. Heck even the socialized aspects of aesthetics have functional roots. It’s more socially acceptable for men to date younger women because virtually all neuro-typica…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 05:52 AM
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Where?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 02:43 AM
2

Not average guy dating a cute girl but a legitimately repulsive looking guy dating a model look woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 02:27 AM
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I’ve heard at least a dozen women IRL say they want 6ft+ men. Some of the frame it as hard requirements, some of them frame it as a strong preference, but really it’s all the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 01:58 AM
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We live in different worlds then because 3/10s should be legitimately ugly AF, just one step above physical deformities. A 3/10 would have a combination of multiple undesirable characteristics — fat/ugly face/balding/short/infirm and so forth. And I take “very attractive women” to mean at a minimum borderline model-tier, since it is apparently beyond just being regularly attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 01:11 AM
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I guess I’ve seen it with very wealthy men who is a 3/10 on account of his age dating model tier women, but we all know what those relationships are about. And sure I’ve seen couples where the woman is slightly more attractive, a 5 dating a 6, a 6 dating a 7 and so forth. My best guess is the OP has very low standards for what a “very attractive woman” means.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 12:13 AM
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I disagree. Men have a much, much higher tolerance for women being weak and instinctually seek to protect them. And it starts from childhood. It is important for boys to learn to stand up for themselves and are judged by the adults and their peers for their ability to do so, whereas little girls have more leeway to appeal to and are shielded from harm by authority figures. Even parents do not treat their sons and daughters the same way, and IMO correctly so.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 11:38 PM
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Where are all these fabled 3/10 men dating very attractive women? Can anyone else confirm that they are everywhere? Because I do go outside and I talk to a lot of people, but I’ve never actually seen this in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 11:25 PM
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I’m confused. So men are allowed to be emotionally vulnerable but only if it is at the appropriate level and only if you do not deem it whining? I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again — men can show emotional vulnerability to their women if they do so from a position of strength. A strong man being occasionally vulnerable can make him seem more human and relatable without damaging the woman’s sense of security, and it can feel like a privilege to be inside your head. A weak man being vulner…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 11:18 PM
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Nothing wrong with meat as long as it’s not processed meat. After I switched to eating mostly just meat and fruits 1-2 meals a day (yes calorically dense) alot of my joint pains and inflamation went away. I don’t even eat vegetables other than the occasional kimchee or lettuce wrap.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 11:18 PM
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Most of them seem more like they have no clue how much money people actually make.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 11:09 PM
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Vetting is for finding things out before you get married or otherwise invest heavily into the relationship. So opening up is the vetting.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 11:07 PM
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First of all, no one looks like that year round, not even the actors and models themselves. Second of all, you don’t need to get roided out like the Rock or Chris Hemsworth to get results. More than anything else, you just need to be lean, which does take discipline, especially in the beginning. But once you get it down it’s more about maintainence than anything else. You also don’t need a ton of muscles if you are interested strictly in aesthetics, you just need them in the right places. And I …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 02:42 PM
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I wouldn’t say expect cheating 100% of the time, but the probability is certainly far higher than normal. I live in Asia and in Asian culture it seems to be more accepted that an ultra-successful man cheating is normal, so long as his rightful wife and legitimate children come first, and that he never humiliates his wife by being seen in public with the side piece.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 10:03 AM
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When market conditions are stable, an equilibrium price point will emerge. Historically this equilibrium point has always manifested as elite men having multiple mates, while the average men aggregate toward monogamous relationships, and the bottom tier men having no mate what so ever. When the underlying conditions change, you have a market in flux, and the participants go through a series of price discovery before a new equilibrium is achieved. In reality this happens in generational terms. Wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 07:34 AM
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I run cost-benefit probably more than most, both consciously and subconsciously. And that includes when dating. But most ultimate decisions still come down to my gut, as in reality you can never have perfect information, nor are most people perfectly rational. Especially when it comes to things like marriage, sometimes it requires a leap of faith and some blind trust.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 05:08 AM
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Personally I agree and it’s my biggest issue with some of the RP conclusions. I’ve done alot of casual sex and FWBs during my late teens and early twenties and it just felt hollow and kind of a waste of time. But that’s coming from a person who has had his sexual debt satisfied and tried everything he has wanted to try prior to settling down. Most men don’t ever get to the point of diminishing returns.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 03:25 AM
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Right but here we are talking about LTR. Having a job might not matter for STR if you are physically attractive enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 03:06 AM
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Yes if you apply the theoretical framework onto reality it will get pretty messy. Some people will get better deals, some people worse. But I think the sexual-economical rationale remains the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 02:57 AM
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Are Western tradcon women forced to marry? I was not aware.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 02:51 AM
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The one with the more attractive husband. Human sexuality operates at a level below political ideologies.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 01:51 AM
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I didn’t feel like debating in that thread but the gist is men have to put in more effort during dating because women have to put in way more effort in reproduction and childrearing, especially nowadays when male provisioning skills are generally terrible and most families require dual income to operate. On the other hand if all the guy is offering is sex and STR, then a looks-matched partner is not enough to offset her pregancy and STD risks, especially if she can get access to higher tier men …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 01:48 AM
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Your general health and physique is by far the easiest thing to cultivate, as all it is is consistency over time with regards to diet and exercises. I don’t even think it takes some kind of superhuman will power to implement other than in the very beginning, maybe the first week with diets and the first month with working out.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 01:34 AM
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Your standards are probably too high when you get zero results for an extended period of time. But it is relative and not absolute, and has as much to do with your environment and level of competition as your own SMV and standards. As a society it is driven by supply and demand. As such I don’t think it’s something you can just educate away, especially since our social institutions are terrible at educating. If you want to change it long term, you’d have to change things like societal structure …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 01:21 AM
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The powers that be needs to understand that the more you try to ban and suppress information, the more people become curious to find out. You can only ever challenge ideas with ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 12:44 AM
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To be fair not every average woman in a relationship is getting the sex she wants either. Or the lifestyle she wants. Or whatever criteria you wanna use. Most people don’t get everything they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 03:41 PM
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It’s the lingo of this sub. Read the sidebar.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 01:41 PM
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Do you have kids? I have three and I have never heard this advice given to young children because, as I said, little kids don’t understand platitudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 11:37 AM
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My youngest is 5. I don’t think “just be yourself” would mean anything to her. 5 year old advice is more like “be good”, “listen to the teacher”, “be nice to the other kids”, “remember to share”. At most you’d say “do your best”. Simple, actionable, and direct.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 10:57 AM
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I know a number of men that does this or has done this, and they all have one thing in common: they are all highly successful and in the 0.01% in terms of wealth. Even the most attractive chad that can get unlimited casual sex will have trouble pulling this off if he doesn’t have the resources to back it up. And if you have the resources, you can just pay for the side piece. In short, LTR and STR play by somewhat different rules. Women aren’t stupid and are in alot of cases much more realistic t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 10:40 AM
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Asia is a big place. I live in Taiwan, and it happens to me, but I don’t know how prevalent it is exactly. I also used to get approached semi-regularly by gay men, but not for many years.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 10:24 AM
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Yes to internalize and cement true confidence, ot requires continually positive feedback and reinforcement. But positive feedback and reinforcement doesn’t just happen to you, you have to choose to make changes and take actions that can effect your circumstances. I was a fat kid growing up, got beaten often at home (I’d characterize it as corporal punishment rather than abuse), got no attention from girls, and dealt with bullying in school. I chose to stand up to my parents, I chose to fight my …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 10:14 AM
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It’s not the most important thing, but it’s definitely a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 09:28 AM
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I agree. Even without hair loss and weight gain, and even though I maintained a lean muscular physique throughout my 20s and 30s, just looking at older pictures my prime was probably around 28 plus and minus 2-3 years. But the thing is men can continue to add to their SMV by accruing wealth and status and refining their social skills and building out their social network. And even though personally the blackpiller in me thinks that face/height/physique are still the most important factors, all t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 09:02 AM
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My parents have literally never told me to “just be yourself”. And I would never tell that to my kids either, since it’s such a hollow statement and no one can really be anything other than themselves. What I teach my son is to find things that he is passionate in, get as good as he can at them, find ways to monetize it, and focus on meeting people and making connections along the way. The world is changing too fast for me to say “just do this, this, and this, and you will be guaranteed to succe…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 08:36 AM
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I’m Asian, so I doubt they’d know my citizenship status just by looking at me. I also don’t walk around decked out in status symbols, so while I do have more money than the average guy I don’t blast it to the world. Not to mention that I’ve gotten these proposition throughout my 20s and 30s as well, before I’ve accrued my current networth. I will say though that it used to happen far more frequently when I was younger, to the point where it was a running joke amongst my family and friends. Now i…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 07:14 AM
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The whole point of RP boils down to accepting female hypergamy for what it is and to figure out a path towards becoming the top 20% (or becoming attractive in general). So when you hear guys whining, bitching, raging, trolling, hypocrisy baiting, or trying to shame women into changing their preference, it means that guy haven’t actually accepted and internalized the redpill, let alone practiced its suggestions. He may be redpill aware, but he’s primarily interested in using RP ideas as a cudgel …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 06:57 AM
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The point is it is irrelevant who the hottest woman in the room is. So long as your face is flanked by uglier faces, you will be perceived as more attractive than when its not. An interesting implication here is that the truly beautiful are presumably just constantly basking in this aura. It also means when an average or below average person is constantly bombarded by images of beautiful people, say on social media, it likely warps their perception of themselves and of others.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 06:15 AM
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I find it cute on cute girls and awful on everyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 06:02 AM
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Depends on how crooked. And it’s kind of like freckles or a strategically placed facial mole — on an already attractive face, a little bit of imperfection can actually highlight just how beautiful the person is despite it. But if you are ugly it makes it even worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 05:50 AM
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If that were true then Designated Ugly Fat Friend wouldn’t have become a meme. Yes there can only be one woman at the bar that is the most attractive, but chances are she is only leaving with one guy, and then down the hierarchy we go.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 05:36 AM
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I would say I look younger than my Caucasian peers generally and overweight/bald peers by a significant margin. In terms of body I don’t look much different than my 20s, although I’ve had to increasingly clean up my diet post 30, and switch to more low impact resistance training routines post 35. In terms of face I’d say my peak was late twenties, but the decline is very gradual.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 05:29 AM
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Ugly-friend effect: people were asked to rank the attractiveness of facial photographs, then later shown the same photos flanked by uglier faces. The ratings go up drastically, and the uglier the other faces the higher it goes. https://pure.royalholloway.ac.uk/portal/en/publications/facial-attractiveness-choices-predicted-by-divisive-normalization(b7f67b5c-31fd-43d6-9f6f-1c5017385fde).html
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 05:09 AM
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Biologically encoded, socially enforced, rationally justified.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 03:42 AM
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General interest in human sexual dynamics. Why? Does it bother you?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 03:41 AM
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lol that’s actually super cute.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 03:40 AM
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I’m 40 and still get approached occasionally by women in their 20s on the street. My clubbing days are behind me but I guarantee it’d be even easier. I also live in Asia so this might be a cultural thing but I also regularly get older women asking if I was single because they have a daughter/grand daughter/niece they wanna introduce me to. It depends entirely on your genetics and SMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 03:29 AM
1

Outliers exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 03:15 AM
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And weight can be lost.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 01:03 AM
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But you have a problem with them saying it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 12:46 AM
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I think if you are married then you should just use husband/wife. But boyfriend/girlfriend is a very loose and imprecise terms. So I guess partner kind of fills the gap of describing a relationship where the couple is deeply committed and cohabitating but may or may not be married.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 12:36 AM
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I have black hair and I do like women with black hair, but it’s a weak preference and body/face/personality are far more important.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 12:31 AM
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It may or may not be an L depending on how she lands her mental gymnastics routine.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 12:26 AM
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They are completely different things, except they look exactly the same. It’s like saying I’m not fat-shaming the people who are fat because they have legitimate diseases, I’m just shaming the ones that choose to let themselves go so therefore it’s totally ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 12:23 AM
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Was the original comment ninja edited?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 12:13 AM
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Even brokeness has levels. Lower class broke: you are broke and everyone you know is broke. You mess up once and you are totally fucked and on the street. Middle Class Broke: you are broke but you have family and friends that can spot you here and there if worse comes to worse. You have time to figure things out, and you might even be completely bailed out once or twice. UMC Broke: you have no disposable income because everything is tied up with businesses, investments, or mortgages. You have no…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 12:05 AM
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It’s diminishing returns. And anyway I remember a study a few years ago putting the line at 70 something thousand. But with massive inflation and geographical differences 100k seems about right today.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 11:40 PM
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It’s not that mysterious. Beauty has both a cultural and a biological component.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 01:51 PM
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lol. Fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 01:24 PM
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Imma be very clear: I’m not saying it can’t happen, and I’m not saying good looking men that are short and bald don’t exist. I’m saying not everyone can looksmaxx and be a 7/10. Maybe you genuinely believe it, or maybe you’re trying to be inspirational or whatever. And I’d even say self-improvement for its own sake is probably good for most men even if it doesn’t noticeably improve your sexual value. I’m just being realistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 11:49 AM
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I cringe everytime I hear people say “everyone can be a 7/10 if they looksmaxx”. Like I get it, a person going from doing the bare minimum to full-on looksmaxx mode can move up probably a point, maybe two points if you have good genetics that were just held back. And since most normies are by definition about a 5/10, they can become above average and standout a little bit and get better results. I agree with all that. But there are plenty of guys with multiple undesirable qualities like short/ba…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 10:07 AM
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Male and female sex drives are two overlapping bellcurves, with men to the right and women to the left. So even though men in general are more horny than women, if you are a woman that fall towards the end of the distribution, you can still be too horny for alot of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 06:45 AM
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I mean… if you are feeling sorry for him then chances are your respect for him is also eroded somewhat.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 06:38 AM
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Sorry but I’m an old fashioned cave man. If your own wife doesn’t respect you then I find it difficult to as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 06:33 AM
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I think gay men are an interesting reference point but imperfect because there are no risk of pregnancy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 06:30 AM
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Uh… yes?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 04:23 AM
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Thought experiment: If women were as horny as men would the distribution of casual sex be even more extreme or would it be evenly distributed?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 04:11 AM
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I mean… it’s a DEBATE sub so in theory the verbal jousting is the name of the game. In real life I wouldn’t be trying to debate everyone I see and try to point out all the logical flaws and inconsistencies in every single thing they say or present evidence to the contrary. Instead I’d do more listening and try to understand and empathize with their opinions even if I disagree. If I hear someone say something utterly crazy IRL I’d just say “hmm ok” or “sure buddy” and move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 03:59 AM
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That’s cringe AF and if she said that in front of her husband I’d immediately lose all respect for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 03:50 AM
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Yeah, I did.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 03:07 AM
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Don’t sugar babies have to put themselves out there too?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 02:07 AM
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While I don’t think it’s unreasonable to assuming some similarities between chimps and man, wolves and dogs are literally the same species as they can produce viable offsprings.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 01:28 AM
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Yeah that bothered me more than I’d like to admit.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 12:13 AM
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Business owner and stock/realestate investor.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 12:03 AM
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I feel like prostitutes are shamed more than johns. And a sugar baby is a de facto prostitute. That said I don’t have an issue with prostitution if it is a voluntary exchange.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 11:33 PM
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Taiwan.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 11:24 PM
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Presumably anywhere outside a top 10 metropolitan city.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 11:04 PM
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Yeah I haven’t lived in the US for over a decade so it’s frankly irrelevant for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 10:57 PM
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I guess we just have different standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 04:04 PM
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Right. But likewise just because someone thinks one person is more valuable than another doesn’t mean he hates the less valuable person. And having a preference for one person over another by definition means you find the preferred person more valuable in some context.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 04:02 PM
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I disagree. It depends completely on the context and the implementation. Eugenics when practiced by the state is called ethnic cleansing and utterly evil, but when practiced by an individual human it’s just sexual selection and mate preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 03:46 PM
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My point is, genetically there aren’t that big of a difference between humans today and humans 100,000 years ago. Our environments are different, and therefore our gene expressions are different, but most of our “evolution” in that period of time has been behavioral and not biological, with the exception of perhaps disease resistance which actually exerts a selection pressure that forces biological change.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 03:39 PM
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I stand by my statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 03:18 PM
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I do agree that cosmetic surgery can legitimately enhance a woman’s sexual value, and I’ve seen some incredible transformations in real life. It is a case of our technology superceding our biology, and it will likely continue to improve. So good point, and in the near future we may even halt aging and change the entire paradigm. I personally don’t see fat women and old women being fought over, and single moms tend to have a tough time getting quality men to stick around. But sure, I agree that t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 03:09 PM
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I disagree. Humans have functionally domesticated ourselves, it’s true. But just like other domesticated animals, I think we’d revert back to a more feral form within a generation or two just like wild pigs and canines, including many of our physiological features. Even with the same genes, the expression of said genes can vary wildly based on environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 02:43 PM
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Not general human value. Sexual/reproductive value.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 02:27 PM
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In terms of actual literal money, yes. Which is why I said this is a bad analogy, but I tried to make it work for the sake of the OP. Succinctly, my point is that women are born with inherent value that is largely immutable and depreciates over time, while men need to build their value but have many avenues to do so and with a far bigger time window.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 01:40 PM
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If you actually accept redpill, then you accept that at its core it’s just a description of human nature based on evolutionary psychology. And being angry at human nature is like being angry at the Earth for turning. The angry ones are usually people that don’t in fact accept redpill and are more interested in using it as a cudgel against women for past rejections. Most of them I’d wager never even tried self-improvement and are more interested in trolling and whining online than anything else. …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 11:41 AM
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Just that single caveat eliminates about 40% of American women. Regardless though everybody has different standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 09:22 AM
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Forgotten.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 08:53 AM
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That it’s a competition.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 08:49 AM
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Yes but that is why the “work” that men do and that women do or the “value” they bring to the table aren’t interchangeable. That’s why the analogy is clunky.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 08:42 AM
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If you were in a foot race and lost to a faster person, is that fair?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 08:36 AM
1

It’s not that complicated. Women bear a higher reproductive and childrearing cost, therefore men have to make up the difference during courtship.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 08:27 AM
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Money is universally interchangeable. Male reproductive success and female reproductive success are not interchangeable.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 08:14 AM
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Let me put it in a way a 5 year old can understand: 1 man + 10 woman = 10 babies in 9 months 1 woman + 10 man = 1 baby in 9 months 10 babies > 1 baby No one was talking about lining up to fuck ugly women so yes, it’s over your head.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 08:11 AM
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I see that this is going over your head.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 08:05 AM
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Yes because your analogy doesn’t make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 08:03 AM
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Yes person A can leverage her wealth by finding a person B that has proven himself to be good with money and handing their networth over. Thus we come full circle in this shitty analogy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 07:57 AM
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To the species. We are talking about young women in aggregate and not a single ugly woman. There’s a reason we put women and children on lifeboats first.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 07:46 AM
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The market does not value the kind of work they do and at best pays them minimum wage.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 07:44 AM
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Yup. We don’t disagree. However I do think that just finding a mate is not a win for women given the ease of getting one but also given the cost premium of choosing a poor one (both literally and figuratively). Women are born with inherent value but they also bear an inherent reproductive cost.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 07:40 AM
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lol. Okay it doesn’t really matter I’m just saying 100k can easily buy you a sports car if that’s what you want, and it’s certainly enough to rent nice ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 07:33 AM
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To modify this clunky analogy: person A starts with a million dollars but is not allowed to work, and after age 35 $50k gets deducted from her bank account annually, which doubles to $100k after age 45; meanwhile person B starts with nothing but can do whatever job he wants to make money and invest in whatever he wants with compounding interests up to retirement age. Who will be more traditionally successful at their time of death? Well it depends on how good person B is at making money, but he …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 07:28 AM
1

I don’t disagree, but that’s not the same as “all young women are attractive”.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 07:10 AM
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I’m saying the millionaire scion and the homeless man aren’t playing the same game nor do they have the same definition of success.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 06:50 AM
2

I’m not justifying anything. I’m responding to your statement that you cannot drive sports cars with a 100k income. And 35k is the price for a brand new low end sports car. Whether or not it would qualify as a status symbol is entirely dependent on your environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 06:43 AM
1

Then I guess we fundamentally disagree. I do not think all humans have equal value, sexual or otherwise. It’d be nice if we did though.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 06:40 AM
5

In some ways it highlights how unnatural “dating” is when compared to our ancestral environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 06:38 AM
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I don’t think women are happy alone. I just think for many of them being stuck with an unattractive man is far worse. Between being single, or carrying unattractive babies from unattractive men and spending your youth raising them, many women would choose singlehood; this is especially the case when these men also can’t compensate them with status/resources/provisioning and general quality of life increases.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 06:35 AM
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I don’t think it’s that easy for a woman to circumvent unattractiveness and old age. Not in person at least. To me men can increase their sexual market value, but it can be difficult; however you have a bigger time window to do so. Women are born with sexual market value, but it is mostly immutable (extreme surgeries aside) and you have a smaller window to fully leverage that value.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 06:14 AM
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“Sports cars” as a category are also not all Ferraris and Lambos. Maybe that’s where your confusion lies. Every major car manufacture has some kind of sports car, and the cheapest ones are like $35k~. They aren’t very practical nor economical, but it’s not insanely difficult to drive one.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 06:01 AM
2

If the claim is most young women can find a mate if she must, then I’d agree. But then statistically most men will also eventually find a mate. If the claim is most young women can get sex if she wants it, then I’d definitely agree. But I think that speaks more to male horniness than female attractiveness. Personally I’d frame it as young women are inherently more valuable than men in general at any age, by virtue of their reproductive system.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 05:17 AM
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I definitely do not think that all young women are automatically attractive. I wouldn’t even say most are.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 04:40 AM
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Depending on where you are you certainly can.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 04:36 AM
1

Could be ignorance. Could be marketting/psy-ops. Could be complaining online is just easier than putting in work. Most fat people also aren’t ignorant of the health risks, but also most do not care enough to do anything about it other than to cry fat shaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 04:33 AM
2

lol. Why would you need to possess the traits you are looking for? Like at all? What if my requirements are must be feminine, must have big boobs, must have tight ass? Would a woman who requires her man to be 6ft plus need to be over 6ft herself? It only matters whether you possess the traits that your target is looking for. Whether you yourself possess it is completely irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 03:42 AM
3

Not willing to lower your asking price or increase your value is not the same as not understanding how value works.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 03:35 AM
1

A dollar is always worth a dollar is a meaningless statement in economic terms. Yes the subjective value of said dollar may vary from person to person, but its objective value is determined by the aggregate of all subjective values among market participants. A dollar is worth as much as what it can be exchanged for on the open market at any given point in time.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 03:27 AM
1

MJ >>> Lebron and Curry.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 11:20 PM
3

The point is not whether it is better for a child to have both parents. The point is one unilateral decision deserves another.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 11:15 PM
2

Women aren’t single use, and we are still only allowed to marry one person. On top of that most people still get married eventually. So the only difference is your wife may have had some extra dicks inside her.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 11:08 PM
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Or, hear me out, maybe younger women are just more attractive. I’m sure predators exist, but it’s quite a leap to say that since some men in a group are predators, all men in that group must be predators.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 11:49 AM
2

Like I said it’s just A-list celebs in that age range off the top of my head. YMMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 07:57 AM
3

Meryl Streep is critically acclaimed but not a box office draw. Sandra Bullock is still relevant, still making money, and has done a great job picking her roles so kudos to her, but her last real big hit was Gravity in 2013.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 04:09 AM
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IF a woman does not need provisioning and have plenty of resources. IF the woman also have a big social network made up of other women. IF the woman also have loyal female family members willing and able to help with childrearing. IF security and protection is a non-issue. If you satisfy all those conditions, then yes males can be seen as a surplus. It’s alot of ifs, and it isn’t clear to me that that is necessarily better than just having men around. But that’s the thing though — in reality mos…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 03:58 AM
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I think if two people voluntarily decide to marry each other, then that is as fair as it gets regardless of their sexual history. If you have no interest in marrying someone promiscuous, then don’t. But chances are that’s just less competition for the next guy in line. Guys are that are actually winning don’t have to worry about promiscuity because they have plenty of options.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 03:37 AM
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I mean… I’m not gonna argue with who you find attractive since it’s entirely subjective. I’m just thinking about male celebs in that age range. In terms of box office though male celebs tend to have far higher staying power as they age. Heck Tom Cruise is 60 and just made Top Gun 2. Female celebs on the other hand tend to be far more replaceable by their younger and hotter counterparts. That said I also have a soft spot for Charlize Theron and I think it is incredibly how dedicated she is to her…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 03:32 AM
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If we are talking the true average, then the average woman does not make enough to solo support a family (read: children) in 2022. For financially above average women, the constraint generally isn’t money but time. If procreation is irrelevant to said woman, then your options open up considerably. However culturally we still haven’t hit the tipping point where child-free is mainstream. So in practice, at least with women I know, the single ladies with competitive careers continuously lose friend…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 03:26 AM
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I honestly don’t think the women you mentioned are still super hot, but obviously they still look incredibly good for their age. Male equivalent off the top of my head would be maybe Ryan Reynolds (45) and Ben Affleck (50). Extending it to the early 40s and you’d get Chris Evans, Chris Pratt, Chris Pine, and so forth.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 03:06 AM
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My point is fairness of outcome is completely and utterly antithetical to any form of competition. So bringing up fairness here makes zero sense. Only after you are in a marriage does fairness come into play, as that is a cooperative setting.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 02:49 AM
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lol. If I am one of five lovers a woman has, how much would I invest in her? Zilch. Nada. If said woman doesn’t need my investment anyway because she can handle all that herself, all the better. I will say however it would just end up being female-directed extreme polygamy, and might even reverse the resource flow going from women to the few desirable men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 02:41 AM
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A woman looking good enough to fuck and her being my physical ideal are two different things. I’m honestly not sure where the confusion is.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 02:07 AM
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lol. It’s called sexual competition, and not sexual socialism. By your logic men that engage in casual sex are also not being fair to other men, and yet why should they stop fucking because some men out there can’t get laid?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 02:05 AM
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I agree that if women have to reason to care about men who value virginity, they wouldn’t. That said if they didn’t care then there would be no need to lie, so the fact that many do means they not only care but they care enough to contruct a fiction for the purpose of deception. The key and lock analogy isn’t describing human sexual physiology but human SMV. The implication here is many men assign value to female sexual purity while many women assign value to male sexual prowess. I don’t particu…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 01:57 AM
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You can be attracted to someone for alot of reasons aside from physical attractiveness, and me and OP were talking about physical ideals. By your definition literally everyone dating is their partner’s ideal, which renders the entire concept of ideals meaningless.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 01:21 AM
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And again, there is a difference between dating someone you find attractive and dating someone that is your physical IDEAL. For instance a man’s ideal might be a Victoria’s Secrets model, but he’d also happily date the cute girl next door. People generally date people they find attractive and most people aren’t dating their physical ideal are not mutually exclusive concepts.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 12:36 AM
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I think young women don’t find the majority of men attractive at first glance period.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 11:32 PM
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There’s a difference between dating someone that meets your minimal standards and dating your ideal.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 11:09 PM
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We have twice the female ancestors as we do male ancestors based on mitonchondrial DNA analysis. See: evolution.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 02:24 PM
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If your line is sexual maturity and thus preclude children and young teens then that isn’t arbitrary.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 02:02 PM
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Abuse and coercion are inherently wrong irregardless of age.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 01:57 PM
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99.99% of the duration of our species we were polygynous. See: history.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 01:56 PM
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It’s completely arbitrary what age gaps are acceptable. I think if two people genuinely want to be together, it’s the haters that are gross.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 12:34 PM
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The obvious one you are missing is be tall.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 09:08 AM
0

You mad bro?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 08:32 AM
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No I meant polygamy, but polyamory is fine too. I don’t think government should have a say in how people structure their romantic relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 07:34 AM
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Equity is not a necessity for survival.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 05:56 AM
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Ape together strong.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 05:55 AM
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If you are attractive, almost anything will work for some percentage of women. It just depends on the type you are trying yo attract.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 05:53 AM
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I mean it’s kind of like comparing wealth. I have a networth of a few million dollars, for which many average people would consider me rich. Yet I regularly meet people with 10x or more of what I have, and occasionally even 100x. I know men that pull my entire networth annually. As such I’d never say I’m rich because it sounds so stupid, even if I recognize what an average person actually have.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 05:50 AM
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This isn’t a phenomenon unique to redpill, nor is it particularly new or interesting. Desperate people are easy to scam if you pretend to hold the key to solving their problems. Poor people fall for financial scams. Lonely people fall for romantic scams. So on and so forth.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 05:37 AM
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30 seconds of googling: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0146167204271303 https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/10.1146/annurev-psych-010418-103408
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 05:29 AM
1

Alternatively, or perhaps additionally, open up polygamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 05:18 AM
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I’m not aroused by obese or ugly women either. It doesn’t seem like a problem that needs solving.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 05:14 AM
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Exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 05:00 AM
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I haven’t read your specific thread but as you can imagine I have read countless similar ones on this sub. But regardless of the veracity of the statistics and all that it implies, I think from an evo psych standpoint the fear of paternity uncertainty is simply far too ingrained in the male psyche, especially with our current societal/legal structure layered on top.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 02:14 AM
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I don’t really want to get into what people should or ought to do, and personally I do think generally speaking if you are harming no one what you do is your own business. However when it comes to marriage and an expectation of commitment and fidelity, it is no longer just the woman’s business. I’m not saying you should bring up sexual history on the first date, but if it matters to you at all, then it should be brought up prior to commitment. If it doesn’t, well great then it’s irrelevant. Rega…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 02:05 AM
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It’s not a matter of intelligence but desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 01:37 AM
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Are you saying physical attractiveness and good personality are mutually exclusive? If not then that’s what I mean — most people make trade-offs based on their available options, which is in turn based on what they bring to the table. And no, you can find promiscuity undesirable but find the woman to have other desirable qualities that on the balance you are okay with taking her in as a long term partner. Most men prefer purity over promiscuity but generally it isn’t their only criteria, so it’s…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 01:33 AM
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On the other hand dedicating your entire life to a sport and climbing over tens of thousands of your competition to reach GOAT status likely requires a personality that is psychopathically competitive. If he thinks the way you described, he probably wouldn’t be where he is now.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 11:46 PM
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The reality is most people aren’t with their ideal partner because they couldn’t land one that fits those criteria. If they could, they’d be with one. But yes it’s true that over time you can come to appreciate other qualities as you build together, and may eventually develop genuine love and affection despite their flaws. Personally I’m fine with promiscuous women and have slept with many. But not wanting to commit to one long term is not the same as finding them disgusting. My short term mate …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 11:41 PM
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It was frustratingly unwatchable. Everytime Tate said more than three words Piers ran him over with a slew of verbal diarrhea.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 11:07 PM
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But that thing’s longer than a Dostoyevsky novel.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 10:57 PM
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I’m not litigating white collar vs blue collar jobs. I’m strictly comparing the two groups listed based on the description in your OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 10:54 PM
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Of these two hypothetical groups, the women clearly generates more value for society via her career, her consumption habits, and taxes. The men on the other hand sounds like the type of people that, if they all got wiped out tomorrow, no one would even notice and would be forgotten within a week.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 04:17 PM
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I don’t see it as a problem, just adults voluntarily exchanging money for services. Most women aren’t on OF, and attractive men will get laid regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 04:05 PM
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I’m not gonna lie I only skimmed through the text wall. What is the debate here exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 03:59 PM
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In the end it comes down to this: if Bob is unattractive to his wife, then feminism or not she will grow to resent him. And if there is nothing tying her down, be it children, green card, money, or whatever, then there is always the potentiality of her leaving. In the end, humans will be humans. If the relationship is transactional, then you have to ask yourself what she is getting out of the deal, whether or not she can get a better deal elsewhere, and whether you are capable of inflicting cost…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 03:50 PM
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How should I know? Presumably he’s trying to frame it this way in a ham-fisted attempt to “expose the hypocrisy” or whatever. Either that or he doesn’t understand the female mindset. In reality many men also try to appear smarter/higher status/more interesting/wealthier or whatever when interacting with high value females. Everyone knows to some extent what the other gender is looking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 07:32 AM
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I’m an Asian American too and I actually currently live in Asia. I personally know multiple couples like this where it worked out. My feelings are complicated regarding this subject but I would say that your chance of having a successful marriage is much greater if you actually move to the foreign country, establish yourself within the local community, and enter the relationship in good faith instead of trying to be a sleazy sex-pat. That said if all you are looking to do is to hook up, there is…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 06:30 AM
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No one. The whole point of a slut turning off the faucet when she finds Mr. Right is to pretend to be more virtuous and pure than she actually is. Women intuitively understands this.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 06:10 AM
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I said roughly the same thing in my post, so we 100% agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 11:42 PM
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https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24588091/ https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1474704916631614
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 11:28 PM
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The infidelity numbers are deceiving because between age 18-29 of ever-married adults, women cheat at a HIGHER rate than men, and the average age of first divorce is 30 years old.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 12:05 PM
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Except I don’t think it’s an act. We all have an internalized hierarchy of human value and adjust our behaviors accordingly, at least during the initial stages of courtship.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 07:34 AM
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Not incestuous per se. Just a psychological overlap of a mother figure and sexual partner, more common among males transitioning from boyhood into manhood.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 01:13 AM
1

Literally every scientific study on sexual attraction ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 12:59 AM
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Yes there might be some oedipal thing happening there.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 12:58 AM
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what?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 12:55 AM
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The MILF question is interesting. If you look at the structure of milf porns in general, it’s always about a very young man one way or another banging a married woman. I would hypothesize that the evo psych appeal of milf porn is that it represents a chance for a young and low status male to sow his oats without any investment, since the milf either has a husband or is mature enough to take care of herself and any potential offspring, and the sex generally is portrayed as happening on the DL.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/22 03:20 PM
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When women evaluate men, they take into account not just looks but also things like status, access to resources, sociality, fitness, and so forth. Hence for men it is better to be above average in multiple categories than to be elite in just a single category. And among the categories in question many of them you can increase through dedication and hard work. When men evaluate women, the most dominant factors are youth (a proxy for fertility) and physical attractiveness (a proxy for good genes f…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/22 01:18 PM
1

My point is it’s about the relative length of time and not the absolute length of time, regardless of whether or not the sex is casual.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/22 11:50 AM
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The true irony is most men that consume redpill content do so passively and have no interest in putting it into practice since self-improvement takes time and effort. While they may agree with redpill ideas, they rather use it as a cudgel to fight with women than to wield it as the tool it is meant to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/22 04:49 AM
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Men have one major advantage: your sexual value is generally evaluated holistically by women, and some of the common criterias are within your control, and thus male attractiveness can be more mutable to some extent. Comparatively most of a woman’s sexual value come from the womb (both literally and figuratively). That said having an advantage doesn’t it is easy to tap into, and depending on your starting point it may even be quite difficult; for a minority of unfortunate men it may be completel…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/22 04:42 AM
1

How is it casual sex if you are six dates in?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/22 12:43 AM
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It doesn’t have to be before dating. The facts coming out at any point can potentially change the texture of the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/22 12:36 AM
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I do.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/22 12:28 AM
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The context here is not just casual sex but wait time in general. And to be clear it’s an issue for some men. As I said I don’t personally hold this position.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/22 12:25 AM
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Exactly. It’s called sexual competition for a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/22 12:19 AM
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It’s your logic, not mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 03:28 PM
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And I would say that those aren’t actually “redpillers” in the sense that they practice the redpill. Self-improvement is hard. Whining online is easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 03:26 PM
0

So if you are a woman that likes dick but doesn’t have one yourself you are a hypocrite? lol ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 03:23 PM
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If she is my ideal woman, then obviously 17. 45 is fine too though if she is attractive and young enough to have multiple kids naturally and healthily.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 03:03 PM
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Women also want a man that is a sexy/rich/strong badboy who can get any woman he wants, yet have eyes only for her. It is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 02:58 PM
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The only men discouraging it are men who can’t get casual sex in the first place, and/or men in the back of the line whose only option is to wait until a woman is ready to settle. So from their perspective if everyone had to wait and settle down after 0-1 partners, the numbers work in their favor. The issue here is there is zero incentive for women and men who can get laid to behave that way given the way our society is currently structured. Hence why the next stage of that argument is some sort…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 02:54 PM
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Except that’s not a redpill position. Redpill acknowledges that some men are more desirable than others and can elicit different sexual responses from women, and attempts to identify and replicate the differentiating factors. If you see a talking point that involves telling women how they ought to act, chances are it’s not actually redpill, or any kind of pill. Taking the redpill requires that you first accept female nature as is, given that that is just how women are wired.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 02:46 PM
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I don’t personally hold this position but the answer is simple — if all men have to wait, then waiting is not an issue; but if some men gets it first, then these men want equal treatment. Except obviously all men are not equal, therefore this position doesn’t make sense. Obsessing over equity is just a symptom of entitlement.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 02:41 PM
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Fridge, but only because my wife is anal about food safety, and also it takes us a long time to finish a bottle.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 02:35 PM
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Having a sexual preference is misogyny? lol ok. I guess if you’re not fucking ugly bald men you are practicing misandry then by that rationale. You are both wrong and a hypocrite.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 02:31 PM
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Your logic is dumb. You cannot change your physical attractiveness just like you cannot change your height. You make zero sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 01:55 PM
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You: Women wanting 6ft men despite not being 6ft is not hypocritical because you can’t change your height. Also you: ugly bald men wanting beautiful women is DISGUSTING (even though you can’t change ugliness or baldness either). WHO IS THE HYPOCRITE?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 04:44 AM
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Why is it relevant whether or not something is a choice in the context of sexual preferences?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 04:26 AM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 04:24 AM
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Birds that mate for life don’t choose monogamy, they are just wired that way. Likewise human sexual behavior has a large genetic/biological component that influences your degree of promiscuity. Regardless it isn’t relevant to my original point, which is everyone can have whatever preference you like regardless of your own behaviors. I have no issues with a handsome guy marrying a homely woman so long as they want each other, and I find it so strange that you would have viceral emotional reaction…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 04:24 AM
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Which part are you having trouble understanding? What I am and who I like doesn’t have to be the same thing. It doesn’t seem like a difficult concept to grasp.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 01:58 AM
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Promiscuity is definitely correlated with personality, and body count is a good proxy for promiscuity. That said personally I think women should be able to sleep with who they want, but men as well. A guy that participates in casual sex can still have a preference for whatever traits he likes regardless of whether he has those traits. If a woman only wants to date men 6ft and over, I don’t go around asking them if they are 6ft+ themselves, as it is completely irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 01:39 AM
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