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Discussionteeay/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/15 05:22 AM
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Different strokes I guess. I don't spend a lot of time searching for sex partners, I have a few and we connect on a schedule that works for us. This waxes and wanes in line with mutual interest, and occasionally others come into the mix. I'd only need to put in a bunch of effort in a hurry if I managed to piss everyone off simultaneously... Marriage didn't deliver those good things to me: She didn't have my back, and it wasn't us against the world, more me dragging her passive-aggressive ass fro…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 07:52 PM
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I'm not saying no sex, I get plenty enough sex. I'm saying the exchange of sexual value doesn't have to be in a relationship, for me. I'm not "handing over" my sexuality to anyone, thankyouverymuch. But then I totally fail to understand the point of monogamy. What on earth do people see in it? What's it do for you that, well not being monogamous couldn't do better?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 06:46 PM
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I suppose the differences are I don't want the relationship in which to expect sex. I fuck people who I want to fuck, and who want to fuck me I'm friends with people who want mutual friendship. I'm in business with someone who derives and delivers mutual benefit. I do activities with people who like those activities... On that basis, everything's fair and reasonable. Marriage had some benefits but they're gone, and around here cohab is about the same thing legally anyway, if you do it for a whil…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 06:22 PM
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Yeah, we're not describing the same thing. Would you get that exchange of sex with your wife if you weren't married to her?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 05:46 PM
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No, I was. But I changed that a while back. It didn't work too well.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 05:44 PM
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40 something.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 05:22 PM
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I think it means exclusivity and predictability, you know that stage when everyone can stop trying because they're "committed" partners. I'm not, and will never be, exclusive. Yet I'm attentive, authentic, and fully present when I'm with someone. Solves a lot of problems. Oh and age is probably a major factor here. I'm way past that bullshit. You wanna fuck me, cool. You don't, cool too. Let's just keep negotiating what we both want.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 10:46 AM
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Lemme think... No, don't think so. I did call a fb my girlfriend once but I was clearly taking the piss. She's a girl, and a friend, so she kinda is, though. You had to be there. Also we're not 16 so girlfriend doesn't mean a helluva lot. But I really, honest to god, don't want commitment, and I really, honest to god, am happy to walk if someone wants it from me in exchange for sex. That said, it depends what you're assuming by commitment. I occasionally fuck people who I'm never going to see ag…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 10:20 AM
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You are aware that comment's a little vague, right? In the absence of knowing what you agree/disagree with me on, and what you think RP gets wrong (all of you get shit wrong if you ask me :) I might just have to say "um, that's nice, carry on?"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 10:04 AM
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That's not very different to what I said. My job (with regard to sex, I do have other shit to keep me busy) is actually to find as many people as I want at any time who wish to share their genitals with me, then play together in a way that meets our mutual goals. I find that facilitating orgasms is a good way to get sufficient repeat sex on the regular without burning too many cycles on search and acquisition. Occasionally I need to pick up someone new and cycle sometime out to avoid boredom. Ot…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 08:29 AM
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What do you mean by "inspire". I attain orgasm, and I help my fbs get their own. If they don't, not my problem. My responsibility is to fuck then as well as I can. If they like it and want more, and if I like them, great. If not, well, there's 3.5 billion cocks in the world and 3.5 billion pussies, I'm sure we can all find one or mote that we like. Orgasms are totally necessary for sexual fulfilment. I'd you don't think so, you need more orgasms.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 07:24 AM
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Yeah, don't care, not my species.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 07:02 AM
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Assume you're right. Why would I care? They're grown-ass women with their own agency. If performance art or whatever works for them, who an I to judge? As long as they are on my cock when they do it, I don't give a shit. There is no relationship on the table, no prospect of anything but fucking and buddying.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 06:47 AM
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Yeah except it's not, and she's not the only one.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 05:41 AM
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What's in it for her? If the sex was shit we'd stop doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 05:19 AM
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Yes, and I love me some clit lovin' too. The fb I'm referring to cums from oral, missionary, riding, doggie... and repeatedly. She came within like 2 minutes of me fucking her the first time. Of all the women I've fucked over the past year, only one has never cum from fucking,. Some are hit and miss, but more often than not.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 05:10 AM
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But dick orgasms, not toy or finger orgasms. Like I want pussy orgasms, not hand orgasms.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 04:50 AM
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I read the "if RP theory.." piece as meaning she thought RP theory should see things that way. Anyway, my point is that sex can be, and should be, fair exchange in itself. Sex is enough to secure sex for me, but not enough for commitment. To get that, a woman needs to bring a whole lot more. Maybe I'm not red enough, dunno. "What is true" is that men are worth more than commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 04:47 AM
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I have a fb who needs no protection, is entirely independent emotionally and financially, and would be insulted if I tried to provide for her. You might call her a strong, independent woman :) We're buddies so do stuff together but I'm only one of hundreds of her buddies so we aren't companions. We just like fucking each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 04:36 AM
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I agree with the fairness comment, and I guess I was indirectly saying that life ain't fair., but if it were, sex would be an equal exchange. Aren't you saying that women are only worth sex though? I mean, that's her "value" that she's giving up. Does that mean that if I have all the sex I want from fbs, I get no further value from being in an LTR? Works for me, but it doesn't sound very BP...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 04:28 AM
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I'm hearing "no, not really"...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 04:22 AM
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Fake pretences are often found in both "purely physical" relationships, as well as BB arrangements. And I'd say the more common scenario is when they agree it's just physical but she's the one that changes her mind and pushes for commitment. I have a fb that needs reminding of this from time to time. I'm never going to be more than a fb to her and have been totally honest about it, yet we've been to the "exclusivity/commitment" place a coupla times, at her initiation. I'm 100% ok if she doesn't …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 01:20 AM
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So do you really think relationships align people's competing sexual strategies?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 01:10 AM
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Ooh, internet fame. Thanks /u/sublimenongrel, but my response was basically that dick for pussy is a fair exchange, and providership for companionship is a crappy exchange. My reasoning is that both men and women have physical desires, so scratching each others itches is what we should do, as a baseline. By comparison, providing is hard work, and the average BB puts in much more work than the woman who locks him down. I'm not saying this is how it actually works in every case, of course. Dick fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 12:02 AM
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And you are what we call an idealist. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/16 11:29 PM
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Hmmm, insecurity and comprehension issues... Can't even be wrong on the internet... Maybe that's why you don't have so much luck with the ladies?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/16 02:03 PM
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Porn is about young hotties. There's no oversupply of those, for sure. And I'm not saying that the men still don't have to work for it - still look decent, be charming, have their shit together etc - but at 45+ many women have a revival in libido and are more flexible about terms. Look on any dating site that caters to that demographic, there are lots of post-post-wall, often post -divorce ladies who are thirsty as fuck and don't believe anyone will ever want to fuck then anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/16 10:46 AM
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How do you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/16 12:05 AM
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Dick for pussy is a fair exchange. Neither are that special, but we all gotta itch to scratch, ya know? BB is wanting a disproportionate amount of value in exchange for (only the promise of, usually) pussy. Not remotely fair dealing. There is no "the right one" but that's another whole issue so I'm not going there. Reverting to a position of greater indifference isn't passive-aggressive at all, it's simply how people who don't invest enough get treated. She has no entitlement to my attention, sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/16 11:02 PM
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I'm nearly 50. Not up here it doesn't, at least not in my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/16 10:51 PM
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I have no problem with the hypothetical, it's the "see, that's why we don't like to be plates" hamstering that follows which I am not interested in. No, I would not stay in a relationship where the treatment I received did not deliver fair value in exchange for my investment. In fact, I'm exiting one soon for exactly that reason. Yet many women do stay in exactly those relationships, because they clearly do deliver value. They just don't deliver commitment. RP says if you want that, behave bette…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/16 09:43 PM
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Entitled twenty-something's, sure. But you can have' em. Up my end of the age spectrum, there's lots of horny desperate women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/16 06:30 PM
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The question is broken because "women don't like to be treated like absolute shit" is not the same as "all plates are treated like absolute shit". And as I've pointed out, if the roles were reversed, I'd just deal with the shit better, an option available to women too, just saying. Nobody deserves jack shit. That's an inherently female perspective you have there. As a man I know I don't get treated well because "everyone deserves it" I get treated well because I earn it. If I stop, it stops. If …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/16 06:26 PM
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But the question is obviously flawed because it assumes those things are inherent to being plates. I'm reddish and you could describe my fbs as plates because I'm not exclusive with them, and apply RP "tactics" to them. Yet I don't treat them the way OP describes, and most RP men wouldn't either. And everyone's happy. They're not on a pedestal, I don't run around after their feelz, etc. everyone fucks happily ever after. They're totally replaceable and I'm not committed to them. So, plates, in R…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/16 05:23 PM
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Pretty much. She's a fuck buddy. Emphasis on fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/16 10:35 AM
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I'm non-monogamous, so anyone who tries to lock me down to exclusivity is going to have a bad time. I don't put up with shit treatment but don't care about much else beyond the sex. There usually isn't much there anyway. I don't dispense shit treatment either though, I treat my women fairly. That's just not being a dick, and there's no need.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/16 05:12 AM
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And yet, pussy ain't in short supply. Even with few strings attached. Just saying. How exactly is she going to get dick on the side and stop me from getting pussy?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/16 04:36 AM
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I have one of them. Purely physical. Works fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/16 04:30 AM
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Depends how you define cheat. If it's "anything non-monogamous" then I have a few reasons. But if you just mean don't be dishonest about it, all good.
/r/askTRP03/10/16 03:56 AM
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Sampling is a valid way to draw conclusions about a population.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/16 01:16 AM
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Statistics doesn't work like you think it does.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/16 12:39 AM
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Experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/16 11:46 PM
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There are clever, motivated, witty, not lazy, well-read, informed, self-disciplined, women who take care of themselves. Just not many.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/16 06:31 PM
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"there is no safety net for the undeserving". I like it.
/r/MarriedRedPill02/10/16 06:24 PM
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Hmmm. Depends. Have you intentionally chosen monogamy? If so, you let yourself down, didn't keep to your own standards. Of course if it's your clear decision to be monogamous, you would know why you chose that, so think about that reason, compare it to the reason you fucked the other girl, decide what you want to do, and act. If you didn't actually make a real decision to stay exclusive with your gf, but you feel bad because you've done something you shouldn't have, now is a good opportunity to …
/r/askTRP02/10/16 04:42 AM
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I think things are hard for younger guys, but up at this end of the age spectrum it's like shooting fish in a barrel. So many desperate women. I'm in ok shape but nothing special, and I get more attention and pussy than I have time for. There's a lot of crazy, too, and even more enthusiasm to lock another guy down, because they've usually been divorced out of their previous relationships, so care is needed. But there's plenty enough people who just want some good dirty fun from time to time and …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 09:09 PM
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No disagreement here, except that sex isn't a huge trump card, there's plenty of it about.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 07:33 PM
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Male, atheist, almost openly hostile towards religion. Brought up very Christian. I like some Buddhist philosophy/practice but don't think it means anything significant or is even a religion.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/16 08:28 PM
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A mate of mine is early 40s and his gf is 24 I think. He's a bit of a player but nothing special. She's average, not ugly and fat. Kinda cute I'd say. I'm late 40s, greying, and got very overtly hit on by someone 18ish the other day. There's an early twenties girl at work who's all breathless and flirty whenever she's around me too, asked me out for coffee. Not interested, daddy issues are just to much drama, and all they have to offer in exchange for all that is pussy, which ain't exactly a sca…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/16 06:47 PM
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A.k.a. Anicca. Those Buddhists knew about all this centuries ago.
/r/TheRedPill28/09/16 04:41 AM
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Most people are lazy. In fact your post here is a longing for just being able to settle down to normal levels of maintenance so you don't need to do as much work. But, in my experience, more women are lazy about this than men are. We've been told to be in endless pursuit mode, to keep dating our partners. They've been told to expect men to chase them forever. Fuck that. When it stops feeling like it's worth it, find another one.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/16 06:37 PM
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If you kept your cool and handled it without drama, declining is perfectly ok. Boss may be in genuine financial strife, who knows? Go get another job.
/r/askTRP27/09/16 06:28 PM
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There is already a pill that eliminates oneitis. It's red :)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/16 05:32 AM
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More red than blue, or pink purple black... Non-monogamous. Don't care even a tiny bit if my partners are fucking others. Zero desire to control anyone's sexuality. No jealousy. Politically and economically kinda leftie, but with some hard right ideas mixed in, I'm told by the hippie set. Socially totally liberal. You're an adult? Do what you dig, don't be a dick, don't hurt others, consequences are yours. Pro normality and legal rights for LGBTQ... folks, gay marriage etc. Duh. Support legal pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/16 05:52 AM
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In pill terms, your usage isn't correct, as others have pointed out. That said, the pillisphere use of cuck does irk me too. Too fucking ambiguous, a little playground-insulty. I've been called a cuck by hard core RPers, but I'm neither a fetishist nor a weak loser whose wife is cheating on him. I simply don't care enough about what she does to regulate her sexuality. As far as I know she's currently exclusive to me, and openly knows I'm not to her. Come to think of it, so is one of my fuckbuddi…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/16 07:10 AM
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The problem you have then isn't the "open", it's the "relationship". If you're getting attached or even just used to enjoying her company, that doesn't sound like not looking for an LTR. If she's just someone you're fucking from time to time, you're getting checked, and you're using protection properly, your risks are fairly low of getting anything. Who cates what or who she does then?
/r/askTRP21/09/16 06:30 AM
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Exactly, that's how they work. Not even your mommy loved the real you. That's always your own job.
/r/MarriedRedPill20/09/16 11:40 PM
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None of them are a big loss though. There's always plenty more... Brad isn't gonna be starved of attention anyways.
/r/MarriedRedPill20/09/16 11:38 PM
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Not dictate but influence strongly. We're social animals and subject to group membership protocols, but so are other animals (consider most apes or even herd animals). Sore of these were might find repulsive or strange (e.g. Bonobos fuck a lot and are promiscuous, but we'd find that weird. Although we're actually more promiscuous than we like to admit. I'm sure they find shit we do to be crazy too). We're not the only species with rules and typical behaviors based in biology. We're just not as s…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/16 05:45 AM
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Keep doing it until it's no longer an act.
/r/askTRP20/09/16 05:25 AM
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Fucken hell, if he wants pussy I bet he can afford it. If he wants someone to pretend they care for a few years he could probably get that too. Maybe the whole article is just an advert, ya know? My plans? I'm not made of cash like gentleman Jack but when I can't pull I'll purchase, until I no longer feel the need. Then before I have to pay some nursemaid to wipe the drool from my chin, I'll put an end to it all. There comes a time when dying is the right thing to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/16 05:23 AM
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Whoa. When did we go to rape? Not all animals rape, either, btw. And, um, we are animals. That's not up for argument, it's a definition. If you say we're not, you're wrong, it's that simple. If you're claiming we're special snowflake animals that's a different thing, and maybe if you spell out your claim more accurately we might agree more. Also, there's a lot of urges we don't control, and lots of people who aren't so good at that bit either. Are they not human then?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 09:04 PM
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Dogs help people and other animals, without having to be trained to do so. Dog ethics are just different to human ethics, it's not that they don't exist. We have no idea what the dog understands or doesn't (although it's reasonable to say the dog is less intelligent than most humans). Why is biting unethical? Sometimes it's warranted, just like war in humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 08:36 PM
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Must animals respond to incentives. My dog isn't a mindless slave to his "urges and instincts" either. You seem to think intelligence is not an animal trait, or have been suckered in to pseudo religious arguments about the perfectibility of man. "If only we try hard enough, we can be Good, that's what makes us special...." Above you used the word "expected". By what or whom?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 06:32 PM
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We are animals. Human nature is a kind of animal nature. What are you actually saying?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 07:52 AM
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We are animals. That's not a matter of opinion, but of fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/16 05:21 AM
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Not at all. I have a rich and fulfilling life, with lots of worthwhile activities in it. It may ultimately be meaningless, but that's the human condition for you. I have a good career, do lots of fun outdoor and fitness things, spend time both quietly with myself and playing with others, volunteer my time and resources to worthwhile causes, am a parent to some wonderful kids, read, write a little, build and make things, and more. I have a broad set of friends, acquaintances and playmates, some o…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/16 10:19 PM
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Not filling their meaningless lives with fucking. Late 40s.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/16 09:35 PM
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I like sex, and I like people that don't have hang-ups about it and think it's magical or special. I think it's just fun with genitals. I find slutty people (of my age) are usually open-minded and interesting, able to get past religious backgrounds and social conventions. Can't speak for the youngsters, maybe they have destructive forces twisting their souls and making them fill their otherwise meaningless lives with fucking. Although, that still sounds better than the alternative.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/16 08:10 PM
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I'd use it as a slut finder - not for shaming purposes, not to disqualify potential LTRs or any such shit - but because genuine sluts are my kinda people.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/16 11:38 AM
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Pfft. I know myself really well. MB is random and unreliable.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/16 10:05 PM
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Because society told me I had to. Now that I've been in one for a long time, when it ends I won't get into another. Much prefer being mainly on my own, with fwbs and friends to fill my social and sexual needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/16 09:38 PM
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I've done MB several times. Got results all over the map. It's bunkum.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/16 09:33 PM
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I'm attracted to fit women who want to fuck me. They need to have their shit together, run their lives competently, make good decisions, etc because I'm done having children. Vulnerability does nothing for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/16 07:50 PM
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Do you understand the weakness of generalizations made from simple statistics derived from observing very limited populations? There's no basis for extending the behavior of a small tribal tropical group to be that of men overall, particularly from a simple average.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 05:13 AM
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Ehh. I like and care for most of the women in my life, certainly the ones I'm fucking. But then I like and care for a whole bunch of other people too, many of whom I don't want to fuck, will never want to fuck, and wouldn't fuck if I was completely pissed. E.g. Men, crazy clingy women, and the odd "really nice but quite unattractive" friend. "Like and care for" is a low hurdle. And there are people I fuck that I know practically nothing about. Sex doesn't need affection and emotional connection …
/r/askTRP29/08/16 07:11 PM
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GFTOW. With no emotional connection. Then see how much you care about it. "Emotional connection" is just a bullshit way of saying you want to fall in love with them, and get that sweet chemical buzz that happens then. What sort of emotional connection do you want, otherwise? Do you want them to love you and validate you?
/r/askTRP29/08/16 06:46 PM
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No, I don't care, and I'm too busy doing other fun shit to babysit an adult. She wants to do whatever, that's her issue. If she's fucking me well and not being a birch about me doing what I want, why should I care?
/r/askTRP29/08/16 11:36 AM
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like women are Didn't say attractive and confident men can't be successful at dating hotties. It can work as you describe, but depends on what the guys looking for. If he's into locking her down into a relationship then maybe, but you're just saying hot women can be fussy about the beta bucks they snag.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/16 09:39 PM
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Thanks for the advice :) but my hunting ground is 10 years above that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/16 08:33 PM
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I mean I'm not in academia and the women I interact with don't behave as you describe. So I assume, unless they stay there forever, something bad happens to them when they leave academia.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/16 08:27 PM
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Tech. But I'm not looking for a 25yo hottie to marry.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/16 08:26 PM
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You have a point. When I was that sort of age I would not have offered much to that market segment. Men aren't attractive for their youthful beauty like women are, and the success that is valued comes later. That's kinda the whole rp point. A few years on though, I think my point stands. I know lots of women and the young, fit and pretty ones are almost always vacuous. Nice ass, not much between the ears, looking to have fun then snag a good provider. The older ones are either blimps (therefore …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/16 08:25 PM
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I don't let them control me, either. And yeah I know. Has two extra words in it if you ask me.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/16 08:08 PM
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I don't control women. And the rest are not obstacles to getting sex. Relationships, maybe. Meh, who cares. So no, I don't believe you are correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/16 07:47 PM
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Conflating RP and intentional asshole reveals a rather telling lack of comprehension on your part.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/16 07:34 PM
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So what happens to then when they leave academia?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/16 11:37 AM
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I like people who can run their own lives independently of mine. Some degree of sexual submission is ok. I'm dominant or neutral in bed, definitely not submissive. My best sex is with people who actively engage in the activity and are fully present. I have an fwb who fucks like an animal bur is neither dom nor sub, very much her own woman. Works for me. D/s style submissives get boring pretty quickly. I have a partner who requires the captain/first mate approach to function effectively. Honestly…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/16 10:10 AM
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We may have different standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/16 09:49 AM
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Submissives irritate me.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/16 09:48 AM
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Are you male or female?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/16 05:44 AM
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Well they're pretty fucking well camouflaged then.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/16 05:44 AM
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I like smart, motivated, independent, successful, goal-oriented women, who are in control of their lives, emotional state and bodies. Fit, stable, secure, fun, don't take or give shit. But until they invent those, I'll take what I can get.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/16 05:00 AM
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Not at all, the house was clean, the kids were fed and entertained, taken to school, homework was done, meals made, budgets balanced, bills paid the lawns and garden were done on the regular, and I still did all the "man's work" and got some me time. And for one episode of this I had an injury affecting my movement. It's really not difficult if you apply yourself and are a bit organized. By comparison, when my wife was a SAHM, the place was a circus crossed with a pigsty.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/16 09:05 PM
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I've done it, for months at a time. It was like a holiday. Waaaay easier than my corporate work.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/16 07:31 PM
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Yeah I didn't keep the results so can't quote numbers. I agree things can be codified but the dimensions are too simple. Am I an E or an I? Depends heavily on the context. I can be the life of the party, very outgoing, but also very quiet and reflective, reserved even, maybe even seem deferential. It depends. Asking me a handful of poorly formulated preference questions about "textbook" E or I behaviors won't cast any light on that. There are better tests, MB just isn't one of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/16 11:56 PM
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I'd say I'm E more than I and T more than F, but its context dependent. The correct answer to all of the dimensions is "both".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/16 11:39 PM
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No, tests are a fairly standard way to confirm hypotheses or discern the nature of something. Myers Briggs is just a shitty test is all.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/16 11:34 PM
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You'd probably think pretty poorly of me too. I don't just flirt with other women, I have fuckbuddies. I'm honest with my wife about this, and have told her if she doesn't want to stick around, I'll treat her fairly in a divorce and remain amicable. She's welcome to fuck who she wants too, I'm not a hypocrite or an asshole. She seems to think I'm high enough value to want to stay with. But that's entirely her choice. If she turns into a raging bitch who won't fuck me, I'll leave, but while she's…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/16 10:06 PM
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I've done it a few times, got radically different results each time. It's complete bunkum.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/16 08:03 PM
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Meh, lunch and coffee isn't really a big deal. I will definitely never see her again, she lives in another country. I'm not completely sure I know her real name, don't care either. Also, like I said further up, college-style hook-ups don't really happen further down the age road. That's the bad news, the good news is there are still lots of people who want a bit of good fucking from time to time but are comfortable in their own skins and don't need or want the whole "cohabiting relationship" sch…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/16 07:29 PM
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Last para is completely spot on. Have an upvote.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/16 11:05 PM
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Far from it. I'm not ugly, I'm in decent shape, lean more than muscly, and possess some charm, but there are detracting factors too. She was just looking for fun while outside of her normal routine, and I was just the lucky guy in the right place at the right time. Edit: I bought her coffee and food, so some money was involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/16 03:47 AM
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Love is an abiding, almost selfless concern for the well-being of another. You can, and arguably should, feel it for lots of people at once. I try to love everyone. "In love" is a thing I've felt often, and at the time it feels magical and special and all that, but if I'm honest, after the fact I can always translate it as "I want to fuck you". It's uncommon for this to be a thing you feel for lots of people at once (because you think they're special, at the time). It's also uncommon for it to l…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/16 05:21 AM
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I think the answer to your question is generally no, but luck is a big part of the deal. I'm not exceptional looks wise and have some detracting factors, but I have successfully started a conversation with a stranger late in the morning and been fucking them by early that afternoon. But there were a lot of random fortuitous things in place that made that happen. Could I do that again if I spent the rest of my life trying? Highly doubt it. Was it 100% down to my game? Hell no. She was decent look…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/16 05:07 AM
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Hobbies and interests change. If you want a successful ltr it needs to be based on more than hobbies.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/16 04:53 AM
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And why is monogamous faithfulness the only valid option here?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 08:27 PM
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Rub my clit and I will finish Not everyone's that easy. I'm a pretty attentive lover, no two-pump chump, etc. and because I'm usually in ongoing relationships work hard to please the women I'm with. One of my fwb cums and cums wherever we get together, typically within ten mins or thereabouts. A long term partner I have usually takes way, way longer though. Like half an hour of kissing, touching, oral (and I know where her clit is!) then sometimes another half an hour of fucking in different pos…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 05:13 AM
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I'd 100% agree with this. I've got two girls I know who can actually suck cock ok. One of them is naturally good I think, the other has been trained over a long time and is reasonable. Of the rest I've experienced, it's 50/50 between harmless at best, and terrible, don't ever do that again.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 05:00 AM
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JBY is typically heard as "you're ok as you are and don't need to change", which is bull. You always need to change and improve. It's a message that resonates with women (who typically have poor self-esteem and crave validation) and feminized juvenile males, for much the same reason. If someone tells me to JBM they can fuck right off.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 07:44 PM
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Obvious answer is both.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 07:39 PM
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Sure, like I said, no motivation, little imagination.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 07:36 PM
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Jesus, you yanks need to liberalize your lives. Like a lot. Not how it works over here, at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 07:35 PM
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Apart from, you know, the getting off your asses and working to change anything bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 07:33 PM
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Yes, I've been totally honest, and told her if she doesn't want to be with me I understand completely and will treat her well in any separation. She prefers to be with me. I do love her, just not in a Disney way. And to answer your other question, we married when I still believed in rainbows and fluffy bunnies and happy ever after love. Wouldn't do it again, it's a dumb idea that delivers almost no benefit.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/16 08:15 AM
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"All the world's a stage", as a clever man once said. It's only hurtful if you let it hurt you. See my other reply above. Some of the best sex I've ever had was in a group where this woman near me rolled around to face me, said "fuck me", which I gladly did. Did she want me? No, just a dick, and mine was handy. I was totally objectified, her "panties weren't wet" because of me, doesn't matter. It was mutually very satisfactory, but completely emotionally disconnected. I don't even know her name.…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/16 08:28 PM
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God no, the last thing I want is some vacuous 20-something going all "in love" with me and desiring my continual presence. You pay them to go away after you're finished. I don't actually use pros regularly as no time, and I've generally not gone back for repeat business. One exception is a incredible little eastern European girl, who fucks like her life depends on it, but she's unashamedly transactional and made sure on our first gig that neither of us were going to develop expectations. She has…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/16 08:15 PM
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It does have an impact on the relationship dynamic though. In my town, there are hundreds of brothels. They are of varying degrees of respectability and trustworthiness I'm sure, but the fact remains, for a small amount of money, I can buy the attention of a gorgeous young, woman, have excellent, enthusiastic sex with someone who knows what they are doing, and get on with my life. Every week, I can pick a different one: Different hair color, race, age, nationality... Compared to the amount of sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/16 10:17 AM
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avoiding to do the work to get her attracted to me again. Meh. I've done that work, and turned marital attraction around, and the rewards aren't always there. So she fucks me on demand, and the demand is regularly hers, so what? And I've got to keep doing this for all time? For some middle-aged pussy? Which I can get elsewhere without the whole marriage b.s. too? My wife is not my mission. Sex, although essential for my well-being, is not my mission. Marriage is an arrangement that currently del…
/r/MarriedRedPill02/06/16 08:21 PM
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I'm not talking about you, specifically, just your claim linking playground rough-housing with girls having a thing for bad boys. I read the article. She chose an older man, who didn't, as far as I can tell from her writing, do anything untoward other than be older. She's just blaming others for her decision-making and regret. That regret wouldn't be present if she still felt the same way about him now as she did at the start. I notice she dropped him for another older guy. Was that his fault to…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/16 11:02 PM
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Perhaps I'm just distracted and not expressing myself well. I think "falling out of love" is inevitable in any relationship, and it's not specifically to do with AWALT. What is left after the chemical rush is gone determines the quality of the remaining years. Love is easy, even for the long term. "In love" is temporary, I'd say always but I'm open to persuasion. Mutual respect and good (non-lazy, authentic, open) behavior is hard, and most people don't wanna do it. Women in particular have been…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/16 10:38 PM
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The "in love" part (as opposed to "loving"), as evidenced by the massive crush/notebook doodling activity. "Disney" is a slightly lazy term for the kind if idealism that thinks chemistry is forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/16 08:39 PM
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Because the Disney edition is an ideal, and encouraging people to achieve lofty goals is a good thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/16 07:54 PM
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Thanks. I hope for your sake it continues. Often, it does not. Perhaps even usually.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/16 07:13 PM
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Marriage is a habit supported by social norms. It's not always a good habit.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/16 09:55 AM
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How old are you and how long have you been married?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/16 09:52 AM
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They're there too, there's just fewer of them. Dummies I mean, it's an overwhelmingly male majority workforce. STEM field, though, so guys are just generally more competent.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/16 03:45 AM
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Collegial assistance is encouraged in my workplace.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 07:09 PM
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I've spent a few months being a SAHD. It was fucking cruisy. A bit of washing, cleaning, cooking, and childcare in addition to all the "dad's work" (house maintenance etc. - nobody but me seems to be able to do any of that :/ )? Pfft. It was basically like being on holiday.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 11:00 AM
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At the risk of sounding like the misogynist asshole that I'm not: To be fair it's an easy habit to get into, because there truly are lots of ignorant, under informed, and frankly dim women out there. Not all, by any means, perhaps not even a majority, but I spend enough of my typical day explaining almost trivially easy stuff (or explaining a bit of general knowledge that I'd really assumed everyone knew, or similar...) to the women around me, so it tends to become my default setting. Before I g…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 10:53 AM
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My comment was a bit tongue-in-cheek; what stops me doing this is the fact that I'm a self-motivated and ambitious chap who could not bear to sponge off another.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 10:34 AM
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People respond to incentives. Lots of people are lazy. If someone can avoid working, and have someone else provide for them, why wouldn't they? I would, except I was born male so that option has never been available to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/16 10:53 PM
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Generally, yeah, I can. I've had times of high stress, but mostly my emotional state is like Atlas described. Wasn't always, like I say it's a choice. I do meditate a lot and am a long-time Buddhist. Wouldn't say I'm a master though, but equanimity has always been fairly easy for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/16 12:32 PM
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My experience too. The nice girls are demanding, the wannabe bad girls with issues are all drama... There's nothing quite as lovely as a happy and confident slut.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/16 07:41 PM
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You hit lucky 7's. Emotional state is a choice, not a crapshoot.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/16 07:31 PM
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Good, because that isn't what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/16 05:20 AM
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People deal in absolutes. TRP is a set of mainly risk-averse heuristics.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/16 03:38 AM
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I think the absolute interpretation problem is mostly BP strawmanning. But people are still responsible for their actions. Assholes blaming their assholery on what they read on the Internet are still assholes. Whether assholes are more or less successful romantically is another issue entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/16 03:12 AM
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Nuance is built on a framework of simple truths. (Over-)Simple truths are required where a prior (false) ideology fails and needs replacing with one that works.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/16 08:55 PM
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Uh, no, it doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/16 08:49 PM
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I may not, in the medium term, but the truth is many women are fairly similar. Staying with her is a present convenience, and perhaps swapping her out wouldn't change much. I've certainly seen that with friends who have done so. It doesn't matter to me much though, I derive meaning from more than a relationship. While it's delivering value, it's just not high enough up the priority list to change. It's no hardship being with her though, doesn't obstruct me doing anything else I want on a day to …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/16 08:36 PM
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Genuine asexual relationships (that are not what the rest of us call "friends") are rare as rocking horse shit. Dead bedrooms where one won't play and the other suppresses their authentic nature are sadly much more common. And hangup-free hookups are still sadly the minority, given most women want commitment in exchange for pussy, and except for selected men, hold that line at all costs. More casual sex would be a good thing, though aligned more with the male imperative.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/16 07:44 PM
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I don't trust my wife. Not with regard to cheating, but with regard to behaving well. She doesn't, and requires near-constant management. I don't know or care if she trusts me.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/16 07:39 PM
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Like I say, I don't mind if you call me some half-assed derogatory term, when the substance of meaning behind it is true. Relationships aren't the meaning of life. Genitals exist for us to give each other pleasure, just like sex toys. The pleasure's there to make us want to bump uglies and make lots of little humans. We're clever apes though so have found ways to maximize the pleasure and keep the kiddo count under control (ehh, kinda). The archetypal male imperative to fuck is closer to this th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/16 07:31 PM
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"Don't be a follower, forge your own path" is good RP advice. Banging lots of women may not be the meaning of life, but it makes the journey pleasant, and is a worthy sub-goal.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/16 07:15 PM
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So, what are your "human success criteria" then?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/16 12:26 PM
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soul mate forever This is where we part ways. I don't believe souls, soulmates, or forever (in a romantic sense) are concepts with any real meaning. Disposable fucktoy is just an inflammatory term you use because you need to hate on RP to be consistent with your identity, but if you subtract the tone, that's pretty much what we all are. It's just sex, after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/16 12:22 PM
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Interesting perspective on the "boyfriend stuff", but I suspect that changes over time anyway. To be more like what you describe, not less. I have an fwb who is divorced, but the last thing she wants is a man hanging around the place being all boyfriendy. But then we used to hang out and do things together before we started banging, and probably would still do so even if we stopped.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 07:59 PM
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You missed out a TL;DR, so imma help you out here: "I don't like bjs and anal (ooh yucky) and can't understand that others may have different experiences and preferences to me". Your world =/= my world.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 07:51 PM
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And I'm saying you're minimizing the the difference in rates of success.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 11:13 AM
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Firstly, what my SO does and doesn't "allow" me is beside the point. She doesn't own me, nor I her. She's a grown-ass woman, and I'm a grown-ass man, amd we can make our own decisions about how to live and act. would you take it? And how far would you take it? Yes, of course I would, and do.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 09:56 AM
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How many short, fat, balding guys do you know with good personalities, who get laid on the regular? How's their success rate compare to the hot guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 12:54 AM
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You do seem quite invested in that particular mindset. Why is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 08:50 PM
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Ah. Thank you for enlightening this stranger from the non-coupon lands.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/16 05:54 AM
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What makes a Subway "the wrong Subway)?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/16 05:31 AM
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If it's a couple I'm part of, no What other consenting adults get up to is 100% their business.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/16 12:49 AM
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That's it in a nutshell. We generally put up with more bullshit for longer. TRP is partly unpopular because it advises men not to do this.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 07:58 PM
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It's well, not good. How well... Pretty well. I won't fuck just anyone, but I'm male, I'd have to be kinda broken not to be up for it if the opportunity arises. Scale of 1-10? 10 of course, it's my sex drive, I'm totally in control of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/16 08:26 PM
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Critical. She reads my emails or texts, she's probably gone. She puts a keylogger on my PC or phone, definitely gone. Instant dismissal. I don't diarize/journal but if I did, same as emails/texts. If she wants to know something, she can talk to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 09:57 AM
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No, I'm saying they are different things which we use the same term for. Put it this way: I think in the normal course of events people feel lust/desire for someone, and simultaneously an emotional attachment. If it's just one or the other, you get casual sex or platonic care/friendship, respectively. One of these ingredients lasts, the other doesn't. But just because they occur at the same time doesn't make them the same thing. Plus we call both of these love, and so get confused. There are man…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 12:52 AM
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That's great and all, but (foolishly) assumes the building is built out of bricks.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 11:25 PM
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I'm far from a zealot, and am not taking anything to extremes. My friend circle is broad, and yes, mostly in their 40s, 50s and beyond. Of the surviving couples, and there ain't too many of them, the men are generally dismally unhappy, and the wives are horrid. Fat, lazy, entitled, naggy, sarcastic, dismissive or neglectful of their husbands - most of whom do nothing to deserve different, of course. The happy couples are the "special pairings": Two vegan hippies against the world, childhood swee…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 07:25 PM
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I'm not sure about your first point, but for the moment let's take it as true. Love can endure easier than attraction. Much easier. I love my partner, almost unequivocally. That's easy. Am I attracted to her with some kind of "love spark"? No. Love becomes a habit.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 07:08 PM
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There is a massive difference between the two ideas. Love is easy. Attraction (the basis of the spark) is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 12:39 PM
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"Affection and love" not "love spark".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/16 08:04 PM
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What's the basis for that belief if yours? The first bit, no problem with the second.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/16 07:51 PM
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So far, they all have. How long we talking here? Most of my mates have terrible relationships, or have had divorces. The best relationships of the lot are two hippies (but he has a military background, is fit, and does interesting stuff) and a relationship where he's a heavily tattooed bad boy biker. All the nerds have crashed and burned. Give it time.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/16 07:17 PM
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Of course all marriages lose the "love spark" and become a matter of habit and compromise. Chemistry is temporary.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/16 07:13 PM
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For someone to read anything of RP and honestly think, even momentarily, that it advocates "becoming beta bux", they would have to be so dumb that they wouldn't be able to function in society without help. Lots of help. Thus, the positive diagnosis is that you're trolling. Have fun with it though.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/16 11:14 AM
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Now you're just trolling...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/16 10:21 AM
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You have a really fucked up idea of what TRP thinks men should aspire to.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/16 11:19 PM
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Yes it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/16 08:25 PM
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Wanting is free. It's doing that matters. More men than women do risky things because of T.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/16 08:25 PM
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It's a self-improvement sub, you know, designed for guys that need improvement. Being "alpha" has many benefits other than attracting pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/16 08:18 PM
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TRP tells guys to have a purpose outside of women. To be awesome for their own sake. The pussy will, and does, follow that. In fact if you are only doing shit for the sake of pussy, you're gonna fail at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/16 08:12 PM
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Nice try. They do indeed point out that most girls are superficial and needy, and have been raised to expect that six-figure salary and more. But to characterize that as a purpose that RP willingly accepts is simply a lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/16 08:08 PM
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There is a difference between wanting pussy, and recognizing all the shit men have to do to get it, and having the pursuit of it be your sole purpose. TRP is always telling men to get out there and do dope shit for themselves, and the pussy will follow. The advice is overtly against being a thirsty chump with oneitis. You are being disingenuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/16 07:32 PM
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Men are more ambitious and risk-taking because of testosterone. Women are more vulnerable to advertisers because of their greater belief in the inherent validity of emotions. Your point about class may just reduce to "ambitious people are successful" plus my comment above. It's not a bad generalization though.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/16 07:05 PM
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The average female is more ambitious The average female is fat and lazy, and usually under-informed about things outside of her comfortable bubble.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/16 07:01 PM
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TRP constantly says that men wouldn't bother doing anything if they weren't trying to get pussy. Sigh. No, it really doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/16 06:55 PM
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I don't know what I would "naturally" be, and neither does anyone else, as that experiment was not conducted. I was raised beta, so turned out beta. I have dropped a lot of the characteristics of betaness, to positive effect, but I am neither alpha nor beta as a matter of identity or nature. I manifest alpha or beta behavior in certain circumstances and with varying results.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/16 12:49 AM
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Congrats, you're sane :)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/16 07:39 PM
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there is (1) no grounds to criticize women, except her looks, since their value, unlike men, is not based on behavior, (2) women are wonderful, merely for being women, since they provide value merely by being women, (3) there is no harm in coddling women, since again, their value is not dependent on their character. They could be fat, which breaks (2). And they could be fat because they have no self-discipline, whoops, there went (3) too. Women are not intrinsically valuable because lots of them…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/16 12:32 PM
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I don't mind at all. Also, plate is the highest rank anyone can achieve in my world.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/16 12:27 PM
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So, as a matter of interest: If I don't demand exclusivity or virginity from my partner it's then ok if I fuck around? Cos that's a sentiment I agree with, but most people don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/16 12:24 PM
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Plenty. Not monogamous. Don't mate guard. Like sluts. Probably am one. Generally left-leaning. Think AWALT, but some parts of the T change with age.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/16 05:56 AM
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No, people can have interesting theoretical ideas too. Besides, when you're trapped in a loveless marriage etc. is exactly when RP ideas are very useful. Personally I'd care more to hear about those views than the 18 yo kiss-close FRs, or how to pick up 20-somethings in a bar.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 05:02 AM
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Don't care about people, personalities, or for that matter allegiances. It's what people say that's important.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 12:22 AM
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Most of my friends are blueish at least. No overt SJWs because we're grownups. I don't mind; I just mock them when they do dumb shit in their relationships. "That didn't work again? Hmmm, who woulda guessed? You slept on the sofa because she's pissed at you for some trivial thing? And she won't fuck you? Yeah, completely surprising, no idea what you're doing wrong... /s" Unless they are looking for genuine advice of course, I'm not a complete cunt.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 07:07 PM
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im pretty sure the problem your wife had was that you were a push over and didnt assert yourself. And I'm pretty sure you don't know jack shit about me, my relationship, and how I presented myself, apart from what I commented above. you will eventually let your guard down and stop pretending. once you do that, if you attracted someone by putting on a mask, that person will see the real you and lose interest This is not about wearing masks when you are a "piece of shit that nobody likes", this is…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 08:54 AM
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The end-goal is perfection That's not how evolution works, that's how religion works. Perfectibility is a nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/16 07:22 PM
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being nice to get something isnt being nice. its being manipulative. thats like the opposite of being nice. You know, I'm reaaaallly tired of this old chestnut of bullshittyness. Nice guys are (almost all) genuinely nice, well-meaning, caring, sensitive, kind, compassionate, hard-working, compliant little people. However they do want relationships and sex. They are (almost all) not actually nasty manipulative sociopathic pieces of shit who are acting like nice guys, just to get sex. They get soc…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/16 05:51 AM
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marriage always ends in misery. Other than those cases where both die at the same time, or the relatively few truly amicable divorces, it does. Edit: Great comment btw.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/16 03:55 AM
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This is not a long way from basic red advice: Basically, quit your bitching and get your shit together, being nice isn't actually enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/16 03:49 AM
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I'll give it a crack. I was not raised on tradcon values, more on "be the nice guy you are and it'll all work out" bs plus the feminism of the time. I was, and am, fairly left-leaning. The women I was competing for and chasing were not exposed to the liberal sexual mores of today, and would in fact have disapproved of them. Yet core RP works pretty much the same with this older cohort, who don't possess the attributes you claim as causes here. Some things aren't the same, and some are just expre…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/16 03:47 AM
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Do you think they're responsible for PPD strawmen, too?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/16 01:43 AM
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But I do get to try to point out inconsistencies in the things you respect and I do get to encourage you to respect OTHERS because that's how CIVILIZATION works, you don't just do whatever the hell you feel like doing to others. You have no idea what I respect, but I don't think we mean the same thing by that word anyway. And why not? So you're not receptive to thorough, proper argumentation I'm very receptive to thorough, proper argumentation, however I find it usually doesn't need to be dresse…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 07:51 PM
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Kid, I was once like you (well, a bit, I wasn't quite as insufferably pompous), but the universe knocked that shit out of me over the years. If I could go back and do it all again, well, I'd skip whatever the fuck you want to cause this phase you're in, and get right on to the adulting bit. Coupla things: You don't get to determine what I respect in a conversational partner/opponent, or anything else. I'm in no way offended, and cbf if you're trying to be "mean", which is pretty obviously not th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 07:00 PM
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I also find the incorrect use of the term "solipsism" to be mildly irksome, but I think it's intended to convey more than just being self-centred. A self-centred person merely doesn't care about the concerns of others - valuing their own more highly. They're lacking in motivation to care for others; there's less in the transaction for them, so they don't bother. An RP-version solipsist, I think, is incapable of understanding that others probably do not work the same way they do, and have separat…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 12:13 PM
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Yes, this is a serious thread. I'd like people to respect that. So, do something to earn that respect, rather than being a sarcastic, hyper-excited hothead. Why would anyone engage with you in a discussion on this? You're clearly not interested in a reasoned debate, as your post is littered with exclamations, emotional outbursts, and answering your own questions. The chance of changing anyone's mind online is a number very close to zero; but here, I think it is actually zero. This whole episode …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 11:44 AM
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Others have answered your other points better than I can already, so I just wanna pick up on this: Men are human, too, so you can't rely on them to shoulder all the struggles and decisions for two people all the time. The fact that men are human (and, I assume you mean, fallible/capable of weakness) doesn't mean that they aren't expected to be strong and capable, and that there are no consequences to them being weak. What should be reasonable is irrelevant, all that matters is what is. Many or e…
/r/askTRP26/04/16 06:50 AM
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I'm not a misogynist. I can't speak to the delusion, but such is the way of delusion, innit? (And, as you don't know me, and can't claim absolute knowledge of a field highly open to opinion and interpretation, neither can you). I've only once been in a circlejerk of sorts, but I suppose once is enough to label. Oh well... Please refrain from posting in this thread You crack me up. So serious. FWIW, I think some of your points are valid, but that things are more nuanced than either you, or the si…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 06:09 AM
3

BP "annoyance phaser", like an RP anger-phaser, but with more earnestness. And triggering. Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 04:47 AM
3

Make up your mind. I thought it was: men are considerably more likely to go off with a younger woman than women are to go off with a younger man
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/16 07:53 PM
1

I dunno where all this "TRP bans people easily" stuff comes from. I've expressed some controversial views there and bern downvoted, even got some shitty PMs, but not banned. I think it's quite an open-minded forum, actually, wouldn't call it a "safe space". People there will certainly call you on your bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/16 12:13 AM
1

By "feeding" do you mean cooking meals? Cos it's always nice eating something good you didn't cook yourself. Massages, not so much. And shampooing my hair? Are you fucking kidding me? I'm not 4 years old.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 05:27 AM
1

Compromissions I think you just broke my brain :D
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/16 06:24 PM
4

Women are weird. :) I don't need to deceive others to feel powerful.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/16 02:35 AM
4

it isn't directed at anyone in particular So what is it then? "Validate meeeee... Someone, anyone..."?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/16 12:23 AM
1

And I suppose in your world a woman will respect and desire a man who she's just demonstrated she can dismiss and recall at will? Women want to be pursued, persuaded, "conquered", won over... There is a large body of writing for women on exactly this. Doesn't make rape ok, but sperg-level explicit consent is not sexy to most women. Most men wouldn't care either way: I don't believe I'd not consent to sex that I wanted because I'm confused, or concerned what she/others would think of me, or didn'…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 07:27 PM
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Man but you are invested in this. Dicklord set out a reasoned response to your question and you immediately come back with an escalation to black and white, down to to capital letters. What put a bug up your ass?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 06:53 PM
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This is pretty common, but guys get complacent and comfortable, don't believe they have other options, and so think they are happy as they are. That can work fine too, unless something (db, affair, etc.) drops the scales from their eyes and they figure out shit ain't working right. Guys whose wives keep them happy (well sexed, low shit quota) will find they'll usually stay happily settled down.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 12:20 AM
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Yeah the relationship's doomed, yada yada, all the stuff you already know. One thing that struck me is the amount of association in your comments between sex and immorality/filth/dirt etc. You may wanna get that looked at. Sex is not bad/naughty/immoral/filthy, it's a normal part of human life.
/r/askTRP12/04/16 06:49 PM
1

Most of the gay couples I know have been together longer than the hetero ones, and are more committed and stable, not less. They make good money, work hard etc. Just prefer the butthole, whatever floats their boats I say. They could easily provide a "resource stable" environment for raising kids, although the absence of maternal influence could be interesting.
/r/MGTOW11/04/16 07:35 PM
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I don't think non-mono is objectively more enlightened, and don't argue that everyone should do it. In fact I'd say that would be bad. But I suggest the argument from history for monogamy is way overstated, and this has mainly religious/cultural control roots. Not to mention most people invoking it don't get past the naturalistic fallacy in their reasoning. What early hominids did is only passingly relevant to us today. Particularly if you buy heavily into r/K, which is all about environmental i…
/r/MGTOW11/04/16 07:10 PM
1

There are risks in everything. No more risk in sensible non-monogamy than for "young alphas" banging bar skanks, in fact quite a bit less.
/r/MGTOW11/04/16 09:15 AM
1

So it doesn't "pretty much dictate all of monogamy" then?
/r/MGTOW11/04/16 08:51 AM
1

I know you're old, so I'll cut you a little slack here. What "assertions" are you having trouble with?
/r/MGTOW11/04/16 08:10 AM
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Bonobos are r selected You sure about that? They: sexually mature around at 13 years live for about 40 years Have few offspring at one time (twins are unusual) have a good infant survival rate (<20% by age 5) have high parental investment (direct from the mother, but it's a matriarchal society) That's K-selected by definition, if you're into that kinda thing.
/r/MGTOW11/04/16 06:47 AM
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Almost no species are completely sexually monogamous So why all the anxiety and vitriol here, when someone who doesn't fit the mono standard comes along? I'm non-mono by my choice, no-one else's. I extend the same courtesy to my wife because I couldn't be assed mate-guarding, as it would be a poor use of my time. I've done all the procreating I want, I care less about paternity certainty. Mono is an expensive strategy to deliver worse outcomes. For me. You guys can be as mono tradcon as you want…
/r/MGTOW11/04/16 04:26 AM
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It must be lovely caring what you think, but yeah, nah, not gonna happen.
/r/MGTOW10/04/16 07:59 PM
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Some interesting studies there, I'll have to find the sources and read them fully later. You could have saved yourself the af/bb exposition though, I understand that, no disagreements either. It's only an explanation for non-monogamy, though, and the applicability of classical or naturalistic models to our rather perverse modern culture is questionable anyway. Strategies that work for birds or early hominids may not be optimal in the state we're currently in. A weakness of many of these studies …
/r/MGTOW10/04/16 07:26 PM
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Jesus you are a fuckwit. I'm male, and more red than blue. But unlike the denizens of this shithole, I can think for myself (you know, part of that whole going your own way thing) rather than just adopting the herd line.
/r/MGTOW10/04/16 06:26 PM
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Go debate with the polyamorous woman and you may have a point.
/r/MGTOW10/04/16 12:29 PM
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Why do you care so much? You wanna be monogamous, or solitary, or whatever, then do it. They're not harming you. No need to cluck about it like a bunch of old grannies. That is what liberty means.
/r/MGTOW10/04/16 12:08 PM
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Bzzzzt. Your logic fails completely here. You are stating that, since polyamory is not monogamy, and polygamy is not monogamy, polyamory is equivalent to polygamy. That is like saying since an apple and banana are both not an orange, apples = bananas. You have severe comprehension difficulties here. I'm not saying polyamory is equivalent to polygamy at all. They are quite different. But they are both types of non-monogamy, whether you like it or not. The woman in the article isn't polygamous, be…
/r/MGTOW10/04/16 09:23 AM
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So bonobos (or chimps for that matter) and gorillas don't exist in your world? Or the vast numbers of non-monogamous bird species that are also K-selected?
/r/MGTOW10/04/16 09:02 AM
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Let's try some logic here: The woman in the article is polyamorous. I never said she wasn't, by the way. She's married. She's not married to more than one person. Therefore she's not polygamous. Polyamory is a form of non-monogamy. See Wikipedia is you disagree. Polygamy is also a form of non-monogamy. So, she's non-monogamous. She would be if she was polygamous, too, but it doesn't matter. She is non-monogamous, and the article is about a non-monogamous person. Non-monogamy is "is a type of int…
/r/MGTOW10/04/16 08:26 AM
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I was just about gone, and your persuasive arguments drew me back in. Damn!
/r/MGTOW10/04/16 07:45 AM
2

For most of history, gay marriage wasn't a thing, either. Yet it is "at this point".
/r/MGTOW10/04/16 07:44 AM
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What claim?
/r/MGTOW10/04/16 07:43 AM
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And 87.5% of statistics are made up.
/r/MGTOW10/04/16 07:43 AM
-1

Go on, make the case then. How?
/r/MGTOW10/04/16 07:42 AM
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Ok, I know I said I was going to leave you boys to your happy fun, but this one's too easy to pass up. nowhere did I bring up monogamy Uh.. the article's about a non-monogamous woman, and you were commenting on her marriage, in case you'd forgotten. get married ... then both of you fuck anything that moves. Oh, you mean like non-monogamous people do? Get your psuedo-intellectual bs out of here I do love being called a pseudo-intellectual in response to discussions involving basic logic. It's a p…
/r/MGTOW10/04/16 07:37 AM
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I am the only sane person on a planet full of nutters.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/16 07:20 AM
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Well, I sure as fuck ain't gonna find one here. Have fun, boys, I'm out.
/r/MGTOW10/04/16 06:54 AM
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Your argument is bullshit, and your claim is unsupported. That is criticism, dumbass. You also fail to understand my point, almost completely. Your claim that monogamy has been common in Western civilization therefore it has made Western civilization great is at issue here. I'll leave aside the obvious laughability of your claim that "two-parent households equals monogamy". However, not to worry, I have neither the patience nor the time tonight to argue with idiots. I'll leave you to enjoy your …
/r/MGTOW10/04/16 06:49 AM
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Your well reasoned and mature argument is... not very persuasive. Perhaps you can try again when you graduate kindergarten?
/r/MGTOW10/04/16 06:40 AM
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I know the difference. You were the one who was talking about marriage.
/r/MGTOW10/04/16 06:39 AM
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contributing fuck-all It's contributing the observation that you are making bullshit claims unsubstantiated by evidence. If you don't like criticism, don't make dumb-ass comments. I'll skim the paper, but it's not about monogamy, so doesn't appear to support your claim. The claim that children of single-parent children manifest certain negative behaviors isn't controversial, and is one I fully support. It points out that conventional nuclear families are better (at creating acceptable-behaving k…
/r/MGTOW10/04/16 05:19 AM
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Not a buzzphrase, a reminder of a basic error in reasoning which you seem to be falling in to. r/K selection theory has little to do with monogamy. You're reaching.
/r/MGTOW10/04/16 04:49 AM
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Two-parent monogamous nuclear families have certainly been common in recent history, within western civilization. However, your claim of causality (monogamy causing development) has no evidence. Correlation is not causation.
/r/MGTOW10/04/16 04:35 AM
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How can you even call this a marriage at this point? Why do you assume that marriage must be monogamous?
/r/MGTOW10/04/16 04:26 AM
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the husband was on board with this He's also non-monogamous. This won't result well for society. What makes you believe that? Ahahahahaha...the circus rolls on. Jealousy can feature in non-mono relationships. Honestly, I'm a bit confused. You guys are meant to be GYOW, but seem quite hung up about social convention here. This article is just about a successful open relationship. Nothing to see here, move along? Why's it bother you?
/r/MGTOW10/04/16 04:24 AM
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The end game is the mass delusion that being grotesquely obese is acceptable, attractive, and healthy. This is a denial of reality at a grand scale, and is fuelled by human laziness and corporate greed.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 08:57 PM
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not-mainstream body types Increasingly, those are reasonably healthy, slim or athletic.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 05:41 AM
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almost completely devoid of mature discussion about the bigger issues in life. Isn't that just reddit though? I mean, grown-ups are more than slightly in the minority most places around here.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/16 05:33 AM
1

Sure. Any other position would be you "thinking other men should do it because you want to", which would be a bit solipsistic for here.
/r/MarriedRedPill07/04/16 09:57 PM
1

A lot of assumptions there. My point is not can or can't, it's why.
/r/MarriedRedPill07/04/16 09:03 PM
1

Depends what you do for kicks. The economics of the effort required to levitate a typical shitty marriage back to "acceptable" vs. the return you get, over time, are not obvious. Doesn't make a guy who blows that up and decides not to play again a "pussy".
/r/MarriedRedPill07/04/16 07:49 PM
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Good post, have an upvote. Remember: You are worth this effort. Remember also to ask this: Is she?
/r/MarriedRedPill05/04/16 07:55 PM
1

they orgasm all the time. If by "all the time" you mean "every time", that's not true. I have had occasions where the woman I was shagging was right into it, but something about her strongly put me off and I just didn't wanna anymore. Stayed hard, just didn't want to cum. This is unusual though, most of the time I can just NGAF and get off, so I don't think I'm invalidating your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/16 07:30 PM
1

more special It's just sex, dude. It's not "special".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/16 07:12 PM
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"Women are less rational or logical than men." Nope. Women are worse with visual spatial skills, but are better with verbal skills. Perhaps you should re-read your own comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/16 08:10 PM
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the new belief system TRP endorses. Unfortunately you have misunderstood some of this. Good on you trying to bring evidence to the debate though, even with the limitations of evidence in this area, as described elsewhere in the thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/16 07:28 PM
1

Yes, evidence is important. Can be experiential, of course, risk of confirmation bias notwithstanding. RP says women don't usually find it attractive to have to exhibit empathy towards men, thus stoicism is better. More verbal isn't more logical. There's so little logical debate online that it's hard to attribute more of the irrational bullshit to one gender or other, but I think women take the (booby) prize here. I know about one woman who regularly exhibit hard, rational logic, and many that t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/16 07:25 PM
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Jesus, not this shit again.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/16 11:26 AM
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So, you never saw a make-over movie or wondered why good looking people were on TV? Don't believe I ever saw a make-over movie, no. And TV wasn't in my geography until I was a teenager. Besides, good looking people on TV has nothing to do with me needing to look good to win women. I've never heard that you shouldn't have self respect. I did. Men were expressly secondary to women, from being treated as large children (sometimes deservedly) by their wives and mothers, to being clearly told to put …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 08:44 AM
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I think TRP men were listening to what they wanted to hear and in denial of any need to change. I'll stick my neck out here and say I absolutely heard no advice when growing up that was congruent with TRP. It was all true love conquers all, magical romance will transform you when you find The One, chase and keep chasing bs. Nobody told me: to get and stay physically attractive; in fact this was dismissed as shallow to set clear individual boundaries; men were expected to just "put up with her sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 07:39 PM
1

I do trust her, but I cbf what she does.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/16 07:22 PM
4

And the gender-independent attributes of the manchild/princess are: immaturity: wanting/needing someone else to take responsibility for things you should be able to do but are incapable/lazy agency-aversion: lack of accountability, general unwillingness to own their shit stagnation: lack of growth mindset and orientation towards self-improvement, excessive fondness for comfort, risk aversion Items 1 and 3 are linked, obviously, and I think women have a disadvantage when it comes to #3 because th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/16 07:21 PM
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I can't seem to copy the list on mobile to reply in detail, but no x 13. Oh hang on, the manipulation one is ehh, maybe, and the orbiters is not at present.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/16 04:22 AM
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I'm not offended by much, particularly what strangers or casual acquaintances do. I'm unlikely to comment on their choices because they don't affect me and I basically don't care. When my socialist healthcare/welfare system pays for their health problems caused by their fat asses having no self-control, though, or for them to pop out endless babies, then you can be sure I have an opinion and feel quite happy expressing it. When it's not a stranger, but someone who should be staying in decent sha…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/16 04:18 AM
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Hey you got an upvote from me, it was a fairly solid comment. I was just joking about the white-hot rage at the end there. Obviously some people here don't get humor though! :)
/r/MGTOW29/03/16 06:11 PM
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Someone needs a Snickers. :)
/r/MGTOW29/03/16 07:28 AM
1

Why not both?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/16 04:14 AM
1

Sure, I'm not making an absolute pronouncement, I'm saying for me, being an adult isn't compatible with crying.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/16 06:31 PM
1

When you're brave enough to tell me what the upper bound of human population should be, sonny, then come back and talk. Until then you're just another kid who thinks he's special.
/r/askTRP28/03/16 05:15 PM
1

Yeah, nah, don't understand that at all. I've dealt with some complicated shit, been treated very unjustly, looked right down the barrel of suicide, had people close to me die suddenly... Never reached for tears in the toolbox, since I was about 18 or a bit younger. Don't see how they'd help me. But whatever works, we're all different.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/16 05:13 PM
0

Such science and logic. You go on believing you're special if it makes you feel good, kiddo.
/r/askTRP28/03/16 05:04 PM
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She would need a full body transplant for that.
/r/MGTOW28/03/16 09:14 AM
1

Move a few hours east and you can shoot the fuckers.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/16 09:09 AM
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Yesterday, we went for a long walk I showed that I cared deep down, shedded some tears - and she promised to take a step back with the other guy, and to at least get to know him better. She hugged me, cried, and I could see the spark in her eyes. She had no issues with getting really close and physical... This just gets better. Are you familiar with the term "oneitis"?
/r/askTRP28/03/16 08:46 AM
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ou have to wear a mask all the time But I'm really like this... I don't cry because it's a waste of effort. If I have a problem I get stuck in to solving it. If I'm unhappy and don't know why I'll work it out, or consult someone who can help. That's almost never going to be my partner, it may be a shrink (unlikely but not impossible) or a mate who's faced something similar, or who has a good mind and can help me figure shit out. Once I have figured out the cause of my discomfort, I get stuck in …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/16 08:16 AM
1

you don't cry in front of a woman because AWALT. You don't let the woman lead the relationship because AWALT. You don't cry in front of a woman (that you are in a romantic relationship with) because there is nothing to be gained from it. It's all risk and downside. Crying's a bit of a waste of time anyway. You don't let a woman lead the relationship because the overwhelming majority of women are completely shit at that, and don't like it anyway. Source: I married a woman I wanted a "relationship…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/16 08:07 AM
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there is no way for a woman to prove herself? Plenty of ways for a women to prove herself as being a good woman, not as being a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/16 07:52 AM
1

This is a very good explanation. My partner is almost completely no-risk when it comes to the hypergamous-flight-to-Chad dimension, but doesn't react well to vulnerability or uncertainty from me, so is high on the likes-stoic-men dimension. Not all women are identical cookie-cutter clones, but they mostly possess the same set of characteristics.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/16 07:50 AM
0

I'm as much for individual liberty as the next guy, but unconstrained animal populations follow predictable patterns. Unless you're one of those "well, we'll just colonize other planets" wackos, you either have a flimsy grasp of exponential growth, or actually want to procreate for other reasons: mainly that you think you're special. This is typically the "my kids will be engineers" argument above; it's also the "black/poor/arab/asian/low class/... people shouldn't reproduce, but it's OK if I do…
/r/askTRP28/03/16 07:13 AM
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Yeah, trust me, it's fucking awesome. Disclaimer: has some side-effects.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/16 07:05 AM
-1

Unless reality has completely passed you by, engineers et al are a minority, and the vast numbers of young already loaded into the demographic funnel are losers, from and education and wealth perspective.
/r/askTRP28/03/16 03:23 AM
-1

So why do you? Not answering the question, I note.
/r/askTRP28/03/16 02:00 AM
8

Well you know it's so awesome being a man, it's hard not to gloat.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/16 01:59 AM
6

Yeah, that stuff that makes us stronger, better, faster... :)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/16 01:06 AM
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I am not a misogynist and don't hate anyone, let alone women. Women are inferior in some (maybe many) pursuits but they don't have the benefit of testosterone. As Atlas says, men are better at being men. But women are cool, and I like 'em.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/16 12:28 AM
0

And? :) How many humans do you think is enough, then?
/r/askTRP28/03/16 12:20 AM
4

So, define your terms. What is it that you are looking for? Man-tingles? Obsessive True Love/Oneitis? A partner in crime Ability to have deep conversations about your and her feelings Someone to plan the rest of your life with ??? "Connection" doesn't mean anything. Also, why was what you had before better than fucking some plates? What did it do for you?
/r/askTRP27/03/16 09:11 AM
0

Why? There's quite enough humans.
/r/askTRP27/03/16 07:07 AM
1

Had mine done a bit over a decade ago. No impact on libido that I can tell, I'm still a horny bastard. Wouldn't know about reversibility, I have done my bit to contribute to the continuation of the species, no more kids thanks. It hurt a little bit, like minor surgery does. Take painkillers and don't be a pussy :) 10/10 would do again.
/r/askTRP27/03/16 07:05 AM
1

more connection What do you imagine that would be like? How would you know when you have it?
/r/askTRP27/03/16 06:01 AM
2

Dishonest in the "not based on a fair assessment" sense, or the "unprepared to give something a fair go" sense, then. You know, intellectually dishonest. Claiming we're in denial about misogyny and won't even agree with your definition (which sounds like it might be "whatever those mean terpers think") is a pretty dishonest position to take.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/16 09:00 AM
1

You do know that's a different thing to "pretty much doomed from the start", right?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/16 08:54 AM
1

a relationship that was founded on the fact that one person was cheating on another person is pretty much doomed from the start. A common assumption, but one more based in visceral dislike of cheating than reality. I know more than a few cases of affairs that have turned into long, successful relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/16 02:51 AM
2

Where do you think the trophy wives for us successful older guys come from? 35 is post-wall for a 20 year old, but from where I'm sitting 35 is young and usually hot compared to my age cohort.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/16 02:46 AM
2

No, I'd suggest dishonest works better.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/16 10:51 PM
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Oh I don't disagree. It's just not a common bloop view.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/16 08:40 PM
3

terpers tend to be in denial that 1) they are misogynist and 2) what misogyny is and how it's expressed. How convenient!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/16 05:22 AM
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And there I was thinking it was a red idea that relationships are inherently transactional... :)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/16 05:17 AM
1

That's because the pill messes with the female sense of smell, which is a big part of their attraction, I understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/16 05:14 AM
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Yes, I know you were wrong, but it's ok, we all make mistakes. :) I was going to reply that I don't care about my reputation, but that's not true: I care greatly about my reputation with people that matter to me, and have power over me, or something to give me. Online anonymous reputation is worthless though. Why would I give a fuck if a bunch of idealists online thought I was literally Hitler?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/16 09:12 PM
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism No, it really isn't, and you may not have made them up, but you seem to buy into them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/16 07:56 PM
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I agree with bdtb that it does contradict you. The anti-feminism gender perspective is a sufficient condition for the hate. I don't pitch right wing views in conversation online, but get lots of hate in dumb places like the relationships subs just for being associated with RP. Even when the point I'm making there is exactly the same as another commenter, who might get drowned in upvotes, and even when I'm (apparently) not the hardest core red piller. I'm also a bit of a classical leftie, althoug…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/16 07:09 PM
-1

No, I think the world is full of dumb fucks who are easily led, and dumb fucks with no self-discipline.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/16 12:51 PM
-1

That's their problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/16 09:38 AM
1

I much prefer women to have agency. And accountability too, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/16 05:13 AM
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I'm not sure if I'm changing your view because I'm not sure I understand it. But I had sex with someone without knowing her name (so no emotions) that I would call good sex. She was probably a 6, but I don't really do numbers. We were just both horny and keen and both had a lot of fun. If I'd seen her again who knows, it might have been shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/16 05:12 AM
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a Nice Guy™ does it because he expects something in return. Well of course he expects something in return, it's romantic pursuit we're talking about. He's been taught he should be a nice guy, and nice guys get the girl. So as a genuine nice guy he expects to be successful in his romantic endeavors. When he finds out the advice he's been taught is a lie, and girls don't actually like nice guys, he's angry and hurt. If he's young and immature, this probably causes him to lash out in frustration. I…
/r/seduction23/03/16 04:53 AM
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The Nice Guy™ is a manipulator. He is false, inauthentic, weak, and frankly not ever truly even nice. He is a buffoon who ostentatiously used over-the-top gestures of kindness for the sole purpose of guilting women into giving him attention, and becomes an unbearable asshole when rejected This is at odds with your comment that Nice Guys genuinely think they're nice.
/r/seduction22/03/16 09:12 PM
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Your argument here supports the creation of regular nice guys, the guys who think being nice and "respectful" and caring and generally what RP would call beta - is enough, and who repeatedly go into gentlemanly courting mode over and over, and fail over and over. This is at least partly due to the feminization of society, as you say, but who knows, some could be other behavioral (lack of physical activity, say), or dietary, even. What happens to these guys when their approach doesn't work is tha…
/r/seduction22/03/16 07:28 PM
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'Cos they dumb. Next?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/16 07:10 PM
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By that definition, Nice Guys would be a very small part of the population, compared to actual, normal, nice guys.
/r/seduction22/03/16 06:46 PM
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Beats telling him he's "beautiful just as he is"...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/16 11:49 AM
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But I do have closeness, and emotional fulfilment and all that. I just recognize that nothing lasts forever, and that's ok. It's good while it's good. In fact, it's better like this. What I'm getting is worth something to me. If it was not freely given, it would be worthless. Also, I'm pretty sure I said I'd be sad if the relationship ended. It just wouldn't be the end of the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/16 11:21 AM
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Typical. I go looking for the studies I had seen earlier, and I only find this one that doesn't show correlation to high sexual satisfaction, but more that it's not a significant factor. Popsci summary from the HuffPo. Sorry :) This may be the article I was thinking about, that says: Among those with extramarital coitus, 56% of the men versus 34% of the women rated their marriage as very happy or happy That seems high, and partly counter to the common wisdom (and to be fair, large body of scienc…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/16 07:11 AM
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the whole idea is you become attached to your partner Why is that a valid assumption? You may not be understanding what I mean by attachment. I have been with my primary partner for a few decades. I am committed to her, as that track record would indicate. I value my relationship with her, and what it provides me. I willingly provide her a bunch of stuff (emotionally, physically etc.) and she does the same for me. If ever that stopped, I would be sad, but not terminally so. I've had other relati…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/16 01:01 AM
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Promiscuity is very relevant in most open relationships. It's not all wild hippie free love, you know.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/16 10:32 PM
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Why would you argue that? What's your reasoning? For clarity, I'm not asking why mono and non- are different, but why my approach to jealousy can't work in either.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/16 10:00 PM
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Lol, I've been married for over 20 years. Seriously, there's no dependency on LTRs or STRs. Not even LTRs last forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/16 09:53 PM
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And yet I explained my reasoning extensively in my original comment to ehwut. Perhaps there is nothing that could change your opinion? I'll summarize: Jealousy is defined as fear of loss. Loss is natural; nothing lasts forever. This is trivially obvious. This does not stop you greatly enjoying things while they last. I can love temporary things, but it is an adult reality to recognize they are temporary. Enjoyment of a moment is not cheapened by its transience. Think of a good meal, an exciting …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/16 08:25 PM
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So, you gonna advance any reasoning and debate, or just keep restating your position like it's a holy axiom?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/16 07:36 PM
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Not true, again. I thought this way before I'd even heard of poly. (Also, I'm not poly, I'm non-mono, there's a difference).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/16 07:35 PM
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Attachment is not required for love, nor does it provide or preclude it. I'd suggest it can even impede it. Don't confuse attachment and care.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/16 07:10 PM
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Not true, I thought like this when I was mono as well. And you're assuming your conclusion: Mono jealousy is common but that doesn't make it natural, or good.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/16 07:08 PM
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I wonder if sexual satisfaction really has anything to do with fidelity. I have seen studies reporting a disproportionately high level of relationship satisfaction in men who cheat. On mobile so might struggle to find them today, but you're on to something.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/16 07:06 PM
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I'd be interested to see how this plays out over time. I know a few guys who married with a low partner count, and all was hunky dory for a decade or so, then they got bored with their wives and started wondering what they had missed out on when they were younger, with predictable results.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/16 07:03 PM
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Bang on. TRP is about reality and what works, not idealism and what should.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/16 06:50 PM
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Promiscuity as a warning sign for bad partners. If you define the only good form of partnership to be hetero, exclusive, pair-coupling, then, trivially, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/16 06:49 PM
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if they could easily have sex they would be taking advantage of that shit like crazy This is true. But we can't.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/16 06:46 PM
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or men what her tits looked like. This happens in virtuous monogamous marriage too. Just add age or lack of self-care.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/16 06:44 PM
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I don't force anything. What about my views is incompatible with monogamy?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/16 05:19 PM
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Why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/16 05:18 PM
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Well, you started it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/16 05:17 PM
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Yes, attachment is a problem everywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/16 10:54 AM
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And what I said applies to all relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/16 10:54 AM
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I'm not, but it really doesn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/16 10:13 AM
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When something is valued, it is treasured and guarded The solipsism is strong with this one. I doubt most people would even believe you. Mate, I couldn't give a fuck. So when something is given naturally, it becomes worthless to you? Please pay attention. That's about the opposite of what I'm saying. How much new age material have you gobbled up? I've read a lot of everything, but newagey horseshit isn't my bag. I'm actually not a cuckold in the fetish or adultery sense, but don't you let facts …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/16 07:09 AM
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if you don't feel at least a little protective/possessive of your SO you probably don't care about them much This is a faulty assumption. See my comment to /u/ehwut above.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/16 05:16 AM
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That's different to jealousy though, surely?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/16 05:15 AM
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Good comment, I'd like to explore one part: if you can't at all care about whether you lose your significant other then you must not care very much about the relationship. This is not true, actually. Or at least not as simple as that. I have zero jealousy, and do not control ("mate guard") my partners. However I greatly value what they willingly give to me via our relationship. The minute something is given through obligation, or fear of loss, or social convention, or coercion and compulsion in …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/16 05:13 AM
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No. Jealousy is insecurity and fear of loss. It's a weak emotion and signifies too much attachment.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/16 05:01 AM
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Fuck off, kid. You're tiresome.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/16 03:04 AM
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Your idiocy is showing. I said I am sexually permissive. So's your solipsism: the world does not work like you think it does, just because you think so. I have absolutely zero moral or other qualms about (adult) fucking, and don't need to prescribe what others do to feel like a man. I give precisely no shits. And I think the last time I felt shame I might have been around your age. But you go on projecting if it makes you feel better.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/16 11:03 PM
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Because you are a 12 year old (mentally, at least), and despite being quite sexually permissive, I don't believe in providing wank fodder to minors.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/16 10:28 PM
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She's quite expensive, all things considered. And no, because it's none of your fucking business.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/16 09:43 PM
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The fuck are you on about...?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/16 11:42 AM
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It's still your choice, honey.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/16 05:26 AM
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Sounds kinda boring tbh, I have other things to do that precludes me hanging around a whorehouse fucking all day long. I could see the point of a quality engagement for an hour or so with a young and attractive lady who pretends enthusiasm well in exchange for a fair wage, then never calls and bugs me with her shit afterwards. I might even give it a go someday, like I say here it's all legal and above board, and there's no shortage of options. There's 4 quite well-established funhouses within a …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/16 03:49 AM
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There is no "but". Me and mine despise rape, rapists, and rape advocates. It is the pursuit of weak, thirsty, and out-of-control men. Or in your case, offered as a bizarro revenge fantasy in an attempt to defuse your man-hate and bitterness. No but required, none supplied.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/16 03:25 AM
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What's "really cheap" to you? Where I am, it's completely legal - but still not cheap.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/16 10:16 PM
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Women won't fuck you if you're a virgin. Women won't fuck you if you've slept with a prostitute. Why tell them either of these things?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/16 09:57 PM
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Such uninformed hatred. My "lot" despises rape and rapists.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/16 08:28 PM
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You did enable it though. Did your insurance cover your loss? Around here they tend not to if it's due to dumbitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/16 11:59 AM
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some pegging needs to be done. Advocating rape? Classy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/16 11:58 AM
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Or, you know, you could examine your beliefs and advance a cogent case for why you hold them, rather than just arrogantly claiming views you don't like as objectively wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/16 09:33 PM
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Neither statement is sexist. One is better advice than the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/16 08:02 PM
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Yes, that's what I said, and what I meant. Did you have anything to add that doesn't mean "this feels yucky to me"?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/16 07:54 PM
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What, I'm the fucking dictionary now? Most stuff depicting men as inherent children that need to be looked after by their mommy-wives. I just don't give much of a shit about people's mis-x-ist words. You go ahead and be as misogynist or misandrist as you want, unless it affects how we interact and that interaction is valuable to me, there just isn't an incentive for me to get excited about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/16 07:53 PM
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Easy. "Most women are airheads who are only good for pussy. When they get fat they are basically useless". Spot the difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/16 07:46 PM
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Different question, but no.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/16 07:44 PM
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I'd say no, although I'm not who you're asking.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/16 07:31 PM
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I'm no Trump fan, but this comment isn't sexist, or particularly bad advice. A bit simplistic, but not the worst I've seen.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/16 07:30 PM
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The claim was that women are always either insulted, or called snowflakes - which is alleged to be a form of "bashing". I showed this is not true. Can you bloops just not do logic?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/16 07:03 AM
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I think porn makes people have unrealistic expectations of penis size. Dunno. I've seen lots of average to small dicks in porn lately. Maybe it's changing?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/16 04:49 AM
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I don't know about you, but I'm not a tit.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/16 04:38 AM
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That's management.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/16 04:35 AM
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You lost a girl. A girl. And sort out your meddling "buddy".
/r/askTRP13/03/16 07:17 PM
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Why do you care? Incidentally I don't think I've seen RPers claim there are no good women out there, merely that there are a set of common behavioral patterns that men should watch out for. And women who don't manifest these aren't decried as snowflakes, that only happens when BPers use the typical "well most people might be like that but I'm an individual" gambit. RPWs aren't called snowflakes. Your point is over-simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/16 07:05 PM
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I'll give it to you, license free. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/16 09:03 AM
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I'll let you in on a secret... You're not that good at this.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/16 08:53 AM
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Sperm competition and pair bonding doesn't fit together that well Incorrect assumption. Even your paper says pair bonds are not always sexually exclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 08:21 PM
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That paper doesn't support your theory though.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 07:52 PM
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But the two are not mutually exclusive. Females often select for provider traits but then have extra-pair couplings with other males. Or get forcibly coupled with (e.g. Ducks) to which her pair-bonded "provider" partner typically responds by giving her a good rogering and outcompeting the "rapists" sperm. Or are paired to the socially dominant primate but sneak off into the bushes for a quickie with Mr #2, whose sperm compete with Mr Alpha #1, possibly aided by a spade-shaped glans. What proof d…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 07:20 PM
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So your view is sperm competition is a real phenomenon, for pretty much all the reasons Ryan suggests, yet you disagree with him? Are you sure you understand the idea properly? I don't get your point about the flehmen response. Are you saying we didn't fuck indiscriminately (which bonobos don't really, either, btw), and there's good reason to to fuck close kin? Don't think anyone disagrees with that. And the whole point of partible paternity is that you get the sperm of the best hunter, the fast…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 06:47 PM
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How so?l I'd say it only matters if your esteem is dependent on the views of others.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 05:53 PM
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Or you could explain the magical mechanism that allows you to know my mental state better than I do.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 05:51 PM
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So explain your view of the purpose of sperm competition then.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 11:56 AM
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There's a destination, is all I'm saying. Incidentally, I didn't say they flirted with me all the time, just that most women hitting on me are "post wall", but that it doesn't matter because they're young and therefore often appealing from where I sit. Your original comment seemed to be expressing incredulity that post-wall women could branch swing because nobody would have 'em. Young guys might turn up their noses, but there are older guys who are happy to shag a tidy lady a few years younger t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 11:54 AM
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Depends on your view, dunnit?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 11:18 AM
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No. Was that the question?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 11:11 AM
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Cheating only exists in human relationships. Non-mono ones too.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 11:03 AM
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Err, wot? Over-35 women looking to "branch swing" could do so to older men, who have maturity and success to offer, and don't need her to be 18. Where do you think the younger models we trade up to come from?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 10:59 AM
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Says people who don't like its conclusions. Why's sperm competition exist then?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 10:55 AM
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Just saying there's somewhere to swing to, for women past 35.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 10:50 AM
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Only if you believe in True Love.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 10:48 AM
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Works well here in the antipodes. You lot in The Land off the Free (snicker) should try it
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 10:45 AM
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It's not, actually. Sperm competition is a thing. Frequently cited in arguments against monogamy e.g. Chris Ryan's work.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 10:42 AM
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Yeah. He wants new pussy. Ok, fair cop, you got me.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 10:37 AM
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And if she's over 35? lol, please. Who is she going to monkey branch to??? Almost all the women who hit on me are over 35.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 10:34 AM
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Not all women are sluts, and it's simply inaccurate to call them so. Only the lovely slutty ones are sluts. "Slut" is such a weird word. I think it's a good thing to be happily slutty. I am, and it doesn't bug me in women, but then I'm not after LTRs and I understand why younger guys looking for unicorns don't like slutty women. All good. Anyway I had a partner who I'm 99.9% sure was exclusive with me at the time (by her choice) and wasn't that experienced. Not virginal, but more good girl than …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 06:45 AM
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What makes you think it's disrespect?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 06:31 AM
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Sex isn't special.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 05:58 AM
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So, live as well as you can, for as long as you want to, then die. (Unless you die earlier than you'd like, of course) Seems pretty simple to me.
/r/askTRP09/03/16 12:10 AM
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Oh, love exists. You just need to figure out if you afford it.
/r/askTRP09/03/16 12:09 AM
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If it's my child, I'd support it. I cant help but think your question needs more context.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/16 10:55 PM
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Incentives matter. Individually subsidising a child is different to intervening when people demonstrate their inability to execute their own agency. What would you do if a couple had drug problems and neglected their children? How's this different to breeding when you can't afford it?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/16 10:26 PM
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Then social agencies respond to the threat to the child's safety (the mother), and remove it to a place of care/foster it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/16 07:51 PM
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Lots. If people could see inside my head, they'd never talk to me again. Commenting top level because this isn't a CMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/16 07:46 PM
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I'm going to just read past the inevitable stream of "cheating is bad" reaffirmations that are inevitable in threads like this, and observe that, like most things in life, there are often multiple causes: He/she neglects themselves and becomes a lazy, fat, disengaged slob? The relationship won't do well, and the other party may cheat. He/she neglects their partner and stops communicating/investing/fucking? Yup, same outcome. We're all responsible for our intentional actions, but in relationships…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/16 07:45 PM
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Make her pay for it, if she wants it that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/16 07:07 PM
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Good post. "Love languages" is utter horseshit. I love the fact that all these "equitable share of the household labor" meatheads conveniently leave out the massive amount of yard work and home maintenance done by the average home-owning family man. I do plenty of cooking and cleaning (I like cooking, and it's currently the only way to live in a clean-to-my-standards house), and 99% of the building, carrying, painting, tree-trimming, digging, gardening, vehicle maintenance,... and anything indoo…
/r/TheRedPill07/03/16 07:31 PM
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I'm not upset at all, nor am I disagreeing that women have some disadvantages. I just think they're generally overplayed, and that (modern Western) women have made a disproportionately loud noise about a minor set of inconveniences for too long. The first-wave feminists sorted out the real issues, the modern lot like to have a bleat about how tough life is, when you really have it pretty good, and are coddled to a degree that I think is unwarranted for the value you deliver. Try being a man, kno…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/16 07:07 PM
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Whoosh....
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/16 06:06 PM
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Because they're more likely to give you a chance, and forgive your mistakes. Hahaha, you funny. In the (male dominated) industries I've worked in, it's "fuck up? fuck off". The one job I worked where the majority of employees were women, I saw the most astounding levels of incompetence brushed aside with a "there, there, at least you tried" - while the men in the place were walked the minute anything could be made to stick to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/16 08:30 AM
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women also have disadvantages Logic police: the issue is who has more advantages/disadvantages. That women have disadvantages is as irrelevant as that men have.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/16 08:20 AM
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That's because you don't see masses of screaming boys period.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/16 07:25 PM
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Apart from the bit of the quote that says: "The generally accepted rule is pink for the boys". I agree it's a complex topic though, but clearly boys wore pink and white dresses until fairly recently, so the idea of pink being innately, naturally feminine as a color is flawed.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/16 06:39 PM
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And yet, fairly recently (mid 19th c.) pink was widely regarded as the color for boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/16 04:08 AM
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Understanding is good, but I thought you were way over there at Disapproving?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/16 12:10 PM
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Interesting. /u/PemBayliss, do you think many Nice Guys are fat and smelly, let alone that they're like this because they didn't "get the memo"?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/16 11:58 AM
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How heartless of you to toy with my excitement so, dragoness... :(
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/16 11:53 AM
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I don't know for sure, because that's essentially unknowable other than to the trans folk themselves. But trans teen suicide rates are disproportionately high, so lack of social acceptance does have a massive negative impact. Also there are lots of cases of very young kids manifesting a different gender ro that which they were born into. Why's it bug you though? Live and let live. Love everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/16 11:44 AM
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Oooh. Promises, promises... ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/16 11:37 AM
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Never seen that, myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/16 11:20 AM
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TRP often claims that Nice Guys are just guys that have never gotten the memo ... that being fat is repulsive and that not dressing like a kid and having basic hygiene is a bonus. That bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/16 09:40 AM
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So you're talking about a tiny, tiny minority then? Is this in agreement with OPs ridiculously false claim about TRP or not, it's hard to tell?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/16 08:55 AM
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No they don't. There are tons of Nice Guys trying to be decent charming chivalrous polite attentive.... schmucks, I guess, because they've been told that girls like nice guys - who are not fat smelly man-children.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/16 08:18 AM
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So why's it not pleasant? You're just saying "I don't like it because it doesn't feel good therefore it's bad". This is just the naturalistic fallacy. You then go full-on "appeal to nature" and assert - no evidence though - that monogamy is natural, therefore it's good; with a side order of sniping at non-mono folks for being shallow. Classy. "In love" is chemistry. When you grow up you realize chemistry doesn't last. This isn't controversial, even for die-hard monos: most people will tell you t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/16 02:04 AM
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I'm with you about the fatties. Almost always a choice. But being trans is not remotely the same thing. Almost never a choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/16 01:18 AM
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Holy thread dredge, there... :) Why does it make you unhappy?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/16 12:49 AM
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I wouldn't like to spend most of my time with someone half my age Me neither. But if I could fuck them from time to time, I'd definitely sign up for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/16 09:42 AM
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Wisdom right there. And not doing anything wrong, doesn't mean doing everything right, of course, which is true of both men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/16 09:39 AM
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If I had a girl who was good enough Aphorism edition: No-one is good enough if you hang around long enough. Full version: It's theoretically possible for two people to genuinely find each other exciting and engaging for their entire lives, but very, very unlikely, mainly because it's a fuckton of ongoing creative, imaginative emotional work, and people are lazy/just not that capable. Many (most?) women end up resigned, many (most?) men frustrated and regretful. But hey, companionship, right? Sou…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/16 09:38 AM
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I'd be interested to see credible sources on those. By pm if too far off topic for the thread.
/r/TheRedPill04/03/16 04:48 AM
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Wars have complex origins, sure, but are you holocaust denying here?
/r/TheRedPill04/03/16 12:48 AM
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Weeel...morality is subjective, but some things are more commonly held to be immoral than others. Such as murder. Which Hitler has a bit of a high score for.
/r/TheRedPill03/03/16 11:30 PM
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So are Nice Guys now being caricatured into only being fat children with BO?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/16 07:33 PM
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Jesus, it's like all the idealism in the universe concentrated itself in one small comment...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/16 07:31 PM
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I will probably never know what it's like to have beta orbiters Be good looking, dress well, hang around lots of gay guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/16 07:26 PM
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That is one magnificent comment. Kudos. Re suicide: I believe that I might one day wake up and calmly, rationally, dispassionately decide to end it. But not today.
/r/MarriedRedPill03/03/16 07:14 PM
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There is no limit to the craziness of people. Hippies can be entertaining though
/r/askTRP03/03/16 05:20 AM
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What you have described about working with others to achieve your goals sounds good to me, and not control freaky. It's like project leadership, confidence is key. Micromanagers either have terrible teams (their problem to fix, and who selected the team?) or they are weak in themselves. Control good, judgement of who to trust good, freakiness not good. Confidence good. The open relationship question I think is really easy. He wants x, she wants not x. If she is confident and comfortable with her…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/16 07:14 PM
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Shaming isn't real.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/16 06:46 AM
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Don't care either way, but then I don't care before the cloning either, so don't worry about me... Sounds kinda awesome, in some ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/16 06:34 AM
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In my case it was both. I was the scrawny geeky kid with a much higher IQ than my peers and no social skills - and helicopter parents, bad religion, social disapproval of sex from that etc. Plenty hot babes around though, and I would have had more friends and invites to parties if I didn't have the crappy nerd genes and consequent stereotyping. Hard to say definitively which had more of a role to play in making me a bit of a social outcast then, but "most of the above" is definitely an option to…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/16 06:33 AM
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No argument here... I think they run their course sometimes, then everyone needs to move on. Good on those people who can make them work forever though.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 11:13 PM
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I'm not, and lots of RPers aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 07:40 PM
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If it was happy in the beginning and became broken, it can be fixed... but I ain't letting her back in now, all I would think is that she is a shallow POS. After a long and mostly happy relationship: When they realise they absolutely hate eachother and it's never going to change Inconsistent position is inconsistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 06:00 PM
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Having sex (getting sex, or pursuing sex) is neither inherently moral or immoral. There are moral, neutral, and immoral ways of pursuing these activities. Some of these are subjectively moral/immoral (cheating, deception, various kinds of false signalling, game, manipulation), others more objectively so (rape). RP does not define for you where your moral compass should point, it only discusses the strategies and actions involved in getting sex (and operating successful relationships, and being h…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 07:03 AM
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I think honestly being tired of each other and dealing with that, however you do so - there's a lot of shades of grey in that set of options - is way better than clinging on to an unhappy relationship because you feel you should. When do you think it's ok for people to get sick of each other and split?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/16 04:38 AM
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So amoral things are evil? You sure you aren't getting confused with immoral? I'm plenty moral, but RP doesn't define my morality. Or even influence it much, honestly. Because it's amoral.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 12:56 AM
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That's your problem, then, you don't understand the approach and mischaracterize it as hate. My relationship was made much more healthy by the addition of some key RP perspectives.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/16 10:59 PM
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Belief for the sake of ideology is much worse for your mental health. Truth is where it's at.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/16 10:29 PM
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So what are you actually doing about the labor conditions that created your tech and clothes? Not saying or thinking or believing, doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/16 07:37 PM
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is going to cloud your judgement and sabotage shit for you Or, you know, do the exact opposite of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/16 07:34 PM
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You don't have to be pro-misogyny (in whatever fucked-up way you might define it) or anti-misogyny. You can also be dgaf-about-supposed-misogyny, or don't-agree-this-is-misogyny. Also, RP may not care what outsiders think.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/16 07:30 PM
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What arguments would those be? Because so far in this thread, you seem to have just made a bunch of unsubstantiated claims.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/16 07:25 PM
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Sounds like someone's feelings were hurt.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/16 07:18 PM
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Well, like I asked before, do you have any rational basis for your bigotry?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/16 07:13 PM
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It's in no way a simple dictionary definition. Degenerate implies something is lesser, lower quality, less moral, or a decline from the golden standards of an idealistic yesteryear. To leap straight into calling a relationship orientation by such negative terms reveals an intolerance that seems pretty easy to label as bigotry.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/16 06:44 PM
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Just because you haven't seen something, doesn't mean it can't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/16 08:44 AM
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Do you have any defensible reason for such bigotry, or are you just one if those "dunno, doesn't work for me" people?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/16 08:23 AM
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Non-monogamous, but not poly in the common sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/16 05:48 AM
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So... in your world, humans that have non-monogamous relationships are incapable of love?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/16 05:47 AM
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Pair-bonding is just one expression of love. There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 10:31 PM
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Who says bonobos are incapable of love?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 10:30 PM
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If you're going to call me degenerate, we're going to have to take this outside...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 10:29 PM
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Most people are idiots, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 10:26 PM
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I saw the post yesterday but only skimmed it as I was madass busy. My response was "uh huh, yup, be authentic, be bold, go with the flow, get into the zen of things, yup, nothing to disagree with there" and on to whatever else I was up to. I've now read it properly here and my response is pretty much the same, except for "damn, that's a lotta words" and "wait, someone thinks this is controversial enough to delete? Hmmm. Weird." :) The best kind of giving a fuck is giving a fuck about what you wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 09:38 PM
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I'm not counting those. Edit: Quick informal survey from today. Not super accurate as I was walking with someone so holding a convo and multiple counts in my head is hard. Prelim results 50-60% neutral, 30% positive (a few guys nodded, smiled, or commented on the weather, which women almost never do), 5-6% unhappy, and a few bewildered. But there were a bunch of really old guys wandering around today which is unusual. Impression is young people and hipsters are the unhappy ones but I wasn't coun…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 09:15 PM
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You know, I'd love to read a 300 page book in order to reply to a comment, but I actually have a life.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 10:54 AM
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It's OK, most men marry for looks and compliance anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 09:24 AM
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Most women I see on the street are scowling, a few are truly neutral, and very few look happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 07:00 AM
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I've been doing a little experiment lately. I walk a dozen blocks up a main street in a big city on my way to work in the morning, past lots of people. I go past easily several hundred each time I walk this way (or back). I've taken to counting the number of women with a passive facial expression, those with a roughly happy facial expression, and those with resting bitch face/grumpy cunt syndrome. I exclude people in conversation with others as that skews in favor of positive, happy, and engaged…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 06:52 AM
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Same difference, if you actually think of men as, you know, individuals, not some great lumpen body.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 06:43 AM
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more or less exclusively human Some primatologists would disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 01:45 AM
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It's central to their point.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 11:54 PM
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Be the change you want to see in the world. A.k.a. Stop talking you muppet :)
/r/askTRP23/02/16 06:48 PM
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I don't have a defence of my position besides "beta is subjective So what value do you add to any debate if you're not even prepared to inspect and analyze your own ideas?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 05:52 PM
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Is that meant to be edgy and dismissive? Or do you just have nothing to contribute?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 03:57 PM
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Whoosh.....
/r/MarriedRedPill23/02/16 03:55 PM
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Once an alcoholic... I was an alcoholic before, too. no longer. Also took lots of drugs, although you could argue I wasn't an addict. No longer. I can do basic math so I have never had a gambling problem though.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 09:06 AM
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No. I cheated in the past, but then I fixed things so I won't again.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 09:04 AM
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the automatic investment from being married to a woman who fucks other men makes it beta That's not a defence of your position, merely a restatement of it. Reasoning, boy, if you haven't got it, you got nothing. Define your terms, apply and justify your value judgments, prove they apply here. it's pejorative in the sense that I wouldn't "stoop that low" Jesus, you are a passive aggressive little snot, aren't you? that shows how normal it is for you No, it doesn't, in fact it was very abnormal at…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 08:26 AM
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Post needs a TL;DR: Don't fucking talk. Just don't. DO.
/r/MarriedRedPill23/02/16 08:01 AM
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OK, defend your case then. Why am I "beta"? Before you weasel out of this, your use of the term is clearly pejorative, so before you try the whole "I mean no judgement" schtick, imma call bs on that up front. And I do say "it's just sex". I even say "sex isn't special, it's just animals rubbing their sensitive bits together because biology". I say "we should have as much and as varied sex as we can, purely because it's fun". So why again are you not saying I'm rationalizing? My wife getting fuck…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 07:57 AM
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Well, I for one, am not Devo.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 07:44 AM
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we have culture Would you not say that bonobos have culture? Or a pride of lions? How do you define culture?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 07:42 AM
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Please tell me this is a pisstake. I don't think the planet's big enough for me to be far enough away from this woman. Repulsive does not do it justice...
/r/MGTOW23/02/16 07:27 AM
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So you were convinced about how beta I am, and what I'm rationalizing, but now you're backing away from that and have no substance to your view? But you want to know all about my sex life regardless?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 10:00 PM
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There would have been a point where it was utterly unthinkable, as it would have been for me to fuck anyone else. What in the poly sub makes you so sure of yourself?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 06:14 AM
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Is there a point to these questions? How would you know what some men rationalize?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 05:19 AM
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No, I respond like that to passive-aggressive solipsists who presume to know anything about my "rationalizing". And, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 04:29 AM
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Goodness me, how could I have been so wrong all my life? I'll change my errant beta ways immediately. /s Buddy, I couldn't give a fuck about your opinion on the matter if I devoted a week to trying. Not that I'm going to. But suffice it to say that, if you could articulate your supposedly RP view on why I should bother to monogamously mate guard without invoking some form of primitive evo logic (muh instincts!) that honestly just doesn't apply to me anymore, I'd be amazed. invest in a woman Hint…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 04:20 AM
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Why did you marry your wife if you're not invested? I was, once, a long time ago. And I kinda still am, just not in the twoo wuv socially acceptable way. Assuming things will stay the same as they once were is the greatest folly people fall into in relationships. Open marriage. I've "come out" as non-monogamous, because being authentic is more important to me these days than being conventional. And it's just sex, yo, however much people lose their shit over it. The relationship still has value t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 10:32 PM
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If he did not communicate Ah, missed that in your earlier post. In which case yes, although men are frequently demonized and called abusive for applying physical appearance standards overtly. I'll track down the OKC data when I get a chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 10:22 PM
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I cbf if my wife fucks other men. I fuck other women, and I'm just not that invested that im gonna mate guard. I've done my DNA duty and propagated my genes, life is about fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 07:33 PM
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If he applies expectations such as, don't gain 50 lbs and then she fails to live up to that expectation he has to share some blame if he's now upset with her. Why does he have a share in the blame for her actions? She did it, she's responsible for the consequences. I'll track down that online dating data. The idea of women messaging (first) many men at all, let alone those "not so good", is... counterintuitive.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 06:54 PM
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I don't think women will actually trade sex for such a thing so when it came time to "pay" she won't really want to. As many men find out, it seems. But yeah, 100% agree, it's a really dumb strategy. Sounds like covert threats. Can be, also could just be having standards. The (RP) truth is, many women will behave in certain ways once they get the commitment they're after. These extend to withholding sex, being bitchy/shit testing continually, letting themselves go etc. Most relationships lumber …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 09:04 AM
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What is "choreplay"? Doing household chores in the hope of getting sex (as opposed to, say, being a fucking grown-up and doing your share of the work in running a house). What men do when they're told "I'd be more in the mood if you washed the dishes more often". sulking to get your way which is what I see "dread game" Sulking is in no way dread game. Dread happens when the woman fears losing the man, because he has better options than her, so she has to lift her performance to retain him, and n…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 05:46 AM
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they are shamed and threatened Shame and threats are not harm. Shame is meaningless unless you accept it, and threats are nothing unless followed through. And you can always leave so the threats are unable to be followed through.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 04:29 AM
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You could at least be renting your own place though I don't know a single person I graduated with that owns their own home Renting <> owning.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 03:48 AM
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a woman should treat her husband like man not a child Fair call. The husband should act like a man, not a child, too. The woman you described is childish. Sounds like she's on the train to splits-ville. Yeah, you're right. But this is really incredibly common - as a mode of dysfunction, anyway. You are correct when you say: here are lots of couples that remain interested in each other for a long time and don't end up in this situation But here's the thing: I hear this story really often from my …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/16 05:37 AM
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I agreed with it. No, you actually didn't, you deflected past it by saying it's "not about using support to build desire". you keep trying for a "got cha" moment and it's not working for you I'm not actually, I'm just looking for a straight answer. You think you agreed with my point, but from my PoV you dodged around it a lot. Sorta got there in the end though, so let me extend one further question. First, a recap of our typical scenario: Couple in failing relationship, db He wants sex, she's no…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 09:18 PM
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It's your response that doesn't really follow: All along I've been saying that having to support a no-longer-attractive (e.g. emotionally needy) person back to their former glory is not going to work other than by destroying desire even further, as it is mothering behavior, and women don't want to fuck people that they have to mother. Thus isn't controversial and it's quite commonly admitted to as being unattractive by women themselves. It's hilarious watching you dance on the head of a pin tryi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 04:59 AM
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My question isn't a "should" question, it's about what actually happens in the real world. Which is desire gets destroyed by this.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 02:34 AM
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And yet, people do it. Source: I am one. You're not going to try tell me that not only am I immoral, I'm incapable of love, now are you? Do you really think that having to be supportive of a needy partner will build sexual attraction for them? This is the question you didn't answer. Yes, she should be supportive if he needs it, as should he in reverse. But for almost all women, this level of mothering is a total desire killer. Not so for most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 01:44 AM
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You see, I'm just more inclusive. There are people I love and people I fuck (and people I do other stuff with) and they are overlapping but different sets. Some I love and would never even think about fucking, others I fuck and love, some well, mostly I care about them, although I've fucked people I didn't even know the name of and will never see again, so you get the picture. To me, they're just different things. Love's grand though, I'm all for it. It's "in love" that's a crock of shit. "In lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 12:06 AM
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Love doesn't really have a lot to do with this if you ask me. You can love someone and not want to bone them. And "in love" is just silly chemistry that wears off. Do you really think that having to be supportive of a needy partner will build sexual attraction for them? Or, more to the point, not kill any residual attraction stone dead? Mothering is just not conducive to desire. Because if you do, I'd have to say that is some master level of delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 09:29 PM
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Non-monogamous, don't care about n-count, like sluts, like genuinely independent woman, (however scarce they are) not looking for a unicorn to LTR up.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 08:58 PM
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I suspect it's a semantic issue. Like I say, im straight, but would fond someone saying homosexuality is "immoral" to be bigoted. There's a big difference between "it's not for me" and "it's wrong". Back to topic though: In a db, where she isn't putting out and he wants sex, it's usually (not always) attraction. That's not only looks, it's often mental or emotional too, as you point out. Often he is being unattractive - which is what RP advises against - say by being needy, indecisive, emotional…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 08:46 PM
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Being a fat, lazy, victim. Take some goddamn responsibility for your own life...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 07:40 PM
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I agree, PPD is much more useful than TRP, for me anyway. But then I like disagreement and debate. TRP serves its purpose though.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 07:37 PM
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but I get the general sense that the most vocal RP advocates don't take kindly to men rolling their own version at all I'm a very unorthodox redpiller and don't experience what you describe. RP is all about taking the core insights and (you) making them work for you. Nobody is selling anything, and nobody is going to figure out for you how to do this stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 07:12 PM
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My moral judgement doesn't make be a bigot Bigot is a harsh word, I'll give you that, but the dictionary ain't too far away from you: "Bigotry: In English the word "bigot" refers to a person whose habitual state of mind includes an obstinate, irrational, or unfair intolerance of ideas, opinions, ethnicities, or beliefs that differ from their own, and intolerance of the people who hold them. Intolerance: unwillingness to *accept& views, beliefs, or behaviour that differ from one's own." It's the …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 05:45 PM
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immoral Pretty strong wording there, you may want to work on that if you don't want to appear to be an intolerant bigot. As a matter of interest, why "immoral"? Are you religious? Why do people divorce so easily? Hang about, you were the one saying he should end the relationship if she won't fuck him anymore, and he still wants sex (so therefore, with someone else). And that she shouldn't have to force herself to fuck him (which would be part of that "love verb" stuff, I'd think). Can't have it …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 09:07 AM
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So many of my buddies' partners do nothing besides show up. To he fair, quite a few of them don't do anything to deserve any different.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 05:49 AM
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I live to serve.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 04:39 AM
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Pretty sure I said that No, I'm pretty sure you told me my relationship choices are immoral. So can I interpret your answer to my question as being she needs to move heaven and earth to fix the relationship when she is no longer attracted? In which case, why do you think so few women do this? I don't care about n-count, btw.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 04:29 AM
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The question was whether she should be accountable for terminating the relationship when she realises that she's no longer attracted to him. Your answer might be good advice, but it's not a response to that question. I know you oppose anything but monogamy. Why should I give a shit about that? It would be interesting if you could express your reasons for this, but obviously it's just irrational. That's fairly typical, so don't feel too bad. I've never found a staunchly "mono only" person who had…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 02:29 AM
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And, it's a workable strategy to address power imbalances in relationships, obviously.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/16 10:40 PM
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Easy. It's too common, his fault, and she should be honest about her lack of attraction and dump him. Boy needs a wake up call - he's a lazy loser.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/16 09:32 PM
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If a woman doesn't wait for sex, a man won't LTR her. I think this is a myth,and there's a lot more nuance to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/16 09:10 PM
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Womens overall power over their partners would decrease. As also happens in one variant of the RP prescription, where not valuing sex with one particular person ("you don't want to fuck me? No problem, I know others will") leads to an innate increase in male power. Thus it's seen as "misogynistic" by those that want to preserve the female interest :)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/16 09:08 PM
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But a useful discussion is someone saying why they believe something. That you hold a view is unremarkable, but if you have a good explanation for it, that could be interesting. Truth is not a popularity contest. I wouldn't call it ethical at all. Why? Plenty of ethical non-monogamists would vehemently disagree. Your squickiness does not constitute objective reality. Nice dodging of the question about her responsibility to end things if she's no longer attracted, btw :)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/16 08:25 PM
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You're not really saying anything there except "it's squicky and I don't like it". It's still an ethical option, if a couple doesn't want to fuck each other but feels they have to stay together for the kids or some such bs. If my partner stopped fucking me, we'd be open faster than the legs at the local brothel. Except for the fact that we already are, of course. I agree that there are better options than cheating though. Here's a question for you: If he wants to go elsewhere, then sure, it's in…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/16 06:45 PM
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Before that. /u/c_in_macn asked what the point of a monogamous relationship was, in response to a comment of yours that had nothing to do with monogamy. That comment allowed for non-mono relationships ("him seeking sex elsewhere"), and said monogamous relationships without sex make no sense (which is usually true). You then grabbed the mono aspect and affirmed a "mono-only" position, saying that only after ending the relationship could other sex be sought (not true). My comment was in support of…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/16 06:02 AM
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I can kinda see his point. I can get enough sex for my needs but I'm old enough for that to be women of a certain age only, and they do bring their own unique issues. For a small amount of cash I could get with a hot younger girl who wouldn't normally give me the time of day, no matter how much I improve myself. Sure it's fake and transactional but who cares? But it's not that appealing and I don't quite see the value yet. It might be a pleasant diversion, and a ready source of variety. But it's…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/16 05:17 AM
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Nope, he's an assclown. Pretty much exactly the opposite of people I admire.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/16 05:04 AM
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Correction then, it's "usually" his fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/16 12:01 AM
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Men and women have different value systems.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 11:16 PM
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It's the man's fault, got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 11:10 PM
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Fucked if I know, but then I'm not a fan. What makes monogamy the only decent option? Plenty of decent non-mono folks out there, in fact their ethics and communication are generally better imho.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 10:54 PM
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The fault, in my opinion, is that our society teaches/urges people to get married for the wrong reasons. So many people get married too young to people they don't really want to be with in every way for the rest of their life. I agree with this. I blame the romance industry. I think people should hold off on getting married until they truly know themselves A problem with that which may not be visible to the reddit demographic: people change. The self that I truly knew when I was young does not e…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 09:22 AM
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This is why I think monogamy is a bad idea, and why punitive divorce laws are plain evil. If you both stop wanting to fuck each other and are both cool with that, no worries. But 99% of the time, one or the other party (and it does go both ways) is dissatisfied, and people should be able to walk away without undue financial trauma. The issue is really that modern monogamous marriage is basically a machine for making dissatisfaction and unhappiness (if you don't believe me, wait, you'll probably …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 08:40 AM
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Not the only option, just sayin'.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 08:20 AM
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No human can ever be fully trusted.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/16 09:47 AM
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Right, finally found the time to read that wall o'text and respond. Some brief responses: many of the links on your summary TBP page are dead. All the "RP kills relationships" shtick does not show women in the worst possible way. Nor can any sensible conclusions be drawn from it. Some of those, the relationship was doomed already, some were young noobs being overzealous in applying RP ideas with no subtlety, and getting the consequences. yes, Applying RP ideas without having a fucking clue can b…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/16 06:19 AM
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If those were the only choices, crazy girl. But they're not.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/16 05:07 AM
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I'm on mobile so technology limited, but anyway I'm not falling for that. It's your assertion, that RP shows women in the worst possible way - you prove it. Not that some RPs sometimes say nasty things, but that it's a core doctrine to be as negative as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/16 07:43 PM
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Perhaps it feels like that to you, but that actually isn't true.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/16 06:37 PM
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The question was about dating advice for men. Most men aren't pursuing nice guys. Also, your response makes no sense. Nice guys don't have pussies
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/16 05:34 PM
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they consider women evil if they want control over themselves I certainly don't think this, and I'm red (enough). I'm in favor of anyone improving themselves, in fact I think it;s a damn fine idea. I just think it's less common in women than it should be. What makes you think this is red doctrine?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/16 09:25 AM
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Well you're right about half if that: Most things are a test, one way ir another. But the trick is to only care about the tests that matter. Must don't, so stressing about them is dumb. Stop allowing yourself to say "I don't know" as an answer to important questions. Figure it out, fix it, or figure out it's unimportant and drop it. And you will be as good as you make yourself. Get busy.
/r/askTRP14/02/16 08:26 AM
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Yes except women are expected to hold down the same job that you do, Not really, there's still quite a big gender imbalance in senior roles, and the expectation to fix that is coming from other women, not men. I've worked in mixed teams of equivalent roles, and the women are treated more leniently, certainly by male bosses (often overtly). look amazing while doing that Everyone should look good. Attractive people do better, generally. You think there are no consequences for men who don't dress w…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/16 07:55 AM
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Well, yeah, they do have to look decent and put some effort in. But looks aren't everything, and don't last. The societal pressure for women to look good is because not much else is expected of them. All the "body positive" bullshit is from women who can't even be assed to get the basics right, and want a free pass for being fat as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/16 07:25 AM
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I think there's another essential RP element to add to that: Women today don't expect to have to be awesome themselves, and think they are wonderful just for having a pussy. Don't put up with that shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/16 05:19 AM
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Fucking hell, US$300 for a half hour blowie is a bit steep. Here in our antipodean paradise that'd buy you 2-3 hours of full service, depending on the age/hotness factor. A quick car blowie shouldn't cost more than about $60. It's fully legal here though.
/r/TheRedPill13/02/16 10:22 PM
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it's pretty easy to make up your own interpretation of what someone said when the answer they've given is undesirable to you. Not for people with any sense of integrity. But aside from that, equally true of both the hypothetical female and male in this story. there's not really anyone to confirm either way, or to cry out to for help. So be discerning about what situations you put yourself into. Don't be alone with people who are given to using physical violence to get sex, unless that's your thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/16 07:06 PM
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ignoring her nos is the boat, it makes it harder to get away. How so? If she says no unambiguously, clearly, with no space left for confusion, no ongoing physical interest, then any further action from the man is unacceptable. She has that option at any point, unless there is the real, direct threat of physical violence, which is of course unacceptable. Physical aggression to get sex is a loser move. The vast majority of men are not rapists, and would not countenance physical violence to get sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/16 08:11 AM
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The uncomfortable guy on the left, right? Because the guy on the right is an asshole.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/16 06:59 AM
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So you want to carry on doing what obviously doesn't work, because your dad wants you to? smh
/r/askTRP13/02/16 03:38 AM
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If she says yes the final time, and there is no direct threat of violence that compels her to do so - then it's not sexual assault, just her choice to give in to the whiny bitch tactics from the man. She can always say no, if she really means it, in the absence of physical force. In case people misunderstand me, I don't endorse being a whiny bitch like this, and I certainly don't endorse physical violence to get sex. If a girl I'm with says no, that's absolutely fine, I'll go find someone who wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/16 03:35 AM
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What I thought, pretty much. She's, um, a bit homely. At least she's not obese, I guess. Maybe it's True Love? :\
/r/MGTOW12/02/16 06:26 AM
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Because, I suspect, she's easy enough for him due to her stated low standards. Either that or he's about to find out (after he gets oneitis) that she just fucks guys, except for him.
/r/askTRP12/02/16 06:15 AM
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It's probably more important for her... :P
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/16 05:38 AM
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Don't have the discussion.
/r/askTRP11/02/16 11:49 PM
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Male or female?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 07:44 PM
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As a statement about average women, remember AWALT is a charitable upgrade for 50%. Some are worse, some better. It's a heuristic, a guideline; not a precise, predictive formula. Why do you bloops have such a problem with generalization?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 07:31 PM
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kid Lol, you funny. the boys Which boys? Dr Dre and Snoop? You're asserting the view is: The only value (possible) is the woman's holes and her pretty looks. The reality is: The only value (typically found) is the woman's holes and her pretty looks. Example evidence from a comment in a sidebar linked post, by /u/redpillschool: We aren't denying that women can bring value to the table. We're just denying that merely having a vagina gets you that value. If you want to be valued by us, you'll have …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 06:32 AM
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I deny that it's a universal thing. Nothing is universal. But to deny that male animals are more commonly the pursuer rather than the pursued would take a spectacular level of denial. Why do you think it's mostly males that have peacock feathers, do silly mating dances, make weird patterns on the sea floor, engage in ritual conflict with other males, grow manes, etc? Males typically have to show they are likely good providers, whereas females pretty much have to be there/meet some basic physical…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 06:02 AM
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Reddish male. Ehhh, 5-10?, 1, 1.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 04:41 AM
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You denying that men are the pursuers, and have to do more to stand out?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 09:42 PM
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The only things you can change are within yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 09:30 PM
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No, I mean more than just a job. I mean all the rest of the fucking dancing monkey circus that men have to do and be to be notable. Be interesting, have cool hobbies, achieve bodacious things, be fit and attractive, et-fucking-cetera.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 08:04 PM
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Surely it's none of your fucking business what TRP does?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 07:46 PM
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they should tell them to stop feeling sorry for themselves and start improving their lives by their own means. That happens frequently on the RP subs, probably more frequently than the converse.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 07:43 PM
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The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 06:35 PM
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That's a bit incoherent. You are the person here who "cant fathom that people can treat everyone cordially" - so do you have "hate in your heart"? I don't have to like or agree with male homosexuality it doesn't mean I'll treat a male homosexual worse then some other faceless human. Well done. This is what /u/Apexk9 and I were saying, I believe. Do you agree with male homosexuality?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 06:29 PM
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I said "work fucking hard" not "have a job". Most people have jobs, big deal. Doesn't make them worthy, in itself, whether male or female.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 06:25 PM
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RP just reduces women to the same value basis as men. Men are worthless unless they work fucking hard to be not worthless. It's possible for women to do this too, just uncommon, because they grow up in an environment where they are not continually challenged. Men are not intrinsically worth-ful. Neither are women. However, after the many decades of 'women are wonderful' this may come as quite a shock to some of you, and you might see it as misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 09:51 AM
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And they say only TRPers have an anger phase...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 09:49 AM
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I doubt it. On what basis? I also hold a fairly low view of humans - we're just hairless chimps that think we're fancy pants, yes can confirm atht I too treat them at least cordially, and often well.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 09:48 AM
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That study is pretty worthless unless the value system used to judge comments as positive, negative, or neutral is controlled for.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 11:34 PM
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I disagree. In my experience its more common for men to take accountability for their actions. Not invariant either way, of course. And it's not innate in women, merely commonplace. It's interesting to consider why this is. My experience is relevant if you insist on mounting an "ARPALT/RP is bad" offense.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 10:37 PM
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I don't dislike women, hold them in contempt, or have an ingrained prejudice against them. I am however quite content to see people observe phenomena and construct models to explain them, even if the models are faulty at first, and the phenomena are not flattering to the observed. There are many cases where women appear to avoid accountability and downplay their own agency in a situation. Do you not think it's valid to observe this and model it? If the phenomenon were better understood it could …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 10:17 PM
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What makes an observation that women tend towards avoiding agency and accountability misogynistic?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 09:39 PM
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I have no problem being positive towards people, but respect is more than positivity. Assuming everyone is worthy of respect is an inefficient strategy, because so few are.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 08:18 PM
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I'll repeat my question to the other person who found that: What point is that post making?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 08:17 PM
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What point is that post making?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 08:16 PM
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Damn fine idea. Snip snip!
/r/MGTOW08/02/16 07:05 PM
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most of us wouldn't have an issue with TRP if it wasn't hugely misogynistic What specifically makes it misogynistic to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 06:35 PM
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the harm that TRP does to women What harm is that? The women in my life are happier the more I apply RP principles.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 06:27 PM
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dehumanize and use women and develop toxic, hateful thought patterns Be specific. What do you object to, that is not only found in young angry RP noobs?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 06:24 PM
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You can improve yourself, your mental health, your appearance and start flirting with women without becoming a misogynist and without resorting to abusive and manipulative tricks. This is true, of course, but it's also entirely possible to digest the red pill and come out the other side not an abusive misogynist. I'd suggest that most experienced RPers are not abusive misogynists, in fact. RP serves a valuable purpose informing men who for whatever reason (maybe because they were drowned out in …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 06:22 PM
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Me neither then, because I also don't hate women. Maybe you could find some RPers that do?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 06:15 PM
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Seldom, but way more often.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 04:40 PM
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I haven't seen much evidence that women are often more emotional In my experience women are more concerned with tone, react strongly to topics that make them feel bad/fearful/etc., and often have difficulty weighting the various components of a decision appropriately, placing disproportionate weight on the emotional ones. I see this in men too, just less often. And I very seldom encounter hyper-rational women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 04:26 PM
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Women tend to be more risk averse because testosterone. What's the subtext to this argument?Are you inclined to argue that women are as rational as men because you perceive "emotional" to be a slight? Because if you want the truth, young people are more controlled by their emotions, and older people have better command of these, in general. Age and experience is a more important factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 04:18 PM
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It's not so simplistic. Just because the decision has emotional elements (entertainment) doesn't mean it doesn't have rational ones (can " afford it, how will I get there, what other things do I have to achieve in that time...) And just because there's a risk, doesn't mean it;s irrational. Risks can be calculated.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 04:11 PM
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It's highlighting a problem with the question. But yes, I do think women are more emotional thinkers.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 03:47 PM
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But in the end, you go with your emotions. No, that's false. he'd never sleep with a woman he doesn't want to have kids with Why not? Contraception is a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 03:45 PM
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I know I'm not 100% happy with my partner, and am in fact considering leaving her. However there is a helluva lot more rational thought going into that decision than "going with my emotions".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 03:39 PM
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Violence is not the only available manifestation of emotion. It's also the recourse of the weak, other than when necessary and tightly controlled.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 03:37 PM
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If you need to make a decision that needs to make you happy, you don't logically lay it all out. You go with your emotions, because being happy is also an emotion. Uh, no, I don't. Because happiness arises out of circumstances which are tractable to logical planning and organization, and consequences arise out of "going with your emotions" that also generally need a rational once-over.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 03:35 PM
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I want to show her there's better Only one way to do that: be better. What, did you think you could talk her into it? Unfortunately she thinks "better" is her ex, so ignore her and find someone else who thinks you're better.
/r/askTRP08/02/16 11:40 AM
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Am i fucking doing a terrible mistake right now? Yes. Not in being with her - but in thinking she should love you, andneeding her validation. And by being emotionally out of control. My first reaction to your post title was "So what?". There's more where she came from.
/r/askTRP08/02/16 10:29 AM
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Oh ffs. Dude, you have a bad case of oneitis. There is no way thus will end well for you. Save yourself a lot if drama and cut her out of your life, then learn how to run a relationship without losing your shit. I need a full breakdown. No, you need a kick in the ass, and a slap to the head for being such a dipshit. If you have any regard for yourself, at all, any - walk away, take the short term pain of heartbreak. It will be far better than what will happen if you don't.
/r/askTRP08/02/16 10:13 AM
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I have no problem with any of: sex with no emotional involvement Sex with emotional involvement (varying degrees, even) emotional involvement with no sex And for the other 6.9 billion people out there that I will never fuck, no emotional involvement and no sex. :) Doesn't mean I'd be OK with a life devoid of sex though, because I fucking would not. I'd be OK with a life full of fuckbuddy/hooker sex, although not a life of (only) wanking. I want all the sex, but the emotional stuff, well, I want …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 05:43 AM
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I'm not being melodramatic here, but when my ability to fuck goes away, I will be ready to die. Until then, I'll get what I can. Doesn't mean I also can't do other cool things of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 05:34 AM
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Personally, confidence (I assume you don't mean being a colossal bitch) and direction (I assume you mean focus, drive and achievement - direction on it's own ain't worth shit) are sexy, because frankly, they're unusual female characteristics. All things being equal of course, if you're fat and ugly you've got no chance either way. I'm carefully pursuing a lovely lady who is a) OK looking but fit and lean, and b) intelligent, motivated, and independent. That shit gets my panties all wet, I can te…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 04:34 AM
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He should respect women as much as he now respects himself. Why? Automatically, because they are women, or conditionally, because they have done something worthy of respect?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 04:21 AM
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act like a bigoted shitheel So much strawman in this thread. RP is not about being a bigoted shitheel. If you think it is, you have misunderstood.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 04:20 AM
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not have a moral breakdown and start treating women like shit. RP is not about treating women like shit, it's about not unquestioningly treating them like princesses.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 04:19 AM
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I have heard of hamsters that say "no, we just lay naked together and didn't have sex, honest" though.
/r/askTRP07/02/16 09:38 PM
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there is a massive focus on keeping SMV high so he's all over your tight little ass. Which is not a bad strategy, if you think about it
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/16 09:44 PM
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women actively select for supportive partners An unsubstantiated claim. No wonder you're so confused. Your study really doesn't say what you'd like it to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/16 06:55 AM
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Attractive women have fewer self-esteem issues and generate less shit when they are married? Husbands of attractive women, keen to preserve the high value (attractive) partner they have just obtained, will invest more in providing comfort. This all makes sense at an early stage of the relationship, drawing broader conclusions from this about all relationships is ill-advised. What's your point with this though? Even if newlywed pretty girls get on better with their uglier husbands (and vice versa…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/16 05:50 AM
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How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/16 05:18 AM
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When the redpill claims that male altruism is a violent turn-off for women, what is that based on, besides a general hate jerk? Where is that claim? I'm red, and I'm generally altruistic, within reason. Volunteering at a soup kitchen sounds to me like it falls into the category of "doing cool stuff and being interesting", which is attractive. I volunteer for worthwhile organisations from time to time because I'm not a self-absorbed asshole, not because I want to get laid. Like I say, you're tilt…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/16 03:39 AM
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We both agree that the redpill is ... Nice way to put words in my mouth. And nice sideways slap towards your sisters with "poor impulse control". You funny. But it's intellectually dishonest when dealing with long term relationships overall. There is nothing to support the belief that women are "the oldest teenager in the room" for their entire lives. Au contraire. My own experience is within an LTR, and with some extramural relationships (I'm not monogamous), not picking up damaged sluts with p…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/16 01:42 AM
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You don't make your entire case in the opening arguments. Only if you are insecure. Let's begin with the most important part - the failure of the redpill to explain away the experiences and preferences of many of the women posting here. I'd say the most important thing is your almost total lack of comprehension of what you are arguing against, but whatever. Humans are apparently complicated and highly variable. Therefore 100% accurate predictive systems of human behavior are... unlikely. However…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 11:09 PM
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You observe the women who are into powerful men, take the Crayola out of your nose, and begin with LOL AWALT hypergamy. Then you begin scribbling all over the place with blatant cuckold fantasy - Alpha fucks! Beta bucks! It's not your child! It's only real if she fucks you when she's young! Getting married is a trap! It's all pretty fucking stupid. Well, that is, certainly. Apart from being insufferably snotty, it's unfortunately also somewhat lacking in detail, substantiation, and nuance. Not q…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 10:50 PM
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you're asking the wrong questions and you're not asking them regularly enough Indeed, doesn't make this event uncommon or unlikely though. What I am suggesting is taking two minutes to think everyday, "What do I love about him? What ways does he make my life better? How has he shows me he loves me? What have I learned from him?" Exactly right, a mindful approach to about anything will improve it, relationships definitely so. Although here's a perspective you may not support. I contend that RP ag…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 09:44 PM
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The men in relationships are likely grateful to be with their princess, and may not be a great source of perspective on this. Many people in relationships are mediocre. I agree, men who "work on themselves" are likely to get better partners. Which is what RP is all about.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 06:45 PM
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You're doing alright, Xem.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 10:54 AM
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Please come back and update this once you have slept. I'm interested to hear your substantiated, detailed criticisms.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 10:52 AM
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Non-mediocre women exist, sure, however they are unattainable for most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 10:45 AM
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They are mostly some of the same questions that you face earlier on, but with a "still" inserted. Am I still attracted to you/you to me? Do we *still** have the same attitude towards money, or sex, or ambitions and goals? Sometimes they are new - "I suddenly feel unhappy/mid-life crisisey, and want to do this thing, why are you looking at me like that?" Sometimes these bouts of change are triggered by crushes or other forms of "infidelity". Often people's ability to handle them is diminished by …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/16 06:35 PM
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My wife excels at some things, but she is unquestionably less intelligent than me. She would willingly agree with that sentence btw.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/16 10:30 AM
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What I was responding to what your comment to /u/Plugawy_Nedznik that asked why people don't immediately give up when things get hard. Which I why I flagged that up front in my response. I'm saying that eventually, most relationships get to a point where tough questions are asked, even if the participants have more fortitude than those that give up "immediately". There are "slow burn" issues in many relationships, it's kinda hard to avoid them, as people grow and change. I'm happy you haven't re…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/16 05:48 AM
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Life long love is not an illusion, but it probably means something different to what you think it does. I'm not sure what exactly you mean by romantic, so maybe if you have the time to sketch out what makes something romantic or not, I can reply to that. I've been married for a fucking long time - a lifetime, in some senses. Decades, certainly. It has been both good and bad. Well duh, that's how these things work. I genuinely love my wife, and can't see a reason for that to change. I like her, m…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/16 04:18 AM
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Been with him for 11 years... So I am guessing that is "long enough." Nope. 11 years in to my marriage, I had a optimistic perspective on it too. Took another decade to get some of the real questions answered.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/16 07:44 PM
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my girl Honestly, I don't know what those words mean. She's not "mine", she's "hers". I wouldn't want it any other way.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/16 07:42 PM
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They're not doing "single" right then.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/16 07:39 PM
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You don't meet the one, you make the one. Nice wording. I like the Dan Savage version too: there is no The One, there a 0.67 which we round the fuck up to The One.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/16 07:34 PM
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when you have two people willing to do the same This is the key ingredient. You both have to be prepared to put in the effort, and put real effort in to understanding what the other person wants and needs, whatever that is - then it can work. In my experience people are generally lazier than that, and it's usually pretty one-sided. In fact, to make a generalization (which I will explicitly claim no predictive power from, it's just a phenomenon I've seen more commonly than the converse, YMMV etc.…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/16 07:32 PM
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Thank you for explaining what "marriage is work," really means (or should really mean). I find most of marriage work can be filed under the heading of "putting up with her shit".
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/16 07:17 PM
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I think the key word in this interchange is "immediately". I wouldn't suggest that people cut and run as soon as any adversity arises - both men and women need more spine than that - but if you haven't sat down and had a good hard long look at a relationship and thought about whether to terminate it or not, after considering all of the factors, then you haven't been in a relationship long enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/16 07:14 PM
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The grass is as green as you make it. Relationships take work, work should bring rewards. When it doesn't, or when the rewards are disproportionate to the effort, it's time to stop investing for the sake of it. Personally, I know that I would be quite happy on my own, which is kinda the "worst case" scenario for most people. I don't need a relationship to validate me. I enjoy my relationships at present, and they deliver enough return for my effort, but if that stops being the case, I'll drop th…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/16 07:07 PM
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Perhaps there would be the next relationship, or a period of socially happy singleness... ? Edit: I'm interested to understand the reasoning behind the downvotes here - if a relationship ain't working, the logical thing to do is break it off and pursue another. That way both people can get the happiness they want. Sometimes things don't work out, ya know? This isn't a controversial position, I would have thought. So instead of downvoting (or in addition, I don't care), how about you comment and …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/16 09:45 AM
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The problem with that theory is there is no "the one". And even if there was, in twenty years he/she would have changed beyond compare, as would you - hopefully, because the scenario where this doesn't happen is called stagnation. The big secret of marriage is twofold: 1. people, insanely, define a successful marriage as one that lasts until one or both parties die ffs. If you divorce, it's a "failed marriage" rather than a beautiful relationship that ran it's course, then ended, with the partic…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/16 09:36 AM
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Well you have no excuse!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 07:38 PM
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It's all a lie. Workout, dress better, do dope shit, fake confidence, learn to fuck well, chase those girls you think are out of your reach. And stop being such a goddamned pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 07:03 PM
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I dunno, before I was in my mid-twenties I was a complete fucking idiot. Not too much better in the decade after that, tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 06:52 PM
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Ignore the dark knight below: An engineering degree and a sense of purpose and drive are big turn-ons to some of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 07:07 PM
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Perfect for you. There is no "perfect" for you. There is only "good enough", and that's changeable. If she feels "perfect", you're being duped by your brain chemistry. Falling in love is nature's way of making us fools.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 12:21 PM
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So what makes it more alpha to be in a poly relationship rather than be a successful swinger?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 11:58 AM
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if you really loved a person you'd want them to be sexually fulfilled This happens to be true. unmitigated hedonists with no real sense of love You only get one go around this rock, so you might as well make the best of it. Love (as in "in love") is just chemistry, trivial and easily forgotten. Proper love is readily shared with many people - family, spouses/partners, children, friends... that's one of it's defining characteristics. There is no "special Disney love" that only works with your one…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 11:54 AM
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the perfect woman And there, gentlepersons of PPD, we see the romantic underbelly of TRP laid bare. There is no perfect woman, or perfect man for that matter. Every relationship is a compromise.. If you still believe in fairy tales, you may need some more pills.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 10:26 AM
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Plenty of normal people out there who are not hyper-alpha and get a bit of variety. Swingers, for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 10:20 AM
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Well, one could argue that having kids is the greatest expression of humanity, and I have three who are awesome people and whom I love completely - but I can respect the childfree position completely. I'm willing to at least see if a relationship is what I want. Fair enough, nothing wrong with that, but don't go rationalizing out yer arse about "peak experience" then. :) Particularly as your entire rationale for disliking RP... Good thing I'm an agnostic atheist. It's nothing to do with what you…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 08:07 AM
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I don't see any reason to think I couldn't continue to have them, and have more and higher quality experiences in a fulfilling relationship. You're assuming an intrinsic value to relationships, and discounting the possibility that they might be an obstruction to achieving your greatest level of self-actualization. In my experience, they're more of a mixed bag. But many religions see them as an active obstacle to attaining the highest levels of human experience, and thus prohibit them for holy me…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 07:07 AM
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A lot of assumptions in that mindset... I prefer reality to idealism, thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 02:49 AM
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RP does not allow for me to relax and trust, and as such, it prevents me from reaching this higher state as often as I otherwise might. You are fallaciously assuming that peak experiences are to be had within relationships. Relationships (RP or not) may be obstructions that diminish the quality and frequency of peak experience. And my modified, partial form or RP is exactly what has allowed me to relax. I've never been much good at trusting though - people are just so damned useless at being dep…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 01:11 AM
1

Yeah, those work for me too.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 11:56 AM
10

Sure. Hookers.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 09:53 AM
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Yes, sex declines with age. That isn't the phenomenon under discussion. If it was, then when my sex life declined when I was younger, it would not have recovered.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 06:03 AM
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Now you're just playing a game of semantics. You claim sex declines which is a reaction to declining attraction. I was using them interchangeably. Hang on, you're using sex and attraction interchangeably, yet I'm the one playing semantics? And this comfortable interchange doesn't show a link between sex frequency and attraction, in your mind? Wow. You claimed married men were not having sex No I didn't. In fact I've said it's obvious that married men are having more sex than single men. My origi…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 05:21 AM
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OK, I'll wind back the sarcasm. But what is the problem with having boundaries? If I restate my view as "If you are full of shit, I have less time for you, regardless of your gender" do you agree or disagree?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 04:15 AM
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I meant no offence, I just have a teasing style of humor. You're assuming that I behave like an ass toward everyone. I don't. I generally treat people fairly and openly, until they fuck up enough for me to push them away. How is that being an ass? Like I say, boundaries. Good things. Women generally do have it easier than men, and can get away with more laziness, in the sense that I'm describing. So I approach women understanding that they might do certain things, like I approach, say a learner …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 04:13 AM
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Actually exposure to a diverse range of ideas is good for people, and does tend to moderate them. You should try it. Everyone operates on stereotypes, honey, like it or not. It would be too much work to treat every interaction as handcrafted individualistic perfection. Modelling how young people, or old people, or men, or women, or young men working in certain industries, in certain social contexts, or whatever... will likely behave is just an efficient use of processor power. And sometimes peop…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 03:32 AM
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you seem to latch on to this idea that women are using their sexuality to get something out of you. If you stop assuming that (because unlike what RP would have you think, it's far from true), It's a marketplace. I want something from them, they want something from me. We trade. I just know more about how the market works than I did years ago. It's all good. it's easier to see why thinking things like "you're full of shit, I have less time for you whether you have a pussy or not" is pretty disgu…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 02:55 AM
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Withdrawing affection when you're in a loving relationship is a form of narcissistic abuse. So, in your world, someone in a relationship with me is entitled to my affection no matter what? Does that go both ways? Say I cheat, is my partner not entitled to withdraw her affection from me if she finds out? The dehumanizing aspect is the dismissiveness and name calling. I'm dismissive of all humans, including me, because we think we're something special. I don't know how you possibly justify using t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 02:51 AM
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I'm confused how you can marry the idea of posting something that belittles and dehumanizes women--calling most of them lazy, princesses.. Saying it's ok to withdraw affection and isolate them if she behaves in a way that you determine warrants that--with the idea that "I haven't seen RP men drive to stop women". How am I "dehumanizing" someone by calling them a lazy princess? Many humans are lazy. Many women are taught that they are special princesses that deserve affection, validation, and muc…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 09:43 PM
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So three people are not understanding your position and your response is we are the ones being "incomprehensible." I'm not responsible for your ability to understand
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 09:39 PM
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Your original post said nothing about declining attraction Nor does this comment. The sex declines. Yes, age is a factor, of course it is, just like married people getting more sex than single people is a structural factor. Marital satisfaction is also a major factor. Therefore I posted stats on marital sexual frequency. Ah, no, you posted a popsci summary saying single people get laid less often (although quality vs quantity might be a factor here). If you want to talk about declining marital s…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 09:25 PM
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See, we're not all monsters.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 11:15 AM
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OK, comprehension time. I don't have access to the journal the full data from your study was published in, but the popsci report you linked says that 18-24 year old men have more sex when married than single. Well fucking duh. Married people mostly have more sex than single people, no need to hunt pussy is a benefit of monogamy (probably the only one). But, apart from the fact that 18-24 is too young for smart people to marry, it's not the statistic we're discussing. We're talking about the decl…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 11:13 AM
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Redpill are individualist to themselves. Quite a lot of RP thinking is accepting the reality of life as a (disposable/undervalued) man, and making yourself succeed despite this. RP encourages men to pursue worthy goals of their own making, and to own their shit. In that sense, yes, they are individuals. But nobody claims to be a special snowflake. When it comes to women, if a woman believes in following her self interest she's evil Nope. If she follows her self-interest at the expense of innocen…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 10:11 AM
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You're acting like one is solid evidence and the other is crap, when they are both self reported and we have no possible way to factually validate either. I have at no point claimed that either is solid evidence, in fact I've baldly stated that self-reported stats on this phenomenon are subject to bias, and that almost all stats on the topic are self-reported. But in the absence of solid evidence, some abstract "how many times did you fuck last year" questionnaire is *worse( than a set of narrat…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 09:54 AM
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Clean your glasses. RP doesn't say what you think it does.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 09:46 AM
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So many strawmen...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 09:10 AM
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RP that says men are individuals but women can't be? Where exactly does RP say this?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 09:05 AM
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You disagree? Yes: " I don't only hang around unhappy people". Then she disagreed that she liked the sort of behavior that you attribute your success with women to. You immediately dismissed that without any basis, basically calling her a liar. Actually, I asserted that declining sex for Beta Billy who gets settled for is commonplace. /u/appencapn claimed that it was a myth, but escalated my claim to be "most marriages end dead bedroom" - which I had never asserted to start with. I countered wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 06:23 AM
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No, a count, based on actual record keeping, would be more valid. My point is it's easy to confuse what you feel should be happening with what actually is happening, when it comes to emotionally charged topics like sex. How often did you drink last year, and how many standard drinks did you have on average per week? (Don't actually have to answer that). Similar question, awful degree of "well I'll just exclude that time I had a zillion beers at a party because I don;t usually, then I'm sure I do…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 06:01 AM
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Post up the source then, so we can have a look at whether the interpretation is warranted. And then we can google up some equivalently prestigious, but contradictory studies, and all have fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 05:55 AM
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It means: you're describing a common phenomenon that I find difficult to accept because ideology I have no logical alternative explanation to offer, but won't accept and validate your experience because ideology therefore I'll go to "there must be something wrong with you or your friends" and "dunno, I'm not like that" Standard BP fare.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 04:58 AM
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Yeah, there's a pretty obvious difference between "x% of people (age unspecified) claim to have a sexual experience (often loosely defined, too) at least y times a week, on average, based on recollection" and a bunch of stories, usually with a lot of detail and context, of the form "we fucked like bunnies when we first started going out, but now she says she's never in the mood anymore". Sometimes db stories include a part where he's been counting and knows it's been once in 3 months or whatever…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 04:42 AM
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Totally. The 88% came from a web survey, also not super scientific, which is kinda my point. I'll dig it out and put it here if I find it again.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 03:11 AM
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Self-reported sexual frequency stats are meaningless. Particularly absent any details of age, culture etc. According to two sources, 12% of married people sleep alone, and 88% (26,000+ respondents) think they have a low sex marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 12:20 AM
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No worries. It's not dysfunctional though, it's working pretty much like it should.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 12:16 AM
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If there's one thing I've learned from being in a db, and watching others in a db, is that The Talk does not work. Sometimes fixes a few symptoms on the temporary, but doesn't really fix anything. AWALT vs "literally every woman" has been discussed to death here. RP is one of those "99% of the time, it works all of the time" things. Good enough for me, and lots of other guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 11:19 PM
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Forum users are younger. Younger people tend not to have their shit together. And if they're wallowing in it, they're failing. The opposite of what RP promotes.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 11:14 PM
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No, I'm claiming DB is common and many men are on the sub complaining. And also grumbling into their beer when I'm out for a drink with my mates. And making funnynotfunny jokes about it in media and workplaces etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 11:12 PM
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I don't only hang around unhappy people, they're just really common. But then I don't think relationships work like we think they do anyway. Long term monogamy and "finding The One soulmate" is total bs. They probably love that behavior I don't. Ah, gotta love the special snowflake defence. You're totally missing my point though. The typical db man is romancing his wife and doing all the choreplay he can, to no effect. Things work better when he stops that shit, generally. And yes I'm aware that…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 09:10 PM
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More typically, decent guy tries all the things he's "supposed to" do but isn't attractive to women. Maybe gets his heart broken by someone who isn't actually in the wrong, just behaving in ways that don't match his model. Finds RP, transitions through anger/readjustment phase when he figures out nobody owes him anything, improves himself, enjoys success.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 09:04 PM
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They just stay for the anger and circlejerk of fuck women, they are terrible. That's MGTOW, not RP.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 08:24 PM
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It's not about alpha widowing and staying slutty, it's about attraction. Nor is it a myth, hang around the DB sub and you'll hear it's a common complaint. My mates are endlessly complaining that their wives won't blow them, or aren't interested in anything but vanilla starfish. It's not every relationship, nothing is - but it's common. Why di you think there is a standard joke trope about married guys not getting any? People complain about nice guys thinking they put niceness credits in to get p…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 08:22 PM
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people who are virgins in their 30s; two males and one female. And 4 female virgins who are 22/23 age range, never even dated/kissed, some for religious reason, some just because guys don't find them hot. Logic alert. Some ugly chicks and a couple of losers aren't all that remains if you deduct party life from society.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 07:05 PM
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TRP knows the reality That's kinda the point. I personally don't adopt the RP like about slutty women being bad, but if we continue your story a bit, we find our beta boy turning into a bank, while his reformed slut goes into "nice girls don't do that (anymore)" mode, and he hangs around deadbedrooms wondering what went wrong. RP provides advice to those guys on how to manage that shit too. I mean, if it occurred to women to behave a little better, then this whole mess wouldn't have to work the …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 07:01 PM
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People lose their shit over sex almost more than they lose it about anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 06:52 PM
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Tell her to suck your dick. When she says no go out and find a girl to suck your dick instead All the advice that OP needs. This stuff ain't hard, sometimes.
/r/askTRP28/01/16 01:44 AM
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makes him feel even worse about himself and may paralyse for any further action Then he will fail.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/16 08:56 PM
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Fucking good guys does not need to be conveyed, it's assumed. It's also unlikely.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/16 04:17 AM
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There is no Mr/Mrs Right, only Mr/Mrs Close Enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 11:48 AM
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In what way was my answer not genuine?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 11:46 AM
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Ok then, having thought about this, variety is good: I'd go for being a woman. A spectacularly slutty woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 09:49 AM
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It's a good question, and one I don't think anyone can answer properly, as it's impossible to voluntarily switch genders, of course. Part of me is genuinely content to be male, and I wouldn't change that for anything. But also I do really like sex, and I could get more of that easier as a woman, so maybe that'd be nice. Age is also a factor of course, and looks. Since we're dealing in the impossible, we are talking about being hot and 20-something, right? Because I would not wish to be an old wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 04:49 AM
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Setting goals, working to them even when things get tough, being able to take a degree of hardship in the short term for a payoff in the long term. And not just basic easy goals, ones that really push them. Mostly, they just don't have to.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 01:53 AM
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Not often.
/r/askTRP24/01/16 11:33 PM
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So, not big on individual agency, then?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/16 08:46 PM
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You seem strangely relaxed about this. Say a magistrate hit you with a court order that you couldn't eat unhealthy food without providing 24 hours notice and stipulating exactly what you were going to eat. You'd be cool with that then?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/16 07:25 PM
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Jesus that was hard to watch. If that's the caliber of woman you young American guys have to put up with, I feel for you. Her whole spiel can be summarized in one quote "I don't want to do work".
/r/TheRedPill24/01/16 08:18 AM
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I don't do attachment.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 06:37 PM
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Hardly. I did say that the men needed to qualify themselves as leaders first. God knows most don't. I love the way you were too lazy to come up with a decent counterargument though.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 08:40 AM
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Your previous life sounds exactly like what RP/RPW advocates, and claims is the natural order of things and the way for women to be happy I may be an unorthodox RPer, but I see this a bit differently. I'd love a truly independent, self-assured, capable human female as a partner, and am honest-to-god turned on by intellectual resilience and capability. To me, the RP claim isn't/shouldn't be that submissive women are best, but rather that, given the realities of gender difference (innate, evolved …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 10:21 PM
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/u/full_package has provided a more concise answer than I could have below, so I'll say "wot 'e sed" about the entropy element. I know better than to argue logic against faith though, so I'll wish you well and know your mindset is unalterable. I agree on the bettering the lives of others and alleviating the sufferings of the poor - to an extent: some of the poor can't fucking help themselves in their endless quest to make dumb choices, some lack capacity, some are poor because of the hostile act…
/r/askTRP20/01/16 07:13 PM
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Depends what you mean by "wrong". You're religious, so probably believe in some kind of objective morality judged by an almighty god. So, yeah, uh, whatever he says, dude. S'all good, you do what makes sense to you, I'm honestly in no way judging. But just so you know there's another side of the coin: I'm about the opposite of you. I don't believe in an almighty god; the idea is preposterous to me, utterly ludicrous. Not saying there couldn't be a higher power, just that the popular formulations…
/r/askTRP20/01/16 09:34 AM
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Lucky you. I genuinely see a lot of this, in fact some if my mates have commented to me that my wife doesn't shit talk me to others, unlike their wives. Except for the one guy who treats his wife like a Victorian lord would. Its sometimes cloaked as banter, but the "useless husband" joke usually has a basis in truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 02:27 AM
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Tell him to cut it out, about the same as I now do to anyone now that I've taken off my "women are wonderful" glasses. You do realize you're unusual in dropping people flat for being a little shitty, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 01:17 AM
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Didn't say our hypothetical nice guy us an asshole to men either, just that he doesn't want to fuck them. It's not that he's overtly deceiving anyone and pretending to be something inauthentic, being nice can be a genuine aspiration. So, no advice for him, then? Edit: Oops, mobile, didn't notice you're not the person I was replying to before.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 01:03 AM
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Really? You must hang around with special people. I hear reports of this sort of behavior often from my mates. It's not uncommon at all. "Happy wife, happy life" is a thing for a reason, lots of guys work hard to avoid disapproval.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 01:00 AM
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Ehh, she's actually pretty decent, as humans go.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/16 11:40 PM
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In part, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/16 11:38 PM
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Sure. My wife used to be intermittently snippy about things, and make negative assertions about my character. First, I considered whether she had a point. Where she did, I changed my behavior and stopped deserving it. Where she was just being bitchy, I calmly and firmly told her that I didn't appreciate it and would not tolerate it without consequence in future. She (mostly) stopped, although if I slack off it does tend to come back.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/16 09:48 PM
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Don't mind at all. Stopped tolerating disrespect, got in shape, abandoned my former idealism about egalitarianism and took control of all the stuff that needed to be planned and done, stopped being all hurt and wounded that she wasn't initiating sex and just did so myself (which caused her to, go figure), sorted shit at work, sorted the kids and their need for guidance, spent more time doing interesting things on my own (and things that she is welcome to join in with)... plus a bit of non-asshol…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/16 08:14 PM
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Not angry. Don't hate women. Relationship is better and more fulfilling for both of us since I rebalanced to be less beta. Oh, and I'm not abusive, and the sex fairies are being quite busy too. Myth busted?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/16 06:53 PM
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Where in my entire post (or any of my posts, for that matter) have I ever said “be yourself”? Don't be an "obvious phony" is equivalent to "be yourself". The " character can be used to rhetorically present a phrase as if it was spoken, you know, doesn't have to be a direct quote. Why's "tingle" condescending? I get man-tingles. And people who are victims of their emotional state deserve ridicule, so "fee-fees" does the job fine. genuinely kind guys don’t turn to TRP And you know this how? There …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/16 11:02 AM
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You may have misunderstood my request. I wasn't looking for a critique of the hypothetical AFC and his behavior, but rather what he should do to get laid. Practical solutions and advice for guys who have been raised to think being nice is the way to get love - not a critique of their failings, with no tangible steps for them to take. Yes, he's being nice to the girl because he wants to fuck her. Duh. (Have you heard of testosterone? Makes most men chase pussy, wonderful stuff). Yes nice-guyness …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/16 09:29 AM
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So what's your alternate explanation for the scenario in the post?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/16 05:03 AM
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Male. 1, 2, 5, 6 generally neutral although it depends where the tattoos or piercings are and whether they look to be evidence of poor judgement or not. 3, 4, 7 no.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/16 11:49 PM
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I think he's a bit of a whineypants sometimes, but that comment was good.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/16 07:06 PM
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You know they will die at some point. You know you will feel sad when they do. You can also anticipate that, unless they die together, the survivor will need support. Grieve with grace when it happens, and don't lose your shit to such a degree that you are no help to others that need you. Also, the cup is already broken.
/r/askTRP18/01/16 07:03 PM
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Sure, but I was aiming for "bad behavior but not bad enough to cut them out of your life".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/16 02:46 AM
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Not really sure which part of his thesis you refer to His thesis that women are driven uncontrollably to cheat because of the biological urge to procreate a.k.a. the one with more holes than a colander. I like OP's theory as such, but do not agree completely. The uterus needing seed which would her make stray? Hard to tell: women that do cheat do so for the tingles, the feels. He might be lackluster in bed (after all those years - as initially, when they first met, they had crazy monkey sex....)…
/r/TheRedPill15/01/16 08:48 PM
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Maybe - although again, evidence is a thing - but how does that support OPs thesis about women today?
/r/TheRedPill15/01/16 10:17 AM
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A metaphor is a means of connecting two things not directly related, in order to show they are similar in some way; a use of a word to describe something similar but not the same. In your case, you are (effectively) saying "the uterus is like a brain", or more accurately, like a posited "instinctual" part of the brain that, when it doesn't get what it wants (pregnant), irresistibly drives women to stray. Unfortunately, your post does not make this case convincingly. Evolution doesn't care much a…
/r/TheRedPill15/01/16 08:29 AM
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My problem with your analysis is that the uterus "knows" nothing as it has no capability to. The brain knows. Sure there are deep-seated "instincts" that happen at less-conscious levels of the brain, but the claim that these are not tractable to at least some rational control is bold indeed.
/r/TheRedPill15/01/16 04:40 AM
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Well that'll learn me to make assumptions about age :) I'm just a little older, then. Glad you're both getting what you need and want. Actually, glad we all are...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/16 02:47 AM
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Well yours is the more common perspective, and to be clear in not claiming any objective superiority in the arrangement I have. But I do know I have no desire at all to have someone who is "mine", and that without at least some variety I'd be going mad and blowing up my relationship. Flexibility is what allows this to work for me; it's a feature, not a bug. I've looked in myself for the feelings of jealousy you describe, but I can't find them. I was going to say some of this is probably because …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/16 01:28 AM
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Ah. Well, I'm married (but not exclusive), and honestly CBF if she steps out of the relationship. My reasoning is if she is with me because she wants to be, all is good. If she doesn't want that anymore, all is good too, I'll just go get another if I want to. If she wants to be with me but occasionally go get some variety, all good, that's what I do and I'm no hypocrite. We have a good thing going, it's in both our interests to not fuck it up too much, so we make sure that in the dance of giving…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/16 01:01 AM
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I think your first quote is just saying "we're better", not "we're essentially different". I'll think more on whether this difference in degree justifies regarding human sex as special, and other animal sex not. I get the distinction about N count and how she got there, IF you are looking for a relationship. Because those can be regarded as "special", unlike just sex. But I suppose I treat sex and relationships as quite separate things. I'm fussy about relationships whether they are sexual or no…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/16 12:27 AM
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That's a lot of assumptions. Generalizations in the absence if evidence and urges to control are signs of weakness.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/16 11:22 PM
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Interesting. Baser animals are not all spur of the moment actors, though, and can also plan and anticipate to a degree. We're better at most things, if course, but is it a defining difference? Also, how's overriding our base instincts an advantage related to sex? I can understand it's of benefit for resourcing, not so much for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/16 09:52 PM
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That definition is subjective, so everyone gets to define their own version. Let's say someone is emotionally unstable and regularly over-reacts to minor things, rather than just sorting their shit out. Not a reason to "remove them from your life". Would you not form a particular opinion about them?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/16 09:33 PM
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Thanks for the reply. In what way are we "more than simply an animal"?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/16 09:20 PM
3

And do you treat them differently when they behave badly?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/16 09:05 PM
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Sure, I understand it's a matter of personal preference. I'm just interested in understanding the reasoning behind that preference, even if it's something I think is complete rubbish (like "God will smite me"). The idea of sex being special is almost entirely incomprehensible to me, and to be honest, when I've asked people for their reasoning, I have yet to find anything much other than "just because".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/16 09:03 PM
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No, I just think you're confused between TRP and MGTOW.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/16 08:29 PM
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Why would you not judge people? They are not all of the same quality, you know.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/16 08:28 PM
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I'm of the opinion sex should primarily be shared between people that care about each other more than just to get off Why only that though? Why not "all of the above"? I'm genuinely interested to understand your thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/16 07:21 PM
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Assuming you mean "sex" by "intimacy", what, apart from scarcity, makes it inherently "valuable"?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/16 07:18 PM
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Would you prefer the new RPers didn't overcome their "social impairments"? Should their "aspie brains" just fuck off out of your presence?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/16 07:14 PM
2

So, behave better then.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/16 07:08 PM
1

Your question isn't very meaningful, but my answer is "I'd become a hooker".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/16 05:31 AM
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do their own thing without giving a fuck what others think. That's masculine and that's attractive. My general approach in a nutshell.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/16 06:59 PM
6

I'm waaay on the other side of that male wall, age-wise. I know completely that a middle-aged man like me is not nearly as appealing as a hot young 20-something musclehunk, certainly if you ask females in that cohort. The thing is, when I was 20-something, I was a nerdy geek, and not in the cool Silicon Valley way, more the socially awkward dork archetype. And I was accordingly taken advantage of and treated like shit by my peers, and definitely by women, and later, by employers and even family.…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/16 10:58 AM
7

Another slutty man here. Yay, more for me :)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/16 05:19 AM
1

I think you're fixating on your strawman. RP, certainly in the LTR edition, has a lot of emphasis on providing comfort in the appropriate measure.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 03:47 AM
2

The male investment level is much lower. Doesn't matter if she's crazy if you can get in and out quick enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 06:50 PM
8

Sounds like you have a lot to offer, then, and that you two may may have potential. My advice is to keep up the intellectual interest but also let things get reasonably physical, even if you stop short of sex. That way he's interested and wanting more. Don't string him along for too long though, if sex becomes an issue it could set you up for all sorts of drama. Having sex with someone is a way of expressing trust in them (as well as desire). If you're holding him at arms' length and always vagu…
/r/seduction11/01/16 11:29 AM
5

First, how old are you? This stuff works differently at different ages. Second, what do you bring to a relationship? Everyone has a personality. Third, what is he looking for at this stage of his development? If he's just not looking for a serious thing, you're probably not onto a winner. EDIT: Oh, one other thing. Most guys will have difficulty committing if there's no sex happening. I'm not saying sex is a guaranteed way to get him to commit, and you obviously do run the risk of being used, bu…
/r/seduction11/01/16 09:43 AM
7

Be worth committing to.
/r/seduction11/01/16 09:36 AM
2

They come across as cold, unfeeling, bitter, harsh toward everyone of the opposite sex. Even if they have a good marriage. Suddenly their wife is some kind of 'bitch' who will abscond with the next "high value" male she sees. Really? No, that's just your strawman speaking. My wife is almost 100% unlikely to abscond with the next high value male. She is, however, greatly inclined to misbehave in response to me dropping the ball and not leading properly. When she does so, I act accordingly - perha…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 09:35 AM
5

I don't give a fuck what she "expected", doesn't get her off the hook for what she does. Alcoholics are responsible for their shit too. Adults understand this.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 05:50 PM
7

Humans have agency. Adult humans take responsibility for their actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 09:55 AM
1

No.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 09:19 AM
4

Just in a slightly foppish mood, I guess - but seriously, what do you mean by "love"? Some forms of it I support, some are complete crap.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 08:00 AM
4

Define your terms, sir. What is love?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 07:56 AM
2

When I find a girl I want to have sex with, I want to make sure she loves me first or at least that she thinks she does. I'm more red pill than I'm not, and that statement is something I 100% can't relate to. Actually, no, at one stage, I probably would have vaguely understood it, when I believed in twoo wuv and put women on a pedestal. If I find a girl I want to have sex with, I want to make sure she wants to have sex with me. End of. There are people I love and enjoy the reciprocal love of, to…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 06:30 AM
0

So, liberalization of female sexuality has made prostitution repulsive? It's all the wimminz fault! :)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 08:30 PM
11

other men get (more or less) for free. Where I am, prostitution is legal, widely available, and not badly priced. Possibly even cheaper than dinner, a movie, and a drink or two. Almost definitely cheaper than maintaining a spouse. I haven't gone there myself but tbh I can see the appeal.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 08:28 PM
1

"committing adultery in your heart," Yet another example of the fucked up nature of religion causing people to deny their human nature. That shit is toxic, I can't wait for us to outgrow it as a species.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 10:30 AM
1

She shouldn't be having sex with anyone until she informs the man she is no longer interested in a relationship with him. Man, the Official Disney Story runs deep. So now relationships can't exist unless they're 100% monogamous? Such blindness.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 10:28 AM
1

Cheating is dishonesty, breaking the agreed rules. It's almost nothing to do with sex. You can cheat without sex, and sex without cheating. Sexual relationships don't have to be binary. Sex isn't some magical activity that holds spiritual significance, it's just animals doing what biology says feels good. I fuck other people and I'm married, and I'm not cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 10:22 AM
1

Or you could just define the term correctly: cheating is breaking the agreements that you have (preferably explicitly) set with your partner(s). It's not necessary for it to involve sex, or an idealized white picket fence hetero binary relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 07:17 AM
1

Open.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 06:37 AM
1

Male, reddish, late 40s. Sex drive is higher now than when I was younger, but it's always been high. I'm in way better shape too so that makes sense. Around 5 times a week is about OK, but I'm usually still horny and will masturbate up to double that again, unless more sex is available. Time scheduling is the limitation, not drive.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 06:36 AM
2

Does anyone think love is even possible Define your terms. What do you think "love" is?
/r/TheRedPill07/01/16 06:26 AM
2

Not sure you're right about that. Having a preference for non-sluts, sure, whatever works. Getting "worked up and angry" shows immaturity, particularly about a bunch of plates.
/r/askTRP07/01/16 06:25 AM
2

It's OK to feel shit for a while, and just let the feelings run their course. For a bit. But ultimately you could use this for learning, and ask yourself why it hurts. What did you expect from the relationship? Why? Is it a realistic expectation? Can you do anything to protect yourself in future, without closing yourself to emotional connection with others?
/r/seduction07/01/16 06:12 AM
4

Ah, so be openly sexual and unembarrassed about your intentions. Add in a garnish of OI and you'll find that's good RP advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 05:38 PM
1

Thanks for the reply. As a nonbeliever in what most people think true love is, my M does V a bit. I have someone that I am not "teenager in love" with anymore, but about whom I care a great deal, and will likely end my days with. She seems quite fond of me too, and I suspect she'll stick around too, but if she chose not to, I'd cope fine. I'm not dependent on her, nor she on me. However the idea of her being my everything, intellectually, sexually, companionship-ly, whatever, is... fanciful, I t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 12:41 AM
0

You always have choices. Do you find the idea of being with the same person "forever" to be appealing (assume so, since you were wishing people could stay in love forever), and if so, what do you think this provides you? Why is it a good thing? Do you not fear that you'll just get bored of them in time?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 11:14 PM
0

I really dislike "just because" answers... So hard to distinguish between the unexamined, the obligated, and the genuinely innate.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 10:48 PM
0

Seriously though, what's the appeal? Stuck with the same person for ever...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 10:17 PM
1

Kinda, but I'd say it's less black and white than that. Also men in love are ideally getting lots of sex anyway, so their needs are probably being met anyway. Why would you want people to stay in love forever? You only live once, variety must have some value, surely?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 09:57 PM
1

Not an "unshakable fear", merely a realization.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 08:35 PM
1

Oops meant "realistic" not "pragmatic".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 08:13 PM
1

Which conditions are more pragmatic, the male or the female?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 08:12 PM
3

But "never" is not the right word. Guys who "fall in love" consider the target of their affections to be everything, often for a long while. Those that don't "fall in love", sure, that's a different story.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 08:11 PM
1

Not a problem, unless you think she should approve of the people he has lunch with. But in general, if most women could be driven and logical like most guys are, that'd be fine by me. Attraction is only about 5% behavior anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 07:02 PM
1

Because, when men fall in love, they often do so less conditionally than their female counterparts.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 06:56 PM
2

But they can easily be manipulated.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/16 01:16 AM
1

Yeah, about what they should be to be attractive though. RP does not really try to change the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/16 11:34 PM
1

What "far-reaching negative effects"?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/16 01:38 PM
1

Why? And since when does RP say the rest of the world is wrong? And not say "improve yourself"?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/16 01:23 PM
1

Oops, meant to reply to /u/OfSpock above you. Mobile...bah.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/16 03:25 AM
1

Perhaps. But some people do need it, which is a sufficient justification.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/16 01:10 AM
2

I would ask what is wrong with Muslims but I don't think I really want to know your rationalizations...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/16 11:04 PM
5

Lol, mommy issues. Oh well, I'm glad you understand your preferences. How's this, or this then? OK, she's Portugese, not Brazilian, but still... See, if you ask me, there's not a lot wrong with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/16 09:46 PM
3

What's wrong with dark skin?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/16 08:14 PM
2

What are you on about? Non-euro women are often hot... when they're young, at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/16 10:36 AM
2

He isn't asking me to not drink, he just asks me to not get very drunk to the point of having to get carried by people. Why do you need asking to do this? What does getting black out drunk give you that is of value to you?
/r/askTRP01/01/16 10:17 PM
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he is just not OK with me getting very drunk to the point of not knowing where I am Sounds reasonable to me. In fact, I'd suggest it should sound reasonable to you, too. A few drinks is fine, but if it's affecting your ability to adult? Yeah, not so much.
/r/askTRP01/01/16 10:12 PM
1

Lol even before I had heard of the red pill, I knew relationships are a power struggle.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/16 07:12 AM
2

even friendly talking probably has a mild dread game effect Your relationship sounds toxic and needy. Why the fuck would anyone want to be with someone who felt anything like dread if their partner just spoke to a person in a friendly manner?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 11:51 PM
3

Leaving aside the, ahem, credibility of that source, the link does not provide credibility to your claim of 30,000 years of monogamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 08:23 PM
0

Citation needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 06:12 PM
12

You're assuming, incorrectly, that marriage is the only way to get sex and a social life. That's patently untrue.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 10:26 AM
1

Neither side wants the other to know how/what they are really thinking sexually Why do you think this is?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/15 12:15 PM
16

My family very clearly taught me that men were required to earn the good graces of women. Many of my bros still only do things their wives approve of. Women are not required to do the equivalent, in fact they can be openly disrespectful if the entire male gender and people laugh about it. Men don't get to act so badly, not that anyone should, but anyway. I'll grant you the wording is a bit ambiguous but I expected to be in service of her, and she of me; that we'd both be open to each other's vie…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 06:01 AM
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Not quite, in fact almost the opposite. I'd spent my life living up to the ideal I'd been presented as what women want - a hard working, slightly submissive, good provider whose priority was his princess, and who strove for her acceptance and good graces. I'd been sold the idea of a relationship as an equal partnership , so I lived to that ideal. Only when it didn't work and I realized that it's a manifestly bad idea, and stopped running around in service of anyone, did things turn around. I did…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 05:42 AM
8

I don't hang around MRP much, although I'm both M and RP (close enough anyway), yet I'm am not, and never have been, a fat slob who can't pick up his clothing. I do more than half the chores, cook often, do washing, iron, plus almost all the yard work, because I am an adult male. I've had a good career and have earned/provided very well, and even when I've been out of formal work, I've made sure to bring in an income. In short, I was the archetypal good boy, did all the things a good boy should.…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 03:57 AM
0

Eventually, yes. But I have partners where things work better with blue pills, and others where it just isn't required. Decline is not an on/off switch, and raw desire can get the blood pumping nicely.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/15 04:19 AM
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5 - 6 - 4 - 4 - 5 - 4 Need body shots to draw any further conclusions.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/15 03:11 AM
2

Some of my favorite people are sluts. People can be slutty because they are damaged, but not necessarily so, I know cases in both camps. I think sex should be something people are confident and comfortable with, and am concerned when they "act out sexually" because of other issues, as that implies an unhealthy attitude to sex. But if their mental state is good, ain't nothin' wrong with fuckin'.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/15 12:52 AM
1

Of course, but so does BP.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 11:45 PM
10

Ugly doesn't do it justice. Nor hideous. We're going to need a whole new vocabulary to describe her accurately.
/r/TheRedPill24/12/15 10:15 PM
5

Aren't you just saying "if yer missus won't shag you, it's your fault for not being attractive" then? The male bee (or other "courtly" animal) gets to act in the most species-appropriate way to signal high "SMV". But the female gets to choose, it seems to me, far more often than otherwise. Even rapey species also have a degree of value signalling.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 02:52 AM
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I think you're over-literal in your interpretation. The male doesn't have to be passively selected for Briffault to be substantively right. Even insects where the lot of the male is pretty grim (say, bees) don't all reproduce, and must complete for the favor of the queen. In general, most females have veto rights over prospective mates, and therefore exercise control of the process. (I'm agreeing the wording of the law is excessively prescriptive, though). In fact, so far, I'd summarize your poi…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 12:25 AM
2

I've got $2 that says the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 07:55 PM
3

Absolutely. Or easier, go get a hooker. Both of which TRP does not endorse or advocate. Haters gonna hate and lie, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 07:54 PM
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I don't get your point about males choosing the unsuccessful strategy if Briffault is right. Can you explain your thinking there a bit more? I fear you're being a bit literal and here. The existence of male rape/domination doesn't completely invalidate the concept of female sexual selection. Although I've always thought Briffault's was a bit overstated for my tastes, so maybe I'm sorta agreeing here. Females don't determine all conditions of the association, but they are the ones that need to be…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 07:06 PM
1

This is what a man does. Why did you make the promise in the first place, though? I'm happy to be a man of my word. It's just that my word does not extend to monogamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 09:20 PM
2

Relevant post for me, as I'm thinking things are going off the tracks after having been quite good for a while. We've had a small number of occasions where I've had to correct disrespect recently. I'm just planning through what approach is best at the moment. I do have to wonder, why bother?
/r/MarriedRedPill16/12/15 05:31 PM
1

OK. secretly have sex with a gorgeous celebrity of your choice and no one will ever find out or have everyone think you had sex with said gorgeous celebrity even though you didn’t and never will? Have the sex. have sex (a threesome) with two 7s or have sex with one 10? The 10. be great at oral and okay at sex or great at sex but bad at oral? Oral is sex, but I assume you mean penetrative. Great at sex. end a first date with an 11/10 kiss or end a first date with 6/10 sex? The kiss, it's just a f…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/15 07:01 AM
1

I'm way past my prime, which I totally wasted, if I'm honest. It's all downhill from here, and I know, and accept that. Still, a couple of weeks ago I was shagging an attractive woman about 10 years younger than me. Was she "post-wall" to the young bucks, who would turn their noses up at her? No doubt, they'd probably see her as elderly. I couldn't give a shit. I was going to say I know I can't pull 20-somethings anymore but that's not quite true, as I've come across one or two who were keen. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/15 06:39 AM
1

It's about being as good as I can be, as good as I want to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/15 06:30 AM
3

The Mighty God Testosterone demands it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/15 10:16 AM
2

Prossies are certainty cheaper than beta-style courtships where the hapless dude buys endless meals and favors in the forlorn hope of getting some pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/15 09:25 AM
0

Well, you do you mate, I have enough dependents in my kids. Bedroom dominance is usually an option, most women dig it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/15 09:42 PM
4

Leaving aside attitude and conversational elements and going for the physical only... my ideal is quite different to yours, OP. Pluses: a tight, athletic body (visible abs make me wet), , nice face, more-than-a-handful-sized tits but not big bazingas, lean muscles, e.g. calves. Minuses: any kind of fat, big/curvy ass, huge tits, bad breath. DGAFs: Hair, tatts, height or leg length unless extreme or disproportionate. Some preference for shorter women. Not sure anyone can draw any useful conclusio…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/15 08:44 AM
2

I think the main problem there is the "looking down her nose" part, and possibly the "hyper-" part, if that means she's going to have no time for the relationship. Disapproval is not compatible with basic respect, and with no respect, the relationship would fail. But having someone who has goals and plans, and is interesting? Why not? Choosing between a sweet, feminine, hopeless "little woman" and someone who is interesting and motivated to do fun and useful stuff, there's just no contest. The i…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/15 08:05 AM
0

I have attempted to expand on my thesis in the comment above. It's a generalization, but makes sense from where I am, anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/15 06:31 AM
1

Think in terms of being a good dad, * being* a faithful, loving husband, being a good provider, being a nice/kind/considerate person vs. doing something for her, giving her something nice, taking her on an exciting date et cetera. The second set of behaviors are the kind of things that men do to win over the object of their affections, the first are continuous states they settle in to (perhaps only in their own minds) after they have won her over. Love is an broadly ambiguous term with elements …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/15 06:30 AM
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I don't hate women, I'm quite fond of them really. But I'd guarantee that your average tumblr feminist would see me as a total misogynist.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/15 11:30 PM
1

Not good what they do, for what they are. There should be greater congruency here but that's a bigger topic. As to your question, it's possible I guess, just not that likely. The real question is, is that what women want?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/15 11:00 PM
0

Oh, I've got them to the gym. But I still have the scars from the chocolate attempt...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/15 08:59 PM
0

Accept reality, be neither happy nor unhappy about it. 'Tis what it is...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/15 08:58 PM
3

I'm pretty certain that most men are not like me. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/15 08:57 PM
0

Fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/15 08:56 PM
0

Have done in the past, no need though really, so I don't anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/15 08:12 PM
1

Leading is all well and good but the acting out and sulking that happens when you "lead" them away from chocolate isn't worth the effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/15 08:06 PM
3

my boyfriend is more attracted to me when I have goals set and I am achieving things. I get that completely. The opposite also applies, of course. Being a goalless bimbo leech is a surefire attraction killer for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/15 07:29 PM
2

I am one of those mythical redpillers who find genuine female achievement and a "success attitude" to be a huge turn on. (Assuming looks aren't a compensating huge turn off). I actively seek this out. You'd be shocked at how seldom I come across even the faintest echo of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/15 07:26 PM
0

I tend not to invoke biotruths in response to much of anything, but men have always been the chasers, always will. You aren't going to reverse millennia of social and physical evolution. It's no good being right (ultimately, you are) and unhappy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/15 07:20 PM
1

Your comment is a brilliant example of the female-only world view. I don't think you have even gained a glimpse of understanding of what most men think of as respect. And the "five love languages" is total and utter bollocks if you ask me. I've never met a person so simplistic as to follow that model in any meaningful sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/15 07:01 PM
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I'll pick this up since Serp isn't keen. My sense is that female love, as seen by the male, is more conditional. Men are the strivers, the chasers, the ones putting in the effort to gain female access (if not approval in the case of those not over their mommies yet). Female socialization supports the naturalness of this. When men do something to reduce their attractiveness (all that striving is hard work, we all drop the ball from time to time, also women often crave novelty) women tend to manif…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/15 06:57 PM
2

And 99.7% different cultural experiences from birth.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/15 06:41 PM
1

Serves you right for chasing 4's :)
/r/TheRedPill11/12/15 10:44 PM
1

Nope, they're not "meant to degrade women", they're just a set of views about the nature of women. Just a statement about reality, even if it's one you disagree with.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/15 08:29 AM
2

In general, I have no problem with your main thesis, it's core wisdom around here. However I'd add a caveat or two: There is sometimes a limit to how a woman can go in this. Their capability to improve is sometimes limited by bigger issues than a non-professional can fix. Choose carefully. The later you leave this, the longer she's able to behave badly, the more work is required to fix it, and to maintain a reasonable level of behavior. To the point that it's often better just to start again. St…
/r/TheRedPill11/12/15 04:49 AM
1

I think that's a ludicrous mischaracterization of RP, which is all about owning your shit and making yourself as good as you can be. Recognizing weaknesses and bad behavior in women is not the same as blaming them for male frailty.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/15 04:34 AM
0

BS. I have had almighty oneitis in the past, and I was completely disgusted then by discovering my crush was, um, a very sexual woman, fond of a shag, and none too discerning about where she got them. By oneitis is optional if you don't wanna possess any of them anyway; if you're not after that juicy validation from being loved by your special snowflake. If she's just a plate, who fucking cares how many people she has banged. As long as she's clean and responsible about it, and not too crazy, me…
/r/askTRP11/12/15 01:52 AM
4

Mostly from not taking shit from her. When I had less value, she was able to get away with being lazy about our relationship. Now she puts in a bunch more effort, across the board, but also with communication.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/15 10:46 PM
2

So why are the plentiful self-help guides out there not appealing to many young men, while RP is?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/15 07:02 PM
5

Oddly enough, the self-respect I built post-RP enabled me to see just how little real, open communication there was in my marriage, quite simply because she just didn't need to put in the effort to retain me then. No longer true, of course, which has proven hard for her to adapt to, although she's trying. RP has done wonders for the communication parts of all my relationships, actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/15 06:57 PM
0

Simple cure to that. Skip the oneitis...
/r/askTRP10/12/15 06:45 PM
3

If I had a pussy, I would probably be a total slut. So, no change, then.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/15 06:22 PM
9

Thanks RPS, nice review. I'll have to add it to my Christmas reading list. I must confess to a bit of nostalgia when I read the bit above about women being validated by toying with and rejecting AFCs. I remember (not fondly) being that guy.
/r/TheRedPill09/12/15 06:35 PM
2

Maybe the internal turmoil only happened later. People change ya know. Or maybe he only figured it out later.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 06:39 PM
0

Fuck me but you are an idiot.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 10:18 AM
12

If men stopped engaging in toxic masculine gender roles like an insistence to ALWAYS be in command, hen women might finally be able to approach Aka it's men's fault. Lolz.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 04:15 AM
1

I'm not saying desire is impossible or, um, undesirable. Just that it's not the only reason women try to keep men. But perhaps I misunderstood the context of what you were saying.
/r/MarriedRedPill07/12/15 06:52 PM
1

Your wife will do whatever it takes to keep you around if she views you to be a man that she truly wants to keep around. Or if you give her enough comfort, or social validation. Or you're just a good habit. Don't conflate convenience with desire.
/r/MarriedRedPill07/12/15 06:38 PM
2

I agree. I'd go one further and say that having a fixed term agreement for a LTR or marriage, with conditions governing exit for convenience or cause, is the way to go. Pity it would probably cause some issues with the legal systems of the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 02:09 AM
1

So you only speed when you're in a suit?
/r/askTRP06/12/15 11:51 PM
1

Have done so far, yes. Sometimes I've had to pay up, sometimes it's worked in my favor.
/r/askTRP06/12/15 08:45 PM
7

Denying is a pussy move. Own your shit.
/r/askTRP06/12/15 06:39 PM
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OP may be weak because of his poor decision making or his reaction to being found out. If he is, it's nothing to do with your moral code. Cheating is not an absolute bad, even if you think it is.
/r/askTRP06/12/15 06:38 PM
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You're not paying attention. Or you're young, dumb and ideological, I guess. The commitment that you value so highly is a mirage.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 09:32 AM
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Unfortunately for you, I'm not a cuckold.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 08:25 AM
1

Cringe all you want, dude. I don't give the tiniest fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 08:03 AM
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Um, person? Dunno, dude, I'm not in the business of putting in effort and commitment for low value things.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 03:11 AM
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I'm not a slave to my "primal instincts". What's the economic value of female commitment to me? Why should I invest my time to secure it? I don't need it. It does nothing for me. I can get all the benefits without having to hassle about the costs.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 03:10 AM
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Mobile, pt 2: And you lack the computational power to discuss meaning. Adultery and faithfulness break, as concepts, within scope of consensual NM. It's possible to cheat/commit adultery in a NM relationship, just not automatically by fucking another: fucking someone else by mutual agreement is not infidelity.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 02:09 AM
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Ah, I see why you are confused. You believe that there is one definition of "real" man, and anyone who doesn't do it your way is Wrong, so you assume a bunch of stuff about them ("not enough for their women" - again, eww). It's not a case that I'm "not enough" for "my woman". It's that I don't give enough of a shit to have to possess anyone else. I'm just not that insecure, and don't need the validation, unlike you. There is zero value to me in controlling a woman for sex. If she was an employee…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 02:08 AM
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Your very own sources betray you. MW uses the terms "adultery" and "unfaithful", Cambridge says the wife "deceives" the man. Consensuality is intrinsic to the meaning. Cuckold is not a super-class including consensual non-monogamists. But you can be a idiot all you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 11:24 PM
1

You're absolutely right there. I'm Fucking Magnificent!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 06:41 PM
1

You don't owe me an apology. You seem to have a complicated relationship to sex. I'd have a look at that if I were you.
/r/askTRP02/12/15 06:38 PM
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Sex isn't so much my goal, and equally sexual attraction. The fuck are you doing here then?
/r/askTRP02/12/15 04:50 PM
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I speak fluent Vague so lemme translate here: You have oneitis. Don't send the letter.
/r/askTRP02/12/15 04:47 PM
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I am a man. I have had a very close female best friend. It ended badly. 1/10 would not do again.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 10:03 AM
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Trust me kiddo: there is absolutely zero chance of me dating a fattie who needs me to tell her she's still beautiful and that her total lack of self control is not her problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 06:27 AM
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Doesn't upset me in the slightest. But I do see the people who need it as being weak and unattractive. Which is kinda unproductive, considering what they're trying to achieve.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 08:07 PM
3

I don't have time to read every comment. Cliffs?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 07:15 PM
2

I'm kinda ok with that. But I don't think overcoming low self-esteem is things getting "a little rough".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 07:14 PM
2

So, love yourself then.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 07:12 PM
5

Sure. Why do women need the help?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 07:04 PM
6

I'm continuing your quote to include a bit of subtext.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 07:03 PM
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Can you imagine the social media campaigns? "It's ok to have a small penis, I'm more than just a dick", "money and status isn't everything", "I'm short but I'm beautiful, look at meeeee" or "creepy guys deserve love too". Lols.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 07:00 PM
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"... and you will be able to tame a wild, hot hunk and get him to commit, just like in the romance novels". Women don't do things for their own self-improvement.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 06:56 PM
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If someone is fat and hideous, but chooses to view herself as beautiful, I'm all for that. A positive outlook is better for society, leads to better health outcomes, and idgaf about people deluding themselves - there's a lot of that happening anyway. What I don't get is why they think it's a good idea to tell everyone about it. Quiet confidence and self-assurance is good, shouty, needy, "love me dammit" posturing is just weak.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 06:53 PM
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Women are more insecure and need continual validation. Men are the ones who are "more worthless" in evo terms but women are the squeaky wheels who seem to lack the ability to feel good about themselves on their own. Yes there are doubtless exceptions, inb4 all the special snowflakes of PPD leap in to say how they don't need validation. Sure, honey.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 06:47 PM
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Well, every dictionary but one that I've seen explicitly includes the elements I'm stating as part of the word, so yes you assuredly do cherry-pick. The thing about words as proxies for concepts is that you actually have to understand their meaning in order to use them properly. That's more of a task than simply picking one imperfect source. I've provided plenty of supporting logic about why consent invalidates your use of the word, but you have provided nothing besides assertions that you are r…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 11:41 PM
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A dictionary definition. Partial. Leaving out all the elements of faithfulness, vows, spouses, knowledge etc that are included in the full definition. Cherry-pick all you want, it's just a showcase for your insecurity. And who the fuck do you think you are to tell me what I need?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 07:01 PM
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No, I'm afraid you are simply wrong, no matter how many times you say so. The closest you can get is an old word like "wittol". A consensual cuckold is an oxymoron. No response to my other point? How unsurprising.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 06:51 PM
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Communication. And laziness.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 06:40 PM
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You can claim you're right all you like, doesn't make it true. A cuckold is not simply a person "whose woman" (ewww, again. Jesus, talk about needy) is having sex with someone else. If the vow is renegotiated, she's not in any sense being unfaithful, so he's just not a cuckold. Like you say, words have meaning, and it's important to use them correctly. A cuckold fetish is a specific, different thing to what you are claiming, which you know. Open consensual non-monogamy is a new thing. You can't …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 06:33 PM
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Been there done that. Good news is: every day is a fresh chance to change for the better. Pick one thing. Fix it. Repeat as necessary. Oh, and one other thing. You can't change the past. All you get is the present.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 05:21 AM
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No, I mean what is deficient about your self that makes you sad?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 12:58 AM
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Well, what's wrong with you? (srs)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/15 10:31 PM
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I'm not saying you can't be social. I am, very much so. But there is no soul mate, no special person who can truly get me, and there never can be. Not saying I'm special, either, btw - I can't truly get anyone else either. You have to like yourself and want to do good things because of you, not others. How to come to terms with this? Well, there's never any point in arguing against reality. It always wins.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/15 09:48 PM
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I'd say that means on an ongoing, LTR, basis.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/15 09:42 PM
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their almost crippling sex drive I hear ya. But women are plentiful. Depends on what you mean by "need" I guess, do you mean need as in "be in a committed relationship with", or does fwb count?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/15 07:19 PM
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You're probably right, but I think it varies over time. When I was younger, I would have been very anxious about being alone. Now I think it would be a pleasant relief. I can take care of every single need of mine unless I get chronically ill, in which case I can get support from the local health system until I die. I like being alone when I want to be, and I'm social and like new experiences so will always be happy to join groups of people doing interesting things. I came to terms with the inna…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/15 07:11 PM
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Fucking hell. How many women do you have living with you at a time?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/15 07:03 PM
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I had to google Mama June. You bastard.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/15 06:17 AM
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I don't work on being alpha top dog in absolute terms; there are lots of musclier, hotter, younger etc. guys than me. I work on being the best me I can be. That is smart, savvy, confident, cocky, athletic (not swole), successful... I don't particularly give much of a fuck about others in specific, but wish good things for all sentient beings. I'm happy and like being me, and have enough of a female fanbase for my sexual and companionate needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/15 10:48 AM
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What is she "being unfaithful" to? Answer the question. We did already discuss it. You couldn't rebut my point (that if A won't do something "varied" then your options are go without or find it elsewhere) then, either. Edit: Is "technically possible" the same as "vanishingly unlikely"? And what if your desire for variety is for something a person can't change about themselves, say race, or body type, or age?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/15 05:10 AM
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Remove "especially". What is she "unfaithful" to? And your other claim doesn't stack up either - it is sometimes necessary to have many partners to have varied sex. Often, even. Possibly even usually.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/15 04:56 AM
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Raised to believe women are wonderful, nice guys get the girl, don't be an ass, open the door for her, buy drinks and meals, be a good provider, put up with her shit and moodiness, it's tough being a girl ya know, put your own needs second... with an unhealthy dose of religious sexual repression a.k.a. sex is bad and you really don't need it in a relationship. Wasted a lot of my life treating women like this, ended up looking back at a string of difficult and unsuccessful relationships and a ser…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/15 04:53 AM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/15 04:35 AM
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Pity about all those other dictionaries out there, eh? Like the Cambridge, that says "a man whose ​wife ​deceives him by having a ​sexual ​relationship with another man". Or Wiktionary: "A man married to an unfaithful wife, especially when he is unaware or unaccepting of the fact.". Or all the definitions that invoke "marital", "faithful", "fidelity", "adultery", "spouse" etc. - all of which assume the context of lifetime vows which one is breaking, and don't hold up when the operative agreement…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/15 04:32 AM
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Generally, jeans and tee. Tight fit on a tight body. But context is everything: Depends on the woman, the venue, the weather, her attitude...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/15 05:08 AM
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I'm constantly horny, and think about sex for a disproportionate past of my life. Have done so for decades. I'm not a slave to my sexual actions though, of course I can exert control I over these. And I can stop paying attention to the desire if I want. But it's always there in the background. If I don't get sex regularly, I go a little bit mad. Is this the standard female experience? Based on women I know (with one notable exception), I'd say no.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/15 05:01 AM
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What's the etymology of "cuckold"? And what's the defining nature of the cuckoo? Dipshit. I have no problem being labeled as whatever the fuck you want, as your opinions mean nothing to me. And I'm happy to label myself a slut. In fact I'd whole-heartedly recommend it to others.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/15 04:42 AM
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Insecure isn't s feminist word. It's not "shaming", it's criticism. I would not want a relationship which required that level of effort. Just get another one if you need to. Why have such oneitis that you have to have a key logger on her phone ffs. Just sounds desperate if you ask me.
/r/askTRP25/11/15 05:28 PM
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I've always had her fb passwords and have had key loggers on her phone Insecure much?
/r/askTRP25/11/15 09:05 AM
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Two things: It's not that her enthusiasm is an act. That's way too overt, she just doesn't feel attracted, so doesn't initiate. It's really not as couscous as you seem to imply. You're right, it's a lot of work, and she doesn't have to do any of it. No, that's all. Your only option outside of this is to get a succession of willing mistresses, who will (assuming you're attractive) ride the wave of tingles with you for a short while until they dump you, or better, you dump them.
/r/MarriedRedPill25/11/15 07:26 AM
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If he says, "I want sex n times per week or I will leave you/cheat", and she doesn't want sex that often but also doesn't want to lose him... well then she needs to decide which one she doesn't want more. That's how it works for dudes; every relationship has compromises. This is just basic exercise of agency. He's not responsible for her preferences and decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 07:14 AM
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Depends if they succeed or not I guess... :D I've had two late-20s ladies flirting overtly with me in the last week or two. I'm unlikely to take both of them further but if be lying if I didn't say that has contributed positively to my happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 08:33 PM
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Nope, you're right. It's unusual in the 20s. My mates are all in their 40s though.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 07:23 PM
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I'm way more red than blue and I would be put off by a woman staying at home when there are no kids. In fact it'd be close to a deal-breaker for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 06:43 PM
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Most of my male buddies, who have been in relationships for a long time, are dismally unhappy and not getting enough, or any, sex at home. Every time we go away on a guy thing (fishing trip, say) and have a few beers, the topic will come up, even if it's in a jokey manner. I'm actually getting tired of hanging with some of these guys because they are there own worst, pussy-whipped, enemies.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 06:41 PM
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Sigh. No, not the question, the assertion that I have been claiming to control my emotions, as opposed to my reaction to them, or that I must be capable of being inspired to violence. Everything is possible, but that is at best vanishingly unlikely. You've never overtly said people should be irrational, but are hella invested in trying to convince me I am, even when I've acknowledged that I'm never going to be perfect. Most people would leave it at that but you've persistently pressed me to say,…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 11:54 PM
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It's never been about friends as just friends, that was just an analogy. I don't claim you or anyone must sleep with different people to get variety. I choose to, for good reason. I'm not a whore because the word does also not mean what you think it does. Cuckold does involve the element of unknowing. Consensual non-monogamy is a different moral thing, it would be senseless to conflate them. I make no claim of necessity for my choice to have multiple partners. Never have, never will. You can cla…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 11:47 PM
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First para, dealing with having feelings and preferences, and claiming I'd said there is never a circumstance where I don't react irrationally. Not the general assertion about choosing how to react to emotions. I stand by that. And I can't imagine assaulting anyone. If i had an irrational reaction to a circumstance, you know, like I've said does happen occasionally, it's highly unlikely to involve violence. Hasn't yet, and I do have some experience of drama. I edited the comment because I moment…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 10:23 PM
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"pissing hot". Nice phrase, hadn't heard that one before.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 07:14 PM
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Sure. Because she wants to.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 07:09 PM
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I have certainly been friendzoned, it was unfortunate, and I definitely learned from it!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 07:07 PM
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Needs more upvoting.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 07:04 PM
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Most women are hooked on the validation of a (high quality) man thinking they are his special snowflake and he will do everything for her, even subvert his true nature. This is the plot of 99% of romance novels and chick flicks.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 06:52 PM
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If there was a better option on the table, we wouldn't use the dread.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 06:47 PM
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Sex is a short-term, not very special thing. Commitment is long-term, and carries a far higher cost. Not even remotely comparable.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 08:41 AM
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It's a strategy for improving yourself, understanding how women really work, and not taking shit from people. Which tends to result in getting laid more often. You appear to be thinking of PUA. Besides, even if you were right, what's the gripe, as long as the sex is consensual?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 04:39 AM
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Fucking hell, you can get arrested for manspreading there? I'm so not coming to visit.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 04:37 AM
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TRP is not "dedicated to manipulation".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 04:31 AM
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I've answered your first para straw man, more than once, iirc. Yes it is a straw man - an argumentative target that I have not advanced. My emotions are fine, thanks for your concern. It's not ad hom, just that you really seem incapable of following my point, or even understanding my view.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/15 05:13 PM
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Well, if that was my argument, it would be illogical. Unfortunately for you it's just another hallucination, or some form of projection of your own argumentative inadequacy. In short, you have nothing to add to this debate, and are so thirsty to be right on the Internet that you are resorting to slinging strawmen and even making up shit wholesale. You may want to get something for that insecurity. Oh well, you do you and all that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/15 08:19 AM
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Boobs. But I like them only slightly bigger than a handful, rather than ginormous. And I really, really don't like KK-style big butts. What properly turns my crank is a tight torso.
/r/askTRP22/11/15 06:43 AM
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No thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/15 10:42 PM
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And once again you put words in my mouth. Yes, I am - your words, like I said. We were not talking about just friends Yes. Didn't say we were. and I never accused anyone of whoring because of having many friends. Yes, I didn't say that either. We were talking about people a girl sleeps with. No, we weren't. And I should know because I made the comment which you responded to. If you thought I was female and promiscuous and therefore something you disapprove of and want to label as whorish, that's…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/15 05:47 AM
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That kind of is my stance. Well, happiness can be a choice too. And it's not all or nothing, you can be generally happy but still regret some stuff. Maybe, maybe not. At the end of the day there's no way of knowing. Indeed. In fact part of why I commented was to counter the original view that the party dudes' regrets were inevitable. It depends on the regretter, to a large degree, but everyone does dumb shit and everyone probably should have regrets by middle age. The trick is not to dwell on th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/15 02:25 AM
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Me: I have lots of friends who are quite different, and I enjoy them all for their differences. You: That's what they called whoring. Me: you ... falsely accused me of whoring You: I didn't accuse you of whoring. I was talking about an abstract girl. You :There are absolutely no contradictions in my statements. They mean what they say, if you stop putting words in my mouth, you will see it. If you're not dishonest, you're delusional. Read your own quoted text above. I am putting words in your mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/15 01:41 AM
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Adulterers, and men who didn't follow the social standard of settling down and marrying a good girl and staying faithful to her forever have always been disapproved of.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/15 12:56 AM
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When the truth is, no you wouldn't. I think you're assuming an awful lot there. Unless your stance is that you're going to be unhappy no matter what, there will generally be fewer regrets (of things that were directly under your control, unlike "the one that got away") later in life if early life had more fun experiences. This is true even if proximate death is the cause of the process. Besides, dying, meh. We've all gotta do it sometime.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/15 12:53 AM
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No, that's not a supportable conclusion from my comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/15 12:22 AM
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I think that ^ statement is why this conversation proceeded as it did. That was your strawman, I simply treated it with the derision it deserved. Is it really that hard for you to admit you could ever "break frame?" No, and I have. Both admitted that, and broken frame, that is. Never achieved me anything, tbh; 1/10 would not do again if possible. It's not the point, though. you would lose your shit if your whole family got murdered and eaten? Some days, I might be quite pleased. :) The fact that…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 11:19 PM
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Now? Sure. 200kya-10kya? Likely a whole lot more, it's an idea that appears to have arisen independently in many cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 10:58 PM
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Careful with those assumptions. I agree with AWALT as a heuristic.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 10:36 PM
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I don't get that implication. I like steak. True. I like steak for every meal, every day, for all eternity. Not true. c.f. Bacon is delicious.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 09:41 PM
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I thought she said "Casual sex makes people happy"?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 09:29 PM
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You have no choice but give me the benefit of doubt. Really? There is no doubt, your contradictory statements are evidence. he's not your magical unicorn He is not my magical unicorn anyway, I don't do guys. I do like a bit of butt stuff from time to time, but guys as such aren't my style. I'm a man who likes as much pussy as he can get. Either way, I don't believe any (wo)man who loves you won't do something for you in bed. If (s)he doesn't - (s)he doesn't love you and you don't want to be with…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 09:28 PM
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I didn't accuse you of whoring. I was talking about an abstract girl. Sure you see nothing wrong about it, some people do and have a certain name for it. I call dishonesty. you can experience all variety of sex with one partner except for sex that requires more than one partner at a time. Or sex that your magical unicorn is unwilling to do. As a matter of interest, are you in any way religious?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 08:57 PM
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casual sex ALWAYS has this result in EVERY person who engages in it, EVERY time Jesus, that's some standard. LT committed monogamous "approved" sex doesn't always make people happy either. Nothing ALWAYS makes EVERYONE happy EVERY time.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 08:46 PM
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Why? Because it wasn't making him happy Because they are the stage of their lives where they want to settle down? Nothing wrong with casual sex when you're young or old; it's the bit in the middle where people like to get all serious n'shit. Don't make the mistake of believing that life is homogeneous.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 08:40 PM
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Now, nearing our forties, they regret it all. Since we're accepting anecdata here, let me add a bit. I hang with a bunch of guys who grew up in a different time to you, and either through social constructs that limited them (religion, small-town conservatism, no big party scene, local sexual marketplace not deregulated yet) or their own limitations, didn't get a massive amount of pussy when they were young. Few exceptions to this, of course, but there are enough people in the group like this for…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 08:35 PM
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this wasn't the case for men Now that's just horseshit. I agree women have had more limitations, but most men were severely limited by social mores too.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 08:26 PM
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They literally brim over with resentment at their inability to get men to stick around Then they're not doing casual sex, are they? American women are just about the unhappiest people around I don't live in America but I think that could be unrelated to casual sex. What makes men happy is having power in their lives to live the lives they want to live. What makes men happy is self-determination, and the ability to direct the course of their own lives. For some men, that means having casual sex. …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 08:24 PM
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it's like you're denying a fundamentally human aspect of your character by pretending that under no circumstance would you ever lose your cool Except I'm not: I am not perfect Hmm. I'm still getting the impression that your position is that you can, in fact, control your emotions. Except I'm not: I don't think I'm misunderstanding your position you're implying that you can control your emotions These two statements are incompatible. Hmm x 2. it sounds like you're saying that you are the arbiter …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 08:04 PM
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It would matter, if what you said was logical. To recap: I expressed a preference for sexual variety. You claimed I could experience variety with one partner. I rebutted that by providing a common case where you can't have as varied sex with only one partner. At this point you ran out of anything non-ideological, falsely accused me of whoring, and ludicrously suggested a practical way for me to meet my preference is to find a unicorn. I believe that's what they call "desperate". I dismissed the …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 09:32 AM
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I just skimmed your post history because I couldn't decide if you were a woman or just a young man, based on your logic. (I use the term loosely). I'm guessing the latter, although I guess I could be wrong and you might just find reason a bit challenging. Incidentally, "whoring" means having sex with prostitutes, or compromising your principles/debasing yourself for personal gain (typically money). Personally I am only in favor of one of those, however I don't do either.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 08:55 AM
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How telling. First you use a pejorative term to describe an action, then you pretend that you're not making a moral statement about the strategy, but rather that it's all about the labeling, then you start talking "consequences". Apart from your descent into incomprehensibility in your last sentence (are you saying it's not about your proxy-moral labeling now?), one might be forgiven for thinking you had a point, but merely lacked the gumption to defend it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 07:48 AM
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There's also the concept of "partible paternity" to consider. Many primitive cultures believe the qualities of a child are additively determined from multiple fathers. So if you want a strong, brave, tall, warrior child, you fuck the strong dude and the brave dude and the tall dude. Etc. Not just the best compromise across all of these characteristics.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 05:06 AM
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Females have also been observed to go, solo and unprotected, to neighboring tribes to get them some strange DNA. And they return to their hone troupe/tribe when they've been sufficiently fucked. Often not gone long, either, as if they were sneaking away. This strategy doesn't work so well for male chimps..
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 04:59 AM
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Why is this important to you? I think you'll find the answer to that question would tell you a lot about your attitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 02:52 AM
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Certainly not always the case. A side piece, maybe. But the wife is locked down in many cases, doesn't need much to keep her happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 07:04 PM
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I have been married with kids, and they have not been my motivation to look after myself at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 07:02 PM
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I'm on mobile, I can't see flairs :) Interesting, I'd never have guessed.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 01:18 AM
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Wait, Kelly_C is red?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 11:37 PM
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I don't think I'm misunderstanding your position you're implying that you can control your emotions These two statements are incompatible. I am not perfect, sure, but I'm also not the slave to my emotions that you seem to think I must be. I'm also certainly not emotionless, and would not want to be. But it's easier than you think to examine a reflexive emotional reaction, consider whether it's reasonable, and no longer react like that in future. I don't feel jealousy because it is of no value to…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 11:29 PM
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Label things how you want. I fail to see the merit of adopting a "the one" strategy. It just makes search more complex, but adds little benefit. Risks are about even: more complexity and higher risk of drama, but greater tolerance to change. The only way it makes sense is if you prop it up with religion or another ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 11:09 PM
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Well she is a special snowflake :P
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 07:35 PM
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That was remarkably interesting for a "let me tell you about my hobby" spiel :) Thanks. I think humans have been a bit confused about monogamy in animals because of the whole religious baggage thing. Many animals are ostensibly monogamous while they mate and raise offspring (the one time in human life when I think monogamy is best, too), but move to a different partner next season. Humans do a bit of this too, serial monogamy. But even during the mating phase many animals have a dual strategy: t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 06:56 PM
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That's an option, sure. Not the only one, but an option.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 06:37 PM
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Agree about the going behind people's backs. Don't agree about choosing between the two. Both can be an option too.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 09:55 AM
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Yeah, humans are complex. The study I saw didn't say the happy cheaters were sociopaths to a disproportionate degree, but I'd doubt that. Just don't assume things have to be bad for people to cheat, even if you can't understand how it works.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 05:48 AM
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Very few animals, including birds, are fully monogamous. There's lots of genetic testing that has been done that shows a background level of unfaithfulness in most species that look monogamous on the surface. Humans are a prime example of this, of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 05:05 AM
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You may not have seen the stats (I'll dig them out when I'm not on mobile, if needed) that a high percentage of cheaters are happy in their relationships? Things don't have to be "so bad".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 04:59 AM
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Some people can feel strong emotions, including desire or lust, about more than one person at a time. Leaving is often way more drama. Honesty is still good though.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 04:56 AM
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Not often I come across that view (your last sentence) here. Well done.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 04:55 AM
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the next step I would suggest is to ask to open the relationship. If you SO says no or is unhappy in the open relationship, you have an obligation to break up. I think this is ass-backwards. If you want to open the relationship and she doesn't, she's welcome to break up with you if that's what she wants to do as a result. This is an outcome that you must accept, going in to the discussion about openness, of course. It's quite feasible that the one opening the relationship might be quite happy to…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 04:47 AM
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You're misunderstanding my position. I'm not saying I don't feel emotion, just that I choose how to react to it. The classic analogy is if you stub your toe, you feel pain. However you can choose to feel the pain, understand why you feel the pain, resolve to not do the same thing again, etc. all without having a big dialog in your head about how you're a clumsy idiot and the world is always mean to you... Nobody said life was free of pain and suffering. I'm also not saying mono isn't valid. Just…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 02:56 AM
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I'm interested in your use of the word "unfair". Who am I being unfair to?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 01:32 AM
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Non-monogamy is weird, statistically. But I am not trying to be radical, I genuinely don't understand why people think mono is the only valid way. (Not all people, of course). I'd never want to rationalize away a feeling, but I do exercise mindfulness about my feelings. I can and do choose how to react to them. If I felt jealous (I don't, but hypothetically) then I would focus on why that was the case, not suppress the emotion. Same with anger. No, I can't imagine assaulting anyone. I'm slightly…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 12:59 AM
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Well, different people are quite cool. I have lots of friends who are quite different, and I enjoy them all for their differences. Also, not all people want the same things. If your "one person" doesn't like anal, or D/s, or BDSM, or whatever, then you can't have (consensual) sex of those types with them. In that case, others can fill that gap. Goes both ways, of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 10:30 PM
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To a degree. Why would I want that limitation though?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 09:05 PM
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I'm not the weird one. The people who believe monogamy is The Only True Way And Never To Be Questioned, they're the weird ones if you ask me. The idea that someone could be so jealous that they would even joke about cutting their partner up with a chainsaw in the case of infidelity is just so foreign to me. I an not the everything for anyone, and nobody is the everything for me. I have yet to find someone who can explain why they are jealous like the standard model seems to dictate who has actua…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 07:55 PM
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Fair enough, there's some reasons when you think it through. I don't agree with them all - STDs are manageable, I've never had one. The risk of her catching feelings is increased by sex but she could fall for some dude anyway. Good luck to her, if she wants to leave I ain't stopping her. And I live outside the USA so less divorce rape. If she goes, I'll be fine, financially.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 06:05 AM
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I didn't say there's no emotional component. Just that attraction has a rational element too.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 05:36 AM
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She's not as fussed, actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 05:35 AM
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I disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 05:31 AM
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Yup, all feels, no reasons. Don't feel bad though, there's lots of you out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 05:27 AM
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I'm not anti commitment. I'm anti automatic monogamous commitment. My friends are committed, live together, have each others backs. They can just count past two. I'm committed, just not exclusive. I'm def not MGTOW, I like me some pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 05:26 AM
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Commitment is absolutely not monogamous by definition, that's complete bollocks. It's monogamous by convention, at best. Edit: Yes I do like varied sex. But I've been in a relationship (the same one) longer than most of you have been alive. That not committed enough for you? Also, let me tell you about my friends. They've been together for 20 something years. Started as the two girls, but then they were joined by their male third about 10 years in. They own property, run a business, and I have e…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 05:06 AM
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Well, value is relative, so if your hubby thinks that, good luck to him. I hope he's happy with the deal. Wouldn't work for me though.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 05:04 AM
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Meh. There's more like that where you came from. You certain it's not just insecurity and need for validation?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 05:01 AM
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What makes you that special?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 04:47 AM
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Makes no sense to me. Having my sexuality owned and controlled is unacceptable to me. No problems there. Owning and controlling someone else's sexuality though, that's just work for little reward.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 04:45 AM
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Why does the commitment have to be monogamous?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 04:43 AM
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Maybe you like her, or even love her. Maybe you have history, kids, etc. Plenty of reason to invest.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 04:41 AM
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Why? Do you believe that you must be everything to him? What makes this true?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 04:40 AM
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Poly people can cheat, but being poly is not cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 04:39 AM
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What is left is living together and merged finances. I'd argue the relationship that implies is a roommate, not a lover. This is the insight that RP sometimes misses. What you've described is the end point of almost all marriages. This is a valid (but sad) relationship, and works for some people. Not me, but I know friends who are sexless and claim to be happy. Anyway, add sex back in to your mix and it's an even more valid relationship. Add sex with others as well and so what? - it doesn't have…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 04:38 AM
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There is a lot of "not for me" in there, not a lot of reasons why. When I find thought processes like that in my own head, it's a red flag for me; an inducement to drill deeper and understand why. YMMV. I'm open and reddish, and in my case it is because it is exactly what I want, less so my SO. It's just bilateral because I'm not a total dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 04:31 AM
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No, I don't think you're right about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 04:27 AM
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Not me, and it looks like yours are the posts being deleted. To be honest though, this little exchange isn't adding much to the collective wisdom of the universe, so if I was the mods, I'd nuke the whole thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 09:53 PM
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If you want an intelligent and relevant response, perhaps you shouldn't write comments that are so retarded that they sound like satire.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 09:42 PM
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Sex adds to her value, but often on a low base though (depending on your view on "little women, barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen" and shit like that). Depends what you want. If monogamous committed long term marriage is your bag, pick someone with low, but some, experience. If you just want sex, sluts are great.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 07:21 PM
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Bingo. We have a winner. Here's the thing though, that's tractable to rational control..
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 07:15 PM
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Meh, dunno. It's a bridge of irrationality to far for me. And I'm male.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 07:09 PM
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You might need to stop reading those fantasy novels...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 07:02 PM
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But that's a truism about all humans. Trust the facts, ma'am.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 06:56 PM
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It's almost a given than emotions can influence people's ability to perceive accurately. But it's logically incorrect to say that they always will., or that an emotional state will invalidate the entire view someone holds. Just look past the emotions and work with the underlying point. It's not hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 06:46 PM
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Well to be fair there's probably a 50% chance most long-term married men wouldn't make the same mistake twice either...
/r/MGTOW13/11/15 10:21 PM
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Yeah, obvious. First rule: be attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 12:02 AM
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"Be responsible for" is ambiguous as well. Understanding that actions have consequences is simply an attribution of cause. Being responsible in the sense of "it's your fault" is entirely another thing. That conveys an emotional response towards the event, and is the basis of the impact of the moral judgement. Saying "I did a dumb thing, I will learn from that, and fix it" could be called "blaming". Could be called "growth". If the consequences of my dumbitude only affected me, you could call tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/15 06:42 PM
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You're missing my point. There's a difference between saying "you are to blame for this, it's your fault" and "when you do x, y happens. If you don't want y, stop doing x". Or in the more general case of RP, "you keep doing x expecting y, but x usually causes z, not y, despite what you have been told. You don't like z. Perhaps you should think about not doing x?"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/15 12:25 PM
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Yes, I said nothing to contradict that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/15 08:56 AM
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Agree entirely, and I regularly advise people over in DB land to get their shit sorted. This is the core RP message: Be awesome. But it goes two ways. Married men should not have to be performing seals in order to just have a reasonable relationship, and women should keep their shit together too.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/15 06:03 AM
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Your conclusion is obvious. Sexual market value is useful in the context where sex is the objective, relationship market value where relationships are more valued. You even imply that you don't value casual sex highly. So... Well duh?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/15 05:58 AM
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I think you're attaching too much morality to this. TRP is amoral in more senses than one. No point in wasting time attributing blame for the purpose of bitching about it: deal with the world as it is, allocate consequences where incentives to change behavior are needed or boundaries are transgressed. End of.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/15 05:45 AM
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Because sometimes the change takes people to places where they are no longer compatible, and don't want the same things anymore. I'm not saying divorce trivially and as a matter of convenience. It's a big deal. But sometimes it's the right thing to do. Sounds like you might agree with that, actually, given your last response.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/15 05:30 AM
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So have you ever promised to do something, say for a friend, and ended up not being able to do it? I'm all for integrity and accountability, but sometimes shit happens. People change. Are you really saying divorce is never ok?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/15 04:51 AM
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OK, but invoking "til death do us part" is a bit of a cheat, because that was the option constructed based on either marriage for love romanticism or religious concepts of propriety. All things being equal, I'd go back in time and promise "5 years, no kids, let's see how we go and renegotiate then" as my word. The truth is that the person I was when I made the forever vows I did, no longer exists. If I divorce now, it doesn't have to break my family, just the arrangements between me and my wife.…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/15 12:19 AM
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Hey I'm not judging, it's just that I've heard the religious arguments already so if that was your basis I'd stop there. So in the absence of religion, what makes marriage so sacred that divorce is immoral?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/15 09:49 PM
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Are you religious?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/15 07:33 PM
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You are right, at one level. People could do more to work their way through challenges and have less"divorce of convenience". That logic could apply in other areas too, of course. Duty can be noble. But there are certainly cases where people change too much, bait and switch, and the like - things change, in short - and those vows may as well have been made between two different people. Unhappiness can be a cause for divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/15 07:32 PM
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I have no problem at all with her actions. Staying because someone else needs you, when you don't want to be in a relationship, is just fostering co-dependence. I have no problem with his actions in this either, as it happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/15 07:25 PM
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