tequilabagel Archive

Upvotes	Title	Category	Author	Subreddit	Date (UTC)

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-1	"If more girls were willing to be ladies, would more guys feel challenged to be gentlemen?" [FB] My question was mostly rhetorical. Being a "lady" has sex-negative and sexist connotations, whereas "gentleman" doesn't have nearly as strong of a negative connotation. I suppose the equivalent of Gentleman which by the broadest definition to be kind and courteous at all times Your response didn't really answer my question, and then it turned pretty misogynistic.	/r/MensRights	11/02/13 05:20 PM
1	"If more girls were willing to be ladies, would more guys feel challenged to be gentlemen?" [FB] You potentially had me for a second until you said: and you should man up and not dress like a fucking slob. Do you really think when someone tells you to man up that they're telling you take a shower and put on a suit? I ask seriously. I mean, when I hear it, it's to tell someone to stop acting like a "pussy" or a "little bitch" or, to just go ahead and put it bluntly, like a "little girl", e.g. Dude, man the fuck up and grow a pair. It is an obvious insult, whereas 'gentleman' is almost never,…	/r/MensRights	11/02/13 01:37 PM
1	"If more girls were willing to be ladies, would more guys feel challenged to be gentlemen?" [FB] That's all I could ask for. Thanks for the kind words. It only doesn't fit in with my personal experience. This is such an incredibly important point for this conversation specifically and, I think, the ideas of places like this subreddit and SRS(D). Perspective is really critical to our understanding. It's not a bad thing, but we have to know how to use it to our advantage. I like you! Keep being awesome.	/r/MensRights	11/02/13 12:53 PM
0	"If more girls were willing to be ladies, would more guys feel challenged to be gentlemen?" [FB] You do realize women didn't get the right to vote (in the US) until under a hundred years ago, right? And you do realize how long humans have been around? I'll shorten that to just 'how long democracy has been around' to be more fair.	/r/MensRights	11/02/13 12:51 PM
2	"If more girls were willing to be ladies, would more guys feel challenged to be gentlemen?" [FB] I can dig it. Treat people with that idea in mind if it works for you. "Well mannered" as you described it seems more like what I would call "well rounded." That's why I mentioned we still have a definitions problem. Ah, language.	/r/MensRights	11/02/13 12:49 PM
1	"If more girls were willing to be ladies, would more guys feel challenged to be gentlemen?" [FB] I more or less agree. Oh god, Manhood Academy. Just garbage. Only heard about it recently, and it seems pretty fucked up.	/r/MensRights	10/02/13 11:08 PM
-4	"If more girls were willing to be ladies, would more guys feel challenged to be gentlemen?" [FB] Wow. You're pretty ridiculous. I mean, I pulled from your comment and then responded to what I quoted. It doesn't really get any more simple. Next time you should try being more specific in your arguments, and then you won't get upset when someone doesn't know everything about you, which is what I assume you mean by 'talking to someone else I cannot see or hear' — like I am telling you you believe something you don't. Goodnight.	/r/MensRights	10/02/13 11:02 PM
-11	"If more girls were willing to be ladies, would more guys feel challenged to be gentlemen?" [FB] Your refusing to accept that a man would ever have something like his appearence, language, or sexuality questioned. I...never did that. Just because it happens does not mean that it is happening in this instance. I do think those things can be questioned in a man, but telling him to be a gentleman is not one of those instances in my opinion. I also gave you an example as to why. That's all I have said. I'm just trying to have a discussion with you, and while I find it to be a bit of an annoying…	/r/MensRights	10/02/13 10:28 PM
-2	"If more girls were willing to be ladies, would more guys feel challenged to be gentlemen?" [FB] The thing about words is that you can't just grab them and say, "I'm going to use them this way because this is what I want them to mean." At least, not all the time. Sure, your refinement of the status is a lot less problematic, but not perfect. We can't just insert words into the Facebook OP's mouth like that. No, she chose "ladies," and she chose "gentlemen," and we can only work with that. Telling someone to be a lady questions things like a woman's choice of words, her sexuality, her dress …	/r/MensRights	10/02/13 10:13 PM
1	"If more girls were willing to be ladies, would more guys feel challenged to be gentlemen?" [FB] They do change, but perhaps it's best to just find or invent a new word. Slut has its own definition — perhaps just for now, perhaps forever — and with it comes some really, really harmful ideas about behaviors and female sexuality. We don't always have to use single words, though. I mean, a 'deceitful person' or 'sexually deceitful person' is a good start.	/r/MensRights	10/02/13 10:01 PM
-5	"If more girls were willing to be ladies, would more guys feel challenged to be gentlemen?" [FB] Okay, then, you're right; I am asserting that "Be a gentleman!" is different from "Be a lady!" I don't think it has 'inverse gender role connotations.' Telling someone to be more ladylike often brings into question things like her body, her clothing, her choice of language, her sexuality, etc., whereas telling a man to be a gentleman suggests that he be nice, perhaps chivalrous. These are both related to gender roles, but one doesn't have the implications of thousands of years of oppression. Not…	/r/MensRights	10/02/13 09:58 PM
1	"If more girls were willing to be ladies, would more guys feel challenged to be gentlemen?" [FB] Absolutely. It does come across a bit strange, but maybe that will go away with time.	/r/MensRights	10/02/13 09:27 PM
6	"If more girls were willing to be ladies, would more guys feel challenged to be gentlemen?" [FB] No worries. I understand what you're trying to get at now. I agree with you that politeness should be met with politeness. I disagree with the use of "chivalry," however. That's a really loaded term/idea, and it is a much more specific code of conduct (if you will) than general politeness. You don't exactly deserve thanks for being a decent human being, you know? Especially if your chivalry is only chivalry, not politeness — and not politeness directed at all people regardless of gender. As far …	/r/MensRights	10/02/13 09:26 PM
-9	"If more girls were willing to be ladies, would more guys feel challenged to be gentlemen?" [FB] I know men are told to be gentlemen, because I said it in the phrase of mine you quoted. What I said, acknowledging that fact completely, was that they were two different things based on the fact that their words have different meanings. Elsewhere in the discussion, I mentioned that telling a man to "man up" would be rude. "Be a gentleman!" and "Man up!" are different cases: one is a generic way of saying to a man to be nice, and the other is much more like "Be a lady!"/"Be more ladylike!" Just …	/r/MensRights	10/02/13 09:12 PM
-23	"If more girls were willing to be ladies, would more guys feel challenged to be gentlemen?" [FB] Men aren't told to be ladies. Are you saying men are told to be gentlemen? I know that. edit: How the fuck did this comment anger so many people?	/r/MensRights	10/02/13 08:53 PM
3	"If more girls were willing to be ladies, would more guys feel challenged to be gentlemen?" [FB] Well, it is rude. I don't know how you would react to that situation, but if that's what you want to tell them, then do it. I would certainly support that. I feel like you might be trying to trap me into saying no, but I think telling someone to be a lady and telling another to man up are both sexist and symptoms of the same problem.	/r/MensRights	10/02/13 08:52 PM
0	"If more girls were willing to be ladies, would more guys feel challenged to be gentlemen?" [FB] I can understand you getting upset by someone telling you your faults. Sure. The problem with this is that the person doing the telling is assuming that whatever they're pointing out is a fault. Often people will call a woman unladylike for the way she dresses, for example. High skirts or low tops are "unladylike." But why? Should I cover myself from head to toe, then? Instead of pointing out actual flaws, telling someone to be a lady can be a hurtful reminder of dumb standards. Depending on how…	/r/MensRights	10/02/13 08:50 PM
3	"If more girls were willing to be ladies, would more guys feel challenged to be gentlemen?" [FB] I don't really think so, but I'll compromise with you and say it was a pretty dumb status anyway.	/r/MensRights	10/02/13 08:43 PM
1	"If more girls were willing to be ladies, would more guys feel challenged to be gentlemen?" [FB] It's okay if you want to use this definition for yourself, but I hope you realize most people don't think of this very specific usage when they use it. That's why, I think, Crewiz asked the question (and somewhat rhetorically).	/r/MensRights	10/02/13 08:41 PM
5	"If more girls were willing to be ladies, would more guys feel challenged to be gentlemen?" [FB] I had a hard time understanding any of that. It seemed pretty specific, too, like as if you're upset over a certain person. :/ Politeness and chivalry should ALWAYS be considered an effort a man makes to keep you safe and to help you I don't think that politeness should be an effort for anyone, but I don't think I even get what you're saying anyway.	/r/MensRights	10/02/13 08:38 PM
23	"If more girls were willing to be ladies, would more guys feel challenged to be gentlemen?" [FB] Women are also capable of being sexist towards themselves, you know.	/r/MensRights	10/02/13 08:36 PM
-19	"If more girls were willing to be ladies, would more guys feel challenged to be gentlemen?" [FB] Because asking a man to be a gentleman and a woman to be a lady are two different things with different connotations. It's never insulting to call someone a gentleman, but many people find it offensive to be called a lady. Women repeatedly hear people — both men and other women, family and strangers — tell them to "be ladies" or "act more ladylike." It's just so rude. Now, if you ask anyone of any gender to be a nice person or what have you, you're very unlikely to find anyone complain. Words, l…	/r/MensRights	10/02/13 08:31 PM
27	"If more girls were willing to be ladies, would more guys feel challenged to be gentlemen?" [FB] And nobody thinks it's sexist to say more girls should act like "ladies"? What's a "lady" supposed to be anyhow?	/r/MensRights	10/02/13 05:30 PM