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-6

How do I get an idea of how many jurisdictions?
/r/MensRights13/09/25 02:43 AM
-14

That seems plausible, but I haven’t found much evidence to support that with regards to rape. Do you have any you can share? It’s hard when I’m talking to others to persuade them without some good evidence.
/r/MensRights13/09/25 02:12 AM
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I don’t like hoe_math or think he’s correct, but there’s an image at the time stamped link here that probably explains what Kirk’s basic view is for the proper relationship between men, women, god etc. https://youtu.be/KG3W-df-V-8?si=dsC9RRkaLnyKjWQK&t=473
/r/MensRights11/09/25 07:50 AM
1

But I don’t know if those women in your examples are reciprocating in other ways they just aren’t talking about.
/r/MensRights11/09/25 07:47 AM
1

No. This is all I had to say. I think you might have to get into the details here (like do those women reciprocate in other ways?) but guys have a lot of different preferences.
/r/MensRights11/09/25 07:38 AM
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Are you just arguing for the sake of arguing? If the interaction benefits both parties, then women are reciprocating somehow in other ways.
/r/MensRights11/09/25 07:32 AM
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Yes, the sort of submission he means it is damaging to men, but it’s not gynocentric. Actually, thinking about it, he’s was a Christian, so he only cares if men obey God. “Godcentric”.
/r/MensRights11/09/25 07:29 AM
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So you think those guys just send the women checks once a month and then don’t interact with them otherwise?
/r/MensRights11/09/25 07:23 AM
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Kirk’s murder is a tragedy and he wasn’t really for man’s rights, but he wasn’t a gynocentrist. So you could say he was an altruist or a collectivist, where he only cares if men provide value for others or society. "Reject feminism, submit to your husband, Taylor -- you're not in charge." - Kirk.
/r/MensRights11/09/25 07:21 AM
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I think you might have to get into the details here (like do those women reciprocate in other ways?) but guys have a lot of different preferences.
/r/MensRights11/09/25 05:24 AM
1

Men and women have free will. It’s not helpful for you to judge someone by the choices of another. You’ll miss out on the benefit of mutually beneficial relationships, like a friendship, with better men and they’ll miss out as well. It helps other sexists and rapists (since rapists can use proclamations that all men are rapists to delude themselves that they’re just like all other men). Men almost certainly commit sexual assault more brutally and they do it more frequently because men are more c…
/r/MensRights10/09/25 06:58 AM
1

Maybe. But maybe men can handle the hardships of socialism better? And women would get poorer as well. And women aren’t hypergamous.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 02:58 AM
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Yeah, it’s nonsense. It only applies in limited circumstances. Though, a difference in sex more significant than a difference in skin color.
/r/MensRights09/09/25 08:39 PM
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One, men and women should pursue what’s best for themselves. So a genuine relationship is mutually beneficial. Two, the primary benefit from a romance is psychological, which is based primarily on personality. The reason why being provided for is a big deal to many women is because many women want to be mothers and many women want to be SAHMs. And many men want that as well. Also, due to the male / female dynamic in bed, from many men and women wanting a woman or man means wanting someone more s…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 07:50 AM
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Unless she’s completely clueless, she knows you’re romantically interested. If you haven’t asked her out again yet, specifically ask her out on a date. If you have asked her out, mention the word date like in a message, like message her the morning of saying you’re looking forward to the date or whatever.
/r/seduction08/09/25 06:40 AM
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Why do men give bad advice to men? Women aren’t automatically good at giving good advice to men. Some give good advice. Some give bad advice either out of mistake, ignorance, dishonesty etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 04:52 AM
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I mean, I’m for a man pursuing his own rights for his self-interest? Why else should a man support his rights? I don’t think it’s a woman’s self-interest to get raped or to get affirmative action.
/r/MensRights07/09/25 12:23 PM
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Sure. That’s what I mean. I don’t think rape for example is actually in someone’s interest or advantage.
/r/MensRights07/09/25 12:14 PM
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Huh? I didn’t define self-interest? And why are they against rape? Because it’s against the self-interest of the rapist and the victim? And why are they for equality before the law? So every individual can better pursue his self-interest? What do they think is moral? Pursuing your self-interest?
/r/MensRights07/09/25 10:37 AM
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Huh? Men’s problems are problems men face in pursuing their self-interest. Left wingers are generally opposed to self-interest in politics. They’re only fine with helping the needier or oppressed stand up for themselves. Why is my point completely pointless?
/r/MensRights07/09/25 10:16 AM
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I would say it’s a boy’s self-interest to not face challenges or bias in education. I would say that it’s in a man’s self-interest for there to be equality before the law.
/r/MensRights07/09/25 08:58 AM
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I mean, there’s more groups than women. And none of that changes that left wingers are generally opposed to self-interest in politics.
/r/MensRights07/09/25 08:44 AM
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Men’s problems are problems men face in pursuing their self-interest. Left wingers are generally opposed to self-interest in politics. They’re only fine with helping the needier or oppressed stand up for themselves.
/r/MensRights07/09/25 07:57 AM
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I would say the main reason is that women have it harder when having sex. Men are bigger, stronger, heavier. They can orgasm much more easily. They don’t have to deal with menstruation or pregnancy. They face much less risk of rape or assault. And then there’s the consequences of that on dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 03:57 AM
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Definitely not, not to any significant degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 09:19 PM
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Conclusions based on a deterministic model of man are inaccurate since man has free will, though I’m sure some women prefer taller men for that reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 03:20 AM
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What about the effect of wider hips and wider shoulders on the people who have them. Wider hips benefit women for having babies. And, if wider shoulders are really helpful with protection, then they are beneficial to the man for acting or defending himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 12:54 AM
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Nothing. If that’s how the relationship starts.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 10:19 PM
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What was on a paper a response to a 'grassroots feminist movement' was in reality a highly lucrative (and common sense dictates, planned) enterprise for criminal organizations and political powers that profited hand over fist from graft. You’re saying that 2/3 of the House and Senate as well as 46/48 of US states prohibited alcohol because of criminals and politicians? What’s your evidence?
/r/MensRights05/09/25 07:25 PM
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Standards of manliness or masculinity vary across different cultures, subcultures, ethnic groups and historical periods.[8] Traits traditionally viewed as masculine in Western society include strength, courage, independence, leadership, dominance, and assertiveness.[9][10][11][12][13] When women's labor participation increased, there were men who felt less comfortable in their masculinity because it was increasingly difficult for them to reconfirm their status as the breadwinner. Here’s an excer…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 11:31 AM
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In childhood boys are bullied for being like a girl. Girls sometimes also bully boys for being like a girl or they would atleast point out that he's being girly. How does this mean masculinity is defined by not being feminine? Pink used to be a very normal color for men until women took the color. In this example the men conceded territory to women. Same question. And what about blue now being a boy’s color for babies? Actually seems many colors are contested. When it comes to fashion it's very …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 11:10 AM
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Putting too much effort into increasing your looks or into a woman when you don’t have enough reason to like her. Putting not enough effort into achieving happiness, into learning from your experiences, into finding women that are more likely to like you.
/r/seduction04/09/25 10:44 PM
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No. What’s almost certainly the issue is that you try too hard in unproductive ways and not hard enough in productive ways.
/r/seduction04/09/25 10:10 PM
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How did you get from “not just approaching random women in public depending on your goals” to “you shouldn’t approach random women in public”?
/r/seduction04/09/25 08:43 PM
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IRL, but not just approaching random women in public depending on your goals. OLD should be a supplement.
/r/seduction04/09/25 08:31 PM
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shame for “repeating our rants”? You came here to rant against white, English speaking men and not use your vaunted empathy. So, that’s probably why people have called you out in the past.
/r/MensRights04/09/25 05:25 PM
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It depends on her relationship to you, why you’re crying, what sort of woman she is and what sort of man you are.
/r/seduction03/09/25 11:38 PM
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Basically. There’s not that much of a difference between judging someone for one innate characteristic or another instead of judging their choices.
/r/MensRights03/09/25 11:29 PM
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Citation needed.
/r/MensRights03/09/25 09:11 PM
-6

You might believe you were pre-programmed for procreation, but that is not the case.
/r/MensRights03/09/25 09:07 PM
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Which is worse: murder or a slap? Which is worse: beating someone half to death or a slap? Are you saying that someone who slaps someone has committed an equally bad crime as someone who has put someone in the hospital and should therefore be punished the same amount?
/r/MensRights03/09/25 08:38 PM
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All degrees of severity of assault on varying people are all wrong for the same exact reason. But they are not all equally wrong.
/r/MensRights03/09/25 08:06 PM
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If you don’t think an adult slapping a child is different from a child slapping an adult, then you don’t live in the real world. And if you don’t think the severity of assault is dependent on the damage you cause, then you don’t live in the real world.
/r/MensRights03/09/25 06:04 PM
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I mean, again that “mate suppression” stuff sounds like it’s using a deterministic model of human nature regardless of what it says, so I’m skeptical both that they really mean free will and that their model doesn’t implicitly deny free will.
/r/MensRights03/09/25 05:50 PM
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The action of a giant slapping a midget is different than the action of a midget slapping a giant. The nature of the action is dependent on the thing acting.
/r/MensRights03/09/25 05:41 PM
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Ok. But men and women have free will. So your model is inaccurate. I sincerely doubt “basically all the data” argues that your actions are largely determined.
/r/MensRights03/09/25 05:25 PM
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Men and women have free will. That sounds like it’s based on a deterministic model of human nature.
/r/MensRights03/09/25 04:53 PM
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Different women are attracted to different things. Some women are attracted to confidence. Some women are attracted to the appearance of confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 03:49 PM
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Vagina envy? More like vagina desire I think. He wants sex with women, maybe without being exclusive, but women don’t want sex with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 07:23 AM
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If you want to say having sex (which is NOT the same as getting casual sex) is innately easier for men than for women, ok? And men and women deal with that fact in variety of different ways? We want sex because it is the end goal. I meant the end goal is a man’s own pleasure right? Women want sex for the sake of looking down a man. This is just sexist. For women, sex is a tool to get what they want from men. It’s not the end goal itself. Again sexist. And also, for some men sex is a tool to get …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 04:22 AM
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I doubt the Centre for Male Psychology cares about that and that would be a self-defeating strategy besides.
/r/MensRights03/09/25 12:32 AM
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I’m a reasonable man. Explain to me why that’s relevant to what I said.
/r/MensRights03/09/25 12:26 AM
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Are you working on a written version?
/r/MensRights02/09/25 08:40 PM
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The point you are missing here is that it has become NORMALIZED for women to attack men My initial point was related to movies and a reason why it has become normalized. I don’t think it’s as normalized in real life as you’re suggesting, but maybe I’m wrong. Maybe it’s different in my society or yours.
/r/MensRights02/09/25 08:07 PM
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Okay... and women tend to have little daggers at the end of their fingers... Nails, which aren’t daggers but more like talons or claws. But ok. I've seen some men get MESSED up by a woman clawing his face with her nails.. Which isn’t a slap, so isn’t relevant. But according to you she is "Less of a threat"? Did you read what I wrote? I said usually, but not always. So your example of a woman clawing wouldn’t be what I was talking about for two reasons, both because clawing isn’t slapping and bot…
/r/MensRights02/09/25 07:47 PM
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Unlike what feminists have preached, men and women are not equal. Men are stronger, taller and heavier. Usually, but not always, a woman slapping a man is less of a threat to the man (particularly if he has self-confidence and self-esteem) and than a man slapping a woman.
/r/MensRights02/09/25 05:52 PM
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You’re conflating a material trade with a psychological one. A material trade is like when you buy stuff from Amazon. You give Amazon money. Amazon gives you a TV. The mutual benefit is primarily material and it doesn’t particularly matter who each of you are as long as you’re not murderers. A psychological trade is like when you’re in a romantic relationship. It’s an exchange of admiration, love, inspiration, accurate validation etc. The mutual benefit is primarily psychological. Who you are an…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 05:01 PM
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You repeatedly saying that is reinforcing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 07:45 AM
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Women do not want to handicap their own sons. That's it, that's the reason. What’s your evidence for this? And what about women who don’t want children yet or at all? She is full of pride and joy, enchanted by her own creation. I mean, yeah because having and raising a child so he can pursue his self-interest better is properly self-interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 07:32 AM
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Putting aside social stuff, I’ll grant that women are innately disadvantaged in life. And therefore equal effort from men and women is different. But whether that means a man being a higher earner in a modern society is very dependent.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 11:39 PM
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No, it’s not saying all of that. The only positive interpretation is that it’s talking about some women, but you’re not claiming that.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 10:57 AM
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“She’s not yours, it’s just your turn.” It means that woman in general are sluts, so her choice of you is both meaningless and temporary. Many men have had their turn (sex) with her and more men will have their turn in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 10:35 AM
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you can spin multiple plates (women) at a time Only someone who only wants sex from women talks about women as if they were plates to spin in multiples. And, you portrayed all women as sluts and incapable of commitment, which would make women only good for sex if that was true.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 10:10 AM
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It’s controversial because it portrays men as only wanting sex, it portrays all women as sluts and it portrays women as being incapable of committing to a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 09:55 AM
1

What was productive about your response?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 08:15 AM
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When you want a productive discussion, feel free to actually respond productively.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 07:56 AM
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If you want a SAHM, then you’re better off with more resources. Also, if two individuals are equally rational and one has an advantage in life, then you’d expect on average for the advantageous one to have been more successful and the disadvantaged one to be less successful. So if you want to be liked for being reasonable by a reasonable woman, then generally that means being wealthier. Though, there are exceptions and you have to avoid gold diggers.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 07:48 AM
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It’s more than men have an inherent advantage in life, particularly in romance. And what do you want to men to do differently given that men are the “prize”?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 07:33 AM
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Your post is an anti-men position that further entrenches the draft. It treats men and women as if their worth is judged by how they serve society. Gross. Just abolish the draft. If you’ve live in a country for long enough and you’ve passed a naturalization test, then you should have suffrage.
/r/MensRights29/08/25 03:39 PM
2

I get it. I care about your inalienable right to life, liberty, property and the pursuit of happiness. But you would oppose mine in the name of “equality”. I am an enemy of your post since your post is against men’s rights on a Men’s Rights Forum r/mensrights
/r/MensRights29/08/25 03:32 PM
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Just because a worthwhile goal can’t be achieved in the near future, that doesn’t mean you should give up on it or act against it. That is unrealistic. And if you don’t support man’s inalienable right to life, liberty, property and the pursuit of happiness, then you are an enemy of men all around the world like the feminists.
/r/MensRights29/08/25 03:23 PM
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I don’t care about the feminist view of equality. I care about man’s inalienable right to life, liberty, property and the pursuit of happiness. The draft is a violation of man’s rights, so it should go. End of story.
/r/MensRights29/08/25 03:00 PM
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Hell no. That’s an anti-men position that further entrenches the draft. It treats men and women as if their worth is judged by how they serve society. Gross. Just abolish the draft. If you’ve live in a country for long enough and you’ve passed a naturalization test, then you should have suffrage.
/r/MensRights29/08/25 02:55 PM
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One, man’s only method of knowledge is choosing to infer from his awareness. Christianity is implicitly against that. There’s no evidence for god and there’s evidence against god. Two, man is an end in himself, not a means to the ends of others. Christianity is explicitly against that, saying man should sacrifice himself for others, for god, for the needy etc. The whole idea of condemning all men for the actions of Adam and Eve is gross, particularly for seeking knowledge of good and evil. Eve s…
/r/MensRights29/08/25 05:28 AM
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Repeating yourself doesn’t make your view more persuasive.
/r/seduction28/08/25 08:18 PM
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Thumbs down. 👎. Not a “truth nuke”. Based on a mistaken, deterministic view of men and women.
/r/seduction28/08/25 08:12 PM
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That’s nonsense. Incels are men who are unsuccessful with women and angry with them. Hopeless romantics don’t get angry with women like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 04:16 PM
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Maybe.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 01:24 PM
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The only way for laws to stop existing is for people to stop supporting them. So yes, if people stop supporting laws that protect against criminals (to presumably commit crimes), then I expect that more crime will be committed.
/r/MensRights28/08/25 01:19 PM
0

“A mouth to feed” is your love, your wife and the mother of your children who you’d likely prefer raises your kids rather than sending them to a daycare while they are young.
/r/MensRights28/08/25 12:18 PM
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So what you’re doing is smearing self-confidence, being goal orientated or career driven and being bold/assertive. None of those things should be called anything negative. None of those are anything negative.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 06:20 AM
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Well they do for me so I expect they do for you. And the same applies to women. And I’m sure you can find examples of women who care about other things besides whether hot girls want the guy.
/r/seduction28/08/25 05:28 AM
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You don’t believe your choices influence the sort of women you’re attracted to do you?
/r/seduction28/08/25 05:24 AM
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Better for what? Not for finding love for achieving happiness.
/r/seduction28/08/25 05:20 AM
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So then you must think most men are unreasonable then? Or most men are children who can’t think for themselves?
/r/MensRights28/08/25 04:22 AM
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If you think it’s better for you to push back against them, then do it. But if you don’t, then don’t do it.
/r/MensRights28/08/25 03:19 AM
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There are absolutely circumstances where it benefits the family for one parent to stay home with the kids. Not just the woman. Ok. But it benefits the woman right? And, men and women benefit from raising their children and men and women benefit from helping their spouse right? I think it’s beneficial to the stay at home parent in that case. And what’s beneficial to the family is beneficial to the stay at home parent. Do you disagree with that? Oftentimes, the dad is definitely better suited. Did…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 02:57 AM
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I disagree in that you seem to be implying it is only beneficial to woman and not man. I’m not implying that at all. You asked about women, so I talked about women. Having and raising children can be beneficial to men and women agree? And, if you agree with that, would you agree there are circumstances where it’s beneficial for one the parents to stay at home with the children while they are young in order to have and raise the children which is beneficial for them both? And, if you agree with t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 02:39 AM
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Having and raising children can be beneficial to a woman’s life. In those cases, often it’s more beneficial for the woman to stay at home while the kids are young than the man since it’s better for their children, though not always. I do think those women should resume their career when the kids are old enough, but if she doesn’t it’s her choice. Do you agree or disagree with this bolded part? If you disagree with this, it would be productive for you to say so.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 02:23 AM
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Just to clarify, I didn’t mean that it was always in a woman’s benefit to do so. But women should do that when it’s in their benefit because it’s in their benefit. Having and raising children can be beneficial to a woman’s life. In those cases, often it’s more beneficial for the woman to stay at home while the kids are young than the man since it’s better for their children, though not always. I do think those women should resume their career when the kids are old enough, but if she doesn’t it’s…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 02:15 AM
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Because domestic work is a Work. It is unpaid labour that a stay at home wife/husband do everyday to give a more confortably life to the higher earning spouse. Unpaid labor? You mean no wages. There’s monetary and non-monetary benefits. The SAHW benefited from her labor, from the money the husband spent on living expenses, from helping her husband and from whatever money the husband gave his wife to buy stuff. She benefited from not having to have a 9-5 if she didn’t want one. If you want to say…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 02:06 AM
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I think if you want a SAHM (like many if not most men do when the kids are young), then that means being the breadwinner and guys should aim for that. And, most men don’t marry bad feminists.
/r/MensRights28/08/25 01:22 AM
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I got impressed how many people struggle to understand the reasons behind these laws and are unable to form a deeper reasoning in order to easily understand that alimony was created to protect the standarts of living of the poorer part of a divorced couple after years of marriage and to finantially protect the part that sacrificed career and earning potencial to be a stay at home wife( or husband) and these people took care of the home and the kids While the richer person of the couple earned mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 11:31 PM
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Well, I would say that men should pursue their rational self-interest as their highest moral purpose. What’s an example of these that men shouldn’t do? Enough of being inclusive of women when women have no problems excluding us. Enough of worrying and sympathizing for others when we are starving for empathy ourselves. Enough of being considerate and understanding towards those who hate you. Enough of giving your money to those who have taken your loyalty for granted.
/r/MensRights27/08/25 11:01 PM
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No marriages? That’s a good way to scare reasonable men away.
/r/MensRights27/08/25 10:54 PM
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Maybe, but so what? Mistaken theories teach mistaken things.
/r/MensRights27/08/25 09:14 PM
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Not sure of your point. You agree that it should be used as a rule of thumb then?
/r/MensRights27/08/25 06:59 PM
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I only consider that a rule of thumb, but women are also less physically capable than men.
/r/MensRights27/08/25 06:22 PM
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Are they really your friends? You could talk to them and ask them for advice. If they’re really your friends they won’t badly make fun of you. So, you could just go for it. Or you could find a way to make it easier on yourself. Ask. Tell the woman you want to kiss her. Go for a cheek kiss first. Don’t take rejection personally. It doesn’t even always mean the woman is rejecting you. She just might not want a kiss then. Also, it’s good to know when she doesn’t like you enough to kiss you. That’s …
/r/seduction27/08/25 06:09 AM
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Because by men stepping up, you mean men conforming to women’s unreasonable standards for them. It’s not helpful to men nor women for men to “step up”.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 01:33 AM
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But the women are at fault, so that doesn’t make any sense. If women aren’t going to improve willingly, then they have to be motivated somehow.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 01:25 AM
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But the single women in the West aren’t interested in them, which is why they go elsewhere. I don’t want to take away women’s rights because that would make it harder for me to know whether a woman is interested in me for me or because there’s some law restricting her options, but that’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make for the greater good.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 01:02 AM
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I mean, it’s the woman in the vid who is saying that Western 10s aren’t interested in the men, so it’s obviously their fault that men have to go elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 12:21 AM
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Get rid of Western women’s rights if they aren’t married to Western men, so Western women have more incentive to attract Western men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 12:07 AM
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Why do you freeze? What’s stopping you? Are you worried about rejection or something?
/r/seduction26/08/25 10:11 PM
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Sometimes you should double text and sometimes you shouldn’t. Whether you should depends on how much you like the woman (including how much she likes you), how long it’s normal for her to respond, how certain you are she has no good reason not to respond (which depends partly on how much she should be expected to like you at that point). Yes, if you have low self-esteem you have to be careful not to be needy, but if you have self-esteem you can usually just trust your feelings. It doesn’t cost m…
/r/seduction26/08/25 06:42 PM
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Are cheating men more likely to be violent? Men blamed on both sides: If a man cheats, he's a selfish dog. If a woman cheats, it's assumed he did something to provoke her to do it. How do you know how likely it is for men to be unfairly blamed more than women? Narratives about desire: In society, men are portrayed as lust-driven animals, while women are depicted as being more in control of their libido (e.g., "men think with their penises" is a popular saying, but "women think with their vaginas…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 06:34 AM
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I think, at least for strangers, the only thing you can do is try to understand their views and either be persuaded by them or end up with them realizing that their views are unsupported or mistaken. Edit: Or they call you a sexist or whatever and move on.
/r/MensRights26/08/25 12:18 AM
2

Cold approach isn’t for everyone one. And, for guys looking for a relationship, it shouldn’t be your primary. Seems like it’s easy to mold yourself to what works with random women instead of being true to your values.
/r/seduction25/08/25 06:02 AM
2

Ah. Well, you could probably ask about it if you wanted including what she means by that and how many guys at that point. But if you’re out then you’re out. I know I almost certainly wouldn’t want to date a woman like that.
/r/seduction24/08/25 05:55 AM
2

Another thing to add is that if you just ask a woman if she is/was promiscuous, you’re saying you think it’s possible she was promiscuous. If you ask a woman who has given you every reason to think she’s not promiscuous and no reason to think that she is, then she will rightly be offended and will know that you’re being driven by fear or insecurity or whatever. So it’s only appropriate to ask if you have some evidence.
/r/seduction24/08/25 05:39 AM
2

If you want a serious relationship, then you don’t. You look to see that she only sleeps with guys she really likes in a relationship now and you pay attention when you talk about past stuff (when it comes up naturally). If there’s then some evidence that she was or is promiscuous, that’s when you ask about it. A body count doesn’t even tell you if she is promiscuous. She could be promiscuous with just having slept with one guy. Or one guy a year. Or she could have been in a meh relationship whe…
/r/seduction24/08/25 05:16 AM
3

Thanks. I hope yours is long and happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 05:02 AM
9

Discontinue the lithium
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 04:48 AM
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Not as much as an idiot as you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 04:10 AM
27

Let’s say you’re a billionaire. And you just spent millions of dollars on a beautiful private yacht, which apparently costs around 10% of the value of the yacht every year in maintenance/operating costs. And then, you go home and propose to your girlfriend with a $20 ring, a ring that you want her to wear for the rest of her life, that’s a symbol of your commitment to her and her commitment to you, that she’s going to see and feel everyday and wear with every outfit, that you’re going to see eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 01:39 AM
3

If you have proper self-esteem you can just express your emotions whatever they are. You don’t have to try and pretend for your lover’s sake. By proper self-esteem I mean that you’re certain that you’re actually competent (from being actually competent) at living/flourishing/happiness and you’re certain you’re worthy (from actually being worthy) of living/flourishing/happiness. Then you can afford to show a temporary weakness to a lover because it’s temporary and superficial.
/r/seduction22/08/25 04:35 AM
-1

Like… what you don’t have arms? The generalization is assuming you have arms. But you expect me to just be your door man 24/7? You and your wife are walking together, about to go through a door, both of you have your hands free to open the door. You are probably stronger, heavier and taller than your wife, which you probably prefer because many men prefer that. One of you has to open it first. You are stronger and taller. Your comfortable walking speed is probably a bit faster. You probably have…
/r/MensRights21/08/25 04:04 AM
4

People are calling for equality between men and women in positions of political and economic power, which in practice ends up meaning putting down men for women. There’s that whole gender pay gap nonsense that went around. There’s men falling behind in education. Men aren’t expected to be ends in themselves, but a means to the ends of others. In so far as men produce more than women, the prevalent opposition to property rights is primarily, but not only, opposition to men. In so far as men prefe…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 07:32 AM
0

I think individuals are better off pursuing sex with someone who shares their highest values and generally worse off for pursuing casual sex. believe that women are devalued, ruined or made impure for having sex with men, and each man she has sex with increases the magnitude of said devaluation or impurity. This is nonsense as written and is insulting to men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 02:58 AM
4

Resistance for me is an utter refusal to engage with anything female owned or run. I won't shop at female owned businesses. I refuse to see female health care practitioners. I don't talk to female sales consultants in stores. They aren't going to make a cent out of me so long as they are getting so much support from the state. I'd rather support a man, because men are more in need. Yeah, this sounds like an example of pushing back in a counterproductive way. It’s pushing back against women inste…
/r/MensRights18/08/25 07:23 PM
85

Because no one has stopped them from getting away with it.
/r/MensRights18/08/25 02:19 PM
1

What post of yours?
/r/MensRights15/08/25 03:58 AM
2

You end modern feminism by supporting what’s objectively moral (your life as your ultimate value or your “God”) and your right to life, liberty, property and the pursuit of happiness. And then you need enough individuals to do the same. Is that what your post says?
/r/MensRights15/08/25 01:21 AM
2

Yah. It’s helpful for depressed guys to understand that avoiding dating for all of their life is usually bad.
/r/MensRights14/08/25 09:15 PM
1

?
/r/MensRights14/08/25 07:52 PM
-4

If your happiness is your highest moral purpose, then pursuing a girlfriend hands down. If you just want to avoid bad stuff possibly happening to you, the negative effect of not pursuing a girlfriend when you have the time is much worse than the risk of a bad girlfriend. And most of the negatives listed are entirely avoidable.
/r/MensRights14/08/25 07:12 PM
4

But I do think the conversation often fails to address that men also have real concerns for their safety as well. But straight men aren’t trying to date men unlike straight women. So yes, you have a point, men are dangerous to men and to women, but I would think that men are more dangerous to reasonable women than they are to reasonable men. Many men grow up feeling their worth is tied only to what they can do, provide, or protect, Your worth to yourself and others is properly related to what yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 12:21 AM
1

That doesn’t explain why most men don’t support a paper abortion and why, probably, most intellectuals don’t support a paper abortion. Politicians will do anything to get elected. If most men supported a paper abortion, then most women would and then politicians would support it in order to get elected.
/r/MensRights13/08/25 06:21 PM
1

It depends on what your goal is. If your goal is a serious relationship with a great woman, then you don’t ask her if she was or is promiscuous unless you have some evidence for it. Otherwise you’re just being driven your insecurities.
/r/seduction12/08/25 09:17 PM
0

No. It’s counterproductive to you. Women can be beneficial to you. Non-sexists can be beneficial to you. Being sexist interferes with your forming a mutually beneficial relationship with them. And it also helps sexists, like misandrists, so it’s harmful to you.
/r/MensRights12/08/25 08:16 PM
1

This has been maddening to me. I understand the psychology behind it, when you want someone it kind of implies you have a “lower value”. That depends on your goal. That’s not how it works for pursuing your flourishing and a serious relationship.
/r/seduction12/08/25 05:55 PM
1

I haven’t made one argument. I have asked you a question to see if how open you’d be to considering that men primarily set up the system. So far, it’s not looking good. And also, even if men primarily set up the system. That doesn’t mean men are primarily to blame.
/r/MensRights12/08/25 05:27 PM
61

Some women just want to complain. And it’s true that it could free them up. But women are still going to want to take BC for the same reason men would want to take BC even if the woman is taking it. You using BC gives you control over whether you impregnate/get pregnant. You’re not reliant on someone else to use it correctly. Also, some people are going to want to double up anyway.
/r/MensRights12/08/25 02:43 PM
1

There’s valid options depending on your goals and style. ASAP seems best for you.
/r/seduction12/08/25 11:55 AM
1

You know, I don’t know if you really care about men’s rights, but I do. And I can tell you that you’re not doing yourself any favors in promoting your view by ignoring my question three times now and by being rude.
/r/MensRights12/08/25 07:06 AM
1

Yeah, I don’t think targeting feminists is going to work. Feminists are implicitly and fundamentally opposed to women’s rights as far as I can tell, never mind men’s rights.
/r/MensRights12/08/25 03:08 AM
4

That it’s further evidence that a man lusting after a body isn’t love.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 09:30 PM
3

I think you misread “secure”. I meant men can orgasm more easily from sex and don’t have to worry as much about rape and pregnancy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 09:13 PM
1

The feminist movement is general against the rights of men and women, particularly the leaders.
/r/MensRights11/08/25 08:14 PM
-7

Unfortunately most men have a rosy eyed view of a teenage boy sleeping with an adult woman, mainly because they think of men as having more control in sex than women (which is generally correct), so they think teenage boys who do it are generally the ones in control and so they aren’t being raped.
/r/MensRights11/08/25 07:29 PM
0

I think if you go into why they lust after woman’s bodies more, it’s because men can orgasm so much more securely from sex than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 07:12 PM
2

u/Dcave65 Normally I’d agree but this is a case where there is a complete and total lack of sympathy or empathy for the oppressed. In fact they are denied their reality, gaslit and the other sex will never see their perspective outside of a few outliers. The only real way to bring about any understanding that would lead to anything close to equality is by taking away the privilege of the oppressors. There’s just no way to fix things like this when half the population is dehumanized the other, ye…
/r/MensRights11/08/25 06:37 PM
1

Different wording, different concept. It’s not particularly productive for you ascribe me saying men are at fault when I didn’t mean that. Do you agree or disagree that men are the ones who primarily have to be persuaded?
/r/MensRights11/08/25 10:58 AM
-1

Sure, but I have made no assumptions and didn’t assume that it’s mens fault. I know men primarily set up the system and men are primarily the ones who have to be persuaded in order for men’s rights to be secured.
/r/MensRights11/08/25 08:29 AM
1

The same goes the other way. If you assume men didn’t primarily set up the system and you act based on that, then your solution is likely to fail.
/r/MensRights11/08/25 05:54 AM
2

Well, if you say you need a job first, then you know your situation best. But men don’t always need a job first. You can often pursue a job and a girl at the same time.
/r/seduction11/08/25 05:20 AM
1

Cold approaching is hard and has low chances of working. Life isn’t ever going to allow you. You gotta put in thought and effort to get what you want.
/r/seduction11/08/25 04:48 AM
0

I didn’t miss your point. I asked you a question which you unfortunately seemed to have missed. What if changing the system to be better for men required acknowledging that it was men who primarily set up the system and so that the only way to change it is for men to change?
/r/MensRights11/08/25 03:42 AM
1

How does focusing on helping men change the system?
/r/MensRights11/08/25 02:40 AM
1

Are you talking about the US? The US gives you a child tax credit when you have a child. It doesn’t objectively define what’s a child support related charge nor enforce a law based on that.
/r/MensRights11/08/25 02:23 AM
1

Ok. And what’s the solution for change besides persuading more people? And what group of people should be focused on? Men or women?
/r/MensRights11/08/25 02:18 AM
1

The issue is defining in law what’s a child support related charge that doesn’t unduly harm innocent parents and children. And then enforcing that law so it doesn’t unduly harm innocent parents and children.
/r/MensRights11/08/25 02:11 AM
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Why are you asking questions assuming what I think needs to be done when I was asking you questions that didn’t express what I think needs to be done? What group do you think persuasion should be focused on to help men? Men or women?
/r/MensRights11/08/25 02:09 AM
1

How do you propose to change the current system? Who should be persuaded first? Feminists?
/r/MensRights11/08/25 02:05 AM
-1

This doesn’t address the issue at all.
/r/MensRights11/08/25 02:03 AM
-13

I didn’t mean women don’t need to change. Let me rephrase what I said. What if changing the system to be better for men required acknowledging that it was men who primarily set up the system and so that the only way to change it is for men to change first? And the only way for men to persuade enough women to support them is for men to change first?
/r/MensRights11/08/25 01:59 AM
0

A health savings account is different than a child expenses account. Medical expenses are relatively easy to define, particularly given that the government licenses doctors and approves of medicines. The issue is doing that for child expenses, particularly since the child’s well-being is dependent on the parent’s well-being.
/r/MensRights11/08/25 01:53 AM
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It’s completely mistaken to try to justify injustice of any sort. However, what if changing the system to be better for men required acknowledging that it was men who primarily set up the system and so that the only way to change it is for men to change?
/r/MensRights11/08/25 12:59 AM
3

I mean that’s what’s best for men and women, in the modern society, is for men and women to choose their own spouses. And I don’t see how anyone could believe otherwise as parents without being unreasonable in a modern society.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 11:01 PM
2

The assumption for many is "men have always had these rights", Where are you getting this? I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone talking about this issue that believed that men always had these rights. Men (visa) 1958 Isn’t this just the time that credit cards got invented? Wouldn’t the more relevant time be all credit transactions? Mortgages, car loans, personal loans, bank accounts (though that’s not a credit transaction). Women: 1978 Isn’t it 1974 with the Equal Credit Opportunity Act? Mortgag…
/r/MensRights10/08/25 10:58 PM
-1

that simply makes it a level playing field. Yeah, violating the rights of women to make things a level playing field is evil and harmful to men.
/r/MensRights10/08/25 10:30 PM
5

If you don’t have a better way for the law to determine what’s needed to support the child and to supervise that the money is being used for the child, this is pointless. What you’re proposing is, in all likelihood, more difficult than you think. But, it’s also something that almost certainly needs to happen at the state level first, so the current federal administration is largely irrelevant.
/r/MensRights10/08/25 08:54 PM
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I don’t understand your response tho, how did you get that from op’s response? “Taking away abortion rights in (some) states isn't descrimination. Men have no rights to a paper abortion so that would make it equality for a woman to not have abortion rights.” Edit: To make that clear. He’s saying it’s equality to violate the rights of women since men’s rights are being violated. That’s like saying it’s equality to enslave white people because black people are enslaved.
/r/MensRights10/08/25 07:01 PM
-15

You sound like the sort of guy who would support slavery for whites in the name of equality instead of opposing slavery for blacks.
/r/MensRights10/08/25 06:02 PM
0

Violence has been going down in general from what I can tell. The issue is that today, choosing an arranged marriage is a sign of being unreasonable given the state of the world. But that’s not necessarily the case 1000 years ago. It’s like being a flat earther today vs being a flat earther 2000 years ago or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 05:20 PM
-13

Look up confirmation bias. If you look for red cars, you’ll see more red cars. If you don’t look for them, you’ll see less. I don’t particularly have examples of either happening. Outlawing abortion in some US states is a blow against women. And r/MensRights is the wrong place to ask for examples given that people here are focused on men’s rights issues. One the one hand, it’s somewhat important to recognize who is the biggest victim. Presumably, other people are valuable to you, including frien…
/r/MensRights10/08/25 05:12 PM
0

Yeah. Though, I don’t know how relevant that is historically. When most or all marriages are arranged.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 04:37 PM
44

And I forgot… laws where it was impossible to rape your wife were “women centric”? Women often having to turn to prostitution if their husband died or left them was “women centric”? Women weren’t taken care of at home. They worked at home. Most men weren’t rich enough to support a woman who didn’t work at home. And women likely died in childbirth. I think you have rosy eyed view of arranged marriages. I don’t know what you mean by property of the state and likely to die at any time, but women we…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 08:04 AM
46

So coverture laws were “women centric”? Upon marriage, a woman became a feme covert (covered woman), meaning she could not own property, sign contracts, earn wages, or sue/be sued in her own name. Instead, her husband had legal control over her property, income, and even certain personal decisions. Polygamy was “women centric”? Promoting women obey men like men obey God is “women centric”? My boy Aristotle, as great as he was, calling women as naturally subordinate to men was “women centric”? Me…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 07:43 AM
1

I’m blocking you. Get help.
/r/MensRights10/08/25 05:34 AM
1

No, I’m mean the actual OP. You accused me of victim blaming when I was talking to the OP and examples like the OPs. So please explain where I was specifically talking about examples like yours.
/r/MensRights10/08/25 05:24 AM
1

Please explain where the OP talked about legal troubles and please explain where I specifically mentioned legal troubles. And also, please explain how the legal system is going to change
/r/MensRights10/08/25 05:08 AM
1

I’m sorry to hear that. But that doesn’t give you any excuse to trauma dump and accuse me of victim blaming. The fact of the matter is that many people men and women don’t respect men. And the only way for men to change that is to stand up for themselves. And the reason that hasn’t changed is because men haven’t stood up for themselves enough.
/r/MensRights10/08/25 03:56 AM
-22

Many women do take no for an answer. You have to be careful not to generalize about women like some women falsely generalize about men. If there’s too many women who don’t take no for an answer, it’s because not enough guys stand up for their rational self-interest.
/r/MensRights09/08/25 10:34 PM
3

When you’re honestly not sure that being selective is the most useful for your happiness. That’s usually can only occur when you’re young. Personally, I’ve never had a promiscuous phase.
/r/seduction09/08/25 07:44 PM
1

Or a low view of themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 04:00 PM
2

It depends on the man
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 02:35 AM
3

A woman who shares the highest of a man’s important values.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 02:29 AM
5

I don’t know. Men who sleep with lots of women have a low view of women, which is why they substitute quality with quantity, and I think that generally tends to being a player or womanizer.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 02:24 AM
4

So, if you’re going to point to women’s rights being violated fair enough, but that’s a separate issue. And, if women should stand primarily for rights that affect them, then men should also stand for issues that primarily affect them. Men are required to pay child support even if they didn’t want the child. This doesn’t apply in the same way to women where abortion is legal because women who have children where abortion is legal only do so when they want the child. And people who have children …
/r/MensRights07/08/25 04:41 AM
11

You can’t give up child support obligations in many countries.
/r/MensRights07/08/25 04:31 AM
-2

Not answering a relevant question to a person you’re having a discussion is pointless at least.
/r/MensRights07/08/25 01:20 AM
-6

So you don’t think there are any examples like I’m talking about?
/r/MensRights06/08/25 10:45 PM
-2

I don’t think you can define a woman into being a terrible mother like that. I’m sure you can find examples of children who were raised well when their mother committed paternity fraud
/r/MensRights06/08/25 10:30 PM
1

What many? I don’t know how many men are hypocrites about this issue online, never mind in the general population.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 09:57 PM
1

It can be. And I would hope my body my choice means doing whatever you want to your body regardless of how harmful it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 09:53 PM
0

So you’re asking about why hypocrites are hypocrites? And I don’t know what percentage of men are defending that garbage. Why did you ask me about women talking about bad dates? How’s that related to defamation or doxxing?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 08:54 PM
3

I think the regardless of the existence of hypocrisy among some, defamation isn’t free speech. And I don’t know what information is/was being shared on either of those places, but sharing some information isn’t free speech either.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 08:36 PM
-5

Yeah, that would be wrong. There are crimes that justify locking up a parent where that puts a child in a foster home, but I’m not sure paternity fraud is one of them. Maybe it is.
/r/MensRights06/08/25 08:18 PM
-47

Women should be punished, but what should happen to the woman’s son or daughter? Maybe the jail time shouldn’t be served until after the child is 18?
/r/MensRights06/08/25 07:53 AM
3

I don’t even know what sort of proof you could provide me, but that doesn’t show that you can’t access the website with a VPN or Tor. And, you’re not talking about banning one app, but any sort of app that can be used for dating. And the US couldn’t simply commit crimes against American citizen to make some men feel better. That would be a clear first amendment violation.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 07:08 AM
2

Oh yeah? Evidence they’ve all been closed? Including using TikTok in a browser?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 06:39 AM
5

When I said it wasn’t going to be easy, I meant it wasn’t going to be easy without violating more rights. And two, a Google search seems to give you ways around the ban. And three, it’s a violation of rights to threaten your fellow men and women with jail time to stop them from producing and using a dating app.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 06:10 AM
2

What’s your home country?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 05:47 AM
3

That would be a violation of individual rights. So no, it wouldn’t be in men’s interest to have the government further violate rights. And I don’t think this is as easy a solution as you’re making it sound. What are you going to do? Ban the app from being downloadable in the US? So people just use a VPN to download it from elsewhere? Are you going to make it illegal to use? So now the government has to somehow track what apps people are using on their phone? Edit: Or apps become browser based (w…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 05:37 AM
1

Sure, if by living by a human you mean someone choosing his life as his ultimate goal. If not, then I don’t know what that means.
/r/MensRights05/08/25 03:33 PM
-1

But why? What do men do once that’s done?
/r/MensRights05/08/25 03:20 PM
2

Well, the fundamental issue is what’s man’s proper ultimate goal? What ultimate goal should men help other men with?
/r/MensRights05/08/25 12:04 AM
7

Are you serious? Or are you trying to rile up men who complain but aren’t interested in any solutions?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 08:31 PM
1

Do you remember the context in which you brought up the term career woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 04:00 PM
0

They both have careers. Their careers are in a similar field.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 03:44 PM
1

Everything single thing is different from another, so yes you found some differences. Now what are some similarities for the context?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 03:16 PM
1

Where’s the poll? The link doesn’t directly lead to it. The people who see a Twitter post aren’t representative of the larger population. Eigen’s audience might tend to prefer women with smaller breasts and Asians or whatever. Saori is a former idol and she looks young. They both have equivalent careers. Personally, Sydney is not my type even if she’s hot and I would date her. Many men are aware of how posed and made-up Sydney is in that photo, so they can take that into consideration. Though Sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 02:56 PM
0

Me stating that he seems off is not in anyway a false accusation. And yes, his female coworker seems off as well. And you completely ignored the second part of my comment.
/r/MensRights03/08/25 02:25 PM
4

He seems off. An engaged woman, who was pregnant at some point, shouldn’t generally be touching another man like that. And his politics are awful from what I know of him.
/r/MensRights03/08/25 02:16 PM
1

That ain’t going to happen. Then they more than likely wouldn’t be red pill. I haven’t looked into the family court claims, but what happens is generally that men don’t fight for custody as much or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 10:36 PM
5

As long as people accept that men generally do more of the providing for part of parenting, then ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 10:01 PM
5

And I specifically said “some unreasonable conception of “patriarchy””. I was talking about yours as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 09:20 PM
6

Sure, you can do whatever you want, but it’s not dismantling “patriarchy”. It’s just you doing what you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 09:06 PM
5

The patriarchy wins if you date a bisexual woman in order to dismantle some unreasonable conception of “patriarchy”.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 08:55 PM
1

Are you saying that because there is free will that our biological programming doesn't really matter? So, I don’t even know if the OP was talking about biological programming. So, this is just a potential disagreement with you. I don’t know what all biological programming you think exists. I’m saying that it’s likely that some of the biological programming you think exists is in fact the result of choices. And also, people often choose based on facts about themselves and facts of the things arou…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 07:39 PM
1

Are you saying that’s what’s best for me is a matter of my feelings? And therefore what’s best for men is a matter of their feelings? Are you saying that men should act against what’s best for themselves because it goes against the majority? If not I want what’s best for myself. And that means a good standard applied consistently not a bad standard applied consistently. If a bad standard is used for DV stats for women, then it doesn’t help me to take that standard and apply it to men.
/r/MensRights02/08/25 02:42 PM
1

All I want is what’s best for myself. And that means a good standard applied consistently not a bad standard applied consistently. If a bad standard is used for DV stats for women, then it doesn’t help me to take that standard and apply it to men.
/r/MensRights02/08/25 01:09 PM
1

Ok. Well, if you want to think of psychological harm as domestic violence or violence, then go ahead. But it’s not.
/r/MensRights02/08/25 12:32 AM
1

Huh? So what if Western institutions define IPV that way? You trust everything they do? What does that have to do with the fact that it’s useless. Like, let’s say for example that men and women both commit ipv at the same rates, but for men it’s all rape and for women it’s all harming men psychologically. In that case, saying that men and women both commit IPV at the same rates is deceptive. It’s not an apples to apples comparison.
/r/MensRights01/08/25 10:00 PM
1

Physical strength does matter a lot in an attacker and defender scenario. Most people don’t carry around weapons that can equalize the situation.
/r/MensRights01/08/25 07:00 PM
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The first half was sarcastic as well in response to your silly questions.
/r/MensRights01/08/25 06:29 PM
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You talking about something like a gun? You don’t actually believe those exist do you? I tried one at a shooting range once. I don’t know how the shooting range did it, but it somehow put holes in the paper where I was aiming.
/r/MensRights01/08/25 06:01 PM
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In this research, we adopt the definition of intimate partner violence set out in the National Plan as: Any behaviour within an intimate relationship (including current or past marriages, domestic partnerships or dates) that causes physical, sexual or psychological harm ... Intimate partner violence can occur outside of a domestic setting, such as in public, and between 2 people that do not live together. (DSS, 2022, p 37) Grouping psychological harm with rape is completely misleading. The stats…
/r/MensRights01/08/25 04:50 PM
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So like, instead of bringing up one example of an ancient concept that man is made of like the OP, you appeal to a field with people who make all sorts of claims while denying fundamental facts in psychology, like free will.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 02:37 PM
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Are kids objectively worse off in single parent households where the other parent is an abuser? Or are they better off in a single parent household where the better parent can get child support from the abuser and also have the option to find a new partner to help raise the child?
/r/MensRights01/08/25 04:10 AM
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What? How is making it more difficult for better parents to get money from awful parents a net win for kids? It’s the opposite.
/r/MensRights01/08/25 03:57 AM
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No. Hold someone responsible for their choices, not for the fact that they have the same genitals as someone else who made bad choices. Being sexist is counterproductive in a few ways. It deprives you of people who would be beneficial to you, it deprives them of you and helps sexists who are harmful to you.
/r/MensRights01/08/25 03:21 AM
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If you or him was talking about man-made concepts based on facts, then you’d mention them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 02:00 AM
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She’s not worth it. No one who was interested in an actual relationship with you would be too busy to ghost you for that long without a good explanation.
/r/MensRights01/08/25 01:47 AM
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It would be harder for men to have a great relationship with a woman, since they couldn’t abort a fetus in the case of an accidental pregnancy. And it cause good children and women to suffer since dead beat father’s won’t have to pay child support, that would indirectly hurt the better men who value those women as relatives or friends or romantic partners.
/r/MensRights01/08/25 12:47 AM
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Blue Pill (or The Blue Pill) (usually abbreviated as BP to distinguish from the sub of the same name denoted as TBP) To BPers, "blue pill" is basically disagreeing with TRP, usually with its stance on women, relationships, and/or science. Generally by agreeing with societies mainstream view of these matters (hence, the blue pill). There's no set philosophy or goal other than disagreeing with RPers, so r/TheRedPill and r/TheBluePill shouldn't be seen as two contrasting ideologies so much as one s…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 09:30 PM
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You don’t protect people from their government by allowing the government to violate the rights of more people. Edit: He blocked me.
/r/MensRights30/07/25 06:07 PM
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I didn’t expect to hear a common feminist point here. The weakest man is stronger than the weakest woman. The strongest man is stronger than the strongest woman. The average man is stronger than the average woman. Men are stronger than women.
/r/MensRights30/07/25 05:25 PM
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lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 04:01 PM
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The point is based on the fact the men are bigger, stronger and more aggressive than women. So men hating women have more power to hurt women than women hating men. And men have more power to defend themselves.
/r/MensRights30/07/25 03:27 PM
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Suicide is not the biggest killer of men.
/r/MensRights30/07/25 03:22 PM
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There’s no need to be rude man. You’re treating women as the same as men in combat situations. Like, women are the same as men, so adding more women is the same as adding more men. And the herd defense is for prey animals to protect themselves from predators, not for men to win wars against men. Men are better off if women aren’t in combat roles. And men are better off if the non-combat roles are filled by volunteers. And the injustice of conscription doesn’t get better by committing it against …
/r/MensRights30/07/25 02:44 PM
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Though there shouldn’t be conscription, you understand that if there is that it’s better for men if it’s men only right?
/r/MensRights30/07/25 07:18 AM
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They don’t feel safe around anyone who isn’t one of their trained seals. Edit: And it’s technically right, that is men that don’t just obey are a danger to their ideas.
/r/MensRights30/07/25 06:49 AM
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Nothing stopping you from changing your flair to something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 03:27 AM
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You don’t sound alright. You alright?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 02:38 AM
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Yeah, I saw that too.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 12:34 AM
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I’m going to pursue what’s best for my life. I recommend you and everyone else do the same. And that’s the best way for individuals to improve their lives, which would indirectly make the dating scene better for people’s lives. Concepts are man-made. I’m certainly not going to follow man-made roles and man-made concepts that you want because you believe they are bigger than you. I will make use concepts that are accurate and beneficial to my life. Now, if you want to explain why doing something …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 12:33 AM
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Yeah, it sucks that men won’t stand up for themselves more. I think part of the issue is that there are issues that directly affect all men lives that men won’t stand up for either, so it’s no surprise that it’s hard to get men to stand up for issues only directly affect a smaller number.
/r/MensRights29/07/25 07:22 PM
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Yeah, like I can see that maybe not enough people standing up for gender equality are standing against male conscription and many hate men, but there are some who do stand up against male conscription.
/r/MensRights29/07/25 06:45 PM
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Here’s an article against the screening that is probably talking about the same thing. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/06/12/german-national-service-plan-discriminates-against-men/
/r/MensRights29/07/25 05:47 PM
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Some truth, some falsehood. The major issue is that he doesn’t seem to view man as an end in himself, but a means to others. And he seems to oppose man’s right to life, liberty, property and the pursuit of happiness given his opposition to liberalism.
/r/MensRights29/07/25 09:05 AM
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What are trans rights?
/r/MensRights29/07/25 06:28 AM
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You seem to support determinism which is false. You support unconditional love which isn’t love. You seem to oppose that I should pursue the goals necessary for my life as my highest purpose. You don’t seem the difference between a gold digger and woman who loves you for being competent, which is an important part of you. You don’t seem to understand how the fundamental differences between men and women change how they love each other and how historical context has influenced that. You don’t see…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 06:11 AM
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I don’t know where you can get stats. Let me know if you got any useful ones. But even the stats aren’t as useful as they seem. Because the chances could be higher or lower for you given your choices like how you choose to interact with women and what sort of women you choose to interact with. It’s like how people who swim in the sea have a higher chance of being bit by a shark than people who never swim.
/r/MensRights29/07/25 04:59 AM
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The court doesn’t prove accusations false. It just means the man wasn’t found guilty by the court. Maybe he was guilty, maybe he wasn’t. Maybe the woman falsely accused him. Maybe she didn’t.
/r/MensRights29/07/25 04:49 AM
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Maybe? If you say traditional masculinity is men sacrificing women for god and feminist masculinity is men sacrificing themselves for women, then trad was less self-destructive when it was reasonable to believe in god. But, it is no longer reasonable to believe in god, so trad masculinity now is just men sacrificing women to themselves, which is more self-destructive than men sacrificing themselves for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 06:26 PM
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Q4M: When you hear women say they want to feel "protected", what does that mean to you? That women are physically weaker than half the population, that that weakness gives them a disadvantage in physical action and self-defense, that they want a member of the physically stronger half to use their strength for their benefit (which can be fine). Also, most women want a more dominant man in the bedroom as far as I know. I don't think men are doing a great job at this, Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 05:16 PM
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Why did you ask men if you didn’t want men to answer?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 12:29 AM
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What is the point of dating or getting into a committed relationship with men? A great lover is great. It seems like all men are just settling for what they can get at the moment. Nope. Men consistently tell their woman not to be insecure about porn, thirst traps on social media, exes and other women they’re friends with. What percentage of men? Why do men (spare me the “men are not a monolith” rhetoric. I’m speaking in generalities) think these actions wouldn’t make the woman they’re with insec…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 12:22 AM
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Which study is the first quote from? The point is that men generally take the initiative all else being equal, fundamentally in the relationship and overall. It sounds like it’s looking at situations where knowledge/interest is asymmetric, that is where a woman knows she’s interested in a man before the man knows he’s interested in her. And it doesn’t sound like it’s taking into account the power differential between men and women and how people act given knowledge of that difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 11:08 PM
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You realize this argument works both ways right with regards to dating being hard for men. Even if 1% of men had a hard time dating, you’d still see a huge number of men having a hard time.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 04:20 PM
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You’re right. But the men who are complaining about how hard dating is for men would rather blame it on being men than their individual circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 04:19 PM
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Yeah, a typical red pill assumption.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 04:07 PM
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So like, you get to say what men need to do and what men must do and what we must do when it comes to your suicidal goals but I’m not allowed to say what we must do when it comes to living and achieving happiness? Why is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 07:39 AM
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Nope. We must not follow your suicidal goals for whatever suicidal goal you’ve yet to name.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 07:01 AM
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Nah, I’m not going to act against my life and happiness for your unnamed goals. Besides that no one is going to do it, what you’re proposing is counter productive to actually helping men live and achieve happiness even if they did.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 04:40 AM
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Yes, but that was only one of my points.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 05:59 AM
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Also, people change. A product stays the same and they usually let you know when they change it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 05:53 AM
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Yes, but reviewing products is relatively easy and you can expect people to be relatively reasonable in reviewing them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 05:50 AM
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Your questions are unclear.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 05:27 AM
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I don’t know if the Tea App will be helpful, but I imagine the issue is that it just lets any woman post whatever. But, I don’t think you can trust the opinions of the sort of women who would post there just like you can’t trust many of the opinions of men complaining online about dating. You’d need some sort of way to verify that a review is reasonable, but I don’t see how you could do that. It’s not that all measures are necessarily failures, but that it’s hard to identify what’s an objectivel…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 09:43 AM
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Explain how many involuntarily single men there are, how many involuntarily single women there are and how you know this.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 07:54 PM
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Initiating ISN’T choosing. It’s saying “hey pick me pick me”. Maybe this is what it means for you to choose to initiate (which is sad), but it’s not what it means for me or all men. Any man with a bit of agency and self-respect continually chooses to be with a woman. For me, the first initiation means I’m interested enough in the woman to choose to speak with her or ask her on a date. That’s it. If I find out I don’t like her, then I’m going to choose to leave regardless of whether she wants to …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 03:17 AM
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You have an example where men say absolutely all women? I would believe that some women do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 11:19 PM
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Men (esp the ones here) have these wildly self important attitudes that enable them to believe every woman who wants to sleep with them must also be secretly in love with him. You have one example?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 11:12 PM
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What does that have to do with anything? If that was the point of your OP, then your OP doesn’t convey your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 06:46 PM
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Do you mean how can you teach people to minimize the number of criminals? There’s stuff that could be done differently for that, but I don’t think you can ever get rid of criminals and honest men can already know that no means no.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 06:22 PM
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Well first you’d have to explain why hedonism and “me first me first” are the same thing as “a woman’s highest moral purpose is what’s objectively necessary for her life”
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 11:44 AM
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Why are human rights axiomatic? They aren’t as far as I know. They are an application of morality or ethics to the use of force or government. I didn’t say I don’t believe humans should have rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 09:26 PM
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"Feel cucked" is the wrong framing, men want to be desired by their woman more than any other man. It's that simple. Ok. Many women want this to. It’s a human thing. But that’s not why reasonable men are angry. Sure, there are more men and women who are promiscuous than they should be, but it’s not really anything to get angry about. Maybe for a short while. There are so many stories of married men finding out that their wife was a party girl in her younger years, doing all kinds of crazy stuff …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 07:25 PM
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She’s awful and treated you awfully. But are you saying this is a woman who supports what’s objectively best for her life?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 04:56 PM
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I just realized that this is also a bit beside the point. Because I was specifically talking about the moral code or ethics of feminists and not just their political views.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 04:42 PM
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Ok. But how is this an example of a woman who supports what’s objectively best for her life and is a feminist?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 04:40 PM
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And you need a morality to justify why human beings should have rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 04:30 PM
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Ok. I highly suspect you’re mistaken. You can provide some evidence of their views if you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 04:29 PM
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I see. But I highly doubt they mean what I mean by a woman taking care of herself. Edit: And I highly suspect they’d oppose what I mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 04:18 PM
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Which mentality?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 04:15 PM
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To argue that women should have a base level of freedom to make their own decisions and the civil rights to support that freedom, you need a morality to explain why women should have that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 04:12 PM
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How do you know she supported what’s objectively best for her life? Not liking you because her boyfriend couldn’t get over you sounds obviously objectively harmful to her life.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 04:07 PM
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What I said? Feminists generally believe that a woman should be altruistic ie serve others, making a woman a means to others and not an end in herself. I’m sure there are some feminists who support hedonism, women doing whatever they feel like.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 04:03 PM
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Those men are bad sure. But then, I’ve never met a feminist who fundamentally supports women, that is a feminist who believed that a woman is an end in herself and that a woman’s highest moral purpose is her happiness and what’s objectively best for her life. And the people I’ve met who support that don’t call themselves feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 03:57 PM
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Women are socially fluid. They deliberately fit into a mold given by the authority, their partners, people who have influence over them overall. Men do this enough that it’s mistaken to say women are like this. This is something some humans do. When you bring the word hypergamy on the table they will object and say it doesn’t exist, but if you say women will date a man at least on their level minimum they will nod along. A woman dating someone on her level isn’t hypergamy, partly because not all…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 03:07 PM
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Well, you see women would call your support for casual sex an aversion to sex. That is, sex is something that’s best for them with a man who shares their highest values in an exclusive relationship, which doesn’t alway mean marriage. Yeah, there are puritans (men and women) who have an aversion to sex due to their religion.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 03:44 PM
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If you don’t think politicians have ever successfully pushed policies to skim money then you’re too ignorant to have this discussion with.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 04:23 PM
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You gotta do better than that. You asked for when and I told you when.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 04:20 PM
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When the people vote for it or when politicians can skim money off the top.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 04:13 PM
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Well, I think there are relationship chatbots that you need to pay for and I wouldn’t be surprised if they were better than the free ones. Or if they end up better than the free ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 04:08 PM
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Struggling with dating isn’t a mental illness. And the government shouldn’t fund treatment for mental illness.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 03:59 PM
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There should be a way to make prostitution legal. But why in the world should the government fund chatbots? These single, childless guys can get a job and pay for their own chatbots.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 03:35 PM
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Multiple men told me that going on tinder to find a new man to live with is a realistic solution for women experiencing abuse. If you broaden that to all dating apps, then maybe a woman could make it work if she didn’t have any other options. But it would involve more like finding a guy good enough to date rather than looking for an altruist or a sleezeball (someone who would accept sex as payment in that situation).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 09:41 PM
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np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/zfXJ8Kyep7
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 08:31 PM
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Women are generally more sociable (whether by nature or nurture), meaning that they form and cultivate platonic relationships easier and don't have to rely on romantic connections. Or by choice, but none of that means it easier for women to be successful in dating, specifically a great romantic relationship. Women have the benefit of using makeup, Men have it easier, so they generally weigh physical attractiveness as more important, so women can take advantage of that with makeup. Women get to p…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 04:45 PM
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In dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 04:26 PM
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Men are bigger, stronger, heavier, which makes it easier for them to act in general (including in self-defense). They are generally wealthier. Men can orgasm more easily in sex. Men can’t get pregnant from sex. Men can have children more easily later in life. And that’s putting aside any inherent psychological differences that make it’s easier for men to initiate, like if men are inherently more aggressive.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 04:04 PM
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Where did you even imply that you were interested in an explanation such that I’m still not explaining?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 03:58 PM
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Men approach because if they don't, almost no one would ever date. Because women do in fact have it harder, so it’s harder for them to approach, so they aren’t going to approach generally when they know men have it easier. So yes, if men don’t approach when they have it easier then they can’t expect women to approach when women have it harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 03:54 PM
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One, you ignored my main point, which isn’t conducive to a productive discussion. Two, you repeating yourself doesn’t change that it’s just vibes.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 03:52 PM
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Getting free attention from strangers might not be ideal but fundamentally it makes things easier again it might not be an appealing way but it still makes the process of finding a partner much more easier, The issue is you’re downplaying the costs of dealing with bad men and you’re ignoring the reason that women get more attention from strangers. The reason women get more attention from strangers is because men have it easier, so it’s easier for them to approach strangers, so they do in fact ap…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 03:46 PM
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Non-verbal consent is a thing. Plenty of men and women have had sex with each other without verbally consenting. Mainly, it happens with people who are somewhat familiar with each other. Your club setting example is irrelevant because of course you can find examples where a man does something to a woman without her consent and vice versa, particularly when they are perfect strangers.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 07:27 AM
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If women were truly naturally submissive, Women are only naturally “submissive” or something similar in the sense that men have the natural advantage in physical action and in sex. And when two people are working together towards some goal and when one has the advantage in achieving that goal, then its better for both to achieve the goal if the one with the advantage takes the lead and the one at a disadvantage follows. But men and women have free will and are born ignorant, so they don’t inhere…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 09:34 PM
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You can’t get the male experience here. You’re only going to get the experience that males on PPD who are willing to respond will say they have.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 07:30 PM
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I changed my preferences three times due to shaming from women just while writing this comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 01:11 AM
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Men who demand traditionalism and submissiveness from women without being competent himself will never deserve it and should not get it. Agreed, if you’re talking about the better women. In RPW, we tell women to be exceedingly shrewd about vetting men BEFORE submitting to him, which is how it should be. I’m not saying she should treat a man like shit, but why should women—any woman—follow what a man has to say if he has not proven that he can make good decisions? Why should she put herself in a …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 06:26 PM
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No, you didn’t give me your evidence for your claim. Later.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 10:10 AM
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What’s your evidence? And the existence of some matriarchal hunter/gatherer societies doesn’t disprove my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 10:01 AM
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Women, which would you rather be stuck with in a post apocalyptic scenario, a bear or a man? Trick question, you’re going to have to deal with both the bears and the monstrous men. The experiment has already been run and the results are in. If the female body was better suited for survival in harsh conditions, women would have ruled the world and we would have had meninists fighting to overthrow the matriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 09:43 AM
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If sex is something to a man that he just needs to get out of his system, which is a pretty sad view of sex, then he’s better off masturbating than all the problems and risks of cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 07:13 AM
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But you could do the cost-benefit analysis and decide that it’s ok for them to cheat?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 05:11 AM
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Are you married, in a dead bedroom, where you’re the breadwinner? If so, I can tell you’re better off losing half your money and finding someone you can have a real relationship. It’s just money.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 05:05 AM
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Because what she means by the princess treatment is different guys she just met simultaneously buying her stuff for her for her just existing. In her own words. “I didn’t have to, like, do anything. Literally, I just existed.”
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 06:45 PM
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Nah, the Red Pill is a set of misogynistic and implicitly misandrist views around dating masquerading as truth. Glad we got that out of the way. Guys who ask for proof aren’t asking in good faith. If they actually cared about evidence, they’d go look the stuff the Red Pill espouses.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 06:35 AM
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There is nothing special about "men's and women's choices in dating" that lifts it out of the realm of mostly bog-standard animal behavior and the study of sexual selection, which has gone on since, well, Darwin. So, you’re the type that wants to believe that the fact that you can choose to think, gain knowledge and choose values is irrelevant to your sexual selection?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 10:19 AM
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So like, every time you get something wrong, you just ignore it and say something else wrong? You say, I think you don’t know where the name comes from. Wrong. You say, I think you haven’t watched the whole movie. Wrong. You say, my post doesn’t address the core arguments as if the reason I said it was to address your core arguments. Wrong. And now, you’re just going to post some definition of some word as if that’s relevant to the discussion? Critical thinking is garbage if that’s what you’re d…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 10:08 AM
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You’re focusing on dissecting individual phrases instead of addressing the core argument. Dude, you like forgot the line of discussion. I wasn’t addressing your core argument here nor did I ever say that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 09:28 AM
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I don't think you've fully understood or seen the whole Matrix or the scene itself because it's exactly about the Matrix, which is not real, which is fake, where people live in lies, and the Red Pill is what opens their eyes.. Then you’re just wrong for the second time. First you thought I didn’t know where the name came from. Now you think I haven’t seen the whole movie. Learn not to make leaps of faith it’s really not productive. You waste your time making explanations from views about me that…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 08:35 AM
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I don't think you know where the name "Red Pill" itself comes from. So it’s not from The Matrix? And what does a name that can be confused with almost nothing have to do with how flawed the "movement" is ? The name says nothing about what red pillers actually believe in. It applies to anyone who believes they learned some views they were taught are false and learned new views. Like every single teenager throughout history. I don't think you're talking about the "real" "original" Red Pill theory.…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 07:59 AM
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A lot of people throw around the term "Red Pill" without really understanding what it is. That’s what you get when a movement is named so badly. And the fact that the movement is named so badly is good evidence that the movement is seriously flawed. The actual Red Pill is about waking up to reality. It’s about seeing people and the world for how they actually are, not how we’ve been taught to believe they are. That includes: No, it’s more like switching one set of falsehoods for another. And tho…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 07:36 AM
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For healthy individuals in normal circumstances, the pursuit of love is necessary for your life. That is a good lover is so beneficial for your life that if you’re not pursuing it then you’re not pursuing what’s necessary for your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 05:37 PM
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This makes it evident men want women more than women want men. Men can more easily pursue women than vice versa, so more men do (particularly for casual sex which is popular on dating apps). It’s just that simple. Most guys also have entitled selfish personalities If most guys do this, then so do most women. Neither sex is inherently morally superior to the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 03:56 AM
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Sex is sacred, in a secular, non-supernatural way. And the purpose of autonomy is so you can pursue important stuff like sex. Autonomy isn’t an end in itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 09:18 PM
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That’s good. Don’t know why you were responding me to then.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 09:14 PM
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You agree with the OP about sex not being special?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/25 07:41 AM
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Are you asking whether men would tolerate some negative things no matter how long the relationship lasts or whether they’d tolerate it temporarily with the expectation that the woman would change?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 07:58 PM
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Nope. This is just a hasty generalization that relies on men being morally superior to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 06:15 PM
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The same thing applies to social media. The men who are bad at problem solving and who aren’t willing to learn are probably exactly the type of men to complain, usually anonymously, on social media. Speaking personally, I have relationship problems and I consider myself ok at problem solving, but I don’t come onto social media to complain about it. And, if I did, it would be to vent temporarily before I went and solved the problem. And, the bad problem solvers are going to be looking for influen…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 02:17 AM
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Men who complain are this sub aren’t representative of the larger population of men. That is, the men who tend to be bad problem solvers are probably exactly the type of men who tend to come and complain on this sub. Men who are good at problem solving probably do not come to this sub to complain about their issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 01:55 AM
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I’ve realized that a lot of men complain about relationship issues but never bring up solutions that are reasonable to be successful in relationships. How do you know that it’s enough men to justify saying a lot? You know it’s the sort of thing where the men who complain tend to be the men who aren’t good problem solvers in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 01:07 AM
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Yeah, I’m judging them. But it’s not useful to pronounce judgment in many cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 07:02 AM
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Probably? Certainly. Even Trump would have a better life if he didn’t commit felonies.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 11:15 AM
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I would highly recommend you don’t try the felon lifestyle with the belief that it will work for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 10:46 AM
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And a high functioning autistic man has a higher chance of having a better life and a better girlfriend than a felon. What you’re doing is exactly equivalent to women who say all men are evil but you’re instead implying that all girlfriends are good.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 08:14 AM
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Do you have an example you can share?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 12:16 AM
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I think this explained by the fact that men watch porn more and it’s not directly comparable to smut.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 11:12 PM
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Personally, I think it’s self-destructive in most circumstances that men engage in it. And then there are issues with the prostitution industry for women itself and enabling that industry. What if they are disabled, divorced,have a dead bedroom or are single? Let’s put being disabled aside, that’s an entirely different issue than the others. Why is going on tinder and using charisma to win over someone for a one night stand the noble thing to do It’s not particularly, but it’s better to find som…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 09:52 PM
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Women have the disadvantage when physically acting and when having sex in comparison to men. Having the disadvantaged party take the initiative is worse for both parties. The good analogy to use is partner dancing. It’s easier for men and women to dance together if the men take the lead. Men are heavier and stronger, so they can more easily physically coordinate their motions. Men are taller, so they can see the dance floor better to dance around other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 05:39 PM
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Good answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 07:38 PM
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Did you forget the part you were disagreeing about? I said women can’t chase as easily. You disagreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 03:50 PM
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So you think women are just as good at protecting? Interesting. Why would the people who carry a child inside of them for 9 months not be able to protect it? Huh? Sure, women can do that. But what does that have to do with women being as good protectors as men? You do understand that men are bigger and stronger than women right? So that makes it easier for them to fight other humans and animals?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 03:42 PM
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They can. They just want you to think they can't. So you think women are just as good at protecting? Interesting. This isn't chasing. Chasing implies you putting in alot of effort to keep her interested and doing things you normally wouldn't do. Ok. I don’t know what this means exactly. Your post isn’t particularly useful if you don’t explain what you mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 03:30 PM
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Why would a “provider” and “protector” chase people to provide for and protect? Just on its face, it makes no sense. Because women are valuable to you and you have the ability to chase (due to your resources and ability to protect yourself) at little to no risk to yourself. Women can’t chase as easily. they insist on chasing women and inflating their egos purely based on their physical appearance. If you chase women because of how they look, why would they not end up feeling entitled? Sure, some…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 02:56 PM
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Men didn’t get scapegoated. Men have had more power historically, so they are more responsible for “purity” culture against both men and women. Even today, more men oppose abortion (which indirectly supports “purity” culture) than women. If you want to say some men of today are too often unfairly blamed, then ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 08:00 PM
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In this clip a woman is sitting alone by herself with a caption that says, ”Being a woman is hard, imagine rejecting more than 50 men only to choose the wrong one again” I’m not speaking about this particular case, but you do understand that individuals can make good or bad choices for themselves and that some individuals do make bad choices for themselves, so that the only way for them to fix their problem is for them to choose better? Q4M: Does “Choose better” assume there’s an abundance of go…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 04:24 PM
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The issue with traditional gender roles is that they are flawed for individuals to achieve happiness, which makes them inherently harmful to those individuals. There are two reasons. One, parts of them are often based on mistaken, usually sexist, views of men and women. Two, parts of them are based on the conditions which no longer apply as society has changed. The solution is better gender roles based on correct views of men and women as well as modern society.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 06:25 AM
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Monogamy has evolved into a system that only works when male confidence is artificially low Describe this system. Do you mean the recognition that men and women are better off in a monogamous relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 05:27 AM
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Fair enough, good conversation. Have a good one and good luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 10:44 PM
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Again, I think it still applies. I’ve met people I could have married out and about cold approaching, I just needed to grow into a more mature version of myself. One, I’m skeptical about saying you’ve met multiple women you could have happily married when you didn’t marry them. Two, you can do it while cold approaching randomly everywhere. But that doesn’t mean that it’s ideal for you or for anyone else. Three, it could work for you, but it doesn’t work for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 10:34 PM
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I don’t think the context really matters for really getting along with a person, or women in general. Sure, if you’re looking to get long with women in general. But if you’re looking for a serious relationship generally that means you’re looking for a compatible woman, your type, a woman who shares your values etc. And you can choose where you look so you’re more or less likely to meet that sort of woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 10:29 PM
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How do you have valuable discussions with other people? You’re implying I said things I just didn’t say, so what you’re saying just doesn’t apply to me. Dating apps are fucking trash yo lol. I think telling people to get on apps is far worse than telling them to learn to be sociable and make a lot of friends. I didn’t tell people to get on dating apps. I gave two sorts of places to meet women and I used dating apps as an example of the second type. And, I know couples who met their spouses on da…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 09:32 PM
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Disagree with one, two and three if you’re looking for a serious relationship. If you’re just looking for a casual fling, then whatever. Get good at achieving happiness. Focus on approaching women so it’s more likely they’ll be compatible. Basically, approach women while doing something you like or in contexts where men and women meet each other (like on a dating app). Approach women with empathy....everywhere. Yeah, if you’re looking for a serious relationship for happiness this isn’t a good id…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 09:12 PM
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Why? I say why in the last sentence of my comment. Does your sister believe that women make less due to getting paid less for the same job? If you have one study that shows what I’m asking for that would be good.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 07:19 PM
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Studies like that are usually useless. And it wouldn’t give an example of what I was asking for anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 06:43 PM
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Do you have an example of a woman who wants a man to spend money on them and who gets upset when the average man makes more than the average woman (when it’s not due to sexist pay rates)? My first thought is that you’re not talking about the same women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 06:34 PM
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Google “man’s man”. It’s an old and existing thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 06:27 PM
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Yeah, that’s pretty accurate. Except, what’s often happening is that men are failing at dating for some reason, so they don’t have real world experience to draw on, so all they have is what they see on the internet, so they hastily generalize.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 07:23 AM
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How offended do you feel when you see sexualized images of men? I don’t look for them, but there are probably offensive ones out there. I deleted it because I thought about it later and figured it was demeaning to men even if the character was fictional. I don’t know why you enjoyed the shirtless comic book character, but it’s very possible to enjoy it without seeing a man as meat. Religion often messes with someone’s view of sex, but sometimes sexualizing someone is the way to treat them like a…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 03:57 AM
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Strongly-felt, common-among-the-population urges that fail to withstand rational analysis are, at least plausibly, from the lizard brain. Why? And most evolutionary psychology I come across assumes determinism, so they’re conclusions are wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 02:57 AM
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Evidence that’s it’s from the primal lizard brain? Both for men and women? The primary piece I offered of evidence is the fact these desires are super-paradoxical, self-contradictory at times. They fall apart on rational analysis. Why is that evidence that it’s from the primal lizard brain? It’s not evidence. I’ll add another - the fact these desires we have are resistant to technological change which would fulfil them. For example, slut-shaming still exists, in part due to men’s evolved desire …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 01:58 AM
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CMV: Inter-sex Resentment Is Caused (at least in part) By How Both Sexes Have Irrational/Contradictory Desires For The Other Agreed. And this is a fantasy of the primal lizard brain - it is deeply unrealistic and paradoxical precisely because it isn’t a product of the neocortex, Evidence that’s it’s from the primal lizard brain? Both for men and women?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 05:18 PM
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No man who is seriously dating to settle down and start a family wants to find himself in a situation where he discovers his partner's true, natural looks down the line, and realizes that he wouldn't have been attracted to her before all the work. The more dramatic the change was, the more deceived the man would feel. You’re just speaking for yourself. There’s nothing sacred about someone’s natural looks. There’s nothing inherently wrong with improving your looks with plastic surgery asides from…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 09:34 PM
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This is just sexism. You can’t blame a woman who has good intentions for the actions of other women. And the reason men don’t have greater reproductive control is due to men like yourself spreading sexist nonsense instead of standing up for yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 02:56 PM
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If you want to redefine the word, then you have to provide a good reason as to why.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 05:24 PM
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A transaction is just an exchange money is just one form of value. Your sentence construction here doesn’t make any sense. Transaction primarily refers to an exchange of material value. The exchange of value for friendship and love is primarily spiritual (in a non supernatural sense).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 02:20 PM
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That’s not what transaction means. A transaction is where you’re buying or selling something, for money.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 02:14 PM
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None of that justifies calling them both transactions.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 02:09 PM
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There’s a huge difference between being a friend because you like the person and because you’re being paid to. It’s completely mistaken to conflate the two.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 02:03 PM
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Autonomy to do what?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 04:30 PM
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Do you regard any part of yourself as sacred? Do you know there’s an objective moral difference between a rapist and his victim?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 04:21 PM
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The issue isn’t how much he makes primarily, though that’s an issue, but what that says about who he is.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 04:18 PM
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I guess it depends on whether the wife thinks her husband deserves a woman who pursues what’s best for herself, including for her health and her physical appearance. Obviously, what that means for a particular woman varies, but there definitely are unhealthy and unattractive weights. It’s what’s inside that counts Sure. What counts is that a woman chooses to act for what’s best for herself, including what sort of woman she believes the love of her life deserves.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 03:43 PM
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Why do men believe virgin men are unattractive to women? Reasonable men and women past a certain age recognize that being a virgin is a red flag. If you’ve been pursuing your happiness as best you can, including pursuing love, then (putting aside special circumstances) generally you’re going to find someone worth having sex with and willing to have sex with you. So, if you haven’t, that means something is off.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 04:38 PM
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Does it matter? Harming others in the name of helping women probably.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 02:39 PM
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Man (and woman) has the right to life, liberty, property and the pursuit of happiness. Feminism isn’t even for the rights of women. And no, the 1950s are not a time to go back to.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 02:30 PM
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Yes, single parenthood is bad for the kids. But I’ve never seen a study that compared the kids of reasonable single mothers who divorced for good reasons and the kids of single mothers who stayed married for bad ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 12:11 PM
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u/ATasteofTx214 How r adults anybody’s 1st choice? Most people’s 1st choice was a classmate or summer camp fling; this is a very weird problem men have made up Are you talking about someone’s first choice for marriage? I blocked the guy in this thread, so I can’t directly respond to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 12:33 AM
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The problem with authentic love and passion is that you can’t will it into being and thus can’t genuinely promise it “till death do us apart”. You can achieve happiness. And that means achieving values factually necessary for your life. And you can know the most important of these values for your life. And it’s based on the most important of these that you fall in love. So you can have a relationship as long as both lovers choose to pursue happiness. People can be mistaken and change. People can…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 12:14 AM
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You’re so detached from reality you can’t even be courteous. I hope you learn how to be attached one day.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 03:18 PM
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Completely detached from reality? Oh yeah? Please explain what self-esteem is objectively. And please explain what’s objectively moral or objectively valuable or objectively worthy. I view those as all equivalent.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 01:54 PM
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Because, if you had self-esteem, then you’d know you would be worthy of a woman choosing you as her first choice. You’d know you could find either find such a woman or you could be fine alone just searching.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 01:37 PM
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I think otherwise, it is precisely the willingness to get into such a situation that is a true lack of self-confidence and self-esteem. Sure. But, no man with self-esteem is seriously worried about becoming a second or safe choice. The concern is driven by low self-esteem.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 01:05 PM
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I don’t have any sense of how representative they are, but lots of the men I see online standing up for themselves are misogynistic. I’m sure women standing up for their rights were morally condemned as well at the start.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 06:11 AM
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If she’s whatever I find attractive then she’s healing herself psychologically and improving her self-esteem as part of pursuing happiness, so I expect point 5 to slowly go away. So no, I don’t dump her.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 04:38 AM
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I’m saying people are using contraception because they value protected sex more than they value unprotected sex. And that’s because they value their life without that child more than they value having a child with the person they’re having sex with, for whatever reason. If they valued having a child more with the person, they’d skip the contraceptions. I’m an atheist and I’m not endorsing this, but religious fundamentalists are having lots of children from my understanding even though they have …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 03:03 AM
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So, in other words, it’s due to my values. Or, it’s due to people’s values. Or, it’s due to the culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 02:30 AM
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Ok. But then, why aren’t people willing to have more sex without contraception where they accidentally have a child?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 02:18 AM
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The basic answer to your question is that men haven’t done a good enough job of standing up for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 11:17 PM
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What an awful view of men to promote, that they aren’t responsible for their actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 06:53 AM
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Why are you asking this question? Women rightly aren’t going to want to follow a man’s lead if it doesn’t help them pursue their happiness as their highest moral purpose and if they don’t see the benefit to that. And they rightly aren’t going to want to be submit based on what that usually means.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/25 10:10 PM
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All long-term relationships require the man to do whatever the woman wants Good thing you’re mistaken. Within a few months, every woman wanted something from me that I wasn’t willing to give. It’s hard to say what the issue is. If your wants are reasonable and what you’re willing to give is reasonable, then you can enjoy dating and find someone. It’s not like men are better than women, so that there are more better men chasing after fewer better women, so women have their pick of better men. Men…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 02:20 AM
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Ok. But what’s positive masculinity? My understanding is that the primary cause of toxic masculinity in the culture is ignorance of a positive masculininty plus promoters of toxic masculinity not promoting an alternative that’s beneficial to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 05:31 AM
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How well can they have sex or have children?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 05:24 PM
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Yeah, it’s sad that men commit violence against each other, but those risks can’t even be close to your risk if you’re in a relatively free country and reasonable. But why should it be discussed here? This sub is for discussing issues between men and women primarily.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 04:44 AM
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a spouse is not responsible anymore to provide intimacy for their partner, nor are they owed intimacy There’s a difference between not being responsible to provide intimacy and a great relationship has intimacy (supposing that both are healthy). I suspect most if not all BP/PP agree with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 02:08 AM
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Nah, men and women who are interested in LTRs should reconsider dating people who offer sex on the first date. There are exceptional circumstances, but they are rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 01:17 AM
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This is a human thing, not a man vs woman thing. But sex with someone who shares your highest values is a really great experience, part of what makes life worth living. And pursuing it, at least, is important for your self-esteem. If you think you’re worthy of happiness and life, then you’re going to think you’re worthy of finding someone to worthy to have sex with and being chosen by someone worthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 08:03 PM
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I mean, there’s lots of optional characteristics that reasonable people prefer. And then they can value them different amounts. And then there are options for what’s exciting.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 07:48 PM
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Reasonable people like exciting lovers rather than stagnant ones, but that’s not the same as someone who is confusing or brings stress to your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 07:35 PM
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There are short and long term unhealthy consequences for yourself for lying and being manipulative to obtain sex. Like, why in the world are you pursuing sex with someone you have to lie to and manipulate? And why aren’t you doing something better with your time?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 10:48 PM
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Wouldn’t what be rape? Lying about whether you’re fertile?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 02:30 AM
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If the man is lying about his fertility to the woman then all bets are off. He has impregnated the woman against her choice. That’s just like a woman baby trapping a man by lying about her birth control or, if something similar to a paper abortion is recognized, lying to the court about a man’s intention to be a father. Or she could threaten to lie to other people about a man’s intention to become a father with the goal of getting him to help her raise her child. If a woman is knowingly having u…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 01:09 AM
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Bodily autonomy isn’t an end in itself. Women require bodily autonomy to have sex for pleasure and choose if they want to become a mother. The right to raise your child and your legal responsibility to do so comes from your choice to have and raise a child. In the case of an accidental pregnancy outside of marriage, there’s no child for a man to have parental rights for. And the woman choosing to have and raise a child doesn’t mean the man is doing so. If the man doesn’t choose to raise the chil…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 12:20 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 02:57 AM
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You can always switch sides.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 10:28 AM
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That puts you on the anti-life side unfortunately.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 10:26 AM
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Nah, the sides are life and death. The side of life are those who choose to pursue what’s objectively necessary for their life as their highest chosen purpose. The side of death are those who oppose them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 09:25 AM
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The main problem with men not being taken seriously is that they aren’t taking their rights seriously. What’s objectively moral? What’s objectively a right? What are objectively man’s rights? Edit: Also, men need to do what feminists did. Women are half of the population. You need them on your side just like feminists needed men on their side.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 08:28 AM
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Some people do, some people don’t. The first step to a solution is finding a solution and offering someone a solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 10:27 AM
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You have to know that “revealing clothing” has a wide range of meaning and that different women do things for different reasons. Yeah, you’re going to find examples of women wearing revealing clothing for validation from others regardless of who they are. And I didn’t say it applied to all women wearing revealing clothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 10:03 AM
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Everything I said earlier applies to the examples of dressing in revealing clothing as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 09:14 AM
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Nothing I said doesn’t apply to dressing in revealing clothing. Though, dressing in overly revealing clothing is usually a good indication that you want validation from others regardless of who they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 08:44 AM
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Putting aside posting on social media, makeup and dressing can be a way for you to be your ideal self, including in your appearances since that’s a part of who you are. That’s beneficial to you. Also, looking good according to your standards of beauty for people you judge to be beneficial to you can be beneficial to yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 08:14 AM
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Woman have many more choices What’s your evidence for this? That is, that women have more potential soulmates?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 02:11 PM
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I wouldn’t quite agree with this. But, there’s a similar number of potential soulmates for men and women. Good point though.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 01:00 PM
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Yes. If you’re going to talk about which is easier for which, you have to explain how the cause is due to being a man or being a woman. Men have more control in sex when having sex, which makes it easier for them to take the initiative (which is why more men do), which is beneficial for finding someone. Women do get more men taking the initiative with them, but they also get a lot more negative attention from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 12:53 PM
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Women. Because being able to find a soulmate is important for happiness. Casual sex generally isn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 12:37 PM
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Maybe you shouldn’t jump to conclusions about me like that? Just a thought, man’s only means of knowledge is inference from the senses after all. I never made a disastrous (according to what objective norm?) attempt to get rid of religion.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 11:31 PM
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And?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 10:59 PM
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It’s basically an advertisement to bring back Patriarchy/Religion It’s not. Religion failed. That’s how we got here. Religion is fundamentally flawed and its flaws are impossible to fix. Man does need a better worldview based on inference from the senses. I wouldn’t necessarily say her self destructive stunt is an ad for it though. Left to their own devices, a society without guardrails is incredibly dangerous for women. A lack of a philosophy is dangerous. Religion fails to provide one. We’ve h…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 02:27 PM
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For those who are pursuing happiness, real love is conditional. It’s conditional on your lover sharing your highest values and virtues. That is, the values and virtues factually necessary for you to achieve happiness. There values and virtues are reflected in their actions, including that they treat you like they love you. Even for children, real love is conditional. It’s conditional on the child being yours, on you raising the child. And though children can’t really do anything to make themselv…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 11:51 AM
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Okay, but if she does not in fact value that, what is the point in her pretending to value it by having a low body count? There’s no point to that. She might be better off valuing sex with a man who shares her highest values.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 12:45 AM
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If you’re looking to only have sex with a woman who shares your highest values, then you’re going to want a woman who is looking for the same in a man. Those women aren’t promiscuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 12:32 AM
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Let’s call female opposition to mandatory DNA testing what it really is: women not wanting their egos hurt. Support for mandatory testing is driven by irrational fears. You can know this because there is no objective morality that underlies their views. Their views are not based on what’s factually necessary for themselves to thrive. You ever notice how when women bring a female friend or pepper spray to a date, a lot of men get offended? They say, “Oh, so you’re accusing me of being a rapist/mu…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 07:11 PM
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I don’t see why you need evidence, but literally this sub, alone is full of dudes mentioning how they’ve been friend zoned. And the fact they are complaining about not getting the sex or relationship they wanted shows that he is judging her for not saying yes to him. The other evidence is just existing as a woman, and seeing happen. Yes, and what’s the evidence that the way you’re describing the term is the way most men in (choose your society) use it that way and that’s the proper meaning of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 02:25 AM
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CMV: “Friend-zoning” is judging a woman Evidence? I’ll take the Wikipedia entry, thanks. Yah, it can be misogynistic, but it also can be just more descriptive. And it’s sex neutral technically. Conversely, when a woman does have sex with a man, now she’s a slut, a whore, a woman who can’t be taken seriously, and is for recreational use only. What remotely sane man calls a woman a slut or a whore for simply having sex with one man? Many dudes only slut shame because they are mad 🤬 that she’s out …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 02:04 AM
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You reject such a task. It’s not the role of the government to be attempting to identify such a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 07:50 PM
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One, it’s not really clear how much better life or society was. Two, the basic issue is that man, nor individuals in general, is not for himself enough. He doesn’t regard himself as an end in himself, but a means to the ends of others (god, the needy, whatever). He doesn’t stand up for what’s factually necessary for his life/happiness as his highest moral purpose. He doesn’t stand up for his unalienable right to life, liberty, property and the pursuit of happiness.
/r/MensRights05/12/24 12:00 AM
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Miserable marriages aren’t as bad for men as they are for women because men have the advantage. Men don’t do the “logical” thing because too many people have your belief towards being logical and not enough teach that the logical thing to do is to leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 01:32 AM
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Are you talking about a woman you’ve met personally who preached the importance of clear communication and then refused to clearly communicate? Or are you talking about different women?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 05:42 AM
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Yeah, it’s probably a minority of women, particularly in more Western countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 02:25 AM
2

And how is that question relevant to my point?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 01:30 AM
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I don’t know. Same reason why women might think their feelings are relevant to what men find attractive. How in the world is that question relevant to anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 01:24 AM
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Ok. But that’s not really relevant to my comment or the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 01:17 AM
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I said they don’t find them particularly sexually attractive, not that they don’t find them sexually attractive at all. And furthermore, sexual attraction where the sexual attraction is based on whatever benefit they are getting as opposed to the personality/character of the man doesn’t count. So have you never actually heard of that? And the real issue is some amount of women don’t marry for romantic love but for something else. Sexual attraction being a part of romantic love. Some men do it as…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 01:09 AM
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Men got the idea because some amount of women choose to have relationships with men they don’t find particularly sexually attractive because they want something else from the relationship like someone to give them a child, money, do it because god/family/society wants them to get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 12:44 AM
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It’s probably true of some women who go for hookups. But even among women who go for hookups, it doesn’t say how they categorize men into those groups. Like, she could put guys she’s just sexually attracted but don’t think are relationship material in the “hookup” category and she could put guys she’s sexually attracted to and who are relationship material into “relationship” category.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 12:40 AM
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Sort of. That’s the dominant moral paradigm serve the needy, serve the nation, serve “god”, serve society, serve the workers, serve the poor, serve the state, serve the oppressed, serve others and the false alternative they offer is that if you don’t serve others you’re making others serve you. It might be more focused on men in some circles because women can play the historical victim card.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/24 08:22 PM
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Except thinking from it from an evolutionary sense isn’t logical. And it doesn’t make sense speaking from what’s helpful for your own survival or happiness. And men “contribute to society” the best by focusing on what’s best for their own happiness as their highest goal, with the “contributions to society” being a side benefit. And you “incentivize” men to raise children (ie raise them to pursue their own happiness) by showing, in various ways, the benefit to the men’s happiness in having childr…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 07:47 PM
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Abortion is not about parenthood, but bodily autonomy Your bodily autonomy is for you to live and pursue happiness. In the case of abortion, it’s about you being able to have sex for pleasure with someone you love and choose when/if you’re going to become a parent according to what’s best for you. Bodily autonomy isn’t an end itself. For men, they shouldn’t automatically have parental rights and responsibilities if they accidentally impregnate a woman outside of marriage. In those circumstances,…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 09:34 PM
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I hope you realize that you just repeating yourself and me means that you’re not approaching the issue honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 11:23 PM
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Yeah, you’re dogmatically opposed to your own happiness and the happiness of children. I get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 11:20 PM
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It’s because you oppose that the purpose of sex is for your happiness that you’re not willing to figure out that a fetus in the first trimester isn’t an innocent life that’s worth stopping a woman from aborting it. And you don’t really care about innocent lives either because you’re not for the innocent life pursuing his happiest as his highest moral purpose.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 11:18 PM
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For one, a large percentage amount of pro-“lifers” are women. Two, pro-“lifers” oppose the right to abort because they don’t support having sex for pleasure with someone you greatly admire for your happiness. That is they don’t support that as the purpose of sex. It doesn’t have anything to do with women being mean to men. Three, the right to abort is beneficial for men since it helps them have sex for pleasure with a woman they admire. Opposing the right to abort is shooting yourself in the foo…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 05:56 AM
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Well, the basis for a woman’s right to abort until birth is that she has the right to life. And the basis for a woman’s right to life is that she’s an end in herself not a means to the ends of others, that the pursuit of her happiness is her highest moral purpose. More specifically, the basis for the right to abort is that sex for pleasure with a man she admires is necessary for her happiness and the right to abort is necessary for her to pursue that. I’d recommend taking things seriously by lea…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 04:17 AM
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I think attraction is necessary to enter a good relationship but I don’t think that attraction needs to be sexual, for me at least. I’m speaking from the view that sex is essential to a good relationship for men and women to achieve their own happiness. https://www.earthlyidealism.com/p/how-to-have-sex-like-an-egoist I am curious though, if you’re okay with answering: do you feel like people with physical disabilities or other reasons for being unable or unwilling to have sex would be incapable …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 07:14 PM
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Good relationships are developed, from ignorance to soulmates. So, it depends on what stage of a good relationship you’re talking about. Sexual attraction is necessary to enter a good relationship. Sex is a product of that good relationship developing further. Sex is necessary for the good relationship to develop even further than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 01:46 PM
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What’s objectively necessary for your happiness?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 11:29 AM
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How do you know it’s the vast, vast majority? And, so what? Having sex with those sorts of women is against what’s objectively necessary for your happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 11:24 AM
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By they you mean all women?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 11:15 AM
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Oh, it’s immoral for you to act against your happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 10:36 AM
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Is your goal what’s objectively necessary for your happiness? Otherwise, this doesn’t apply to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 09:59 AM
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Is your goal what’s objectively necessary for your happiness? If not, then this doesn’t apply to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 09:49 AM
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Why is that a big deal? Not admitting all your flaws isn’t the same thing as lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 11:46 PM
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Inexperienced men should lie about their lack of sexual history It depends on their goals. If their goal is what’s objectively necessary for their happiness, then they shouldn’t lie. No worse than lying/exaggerating on your resume to get a job. It’s worse. One, there’s some circumstances when you need money or you’ll starve. You’re not in that situation with sex. This makes the rationalization that you need to lie worse for sex. Two, you should value the woman you’re intending to sleep with much…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 04:59 PM
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And women losers are free of emotional baggage that could be used an excuse to trigger abusive behaviour? Nothing I said implied this. Which is also no piece of cake to deal with. Nothing I said implied otherwise. You’re barking up the wrong tree. I’d argue that women are more than likely going to be the abusive ones due to the fact that men can’t cry abuse because that doesn’t fit the narrative of “men are never victims”. I don’t care. Evidence or nothing. It’s not like lesbian relationships ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 08:24 AM
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And? Female losers do date male losers. Specifically, irrational women do date irrational men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 08:17 AM
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Because it doesn’t identify what makes them a loser. Also, just because none of them are overly specific to what the OP is describing as losers, that doesn’t mean that they’re not a higher risk or validly viewed as a higher risk by women (due to the difficulties of judging others).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 07:45 AM
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The topic is reality. And you can’t understand reality using a mistaken definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 07:40 AM
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Rape, sexual assault, assault, physical threats, aggressive creepy behavior, pregnancy, bad sex, being used for sex. By a male loser, I mean someone who is irrational.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 07:31 AM
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Female losers do date male losers. They just might not date the male losers you think they should date. Also, male losers are a bigger risk to females than vice versa and women are aware of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 07:22 AM
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I don’t have a solution that will satisfy your whims, no.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/24 04:08 AM
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Unreasonable guys are worse to deal with than unreasonable women, so I feel bad women have to deal with that. Lacking the right to abort is worse for women to deal with than men automatically having parental rights and responsibilities, so I feel bad for women who have to deal with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 05:07 PM
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It’s not cheating, so it shouldn’t be considered cheating. There should be just as strong of a social stigma against this as there is to cheating in a relationship. No, because that would encourage women to have sex when it’s not beneficial to them (and subsequently not beneficial to the man either). And it would also encourage men to have sex when their wives don’t want it, which is harmful to women and to men. There should be support for happy marriages and opposition to unhappy marriages with…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 03:41 PM
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I know you think that. If you aim for women who like bad guys and settle for nice guys, then don’t be surprised when that’s the sort of woman you’re successful with.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 02:47 PM
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Ok, so then you agree that the “true” nature of women isn’t that they like bad guys and settle for nice guys? That’s the reason you didn’t respond to it and not because you were ignoring it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 02:37 PM
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I know it’s hard, but you’re harming yourself by not taking into consideration the fact that women have free will and a woman’s choices influences the sort of men she finds attractive. Yeah, you can find women who like bad guys and settle for nice guys, but that doesn’t mean that’s the “true” nature of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 02:05 PM
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Maybe in some aspects but not others. Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 01:42 AM
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A man doesn’t necessarily approach a woman for the sort of validation and attention you seem to be talking about. Men don’t necessarily have to badly interrupt her and cut off a woman’s path to approach her in public.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 10:22 PM
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And they are also aware that approaching a woman in public isn’t necessarily begging a stranger for attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 10:16 PM
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It’s fine if you don’t want to consider a woman’s POV. I didn’t say anything sexist to warrant this. But interrupting a stranger to beg for attention reads as groveling unless it’s a social venue designed for mingling and meeting other people. One, I wasn’t talking about this context primarily. I was talking about contexts where it’s appropriate to meet other people. And two, you can approach a stranger outside of those contexts with romantic intentions without being read as groveling by a reaso…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 10:10 PM
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I wasn’t talking about power over them specifically when I initially said it. I meant more that it’s an expression of your ability to achieve your values.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 09:55 PM
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You either have only had pathetic men approach you or you have a mistaken view of men. Or maybe you’re not speaking from your own experience at all. Approaching a woman for a romantic relationship isn’t necessarily groveling or begging. As a man, you can learn how to approach without doing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 09:27 PM
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Ignoring someone takes effort. You wouldn’t have had to put in the effort to ignore someone if they didn’t put themselves in a position towards you where you had to ignore them. Approaching someone is an act of power because it means you’re confident enough in your ability to obtain what you want that the reward of approaching is worth the risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 07:22 PM
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Except he can only show ads to people who choose to watch YouTube in the first place. It’s an act of power to approach someone because that’s how you get to know someone you want to know, by approaching them. Also, when you’re approaching someone romantically, you’re choosing to risk rejection or other negative consequences. Men can more easily deal with romantic rejection or other negative things by women than vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 07:04 PM
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The men who approach women too much should approach women less. That would be better for them. The men who approach women too little should approach women more. That would be better for them. As a man, I don’t want women to do all of the approaching. It’s the greater power that men have that makes it easier for them to approach. And a woman doesn’t have any power over a man just because he approaches her. He can stop associating with her whenever he thinks it’s best for himself. It’s an act of p…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 06:38 PM
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Man should exist for himself, not for others. Man shouldn’t sacrifice himself for others, nor sacrifice others to himself. In Western societies, most men have enough freedom to pursue and achieve their happiness. Most men have enough freedom to find and marry a woman worth marrying. Most men have enough freedom to have children with a woman worthy marrying. If you don’t want to legally marry? Fine. You can do the ceremony and important legal aspects without actually going through the legal marri…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 04:11 PM
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You’re not required to disclose everything before you have sex with someone. This doesn’t contradict anything I said if that was your intention. It is to your benefit to disclose what’s relevant if you’re looking to have sex with a reasonable woman as part of a serious relationship. A woman deserves to know what’s relevant. Like, if a woman will only have sex with an atheist and you know that and you’re not an atheist then you should tell her. What will most likely happen is that she would judge…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 03:55 AM
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Note that I’m talking about a man pursuing a serious relationship with a reasonable woman only. It would allow him to have sex with her. That is, if he deceives her then she’s not choosing to have sex with him because of who he is, so she’s not really choosing to have sex with him. And having sex with a woman means her choosing to have sex with him, which means she knows everything relevant about him to make that choice. This isn’t to say that a man is responsible if she has unusual preferences …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 03:34 AM
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If a man is looking for a serious relationship with a reasonable woman, then he should tell her about his virginity before having sex when he’s relatively certain she wants to have sex with him. That’s beneficial to him. He doesn’t have to tell her before that unless that would mean deceiving her because it’s none of her business if she doesn’t want to have sex with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 02:36 AM
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There are plenty who prioritize genuine connection and depth over superficial qualities. However, those who do seem to be in the minority. Good news. There are probably more women than men who prioritize a genuine connection and depth over superficial qualities.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 11:44 PM
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Why did you assume something so gross about me? Why do you really think a man who is so bad at sex that the woman feels like a dumpster is a prize in the first place? Like, no wonder she’s not responding to his texts— he’s absolutely awful in bed.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 09:41 PM
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She cheated on him. So, she’s the bad one in this situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 07:38 PM
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I don’t think women should date men who treat them like a whore. Why would you assume something so gross about me? Are you ok?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 05:48 PM
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If women don’t like the men they are dating or get disappointed how their SO treated her, she would just break up with him. But those men anyhow planned to “do revenge” to women Sarah by “having sex with her”(?????) But they didn’t say “have sex with her”. If a man who was dating me wanted to have sex with me, You’re not Sarah. Do you really believe most women like being treated like a “cum dumpster”?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 04:57 PM
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If it would be better for your happiness to improve the overall relationship, then I don’t see how that’s submission in any meaningful sense. Unless you mean submitting to a partner’s irrational whims.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 04:10 PM
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A man should pursue what’s necessary his happiness based on facts about himself. And part of that is helping his beloved achieve her happiness without putting her happiness above his own. The same applies vice versa with the sexes swapped. Mutual submission doesn’t make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 03:34 PM
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Fair enough. There are a few steps missing. Men are bigger, stronger, more physically capable in general, so it’s both easier for them to act in sex than a woman and also coordinate the action (similar to dance for the same reason) with a woman than vice versa. And men orgasm much more easily from sex than vice versa. Male arousal is more necessary for sex, while female arousal technically is less necessary (note I’m not suggesting women have sex when they aren’t aroused). Sex can only happen wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 08:53 PM
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Why do you think this disparity exists? Women have less control in sex due to the difference in genitals and the difference in size/strength. So the personality of the man is more obviously relevant to them for their enjoyment in sex. The difference in control is also why men rape women more than vice versa. A woman’s personality should be important to a man, but it’s less obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 08:02 PM
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We have to either overcome their moral framework or work from within it. To say the pro life is more unreasonable is to ignore their own framework. Their framework is unreasonable. I’m not ignoring it. I need you to define what that means? If you mean survival in a more hard way, like the mother will die in 1 day or if generally it makes her life objectively worse then we might need to get more into that. I mean there are things necessary for a woman’s survival based on facts about herself as a …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 07:50 PM
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I want to make it explicitly clear that this is solely focused on non-medically necessary abortion. Even the most stringent pro-lifer would not say the life of the mother is outweighed by the life of the child. No one in this debate is arguing that. No, that’s what the “pro-life” position is. Elective abortions help a woman survive. Being against elective abortions, especially from conception, is anti-woman. It is sacrificing the woman for the zygote. And there’s no objective way for the law to …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 06:29 PM
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You still would need to prioritize one or the other. What has to be there first for you, love or sex? Both the precursors to love and sex have to be there, admiration and sexual attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 01:51 PM
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I don’t see that there’s any need to take it down.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 12:22 AM
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They go hand in hand. Love is necessary for sex ie great sex. Sex is necessary for love. You can’t choose one without the other. I don’t think your examples are really sustainable except under circumstances people would rather not be in. Why isn’t the first interested in love? Why is the second not interested in sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 12:14 AM
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That has nothing to do with this. You’re assuming that by living frugally to enable splitting expenses with a lower earning partner, you’re “giving up” something. But if they were living frugally to begin with they, by definition, aren’t “giving up” anything. For one, are you only talking about the people who live frugally? Why are you limiting your discussion to those people? And you’re ignoring my point about the relative value of money. If they are splitting expenses equally, then the frugal …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 11:44 PM
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⁠If you were already living relatively frugally because you wanted to save, you’re not “giving up” anything. I already addressed this issue in my original reply to you, where I explained about how money is worth less to people who make more money. ⁠Living with someone else, especially a romantic partner, makes housing a lot cheaper. You could plausibly live a similar lifestyle compared to when you were single, while spending less. Not if you’re a billionaire and your beloved makes $100k.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 11:29 PM
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Making more money means you can afford a higher standard of living. Making less money means you can afford a lower standard of living. If you live within the means of the person who makes less, then you are decreasing your standard of living compared to what it could be. You’re giving that up. If you’re a billionaire living within the means of someone who makes $50k per year, then you’re giving up on the billionaire lifestyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 11:18 PM
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Why would it be fair to demand more from a partner? The question is why you should except more, not demand more. And why? Because if you, as the higher earner, get your better lifestyle with your beloved. If you keep yourself to living within what your beloved can afford, then you’re just making your life worse. Are you really going to give up your more expensive lifestyle because your beloved can’t afford to split the expenses equally? You’re going to give up living in a better house, eating be…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 11:06 PM
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You have a study for that? Specifically for men who are essentially responsible even if not technically wholly responsible.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 06:11 AM
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No, it’s not. Women don’t cause themselves to be assaulted. They are not responsible for the fact that they have to work through baggage. Some male virgins are wholly responsible for their state. And, for those who aren’t responsible at all, they just got unlucky. That’s reality. Someone didn’t literally choose to assault them when that person could have chosen other wise.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 12:10 AM
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No, it’s necessary for my survival to choose to pursue the best survival for myself. You can’t be for your own survival while choosing something worse for your survival.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 01:58 PM
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However, men who… make creepy, sexual remarks often do so because they have enough options and aren’t worried about the results. No. That’s not the case speaking from first hand experience when I’ve made creepy remarks. The creepiest remark I ever made was because I was frustrated. Putting aside that sometimes men are unintentionally creepy, men who are reasonable and interesting in a LTR aren’t intentionally creepy. There is literally no point in making them. But they don’t do it on OLD where y…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 06:04 AM
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By evolutionary logic, we wouldn’t have evolved to be attracted to things about people that they can control Man’s means of survival is his rational faculty and it only operates by choice. Good genes don’t mean anything for someone’s survival if they are irrational. Good genes don’t mean anything for your child’s survival his other parent is completely irrational. Of course, there are exceptions and ways to trick people into thinking you have better genes (pretending your personality is natural …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 04:20 PM
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