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–	How do women know what about personality turns them on? It's a whole package. Like a recipe. Everything works together to make one cohesive unit that whips up the happiness chemicals. lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/26 01:58 PM
2	Women are Not Entitled to Men's Credulity towards their "Lived Experiences" and Self-Reports Regarding Dating, Men, etc. You see women migrate to dangerous cities from less dangerous cities for work Women do not have the luxury of opting out of bills. You see Women enroll and move away in College, despite the fact they apparently have a 1/4 chance of being r aped. Women do not have the luxury of receiving an education without actually going to school. (And men are increasingly disinterested in higher education. Removing women from the arena would inevitably worsen the numbers of educated professionals in the workf…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/07/26 03:15 PM
1	Women should make the first move, its better for everyone. Men are literally more likely to die from physical violence than women. Perpetrated by other men. Other men are a credible threat to your safety. Are you trying to date them? So a man has never been assaulted by a woman throughout human history? Nope. However, straight cis men are not at significant risk of date rape. They're drugged half as often. And we know that the perpetrators of SA of men are overwhelmingly men. Again, other men are a credible threat to your safety. Are you trying to date …	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/26 01:32 AM
1	What do you think about this quote from Bell Hooks? The understanding that men have value is appropriate. They do. The idea that recognizing it will fix them is lovely. Very romantic.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/07/26 07:41 PM
1	Women should make the first move, its better for everyone. Because that is exactly what men have always had to do. Men do not have to worry about being physically attacked by a woman after ending an interaction. Men do not have to send their location to anyone while on a date, or rely on check-ins or other safety behaviors. When a date goes bad, men go home, not to the hospital for a rape kit. Men are at much lower risk for STIs and injury during intimacy. The number of cis men who risk pregnancy - and therefore medical bankruptcy, loss of fertility, di…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/07/26 07:39 PM
1	What do you think about this quote from Bell Hooks? Every person has intrinsic value. That means I care when they're persecuted, seek to protect their safety and rights. When it comes to strangers, I absolutely give basic respect. That means courtesy, compassion, freedom and accountability. The sentiment itself is lovely and absolutely appropriate. In practice, I'm unconvinced of the effect. Ime, men look for niceness, which is just a pleasurable behavior. When I actually didn't respect or value men, I was never accused of that, bc I replaced it …	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/07/26 06:48 PM
1	Women should make the first move, its better for everyone. That's not what you said. Didn't think I needed to spell that out. I'm not in the habit of assuming ppl are laughably out of touch with reality. An excuse All I'm hearing from over there is excuses. It's hard, she might hurt my feelings, I might not get everything I want out of life in return for minimal effort. So sad. weak women Awww Target is too weak to chase after you to fill that cashier position. That must be it. It's perfectly logical to put in 100% of the work and take on 100% of the ri…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/07/26 06:07 PM
1	Women should make the first move, its better for everyone. Headhunting is common. Not in regular jobs, my guy. Avg ppl are not recognized names in their field with proven reliability. The argument being made here is that avg men, who invest little and are a liability, shouldn't have to get on Indeed. It's too much work. Target should be in their inbox, asking to spend $4k on them. And no, that's not logical.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/07/26 05:41 PM
8	Common media constantly tries to conflate men as a group with their worst denominators to try to impose collective guilt. Denying men's intelligence is one of the most blatant forms of misandry. It's beyond me that so many men are not only cool with that, but use it themselves.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/07/26 02:39 PM
9	Common media constantly tries to conflate men as a group with their worst denominators to try to impose collective guilt. Your counter is that the men being asked were dumb. I don't buy that. Say I ask you, "Have you ever exposed yourself to someone without their consent?" And you've changed into your jammies with your partner in the room. Are you gonna tell me that yes, you have? Of course not. It's clear that I'm not asking whether anyone has seen you changing clothes in your own bedroom. I'm not asking if your bully pantsed you in middle school. Or if you lost your swimsuit on a crazy waterslide and had to scram…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/07/26 01:03 PM
–	It is not true that consenting homemakers are considered "valid" by feminism. No idea what kind of privilege you're talking about, since we've touched on 2 separate kinds.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/26 01:55 PM
–	It is not true that consenting homemakers are considered "valid" by feminism. Different kind of privilege. Systemic privilege is a statistical advantage conferred solely bc others see and treat a person differently due to an intrinsic trait. Eg. Say we take a man and a woman who are equal in all other ways, and put them in a room. If one of them is given a raise, it's more likely to be the man. That's what privilege means in that context.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/26 11:12 AM
–	It is not true that consenting homemakers are considered "valid" by feminism. it is not considered a privilege A privilege, in this context, would be something that's better. Seeing it as equally valid specifically means it's not better or worse. It should be included in wage gap conversations There's no wage involved. We also don't include ppl who don't have testicles in conversations about testicular cancer... the fact that men were virtually never allowed to pursue this "valid lifestyle" could be noted Not sure how often you discuss it, or with whom. The fact that men …	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/26 10:42 AM
1	Women should make the first move, its better for everyone. Clothes that fit and are clean.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/26 10:22 AM
1	Women should make the first move, its better for everyone. Sorry we can't recommend the best costume to zip into. That's not how it works.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/26 10:09 AM
1	Women should make the first move, its better for everyone. Uhh... tough break? Besides, that's a silly way to determine your style. It's not like you can "go back to normal" after she agrees to a second date. Can't find someone who wants to be with you by pretending to be someone else.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/26 10:01 AM
2	Women should make the first move, its better for everyone. Women shoulder the safety risk of dating in the same way that businesses shoulder the financial risk of hiring. Headhunting is uncommon for a reason. The job seeker is asking the business to take on a risk for them. The effort they put into the process builds confidence that it'll be a worthwhile long-term investment. It's unwise to go around offering the investment to ppl who haven't expressed any interest unless that confidence already exists. So, no, it's not logical. But that's ultimately ir…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/26 01:42 AM
2	Women should make the first move, its better for everyone. It's too broad and fluid to be meaningful. A dude is better off taking care of his body and looking the way he wants.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/26 01:12 AM
1	Women should make the first move, its better for everyone. If these guys could just chill, they wouldn't be here.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/26 01:00 AM
–	Immediate disqualifying factors are viewed as something negative by the person disqualifying If a man won't date a 60-yr-old, does that mean he dislikes or hates older women?	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/26 01:01 PM
0	We pathologize male passivity in dating but reward female passivity and nobody can explain why without circular logic that's a description of what happens, not a justification for why we should keep building social norms around it in 2026. It didn't stop being true. Women are still at higher risk while dating and in relationships, all the way around. The party taking on the most risk logically takes the less active role much of the time, while the party that takes on the least risk actively demonstrates that the investment would be well-spent. Might as well ask why companies don't headhunt with the same frequen…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/26 01:00 PM
–	Immediate disqualifying factors are viewed as something negative by the person disqualifying Your observation is that a person must think X is a bad thing if they don't consider ppl who have/are X to be potential partners. X absolutely can be - and usually is - a neutral trait. Neutral traits are not bad.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/26 11:58 AM
1	People who clown on age gap relationships are toxic The number of ppl who truly believe you have to be the exact same age is infinitesimal, assuming they exist at all. You're presenting a strawman.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/26 11:47 AM
–	Immediate disqualifying factors are viewed as something negative by the person disqualifying Nope. They're both equally valid choices. I support parents. I just don't wanna be one myself. Ordering a burger doesn't mean you think the rest of the menu is bad.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/26 11:45 AM
–	Immediate disqualifying factors are viewed as something negative by the person disqualifying "Not right for me," and, "bad," are not the same thing. I don't date ppl who wanna have kids, bc I don't wanna have kids. There's nothing wrong with either side. We just aren't right for each other. Being incompatible is neutral.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/07/26 11:31 AM
–	Women are lucky that men tend to have low standards and be simps. Might wanna double-check what that is.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/26 04:25 PM
–	Women have no problems with "power dynamics" if it’s something they’re attracted to and validates their egos Whistling at someone is context based. Everything is. That's the point. only if you're attracted to child-like qualities Nope. Only if you're going after actual children. (Most predators aren't attracted to the children they target, but that's a different convo.) An adult who's autistic, bubbly, short, disabled, or has a high-pitched voice, a baby face, cute hobbies, etc, is an adult. There's absolutely nothing about them that invalidates their ability to consent. On the other side, a child who'…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/26 04:18 PM
–	Women have no problems with "power dynamics" if it’s something they’re attracted to and validates their egos Power imbalances are a red flag. That doesn't mean they're always bad. It means they can be. There's reason to examine it. Kinda like when my car throws an error code. It's not always something that needs to be fixed. It's just a sign that there could be an issue, and I oughta take a sec to look. zero relationship history isn't the same as zero life experience. You weren't in a coma. You've been absorbing information and developing as a person this whole time. Not to be a Patrick meme, but... yo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/26 02:29 PM
–	Women have no problems with "power dynamics" if it’s something they’re attracted to and validates their egos Women are fully psychologically developed by 32. With men it's about 43. Nope. No one is ever fully psychologically developed. Everyone learns and changes uniquely. Trends in growth patterns are trait-specific. If we wanna line up boys and girls according to self-control skill development, older boys will end up standing next to younger girls. If we line them up according to visual-spacial skill development, the reverse is true. Thinking of yourself as inherently less developed is prob not healt…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/26 01:53 PM
–	Women have no problems with "power dynamics" if it’s something they’re attracted to and validates their egos Seems like an adversarial attitude. I wasted yrs in therapy that way. Resisted, refused, got defensive, slacked off... like a critter in a trap making it harder for the person trying to get it out. I hope things improve for you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/26 01:37 PM
–	what preferences are women allowed to have? The fact that something is possible doesn't make it good, healthy or reasonable. It's possible for my partner to stop doing what he likes and change his lifestyle as soon as we start dating. It's still concerning if he does - I would hope his friends would sit him down. And it's still unreasonable for me to expect it. If you want a goldfish, get a goldfish. Don't get a parrot and then complain that it won't stay in the aquarium. Compatibility.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/26 08:08 PM
–	what preferences are women allowed to have? We consistently see men denying that personality can be a preference. It must be looks and money and, if anyone says any different, they're lying.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/26 07:53 PM
1	When is it fair to say "you should have chosen better"? Missed the part where we know that it doesn't work, I guess... It doesn't work. Shame doesn't work. The only thing that kicking someone when they're down does is provide pleasure for the person doing the kicking. It's sadism. In this context, it's punishment for not prioritizing the kicker enough. "Fuck right off," is an excellent response to some sicko reveling in your pain. If only women could say that without men showing up to say that's unfair to them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/26 07:54 PM
2	When is it fair to say "you should have chosen better"? Do you get into a relationship without thinking, stay in it for a split second, and move on immediately without any actual effect on your life or self? That's incredible. For the rest of us, it's a major life event that spans weeks to yrs and is followed by a period of healing. From a psychological standpoint, the process of ending a relationship is equivalent to grieving a death or going thru substance withdrawal. So it's more like going up to a person who's been diagnosed with cancer and sayin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/26 07:20 PM
1	When is it fair to say "you should have chosen better"? What you're saying is that you don't understand the difference between a Dr who says, "you should've stopped smoking," and one who says, "let's talk about what you can do now." (Ftr, cancer and bad relationships both frequently come with no warning. The first sign is often something that the avg person would consider minor. And gradual change delays detection. Moralizing relationship outcomes and moralizing health are pretty parallel.)	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/26 04:28 PM
2	When is it fair to say "you should have chosen better"? Good thing that doesn't have anything to do with it...	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/26 03:48 PM
2	When is it fair to say "you should have chosen better"? Harping on past events that are unchangeable is punishment. It only serves to pile on shame (which, in turn, tanks self-esteem and creates depression and anxiety). If someone miscarries, you don't go on a rant about all the things they "should've" done. If you're close enough to have that kind of discussion, you talk about what can be done moving forward. Hope, not shame.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/26 03:46 PM
1	When is it fair to say "you should have chosen better"? When is it fair to turn to someone who's just been diagnosed with cancer and say, "you should've stopped smoking"? It's not. Even if you believe they've made a moral violation that deserves punishment, cancer is enough. Piling shame on top is just sadistic. A good rule of thumb when it comes to your feelings on someone else's life choices is to just set boundaries. If you're close, you can bring it up once. If they ask, you can respond tactfully and kindly, and with forward orientation. (What to…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/26 03:28 PM
2	When is it fair to say "you should have chosen better"? They're very different. One is punishment, the other is planning.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/26 02:52 PM
1	Women who struggle to find a long-term partner aren't "too good" for the men who are also single The assumptions there are that women need to pick from what's on offer, and that rejection has moral weight. Neither are true. I'm not "better than" every man I reject. We aren't compatible. That's just circumstance. And I'm not required to pick the "best" out of the bunch. I can ultimately go without. (The same is true in reverse, but men generally don't consider it a valid choice.)	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/26 02:37 PM
2	Women are lucky that men tend to have low standards and be simps. I don't think life is that simple. Life is much less complicated than we often make it out to be. assuming all these guys are just raging, hateful, bitter, weirdos. Which simply isn't true. It's often true, and we can tell whether an individual falls into one or more of those categories. Bc he shows us via his words and choices. It's not appropriate to see someone being hateful, bitter and nonsensical and do gymnastics to justify their choices, just bc it's "mean" to say that they're being hatef…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/07/26 05:23 PM
9	Women are lucky that men tend to have low standards and be simps. So close... Insufferable and annoying guys are insufferable and annoying. Natural social consequences, like choosing not to be their friends, are appropriate. Men who choose misery will be miserable. All anyone else can do is leave the door open and respect their choice. That includes setting healthy boundaries so that their own lives stay on track while said men figure themselves out. And men who are looking for women to fix them have a "broken" view of themselves, others, and life. They aren't…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/07/26 04:20 PM
1	Men are not the arbiters of reasonable standards It would be fine if a company rejected my requests for free stuff, except that it's a small company. Only massive companies can tell me that I'm not getting free stuff like a celebrity, bc I'm not a celebrity. If a small company doesn't give me free stuff, they're delusional.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/07/26 01:35 PM
4	Men are not the arbiters of reasonable standards Women just need to assume men are stupid, childish and ethically stunted. Therefore, they can't be held accountable for their own choices. It's on women to make sure that the consequences of those choices don't fall on the men making them. Of course, then those men can't give meaningful consent, so no one should be sleeping with them. It would be like being with a child or a person who's profoundly disabled and unable to make any of their own decisions. If that's all men, or most of them, they m…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/07/26 01:18 PM
1	Q4W: Why do women get so much more leeway in terms of being insecure/jealous in dating/ relationships? Girl, help. The boys don't know what logic is...	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/07/26 12:22 PM
1	Why do they say that there are no benefits in a man having a woman as a friend? So you're a coward, but you don't wanna look like a coward (since you're complaining that other ppl are cowards, and that would make you a raging hypocrite)?	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/07/26 12:21 PM
1	Q4W: Why do women get so much more leeway in terms of being insecure/jealous in dating/ relationships? It's just logic, bro. It's immoral for her to post a pic that might turn a guy on. Any pic might turn a guy on. Therefore, it's immoral to post a pic.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/07/26 11:05 AM
1	Why do they say that there are no benefits in a man having a woman as a friend? You don't get "out." Either the person with the best chances steps forward, or the person with the worst chances steps forward. You have to choose. What kind of friend are you?	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/07/26 11:04 AM
2	Q4W: Why do women get so much more leeway in terms of being insecure/jealous in dating/ relationships? it invites a certain kind of attention The idea that just being in a place, wearing clothes, or participating in a cultural activity (like dancing or posting), are invitations is an excuse men use to avoid taking responsibility for their own choices. what about a man going to a strip club when in a relationship Is that what she's doing? Going to the alcohol and sexual services store, to purchase alcohol and sexual services? Or, is she going to an alcohol and dancefloor store to purchase alcohol …	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/26 10:36 PM
-1	Why do they say that there are no benefits in a man having a woman as a friend? I don't have to worry about being "nice" or "respectful" when joking around with my male friends. Why not? Don't you like your friends? Don't you wanna avoid upsetting them?	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/26 06:09 PM
0	Why do they say that there are no benefits in a man having a woman as a friend? You're on a walk in the woods with a guy friend. Bigfoot appears. You check the wildlife brochure you got from a park ranger. It says that the best course of action is stepping forward and waving your arms. There's a 50% chance that will scare it off. And a 50% chance it'll at least take a swipe. It also says that Bigfoot is more likely to attack hikers who wear red. You're wearing purple. Your friend is wearing red. It also says that a Bigfoot attack is more likely to cause significant injury i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/26 06:07 PM
-4	Why do they say that there are no benefits in a man having a woman as a friend? has my back Gotta ask, what does that mean? Do you need your friends to lie for you? Hide bodies? Testify at trials? Show up to bar fights? Agree with you on everything? I don't get it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/26 05:29 PM
1	People want for relationships is strongly tied to what they have been taught and culture If you feel like you’re having to put up with them, then they aren’t the right person. I gotta disagree... Ppl have to put up with their kids a lot, and I don't think that means they're not a good family together. The trick is being able to balance. Compatibility makes it possible. :)	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/26 05:24 PM
3	Handsome and Socially intelligent dude tries for 6 months in dating apps and failing miserably, shows that as a man if you want playtime, you must make dating your everything to get anything in the dating market Ok, so he's not ready for a relationship. I giggled, ngl. He used one app, which he acknowledged is prone to shadow banning and bots. Two other apps for a little while, which he stated are also glitchy. He checked 2-3x a day, then just twice. He used all professional pics, which looks like a catfish to me. Js. He did have matches "every day or every other day" after the first week. He did have conversations. None of them clicked enough to lead to a date. (Potential contributing factor - he state…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/26 05:20 PM
4	Q4W: Why do women get so much more leeway in terms of being insecure/jealous in dating/ relationships? Can you think of a place where men can only go if they leave their bodies at home or convincingly hide them? A cultural activity that men cannot do, just bc they're inside of their bodies? Before you answer, there's a caveat. If anything happens, regardless of whether they're "doing it right" or not, it has to be solely their fault. Whoever does the thing bears no responsibility. Just the man who was silly enough to live normally.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/26 04:34 PM
0	Q4W: Why do women get so much more leeway in terms of being insecure/jealous in dating/ relationships? Welp, women can't post now, bc there's always a man who'll be into whatever, and it's immoral to be attractive in any way. Next stop: no taking pictures at all, bc they could be shown to a man.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/26 04:11 PM
6	Q4W: Why do women get so much more leeway in terms of being insecure/jealous in dating/ relationships? I understand thats the feminist rhetoric It's basic ethics. And a good example of how men keep things the way they are and claim to have clean hands.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/26 04:04 PM
3	Men don't ask women to have low standards, they ask women to have realistic ones Ugly women need low standards, and women are uglier than they think... aka, you need low standards, ladies.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/26 06:24 PM
5	Men don't ask women to have low standards, they ask women to have realistic ones Missing the meat of it... The fact that you're still pushing for women to have low standards. Just with the extra, "bc you're ugly, too." Without recognizing that women don't have to settle in the way men choose to.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/26 04:48 PM
10	Men don't ask women to have low standards, they ask women to have realistic ones Your argument ultimately is that women need to go for unattractive men... It's just dressed up in the justification that those women are, themselves, unattractive, and just don't know it. Given that most men and women rate themselves as avg, and the number who rate themselves as above avg is equivalent... Doesn't seem like "a 5 woman thinks she is a 10" is the epidemic you present it to be. this frankestein's monster of a man that doesn't exist. Ngl, I laughed. Men build impossible women in thei…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/26 02:17 PM
1	Being coddled as boys has done the most damage to men’s social lives. The phenomenon is universal. Humans are born this way. The biases that play into it are learned. If I'm looking for a grilling recipe, I want it from a man. Desserts? Show me his wife's recipe. It's completely illogical. There's no ancestral cheeseburger knowledge passed down via manhood. Women aren't inherently better at making a pie crust. I don't consciously do it. But I know that I do, bc I can see my search history. No one is immune to bias. We just recognize it, work with it, and keep it i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/07/26 04:26 PM
1	Being coddled as boys has done the most damage to men’s social lives. Nope. I said that men and boys are more likely to take a message seriously when it comes from other men and boys, as opposed to when it comes from women and girls. It's a form of perceived source credibility. That's the thing where we're subconsciously more likely to believe someone who "looks the part." In the case of gender, men "look the part" of a competent source to other men in most contexts. Studied psychological phenomena. Don't believe me? Ask a man.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/07/26 03:17 PM
1	Being coddled as boys has done the most damage to men’s social lives. "Incompetent" now means "not solely responsible for raising a child"? How many definitions did you change?	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/07/26 02:45 PM
1	Being coddled as boys has done the most damage to men’s social lives. "Equally" now means "solely." Did you run that past anyone, or just change the definition in your own copy of the dictionary?	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/07/26 02:42 PM
23	Why do women so drastically change their mind about marriage? Why do so many men want kids, and then change their minds after the work starts? Why are young men so desperate for a woman, while older men are much happier single? Why do so many men get married just to cheat? We're all dumber when we're younger. The closer we are to puberty, the more our life choices are based on our childhood socialization. The longer we live as adults, the more our life choices are based on our lived experience. Those things are very different. Terrible example, btw. 2 yrs …	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/07/26 02:40 PM
–	Most women don't consider themselves average, and that's a problem Men are the experts on men. Men are also the experts on women. Men are actually the experts on everything.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/07/26 02:20 PM
–	Most women don't consider themselves average, and that's a problem At home, a man can work all day Can men pls get over themselves when it comes to having a job? It's like bragging that you can be brave with a tummy ache. You and everybody else, champ. We all have jobs. It hasn't been impressive for decades now. (I am not saying work is never stressful. But it's normal. If you're both avg, you're both working, and it's prob gonna stay that way forever. It's not something to hang your hat on.) Or they list a plethora of things that are ethereal/ Not really a big…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/07/26 02:17 PM
1	Being coddled as boys has done the most damage to men’s social lives. Nobody has said that only boys are coddled.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/07/26 02:24 AM
1	Being coddled as boys has done the most damage to men’s social lives. assuming my childhood based on my gender Nobody's done that. Try reading what's written, and not what you expect to see?	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/07/26 02:22 AM
2	Being coddled as boys has done the most damage to men’s social lives. being disappointed when that doesn't work out If he's a good person who's nice to be around, and that's the goal, then it did work out. That's success. The fact that he doesn't believe he's successful means there is an expectation of something else. It doesn't have to be conscious for it to be there. romantically repulsive but for whatever reason he is Not being chosen is not the same as being romantically repulsive. Singleness is the default. It's baseline. Sure, we like extras, but there's not…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/07/26 08:29 PM
1	Being coddled as boys has done the most damage to men’s social lives. Projection. Why do you think men are bad and defective?	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/07/26 08:08 PM
2	Being coddled as boys has done the most damage to men’s social lives. 'I will do X because Y likes X, and it will be good to make Y happy' And it does. Ppl like good ppl. but then Y instead dates someone who does the total opposite. That's the transaction part. If it's just about making Y happy, then it's fine if Y dates someone else. Dating isn't expected. It isn't connected to the behavior. If there's no expectation that good gets good and bad gets bad, then there's no disconnect if a bad guy gets dates. Doesn't matter. The reason why it doesn't sit right is bc …	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/07/26 07:59 PM
1	Being coddled as boys has done the most damage to men’s social lives. obvious resentment You got me. I resent ppl who were neglected. I'm also jealous of their neglect. I sure wish I were more dysfunctional. But also I'm angry with them, and you can tell bc I said they're struggling. It's all code that men know. By osmosis, obv. Idk if you neglected a child and feel guilty, or you were neglected and don't like the idea that someone might be able to tell, or what... but your defensiveness is both misplaced and disproportionate.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/07/26 07:43 PM
0	Being coddled as boys has done the most damage to men’s social lives. The point is that it's specifically emphasised as the kind of thing that girls like, and will make girls happy, to the boys that actually want to make girls happy. It makes most, if not all, ppl happy to be around good ppl. I feel like we learn that pretty early. consistently dating You don't have to date consistently to have dated. That's not the same goalpost. boys being told that girls like someone who is kind, gentle, caring, respectful. Girls do like good ppl. Ppl, overall, like good ppl. A…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/07/26 07:35 PM
1	Being coddled as boys has done the most damage to men’s social lives. boys are somehow coddled in an exclusively intense way The discussion is that boys have been coddled, and have become men who are dysfunctional as a result of that neglect. "But girls..." takes away the specificity. One topic at a time. The notion that men are just adult children I'm sorry, but that's kinda funny in context. The ultimate conclusion is that men are not children, which is why their experiences in childhood are not an excuse for adult dysfunction, only an explanation. you, as in wo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/07/26 06:57 PM
2	Being coddled as boys has done the most damage to men’s social lives. I think people feel accused. I agree that defensiveness is an issue, esp around here. I think that there is someone out there for everyone I believe that it's likely for there to be a compatible person somewhere... But the implication isn't just that they exist, but that they'll be found, and interested, and it'll work out. So many circumstances have to line up that it's impossible to make any assumptions about that. (Adults just want their kids to be hopeful, and it's harder to teach hope along…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/07/26 06:27 PM
–	You can either blame slut-shaming or not. Dgmw, I'm with the "not the same person" crowd. However... Can a man who's never been into binge drinking decide to do it after his dog died, and say he doesn't gaf if he's judged for that day? Can a man who usually treats women disrespectfully decide to treat a woman with more respect when he wants a relationship with her? Can a man with 100 reasons to not try heroin include, "ppl will think I'm a loser," in that list without it being a gigantic concern? Can a man be unconcerned with whether so…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/07/26 05:55 PM
1	Being coddled as boys has done the most damage to men’s social lives. Some do. Mine didn't. And I'm sure some go the other direction. Neglect comes in many forms.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/07/26 05:33 PM
2	Being coddled as boys has done the most damage to men’s social lives. as if i dont know that. And then you go on to condemn yourself and blame women...	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/07/26 05:31 PM
0	Being coddled as boys has done the most damage to men’s social lives. I did think that if I was good, constantly, all the time, even when no one is watching, someone would see the effort and see what I've made of myself and we'd start dating That's the just world fallacy. A transaction with the universe in which you do good, and you get good bc of it. It's still entitlement, in that there's still the expectation of return. The actual reward for being a good person is having a clean conscience and self-respect. Adults absolutely should have taught that. "What? You …	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/07/26 05:30 PM
0	Being coddled as boys has done the most damage to men’s social lives. men and fathers absolutely play a role You only said that women are to blame... coddling boys is some constant part of their upbringing It's an extremely common form of neglect, and one that's among the most socially acceptable. If you look for the trappings of it, you'll see them. "Boys are easier to raise..." "Boys will be boys..." Even circumcision plays a role. only identifying forms of coddling that look familiar to you in men The subject of the discussion is childhood coddling manifesting …	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/07/26 05:02 PM
5	Being coddled as boys has done the most damage to men’s social lives. I am locking myself into this It's a choice that you're making, and are responsible for. Nobody else. Just you. I hope you become a better parent to yourself. Unfortunately, that's entirely up to you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/07/26 04:31 PM
5	Being coddled as boys has done the most damage to men’s social lives. plummet their motivation to actually do good Only if a parent says, "life's unfair," and then never says anything else about it. Which is just as neglectful as letting them think life is fair. It's a parent's job to make sure their kids understand not just the truth of it, but how to handle it and what it means. There’s no guarantee that your effort will amount to anything, but you should totally waste your time. It's not wasted. That's part of the lesson. I despise the typical "participation tr…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/07/26 04:23 PM
5	Being coddled as boys has done the most damage to men’s social lives. the story you are telling yourself almost never happens Neglect of boys is rampant, and coddling is one form it takes. the responsibility of parents and elders to properly socialize kids We're never done being socialized. All that changes at 18 is that we become our own guardians. The responsibility for our development is passed from our parents to ourselves. A man is an adult. The person failing him is him. blaming mom Where's dad? He's equally responsible. Arguably more so, bc boys/men are mor…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/07/26 04:09 PM
0	Being coddled as boys has done the most damage to men’s social lives. maintaining hope and optimism That's not the opposite of realism. You know that, right? They go together. That's how functioning adults... function. You may be thinking of toxic positivity - just as bad as toxic negativity. Switching from one poison to another is guaranteed misery. I hope you do better by yourself in the future.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/07/26 03:48 PM
7	Being coddled as boys has done the most damage to men’s social lives. I mean, it's part of English class, bc you can't use logical fallacies in writing. But it really should start with toddlers. "Just bc you're nice to Sam doesn't mean they have to be your friend." Learning it means coming to terms with it. Being upset when a good person is hurt or a bad person is protected is fine. Being controlled by those emotions, unhealthy obsessing over the unfairness of it, or giving up? Not fine. The world is unfair, so we work to make it as fair as we can, and make peace …	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/07/26 03:42 PM
1	Being coddled as boys has done the most damage to men’s social lives. they should do all of the above, but also should be a nice person (to the girls and everyone else), that they should be kind and helpful and patient, not be a bully, not be a creep, be a 'gentleman' but also treat girls as just people That's just being a good person. Baseline Human 101. Everyone needs to do it to the best of their ability, no matter what. I don't understand why boys would see it as extra, optional, or transactional. Unless they're being raised in a low-expectation, high-praise e…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/07/26 03:20 PM
2	Being coddled as boys has done the most damage to men’s social lives. I'm not sure what the point actually is here. Most men have never experienced anything like womanhood. It's entirely foreign. For some men, empathy comes more easily. For others, it only develops after being faced with a similar experience in a hypothetical. they've always been very respectful The way men treat one another with respect regardless of how they treat women is a hurdle for some. I often find myself moving into the realm of, "you're in an extremely poorly run prison where violence is…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/07/26 02:57 PM
3	Being coddled as boys has done the most damage to men’s social lives. Coddling is a form of neglect. Too many parents chose the route of low expectations, high praise, excuses, ignoring dysfunction, and parentifying girls. Actually teaching kids how to handle life is hard. Cooing and offering ice cream is easy. And neglect of boys is incredibly normalized. Making it work depends on those girls growing up to be women who would take on the role of permissive parent. Fewer and fewer women are accepting that role, which leaves more men facing realities they are not pr…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/07/26 02:40 PM
1	Being coddled as boys has done the most damage to men’s social lives. Unfortunately, it may be the only context in which some men can fathom the reality of "validation" from a woman's perspective. The men who struggle with that imagine an idealized, nonexistent version of what they see, and become jealous of that idealized nonexistent version. If being knowledgeable and accurate is more important than having an excuse to complain, educational hypotheticals can be necessary. (Being able to tell the difference between someone illustrating a point and someone genuine…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/07/26 02:14 PM
3	how interest are you about what men like? Nope. I'm not looking for "men." I'm looking for a compatible partner. Best way to find that is to be the best version of myself. And I'm peaceful as things are, so it's not an emergency if that person doesn't happen my way.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/07/26 11:36 AM
3	Having increasingly high "standards" doesn’t make you more discerning, nor does it guarantee better relationships Lots of space between "perfect in every single way" and "close enough, I hope..." Being better than the last act on stage doesn't mean the band is good. Only that it's better than that one other act. Being the best act of the night only means being the best out of a handful. (As with music, "best" just means most aligned to one person's needs/wants. It's not objective in the first place. There's way more value in finding the right audience than in trying to get a different audience to appreciate…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/07/26 05:44 PM
11	Having increasingly high "standards" doesn’t make you more discerning, nor does it guarantee better relationships Relative valuation, my guy. Being the best partner someone's had doesn't make you the best partner for them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/07/26 12:56 PM
7	Having increasingly high "standards" doesn’t make you more discerning, nor does it guarantee better relationships The idea of "building compatibility" being pushed so hard gives chameleon. We see it way too often. The idea that most men could be an ideal partner for most women bc they can change. But all that says is that those men are weak in convictions, have nothing figured out for themselves, and are interchangeable. That's not a good thing. It doesn't just make them boring and easily replaceable. It's a red flag for codependency and long-term relationship issues.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/07/26 12:51 PM
12	Having increasingly high "standards" doesn’t make you more discerning, nor does it guarantee better relationships My cooking is the best you've ever had, if you've only eaten grass.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/07/26 12:38 PM
5	Our male ancestors would laugh at the complaints of modern men Depending on your favorite studies, up to 75% of women and 74% of men would rather be unloved than disrespected. It's not just men. It's humans. The fallacy I see is thinking it's one or the other. Either love, or respect. But a healthy relationship has both. And, let's face it, the narrative that men don't need love, or are somehow insulted by it, has seriously disadvantaged men. The misguided obsession with sex and obedience. The frustration with relationships of all types, never feeling fulfi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/06/26 01:02 PM
2	Women Love Objectification, When It Benefits Them Imagine being called "fresh meat" and "babygirl" by a group of men 8+" taller with builds you can only dream of, on your first day in prison. You got attention! Don't tell me that not being able to turn it off is a problem. So what if accepting it is likely to be taken as consent, and rejecting it risks violence? Grow up. You get influence and leverage! Totally worth the way you're gonna have to "pay" for everything you get, even if you didn't ask for it. Just don't be stuck-up. You get validati…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/06/26 12:48 PM
52	No woman who is not already thinking about divorce will actually gonna divorce you for getting a paternity test those feelings will die down eventually Once feelings die down, they don't even remember why they were hurt. I have no idea where the divorce came from. I figured I could just ignore everything she says, feels, needs and wants, and nothing would ever happen. Who could predict that treating her like furniture wouldn't be her dream?? Nice misandry in there, btw. Be the man-hater you complain about, I guess.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/06/26 12:43 PM
11	No woman who is not already thinking about divorce will actually gonna divorce you for getting a paternity test I'm guessing no. They're fantasizing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/06/26 12:37 PM
7	No woman who is not already thinking about divorce will actually gonna divorce you for getting a paternity test not question you and always agree with your bs. Smells the same as, "you just don't like it when ppl disagree," but the "disagreement" is something like denying a child medical care or racism. Making it seem as small and meaningless as possible, despite being indicative of a difference in basic values and ethics, is disingenuous.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/06/26 12:36 PM
7	No woman who is not already thinking about divorce will actually gonna divorce you for getting a paternity test They're the entirety of the NB umbrella? Wow.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/06/26 12:31 PM
3	How do you explain the "Dark Romance" Boom? Dude, it's fiction. The point of fiction is to explore hyperbole, metaphor, and emotion, in a way that's safe and can be stopped at any time. That's the appeal. It's bizarre how dedicated some of y'all are to taking it literally. How much sense would it make to hold up the popularity of war movies as evidence that men wanna be drafted and die? Or the popularity of step- porn as evidence that men literally wanna bang their relatives? That would be dumb.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/06/26 07:59 PM
1	“Just be happy single” is easy advice when singledom is optional. A man goes into the store looking for chocolate. The store clerk points toward an aisle. The guy doesn't think any of that chocolate will be any good. It's not the right kind. He leaves and says they don't have any. A woman goes into another store, looking for chocolate. The store clerk points toward an aisle. She also doesn't think any of the chocolate will be any good. It's not the right kind. She leaves and says they don't have any. The guy gets mad and says, "You can't say that! The shelves …	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/26 07:35 PM
0	“Just be happy single” is easy advice when singledom is optional. If women get to be discerning, then a woman with no viable options has no options, just like a man with no viable options has no options.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/26 07:16 PM
0	“Just be happy single” is easy advice when singledom is optional. There are, many many people, exclusively men, who really do not have options. Are they approaching every single woman? If not, they're leaving options on the table. Not just homeless women. There's the elderly. Disabled. Thrice-divorced drunks at dive bars. Churches and funerals are great places to mingle. Chill with dealers. Surf the arrest pages. Meet some migrant farm workers. If a man is "allowed" to look at those women - any of them - and claim that they aren't options without trying... the…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/26 06:09 PM
1	When men say "Men suffer in silence", most of them think that's cool and masculine. It really is. I try to think of it like bad weather. I'm not causing it, so I can't change it. And he's not doing it at me, I just happen to be here. SMART has been really helpful for me.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/26 11:00 PM
2	When men say "Men suffer in silence", most of them think that's cool and masculine. getting regular SSRIs refills alone would cost me hundreds of dollars I feel you on healthcare costs. About 60% of my monthly income goes toward my healthcare. Def something we all should be fighting toward resolving. I only see him occasionally and can't control what he does with his life I'm glad you've arrived at that point. I've been very close to an alcoholic for many yrs. It's hard not to imagine that, if you just did the right thing, it would improve. Releasing that undue responsibility i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/26 10:06 PM
3	When men say "Men suffer in silence", most of them think that's cool and masculine. The "answer" is that women are not lesser. That's the concrete basis. It's the essence of everything. giving the mother majority custody in tender years vs giving 50% Not the case. Closest we have now (in the US and UK) is that some court employees admit to having a personal ideal that very young children shouldn't be separated from their mothers if it can be avoided... that doesn't correlate to the way cases actually play out. (Ppl can have opinions and still make neutral decisions.) Men in the…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/26 09:58 PM
1	When men say "Men suffer in silence", most of them think that's cool and masculine. see how people react I don't think that's a strong measure. Anyone can lie, even unintentionally when it comes to body language. Nobody protests or donates or volunteers on accident. it's more likely due to a difference in logic than caring. There's no logical reason to do something that doesn't work and causes more issues. The only reason to push against reform is to reap some kind of benefit from the dysfunction. Sometimes we could harm someone we don't care about, to get a benefit. But we don…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/26 07:14 PM
1	“Just be happy single” is easy advice when singledom is optional. Idk if you're missing that I'm not literally advocating for men to go test pickup lines on homeless women...	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/26 06:57 PM
2	When men say "Men suffer in silence", most of them think that's cool and masculine. Feminism itself is not any of that. Criticizing the way some feminists have approached social reform and being against feminism are not the same thing. Every feminist has criticism of other feminists in some way. Like disagreeing with the way an anti-racist policy was implemented and saying that makes you a racist. Bro. No.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/26 06:56 PM
1	“Just be happy single” is easy advice when singledom is optional. It doesn't matter if it's ideal for them or not. Literally the only thing they have to do to be an option is to be receptive. Survival sex is extremely high among homeless women. Just bc some say no doesn't mean all must say no.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/26 06:51 PM
2	When men say "Men suffer in silence", most of them think that's cool and masculine. men tend to focus on punishment and women more on reformation That's not inherent. Women reject purely punitive models bc they don't work. They see the data and make the logical deduction that we shouldn't hurt men just to feel good about hurting them. Men who support those models have the same data. They also know that it doesn't fix anything and increases recidivism. They are weighing the value of men (as both offenders and victims) and finding it too low to justify giving up their emotional h…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/26 06:47 PM
3	When men say "Men suffer in silence", most of them think that's cool and masculine. men heal through action better than therapy Therapy is not passive. change therapists a few times until they find a good one We all do. Those men are not quitting. They're persisting. most therapists follow a feminist bias Yes, most therapists believe that women are not inferior. The idea that that would be a problem is baffling. "Here to find out how to be a better person, but also, if you ascribe to this standard pillar of ethics, I'm out." Sir...	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/26 06:31 PM
1	When men say "Men suffer in silence", most of them think that's cool and masculine. And that they need to screen out bad therapists and try to find a good one, please I can empathize. I struck gold on my 30th try. Fixing our lives isn't for the weak. lol I actually would disagree Coping mechanisms, self-talk regulation, processing exercises, meditation, mindfulness, goal-setting, reframing, various forms of expression (art, etc), trigger management, EMDR setups, physiological techniques, self-care... all online. I don't recommend anyone use exposure therapy without supervision,…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/26 06:25 PM
2	When men say "Men suffer in silence", most of them think that's cool and masculine. Many benefit men more than women. The oft-lamented fact that men make up the bulk of the workforce in dangerous industries is logically addressed by increasing safety regulation, improving PPE, etc. (Bc we can't force single men to get safe jobs, that would violate their autonomy.) But men are much more likely to push against those improvements than to support them, while women trend the other direction. For all of those men working in those fields, who deserve the best working conditions possib…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/26 06:11 PM
2	When men say "Men suffer in silence", most of them think that's cool and masculine. What I'm hearing is that men don't experience the issues you laid out as often, and women are still doing better. Kinda like one family having 1 person on dialysis and struggling to get anything done, and another having 4 ppl on dialysis and making it work. Why, exactly, is the second family the one in trouble? Maybe the first one should watch and learn? we are talking about loners You mean ppl who lack social skills. So... get some? I mean, working toward it beats sitting around whining that it…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/26 05:43 PM
3	When men say "Men suffer in silence", most of them think that's cool and masculine. So why is laziness an explanation here? Why do men quit? Bc it's uncomfortable and it takes time. That's the explanation, straight from the horse's mouth. They choose not to continue bc it's uncomfortable and it takes time. Those factors are inherent. They aren't things that can be removed. They aren't kept secret. They don't only apply to men, and not women. Why would a woman push thru the discomfort and put the time in? To get the benefit. She looks at the pros and cons, and prioritizes her we…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/26 04:57 PM
3	When men say "Men suffer in silence", most of them think that's cool and masculine. Most of the tools learned in therapy are online, for free. It takes more personal accountability and is a bit more like flying blind. But it's the same tool set. Doesn't matter if it's found online, in books, in a support group, among friends, etc. All therapy in different packages. I don't recommend foregoing medication when it's needed. There aren't any points for suffering with a biological issue that can be mitigated. I don't really have much choice but to try work around that and encourage …	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/26 04:45 PM
2	When men say "Men suffer in silence", most of them think that's cool and masculine. Are you unaware of the fact that women work harder to make friends, build social networks, and start clubs and groups, in response to loneliness? That women spend more time being choosy about applications (research indicates it's bc they're more realistic about the degree to which they qualify for a given job), giving them a better application:offer ratio, in response to unemployment? That women are far more likely to seek out areas in which their employer can make positive changes, and to push …	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/26 04:37 PM
2	When men say "Men suffer in silence", most of them think that's cool and masculine. The fact that so many men report similar experiences in therapy indicates there's some confounding structural factor, and not just all men being lazy and entitled. Sure, if the issues they cited were things like, "therapists refused to treat me bc I'm a man." What's being cited are internal issues. If men were quitting chemo in droves, and they said plainly that they quit bc it was uncomfortable and one dose didn't cure them, would we buy that it's actually bc of a structural issue, and not bc t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/26 04:20 PM
2	When men say "Men suffer in silence", most of them think that's cool and masculine. I mean... Statistically, women do make sociopolitical choices that would address men's issues more often than men do.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/26 03:52 PM
4	When men say "Men suffer in silence", most of them think that's cool and masculine. The logical course of action when someone has a problem is to get up, investigate the source of the problem, look for ways to address it, pick one, try it (genuinely give it effort), and pick another if that doesn't work. It's extremely illogical to complain that there's a problem, refuse to dig into it, make excuses to not try any of the practical solutions, and just keep complaining.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/26 03:51 PM
3	When men say "Men suffer in silence", most of them think that's cool and masculine. Ppl like to take the stats on men giving up on therapy as an indication that it doesn't work. Except most men quit after one session, and the top reasons cited are that it's uncomfortable and it didn't fix stuff. It's not that it doesn't work. It's that so many men have unrealistic expectations and stop trying when it becomes clear that they won't be met.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/26 03:48 PM
7	When men say "Men suffer in silence", most of them think that's cool and masculine. "passive" solutions like therapy Therapy isn't passive. It's not "talking things out." It's presenting the specific issues to a pro, letting them recommend tools, and putting those tools to work. Kinda like face timing a mechanic while you work on a car. They're not fixing it, bc they can't. But they're giving some guidance so that you can fix it. And then you'll be prepared to fix it next time, too. That's not passive at all.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/26 03:45 PM
2	When men say "Men suffer in silence", most of them think that's cool and masculine. "These men are whiners," means, "These men are whiners." Not, "All men are whiners." Not, "Only men are whiners." Read what's written, not what you expect. Gossip isn't whining. Like, at all. That's weird to say.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/26 02:46 PM
3	When men say "Men suffer in silence", most of them think that's cool and masculine. That's only true if those women aren't actually doing anything. If I say I feel bad, while I'm working on practicing self-care, I'm putting effort into addressing the issue. If I say I feel bad, then give a list of excuses for why I'm incapable of practicing self-care (or anything else), or why self-care works for everyone but me (and I know that magically), I'm not putting effort into addressing the issue.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/26 02:44 PM
7	When men say "Men suffer in silence", most of them think that's cool and masculine. what does that look like Providing practical suggestions to improve things. "Look into therapy," is exactly what they're looking for, if that's the case. it usually does mean doing it alone Why? Are they asking for someone to walk with them? therapy is marketed to men as quick fix Idk where you've gotten that. I have never seen a person represent it as a quick fix. There is no quick fix. That doesn't exist. its not men having too high expectation If the complaint is, "it's uncomfortable and it d…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/26 02:39 PM
1	“Just be happy single” is easy advice when singledom is optional. I have trouble understanding what you mean by the homeless people argument. Homeless ppl can be very receptive. If that's all you need - for them to be receptive - there ya go. Options for any man. The way you describe women's options implies that that's how you define options for them. Bad options are still options. By that definition, a homeless woman is an option, and therefore no man is without options. The way you describe your own options - bringing compatibility into the equation - implie…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/26 02:18 PM
1	When men say "Men suffer in silence", most of them think that's cool and masculine. it individual based Everything is. Why would the solutions to men's issues be the only kind that are universal? people doing therapy be better at addressing men That's infantilizing. Men do not need, "here comes the airplane!" The reason men quit therapy after one session is bc it's uncomfortable, and that introduction didn't fix things. That's how therapy works. It's uncomfortable, and one session doesn't fix things. (Sessions themselves don't fix things. Utilizing the tools you learn during se…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/26 02:14 PM
1	When men say "Men suffer in silence", most of them think that's cool and masculine. What problems are solved online?	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/26 02:06 PM
-1	“Just be happy single” is easy advice when singledom is optional. I would date the ugly girl if I got to know her and we matched ideals and personality. That's already being pickier than women are "allowed" to be. Matched ideals and personality? Crazy high standards. If an option is a person who's receptive - usually the definition being used - then there are options anywhere there are homeless ppl. If an option is a person who's receptive and compatible enough to justify the effort, then everyone has an extremely limited number of options. Can't use one defin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/26 02:05 PM
0	When men say "Men suffer in silence", most of them think that's cool and masculine. it will lead to solutions or sympathy It does. I think many men just don't know what that looks like. in the end people will hold them responsible to solve their problems That's true of everyone. Doesn't mean doing it alone, but it does mean that no one will do it for them. That's impossible. why therapy isn't as effective for men It isn't ineffective for men. Men do not try. When they do manage to get into an office, they overwhelmingly quit after the introductory session. The top reasons cited…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/26 01:59 PM
4	When men say "Men suffer in silence", most of them think that's cool and masculine. Weird, bc women are proactive overall. What issues do you think women have, are in control of, and are doing nothing to address?	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/26 01:39 PM
1	When men say "Men suffer in silence", most of them think that's cool and masculine. they are addressing the issue based on how they know to Making excuses about how every practical approach can't possibly work, and then continuing to loudly whine? That's the best they can do? That's all we should expect of adults?	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/26 01:37 PM
2	When men say "Men suffer in silence", most of them think that's cool and masculine. You'd be right, if I were also loudly wallowing in my problems while doing nothing to improve my life...	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/26 01:35 PM
1	“Just be happy single” is easy advice when singledom is optional. And if it’s not the life you want, that’s a BIG problem. Very, very few ppl have the life they wanted or expected. We grieve and move forward. There's no other choice. people giving that advice are usually single as a temporary state, giving the advice to people who are stuck in it It's impossible to claim that it's not a temporary state, esp under 30. If you're 25, you've lived 10% of your adult life. That's a tiny sliver. If the internet company says they'll be there between 8am and 6pm, are y…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/26 01:34 PM
7	When men say "Men suffer in silence", most of them think that's cool and masculine. Can't disagree. Too many men don't actually want anything to change. They just want everyone to know how bad they feel. It's why they suddenly go from, "men are problem-solvers by nature," to, "here are our excuses to justify never trying." Like caricatures of the worst types of women they imagine they're surrounded by.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/26 12:27 PM
-1	The manosphere thrives because society has failed to provide an alternative. Thank you! I get why ppl are so averse to letting men find their feet. But it's not doing them any favors. (And, admittedly, it's annoying af. Nobody drew women a map, and men are not dumber, so what are we even talking about?)	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/26 11:44 PM
–	Gender relationship are harmed by blank slatism Excellent evaluation. The subjectivity reminds me a bit of the medical pain scale. We get more reliable and useful info when we ask how someone's functioning is affected, rather than how much pain they're experiencing. Being unable to walk up stairs could be reported as a 6 for one person and a 10 for another. It is often said that libido in women is highly contextual I wonder if this is partly bc of role socialization. Is it harder for women to relax when there are problems to solve, bc she's t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/26 10:28 PM
1	Blue Pill/Womans advice makes far more sense if you imply 1 point. Criticism of feminism is asking questions and having conversations. Not giving money, time and publicity to anti-woman organizations. They're vastly different in nature and in effect. We both know that. Holding ppl accountable for the choices they make is a form of respect. Pls don't downplay the choices of men, bc they're men. It's misandry. Currently, 58 percent of those admitted to higher education are women, while only 42 percent are men. One of those cases where it's important to know what …	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/26 10:05 PM
-3	The manosphere thrives because society has failed to provide an alternative. Alternative take: Doing the work for men has created dependency, fear, fragility and narcissism. Continuing to do it can only be expected to perpetuate that. There's no version of growth that's easy. Maybe men need that discomfort to break the pattern of learned helplessness. Not to be abandoned, but to be pushed to think up their own solutions to a problem and to apply themselves toward it. An equivalent to refusing to do a kid's homework for them, and to instead only answer genuine questions t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/26 09:43 PM
1	Blue Pill/Womans advice makes far more sense if you imply 1 point. Yeah, because [...] Bc they don't know the definition of the word and aren't interested in looking it up. (Alternatively, they were raised to believe that they're logical, so they don't realize that their feelings don't dictate reality.) Any man supporting group which is not fully on board with feminism is attacked and discredited as misogynists. Idk if you know this, but... if you support the klan, you will not be seen as anti-racist. Anti-racist ppl cannot stomach supporting racism. That's how…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/26 08:57 PM
2	Blue Pill/Womans advice makes far more sense if you imply 1 point. Oh, did they do a study? I'm only familiar with the one on misogyny. The words do have meanings. They're just facets of sexism - gendered bigotry that includes hatred, contempt, disrespect, othering, and discrimination against individuals solely bc of their gender. Issue is that a large proportion of men have difficulty identifying what is and isn't misandrist. Sure, some women def use the word wrong... but way too many men don't even realize that things like not getting participation trophies i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/26 08:35 PM
-1	Blue Pill/Womans advice makes far more sense if you imply 1 point. The pity party never stops. If it matters to anyone reading, the measured trend is that less conventionally attractive men marry a little later in life, have more "traditional" marriages, and divorce at a lower rate. The prevailing hypothesis of attached researchers is that those men utilize the extra time to gain maturity, life skills and stability. Overall, the later you marry, the less likely you are to divorce, until it evens out at about 45. Current avg age of marriage is 30. The sad bois w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/26 07:09 PM
1	Feminists could do well, if they develop humility misandristic and man hating rhetoric I don't think the avg man knows what those things are. Just bc Todd said that quoting violence stats is misandry doesn't mean it is.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/26 04:18 PM
2	"Personality" and "social skills" are just attempts to moralizing dating and make lonely men feel bad A relationship in which you live with a person is actually far easier to maintain, since you often interact naturally. I disagree. It's much easier to resent and lose respect for someone when you're always together, there are no significant barriers, and every choice they make directly affects you. Just being in physical proximity doesn't mean there's genuine effort or harmony. It's not unlike having kids, in that it's rewarding and it's a full-time job that can wear the most resilient person do…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/26 04:04 PM
-2	Blue Pill/Womans advice makes far more sense if you imply 1 point. Aother ChatGPT bot like response. The curse of an English major. So basically TLDR is get therapy to prepare you In the nicest of ways... Duh. Almost nothing is within our control, and there's no just world. Nobody's life turns out like they want. The only difference is whether they lie down and rot about it, or choose to live. Frankly, if someone can't bring themselves to choose to live, what do they expect? therapy will NOT help you with dating It'll help you make the most of an opportunity. I…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/26 03:46 PM
2	Blue Pill/Womans advice makes far more sense if you imply 1 point. why is the male suicide rate so high despite male participation in mental health services being greater than ever before? Method choice and others' awareness on an individual level. Women are more concerned with leaving an intact body. As little mess as possible, as little trauma as possible for whoever finds them, and the opportunity for family to have an open casket. The methods that do the least outward damage are the least effective. They have more failure points and take longer. Since women…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/26 03:14 PM
0	Blue Pill/Womans advice makes far more sense if you imply 1 point. Therapy doesn't spawn genuine opportunities with compatible ppl. Nothing does. There is no magic spell to cast. No cheat code. No way to load the dice. It's 99% circumstance. This isn't a secret that we keep from men. We say it pretty consistently in various forms. (Mom might be an exception. Moms don't wanna hurt their baby's feelings, so they say things like, "the right one will come along," despite the fact that it's a promise she can't guarantee.) What therapy does is help a person have an a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/26 02:42 PM
7	If women are the problem, why do you want them to birth and raise more kids? Between that and the narcissistic self-centering...	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/26 02:24 PM
3	Blue Pill/Womans advice makes far more sense if you imply 1 point. if you date mostly misogynist its your fault Around 80% of men in developed countries hold misogynistic views. "Choose better" means the worst men are left behind until they improve. And then they show up here...	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/26 02:23 PM
1	Blue Pill/Womans advice makes far more sense if you imply 1 point. If a man wants to get a date, and that's it, he's free to lie thru his teeth, target damaged or naive women, etc. (Disgusting, but everyone is free to do bad things to a degree.) But if his goal is to actually get anywhere, that's the absolute worst thing to do. Might as well toss $80 in the trash and waste the day doing literally anything else. Esp when it's obv that so many men actually don't enjoy dating at all. A bit like lying to get an interview. Even if they're interested, you're a loser …	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/26 02:19 PM
17	If women are the problem, why do you want them to birth and raise more kids? Bros don't know the difference between a strawman and a position they, personally, don't have. Not everything is addressed specifically to you...	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/26 02:04 PM
1	Excluding sons, do you have little to no sympathy for men? We can say the exact same thing about cancer treatments, chronic pain management, addiction rehab, etc. The quick, easy, painless solution doesn't exist. We can refuse to try in protest, but all that does is guarantee that it gets worse. It's not a "hold your breath long enough and you'll get what you want" situation. What you want doesn't exist. The cost part is absolutely a legitimate barrier. Mental health issues are a bit like physical therapy in that area. The tools are largely available on…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/26 08:49 AM
2	Excluding sons, do you have little to no sympathy for men? We don't know nearly as much about the body as the avg person believes. One of those things where, the more you learn, the more you find out that we actually don't know what we "know." Why didn't you reply to the greater point of my response? In fact, if you just said, "aww, I'm so sorry..." I could argue that you're being flippant and disrespectful. It's an issue that can be improved, and should be addressed asap. Giving me common-sense actionable advice indicates that you're taking it seriousl…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/26 08:09 AM
5	"Personality" and "social skills" are just attempts to moralizing dating and make lonely men feel bad I'm not discounting the benefit of feeling cared for. That said, a relationship is continuous work for both partners. It's worth considering whether a different kind of connection would give you benefit without exacting a toll of that depth.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 10:39 PM
11	Excluding sons, do you have little to no sympathy for men? Mental health is a part of physical health. The brain is an organ. It's just as serious an issue. I could set my broken leg at home, and it might turn out fine. Doesn't mean no one should encourage me to see someone with the education to get me started, at least. In fact, if you just said, "aww, I'm so sorry..." I could argue that you're being flippant and disrespectful. It's an issue that can be improved, and should be addressed asap. Giving me common-sense actionable advice indicates that you'…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 10:28 PM
16	Excluding sons, do you have little to no sympathy for men? Info: If I tell you that I broke my leg, and your reply can be boiled down to, "go to the ER," is that evidence that you don't care about me?	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 06:40 PM
2	"Personality" and "social skills" are just attempts to moralizing dating and make lonely men feel bad If you've never seen Bigfoot, does that mean you've seen the opposite of Bigfoot?	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 05:55 PM
5	"Personality" and "social skills" are just attempts to moralizing dating and make lonely men feel bad Functioning as an adult is basic. Yes.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 05:54 PM
3	"Personality" and "social skills" are just attempts to moralizing dating and make lonely men feel bad How would you suggest a person provide evidence that they haven't seen something?	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 05:52 PM
8	"Personality" and "social skills" are just attempts to moralizing dating and make lonely men feel bad The person I replied to is struggling with treatment-resistant mental illness that impairs functioning.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 05:50 PM
1	"Personality" and "social skills" are just attempts to moralizing dating and make lonely men feel bad Links, please?	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 05:49 PM
2	What unique value do you think men provide to society, that can't be provided by women? Our level of sexual dimorphism is incredibly low and reducing over time (bc it isn't necessary anymore). Around 20% of cis women won't be identifiable as female if an archeologist finds their pelvis one day. So that's an incredibly unreliable metric. Like saying soda flavors correlate to the color of the label. Yeah, sometimes. But it's wrong enough of the time that it's obv that the metric is artificial and ppl are just trying to stuff reality into it. And idk about you but, if I woke up with a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 05:09 PM
3	What unique value do you think men provide to society, that can't be provided by women? Seems like I'm more masculine than a man who doesn't carry a gun. Even a man who thinks he'd use his fists is more girly than I am, bc he's not necessarily prepared to kill in self-defense. And if I'm more of a man than those men, then a man who wears the same clothing, jewelry, makeup, etc, that I do is more of a man than they are, as long as he has a gun. Right?	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 04:43 PM
2	What unique value do you think men provide to society, that can't be provided by women? Using their brains to do what? Not to protect themselves.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 04:39 PM
3	What unique value do you think men provide to society, that can't be provided by women? If the performance doesn't make you feminine, then nobody can tell if you're feminine or not until they see your genitals.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 04:36 PM
6	What unique value do you think men provide to society, that can't be provided by women? Everyone is capable of violence. I carry a gun, and that makes me more prepared at any given moment than an unarmed man. Does my choice to not shoot anyone today make me more masculine than him?	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 04:33 PM
3	What unique value do you think men provide to society, that can't be provided by women? Ignoring statistical likelihood of danger = femininity? How do/did women ever survive living in places with dangerous wildlife? Is femininity new?	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 04:31 PM
4	What unique value do you think men provide to society, that can't be provided by women? ... you know that cis men are also performing, right? If it were stored in the testes, there would be no difference in what's considered masculine between cultures and over time. (Arguably, between species.) There would be no difference in the level of performance from person to person, or between groups. It's literally all learned.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 04:30 PM
5	What unique value do you think men provide to society, that can't be provided by women? Not selling the idea that masculinity is a good thing. But good to know that the fact that I'm always armed makes me masculine.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 04:27 PM
7	What unique value do you think men provide to society, that can't be provided by women? Masculinity = violence?	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 04:19 PM
5	What unique value do you think men provide to society, that can't be provided by women? I guarantee you've met or seen passing trans men and intersex men, and never had the thought that they weren't masculine.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 04:19 PM
5	Alot of women want to control men and their sex life and it can be proven by a simple hypothetical Sex lives, date opportunities, relationships, and birth rates are all different things. The only thing your scenario addresses is date opportunities. The reason ppl would push back against this is the same reason ppl don't approve of "mail-order brides." It invites abuse with the appearance of a connection. A person can be strong-armed into agreeing, and then tightly controlled, with minimal effort. That's only ok if your goal is to get good numbers, no matter what looks like in actual practice.…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 04:16 PM
1	"Personality" and "social skills" are just attempts to moralizing dating and make lonely men feel bad ESL? Not only is shape not something that can be "controlled," the implication that it should be is inappropriate. Even if a person wanted to appeal to men, thinness isn't a unilateral priority.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 03:03 PM
1	"Personality" and "social skills" are just attempts to moralizing dating and make lonely men feel bad Where did I say that?	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 02:04 PM
12	"Personality" and "social skills" are just attempts to moralizing dating and make lonely men feel bad In the most compassionate and gentle of ways... Do you think you can actually have a relationship while struggling so much with the basics? Do you expect a relationship to make anything better without adding more strain?	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 01:06 PM
1	"Personality" and "social skills" are just attempts to moralizing dating and make lonely men feel bad Nope. Normal human bodies are different for a reason. And while research does show that men prefer underweight women, it also shows that men value a proportional, healthy face over waistline. There's a point at which, even if she's not skinny, her face will begin to hollow out, and any points she gets for a thigh gap are lost to that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 01:01 PM
6	"Personality" and "social skills" are just attempts to moralizing dating and make lonely men feel bad I don't have any abusive men in my personal circle. Not being aware of who's doing it (or has, or will) isn't the same as not knowing anyone who's doing it (or has, or will). i don't claim that I can impeccably discern someone's toxicity, as women frequently do. I haven't seen a woman ever claim that she can reliably detect toxicity that someone is hiding. Seems like a strawman to me. Men are better at lying than women are and some men think they're being sneaky when they're def not. Bug differe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/26 12:50 PM
4	If you’re wondering why guys do things “women don’t like”. It’s because some women do like it. Your examples of "things women don't like" are pretty flimsy. Just personal preference. Not actual red flag behavior. For actual red flag behavior.... Some secret alternative answers: He's playing mind games (a fave hobby among some men). A "coach" or influencer told him that women like it and anyone who says they don't is a liar. It's what he wants to do (and is being rejected by incompatible ppl, bc that's how it's supposed to work). He's intentionally setting himself up for failure bc he has …	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/06/26 01:23 PM
11	why cant you lust after average men? I like avg men. Most women date avg men... bc most men are avg men. That's not enough?	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/06/26 02:42 PM
1	What’s the most controversial negative opinion you have about your own gender? Men aren't interested in marriage Then they can't complain that they may not marry. you don't seem to understand basic economics I don't think you understand that a system that can't sustain itself without constantly adding ppl to the bottom tier is a pyramid scheme. Running out of ppl to scam is a good thing. It means forced transition to a sustainable model. (Ffs, we already have 4x the number of ppl we should, to balance environmental health with reasonable human standard of living, utilizing…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/06/26 02:41 PM
6	why cant you lust after average men? Do you want women to not be "like a crazy person," or to "act obsessed"? How should women perform lust?	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/06/26 01:07 PM
1	Is a man being nerdy a turn off? Men with passions are awesome. Nothing better than seeing his eyes light up when he sees something, and letting him excitedly explain why he loves it. Doesn't matter much what it is. It's about the happiness.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/06/26 11:36 AM
0	Women have it harder in dating. More options don't guarantee success, but they do increase the chances of finding someone who is actually a good fit. In the case of dating, quantity does not have a quality of its own. It's not like the lottery, where each ticket has the same likelihood of success. Incompatible ppl have no likelihood of success, and compatibility is rare.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/06/26 03:30 AM
4	women choosing terrible men/ choices with full information is one of the oldest documented patterns in human history. lmao Yeah, we wish that was the common use. It usually starts in childhood, tho. You go to an adult bc a boy is bullying you, pushing you down, breaking your stuff, and you get, "Oh, he's not being mean, he just likes you. It's a compliment. Boys will be boys, you know..." (I genuinely hope it's a dying practice, but I'm not holding my breath.)	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/06/26 10:48 PM
13	women choosing terrible men/ choices with full information is one of the oldest documented patterns in human history. Every time men behave badly and women are told to chill out, calm down, be the bigger person, work around it, etc... that's "boys will be boys." It frames bad choices as acts of god. Just normal stuff that happens. Might as well laugh it off, bc it's not like anyone can do anything. (That includes him. He can't do anything. It's just how he is. At most, he can apologize and pinky promise to never do it again.) It doesn't just hurt women. It hurts everyone. The penal system - at least in the US -…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/06/26 07:41 PM
1	Women have it harder in dating. If any of the work were being done on that side, it would be a tiny little haystack. Incompatible ppl wouldn't be adding themselves to the pile, forcing me to sort them back out.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/06/26 06:55 PM
1	Women have it harder in dating. If The One is in your city, then they are. They're out there looking for you. (Wanting to be in a relationship is part of compatibility.) They're the needle, right? If you only go thru highly compatible ppl, you have a little haystack. If the needle exists, it'll be in that haystack. (Bc they're maximally compatible, so they count.) If you go thru ppl who at least check a couple boxes, you have a medium haystack. If the needle exists, it'll be in that haystack. (Bc they check the maximum number …	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/06/26 06:52 PM
1	Women have it harder in dating. And a person who doesn't know what it's actually like to have it may always see it thru rose-colored glasses, rather than as it is.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/06/26 05:53 PM
1	Women have it harder in dating. It's not a positive experience. It's an endless drain on resources that could be spent doing literally anything else. Hiking. Raising shrimp. Learning how to make pickles. Mentoring. Volunteering. Deadlifting. Home improvement projects. Making friends. Quilting. Joining a club. Going to festivals. Mastering winged eyeliner. Brewing mead. Painting Warhammer figurines. Lego. Reading. Sketching. Bubble baths. Petting dogs. Local concerts. The world is full of experiences. Constant sorting robs us o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/06/26 05:42 PM
0	Women have it harder in dating. both are just as bad One wastes time, effort, emotional bandwidth, etc, more than the other. That's the issue.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/06/26 05:11 PM
0	Women have it harder in dating. "Big pile = better" is puzzling to me. Like "fuller mailbox = more paychecks."	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/06/26 05:06 PM
2	Women have it harder in dating. Either the needle is there, or it isn't. Adding more hay doesn't change that. It only makes it more work to find out. Waste my entire life digging thru hay, developing resentment, putting everything else on hold... or find out more quickly and get on with it? Yeah, the second one. I want a life.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/06/26 05:01 PM
-1	Women have it harder in dating. Either the one is there, or they aren't. Doesn't matter how much or little hay you add. Hay won't magically become more needles. It can only waste time and energy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/06/26 04:57 PM
-1	Women have it harder in dating. Incompatible ppl are not needles. They are hay. By definition, they are not viable potential partners. Adding hay doesn't spawn more needles.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/06/26 04:38 PM
1	Women have it harder in dating. Almost all of it, if not all of it. Men notoriously "cast a net," which is a nice euphemism for meaningless, indiscriminate approach with no consideration for compatibility. It isn't real interest any more than an envelope addressed to "current resident" includes a letter to you. The envy for trash is counterproductive. Being hungry sucks. Doesn't mean it makes any sense to point at a pile of rocks and say, "I wish I was eating that." No, you don't.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/06/26 04:30 PM
1	Women have it harder in dating. Why? To waste your time, force you to shred stuff you never asked for, and fill up your trash can? It's just analog spam.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/06/26 04:06 PM
3	Women’s problem is overestimating the amount of common sense men have. They don't. They determine what's considered conventionally attractive. Lip fillers are a good example. Men, as a whole, aren't a fan of overfull lips. At all. Who likes overfull lips? Filler companies. So, what do you see in the media, etc? Women who've had their lips done. Who gets hired into those positions? Women who've had their lips done. What do women do when they want success like the women on tv? Get their lips done. Men have rated underweight women as more attractive in studies. Howeve…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/06/26 03:12 PM
2	Women’s problem is overestimating the amount of common sense men have. No idea what scapegoat you see in there.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/06/26 02:54 PM
1	Women have it harder in dating. I disagree with the specifics, but agree with the general conclusion. Men's biggest complaint about dating is that it's hard to introduce themselves to strangers. Women's biggest complaint about dating is that it's dangerous. If we had to choose between embarassment and being in actual danger, pretty sure the majority of ppl at large would rather be embarrassed. That said, I'd say the biggest issues in terms of staying safe are the impracticality of "running at the first sign" and the narrative …	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/06/26 02:35 PM
1	Women have it harder in dating. I'd say the approach and the first couple dates are the intro.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/06/26 02:24 PM
2	Women have it harder in dating. Why do you sort thru junk mail? Bc it's in the way of what you're looking for.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/06/26 02:21 PM
12	Women’s problem is overestimating the amount of common sense men have. I disagree that those men genuinely don't know things. More that they aren't taking those things seriously. A bit like the "walkaway wife" thing. A guy will start out saying that he had no idea anything was wrong. But if he talks long enough, it comes out that he did know. He knew for yrs. He just didn't take any of it seriously. Idk if it's an empathy thing, or a solipsism thing, or what. But it's amazing that they survive in real life. Surely the, "nothing is real, nothing matters," attitude d…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/06/26 02:19 PM
-1	Women’s problem is overestimating the amount of common sense men have. Then you should go elsewhere. That's the entire point of this area.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/06/26 02:13 PM
1	Women’s problem is overestimating the amount of common sense men have. Have you considered that you aren't in the right place? I mean, idc about trains, so I don't join in convos about trains just to say, "I don't care." Not trying to kinkshame or bash a hobby, just doesn't make sense.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/06/26 02:11 PM
3	Women have it harder in dating. Compatibility is necessary for a successful relationship. An incompatible person is a potential partner for someone else. Being pursued by that person is a waste for everyone involved. Hay to sort thru.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/06/26 02:09 PM
3	Women’s problem is overestimating the amount of common sense men have. Conventional beauty standards are set by the ppl who make money from them, not by actual men. Just ftr. That should always have been the discussion. The question here is whether or not you think men should be shamed for wanting someone reasonably attractive, regardless of what that looks like for an individual.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/06/26 02:05 PM
-3	Women have it harder in dating. Been on both ends. Too much is worse. If you get to choose a haystack to search thru, you pick the smallest one you can. More hay doesn't mean more needles, just more wasted time and effort.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/06/26 02:01 PM
6	Women’s problem is overestimating the amount of common sense men have. Why is, "women also have an interest in attractive men," a negative thing? I'm confused.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/06/26 01:54 PM
1	Women’s problem is overestimating the amount of common sense men have. sounds horribly exhausting Wait till you hear about how actual relationships work. Constant work. (The kind where you respect and care about one another, blend your lives, act as primary supports and inspirations, etc. Not just happen to be in proximity while living entirely separate lives. That's just employment.)	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/06/26 01:53 PM
0	Men have to approach. Sounds a bit like, "If she isn't sleeping with me, it's bc she doesn't like me, and not for any other reason at all," doesn't it?	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/06/26 01:40 PM
4	Most people need to experience casual sex, especially men. I haven't seen any basis for the idea that women aren't attracted to their spouses. On the contrary, research indicates that men marry whoever they happen to be with when they're ready... while women choose the person they wanna marry, and then stay until they're ready. That suggests that she's more likely to find him attractive - she picked him - than he is to find her attractive - she was convenient. An issue with casual sex as a measure of desireability is the likelihood of regret. "I was cho…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/06/26 01:01 PM
1	Do you think that sexy women are "torturing" average and unattractive men? Nope. Bad-faith whining doesn't get any more effort from me. If the goal is just to roll around on the ground and cry, why not just do that without involving ppl who are actually putting effort in? Is it just not as satisfying if nobody's watching?	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/06/26 10:20 AM
1	Do you think that sexy women are "torturing" average and unattractive men? Yeah, nah. You're obv not speaking in good faith.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/06/26 10:17 AM
1	What’s the most controversial negative opinion you have about your own gender? Of course evolution has an agenda. No, it doesn't. There's no intent involved. If a specimen's traits give it an edge, they're most likely to be represented in the next generation, bc that's how living things work. If the traits are a detriment, they're least likely to be represented in the next generation, bc that's how living things work. We get around it a lot of the time, which is why we're still around at all, but it's still ultimately the same process, bc that's how living things work. bre…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/06/26 04:03 PM
1	What’s the most controversial negative opinion you have about your own gender? Women are already not selecting men The projected proportion of current young men in the US to be married at least once by middle-age surpasses the number of young men who are interested in marriage (75% and 68%, respectively). Not having it happen today isn't the same as not having it happen. Just bc it feels like an emergency doesn't make it an emergency. the fertility rate is through the floor The current drop in fertility rates is 1%. If we continue that trend, losing 1% annually, we have ov…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/06/26 02:21 PM
1	Do you think that sexy women are "torturing" average and unattractive men? It would've been a stupid thing to do though, considering the success of women's liberation movements in the 1920s in most of the west. 100 yrs ago were the 1920s. And men were not a fan of any women's interests. If you think dudes are mad about women wanting sexual autonomy now, imagine how the dudes who were accustomed to quietly SAing their wives felt when they were first told to stop? Men's movements? are a bit like straight pride most of the time. Disingenuous and focused on rolling back pr…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/26 08:21 PM
1	Do you think that sexy women are "torturing" average and unattractive men? Absolutely. Every woman who's ever given genuine advice to a man online has done it. Women are more likely to object to military action (something that puts men in danger in much greater numbers), push for improved safety conditions for workers in man-dominated fields (like transportation and manufacturing) and in the penal system (which would benefit many more men than women), donate blood (which is not sorted by sex and is more often needed by men in emergencies), give compliments, initiate sm…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/26 07:32 PM
1	Do you think that sexy women are "torturing" average and unattractive men? I could've said the same thing 100 yrs ago about women. "Men will never allow it." Turns out, if you don't give up, it happens anyway.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/26 06:47 PM
2	What’s the most controversial negative opinion you have about your own gender? Women would hate it, for a start. Not a big factor. I mean, men have hated a lot of stuff women have done. We adapt. If men abandoned their stoic nature, there would be nobody to do all the hard, essential, dirty, dangerous, undesirable jobs in society. Because those jobs rely on men who suppress their emotions. There's nothing about emotional intelligence that makes a person incapable of logging. If anything, the ability to express and process in healthy ways would lower levels of stress and fe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/26 06:00 PM
1	What’s the most controversial negative opinion you have about your own gender? Evolution doesn't have an agenda. It's just change over time. Sexual dimorphism is on its way out bc we don't need it anymore. We have high individual variation. That, and cultural marker selection, have taken over. Happens to social species. It's fine. High libido isn't necessary for reproduction. A single instance of unprotected piv sex has a 5-42% chance of pregnancy, depending on the timing. Trying 10x in a yr (considered to be a dead bedroom) has a 50-70% chance of pregnancy. As a whole, it…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/26 05:45 PM
2	What’s the most controversial negative opinion you have about your own gender? Up to 80% of men hold misogynistic ideals, depending on your favorite study. About 40% in one multinational study said they think misogyny is ok if it's a joke. You must be hanging out with a subset of men who never stop laughing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/26 02:55 PM
1	What’s the most controversial negative opinion you have about your own gender? The men you know get violent when they find out a guy they know is a misogynist?	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/26 02:34 PM
16	Men will accidentally push anti-male propaganda Hard agree on internalized misandry. Nobody works harder to make men out to be infants, idiots or animals as men do. It gets to the point where treating men as equals is met with hostility.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/26 02:13 PM
7	Men will accidentally push anti-male propaganda Closer to a seminar on consent in a world in which consent isn't valued, imo.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/26 01:53 PM
1	What’s the most controversial negative opinion you have about your own gender? I have only heard a guy tell another guy to stop an inappropriate behavior toward a woman or child once in the past 4 decades, including instances in which I was the target and around men I trusted. It doesn't matter if the rebuke is harsh when it happens, if it rarely happens. (And, let's face it, when that kind of violence happens, it's not about fixing a problem, just emotion. It's often the worst thing that can be done.)	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/26 01:50 PM
2	What’s the most controversial negative opinion you have about your own gender? Controversial? Women are too permissive as a whole, and not violent enough when it comes to self-defense. Less controversial but more negative... Too many women end up acting like all choices are equally valid, as a way to justify having the right to make them. "That's a stupid choice," pairs just fine with, "I support your right to make that choice."	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/26 01:32 PM
1	What’s the most controversial negative opinion you have about your own gender? It's a defacto requirement in many fields. Women who don't wear makeup are passed over for promotions and raises more often than women who do.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/26 12:57 PM
1	What’s the most controversial negative opinion you have about your own gender? I am, of course, the one exception. /hj I enjoy waxing. None of my partners care. I don't have a preference when it comes to other women. But I like it. And it's a fun couples activity.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/26 12:55 PM
2	What’s the most controversial negative opinion you have about your own gender? We aren't "supposed to" have anything. We're in the process of evolving, just like every other species.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/26 12:50 PM
1	What’s the most controversial negative opinion you have about your own gender? I def believe it should be way less of a thing. Like hair color. Sure, we can talk about it, explore it, etc... but it should have nothing to do with the important stuff.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/26 12:48 PM
1	What’s the most controversial negative opinion you have about your own gender? Men shouldn't [...] start sharing all their feelings and thoughts about every inane subject all the time What would be the downside to making that behavior a guy thing?	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/26 12:37 PM
3	What’s the most controversial negative opinion you have about your own gender? Ppl tend not to listen to ppl they don't respect...	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/26 12:33 PM
1	What’s the most controversial negative opinion you have about your own gender? Given the atmosphere in the US rn, I have to disagree. Unless the victim is under 12, a large number of men will defend and justify the action. Jail isn't really a threat... SA has a 95% chance of having no legal accountability. You gotta be on camera, esp violent, or off-putting in some other way. Importantly, the most protective thing a man can do in that arena is to not tolerate lower-level misogyny. Stop it before it ever gets to that point, and save all of the targets he'd have over time as…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/26 12:30 PM
3	What’s the most controversial negative opinion you have about your own gender? I think the first one is related to the way girls were/are socialized to see themselves as the ones who can/need to save, fix, help and "civilize" boys. If he says he's changed, he deserves a second chance. If he says he doesn't know how to treat you, you need to teach him. If he's a jerk like his friends, he just needs you to be a good influence. Young women haven't had time to unlearn childhood and learn adulthood, so they're mostly working with the programming. It does everyone a disservice.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/06/26 12:20 PM
4	When it comes to chores, it's not that men won't help out/pull their weight. Women just hate to see men relaxing. "Idc that this thing is stressing you out. Let's do this thing that you can't enjoy while you're stressed, bc it benefits me." Gold star.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/06/26 05:52 PM
11	Man flu is real and proves that women don't have empathy for men. My sibling and I are cleaning house. They have EDS, which means their joints can partially dislocate just from reaching for something. I don't have that issue, but I do have a bum ankle from an accident like 6 yrs ago. Different issues. They reach for something and their shoulder tries to jump ship. It's not an ER situation. I roll my eyes and say, "it's fine, it's normal for you." Later, I step wrong and my ankle gives out. It's not an ER situation. They roll their eyes and say, "it's fine, it'…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/06/26 12:46 PM
8	Man flu is real and proves that women don't have empathy for men. Spain? Menstrual leave is pretty rare.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/06/26 11:34 AM
1	Do you think that sexy women are "torturing" average and unattractive men? Nobody has much moral character Most have some kind of standard. Men indicate in research that theirs are less rigid. Young men, esp. But even young men have some concept of right and wrong. Off the high-horse please and thank you. Being on a high horse is when you expect other ppl to try to be decent, while you do the same. Good to know. You can have self-respect I can't have self respect and be a spectator while someone else suffers. without putting your body on the line for random women. Yeah…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/06/26 08:49 PM
1	Do you think that sexy women are "torturing" average and unattractive men? Society is less moral than it once was. I disagree, in that ethics are steadily refined over time. We started out just not killing kids too often and calling that good. Now we recognize that there are a lot of things we cannot do to kids, not even a little bit. Arguably, accountability is more widespread in a lot of areas. Racism, for example, comes with a lot more social consequence than it used to. We may be less discreet about it, tho. Secular morality, unfortunately, is still poorly defined.…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/06/26 08:25 PM
0	Do you think that sexy women are "torturing" average and unattractive men? And really, why shouldn't they? Ethics. Character. Self-respect. Women aren't the only ones who have a moral compass.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/06/26 07:24 PM
10	When it comes to chores, it's not that men won't help out/pull their weight. Women just hate to see men relaxing. None of this is urgent generally speaking. Neither is having someone poke you over and over. You can technically sit still while they're doing it. But you can't relax. It bothers you the entire time. The longer it goes on, the more frustrated and angry you get. (And if you don't stop it soon enough, it'll keep going all night.) That's the point. No, it's not an emergency. But it bothers her the entire time it's not done. Can you understand that, "just stop being bothered by it," isn't a realisti…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/06/26 07:22 PM
13	When it comes to chores, it's not that men won't help out/pull their weight. Women just hate to see men relaxing. I find that difficult to believe. Upstairs neighbor screaming? Unpaid bills? Empty fridge? Something poking you? Kids fighting? Hungry? Thirsty? Literally just anything that you technically could put off, but that will drive you insane if you do.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/06/26 06:53 PM
1	Do you think that sexy women are "torturing" average and unattractive men? Same goalposts. Just now figuring out how far away you were, maybe.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/06/26 06:46 PM
16	When it comes to chores, it's not that men won't help out/pull their weight. Women just hate to see men relaxing. I don't think you understand. The space needs to be clean first for relaxation to happen. The mess/clutter causes stress. Surely there's something that would prevent you from relaxing until it's resolved...	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/06/26 06:45 PM
26	When it comes to chores, it's not that men won't help out/pull their weight. Women just hate to see men relaxing. Ain't no one coming over, why are we in such a rush to clean the house exactly? Being in a neat space lowers cortisol, releases dopamine, improves sleep and increases productivity. Decluttering, specifically, helps with overstimulation and efficiency, and is safer in terms of accidents. Regular cleaning helps with allergies and sensitivities. (Worth saying that those hormonal benefits directly link to her libido. Lots of other things, too. But libido is a big priority for many dudes.)	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/06/26 06:27 PM
2	Do you think that sexy women are "torturing" average and unattractive men? Mental illness and the inability to control one's emotions aren't the same thing. Difficulty in self-regulation can be involved in mental illness. But 95-97% of violence is perpetrated by ppl who are not mentally ill. Research indicates that emotion is the primary driver of violence, well above non-emotional factors like financial gain. A very high proportion of offenders act out of emotion. They aren't mentally ill. They just lack emotional intelligence. And violence isn't the only risk. There …	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/06/26 06:07 PM
1	Do you believe women should cater more to men/be less selective? Considering the army men as a lunch option doesn't make them a lunch...	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/06/26 04:20 PM
0	Do you think that sexy women are "torturing" average and unattractive men? Cultural evolution is not a conscious thought process. It absolutely is, at least a large portion of the time. I don't have a "duty" to step in if I see someone trying to curb-stomp a dog. I don't expect that dog to belong to me afterward. I don't expect any kind of service from the dog. That's not why I'm stepping in. I'm doing it bc it's the moral thing to do. Worst case scenarios... The dog may run away after. It may bite me. The sadistic dick may take a swing. I may have to draw my EDC to pr…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/06/26 03:57 PM
2	Do you think that sexy women are "torturing" average and unattractive men? Unregulated emotions become irrational behavior. In every instance in which a person becomes violent or otherwise behaves in a destructive way bc of their emotions, the outcome is absolutely traced to their inability to self-regulate. A person who begins to demonstrate problematic behavior that can reasonably be expected to escalate needs intervention to participate in the community without presenting undue risk.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/06/26 01:29 PM
0	Do you think that sexy women are "torturing" average and unattractive men? Weird that the thought process is, "Let's make it worse for women, instead of better for men."	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/06/26 01:21 PM
1	Do you believe women should cater more to men/be less selective? That's only true if all options are meaningful. If you haven't had lunch, it's not an improvement to get access to plastic army men. They won't resolve the original issue, and will add more issues. It's meaningless. Men are already familiar with this. Most exclude ppl who very much are options - men, homeless women, senior citizens, etc. They are options. They're just recognized as army men - meaningless. It's silly to think that's confined to just a few demographics. And it's silly to think tha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/06/26 01:17 PM
6	So what is the true? Sexuality is varied. There's no "woman sexuality." Prob need to start clarifying whether we're discussing attraction (he looks good) and actionable attraction (I'm considering sex). Not the same thing. When the conversation centers on action - women don't jump on men - I think at least some portion of women respond in terms of actionable attraction. But if guys actually mean any level of attraction, with no action attached, the answers are likely to be different. I find lots of guys hot, and am …	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/06/26 02:29 PM
2	"The patriarchy hurts everyone" can also be understood as "our biological realities are challenging". Wow, that's interesting. more vulnerable Cis women are more vulnerable biologically in terms of musculoskeletal disorders, gynecological issues, certain mental illnesses, etc. Risk of harm from men, govts, etc, are not biological. They're sociopolitical, and therefore artificially created and changeable. (By the same token, cis men are more vulnerable to penile and prostate issues, Parkinson's, bladder cancer, some mental illnesses, etc.) they need reliable partners when they get pregnant What w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/06/26 12:40 AM
1	What do you think about victimhood mentality, weaponized victimhood? And it is still widely used in takes like "we live in patriarchy", "women are oppressed", "women earn 70 cents per each dollar" et.c I disagree that this is indicative of a "victim mentality." Resolving issues begins with identifying and acknowledging issues. There's an issue we see among Biwoc that I'd say could be described as toxic empowerment... The idea that those women are so strong, and can overcome anything, that is used as an excuse to ignore the fact that they shouldn't have to be exce…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/06/26 04:16 PM
10	Freedom in relationships The only freedom a single person has over you is the ability to pick a new partner. That's it. Conscious limitations being placed on a partner aren't the only ones being referenced. Having a typical (monogamous) relationship doesn't just mean not sleeping around. There's a plethora of responsibilities, added labor, split priorities, and performance that comes with it. No one can be "on" all the time. That is effectively sacrificing the self for the role. And it's an unfair expectation to place o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/06/26 03:12 PM
3	Is working for a living more traumatizing than being sexually assaulted? Ime, most men don't really have a concept of loss of bodily autonomy in that intimate way. Their closest analogs are things like paying a bill they don't wanna pay, going to work, or being conscripted in an emergency. Not bc they would truly believe those things are comparable, but bc they don't have a frame of reference for accurate comparison. One more way we do kids a disservice and harm adults who deserve to have that foundational understanding.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/06/26 02:42 PM
1	If you remove or Ignore the "mens fault" and "woman are beutiful" whats left? As animals, we're crazy vulnerable to environmental pressures and disease. We get around that with technology. To die off from climate instability, we would have to reach a point at which we stopped developing technology to counter its effects and couldn't physically survive with what we have anymore. I don't see that happening anytime soon. We're at a point where high fertility rates are a threat, not a benefit. From economies to ecosystems, the facets of life on earth need fewer ppl to run sus…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/06/26 01:22 PM
2	If you remove or Ignore the "mens fault" and "woman are beutiful" whats left? Not from underbreeding. A minimum population of humans is 100 individuals. But we def should still address the issues we face.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/06/26 10:05 AM
0	Work on yourself is useless advice I agree that it's reinforced in childhood and that it works sometimes. But it's far from a universal law, esp when it comes to social interaction. Don't we learn in grade school that we can't force Sam to be our friend?	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/26 11:16 PM
6	If you remove or Ignore the "mens fault" and "woman are beutiful" whats left? Not sure what any of this has to do with my comment. But it is interesting that you use dating apps, while believing that the person you're looking for isn't looking for you on there. Kinda like thinking, "Michael's doesn't have milk for sale," and then going exclusively to Michael's and not finding milk.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/26 10:59 PM
1	Work on yourself is useless advice Everyone has a chance. Whether or not it pans out is largely outside of our control. Too many factors that have nothing to do with us, and that have to line up just right. Just like we can do our best to be healthy and live to 100, and still die in a car accident tomorrow. It isn't easy to balance a positive outlook that isn't dependent on achieving goals, while still keeping those goals. But it's a great place to be.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/26 10:20 PM
1	Work on yourself is useless advice It's a bit like mortality, in that we have so little control. Everyone has emotions about it. But the ppl who obsess over "fixing" it have a much harder time than the ppl who have some level of peace with the fact that it can't be "fixed."	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/26 10:07 PM
28	If you remove or Ignore the "mens fault" and "woman are beutiful" whats left? Lots of fun theories... Men report rn that they struggle most with introducing themselves to ppl they don't already know. Sounds like that's the most universally experienced issue. Ppl are all lonelier. We've lost third spaces (not work and not home). Everything costs money, and nobody has any. Religion is increasingly private, when it's present. Hours are long, bc pay is short and the middle class is steadily disappearing. And the state of the world collides with the fact that ignoring it isn't…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/26 09:02 PM
1	Work on yourself is useless advice Not everything that's uncomfortable or unfamiliar is a problem to be solved. A little peace with the nature of life goes a long way.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/26 07:31 PM
1	Work on yourself is useless advice it increases your chances, but it guarantees nothing. I've been surprised to learn that so many men don't get that. After being told over and over that there's no magic fix, why expect that to be a magic fix? smh	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/26 06:21 PM
2	What do abusive men bring to the table? Apparently, none of this is attractive to women. Finding a person attractive is a huge distance from being reasonably certain that you're compatible enough to have a healthy, long-term relationship. That's not a personal indictment. Being incompatible with someone isn't a failure. It's just circumstance. Nobody's fault, just the way it is. Could you just explain why abusive men do so well in dating? Ultimately, they don't. If the goal is a long-term, happy relationship, they're losers. Kinda lik…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/26 06:16 PM
–	If a woman hesitates on a dna test then you HAVE to assume she cheated. But if a woman is asked for a dna test and she resists it in any way, she probably did cheat and there is a seed of doubt in her mind too. By that logic, if you don't give the govt your DNA, you're prob a rapist or murderer. You should def comply if you have nothing to hide, warrant or not.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/26 05:26 PM
–	If a woman hesitates on a dna test then you HAVE to assume she cheated. Men are insanely emotional. An issue with many is that they don't know when they're being emotional. "You're logical," made them believe that, if they think it, it's logic, rather than learning what that actually means, and how to separate it from emotion. Way too many takes on here are just emotion presented as fact...	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/26 05:19 PM
5	Misandry is more prevalent than misogyny When we had this one school assembly, parents kept their kids out of it bc it discussed marital rape. So many men just unwilling to consider that they'd harmed their wives. So many wives who couldn't handle facing that they'd been harmed.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/26 08:01 PM
1	Men will never go back to what they used to be for good reason if the claim here is that the fault of women filing divorces at a higher rate falls on men because they're supposedly not good at working on relationships or whatnot You're missing the point of what's being said. Again. Women are less likely to stay in a dysfunctional marriage. When there's a problem, they're more likely to try than to ignore it. When it's over, they leave. Men sit in it. They don't file for divorce less bc they're busy trying to save the relationship. They file for divorce less…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/26 03:55 PM
1	No one told men marriage was gonna be a nonstop fuck fest. If they aren't having sex, bc she isnt consenting to sex, the only option left is nonconsensual sex. Not sure how you aren't understanding the end result, here.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/26 03:17 PM
1	No one told men marriage was gonna be a nonstop fuck fest. How else do you get nonconsensual sex?	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/26 03:14 PM
1	Men will never go back to what they used to be for good reason spin the blame on women divorcing on men's shoulders You believe that a persom who wallows in a bad situation, while holding others down in it as well, instead of doing anything to improve it deserves praise? That it's behavior to be emulated and celebrated? The same pattern can be seen among gay couples, with lesbians having the highest rate of divorce and gay men having the lowest. I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here. If one group is more likely to pee the bed and lay in it, and anot…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/26 03:13 PM
3	No one told men marriage was gonna be a nonstop fuck fest. Fair enough. Men should put that in writing then. We'd certainly see how many women are willing to allow their bodies to be someone else's property. One has to wonder what a man who wants to own another human being has to offer.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/26 02:37 PM
1	Men will never go back to what they used to be for good reason Except I never said anything about how good grandpa supposedly had it. The statements you're referencing - that women were not happy with the way things were - are said in response to glorifying the past. Disconnecting the words from their meaning in context is missing the point. proof that women [are] more moral I literally said that there's no intrinsic moral difference. They're the one's filing the vast majority [of] divorces Wives are also the ones who try to initiate couples' counseling whe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/26 02:35 PM
1	No one told men marriage was gonna be a nonstop fuck fest. Most marriages become sexless eventually. Most marriages don't end in divorce. Yes, if a requirement is no longer having bodily autonomy, it would need to be written in. Wouldn't hold up anymore in most places, as marital SA is recognized, but it would at least have some appearance of legitimacy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/26 01:25 PM
0	Men will never go back to what they used to be for good reason You're essentially telling them that women are capable of feigning love for an entire marriage and having a whole ass family with a dude they don't really love for some perceived benefit. Yes. Women can lie, too. Esp when they have to. Shocking. But that isn't the point of saying it. The point is that, "but grandpa had it so good, so it's unfair for me to not have a participation trophy wife, too," isn't based in reality. Idealizing a past in which all women were forced to comply is ridiculous. …	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/26 01:22 PM
3	No one told men marriage was gonna be a nonstop fuck fest. I absolutely agree. Yes, sex is better during marriage, and the fact that it's more convenient when you live together matters. But nobody who isn't brand new on the planet has any reason to believe that sex is automatically consistent enough to justify marriage completely. The potential scarcity of sex after marriage is such a commonly understood thing that it's a media trope, ffs. Every 3rd joke is about how it's normal for it to drop off after a bit. We def need to keep pushing against the sec…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/26 12:48 PM
4	No one told men marriage was gonna be a nonstop fuck fest. Wow. So many issues here. Fortunately, the marriage contract does not include requirements for sex. So the premise is dead before we get to the issues.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/26 12:32 PM
1	I don’t understand the big deal about going Dutch Completely valid. There are lots of reasons to go dutch (that aren't being whiny about things being too good) :)	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/26 09:28 PM
1	I don’t understand the big deal about going Dutch Big question is why they don't look for each other.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/26 09:14 PM
3	I don’t understand the big deal about going Dutch "I don't want you to think you have leverage over me, I'm a grown-ass woman who wants to be treated as an equal" post	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/26 09:09 PM
–	Its better to be ignored than ridiculed I'm telling you that you're wrong. They def thought you were fat. So they did exactly what they should've done. You deserved it. And now you aren't hurt anymore. Right?	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/26 08:18 PM
3	I find women from other countries respect men more than in USA? In at least some, maybe most, cases... the same reason strippers are so nice and grandma put on a good show. I grew up in a conservative family, and was primed to have a "traditional" marriage. Not bc men were superior, or even equal, but bc they were lesser in so many ways. Too primitive for self-control and introspection, too stupid to learn to take care of themselves, too fragile to handle anything but coddling. You didn't praise him bc he was actually doing well. You did it bc it was the bes…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/26 08:17 PM
–	When men advice of stop doing something they don't realize that means stay away from most men. But that's off topic. Glad you acknowledged that it would've been whataboutism. Nope. Awesome. Then we agree that it's his problem, and not her fault.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/26 06:39 PM
–	When men advice of stop doing something they don't realize that means stay away from most men. So you know that the red flag exists. Do you just think it's not a red flag, bc other women aren't running from it?	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/26 05:46 PM
–	When men advice of stop doing something they don't realize that means stay away from most men. There are lots of red flags, you know. But if you don't believe that men commonly position themselves as a "protector" who's willing to resolve conflict with violence, I have to wonder how many men you come into contact with in that context.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/26 05:42 PM
–	When men advice of stop doing something they don't realize that means stay away from most men. "Those ppl."	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/26 05:36 PM
–	When men advice of stop doing something they don't realize that means stay away from most men. Lmao sure	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/26 05:30 PM
–	When men advice of stop doing something they don't realize that means stay away from most men. That doesn't make any sense. There's no circle to talk in.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/26 05:20 PM
–	When men advice of stop doing something they don't realize that means stay away from most men. Read it again, pls.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/26 04:44 PM
–	When men advice of stop doing something they don't realize that means stay away from most men. Yep. Just as an example, heavy emphasis on a capacity for violence. Does it mean he's definately gonna beat her up? Nope. Maybe he thinks he sounds brave or protective. But it's not less terrifying just bc he doesn't mean for it to be.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/26 04:28 PM
–	Its better to be ignored than ridiculed I was starting to get thinner by then. Sounds like you were fat. So, which is it? Is it fine for them to fat shame you, or was it cruel and caused you harm?	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/26 04:22 PM
–	When men advice of stop doing something they don't realize that means stay away from most men. Per the Ten for Men study, up to 1 in 3 men have been abusive toward a woman in some way, and 1 in 10 have been violent. Depending on your favorite study, up to 25% have had nonconsensual sexual contact with someone during their late teens or as adults. We know that men are in the midst of a mental health crisis and are much more likely to use unhealthy behaviors instead of seeking evidence-based help. It's not a baseless insult. It's an actual problem - a series of actual problems - that can't …	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/26 04:21 PM
–	Its better to be ignored than ridiculed So if I tell you that those girls picked on you bc they thought you were fat, that changes everything. They did. They just thought you had the wrong build. You're welcome for healing your trauma.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/26 03:41 PM
–	When men advice of stop doing something they don't realize that means stay away from most men. Nope. But if you'd like to call criticism of a dominant demographic's verified behavior the same as demonizing a minority demographic without any valid criticism... free speech, I suppose.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/26 03:08 PM
–	When men advice of stop doing something they don't realize that means stay away from most men. If I give you a bucket of beads that are mostly shaped like diamonds, with a couple of diamonds mixed in, how many times do you think you'll need to reach in and pick one before you find a diamond? Can't be more than two, right?	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/26 03:04 PM
–	When men advice of stop doing something they don't realize that means stay away from most men. Going to the dating debate sub, muttering, "There better not be a diverse collection of ppl here, debating about dating."	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/26 03:00 PM
–	When men advice of stop doing something they don't realize that means stay away from most men. Noticing someone who doesn't have self esteem = looking at them like shit on our shoes just for having the gall to pass us on the street.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/26 02:58 PM
–	When men advice of stop doing something they don't realize that means stay away from most men. Everyone finds a lot of toxic men, bc there are many, many toxic men of various types and degrees. The avg man holds misogynistic ideals, has internalized misandry, hasn't unlearned the terrible stuff he grew up around and absorbed unconsciously, and absolutely has the potential to escalate. (No one is immune to bad choices.) A bit like, "just get a gun and draw it whenever a man crosses a line." We'd never put them away.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/26 02:57 PM
–	When men advice of stop doing something they don't realize that means stay away from most men. The beautiful catch 22. Ignore me? Bad. Notice me? Bad. Do secret third thing, only.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/26 02:51 PM
3	Women appreciate compliments, just not from guys who obviously want sex as a thank you. Absolutely! My apologies, I didn't intend to imply that only compliments from straight women are awesome. (I'm not straight either, and I like to think my compliments are nice.) Only that it's nice when ulterior motives are completely off the table.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/26 02:51 PM
–	When men advice of stop doing something they don't realize that means stay away from most men. Physically getting too close, touching/reaching, being crass, backhanded compliments, displaying capacity for violence ("I'd kill a guy if he ever threatened you," "I can take any of the men in here," open carry, using a knife for something when it's not necessary), following, communicating that he knows personal info ("So, how are things on Main Street?" when address hasn't been shared). Maybe he's trying to be confident, or show that he's invested or adventurous, and just missing the mark, but…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/26 02:39 PM
–	When men advice of stop doing something they don't realize that means stay away from most men. Two bulls hanging out in a barn. One turns to the other and says, "Rabbit said Fox is a predator. Can you believe that?" "Nah," the other bull replies, "I don't know what he's going on about. Fox has never been anything but nice when he passes thru the barn." If you aren't the target, you will never feel targeted. If you aren't around when it's time to hunt, you will never see that behavior. If you aren't doing the bad thing yourself, you may even see the behavior, and just not recognize it. Acc…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/26 12:51 PM
–	When men advice of stop doing something they don't realize that means stay away from most men. You are assuming that the men available to date includes men who aren't toxic in sufficient numbers that they can be differentiated and chosen.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/26 12:21 PM
–	When men advice of stop doing something they don't realize that means stay away from most men. you'd hardly know they were there. Women cannot afford not to notice men. Not reacting isn't the same as not noticing. I fear you may be falling into the classic trap of thinking you and your friends can't have red flags, bc you already know that you're good ppl, so other men must be the same.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/26 12:19 PM
–	Its better to be ignored than ridiculed Exactly. It's different when you do it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/26 12:16 PM
–	Its better to be ignored than ridiculed Tell that to the female classmates healthy dose of fat shaming in order to help them reach their full potential Mean kids were mean, and I carry that trauma to this day! Also, I'm like that, but it's different when I do it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/26 11:44 AM
–	When men advice of stop doing something they don't realize that means stay away from most men. Assuming toxicity is rare is pretty bold.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/26 11:42 AM
–	When men advice of stop doing something they don't realize that means stay away from most men. Eh... Most avg men are rocking red flags. We're told to ignore them precisely bc they aren't exclusive to "bad" men. There's no difference between aggressive behavior coming from a man who's genuinely aggressive and aggressive behavior coming from a man who's insecure, awkward, mimicking some other guy and not really like that, etc. (And there's the fact that men tend to think there are "normal" thresholds. We have to put up with a level of aggression, bc that's just how men are. So those men ar…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/26 11:40 AM
3	Women appreciate compliments, just not from guys who obviously want sex as a thank you. Compliments from straight women are some of the best. They're not trying to get anything, and they get what goes into an outfit/makeup look, so it feels more meaningful. I agree with the advice to compliment something chosen. Bodies are just the luck of the draw. Like, "I love your birthday!" Uh, thanks? I had nothing to do with that. Plus, it avoids any body issues. (I'm not a fan of comments on my hips/butt.) Worth saying that, if he's pursuing aggressively or indiscriminately, they might not …	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/26 10:58 AM
–	Limit your options for better dating results Not the point. "I have no options at all rn," and, "I've narrowed down my options and have none left rn," are not the same thing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/06/26 09:12 PM
–	Limit your options for better dating results Doesn't make them not an option. The point is that men who exclude some women are already being selective.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/06/26 05:33 PM
–	Limit your options for better dating results You saying it’s endless is like saying no amount of improvement will make you attractive. It is endless. That's just the reality of it. We never, ever stop changing, growing and learning. Attractiveness is subjective, and not a currency.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/06/26 04:41 PM
0	Limit your options for better dating results they only count if they were going to succeed anyway. If they have a chance of success. That's what an opportunity is. A chance of success. If there's no chance of success, it's not an opportunity. Before the approach happens, most men don't know with certainty whether a woman is compatible, interested, or open to dating them. Again, that's a good reason to avoid cold approach. Or, at least, to try to be smart about their observations. Your brain surgeon analogy doesn't really work because a dro…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/06/26 03:17 AM
0	Limit your options for better dating results The entire issue many men face in dating is that they often don't know where they realistically stand until after they take the shot. A good reason not to use cold approach. Tho there are still quite a few nonverbal and contextual cues. Where you are, what you're doing, what her clothing/jewelry communicate, etc. (But, yeah, cold approach is usually based solely on looks. Which is why I dislike it. Feels like being in a meat market.) The other issue is that your example assumes there are plenty …	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/26 11:42 PM
-1	Limit your options for better dating results already lowering their standards They shouldn't be. That's the whole thing. Say I'm looking for a job. I know it's rough, so I'll consider an application to be a success if I can get called in for an interview. Bc then at least I have a chance to showcase myself. I go to indeed, and I find 100 jobs I'm qualified for, out of 1k listings. I apply to all of those jobs. The Copa Cabana calls me up. I got one interview out of 100 applications, for a success rate of 1%. In an alternate dimension, anot…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/26 09:23 PM
1	Limit your options for better dating results "I've heard a lot of ppl say that most ppl don't check this one box that's part of the constellation of boxes that comprise attraction," is a long way away from, "nobody could be attracted to me, so I give up."	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/26 08:47 PM
0	Limit your options for better dating results When men say they have no options, they usually mean they have no realistic options they are attracted to, compatible with, or able to build anything with. Yet nobody treats those as real options for women unless there is actual attraction, compatibility, and interest. The entire basis of the idea that women have a bunch of options is that anyone who's open to sex is an option. If it actually means someone who's a compatible and willing potential partner, women's option counts plummet. If women …	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/26 08:19 PM
2	Limit your options for better dating results So? Our bodies are the most boring thing about us. Certainly not the end-all-be-all of attraction. That would be silly.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/26 08:05 PM
0	Limit your options for better dating results Gonna need to see evidence that they've all rejected you before I buy that they've all rejected you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/26 05:52 PM
0	Limit your options for better dating results It’s more an issue of them not knowing how to talk to women Communication is a skill. useless for most men who are struggling The men OP are referencing are discouraged bc they "don't have enough options," and respond to their emotions by trying to connect with as many women as possible. Which is kinda like applying to every ad on indeed. Switching focus from quantity to quality could be very impactful. My point is that men are already limiting their options in practice, by pretending some women…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/26 05:52 PM
1	Limit your options for better dating results 100k, if we remove the estimated proportion of bots and trolls. There are just under 30 million single women who are looking for a relationship in the US. Around 1 million use Tinder at a given time, using the same fake/commercial profile estimates. Given his circumstance, he's looking at finding someone who would be ok dating non-locally (65% of women), aren't afraid of snakes (38%), and have enough interest in fishing to go at least once in a given year (12%). Generously, that's 120k women on …	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/26 05:32 PM
0	Limit your options for better dating results And?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/26 04:11 PM
0	Limit your options for better dating results There is a man Any N=1 study has to be taken with a grain of salt. If all he did was Tinder, he was eliminating every woman who wasn't using Tinder at the same time he was. That's narrowing...	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/26 03:39 PM
-1	Limit your options for better dating results Disabled is really a minor part of the population. So it doesn’t really count. Almost 10% of US women of working age have a disability of some kind. Not a minor part of the population. Does count. The homeless population of adult women in the US is about 2% of the total. Sounds small when compared to 10%, but is huge when compared to zero. women don’t pick you How many women have rejected you, out of the population of potential partners in your city? All of them?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/26 02:55 PM
2	How good would women be at dating if they had to be men for a year and date women? Info: Does everyone know that the switch is only one yr? Has everyone switched? How does our appearance change? Is reproduction on hold? Do we have our memories?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/26 02:32 PM
-2	Limit your options for better dating results except maybe disabled. If they're excluding the disabled, they're narrowing down their options. If they aren't excluding anyone, they have options.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/26 02:02 PM
1	Limit your options for better dating results I’m including fat, old, ugly, and raising kids So you're hitting the dive bar at 2am, church at 10, McDonald's at 12, daycare pickup at 4, the cat food aisle at 5:30, bingo at 6, the food pantry at 7... and the only women you see there are women who've already rejected you? Homeless and disabled would be universal across both genders so it’s fair to exclude that Not everyone does. (Obv... disabled ppl get married, and I just watched a video on a homeless couple's wedding.) You're narrowing down …	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/26 02:01 PM
-1	Limit your options for better dating results Now I learn what I need That's a part of self-development. Congrats! It also includes developing new skills (social, intellectual, practical), healthy routines, strong values, priorities... breaking bad habits, healing past wounds... That's what ppl mean when they say, "self improvement." Becoming the best version of ourselves, one step at a time. Can you see how silly, "there has to be an end," sounds?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/26 01:32 PM
-1	Limit your options for better dating results Are those men including women who are homeless, fat, old, ugly, parents, disabled, etc? If not, they are already narrowing down their options by excluding them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/26 01:20 PM
1	Limit your options for better dating results Most dudes don't. Are they including women who are homeless, fat, old, ugly, raising kids, disabled, etc? If not, they're already narrowing it down by excluding them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/26 01:18 PM
-1	Limit your options for better dating results That must be one exhausting and miserable life then Did you stop learning at graduation?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/26 01:15 PM
1	Limit your options for better dating results A lot of men are struggling just to get enough options in the first place. Men who consider themselves to have no options when there are homeless/fat/ugly/old/divorced/single-parenting women in their cities are already narrowing them down. If they're at zero, it's bc they've chosen to eliminate down to zero. That's not a bad thing. But it is disingenuous to pretend that it's not happening.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/26 01:13 PM
-2	Limit your options for better dating results Yes, self-improvement should have an end somewhere. Nope. It's a lifelong process that never ends, for anyone. That's what life is.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/26 01:08 PM
3	Limit your options for better dating results Are you counting the divorced women at the bar at 2am? The overweight cat ladies who spend their free time at the library? Single moms? Homeless women? Middle-aged women? If not, you're already doing it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/26 01:03 PM
1	Limit your options for better dating results I hope this is satire of the, "it has to end somewhere," attitude that some men have about self-development.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/26 12:52 PM
1	If you think there’s inherent moral injustice in you not getting sex or relationships then you are entitled maximizing pleasure and happiness of the group. Nope. The foundation of morality is maximizing the survival of the group. The ultimate outcome of violence against an individual is a ripple of dysfunction throughout the group, devaluing past investment, reducing current productivity and social participation, and altering future reproductive efforts. The group becomes weak, and failure more likely. That started applying to us before we stood up. A group that finds violence repulsive and acts to pr…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/05/26 03:57 PM
1	If you think there’s inherent moral injustice in you not getting sex or relationships then you are entitled They're just social contracts with the state. The law is, yes. The morality is completely subjective Yes, and no. It's objectively true that killing a 4th grader is bad for the whole group. The resources put into that individual won't be recovered. The generation loses one member's social, economic and reproductive potential. It impacts the productivity and peaceful participation of everyone in the group, to a degree that correlates with the depth of social bonds they had. That interrupts commun…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/26 07:02 PM
3	If you think there’s inherent moral injustice in you not getting sex or relationships then you are entitled there is no morality in society Greater morality is a consensus built on group survival and refined over time. Human rights are a good example. We have a list. It starts with, "you have complete non-transferable ownership of your own body," and expands on it logically. (Then there's personal morality, which is frequently based on a philosophy or belief system that isn't functionally universal, and applies to the adherents alone. That's just us self-regulating based on how we see things.) It exis…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/26 02:09 PM
1	Women here keep doubting (or feigning ignorance) about the acceptability of virulent misandry in mainstream feminism, so here's a feminist YouTuber/Substacker/Podcaster who advocates forced vasectomies for young boys Yes, it was satire. A lot of ppl just can't recognize satire.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/26 01:30 PM
1	Go bag and DNA tests are equivalent In what way mistrusted? In the emergency preparedness scenario, they might feel offended that their parent doesn't believe they'll never make a bad choice. In the testing scenario, there's some level of suspicion inspiring the insistence on the test, which they might feel is inappropriate. trusts them completely, It's not about a lack of trust. It's about emergency preparedness. Again, like the Narcan. Doesn't mean they believe the teen is a horrible kid who is def lying and will def OD. (Or tha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/05/26 01:17 PM
3	Where are all the straight women!? "Straight" means a person experiences sexual and romantic attraction toward a single gender that isn't their own. That's it. If both of those things describe you, you're straight. You don't have to pass a background check or an interrogation from the thought police. Very, "I need a real vegan, not these poseurs who tried eggs once or wonder what it would be like to have real ice cream, bc it's not enough to just meet the definition," vibes.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/05/26 11:50 PM
1	Go bag and DNA tests are equivalent The teen would be the infant deceived by the mother. No. The teen would be the other adult who feels mistrusted. The entire reason the two are juxtaposed in the OP is that both have one party taking action, while the other party feels like the action is proof of mistrust. Party A does X, for reason Y, and Party B could feel offense. Party A (the parents) does X (obtains Narcan to keep in the house), for reason Y (emergency preparedness based on statistical likelihood) and Party B (the teen) coul…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/05/26 11:36 PM
3	🔵BP/Feminists can't get their story straight about whether men's attractiveness is innate (looks) or built (wealth+status+looks) Obligatory "not a hive mind"... Pretty sure we aren't on the same page of what attraction is, and where it matters, in the context of dating/relationships. If we're just looking at pictures, and I ask, "do you like this car?" you're gonna answer solely based on what it looks like. If we're gonna go drive a rental car on a track, for fun, and I ask, "do you like this car?" you're gonna answer based on whether the driving features sound fun. If we're gonna go test drive some cars with the idea tha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/05/26 02:11 PM
7	If you don't disclose what you want sexually before commitment, you have no one to blame but yourself if the woman doesn't like it. people you’ve just met. If the goal is a ONS, then yes, those convos need to take place asap. There's space between "strangers" and "serious," in which ppl looking for a relationship need to have those convos. If you aren't grown enough to ask if someone's into butt stuff, you aren't grown enough to see them naked. If you need time to ease into one, the other is on hold until then. Them's the breaks. spin such bizarre scenarios out of a single finger Nonconsensual penetration is what it is. If y…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/05/26 07:03 PM
–	Any dating problem attributable to a lack of bravery must be blamed on the person showing cowardice, not anyone else Then let's look at some of the things that are disproportionately dangerous for women in terms of physical safety, medical risk, and long-term economic well-being: dating, sex, marriage, having kids, assuming traditional gender roles, drinking alcohol (at all, but esp away from home), traveling, starting a business, running for office, working in a gender-nonconforming industry, and taking medications. Women who do those things despite the risk, with the intent of benefiting themselves and other…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/05/26 06:35 PM
8	If you don't disclose what you want sexually before commitment, you have no one to blame but yourself if the woman doesn't like it. "You have to let me try to penetrate women nonconsensually, and idc if I hurt her, bc I'm shy, and I'm the one who matters."	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/05/26 05:39 PM
–	Any dating problem attributable to a lack of bravery must be blamed on the person showing cowardice, not anyone else What would you define as courageous?	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/05/26 04:22 PM
–	Any dating problem attributable to a lack of bravery must be blamed on the person showing cowardice, not anyone else Would you not consider it to be courageous to voluntarily accept risk for the benefit of yourself and others?	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/05/26 04:05 PM
9	If you don't disclose what you want sexually before commitment, you have no one to blame but yourself if the woman doesn't like it. End of relationship. Not bc I'm not into it. You didn't have my consent. (That's enough to stop. Right there.) I wasn't able to prep. I wasn't relaxed. I know you aren't using lubricant. Who knows what your fingers/nails are like. And we don't have any safety precautions set up. I get that porn doesn't show the prep or acknowledge the risk, but that's bc it's fiction. Doing it wrong puts that person at risk for scars (which can cause permanent pain and tightness), infection, vascular damage, fis…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/05/26 03:53 PM
8	If you don't disclose what you want sexually before commitment, you have no one to blame but yourself if the woman doesn't like it. They should be had before things get serious. Just like there should be conversations about kids, religion, politics, role expectations... all the stuff that's potentially a deal-breaker. In the example of edge play, it really cannot be avoided. Nothing kills the mood like needing to get to the ER.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/05/26 02:53 PM
–	Any dating problem attributable to a lack of bravery must be blamed on the person showing cowardice, not anyone else Would take bravery to consider that women are also courageous, even if it looks different in their lives.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/05/26 02:43 PM
–	Any dating problem attributable to a lack of bravery must be blamed on the person showing cowardice, not anyone else they’ve never needed to be courageous Hard disagree. I believe that men frequently see courage as an event. Women's courage is frequently hidden behind the mundane and taken for granted.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/05/26 02:41 PM
–	Any dating problem attributable to a lack of bravery must be blamed on the person showing cowardice, not anyone else Takes bravery to consider that the person being blamed for your issue may not be to blame. Sounds like it's not a strong suit.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/05/26 02:22 PM
12	If you don't disclose what you want sexually before commitment, you have no one to blame but yourself if the woman doesn't like it. If taking about it is too uncomfortable, doing it isn't on the table. Esp edgeplay like anal. Preferences and interests come out naturally with sexual convos and sexting. For a lot of things, they can get away with just that. I wouldn't recommend it, bc I think everyone deserves preparation. But ppl will do it, and it usually prob won't be an issue. For anything more complex, there def needs to be a separate conversation. And sometimes it looks like that. And it's awesome. Nobody's playing games…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/05/26 02:16 PM
1	Go bag and DNA tests are equivalent the examples where there was no suspicion Aren't part of the OP. The entire premise of the OP is that the two are equivalent bc someone feels like they aren't trusted. Any examples where someone doesn't feel like they aren't trusted lies outside of the OP and are a separate conversation. In those examples the teen is fully aware of each scenario So are the ppl in OP's examples. She can't feel mistrusted if she doesn't know about the paternity test. He can't feel mistrusted if he doesn't know abo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/05/26 05:42 PM
0	Men can only access emotional intimacy through a romantic partner Women could absolutely make it easier. I agreed, and still agree obv, that toxic masculinity has to be uprooted and the coming generations given what they need and deserve. What I commented on is specifically the self-development process. Women cannot unlearn, learn, process and practice for men. That work can only be done by each individual. This sentiment: "You should have had this figured out by now and it's not my job how to teach you to be a person just because you aren't willing to do it y…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/05/26 11:20 PM
0	Men can only access emotional intimacy through a romantic partner The way we fix this is to stop stunting our boys and reach out a hand to them instead of saying things like "You should have had this figured out by now and it's not my job how to teach you to be a person just because you aren't willing to do it yourself" I can see where you're coming from. And I def agree that being kind and educating kids is so important. Can we also acknowledge that women cannot make it any easier? It's hard. We all know it's hard. There's nothing women can do to pave the way…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/05/26 09:54 PM
3	I am pretty sure the women have a misunderstanding about pornography. "The lady doth protest too much, methinks." Hamlet, Act III, Scene II, William Shakespeare, circa 1600.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/05/26 01:53 PM
1	How and when does a woman create a "type"? If the women in your life were completely terrible to you, you don't think you'd look for someone different from them? If your first crushes were on characters in media, you don't think they'd have an impact on you, even if they're different from the women around you? If you already think you know the answer and are only looking for confirmation, you could be honest in the question.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/05/26 01:47 PM
4	I am pretty sure the women have a misunderstanding about pornography. I didn't list searches... The data I used is a ranking of total views.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/05/26 01:45 PM
3	I am pretty sure the women have a misunderstanding about pornography. I didn't list search terms...	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/05/26 01:44 PM
1	Go bag and DNA tests are equivalent do the quick paternity test Which I literally said is just as appropriate. It's bizarre that you're so invested when I agree that the investigative measure you're set on defending is fine. factually wrong Your data is fun! And it comes from murder-suicides, a separate phenomenon, and therefore doesn't include the benefit of input from convicted murderers. Different sources regarding different actions. The point of those nonprofits is that the hard part is two-fold, building a new life (similar t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/05/26 01:43 PM
4	I am pretty sure the women have a misunderstanding about pornography. Jfc I am in the wrong business.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/05/26 11:27 PM
6	I am pretty sure the women have a misunderstanding about pornography. If I started there, could I call it the Early Bird Special rate? (⁠≧⁠▽⁠≦⁠)	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/05/26 11:20 PM
4	I am pretty sure the women have a misunderstanding about pornography. RIP to my search history, but apparently ppl pay $200/hr for that kinda thing. If peepaw wants to pay my bills, I could prob learn... lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/05/26 10:22 PM
5	I am pretty sure the women have a misunderstanding about pornography. Idk, I've never been asked...	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/05/26 10:13 PM
3	There's a difference between "Women Are Wonderful" bias and "Women should be wonderful to me" bias. It does suck. I'm sorry.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/05/26 10:13 PM
53	I am pretty sure the women have a misunderstanding about pornography. The most viewed categories (by total view counts) are Milfs, Anal, Japanese, Lesbian, Mature, Big Ass, Ebony, Massage, BBW and Hardcore. So, prob a lot of men looking around in those categories... (Today I learned that boomers are 36% more likely to search "strap on," and idk what to do with that info.)	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/05/26 10:00 PM
–	The Debate Around "Toxic Masculinity" is Trapping Men Between Two Unhealthy Choices Stuffing emotions down isn't control. It's just fear of facing them. If men had a handle on their emotional and mental health, we wouldn't be here.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/05/26 06:45 PM
1	Go bag and DNA tests are equivalent That the law allows you to even bring your challenge and not have it get instantly thrown out is just the first hurdle. The fact that it isn't easy - tho proven paternity fraud may be the easiest case to bring - doesn't mean it doesn't exist. This isn't a sign because this is normal to happen on its own. It always starts out "normal." Men who never escalate frequently act in exactly the same way that men who escalate do. Tolerating it is expected. Doesn't mean it's not disturbing. Just means we'…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/05/26 05:56 PM
1	How and when does a woman create a "type"? Not everyone associates the men in their lives with trust.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/05/26 05:03 PM
4	How and when does a woman create a "type"? Childhood. A lot of us develop our "type" in childhood. Mine is a combination of the kind of men I grew up around and the kind of men I got my first crushes on. It's not really conscious. It just happens. I know other women have had the same experience, and I'd hazard that's the deal with almost all of us. It's not limiting, ime. I like looking at men who are my type. I like seeing them in movies and books. But I've only been with one man who fit, and I'm not disappointed. I don't wish my partne…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/05/26 02:05 PM
1	The way to fix the gender wars is for men to become more like women. traditional masculinity The issue is toxicity. Eg. "Stoicism" is fine when it means that a man has emotional intelligence, can regulate his feelings in tough situations, processes in healthy ways, and moves forward. Not so much when it means stuffing emotions down until they pour out behind closed doors, turning into unhealthy coping mechanisms, self-punishment and shame that only compound the issue. The first kind is awesome. It's understated, private and controlled, for the ppl who are into th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/05/26 08:17 PM
1	The way to fix the gender wars is for men to become more like women. men and women generally seek and reward those things. Men have been shown to judge one another quicker and more harshly for failing to meet masculine stereotypes than women. Men seek the validation of other men much more than they do the validation of women. (Which makes sense, bc the idea of impressing women directly is fairly new. For a long time, you had to impress her dad or another man in charge, and then you'd be handed a woman. Had nothing to do with her.) Importantly... Men didn't reward…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/05/26 05:26 PM
1	The way to fix the gender wars is for men to become more like women. it takes everyone Me choosing to go to the Dr doesn't take everyone. Just me. Why do men need women to cheerlead/force/bribe/whatever? No you don't It's incredibly misandrist to reject what other men share about themselves. You don't know them better than they do. We're talking about actual data collected directly from men. Society coddles you Is that what it is when they make bedazzled pepper spray, so women can be held accountable for the choices of men without sacrificing style? Not everyone …	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/05/26 05:16 PM
3	The way to fix the gender wars is for men to become more like women. Men have invented the vast majority of every product. You're funny. But go off, king. As long as you feel super special, based solely on the accident of your birth. faced no personal consequences for their activism That's such a relief. When do you think men stopped abusing, SAing, arresting, exiling and murdering women and girls to punish them for not being obedient? It would have to be before any progress was made, so... back when women were glorified livestock in most of the world? Men just w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/05/26 01:48 AM
5	The way to fix the gender wars is for men to become more like women. I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the hypocrisy you're showcasing by continuing to use your devices. I wish you had credibility... Men deserve better representation.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/05/26 01:28 AM
1	The way to fix the gender wars is for men to become more like women. Nope. Good try, tho	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/05/26 12:55 AM
4	The way to fix the gender wars is for men to become more like women. Men suddenly became smart enough to recognize women as human beings and to take advantage of their sociopolitical and economic potential? (But not competent enough to fix the baseline, or to teach future generations of men to not screw it up...) All on their own, for no reason, just woke up smarter? Seems like you got your history from some podcast bros and FB infographics. Which is ironic, bc that's only possible bc of Ada Lovelace, Hedwig Keisler, Grace Hopper, Frances Holberton, Milly Koss, P…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/05/26 12:53 AM
2	The way to fix the gender wars is for men to become more like women. throwing away the expectation of masculinity is always a negative to both genders Nope. It's all about social roles and behaviors, and plenty of ppl naturally fill various niches in a given community. Nothing topples when we stop forcing it on ppl. Besides, masculinity isn't a problem. Dysfunctional stereotypes about masculinity are a problem. Not the same thing at all.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/05/26 09:19 PM
1	The Debate Around "Toxic Masculinity" is Trapping Men Between Two Unhealthy Choices Are you saying they enjoy emotional constipation, or that their mental and emotional health is in tatters for fun?	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/05/26 09:17 PM
6	The way to fix the gender wars is for men to become more like women. We expect the same amount of support in fixing our issues that we gave to the ladies toward fixing theirs So... to be an active barrier to your lives, then giving an attaboy when you've already done the hardest work, and pretending we did it? My apologies, but we're already doing more than that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/05/26 09:14 PM
8	The way to fix the gender wars is for men to become more like women. Easier said than done. Everything worth doing is easier said than done. It's central to the human experience. We ask men why they do and don't do things. We know why they have weaker ethical standards - it doesn't feel as good as focusing on winning rather than doing the right thing. We know why they don't reject toxic stereotypes, build social networks, and take care of their bodies and minds - it's uncomfortable. We know why they don't involve themselves in society to the degree women do - it …	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/05/26 05:28 PM
8	The way to fix the gender wars is for men to become more like women. Right because women don't rely on men for emotional support Do you not understand how demographic trends work? Not every individual fits the trend. The trend isn't confined with hard lines. And it still matters. Women, as a whole, do not rely entirely on having a partner to fulfill their needs. They build networks of friends and family (and therapists/support groups). Those networks of meaningful connections provide support when there isn't a partner around. Men, as a whole, have much more shall…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/05/26 05:12 PM
6	The way to fix the gender wars is for men to become more like women. Women: [live well in increasing numbers over time] Men: Why aren't we living well, too? Women: Uhm, do some of what we've been doing, since it's obv working? Men: Omg you're so full of yourselves, just accept that you suck forever and deserve nothing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/05/26 03:52 PM
6	The way to fix the gender wars is for men to become more like women. Oops! lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/05/26 01:49 PM
–	In a bodyswap, who would you choose? Who would you want her to choose? His mind. That's the part I love, trust, respect, enjoy being with, and am turned on by. The rest is the suit that the person I'm with is wearing. Not saying there wouldn't be an adjustment - I've been with my partners for 20 and 5 yrs, respectively - but we can adapt to body changes, just like we have before.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/05/26 01:46 PM
23	The way to fix the gender wars is for men to become more like women. Got me, too. I was hoping for something with substance. Something about building meaningful social networks, so being single doesn't mean never having their emotional needs met... rejecting women who reject them while maintaining dignity... not waiting for someone else to fix their mental and emotional health... doing what it takes to better themselves, esp when it's hard and uncomfortable... taking pride in being good ppl and living well, regardless of circumstance... pushing body neutrality an…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/05/26 01:39 PM
1	The Debate Around "Toxic Masculinity" is Trapping Men Between Two Unhealthy Choices the confusion around toxic masculinity has given open license for anything a man does to be labeled "toxic", including defending himself against accusations of being toxic. A good place to start would be understanding that being affected by toxic masculinity doesn't make a person inherently toxic. To have productive conversations, we have to separate ourselves from our thoughts and actions, to understand that we absorb what we marinate in - like it or not - and to regulate our emotions around th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/05/26 12:56 PM
1	Go bag and DNA tests are equivalent it sucks for the child even if not-bio-dad doesn't bail I agree. Just like it sucks to grieve any kind of loss, even with family. It def still matters if the other ppl who are grieving push them away. a good faith effort, which I guess you're saying most don't or wouldn't make Yep. I'm also skeptical of the argument that men who are upset about being deceived in this way only care that the child doesn't share their DNA The most common narrative is resentment over having wasted time/money on the …	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/05/26 01:06 AM
1	Go bag and DNA tests are equivalent The deception happening is infidelity (assuming that's the cause of the inconsistency). The child isn't biologically related to him. Still the same person. Framing the relationship between them as a trick devalues it. And it's the segue into dropping the kid - which is what most affected men do. It isn't illegal, obv. And it doesn't change her culpability at all. It's also difficult to reconcile with concern for the child. (Not only did they just find out mom cheated, but now dad's bailed, so th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/05/26 08:43 PM
2	The Debate Around "Toxic Masculinity" is Trapping Men Between Two Unhealthy Choices Colloquially, I think the best way to communicate what's meant by toxic masculinity is, "the pressure to conform to harmful stereotypes about manhood." I think the issue of confusion boils down in many, if not most, cases to a refusal to look it up. It's like "privilege" in that way. It's hard to find an avg man who thinks nobody is hurt by the idea that men aren't allowed to have emotions (outside of angry and horny) or to cry. It's among the biggest complaints about men's socialization. That's…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/05/26 06:21 PM
1	Go bag and DNA tests are equivalent I don't think there is any state where you can wait until 18 if you're married to the woman and/or taking an active role in the kid's life. The moment you're thinking about taking on a parental role or have presumed paternity, you typically have quite a narrow window. You may be thinking of the type of deestablishment that's done without a filing. That has a 60-ish day window. You can still file with the court system. Most states' statute of limitations goes by the kid's age. A few are a set num…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/05/26 06:13 PM
1	Go bag and DNA tests are equivalent Are you taking into account the situations where the presumed father has no reason to believe that something needs to be addressed, but it does? Again, the entire reason OP has for equating a go bag to a paternity test is that they both could make the other person feel like they aren't trusted. The fact that he's demanding it is the part that can make her feel like he doesn't trust her. Instances in which he doesn't initiate a test don't have that aspect. tricked into loving a child Yeah, that k…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/05/26 05:27 PM
9	The bare minimum is fine. Women just romanticize codependency and anxious attachment I disagree that it's a single-gender issue. As a whole, men are incredibly dependent on women, and it manifests in codependent behavior quite often. Kids have long been fed the narrative that The One will be their everything, and they will be The One's everything. Starting with that expectation is being set up for failure.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/05/26 12:31 AM
3	Go bag and DNA tests are equivalent If you're only looking at family court data, the victims being in infancy, don't experience the effects of the fraud the way those in adolescence or adulthood do, triggering depression, suicidal ideation, familial relationships destroyed, many severing ties with the mother due to feelings of betrayal and anger. Do you see a lot of cases of men demanding paternity tests bc they're concerned for the wellbeing of the child involved? What we're discussing are paternity tests initiated by men who've …	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/05/26 11:38 PM
2	Go bag and DNA tests are equivalent men have a narrow window to contest paternity Where do you live that has a narrow window? I believe the shortest deadline to file a deestablishment affidavit in the US is in Oregon - 1 yr after discovery of the mistake/fraud. Most are until the kid turns 18, or longer. you can leave if a relationship becomes abusive at any time That's what a go bag is for. To be able to leave at any time, without prolonging the process or being forced to run errands right after. (Expensive, but also unsafe to be…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/05/26 05:49 PM
0	The manospheres biggest lie Mature means middle-aged or older. You'll see anything from 30 to 80 in a search. Brute numbers on searches aren't released.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/05/26 01:49 PM
1	Go bag and DNA tests are equivalent The prevalence, type and impact of the two aren't equivalent. One is a diagnostic measure, to see if an offense has occurred. The other is a form of insurance to protect oneself if an offense occurs. One is a rare occurrence (up to 4% of births involve fraudulent paternity discovery) and one is not (around 20% of relationships are physically abusive). Both have significant impact, but the difference in rates of lasting psychological harm is not equal (60% vs 84%). I don't think it's a solid comp…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/05/26 01:45 PM
2	What is the point of dating men if they will always prefer younger women? We just have to use our psychic powers and only date the guys who "aren't like other men."	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/05/26 11:40 AM
–	Redpillers… are y’all so jaded that being liked is not enough? But for some reason we have decided they men projecting male fantasies on women is horrible and sexist and misogynistic, while women projecting their fantasies on men is totally viable and men just have to step up to deserve being wanted. I disagree that it's appropriate for anyone to project their fantasies onto anyone else. We all have to be fair, realistic and autonomous. But I do feel like more ppl are looking for imperfect, real-world versions of the things they find appealing than a 1:1 re…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/05/26 08:52 PM
1	When men and women say they have “no options” it means two completely different things Apps do not "allow" scammers to utilize bots to prey on their clientele. The long-term model for crappy dating apps is to get men to buy premium. That's it. Don't need a bunch of women to convince them, just to plant the idea that The One is behind the paywall. Depending on the scam, women can be more vulnerable than men. If I were gonna try to get someone to send me money, I'd look for lonely women. They're less likely to identify a lie. They rely more heavily on nonverbal cues, which are bypas…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/05/26 06:07 PM
2	When men and women say they have “no options” it means two completely different things Men overestimate how decent they are. I've never met a man with poor character who knew he had poor character. Everyone thinks they're decent enough. If it helps, the trend projection is that around 80% of today's young men will have been married at least once by 45, despite the fact that almost 60% of single zoomers are intentionally single rn. Ppl are just marrying later. (Later marriage is associated with lower divorce rates and higher satisfaction, so that's a good thing, if you ask me.) The…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/05/26 10:53 AM
7	When men and women say they have “no options” it means two completely different things single, pleasant men who are objectively on their level Men greatly overestimate their "objective" appeal.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/05/26 10:16 AM
2	When men and women say they have “no options” it means two completely different things Apps don't "allow" bots, etc. Women are just as vulnerable to scams as men are.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/05/26 10:11 AM
2	When men and women say they have “no options” it means two completely different things Nope.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/05/26 10:07 AM
1	Self-proclaimed "nice guys" are not nice guys Not men being oblivious to the difference between a genuinely nice guy and a Nice Guy™...	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/05/26 10:06 AM
9	If the orgasm gap wasn’t a thing and you orgasmed every single time you slept with someone, would you increase your casual encounters more? Nope. Risk/reward ratio is too high. Plus, good sex is more than an orgasm.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/05/26 09:56 AM
1	Would you leave this woman? You so nicely illustrate the point. lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/05/26 02:48 AM
5	When men and women say they have “no options” it means two completely different things Compatibility. What everyone ultimately wants.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/05/26 12:50 AM
3	When men and women say they have “no options” it means two completely different things The entitlement is so fun. How dare anyone expect compatibility, when they could have someone incompatible, like me!	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/05/26 12:32 AM
3	When men and women say they have “no options” it means two completely different things Weird, bc the bajillion options I'm supposed to have aren't contacting me. Guess I have no options...	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/26 11:58 PM
6	Would you leave this woman? Is it just me, or do a lot of guys struggle with hypotheticals?	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/26 11:27 PM
5	Would you leave this woman? The deal-breaker is, "you did X for him, and now you won't do X for me," not anal specifically.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/26 11:24 PM
1	When men and women say they have “no options” it means two completely different things "Feeling invisible in dating refers to the experience of being overlooked, ignored, or perceived as forgettable by potential romantic partners, often despite one’s efforts to connect." Would you agree?	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/26 11:11 PM
5	When men and women say they have “no options” it means two completely different things "You've never had this problem!" "I had this problem." "You didn't have this problem long enough!"	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/26 11:02 PM
7	When men and women say they have “no options” it means two completely different things Weird how the, "she needs to tear my clothes off like an incredible hulk porno, or she isn't attracted to me, and I won't stoop that low," crowd mingles with the, "if you aren't willing to hop onto anything vaguely man-shaped, your standards are too high, get out," crowd.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/26 10:59 PM
8	When men and women say they have “no options” it means two completely different things Men are less picky when it's just looking at a photo. When personality is taken into account, they rate 90% of women as unattractive. We're all picky when it comes down to the whole package.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/26 10:53 PM
0	When men and women say they have “no options” it means two completely different things Are y'all hoofing it to the seedy dives at 2am to hit up the thrice-divorced barflies? If not, you've got options.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/26 10:51 PM
1	When men and women say they have “no options” it means two completely different things Being a guy and being a compatible guy with decent character are not the same thing. Back around to, "you have to give me a chance whether you want to or not."	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/26 10:49 PM
8	When men and women say they have “no options” it means two completely different things Men match without even looking. Might as well be bots. Could be bots for all anyone knows.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/26 10:47 PM
8	When men and women say they have “no options” it means two completely different things Nope. Men say they have no options, when there are 55-yr-old barflies who would love a ride home at 2am. They just don't want 'em.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/26 10:42 PM
2	The manospheres biggest lie how do you square the circle in that women, who often self-proclaim reading novels instead, read about BDSM, stalking/obsession, rape or borderline rape? Erotica is all metaphor. Irl kinks are largely the same. Does that mean that women dont wanna date all of those men in their novels. But it does mean that that those characteristics and acts have a sexual appeal for women? That's the logical conclusion. Yes, insofar as the metaphor reaches. CNC is a good one that's well-studied and very common.…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/05/26 02:23 PM
1	The manospheres biggest lie your claim that men have no priortizaton of value hierachy on looks I'm not saying individual preferences don't exist, or even that trends don't exist. Only that there's evidence that many men find middle-aged and older women attractive, despite the narrative that they don't. that there is a diffrence between reality and fiction Absolutely. However... We are looking at search terms, rather than incidental watching. Not like they searched for leather bunny suits and it happened to be an older wom…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/26 11:50 PM
1	Redpillers… are y’all so jaded that being liked is not enough? We also like minotaurs! (⁠✿⁠ ⁠♡⁠‿⁠♡⁠) It's all metaphorical. Money is freedom from mundane worries. We really love it when he doesn't reveal it till the end, bc the protagonist is ready to sacrifice for him, but doesn't have to. Also nice when he has no worries, and he takes on her worries. He recognizes his privilege and sacrifices for her, even tho we would expect him to be selfish and shitty. Vampires - the modern ones - used to just be a cover for sexuality. When you aren't allowed to talk a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/26 11:08 PM
2	The manospheres biggest lie I´m not happy with your answer. I acknowledge your unhappiness. My understanding and belief is that many women feel a sense of loss in not experiencing (net postive all things considred) the same beneficial treatment that they recivied before. That's not an issue of perception. It's an issue of treatment. Which is what I said. The way they're treated affects how they feel. Since the way they're treated doesn't match the sexual value of their demographic, one of the two is made up. Ppl tend not t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/26 09:40 PM
2	The manospheres biggest lie Do you disagree that many women around 50 feel invisible based on how they were percivied before? I agree that women feel differently based on how they're treated. However, treatment isn't an accurate measure of preference in this case. It's obv that men do not find women over 30 repulsive. They frequently pretend to, to justify poor treatment, but they go home and ogle those same women. (A bit like homophobes going home to get on grindr.) the mature category is, to my understanding, anywhere fr…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/26 08:25 PM
2	The manospheres biggest lie If you are talking about being in the possession of a child and being their legal guardian for 18 years, plenty of women are forced by their husbands/communities to be mothers when they don't want to be, or they are shamed into thinking they should want it when they don't. Women aren't forced to have custody. I'm not saying everyone is supported in their choices. But it is a choice in the same way that getting a replacement knee is. Once you get there, every choice is imperfect... and it's still…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/26 07:34 PM
2	The manospheres biggest lie I don't think pregnancy is always elective like your other two examples, unfortunately. Pregnancy can be nonconsensual. Birth shouldn't be, but can be. Parenthood isn't. That's a choice. Raising a child is elective. I really want to know what I'm asking a woman to put herself through. I hope it goes well. Genuinely. I haven't been in full labor, and the contractions I had were worse than a kidney stone. (Just read a paper on cis men having more natural painkilling chemical production, so maybe i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/26 07:12 PM
3	The manospheres biggest lie the wider culture accepts this as a choice for women(which is good btw). We're starting to get there. We aren't there yet. Esp not in cultures that are heavily influenced by religion. Honestly, that's not a bad rate Worse than not having kids, better than knee replacement surgery. The point is that nobody "warns" women who have kids that they might regret it. The majority of ppl still "warn" childfree women that they will, despite data indicating they're at much less risk of regret.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/26 06:39 PM
2	The manospheres biggest lie (i.e., when every vestige of their fertility-signaling traits are gone) Fertility decreases long before then. Millennials are already there. Elder zoomers have about 5 yrs before perimenopause starts reaching their demographic. Logically, women are making peace with not having kids at that point, if not before. Nobody wakes up at 60 like, "oh, no, I forgot to have kids." Js... having no sex appeal Speak for your own preferences. 7 of the top 20 porn searches, globally, are for mature women (freq…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/26 06:29 PM
9	The manospheres biggest lie Old and childfree... Regret is fairly rare. Depending on your favorite study, as little as 4% have regret - almost entirely what's called "whistful regret," which is an interest in what could've been without a legitimate desire for that outcome. Parenthood has a more than 10% regret rate, higher if they're adoptive parents. But we aren't in the habit of questioning whether they're happy. They're doing what they're "supposed to," so the assumption is that any downsides are vastly outweighed. I se…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/26 05:46 PM
7	The manospheres biggest lie a lot of the reasons I hear for not wanting kids are problems that could be solved, and not a genuine lack of desire to be a parent. If the world changed in huge ways, a lot of us would make different choices. But it hasn't changed in huge ways, and it prob won't. Making peace with the fact that a person isn't willing to make the ideal choice under the circumstances they're in, and building happiness, is just as valid.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/26 05:38 PM
4	Would you rather us be unconscious? Way, way more than would admit it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/26 05:31 PM
3	How will we convince the next generation to have kids, even though almost none of us want to have any? Anyone who can be convinced to have kids shouldn't have them. Kids deserve parents with solid values and life plans, who've given the decision lots of consideration. We don't convince anyone. We support everyone's decisions. she would’ve been interested in him before age 30 if he was actually attractive to her Young men can be unattractive for a lot of reasons, and become more attractive when they're full adults with life experience. Young women can be unaware of what they ultimately want in lif…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/26 02:37 PM
1	Why do women claim they are being used for sex once a man realizes he is incompatible with her? No, she has to feel lust for me. Not perform it. How do you know that she feels it unless she's performing? Are you psychic? I don't want sex without connection. Yes, you do. Sex without investment in a relationship is not sex with connection. It's sex before connection, while you're still mulling it over. And if you aren't honest about that, it's not even sex with respect. connect with me. Why should she invest when you not only aren't investing, but aren't telling her that you aren't investing…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/26 02:18 PM
1	Can women really not understand where Nice Guys come from ? take accountability What are women taking accountability for in this situation? What are men taking accountability for? What does that look like on each side?	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/26 02:13 PM
1	Why do women claim they are being used for sex once a man realizes he is incompatible with her? Your whole excuse for wanting sex without connection is that you need to know if you're compatible first. Now you don't care if you're compatible, as long as she performs lust for you? Sounds like you just wanna watch her take an unreasonable risk for you while you claim no part in it. I think it's gross, but not everyone will. Just say that's what you want up-front.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/26 02:11 PM
1	Why do women claim they are being used for sex once a man realizes he is incompatible with her? Thats not my experience at all. All due respect, you need to do it differently. Actually talk about it. It's still not gonna be great, but you should know a lot about one another by then. If you can't talk about sex before having sex, you aren't ready for sex. I will enjoy her Then you don't need to worry about her being compatible with you. Just whether you're compatible with her.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/26 01:58 PM
1	Why do women claim they are being used for sex once a man realizes he is incompatible with her? Women do not all agree that the first time sucks. most of them never give you a second chance I never said everyone agrees it always does... but uh, do you not see the irony in juxtaposing, "it doesn't always suck for her," with, "she usually doesn't do it again"? Thats implied. No, it's not implied that you won't invest until having sex. It makes sense to you. That doesn't mean it makes sense to anyone else. (Makes zero sense to me, unless you're trying to get as many child support arrangements…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/05/26 01:06 PM
1	Men "lying to get sex" is a manipulative blanket narrative. Sex in that context is no more dangerous than sex in any other context. The risks are the same. The mitigation is not. If a stable couple has Bad Thing happen, they are much more prepared to handle it as a unit, with the minimum amount of harm done. Strangers and acquaintances are not. The entirety of the risk to her is shouldered by her. It is not reasonable to expect her to take that lightly. (Nor should he, to be frank.) you can't actually know that was his motivation. Effect trumps intent. I…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/05/26 01:27 PM
3	Why do Men degrade and insult Women who have sex with them? assume access to intimate information about what a given couple has, or hasn't, agreed to. You asked what the difference is between a woman using derogatory language to describe her role in their sexual activities, and her bf using derogatory language to describe her role in their sexual activities. The difference is consent. I think most people would say the extent to which intent matters depends on context, and then proceed to disagree about both extent and context. What they're discussing is …	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/05/26 01:19 PM
1	Men "lying to get sex" is a manipulative blanket narrative. Nah it's not necessarily dangerous. Sex is dangerous. It's quite a bit more dangerous for cis women with cis men - anywhere from the clap to, ultimately, loss of life - but it's still not safe for anyone. No such obligation exists, unfortunately. Of course it does. Ethical imperatives are universal. A man can choose to behave unethically... but not to turn around and claim he didn't.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/26 06:30 PM
1	Men "lying to get sex" is a manipulative blanket narrative. That's debatable (although I tend to agree it usually works out better if both partners do figure things out beforehand). It's a dangerous activity. Might as well jump out of a plane after letting a stranger pack your parachute bc it's "not a big deal." That's not a smart decision. In any case, there just aren't any guarantees and there are no obligations either. We are all obligated to be honest. He doesn't get to pretend they've begun a relationship when he's actually not invested. She doesn't…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/26 05:48 PM
1	Men "lying to get sex" is a manipulative blanket narrative. People don't have their feelings about this planned out ahead of time, generally. Treating sex flippantly, doing it before getting an idea of where it's headed, isn't smart. Doesn't matter who you are. (Tho I'd argue cis women should be the most aware, bc they have the most to lose.)	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/26 05:12 PM
6	Why do Men degrade and insult Women who have sex with them? When you see women posting tik toks literally celebrating that they "got cracked," it's clear that they don't perceive themselves as humiliated. If their boyfriends say it too, who's to say whether they perceive themselves as performing humiliation? As usual, the difference is consent. If I jokingly call myself a slut, I am consenting to that, obv. If my partner says it, knowing I'm cool with it, I am consenting to that. If my partner says it, not having discussed it with me, I haven't consented…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/26 05:10 PM
23	Why do some women, especially on Reddit, instantly assume that men who simply vent about dating struggles are entitled to a relationship? Your kid is upset bc they haven't gotten a pony yet. They come to you to complain. Not to their peers, to commiserate, but to you - the person who "could fix it if they wanted." They say things like, "I've wanted a pony for so long. I would take such good care of it. It would make me so happy. But no one has given me one. If I never get one, I just don't know what I'll do..." That's obv fishing for a pony. They expect a pony to materialize and fix their feelings. Since that's def not happening, …	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/26 04:54 PM
1	You are not entitled to a relationship The guy may be worried he is coming off as a fuckboy/shallow If you are the one with the problem make your voice heard and don't just make it the responsibility of everyone else, if you can't even do this then honestly you aren't adult enough to be dating and having sex to begin with. Ding, ding, ding. If he feels bad about what he's trying to do, to the extent that he thinks leading her on is preferable to being honest, he's not ready for sex at all. with how common things like fwbs/situationsh…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/26 04:41 PM
0	You are not entitled to a relationship in that scenario he would be misleading you Which is what a man is doing when he misleads a woman this way. He knows that his intentions aren't the standard, and aren't considerate. But bc he can anticipate that she's unlikely to agree to take a risk for his benefit if he's honest, he chooses to hide those intentions. That is dishonesty. (damn women really hate that 1 lol) Yeah. Men are weirdly the same way about being asked exactly how big their genitals are, knowing the expectation is that the…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/26 04:10 PM
0	You are not entitled to a relationship If you get into a car just making assumptions where you are going you can't cry kidnapping if it goes somewhere else than you assumed Does it make sense for you to assume that, "I'm hungry and it's lunch time, let me come pick you up," means I'm gonna drive you off a cliff? Given that I worded it in a way that reasonably implies lunch, I am intentionally misleading you. That's dishonesty. 2 different things I agree. in this scenario neither is the woman Back to arguing that body count = intentio…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/26 03:37 PM
1	You are not entitled to a relationship I hate this broad view of informed consent Informed means informed. If you get in my car, thinking we're going to lunch, and I drive off a cliff instead, you didn't consent to be driven off a cliff. You wouldn't have gotten in the car if you'd known that was the plan. That's dishonest of me, and unfair to you. Women deserve the same respect and consideration that you do. unless we are going to include things like women being up-front about their body count or something the woman is also not maki…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/26 02:52 PM
7	Can women really not understand where Nice Guys come from ? I get how they went from A to B. Doesn't change anything.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/26 12:00 PM
1	Men "lying to get sex" is a manipulative blanket narrative. Not being honest about your intentions/circumstances/expectations is lying. Frankly, if he feels he can't be honest with a woman, they have no business having sex.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/26 11:35 AM
0	You are not entitled to a relationship It's dishonest to hide one's intentions. Particularly when the risk is so high. It would be equally wrong for her to let you believe she didn't have herpes, a husband, a condom with holes poked in it, etc. Don't forget that consent must be freely given, reversible, informed, enthusiastic, and specific, or it's not consent. Presumably, you don't wanna have sex with someone who hasn't fully consented. So don't.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/05/26 11:27 AM
2	When will people admit that masturbating to lesbian porn as a woman is extremely gay? Both irrelevant questions. The issue at hand is whether or not enjoying a work of fiction has to define a person's real-life interests or desires. The answer is no. Your personal preferences aren't the "rules" for everyone in your demographic.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/05/26 11:51 AM
2	When will people admit that masturbating to lesbian porn as a woman is extremely gay? entertainment, not something to masturbate to Masturbation is entertainment. It's just fun. It serves no other purpose. If you want something more accurate try imagining a man masturbating to CP. CSEM isn't bad bc it's icky to look at. It's bad bc it's evidence of the abuse of a child. Same reason a snuff film is bad. It's evidence of a murder. A person who isn't appalled by the torture or murder of an actual human being needs help. Both horror films and porn are fiction. They're scripted perfor…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/26 07:09 PM
2	Men need to start leaving women alone. My assertion was that too much attention from men makes women entitled and self centered, which is true. Entitled to what? Physical attraction is what keeps most relationships going If that were the case, changing attraction would be one of the top reasons for divorce. It's not even on the list. And we know that tall/conventionally attractive men divorce at a higher rate than their peers, indicating that sexual attraction to someone's looks is a weaker force within a relationship than matters of…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/26 04:11 PM
–	Do you fall in quickly or slowly? It's not immediate, but it doesn't have to take a long time, necessarily. Depends on how long it takes to get an idea of who they are. Imperfect analogy, obv, but it's like getting a new gadget, in that the box is just the box. Sure, it could be cute, but that has nothing to do with what's inside of it. I need to know the traits that matter.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/26 04:05 PM
1	Men need to start leaving women alone. I never said they do. Your assertion is that women have become entitled - to what, if not the effort you're referencing? This is basically what the post is saying. You attributed meaninglessness to all effort, bc women feel entitled to it. Not bc it is unwanted - we can want what we feel entitled to - and not bc the person giving it is doing so resentfully, but bc there's too much of it going around. You add that it may be considered meaningful if a man is attractive. That reduces a desire for a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/26 03:52 PM
1	Men need to start leaving women alone. Women, as a whole, do not expect to be pursued by or receive attention from every man - just the men who wanna pursue them or give attention. It's not the baseline state. It's a state a man can choose to enter into if he wants. It's also a state a woman can choose to enter into if she wants. If she doesn't, it's bc she doesn't want to. A connection with potential for success has both partners engaging in relatively equal measure. Effort is not meaningless in itself. Effort from a person who does…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/26 03:30 PM
5	When will people admit that masturbating to lesbian porn as a woman is extremely gay? If women are aroused by lesbian porn it means they are not straight. Then if a person enjoys horror movies, they must wanna be victimized. Or to victimize others, I suppose...	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/26 02:37 PM
1	Women are scared of not having the power in dating Of course it does. If you can't even define what your assumed social superiority includes, how can you assert that it exists, let alone that women want it or are afraid of losing it?	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/26 02:35 PM
1	How do you think guys should meet new people, and what are the pros/cons of each approach, in your opinion? Men should do what they think is best for them, depending on what they're looking for. I'm an OLD fan, bc it provides the opportunity to share important information up-front. That's an efficient way to remove incompatible ppl from one's dating pool. There's no inherent physical danger in the initial contact stages. And we know it can work - more than half of relationships that began within the last couple of yrs are between ppl who met online. That said, it has to be used well, which is the bigg…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/26 02:34 PM
1	Women are scared of not having the power in dating Are you of the opinion that being in less physical danger - as close to the level of physical danger men face as possible - is social superiority?	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/26 02:15 PM
0	Women are scared of not having the power in dating How tf would man pursing more assuage physical risk? No one has said it would. I don't think you're following along. The debate in question is woman wanting the man to pursue him more than she pursues Nope. The debate is that having the preference of being pursued equals social superiority, and that this social superiority is the thing women are most "afraid of." The first half is silly, but it's not necessary to address it, bc women are demonstrably not most "afraid of" losing any kind of assum…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/26 02:12 PM
4	How do you think guys should meet new people, and what are the pros/cons of each approach, in your opinion? don’t believe women are attracted to a guy if they wouldn’t sleep with him the first day they meet him Sex is not a safe activity. If you won't let me pack your skydiving parachute when we just met, all that tells me is that you aren't an idiot.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/26 02:05 PM
4	Women are scared of not having the power in dating You suggested that women are scared of not having some implied social supremacy. Women, as a whole, don't complain about social supremacy. They complain about being expected to take one-sided physical risks without any consideration. Which indicates not only that men are the ones with a measurable form of supremacy, but that the logical way to get to your conclusion is to imagine, "don't expect me to take one-sided physical risks without any consideration," to be a demand for social supremacy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/26 01:59 PM
1	Men need to start leaving women alone. Disagree that it works the way you think it does. Love the execution, tho. Please leave women alone.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/26 01:55 PM
6	When will people admit that masturbating to lesbian porn as a woman is extremely gay? When will ppl admit that watching horror movies means a person wants to be attacked by murderers and monsters irl?	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/26 01:48 PM
9	Women are scared of not having the power in dating Considering that the reason women give for being dissatisfied with the dating scene is physical danger... If I had to guess what a significant number of women are "afraid of," power-wise, it's the vulnerability that dating requires.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/26 01:46 PM
-2	If men focus on compatibility, they wouldn’t have to ‘play jester’ and be ‘Dance Monkeys’ on dates. Then the number of women you "like" is necessarily low. And the number of men a given woman "likes" is necessarily low. You aren't competing which a bunch of guys. You're only competing with the joy of solitude and a handful of guys who overlap - they're in her pool and she's in their pool.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/26 01:10 PM
1	If men focus on compatibility, they wouldn’t have to ‘play jester’ and be ‘Dance Monkeys’ on dates. How would you know whether you're compatible or not before dating? I like old for that reason. Weeds out a lot of obv incompatibilities when ppl are honest. Which is prob why most relationships start that way. There's also looking in specific subsets of the population. If you're religious, for example, someone who shares that is more likely to be compatible in values and goals. And avoiding subsets where compatibility is very, very unlikely. If you don't like clubbing on your own, don't look at …	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/26 01:07 PM
9	If men focus on compatibility, they wouldn’t have to ‘play jester’ and be ‘Dance Monkeys’ on dates. Of course I want to be with someone that I like. Compatibility is about values, goals, lifestyle, relationship expectations, financial plans, everything family-related, religion, politics, sexual needs, hobbies, interests, life stage... not just liking them, but being able to live as partners without unnecessary conflict. The pool of ppl who are compatible is necessarily small. That's fewer ppl to try to impress. And since there's nothing that has to be hidden or faked, and everyone actually tru…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/26 12:45 PM
3	If men focus on compatibility, they wouldn’t have to ‘play jester’ and be ‘Dance Monkeys’ on dates. you are compatible because you tolerate them That's not compatibility. It's just pretending incompatibility doesn't matter... when it's the cause of the vast majority of breakups and divorces. Unless that's the goal, selecting without concern for compatibility is setting oneself up for failure.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/26 12:32 PM
3	Why do women claim they are being used for sex once a man realizes he is incompatible with her? making a relationship Yeah, that's the issue I'd guess they have. Sex is a dangerous activity that most reserve for an existing relationship. If you're saying or implying that you're in a relationship with her, when you're actually just casually dating at that stage, she's not giving informed consent. Be straight with her that you're looking for sex first, and then you might commit. That way she can decide whether she wants to have sex outside of a relationship or not. Is it somehow my fault tha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/26 12:03 PM
0	Men don't like to talk about their issues, but they do like to hijack conversation when women raise theirs. Nope, bc that would be stupid. I said nothing similar to the argument you're looking for. So you must be lost.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/05/26 11:55 PM
0	Men don't like to talk about their issues, but they do like to hijack conversation when women raise theirs. Ohhhhh so you intended to reply to someone else who said that nobody minimizes men's mental health issues. And not me. Bc I didn't say that. Hope you find your way to the argument you wanted me to make. Safe travels.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/05/26 11:51 PM
1	AI robotic girlfriends, absolute and best path, with almost no draw backs. If it gets that type of men off our backs, fine. They can get whatever girlfriend game they like. Just hope they have staunch limitations and protections in place, since we know programming jumps the fence already. (Also, petition to only have models created based on actual, consenting sex workers, who receive profits from sale/subscription/whatever.)	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/05/26 08:30 PM
0	Men don't like to talk about their issues, but they do like to hijack conversation when women raise theirs. I'm sorry, but I don't buy it. They're extremely mainstream stereotypes that show up in media, casual conversation, and research. Playing dumb is cute, tho.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/05/26 08:22 PM
0	Men don't like to talk about their issues, but they do like to hijack conversation when women raise theirs. i have never seen anyone make fun of women for the menopause. Really? Perimenopause - the beginning of hormonal change that lasts around a decade before it advances to menopause - starts as early as 35. You've never seen anyone accuse a woman over 35 of being particularly hormonal as a way of mocking her and dismissing her experiences or needs? You've never seen someone refer to a woman of that age or older as "dried up," or in any other way lesser bc of potential reproductive changes? Or heard …	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/05/26 03:25 PM
–	Why do men complain about women choosing assholes but simultaneously shame men who are simps and treat women with kindness? I’ve never SAd anyone in my life You explicitly stated that that's the case only bc you expected to get consent. Otherwise, you would've. When someone tells you who they are, you can believe them. Explain it like I’m a heartless dummy who doesn’t understand the meaning of morality. Complicated monkeys die if don't live in group. Survive if live in group. Group needs to stay together and cooperate. Monkeys have strong social bonds. That means feel good when other monkeys good, feel bad when other…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/05/26 02:41 PM
–	Why do men complain about women choosing assholes but simultaneously shame men who are simps and treat women with kindness? I kinda see your point but at the same time what do you want me to do ? Not be an ass to ppl who are already hurting, for no reason other than bitterness and resentment they didn't earn. Maybe try holding other men accountable when the opportunity presents itself. It's what the ppl around you would do if I shot you. They would do what they could to hold me accountable for my actions, and at least not actively try to make it worse for you than it already would be. I mean, you just got shot and yo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/05/26 01:19 PM
6	Why do men complain about women choosing assholes but simultaneously shame men who are simps and treat women with kindness? "We" is everyone who doesn't wanna be pursued by someone who would SA them if he didn't think he had a chance.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/05/26 09:23 PM
3	Why do men complain about women choosing assholes but simultaneously shame men who are simps and treat women with kindness? Yes it is 100% the woman’s fault. If you consent to hanging out with me, and I shoot you, you consented to being shot. If I'm cool the first 25 times, and shoot you on the 26th, you consented to being shot. If I mention having a gun, and you think I won't shoot you (bc that would be psychotic and I seem fine), and I shoot you, you consented to being shot. If I say I was shot and would never shoot anyone, and you think that makes sense, but then I shoot you, you consented to being shot. If my ex …	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/05/26 09:22 PM
7	Why do men complain about women choosing assholes but simultaneously shame men who are simps and treat women with kindness? Good to know we collectively dodged a nuke.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/05/26 08:54 PM
–	Why can't women just tell men when they're unattractive? Spontaneous comments on my body are unwelcome, and I'm not trying to be the asshole I don't wanna see in the world. Attraction is complex, subjective and flexible. I have 2 special guys, and neither one is my "type." Their bodies turn me on bc they turn me on. So even if I went by my own physical standards, I'd be lying. He's attractive to some section of the population, and maybe even to me if I knew him. Women have been killed for much less. When his bro overhears it, and I don't say the same …	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/05/26 08:50 PM
1	Men don't like to talk about their issues, but they do like to hijack conversation when women raise theirs. Every woman who isnt a separatist, and some who are, care. They just don't always express it in the way someone wants, at the time they want it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/05/26 07:01 PM
2	Men don't like to talk about their issues, but they do like to hijack conversation when women raise theirs. men are sad because people laugh at them, women are sad because they get killed Not to put too fine a point on it, but men frequently are talking about emotion and issues of personal motivation, and equating them to immediate/systemic issues. There doesn't seem to be a clear delineation for many men. I frequently see, "men aren't getting degrees," as evidence that men are oppressed and need help. But the data shows that the reason is their own choice. It's not that they're banned, or forced out,…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/05/26 06:30 PM
1	Men don't like to talk about their issues, but they do like to hijack conversation when women raise theirs. Triage and realism are necessary, and not all conversations are productive. Not all issues are equal. False equivalence isn't tolerated bc it's inaccurate and unhelpful. Less immediate, less impactful and/or less prevalent issues take a backseat, just like the ER. Doesn't mean they don't all matter. Just means we have limited resources and have to make logical decisions. Issues of personal motivation (I can, but I don't want to) are secondary to systemic issues (I want to, and am trying to, but …	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/05/26 05:01 PM
–	When is a man too picky or superficial? Please be pickier. I beg of you. Hold out for compatible ppl. Stop settling like you're a silly teen and it's the week before prom. This is real life. Respect yourselves. When is he too superficial? When he doesn't know who she is and doesn't care. The husbands who say they "don't know what to get her," bc they have no clue what her interests are. The guys who have no idea what her values and goals are, and think it's fine, bc they're there for the boobs, not the woman. If you're gonna do that, …	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/05/26 04:19 PM
0	Men don't like to talk about their issues, but they do like to hijack conversation when women raise theirs. Not all "women's issues" are women's issues. When a kid is getting the crap kicked out of him, that's the bully's issue to fix by not doing it anymore. He's not gonna stop as long as he gets away with it. So the ppl around him need to hold him accountable until he gives up. And not all conversations with men about women's issues are about fixing the issue. Sometimes the issue is what it is, and the problem that needs to be addressed is adjacent. Nobody's gonna "fix" menopause. But they can certa…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/05/26 04:08 PM
–	Question for lesbian/bi women of reddit. What was your "EUREKA" moment when you start dating other women did you notice that you finally start understanding mens issues? If you want another layer of bullshit, add in polyamory. lmao Then you can get women who think they can break up your primary partnerships to create their own monogamous household. Fortunately, they usually tell on themselves early on, so it never gets to the intimacy stage, ime. It does suck a lot sometimes, depending on how attached I got, but that's between me and some ice cream. lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/05/26 03:55 PM
–	Young men did everything they're supposed to, and its not enough. Indicates its NOT their fault, rather it shows theres a real problem of YOUNG FEMALE RADICALIZATION The premise is the "just world" logical fallacy. That ppl who do the right thing get good stuff, and ppl who do the wrong thing get bad stuff. That's not how reality works. It never has been. (Ask the ppl who did everything "right" and were still SAd, laid off, got cancer, etc.) The solution isn't to change reality to fit the error in thinking. It's to change the error in thinking to fit reality.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/05/26 03:49 PM
1	Genuine question for all women When men cheat, it's more likely to be with a woman who's also cheating than not. They can bond over misery or whatever, and discretion is more likely bc of mutually assured destruction. Yes, women cheat. Cheating isn't a majority activity. 20% of men and 13% of women cheat. If we add emotional cheating, the gap is narrower, bc women are more likely to do that. It's still not the majority.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/05/26 03:43 PM
1	Would cold approaches feel less awkward or intimidating if men offered their number instead of asking for yours? It would be easier in a way. Handing out fake numbers can backfire if he calls it immediately. But it would be perfect if men just accepted, "no, thank you."	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/05/26 03:37 PM
0	Question for lesbian/bi women of reddit. What was your "EUREKA" moment when you start dating other women did you notice that you finally start understanding mens issues? That's not how sexuality works... They're weird.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/05/26 08:09 PM
1	Nice guys should accept being alone As a woman, you have a huge amount of privilege The dominant demographic would be the one that makes up the majority of the govt, holds the majority of management positions and high-pay positions, has the controlling share of the media, holds the majority of community wealth, has baseline access to the majority of resources, faces lower risk than peer demographics more often than not, and enjoys a historically-backed position of social dominance. That said, every person has privilege in some are…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/05/26 08:02 PM
1	Nice guys should accept being alone Our wellbeing is affected when the complaining includes shameless, credible support of harm to women. That's not, "boo hoo, I feel bad." It's a threat to public safety. Kinda like racism. If someone wants to be a miserable bigot in their head and their home, fine. We can't force them to take care of themselves. Just can't act on it without any consequences.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/05/26 05:16 PM
1	Nice guys should accept being alone attempt to shame Not an attempt to shame. Just a common example of someone lashing out bc they have poor emotional regulation. We all know what it's like to see something from the outside. forcing them to calm dawn and be quiet only makes the matter worse That's what emotional intelligence is for. We start when they're toddlers and can begin to moderate their own behavior. No force involved. The adult in the equation consistently guides healthy habits, until the kid is able to recognize what the…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/05/26 05:00 PM
–	CMV: Traditional "gentleman" gestures are mostly performative and not indicative of authenticity The point of manners, for us regular folk, has always been to avoid making life harder for others. Grandpa opened the door for Grandma bc she was wrangling a dress and wearing heels, and doing that made it easier for her to get up without snagging anything or falling. He walked on the street side bc there was a good chance they'd be splattered with a little road nastiness when someone went by and, while his clothes were made to be laundered, hers were more decorative and more likely to be actual…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/05/26 04:39 PM
0	Nice guys should accept being alone Lash out or fester is a false dichotomy. Not being able to handle what's happening in our lives is part of the standard human experience. We've figured out lots of ways to get better at handling things, and to share the load when we need to. Men have baseline access. If a person isn't willing to take advantage of their resources, screaming can only draw attention to their choice. A kid having a tantrum in the store is showing us that they don't have the ability to handle their emotions. Same typ…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/05/26 03:55 PM
9	Question for lesbian/bi women of reddit. What was your "EUREKA" moment when you start dating other women did you notice that you finally start understanding mens issues? According to the data, men are more likely to do it than women are. But every group has ppl who do it. There's nothing inherently wrong with it. Just need to be honest.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/05/26 03:35 PM
0	Nice guys should accept being alone That's how it is now. Would be nicer for everyone if they learned how to live as adults, but it can't be forced. If they're determined to be miserable, they will be.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/05/26 03:32 PM
2	Nice guys should accept being alone Who decided it was what it is anyway? Material reality?	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/05/26 03:29 PM
1	Nice guys should accept being alone Oh no, not meaningless insults from someone who doesn't deserve my respect. Whatever shall I do if a bad person doesn't think I'm the bee's knees?	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/05/26 03:28 PM
4	Question for lesbian/bi women of reddit. What was your "EUREKA" moment when you start dating other women did you notice that you finally start understanding mens issues? Not sure what adding the quotes is supposed to mean. Ppl have sex without attraction all the time.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/05/26 03:15 PM
1	Nice guys should accept being alone Ah, yes, the narcissistic false dichotomy. Put out, or you hate me.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/05/26 03:11 PM
4	Question for lesbian/bi women of reddit. What was your "EUREKA" moment when you start dating other women did you notice that you finally start understanding mens issues? I hope so. I don't wish conflict on other ppl.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/05/26 01:49 PM
8	Question for lesbian/bi women of reddit. What was your "EUREKA" moment when you start dating other women did you notice that you finally start understanding mens issues? Bc they haven't had issues with straight women?	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/05/26 01:42 PM
16	Question for lesbian/bi women of reddit. What was your "EUREKA" moment when you start dating other women did you notice that you finally start understanding mens issues? The issue with dating women is being used for sex by straight women, and I wish I was kidding. They can say they want something that matters, and sometimes I'll fall for it, bc I'm a silly goose. Either they wanna "experiment," or they wanna try to get an ex back. (Apparently the fact that she's with a woman now makes him think coming back could get him a threesome or something? Idk.) The experimenting wouldn't even be an issue. I'm fairly stone, and I've done it before. But I need to be informe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/05/26 01:34 PM
1	Men in general unable to tale criticism. Lack of consideration - displayed in shaming others for not prioritizing bangability - is a cancer on society. Maybe if we could reach a place where men don't throw tantrums at criticism, they could improve that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/05/26 04:58 PM
0	Men in general unable to tale criticism. we better be careful not to hurt their feelings Hurting ppl's feelings unnecessarily is antisocial behavior. Maybe those ppl should be ousted from the community for not adapting to normal life?	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/05/26 04:33 PM
–	You don’t have to admit you have a sense of entitlement to have a sense of entitlement It’s literally like arguing that non monogamy is wrong. No, it's not. It's like saying that marrying on the assumption that they'll always be your hiking buddy is setting yourself up for failure, bc it's not realistic. Eventually, one of you will hike less, or not at all. Best to accept that, make sure the relationship isn't based on that, and make a plan for how to handle it when it happens. Otherwise, when it happens, the relationship will end. And then the next one will go thru a similar arc,…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/05/26 04:30 PM
-2	Men in general unable to tale criticism. Tell me you don't know how human bodies work. lmao too lazy And there's the real motivation coming out. It's an insult, not assistance. They really oughta go back to teaching manners. Some of these kids don't know the difference between, "become sexually appealing to me," and, "don't hurt that person."	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/05/26 04:17 PM
–	You don’t have to admit you have a sense of entitlement to have a sense of entitlement Let the guys have their hoe phase We're discussing relationships. Separate topic.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/05/26 04:11 PM
–	You don’t have to admit you have a sense of entitlement to have a sense of entitlement Literally just said that no sex doesn't mean my marriage is over. (It's not "none," but fewer than once a month qualifies as a dead bedroom). The issues you see in dead bedrooms that drive ppl to leave are not just no sex. It's a lack of other kinds of intimacy as well, refusal to communicate, mutual resentment, not prioritizing one another, etc. Those things are deal breakers for most ppl, all on their own. The reduction in sex is a symptom or a trigger for dysfunction that's already there. If …	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/05/26 04:10 PM
–	You don’t have to admit you have a sense of entitlement to have a sense of entitlement I disagree that men in this sub don’t want a relationship. The emphasis on getting dates, with no consideration to compatibility, is a show of priorities. Pretty sure we have a, "don't tell us to not lie about who we are to get women," thread every few days. That's not wanting a relationship. It's wanting a date that will go nowhere, or a hookup. The emphasis on early sex is a show of priorities. If the goal is a relationship, it's a long-term timeline that gradually builds all types of intimacy…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/05/26 02:53 PM
2	Men in general unable to tale criticism. You were talking as if you were surprised of how some men show how they can't handle criticism and associated it to something else. It's a logical train of thought. The ability to take criticism is very much needed in the workplace. More so than skill, bc you can learn a skill if you can handle criticism. When the boss says, "you aren't meeting this metric, you need to do things differently," you can't turn it around with whataboutism. You can't blow it off and expect nothing to happen. You can'…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/05/26 02:25 PM
-5	Men in general unable to tale criticism. Being fat is part of normal human variety. We've always had all kinds of body types, and it frequently comes with forms of disability. So just saying that would be like saying, "you have brown eyes and you should fix that," or, "you're missing an arm, and you should fix that." That's not criticism, it's insult. Apples, oranges. What you likely mean is that they're not the speaker's type. Which is only appropriate to say if they're trying to hook up. So we can assume that's the case. Men are infa…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/05/26 02:09 PM
2	Men in general unable to tale criticism. Do you think that men who explode over perceived criticism in one circumstance suddenly become different ppl in another? We're talking about men who demonstrate their inability to accept criticism. (Excellent example of dodging criticism/excusing others dodging criticism, btw.)	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/05/26 02:02 PM
–	You don’t have to admit you have a sense of entitlement to have a sense of entitlement We are taught since young “do this and women will like you”, so majority of the time it’s resentment. I can empathize with having terrible socialization as children. The resentment is incredibly misplaced and unhelpful. Their peers aren't doing anything wrong. As adults, it's our job to unlearn the crap and replace it with helpful stuff. Being open to criticism means being able to hear that and start working on it. We don't see that happening at all. Many people need a healthy sex life in their …	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/05/26 01:59 PM
-2	Men in general unable to tale criticism. Oh, yeah. Honestly, I'm not sure how some men can even hold a job, the way they take every single piece of perceived criticism and treat it like it's a human rights violation.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/05/26 01:01 PM
4	Do you think BDSM is healthy/fair, either in the context of the bedroom or as a lifestyle, why or why not? It's awesome, just like any other kind of consensual, risk-aware activity. Arguments against it tend to be based in logical fallacies and perched on a slippery slope.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/05/26 11:45 PM
1	unselected men should not feel moral guilt/responsibility for women’s dating choices Nobody's talking about violating a child, where tf did you get that pedo scenario from? Without a willing partner, someone would have to be forced to attend and dance with them against their will. That is violation of autonomy. Forcing kids to give hugs causes insecurity, anxiety, fawning, and an unclear sense of self. It also makes them more vulnerable to abuse, less likely to realize it's happening, and less likely to report it if they do. (One of those "no duh" areas of study, but always good…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/05/26 01:47 AM
1	There is literally no alternative to red pill. Why is it bad to attract incompatible people? Why would it be harder to find a needle in a big haystack than a small one? If you are attractive, you are attractive to everyone. No, you aren't. Just like being conventionally unattractive doesn't make you unattractive to everyone. Esp since the parameters of conventional attractiveness are so easily manipulated. It's a measure of commercial marketability. By that standard, charming brick Victorians are "improved" when they're gutted and painted wh…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/05/26 05:06 PM
2	women do not hate objectification, they hate low value objectification the argument is not that women enjoy being dehumanized. The title doesn't agree with you. a pat on the back and assault are different actions. So are objectification and saying, "I love your makeup." one man shows sexual interest and it is read as confidence or chemistry because she wants him. another man shows similar sexual interest and now it is creepy or objectifying because she does not want him. We are not reliable narrators. And women are more likely to subconsciously notice and interpret…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/05/26 04:47 PM
6	women do not hate objectification, they hate low value objectification "Women want/like objectification," isn't supported by showing that things that aren't objectification could be welcome in some situations and unwelcome in others. Like if I said, "men want/like to be assaulted," and support it by pointing out that they don't mind it when they're patted on the back, and participate in contact sports.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/05/26 03:44 PM
4	unselected men should not feel moral guilt/responsibility for women’s dating choices What exactly are you defending them from? Misattribution, misunderstanding, being used as a tool to propagandize, succumbing to dysfunctional or fallacious lines of thought without having a chance to consider them clearly... most often, the insistence that they're inherently lesser in any way. (I could toss in lobbying against the draft, I suppose.) Women have a pre-packaged value system in feminism Feminism isn't a value system, in that, when the extra words are boiled away, it begins and ends …	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/05/26 10:15 PM
4	unselected men should not feel moral guilt/responsibility for women’s dating choices with anyone Nope. Nothing saying they can't go with a friend or a group, rather than a date. They aren't kept from attending. They just aren't being taught that their discomfort warrants violating another child, or being prevented from developing important life skills. Welp, it applies here. That's true. A person who isn't willing to live in a community, with all that comes with it, is free to leave. What they aren't free to do is pretend that they're being forced out when the truth is that they…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/05/26 08:22 PM
3	unselected men should not feel moral guilt/responsibility for women’s dating choices To ensure that a child has a partner, when no one is willing to be their partner, another child would have to be forced to attend and, presumably, dance. We know that forcing children to give hugs causes significant psychological impact. It serves to teach children that they are less important than others and responsible for others' emotions. That leads to insecurity, anxiety, a warped sense of self, and an inability to set healthy boundaries. It also teaches that they need to obey adults, even …	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/05/26 08:12 PM
1	unselected men should not feel moral guilt/responsibility for women’s dating choices No, it's not. To do it would require harming both children. The first by stunting his development and setting him up for failure. The second by violating their mind and body. A community that harms children is worse off - both ethically and ultimately in terms of survival - than a community that doesn't.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/05/26 04:41 PM
2	Why do men accuse women of having high standards, then the same men proceed to shame women for marrying guys they aren't attracted to? It's the boy version of, "women are ruined by Disney romance." Those men think someone should crawl out of the woodwork who wants to rip his clothes off 25/8, but also doesn't expect anything else of him, and will do everything. That mythical wife appliance is the only woman who has worth. If that's not you, you should suffer. It's ironic and sad.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/05/26 03:19 PM
3	unselected men should not feel moral guilt/responsibility for women’s dating choices leaves you being used And? Is life supposed to be easy and feel good and benefit us all the time? If a man will only do the right thing when it's easy and fun, how much does his friendship mean? Can you rely on him? Trust his advice? Discuss things that are more important than the weather? Can you be proud to be his friend? Why say they hate us themselves I told my parents I hated them, and I don't. I frequently say I hate a food or object or experience, when my feelings don't qualify as hatred.…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/05/26 03:18 PM
6	unselected men should not feel moral guilt/responsibility for women’s dating choices That's your choice. It's basic ethics. You don't have to be a good person. I have to wonder, tho, what the logic is of expecting that to not matter in interpersonal relationships. A lot of, "you hate me," is actually, "you don't like me." And that's not a matter of morality. It's a matter of being likeable. Do you think men should be encouraged to be, at minimum, good ppl?	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/05/26 02:48 PM
4	unselected men should not feel moral guilt/responsibility for women’s dating choices Yeah but you don't care for people who hate you for existing. I do an awful lot of defending men who actually, literally do hate me. Not guys who call me names or whatever. That's normal interpersonal conflict. Credible threats to my safety. "Shit, I'm about to be a podcast episode," stuff. Actively trying to make it legal to do inhumane things to ppl like me, and bragging about it. I do not like them or trust them. I do not believe they're ethical, and they prob will never be. Other ppl need to…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/05/26 01:59 PM
2	unselected men should not feel moral guilt/responsibility for women’s dating choices A child who thinks that not being able to go to the dance with the person he wants, bc that person doesn't want to, is not ostracized from the community. Interpersonal relationships are part of being in the community. Someone who kicks back and watches destruction bc they didn't get a date is rejecting the village, not the other way around.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/05/26 01:20 PM
5	unselected men should not feel moral guilt/responsibility for women’s dating choices Some ppl care about other ppl. We're a social species. It's how we're supposed to be wired.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/05/26 01:09 PM
3	Men need their own way out of romantic dependency In the long term, the stereotypical men are worse off. It's not better to get a bunch of dates and end up alone than to date less and have a healthy relationship.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/05/26 08:57 PM
3	Men need their own way out of romantic dependency From a purely animalistic perspective, “tossing semen around” is a viable strategy to pass on one’s genes. The offspring won’t all die, even without a father. Only in species that have lots of offspring and no or little parental care. Like sea turtles. We physically cannot have enough offspring to offset having most of them suck. They require too much investment in order to not suck for us to half-ass caring for them. In what way are men cultivating traits that make them terrible partners and pa…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/05/26 07:06 PM
0	Men need their own way out of romantic dependency It matters because maybe it is not possible for all men. That "maybe" is load-bearing. Maybe my kid isn't able to feed himself yet. But there's nothing inherently lesser about his motor skills, tenacity or ability to learn. If he tells me he can't do it, and he needs me to feed him forever, despite not having put his full effort into it and not having a demonstrable deficit that would prevent him from doing it... I'd say he's a silly goose.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/05/26 04:36 PM
2	Men need their own way out of romantic dependency that being seen as masculine is the end itself, rather than means to an end of being attractive to women Self-destruction to get the approval of women, as evidenced by having access to their bodies, is seeking validation. The only way to do that is to be sexually selected. That's true. However, we aren't sea turtles. It's not enough to inseminate and take for granted that some young will make it. Given that gestation and birth are particularly risky, it's advantageous to form strong bonds. Since…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/05/26 04:28 PM
2	Men need their own way out of romantic dependency And which percentage of the total male population fit into that description? Why does that matter? If it's possible to meet one's intellectual and emotional needs, do one's own labor, and obtain sexual release, without a partner, then it's not something women have to dispense. It's something men can learn to do for themselves.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/05/26 03:46 PM
0	Men need their own way out of romantic dependency everything men need to be fulfilled and men can't get it without a woman's consent The existence of men who are stable and fulfilled while single suggests that this is a narrow view of men's ability to care for themselves.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/05/26 03:41 PM
0	Men need their own way out of romantic dependency Ah yes we are such a**holes to want relationships. Why is it that, "as we've been saying, this is an issue that needs to be addressed, bc it's hurting you," immediately invokes, "oh, so we're just evil and can never do anything right"?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/05/26 03:39 PM
6	Men need their own way out of romantic dependency why are you assuming men are so motivated by validation? Everyone needs validation. We're a social species. Men, specifically, will engage in extremely self-destructive behaviors in the name of being "a real man" on a demographic-level scale. Emotional avoidance is associated with a 35% increase in risk of all-cause mortality, a 70% increase in risk of cancer mortality, and a 47% increase in risk of cardiovascular mortality. We've suspected that for decades, and got meaningful scientific confirm…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/05/26 03:28 PM
0	A lot of men lack agency and responzibility Nothing good enough for inserting a random gripe into a metaphor to make sense lmao	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/04/26 10:54 PM
0	A lot of men lack agency and responzibility How high are you rn?	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/04/26 10:48 PM
1	I don’t agree with any of the pills but blue pill advice is far worse than red pill Good thing I didn't say that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/04/26 09:52 PM
1	I don’t agree with any of the pills but blue pill advice is far worse than red pill Can't tell if you're arguing that men should be coddled, or not.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/04/26 08:51 PM
2	I don’t agree with any of the pills but blue pill advice is far worse than red pill and then you’ll be rewarded with a girlfriend A lot of men's issues can, I think, be traced back to not being taught emotional regulation and frustration tolerance. The truth is that almost everything is outside of our control, the likelihood of finding a compatible partner and having a healthy relationship is slim, it's nobody's fault, and we all just have to try to keep a healthy perspective. But you can't say that to a man. He'll spiral and shut down or blow up. At the risk of being corny... …	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/04/26 01:01 PM
–	I don’t agree with any of the pills but blue pill advice is far worse than red pill If I tell you that you shouldn't lie and say you do volunteer work... but you know you won't get the job without it... I don't think I have to explain that you need to actually do the volunteer work, and then put it on your resume. It's like a first grade word problem. We still do, tho. Bc a lot of men act like they can't connect the dots. So we outline some general routes to self-development. And then we're told that it's too hard or it won't work and we're just mean for not letting them lie. W…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/04/26 12:26 PM
–	I don’t agree with any of the pills but blue pill advice is far worse than red pill "Don't lie at interviews" - what if being honest won't get me the job? lmao	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/04/26 12:08 PM
3	A lot of men lack agency and responzibility "You don't need free cake," is not the same as, "free cake is bad."	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/26 11:37 PM
1	A lot of men lack agency and responzibility Evel Knievel couldn't make that leap. (Do the kids still know who that was?)	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/26 11:12 PM
1	A lot of men lack agency and responzibility Awww one of my favorite dusty old myths! It's economics, not gender. Custodial dads make more money (and have more family support) and more money leads to better outcomes. Y'all need more data to misrepresent.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/26 10:13 PM
3	A lot of men lack agency and responzibility Being sad over a breakup isn't the same as being dependent. I like, love and respect my spouse. We have a strong connection and a good life together. If he left, I would be heartbroken. I would also still have my identity, purpose, security, fulfillment, etc. Those things are entirely mine. I would heal, adapt, and move forward. He isn't my life. He's in my life. My life is my own. And I expect the same from him. That way nobody is burdened with being a caregiver.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/26 08:28 PM
1	A lot of men lack agency and responzibility And there's little to almost none social pressure to women to "make it work" You're kidding, right? Even outside of family, religion and practical concerns... The bulk of this sub are men saying they'll never learn life skills, and women have to date them anyway, marry them fast, become dependent, and never divorce. Bc it's cruel and unreasonable to hold that against them. Maybe they'll learn it if they have a woman in their life. Maybe they're inherently incapable, bc men have alien brains. May…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/26 06:05 PM
1	A lot of men lack agency and responzibility Not much tbh. Statistically, the older you are when you get married, the longer your marriage will be. Until you hit 45. After that, it levels off. Turns out 19-yr-olds make bad decisions, which surprises nobody. female mating choice is how nature works. Forcing women to mate with men who are evolutionary dead-ends just pushes the end forward another generation. It's arguably cruel to put a bloodline on life support just so nobody feels left out. It's not like they're gonna get better.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/26 05:36 PM
7	A lot of men lack agency and responzibility If your options are clean the house or burn it down, it doesn't matter if cleaning is annoying or tiring. You put on some music, microdose an edible or something, and get the broom. That's adulthood.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/26 05:08 PM
1	A lot of men lack agency and responzibility People make excuses for their partners all the time, it's not just women doing that. True. And it's never ok. However, it's systematic on the part of women. Eg. Women make up for men's inability to communicate. There's a whole industry dedicated to teaching women how to maneuver to get men to listen. One rp-adjacent speaker asserts there are 9 steps you have to go thru. Nine. Steps. No pressure on men to learn how to talk normally, just on women to make it work.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/26 05:02 PM
1	A lot of men lack agency and responzibility We have feminism for women, what do we have for men? Also feminism. The things that harm women are the same things that harm men first and deepest. Feminism is called "feminism" bc it began with the issue of women being held under baseline. Turns out the problem is actually a huge network of structures and patterns that screws everyone over. The push to fix it helps everyone. Everyone has a vested interest.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/26 04:52 PM
1	A lot of men lack agency and responzibility Learning the ABCs is far more important than know how to wipe your ass though. WTAF that is vomit-inducing. There's a reason kids have to be potty trained before starting school. It's part of the most basic foundation. the avg person already has basic hygiene Yeah, I thought that, until I started seeing and hearing otherwise. I genuinely thought the "husband's skidmarks" jokes were just ragging on men for not changing their underoos often enough. Not that they were actually microdosing shitting …	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/26 04:28 PM
2	A lot of men lack agency and responzibility You can't listen to some nut head and apply the logic to all of us I can surmise that the men who say it, and the men who listen to those men, are severely lacking in life skills. This might be western culture where you don't wash your butt with water. Yeah, a lot of them won't even wash in the shower. It's gay/feminine/unnatural. Skidmarks are "normal for men." Some even have said that it's just part of "working hard." The men in my life use bidets, thank god. Why what's wrong to pee standing u…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/26 04:12 PM
2	A lot of men lack agency and responzibility No i mean the law is favoured towards women. We need man friendly laws so yeah. Can you give some examples of laws that protect women by causing undue detriment to men? Men are denied rights. A right is a declaration of benefit and responsibility that's available to all. Some are owed bc you're human. Some are owed bc they're promised by your govt. Things like bodily autonomy, asylum, voting, due process... Can you give some examples of rights that are denied to men? Women have to catch up with …	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/26 03:04 PM
3	A lot of men lack agency and responzibility I read that and all I see is emptyness. I don't think you understand what the words mean. Finding a woman that loves you, having children. Fulfilling your duty to take care of them. That's definitionally dependence.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/26 02:18 PM
8	A lot of men lack agency and responzibility I live independently though, plenty of men do. Then you don't need a woman. That's the point. Independent adulthood means building a fulfilling life on your own. A relationship is a bonus, not a structural requirement. If it's there, awesome. If it's not, also awesome. Pick up some arguments from men and replace "relationship" with something like "free dessert."	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/26 02:11 PM
3	A lot of men lack agency and responzibility Why do you believe that if a man develops their own emotional and intellectual life they have a fulfilling life? Self-development and engaging with the world are what make life fulfilling. Neither of those things require anyone else. Are you sure you're clear on what a fulfilling life looks like?	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/26 02:05 PM
2	A lot of men lack agency and responzibility Teaching someone how to wipe is among the most straightforward tasks. The fact that any avg person could get past learning the ABCs without having rudimentary hygiene is beyond me. Fortunately, it doesn't matter in the least whether someone's actual, not-time-traveling parent/s taught something or not. Once we turn 18, we take over teaching ourselves. It's no longer their responsibility. It's ours.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/26 02:02 PM
3	A lot of men lack agency and responzibility Exactly. If you reduce your entire personhood to getting someone to do things for you, you are a child.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/26 01:58 PM
6	A lot of men lack agency and responzibility Violence is lazy, unthinking, and temporary.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/26 01:56 PM
3	A lot of men lack agency and responzibility Lmao	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/26 01:51 PM
3	A lot of men lack agency and responzibility Male rights, fits within that purview. [Demographic] rights movements are for ppl who are denied rights. If men aren't denied rights, there's no need. I was saying women have to catch up To what?	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/26 01:51 PM
-1	A lot of men lack agency and responzibility They can develop their own emotional and intellectual lives on their own. Then they do not need relationships to have fulfilling lives. That does not make life as an incel worth living. A fulfilling life and a box of tissues.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/26 01:48 PM
6	A lot of men lack agency and responzibility Better go back to prove your point. While you're at it, you also have to give up beer, jerky, windshield wipers, car heaters, circular saws, paper bags, kevlar, cctv, home security systems, caller ID, coffee filters, electric refrigerators and water heaters, chemo, nuclear power/weapons, scotchguard, dishwashers, HVAC, antifungals, fire escapes, sci-fi, white out, crispr, solar, diapers, the pertussis vaccine, physical therapy, DBT (ha), aquariums, hair brushes, q-tips, at-home diagnostic tests,…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/26 01:46 PM
2	A lot of men lack agency and responzibility What makes you think we aren't? Evidence from men's speakers claiming that it's normal to have feces on their body/clothes/linens/furniture, backed up with anecdotal and (unfortunately) photographic evidence, mostly from women in proximity to the men being discussed. From discussions with men who had to potty train themselves, it seems to be an issue with fathers who taught their sons to pee standing up, and that's it. But, of course, if a man is potty trained, it's bc of his dad. Dads do everyt…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/26 01:28 PM
6	A lot of men lack agency and responzibility How well would the world run without computer programming, compilers, wifi and bluetooth?	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/26 01:14 PM
12	A lot of men lack agency and responzibility So, men are inferior in that they need someone else to develop their own emotional and intellectual lives?	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/26 01:13 PM
5	A lot of men lack agency and responzibility blame a group they themselves give birth to. If I had gone back in time, gave birth to all men, and raised them all, you'd all be potty trained...	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/26 01:10 PM
12	A lot of men lack agency and responzibility Violence.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/26 01:04 PM
9	A lot of men lack agency and responzibility sexless solitude We call that life as an independent adult.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/26 01:04 PM
10	A lot of men lack agency and responzibility Staying single is not acceptable in the same way starving to death is not acceptable. Singleness is the default human experience. In what way do you propose that men are lesser, leading them to being incapable of living as independent adults?	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/26 01:03 PM
7	A lot of men lack agency and responzibility Men already run the world Then there are no missing rights to obtain via activism The ones that need to grow up [are] certainly not us. Everyone needs to. Not everyone is. If someone wants to know where they are in standard development, there are a lot of charts out there to reference.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/26 12:55 PM
6	A lot of men lack agency and responzibility Becoming adults will do that naturally for most ppl. It's easy to be full of yourself when you're 12 and someone else will clean up your messes.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/26 11:51 AM
16	A lot of men lack agency and responzibility Men must be perfect Men must be adults. Which is the point of the post. Men don't need women. They need to grow up.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/04/26 11:30 AM
0	Redpillers are rude and that's why women here are unsympathetic Not just rude, but the mix of hostile and dependent that I associate with angsty teens. "I hate you. Fix my problems."	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/04/26 10:55 PM
3	As a guy, the "mysoginists" are not that succesful as you all make them out to be I find that men are fans of benevolent misandry, as long as it isn't spelled out. Countering it has gotten me called a misandrist.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/04/26 10:31 PM
2	Women Keep Bringing Up Rape to Shut Down Male Concerns A man's chance of being murdered is just over 1%. A woman's chance of experiencing SA - just one kind of sexual harm - is 20%. But it doesn't matter that much. When a toddler rolls off of a bed, they prob won't die, or get a TBI, or break a bone. The most likely outcomes are abrasions and bruises. But their parents aren't thinking about rug burn when they put a protective guard on the bed. They're thinking about the serious injuries. Frequency isn't the concern. Severity is. You didn't pick murd…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/04/26 10:25 PM
3	Women Keep Bringing Up Rape to Shut Down Male Concerns Sexual harm is uniquely psychologically damaging. It carries a higher likelihood of PTSD than near-death experiences, including active combat, and higher rates of suicidality and substance abuse than long-term IPV. There's a significant correlation between sexual harm and the development of phobias, including fear of sex, pregnancy, touch, traveling, going out alone, and public spaces. When PTSD doesn't occur, moral injury is still common. (Manifesting as an inability to trust that others will b…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/04/26 09:16 PM
7	Wanting female treatment while not doing what women do is stupid. Men being treated as more competent is not rooted in reality, logic or data. Men are not more competent. Individuals sit on a shared spectrum.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/04/26 03:52 PM
4	Women "love" men for what they do for them, not who they are. I hate to tell you this, but, "I'm illiterate and/or lazy," is not less embarrassing than, "I can't respond with anything of value and/or am wrong."	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/04/26 03:26 PM
3	Women "love" men for what they do for them, not who they are. Right?? And then they'll talk about how women are too demanding bc they have Disney romance fantasies. "I want a man who respects me and puts effort into our relationship," is somehow unreasonable. "I want a woman who wil do this very risky activity with me before she even knows me," is somehow perfectly realistic.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/04/26 03:24 PM
7	Women "love" men for what they do for them, not who they are. Dads bring in more money and are therefore more stressed, less actively involved. Why do so many dudes think having a job - a basic adult activity that everyone around them is also doing, regardless of circumstance - is this huge, extra thing? Did I miss some kind of program that covers a man's bills until he gets married or has kids? It's such a dusty copout. Would his job be more or less stressful if his kid could be hurt or die based directly on his performance? If he had no access to trainin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/04/26 03:19 PM
8	Women "love" men for what they do for them, not who they are. Yep, we see insistence that women should put out early in the dating process to prove their love a lot around here.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/04/26 12:50 PM
9	Women "love" men for what they do for them, not who they are. Can attest that, ime working with families with disabled children... Moms keep the kids and put in the work, to the point of driving themselves into poverty if they have to. Dads quit. The only couple who was married when I started in the field and still married when I left was, ironically, one in which the dad had shaken their son and caused his tbi. None of the other fathers actively parented. While I understand that the strain is extreme for everyone involved, the gendered way in which it pla…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/04/26 12:48 PM
10	Do Women Actually Believe Men's Dating Struggles Are Real? Not the same, but I was prepped to be something close to a tradwife. I was told to have no expectations, bc men are incapable of meeting them. They can't provide any kind of support or outlet (that's what friends and family are for), can't provide fulfillment (that's what kids are for), and can't do anything practical at home. So, expect nothing, pick one you think you can stand, and be happy he's not more violent than he is. It was framed as a, "poor guys, good thing we're so strong and capable…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/04/26 11:59 AM
2	Women have no idea what an average man is not every women actually has the "option" of getting a "top man" I didn't say they do. They have the right to want their top option. That's frequently none of the above. It's not Joe vs Bob. It's Joe vs singleness and Bob vs singleness. more and more men are trying to make peace with or are envisioning staying single. I would recommend that everyone live as tho they'll be independent forever. It's a leg-up if the right person shows up, and a peaceful life if not. don't have what I takes to get O…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/04/26 10:12 PM
1	Women have no idea what an average man is Of course they can. The issue is that men don't like that singleness is also an option, and seems to be the best option for a lot of women rn.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/04/26 11:37 AM
1	Women have no idea what an average man is The number of times my dad wore camo on Halloween and said he was the invisible man... lmao	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/04/26 11:26 AM
2	Women have no idea what an average man is So, you seem to have no idea what the average women’s perception is or even what the average woman looks like. I agree.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/04/26 11:19 AM
3	Men are panicking more about being unmarried and childless than women (status, finances, masculinity, strength, resourcefulness, protection, etc) Dudes really overestimate their ability to "provide" those things, and really, really overestimate their importance. The whole point of saying, "this is what I bring to the table," is to draw attention toward things that make a meaningful difference in the practical and social aspects of the relationship. Not just stuff that other men think are cool.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/04/26 06:20 PM
2	Men are panicking more about being unmarried and childless than women Love the glossing over of the deceptive use of data. they can’t match what the man they want brings Weird, bc I want partners who respect and like me, communicate well, have the same values and goals, and match my investment in the practical and social needs of a relationship... and that's the standard I hold myself to, and ask that they hold me to. (Meanwhile, a discouraging number of men here truly only offer a portion of what's in their bank account and boxers. That's just a side hustle and a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/04/26 04:39 PM
–	Red-pill men, is a husband who beat his wife because she cheated on him less guilty? Not "it's never ok to slap a female server"? Nope, bc the server's gender was not specified in the hypothetical. In this example, a person's status as server or customer is the stand-in for gender. The equivalent to your objection would be something like, "oh, so only servers should be protected?" How strange. Yes, it is strange for a person to get so emotional that they feel the need to change the subject so they can levy criticism against someone for not engaging in the new conversation before…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/04/26 04:26 PM
–	Red-pill men, is a husband who beat his wife because she cheated on him less guilty? The "only" is the only reason to even mention the gender Sure, unless you notice that the post specifically poses the question of whether a husband can be justified in violence against a wife, due to her actions. If I ask whether it's ok for a customer to slap a server for poor service, I would expect a response like, "No, it's never ok to slap a server." And no reasonable person would take that to mean, "Only servers shouldn't be slapped."	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/04/26 03:18 PM
2	Men are panicking more about being unmarried and childless than women I'm not sure what's not clicking for you. Women prob buy the most juice boxes. Doesn't mean all of those juice boxes are being consumed by women. (Or that men aren't allowed to buy juice boxes, or that men never buy juice boxes, etc)	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/04/26 02:33 PM
2	Men are panicking more about being unmarried and childless than women Analysis of gendered distribution includes benefits being given to children, attributed to the guardian handling the benefit. If a single dad has a kid who receives benefits, on paper, he is a man receiving benefits.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/04/26 02:30 PM
2	Men are panicking more about being unmarried and childless than women Are you under the impression that children don't receive benefits from those programs?	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/04/26 02:22 PM
3	Men are panicking more about being unmarried and childless than women Not every woman that receives alimony is a SAHM. Didn't say they were. Being SAH is, however, one of the most popular ways to put oneself at economic disadvantage. Also if you had to pay a mortgage at the home you help build and rent at some rancid apartment due to paying both If the house is in your name, you owe the bank. If the house is in both names, you both owe the bank. Divorce doesn't change the terms of the loan. Which is why the majority of divorced couples sell the home and split the …	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/04/26 01:59 PM
2	Men are panicking more about being unmarried and childless than women The "divorce rate" for a given yr is a comparison between the ppl getting married that yr and the ppl getting divorced that yr. They aren't the same relationships. Starting in 1970, long-standing marriages that should've ended before then started to end. The process was state-by-state and gradual, causing periodic floods of overdue divorces. Again, not the ppl getting married that yr. Ppl who had been married. We're currently at 30-45%. Sounds huge! Except the marriage rate has dropped. (Ppl are…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/04/26 01:01 PM
1	Men are panicking more about being unmarried and childless than women Women with children. Nearly 50% of kids receive at least one type of benefit. They cannot legally receive and manage that benefit directly. So it's in the name of, and managed by, their custodial parent... who is most likely to be a woman. Same fallacy used when men present child support as "giving her money." It's giving the kids money, which is managed by the custodial parent.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/04/26 11:42 AM
4	Men are panicking more about being unmarried and childless than women Alimony is based on economics, not gender. If more men were SAH and had that permanent loss of earning potential, more men would qualify. It's not like a bunch of men qualify and are being denied bc they're men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/04/26 11:13 AM
6	Men are panicking more about being unmarried and childless than women He doesn't have to be a saint. It's one of those things where men choose to be underrepresented. Dads who petition for custody get it more often than not - 50-90% of the time, depending on your favorite study. The ones who really go for custody in court get it 92% of the time. It's just that only 4% of dads petition. Can't have more custodial dads unless more men would rather be custodial dads than pay support.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/04/26 12:30 AM
1	Men are panicking more about being unmarried and childless than women *a house he would never have had if it weren't for his family, so the kids he loves (?) don't suffer ftfy	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/04/26 12:08 AM
15	Men are panicking more about being unmarried and childless than women The greatest indicator is socioeconomic instability, which happens to hit harder for custodial moms (who are not widowed) and their kids. It's not the mom. It's the money.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/26 11:42 PM
–	The majority of women can’t make men feel as desired as women who engage in casual sex with them. The paradox of hookups. If she's willing to make a supremely stupid decision "for me," that's a sign that doing it would be a supremely stupid decision on my part... lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/26 11:27 PM
0	Red-pill men, is a husband who beat his wife because she cheated on him less guilty? "no excuse for violence <against certain gender only>". The "only" is on your end, not theirs. You know how kids have no concept of triage or compartmentalization, and their frustration tolerance and emotional intelligence are underdeveloped, so when their parents give medicine to a sick sibling, they have a meltdown that they aren't also getting medicine? They regress and pretend they're as helpless as the new baby, so they don't feel left out? They interrupt IEP meetings to talk about their sc…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/04/26 01:33 PM
1	How quickly does your mind go to sex when you meet an attractive guy? Attraction - not just "yes, this person has a pleasant aesthetic" - takes a min. Once I'm there, it doesn't take long. It's not actionable, but it's there.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/26 09:15 PM
3	What specific social missteps are common among romantically struggling men? Billionaires get away with killing ppl. Somehow I've never thought that was enviable.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/26 09:03 PM
1	We need to stop the contradictions/gaslighting towards men Didn't you just say that bp is bad bc it tells men to better themselves, as if it's their fault?	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/26 08:57 PM
1	Q4W: Do men who speak out in favor of men's rights and issues and object to misandry deserve to be canceled? We expect women to behave ethically, even when they're being physically harmed, terrorized, or marginalized. Why can't we expect men to behave ethically, even when their feelings are hurt?	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/26 06:49 PM
4	Women, especially women aware of their privilege, have made it abundantly clear that men have no reason to harbor even basic goodwill towards them or regard them as potential allies in any endeavor. Men are second class citizens in the west, by every metric, Pls let me know where to find evidence that men cannot own property, drive, vote, file lawsuits, file charges, make their own medical decisions, attend public schools, get a degree, rent or buy housing, peacefully assemble, join the military, practice their religion, choose to marry or not when someone wants to, utilize free speech, carry arms, find employment, run for office, get divorced, borrow money, receive medical care designed fo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/26 11:58 AM
0	Do women really “rank” men and keep options open? Nope. I think the closest I've gotten was right before the 8th grade formal dance, when I hoped one of 2 ppl would go with me.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/26 11:33 AM
5	Women, especially women aware of their privilege, have made it abundantly clear that men have no reason to harbor even basic goodwill towards them or regard them as potential allies in any endeavor. You listed several things that aren't human rights violations at all. If you aren't actually talking about human rights, it's dishonest to say you are.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/04/26 11:22 PM
3	Women, especially women aware of their privilege, have made it abundantly clear that men have no reason to harbor even basic goodwill towards them or regard them as potential allies in any endeavor. Unions want a word with you. Plenty of women in unions, and men working to suppress, dismantle or abuse them. Importantly, "this group is largely made of X," is not the same as, "this group is entirely made of X," or, "all X are in this group." Women leaders have an astonishing record of warmongering. Women consistently vote against military action and support politicians with less violent agendas in developed nations. Women advocate for themselves, not men. They're the ones out there protesting…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/04/26 11:08 PM
8	Women, especially women aware of their privilege, have made it abundantly clear that men have no reason to harbor even basic goodwill towards them or regard them as potential allies in any endeavor. Seems to be a little confusion over what human rights are. In a nutshell, you're free at birth, and a full person, with complete, non-transferable ownership of your body and mind, and have every right that everyone else does. You can't be enslaved, tortured or inhumanely punished, imprisoned or exiled for no reason, prosecuted for your thoughts/beliefs, or forced to work without personal time. You can't be prevented from owning objects/money, seeking asylum, marrying or not, having kids or not, …	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/04/26 06:59 PM
8	Women, especially women aware of their privilege, have made it abundantly clear that men have no reason to harbor even basic goodwill towards them or regard them as potential allies in any endeavor. It goes even far beyond the fact that women still outsource the roles of dangerous work to men while crying about being oppressed. Men spearhead the opposition to labor protections and safety measures, while women make up the bulk of ppl pushing to improve conditions. That's the exact opposite of what we'd expect if men were trying to improve things and women didn't care. Where's the accountability for the men who wanna throw other men under the bus? Where's the recognition that women are acting…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/04/26 05:12 PM
16	Women, especially women aware of their privilege, have made it abundantly clear that men have no reason to harbor even basic goodwill towards them or regard them as potential allies in any endeavor. What human rights are men systematically denied here?	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/04/26 12:36 PM
–	I feel that a lot more people would accept red pill ideas if they were framed differently. Those two statements aren't equivalent in meaning, despite using similar verbage. "Women only want the top 20%," indicates an arbitrary, narrow, universal standard that necessarily must exclude most men. It's fatalistic. "Most men today are lacking and women deserve better," makes no attempt to create an arbitrary, narrow, universal standard at all, let alone one that must exclude most men. It leaves space for progress and discourages enabling a lack of progress. Do you have equivalent examples?	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/04/26 09:34 PM
-1	Red-pill men, is a husband who beat his wife because she cheated on him less guilty? "You should not eat arsenic." "Oh, so you should eat cyanide! Yeah, we get it, you want us to all eat cyanide."	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/04/26 11:56 AM
1	PUA for men is demonized, yet makeup/provocative clothing is accepted for women, even though both are forms of manipulation/seduction for attracting the opposite sex What do you think "for themselves" means?	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/04/26 11:48 AM
1	PUA for men is demonized, yet makeup/provocative clothing is accepted for women, even though both are forms of manipulation/seduction for attracting the opposite sex All logical reasons to value those variables. I enjoy and like my shoes for those reasons You don't have to justify your shoes. It's cool that you can articulate why you like them. But it wouldn't matter if you couldn't. You don't earn the right to pick your shoes without catering to fetishists. You already have it. I love expensive, pretty cutlery even if I know the only reason to have them is for showing off. Given that silverware no longer conveys the same razzle dazzle it used to, and you ca…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/04/26 11:44 AM
5	PUA for men is demonized, yet makeup/provocative clothing is accepted for women, even though both are forms of manipulation/seduction for attracting the opposite sex By that logic, you can't get nice shoes if you aren't wearing shoes for the foot fetish guys. You can't possibly just like the shoes. You can't enjoy wearing them. And you certainly can't wear them when you go out if you don't also wear them when you're at home on the couch. It's all or nothing... or you're just trying to turn foot guys on. Dumb, right? Liking a compliment now and then is not at all the same as dressing to attract someone sexually. If a random guy says, "nice Jordans," or whatev…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/04/26 10:12 PM
19	PUA for men is demonized, yet makeup/provocative clothing is accepted for women, even though both are forms of manipulation/seduction for attracting the opposite sex Women dress for straight men in the same way that you wear shoes for ppl with a foot fetish. You (probably) don't. Not even if you wear sandals. Not even if you wear nice sneakers. Not even if you wear boots. Not even if you go barefoot. Not even if you add embellishments. Not even if you're interested in shoes as fashion (platonically) and have a collection. Not even if it's a vintage pair and you're excited to show your friends. Your body isn't a product for their consumption. If they honestly…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/04/26 06:05 PM
1	Questions for red pilled guys, after seeing some recent debate clips one of the most surefire ways to make many women feel raw lust As a polyam woman... bullshit. Unless everyone involved is polyam, it's cheating. Cheating men are someone else's leftovers. They can't be trusted in any way. Esp not sexually. I'm HL and have never once felt any kind of actionable "raw lust" toward a man I couldn't trust. Just bc he's my type doesn't mean my brain turns off and I can't control myself. (If that did happen, my partners could never trust me not to cheat, and I couldn't…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/04/26 01:07 PM
1	Guys are to blame for expensive dates Is there a breakdown of how much it costs to have friends?	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/04/26 11:25 AM
1	Guys are to blame for expensive dates do you guys really see dating as a chore? Yes. An awful lot of men do not like women, don't want their company, but keep trying to date for some reason.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/04/26 11:20 AM
1	Guys are to blame for expensive dates Many, if not most, women are open to splitting, or would rather split. It removes all grounds for the "you owe me" bull. It just needs to be agreed upon beforehand. Easy peasy. However, it's poor manners to not be prepared to pay when hosting. When we're throwing a party, we're free to ask everyone to be involved, but we don't plan something that depends on their involvement. If you're the one asking, it's bc you want their company. Kinda sounds like you don't want their company, tho. Sounds lik…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/04/26 11:14 AM
-1	Guys are to blame for expensive dates Who's holding a gun to a man's head to force him to go on a date with a woman like that?	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/04/26 11:02 AM
2	The redpill only calls out men when it makes them feel superior. They wont call out men when it makes women "look superior". everyone is calling them out regardless of RP status. That's not true. The amount of victim-blaming when it comes to gendered violence is insane. As is the amount of denial that an act "qualifies" as abuse or SA, regardless of whether it fits legal and clinical definitions. And the defense of actions like the Tea hack. And resistance to accountability structures like IPV registries, even when they're deeply flawed and dangerous for women to use, like the TN one. Then there's contributing to the …	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/04/26 05:31 PM
-1	The redpill only calls out men when it makes them feel superior. They wont call out men when it makes women "look superior". Where was, "women are perfect," said? The whataboutism kills discussion.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/04/26 05:13 PM
26	Do you understand what men mean when men say that the risk is not worth the reward, in reference to women today, and approaching women, and being in relationships with women? Yeah, that's what she said. You responded that not all sex results in pregnancy, as tho that makes it safe. I'm js that it doesn't.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/04/26 04:32 PM
15	Do you understand what men mean when men say that the risk is not worth the reward, in reference to women today, and approaching women, and being in relationships with women? What is the difference between being afraid of a person's judgement and reactions and being intimidated by them?	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/04/26 04:31 PM
26	Do you understand what men mean when men say that the risk is not worth the reward, in reference to women today, and approaching women, and being in relationships with women? Most ppl are not aware that anal is edgeplay and is more dangerous from an STD and injury standpoint. Damage done during that process can lead to a need for stitches, permanent pain in the area, hemorrhoids, infections, etc. Or that oral sex is still a significant STD risk. Over half of new genital herpes cases are hsv-1 - the oral strain. It goes the other way, too. Syphilis is a top risk for that. Throat gonnhorea is insane. And hpv can cause oral cancers. Or that the avg bro likely doesn't th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/04/26 04:27 PM
–	Most men are homoromantic heterosexuals, and most women are heteroromantic homosexuals. Men self-report that their spouse is their closest relationship. Js.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/04/26 11:12 PM
2	The manosphere hates seeing men be criticized, so they pretend women are never criticized to justify expressing that hate. they still criticize men all the time. They criticize made-up classes of men for imagined slights against themselves. Actual measurable harm being done to women is minimized at best. It's about defending themselves, not accountability. Half of the damage men actually do inflict on other men is ignored or denied. (The very existence of toxic masculinity is denied. SA of men is only discussed in the context of women perpetrators.) Ime, the speaker is involved, or is afraid of being accused. It's a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/04/26 01:55 PM
1	Romantic relationships are getting better otherwise you wouldn't be repeating same the very talking point used to keep them shut Ppl need nutrition. If someone comes to me and tells me that they're living on coffee and nicotine, and they feel sick, my advice will be to improve their diet. Add some nutrients. Doesn't matter how many times they ask what to do. As long as their calories are coming in caramel mocha form, the advice will not be different. It's the exact same issue under the exact same circumstances. It is impossible to get a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/04/26 01:34 PM
2	Younger women are just more attractive. You're asking why someone who doesn't have personal experience with a form of abuse should care whether it happens to someone else. The point is that we don't all have to have an experience to care. Just ethics.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/04/26 05:30 PM
2	Younger women are just more attractive. "power imbalance" Putting that in quotes is not a good sign.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/04/26 05:29 PM
2	Younger women are just more attractive. I mean, when a man says out loud, with his mouth, that he's looking for someone as close to puberty as possible bc she'll be easy to manipulate, I'm pretty sure we can take him at his word. When ppl talk about the creeps in age-gap relationships, that's who's being discussed. The ones who are obv not in a healthy relationship that happens to have an age gap.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/04/26 05:26 PM
2	Younger women are just more attractive. I tend to end up with younger women, but not young, and not bc I'm trying to impregnate anybody. lol I'm with you. It's more than some fertility instinct.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/04/26 05:15 PM
3	Younger women are just more attractive. I've never been murdered and yet, I have strong opinions on protecting ppl from being murdered.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/04/26 05:12 PM
1	Q4W: Do you actually pursue men you like? I think it's been about half and half for me. Always situations in which we were already in contact in some other context. Gotta enjoy being around them and wanna be friends. Plus indicators of compatibility and a lack of significant red flags. The timing is a huge factor, too. If I'm not in a period where I'm actively trying to begin a relationship, doesn't matter if he's Prince Charming. In general, I'd guess that women initiate as much as they want to.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/04/26 12:02 PM
1	If women have full agency in modern dating and equal power, why are negative dating outcomes usually framed as men failing women rather than women making poor choices? Why would a priest waste time trying to use his position to stop other priests from committing child abuse - illogical and impossible - when he could just help kids be accountable for their actions and avoid the problem?	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/04/26 12:14 AM
1	Mixed cultural messages about sexuality create confusion around consent and expectations. I don't recommend trying to do that. But complaints about getting consent always come from someone who doesn't realize that it can be asked without breaking the mood.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/26 11:54 PM
1	If women have full agency in modern dating and equal power, why are negative dating outcomes usually framed as men failing women rather than women making poor choices? Yeah, so I'm advising the women to avoid them. Missed the part where that's part of the problem. Did you read any of it?	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/26 11:34 PM
11	Men and women will never agree, on who should approach first. I want a job. I don't put in applications. I don't get a job. Why is society doing this to me?	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/26 09:28 PM
1	If women have full agency in modern dating and equal power, why are negative dating outcomes usually framed as men failing women rather than women making poor choices? Missed the part where the ppl doing the bad thing in question aren't the women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/26 09:16 PM
2	If gender equality means equal agency, why are men usually blamed for dating problems while women’s choices are framed as pure mens fault? It was a great thing. Great things don't drive ppl to suicide and homicide. Great things don't grow entire cultures of substance abuse as a viable method of coping with them. Great things don't require cover-ups. Is it not kinda disturbing that the ultimate fantasy for too many men is childlike dependence on a woman who liked their face at puberty, regardless of the dysfunction inherent in their daily life? "Gee, I wish I had that grandpa's marriage." Bro, they resented one another the entire ti…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/26 04:24 PM
2	If gender equality means equal agency, why are men usually blamed for dating problems while women’s choices are framed as pure mens fault? When made made the rules, it was one woman to one man get married fresh out of high school stay together forever. You say that like it's a good thing. It absolutely was not. An endless sarcastic "be better" rat race? Being better is the entire point of being alive. Are you arguing that the human experience is bad?	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/26 02:54 PM
2	If gender equality means equal agency, why are men usually blamed for dating problems while women’s choices are framed as pure mens fault? Kids raised by widows share equivalent outcomes. The shared variable is economic stability. That said, the measurement of "good outcomes" doesn't measure character. Just education, economic level, criminal history, and self-reported emotional states. None of those things indicate that a person is a good person, well-rounded, fit to be a good partner or parent, etc. An uneducated person who isn't a racist is a better person than a racist with a degree. Misogyny isn't different.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/26 02:48 PM
1	Romantic relationships are getting better The stat is two thirds of men and one third of women under 30. That's much lower compared to the past. We don't have data from other generations on how many ppl are single and choosing not to date. The closest thing we have is avg age of marriage and general satisfaction trends. Ppl marry later - 30, rather than early 20s. Satisfaction while single has risen as being single has become less stigmatized. People might say this is why, but it really can't be if other places have it worse in all thos…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/26 02:33 PM
2	"Misandry is a response to misogyny" is complete BS, and here's proof Both genders bash each other I can tell you the worst thing I overheard about men as a kid... Men cannot be relied upon for support, engagement, help with the house, etc. It's not their fault, it's just how they are. The worst thing I overheard being said about women? A relative saying that women are all re****ed cattle, and lucky they have genitals. Neither of those things are true, kind, or fair to say. Pretty sure you can still see the difference. literally just a part of human socialization …	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/04/26 12:13 AM
3	"Misandry is a response to misogyny" is complete BS, and here's proof united effort driven to go against the opposite gender Yeah, that's always been reality. The larger rhetoric spread thru churches, schools, media, politics, and social conventions. The "messing around" was never harmless. That's how those men lived 24/7, at work, at home, at the polls. Just like a manosphere bro who spends his life undermining and harming women whenever he can. Grandpa wasn't different. He just wasn't online.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/26 06:18 PM
2	Men present a false narrative in dating You assume there's one needle, and it's already in your stack. There may not be a needle. Compatibility is rare. There are way too many things that need to line up, and way too much variety between ppl. If it's there, it's there. If it's not, it's not. But every man, or group of men you match is it's own pile with a chance of containing a needle. All of the potential partners you choose to interact with, and who choose to interact with you, are one haystack. You're simply glancing at these new p…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/26 04:37 PM
4	"Misandry is a response to misogyny" is complete BS, and here's proof Draft compliance has been about 40%, bc nobody cared. (80% of men wouldn't qualify anyway, and we'd have to be running out of soldiers, which would take a lot.) Automatic enrollment is not being championed by women. The vast majority of ppl support doing away with the draft. About 1/3 of women think it should just be integrated, vs half of men. If the complaint is solved by adding more ppl to the draft, the existence of the draft isn't the problem. Women consistently make up the vote for diploma…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/26 02:49 PM
6	"Misandry is a response to misogyny" is complete BS, and here's proof The manosphere exists as it does bc of technology. Back in the day, it was just men in bars and garages, spreading the same crap, and we just called it the afternoon.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/26 12:35 PM
3	"Misandry is a response to misogyny" is complete BS, and here's proof When did they get rid of all of the former laws and replace them, plus codify full reproductive and civil rights? I missed it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/26 12:28 PM
-1	Romantic relationships are getting better Of course. In the same way that someone gets tired of saying, "you do not deserve this," to an abused person. But if we care about ppl, even just on the most basic human level, we keep doing it for as long as we can. Men tell us what the problems are. We can't fix them, or force change. All we can do is believe what they say and provide encouragement.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/26 11:55 AM
-1	Men present a false narrative in dating We, however, have lower standards for a date. When women aren't interested in going on dates with men who aren't likely to be compatible, that's a good thing. It keeps both parties from wasting resources. Adding hay to the pile doesn't spawn extra needles, it just wastes time. The steps of dating are difficult for everyone, in different ways. Men's biggest complaint overall is striking up a conversation. Women's biggest complaint overall is that it's dangerous. The fact that physical danger is o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/26 11:47 AM
3	If women have full agency in modern dating and equal power, why are negative dating outcomes usually framed as men failing women rather than women making poor choices? Nope. Bc we aren't all silly geese. We know that it's profitable to suppress knowledge of labor laws, and that companies do what's profitable. We know that businesses intend to pay a number of settlements and fines over time, bc it's cheaper than doing it right. We know that there's no such thing as an ethical employer, just matters of degree. We know that employers have the ultimate leverage package. And we know that, just bc nothing appeared to happen before now, doesn't mean this is the first…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/26 12:38 AM
-1	If women have full agency in modern dating and equal power, why are negative dating outcomes usually framed as men failing women rather than women making poor choices? I can smell the guy miles away If you get a whiff of a child abuser, do you actually do anything, or just watch it happen and shame the parents for not hiring you to babysit instead? women somehow cannot The research behind lying is interesting. Men are slightly more likely to lie overall, more convincing liars, and more likely to spot an individual lie. Women are more suspicious and more likely to pick up nonverbal cues that indicate a tendency toward dishonesty. Men are socialized to see lying…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/04/26 12:13 AM
7	If women have full agency in modern dating and equal power, why are negative dating outcomes usually framed as men failing women rather than women making poor choices? Being harmed isn't wrong. It's why we charge an employer who makes the staff work off the clock, and not the staff. Frankly, someone trying to shift any part of the blame over to the staff is advertising that they don't think the employer was actually wrong to do it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/04/26 11:25 PM
2	If women have full agency in modern dating and equal power, why are negative dating outcomes usually framed as men failing women rather than women making poor choices? The men have no incentive to change. When a priest is abusing a child, and the priests around him allow, encourage or ignore it, that priest will keep on going. Abusing a kid doesn't have any negative consequences, except maybe if the kid fights back. Even then, he can expect his fellow priests to circle the wagons to protect their own image. They'll pull out the, "He did an evil thing, but..." The kid should've spoken up. The parents should've chosen another church. The staff under him should'v…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/04/26 11:12 PM
1	If women have full agency in modern dating and equal power, why are negative dating outcomes usually framed as men failing women rather than women making poor choices? Public incidents that call for intervention have someone step up 90% of the time. Good men act, and most men are good men. Right? If it were obvious, good men would never be friends with those men, but they are. Good men would never allow those men to have access to kids, but they do. Good men would never defend a rapist or abuser, but they do. Good men would never sit next to those men, let them stand at a pulpit, check their name on a ballot, but they do. Either good men are a tiny minority, o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/04/26 10:24 PM
10	If women have full agency in modern dating and equal power, why are negative dating outcomes usually framed as men failing women rather than women making poor choices? choosing to abuse someone else or choosing to stay with an abuser and be abused. Only one of those things is wrong.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/04/26 09:22 PM
2	Romantic relationships are getting better Marriage rates and dating in general are both on a decline. Almost half of young ppl are single and not dating. The most cited reason (more than 70% of respondents) is that they have bigger things to worry about. Labor market, housing costs, education issues, political upheaval, overall economic decline... That's a reflection of the state of the world, not the dating scene. We expect to see a marriage boom as those kids reach a more stable life stage. The avg age of marriage is already 30. I get…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/04/26 09:02 PM
2	If gender equality means equal agency, why are men usually blamed for dating problems while women’s choices are framed as pure mens fault? You did make the rules. Nope. The things men present as their value, and that women are expected to be attracted to, are things that impress other men. That's a feature of a system in which women are participation trophies. Impress a man, get one of the women he has control over. They're largely inconsequential or detrimental to actual partnership, or have representative value that is entirely different from what they offer to other men. Eg. Stoicism/repression is a benefit if you want an ally a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/04/26 01:50 PM
1	If gender equality means equal agency, why are men usually blamed for dating problems while women’s choices are framed as pure mens fault? The responsibility for an action lies with the person who performs that action. Many of the choices men wanna blame women for are reasonable choices. They just don't make things easier for men, so they're held up as unreasonable. The responsibility for fixing systemic issues lies with the ppl in the best position to do so. Failing to do their best is shirking an ethical and practical imperative. Women are not in the best position to change the gendered pressures and limitations of the system whe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/04/26 12:57 PM
3	If gender equality means equal agency, why are men usually blamed for dating problems while women’s choices are framed as pure mens fault? Sticking around isn't enough. If they have that kind of misogyny baked into their ideals, they would've either raised kids with those same flaws, kids who took those flaws to a more extreme extent, or kids who turned out good in spite of them (with a likelihood that they'll be ultimately rejected). They are wrong. They would not have done better, just different.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/04/26 12:50 PM
1	Women should have higher standards The messaging women receive is that they need lower standards. Their role is to "fix" men, so they need to value potential, assume that flaws and incompatibilities are temporary, etc. As long as that pressure exists, it'll affect behavior. Anyways, research indicates women and men make exceptions to their preferences at the same statistical rate. The top of the ladder is appearance for men and stability for women. Every time a man accepts a woman he doesn't find attractive out, a woman accepts a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/04/26 12:29 PM
1	Men on dating websites shouldn't have the option to swipe on or like profiles That assumes that each one of them has the same likelihood of compatibility. That's only true if each one of them is maximally similar in values, goals, expectations, lifestyle, hobbies, etc. They aren't. That's the point. Having more matches doesn't spawn compatible women into existence. It's an illusion.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/04/26 11:43 AM
–	What if humanity is meant to slowly die out due to incompatibility? Evolution doesn't have intent. However, I wouldn't be surprised to see a Y bottleneck, if not a full bottleneck. Nature operates optimally when females choose the males that are best at being that species, so that the next generation is full of new individuals who are also the best at being that species. Humans have bypassed that function thru force for a long, long time. We have quite a few who aren't "fit specimens," as it were. Removing artificial barriers means letting nature take its course…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/04/26 12:56 PM
1	A lot of feminist identifying women are red-pillers when it comes to male gender roles. just because you don't want to have sex with someone doesn't mean you have a problem with the group they belong to. What? You mean human rights are for all humans? Even the ones I don't find attractive or who don't find me attractive? But that would mean my desire to cause or watch the suffering of others isn't appropriate, even if they make me sad. How am I gonna deal with big feelings now? /s	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/26 10:22 PM
1	There are a FAR too many cons than pros for dating for men. If you were using a dating app, would you search by location?	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/26 06:44 PM
1	There are a FAR too many cons than pros for dating for men. There are 20 containers. I randomly drop a diamond into 18 of them. Which container has more than one diamond?	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/26 06:16 PM
1	There are a FAR too many cons than pros for dating for men. The latter is a choice, the first isn’t really a choice. They're both heavily circumstantial. The careers available to a person depend on location, parental resources, educational access, physical ability, health, and a whole lot of things that happen along the way, over which they have no control. We like to think that we determine our life directions, but we kinda don't. And that's ok. That's what it's like to be a person, and there's nothing wrong with being a person. a life without love A si…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/26 05:42 PM
1	There are a FAR too many cons than pros for dating for men. Is it your claim that adult men and women are at risk of being aborted?	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/26 05:14 PM
1	There are a FAR too many cons than pros for dating for men. No, it doesn't. It's irrelevant. You could've stepped on a rusty nail on a specific Tuesday, as a child, and didn't. That doesn't impact whether or not you're in danger of injury at work, today.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/26 04:58 PM
2	There are a FAR too many cons than pros for dating for men. Most of dating is circumstance. If my circumstance is that I was born with one leg, do I not have the ability to choose to be happy with, neutral about, or hate my body? "Coping" just means "handling." There's nothing negative about dealing with life. If I don't have a pencil, and I use a pen instead, that's coping with the fact that I don't have a pencil. All of life is like that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/26 04:53 PM
1	There are a FAR too many cons than pros for dating for men. The chance of having a diamond isn't dependent on the size of the container. The chances are equivalent. There is one, or there isn't one. The only difference is how many beads have to be sorted to find out if there is.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/26 04:49 PM
1	There are a FAR too many cons than pros for dating for men. It's not a risk that applies to the demographics being discussed. Unless you know about some time-travel multiverse stuff going on, in which a person can be an adult, and suddenly have their lives end bc of the end of a pregnancy 30 yrs ago that was carried to term in this universe.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/26 04:47 PM
1	There are a FAR too many cons than pros for dating for men. Anything that can give advance warning needs to be monitored. Body language, tone, volume, word choice, actions/statements that are informed by character, inconsistencies, personal habits, tidbits about his childhood and how he behaves when we're not together... Plus sorting thru what's coincidence and what's deliberate. If he puts himself between me and the door, and I discretely move to have a clear path, whether or not he "corrects" our placement in the room says a lot. There's no such thing …	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/26 04:44 PM
3	There are a FAR too many cons than pros for dating for men. Yes it is. Not even close. You can like someone's face, and feel good while being around them, and have no idea who they are, let alone whether you like who they are. That misconception is how we get husbands who "don't know what to get her for her bday." He hasn't learned a single thing about who she is, her hobbies/interests, her inner life, or he would have a shitton of obv options. He's married to a body, not a woman. People genuinely like dating attractive people When sex matters to them, y…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/26 04:16 PM
2	There are a FAR too many cons than pros for dating for men. to be married doesn’t mean the act of being married increases life span Again, research indicates that having a wife to push men to get medical care is the primary cause. It's called health-related social control. It's not a mystery.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/26 03:10 PM
1	There are a FAR too many cons than pros for dating for men. Kinda like if I set up a party game... Everyone gets a container of beads. I add a diamond to some of the containers. If you wanna find the diamond, if it's there, you have to go thru the beads. You get a cup of beads. Someone else gets a bucket. And you're mad bc a bucket is bigger than a cup. That's only a benefit if you're playing the game just to move the beads around, and not to find the diamond, if it's there.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/26 03:05 PM
0	There are a FAR too many cons than pros for dating for men. It's not women's job to fix problems that are within men's control.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/26 02:57 PM
1	There are a FAR too many cons than pros for dating for men. The discussion is about adults. Moving the goalposts to virtue signal and minimize the risk that women face isn't appropriate.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/26 02:49 PM
1	There are a FAR too many cons than pros for dating for men. Do I have to have kids to care about whether the world is disproportionately dangerous for kids?	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/26 02:43 PM
3	There are a FAR too many cons than pros for dating for men. Or people who are healthy and likely to live longer are more likely to be married. Most men have been married at least once by 45, but most men also still die earlier than most women. Divorced men not only lose their statistical advantage, their life expectancies are lower than those of single men. That's not something we'd expect to see if those men's baseline health was the primary factor. Research indicates overall that married men live longer in large part bc their spouses push them to get m…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/26 02:39 PM
1	There are a FAR too many cons than pros for dating for men. Not the same person... Everything.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/26 02:23 PM
4	There are a FAR too many cons than pros for dating for men. I almost guarantee you most of the men that date you like you. Liking what she looks like, or how he feels around her, isn't liking her. women saying that they settle for the husbands just for the simple fact that they were getting older and they're not even attracted to the husband Attraction is only at the top of the ladder if sex is the primary purpose of the connection. Kinda silly to acknowledge that the avg woman isn't in it for sex, and then act like having lower physical sexual attractio…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/26 02:22 PM
3	There are a FAR too many cons than pros for dating for men. Whether he flirted clumsily, whether or not he didn't make her feel as comfortable, whether or not he moved a little bit too slow, whether or not he didn't pick up signals, whether or not he just wasn't as interesting through text messages, etc There's a psychological phenomenon that leads everyone, regardless of gender, to be more forgiving and flexible when they wanna like someone. (It's why we forgive our friends for things we wouldn't let a stranger get away with.) A woman who isn't interest…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/26 02:06 PM
0	There are a FAR too many cons than pros for dating for men. Unwanted pregnancy sure When ppl discuss pregnancy risk as a downside to dating, that's what they're talking about.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/26 01:50 PM
2	There are a FAR too many cons than pros for dating for men. Yes but the reality is most men aren't this. Depending on your favorite study, up to 25% of adult men have done something that qualifies. It's not like one man goes around committing dozens of offenses. The avg offender does it once or twice. And I know how that's going to sound there is a gray area that nobody wants to talk about but there are some guys that are unnecessarily pushy and sometimes grab it but they're not necessarily raping these girls Sexual harm is uniquely damaging. It's a meas…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/26 01:47 PM
0	There are a FAR too many cons than pros for dating for men. Or to build a happy life as a single person. Bc alone and lonely are very different things, and you get to choose the meaning and purpose of your own life.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/04/26 01:28 PM
1	Men need to stop making everything about themselves. I live in bear country. That's untrue. I can expound if you like, but the bottom line is fairly simple. Bears in the woods don't prey on humans, generally only attack if threatened, are predictable, and can only cause a couple types of harm. Men can have any number of goals and ulterior motives, are not predictable, and have more options that are arguably more damaging. The way society views bear attacks and treats their victims is completely different from the way society views gendered violenc…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/04/26 09:18 PM
1	Men need to stop making everything about themselves. The ability to separate yourself from the demographics you're in, look at them as objectively as possible, learn, and gain direction, is a really important skill to develop.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/04/26 04:58 PM
1	Men need to stop making everything about themselves. Nope. As weird as it is, it's not about the man listening and getting offended.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/04/26 04:43 PM
–	Men will never support modern feminism because it exclusively benefits women while trying to lecture and belittle men I agree with part one, and disagree with part two. Many men absolutely will never support feminism. But not bc men don't benefit. Men do benefit. Men are better off for it. From what I see, that's not the problem. For women, it's like escaping an abusive home. They knew it was wrong. They've fought to leave and build something new. Finally getting away is a beginning. For men, it's like being kicked out of an abusive home. They know it's wrong. But their identity is intertwined with the abuse. T…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/04/26 04:41 PM
16	Women need to embrace, modernity all the way. Not adhering to traditional gender roles isn't the same as rejection of traditional gender roles. We are no longer on a fixed menu, where every aspect of life is chosen at birth, and most ppl just spend the next 80 yrs enjoying what they can and faking the rest of it. It's a buffet. Everyone gets to choose every aspect separately. Everything is on the table, including what used to be forced on ppl. Most ppl choose a mix, bc we're choosing based on what we like and want individually. What you're …	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/04/26 03:08 PM
–	Women secretly love the Patriarchy because it benefits them in too many ways that they aren't gonna admit. Women don't take the burden of responsibility because most women don't campaign to be in the highest positions of power Women who want positions of power are prevented from taking them. Women usually don't have to go to war, women are not usually drafted Women have to fight to get into the military. While most ppl oppose a draft completely (not that it's the imminent threat it's made out to be), most women believe that, if it has to exist, it shouldn't be gendered. woman don't make up most of la…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/26 12:58 PM
–	Women secretly love the Patriarchy because it benefits them in too many ways that they aren't gonna admit. And who typically works the jobs that are considered life threatening? A minority of single men. The most dangerous jobs have employee counts in the thousands, and are dominated by single men. (Primarily bc single men value pay rates, while married men and women value physical safety and long-term potential. There are women who work in those industries, and women who want to but are prevented or discouraged from doing so.) "stopping the danger" Women support practical prevention at significantly…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/04/26 12:22 PM
–	Just go see a therapist or psychologist. S2g rp is a misandrist psyop grift. "Stay the worst version of yourself! Oh, that isn't working? No, no, no, don't listen to her! You just need my 5-week course. Venmo or PayPal?"	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/04/26 12:09 PM
–	Just go see a therapist or psychologist. Impossible. If there were a standard human relationship model that included communication, we'd have developed speech and speech alternatives. Maybe complex linguistics. Abstract thought.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/04/26 12:04 PM
1	It's cruel to deprive your spouse of sex and also expect monogamy from them "Sex is very important!" "I agree, so I need him to respect my consent." "Noooooooo, not like that! You shouldn't think it's important. It should be like taking out the trash for you. No big deal. If it isn't, you should let him have a side piece or 5." "Well, I'm not ok with that." "Nooooooooo, you're being so mean! You should be ashamed!"	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/04/26 11:58 AM
–	Just go see a therapist or psychologist. Yes, bc I'm the only one in the world who communicates. That's not just a normal human thing that everyone needs.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/04/26 11:52 AM
–	Just go see a therapist or psychologist. Men who can't communicate are exhausting at best. Like 5'10" toddlers. You have to play dumb games to get anything out of them. You're on your own with anything you need, bc they will never listen or hear you. Problems that should be fixable are permanent. And when you finally get tired of doing a bunch of extra work for no reason, he tells everyone you left over a sandwich, bc he's as clueless about the breakup as he was about literally everything else. (That's if it's not malicious.) Advising …	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/04/26 11:31 AM
2	The average hour of an American wife's extra "unpaid labor" is compensated at a rate comparable to the services of a cybersecurity engineer. I don't know Ok. If income and expenses are shared what are we even talking about? Respect, partnership, parity... actually "working" all day long So? Do we devalue his work bc he isn't going at 100% productivity for the entire shift? What about the fact that he doesn't live at work, so he isn't on-call 24/7? What if he has a desk job, where he just sits all day? Where do we draw the line between, "this is work," and, "this is beneath work"? This is before even considering the "unpaid" work (as …	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/04/26 12:38 AM
24	Why isn't there more pushback from women toward women who encourage the male behavior they hate Cold approach isn't evil. It's personal preference. There's no reason for me to try to push my preference onto other women. What is appropriate is advising men to not be rude, aggressive or disrespectful about it. There's nothing wrong with voluntary, safe, creator-controlled sex work, and there's no reason for me to oppose it. What is appropriate is advising men to go beyond porn to get their sex ed lessons. That said, there def are cases in which we need to regulate one another. For example, I…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/04/26 08:03 PM
4	The average hour of an American wife's extra "unpaid labor" is compensated at a rate comparable to the services of a cybersecurity engineer. Same guys who think grocery shopping is me-time.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/04/26 07:24 PM
3	The average hour of an American wife's extra "unpaid labor" is compensated at a rate comparable to the services of a cybersecurity engineer. clean up after themselves and a child they choose to have The excess isn't cleaning up after herself. It's also not cleaning up after a child. That number is just what he generates, minus what he takes care of himself. These numbers are just for a husband. Adding a child is around the equivalent of adding 2 additional husbands, just on her end. approaching relationships transactionally You know how you have friends where you pay for coffee one day, and they pay another day? You don't even keep t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/04/26 06:02 PM
4	The average hour of an American wife's extra "unpaid labor" is compensated at a rate comparable to the services of a cybersecurity engineer. More like 4.6 (RichmondFed) We can go with that. So, his extra work time is 54% of hers. That'll sure show her. He works over half as much. while married men are at work, they don't generate domestic labor You work naked? Women are free to make whatever choices they want, but your math is off. We can round it up to 8 if you want. Doesn't matter. If she ditches him, her domestic work goes down by more than that. She can pick up an extra shift, and she doesn't have to live with the ppl making mess…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/04/26 05:13 PM
3	The average hour of an American wife's extra "unpaid labor" is compensated at a rate comparable to the services of a cybersecurity engineer. Nowhere near as much as married men. The difference is 3.9 hrs a week. His big sacrifice for her is less than half of the time she spends on the portion of domestic labor he generates? rude person Mirrored energy. It's compensated. You framed the compensation as monetary, from the title down. Given that his contribution is apparently 4 hrs of income for 8 hrs of work (assuming he just hands her the money), she's better off with a side hustle, isn't she?	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/04/26 03:38 PM
2	The average hour of an American wife's extra "unpaid labor" is compensated at a rate comparable to the services of a cybersecurity engineer. Because he is at work to pay mortgage so the house doesn't become bank's Lmao y'all love to act like single men don't have jobs. They don't need shelter or food. They're free! Going to work is this huge sacrifice that only married men have to do, so it's super special and balances everything out. What an insult to men. You don't want to go there. Not if you're gonna say some stupid shit, no. Still nothing to support the statement that domestic labor isn't unpaid. Where's the pay?	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/04/26 02:37 PM
3	The average hour of an American wife's extra "unpaid labor" is compensated at a rate comparable to the services of a cybersecurity engineer. She is looking after her house and children that she decided to have out of her own free will. Yes. Why isn't he looking after his house and children that he decided to have out of his own free will? Blows your, "it's not unpaid," argument out of the water, tho. If it were paid, you wouldn't have to invoke an argument that she volunteered.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/04/26 01:53 PM
3	The average hour of an American wife's extra "unpaid labor" is compensated at a rate comparable to the services of a cybersecurity engineer. What happens if they stop or reduce the amount they're doing? Depends on who they're with. IPV, abandonment, frequent arguments... Maybe he's fine, and all she has to worry about is the kids getting rickets and the recurring yeast infections.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/04/26 01:51 PM
0	The average hour of an American wife's extra "unpaid labor" is compensated at a rate comparable to the services of a cybersecurity engineer. He's being paid. She isn't receiving his pay. At best it's going into a household fund, along with hers. But since married men outpace single men in leisure, there's a good chance he's spending it on that. He works, after all, and he needs to relax. The only time she actually receives monetary compensation is if they divorce and divide assets. Then he has to admit that he couldn't have bought that house if he was paying $2k/month on childcare, so he has to share.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/04/26 01:27 PM
3	The average hour of an American wife's extra "unpaid labor" is compensated at a rate comparable to the services of a cybersecurity engineer. Women don't usually complain about food, cleanliness of the house, looking after children, etc when their partners are sick though. Yes! Men's lives can go on pause. Women need to take some medicine and keep going. "It's not even that hard, and you aren't that sick, and I thought you loved me." Same reason that there's no menstrual leave, flexibility for perimenopause, and pregnant women who don't work as long as possible are stigmatized. Whatever's going on in a female body is as trivialized as…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/04/26 01:20 PM
6	The average hour of an American wife's extra "unpaid labor" is compensated at a rate comparable to the services of a cybersecurity engineer. The common consensus among men is that we honestly don't give a shit. Can't wait to tell all of the married and cohabitating women out there that they can do dishes once a week, bathroom once a month (maybe), and laundry when the smell says it's time. Their partners will be thrilled! I say we add Single Boy Dinners, too. None of that, "dinner on the table," crap. Cheerios or a Hot Pocket, and he makes it himself. How often do you get men who are self-confessed "clean freaks"? How often do you ge…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/04/26 01:07 PM
13	The average hour of an American wife's extra "unpaid labor" is compensated at a rate comparable to the services of a cybersecurity engineer. Men's standards for when they are doing the work are lower. They expect more when a woman is doing the work. In one study, participants who were shown pictures of rooms in various states of cleanliness judged them more harshly if they were told that the person doing the cleaning was a woman. Everyone holds women to a higher standard of domestic labor. (Men also tend to have no idea what "a little" makeup is. A no-makeup look is still a lot of makeup, time and work. The difference is in the produ…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/04/26 11:51 AM
2	Women collectively bring up extremely silly arguments to prove that they "have it harder" than men (Spoiler: They do not) Discovering intersectionality? There are lots of kinds of privilege connected to various demographics and circumstances. We are all in a whole bunch of demographics, under changing circumstances, so we're all a mixed bag. A rich man has a leg up on a working man bc of class. A working man still has a leg up on a working woman, bc of gender. The same working man is beneath baseline in some cases, and at baseline in others. That's intersectionality. What you're missing is the point of understandin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/04/26 03:34 PM
1	A lot of men would rather be with a woman who they know is using them than be single. I disagree. Even if she never dates a man, unlearning things that aren't true is necessary for her own quality of life. On a societal scale, forcing bigotry back into ppl's heads so they can be awful without harming others is the realistic goal. Individually, we still want each person to work thru it and come out healthier and happier.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/04/26 12:50 PM
1	A lot of men would rather be with a woman who they know is using them than be single. Behavioral differences matter. Considering that 1/3 of men are abusive in some way, 1/10 are violent, and (depending on your favorite study) up to 25% have done something that qualifies as SA... yet there are no men who know anyone who's done those things or has traits that make them likely to do those things... I strongly question whether men, as a whole, know each other at all. I'd say it can be fairly attributed to socialization. Women have been taught to lean on one another, and men have bee…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/26 01:56 PM
1	A lot of men would rather be with a woman who they know is using them than be single. Women discuss day to day lives, attitudes, problems, etc. It becomes apparent pretty quickly if a woman is with someone she doesn't like. Meanwhile, a friend of my husband's was beating his gf for yrs and there were apparently no red flags in their interactions.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/26 01:33 PM
-1	A lot of men would rather be with a woman who they know is using them than be single. No wonder dudes don't know their friends well, if that's how they think women act.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/26 01:26 PM
5	A lot of men would rather be with a woman who they know is using them than be single. Do u want us to tell men to express love in ways other than providing ? It's bizarre to me how many men will lead with providing, insist that that's what they're bringing to the table, and then complain when women accept those terms.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/26 01:09 PM
6	A lot of men would rather be with a woman who they know is using them than be single. You dont date women as a man, so you wouldn't know. Women are more transparent with friends than men are. A man may hide being abusive, bc all his friends do is exist in the same area and discuss surface-level topics. It's less likely for a woman to do the same, bc women rely on friends for support. Some women do accept the traditional narrative that men provide, and women should be content with just that. When men lead with provision as the thing they're "bringing to the table," they will meet …	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/03/26 01:04 PM
3	Why do you think women are hypergamous? In modern day as a woman you're free to end your genetic line by never getting pregnant. Not an option for great-grandma, or for a pregnant child. Still not an option that's available evenly. But it is growing in popularity. Importantly, pre-pregnancy options are not pregnancy options. The argument is that women couldn't be working, cleaning, raising kids, etc, if it was "that bad." They just couldn't handle it. Those things don't get done bc it's not a big deal. They get done bc there's no choi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/03/26 08:25 PM
1	If women treated men like men treat women we would love it. Lesbians still don't have as much sex as gay men. Dunno what the significance of that is. Lesbians have less frequent (and better, judging by orgasm frequency and satisfaction) sex. What does that have to do with anything?	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/03/26 07:38 PM
4	Why do you think women are hypergamous? It's uncomfortable and it is a toll on the body, yes. It's a temporary disability. It reduces mobility, changes the center of gravity, makes them more prone to illness and injury, makes existing health issues worse, and comes with temporary health issues that can then become permanent. Nvm birth. 16 years old girls can stomach it. One of my grand-gradmothers survived 9-10 pregnancies working in the fields at the same time. What's the alternative? Outside of suicide... threathen them with enlistm…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/03/26 07:01 PM
1	Redpillers : Are You Aware Of The Various Contradictions Within RP? men they already find attractive women will take an in depth look at to see if they have those qualities, isn't it. Ohhhhhh you don't realize that nonverbal cues say a lot about a person in an extremely short amount of time. That makes sense, actually. If I reject someone bc he's signaling immaturity... but you don't see that he's signaling immaturity... I guess it would make sense to assume that the problem must be something you can see. If all you see is what he looks like, then it must be his…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/03/26 06:15 PM
2	Redpillers : Are You Aware Of The Various Contradictions Within RP? I think men develop themselves in lots of ways that they know have no importance or relevance to women. And what backs this up is that these traits or skills are never mentioned by women at all when describing those men. When women describe partners they're happy with, you never hear anything other than, "he's conventionally attractive and makes a lot of money"? Who are you talking to? Where are you meeting men who have emotional intelligence, are healing their trauma, are independent, have self…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/03/26 05:13 PM
2	Redpillers : Are You Aware Of The Various Contradictions Within RP? the woman is the one whose reducing his value to that I disagree. Women consistently advise men to develop personal traits and skills that make them unique. The ppl pushing the idea that men are their boxers and bank accounts are overwhelmingly other men. (Esp men trying to sell something.)	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/03/26 04:08 PM
1	Redpillers : Are You Aware Of The Various Contradictions Within RP? Then you don't need those "alpha traits" to make money. Good news for ppl who aren't tall and conventionally attractive, bc the cosmic accident of their DNA doesn't mean as much as rp would have them believe, after all. (Inb4 the argument of cosmetic surgery - the highest prevalence is among gay men and married men, most of whom are in their mid-40s. Not the strapping young lads on the prowl.) Insert gif of Master Shake saying, "It's the beautiful people that are the smart ones, and it's that ve…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/03/26 02:58 PM
2	Redpillers : Are You Aware Of The Various Contradictions Within RP? Yep, those are decent examples of the first situation. I'd add in men and RP, Christianity and child abuse, white ppl and murder...	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/03/26 02:03 PM
1	Redpillers : Are You Aware Of The Various Contradictions Within RP? Then, there's shit various people who identify as redpillers say. When a contradictory trait is tolerated and welcomed to the extent that it becomes pervasive, it becomes a parameter of the demographic. If the demographic is actively rejecting and correcting that trait, then they get to say, "This guy identifies with our group, and he's unwelcome and not representative." Once it reaches the point where that trait has become a parameter of the group, it's NTS. They were a tolerated and welcomed p…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/03/26 01:47 PM
2	Redpillers : Are You Aware Of The Various Contradictions Within RP? That man is essentially irrelevant and interchangeable. That's true of any man who reduces his value to appearance, cash or status. If all she needs to replace him is a decent erotic novel, a side hustle, and enough self-esteem to not care if some random nobody judges her, there's no reason to even attempt to form any kind of relationship.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/03/26 01:32 PM
2	Redpillers : Are You Aware Of The Various Contradictions Within RP? In reality you talk to an md or lawyer and they look good and are usually tall. Didn't know that appearance got ppl degrees. Do they hide the test answers in their perfectly conditioned hair?	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/03/26 01:26 PM
1	Why do you think women are hypergamous? Excuse to vilify women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/03/26 01:19 PM
5	Why do you think women are hypergamous? Pregrancy is not a herculean task Continuing the long and storied history of men downplaying and denying everything medical in female bodies, and the practical results of poor health. Depressing that you get half a point for at least admitting it's burdensome. Kinda. A little.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/03/26 01:16 PM
2	Q4women would you date a trans guy? Yes to all.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/03/26 12:49 PM
–	Social Skills are underrated as a Man, and every man that claims its not that relevant has never seen a really charismatic man. Awww sad that women don't all share your taste in men?	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/03/26 12:55 AM
–	Social Skills are underrated as a Man, and every man that claims its not that relevant has never seen a really charismatic man. The fact that you aren't attracted to a man, and can only fathom giving him duty sex 3x a week (that's way more than duty, bud...) doesn't mean anything. His partner doesn't need your permission to be attracted to him, to wanna have sex with him, or to have sex with him. He's getting past step 0. Therefore, step 0 is not as big a barrier as you believe... or just doesn't hinge on what you think is sexy in a man.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/03/26 12:54 AM
1	Men are the dice of humanity and will therefore always be the majority group in both positions of power (politics, military) and positions of powerlessness (homelessness, prisons) Yet the initial difference did exist at some point, and it must have been caused by biology, otherwise it would not have been the initial difference to begin with. Could go back to Luca if we wanted... There have been lots of biological differences along the way. They're relevant to today insofar as they got us here. That's all. there is no evolutionary theory that supports race differences. I mean... Race literally is part of the evolutionary divergence we've experienced. We didn't lose melanin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/03/26 12:48 AM
2	Men are the dice of humanity and will therefore always be the majority group in both positions of power (politics, military) and positions of powerlessness (homelessness, prisons) That could be true, if we were less social and not sapient. We have a severe lack of genetic diversity that leads to high rates of mutation. I've seen estimates of the number of ppl with some genetic abnormality as high as 60%. Being abnormal is normal. The reason that hasn't driven us to extinction is sociality and sapience. We have a drive to include and care about ppl. Even the odd ones. So men occupy a dominant demographic despite being genetically fragile. Our partner selection process elev…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/03/26 02:53 PM
–	Social Skills are underrated as a Man, and every man that claims its not that relevant has never seen a really charismatic man. Research charge is $25/hr with a 2 hr minimum. Is it worth $50 to save the 5 secs it takes to Google, "tall men divorce more"? If so, your time must be worth $36k per hr. That's a hell of a salary.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/03/26 12:50 PM
–	Social Skills are underrated as a Man, and every man that claims its not that relevant has never seen a really charismatic man. A below average or average man cannot be seen as charismatic, it just doesn't work. And even when it works, the attraction is different too and less primal. Speak for your own taste in men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/03/26 12:48 PM
–	Social Skills are underrated as a Man, and every man that claims its not that relevant has never seen a really charismatic man. I find that disingenuous. If the goal were just to get dates, men would be flocking to dives at 2, catching the last of the barflies as they flutter out the door. That's easy af.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/03/26 12:44 PM
–	Social Skills are underrated as a Man, and every man that claims its not that relevant has never seen a really charismatic man. Comprehension issue? What you see is a sliver of reality, filtered thru your limited human ability to understand what it means. That's why we have studies.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/03/26 12:39 PM
–	Social Skills are underrated as a Man, and every man that claims its not that relevant has never seen a really charismatic man. Studies beat anecdotes. Esp if the goal is to have a successful relationship. Since when do men magically know when that's happening?	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/03/26 12:31 PM
–	Social Skills are underrated as a Man, and every man that claims its not that relevant has never seen a really charismatic man. I dont know if thats true NYU study Ive never not gotten a number That's only success if the goal is just to get a number. Is that it?	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/03/26 12:30 PM
–	Social Skills are underrated as a Man, and every man that claims its not that relevant has never seen a really charismatic man. Tall men marry at an earlier age and divorce at a higher rate. Unless the goal is divorce, they're ultimately less successful.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/03/26 11:35 AM
–	Social Skills are underrated as a Man, and every man that claims its not that relevant has never seen a really charismatic man. They got past Step 0.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/03/26 11:21 AM
–	A lot of guys here endlessly whine about dating, but only give the most lukewarm effort into actually doing it If women want to maintain their quality of life, they have to provide something that makes men as a collective continue to provide it. Men don't provide. Not being actively horrible isn't providing. I don't prevent my neighbors from living normal lives. That doesn't mean I'm providing for them. Just being a regular person. Men do not have to be bribed into being regular ppl. Women do not need that, and men are not inferior to women. That used to be the prospect of a relationship/familly but if t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/03/26 09:21 PM
–	A lot of guys here endlessly whine about dating, but only give the most lukewarm effort into actually doing it Not talking about haggling. while men aren't offering what's necessary, they are offering something they think is reasonable to get a positive outcome. That's haggling. "Take what I'm willing to give, even tho it's less than what it's worth." For women, as a group, the priority isn't to have a relationship, even if it's bad. It's to live well, even if that means not having a relationship. That's a good thing. Men don't deserve to be in unhealthy, resentful, disrespectful relationships either. In…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/03/26 01:57 PM
–	A lot of guys here endlessly whine about dating, but only give the most lukewarm effort into actually doing it When the cost of something is too high, you shouldn't buy it but that doesn't mean you shouldn't try to figure out a way to make the cost more reasonable. Haggling is for yard sales, where ppl are more interested in getting you to take it than they are in getting what it's worth. Wanting a relationship with an average woman is not equally unrealistic as wanting billions of dollars. Doesn't matter how realistic it is. It's a desire that comes at a cost. That's the role it plays in the metaphor. M…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/03/26 12:20 PM
–	A lot of guys here endlessly whine about dating, but only give the most lukewarm effort into actually doing it Nobody wants to go just live their life because they want the human experience. So much more to being human. But the discussion here is that some ppl find that it's too much work. If it's too much work, then the solution is to go do something else. They want to get what every other generation got before them. There's not a lot of understanding of what that actually was. The norm has never been a good relationship. Just a relationship. They were insulated from the fact that most of the marriages …	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/03/26 11:29 AM
3	If women treated men like men treat women we would love it. I'm a HL woman. The prospect, the idea of it, is exciting. Actually doing it with someone who isn't an established partner is a completely different animal. The risk of almost every negative aspect is higher, sometimes by orders of magnitude, for cis women. Not having to think of sex as a low-reward, high-risk activity is a privilege. It's a bit like going to Disney with a kid. They get to just assume everything's good and focus on the fun stuff. And they do have fun. You're the one who has to d…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/03/26 01:01 PM
-2	If women treated men like men treat women we would love it. Yep. None of the things that they cannot relate to.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/03/26 11:42 AM
1	Do you get offended if a guy you deem unattractive hits on you/asks you out? Not a fan of cold approach, so that part is annoying. Doesn't matter what his appearance is. He gets the same, "no, thank you," as anyone else. As long as his behavior isn't concerning, we're good.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/03/26 09:50 AM
1	The courting process never ends for men. Having a relationship requires having a relationship. I disagree that that's a bad thing. If a relationship doesn't look the way you need it to look, you don't belong in that relationship. You are not compatible. If you cannot tell your partner when you're stressed, need a quiet period, or need support, you don't belong in that relationship. It's a function of trust. If you don't trust your partner, you don't have a healthy relationship. Compatibility is just as important as consent, guys. Looki…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/03/26 01:48 PM
1	If women were physically stronger, we'd be seeing a lot more cases of female on male sexual assault. I wouldn't expect that at all. Could get long-winded, but the gist of it... Men are socialized to see themselves as dominant, control their environment, see women as part of that environment, turn dysfunction outward, and strongly resist developing healthy coping skills and seeking help when needed. Resorting to violence to deal with discomfort is the result of a series of failures. Women are failed in different ways that result in turning dysfunction inward. As a group, women are not set up to …	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/03/26 01:23 PM
2	A relationship is not trading commitment for sex Research I've seen indicates that the pressure to marry drops after 40, so being single while older doesn't carry the same level of stigma as being single while younger. (Something about it being considered failure as a young woman, but deliberate/independent if she's older.) Looks like older divorced women still carry the internal stigma as well.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/26 04:18 PM
–	Most of the time when "empathy is not enough" for a guy, it's just a disagreement about his problem itself. Suicide and "accident" rates went down after instituting no-fault divorce. (Dudes really underestimate how many widows back when would rather have been divorcees.) DIY terminations are relatively rare. Men do not get to be as terrible as they want with no risk of being left. Women aren't protesting for their right to divorce by withholding sex, marching, and flooding politicians' mailboxes. We've even managed to decrease the stigma for women who leave. When I was a kid, we were not allowed to ta…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/26 04:13 PM
–	Just because someone doesn't want to do things your way or in your timeline, doesn't mean they don't like or that they are the bad guys. the anti social people are doing more damage I wouldn't expect you to include yourself. Even dysfunctional ppl tend to not wanna be seen as dysfunctional. When Steve is an ass to customers, and the rest of the office splits the duty of answering the phone without him, instead of firing him, that's the group making up for an individual deficit. Works the same way when it's any kind of deficit, including ones beyond their control. School lunches, fire depts, foster homes, uninsured motorist insura…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/26 03:45 PM
3	Just because someone doesn't want to do things your way or in your timeline, doesn't mean they don't like or that they are the bad guys. Sounds convoluted. Nope. No different from thinking your religion is right, and still defending others' right to choose their own. Or setting a "no meat at my house" rule, while shutting up if ppl are eating burgers at a restaurant. Or caring about someone who doesn't take care of their health, without treating them like a child. Respecting someone's right to make bad choices is important.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/26 03:33 PM
–	Most of the time when "empathy is not enough" for a guy, it's just a disagreement about his problem itself. it is not better for men. Untrue. Say women cannot divorce. The result of that is a high suicide rate among wives, a high rate of "accidental death" among husbands, prevalence of DIY terminations (to lessen the amount of leverage an abusive husband could have), lots of self-medicating, free reign to cheat and abuse as long as it can't be proven in court, guaranteed lifelong domestic labor, guaranteed sexual release (marital SA wasn't recognized till later), and escalating protests/demonstrations…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/26 02:59 PM
–	Just because someone doesn't want to do things your way or in your timeline, doesn't mean they don't like or that they are the bad guys. Doesnt feel like good guys are winning. Not at all the subject at hand. I empathize with the emotion. Just off-topic.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/26 02:23 PM
1	Just because someone doesn't want to do things your way or in your timeline, doesn't mean they don't like or that they are the bad guys. Nope. Some choices are objectively harmful. Adults have the right to harm themselves. As long as that's all that's happening, my involvement is limited by my respect for their autonomy. My rule of thumb is bringing it up once, expressing concern, asking questions. Then focusing on setting my own boundaries as needed. If you wanna drink yourself to death, that is your right as an adult. Doesn't mean I think it's awesome, can trust you to babysit, or can watch it happen.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/26 02:12 PM
–	Most of the time when "empathy is not enough" for a guy, it's just a disagreement about his problem itself. Empathy is about the person, not the problem directly. If a little kid starts crying bc a plastic bug scared them, you feel distress bc of the kid's distress. Not bc the plastic bug is genuinely terrifying. Not bc they're having a reaction that's proportional. But bc you care about the kid, can understand the emotions they're going thru, and have a desire to help address or end the bad thing if that's reasonable. It's inaccurate to say you don't care unless you're also terrified of the bug. The …	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/26 02:08 PM
0	Just because someone doesn't want to do things your way or in your timeline, doesn't mean they don't like or that they are the bad guys. Doesn't have anything to do with education or economics. Sex is not a safe activity. It's like accepting unknown drugs from someone bc they have a nice watch. Not exactly ppl I would trust with anything until/unless they mature. Heartbreaking if they're someone I already care about. Ppl deserve better.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/26 01:49 PM
–	Most of the time when "empathy is not enough" for a guy, it's just a disagreement about his problem itself. The reason women have rights is bc it became more painful to try to maintain the status quo than to change. Same way govts and corporations change. Individual men joining on principle is awesome. It helps a lot, as it increases the discomfort. (Men as a whole do not see women as peers. The disapproval of women doesn't mean much. The disapproval of other men, tho. That's impactful. Can't be rejected by the bros.) Depending on how restrictive a circumstance is, the most discomfort a person can cau…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/26 01:45 PM
–	Most of the time when "empathy is not enough" for a guy, it's just a disagreement about his problem itself. Thank you! Misandry absolutely exists (eg enforcement of toxic masculinity) but many specific issues that are commonly cited are a bit like a house led to water and then dying of thirst.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/26 01:24 PM
5	Just because someone doesn't want to do things your way or in your timeline, doesn't mean they don't like or that they are the bad guys. Do you just not associate with ppl who have personal ethics and standards? Or even a sense of self-preservation? That sounds very unhealthy. I wouldn't wish that life on anyone I care about.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/26 01:19 PM
–	Just because someone doesn't want to do things your way or in your timeline, doesn't mean they don't like or that they are the bad guys. I'd rather be a sociopath Success! Fortunately, there are humans around you who will make up for your social deficit, so you can survive. Civilization is so cool.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/26 01:15 PM
1	Just because someone doesn't want to do things your way or in your timeline, doesn't mean they don't like or that they are the bad guys. Honesty is the way. We should all be in the habit of being honest in daily life. Relationships aren't different. No games, no tricks, no using, just being clear and making educated decisions.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/26 01:10 PM
5	Just because someone doesn't want to do things your way or in your timeline, doesn't mean they don't like or that they are the bad guys. Ew. I'm sorry if your parents set that example for you. It's not the norm. The fact that it's not the norm is the entire reason men have any issues at all dating.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/26 01:06 PM
6	Just because someone doesn't want to do things your way or in your timeline, doesn't mean they don't like or that they are the bad guys. Sociopathy, in the wild.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/26 01:05 PM
4	Just because someone doesn't want to do things your way or in your timeline, doesn't mean they don't like or that they are the bad guys. Most women will probably just consent to sex with some guy off the internet after a few hours (or 30 minutes, or instantly off the dating app, or whatever) if he’s nice to them and initiates with a kiss. Problem solved, everybody go home. Men get sex immediately, bc women have sex immediately, and everyone's happy. That was easy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/26 01:04 PM
–	There should be female only draft. Nope. Not what's being discussed. If we wanted to make a list of traits that would qualify a person as a "real man," would that include the desire to send pregnant women into war zones as combatants, regardless of consent, specifically to punish them for perceived "shenanigans"?	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/26 01:00 PM
2	Women are more violent than we think. And men less so You don’t pick labor off of trees. It is literally the use of one’s body to produce economic outcome inclusive of the use of each and every one of one’s organs. I'm glad that men don't have to worry about having their bodies violated to such a degree that the closest you can get to it in your mind is paying a bill you'd rather not pay. I truly am. inclusive of ... pregnancy and childbirth Logical fallacy. False equivalence. Pregnancy is fundamentally separate. The "girl version" of having a job …	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/26 11:44 AM
5	Women are more violent than we think. And men less so Actually, men are legally required to use our bodies to produce sustenance and shelter for our offspring until they reach the age of maturity under penalty of fines, income garnishment, and even imprisonment. Required to use their labor, just like women are. Both parents are equally "on the hook" when it comes to parenthood. And they are obligated to provide financially, via labor. Pregnancy has no parity. I know it's uncomfy to be left out of something but, until/unless cis men can carry and bi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/26 03:31 AM
3	A relationship is not trading commitment for sex Tbh, I don't have them saved, but I'll take a look. The avg is an aggregate of women who developed low libido at different ages. Low libido being a persistent lack of interest, absence of desire/thoughts, and marked difficulty or inability to get started and finish. I believe that anything less than 10x per yr is considered a dead bedroom.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/26 02:39 AM
5	Women are more violent than we think. And men less so women do not own the bodies of their offspring You don't own the body of any other person on this planet. None of them have the right to use your body without your consent. As with all other human rights, ownership of your body cannot be violated, even if doing so would alleviate someone's suffering or sustain their life. Your body was yours when you were born, and it'll be yours long after you die. Not negotiable. Here's the part you won't like... That applies to every human. Even the ones with…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/26 02:20 AM
6	Women are more violent than we think. And men less so Yes, yes, men should own women's bodies, we got it. One good way to reduce a woman's chances of needing a termination is to not have sex with her. Telling her you think she'll have more autonomy when she's dead should help with that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/26 01:25 AM
5	Women are more violent than we think. And men less so It isn't. Also, later terminations are extremely rare, and are losses of wanted pregnancies. No one's termination should be villified. But even the worst would have difficulty trying to call ppl who went home to empty nurseries murderers. Js	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/26 01:22 AM
3	A relationship is not trading commitment for sex Nah, that one fell flat. There's lots of inspiration around here, tho. You'll get the hang of it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/26 01:15 AM
2	A relationship is not trading commitment for sex Regardless of whether she worked the entire time and didn't make other sacrifices, she would face more social stigma than you would. Your social perception would be pretty close to what it was when you were married. Hers would be lower than it was when she was single.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/26 12:38 AM
3	A relationship is not trading commitment for sex You're so good at being a creep! You must've been doing research for a while. Great job.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/26 12:01 AM
3	A relationship is not trading commitment for sex Men can do the same thing women can do and just go into relationships and leave when he’s not happy Absolutely. Men tend to stay and cheat, which is why women file for divorce more regularly. They aren't required to do that. It turns out not having sex makes the vast majority of men unhappy Most men in relationships are happy with the amount of sex they're having, even when it's relatively infrequent. I know the challenge of being HL with a LL partner. Adaptation is the name of the game. I recom…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/26 11:59 PM
–	If you believe most men are unattractive then you should be ok with the current dating market Women absolutely do not need to be masculine in the slightest as far as men are concerned. Nope. Even tradwives are expected to have masculine traits. She needs to be able to stay calm in stressful situations, or she can only take care of the kids when they're healthy and well-behaved. Literally every issue would necessitate a call to the office. That won't do. She needs resilience - it's not like he's gonna take over when she's struggling with menstruation, pregnancy, perimenopause, menopause, …	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/26 10:56 PM
4	A relationship is not trading commitment for sex nOt HaAaaAAaaaaAaaaaaAAppy Oooooh the "tolerable level of permanent unhappiness" in the wild! I'm so excited. I haven't seen it put in such whiney terms. forcing them to stay Nobody's forcing anyone. These men shouldn't be in relationships with women who haven't agreed to those terms. Which oughta be any woman, tbh, unless they don't plan on living past, like, 30. "Let me rape you or I'll leave," is a super attractive option, dgmw, but uhm... transparency. Any straight women who aren't prepared …	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/26 10:20 PM
–	If you believe most men are unattractive then you should be ok with the current dating market Men need to be both masculine and feminine That's just being a well-rounded person. Everyone will have traits considered to be stereotypically masculine and feminine. it takes an exponential amount of more force to both gain muscle and lose fat from ALL parts of your body Women don't expect that. Research indicates women trend toward avg body types in men. (Men trend toward underweight body types in women. Between projection of their own desires and pressure from other men, I get it, but it's no…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/26 10:06 PM
4	A relationship is not trading commitment for sex Lmao that is excellent satire. Gross dudes would def say that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/26 09:56 PM
5	A relationship is not trading commitment for sex Are you implying that a significant number of men don't know about the birds and the bees? They didn't take sex ed or biology? Never met an older woman? Never watched a sitcom with jokes about parents and old ppl not having sex like they used to? I really don't think men are as stupid as you're trying to make them appear to be. the right to stop having sex Yeah, the only ppl who wanna have sex with a partner who isn't enthusiastically consenting are rapists. Pretty sure men shouldn't need to be …	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/26 09:54 PM
1	"Hot guys be assholes to women!" Well that ain't you I think I envy the people at work who achieved a sort of zen, zero-morality state Yeah. Trying to have character is exhausting. It doesn't pay to stay in a job longer than 2 yrs anymore. Profits over ppl, all the way. UBI and staunch labor protections would go a long way toward putting employers back in their place. I hope that's on the horizon.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/26 09:46 PM
7	A relationship is not trading commitment for sex If a man doesn't love his partner enough to build a foundation that isn't sex, all he has to do is be honest about it. "You are a sex dispenser to me, so when the sex stops, I will leave you. You can decide what to do with that information." Voila!	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/26 09:38 PM
5	A relationship is not trading commitment for sex Men can also become old, ugly, gross, sick, disabled, or otherwise sexually unavailable. Men can also get HIV or be in a vegetative state. Men also risk being abandoned by their partners. That's true. Women are more likely to experience chronic illness or disability, and earlier in life, than men are. (Thanks, estrogen.) That doesn't mean men don't experience them. Everyone becomes disabled to some degree if they don't die first. However, men are more likely to leave a sick or disabled gf/wife. …	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/26 09:33 PM
1	"Hot guys be assholes to women!" Well that ain't you How many times is too many times to tell the truth?	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/26 06:54 PM
3	A relationship is not trading commitment for sex Ime, they really do not. lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/26 06:41 PM
1	A relationship is not trading commitment for sex Nope. I'm stating facts. If men do not love their partners, they should stay home and invest in tissues. Not pretend.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/26 06:40 PM
1	"Hot guys be assholes to women!" Well that ain't you Except the part where you insist women must be lying just bc they make exceptions, just like everyone else. Guess men must not care about looks, despite what they say, since they often go for women who aren't super hot? What a bunch of liars.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/26 06:35 PM
1	A relationship is not trading commitment for sex Sure, if they don't love their partners. In that case, they shouldn't pretend to commit in the first place.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/26 06:33 PM
1	A relationship is not trading commitment for sex If it’s not mutual It prob won't be, and it's unrealistic to assume it isn't an inevitability. Copied from elsewhere: More than 1/3 of women develop chronic illness. More than 12% will become disabled. 10%+ have or will have depression. 60% of women take daily prescriptions and loss of libido is a common side effect. (Ironically, that includes birth control.) Low desire can persist for yrs after having kids, esp if kids are disabled. 9% of women experience pain every time they have penetrative s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/26 05:09 PM
1	A relationship is not trading commitment for sex Plenty of ppl do enjoy it. It's just not for everyone, like anything else. What's of more concern, to me, is the lack of understanding that it's edge play. Too high of a risk of injury to go into it without research and full negotiation. Can't just copy porn and think it's gonna work.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/26 05:02 PM
3	A relationship is not trading commitment for sex How am I suppose to do that The same way you would with anyone else. You're free to bail for any reason, just like she is. They're also not mutually exclusive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/26 04:56 PM
3	A relationship is not trading commitment for sex Thank you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/26 04:54 PM
1	"Hot guys be assholes to women!" Well that ain't you Personality and character do rank highly on the list of traits for partner selection. Just bc there are inevitably exceptions made doesn't make that statement dishonest. But, again, even if your fingers are in your ears, it doesn't matter. There's one logical path, regardless of how you get there. (Frankly, it would be dumb to pick just on looks, esp for a hookup. Sex is a dangerous activity. That's like letting someone pack your parachute bc they're well-spoken. If anyone is ridiculous enough t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/26 04:53 PM
1	"Nice" is neither a synonym of "good" nor necessarily a positive trait. Your friend is going to a party. He dresses like a clown, but he thinks he looks great. You tell him "you look like a clown". Again rude, again good. They don't teach manners anymore... It's impolite to point out something that can't be fixed in 5 mins. Fashion is subjective, so we can pretend his shirt has a hole on the back of one shoulder. That's objectively a reason to change. If you're at his house, where he can change, then something should be said. If you're at your house, where you can l…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/26 04:41 PM
1	A relationship is not trading commitment for sex You act as if the sex stopping is inevitable. Copied from elsewhere: More than 1/3 of women develop chronic illness. More than 12% will become disabled. 10%+ have or will have depression. 60% of women take daily prescriptions and loss of libido is a common side effect. (Ironically, that includes birth control.) Low desire can persist for yrs after having kids, esp if kids are disabled. 9% of women experience pain every time they have penetrative sex, and more than half sometimes experience enoug…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/26 04:15 PM
4	A relationship is not trading commitment for sex But treating it as inevitable it as bad as treating it as unlikely. I disagree. If you're prepared, and it never happens, you haven't lost anything. If you assume it won't happen, and you never prepare, you lose a lot - potentially everything - if it does. And I believe mature people actually in love will find ways to express romantic affection physically, if it is important to them. I agree. But when straight men say, "sex," they mean penetrative sex with orgasm. Cuddling, petting, kissing, pho…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/26 04:07 PM
11	A relationship is not trading commitment for sex Why do you say "when the sex stops?" Bc it should be considered an inevitability. Otherwise, it's relegated to the realm of, "that won't happen to us." And that's a recipe for disaster. More than 1/3 of women develop chronic illness. More than 12% will become disabled. 10%+ have or will have depression. 60% of women take daily prescriptions and loss of libido is a common side effect. (Ironically, that includes birth control.) Low desire can persist for yrs after having kids, esp if kids are disa…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/26 03:34 PM
1	"Hot guys be assholes to women!" Well that ain't you The statement that men who bring something to the table have better chances than men who don't isn't dishonesty. It's an expression of likelihood, not a declaration that there will never be exceptions. False binaries are exhausting and childish.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/26 02:30 PM
1	"Hot guys be assholes to women!" Well that ain't you Nobody has "hard stop standards." Research indicates that men and women make exceptions to their preferences with the same frequency. Women value stability over looks, and men value looks over stability, but everyone is flexible in the end. The point is that, if you still truly believe that being attractive would allow you to be an ass and still have awesome relationships... So what? You aren't, so you can't, so let it go and work on something else.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/26 02:12 PM
1	"Hot guys be assholes to women!" Well that ain't you Yep. Bc a random bear in the woods has a lower statistical risk than a random man, is predictable in behavior, doesn't see ppl as prey, has a 0% chance of enacting sexual harm, and doesn't come with the victim blaming afterward. The mistake many men make is assuming they're the guy in the woods. Thinking of themselves as the guy waiting at home for their wife/daughter/mom to finish her hike puts a different perspective on things. Most men do not trust random men to be alone and isolated with wom…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/26 01:59 PM
1	"Hot guys be assholes to women!" Well that ain't you Character and morality doesn't have the importance blue pillers claim until much further stages of a relationship. Gotta decide what success is. I, for example, don't think that going on a date with someone incompatible is success. I think it's a waste of time and resources. Like going for an interview for a job you know you won't get. If going on that date is success, then effective strategies are short-term and frequently self-defeating in the end. Like lying on a resume. If having a successfu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/26 01:50 PM
-1	What Is the cause for lack of empathy for men's dating problems? Women can empathize. They just can't fix men's issues for them, or protect them from natural consequences. When men claim to receive no empathy, that's what they frequently mean. Not that no one feels empathy, but that nothing changes as a result of that empathy. Women can empathize. They just aren't a never-ending font of emotional bandwidth. They need internal resources for themselves and their loved ones, and cannot afford to burn out. Think spoon theory. Limited resources mean triage. Women …	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/26 01:35 PM
1	What Is the cause for lack of empathy for men's dating problems? Women are never single, they're absolutely NOT fine being single. Women are choosing to remain single in increasing numbers. If they weren't, straight men wouldn't be single in increasing numbers. They'd be with those women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/26 12:46 PM
1	What Is the cause for lack of empathy for men's dating problems? That claim doesn't bear out in research. Appearance is lower on the list of women's priorities than it is on men's priorities. (Women make exceptions to their preferences at the same rate that men do, as well. Just ftr.) The part that makes it misogynistic is that it's not supported, but the idea that women could be different from men in this benign way isn't acceptable. The way men operate must be the default for humans and, if women say otherwise, they're lying. That's the misogyny.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/26 12:32 PM
5	There should be female only draft. Good women do have character, just like good men do. All good ppl have character. Given that you heard, "women are also humans and are equal," and went straight to, "then I can harm them, right? I wanna harm them. If I'm not superior, I want them to come to harm," is indicative of a deficit. It's not normal for a person to think that way. Whether you need different role models, more life experience, therapy, medication... Idk. But something is wrong, and you deserve to live as well as you can, a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/26 12:11 PM
6	There should be female only draft. What reward would you get from being a real man? Why do you need a cookie to persuade you to have character? Being a good person isn't valuable in itself? shenanigans Ew. I don't even wanna know.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/26 11:49 AM
13	There should be female only draft. There's a certain kind of guy who hears, "women are equal to men," and goes straight to, "then I can physically harm them, right? I wanna physically harm them."	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/26 11:47 AM
9	There should be female only draft. Nothing says "real man" quite like that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/26 11:46 AM
3	There should be female only draft. Measurable bias has been nullified. Individuals still report personal bias when children are very young, but it doesn't show up in rulings. Provided that a dad is safe and stable, he has the same chances of receiving custody. The reason more men don't have custody is bc they don't want it. Only 4% of dads seek custody. Some of whom never intend to get custody. They're just doing it to scare their exes. (There are a lot of great videos of men in the FO phase, learning that child support is the ea…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/03/26 11:38 AM
–	Do woman care how many Partners a Men had before? Nope. My only concerns are safety, limits, expectations, and honesty.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/03/26 11:54 PM
-2	Men are smarter than women...only until we talk about men manipulating women and taking responsibility If the point was simply “abusive men are responsible for their behavior,” there’s no disagreement I disagree. Recent posts, including this one, have been full of victim-blaming - moving responsibility away from the offender and onto the target. Victims of all types are sacrificed to protect offenders from accountability all the time. The fact that you and I know that it's wrong doesn't make it inconsequential. Abuse is widely condemned and people who commit it are held accountable socially and l…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/03/26 07:52 PM
–	Actual good men would understand abuse and abuse victims instead of victim blaming. Not very well, as shown by the prevalence of mistakes How many instances of abuse are avoided? If you go up and down stairs every day, and fall a few times, do you suck at stairs? inaccurate to the intent of the statements, You didn't make the statement I dug into. I started with victim blaming, and traced it back to the underlying beliefs and thoughts that lead to it. I clearly framed it as a third party. Since it wasn't your statement, there's no way for you to claim intent. Not that it matter…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/03/26 12:52 PM
–	Actual good men would understand abuse and abuse victims instead of victim blaming. Should a victim not learn for next time? "A plumber shouldn't administer chemo." "So should they just not get chemo?" We have no place in that process. What's the priority here? Is it more important for their healing to be safe and productive? Or is it more important that we're the ones in charge of it?	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/03/26 05:38 AM
–	Actual good men would understand abuse and abuse victims instead of victim blaming. The objective reality is that some people are bad and effort should be taken to avoid them. That's why women are taught about red flags and autonomy. It's not why women are confronted after being harmed and told that they should've prevented it. Different actions, different motivations. You're drawing a whole bunch of additional conclusions that are not being stated. Logical inference is an important skill. Statements aren't made in a vacuum. They're based on a person's beliefs, thought processe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/03/26 04:44 AM
–	Actual good men would understand abuse and abuse victims instead of victim blaming. No, they aren't. Victim-blaming helps offenders. Always has. Could be just an accident, except... By admitting that they think victims deserve their abuse, they're admitting that they think abuse can be an acceptable consequence. Abuse, in their minds, isn't an evil to be eradicated, or a social problem to be solved. It's a punishment that has its place. Logically, the behavior that's actually bad is whatever she's doing to get that punishment. Her behavior is the thing that needs to be addresse…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/03/26 03:06 AM
–	Actual good men would understand abuse and abuse victims instead of victim blaming. Objectively, does this uncertainty then mean a victim should be encouraged to stay? Additionally, due to this uncertainty only a qualified mental health professional can encourage and support a victim to leave? Nope. It does mean we should encourage them to get the support needed to make it as safe as possible. We need to know our limits and prioritize their wellbeing. Importantly, that's not what we're discussing. Your suggestion is to give someone who's been abused a list of their perceived fa…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/03/26 12:58 AM
1	The pro-choice argument and the forced paternity argument are the same argument Comparing the two is bunk bc it's in bad faith. Reproductive choice is completely unrelated. It's a different kind of issue, for different reasons. It only gets pulled in bc it's a human rights issue. The urgency and weight we place on human rights issues are being co-opted to push ppl toward a similar-looking stance on a very different issue. Like if I took an argument against putting ppl in cages, and tried to apply it to dog boarding facilities. They aren't the same, and I know that. I'm just…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/03/26 11:06 PM
11	Why does it seem men judged more for being insecure than women are? I'm not confident that you're comparing apples to apples. Do you have any examples with more detail? How is the insecurity manifesting for each?	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/03/26 09:53 PM
2	Why does it seem men judged more for being insecure than women are? He absolutely can lose a lot. Whether or not he will is a different question. Statistically speaking, she's not leaving him. He'll keep her income, domestic labor, and co-parenting, along with the social benefits of being married. She'll help him keep it under wraps. The ppl who do find out are likely to judge his affair partner more harshly than they judge him. He's less likely to be ostracized, seen as less trustworthy in the workplace, etc. If he thinks he can smooth it over with most ppl, as…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/03/26 09:48 PM
1	Actual good men would understand abuse and abuse victims instead of victim blaming. the earliest possible point when and where they could have and should have left the abusive situation? The "could" and "should"! We knew they were in there... We have no idea when that was. There is no way for us to know. All we can do is mull over idealized possibilities. If we pulled out a time machine, and sent her back to leave when we decide she "should've," there's a good chance she'd be murdered. Or SAd, resulting in a pregnancy that ensured she could never be free of him. Or beaten into …	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/03/26 12:44 PM
1	Actual good men would understand abuse and abuse victims instead of victim blaming. Women are functionning adults and have all the brainpower to question any precept that had been feed to them, just like men. That doesn't mean it's a magical process. Men are told not to show emotion from childhood, and are punished socially for doing it. Do we pretend that doesn't matter, and just demand that they immediately start being vulnerable? Of course not. We recognize that it's lifelong work that's best done with help. It's not helpful at all to see a man who was withdrawn yesterday an…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/03/26 08:28 PM
1	Actual good men would understand abuse and abuse victims instead of victim blaming. Fuck no, that the complete opposite It's the narrative. It doesn't matter if you or I agree with it. It's what women hear from childhood. It's what we hear on this sub every day. There's no magic way to remove what's been crammed into your skull since you were a toddler. Expecting it of others is equally unreasonable. But the narrative that a perfect man turns progressively into an abuser is very exaggerated. There's no such thing as a perfect man. Every man has red flags. All of them. Men do no…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/03/26 04:01 PM
1	Actual good men would understand abuse and abuse victims instead of victim blaming. It is not an implication to focus directly on objective fact. Nor were the terms ‘should’ or ‘could’ used. The term used was opportunity. What do you mean by, "opportunity"? Something she couldn't have done? Something she shouldn't have done? Come on. There's no reason to say, "she had the opportunity to run on this day," unless it has meaning. The meaning is that she could've and should've. Professional help This isn't professional help. We aren't professionals. You wouldn't drop peanuts into s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/03/26 12:48 PM
1	Actual good men would understand abuse and abuse victims instead of victim blaming. Saying that woman should avoid men showing obvious red flag doesn't mean that she should give any creepy dude a chance I think you misunderstood what I said. The narrative is that women should ignore the red flags they see. They cannot ignore the red flags, while also leaving/rejecting bc of those red flags. Dating is a whole different thing, you're not in alert mode when you are dating (or you are doing it wrong) The process of creating and revising maps of ppl and situations never stops. Abuse…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/03/26 11:53 AM
0	Actual good men would understand abuse and abuse victims instead of victim blaming. Support is like a splint. It helps things heal as well as they can. It's apparent in your speech that it's still very raw and open for you. I recognize your vulnerability, and I wish you nothing but the best.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/03/26 07:54 PM
1	Actual good men would understand abuse and abuse victims instead of victim blaming. Nope. More like... Women are like, "This whole picture is creeping me out. I'm gonna say no thanks." And men are like, "Pff, he's just a dude being a bro. You're just bitter and taking it out on him. You owe him a chance." And then women are like, "Ok, I stuffed down that gut feeling and defended dating him to everyone I know, so now I'm invested. He's just misunderstood, and needs a good woman in his life." And men are like, "Nah, he lied just now. You should've chosen better."	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/03/26 07:44 PM
1	Actual good men would understand abuse and abuse victims instead of victim blaming. Copy-paste... The research indicates it's not about effort or focus. Women have higher levels of suspicion. It's not that they aren't looking for lies. It's that they cannot identify the lies like men can.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/03/26 07:17 PM
1	Actual good men would understand abuse and abuse victims instead of victim blaming. They both agree that it's not that big a deal and the victim deserved it. If they can agree on that, how wide is the space between them, really?	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/03/26 06:39 PM
1	Actual good men would understand abuse and abuse victims instead of victim blaming. Do you have some data or publication on that? Off the top of my head, there's a meta analysis from 2019 that's a good place to start. Pretty sure it comes up if you search something like, "do men lie more than women?" Men are pushing women to choose against women's instinct? How so? By pushing narratives that devalue it. For example, insisting that men who are being clocked as creepy or sketchy are all just awkward and deserve "a chance." Or that a woman can't or shouldn't reject a man unless sh…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/03/26 06:35 PM
0	Actual good men would understand abuse and abuse victims instead of victim blaming. For instance to point out all the opportunities an individual had to end the relationship? Is not victim blaming, but beneficial information towards moving forward. The implication that she should've prevented her victimization by getting out of the way is victim blaming. It's saying that it was her responsibility to make sure his choices were null by removing the target, rather than it being his responsibility to not choose harm. This is the process of Therapy Therapy is something she gets to u…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/03/26 05:07 PM
1	Actual good men would understand abuse and abuse victims instead of victim blaming. "Intuition" is just the brain making sense of nonverbal cues. There's some interesting research indicating that women are better at spotting nonverbal cues, and that it makes them better at detecting traits that are associated with a tendency toward dishonesty. Men, on the other hand, are not as suspicious as women are, but are better at picking out individual lies. Which may be intertwined with the finding that men are more convincing liars and more likely to lie in general situations. (Less ou…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/03/26 04:31 PM
1	Actual good men would understand abuse and abuse victims instead of victim blaming. Women are basically trying to figure out if someone has the "vibes" of a liar while men are trying to figure out if someone actually lied. The research indicates it's not about effort or focus. Women have higher levels of suspicion. It's not that they aren't looking for lies. It's that they cannot identify the lies like men can. you're going to have a LOT of false positives Them's the breaks. If I give you half of the info, you don't get to use the other half. Only what you have. Fortunately, no…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/03/26 04:15 PM
0	Actual good men would understand abuse and abuse victims instead of victim blaming. Do you think that there was nothing in that man behavior that this women could have spotted? There are some issues in there. Firstly, there's the way abuse and assault affects a person. Child abuse changes the way the brain forms, physically. Sexual harm is uniquely damaging - moreso than active combat and near-death experiences. IPV has its own set of individual effects. The way that a person is changed bc of someone else's actions is not that person's fault. Those changes work to abusers' adva…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/03/26 03:54 PM
-1	Actual good men would understand abuse and abuse victims instead of victim blaming. Research indicates we see different red flags. Women are better at picking up on nonverbal cues that indicate a tendency toward deception, while men are better at picking out specific lies. Men are better liars, and more likely to lie in general, which may contribute to their ability to see specific lies. At the same time, we're all under social pressures. They result in men displaying nonverbal red flags that they don't see in themselves or one another. And in women being pressured to ignore no…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/03/26 01:32 PM
-1	Actual good men would understand abuse and abuse victims instead of victim blaming. The research on lying is weird. Women are more suspicious and are able to pick up on nonverbal cues that indicate a tendency toward deception. So they're more likely to see a person as shady. But men are better at picking out specific lies. Possibly bc men are better liars and more likely to lie in general. Mix that disparity into the current socialization pressure - for men to lie to get dates, and for women to stop "being judgemental" and give men "a chance" - and we get a really unbalanced si…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/03/26 12:44 PM
2	Actual good men would understand abuse and abuse victims instead of victim blaming. I'm very sorry that you experienced that. Men and boys who are abused do not receive the support they deserve, for so many reasons that are not their responsibility. It's wrong. I hope that you're able to find healing and move forward.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/03/26 12:23 PM
1	What female-primary behaviors do you actually think are unjustifiable? Pretty sure it's up to OP to find a response to be helpful for their purposes or not. Appreciate your take.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/03/26 02:05 PM
2	What female-primary behaviors do you actually think are unjustifiable? 56% of child abuse convictions are women. Granted, it's a skewed number, bc women tend to be primary caregivers, but it's still indicative of an issue. Things like bigotry manifest for women differently - like weaponized white femininity, which I maybe should've said by name. Women are also more likely to commit "minor" violence in IPV cases.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/03/26 11:37 AM
0	What female-primary behaviors do you actually think are unjustifiable? Abuse/neglect, SA, reproductive coercion, bigotry, most forms of violence, willful ignorance, knowingly spreading toxic femininity/masculinity...	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/03/26 12:12 AM
2	What female-primary behaviors do you actually think are unjustifiable? Are you aware that talking about sex isn't the same as elevating sex to "need" status?	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/03/26 12:10 AM
3	What female-primary behaviors do you actually think are unjustifiable? As long as women are being forced into pregnancy and birth, the ability to protect themselves is essential. Don't want a bunch of pregnancies and STIs in middle school? Condoms and comprehensive education. Literally nothing else works. Olympic condoms are souvenirs. Fathers aren't expected to give up privacy, or sex.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/03/26 11:59 PM
7	What female-primary behaviors do you actually think are unjustifiable? On demand with no dumb hoops, and universally covered.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/03/26 11:50 PM
25	Blue Pill is an ideology and actually very delusional. It's like when religious ppl try to make atheism a stand-alone thing. It's just, "not with these guys," but that doesn't provide enough of a target.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/03/26 01:35 PM
–	If hypergamy is real why do you think that listening to men is useful? Can you give an example of this? Do you actually think that men have supported women out of the goodness of their hearts? Feminism has been an exercise in making men uncomfortable enough to concede. If they think they've been mistreated To a privileged group, equality often feels like oppression. men alone have the ability to change their circumstances And they aren't doing it... Why? There's no excuse.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/03/26 06:00 PM
1	Women have far too much of an in-group bias to ever have fair discourse It's not an argument at all. It's pointing out that they're misinterpreting the evidence they're giving. So they need different evidence to support their argument. You're making a lot of assumptions.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/03/26 03:59 PM
1	Women have far too much of an in-group bias to ever have fair discourse You can't make a statement about male female relations and then say females aren't being mentioned. "When mom yells at kid, it's bc kid's talking, and mom hates talking. That supports my argument." "Mom is actually yelling bc kid is talking in a rude way. The rudeness is the problem, not the talking. So it doesn't support your argument like you think it does." "Well, what about when mom is rude? Hmm?" See how the first two statements form a conversation about the specific behavior that kid is be…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/03/26 03:32 PM
1	Women have far too much of an in-group bias to ever have fair discourse the behavior you are ascribing to men In this instance, we're talking about women criticizing men for p&d. OP made the statement that the criticism is based on the fact that the man is having sex. I stated that the criticism is based on the other behaviors, not the sex itself. Women aren't being discussed in that paragraph, bc the topic of the paragraph is criticism of the behavior of a man. Specifically, which behavior is being criticized. Inserting A into a discussion about B in a way that att…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/03/26 03:05 PM
2	Women have far too much of an in-group bias to ever have fair discourse Flag on the play. Whataboutism. 15 yard penalty.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/03/26 02:46 PM
3	Would you leave someone that you permanently lost your attraction for? I don't see myself losing attraction to someone just bc their body changes... The sexiest thing about a partner's body is that it's theirs. Even if we can't have sex in a way that's best for me, we can still have intimacy, and I can take care of that part myself. I mean, it would definitely be a difficult adjustment. I just don't see it being a deal-breaker. If they became a racist or something, I'd def lose attraction. And I'd leave. But I don't think that's what you're trying to prove.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/03/26 11:13 AM
1	If hypergamy is real why do you think that listening to men is useful? It's all about her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her Yes. What he has to offer her is about adding value to her life. Just like what she has to offer him is about adding value to his life. The idea of men as providers is strongly contradicted if men can't/won't center the ppl they're supposedly providing for while discussing the ways in which they can provide... right? That's like talking about how someone can be a good parent, then getting mad that the possible improvements all relate to their…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/26 08:47 PM
3	Do you think the number of women who preffer Big/above average genitalia (all things being equal) is propotional to the number of men with said atributes? If I'd get with a woman with small breasts, I think it would be very disrespectful for me to get some realistic "big boobs" toy, or to ask her to wear prosthetic boobs from time to time. Depends on who she is. They're a thing for a reason. But it's a bit more like... If you liked tf-ing, and there's not enough to push together. So, as a couple, you might get a sleeve to hold there. Approximate the feeling with a little creativity, bc you wanna have that experience with her. if she "wants big fro…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/26 05:31 PM
8	Do you think the number of women who preffer Big/above average genitalia (all things being equal) is propotional to the number of men with said atributes? That's cool. If you need to be your partner's everything in the bedroom, that's not at all unreasonable. You just don't belong with someone who has incompatible needs. :)	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/26 04:08 PM
3	People belive Men have not done everything to justify hating on them Forced marriages have never been common in the West. Of course they have been. What do you think it is when a woman has to marry to be able to live? The "West" being extremely young changes the way forced marriage looks. Less physical force, more coercion. The appearance of enthusiasm isn't a reliable metric. (Child marriages in the US have the appearance of enthusiasm, due to adults convincing children to agree. Doesn't mean they're autonomous or that their "no" would be respected.) Why would t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/26 04:07 PM
16	Do you think the number of women who preffer Big/above average genitalia (all things being equal) is propotional to the number of men with said atributes? Eh, i don't know if that's good solution, but maybe it's just me The alternatives would be to go with a big guy and only be able to have sex on in a while, to go with a smaller guy and never get to go big, or to have guys of each flavor. No shame for anyone who picks any of those... But given that it's common to desire monogamy, and to eventually become resentful if something that easy to enjoy together is off the table, I'm inclined to believe that a guy who's open to adaptation has the most ad…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/26 02:37 PM
26	Do you think the number of women who preffer Big/above average genitalia (all things being equal) is propotional to the number of men with said atributes? All I can say with any level of confidence is that I think more women like the idea of a big one than the reality of it... and many of the others don't want a big experience every time, so it's more ideal to just add toys into the mix sometimes... and some actually really do want a big experience every time... and most ppl don't know where they really fall on spectrums of sexual preference until they've had some life experience.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/26 02:17 PM
7	About the chore gap, could gendered differences play into it? And what is the endgame, anyway? Preferences for their environment should be a standard considered when dating. If you aren't on the same page, that's a no. An issue I've seen in couples, just ime, has been that men don't value their own effort in the same way that they value hers. Eg. He wants the laundry done. He doesn't want it enough to do it himself. But he does want it enough to shame or nag her into doing it. Her effort is cheap. His is expensive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/26 01:57 PM
1	If hypergamy is real why do you think that listening to men is useful? None of this will happen. Men rise to the expectations set for them. Expect nothing, get nothing. Men, and men alone, always have the ability to change the world. Men are in the best position to make change. Women force change without much support from men fairly regularly, just by making it more painful to maintain the status quo than it would be to change. Really, if a group of women can make progress while pushing against the tide, what excuse can a group of men have for not making progress d…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/03/26 01:20 PM
3	Women have far too much of an in-group bias to ever have fair discourse Didn't say that at all, but you do you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/03/26 07:55 AM
2	If hypergamy is real why do you think that listening to men is useful? But what else are men to do Stop selling themselves short, for one. Men aren't just walking checkbooks. That's so dehumanizing. study, learn, adapt and apply There it is. Trying to leverage what's in the bank account is not working, no matter how hard a guy tries. Right? She doesn't need a roommate who pays the rent. Beating that dead horse is a mistake. So, he pivots. What about, idk, making her home life less burdensome? Meeting her emotional needs? Being an equal parent? Supporting her self-d…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/03/26 10:27 PM
2	If hypergamy is real why do you think that listening to men is useful? The most logical mitigation measure is for men to self-regulate their demographic. A big part of gendered violence is just that men get away with it. Not just in terms of legal consequences, but social ones. Men, as a group, really need the approval of other men. Not getting that approval is an enormous motivator. A man will avoid the Dr his whole life and die 10 yrs early just to avoid being seen as unmasculine by other men. Men have an insane amount of influence over other men. But when it com…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/03/26 09:20 PM
1	If hypergamy is real why do you think that listening to men is useful? A man maximizes himself to provide for a family. I'm afraid the issue is that that's where men stop. Having a job is not exceptional. Everyone has a job. And when that's all a man has to offer, he can be replaced with a side gig. Since women aren't going back, why wouldn't a man wanna develop traits that make him irreplaceable? To be someone she chooses to be with, not someone she has to be with? Continuing to beat the drum of "providing" isn't necessarily a bad thing... But providing financiall…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/03/26 08:57 PM
2	Men say they want “good girls” but they reward hoes Nope. You messed up. I'm sorry. Turns out the correct person was Jane, over there. You wasted your touch on someone else, and now you don't fit the requirement. So, Jane is no longer interested. Should've waited.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/03/26 08:51 PM
2	Men say they want “good girls” but they reward hoes How do you know when you've met her?	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/03/26 08:22 PM
2	Men say they want “good girls” but they reward hoes That's not what's being described. More like... You have a standard to not touch ppl, but there's also one person... you won't know when you meet them, could be anyone... and you have to touch them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/03/26 07:59 PM
3	How many of you have women in your life and would you ever tell them your views on women? From the other side, as an aside, there's a good amount of evidence that, in the US, a lot more men are lying about various negative views to get dates. Bc women are looking for someone without those views. Which is dumb, bc obv that's not gonna work out. But it does mean there's reason to be vigilant. Many ppl aren't gonna come out and insult you, but their bias against you will affect the relationship negatively.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/03/26 03:25 PM
11	Women have far too much of an in-group bias to ever have fair discourse Your second example doesn't say what you think it says. Sex positivity is about supporting choice. Sex doesn't devalue women. Wanting and enjoying sex isn't a moral failing. Virginity worship is rooted in oppression and is duumb. The way a woman uses her body isn't up for a vote. The issue with having casual sex with someone and then ghosting is the ghosting part. The implication is that she isn't aware that he's not pursuing a relationship - otherwise, she wouldn't expect a call after. The sex …	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/03/26 02:25 PM
–	Why don’t men have a body positivity movement? It's only the norm in very emotionally disturbed, dysfunctional spaces Are sports, clubs and gaming groups those kinds of spaces?	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/03/26 11:55 AM
–	Why don’t men have a body positivity movement? That's not the same as the societal undertone that an ugly woman is defective or lesser in and of itself If it were only about women, why would men apply that shame to themselves and each other, when women aren't even around?	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/03/26 11:35 AM
–	Why don’t men have a body positivity movement? Society has lower empathy for men, Do men think that "society" is just women? Men and male issues lack such support. Why don't men support them? For a body positivity movement you need some indirect, semi-gaslighting delulu, Nope. Just the message that your body doesn't define you as a person. It's doing its best to keep your organs in and let you enjoy life. That's enough. Shaming messages are just meant to make you miserable enough to spend money, and that's stupid, and you don't have to do it…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/03/26 11:31 AM
–	Why don’t men have a body positivity movement? Men don't have an intrinsic cultural connection between their value and their looks like women have and often still do. Men are constantly talking about their looks, insulting one another, insulting themselves, and hanging the entirety of their social value on their bodies. There's a huge issue with eating disorders in the gym scene. If you hold their videos up to those of pro-anorexia videos, they're the same messages. Sometimes the exact same wording. The only thing hiding the dysfunction is t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/03/26 11:21 AM
–	Why don’t men have a body positivity movement? Waiting for women to do it for them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/03/26 11:15 AM
2	Men say they want “good girls” but they reward hoes You cannot shake anyone's hand. But there's one person whose hand you must shake. How do you comply?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/26 09:25 PM
1	If women are successfully hypergamous, shouldn’t men be upset and demand action from/against the few men benefitting rather than the multitude of women? You used the word "thrive." That's doing well. I wouldn't say a man who has to service soldiers, or remove himself from society and submit to a variety of abuses, to not starve is thriving. Idk that I'd call Joan's life "doing well," and I would call her famous, but we can agree to disagree. Did you have any books or researcher names or anything for common women?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/26 08:55 PM
1	If women are successfully hypergamous, shouldn’t men be upset and demand action from/against the few men benefitting rather than the multitude of women? I'd love to hear historical accounts of significant amounts of peasants and commoners and whatnot doing well without marrying, becoming sex workers, or joining convents. Where do you recommend I start my research?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/26 07:44 PM
1	Bad men are not analogous to the weather Would it be a mild inconvenience if a strange man caressed your back, near your buttocks? Akin to dropping a pen, or accidentally closing a tab you didn't mean to close?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/26 06:44 PM
1	Bad men are not analogous to the weather Would you allow a man to do it?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/26 06:39 PM
1	If women are successfully hypergamous, shouldn’t men be upset and demand action from/against the few men benefitting rather than the multitude of women? Basic skills are things like washing dishes, doing laundry, being punctual... You're adding in specific skills that aren't needed for daily life, and are only needed for a career if the career is that specific thing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/26 06:38 PM
1	If women are successfully hypergamous, shouldn’t men be upset and demand action from/against the few men benefitting rather than the multitude of women? First, there's no such thing as trade school anymore. There's one about 20 mins from my house. I drove past it yesterday to get groceries. Your point makes zero sense. What is nonsensical about hiring qualified ppl to do things we aren't qualified to do? if someone refuses to learn anything, thats okay. It's impossible for an individual to learn all skills. It takes time and practice to learn a skill and, depending on the level of skill, an instructor. Watching a YT video or winging it bc of ego…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/26 06:07 PM
1	Bad men are not analogous to the weather Research is $35/hr with a 2 hr minimum. If you're too lazy to google, I'm happy to do it for you. Venmo or PayPal? Would you be ok with a strange man caressing the small of your back? Is your body public property for him to enjoy touching on his terms?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/26 05:32 PM
0	Bad men are not analogous to the weather Earlier today I saw someone justifying the assault of an underage girl bc she was dressing "like an adult." The girl who was represented in the Steubenville case was called a "seductress" by the NYT. Another Times article accuses middle-aged women of being "too quick to shame men" for doing gross things like "putting his hand on the small if your back," as a stranger. The old accusation that it's not a bad thing unless she has a bad attitude, which makes her responsible for her victim status. Th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/26 05:01 PM
2	Society and weak men stroke women's egos for simply just existing, which makes many of them entitled and self centered. Are you disputing that paying for dates and such is a traditional expectation of men? Extremely simple yes or no question. It has been a historical norm. Which doesn't make it masculine. Are you disputing that it's very common for women to want and prefer men who fulfill this traditional expectation? Depending on which survey you like, 50-65% of women prefer it on the first date. Those women do prefer it, at least on the first date. If it's that easy, why not do it yourself? I do, when I collect…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/26 04:11 PM
1	Society and weak men stroke women's egos for simply just existing, which makes many of them entitled and self centered. I'm not sure I understand your point here. That it's disingenuous to say that generosity is masculine and that paying someone's admission to something that you invited them to is generosity (it's just manners). What was the objective test used to measure altruism? I charge $35/hr with a 2-hr minimum for research in casual settings. Ppl who won't do the easy part of finding the sources def won't do the hard part of vetting and evaluating the sources, so the only reason to put in more effort than …	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/26 03:02 PM
0	Bad men are not analogous to the weather In developed countries in which a woman SAing a man isn't classified as rape, it's still a crime. It's classified as sexual abuse (as in the UK), or as a violent crime, and can be prosecuted. Would you agree?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/26 01:58 PM
-1	Bad men are not analogous to the weather Yep. Can't drink around men, go places alone, take night classes, let a guy drive on the date, wear normal clothes... The first question is always, "what did she do?" To see if she's earned the right to be victimized.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/26 01:47 PM
1	If women are successfully hypergamous, shouldn’t men be upset and demand action from/against the few men benefitting rather than the multitude of women? Are you talking about famous women?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/26 01:43 PM
1	If women are successfully hypergamous, shouldn’t men be upset and demand action from/against the few men benefitting rather than the multitude of women? I keep tarantulas. They're awesome.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/26 01:43 PM
0	If women are successfully hypergamous, shouldn’t men be upset and demand action from/against the few men benefitting rather than the multitude of women? the government effectively filling in for men in the household It's more like qualified ppl filling in for unqualified ppl. If a man hasn't gone to trade school, he isn't imbued at the wedding with some mystical knowledge and ability that makes it unnecessary to call someone who has when the need arises. (Tho, if a husband has an issue with destructive pride, he may refuse to call a professional. Not the same thing as not needing to.)	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/26 01:39 PM
1	Normal adults accept that their fantasies will rarely become reality. How do we get from, "you should figure out your priorities and go for your goals," and, "you will almost certainly date at some point," to, "so you don't think there are any issues?"	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/26 11:56 PM
0	Normal adults accept that their fantasies will rarely become reality. Nope. The process was much more compressed 20 yrs ago. It was all, "hurry up and find someone, now, now, now, if you aren't married by 20, you'll die." Nowadays, more than 50% of single men and 65% of single women under 30 aren't even trying to date. Just living their lives. That pushes a significant portion of the dating phase into the 30s, or later.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/26 10:59 PM
0	Normal adults accept that their fantasies will rarely become reality. Not sure where that's coming from...	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/26 10:49 PM
0	If attractive men use women as disposable with all that entails simply because they have options, then logically any man who will have options will behave like that, and others will just quietly want to, what makes a man a desirable to have in woman's life? Personal preference, I suppose... But it's absolutely my preference to have partners who don't just see me as the closest vulva. I'm actually a person.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/26 10:36 PM
1	Normal adults accept that their fantasies will rarely become reality. The best data we have excludes many dating men, by focusing on marriage and cohabitation. We can use those numbers with the understanding that they're a portion of the demographic we're looking for, not the entirety. Per the CDC, 61% of men have married at least once by 30, and 81% by 40. Per the NCFMR, 10% of men cohabitate with an unmarried partner in their 20s, 26% in their 30s, and 18% in their 40s. According to Pew's data, 24% of cohabitating couples have no desire to marry, and 35% aren't …	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/26 10:03 PM
5	Society and weak men stroke women's egos for simply just existing, which makes many of them entitled and self centered. Certainly in the narrow sense of paying for dates and such, it's been that way for as long as I can remember. That doesn't make generosity masculine. It's not really even generous to pay someone's way when you invite them to do something with you. It's just good manners. When you throw a party and send out invitations, you don't charge at the door. Based on self-reporting? Or actual objective tests? An aggregate of 22 studies with varying methods came out of Yale a couple yrs ago. Do you think t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/26 09:11 PM
1	Normal adults accept that their fantasies will rarely become reality. the problem is with them, not you It's not different for men who prefer to split costs. A lot of women want to split costs. It takes away the pressure to have sex as repayment. In the same way that ppl who don't like my piercings are free to choose to not be my friend, ppl who don't wanna split costs are free to not date someone who does. Nobody's doing anything wrong. Just making their own choices. The way men have to bear the majority of the burden at the initial stages of dating is problemati…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/26 04:34 PM
0	Normal adults accept that their fantasies will rarely become reality. Opportunity is a function of circumstance. A lot of things have to line up for that to happen. She has to be into men, local, single, looking, looking in the same place/way he is so they aren't just passing each other, and interested. Leaving it at that gives the maximum number of opportunities bc it includes incompatible ppl. Adding compatibility to the list of requirements gives a much lower number of opportunities bc it excludes incompatible ppl. Dating is fun, and if going on dates is the go…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/26 04:17 PM
2	A lot of guys here endlessly whine about dating, but only give the most lukewarm effort into actually doing it a friendship does not fill the role of a relationship Beans are a poor substitute for steak, but if you're not gonna pay for steak, you're not gonna have steak. That's it. Period. Steak is off the menu if you're not willing to pay for it. Doesn't feel awesome, necessarily, even tho it's a choice. But we're all adults. Adulthood means self-regulation. We gripe, then move on to other things. I don't understand what anyone expects to gain from sitting in the meat dept and sobbing. Luckily, we don’t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/26 03:42 PM
0	Normal adults accept that their fantasies will rarely become reality. You're putting the choice in the wrong place. If a man doesn't wanna pay, he can't be forced to. The only thing that's reasonably expected is that he be up-front about it. Having the ability to choose X isn't at all a guarantee that it won't have any effects on your social life. I get to choose to have piercings. Not everybody wants to be my friend, bc I have piercings. As long as they're not punishing me with harassment, etc, nobody's doing anything wrong.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/26 02:55 PM
0	Normal adults accept that their fantasies will rarely become reality. Choice isn't a finite resource. One person doesn't have to be subjugated to free another. That's silly.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/26 02:26 PM
2	A lot of guys here endlessly whine about dating, but only give the most lukewarm effort into actually doing it This is just splitting hairs. No, it's not. A relationship is a form of companionship Yes, and it's not the only form of companionship. That's like saying that I have to eat outrageously expensive steak, bc I need protein. Either the steak is worth the price, or I need to stop looking at the steak and start looking at other protein sources. you have to be alone to be lonely. Ooh I never get to quote Lord Byron! "I stood among them, but not of them; in a shroud of thoughts which were not their th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/26 02:21 PM
8	Society and weak men stroke women's egos for simply just existing, which makes many of them entitled and self centered. Breasts and vulvas respond to suction just as much as penises and testes. (Obligatory everyone has preferences)	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/26 02:04 PM
-1	Normal adults accept that their fantasies will rarely become reality. Feminism is about preserving individual choice, not just pointing the same force at a different group.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/26 01:49 PM
13	Society and weak men stroke women's egos for simply just existing, which makes many of them entitled and self centered. Omg you are not helping your case. There absolutely is suction involved in other forms of sexual oral contact.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/26 01:42 PM
2	A lot of guys here endlessly whine about dating, but only give the most lukewarm effort into actually doing it Humans are social animals hardwired to want companionship and community. Neither of which require a relationship. If a relationship isn't worth the effort, but companionship is required, then there's some form of companionship that takes less effort, for which the investment pays off. Only people with dark triad neurological disorders are not distressed from being alone. Alone isn't the same as lonely.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/26 01:41 PM
12	Society and weak men stroke women's egos for simply just existing, which makes many of them entitled and self centered. "What is there to suck," displays ignorance of oral sex other than fellatio.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/26 01:39 PM
1	Normal adults accept that their fantasies will rarely become reality. Yeah you can do that but you are gonna reduce your already limited dating pool even further. Gotta decide what's more important. To have as many dates as you can, or to have compatibility. To have as many dates as you can, you have to refrain from being discerning. To focus on compatibility, you have to accept having fewer dates. It's one or the other.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/26 01:37 PM
3	Society and weak men stroke women's egos for simply just existing, which makes many of them entitled and self centered. It might be more accurate to say that men believe they're worse than women, and therefore need to tear women down to make things more comfortable.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/26 01:19 PM
10	Society and weak men stroke women's egos for simply just existing, which makes many of them entitled and self centered. valued masculine qualities (such as generosity) When did generosity become masculine? Women score higher in measures of altruism. If she expects me to do traditionally male tasks, such as moving heavy(ish) objects, why doesn't it occur to her that she should do traditionally female tasks such as clearing dishes? How come masculine tasks are the ones that are done very rarely, and feminine tasks are the ones that are done every day?	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/26 01:10 PM
13	Society and weak men stroke women's egos for simply just existing, which makes many of them entitled and self centered. First of all, what would a man need to suck in relation to a woman? I wouldn't admit I'm that bad at sex under torture.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/26 01:02 PM
6	If attractive men use women as disposable with all that entails simply because they have options, then logically any man who will have options will behave like that, and others will just quietly want to, what makes a man a desirable to have in woman's life? You've made up a strawman to argue against. Dude, we see it all the time on here. your brain literally changes once you become a guy that has options. Do those changes show up on an EKG or an MRI?	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/26 12:55 PM
4	If attractive men use women as disposable with all that entails simply because they have options, then logically any man who will have options will behave like that, and others will just quietly want to, what makes a man a desirable to have in woman's life? you're not after a sex toy, you're after an emotional support prop. Or, hear me out, someone who doesn't see his partner as interchangeable with other ppl, bc he actually sees a person, and not an object.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/26 12:48 PM
2	Men say they want “good girls” but they reward hoes I never said it was fair, nice, or reasonable, but it is the truth for many. At least you're aware that it's an impossible standard.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/26 12:39 PM
3	Men say they want “good girls” but they reward hoes waiting for trust is fine they don't want to wait If men aren't interested in waiting, then waiting is not fine.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/26 12:37 PM
2	Men say they want “good girls” but they reward hoes Yes they are. Having a consistent standard, but also not having that standard consistently, is not possible.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/26 12:35 PM
1	How could woman dating experience become better? It genuinely takes a lot to be able to hear criticism of/criticize our own demographics. Thank you for that. I was a server some yrs ago, and I once overheard a guy tell his creepy friend to leave their waitress alone. I know it was just a little thing, but I got choked up and had to sit in the walk-in for a min. I'm js, if you start feeling like those little things don't matter, they really do.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/02/26 08:22 PM
14	Men say they want “good girls” but they reward hoes an idealized version of romance that I saw on my favorite YA romance book. This just in, having someone like you enough to wait until you trust each other to have sex is an idealized version of romance. "girl that offer nothing but demands a relationship upfront" Also, building a relationship is nothing. Only sex is effort. The guys are not ok.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/02/26 08:14 PM
2	Men say they want “good girls” but they reward hoes Sorting the wheat from the chaff is what I was trying to give advice on. Your comment was that women are just like men. That's not advice at all.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/02/26 08:08 PM
9	Men say they want “good girls” but they reward hoes what would you advise? For women to protect themselves, regardless of whether or not it's convenient for men. to never chance love, chance intimacy, chance relationships? None of those things are sex. Most men, whether they are serious or not, will not stick around for months without feeling like they are being either used, or not taken seriously. If he has to get it wet within a few weeks, he's not serious. If he has a problem with the fact that she's not ready when he is, he doesn't respect he…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/02/26 08:06 PM
3	Men say they want “good girls” but they reward hoes What you're talking about in your example isn't reality, it's fantasy It is reality, insofar as a man will judge an actual living woman by those unrealistic standards. Frequently to the point of pressuring her to have sex - thus getting both, whether he intends to stay or not. The standard of a decent guy with an earring isn't unrealistic. She's just not clear on how to sort the wheat from the chaff.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/02/26 07:13 PM
5	Men say they want “good girls” but they reward hoes Can't make a blanket statement that it's always under false pretenses.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/02/26 07:07 PM
10	Men say they want “good girls” but they reward hoes How many want the bad boy that will be golden, but only for them? The "bad boy" character in fiction isn't actually a shitty man. His appeal is in his adventurousness, nonconformity, confidence, etc. The trope of being soft with her alone is symbolic of being able to take off a fake persona with a trusted partner. Many immature women date dangerous men, thinking they won't get hurt. It frequently takes time to differentiate fact from fantasy. They don't actually want an abuser. They want a guy w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/02/26 07:00 PM
15	Men say they want “good girls” but they reward hoes You shouldn't need to hold out for more than a couple weeks max (assuming you're seeing them fairly regularly) to get a decent read on a person. The avg time for an abusive man's red flags to show is a matter of months, not weeks. In some cases, it takes yrs. And if those tendencies can be hidden that long, negative tendencies that aren't violent certainly can. Men are more likely to lie (overall, not dating-specific), are better at it, and recognize others' lies more reliably than women. An avg…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/02/26 06:44 PM
8	Men say they want “good girls” but they reward hoes Sometimes. Sex under false pretenses is not consensual.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/02/26 06:29 PM
6	Men say they want “good girls” but they reward hoes Ofc they don't Then it's not worth the risk. Sex is a dangerous activity for women. "Come make this sacrifice for me and maybe I'll care about you later," is the worst deal.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/02/26 06:23 PM
14	Men say they want “good girls” but they reward hoes Ideally, men want a woman that's sexually available but only for them. The ol' catch 22. Don't sleep with men, make them wait, vet carefully, demand commitment first, but break every one of those rules for me.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/02/26 06:11 PM
1	A lot of guys here endlessly whine about dating, but only give the most lukewarm effort into actually doing it Assuming functional adult means independant and with a job. Having a job is just the bare minimum of adulthood. Independence includes emotional regulation, communication skills, self-esteem, healthy coping mechanisms, trauma management, practical life skills, etc. It has very little to do with your dating success. It absolutely does. And, you know, quality of life.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/02/26 05:54 PM
1	A lot of guys here endlessly whine about dating, but only give the most lukewarm effort into actually doing it Trying to compete for the victim olympics I see. Anyone who is currently not a functional adult represents a caregiving job. It is unreasonable to expect someone looking for a partner to sign up for that. Gender doesn't matter. We happen to be discussing men. There's also the people who sends conveniently of jobs applications and don't get hired no matter how hard they try. Not the same analogy, but why not pivot... A man who isn't an independent, functional adult isn't qualified. How many inter…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/02/26 04:59 PM
2	A lot of guys here endlessly whine about dating, but only give the most lukewarm effort into actually doing it most of those concepts are foreign to modern men You're telling me they didn't pay any attention to the older couples in their lives as kids and young adults? Never heard stories about ye olde dating scene? Fat people are dating, poor people are dating, people who are shy and bad dressers are dating. And if they have lasting relationships, the chances are high that they're compatible. That's the point. Women are taking compatibility seriously. Men are frequently just shrugging like it shouldn't …	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/02/26 04:47 PM
1	A lot of guys here endlessly whine about dating, but only give the most lukewarm effort into actually doing it Trying to get women to accept responsibility for them. You know how sucky employers like to complain that "nobody wants to work anymore" instead of doing literally anything to make working for them a good thing?	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/02/26 04:31 PM
1	A lot of guys here endlessly whine about dating, but only give the most lukewarm effort into actually doing it Go read the replies and come back. Spoiler: It's a lot of whining about how damaged and unequipped they are, with a side of, "there's nothing that can possibly be done, so I'm just gonna live in my emotions."	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/02/26 04:14 PM
2	A lot of guys here endlessly whine about dating, but only give the most lukewarm effort into actually doing it You represent it as something worthless or harmful to men. Therefore, it can't fall under "self-improvement," confirming your opinion that women never support men's self-improvement.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/02/26 03:33 PM
0	A lot of guys here endlessly whine about dating, but only give the most lukewarm effort into actually doing it A therapist is needed, if a person needs the help. A man who isn't doing it on his own needs the help. Would you tell someone who's failing at fixing his car, it doesn't know how, to never call a mechanic?	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/02/26 02:42 PM
1	How could woman dating experience become better? Purchase an effective self-defense device, dealer's choice. Practice with it to avoid issues in use. Familiarize themselves with local laws, and use it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/02/26 02:39 PM
1	A lot of guys here endlessly whine about dating, but only give the most lukewarm effort into actually doing it They've done nothing, and they're all out of ideas. Just wallowing in dysfunction and wondering why women aren't looking to be their lifelong caregivers.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/02/26 02:34 PM
1	A lot of guys here endlessly whine about dating, but only give the most lukewarm effort into actually doing it fundamentally broken Excuse. Therapy isn't for the "fundamentally broken." It's for anyone who could benefit from some direction in finding life tools and techniques to live well, and accountability in implementing them. If men got those tools and techniques on their own, and implemented them, they'd be emotionally intelligent, great communicators, confident, dedicated, attentive, emotionally and mentally healthy, and truly equipped to be good partners/parents. As we can all see, that's far from…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/02/26 02:32 PM
2	A lot of guys here endlessly whine about dating, but only give the most lukewarm effort into actually doing it The goal is to invest in a relationship that's the most compatible, so that part isn't more of a struggle than it has to be. Too many men have no idea what prev generations' marriages were like behind closed doors. They saw that grandpa got a wife by just being nice sometimes, and now they wanna "pay the same price" for a similar experience. But the experience sucked for grandma. If we do it the same way, we don't get to be grandpa, relaxing with coffee. We get to be grandma, waving him out of t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/02/26 02:22 PM
2	A lot of guys here endlessly whine about dating, but only give the most lukewarm effort into actually doing it Genuine question - Why don't they just go live their lives, then? If saving the effort is more desired than having a relationship, that's that. Like, it could be fun to have billions, but I'm not trying to do all that work... and I'm not obsessed over the fact that no one is giving me money for nothing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/02/26 01:57 PM
1	A lot of guys here endlessly whine about dating, but only give the most lukewarm effort into actually doing it If given a choice between a guy who drinks his feelings and a guy with healthy coping mechanisms, are you under the impression that women would have no preference? Or a guy with great communication skills, vs a guy who fluctuates between brick wall and abusive language? Or a guy who needs her to do 99% of the work for him and then cheer him on like her life depends on it to get that little sliver of effort, or a guy who's confident, attentive and dedicated?	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/02/26 01:52 PM
1	A lot of guys here endlessly whine about dating, but only give the most lukewarm effort into actually doing it As long as men overwhelmingly avoid it or go to an introductory session and then quit, and cite feeling less manly as a big reason, the idea that it doesn't/can't help is baseless. If I said my washing machine is broken, and that's why my clothes are filthy, you might have a lot of sympathy. Obv I deserve clean clothes. Everyone does. Say you then find out that I've never used it, or that I put clothes in and then took them back out bc I was told that washing is stupid and I don't wanna feel stu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/02/26 01:43 PM
–	The idea that a guy is morally obliged to date an old chick just because he’s old is regarded A man who thinks in terms of "high/low value" doesn't respect women, and frequently doesn't even like women. He's ideal, if you wanna ruin your life. Young women are inherently less adept in recognizing that - bc that comes with life experience, and time is linear. The setup is for a relationship that works for a very short time, if at all, and then becomes resentful and miserable. The only one going into it with that understanding is the man. Like a skeezy car salesman trying to fleece someone …	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/02/26 01:14 PM
0	A lot of guys here endlessly whine about dating, but only give the most lukewarm effort into actually doing it That's my policy when it comes to injuries. Drs and physical therapists can't magically unbreak my bones, just help me to heal and adapt as best as I can to improve my quality of life. Total scam.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/02/26 12:43 PM
1	A lot of guys here endlessly whine about dating, but only give the most lukewarm effort into actually doing it ANYTHING a man does to improve himself is labelled "toxic". When's the last time you heard a woman say, "I wish men wouldn't go to therapy"?	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/02/26 12:33 PM
2	Studies against Men Are Often Designed to Confirm a Narrative, Not Find Truth It's on each person to examine studies and data that are new to them. Misrepresented and misunderstood data is an issue all the way around. Headlines frequently tweak findings and (inadvertently?) change what ppl take away from studies. Plenty of studies were never peer-reviewed, or failed peer-review, and are still cited as credible. Our brains do not develop at 25. Autism is genetic. The whole "alpha wolf" thing is inaccurate. Misinformation dies hard. Self-reported data has inherent limitatio…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/02/26 02:56 PM
1	How should women “take accountability”? How do you ensure that you don't repeatedly end up with bad soda?	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/02/26 02:34 PM
3	How should women “take accountability”? It's a I Don't Desire a Police and Surveillance State for Dating Issue Uhhhh you know that's not necessary, right? Other demographics take steps to self-regulate. Men who doxx and threaten should be dealt with by the law. That's a great idea. As soon as we have a law enforcement system that's designed to hold ppl accountable, they'll get on that, I'm sure. In the meantime, we're just kinda living with it, like with SA, IPV, etc. Secondary, stuff like that Tea app should have tighter security. Do…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/02/26 12:47 AM
1	How should women “take accountability”? Because most men are not cheaters and abusers. Most sodas are fine. You just don't get to reliably avoid the bad ones, bc the labels are not trustworthy. You could be holding a good one in one hand, and a bad one in the other, and not be able to tell the difference at all. Even cracking them open isn't necessarily gonna tell you. That's the point. Most bad guys look and act exactly like all of the other guys, bc they aren't idiots. They have plausible explanations for every questionable thing, j…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/26 11:21 PM
4	How should women “take accountability”? There's only one store. (Bc there's only one pool of men: the demographic "men.")	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/26 10:04 PM
1	How should women “take accountability”? Any solution that would make them less bad is largely unreasonable. Is that a skill issue or a desire issue? By talking. Including collective reporting like gossip or group chats. We get doxxed and threatened for that. Can we get men to stop doing that, or does that fall under unfixable men? No. The issue isn't that bad men exist or that they are difficult to identify. The issue women complain about is that they date bad men. Ok, but that's kinda like someone complaining that their soda has a su…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/26 10:03 PM
3	How should women “take accountability”? I'd say that's a flawed analogy. It's more like going into the store for a soda. Big shelf of cans, all different, but same basic idea. They're all designed to look good in their own way. So you pick one with a cool label, and it tastes like clam chowder. It's whatever, you can't tell what it tastes like until you're actually in there. Anyone could make that mistake. There's another that also has a cool label, kinda similar, but it says, "new and improved." So you give it a shot. Basically carbo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/26 09:55 PM
5	How should women “take accountability”? So how do the bad men become less bad, or easier to identify? That's the issue, right? It's not like women are just screwed bc men are inherently bad.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/26 09:19 PM
10	How should women “take accountability”? How often do issues get addressed by not talking about them?	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/26 09:05 PM
1	Some men think that deconstruction of gender norms means that they should be attractive no matter what. dudes who want only sex are still wasting time and effort by pretending they want a relationship. That's like applying and interviewing just to wear a suit. most of the marriages were arranged. By whom? Men. Fathers, sometimes brothers. Women were the currency being exchanged, not a party to the agreement. Men didn't approach her father like, "I'm a nurturing man with excellent communication skills." Dad doesn't care about that. He needs a son-in-law who will bring resources to the family, work …	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/26 09:03 PM
–	Men have strong "men are wonderful" bias which makes it impossible to talk about any behavior any men display. It's not a binary between doing nothing and hating. The assumption that women who are doing something, rather than nothing, must hate the thing they're engaging with is false.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/26 06:30 PM
–	Men have strong "men are wonderful" bias which makes it impossible to talk about any behavior any men display. How on earth did you get from, "yes, it is good to hear criticism, get data, adapt and change," to, "authoritarianism is welcome"? Evel Knievel would've passed on that leap.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/26 06:26 PM
1	Some men think that deconstruction of gender norms means that they should be attractive no matter what. But X wont only get you an interview, it will get you job, obviously the job you will loose after. A couple of interviews is not the same as getting the job. Lying to get a date, for example, is like lying on a resume. The chances that you can fake it long enough to get hired are low. Either way, X is a dumb investment of time and energy. The reason is simple: men date women, not men. Much of what men still use as the sales pitch to date women comes from the time in which getting a woman require…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/26 06:23 PM
–	Men have strong "men are wonderful" bias which makes it impossible to talk about any behavior any men display. Many women will hyperfocus on sexual violence Yep. Sexual violence is uniquely psychologically damaging. While "worse" is hard to quantify, we see more severe negative outcomes in the areas of PTSD, substance abuse and suicidality in response to sexual violence than in response to other violent and near-death experiences, including long-term IPV and active combat. The legal accountability rates for offenders are so low that you're more likely to get away with SA than shoplifting. The recent publ…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/26 05:53 PM
–	Men have strong "men are wonderful" bias which makes it impossible to talk about any behavior any men display. women hate hot video game characters Women do not hate hot video game characters. The opposite of doing nothing isn't hatred.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/26 02:30 PM
–	Men have strong "men are wonderful" bias which makes it impossible to talk about any behavior any men display. You actually approve of that as a valid theoretical concept? Yep. When masculine stereotypes are taken to toxic extremes, that's an issue. Toxic masculinity is as good a name for that issue as any. Do you see any particular areas then where you as a grown woman reeeaally need a state institute to launch a campaign about changing your or other women's "attitudes" over something? Absolutely. To stay adjacent, let's go with toxic femininity. There's a problem with some women portraying formula feed…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/26 02:25 PM
–	Men have strong "men are wonderful" bias which makes it impossible to talk about any behavior any men display. But also you are a bad man if you enjoy hot video game characters. Nope. The issue isn't enjoying a video game character. It's objectification. They are two different things. How do we know if a dude has a design preference or is objectifying women? If he has a meltdown over the game adding a character with a realistic shape, claims a game is ruined if cleavage is reduced by an outfit, devolves into rants that make it clear that he expects those design elements to be reflected irl, announces tha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/26 01:22 PM
–	Men have strong "men are wonderful" bias which makes it impossible to talk about any behavior any men display. Its women who are considered wonderful, and can't do no wrong in our society. The double negative is appropriate. Men are extremely harsh toward women. Child sexual abusers, and sexual offenders overall, are given lip service, not actual accountability, regardless of gender. (Tho I haven't seen arguments that it's biological and therefore not the offender's fault when women are caught.) Women are sentenced more harshly for crimes that are seen as more masculine, like drug offenses, robbery, and …	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/26 12:33 PM
–	Men have strong "men are wonderful" bias which makes it impossible to talk about any behavior any men display. to replace it all with some idiot's idea of "healthy masculinity". Much like the OP point... Men typically can agree that toxic masculinity is toxic, when it's laid out piecemeal. Why the knee-jerk reaction to the term, and the process of eliminating that crappy stuff, when it's apparent that men aren't happy with it, either?	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/26 12:23 PM
1	Some men think that deconstruction of gender norms means that they should be attractive no matter what. And nothing that you said have anything to do with opinion of men. Society discourage men to be vulnerable, emotionally open etc. Society is just ppl. When women encourage men to do something, and other men discourage it, the actions of men indicate whose messaging they prioritize. I am not sure that very attractive men marry earlier age, pretty much most of them bachelor life as long as possible. Pretty sure that research came out of NYU. Everyone is marrying at a later age overall - I think th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/26 12:08 PM
2	Some men think that deconstruction of gender norms means that they should be attractive no matter what. Most men do not give a shit about opinion of other men. If women had as much influence on men as other men do, the bros would be flooding therapists' and doctors' offices. They'd be putting as much effort into learning to communicate and process feelings as they do into their hobbies. They'd be present, active and nurturing parents, and we would never hear them framing child support as an undue burden. They would build their own social networks, like women do. Zero men would make excuses for, or…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/02/26 12:56 AM
3	Some men think that deconstruction of gender norms means that they should be attractive no matter what. Gender norms aren't based on mutual attraction. The expectations of men have been created by other men. If you want a woman, you go to a man, and impress him. You show that you can be valuable to him. She's just the currency that he uses to secure your connection. The traits that women are drawn to, that make men good partners and parents, are just starting to matter in more egalitarian countries. And we all know how that's working out...	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/26 07:29 PM
–	Regarding "good shy guys", when you think about the world, do you feel like people are generally good or generally bad? "Good" and "bad" are choices, not intrinsic traits. Everyone is capable of both. I admit to feeling safer playing the odds with someone who's been marginalized. While that experience doesn't guarantee good choices, I feel that having it allows more informed choices, and that uninformed choices have a higher likelihood of being bad choices. As others have said, equivocating extroversion or confidence and selfishness is incorrect. They're separate traits that are linked strategically and in ignora…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/26 02:04 PM
0	Horny men pretend to care about romance so they can justify being selfish. If you aren't doing that, you're good! Do you typically have difficulty understanding whether you're part of a group being discussed or not?	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/26 01:42 PM
1	If women want to see certain changes in men, they should reward the men who embody that ideal Men are measurably quicker to judge other men for not meeting masculine stereotypes, and more harsh in their judgements, than women are. The heaviest and strongest criticism of men is not from women. A man gets ridiculed by women, because he painted his nails. And, if he's a functioning, masculine man, he keeps on painting his nails. Bc his self-worth doesn't hinge on some random woman's approval. He doesn't exist to be an appealing object for her. He respects himself bc he deserves respect, not…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/02/26 01:41 PM
3	Myron Gaines is right that Selective Service creates an unfair responsiblity balance What does an event that predates the last use of the draft have to do with the draft? That's nonsensical. The comparison I used was lawn mowing vs dishes, not being drafted vs dishes. The fact is that the draft hasn't been used in 53 yrs, isn't anticipated to be used anytime soon, if ever, and would apply to a small percentage of men if it were. That doesn't change the fact that it's unfair and should be overhauled at the very least. It does mean that the common comparisons, like the draft vs fo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/02/26 03:53 PM
4	If TRP wasn’t true, there wouldn’t be such immediate resistance to and censorship of it If the govt punishes you for the content of your message (no other laws are broken), that's censorship. And that's it. If someone doesn't let you use their property to share your message, you don't have a receptive audience, or you face appropriate social consequences, that's not censorship. Whether or not ppl buy into a claim has nothing to do with whether or not it's true, likely or constructive. It's either supported with enough quality evidence to justify it, or it isn't. A true thing that n…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/02/26 12:30 AM
3	Myron Gaines is right that Selective Service creates an unfair responsiblity balance There are requirements for the draft. They have to pass the physical standard - something the military itself estimates would disqualify almost 80% of young men - and still be fit at the end of boot camp - something that disqualifies 10-ish% of current recruits, and would certainly delay or eliminate deployment of many drafted ppl. Then there are exemptions for men whose absence would cause significant hardship to their dependents, men who've lost a parent or sibling to the military, religious l…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/26 09:57 PM
22	Myron Gaines is right that Selective Service creates an unfair responsiblity balance Four things are true. The draft is very much an unbalanced institution. The chances of being drafted are low. It's an inefficient last-resort option that many men wouldn't qualify for. The probability is so low that we're down to a 40% registry compliance rate, and nobody cares. There's a big issue with a lack of understanding of parity, leading to things like equivocating mowing the lawn 8x a yr with washing dishes 500x a yr. That makes an appearance in discussions about the draft. Men trying t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/26 06:43 PM
2	Horny men pretend to care about romance so they can justify being selfish. The bad part is lying to make it sound like you want more, with the intent of manipulating a woman who would rightfully decline if you told the truth. If you aren't doing that, you're good!	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/26 06:23 PM

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