the_ugly_truth Archive

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10	He has a DNA test to prove it's not his son, but still has to pay child support In the case of unintended pregnancies the female has a series of choices ( plan b, abortion, adoption) that the male doesn't have. This is not constitutional and nor does it satisfy a human sense of natural justice. After having his human rights violated the male is then persecuted by the state for money, threatened with prison or worse. This situation is the last remaining horrible affront to civil liberties in our society. If some choses to keep a child resulting from an unintended pregnancy t…	/r/MensRights	12/07/10 05:28 PM
0	The ladder theory is a funny, scientific explanation of how men and women are attracted to each other. It also covers such topics as why women sometimes just want to be friends but men always want sex. This is crap and, more over, contradicts the reproductive imperative. That is, all the people on earth come from a long line of reproductively successful ancestors. Women have physiologically limited reproductive potential but can win big if they have sons that are more successful. On the plains of Africa for the past 500,000 years there wasn't much money but there was plenty of intelligence and wit. When a woman meets a man, part of her is asking "Can this man give me woman killing sons?" This …	/r/MensRights	11/07/10 02:23 PM
1	"Roe v. Wade for Men" - I think this is a bad idea. Actually roe vs. wade did not say that. This is verbatim from the appellate court decision in Dubay: "Despite Dubay’s protestations to the contrary, our holding in Hedges is consistent with the right to abortion articulated by the Supreme Court in Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113, 153 (1973). The woman’s right to abortion is not solely, or even primarily, based upon her right to choose not to be a mother after engaging in consensual sexual intercourse. Rather, the right to abortion, as articulated in R…	/r/MensRights	02/09/09 12:37 AM
1	Tycoon sues his ex-wife after discovering children were not his - Times Online Ok, you're right my analogy is further flawed by the obvious fact that in the one instance the person is under a the false belief the children he lives with are his and that is not the case in the second case. Not a trivial distinction. I still think though that putting women in jail for this is too draconian. As for child support debt sending people to prison that is also too draconian. The enforcement of family law orders is so fascistic that it is entirely inconsistent with a "free" society. …	/r/MensRights	01/09/09 05:47 PM
1	Science, Sociology, and the Potential of a Male Pill If you think the fertility rate in developed countries is low now just wait until there is an effective form of male contraception similar to the pill for women. This article suggests that men wouldn't use it but I suspect many single men would jump at the chance.	/r/MensRights	01/09/09 05:11 PM
1	Tycoon sues his ex-wife after discovering children were not his - Times Online So would you also agree then that a married man who fathers a child outside of the marriage should also go to jail for fraud? Sure its not an exact analogy since that child would be supported by the other mother but that is a monetary issue that can be settled with money.	/r/MensRights	01/09/09 04:04 PM
-4	Tycoon sues his ex-wife after discovering children were not his - Times Online Felony level fraud? I don't agree. Women and men shouldn't blame each other for being what they are. Both are the product of eons of evolution. As a crude generalization men cheat promiscuously and women cheat rarely but with the intent to bear children. Its messy; on balance the harm is perhaps roughly equal. Lets not be too judgmental on either side of the great the divide. Having said that. It's also true that the human instinct for fairness demands redress in either situation. What that is w…	/r/MensRights	01/09/09 05:33 AM
1	"Roe v. Wade for Men" - I think this is a bad idea. Disallowing the women to have an abortion if she chooses is both draconian and impractical. Women can easily move jurisdictions to obtain an abortion. However "equal choice" is not impractical. If the woman chooses to keep the child the man ought to still be allow to choose to be given legal status equivalent to "as if an abortion had happened". The woman would then bear sole responsibility which is fair since it was her sole decision. In the case where the man wants the child and the woman does…	/r/MensRights	31/08/09 06:02 PM
3	"Roe v. Wade for Men" - I think this is a bad idea. So what is the status of this case now? Is it dead in the water or was there an appeal to the supreme court? It's hard to believe this case could just be dismissed without a trial of any kind. EDIT1: Checked the website reference and there is a new law suit being brought in California with a different plaintiff. Good luck to them, this situation of inequality is a horrible miscarriage of justice. EDIT2: I've read the appeal court decision and the status of this case was rejected on a series of t…	/r/MensRights	31/08/09 02:03 AM
2	A Terrible Instance of Men Being Denied Basic Human Rights That Applies to Untold Thousands of Men in North America. Well I guess we're a little off topic now. This is more about equality for men in very important aspect of their lives than it is about throwing women in jail for riding roller coasters.	/r/MensRights	29/08/09 05:13 PM
1	A Terrible Instance of Men Being Denied Basic Human Rights That Applies to Untold Thousands of Men in North America. At the time that the mother has the right to decide whether or not to become a parent there is no child whose rights need to be considered ( under canadian law this is a fact ). It's at this time that the father ought to have the same right as the woman i.e. the right, at his sole discretion, not to become a parent. The fact that the mother may produce a child later is not material to the question of equality at the time of ( and some time after ) conception.	/r/MensRights	29/08/09 05:58 AM
1	A Terrible Instance of Men Being Denied Basic Human Rights That Applies to Untold Thousands of Men in North America. I think in this instance it is actually quite easy to legislate equality. All that needs to happen is that in this case the man would have the right to have the same "force and effect" as if an abortion had taken place with respect his legal status and obligations vis a vis the child. This would be almost equivalent to the same right that the female has under the law. Forcing the woman to undergo an abortion is, I feel, too draconian but indemnifying the man who doesn't agree, might be a solutio…	/r/MensRights	29/08/09 05:20 AM
2	A Terrible Instance of Men Being Denied Basic Human Rights That Applies to Untold Thousands of Men in North America. So legal equality under the law ought to be replaced with a bidding war? Probably not the best solution though I can imagine the Ayn Rand fan club might agree with you on this.	/r/MensRights	29/08/09 05:01 AM
2	A Terrible Instance of Men Being Denied Basic Human Rights That Applies to Untold Thousands of Men in North America. Logically true but, compelling a woman to carry a child she doesn't want has been rejected by the supreme court of Canada (at least, not sure about the US). On the other hand, legal recourse to absolve the father of being a legal parent in the same situation has yet to be addressed.	/r/MensRights	29/08/09 04:57 AM
3	A Terrible Instance of Men Being Denied Basic Human Rights That Applies to Untold Thousands of Men in North America. So your view then is that, at the point of conception it is "irrevocable consent to parenthood" for the male but not for the female and that's unequal but ok?	/r/MensRights	28/08/09 10:51 PM
3	A Terrible Instance of Men Being Denied Basic Human Rights That Applies to Untold Thousands of Men in North America. So do you also then support the logically equivalent view that a man, at his sole discretion, ought to be able to compel a woman to carry a pregnancy of his to a live birth against her will?	/r/MensRights	28/08/09 09:47 PM