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Why does feminine/masculine need one set defined feature? Isn't it determined by the combination of traits, not the possession or absence of a single trait?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/16 06:36 AM
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You guys don't seem to understand that I needed a distraction from homework
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/16 04:42 PM
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Yeah I agree, I think all of the problem starts by like what you said, expecting a duck to act like a cat. They are who they are, theres nothing you can about it but accept it. With that being said, thats more of a reason not to get offended or heart broken if anytime a girl in your life does anything. It would be like getting heart broken because your dog chewed on your laptop charger. you just tell him to stop, and move on
/r/TheRedPill11/01/16 09:15 AM
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No but thats not what we're talking about here
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 11:13 PM
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I feel thats a lie, men after they jack off get mad at jacking off and decide to hate on women
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 11:06 PM
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Doing anything because a girl is hot is exactly what creates the imbalance of males and females which theredpill is against.If her being a "slut" does not have an impact in your decison to be with someone then that is pretty much saying you'll do anything for a hot women in order for her to have sex with you
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 10:58 PM
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Because when you're in the position where you can pick and choose, youre not so eager to fuck or date anybody just because shes hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 10:46 PM
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You think i'm an orbiter? Jesus christ.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 10:40 PM
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The thing is im in a long term relationship and happily am so. My problem is with red pill people in real life infecting people that women act a certain way and men should act a certain a way. Nobody in a happy relationship would agree with the red pill
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 10:37 PM
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Uh no, if your guy friend finds out you like someone and starts subtly calling her a slut and make up stories on who she slept with, obviously thats going to create some conflicting desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 06:02 PM
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Actually I only see her as a friend. Like any friend who doesn't have her shit together, I'm going to want her to get her shit together. If she doesn't, i'm not going to be crying in a corner about it
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 05:54 PM
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No, actually I primarily hung out with males. For the longest time, my guy friends were feeding me negative opinions about women until I too started having a negative opinion on women and started treating em badly . That is, until I realized I was wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 05:53 PM
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Sometimes its a way of joking, other times its a self defense mechanism in fear of other people talking shit. Aka pick on other people hoping that other people won't pick on you
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 05:29 PM
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Agreed
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 05:27 PM
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No its the fact that people place more value in certain people's opinions, or perhaps not even opinions, what people might say without even putting thought into it. Then they go, "omg women are judging me" and start thinking they are evil
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 05:26 PM
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I bet you $20 this story was 100% made up
/r/TheRedPill07/01/16 04:24 PM
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if that were true, wouldn't it be the man's fault for going after more women than neccasary?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/16 05:16 AM
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I do understand how its frustrating when you ask for advice and people just say, "just wait till it happens". But at the same time you are acting like the amount of women you have sex with determine your self worth. That seems like the real reason why you're so pissed off. And then you go out looking to get laid so that "your value" increases. It doesn't work like that. What you call a "chad" is a "chad" if he goes and pursues sex or he doesn't. I've talked to guys who I thought clearly were a w…
/r/TheRedPill04/01/16 05:10 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7SpXGz-XOc
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/16 12:56 AM
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Really? You selected a few girl songs about female empowerment when the rest are either devotional love songs or about pleasing a man
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/16 11:27 PM
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We do have to keep in mind we are immigrants coming into a European ideal society. We came due to our own choice (or parent's choice) African Americans have much more of a right to complain due to the fact that they are here not out of their choice and due to their tragic history. Both Asian/Indian/Mexican men and women cannot expect to just come to the a European based society and expect the world to adjust. The fact is, the educated European/American men and women are trying to adjust, they ar…
/r/TheRedPill03/01/16 10:44 PM
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I'm pretty sure all countries which are not isolated from global ideas would have no problem getting girls. I'm Indian living in the US, I never once felt that was an issue. It's usually tradition which prevents races from integrating with european girls/customs. The ones born and raised in America do not just hang out with their own race and have no trouble getting with any other race. It's people like you who once again create the social hierarchy and then complain after you've created it
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/16 10:01 PM
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Feminists dont use the term "Real Man"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/16 09:40 PM
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This is coming from someone who hated both english and those school those years. I think what happens is that nobody understands why they're writing or the purpose behind it, or school in general. It then becomes the groups of people who are not bothered by it whom enjoy bullshitting are the ones who then get told they are smart, because of that they believe they are smart, put the most effort in, and end up going to college. I remember elementary - highschool as a bad akward mushroom trip,and n…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/16 06:59 PM
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You know I only wrote this because coming on here made me realize just how much everyone was struggling with their love life, aspects which I took for granted. It sounded really depressing the fact that woman go for the top guys, because when there is lack of love the whole world suffers. Thus i tried to give a fun creative solution. However since everybody hates the idea, let things be the way they are. I happen to be the top 1% whom practically every woman goes for, I wouldn't mind keeping it …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/16 06:04 PM
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I think I'm used to it by now, doesnt do that much
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/16 05:51 PM
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Psychology is the study of the brain/mind, not of the soul
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/16 05:29 PM
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That's the point isn't it. No matter what angle you look at, people change for the opposite sex, its better they do that in a healthy way
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/16 05:26 PM
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You're mistaking hardships and pain as a negative influence, those arn't. If we agreed that people arn't responsible for evil, it is only negative influences. You're saying if I could prevent evil without changing a single person or by passing a single law, that would be imposing my will?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/16 05:24 PM
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10 - 12 was the age in which as I recall, me, my friends, and girls started developing crushes. I remember at age 10 being at a sleepover and talking about girls, nothing sexual of course, hell I didn't even know what sex was until a year after. I think thats why age 12 is the perfect number. While you may not go as far as to say that you will LOVE in the way we think of it at that age, I think thats when your mind is the most vulnerable to influence You become excited that you're aging and read…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/16 09:43 AM
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I didn't mean it left a life long permanent mark, but it was a negative influence regardless of how microscopic. While some forces can be more impactful than others, what is a good influence and what is a bad influence really isn't relative. Or do you disagree. If you agree, would it make sense to replace all bad influences with good influences if you had the power to do so without changing anyone? Its hard for us to always act positive because we too are the product of some negativity, but woul…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/16 09:07 AM
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For example me talking to you in a condescending tone, that was clearly a negative influence. Agreed?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/16 07:53 AM
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Okay then can we also agree that while we cannot judge people in general, we cannot say one person is better than another because each person is the outcome of influences which the person had no decision in partaking, we can clearly say that there are such things as good influences and bad influences which no human being can really be held responsible for
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/16 07:39 AM
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My entire response is based on my own thoughts and opinions, that result from (among other things) current schooling techniques - just like your post is based on your thoughts and opinions that result from the exact same thing (though with different results, obviously). I know you said you're not trying to be condescending, but what exactly makes your opinion so free from bias when we grew up in the same/similar environments? You're assuming, purely because I disagree with you, that I don't unde…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/16 07:33 AM
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Oh I just posted the last response before I read this. Sorry. Let us officially start over. Can we agree that we cannot change the nature of humanity nor genetics, but only that which has influence over us? And I know what is offensive isn't necessarily the topic but the fact that we do live in a world where people have already become who they are and we can't change that. Thats really not the issue here. Instead of feeling a bit threatened that lets say a business major may not have a place in …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/16 07:12 AM
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No it wasn't but its based on modern beliefs and customs. Our society thinks we are so "above" history and that we are all free thinkers just because women can dress in jeans. Is your response really a result of free thinking or is it a response based on modern tradition that is disguised as free thinking. I'm really not trying to be condescending here, but I really can't put up with this bias. Let us put aside all of our opinions and experience aside here, if we created an alternate Earth and w…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/16 07:10 AM
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The fact of the matter is, you're judging teachers as the way that they are as of now. You're judging people the way that they are as of now. You're judging marriage the way that it is now. you're mashing up all three of these things together and that is what's really the problem here
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/16 07:00 AM
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Forget the word "matchmaking", for this discussion we really have to put our own customs aside here. We gotta think in terms of idealism here. Would it or would it not increase one's early development and later education if the person they are going to get married to is already set and stone. If you are already married, let that person youre married to be the one that was chosen at an early age. Would that increase or decrease your education
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/16 06:56 AM
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Okay lets start over. Lets put emotions, experience, and biases aside. Can we agree that we are largely influenced by our surroundings?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/16 06:49 AM
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One more thing, its your lack of thorough response which I felt deserved such a reply. Any claim no matter how wrong it is, if well constructed deserves a good counter point. You havn't made one succesful counterpoint or even attempted to. And that is unfortunately your type of responses which does create class differences, and it is the people who then create such responses who are the ones who get angry that there is such a class difference
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/16 06:47 AM
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Sorry the intent wasn't to come off as hostile, I'm sorry if you got that impression. I meant to come off as oversmart
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/16 06:31 AM
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Oh and back to the divorce idea, I highly doubt anybody would even want a divorce. Why would you when you essentially have grown together to be what the other person needed and vica verca. The reason why divorces occur is because you choose a partner at the age of 35 and you may be on different pages in terms of goals and desires
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/16 06:29 AM
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Explain to me, what is the point of school then?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/16 06:26 AM
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Try not to be so pessimistic. I think at the age of 50 it doesn't matter what position you're at so long as you don't lose sight of self discovery. And if its lost, it can always be regained. I think we all want to magically wake up one day as a much more improved version of ourselves but realistically that is not going to happen. At the age 50, our social status is not going to drastically improve either and I think you might as well as accept it. With that being said I think there are aspects …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/16 05:52 AM
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Unless you prefer randomness to be the determine of fate and a constant burning desire for boost in social hierarchy that will always remain unfulfilled due to unlucky random circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/16 05:43 AM
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A life companion that one is destined for and never has to go through the confusion of being alone, nor be in constant state of lust for somebody else? I'd take it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/16 05:39 AM
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If you can tell me how a set of teachers and a government have similarity in agenda you'd be right. (Thought you were reffering to problems with authority not problem with choice)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/16 05:35 AM
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Thank you :)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/16 04:52 AM
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I was going to give an alternate method for that, but it was too wordy as it was. The alternate was that they do choose which. Though I think both may have equal faults. The problem with choice: *People at that age may be drawn to more superficial aspects and may be determined by lust. *People at that age may simply desire the most "attractive one", only to find that he/she is already taken. Then that person will live their life feeling like they got 2nd choice or above and that really is unfair…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/16 04:49 AM
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Btw this is the link I was referring to (Don't know how to do the link formatting)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/16 04:33 AM
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I'm not entirely sure how this is anything like 18th century marriages which were arranged soley dependant on wealth and social hierarchy
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/16 04:26 AM
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I really disagree, if anything I think they are WAY nicer to the guys they see as friends, and WAY harsher to the guys they desire to be more than friends. I think girls compensate the fact that they don't want a relationship with certain guys by being a lot more affectionate, friendlier and and supportive. Girls tend to be a lot more demanding and cruel towards the guy they have feelings for and want to make them as jealous as possible. Also the reason why you think that is because not many att…
/r/TheRedPill02/01/16 02:26 AM
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I think you've brought up a really good point on women. I think when she becomes a teen and guys starting wanting to be around her, she legitimately thinks guys just like spending time with her and likes her as a person. This makes her feel special as person and she becomes really happy with herself. She isn't really aware of the impact she has on other people. I think towards the end of high school it starts to become a realization that the people spending time with her expected something from …
/r/TheRedPill02/01/16 01:31 AM
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I've lived with men who think their emotion makes them right. Their mood swings dictate how you live your life. Some men believe their anger is righteous or that their emotional state should rule the house. Some men believe they have the right to dominate women - and they will try to force their wife/gf to live her life by his emotions. I totally agree this is wrong, men do this, and there really is no justification. If you started a post complaining that men did this, I'd certainly agree. If a …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/16 11:05 PM
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I think he really doesn't sound like he respects himself. I'm not going to go to the extreme side of things and say he should cheat on her, but I think he should he should demonstrate that he is a valuable human being whom does have the power to make a woman happy, and if she isn't showing enough effort into the marriage he should show that he's prepared to leave and go where he is more appreciated
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/16 10:49 PM
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I cannot speak for every single man, but aspects such as anger, frustration, and pride, are things which we acknowledge are bad. We most likely understand that we've did something wrong. If I were to openly believe that anger and frustration is the right way of living, I'd be along the lines of a Sith Lord. Women believe that their emotion makes them right. If they are mad about something they think they deserve to be mad and think its the man's obligation to apologize. They of course do not dir…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/16 10:06 PM
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You're right, men today are more selfish which is a character flaw. I think the difference is however, guys would acknowledge it is a character flaw. Of course the pseudo-alphas are exceptions . Most women I think actually do believe that their emotions are a relying force to determine action. Maybe they have not logically deducted it, or even know that is their point of view, but i think it is. I think the first step is to acknowledge that being selfish is not a good thing, and being emotion dr…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/16 09:17 PM
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Im talking about her in relation to someone else. If she accepted that philosophical view that is one thing, though I doubt most women do
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/16 08:58 PM
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Lets see, the girls who are in that position are constantly slut shamed from both her girl friends, guy friends, and people who hardly know em. Then they are slut shamed even more when she goes out to where she's invited, only for the guys to realize that she's not interested and not trying to have sex. Its because of this girls feel the need to be around people who give them confidence while others are calling her a slut
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/16 07:48 PM
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Most american girls are hardly racist. I think though if you surround yourself with people of similar race, there tends to be a social barrier and those types of girls probably won't notice you. I think the first step is to be around people of different ethnicities , that way the girls will feel they have some common ground with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/16 02:04 AM
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Are there people with large amounts of money who have large influence? Totally. I'm not entirely sure how that constitutes as being royalty. To be considered royalty, you'd need to be able to single handedly make a large governmental decision. NOBODY has that kind of power here in the US. Secondly, those people are mainly behind the scenes. The people in front of the scenes must have a WAY easier time picking up chicks. I doubt the people behind the scenes are going out and about picking up chic…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 08:19 PM
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And where do I find em hm?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 06:39 PM
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Hey guess what, there is no ruling class in a democracy
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 06:28 PM
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Okay as bad as that is, how is that white women's fault? I mean its really hard to sympathize when you target the entirety of white women for the suicide rate. Secondly there are many explanations as to why men kill themselves more than women. Particularly women develop more closer relations with people around them so they feel the act is selfish. Men are more likely to do something which may be an act of selfishness because they are on different empathetic levels. I really don't understand what…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 05:14 PM
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Really now? I can guarantee you if a minority was caught underaged drinking, people would feel like its okay because he/she is a minority. If a white girl was caught underaged drinking, she's now a dumb bitch with no respect. What does suicide and mortality rates have anything to do with it. And i honestly doubt if you include alcohol, videogames, cars, hobbies, women spend more than men, so you really do have to bring up the statistics here.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 08:26 AM
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Okay so you're telling me that somehow lower class people hold themselves accountable for their mistakes? If anything I think its the opposite, the middle class women who tend constantly strive towards being better citizens, its the lower class who feel like they deserve some kind of reward for being lower class. All I'm saying is whatever class you are in does not justify your behavior. First you need to show me the statistics. Secondly you have to keep in mind that men far more depend on money…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 07:59 AM
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Privilege does not increase or decrease their sense of character. I can imagine the ratio of material driven middle class men far exceeds the material driven middle class women
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 07:00 AM
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Not every girl is a whore, and many middle class white women happen to be way more spiritual and non material than many. Reguardless if privilege has anything to do with it, sense of character is judged with or without privilege
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 06:46 AM
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Well that was a huge generalization but realistically I dont think I'm reffering to every single woman
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 06:00 AM
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I think its mainly the fact that women including the ones from personal experience prioritize care over duty, whereas more men prioritize duty over care. What I mean is, a man generally is out doing his duty and doesn't put as much time questioning whether hed be happier with someone else, he's grateful he has someone to come home to. Women on the other hand (on average) put their center focus into thinking if their relationship makes her happy, if she loves him, are there relationship problems …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 05:48 AM
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The point of feminism is to enjoy the benefits of working, having a social life, and do things which men enjoy without accepting the negative aspects. Nobody wants to sit at home all and just clean and cook. Though if you pick up a small paying job that keeps you occupied, you can talk with employees, plus youre financially set because of your husband, and everyone around you will think youre a powerful feminist. Its a win win situation. No my mother isn't like this actually. And yes caring more…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 05:14 AM
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I'm sorry a pursuit of interests was a wrong choice of words. What I meant was not having real interests and only that to boost their fruitful image of life.Forget historical achievements, what about minor accomplishments. How many girls do you know built a computer during middleschool/highschool, why don't girls play video games, or whatever. Things that have no impact on their social status, which men do because they have a genuine interest. Usually when a girl does these things its because sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 04:36 AM
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The amount of female accomplishments is low in comparison to that of a man, even in just the last 20-30 years. The reason being men are more passionate about what they do by the simple fact that they have nothing else to rely on. Their entire means of success is determined by their input in their field. Women like to partially do things just to feel like they are doing something, they'll work, and get a job just to feel like a feminist but never actually go beyond the feminist requirment. I supp…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 03:41 AM
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obviously a feminist would never agree to such a definition, but actions speak louder than words
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 02:47 AM
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Its not heartbreak which is to be avoided, I think whats infinitly worse is to see moments which were once exciting and meaningful degress into a ball of stale emotionless apathy and you're only left pandering as to what you did wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 01:13 AM
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That is really a thoughtful response and tbh I really did not see it that way. I think it might help to see it as youre with her because you want to be with her, for your own self interest. If she doesn't want to be with you anymore, why would your interest remain to want to be with someone who doesnt want to be with you? I mean really this post actually opened my eyes, I didn't really understand the whole red pill before this. Knowing this however, I think its really self harm to then have such…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 01:03 AM
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You could very well say the reverse, women sacrifice, men admire. Women have to give themselves to men, do whatever they want, go whereever they want to go, while a man just appreciates her beauty and sacrifice while pursuing his own things
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 09:59 PM
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I think its the wholistic picture, sure some "chads" dont neccasarily have to be a great humanitarian, but those things do certainly increase their worth by a shit ton
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 09:52 PM
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If the intelligent person has good qualities, girls will like him. If he does not girls will not. Girls are on the contrary good judges of character
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 08:17 PM
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Like I said my mistake, that was just my impression of what this was all about
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 08:15 PM
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That is really my mistake, I saw a few threads and comments acting this way and I assumed that this is what they're talking about. Also the friend who reads the redpill started acting obviously controlling and "I put myself above others all the time because thats what real men do" after reading this so i really had a bad impression
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 08:14 PM
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The most respectable one is the strong one who defends the weaker. Shed choose that over both the bully and the victim
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 07:53 PM
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Uhm wrong, the thing is you have a huge assumption that an intelligent person deserves automatic priority over the other people. Thats not true, there are many intelligent people who are not good people, they have little understanding of truth or reality, and their soul is a piece of shit. I can imagine plenty of intelligent people who do get all the chicks
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 07:52 PM
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okay im sorry I misjudged the redpill, maybe I saw a couple of bad comments and made a bad assumption, sorry. Oh and Caring, morally upright, passionate, and enthusiastic are all traits of an alpha. The only thing is SOME do not carry those traits, and so you think "well hur dhurr" those things are on the contrary to being an alpha
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 07:39 PM
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its called reductio ad absurdum bro, you bring the the false assumptions as if it were true and then create an argument why its not true to refute the original assumption
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 07:37 PM
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What is the normal format?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 02:09 AM
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So lets see, if the rich elite were against feminism, this would be the rich elite seeing women as a threat to their power. If the rich elite are pro feminism, this would be the rich elite using equality of women as a diversion to hide their true power. Am I seeing a pattern here?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/15 01:49 AM
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