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you'd think a conservative like OP would better know what a conservative looks like...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/07/26 05:22 AM
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surely the world's most ineffective patriarchy, still with majority male leadership, can demonstrate its ever often touted male ingroup bias at least once in our lifetimes and let this bill go through?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/07/26 08:10 PM
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my partner and I have two cats together (heterosexual relationship, and they're a woman). purely anecdotal evidence, and a sample size of one, and I don't know how common certain trends are in reality, or if it has anything to do with sex and gender socialization, but their observation holds for our individual couple. but, if I were to assume it is true tho, there's a very significant difference that they might be overlooking tho. my partner is much more likely to spend significantly more on our…
/r/EverydayMisandry22/07/26 05:21 PM
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misandry doesn't kill unlike misogyny if you're going to people like this for validation, you will never feel better. misandry kills in SO many obvious, overt ways. that statement is so mindblowingly evil, and the amount of hate and delusion one needs to genuinely think it makes me think it should be a diagnosable psychiatric disorder.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/07/26 10:56 AM
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the exact same biases can be found between children and adults. homeless child? a tragedy, and it kind of is, because they really are at the mercy of their circumstances. they are not failures, and people want to help them. homeless adult with agency? they should do more and their wellbeing is their responsibility. they are failures and people expect them to do better, or deal with it. the problem with feminists is they want the protections and considerations of helplessness afforded to children…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/07/26 06:41 AM
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the notion that men need to be tough and disciplined, and that being male (or female) should entail any gender exclusive socialization is problematic in itself. men shouldn't need to do or be anything to be men, and if being tough and disciplined is a virtue worth pursuing (debatable), then it shouldn't be limited to men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/07/26 06:25 AM
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I actually kind of agree with this. it's too loaded, and used too disingenously in the wild. it's like the word "f*ggot" (I'd rather not censor, but I don't know how silly reddits rules are), for meaning 'bundle of twigs'. sure, but 99.99% of the time it's not used in that way anymore, so either make a big push to reclaim the word and push the newer slur definition away (..a lofty ideal), or just make a new word for a bundle of twigs, so you don't have two very different concepts sharing the sam…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/07/26 08:35 PM
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yeah, that fits. no disagreement there!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/07/26 12:38 PM
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it's not the rule part I disagreed with, it's the second class citizen part that I found dubious.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/07/26 09:41 AM
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i see different takes on gender roles as more of a magnitude thing, and less that they're really truly different. i don't see societies where men's safety is prioritized, or where the the judicial system is harsher on women, or women are expected to be the breadwinners, or where men are expected to be the primary caregivers. you could argue that that's because of the biological differences you mentioned, but that argument would be circular.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/07/26 08:20 AM
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hmm.. let me think. the way I see it is that even in those societies, women are considered a vulnerable class, but are treated closer to children than adults. So, would I call a family where the child is cared for, but the parents carry absolute authority a parent-archy? I suppose so. a child-protective parent-archy. though, I wouldn't call the children second class citizens. I guess even then I'm still reluctant to call those societies like you mentioned a patriarchy with no other clarifying la…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/07/26 07:59 AM
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how do you find out if humans are naturally instinctually afraid of snakes, or if it's a learned behavior? you take infant humans, or otherwise ones that have been completely insulated from human influence and socialization, and observe their behavior around snakes. it would be so silly to ask that question, only to take humans that have been influenced by society and are already afraid of snakes, to draw observations from. How do you find out if human males are less nurturing by nature, or huma…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/07/26 06:35 AM
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I'm asking why it is used by so many people as a primary/umbrella descriptor of a society, in the same way "capitalist" is, despite the term seemingly (to me), carrying very little significance. it doesn't imply what group defines gender norms, it doesn't imply the conditions of any group at large, it doesn't imply the benefit of any group, etc. it just seems to describe a somewhat isolated minor characteristic of traditional gender norms. if anything, I'd think a much better term would be a 'ge…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/07/26 11:46 PM
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in a weird way, I'm kind of in favor of these arguments being laid out. the law never was gender neutral, and at least this way they're being honest about their bigotry. I don't see this stuff getting any better, and in my mind, anything that helps better inform people that all parties are actually just a different flavor of conservative is good in a way.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/07/26 05:01 PM
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this is so insanely true that it's codified into laws in a lot of places.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/07/26 05:00 PM
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wanted to make the same comment
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 07:59 PM
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Change is definitely possible for the people closest to you. I've convinced a lot of close former feminists and close trads towards actual egalitarianism. maybe for the rest of the world, 200 years down the line. as for our lifetimes? don't hold your breath on the world changing. we've gone from the traditional 'men are agents and women are acted upon' to the modern progressive 'men are super monolithic agents and women are acted upon'. Change so far has been easy because nothing actually change…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 07:34 PM
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I'm assuming you mean the same definition I used in my post?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 07:09 PM
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I think nobody here would say that there's no patriarchy in our society if we're going by the very generous definition that almost no one uses in practice, then yeah. The problem is less in what you're defining an entire society as and more in defining an entire society as one thing. makes sense. I often see this single label used as an umbrella to imply all other things tho, or, at the very least used as a sole stand-alone label, even when it doesn't make sense to, so that's the sort of thing I…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 07:01 PM
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ai answer. even that doesn't specify "due to misogyny", as opposed to "due to debtor's prison related issues". reading what you're responding to is also free.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/07/26 08:28 AM
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forget the definition, it doesn't even say equality on the title 😐
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 11:29 PM
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So, two places sell bread, and one of them sells a few tomatoes, but also mostly bread, and they're supposed to be sold equally. why is that not an issue? oh, and the bread only shop frequently advocates against selling any tomatoes. have you thought about this at all? is this a bot, I'm confused?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 01:10 PM
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"misandry doesn't have a body count", what? it has so many more separate body counts its wild to wrap my head around how you could think that. stranger violence, conscripting, hostage killings, androcide, executions, acts of heroism, dangerous jobs, underfunded healthcare, life expectancy, suicide, wtf
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/06/26 12:53 PM
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well yeah, almost any group is privileged over any group if you selectively only look at criteria they tend to be privileged in. if I look at only safety, concern for well being, provision, then men alone have been oppressed for millenia
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/06/26 02:11 AM
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more feminist than you realize..
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/26 06:18 PM
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apparently they know of conservatives that care about mens' consent. would be cool if they could point us to them, they don't sound too bad or rightwing to me.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/06/26 04:51 AM
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this should be top comment here imo. one of the few comments here that correctly addresses the accusation.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/06/26 06:44 PM
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I wouldn't say it "began" there. The Duluth model is uniquely American, but every trad society (so.. every society) has always struggled with seeing men as victims, or women as agents.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/06/26 03:40 PM
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Do you like voting? Owning a home? most people don't own houses. do you understand how comparisons work? because you don't seem to know how to argue them. this is like if someone said crows are smarter than dolphins, and your counter argument is "dolphins can do complicated tricks. don't you think tricks are smart?". it does not confront the comparison, nor does it state how it's quantifying the comparison. you're just saying what you think and going "but look it's obvious". side a has to deal w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/06/26 05:35 PM
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It was certainly advantageous to be a man (in many ways) 6+ decades ago, and for most of human history. yikes, this got upvoted here? the comment that basically asserts "women's gender roles were definitely worse than men's, and we know that and can somehow quantify it via 'trust me' "
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/06/26 07:23 AM
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I don't because I'm keen on not generalizing. as for the average guy, and why they don't generalize women as bad? my guess is that it's because they're not used to seeing women portrayed/depicted/reported as bad, as often, so they don't have pre-existing biases for seeing women as violent or dangerous. The average guy might occasionally hear about a rape that happened. male-on-female, because female-on-male rape isn't acknowledged, and so they internalize that it's men who typically do these thi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/26 08:56 AM
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I get it in the case of a war: I think it just stems from the plausibility that men affected were combattants, whereas women and children were definitely civilians if it happens outside of war (and it does), then the primary motivator for the phrase isn't about combatants and non-combantants, let alone willful combatants. it's about a moral position that harming those seen as more vulnerable is less moral, which itself is sexist when comparing unwilling men harmed, to unwilling women harmed. you…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/05/26 02:55 PM
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a bit strange that you're using a grok chat link as a source for 14, but the claim itself makes perfect sense. The idea that 'men are raised to be chivalrous and protective of women, and then a few men who adhere to those beliefs are able to be put into positions of power, and then suddenly they decide to abandon all of their beliefs and protectiveness of women in order to support their ingroup and uphold a system by men, for men' is so laughably ridiculous, and there's evidence literally everyw…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 08:00 PM
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if that bullet list is representative of left wing values (I don't know how "leftwing" specifically is typically defined, as it seems very broad and I don't really care for overly broad labels), then that would make this place probably the most "leftist" sub on the platform. I can't name a single other sub that meets numbers 4 and 5.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 12:53 PM
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this reads out like an argument between two people, done via reading quotes of the day off their cereal box. I very much doubt either of these people have attempted to actually compare misogyny against misandry, but rather just picked a favorite tired slogan.
/r/EverydayMisandry03/05/26 02:12 PM
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fwiw, I agree. gender norms suck, and it's odd how few gender abolitionists we have, even here. happy to join you in the downvotes here.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/05/26 05:00 AM
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oh. I read that as a comparison between sexes. that women back in the day were 'substantially disadvantaged, relative to men'. my bad. Yeah, I definitely don't disagree that they were substantially disadvantaged, in general, especially compared to nowadays.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/05/26 03:17 AM
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how are you confidently quantifying all of women's disadvantages "back in the day", against men's breadwinner pressure, legal discrimination, social presumption of guild, glass floor, and all the major wars men had to burden back in the day?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/05/26 01:46 AM
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am eagerly awaiting their reply. 🍿 men get killed more, but women have it worse because their murderer has a penis. huh.
/r/MensRights29/04/26 05:25 PM
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yeah, their Christianity analogy doesn't hold up. most, or at least many, other Christians would be fiercely against that rhetoric, especially if spread in a public forum, or by someone with power in the church. You don't observe fierce opposition to misandry AT ALL within feminism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/26 08:34 PM
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what I see: everyone is always wary that I might be dangerous, and tells me that people like me are dangerous, and that I should prioritize and care about other people's safety, but not for my own, or that of people like me. my own safety is constantly devalued as a consequence, on top of that. that I should have empathy and accept being seen as a pseudo criminal my entire life by default, and accept that I can't be treated with the same trust as other people, despite behaving just as safe. what…
/r/EverydayMisandry27/04/26 12:47 AM
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I'd say things were more "even" then. at least both sexes had major issues, rather than men having significantly more, like today. not to suggest the sort of "even" then was good either.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/04/26 12:14 AM
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I apologize if it appeared as though I was talking about you. To be fair, I should have clarified better. I was only talking about an extremely common and annoying thing people do, that the person I was responding to mentioned. so far, you have not done that specific thing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/26 01:18 AM
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Would you feel good about a hypothetical men's advocacy movement that helped secure important rights for men, but also monopolized the entire gender equality landscape and by and large pushed the idea that women face no systemic issues, and that traditionally, sexism is something primarily only men experience?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/26 08:07 PM
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I hate when people say that so much. I almost feel bad for them for how they don't recognize how dumb that argument actually is. they first start with the assertion that women have it worse by far and men face no systemic oppression. you then counterargue against those assertions. then they so often respond with "and who set those things up?". EVEN if you were to grovel and accept the absurdity they're trying to sell, and go "men. only men set up the system. women are all helpless and somehow ca…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/26 07:47 PM
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What is the point of playing this either or game 'war is worse than housework so women aren't oppressed'? The person you're replying to didn't in any way suggest that women aren't oppressed or traditionally face their own issues. you're the only one here who identifies with an ideology that does that (frames sexism as primarily only affecting one sex). the irony is here is on another level...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/04/26 06:58 AM
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You are describing things that apply to racism but those structures aren't the same and feminism doesn't pretend they are. we must be observing two different feminisms then, because the one I see absolutely does. it's only a strawman if you are certain that feminism doesn't describe women's oppression as analogous to racism and I find it kind of nuts that you haven't observed that. there are cases where older siblings have used their power in that dynamic to sexually abuse their younger siblings…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/04/26 05:51 AM
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fwiw, I am for equal rights. I would be in the streets for this, or for an issue pertaining to women. however, it would be much easier to do the latter tho, as there is an established platform for it, and both feminists and trads are already conditioned to care for the wellbeing of women, so finding support and numbers would be somewhat easy. Feminists on the other hand, who are the platform, should (in theory) be doing both, if they more honest. I do what i can, like talk to people who are clos…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/04/26 11:09 AM
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How do you convince someone of something, when they work backwards from a conclusion? How do you convince a religious person out of their religion? idk man. I find that most people tend to have a threshold with how much conversation they can stand. if it gets too long, or too uncomfortable, they back out, especially if their own arguments aren't very good.The only thing that's been effective for me is if one can very significantly increase that threshold. only taking it up with very close signif…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/04/26 06:43 AM
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I'm sure feminists are talking about it, and taking to the streets over continued sexist conscription policies even after reforms? or do they just not because they've already decided women's issues are so much worse despite constantly demonstrating that they never even look to examine men's issues to make a comparison to begin with.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/04/26 06:28 AM
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wow they didn't reply.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/26 04:19 AM
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yup. but, we can still blame feminism for lumping all those things up with a phoey theory that asserts men are a privileged class and so their proportional gender issues don't matter and that men are collectively, solely to blame for them. feminism didn't make these issues, but feminism is the main obstacle to addressing them
/r/EverydayMisandry07/04/26 04:10 AM
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Wow, so you can just win an argument by not confronting the initial point at all? guys take issue with how they're expected to give their female partners flowers and do courting in general and it isn't reciprocated at all, and she just talks on about male on male affection which wasn't even part of the original complaint. what a brilliant argument approach 🙃
/r/EverydayMisandry06/04/26 08:08 PM
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Is there anything inherently wrong with being a reaction to it tho? Feminism has always been a "reaction" to traditional conservative ideology, despite ironically not being too different from it. What's so wrong with being a reaction to both feminism, and tradcons? (granted, lwma doesn't talk enough about tradcons, but I understand why, as they're at least honest about not caring about gender issues)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/26 10:59 AM
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Women not in work force? women oppressed. women in work force and expected to make income? women oppressed. Women expected to raise kids? women oppressed. Men not given equal access to child rearing roles? Women oppressed. okay.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/26 12:24 AM
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np c:
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/26 01:52 PM
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I find the traditional dynamic between men and women to be more analogous to (elements of) something like an older sibling younger sibling hierarchy (not that I agree with it's principles, of course). one of malagency bias. I think that has much more predictive power (and makes more intuitive sense than oppression and outright hatred of women) Older sibling: -expected to take care of younger sibling and given additional responsibilities -granted some commanding authority over younger sibling -ex…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/26 01:39 PM
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I mean that boomers is a derogatory term that (often) refers to old people, and carries the connotation that they are bigoted, as old people are assumed to carry outdated hateful beliefs, like that certain ethnicities are inferior. So, I'm essentially saying that these misandrists will eventually fit the same stereotype, where they will be the old and bigoted generation of the future.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/26 09:36 AM
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Am from south east Asia, 3rd world country, and it's 100% not a patriarchy as is commonly described. just traditional gender norms like everywhere else. Men are expected to be breadwinners, women to be SAHMs, at least in the more traditional corners here.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/26 09:26 AM
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but what we see is that for women to have acquired that power they needed to exhibit classic male gender role traits (assertiveness, directness, verbal agression…), they didn’t acquire it through tradional female gender role traits (nurturing, passiveness, beauty…). So the “institutional power” is not necessarily linked to men as a gender, it’s linked to “male gender role”. And men exhibiting more female gender role traits often face ridicule and mockery. So the real axis in a patriarchy is not …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/26 04:50 PM
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Well, it's not like any mainstream gender position is against perpetuating sexist stereotypes about men. Boomers of tomorrow. ...which is also ironically a stereotyping age-ist term, but I'll use it this once.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/26 01:23 PM
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To me what you’re calling malagency bias actually fits quite neatly within the same structural model I’m using. I assumed as much, from the few messages you wrote. seeing how groups with relative levels of assigned perceived agency react to each other and are perceived by each other can go quite far in explaining gender norms, and even applies well to many demographics outside of gender (teacher/student; adult/child; older and younger siblings; etc), and in ways that don't conflict with the idea…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/26 01:21 AM
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So, you don't seem like a terrible person, but you do seem confusing to me. what I don't understand is why you associate with the label? Take me for example.. Do I call myself an MRA? no. I think they can occasionally have some interesting ideas and observations, especially many years ago, but their spaces are poorly moderated for casual misogyny, and in the recent years, MRAs have too many conservatives, and so if people are wary of me for carrying the label, I would agree with them. How about …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/26 05:54 PM
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My only issue with your take is that it seems to take historically male gender roles and argues that they just are appealing I didn't see the post that way at all. I thought they were pretty clear that all of their comparisons were relative comparisons. Conservatives are relatively more appealing. relatively more fair. not appealing. not ideal. not even good.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/26 08:08 AM
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it's worse actually. the left is the main source of pithy arguments against addressing men's systemic issues that have kept them from being addressed for decades, amongst people who otherwise intend to be supportive of the concept of gender equality.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/26 08:00 AM
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relevant differences? (my argument does not include children, nor does it need to) men CAN BE combatants. people of color can be gang members. women CAN BE combatants. white people can be gang members. any given man is more likely to be a combatant than any given woman (often unwillingly). any given person of color is more likely to be an active gang member than any given white person in the US. There are so many obvious possible solutions to this issue, but you just stop at "can't be helped. pe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/03/26 09:49 PM
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that's a fucked up take. Should headlines also say "10 killed in shooting, 8 of them innocent whites" so we can know for sure it wasn't involved gang members?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/03/26 09:24 PM
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this is all assuming the fear women have is valid (otherwise we couldn't really say just how much they are the victims), which is Impossible to know the extent of when it's true that both women are conditioned to be afraid of men, regardless of their experiences with them (at least in all the traditional families I know), and that men are conditioned to know that they lose social status if they show fear, or even feel fear.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/03/26 04:56 PM
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right wingers don't want women in the draft. I can't believe this has to be said.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 09:13 AM
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I also wanna add that many hypotheticals can be considered and evaluated to explain this, and people jumping straight to "yeah, because she was his slave" are just... skipping the whole scientific process. the first thing that comes to mind for me is that men may not be raised to have emotionally supportive social systems. your partner dies and you have only yourself to process all of that, vs emotionally supportive family and friends. this can be evaluated by controlling for that. literally a m…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/03/26 03:53 PM
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so, traditionally, women had access to wealth and social mobility via the husband and father, and in turn were dependent on them. they had less access to workforce participation. men had access through the workforce and we're dependent on their employer and had to build skills. they had (and have) less access to depending on their partner. what's the extra layer? also, how you phrase it as "unpaid" in your initial comment seems disingenuous. a dependent wife who was meeting her traditional gende…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/03/26 09:50 AM
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so, it hurts men more than it helps them.. so why adhere to the feminist assumption that male privilege is more of a thing than female privilege?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/26 05:29 AM
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Ive learned there’s nearly no communication between men, nobody talks and if you do you’re being dramatic. Ive noticed people expect you to be tough constantly though, and if you complain you’re weak. this wasn't something you knew beforehand? it's such a constant reality on this side, I'm surprised if you didn't notice it from the other side of the fence.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/26 03:19 AM
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A patriarchy doesn't benefit men as a general group, it benefits rich and powerful men this implies that male privilege for the common man is not a thing, no?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/26 03:07 AM
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I mean this in the most compliment-ey way - you're such a mutant of a human for being able to come to all that perspective of the other side on your own. thanks for having your brain! hope you stick around here ^ ! also I've been around here for a good while now and, I wanna mention: Was hoping I wasn't seeming too invasive (some bloody female charging in and controlling things). people here only have that wary reaction to certain ideologies, and not to demographics like that. if a community wou…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/26 05:41 PM
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I read this, and also a more recent comment of yours, and I kind wanna ask.. how did you get so informed on the male specific gender norm issues? it's pretty rare for me to see from anyone, male or female, who aren't unfortunately redpill, and I haven't really seen you around here before. can I ask how your formed the positions you hold? it's just super interesting to me how much you seem to get it, and how.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/26 08:55 PM
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if you want a 50-50 partnership as a man, you'd already violate several dating norms on the very first date (to take the risk of initiating, expectation to pay, to make sure they get home safe (unreciprocated), etc). people who say "the bar is in hell" must really be thinking it's women that are jumping through all these hoops for men's approval out in the dating market..
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/26 02:59 AM
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I'm male and in a heterosexual monogamous relationship, and if my partner hit me, I would not call the cops, cause unless I have a literal knife sticking out of me, I fully expect to either not be taken seriously, or risk having my partner say I hit them, knowing they would be taken much more seriously. I probably wouldn't even tell my family, cause they're all trad and wouldn't take it seriously either. I'd rather not get the "you look fine to me"s thankfully my partner is great, but I have bee…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/26 08:07 PM
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if you believe both men and women were given bad hands differently, you'll be berated out of any feminist room. just say you think women have always had it worse than men and misogyny is a bigger problem. everytime a feminist comes in here they always start with "I know men have it bad under patriarchy too", yet always eventually pivot to the all common feminist belief that women have it worse. it's such a tired mote and bailey, and it's gross watching feminists pretend to care about men's issue…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/26 06:02 PM
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its like this retrosenescent guy has never heard of gender roles. what a bubble they must live in..
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/26 12:38 PM
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I think it is unreasonable because it is unfounded to say that men perpetrating domestic violence is so vastly disproportionate to women perpetrating domestic violence that it deserves a specific policy in place, and also, any such policy giving special protections based on demographic alone runs a very high risk of being straight up discriminatory. even if most of the girls in a classroom were bullies, then should we then discipline girls more just for being girls, when we would still accomplis…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/01/26 05:56 PM
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most oppressed group in history? wtf on earth. trad men literally tell men that if they don't put their neck out for the safety of women, they're not real men. most oppressed group in history... I swear, there's gotta be something in the water where all these feminists live..
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/12/25 12:01 PM
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also, rap lyrics aren't exactly progressive and empowering for men either. lots of glorifying male on male violence, and hustle culture, and promoting the idea that men are only worth what they make, etc.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/12/25 11:23 AM
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that's a good analogy. to be fair, even trads might agree that their children do in many ways kind of seem like their "property" in some sense, at least when the kids are very young, but it's deeefinitely not property like a slave is property, so the use of the term is just to stir outrage. even they would likely find it a weird word to use, to describe someone under someone else's care and supervision. if anything, the "property" thing is entirely designed and upheld for the benefit of the chil…
/r/EverydayMisandry26/12/25 09:38 AM
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if it was about property, then you would expect to need to pay the dad to purchase their property. if it's about protectiveness, then the dad wants the best for the daughter, sees someone she feels happy with, but only feels a need to make sure he thinks he can take care of her properly, because gender roles. not to defend either, but it's so obviously the 2nd one, Im surprised demographics who actually have been slaves aren't getting fucking pissed at all of this horrific misappropriation of th…
/r/EverydayMisandry25/12/25 06:52 AM
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children when they are protected, fed, sheltered, provided for, but live under someone's rules, and are in their care: Not perfect. Could feel constricting at times, but it was nice to be cared for. women when they are traditionally protected, fed, sheltered, provided for, but live under someone's rules, and are in their care: LITERALLY A SLAVE. breaking their backs in the mines, hoping to earn but a morsel of food before the winter night, while their husband masters congregate to discuss how th…
/r/EverydayMisandry25/12/25 12:29 AM
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"I struggle to see how telling women they shouldn't be allowed outside the house without being covered head to toe is misogyny, because it stems from the misandry of seeing men as dangerous sexual predators" things can be two things at the same time.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/25 12:54 AM
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the self feeding arguments of "we know the patriarchy hurts men too." -> "society being patriarchal is why women are the only oppressed sex" have gotta be the motte and bailey of the century. women are oppressed? see, it's patriarchy. men are oppressed? well now patriarchy is just irrefutable. patriarchy? women have it so much worse.
/r/EverydayMisandry20/12/25 09:09 PM
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you're quickly becoming one of my favorite commenters around here
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/12/25 12:16 PM
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I talk to anyone I'm close enough in life to about these issues. I've gotten quite a lot of people who were less informed or less egalitarian to be cognizant of gender roles and how no current movements actually truly challenge them. my current partner was a feminist when we met and now identifies strictly as an egalitarian. as for marching in the streets, or starting petitions? I'd love to, but there is no platform, and an abundance of opposition (something many feminists seem to often forget).…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/12/25 06:08 AM
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speak for your own nature. plenty of gendered socialization pushing and conditioning men to take harmful risks, and to conclusively determine it is innate, even absent of that, would be unfounded.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/12/25 05:57 AM
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If an alleged victim fails to meet the barrier to prove that they've been victimized, that shouldn't be used to then flip the script around to present a false accusation and defamation allegation. okay, I'm trying to think about this how I imagine you're thinking about it. there's a person who actually is guilty of rape, but is not found guilty, and then since there's a reliably high chance they will not be found guilty due to the nature of the crime being difficult to prove, then they can launc…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/25 05:48 PM
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that's kind of a dumb concern. if someone is accused of being a rapist, but they are not deemed guilty, it would be wrong to prosecute them for a crime they are not proven to have committed. if someone is accused of rape and is proven guilty, they should be harshly prosecuted. but if someone does a serious crime of falsely accusing someone of rape, and it is proven, it shouldn't be harshly prosecuted because of worrying about victims not wanting to come forward? that's ridiculous. say I accuse s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/25 01:54 AM
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you expanded your reply so I'll give a second response for the added bit. Can you tell me more about the feminists you've dated? What most intrigues me about straight feminists is how they must overcome the challenge of reconciling their misandry with their attraction towards men. so, to be clearer, I've dated what I'd consider a few moderate feminists. so, not the "kill all men" type. at worst the "I hate all men ('s behavior)" type. Mostly the "I don't hate men, but women have it so much worse…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/25 05:28 PM
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both feminists and trad wives have the same picture of the male gender role, so, I haven't noticed much difference in exploitation personally. they both hold expectations for the guy to be the primary breadwinner and initiator, but they just justify it differently. Zero empathy? I don't think most feminists IRL are that bad as persons. I will say that I agree that people - if you get to know them on a surface level - whether they're a racist, or a trad, or a feminist, or a neonazi, they can usua…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/25 05:02 PM
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I've dated a bunch. they don't. zero empathy, and every now and then they say the dumbest shit. can't forget "the only reason women and children prioritized on a sinking ship is because the men see them as burdens", as if not getting on a life boat themselves was somehow less of a burden. it's so dumb, it feels like watching someone pull out a calculator to subtract 2 from 4 every other day.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/25 04:01 PM
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tbf, I don't agree the singling out only women as victims of historical prejudice tho, when it's not like there was a point only women had a gender role
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/12/25 05:03 PM
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I watched the show a bit cause a friend asked me to a few months back. I haven't seen s2, but really, people think he doesn't deserve her? wtf? I thought it was already bad how one of its moral of the storys was 'cute girl falls in love with guy who is extremely competent, tall, and extends himself to the point of exhaustion being an actual plot point, for free', but there are actually people claiming HE doesn't deserve HER? what the hell, people
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/12/25 07:45 PM
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this image might actually be the most ironic statement I've ever read.
/r/EverydayMisandry09/12/25 02:30 PM
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I won't go into my own life story, but this post is extremely relatable. Very obvious disability with massive functional handicaps -> too many barriers for participating in the workforce, so I consider options outside of it where I can still be helpful -> getting called a bum, and being told to be a breadwinner on the basis of my sex, despite being clearly less qualified to be one than my partner. I've made it work tho, and not by doing things I cannot do. hope things are going better for you yo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/25 08:47 AM
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yeah, no, that's everywhere. c':
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/25 04:03 AM
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most of the stuff you listed is also the case in countries like Pakistan, etc. but other than that (that women in those places are under a pure oppression), I agree.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/25 01:57 AM
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this is my sole and biased opinion, but you might have the healthiest friend group on the planet.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/25 01:33 AM
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how do you find/date people who aren't conservative or feminist? that seems to be 99.99% of the population unless we're operating under different definitions. One thing I noted too is that while it’s cool to find commonalities of course it’s unrealistic to think all your relationships and connections should have the exact some views as you do of course. I have my lines in the sand as well, but generally if they seem like they treat ethics as a dialectic and not as an ideology and personal attack…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/25 01:28 AM
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I guess I think it's kind of a meaningless term with limited implications on society on its own. part of the male gender role has men traditionally having easier access and means to get into positions of authority. when that happens, we call the whole society a patriarchy. I don't see why we define society by the positions that the male gender role puts men in, while not also defining it by the positions that the female gender role puts women in. It (calling something a patriachy because men hol…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/12/25 06:58 PM
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I think people who define patriarchy as something other than a society where men as a group are privileged in general are just trying to hopelessly reclaim a word that has been firmly defined by the social landscape, and they should just give up and pick a new word if their definition strongly disagrees with the extremely widely used one.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/12/25 07:49 AM
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okay, you're a bit off by assuming I disagree with you here. I said women had their own unique issues too, and that is what I was referring to. OP said the industrial revolution had women enter the work force and thus become worker drones like men -> I responded by saying they weren't worker drones in the same way men were worker drones. it's clear from context that "worker drone" as used here, refers only to wage labor in this conversation, and does not refer to all of an individual's collectiv…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/12/25 02:00 PM
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I disagree that women were "objectively" the most screwed after the industrial revolution. (I know you said "screwed over the most", but it's implied you meant the most screwed). You say they had to be worker drones too, with less pay, less rights, and the threat of violence against from their partners, and no representation in the law as your reasoning. yeah, they entered the workforce, but still didn't fully assume the male gender role of being a provider. it's disingenuous to put that up like…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/25 01:57 AM
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you say that like reversing the genders as a tool to evaluate for inequalities is a bad thing. does your idea of equality not work so well when you flip the equation?
/r/EverydayMisandry29/11/25 03:41 AM
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if I secretly spiked my (female) significant other's food with male hormones, and that action was then celebrated on a primarily male subreddit that conforms to the idea that women are a privileged oppressor class, what would you call that?
/r/EverydayMisandry29/11/25 03:19 AM
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I disagree. I think when it comes to ethics in particular (not talking about all uses of generalizations, or including it's utility in math and statistics), it's unethical to treat an individual according to a generalization of people who share their superficial characteristics. I wouldn't call it fine to look at the color of someone's skin, or their sex, or their haircut and profile what they may be like as a person Im from the Philippines and have gotten mistreated by store owners abroad becau…
/r/EverydayMisandry25/11/25 10:57 PM
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I saw a reddit comment a while back that said something like "thinking generalizations are bad is showing my age these day", and I agree so hard with that. it used to be ethics 101. "don't generalize people" was something your school, and your parents would tell you (or at least mine did). nowadays, and for probably the past decade, I don't see it mentioned on its own. people are getting torn down for NOT generalizing. insane how shit this timeline is.
/r/EverydayMisandry23/11/25 08:22 PM
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I'd agree instantly if it were "more afforded agency" or "more authority" in general, but more rights? rights to protections, provision, equal responsibility, parenting, etc are also rights, so "more rights" would be very poor phrasing at best.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/11/25 01:01 AM
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seriously what is this men'slib post? patriarchy? systemic bias mainly affecting women? the wage gap? even managed to employ textbook apex fallacy.. who the heck is upvoting this? do people here even read anymore?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/10/25 03:26 AM
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I'm going to assume an answer as to why, that I think is likely. if men don't value their own wellbeing, they do not care about seeing doctors. if they don't care about seeing doctors, their partners or family will make them see doctors, walk them through the entire process and handle all the information regarding it. imagine I have a partner who I really want to play games, but they're generally not interested but are willing try some out, for me. its me asking them to try it, so I'll be the on…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/10/25 08:40 AM
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I don't think it's unique to Americans. masculine socialization kind of trains men to not complain in many ways (at least in ways that can be perceived as weak or whiny), as showing weakness is generally considered ugly on a guy. sprain your ankle? walk it off. need to get blood extracted and feel scared? risk getting called a baby. same with spicy foods, shitty beer, manual labor, unfair treatment, etc. I'm actually one of these guys myself. I'll play things off for as long as I can bear them, …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/10/25 02:18 PM
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this person reasoning for justifying the paying thing is weird. A. they're defending and perpetuating an archaic male gender role. B. feminist interpretations of the pay gap (looking at uncontrolled overall income by gender/not taking into account social pressures men face/not taking into account wealth transfer/spending power/etc) are some the most comically stupid shit I've ever seen. C. even if they were right about their interpretation of what the pay gap is, the logic would still be 'becaus…
/r/EverydayMisandry17/10/25 05:12 AM
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apparently despite having always been the majority of primary parents and early educators, women have no meaningful influence over societal norms. all those memories of mine where my dad was at work and my mom was the one teaching us how men and women "should" act were all somehow solely a man's fault, somewhere. /s
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/10/25 06:53 PM
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been a while since I've seen you here. welcome back! :D
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/25 02:50 AM
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even then, it's still only a "patriarchy" in terms of who holds authority, but the needs and wellbeing of women and children are still prioritized in those societies. it's not like they'd see a woman or child get killed and think "phew at least it's not a man", or be giving harsher prison sentences to women. the feminist oppressor/oppressed patriarchy, where men's wellbeing is prioritized straight up doesn't exist anywhere.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/09/25 02:43 PM
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OP's is another case of looking at only one side, and deciding "yup, this side has it worse for sure". 'cake tastes better than ice cream because cake is sweet' is somehow 'sound reasoning' that I see over and over again with these people.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/09/25 04:11 AM
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the OPs question was a rhetorical question about how men are not advantaged over women in general. 2a. you attempted to COUNTER that with your YouTube playlist. 2b. we retroactively know that you agree with me that men could easily have an equivalent YouTube playlist of biases against men. you've literally said that such biases exist and you never stated otherwise. it logically follows that you think that a counter to "what advantages do men have over women" is saying "both men and women have to…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/09/25 12:33 AM
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to answer a question of "what privileges do men have over women" with a playlist of female disadvantages is to imply that men don't have mirror disadvantages. if they did, you would be saying "The privileges men have over women are that they don't have to deal with harmful gendered tropes, but instead have to deal with harmful gendered tropes." which makes no sense. also, nice cheap Kafka trap. say you're a feminist without saying you're a feminist are you a bot or something?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/09/25 12:15 AM
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a YouTube playlist about harmful tropes and gendered phenomenon for women in media? ah yes, because men have none of that at all. no male goons, no tiring depictions of male bandits, no various non reciprocal messages of self sacrifice and public servitude, no men never having a full range of emotions, etc. phew /s crazy to be spending time commenting about equality, without ever actually checking what the other side looks like
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/25 11:28 PM
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also being entitled to provision and advances in dating and relationships, exploiting their position of hypoagency if they would benefit from being seen as a victim, various forms of social warfare on men and other women they dislike, also how the very women themselves are harmed by being socialized more often to be more passive, or to be prim and proper, etc. also, nobody talks about how weird it is that "ways that masculinity harms people around them" and "ways that masculinity harms the men w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/09/25 10:19 PM
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it's not even a good motte. by their motte's reasoning, saying Mexicans are lazy, black people are dangerous, women are stupid, etc is all perfectly good and fine because "it should be obvious were talking about the ones who are"
/r/EverydayMisandry12/09/25 08:58 PM
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I actually thought they were not too far off at the very beginning, where they talked about men generally being valued less, and only for what they can provide, and women generally being valued simply for being. I just find it odd that when they expound on their role reversal, they talk pretty much exclusively about how now men are subservient and have to do all these things that women had to... pretty much just the cons of being a man in the role reversal, as if regular gender roles were just c…
/r/EverydayMisandry27/07/25 01:03 AM
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I don't disagree, but if we are to say "it's okay to be worried about having a child of a certain sex due to the risk of exposure and adoption of bigotry", then yes, worry about boys and the red pill/blackpill stuff, and my god worry about girls and the orders of magnitude greater pipeline to misandry they're gonna grow up with in this day and age. I can't even watch any 2 western movies these days without generalizing statements about men, or male disposability in media, weird double standards …
/r/EverydayMisandry24/07/25 06:32 AM
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Apparently if you define society only by which domains men are traditionally more successful in general, it's a patriarchy, and if you define privilege with only areas where men traditionally have it easier, then wow look at that, men are privileged. oh, and let's define sexism with only metrics that primarily affect women and I think we're really onto something! 🤦‍♀️
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/25 07:47 AM
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totally agree. Im a guy, but I've dated people with brutally painful periods. It's a very wide spectrum, and so it's not periods in general I think about, but period conditions and complications that should absolutely be afforded additional consideration. The point after all isn't to have a fixed list of valid afflictions that deserve sick leave, it's to allow it when people need it, whether thats from a rough period, a sore eye, or a broken leg, so long as it's bad enough to justify it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/06/25 08:40 AM
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it's always alarming how insane feminist views like yours sound. How the heck is this cult nonsense mainstream? 😓
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/25 05:35 PM
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A few seem one sided, notably 4, which I feel is likely cherry picked. Some of the wording is a bit incindiary too. In general tho, it seems pretty accurate, if you can look past the needlessly harsh tonality sometimes used. Your phrasing seems to suggest you think it's mostly nonsense. Also, neither the OP, nor this subreddit generally assert that forms of male privilege don't exist, while feminism does the inverse, making that quite the false equivalency to compare the two.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/06/25 12:36 PM
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You realize traditional gender roles weren't a choice, right? How did I imply they were a choice for anyone? Women haven't been allowed to vote for all that long - this shit ain't that old. Yes, and? Saying "Women haven't had x right for that long" would only be meaningful if men have, and have always had at least all the rights women are, and have been afforded. if not, then I could literally just specify a single significant right men lack (or even have lacked in the past) and nullify whatever…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/25 09:37 PM
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Would a person who has reasonable complaints be an incel, or is there no distinction, so long as they are blaming something (women/society) other than themselves for their issues? If a man complains about the women they are interested in not dating him because he doesnt make more than them, knowing full well that is a common issue for only men, but not for women, would he be an incel to you? If "yes, he would be an incel", then it shames people into being trad. The whole point of gender ethics i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/25 08:09 PM
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I don't hate men, but I hate the imaginary system I invented by mischaracterizing traditional gender roles. I hate living as a victim according to my belief system that refuses to acknowledge anyone but people like me as victims.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/25 03:56 PM
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This is a wonderful post. Very well put and very structured reasoning. I've had many of the same points and discussion with some people in my life over this exact subject, and it's nice to see I'm not the only one with these patterns of thinking. And yes, it's comical how RSA is the dominant argument by non feminists (not that their arguments are any better). You seem to think about ethics, try to falsify and stress test approaches, and keep to your principles. I feel like what other people do i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/25 12:12 PM
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Using groups that conventionally have mainly negative generalizations irl (asian/black) in my example was actually pretty bad argument etiquette on my part. just an aside that I realized late and thought I should mention. We're honestly not really that different tbh, at least from what I can tell. If you explain your views like you did here, I don't think many gender abolitionists would actually see you as part of the problem, as I certainly don't. The main thing we disagree on is how much harm …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/25 09:13 AM
1

By the way, if it sounds like I have a tone, it's unintended and I apologize. honestly, you're being super civil and are conducting yourself very well, and I hope to as well. These sorts of exchanges are good, imo
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/25 08:34 AM
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Let's say I have 100 Norwegian students and I teach them all to like frogs. Would it be appropriate for me to say Norwegians like frogs? It depends... would they be naturally more likely to like frogs on their own, absent of me? then maybe, as a generalizing observation (but I would question the point of doing so and biases it may foster), but if it was just me that made them like frogs, then no.. the correlation I'm making between Norwegians and liking frogs is well.. it's kind of weird if bein…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/25 08:29 AM
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Okay, that's somewhat fair. It can be easy to lose sight of what a subject might look like to others if you get too used to thinking about it a certain way. I'll get a bit specific here, but what OP means is (and I'm sure of this because I'm gender abolitionist) is they dislike prescriptive masculinity, NOT descriptive masculinity. Now, gender abolitionists, myself included, would say that descriptive masculinity in practice and in reality can never be good either, but not because it itself does…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/25 07:35 AM
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I'm just referring to your single initial comment. You criticized OP by saying "Masculinity is just the term to refer to what men do". Purely descriptive. To defend that argument, you'd need to argue that it is never prescribed.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/25 07:24 AM
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You are reading it as purely descriptive, while they are seeing it as at least somewhat prescriptive (and presumptive). The latter is honestly more accurate. To claim otherwise is to say nobody ever enforces or assumes masculine norms on others.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/25 07:10 AM
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I agree. The female gender role and traditional male-to-female directional resource transfer is all framed as oppression and misogyny, when convenient. in one situation it's "only the female gender role is oppressive because they are dependent and unpaid" and yet in other situations where it might hurt women to take up male responsibilities and expectations it's "women should have a choice to provide for their entire families, or be stay at home". The difference between them and egalitarians is …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/05/25 11:59 AM
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very cogent argument.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/25 05:54 PM
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nope, but it's very funny/sad that you think I was 🥲 shows how common this all is
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/05/25 07:19 AM
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While I don't agree with the original comment, I think my criticism of feminism would be valid if they did the same thing, even if they were powerless. As such, us being powerless should have no bearing on the validity of their point that we may be being hypocritical, even if they are technically being whataboutist. I did think about this tho. My thoughts are that yes, people here do interprete feminist thinking and motivations in ways that feminists themselves would disagree that they think, bu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/05/25 07:08 AM
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Do you have a source on this? I hear this "women couldn't open bank accounts before because of flat misogyny" talking point very often, and your explanation sounds much more likely, and I'd like to have something to reference. also, what would be the case for unmarried women?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/05/25 12:21 AM
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Yes, like any trad country. I am not suggesting they are egalitarian in any way shape or form, but just that they seem to understand what traditional gender norms are (even if they unfortunately subscribe to them), while most of the English speaking world seems to only "understand" a gross mischaracterization of those norms. It's a better starting point, I think, as understanding gendered constructs helps with deconstructing and eventually abolishing them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/05/25 05:40 PM
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I know, it's bizarre to see!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/05/25 02:24 PM
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I don't think the initial takes were bad, I think they were just one-sided. Accurate, mind you, but one-sided. Women do face those issues in the workplace. I agree and appreciate you seeing it as well! but, if you're used to feminist takes, they can make one feel pessimistic about the rest of the video before it considers constraints for the male gender role. That's the only reason I made this comment, so people who watch won't get too pessimistic before seeing the whole thing through
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/05/25 02:03 PM
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I forgot to mention, the latter half of the video was where things started to improve and get interesting. The beginning (first half) sounds.. well, not really too bad, but you wouldn't be at fault to thinking the takes would continue on to be really bad, but later on they do actually go out of their way to consider the male half.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/05/25 01:18 PM
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regarding 'a', I do hear that argument a lot in response to these things. however, if the complaint is that women are killed by men more often than men are killed by women, then it should not be phrased as an epidemic of violence against women. if Hispanics robbed nobody, but Asians robbed hispanics sometimes, but robbed other asians twice as often as they rob hispanics, then yes, there are more Asians robbing Hispanics than there are Hispanics robbing Asians, but if there is an epidemic, it's a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/05/25 03:53 PM
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really great comment
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/25 04:54 PM
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Yes, it's between two women. No misandry tho? I mean, it says patriarchal standards are to have women look like children, implying men are into kids enough for it to be a norm in their idea of a "patriarchal" society. So, arguably some misandry.
/r/EverydayMisandry27/04/25 08:48 PM
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yes, I agree, last image is pretty damning. Also, I didnt see the number of upvotes on that initially (800+, damn). I still maintain that it's generalization to speak about women, or any group not defined by their beliefs, like that, but yeah, it's a pretty bad situation with a disproportionate amount of misandry specifically.
/r/EverydayMisandry13/04/25 06:39 PM
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this is a dumb post. first off, while the comment in the last photo does generalize and promote hate, the OP does not (at least not from any of these screenshots or their post), and is simply talking about one individual. they make no broad statements about men. Secondly, while I can see how the guy may have been just trying to make a lighthearted jab, I can also see how it's reasonable to both respond positively to it, or get even more irritated over how you can't take a piss, and interpret it …
/r/EverydayMisandry13/04/25 05:01 PM
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Doesn't Tate tell men that they should be traditionally masculine, and dominant, and make money, otherwise they're losers and failures? if by "patriarchal", you mean a system wherein men are generally privileged relative to women, and you think that's patriarchal, then would it be a female privileged system if society told women they should all be housewives and mothers and then they could get whatever they want in life? sounds like just regular trad gender roles to me.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/04/25 02:40 PM
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Well, off the top of my head, the argument that "it's different if it's done to men" doesn't actually do anything to counter the assertion that it is discrimination. So, I'd start with "how is it not discrimination?" let's say they argue in favor of its necessity, or to merely counter your racial analogy with "Men are generally much stronger than women", etc -> okay, so, in your opinion, it's necessary, but how is it not discrimination, and if you must discriminate, what actions are you taking t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/25 11:39 PM
1

It's a very common motte and bailey many feminists use that unfortunately almost no one notices or calls out. They switch from 'this issue mostly affects women' (focus is the primary victim) to 'this issue often occurs from men to women (and men), but not as often from women to men' (focus is on the perpetrator-victim pair), depending on whichever suits them better. The latter argument (perpetrator pairs being what's relevant) is of course absurd, but of course no one seems to get that. If we we…
/r/EverydayMisandry28/03/25 03:47 AM
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this is too generalizing of a statement, according to a characteristic (being a woman in this case) that alone does not imply character. "some women", or "some people with traditionally female socialization", etc would have at least left room for consideration
/r/EverydayMisandry25/03/25 04:23 AM
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The disagreement on whether feminism is inherently anti-male is probably where this whole disconnect sources from. I can see myself thinking either 'feminists are oblivious and negligent at best, and extremely bigoted at worst', or 'any individual feminist is worth talking to, no matter how many bad ones there are' depending on where I sit on the fence of how inherently anti male it is, so I don't find either of you particularly unreasonable. There's quite a few comments under this post that tou…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/25 02:55 AM
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Just another example of repackaging traditional gender norms and having them embraced by modern day "progressives". In this case, it is cool to shame men into their traditional gender role, yet not cool to shame women if they are, or even actively seek to be, financial dependents (despite the latter being orders of magnitude more common).
/r/EverydayMisandry20/02/25 09:20 PM
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a bit late, but at no point whatsoever does the 'full data' you provide suggest that women "do seem to prioritize wealth/"status," but as long as their necessities are already secured(food, shelter, etc) they don't mind nearly as much" There are 3 studies, and to keep it short, All 3 studies heavily support that a tendency of female hypergamy is entirely a thing. This is also the conclusion of the authors in the abstract. Going by the numbers they collected, if you believe men tend to care about…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/02/25 05:55 PM
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I'm aware it's broad. as the bedrock, I stick to "believes men and women should be equal, BY primarily "elevating women to the level of men" GIVEN a patriarchal system wherein men in general are, ceteris paribus, more privileged." So, not simply "believes in gender equality". I would say "believes in gender equality, but does not believe in relative male privilege" = not a feminist. If you disagree, it is somewhat testable tho. just show me a subset of feminism that does not subscribe to any for…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/02/25 01:07 AM
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I spit out my drink, this was funny. It really doesn't 😭
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/02/25 12:47 AM
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Could very easily direct you to personally speak with women I know who are pro equality, and pro women's rights, and anti feminism. I feel like you have some extreme difficulty understanding that feminism is only one interpretation of the root of women's social restrictions, and to be for women's rights doesn't imply you must agree with that interpretation.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/02/25 12:37 AM
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Of all the answers so far, I agree with yours the most. Was kind of surprised to not see it until now.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/02/25 01:18 AM
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I think that's a reach to think there are some parts of the world where being male is a pure privilege, and not just half of a gender norm asymmetry like everywhere else.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/02/25 10:30 PM
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I mostly see people criticizing feminism, the ideology, on this subreddit (as well as conservative culture). Feminism =/= Women. This really isn't a difficult distinction to make.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/25 11:48 AM
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Women have always had more power and control over their lives than most people give them credit for, and men have always had less. That's what created both sexism and the women's rights movement, the belief that women are less powerful and in less control over their lives than they are, and men are more powerful and in more control over their lives than they are. Would you agree with that? Sounds right. I think to believe they are would require falling into the trap that feminism sets, the trap …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/25 02:18 PM
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No. I don't think people with more agency have "more power". the closest I would say as a general statement is that ceteris paribus, people with more perceived agency will have more control over their own lives, for better or for worse. higher glass ceiling. lower glass floor. I should have written "more perceived agency" here too, and have since corrected it. Let me think.. Okay, I guess I do think that an element of a perception of hyperagency is often actually a resultant product of more actu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/25 11:25 AM
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Malagency bias isn't about the level of agency people actually gave, it's about the level of agency they are perceived to have. Men have just as much or as little control over their personal choices as women do. But we precieve women as having less so we excuse bad behaviour from women more readily. I fully understand this. I may have phrased things poorly. I was on a mainstream sub and walking on egg shells a bit, as people tend to be a bit more impulsive around controversial opinions there. No…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/25 10:57 AM
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Maybe I find very little utility in targeting a movement that could barely even be considered organized. I've only targeted staple themes within their movement. Saying feminists think women are more disenfranchised in traditional society is not like saying "Muslims are violent". It's like saying "Muslims are theists". What do you mean by 'one is all logic'? If you mean I treat feminism as a monolith, then show me a branch of it that does not subscribe to the idea that men as a class are privileg…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/25 03:16 AM
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I would look into malagency bias (I have a post on it that lightly touches on the subject)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/25 12:12 AM
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Right? If I say "we need to advocate for men", I'm not explicitly involving people who want to advocate for women, (but even then, I am still implicitly suggesting their involvement, somewhat). But if I say "we need to advocate for men because men have it worse than women", I'm now explicitly involving people who want to advocate for women. Feminism is clearly the latter. This person seems to have no understanding of how feminism actually operates, and just buys into the motte and bailey of thei…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/25 11:33 PM
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Okay. I mean, everything about my mirror is something a subscriber of feminism would openly think. There is no shame for them admitting that they believe women are more disenfranchised under traditional gender norms, or that men were the primary creators of the social system we live in. Is this something you'd be interested in asking the people of LWMA their take in? or are you just satisfied with the inference you've made and may be superimposing?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/25 01:26 AM
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I think it refers primarily to the origin of the norms, and not who is currently perpetuating them (where it would be very often both) For example, 'disproportionately protecting women and children' would be only tradcon-coded, as it is of a tradcon invention, even if both feminists and tradcons try to push and forward the bias in modern day.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/02/25 08:55 PM
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I think it's a reach to say the status game as a whole is in general "much worse for women". I find that pretty dismissive of gender expectations placed on men, tbh. What exactly are you comparing here in your head? Women being expected to do what is "much worse" than men being expected to do what?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/02/25 08:33 PM
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I love this tradcon-coded/feminism-coded format. very useful for describing gender norms, as people very often don't distinguish between the two
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/02/25 08:19 PM
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You're right, but do you not feel bothered when a feminist might say "it's men who murder people", even if that technically does not mean all men?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/25 03:36 AM
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Some women. Possibly even the vast majority of women (lot of other men too tbh), but it's still language to be careful with.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/25 03:17 AM
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You agree more with this sub than you seem to understand ;_;
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/02/25 07:42 AM
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Okay, so, you seem to be comparing the reactions of two groups generally disliking each other, and speaking as if you see them as somewhat equivalent mirrors (non-rightwing male advocates, vs feminists) If I criticize feminism, you will correctly say they would say the same about me, so instead, let me just describe the two groups, as neutrally as possible, to leave it up to you on whether or not they are truly equal sides of the same coin. Feminists under patriarchy theory, and the assumption o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/02/25 07:33 AM
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I agree with the "maybe" at the end, and my anecdotal experience does lean in that direction. I also think that yes, it is probably a lot more common in guys than current mass perception suggests, and definitely also not taken as seriously as it needs to be, as ironic as that sounds, coming from me, with my other, more relative positions.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/25 11:01 PM
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They are absolutely also often seen as vanity for women with ED as well. I have a non eating disorder body dysmorphia, but even I understand why mine specifically is not taken as seriously as an ED (not to imply that it's a good reason either), even as eating disorders are not taken as seriously as they should be, and even if I do think mine is no less debilitating. It's because other dysmorphia's are seen as a mental illness (if even that), while the seriousness afforded to eating disorders is …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/02/25 11:35 PM
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No rules broken I'm sure, and any input is appreciated. My first thought is that even when shit hits the fan, I would not think it is social manipulation. that seems too scummy to believe (despite you saying it's a thing, and also my female partner saying the same). For example, if someone (male or female) spread a rumor that I assaulted someone, my mind never goes to "they're doing this knowing it's false, to turn people against me", and it would just go to "what on earth made them think I assa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/25 08:00 AM
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Thanks for explaining all that! I had slightly different examples in my head when I was writing my comments. I was thinking more about things misandrists write about women online in their own spaces, vs misogynists who do the same, in their own spaces, and not so much an example where a guy might be unfairly dismissive against a woman. anyways, was fun reading here what was on your mind for the difference yu were describing. btw, how did that conversation go with that lady?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/25 05:48 PM
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latter was straight up never a thing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/25 05:33 PM
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No, I don't think society was ever remotely close to what feminist patriarchy describes, pretty much anywhere. It's always hyper and hypo agency. significant but different pros and cons. If there was a mainstream society that had women protect the men, and also restricted women's pursuit of independence (cons of both hyperagency, and hypoagency.. like with things like slavery), then I'll change my mind
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/25 05:30 PM
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They have a perpetrator complex c': but yeah, I see it too, exactly as you describe. a lot. I mostly just included the "(female)" because the last point I had wouldn't really have applied the same, because it would be saying a different group is the eternal victim for male misandrists
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/25 05:24 PM
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It's called progressive because we've progressed to super conservativism
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/25 05:11 PM
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I'd guess because misogynists develop bigotry as an unethical reaction to personal experience, and them acting like victims generally isn't rewarded (for multiple reasons), while (female) misandrists develop theirs also due to an unethical reaction due to personal experience, but playing victim is very often rewarded, and they subscribe to super victim ideology that says they're a marginalized group that's been seen as merely an object to abuse, and they've been oppressed for all of human histor…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/25 05:09 PM
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I thought that first sentence was gonna end with " , it will never be okay to generalize a group based on traits that don't imply character", and was already completing it in my head, but then it was about how brutal bears are, and I found that funny.
/r/EverydayMisandry23/01/25 10:07 PM
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odd that they consider that proving their sexuality, when it's not like a lot of straight women don't talk exactly like that
/r/EverydayMisandry23/01/25 09:59 PM
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liked and subbed c:
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/01/25 10:28 PM
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I dm'd, but you can also write here!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/01/25 06:16 AM
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I'm so glad you're a mod here. Really do enjoy most of your input more than most comments
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/01/25 06:01 AM
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Well, they were half right about the rape culture
/r/EverydayMisandry14/01/25 11:38 PM
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Personally, I don't know how I feel about the male loneliness epidemic. I don't recall ever even hearing about it from this sub at least before hearing feminists and larger groups talk about it, which started not too long ago. With that aside, I do think the heterosexual dating economy is generally horrifically skewed in women's favor, largely because the facets of conventional attractiveness to be a desirable male partner are a lot harder to attain, and also less immediately/superficially appar…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/01/25 12:50 AM
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okay, well.. take care of yourself. I'm sorry there are so many dumb awful people in the world, and I'm sorry about my own comment being written a bit harsh
/r/EverydayMisandry11/01/25 05:08 PM
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You are my whole reddit feed right now. You gotta get off Twitter for a sec, for your own sanity
/r/EverydayMisandry11/01/25 05:02 PM
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Also very veeeery heavy on the violent male goon/thug and sexual predator male goon/thug tropes. almost 0 exceptions, and I watch a lot of anime. Anime is pretty hard on traditional gender norms in both directions, with the biggest exception is that they do have a lot of women represented in competent roles. you will often see things like an organization where say, half of the top fighters and main characters are women, and of their lower ranks, 3/10 are women, but as soon as they need to show a…
/r/EverydayMisandry10/01/25 05:44 PM
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Literally live in a third world country, and it's still just regular traditional gender norms here, with feminism setting progress towards deconstructing them backwards.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/01/25 05:29 PM
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What I understand is that at best, feminism may acknowledge something like women traditionally being expected to assume a domestic laborer role as misogyny ("misogyny" in this case being traditional gender norms), and look at men being expected to assume a wage laborer role and view that not as mirrored traditional gender norms, or misandry, but also as a product of misogyny.. so following that, asymmetrical traditional gender norms kind of never existed, and it was all always just misogyny the …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/01/25 05:11 PM
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I just don't see feminists as proper advocates of women's, or anyone's rights, so their opinions don't particularly affect me. If there was an ideology that asserted that only the male gender role is oppressive, and men have always been only subjugated, just like certain racial groups historically, while women are purely privileged over men, and people who identify as egalitarians are traitors, ..would you feel like you're betraying male advocacy when that group dislikes you for also caring abou…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/01/25 10:59 AM
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I'm not versed in social psych, so I'll just be responding to what you type, and not what you might be referring to. by "stereotype", I mean a colloquial definition, inclusive of both implicit and explicit bias. not sure if that's what you meant by the question. 'useful to life' and 'harmful to others' are not mutually exclusive characteristics, and I don't think anyone is arguing against generalizations over their usefulness, but rather their ethics. Ill be speaking for only myself here, but I …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/01/25 03:45 AM
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Literally every stereotype is harmful. A woman may be harmed by a negative stereotype that women are generally less competent, and a man may be harmed by a positive stereotype that women are more empathetic. positive stereotypes are just indirect negative stereotypes, and thats not even factoring how they tend to add additional pressure to meet them for the people grouped underneath them. for patriarchy theory, if 99.9% of subscribers of feminism, including those in academia and on top of large …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/01/25 02:43 AM
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Not just that, but their theory is rotten to the bone. patriarchy theory has a million shifting definitions, ranging from focusing on oppression and privilege, to simply exclusion from positions of hard power, to extent of influence, so I won't pretend to be referring to any specific one, but even the very best definitions of it, where it focuses on simply women's exclusion from positions of hard power.. that is a symptom of gender roles, not the source. If there's a gender theory that focuses o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/24 05:52 AM
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Plenty of countries do not have that much of a feminist presence, and every single one is harsher on men when it comes to sentencing. this is a trad invention, not a feminist one (not to imply that feminism is helping any)
/r/MensRights18/12/24 01:37 PM
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The first one is definitely sympathy, and the 2nd one sounds closer to sympathy than empathy. sympathy is an action, while empathy is a mode of thinking.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/12/24 09:45 AM
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I don't disagree with the things in this article being pushed more on girls than boys, but I think that to conclude that that results in more empathy is a bit of a jump. There's a subset of socialized obligations based on other's needs (caring for children or plants or pets) pushed more on girls, but couldn't I say the same thing that boys being told to provide for and protect people at their own expense also teaches them empathy, as that is also a subset of socialized obligations based on other…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/12/24 09:41 AM
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I doubt anybody is teaching anybody empathy. Self care, or even sympathy, I can see, but you asserting that "empathy" is part of female, or anyone's common socialization does not agree with my life experiences even remotely and I find that claim very dubious. I asked my AFAB partner about it and even they think what people mean is probably "sympathy". "a lot of sympathy is expected, but it doesn't feel like empathy. not a ton of genderized "if I were in their position, mindful of context" thinki…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/12/24 07:40 AM
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fantastic comment. I often feel that a lot of people on reddit grew up post feminism and actual gender norms are almost entirely foreign to them and all they know is feminism's mischaracterization of them, but this (while not exhaustive, for either side) captures what I'm used to seeing living in a highly conservative country very well. saved.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/12/24 07:39 AM
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it sounded to me like you were responding in agreement with the OP, so I guess I assumed you were arguing on behalf of their post's entire position, and I'm sorry if that wasn't the case. yeah, I understand that if the words are left ambiguous then it could result in that, but simply defining the terms better fixes that issue. no, I don't think any current major group or population actually pushes for people to judge people based on the quality of their character and capacity for empathy, in a n…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/12/24 09:57 AM
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I don't think you understand how the 1st fact does not guarantee the 2nd. it is plausible, and so a good scientific approach would be to control for fact one to test it's effects on fact 2, but to claim it outright is literally skipping the entire scientific method. also, neither of those things being true would imply that humans have any instincts surrounding them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/12/24 06:56 AM
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claim: humans have a biological instinct to prioritize women’s needs above men’s needs. claim: We always instinctively know that women are more important because eggs are expensive and sperm is cheap. explanation or research saying these "instincts" are present, even absent of socialization? I don't see it. maybe you see a research paper with a properly controlled methodology in your comment somewhere and I'm just too illiterate
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/12/24 06:51 AM
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I did ask you how you feel so confident in your observations, and give you an opportunity to defend seemingly unverifiable claims, but if you'd rather simply dismiss my argument and my questions because of tonality despite there being a clear avenue for you to provide evidence, then sure,
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/12/24 06:42 AM
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first off, I don't know what you're equating to "male privilege" here. considering yourself more expendable sounds like privilege to you? and how do you feel confident that these observations are explained by evolutionary psychology, and not cultural constructs? do you observe them in humans who are isolated from all socialization from birth?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/12/24 06:23 AM
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oh my god, that helps.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/12/24 05:20 AM
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So, traditionally, men are valued for their usefulness in ways that are both unfair (not expected of women), and constricting (if they don't do it, they face social and personal repercussions). The post for some reason asserts equivalency between those traditional metrics for male usefulness and a new proposed metric of simply expecting them to be empathetic, kind, caring individuals. why do you not see a problem there? The new metrics are not unfair, as they're expected of both sexes, and they'…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/12/24 04:28 AM
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how does this bioessentialist crap have over 80 upvotes? are you guys even reading? It has accents of sympathy, and is critical of feminist rhetoric, which I assume is what's getting it the upvotes, but the post's actual positions? -women have had oppressive gender norms, and it's good we largely reduced them. -men's gender norms are good for society tho, and for men, because men need purpose in usefulness. -men who try to liberate themselves from unfair, restrictive social constructs are hurtin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/12/24 04:07 AM
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I'm gonna get downvoted, but there's a couple issues first off, the question is asking about general trends, and given that, your answer, through that lens, seems to imply you think women in general are relatively shit. if someone asked "why is the birthrate falling in country x" and I said "because women in country x don't wanna have families with sexist assholes", do you see what that sounds like I'm saying? it sounds like I'm saying "I believe men in country x have at least a tendency to be s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/24 04:06 AM
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I think the issue is that the bar people have in their heads is very different. when normal people think of domestic violence against men, their mind goes to "but was he in any real danger? was he at risk of serious injury or death?" and you have to make a very convincing case that they were to appeal to them, even if he is being slapped hard, or kicked, and in physical pain, it's not enough. if it's women tho, the bar is "did he touch her with the intent to be rough in any capacity?" and they d…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/24 10:14 AM
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best post I've seen on this sub in a while. I do think masculinity and femininity are restrictive concepts tho, and my brain gets sort of confused when trying to talk about toxic masculinity, cause it feels like saying "toxic male gender role" where yes, the chosen phrasing could not be more victim blame-ey, but also, I'd say the entirety of it all is unnecessary and harmful. other than that omission, I love this post.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/12/24 05:20 AM
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I'm pretty sure that within traditional society, there's a pro male bias based on a perception of higher competency with things like being a doctor, dentist, or even a professional chef as well (but not a regular chef). things that would favor a perception of a higher competency ceiling. while pro female competency bias would exist for things where on average, women are expected to be better (but still expected to have a lower top ceiling) like being a more regular chef, or regular cleaner, or a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/24 06:55 AM
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no, I mean in general. If you have 1000 people who do mostly just domestic labor, and 1000 people who work in all facets of the workforce, and you are prone to generalize, then you will likely generalize that the people of the latter group have a higher ceiling of competence, so new things that emerge that are competence related, but will have a bias for the latter group (physics, computer science, etc)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/24 05:33 AM
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post feminism, I'd agree, but traditionally, I think men absolutely are assumed to be generally more competent at pretty much anything except things specifically related to the female gender role. Did none of you grow up exposed to tradcons? do you also think "men are perceived as less nurturing" is inaccurate? because they seem pretty much identical to me, in that they're both gender stereotypes that tradcons actually tend to think
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/24 03:43 AM
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not really. it mostly just felt like concern for my safety and well-being were fleeting, but the thought of that same thing the other way around (that how they would feel once I become an adult is whats real, and how they feel now when I'm a child is fake and hollow and conditional) did not particularly cross my mind, but I can see how it could with others as it well.. is the same thing, but looked at backwards from how it crossed my mind
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/12/24 06:08 PM
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I had the same feeling growing up..! I remember being 8 and thinking "if I walked in front of a train, any adult (even a stranger) is gonna do everything in their power to try and save me, but as soon as I grow up, I could be starving and running for my life in broad daylight and no one would care", and feeling the same dread over that impending change I recently spoke to my partner about this who didn't grow up as a guy -- and while it is still a sample size of pretty much just 1, of my experie…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/12/24 05:03 PM
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for: * "Misandry, anti men sentiments exist online." and * "Those are in online only. and will not affect you or happen to you in person." -do you consider it misogyny if a conservative tells a woman she would be happier fulfilling her role as a mother, and leave the career to the husband? if so, then it's misandry when conservatives tell boys it's their duty to provide for and protect their families, but don't say that to girls and women. conservatives and their rhetoric are not only online. (t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/12/24 06:23 AM
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it says neoliberal or conservative, because they share the common factor that neither challenges male gender roles or norms (which in turn would imply that they see no issue with traditional male behavioral expectations). an example of a group outside that selection would be non mainstream leftwing male advocates or egalitarians. It's like if I said "feminist/neoliberal women and conservative women both do not seem particularly concerned with a male only draft". Am I talking about women as a gro…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/11/24 04:18 PM
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it's also not generalizing men as a group, but rather a subset of men defined by ideology. I'd say it's okay to generalize ideologies, so long as the specific generalization is at least implied by the ideology. unlike sex or race, ideology is not a superficial characteristic. it is a choice and actually does imply character
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/11/24 04:03 PM
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so, the logic is identical to "I was abused by some women, so to work through that, I created a space wherein it's okay to abuse women" said with a straight face, as an excuse. am I reading that right?
/r/EverydayMisandry25/11/24 04:26 AM
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by this person's own logic, across all their points, other groups of people that have historically been seen as subhuman or lesser, should have been gotten the same privilege of having their safety prioritized and being treated as less expendable. I'm pretty sure that was the opposite of the case. Wish the guy argued back a little bit, since their opponents logic is built on wet tissue paper.
/r/EverydayMisandry24/11/24 11:59 PM
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let's assume women are no more or less intrinsically selective than men, and women are no more or less intrinsically horny on average. women are more aware of the risks they face with pregnancy than men are with their counterpart risks. this alone would make them more selective in the real world, and appear less horny. women are more wary of men due to all the fear mongering in their socialization. this would also make them more selective. I'm not saying you're wrong, but socialization from the …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/11/24 04:22 AM
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I know this is old, but I fully agree with you. revenge-ethics are so popular and they make no sense. I feel like you might've been upvoted in this sub a few years back.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/11/24 07:31 AM
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Um.. there is no singular answer here. there are lots of families where both parents hit their kids, only the dad does it, only the mom does it, only the mom does it only to the daughters, only the dad does it, but only to the boys, etc. too hard to make a comprehensive list of all the possible erm.. configurations and my impression of their rarity. I think it's a lot more common for boys to get hit tho, as parents who hit their boys face less stigma, and parents themselves are brought up thinki…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/11/24 01:45 AM
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thank you, this also rubbed me wrong while reading their post. Men are literally shamed away from crying, you'd think it would be obvious that there's not enough data to conclude it's biological
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/11/24 03:57 PM
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by pushier, I meant more prone to discipline/punishment for their kids
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/11/24 12:46 PM
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in terms of corporal punishment, yeah probably, but without that (and assuming traditional parents), daughters can often have a lot more expectation with domestic chores, especially if they're an older sibling. I'm not saying they have it worse overall, but I think it just depends on which trad parent is pushier, and how the kids individually respond to what type of pushing. with a harsh dad who hits their kids hard and often, then yeah, I kind of agree. it's very very difficult for girls to hav…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/11/24 12:29 PM
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I'm surprised the call to action isn't addressed to world leaders or politicians or 1%ers. Under the writer's own ideology, women, and by extension parents, have no influence on the people they raise. if they did, women could be held accountable for their own role of how gender norms are structured.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/11/24 12:00 PM
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in my family, me and my brother were very harshly disciplined by my dad, and my sister was a lot more harshly disciplined by my mom. they were divorced tho, and me and my brother lived with my dad, and my sister with my mom, so there's a lot of factors, but even before my sister lived apart my dad was definitely a lot harder on my brother and I. the most likely explanation I have for it: my parents simply didn't know how to interact with the opposite gender in a parenting capacity. for example, …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/11/24 11:10 AM
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what they don't have in common would be a much shorter list, imo
/r/EverydayMisandry04/11/24 07:54 PM
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I don't think any country is a gender hierarchy patriarchy the way feminists describe it. show me a country where women deal with the cons of hypoagency, but also make up the majority of the incarcerated, the homeless, the executed, and are the default population for conscription, like one might expect from a true systemically oppressed population and ill rescind my opinion. "In 1967, 29% of African-American men were eligible for conscription, compared with 63% of whites, yet the armed services …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/11/24 02:52 PM
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speak for yourself. I only ever advocate for respecting ancestral heritage because I wanna sleep with all those beautiful embalmed ancestral daddys
/r/EverydayMisandry03/11/24 11:21 AM
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extra odd is that according to feminists, by doing that, she'd actually be oppressing him via benevolent sexism.
/r/EverydayMisandry03/11/24 11:12 AM
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"Thats what happens when you allow women to top of a male charity." I really think that could be phrased better. Do you mean 'feminists'?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/11/24 12:58 AM
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3 if you count this one. My 5th grade advisor was a cartoon misandrist
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/10/24 05:10 PM
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I didnt say you must escalate it to lethal. I said you must control for it. you could say a scrawny unarmed man, and an equally scrawny unarmed woman. doesnt matter. either way, you need to control for the factors youre not trying to test. regarding the quote.. idk. it sounds reasonable to me. "benevolent sexism" just seems like a term that allows for nuance. that something can be harmful to both sexes in different ways. My issue is that its only recognized by feminists as a way to reframe every…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/10/24 12:50 PM
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this reply is.. not very well thought out imo. for one, you'd need to control for perceived danger level if you'd want to make an example of a lizard brain reflex, so maybe give both hypothetical drunks a gun. I agree that people would still react in a reflexive, biased way, but your example itself is lacking in demonstrating that. another thing is your statement about benevolent sexism.. something can be good in one domain because it is bad in another. saying "sexism by definition is hurtful di…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/10/24 04:18 AM
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this seems like it's reaching a bit with the asian part and trying to equate it with the cons of a perception of femininity. I think hostile racism just sees the other ethnicities with blanket negative sentiment, and so youll naturally have some overlap with the negative stereotypes that almost any group might have. I could say peoples perception with mexicans seems very analogous with peoples perception of lets play youtubers, because theyre both seen as lazy, but all im doing is going, 'yeah..…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/10/24 12:01 AM
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So, we're mostly guys here.. Can anyone ask women theyre close to what they think about this? I would love to know what they say about it. It does look really hard to believe, but hard to not believe at the same time. Like, I've definitely had a lot of anecdotal experience that agrees with the mechanisms of bullying described here, but its also really difficult for me to imagine myself, and by extension, other people, actually knowingly bullying like this. Like, its been beaten into me that soci…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/10/24 05:14 AM
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More of a bias than a belief, but 'women can never be fully culpable nor competent, and men can never be fully victims and are responsible for their own circumstances.' Also that men are more dangerous/violent/aggressive/predatory and that women are more benevolent/kind/empathetic. The only difference is that conservatives say it's biologically inherent, while feminists say the difference is socialized, but solely men's own fault anyways, so they treat it like it might as well be biologically in…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/10/24 11:59 PM
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Could I ask for example/s of proper use? So like.. rape, Id imagine? would that qualify, and what [else] would?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/10/24 05:08 PM
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yikes, if youre getting downvoted just for choosing not to practice the same behavior you condemn, neither mainstream MRA or feminism will ever be able to see reason. How is "I don't like being the target of unfair bias because unfair bias is bad, so I shouldn't be unfairly biased" even controversial, let alone unpopular 🫠
/r/MensRights02/10/24 11:21 AM
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Of course we can. I don't know if more women can relate more to the second quote than the first one tho, but I have no doubt there's many women in both camps. anecdotally, I saw more "I pick bear, and men should understand why I feel that way and do better", which is closer to the first quote, as it does not acknowledge their prejudice as prejudice, and even tries to assign the burden of correction on innocent bystanders. If I saw a "I pick bear, but I realize I'm using sex alone to determine ho…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/09/24 08:34 AM
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I don't think it does matter, regarding whether or not it's bigotry, and certainly not if it's about it being generalization, by definition. It might matter if it's about how acceptable, and understandable it is tho. it would be unjustified if it's not acknowledged for what it is.. still prejudice. If I had to walk home but was forced to navigate through a really seedy looking, high crime neighborhood, I might be on guard more and wary of everyone I see. do they deserve me treating them like pot…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/09/24 08:12 AM
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hey wait a minute.. aren't you the guy that made the patriarchy? (⁠￣⁠ヘ⁠￣⁠)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/09/24 02:03 PM
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I agree and think youre right. I replied to a similar comment
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/09/24 12:46 PM
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that's a good point. they would have to concede that it would still be wrong (which really, it would be) even in the room full of white people example. my brain just went to "what is something identical in abstract structure that people understand" (which I still think it is, identical that is) instead of ""what is a more perfect and representative analogy given their current understanding" In that case, given they would think room full of white people is bad too (they shouldnt. room full of any…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/09/24 12:44 PM
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I cant see how this is any better tbh (someone saying they feel unsafe around men because of their belief that men are/more tend to be xyz, vs you saying you feel unsafe around women because of your belief that women are/more tend to be xyz).. unless you mean you'd be uncomfortable with either, in which case, yeah, I guess its at least equal, if not possibly still a bit generalize-ey, depending on the contents of that 'xyz'
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/09/24 07:23 AM
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I could make the argument that we need male (and female) conscious egalitarianism for the same exact reasons. If I said "we need white protection because a white person in a room full of ethnic people is terrified", I think that says more about that white person and their biases than the ethnic people.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/09/24 06:44 AM
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all the more reason for a feminist to. well ignore until someone brings it up, at which point they then fault the victim somehow, or make it otherwise not their problem.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/24 07:07 AM
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There should be a women's rights movement, but feminism isn't it. There should be people advocating for men's rights, but does that mean we should be pro-red pill or black pill because they sometimes assert themselves as pro-male? People on this sub generally strive for gender equality, which necessarily means going against conservative ideology, and feminism is basically neo-conservative ideology.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/09/24 04:30 PM
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that didn't really answer their question. If I post too much about animal cruelty rage bait instead of actionable things to lessen animal cruelty in the world, criticisms of energy allocation can be drawn, but how would I be (possibly) spiraling towards being pro animal cruelty?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/09/24 05:30 PM
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oh, the irony of you thinking we're the right wing ones, apparently by affording women and men the same agency, is just too good 🥺
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/09/24 05:25 PM
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Why do thoughtful feminists even call themselves feminists and not egalitarians? Is there any thoughtful reason they want to associate with the group that generally advocates for inequality, proclaims one sex as the primary victim of inequality and not both, is an active antagonist against groups that want to advocate for men in any non self-flagellating way while maintaining a monopoly on the gender equality conversation, and blames men at least primarily for supposedly creating a system that a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/09/24 11:09 AM
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okay, so, a man slapping a girl is wrong, cause it can escalate beyond the woman's control, but a woman slapping a man is okay because they may be able to stop it, at least physically. in that case, we should all acknowledge the privilege women have to be able to vent and express violence freely, without needing to exercise as much restraint, and without facing comparable repercussions. we do that at least, right? right, guys? 👀💧
/r/EverydayMisandry01/09/24 10:51 AM
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I'm not sure what you're trying to point out to be honest.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/08/24 02:03 AM
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I glossed over "Why I am not a feminist: A feminist manifesto" and it's focus is on the label and it's use across the modern feminist landscape and it's popular adoption. I'm curious if you've even read it considering you're citing it but it says nothing about asserting patriarchy theory or any of the foundational premises of feminism are problematic, nor does it even bother with talking about the struggles unique to being male. it includes things like "women still face disproportionate amounts …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/08/24 07:27 AM
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there's no common denominators? so, if I were to say that patriarchy theory is the dumbest shit I've ever heard, there would be a subset of feminists saying they agree? what are they called within feminism? what have they done in terms of advocacy or policy reform?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/08/24 06:40 AM
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feminism isn't going to go away for a lot of reasons, but I'm speaking about if it should, not that that would have any bearing on any outcome. no one is suggesting it be a zero sum game. just like a movement that says male gender norms and roles are purely oppressive, but the female ones are only good for women at the expense of men, and nothing should be done about them unless they harm men, feminism is an obstacle to equality and understanding the problem. you realize that under gender egalit…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/08/24 06:34 AM
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"patriarchy theory" set society's progress towards actually deconstructing gender roles back at least half a century. saying feminists are too broad of a group and that they can actually be really insightful sounds to me like saying there are so many different kinds of racists and so you can't say their all bad, and some of them have very nuanced takes and are really kind to everyone of course we'd be angry at feminism. take any systemic male issue.. who perpetuates it the most? probably conserv…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/08/24 05:19 AM
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based on your link, nerve stapling looks like a (possibly humanitarian way) to serve the interests of society, and not the person getting stapled, so no.. I don't think that would meet my criteria. to be fair, I don't know much about the lore or how it's actually presented in the franchise and am just going off that short wiki page. okay, I'll disregard the children's case. if I an adult, had a severely compromised immune system, and so my partner would physically obstruct me from ever leaving m…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/08/24 05:53 PM
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great. however, people will often misinterpret you when you use the term, and also you definitely wouldn't be a feminist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/08/24 04:21 PM
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hm, okay, let me just summarize that for my brain, and also so you can check my understanding.. -social pressures and constraints are oppressive, but not necessarily oppression. -being legally barred from certain freedoms and rights would be oppression. -men, subjected to social pressures, would not be by and large an oppressed class, as they are constrained by social pressures, which do not universally apply to them as a population, and manifest only contextually on an individual basis -women, …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/08/24 03:49 PM
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okay, I appreciate you mentioning upfront your political values and how that is how you measured things, but I think 'denied agency by force' as a sole or primary metric of measuring oppression is not a very good one. let's assume it was, and all oppression was determined by it. so, only written legal constraints in law or in policy on agency, so that we cannot count how men are prohibited socially from traditionally female spaces, like being a stay at home parent, etc: who are some of the most …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/08/24 07:43 AM
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agree with everything you said except for the charitable concession. I feel that is way too common a position to just "give" to feminists, as it's easy to say India or the middle east is patriarchal, but not the west, since it typically doesn't affect the person saying it and makes them seem more capable of conceding. I have never seen any evidence that anywhere, or any point in time is what feminists popularly consider patriarchal. even in the most "misogynist" labelled countries, where women a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/08/24 01:03 PM
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if a woman gets discriminated against on the basis of her sex, and then goes on to murder their male partner/s on the basis of their sex, would I then say "The irony is the root cause of these murders are not misandry, but misogyny, because she's only violent because of the past abuses she suffered"? no. both are very obviously present. she would have been a victim of misogyny, and responded by victimizing others with misandry. theyre not mutually exclusive. the "root cause" is meaningless as ev…
/r/EverydayMisandry11/07/24 09:04 PM
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they said some overlap, and yeah.. I can definitely imagine a lot of meaningful overlap, even without the experience of being raised as a boy, which they never claimed to have
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/03/24 04:39 AM
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oh, I almost thought had a counter, but the calling for help I didnt consider. hmm.. you might be right there.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/12/23 08:44 PM
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This one is complicated, I think. There's a lot of relevant factors involve, but bringing them up only sounds like making excuses, even when they are quite obviously extremely relevant. off the top of my head.. Women probably have more avenues to release steam. In a lot of cases, she could literally punch and kick the guy with all her strength, and not have to worry about retaliation, being called an abuser, being incarcerated, etc. For a guy, they could maybe hit a wall, or themselves, but if t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/12/23 10:27 PM
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/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/11/23 01:21 AM
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good point. well, then another, better, realtime system. maybe just a two part (start point-end point) consent system, idk. Either way, the current system is terrible
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/11/23 09:28 PM
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there were 2 sentences..
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/11/23 08:23 AM
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I don't understand why you keep adamantly quoting a specific term I've never even typed. This is kind of too long for me at the moment, so I'll just address the end questions, and how feminism is even related. Feminism makes it extremely accessible. It provides a rationalization for women who subscribe to it, should they wish to use it. It publicly demonstrates it's effectiveness. It supports movements that popularize circumventing due process for certain allegations, it provides virtue signals …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/11/23 09:22 PM
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i mean.. no, I wouldnt, and I agree that it is uncommon, as a phenomenon, but just not within the domain of accusations. if I said rapists were just 0.05% of the population, that would qualify as both uncommon, but also an alarmingly massive number at the same time. I assumed you meant 2% of all accusations were false, but now Im not sure what you mean. If I were to accuse someone of murder, I would need to have an associated a murder victim, right? and your level of fear and concern has nothing…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/11/23 07:39 PM
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kind of sounds like youre suggesting traditional notions are where we should fall back on if someone abandons feminism. no idea how youre getting upvoted on this sub over that. theyre both awful
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/11/23 07:28 PM
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Okay, so.. acting on anger is not a concept youve ever encountered? I think I specifically mentioned spite. If I had an ex, and they feel theyve been wronged, and would like to get back at me somehow.. thats a scenario that just makes no sense to you?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/11/23 07:22 PM
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Im sorry. I'm not saying you touched her. I was just trying to inquire what could have been confidently determined for them to laugh off the accusation. But you mentioned even you dont know the specifics. Honestly, if she said "he hit me hard" and there was no mark at all, and the hit she described necessitated one, I think she should have been put in custody. She would be a danger to you, and it turned out (assuming your account is accurate), she was
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/11/23 07:51 AM
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Yikes. And if the police were so certain, I assume that means the accusation she made would have been one that would have necessarily had physical signs in some way, of which there were none? Meaning.. they did actually investigate the her claim? Even a slap leaves a red mark for a good while. Unless she just meant like.. a shove? hm.. if there was a violent shove, and you can see her getting arrested for the same thing, I would hope youd agree that at least to the cops, her claim should have an…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/11/23 07:22 AM
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That just seems profoundly unlikely to me. While I'm not gonna dismiss it based on my intuition, obviously, to say that academic research is very accomodating to feminist narrative would be an understatement. May I know the methodology for how that data was determined? Also, even with a good methodology, would that not only suggest that within legal cases, or otherwise cases wherein the information becomes public, 9/10 cases are true? So, outside of that (like people lying (or even being unfairl…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/11/23 06:34 AM
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Okay, I can respond now, but I understand if you don't want to. Now that I think about it.. the reddit downvoting (and upvoting) culture makes good faith conversations, especially on controversial subjects a LOT more difficult than they have to be :/ DM's are open, but feel no obligation. Upvoted both your responses so far, as theyre just an opinion of yours that you seem to have just wanted to have a dialectic about
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/11/23 01:06 AM
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I dont know why this is being freshly downvoted, when its a response to an answer I deleted, which may have been at least irrelevant enough to merit you reiterating yourself ;_; sorry.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/11/23 12:48 AM
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Um.. okay, I have so many issues with this I don't know where to begin. From your own hypothetical.. From lucy's perspective, they see someone who they want to invite to their apartment. No problem. Theyre drunk, but an adult, and they decided to be drunk. No problem, and lucy may not be drunk themselves. lets even assume lucy isnt. They then have sex. Lucy later gets an accusation against them from dave, not knowing wtf happened. That seems wildly unfair to lucy from what Im reading. there was …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/11/23 12:22 AM
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I think the emotively take doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Correct me if Im wrong, but "believe all victims" or "believe women" kind of materialized out of no where from Me Too, which I thought was about giving women a voice and access to resources to take down (albeit in a very due process ignoring way) abusive but powerful men. Think 'a small business who would want to battle Starbucks in court over even a valid complaint'. The "believe women/all victims" made no sense tho. Believing regula…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/11/23 10:39 PM
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depends on the type of accusation. Anything from nothing (I guess bullying if the accusation is extremely insignificant in scope and magnitude) to defamation to attempted murder.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/11/23 10:22 PM
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I dont know why, but I feel my last responses have missed the point of what you were trying to say. Not saying I agree with you (yet) , or disagree (yet), but Ive been awake for a while, and I really cant think enough to participate. sorry if I stressed you out, with not being able to think rn, and I do appreciate the input either way
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/11/23 10:01 PM
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It's a gendered insult used to insult men by attacking their metric of conventional value, just like how "coward" is another, and for women, it's things like "slut" or "whore" to the same effect. Theyre all terrible, but were probably mostly equal in their prevalence, and selective on how negatively they would affect someone. The most absolute form of gender inequality in all of this is that popular leftist ideas acknowledge them only for women, but not for men. It's all very ironic.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/11/23 06:11 AM
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Philippines, in my mid 20's The "two" (they're really not all that different) major factions still exist. Feminism, mostly in people my age or younger, and traditionalism, which feels like its more due to religion here than anything else, at least for the few younger people who haven't adopted feminist ideology, but I might be off on that. Was never a roman catholic, but damn is it prevalent here. Let's see.. as far as politics goes, I would say politicians are either shamelessly tradcon, or soc…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/11/23 01:00 AM
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So, women were seen as incompetent, almost like children, and in many ways had restrictions due to it. fair. Men were seen as solely those who could be, and had to be competent and in many ways had expectations forced upon them. Alimony, child support, without equal parental rights, selective service, the social expectation to be a provider and protector, the provider expectation not allowing them to spend as much time with their kids, not being afforded social safety nets, being assumed more da…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/10/23 01:23 AM
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Let me just say first that I dont really disagree with you on anything. So, Im still unclear about the part about LWMA helping women.. Okay, so.. There's typically an equal and inverse gender notion for every observed gender notion on the opposite side.. simple enough, and Ive been saying that for years So, since LWMA focuses on the male constraint, theres no reason it should not consider the mirrored female constraint? So, the way I see it is that examining gender equality is (As per the extrem…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/23 09:28 AM
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I reflexively wanted to disagree with you, based on how it was likely seen purely through the lens of utility, but I agree with the point of OP's post, and can also argue that men (in OPs post) are killed because they're assumed to be of lesser intrinsic utility, and/or a greater danger, and not worth keeping captive. Assumptions that are generalized by their gender, which I'd say is misandry In any case, given how it seems to be identical an argument, you have my upvote
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/10/23 01:00 PM
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It's alright. I really do appreciate you saying this. Sorry I got upset..
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/23 11:15 PM
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Im sorry, but this post is fucked up, and as someone with body dysmorphia, I personally kind of hate you as a human being. To say "the dark side of BDE" has just.. SO much wrong with it. -It implies the term BDE is otherwise good, when what it is is a term equating equating a meaningless superficial trait with a positive, thus further perpetuating the discrimination(absolute, and relative) that people with smaller members get. -it implies having a big dick is a positive. It should be irrelevant.…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/23 06:57 PM
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More than guys? guys who can't even make eye contact with a stranger without being assumed a predator? Okay.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/05/23 02:26 AM
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Was thinking the exact same thing. I want a discord to be able to discuss gender issues, with balanced perspectives, from a non ideologically feminist nor conservative point of view
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/05/23 05:07 AM
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To be fair, developed countries are only somewhat better, and still typically omit factoring in a lot of incredibly relevant information, like underreporting, due to socialization and court bias, and violence by proxy, false accusations, or whether emotional abuse and other more accessible avenues for afab-to-amab abuse might be at least comparably severe and prevelant, etc Also, legal obligation. Alimony payments, child support, men being resource/financially objectified, etc. Lots of unnecessa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/23 03:34 PM
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I do hope you don't mean to disparage house husbands. I don't see anything wrong with being one, and would actually love to be one myself if there weren't so many cultural and legal obstacles
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/05/23 01:22 PM
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Tangentially related, but If I was cautious and hateful towards a breed of dog, and generalized each individual dog of that breed as a potential threat to be treated as a monster until proven otherwise, and I was self aware over the fact, I would at least stop pretending I cared at all about equality of treatment across dog breeds
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/23 10:51 PM
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Have you even read the sub's name? 🤔
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/23 05:25 PM
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so, another 734 million instances of the "patriarchy" smashed?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/23 04:20 AM
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How would a conservative therapist be any help? They would just tell him that theyre role is a man's role and that they're lesser if they want to live according to how they choose, should it conflict with that
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/23 04:08 AM
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Feeling male and hating on men is ironically the most conventional cis male thing ever. As far as I know, men tend to have gender outgroup bias
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/04/23 12:50 AM
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GPT AI and system programming might soon be a boon for gender equality. If you ask it to identify a grammatical flaw in a sentence, it can do so easily. With GPT 4, it can pretty reliably identify problems with code, and calculus equations, and a lot more. It's not a stretch to say that in a few years or even months, it may be able to identify the absurdities in thought and research methodology tolerated in social science academia
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/23 12:44 AM
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I made a post about this several months back, about how they are both essentially just "assigned personality traits and interests at birth", and got 3 upvotes.. Well, at least people seem to be catching on.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/04/23 01:08 AM
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No, im opposed to popular feminism, just like I would be opposed to a men's advocacy movement that claimed that men have always been an oppressed class and all women are relatively privileged, ceteris paribus. I'm not opposed to women's equality, or a non-feminist leftwing female advocacy movement.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/03/23 01:34 PM
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Really? navy seals did a study that demonstrated that women cannot wield, aim, and fire a firearm? Or that they just probably won't be as effective as navy seals? If it turns out that only some women can do certain tasks required to be in the top 1% of chefs in the world, i suppose we should have no male chefs either, right?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/03/23 11:02 AM
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It's odd how the most popular stats on the wage gap are the non-multivariate analysis ones which ignore proper scientific methodology entirely. Even the multivariate ones rarely consider social conditioning. The gender that is 1. told that they should be breadwinners their whole lives, 2. will probably end up financially supporting multiple people, 3. should internalize it as a facet of their worth and value as human beings (and that practically everyone else will do the same towards them), and …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/03/23 10:59 AM
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We no longer live in nomadic or simple agriculutural societies where our genetic differences suggest we should be upholding inherent inequalities in order to survive and/or propagate. Rejecting male vulnerability while accepting female vulnerability is cruel, but may have been be better for us, in the context of us acting as a competitive species, where we may benefit from having a biologically expendable gender that can also act as a shield from the harsh realities of the world. That benefit no…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/03/23 07:49 AM
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Oh, okay! also, as to you suggesting that men should sort of adopt an in-group bias (a propensity to side at least slightly in favor of other men, even strangers, to level things out a bit with how women tend to do the same).. I guess that would even things out at least slightly.. I still personally think everyone should actively try to recognize and work against any tendencies they might have for tribalism, rather than just mirroring bias with bias (as that may not lead to equality, like how if…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/03/23 04:32 AM
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Are you suggesting that you currently believe that men tend to have more in-group bias than out-group bias? Because if so, there's quite a lot of research that suggests the contrary (specifically for men, that is). I'd love to evaluate my own position if I might be wrong here if you have sources or even just anecdotal information that runs antithetical to my current understanding
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/03/23 12:14 AM
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Does the alt right say men are good, even? My dad is heavily right leaning, and he doesn't say men are good. He says men have a role, and so do women. He calls me (disabled son) a bum for being a homemaker, and tells my afab partner that they should learn how to cook. I guess men aren't as 1-dimensionally demonized as on the mainstream left, but from my experience, were told were just different and have different roles and responsibilities (not that I agree with that; that something like that sh…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/23 12:39 PM
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Both questions are stupid to me. Both genders have always been "discriminated" against, and if we share the word "discrimination" with how people treated people of color, or homosexuals, neither gender has ever really been discriminated against. Some other word would apply. maybe "stymied"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/23 09:46 AM
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Edited my original comment. And you're right..! Thank you for bringing this up
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/23 10:10 PM
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The way I see it, is that (particularly in traditional, conservative societies..) there is often a coordinate gender inequality for almost every.. well.. gender inequality. If women were afforded provision and protection (a safety net), men were afforded respect, and freedom to fly or fall. Many men would have had wonderful lives if they were not cut off from assuming a conventionally female gender role, and instead died alone in the streets, and many women were unable to obtain the financial fr…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/23 07:37 PM
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Not really.. If you have the two base cases of inequalities and biases that women conventionally face, and inequalities and biases that men conventionally face, then I think you should be able to pretty easily apply that to the rest of the gender spectrum. For example.. transwomen are perceived as men by TERFs and conservatives, and - surprise surprise - the types of inequalities they face (being seen as a predator/excessive violence against them/etc) from those who percieve them as such are the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/23 05:11 PM
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Because we criticize the hate group that has a cultural hegemony on gender issues? We dont criticize women, we criticize feminism, and to argue that women's day and men's day, and the cultural landscape around those is decoupled from feminist narrative is delusional
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/23 11:28 AM
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I dont see the point in gender days. Just seems to encourage segregation to me. They were literally conceived by conservatives who were very hardcore into gender essentialism, and very rigid gender roles, yet we keep them for some reason -_- if it's to bring attention to inequalities, then 1. men's day needs to be celebrated/acknowledged equally, or neither should. 2. Why the heck have 2 separate days to evaluate inequalities?? seems to just be to stroke peoples egos for having a day to celebrat…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/23 11:25 AM
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It is complicated. Um.. So, I'm a retail investor and not a criminal law person, so not only are my thought unreliable, but they are outright likely wrong and missing many key factors. Ive been falsely accused of domestic violence TWICE. One by an old ex, and one by a recent ex who was immediate after them, who I told about it before, and they were smart enough to realize that it made for a very good opportunity for a double accusation, so I don't see a false rape accusation as some black swan 1…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/23 08:54 PM
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huh.. okay! This whole subject seems kind of odd to me now. I feel like theyre all unnecessary, and kind of wrong, but also why any space is gender exclusive is profoundly relevant to how severely I actually feel towards it.. Im just gonna back up from this.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/23 06:08 PM
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That is a good example! Unfortunately I disagree with the second half of your message, with a good deal of nuance, but its cool. its not some i feel strongly enough to debate, over sleep. But yeah, it was a very good example, so thanks for that
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/23 12:37 AM
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Not that I see the necessity, but do men.. have male only spaces? I mean.. I genuinely dont know, or have heard of any locally in my life
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/23 11:30 PM
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This should be comment of the year, imo. I've had a feminist ex describe exactly what you're saying here, and I didnt know how to respond to something they were so grateful for, but was so abjectly false to me (I tried, and it ended up with them weirdly going as far as saying "yes, children are treated as slaves"). You're an amazing humanbeing, and you express this all so well. I'm saving all of these for my own notes, btw, thanks ^
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/23 07:33 PM
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"Yes, I have strong ethical opinions. No, I do not think about ethics" -ethics in 2023
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/23 07:16 PM
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I agree, and youre 100% right about how they see it and and how they see it's role in how freely they can live today, but it's a lot easier to empathize with you, than feminists, because women were never unilaterally oppressed anywhere like black people were in america. They have always been an acknowledged, valid participant of society with different pros and different cons to their assigned gender role, and different biases and perceptions assigned to them, by almost everyone. Contrast that ag…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/23 02:19 PM
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average man =/= powerful person. Especially not in criminal court. wtf..
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/23 02:07 PM
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Instead of "they should have robust penalties in place for false accusers, and refine how true and false accusations are determined and handled, so that we can maintain both the fair presumption of innocence, and protect everyone" you go with "If the justice system thoroughly examines evidence, that would keep some people from falsely accusing people of theft, which is wrong, because some people really have been victims of theft! Why cant you understand we should put everyone I point my finger a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/23 02:05 PM
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Ah, the presumption of guilt argument. Nice
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/23 01:56 PM
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For me at least, the issue that I struggle to get people to be empathetic on even the most basic level is a lot more important than whether or not I can get them to direct their energy to a non-discriminatory cause. Wanting to think about empathy and ethics, and going to subreddits like this is like a hobby for me. Its a huge part of my life, and it sucks that I cant share it with anyone, friends, family, prospective romantic partners, etc. On okcupid (which I use for friends too), I remember we…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/23 12:27 PM
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If it's sex discrimination, but applies equally negatively to girls who share your view (i agree that they should be abolished, btw).. isn't "discrimination" kind of a poor choice of wording? Unless theyre both designed and employed to mitigate the harms of boys from people's biased perceptions around boys, then they would be much less discrimination than simply segregation, or maybe, asymmetric mutual discrimination
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/23 11:52 AM
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In general, yeah, but if it's their vocation, I think they'd still concede to their bias of thinking only male experts are "real" experts. If it's to do with things where women are seen as performing better, like in direct-care doctor roles, I wouldn't be surprised if they said it was due to their preference for women in those roles, and the effect it has on their comfort, rather than their trust in women's greater inherent competence in those positions. Similarly, they would want all of childca…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/03/23 04:00 PM
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Sorry for the very late response. this isnt the reddit account I use as my main. you know.. we have pretty similar outlooks.. it's just that the term "patriarchy" nowadays often colloquially means a system designed by men, for men, at the expense of women. I myself am disabled, and when I told my dad that I might eventually just end up a homekeeper for my wife, or help in whatever minimal way I can, he asked me "oh, so you wanna be a bum?" even tho my disability is extremely apparent to him, and…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/03/23 04:45 AM
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Yup! So much overlap between popular feminism and conservative thought (women lack agency, need to be protected, are only ever at the mercy of their environment, and are morally pure, while men.. actually they pretty much both have the exact same ideas about men.. except I think a lot of tradcons think men are inherently more capable, which sucks) The transition from one (chivalry) to the other (feminism/chivalry 2.0) was practically seamless
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/03/23 04:17 AM
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I 100% agree. The idea of the mainstream having strong ethical opinions is trendy now, which ironically means it's adoption is likely due to self-serving interests, rather than concern for your fellow human and a genuine interest in empathy like it should be it shows in practice. Mainstream leftist "ethics" mean simply having the correct virtue signal badges, and not at all thinking about actual ethics.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/23 10:08 PM
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hmm.. I don't think there's anything. Just like feminism, there is no one flavor of male advocacy. I think the best approach is to just look at the main issues that are largely agreed on in the male advocacy space (here at least), and see if you feel like there may be something to it all. Things like male homelessness, the empathy gap, male disposability, strict male gender roles, family court bias, sentencing bias, stranger violence, systemic misandry absolutely being a thing, etc. ..if you fee…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/23 10:29 AM
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Youre right about women and wives being somewhat analogous to a man's kids. Tell me, if you grew up in at least a normal, non-abusive home, did you feel oppressed as a child by your parents? The people who would provide for you, and protect you? it's not uncommon if you did, even tho they only ever intended to serve your interests at the expense of their own. It's not a perfect analogy for women (children have school as an obligation, which is to the benefit of their own outlook, while conventio…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/23 10:37 PM
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of course, yeah. But violence (at least in OP's questions context) is intention, not damage.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/23 11:17 AM
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the extreme ends of the spectrum are only as relevant as the extreme ends of environmental conditions someone might find themselves in. It implies nothing about amabs until it can be determined that gender is not just correlated, but causitive
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/23 04:19 AM
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anecdotally, as a non violent, non confrontational amab, EVERYONE is mindblowingly confrontational and violent to me. My exes would straight up push people they got into heated conflicts with, or would tell me how they wanted to fuck them up when they got really angry (things that im sure would not have upset me) I think the stigma comes from a lot of places. off the top of my head: traditionally, women were homemakers and men were breadwinners. when such a significant portion of the entirety of…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/23 12:59 AM
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only issue with this is that it makes it sound like strict gender roles before actually were strictly advantageous to men, when I'm pretty sure they were advantageous to only those who naturally conformed to them (of either gender) eg. Sure men were given more opportunity to be independent, but they were, and still not given the same opportunity to be dependent (as an amab with disability, this is a particularly harsh reality). Did you feel oppressed being cared for and protected and provided fo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/02/23 05:20 PM
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I don't understand the need to refer to gender roles as "patriarchal gender roles". Everyone in society played a part in adopting them, and maintaining them.. If youre gonna make it about men (for no reason), might as well at least make it about the majority and call them "disposable-male/men-as-utilities gender roles"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/02/23 11:09 AM
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thank you! surprised this didn't occur to any of the upvoters
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/23 09:47 AM
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Sorry. Yeah, their names cropped up even in the wiki page. Im reading up on it now, and them now. My bad. (⁠ب⁠_⁠ب⁠) Some statements from the wiki page that had me doubt it was any different (albeit, without necessary further reading on my part): "Equity in feminism is a branch of liberal feminism that creates a political stance assuring women's rights within or under the law" which, when alongside: "Equity in feminism is important because it notes that women deserve the same rights. If there is …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/23 10:27 AM
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I looked up the wikipedia page.. :c Ill look up more i guess.. I do wonder why they keep the name tho
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/23 10:22 AM
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well, then, united under the banner of 'women are exclusively disadvantaged as a gender, and equality means elevating them to have the same rights as men'. No nuance, and is just utterly delusional. "There are good nazis who let jews just live their lives as they please". If we're defending that ideology simply because there are worse subvariants.. that's a real low bar
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/23 10:14 AM
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Can you provide sources for the last few sentences? They'd be nice to have on file Surprised they conceded alimony, to be honest.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/23 09:43 AM
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Only difference is that one is an actual pay gap. I wonder if there's any data for if there's a height pay gap amongst just women?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/12/22 08:21 PM
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I would say anyone who plays the traditional gender dating game is exploiting the other. Do you not feel exploited when you need to pay for every date, and are expected to show your value as a provider and protector in order to just appeal to most women?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/11/22 10:25 AM
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Their profile also shows them posting the same study in r/pickup, because.. um.. yeah.. I guess we both love to exploit women? Pick up artists embrace gendered dating culture, while people here more or less reject it. I don't see any similarity outside of them both being primarily male occupied spaces Also, being born a conventionally "ugly" woman would also leave them inversely pretty unpopular with guys (assuming they're straight as well), even more so I think, as men are valued for what they …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/11/22 08:55 AM
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with gender equality thrown in there, they might just be very conservative. Would be great if they didn't assume gender equality and feminism were synonymous, so maybe they could have gotten some actually useful data
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/11/22 05:38 AM
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right? it feels.. narcissistic. I'm also asian, but if I advocate issues asians face, I don't feel quite the same reluctance, even if it's just the one's asian men in particular face. I think it has to do with having no solidarity. The feeling that anyone you talk to, male or female, about any discrimination and disadvantage men have for being born male will not agree with you, thus you subconsciously feel like it's only yourself youre advocating for, because other men don't even acknowledge the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/11/22 08:18 PM
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reading the 'consequences' section of the paternity fraud wikipedia page Hm.. don't know what you mean..
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/11/22 08:07 PM
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Prescribing hormones to trans people who've already seen psychological professionals as a prerequisite is also extremely simple. Must be extremely easy for trans people to get on HRT then. You talk as if this procedure being relatively simple implies it's available everywhere, and the issue is that men just don't want it. OP has never even heard of it. Ive never seen a clinic that offers it IRL, and certainly have never seen a department that caters to it in any hospital I've ever been to. You m…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/11/22 07:48 PM
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I'm not sure if I understand what you mean by "I'm absolutely on board with men being dissed for being short, and the pressures of male performance" Cause, it sounds like you're saying youre on board with certain men being mistreated purely on the basis of meaningless genetic lottery that doesn't even have any real impact on their ability to function in any capacity.. Even if it did, that would just be ableist, but you just sound willfully stupid and hateful, for no reason. Am I maybe misunderst…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/11/22 07:30 PM
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I hear a lot of people from MIT are on the shorter end.. not that that matters, or that I think shorter people are smarter or anything. Just tossing it out there to rub against the narrative. Also, the fact that people can look at a dumb superficial attribute, and one that is shared amongst a vast demographic of people, and say "better/worse genes" with a straight face just makes my skin crawl with nazi vibes. Imagine someone telling you that they don't date blacks or hispanics because they just…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/11/22 10:29 AM
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Not just that, but theyre a publicly traded company at the center of the public eye. Even if I was Sundar Pichai himself, I'd have a hard time making that call with the current climate of bigotry
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/11/22 03:22 AM
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I considered it for a lot of my childhood. I guess im predisposed to body dysmorphia, but still.. I live in the philippines and am already 99% percentile in height here for sure, but thats actually probably why it got to me so much. Everyone always telling me im tall like it's something to be proud of, when I'm hardly above alleged average height in the west. The comments really are relentless.. What's worse is that when complaining about height discrimination (to anyone) and it's effects and me…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/11/22 02:08 AM
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I'm amab
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/11/22 04:23 PM
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I suggested they split up yesterday. I didnt wanna show I was taking sides or anything, saying it was good for both of them.. Anywho, I think my grandmother actually plans to move out soon, since she wants him to leave, but she cant make him, since they both paid for the property. He wants to stay, because he still loves her and wants to fix things. I mean, as shitty as I can see it is for him, he has BPD, and so do I, so Ive also been in situations where the fear of losing someone you grow atta…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/11/22 09:06 AM
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Philippines. Extremely conservative, religious population across the last two generations. Now it's mostly tradcons, but the highly educated are either that, or feminist like everywhere else
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/11/22 09:03 AM
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This response is fantastic. I also have a fear when walking through bad neighborhoods. I keep distance from the residents, and keep myself ready to defend myself at all times, even tho no one's doing anything, and they are all probably just good people. The unfortunate thing with how things are for men is that the world is that bad neighborhood for most women, but instead of feeling bad about being so defensive over people minding their own business and just existing, so many of these women get …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/11/22 06:38 AM
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I agree with your quote, but not openly criticizing feminism. The second you do, people tune out and assume youre a tradcon or a misogynist or something. I think if you propose alternative explanations to the premises of feminism (patriarchy theory, mostly), you can argue directly against the validity of feminism without explicitly stating your position on it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/11/22 06:25 AM
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me too! so, my grandmother is incredibly kind to me and would tell me all sorts of shit she did. There was a time when her first husband was being an asshole, and told her to shut up, but she fucking put a pickaxe through his hand in retaliation. no prison time. no report. In her current marriage, she hates her husband, and she has the whole family against him. he has BPD, and he is one of the most calm individuals ever, and hes incredibly nice to her, and she told me she stabbed his arm and foo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/11/22 04:01 AM
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