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Debatethrowaway039474839/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 03:07 PM
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Women don’t have a set of “predominant preferences”. They do actually. At its most basic, someone who is tall with a good frame and has a symmetrical face, good hair, and a big dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 08:46 PM
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Are you red pill or black pill lmao? Every single day here in Italy I see men shorter than my girlfriend (5'5) with 10/10 women, who appear to have nice personalities too. It's night and day compared to the country I was born in which is influenced by American height obsession.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 06:52 AM
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Then you are almost certainly a man. Talk to some women about their experiences in India. "women travellers should exercise caution when travelling in India even if they are travelling in a group; avoid hailing taxis from streets or using public transport at night, and to respect local dress codes and customs and avoid isolated areas" https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/delhi/Danish-woman-gang-raped-for-3-hours-in-heart-of-Delhi-two-held/articleshow/28855234.cms
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 08:06 AM
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I encourage you to walk alone at night as a woman in india lol. You have no clue what you are talking about
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 11:50 PM
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Most of it is unreported.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 10:24 PM
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Yeah. Take India for example. One of the least promiscuous countries in the world, also one of the most dangerous to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 08:41 PM
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He wants to know about your subjective internal experience of love. Stop being obtuse
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 05:14 PM
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A young woman who wants kids and is realistic will definitely work and save money before having them. Like my girlfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 12:09 PM
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I have responded below
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 11:16 AM
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I don't think I, or most men, would care. That's also sort of the point of the post.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 11:09 AM
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Wat
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 11:03 AM
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No one says that though. In fact many women seem to like having male friends. Some exclusively
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 10:50 AM
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Idk if Ur a woman or not but Ur bringing the exact vibe he's talking about rn fr
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 10:35 AM
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Where is he wrong though lol
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 10:26 AM
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? Looks are definitely better than dark triad for dating. Half the incels are dark triad lol
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 10:48 PM
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Yeah tbh, I kinda agree on the children thing if that's your strong conviction. But the other stuff, it should mould. And you would be surprised how many women change their mind about kids as they age.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 06:56 PM
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Who the fuck said anything about personal assistant.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 06:55 PM
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Not really. Any men worth shit won't let his life derail over a woman's whims. Many men(including me) do this in younger years and learn it's a mistake. Mission first.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 06:47 PM
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Most women don’t want to be at home without money once they get a taste of earning a lot of it in the real world, you know. Good luck finding a woman like this. Every single woman I have seriously dated has wanted to be at home once they had kids. Some western, some half, some not. It's not rare. If all of the housework is done and we have enough money, then I’m happy. Bro there is fuck all housework to do if you don't have kids. Like 2-3 hours a day max. Seriously, nobody ever takes my advice h…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 06:46 PM
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Men will often get to know me on a superficial level, and I’ve realized many of them expect to basically “shape” the relationship. They assume whatever they want, that I’ll eventually want. They don’t ask me if I want kids, they just assume I will. If you loved/were attracted to the man enough, this would happen naturally.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 06:38 PM
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Women don't actually do more emotional labour than men. They just say they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 06:37 PM
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That’s not a traditional role for women. This seems like hypocritical thinking from men who want women to be traditional when it suits them best and untraditional when it doesn’t. Bro if you think unmarried women didn't work in the past you are deluded. I don’t control my wife, and you have no idea how much work she is doing and how much work I am doing. All I’ve stated is that most of my work is outside the home and most of my work is inside the home. You are just making assumptions. I'm assumi…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 06:32 PM
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If there's no kids, there's little to no work inside the home. You should both be working full-time jobs to save money for if/when you do actually have kids. She's taking advantage of you rn.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 03:35 PM
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If there's no kids involved both should be working flat out. She's just being lazy lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 10:00 AM
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Brother if most single men are inside gaming, the amount of relationships you see outside increases.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 09:53 AM
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Newton Leonardo da Vinci Einstein Tesla Michelangelo Nietzsche Darwin Mozart Marie Curie Van Gogh Henry Cavendish Bill gates Alexander Graham Bell Benjamin Franklin Henry Ford Beethoven Mozart Jung
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 08:04 AM
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Yeah, and even further back than that. Leonardo Da Vinci Michelangelo Nietzsche Einstein Darwin Mozart Newton Tesla
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 11:56 AM
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Lmao, every comfortable part of the life you live was built on the backs of autistic people. Every artwork, every technology.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 11:21 AM
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What did u say lol
/r/ExRedPill30/05/24 12:11 AM
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So beauty trends and subjective taste are utterly meaningless, I guess. The grand traditions of art and philosophy are just artifice. I mean yeah that's what cross cultural preference means.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 11:47 PM
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Read the link please and educate yourself. Good waist to hip ratio is an indicator to so many things it's ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 08:05 PM
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Id recommend going to Italy. If your face isn't busted and your personality is ok, there's so many couples with 10/10 stunning women and short-average men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 04:04 PM
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I went through Germany, Italy, Czech, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Greece, turkey. Nowhere did I see women fetishize height (specifically 6 foot) like US, UK, Australia, NZ do.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 04:03 PM
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Where tf are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 02:47 PM
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Yes definitely, but the 6 ft fetishism is definitely American. Look up masculinity trade off hypothesis
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 02:47 PM
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Probably just their ridiculous heels
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 02:46 PM
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They do, just subconscious
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 02:45 PM
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Hip-waist ratio then. I guarantee you prefer a hip- waist ratio of between .6-.8. If not maybe explore your sexuality a bit
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 02:04 PM
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The one exception (flappers) kinda proves the rule. Not to mention all of those things are upper class perversions. The normal person has always preferred a normal body. I mean even if you consider the last 200 years Vs the 2 million years homo erectus has been around.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 02:02 PM
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Not sure about aus but NZ definitely has more of a problem with it than Europe.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 06:14 AM
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The 6 foot obsession is mainly an American thing. I have been around Europe, you hardly see it. You see the occasional couple where the woman is taller than the man, and most couples are having the man only very slightly taller than the woman, or similar height. Plenty of short kings(5'5-5'9) with 10/10 women there.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 05:58 AM
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Most may not think about it, it affects all. For example. We prefer wide hips as men. This is because narrow hips had a good chance of killing the mother and baby before we had C section technology. Therefore, we think about how others would genetically effect our offspring. Similar reason why women prefer food looking and tall men when they are most fertile. Look at sexy son hypothesis.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 05:56 AM
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Handsome men are actually more likely to have sons.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 05:54 AM
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Over a third of women are iron deficiency
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 04:19 PM
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Being constantly tired isn't a normal state for women It is actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 03:54 PM
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Brother go gnaw on some rust it's 100% iron 1!!1
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 03:43 PM
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It's nothing of the sort. I don't think these people (bar Nietzsche) wanted any ego driven reward.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 02:47 PM
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Xd just cos it has x amount of vitamins/minerals doesn't mean it's bioavailable. Best to get it from real food
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 12:57 PM
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Potatoes and rice are far healthier than cornflakes, or any processed shit
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 12:51 PM
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Agree
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 12:48 PM
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It definitely seems to be a trend.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 12:47 PM
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Schopenhauer had like the OG incel opinions. Almost certainly autistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 12:45 PM
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Most autistic women appear well adjusted
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 12:42 PM
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Russell's adolescence was lonely and he contemplated suicide. He remarked in his autobiography that his interests in "nature and books and (later) mathematics saved me from complete despondency;" only his wish to know more mathematics kept him from suicide. Again outliers exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 12:40 PM
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Yes. it's tru
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 12:30 PM
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Goethe I am not sure, but German culture is pretty autism aligned. https://www.cliffsnotes.com/literature/c/concerning-the-principles-of-morals/david-hume-biography Hume was probably autistic. Also, outliers of course exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 08:50 AM
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10x testosterone will fix that right up lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 07:35 AM
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I think the extreme male brain theory of autism may hold more merit
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 07:01 AM
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That's what I'm saying. Having a girlfriend or not doesn't make you genetic shit. There are more ways to serve humanity than merely reproducing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 07:00 AM
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Lots of scientists and inventors and artists are fairly normal well adjusted people Not the ones who break history.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 06:59 AM
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It was a bit of both tbh. But mainly the second 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 06:59 AM
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Those guys were attractive when they were younger, too. Not always. Lotta guys only become attractive once they can grow a good beard, which usually peaks around 30. Same with muscularity. A lot of guys who were too skinny or fat when young get a better physique around 25-30
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 06:58 AM
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I'm talking like what degree of facial masculinity, and muscularity they prefer. Not to mention facial and body hair.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 06:53 AM
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The top % of guys at any given moment are always (slightly) older. (Apart from like 0.01% model looking guys xd)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 10:18 PM
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The ones that post there don't. Those are Reddit men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 10:04 PM
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Average guys wait until they become above average as they get older
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 10:03 PM
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Tall definitely. Rich, not nrccescary, but not a bum, and should be generous. Good looking yes, but what women consider good looking is quite subjective.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 10:02 PM
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Completely disagree. Many of these people are simply autistic. And if it weren't for the autistic, we would still be living in caves. Every piece of technology and art ever invented basically has been done by someone autistic. Leonardo Da Vinci Michelangelo Beethoven Mozart Einstein Newton Darwin Nietzsche Tesla Temple Grandin Obviously we have no proof, but I'm sure the first humans to invent tools, music, and fire were autistic (or equivalent) too.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 10:00 PM
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Yea that's a whole separate issue. But women are the worst consumers by far. And all of things that are mostly single use and worthless.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 06:10 PM
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Makeup, skincare and fast fashion is a massive health and environment problem too
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 05:50 PM
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Nothing against a sexy outfit, but keep it at least 20% classy xd Some of this stuff getting out of hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 12:21 AM
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There are a few, they just aren't pulling 10s
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 11:40 PM
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Not the same at all. The asshole guy actually makes her feel something and turns her on. It's not purely her putting up with him because he's hot. Whereas men literally just put up with bitches because they are hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 11:33 PM
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Women don’t need to guess what turns men on because it’s broadcast on every form of media 24/7. For many guys it’s somewhat of a mystery what turns women on. Most women don't have a clue what turns men on. They wouldn't wear trashy makeup and clothes and act aggressive and ratchet if they knew.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 11:31 PM
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The guy was pretty skinny and about 5'10 Blud is delusional If he thinks this is supposed to be a negative or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 01:04 AM
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Depends on the age of zoomer. As another old zoomer (26) my generation was filth, but I think the current batch of 16-18 year olds is less promiscuous. Definitely still a significant group who are though, but it might not be the majority anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 12:39 AM
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The wealth gap definitely has something to do with it. Climate change maybe. But yeah war is a constant. Doesn't matter what we do we are a warlike species. Look at how chimpanzee behave.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 08:41 PM
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Most women's income post tax doesn't cover the cost of childcare + commute
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 03:08 PM
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A 5+ year old is not a toddler xd
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 08:58 AM
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They died when they were older. I've got no problems with 5+ year olds being unsupervised in theory. It's mainly our modern world that is dangerous to them. There's no point preindustrial revolution where it was normal for an infant under 2 to be separated from it's mother for long periods of time. If the mother was working, the baby was tied onto her (baby wearing)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 07:30 PM
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I think they prefer power because it shows their ability to provide generally. Social, political, and physical power are all markers of ability to provide.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 04:22 PM
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It's not as low as 1% for one, and pretty much anything cross cultural is not meaningless.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 04:21 PM
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Cross culturally is more relevant than percentages I think Mr sociology.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 12:54 PM
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Why do the most attractive women have some of the worst personalities then? Why doesn't this affect men too.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 12:52 PM
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You don't need intricate nuanced understandings to know men prefer younger, and women prefer richer in general. Not all cases but generally
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 12:51 PM
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There's plenty of evidence for his claims out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 12:39 PM
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So that's your choices, not the systems failure. If you had taken him to the cleaners you wouldn't have to choose between work and homeless would you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 10:32 AM
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If women didn't have to work then chores cooking and childcare would be a lot easier xd
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 10:18 AM
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Furthermore, the GM volume changes of pregnancy predicted measures of postpartum maternal attachment, suggestive of an adaptive process serving the transition into motherhood. Another follow-up session showed that the GM reductions endured for at least 2 years post-pregnancy. Our data provide the first evidence that pregnancy confers long-lasting changes in a woman's brain. Can you read
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 08:37 AM
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that pregnancy renders substantial changes in brain structure, primarily reductions in gray matter (GM) volume in regions subserving social cognition. The changes were selective for the mothers and highly consistent, correctly classifying all women as having undergone pregnancy or not in-between sessions. Interestingly, the volume reductions showed a substantial overlap with brain regions responding to the women's babies postpartum. Furthermore, the GM volume changes of pregnancy predicted measu…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 08:30 AM
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You are completely missing the point. I'm pretty sure you are doing it on purpose too.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 08:00 AM
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It's not a conspiracy... There's no I'll intent. Just business. When you see McDonald's advertisement is it a conspiracy to make you fat? No. Does that mean it's a good thing? No. there are places in the world where unis are cheap or even free, because there are public services. I live in one of those country. Nothing is free. This merely means the taxpayer (ie blue collar men) pay for women to waste time at university.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 07:59 AM
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It prepares the mothers brain to bond with the infant. Other people dont have this brain change.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 07:55 AM
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https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/pregnancy-causes-lasting-changes-in-a-womans-brain/ https://www.science.org/content/article/pregnancy-resculpts-women-s-brains-least-2-years The study https://www.nature.com/articles/nn.4458 They even had a control group of fathers with no changes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 07:43 AM
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https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/pregnancy-causes-lasting-changes-in-a-womans-brain/ https://www.science.org/content/article/pregnancy-resculpts-women-s-brains-least-2-years The study https://www.nature.com/articles/nn.4458 They even had a control group of fathers with no changes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 07:31 AM
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The body count thing is a whole separate mess xd
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 07:30 AM
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Did u not get a divorce payout+child support+welfare
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 07:26 AM
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Its because the cost benefit analysis of a woman working post tax income at age 30 Vs the cost of commute and daycare doesn't stack up in the woman working favour. And obviously babies do better the longer they are around their mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 07:25 AM
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Because we prolong their immaturity by sending them to university. In normal hunter gatherer societies, children are involved in bringing up the other children and are fully ready to be a mother around 16
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 07:22 AM
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Just one thing : women have agency. The ones going to uni make their decision for themselves. It's no one else 's place to make this choice for them. They are manipulated into making this decision by universities. Which are a business. It's like if a pimp was hanging around high school telling girls how great it would be if they came and worked for him. They aren't old enough to make proper decisions at 18. Ask the bank for a loan of 70k at 18 with no job they will tell you to get fucked. Oh it'…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 07:20 AM
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Maybe read my scientifically backed sources about how women overestimate their fertility lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 07:15 AM
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I agree that women flooding the labour market is a low-key disaster, but that's a whole nother topic xd
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 07:15 AM
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This is what I'm trying to explain people. As long as the children have nutritious food and shelter they don't need private school, expensive trips and expensive phones and plastic toys. It's very possible to live off one decent income if you are smart about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 07:13 AM
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It affects the next generation when they raise attachment disordered psychopathic children
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 06:45 AM
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Yes,I'm saying all you need money for is food and shelter. All kids need is food shelter and love. They don't need expensive schooling, phones, toys, vacations etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 06:05 PM
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I think the issue here is women want the job and the money but not the role of provider. Women don't know what they want. They just go because everyone else is. And the high school career advisor told them to.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 05:00 PM
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??? How the fuck is that even comparable. Fathers aren't that directly relevant in the development of an infant. They don't breastfeed, their brain doesn't change with pregnancy, they don't create a mother child dyadic bond. The father becomes more important later. Maybe like after 3 or after 7
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 04:32 PM
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Ok, you value stem, and you claim to value motherhood… but you think it’s a waste of time for a mother to learn things to teach her kids or to set an example for them to follow. You think her only value is for them before they are school aged… then what’s her life worth when they’re in middle school? How is she supposed to tell her children to do well in school and study when it obviously doesn’t matter at all to her life? If you actually valued those important STEM careers, then you’d value mot…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 04:30 PM
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/phys.org/news/2023-11-hunter-gatherer-approach-childcare-key-mother.amp Child labour laws came from factories in industrial society, not agricultural society.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 04:25 PM
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And why do people that age live with their parents? Cuz they're going to school You said women that age need to have children, How are they supposed to have those children if they can't even support themselves? Finish school. Age 18. Stay living at home. Work in ECE while looking for husband. Probably get married around 23 and have a kid straight after. How much you make is literally the biggest factor on how well your children will do in life. So yes, money has absolutely a lot to do with child…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 03:34 PM
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This is bullshit. Revisionist bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 03:33 PM
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This is bullshit. Revisionist bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 03:32 PM
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People who make minimum wage don't have houses or even an apartment but themselves. How are they supposed to save when all their paycheck goes to just surviving week to week? Live with friends/parents. Like everyone else that age. Statistically speaking people with a 4-year degree will make 86% more than just a high school diploma. Which means they are in a better position to have children It doesn't mean shit to do with children. Money means nothing to children. The best raised children are on …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 03:20 PM
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Yes, and the infant was tied onto the mother. Baby wearing. Once it could walk It would play around the mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 03:16 PM
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I mean ready in terms of the reality of childcare and home life. Money wise she won't have h e a p s of money but will have some saved. Better than having zero income for three years and a debt if you study.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 02:44 PM
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That isn't the same. Women worked of course. foraging, and once we settled in a place, housework. But she was never separated from the infant during this time.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 02:43 PM
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Both of them should, because both of them should be productive members of society. Take your blind ideological sunglasses off. How is a stay at home mother not being a productive member of society? Do you not value women's work? Not, not at all,unless you think Women are useless idiots just by existing. Sorry,but no one except deranged far righters holds that view They can breastfeed, and are more empathetic towards infants than men. Do I think men are useless idiots because women are better at …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 02:41 PM
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It's not that hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 02:39 PM
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For starters, the wage gap exists even for women who never have any children. Yes, there are multiple facets to it. One of them is the potential of woman to have children. And no, they don’t need to quit, most parents don’t, and any benefits that the child may have from a parent being at home can also be gained by having their father quit work to take care of them, no reason it has to be on the mother. Breastfeeding maybe?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 02:38 PM
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Did you read them?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 10:41 AM
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But naturally, if women are going to have children at all, then they will have a wage gap? And if they are going to have children, they need to be able to quit their job for at least 2 years per child or its not fair on the child.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 10:41 AM
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Because someone has to provide? Money, or food if we want to go pre money, doesn't come from nowhere. The man is clearly better equipped to get money/food than the woman, who is biologically required to be with the infant.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 09:53 AM
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If you have kids, you should quit your job anyway. It's not fair on the kids to be a working mother if you can avoid it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 08:52 AM
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Yes, but it's particularly harmful for women as they are on a shorter timeframe to get their shit together than men. Biological clock or whatever
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 08:50 AM
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Nursing, teaching, psychology(with a bachelors), are all low paid. It's not worth wasting that much time and debt to get paid so little really. An entry level nurse is making around 30 an hour. Although after doing research, apparently nurses are quite highly paid in the US compared to some countries. marketing, project management, accounting Less women in these degrees. More in psych, nursing, teaching. Also, we are talking about the women who actually finish their degree. Plenty just go to uni…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 08:48 AM
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Women still go to school in my plan. Just later.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 08:43 AM
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I use girl to refer to a young woman. You know. Like what the word means...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 12:36 AM
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https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/pregnancy-causes-lasting-changes-in-a-womans-brain/ https://www.science.org/content/article/pregnancy-resculpts-women-s-brains-least-2-years The study https://www.nature.com/articles/nn.4458 They even had a control group of fathers with no changes.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 12:31 AM
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You were a SAHM? I assume not homeless then
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 12:16 AM
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In my country this is how it works.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 12:15 AM
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Would you rather have your career or children? Where do the priorities lie
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 11:57 PM
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Yes, why?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 11:02 PM
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Childcare costs 14k per child Women's salary on average is 30k 25k after tax Commute is 5-10k So once you have 2 kids it's actually better the woman stays at home financially. If married I think the man is taxed less too.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 11:02 PM
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Most women will never have the maturity to do this.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 11:00 PM
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Even if you don't work for 10 years straight, it easier to start find a halfway decent job after those years when you have a useful degree and some relevant work experience, and especially when you go on educating yourself/staying up to date in your field during those years, than when you only have done some easy, low paid student job without an proper education. Disagree, but may depend on field. Experience in what? Can a woman not care well for her children if she hasn't worked in childcare pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 10:53 PM
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Psychology degree and don't know attachment styles? Okok
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 10:47 PM
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School being free has nothing to do with my question. I'm asking you what the benefits are of children being looked after by their primary care giver full-time until they are 5. The links you shared state 2. Because daycare is expensive. That's the benefit. Advocating for longer parental leave is 100% more economically viable than reviving removing 50% of the population from all skilled labour markets for 10-15 years. Idk surely it would put wages up for the ones still working.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 10:46 PM
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That's great that it worked for you. For many it doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 10:39 PM
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I have extensive knowledge on early childcare best practices. Plenty of parents are uninformed. I'd say the majority are actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 10:30 PM
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Ok, so post tax about 45k. How much are the student loan repayments each year again.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 10:29 PM
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Maybe thats why Spanish girls looking for french guys xd
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 10:17 PM
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That's true, but why do you seem to think that being a good mother means being physically present 100% of the time? This is really not necessary for a secure attachment between parent and child. For an infant, it kinda is. Why do you think baby wearing is a thing. This isn't true. If it was, would that mean people whose mothers died in childbirth would be unable to form secure attachments for the rest of their lives? I think they form a surrogate attachment to whoever takes care of them instead.…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 10:16 PM
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Not everyone can succeed in the world. There are plenty of men who fail at being good father/provider material too.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 10:13 PM
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However you completely lost me and probably a lot of other people with your strange assertion that you can't be a good mother and work at the same time. I mean there's not enough time in the week to do these two jobs. Raising an infant takes your whole day (and night) to do properly. No offense but it sounds to me like you've read some literature on attachment styles and looked up some statistics and are basing your whole position on those. It mostly comes from a talk I went to a couple of years…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 10:03 PM
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Most degrees are not dependent on continued education and changing standards. What you said would apply to things like computer science, but that's about it. Nursing, doctor, psychology all have this too. Health standards are always updating. Law probably has similar.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 10:00 PM
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If you start at 18,you have 4-5 years pre grad,then 3-4 post grad. You are finished with masters at around 25-27. Wtf bachelors takes 5 years?? In my country all bachelor is 3 years. Lmao,touch grass,this ain't happening,even in actually good degrees. Youth unemployment is like 30% here,and people for atleast a couple of years would work bullshit jobs or a very very menial/starting position in their field if lucky,not a "significant job",and not anywhere close to funding a whole fucking family b…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 09:59 PM
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If it's really about completely useless degree, you would have a point. However, if it isn't a useless degree, it certainly is easier to find a decent paying job while having a degree and having taken some time off for the child(ren), than without a degree at all and still having taken the same time off. You can't take enough time off to have children without quitting your job. Each child requires minimum 2 years off for best outcomes. So young women should work with the children of the women wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 09:54 PM
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Because then you will quit the job when you have children, or stay at work and fail your children. Better to have a fresh degree to enter the job market after children. Women are also discriminated against in he job market because people think they will have kids and leave, if they already had them it will have better pay
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 09:43 PM
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Sorry but it's true haha
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 09:42 PM
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I said men who aren't educated or in trades are bums. Legit so many male jobs to choose from. Construction, welding, truckie, mining, forestry, oil rig, arborist. As long as he doesn't work in hospitality or retail.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 09:34 PM
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You have part time study options? Most people doing university, especially early in their degree, aren't doing more than 40 hours a week..
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 09:31 PM
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You have part time study options? Most people doing university, especially early in their degree, aren't doing more than 40 hours a week..
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 09:31 PM
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The infant can't bond with anyone else until it has a secure bond with it's mother. Breast feeding is very important for mother infant bonding. Breast feeding and working is hard. Ask anyone who does it lol. Maternity leave is for like 6 months at most. You want 2 years minimum for best outcomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 09:30 PM
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The infant can only bond with others once it feels secure in the bond with it's mother. Breastfeeding is important for mother child bonding. Not essential, but really important. Breastfeeding and working is hard. Ask anyone who does it lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 09:28 PM
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?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 09:27 PM
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I guess my first question is what that your whole argument hinges in the idea of giving a child 'the best start in life', but why? The best start compared to what, the average start? Are you suggesting that going into daycare is having some kind of population wide effect on people as adults? I mean yea, why do you think attachment issues are so prevalent. Check my sources at end of post. Secondly, with regard to your statement around the first 1000 days and breastfeeding, none of the 3 links you…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 09:26 PM
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There are plenty of marriageable men around, and you only have to be better than the other women around to be picked.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 09:24 PM
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Not much cos they either study or party of travel or all the above. The ones who save have plenty money. Especially if they can live at home and save with no rent.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 09:23 PM
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The American religious I find in particular just weird. I've travelled moderate Muslim countries seems much healthier there.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 09:22 PM
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AND coming home to put in 50/50 for housework and childcare? I don't think he's gonna be doing 50 of housework and childcare. Maybe an optimistic 20. Or is she supposed to pull time out of her ass after spending the day in class and spending hours studying? It's not feasible unless she puts everything else second and you've already complained about that option. If she's studying, then all her children are at least 5 years old, and in school. This gives her 8 hours a day to do study and housework…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 09:21 PM
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Men who don't go to college are either bums, and aren't relevant regardless, or tradesmen, who are decent marriage material.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 09:19 PM
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In my country to be an ECE assistant you don't require a degree. I'm not American, but I've heard from American girls that they make a lot of money waitressing so idk.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 09:18 PM
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You only have to be a better choice for him than the other women. Young is relative, I mean around 25-32
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 09:17 PM
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I mean that's great, but it's an anecdote. What was your mother doing? And what's your attachment style lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 09:16 PM
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If a man start uni at 18 he will be finishing his masters at 25? He should be landing a significant job with a masters at 25
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 09:14 PM
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It is true xd. I'm very knowledgeable on the ECE literature. Are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 09:13 PM
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Men can't parent infants the same as a mother can. Doesn't mean they shouldn't support the mother. But they can't breastfeed and cant create a mother child dyadic bond.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 09:13 PM
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I don’t know what “OE” stands for Overseas experience. Travel. Children are the most stressful things you can deal with. It is not just based on partners. Putting a young person alone with a child, which may cry nonstop, which will demand their attention at all hours, which they will need to protect and observe and concentrate on with empathy and patience, is a task very few young people could handle. Your assumption that it can be fixed by avoiding work is baseless. Further her partner is likel…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 09:11 PM
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It's scientifically proven
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 09:08 PM
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So?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 09:08 PM
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If a man is getting a good job at uni (masters/PhD) he will finish around 25-30. Women finish degrees earlier because they usually get a useless bachelor degree and consider themselves educated lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 09:05 PM
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If you study, get a massive student loan, quit job to raise kids, then the interest on it gets massive. Better my way.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 09:04 PM
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It's not that hard, there are cheap courses that get people up to speed for uni in a few months Who’s going to support the kids? How many young men are able and want to support a family on a single income? You have to pick a good man and be married as a safety net.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 09:04 PM
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Most mothers return to work. Moms that can afford it and want to do that do stay home until their children are in school. I don't know of any medical professionals that stopped working after having kids and I work in health care. So the only thing stopping mothers from staying at home is affordability. Yeah of course they return to work eventually. Just usually once the kid is ready for school/preschool. That's kinda what I'm advocating here. My own mother is a medical professional who quit her …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 09:03 PM
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Under two years old, his contribution matters little compared to the mother. Her brain literally changes with pregnancy, they bond through breastfeeding. Dad becomes more important later
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 07:50 PM
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Many men are looking to settle down around 25-30 once their career stabilises. You picked wrong men probably. Hardly an uncommon problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 07:48 PM
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Yes, but she won't have it while the children are young.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 07:47 PM
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Also, more positive outcomes in what sense? Emotional stability? Educational outcomes? Career opportunities? Overall physical health? Because I'm pretty sure the 100k spent on good schooling will provide better outcomes for a kid than taking your 2 y.o. to Disneyland 5 times and spending 100k on those trips. In all of those outcomes and more. I'm talking about having the child spend maximum quality bonding time with mother, and have perfect breastfeeding and nutrition in the first 1000 days. Dis…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 07:42 PM
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It is arrogant. How can you possibly think you have enough time in the week to work 40 hours and care for an infant to the best of your ability. Not to mention your relationship ...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 07:38 PM
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Will save some, learn very relevant and useful skills, and won't be in massive debt.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 07:37 PM
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From the bottom of my heart,go eat a dick. 45 year olds ain't geriatric fucks. Because you have the fitness level of a 70 year old at 40,its a skill issue. My parents were early 40s,and litterallly nothing of the sort happened I'm in my 20s and work in a job that has been scientifically proven to require more fitness than a marathon runner. 45 aren't that old, but when the kid is 16 you are gonna be 61. Gonna be playing rugby with your kid at 61 are you? Lmao. Holly shit,you are a proof why mano…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 07:36 PM
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If they work in ECE they learn valuable childcare skills. If they work as a waitress they potentially earn huge money through tips if american
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 07:34 PM
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Mom can work during the day while the kids are at school and be at home with them in the evening. Yeah 100% once the kid is 5 I even say that the mother can have a job/education whatever. It's just those younger years, especially under two. If someone pitched your idea in a better way, I'd bet a lot of women would consider it. Maybe. This is purple pill debate though.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 07:33 PM
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Then you probably should not have children. How can you care about your career more than your own child.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 07:32 PM
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They can change nappies and clean of course, but they can't do anything about the mother child dyadic bond. They can't breastfeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 07:31 PM
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Young people, in general, are bad at saving money. This is a fact. A young woman will not save money for children — she does not want them, they are not a desirable goal in her perspective. Women save fine for the OE in their teens. And honestly, a women who can't save while earning at age 20+ shouldn't even be having kids anyway. Regardless of partner choice, young women are more likely to scream at their kids/make impulsive decisions on how the child should be treated. It doesn’t matter who th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 07:25 PM
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??? Mate in my country you can do this even if you aren't married. Only have to live together 2 years and u can take half. If you are married, and you have no income, he is required to provide you the same lifestyle as he has been providing. Child support is tested Vs income in all countries isn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 07:22 PM
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??? Mate in my country you can do this even if you aren't married. Only have to live together 2 years and u can take half. If you are married, and you have no income, he is required to provide you the same lifestyle as he has been providing. Child support is tested Vs income in all countries isn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 07:22 PM
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What u mean
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 07:20 PM
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Finding a guy you love that will support you in your 20s is hard. Depends on the age of the guy and the woman's maturity. And in the US who is paying to send you to school? You, once you finish your degree I assume? How does anyone afford to go to school in US. And you as a woman will be cutting off numerous productive years. You will do this worse anyway if you study then have kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 07:19 PM
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Working in ECE and saving.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 07:15 PM
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How is that useless?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 07:09 PM
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I thought we were focusing on what's best for the kids, now all of a sudden that doesn't matter? It's best for the kids if they're in an educational environment where there are fewer students (more time per student for the teachers), that have a better material base that can provide them with more opportunities for extracurricular activities that can make them more well-rounded individuals. Vacations with the family allow kids to spend valuable bonding time with their parents, and they get more …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 07:09 PM
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The other person might be amazing but what happens if they lose their job, or get injured, or die? You are going to want to have life and income insurance on the husband. And what if the other person is abusive? Being a SAHM is great if nothing bad ever happens, and I too wish we lived in a world where people could just do that but that's not the world we live in. Getting married at 23 allows you to have a better selection of men in theory. The longer you wait to settle down the smaller the pool…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 07:05 PM
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Ummm it's a scientific study linked in my post.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 07:03 PM
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You're saying that if the father dies, it's worse for the child if the mother has an education. And it's better for the now single mom to just live off of government aid. Is that what you are saying? You're gonna want to have income/life insurance on the father in my scenario definitely. But yeah generally that is true. Better to be on welfare. Most women's jobs barely even cover the cost of childcare and commute after tax anyway, especially if multiple children involved. But the woman who start…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 07:02 PM
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At age 45, a woman starting to try to conceive will have no live birth in 50–80 percent of cases. ???? So A child needs a lively active parent not a fucking geriatric that's sad. You can't even remember what it was like to be a kid at that age.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 06:59 PM
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What do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 06:57 PM
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So you went past bachelor's then. You have to get masters to be a psychologist. Many girls just get bachelor's, which means their earnings probably aren't even a quarter of yours. Just one thing : women have agency. The ones going to uni make their decision for themselves. It's no one else 's place to make this choice for them. I'm not trying to force women to take my path. Just arguing that it's a (possibly better) option. He just flourishes in day care, never cries to go, plays with other kids…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 06:57 PM
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So why should a woman not study between 19 and 23? If a 19 year old woman is too immature to study, how would she be mature enough to find a good, reliable husband and how would she be mature enough to be a good mother? (To be clear: I'm not saying that a 19 year old woman cannot be mature enough to marry and have a child, I'm saying that those who are too immature to study are also too immature to marry or have a child.) Why take a student loan, and spend 3+ years with no income, just to have a…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 06:54 PM
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It's not poverty lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 06:49 PM
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Should women be educated at all? Yes, just later in life. Do young men think about their futures before they trespass on private property, rob convenience stores, or go 100 mph in a school zone? Any man who has any kind of career path, be that business, trades, or university is making a future for himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 06:48 PM
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1 are out there, 2 want a SAHM, and 3 want a SAHM with no education Many. I mean you wanna make yourself slightly appealing to men. Stay attractive etc. You know how you find these high earning men who are able to support you - COLLEGE. Nothing stopping you meeting college men? I can guarantee a 23 year old girl with 5 years of savings, 5 years ECE experience, takes care of herself, will have NO problems finding a man in the 25-30 age range.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 06:43 PM
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I agree that children need fathers. But having a safety net PLUS an education is better than having a safety net with NO education. Why? It's definitely worse for the child. they are stunting their earning potential by starting later. I don't think so. Hitting the job market with a fresh degree should be better. A big reason women are discriminated in the job market is the assumption they will quit and have kids at 30. If they have already had those kids maybe they do better in employment?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 06:41 PM
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How many teens do you know that save money so vigilantly? Why do you think she would work in ECE, isn’t she likely to pursue similar interests as she would in university? I knew a couple girls in high school who liked working with kids, but most thought it was shitty. If more women did this, then ECE might not be so understaffed and they would enjoy it more. Young women seem to be alright at saving money from what I've seen. Especially if they have a goal. Some people just can't be helped. These…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 06:39 PM
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Yea kinda.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 06:34 PM
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Gender equality
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 06:33 PM
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Tf does any of that have to do with my post lol. Sounds like I'm arguing with a boomer
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 06:33 PM
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Sorry, science disagrees with you. I understand that it causes psychological pain/cognitive dissonance to think about it though.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 06:31 PM
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Marrying for religious reasons at 19 is very different to marrying at 22 after saving money and carefully selecting a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 06:30 PM
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ECE centres being overworked is not controversial ...while female employment has rapidly expanded It's more to do with knowledge of infant psychology and parenting techniques. Heaps of boomer working mum's too.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 06:29 PM
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Clearly women want to go to school and have fewer babies later in life. Only because this is the narrative fed to them. Women generally follow what's socially acceptable. They dont think about what it actually means. They don't think about their future.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 06:28 PM
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It does matter how much you make. If you are making 30k and he's making 500k then you obviously should be a stay at home mother. Gender selection??? Wtf. Why do you care. health insurance, retirement plan Sorry you had to be born American. Truly. my husband tries to make ends meet on under $100k would be deeply misguided and ill informed. You just said your combined income would be huge before. Are you earning most of it? Tell me your income lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 06:26 PM
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Cool,that easily can happen with the mother working. Stop twisting stuff to fill your borderline fascistic ideology It actually can't. Read my sources. If the child spends more than 20 hours a week in non maternal care it gets fucked. That's 3 hours a day.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 06:25 PM
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Its not. Many women won't even be able to have a child at 45. You will be 65 when your child is 20. That's unfair on the kid in so many ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 06:24 PM
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Yeah there's a lot of people who would actually help their children by divorcing. all abusive relationships for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 06:23 PM
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My post says, women should have a child(ren) early, then pursue higher education once the youngest child is 5 and in school.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 06:22 PM
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Yeah, deadbeat are unfortunate.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 06:21 PM
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Child support isn't as good as having a husband. Neither is divorce or welfare. Insurance will only last a certain amount of time. Losing your husband WITH an education will leave in a better position than losing your husband without an education. Having an education isn't as good as having a husband as far as the child's outcomes are concerned either. Not really an argument. I'm just saying there's a decent safety net there if you pick a decent earning guy and get married. The answer for women …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 06:20 PM
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Why do you think it's a good idea for women to go to university before they are ready? A woman who has worked in ECE savings money for 5 years is 1000x more ready to have a child than Karen with her psychology degree lol. Many people who have kids before they are ready hate the children and make terrible parents Often because they picked a bad partner and have to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 06:18 PM
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Might be a bit of sour grapes there.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 06:17 PM
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If you are a stay at home mum, you can take him to the cleaners in a divorce. If you pick a high earning guy you have big child support and divorce payment.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 06:14 PM
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They really don't. Look at my sources. Child spends more than 20 hours a week outside maternal care is psychologically damaged. That's less than 3 hours a day btw.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 06:13 PM
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You don't understand the ECE literature. Stop commenting until you educate yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 06:12 PM
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It's a source linked in my post. It doesn't mean they will be thugs. It means they will have permanent attachment issues, which affects many outcomes in their life.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 06:11 PM
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Men aren't really relevant to an infant directly. Like I said, all it needs is the mother at that age. Men become more important than the mother later in life. I think the kid prefers attention from the dad around 3, and the dad's impact on the kid is more important past 7
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 06:09 PM
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The child has to form a secure attachment to the mother before it can form other attachments. This is uncontroversial, extremely basic, ECE knowledge.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 06:07 PM
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I asked how much your job makes. 35 is the new 25 It really isn't. Check the links in my post. Women massively overestimate their fertility. Look at how much IVF will be costing. But yeah you sound like your ego is getting in the way of what is best for your future child. What's stopping your husband from proving you to stay at home? Sounds like he's making a fuck ton of money.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 06:06 PM
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We have improved on some fronts. Lots of boomer mums would ignore their crying child to teach it to be quiet. Very bad practice. Now a lot of working mum's leave their infant in a childcare centre where they do exactly the same thing, either from negligence or just being overworked and understaffed
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 06:03 PM
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I think a marriage where the women doesn't have to work and stress herself out about who is going to do the chores /childcare sounds pretty stable
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 06:01 PM
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Either waitress if she's hot enough to earn heaps of tips, or maybe childcare to learn relevant skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 06:00 PM
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I'm saying a child raised in relative poverty (not starving, just not well off) that receives love and attention from a SAHM, does better in outcomes than a rich kid who had a working mother. Even with all the private school, university, travel whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 05:59 PM
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They don't follow my plan. They follow religion. My plan has nothing to do with religion. I'm atheist, and I think christians, particularly American Christians are idiots.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 05:57 PM
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You are a very outlying outlier. Most women who go to uni take like a bachelor of psych and get a job barely above min wage. able to do all those things I can guarantee if you worked full-time you didn't give your children all the attention they needed. Read my links, children where the child is in non maternal care for more than 20 hours a week (less than 3 hours a day)have really bad outcomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 05:56 PM
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Not relevant. I'm well informed on the literature here.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 05:53 PM
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So you think under 2s do better in childcare than with their mother lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 05:53 PM
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Boomers childcare mentality. You are actively damaging your child like this. Please educated yourself on early childcare literature and reconsider
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 05:52 PM
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Because children only care about their attachment to their mother (and nutrition) at a young age (first 1000 days since conception). As long as you have enough money in the household to provide a roof and healthy food, you are fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 05:51 PM
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They really don't. Children with all sorts of fucked up attachments these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 05:50 PM
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Don’t worry OP has stated multiple times money doesn’t matter at all in children’s lives. And if all else fails women always have welfare to fall back on. Because everything knows children that live in households that rely on welfare turn out the most well adjusted 🙃 Generally those mothers weren't married first, and have a lot of other issues lol. If you are married, become a stay at home mum, you have a lot of support from divorce laws, child support, and welfare. If you aren't married (no div…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 05:50 PM
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Women basically have to put their wants & desires once again on the back burner to “save society” (falling birth rates) It's more about women raising children without attachment issues. This also requires women to rely heavily on a man (like back in the day) and that’s not happening. Men barely want to pay for a dinner and most can’t afford to care for a family. Most women want to have their own money & career/job to call hers, even if it is low income, it’s better than relying 100% on someone e…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 05:48 PM
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Then where's the money coming from. Men aren't really relevant in childcare for under 2s btw. All they baby cares about is if it's eyes and skin are locked onto mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 05:47 PM
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I only provided like 10 or so xd
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 05:46 PM
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Men around 28-32 often want to start a family. Once she’s allowed to study who will be watching the 5 year old child she has birthed? The school system? Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 05:45 PM
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Post 35 is medically considered a geriatric pregnancy. I mean you are a good example of what I'm talking about. How much money are you going to save in the few years after your degree you work. More than your student loan? More than the money you would have made working instead of studying? How much money is your jobgoingto earn post tax vs the cost of childcare/commute.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 05:44 PM
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Breastfeeding is pretty fucking major lol. I mean we could argue how the brain chemistry changes from pregnancy but I'm guessing you don't want to go down that route. Maybe men should be forced to stay home with their wife and kid because what is REALLY gonna insure the kid is well, is having two people caring for them. I agree, and would love for society to allow this, but my post is more about what women can do as individuals. This would require massive changes to society.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 05:42 PM
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This is a correlation not a causation.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 05:40 PM
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Yes, that's why I'm saying that they should wait until their youngest child is at school before pursuing higher education.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 05:40 PM
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I mean, it's best for the children if both parents have enough time to spend with them, I'd be down for some policy that provides families with enough money to live a comfortable life and limits the amount of working hours for both parents. That would be best for the children and their parents. 10000000000% agree. I'm talking about what women can do as individuals here however. I'd love to live in a society like you described. While I do agree that parents should do what's best for their childre…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 05:39 PM
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You are American unfortunately, so braces are very expensive for you. If you give your child more love in the first 1000 days, chances are they wont need tutoring. Like seriously, what happens in the first 1000 days regarding attachment and nutrition is more impactful than what school/uni they go to for life outcomes. Also, if you had 100k to spend on your kids education, it's actually best spent at the youngest age. Most parents would think university surely, but actually getting the best presc…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 05:37 PM
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Sorry, recognise is wrong word. Maybe care is the right word. Babies need to have a secure attachment to the mother before they can start going off and interacting with anyone else. This takes usually around 2 years. Some before, some after.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 05:34 PM
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Sorry, recognise is wrong word. Maybe care is the right word. Babies need to have a secure attachment to the mother before they can start going off and interacting with anyone else. This takes usually around 2 years. Some before, some after.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 05:34 PM
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Even if you want to be a stay at home mom, you should have an education to fall back on incase times get tough and you need to work or your husband dies in an accident or leaves. Divorce, child support, welfare, insurance. The idea of getting married, having kids and THEN going to college is worth thinking about. Like anything, it will have it's pros and cons. Thanks for being the first person to actually consider the idea lol. As for making dating easier, those women are pricing themselves out …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 05:30 PM
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Men should go to uni, then have their baby once they have the income to support the mother staying at home (so around 28-32 probably idk) Or go into a trade, and once they finish apprenticeship and become qualified.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 05:28 PM
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I’m surrounded by working mothers with careers who mostly had children later and trust me what we can offer our kids is vastly superior than what we could offer had we pushed off education and careers until later in life. Trust me, it's a misconception. Money doesn't mean shit to your kids. Getting the best outcomes for your children involved being there for them, playing with them, eye contact, breast feeding, and talking to them. Fostering a secure mother child dyadic bond. This is research ba…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 05:27 PM
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Why not? Being a GOOD mother takes more time than a full-time job. There's simply not enough time in the day to give children the attention they need from their mother and work a job. This shouldn't be a controversial take lmao. Yes, the reality that everybody works, there are no free rides. Having a provider husband is not a free ride. There is a lot of work involved in child rearing. Explain to me how children are being harmed observing their mothers do the most basic fucking thing in the worl…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 05:24 PM
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No, they get married for religious reasons and with poor partner selection, then have babies without planning or saving because contraception is evil. Completely different than my ideas
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 05:21 PM
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The father becomes MORE important than the mother around 7. Of course he is important before 7 too, just not as much as the mother. Again how many children do you have? I would like to know how much extensive child rearing you’ve done to come to these conclusions. Not relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 05:20 PM
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Having a baby at 45 is not best situation possible lmfao.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 05:18 PM
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Money means nothing to your children's life above providing food and shelter.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 05:18 PM
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If they value this more than having kids. No problem. Just don't have kids. If you decide to have kids, then they should come first over everything else. Fuck the career. That's another life.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 05:03 PM
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? 77c on the dollar?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 05:01 PM
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Baby want you to play with it and stare into it eyes, not phone/laptop. But yes obviously remote work, particularly part time remote work is a really good option for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 05:01 PM
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This is scientifically backed. How many sources do you have?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 05:00 PM
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That's an single person. On average, women's careers aren't well paid. It's literally a feminist talking point.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 04:59 PM
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Woman average income US: 30k Post tax 24k Yearly cost of infant childcare per child 14k Work commute 5-10k ??? Make it make sense. They can both work before they have kids. Instead of getting a degree, work and save money, would help a lot more.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 04:58 PM
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Agree. Absolutely ideological and 0 thinking take to consider childless tax.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 04:54 PM
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That's because the only people who get married before 25 are naive trad religious idiots.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 04:49 PM
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Yes if we lived like hunter gatherers I agree. Women's contribution to childcare is vastly more important than mans in the first 2 years however. The baby can't even recognise anything except it's mother at this age. The father becomes more important around age 7. But fathers are a separate discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 04:48 PM
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It's not lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 04:47 PM
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They are allowed to work. Women's "careers" aren't even that well paid most of the time. Not that many become doctors. They go do a bachelor of psych and go into support work or HR making just over min wage (in my country at least) They would have increased financial independence If they followed my plan. Work in a (possibly childcare) job while dating sensibly looking for a partner. Save all money while doing this. Get married and have their kids around 20-25. Man is the sole provider once she …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 04:47 PM
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There are multiple concerns. Women's choices don't seem to align with what they actually want in this area. This isn't a birthrate post so much as quality of child rearing. But women accidentally leaving kids too late and becoming infertile is sadly happening too.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 04:42 PM
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They should have autonomy of course. I'm just saying that maybe the way I line out in my post is better for them. Average woman's post tax salary minus childcare costs + commute doesn't add up btw.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 04:40 PM
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? Read my post. I think women should have kids early, at their highest fertility, then go to university once the youngest is 5 and at school. This would boost birth rate
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 04:39 PM
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Every generation has teenagers who say they are never gonna have kids. It changes at 30 baby fever is real
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 04:39 PM
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She stayed at home btw. Quit her job for this exact reason I'm saying. No regrets. Many working mothers have frustrations and regrets.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 04:34 PM
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Yeah but those choices affect the children. Should the father be allowed to make his choice to beat his children? It's his choice after all. To be an alcoholic? It's his choice Our choices affect others.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 04:33 PM
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It's not besides the point. People dont naturally age that well except very rare cases. Definitely not celebrity.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 04:32 PM
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I don't think women should be forced to do anything. But if they CHOOSE to have children they should be "forced" to do the best for them. Which means staying at home. Children aren't a women's right. They are another life. If your financial/marriage situation won't let you stay at home with your kids at least for the first 2 years, don't have them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 04:32 PM
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Uhhh that's a study on Iranian engineering students. You can't say women are happy because Iranian engineering student women are happy lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 04:30 PM
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If they don't want kids its fine, get a career. If they choose to be a working mum they aren't mature enough to have children IMO. You can't do both. Pick one and excel at it. Children, and being a working mum aren't personality traits, they are your children's reality. It's sick to intentionally hurt your children like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 04:27 PM
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Blud you just listed a bunch of Botox and plastic surgery celebs
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 04:25 PM
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https://www.google.com/search?q=women+and+men+neuroticism&oq=women+and+men+neuroticism&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCDM4NTFqMGo5qAIOsAIB&client=ms-android-oppo-rev1&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8 Women higher neuroticism than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 04:21 PM
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No they arent wishing they were cheating. They arent aware of the fact that they would cheat, or find it very hard not to, if the opportunity presented itself. Because of this ignorance, they think themselves moral. It's like someone who has never been on opiates saying they wouldn't get addicted if it was prescribed to them. They simply have no experience, and think they are morally better than those who do get addicted, even though 99% chance same would happen to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 10:43 AM
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Obviously. That's the point I'm making. Nice guys with no options who think they would never cheat because they have never had the opportunity to do so are unattractive
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 09:21 AM
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I mean somewhat. Many people who think they would never cheat have never had the opportunity open up on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 08:42 AM
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