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Of course, but we weren't discussing abuse towards girls and how that impacts thier ability to attract potential partners. So I kept to the topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 10:35 AM
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Mothers that use conditional love to enforce their dominance on young boys. This is the worst one, it teaches those boys, that womens love has to be earned by grovelling to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 09:37 AM
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Why don't the women take that initiative?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 10:57 AM
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No, he is figuring them out. Women break up with men all the time, if they are not compatible in bed. Nobody has ever told a guy, if your not good at the sex I want, I will break up with you. You can argue that there is a better way to do things, but this is the way most people do things, and his point that there is a gender discrepancy in how it's framed is legit.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 09:44 AM
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That is still his perogative, I dont get the argument here. Does he or doesnt he have the right to break up with these women, without being accused of using them?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 07:00 AM
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I was litterally the type of man on the lookout, not to end up in a rebound relationship because of this. I dont care what women do, just dont bring your rebound to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:17 PM
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If a woman likes skinny men, she is not thinking noodle arms is she? She probably is happy with his arms. Or whatever else she likes about that build. Stop projecting your feelings onto others.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:45 AM
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As a former skinny man, this is just not true, Yes a lot of fat women were interested. But I never had to date a fat woman. Ended up getting together with plenty of decent looking slim women. And also had many of them interested in something with me. In fact plenty of women like skinny men, but it also depends on your overall frame.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:21 AM
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That might be true today, but girls absolutely intended to pull guys, when going out. Not every single one, but lots of girls certainly went out knowing that was part of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 08:58 AM
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Lots of people I know got together from pulling on a night out.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 11:39 PM
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Okay, ill bite, she is not wrong, and neither are you. I was a avid club goer when I was young, same height at you, and also south asian. And you are to an extent correct, yet there were not apps back then. Its still was a great time, going out, having fun with friends, pulling women was not the main event, that was a bonus. Having that mindset, would mean not wanting to go out, I was there for a fun time with friends, and I liked dancing. And in the end, I actually pulled a fair amount. And hon…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 11:37 PM
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Please define successful according to what you would consider, for it to be true. Then we can argue, whether most marriages fall within that or not. Also successful for whom, the man or the woman or both?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 06:03 AM
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Even friendships involve people of similar economic status, and attractiveness. We like to be equals in all types of relaitionships.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 06:43 AM
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The people that ignore this kind of tripe, will send their genes into the future. The people who accept and follow it, will not. Thats all there is too it. I wonder who benefits? As for dating itself. There is a huge difference between, having dated in the past, taking a break, or deciding that its not for you. And never having had the chance to even experience what its like to date another human being. Feeling like a loser with the last situation makes far more sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 06:27 AM
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As a guy, its not just the most amount of sex, but people do like to have options in who they choose. And if you can have more people interested in dating you, you can then decide what type of person is the right type for you. If you only appeal to one type of person, and then realise, that type of person is not the type that you like. Then what?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 07:33 PM
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This is exactly the right answer. As a guy that didnt get past the quick to sex, and then nothing stage with a fair few women. And for my relationships, I was the really good choice for a long term relationship. It just depends on the person. And also I think some women, disqualify themselves, before they give a chance for you to do it. I would always get a second date, with them more conventionally attractive girls. But this was when I was quite young. Back then I thought, I was simply to unatt…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 08:47 AM
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Its not easy to reach conclusions with these stats, as the keep changing with generations. Women are quickly catching up on how much they cheat, in the stats logs anyway. They just havent aged into their 40s and 50s yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 01:18 PM
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The amount of married and taken women over the years who start staring and talking when a hot man walks into a room, maybe indicates, that life is more complex than this post is trying to make it out to be. In fact this behaviour is so normalised that it happens infront of the womens own partners. Yet, all of those women will argue that they are attracted to their man for who he is. That they don't care about looks, oh how virtous they all are. Human beings are not angels, but romantic love and …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 01:06 PM
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Honestly, after 23 years together, we have both felt both of these feelings at different points of our lives, either because we were feeling insecure, mood swings in the moment or just generally going through some sort of phase. But if we sat down, we could start making arguments about each case, and never come to an understanding, apart from, we both had some pretty wild thoughts about what the other person was like, at different times. Things are rarely just one or the other, over a stretch of…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 08:34 AM
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Not any pill here, but on this specific topic, its not when a woman claims she doesnt want a man that this is said. Its usually said in response to the statement, that if we kill off all men, the world would be a better place.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 06:10 AM
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Most men are not that weak at the age of 55-60. As a 45 year old man, I have enough older people around me to know that this is just not the case, even in age gap relationships. Most men and most women are generally fairly weak, with the women being weaker. Unless one of them work on their strength regularly. Difference is still there.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 07:23 AM
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Thats not very nice thing to say about women, Regardless of what they look, talk or act like. I always see a full woman or a full man or whatever gender they prefer to be called by. I dont like to make a call of how somebody feels about their own life.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 07:13 AM
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On average, maybe. But depends on the person. In my family, I am the more emotionally available parent, and tend to be the person to walk and talk through difficult emotions. My wife struggles with this, but is very good at looking out for their practical needs. Doesnt mean neither of us ever do the other thing. Just where our strengths are. I'm also better at going to all their appointments with them, because I have a tendency to ask more questions and get more detailed responses. Also I'm not …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 07:05 AM
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Question then becomes, are women hypergamous or are men creating a situation where this type of union us tempting. As if rich women started dating men for pure looks, would good looking men, date ugly rich women for the lifestyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 07:59 AM
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Not that I am single, but I have never felt insecure about a woman making more money than me. I would even encourage it. But this is not gender specific. I dont want friends or relationship with people who chase status through occupation. Those things are boring to me. Its what you enjoy outside of that, is what makes me connect with you. Because your work and status is not a world I am interested in being part of. If a person is fun to be around, that is what makes it worth it for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 12:53 PM
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I'm a leftist communist/socialist when it comes to economics. For social politics, I pick and choose my views based on what I think is most appropriate for the time and place. They are not both one and the same. In fact, I think its the capitalist class which has heavily infiltrated both sides, and tried to pit social policy against social policy, reframing this as the battle between right and left. So that economics largely remains untouched or actively voted against the interests of the poor w…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 09:03 AM
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Its not being a nice person that is a problem for attracting women. Its being accomodating, which is the problem. Assholes are not accomodating, "Nice" guys are. You can have morals, and be kind, without being a pushover.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 08:10 AM
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Her not wanting anything and appreciating even the small things. Also taking care of me whenever I needed it is the reason I want to spoil my woman from time to time. Now that I can afford to do so. But its still our money so not sure if that counts. If I look back to the start. She started the whole thing buy paying half in whatever we did in the early days. After a few weeks. We paid for each other if one of us was skint. And thats how it went.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 07:23 AM
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What is the difference between A and B, that causes this kind of disparity for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 08:52 AM
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No, that was the point. The stats don't support it. Somebody had to retract their stats because their methods were messed up. That's it. Otherwise, the data is mixed. Also, again. We are talking about being romantic, not long-term attachment. Two different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 08:43 AM
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I'm not Russian. So what does that have anything to do with me. No such proverb exists in my culture, but an insane amount of romantic poetry does, written by men. Should be a universal proverb if all men are like this. Lastly, we are discussing romantic love, not long-term attachment. One does tend to follow the other, but they are different human mechanisms.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 08:31 AM
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Sure. Please keep basing claims on retracted studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 08:07 AM
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You forgot that men on average fall in love with women faster, stay in romantic love for longer and have a harder time breaking their attachment to women once a relationship ends. All of these things have been studied.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 06:52 AM
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My girlfriend now wife, did a lot of things for me, to celebrate these occasions. On the whole though, its still not 50/50. I have overall made more of an effort over the years. Even then, back in 2002, men used to call her a Unicorn. For basically getting me something in return. Eventually it did settle down, and I only ever got something on my Birthday.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 06:31 AM
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Depends on your social circle. I can imagine that happening depending on which friend group I was out with. But here is a secret. Whatever they give you shit for, probably ends up working for some of the ladies you meet.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 01:41 PM
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No. I mean, I'm pretty working class when it comes to background. But I also grew up around a lot of minorities. A lot of different people over the years. So it's hit and miss. Same with women who respond to it. But I definitely had some positive comments from women when I have or another mate has used cologne on a night out.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 11:29 AM
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I like my wife's natural smell too. Because it smells so neutral. There is something really attractive in that. Yet I like the smell of shampoo in her hair, too. Cologne can be a nice change. But daily just gets too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 09:03 AM
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Also feeling attraction, or wanting to get to know someone? Like I dont think I feel attraction, but certain looks surely peak my interest. If I was single. Meaning, if I think they are attractive, then I could say, I am attracted. But I could also say, I am not attracted, because I dont feel like getting physical with them, yet. Sometimes it feels like people are talking about different things. I have certainly started interactive with a person and felt the stronger feeling of attraction. But t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 08:38 AM
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Women generally have a lower BMI, but higher body fat percentage. My wife has a BMI of 20 but the fat is in all the "right" places. Wheras I am BMI of 23. But body fat percentage is more like 30% for her and 17% for me. BMI does not take into account total muscle mass.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 08:26 AM
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From the UK, the above man is incorrect, but this depends on the woman as well. Also cologne is a nice extra, not the reason for feeling attracted. My wife can consider it a nice change, but the woman litterally sleeps next to my pillow when I am away, because she likes my natural smell. I rarely wear cologne, and do not find it attractive on women. There is enough scent in all the soaps and lotions people are smearing on themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 08:18 AM
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Not claiming this is true. But I think the complaint is less that the attractive guy has more options. But that the normal or not hot guy, has to live with a relationship in which the desire is responsive or passive. Meaning he has to do all the heavy lifting to get his girl to show desire towards him, and it could be hit or miss. Depending on what its built on. Whereas the hot guy, is simply enjoying the fact that the girl he is with is initiating and wanting him on a regular basis, even when t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 07:23 AM
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Once new a guy, that you would call very conventionally attractive, with money, who otherwise was a great catch. His first wife, the looks match, she cheated on him, he caught her, and broke up. Now he was a single dad, he then thought, well I will find a lady that is not as attractive, so she will not cheat on me. She didn't but she was constantly anxious, so that relationship ended. Now he had another kid. Then lastly he found another looksmatch and had 3 kids all together, his looks but not r…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 12:04 PM
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Yeah, I do it the other way around. I used to see women and think. Which ones do I like the look of. Then, as I got to know them, the thought might shift. But sometimes, even the objectively more attractive one did not do it for me. Sometimes, she did. But it wasn't a given.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 12:58 PM
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I am speaking in good faith, just so you know. Luckily, I ended up with a girl that I found very attractive at first sight. And I grew deeply attracted to her as I started dating her. I also admit that I have had sex with women that I would not at first have been attracted to because I got hammered and she took me home. I have also wanted to date those type of women after getting to know them. Because they turned out to be great people. That I really liked, and that made them more attractive to …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 12:33 PM
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Shush, it's called preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 12:14 PM
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But that is what I am saying. I did not find them attractive. But I would maybe find something attractive about them the more I got to know them. So, the perception could shift. But at first glance, I only found a small percentage attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 12:13 PM
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Are you? when I was young. I considered only a few girls in a group girls that would interest me. Certainly not half of them. And even some of the more attractive ones, did not make me want them immediately, because they were not necessarily my type. Then as I would get to know them, the preferences might have shifted slightly, because now some of the other girls, become more interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 11:56 AM
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Yeah, I do wonder if the 80/20 rule of 95% of men, is just all men or men within a dateable range? Because if its all men, then yeah 99% of women are undatable too. Like I am married, but even if when I was young and single. I only say 1 to 3 women in a group of 10 that would actually interest me.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 11:54 AM
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What is a mixed culture back ground. First generation and native or 2nd generation and native.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 08:47 AM
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Thanks, I agree, while there was the odd girl that had a 30 year old boyfriend. Usually it wasnt the case. Most girls just dated around their own age. Just like most men. I dated a woman around 30 when I was 20. And it was not fun, her trying to hide what was going on.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 08:46 AM
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Same with handsome actors, always some woman that says hes ugly or nothing special, while eating her cheetos. That is part and parcel of being on tv.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 08:40 AM
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Poeple confusing close to 60 with 40 are insane. I was considered attractive (more by women than by men) in my 20s. But I am more attractive at 45. Because I learned things that I did not know when I was young.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 08:38 AM
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The pills come from Akira, not from the Matrix. The whole thing is inspired by earlier works. In Akira they are used to suppress your powers.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 09:43 AM
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Not always true. As someone who is insecure, I do not boast about things. Rich guy boasting about being rich. Plently of those around me. I hate hearing about how much their boat costs.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 02:02 PM
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The suffragettes litterally used terrorism (arson and bombings) to forward their cause. That is bringing physical violence to an oppressor. There are also other tactics that just require passive resistance. When women stop looking after the kids. What are you going to do then?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 09:41 AM
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Thanks. Its like people just straight up misunderstanding the entire research on this topic. It litterally talks about object metrics of masculinity and attractiveness. Even a metric like, does the woman believe this man would be attractive to other women, was high on the list for increasing the probabiltity to orgasm. Not that it is the only factor. But in each case, we are talking about women that were partnered to these men. The attractive partners, and the not so attractive ones. So in all c…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 07:03 AM
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And that is exactly what the studies did not find. Its how attractive these men are considered from a biological perspective. Like objective ratings of facial masculinity, others perceived ratings of the men, and their facial symmetry. Not, is the man good looking enough. Obviously it was measured against other men that were also having sex with their partners. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1090513811000250
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 06:54 AM
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Yes, it piggy backs to the point that I feel love through sex. I don't necessarily fall in love through sex alone. But it brings me closer to my partner. So I feel love through sex. So does she, my partner. If it wasn't present. Sure, I would find a way to make our partnership work. I would still love her. But only of the reason for its absence is medical. If its just the fact that she doesn't like shagging me. The absence would feel different. Although I have only ever gone 6 weeks without in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 05:53 PM
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I feel love through sex, I feel love through sharing food, through hugs, building Ikea furniture together. Etc. Doesn't mean I cant do any of those things with someone where I don't feel love. The love is already present and I find it flows when in those acts. Although I would still weigh sex more heavily, as it feels far more personal. But then again, in casual sex, I might not feel love, I do however have some type of closeness through sex, even with a casual partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 02:32 PM
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I have the same perspective as you, and I am a man. Maybe because I am with someone that just wants to get it on straight away, no matter how crusty we both feel or look. Whereas I would like to feel clean at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 11:21 AM
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Partly being unsure about how the wedding would look. We came from different cultural backgrounds, and the thought of figuring out how to go about it was just something I felt like ignoring. Also like I said, we were already living together for 8 of those years, including shared finances and everything else. Including property in both our names. So it already felt like we were married. Honestly, we got married because of tradition rather than some sort of commitment. My half brother did the same…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 07:33 AM
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I am a guy that wasn't married to my girlfriend after 10 years. If she had suddenly broken up with me because of not marrying. I would have been blindsided. For me we litterally were a very close couple and I was faithful to her. Marriage was just a lable to me. So I ignored it. But in the back of my mind I would have done it some day. Which I eventually did. Not that it made a difference to our lives, other than loosing money.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 08:02 AM
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The last part is what I somewhat agree with. I felt like this guy when I met my girl( now wife). Because I did not have a lot of romantic success before her, and she was very conventionally attractive. Also mostly because apart from a bunch of hookups, I had very little sexual experience, while she had had a couple of boyfriends before me. So I knew that I was not great in the bedroom. But within a short time, I was pretty set. This with a girl that was really bad at communicating about sex. Eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 10:00 AM
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To be honest, my wife started having the wildest orgasms in a period of our lives when I had gone bald and put on weight. And she litterally was getting called a milf by her friends, because she kept her looks, and looks like she has the body of a 20 year old, at over 40. She even admitted to me later, that it was a period where she lost some attraction to my looks, but accepted it as a part of aging. She only told me this, because I decided to do something about it, after looking in the mirror …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 09:51 AM
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Anybody well travelled for me kost grew up in a different socioeconomic class or tries hard to fit into being middle class as they got wealthier with age. I find both not to be my type. My type is the one who sticks to their working class roots. Even if they are better off later in life. But again, I am pretty left leaning when it comes to my economic politics.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 07:29 PM
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Sounds like an interesting woman. I don't really care for well travelled. Because it depends on how rich you grew up. I prefer working class women who are well educated, fun, and intelligent. Because I don't jive as well with middle-class folks. Although me and my wife have done well for ourselves, we are middle class ourselves. But not so much culturally. Curiosity and empathy are super attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 07:24 PM
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Yes, I read this study and agree. As I got older and men around me paired up. What she does for work was a common sense og pride for the women on their arms (so to speak). If she was in an interesting or otherwise higher status job. They all mention it with pride. Same with looks. Every time a woman talks about not caring, mentally do an eye roll. Most people care about looks and appearance, although we all find a partner according to what we can get. But the most interesting thing about this st…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 07:18 PM
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Competence is very attractive for me in women. Independence depends on how it is defined, but as someone who grew up in a different cultural dynamic, but also born in a western country. I find it off-putting in both men and women depending on how it's shown. And some behaviours attached to it. But Independence through competence and confidence. Very attractive. I would say compromise and consideration is more important for me. And also attractive. Sexual moderation, yeah, no. My wife would find …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 07:09 PM
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Most women feel the same way about the men that they date: It might not have the veneer of hookup/long term partner dynamic put on it. But if a woman finds out that her man does not desire her sexually as much as he desired other women that he has been with. Women feel insecure and sad too. Not just men. Unfortunately its a far more common experience for men. But on the few occasions I have seen a thread where the sexes were reversed. It blows up on reddit, with women getting all up in arms abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 08:46 AM
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Seems like you had a personal experience. And these are your feelings in regards to that. Anecdotally for me, I became a father, my wife a mother. And for a short period, yes life was very different. Because the kid was our priority. And there was much to learn and much to do. I don't really know what you mean by sex kitten though? Because how much and what kind of sex a couple has, is between them. And people are different. Are you saying that sex completely stops between a couple after kids, o…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 09:48 AM
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Short guy with a girl that only dates shortish men. Like between 5'5 and 5'8. She was into slim men when we met, slim athletic looking men. I was not a gym goer, just reasonably slim. Played some sports. 25 years later, I got into going to the gym over the years, and she likes the more muscular me. Says she really digs the muscles. She is not particulary into feminine or masculine looking men. She likes attractive men from what I have noticed. That is a pretty broad range of men. Some more mascu…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 01:16 PM
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As a guy that only got hookups in his first 2 years of having sex. I back then genuinly thought that I was unattractive because none of these girls wanted to date me. I know it doesn't make sense, but I was a very young and did not know what was going on. My final take was that they did not want to date a brown man, but hooking up in secret was fine. Maybe that is incorrect, but it was the best explanation I had at the time, that did not make me feel ugly. I have only ever had one proper relatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 09:17 AM
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This isn't true. People be people and act in numerous different ways for different reasons. I was only hookup material for a lot of girls. They wouldn't meet up with me more than a few times. Until they would ghost. I was always wanting to see where it lead too. I slept with girls I actually liked talking to. But when I met my wife, same thing happened. We met and ended up hooking up. I genuinly was waiting for the other shoe to drop for a couple of weeks. She was more attractive than a lot of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 08:48 AM
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I am in the same boat as you more or less, but at the same time, some guys out there really are not in the hookup material category. I think people over estimate how good looking a guy needs to be to be able to hook up with women from time to time. Or even for a slightly attractive guy, how much effort he needs to put in to get new girls regularly. But there is certainly a category of men who have next to no hookups ever. But there were certainly girls that did not want anything more than a hook…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 06:27 AM
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This is simply not true for many men out there, the question you need to ask yourself is whether you want this kind of man, or a man that actually likes many different aspects of your personality and looks. If you want to spend some money on your looks, I would say that is not a bad thing at all, at the end of the day, I guess you also want an attractive partner. Same applies to anyone else. But at the same time, I certainly did not ignore womens personality just because they were attractive. No…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 06:27 AM
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Are you saying that every single time we have sex I should go down on my wife, even if she would rather have a quickie? I like the idea of that. In fact I have tried to be like that, because at some point society started pumping out the idea that PIV was only for my pleasure and oral was her turn. So I tried to start doing it every single time. I was told to stop. We talked about it. She told me that sometimes she wants to go straight to PIV and for her thats the main event. She likes me going d…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 01:31 PM
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Disagree. If she isn't reciprocating your energy and you try to spoil her more to get her to reciprocate. You are still simping.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 12:59 PM
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So you won't say the same to them?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 02:07 PM
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Say this to the women in dead bedroom subs.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 01:14 PM
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And dudes probably get told to stick a sock in there too.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 05:35 AM
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The hair is lost to illness. AGA is classified as a medical condition.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 05:34 AM
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Every old woman is, why not men? If it's a cost argument, fine. But if it's arguing, women need it more. It's not fine by me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 10:41 PM
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Breast implants are cosmetic. The implants do not replicate any organ function.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 10:38 PM
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I have no idea. Internet porn was not a thing when I was young. I read about the clit in a mens mag. Like GQ or something, when I was a virgin. I then only ended up having one night stands the first few times. Each time I went down in them, looking for the clit from the drawings I had seen. Not exactly easy either. But I remember getting it right at some point. But pacing, pressure, and technique came with experience and varied from person to person. None of the women that took me back to theirs…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 10:36 PM
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Balding is not the same as shaving your hair. They look distinctly different. it might be common, but androgenic alopecia is a pathological skin condition. It also causes balding in women(rare). Cardiovascular issues, and PCOS in women who have it. When the onset of the condition is young, it certainly causes distress. In men and women. Many health care systems already provide wigs for women who have AGA around the world. I'm not arguing that the severity of illness is akin to cancer. But you ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 01:40 PM
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Depends on the reason for hairloss. If the older man is thinning because of simple old age. It's not AGA. If he's got AGA, but it's super slow. Then it's a skin condition.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 01:31 PM
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Its classified as a skin condition by the who. Meaning its an illness. It also has other symtoms. But these are not always present. Like cardiovascular issues and PCOS if women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 01:20 PM
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So should women who had breast cancer not get implants?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 01:18 PM
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Actually they already are for many women. If you have serious seperation of the stomach. It is in some health care systems covered. And should be. It wasn't covered for my wife. But should have been, because we paid for it privately and it fixed her back pain. And fixed the massive gaping hole in her abdomen.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 01:17 PM
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AGA affects kids as young as 16. Not all men lose their hair with age. Its only a percentage of men. Men losing hair in their 60s is not always AGA. Thats just their body getting old.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 01:14 PM
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No, because those issues are not caused by a medical condition. Androgenic Alopecia is considered a condition of the skin. And is classified as such by the who. Just like cosmetic procedures for people that suffer from other illnesses is supported. Like Aids, or cancer. Not saying its as dangerous an illness, but its an illness all the same. Also AGA can cause such as cardiovascular disease and polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS) in women. Its not a male only issue. Some women (although rare) do su…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 12:38 PM
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The WHO includes AGA in its classifications of diseases, specifically within the chapter for "Diseases of the skin and subcutaneous tissue" in the International Classification of Diseases (ICD). It is generally considered a common medical condition with a significant psychosocial impact. So not quite a disease, but not exactly something that is akin to getting a boob job either.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 12:34 PM
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Where I live, women who lose their hair are given state support for buying a wig, whereas men are not. They simply make a distinction between the reason for baldness, knowing full well that one affects women and the other men. Yet they also state that in the rare case that its androgenic alopecia causing female baldness, an exception can be made. Which shows that their rules are gender discriminatory, yet they try to hide it because its against their own laws.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 12:29 PM
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Then people say that just because someone is flirting doesn't mean they are interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 10:52 AM
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Women knowing things about the penis is just bullshit. You might have, but most of my early experiences with girls, it was obvious that neither of us knew jack shit. Heck, most girls that had dated for a year or two, before I met them, were also pretty shit at sex. We all were. Not every woman out there is curius or experiments to get more pleasure. Some are just as lazy as some men. Its the lazy ones, who need an experienced partner to be wowed. The ones that arent lazy, figure it out with thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 06:52 AM
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Are the women in these surveys screened for sexual disfunction? Are men with ED allowed to take the survey? A woman with blood flow issues to her nether regions can still have sex, although she most likely will have reduced pleasure and no orgasm. Whereas a man will simply not be able to have sex. Are all women allowing their partner to give them oral, at every sexual incounter? Because lesbians seem to be up for that. But in my experience, sometimes straight women just want a quickie, thats wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 06:44 AM
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I have experienced deveoping feelings when I did not initially have sexual attraction to a girl. She was just a random person to me that I became friends with, and then I realised I liked her more than that. I have had a girl I did not find sexually attractive to begin with at all, then become more attractive as our conversation flowed and spent more time with her. I have been pretty sure women that were friends with me, found me attractive too, but I had placed them as only friends. And they we…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 07:32 AM
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Have you talked to him about why he feels like this. Anything in the relationship that makes him feel this way? I usually realise that these things are not as one sided as they appear. Usually the partner tends to be less self aware/reflective too. Hence not being able to figure out their role in the current dynamic. Maybe sit down and have a difficult and honest conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 09:33 AM
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This is cultural. Its not seen as normal in many other counries. As a guy that grew up in Norway and the UK. I have never paid for the first date, or any other first outing with a girl. My now wife, evenly bought rounds as we sat at the pub getting to know each other. One drink on her another on me. And in Norway, its customary to split the bill, between dates, friends, family. You name it. I have to say that many girls in the UK have now started to expect this, especially middle class and above…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 08:35 AM
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This happened to a friend of mine in uni. His high school girlfriend went to a different uni, called him to open up the relationship. He was against it but agreed, 6 months later she comes back to visit him, and she keeps bumping into women he has slept with, now she wants to close the relationship. I dont know what was agreed, but he kept fucking around after that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 09:31 AM
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Maybe it is, but thats not something that anyone considers when they start on their journey. I did however think that sex would become less regular as time went on. But more due to age on both sides. And it might still, we are only in our 40s.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 09:19 AM
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There are literally borderline women who do not like sex. Its not one or the other. Also not everyone that is unhinged has borderline. Could be any person with difficulties in emotional regulation.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 09:10 AM
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I've been with option 2 for 23 years. Great relationship. But you certainly miss things, and sometimes wonder what option 1 would be like. Also life isn't black or white, there there are many different moments. Lastly I do bring some drama myself. So its certainly not been boring for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 03:55 PM
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Ive been with option nr2 for 23 years. She literally looks like the hot librarian. The quiet librarian stereotype turned out to be true, within reason like. Its a weird mix of timid and wild. But each person is an individual and your mileage may vary.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 03:52 PM
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As someone in a very long standing relationship. I dont think either partner should just have sex, when not in the mood. But the question becomes, why are they not in the mood. And how often are they not in the mood. If these topics are honestly discussed, the rejected partner has the ability to make an informed decision. If for example my wife has a chronic illness and cannot have sex when her symptoms flare up. I would be very happy to live with a situation where sex is rarer. If she cannot ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 04:11 PM
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You are correct, but humans have stopped evolving. So nothing is going to change. Early death is the system by which we evolve. Humans dont have that anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 02:57 PM
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Its a strange question. I would say that my "prime" was when I was already in a long term relationship. It was also a period where I was attracting a fair few proposals from women. It felt weird, because what I wanted earlier. Attention from girls, I was suddenly getting more of. Not that I had never had that. But it had been less in the past, and was suddenly more. But since I was with someone I liked, it was a non starter. So I guess I missed out in some way. But then again, I did have a lot o…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 02:59 PM
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Honestly, I have never had women tell me that they want a long term relationship before having sex with me. Most I got was, a question of whether I was only interested in getting into her pants and not really interested in more. It was also the only girl, I was actually interested in something more with from the get go. Usually I would not know a girl well enough to make such a decision early. But in this case, I thought she was so interesting, that I was very open to seing her again. So I told …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 02:51 PM
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So you think that women should lead with telling their potential long term partner that his looks are on the inferior end of her preferences. So sex will be rarer with him, because her sexual attraction for him is lower. Because if she doesn't say this, when its the case, then its lying and deception, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 02:43 PM
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Don't know how it applies, but i considered it cheating, she didn't. It worked out in many ways, but my feelings did change. She kissed another girl on a night out right infront of me. She then claimed that it was just making others jealous, girls do this kind of thing between themselves. And she didn't think anything of it when the other girl had approached. I knew it did happen between girls at parties and such. So I accepted the explanation at the time. But it did change me, before this, I on…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 11:39 AM
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Nobody is blaming women, I was simply countering the idea that women are not hypocrites. When it comes to the points raised above my comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 07:31 AM
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The smooth talker is going to be talked about as cool by others. This is chicken and the egg problem. Not easy to guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 09:42 AM
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I was simply pushing back on the claim that this is only male behaviour. Married women thirsting over attractive men isn't something new. Both men and women are at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 06:29 PM
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Hypocracy is not really observable when there is a power difference in two people. Women can claim they are okay with a man doing these things, if they know he is not capable of doing it. But when a man comes along that actually has a ton of exes he meets up with all the time, or a string of female friends, that are obviously crushing on him. Or he even can show off skin on Insta and get thirsty women commenting. Then it hits different. I have been there, at least with the exes, and bunch of gir…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 01:28 PM
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Im not expecting you to. Just speaking in good faith. Sometimes, it can get hard to google a study that someone linked a while back without knowing the name. So I understand fully where you are coming from. But no, its not about partner count.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 12:54 PM
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I pick that which seamlessly fits with my own skin tone and hair colour, so its not off. Also as a man, I use very little. I am a cis man after all. Also I think when there is almost no expectation that I could possibly be wearing makeup, no body thinks about it. Apart from my wife, who knows and giggles everytime I get a compliment like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 12:36 PM
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Cant re find the study, it was posted on this forum by someone else once. It made me change my view. It was recent, and designed to reason why women were so much concerned with their appearance. Expected to find that women had a much bigger effect on their chances for finding a partner based on their looks. They were shocked to find no correlation between attractiveness and chances of finding a partner¨for women. For men, it was not chad either. The delta between very attractive men and average …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 12:22 PM
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attractiveness is actually highly correlated, just that the difference between average and attractive is small. But the difference between average and ugly is quite significant. Now for women, there is not correlation between looks and the ability to find a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 09:16 AM
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This is just not true, and not what high maintenance usually means. High maintenance is being married to a Karen.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 09:10 AM
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Neither can a lot of women, the other way around. As a man that wears makeup, the amount of compliments that I get from women, cis and non cis, for naturally looking this way and my "genetics". Gives me a laugh each time. I litterally got this comment from a non cis female friend of mine, who used to do makeup for TV.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 09:08 AM
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But would they respond if the k idols DM them? You can't draw an equivalance here since women do not make the first approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 09:05 AM
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Women are claiming this, not men. Men that say this, are just believing women that say it. I have attracted a fair few women without speaking to them. That would never happen if they were not visual.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 09:04 AM
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I agree. When I first met my wife, she was very attractive. But I soon realised that she was actually pretty low maintenance. Which meant that she was mostly chill with most things that were going on. She didn't constantly tell me what and what not to do, and didn't have a list of demands on me. Which was a nice experience. But there is a side to this as well, where a nice balance is key. Otherwise one just comes across as way too passive and naive. But definitionally, I was constantly told by m…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 09:02 AM
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Women that are dating average to unnattractive men are doing this too. Its the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 08:54 AM
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I always thought this was true too, for women. But wow the difference between and average body and a good one, when it comes to sexual attraction from women. The difference is that they judge the face for getting together with you, but then if you have a sexy body, they will keep up with the sexual attraction going forward. This is just my anecdotal experience thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 08:50 AM
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Yes, but as a said in another comment. One of the ways I worked through this feeling is to start appreciating the parts of our dynamic where she shines, so that I don't feel as burdened . Because often we refuse to see what the other person is giving or doing for the relationship. Its more about putt8ng your finger on those things, as we can be blind to them. Just as she was always blind to how the mental load I carried felt. I was also blind to all the things she was doing for the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 03:51 PM
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Yep, this is what I am like as the man in my relationship, I do all the planning and detail. She takes part in the labout intensive side of it, and then I feel like the stressful part was me alone, in making sure it would work out perfectly. She is very helpful when it comes to doing the hard labour though, so it almost feels strange to complain about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 01:38 PM
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As a man that has done a ton of "emotional" labour over the years, I have only every been condescended to by women, when I talk about this. Who don't see it as a big deal. Because I am so lucky that my wife is such a sweet person. But will complain when they have to do it for a man. Or even complain when she does somthing for me infront of them. Then link it to my ethnic background. Which is racist on top of it. There is a lot of hypocricy around this. Doing all the clothes shopping in the house…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 01:29 PM
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I didn't say that, I just think they were happier with their choice. Because they felt more chosen. And they felt they got as good as they could get.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 12:36 PM
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The current dynamics have always held true to some extent, just that it wasn't so openly discussed and everyone tried to date according to their own looks. They went for people in and around their own looks level, both men and women. Sometimes women stumbled across an attractive guy for a fling. Today its conversation about this stuff that has proliferated to the point that most people know whats up, then women also know that they hold relationship power, so they are going to weild it. It goes w…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 12:15 PM
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Relaxed is probably the better explanation. But some self reflection also taught me. That when I was looking, I was looking at the wrong person. For example, I might go for a girl that I think is interested, who looks nice, but ignore the girl that I don't think is interested or maybe feel she is too good looking, or any other reason I had at the time. I spend time pursuing (wasted time). On the flip side, I am simply chatting with interesting people, or generally dancing away in bliss. Dependin…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 01:35 PM
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Saying this in good faith, but the specific part which refers to how things happen when you stop looking, did hold true for me. Its in the moments when I was not looking to pull or hookup with women that it happened. Usually when I wanted to meet someone, whether a night out, or a girl that I liked and wanted to pursue something. Nothing happened. But when I was just enjoying life, doing the same things, but without this mindset. It would happen for me, from the most unexpected women. So this is…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 12:12 PM
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No. I'm not black.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 09:36 PM
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I'm not American, and I'm not white.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 04:20 PM
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I hug the friends I am comfortable hugging. Not all my friends like being hugged. So I will not easily do it, until that is established. As for touch, it both sexual and non sexual. Problem is, if my partner reads into me grabbing her butt as sexual, but forgets how much I like to cuddle, have my head in her lap, hold hands when in public or just a million other ways in which I give and recieve touch. I can do both in equal measure and both are my love language. If you take away non sexual touch…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 03:21 PM
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I never gave it more thought than, yes, I love physical touch. My face being stroked, a hand on my back or chest. Holding hands when walking in public. Lying on the sofa in a cuddle. Grabbing my ass as I walk past. Hugs for days. And yes, sex as well. Same for gifts, I think of gifts as getting something thoughtfull, not expensive. But my overall take on the love language thing is that people read into it as the thing they are missing the most in a relationship, not what they cherish the most.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 03:16 PM
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There are studies also showing that women who consider themselves more attractive than their partner, are more flirty, less loyal, and are open to advances of other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 03:06 PM
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Okay, it's strange to say that time and place don't matter. I have approached women that I felt were less attractive than my wife before her. So now because they came first, I consoder them my best choice. I do believe in objective attractiveness. But there is such a thing as differing attractive traits. No one person tends to have all of them. One has the perfect butt, another perfect boobs. Another perfect eyes, yet another perfect cheeks. You can be attracted to different things at different …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 11:44 AM
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Rejection doesn't work this way though. Nobody is picking from a line up. I got rejected by people that I approached, but not others. Different time, Different place. The people that didn't reject me, were not a choice when I was being rejected. I met them later. Doesn't mean I liked them less. By the time I met my partner, others had said yes and no to me plenty of times. They were not better, because I met them first. They were just there. Even how attractive I thought they were was context de…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 11:08 AM
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Settling is a feeling that you could have done better than you did. At least how I define it. So, whether a woman feels like she could have gotten someone hotter, richer, etc. Or a man feels like he could have done better. Both are settling. If you feel like you got the best partner you could have hoped for, its not really settling. You achieved what you could given your own circumstances. This feeling can obviously change during the course of the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 08:13 AM
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Not the same here, since I was 19. Never told the girl I lost my virginity to, that I was a virgin. It actually sucks to say this, because its not the nicest way to have sex for the first time. But it is what it is. I lost it with a hook up. And was kicked out of her house, as soon as it was done. After that I never had to lie, that I wasn't a virgin. But listening to people talk about it back then infront of me, made me realise that anyone that was still a virgin was mocked by men and women ali…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 08:26 AM
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Not how I noticed pre selection works. More like, if I get with a 7. All the 6s that were not interested, suddenly are. Or at least are more forward. Other 7s are maybe not that bothered. Especially since you are dating, and they can find someone else. If you are a 4 and you meet a 4. Nobody cares. Plenty of other 4s and 5s to choose from. I certainly noticed pre selection in action. But at the same time, I was also getting hit on by girls, who did not know my relationship status. And usually th…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 11:44 AM
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As a guy, who got called ugly by many men, but not by women. I was constantly told, I am punching above my league. Both with girls I slept with and the girl that I ended up dating. But women, friends and the ones I was romantic with, said I was attractive. So I don't know. Probably not conventionally handsome, but attractive to a lot more women, than some other guys. It's been a confusing life, but either way, I have been with women of all types, some of the less attractive ones, are the ones th…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 09:31 AM
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There is a huge difference between Einstein and Musk. One is just a financier, the other litterally came up with some of the most important scientific consepts in human history. Some of his ideas are still being proved correct to this day. One might not have been a good family man, the other one looks up to Hitler.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 09:31 AM
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I was, to all of my female friends. I even lived with some of them at the time. My long term girlfriend was the best looking of the lot too. They would even give me feedback of what they thought of the girl I was dating or interested in. I got everything from, you can do better than that girl (looks). To, "she is a bit forward isn't she?" But the long term girl friend was taken in to the friend group very kindly, she was looked after by the other girls on nights out, and they made us dinner, fir…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 09:02 AM
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My female friends would buy me drinks and make me dinner. Also offer me weed. Maybe there was some interest at the start with a few of them. But quickly realising that they were better as friends, and not my personality type. I did once flirt with a taken girl, because my friend was interested in her boyfriend. I kept the girl busy in conversation while she flirted freely with the guy. And it worked. My friend was impressed. She asked me beforehand, so she was impressed that I did it well. Not t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 08:48 AM
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Most dont, a very few do. Unless you go through an agency, then the agent tends to let you know.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 10:29 AM
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Not what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 10:47 AM
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Most people have a certain idea of where they rank their past and present partners in term of looks. Some higher than others. That is typical human behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 10:37 AM
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I don't still consider myself to be small. I explained why I did and when I realised what size I actually was. I changed my mind. I also had a pretty wild/good sex life, just thought I was small.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 11:19 AM
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Sure, but it also shows that they mostly never even see it in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 10:13 AM
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Dude, there has only been one study where women were selecting their idea size. It was 6.4 inches. They did not have to select a number, but rather select from a selection of fake dicks. This way no one had to account for guessing sizes wrong. In the actual study, the majority of the women even claimed that their selected size, was bigger than what they had seen in real life. Stop having dumb discussions with dumb people. Sure some women will have seen a 7 incher or even 8 incher. But its not ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 09:22 AM
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Even before porn was common, my partner managed to blurt out that mine was small. It wasn't directed at me. She was just explaining the difference between sex with small and sex with bigger. To a friend of hers, in company. But the explanation fit into our sex life, so I knew she was referencing me. I went on to believe I was small my entire life. Until I measured it one day. Turns out I am 6.3 inches, and above average in girth. So for me at least, the OP makes some sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 09:07 AM
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Yes, I know, but you are still assuming that they can during that situation. Because they are not telling you that they can, in the moment, are they? Hence, you still have to open your mouth and explain what you mean so that your message is clear. That removes all deniability from the situation. I am not saying these things, unempathetically, I am talking from experience. These things aren't as gendered as you think they are. Have lived with this sort of thing my whole life. In my situation, it'…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 09:13 PM
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Might be, but at that point, it's your problem if you are unwilling to open your mouth. You can not read people's minds, just like they can't yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 05:18 PM
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I pick up on non-verbal communication, but I hate it. I want to hear you say things because people also use plausible deniability with their non-verbal communication. And it can also be vague. Which muddies the waters and hides the truth. It's toxic towards a healthy relationship. These also include good things that women communicate about their partners. Non verbal is fine within reason. But use your words too.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 12:21 PM
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I come from an arraganged marriage background, but did not have one myself. I used to be against it. And mostly still am. But only because I see so many parents make bad decisions for their kids. The kids don't get to own the mistake, which causes resentment toward the family, not towards their own choice. Then again, I have now seen so many bad relationships altogether, that I just think, whatever you do, its a toss up as to whether there is any better or worse outcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 02:11 PM
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I do not see myself in what you wrote. I have my own anecdotal experience to go on and nothing else. I don't really think about this anymore, as I have been in a relationship for over 23 years. Yet I have never been sure that my own partner is attracted to me, let alone a random person that I just met. My reason is that my partner was/is really attractive. So she can't be attracted to someone that looks like me? A really attractive girl at work once. When I was still young, wrote her number on m…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 10:47 AM
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Yet this is what women also claim they want from the men they date.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 09:21 PM
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In the younger age group of daters, or newly formed couples. I see ugly women with average looking men. And I see average women with average men. I see good looking women with good looking men. Sometimes I will see a good looking woman with an average man. This happens too. I see ugly men, walking alone. For the olders groups, its really hard to tell. Because people could have been dating for over a decade and looks change. Does not indicate what they looked like when they met.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 07:53 AM
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The point was, actually, that if she had been in a different mood. Things might not have happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 04:21 PM
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Exactly. This applies to men, too. Young people without a lot of self reflection or life experience tend to see things as a binary. Even going by my story. I at first had only seen this girl(my wife) in casual settings. She was attractive, but I thought nothing more of it. I did not think she was stand out attractive. Even the day we ended up pulling. It was the same. We just had so much in common and good banter. Plus, drinking. 4 days later, we met up, and we are going out clubbing this time. …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 11:30 AM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 08:59 AM
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This is a bit reductive way of working things out. Truth is far more complicated. You could meet the same woman multiple different ways at different times(all for the first time) and have her feel different for you. Sure your looks matter, but setting, time of month, her current relationship status, frame of mind. All come into how she will notice you. Also your own looks will also vary depending on the setting and why you are there. Are you dressed casually, formal, did you do your hair, well g…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 08:57 AM
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I find it amusing that Americans have fucked up the word Asian for the rest of Asia.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 07:46 AM
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I experienced what you describe with my father as well, he was hardly there for anything, hardly spent any time with us and just needed to get rid of us if we were a bother to him. Not a present father whatsoever. He never knew our ages, or what grade we were in. Never knew what hobbies we had. But looking back, that was not the norm. We noticed the huge difference between what other kids had and what we lacked. A present father. They might have fit into different gender roles, sure. But those f…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 10:58 AM
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I feel like this is more true for people that are not sexually attracted to their romantic partners. What I mean is that when they are both present, they feel very intertwined, like one boosts the other and they flow together. They dont feel seperate to me when both are present. Only the lack of one, makes the disctinction apparent.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 10:13 AM
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These are not my preferences in women. But what you said applies far more to women. Women who want financially stable or successful men are hardly financially stable themselves. Short women want tall partners. Physically weak women want to date strong men. Shy women, like a confident guy. Emotionally neurotic women want a guy who controls his emotions. Men can have preferences in the opposite sex that they don't possess, too. It's certainly not evil.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 08:02 AM
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Maybe perceptively, not relationship material, but I always put that down to my looks. Women want a good-looking guy on their arm, too. I always liked the women I slept with. There was chemistry, something in common, and good banter. There were a few where I did nothing after being invited back, but that was on the back of a lot of disappointments, so I was starting to doubt myself. They all just excalated to sex quickly. At first I thought, that's just how people meet. Given the fact that I wan…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 07:41 AM
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Just a correction. Because this was a while back. I think the lesbians rating women was also skewed towards slightly less attractive than average. But only slightly so. The datappoints were not as consistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 03:15 PM
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So, I have seen a graph outside of the okcupid data, cant find the study again, so if you don't take my comment on face value, that's totally fair. The plot I saw. Actually there were 4 plots. Het women rating men, Het men rating women, lesbians rating women and gay men rating men. The bias towards men being less attractive than the middle was there, but only for Het women rating men. Others followed a normal distribution pattern. If I remember correctly.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 02:07 PM
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But if preferences vary so much, then everyone on the apps are attractive to women, with an even distribution?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 01:36 PM
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I am a man that was rejected a fair amount, after having sex with a woman. They didn't want a relationship, just sex for the night. It made me wonder what was happening. My conclusion was that I was a charming guy, but ugly. So they slept with me once, because we were laughing, but when they woke up next to me it felt different.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 10:29 AM
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Men do not give women attention at a gay bar. As someone is a straight man, who frequented the gay and lesbian night scene. What you are saying is nonsensical. If she went to a gay bar, feeling like men didn't like her, she would absolutely had the worst experience imaginable. Gay men will litterally push straight women off the dance floor, to get to a dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 07:25 AM
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Emotional labour is a real thing. But again, you have to define your words, and this term is way too vague. For some, it's organising all the activities and planning appointments, etc. For others, it's doing all the romantic gestures, dates, holidays, etc. I, for example, am the parent who usually has to deal with the children's negative emotions. My wife is the type that freezes and can't deal with a tantrum, or if a kid is angry, etc. Now that is labour, too. But I don't mind, because that is …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 02:03 PM
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Well, anecdotally I have a friend. She constantly complained that her fella did nothing helpful around the house. Eventually, she got divorced. She then needed help with moving in. Building new furniture, putting a painting on the wall. Basically, anything that is required using any tools, she can't do. Her answer was that it's a man's job to do those things. She called the other day, and I had to guide her on how to switch off the fuse to her dish washer, when she had to clean it. We have recen…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 01:55 PM
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Like I said in another comment. Usually, the problem in couples is not the division of labour. It's that one fails to value the contribution of the other. Most of the time, they do value it on a subconscious level. Otherwise, they would not be together to begin with. But on a conscious level, they don't see it and start creating a woe is me mindset. I have been there myself. We are all good at different things. It's about valuing what the other person is bringing. Usually something we can't do o…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 01:30 PM
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A few hours extra, is a lot of time when you have kids. If you get married to a person that is too rigid, then you chose badly. I could not date a person who believed in a my way or the high way mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 01:17 PM
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I agree, if we are tallking about traditional upbringing. The men had to take kids out of the house and do activities with them. They learned a lot from their fathers. But alas, life is different now, and both parents do need to step up and share the work load. But from what I see, most relationships don't have an unequal load, but that one partners contribution is not valued, because it looks different. Or that one partner, creates an unrealistic system, to live by, that is not maintainable by …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 12:52 PM
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Yep, I come across mothers, that have created unnecessary chores that do not need to be there, just out of some warped sense of being a good mother. This is causing these mothers to have nothing outside of work and motherhood. Then at 10pm, they need a glass of wine or two. And are asleep at 11. That is not balancing life correctly. Me and my wife are done with chores, and kids around 9pm, and spend time together til around 11, maybe 12, then go to sleep. By this time, we both manage to go to th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 12:46 PM
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Are we talking about going on a date, or having sex and/or relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 08:40 AM
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Women are not as horny as men, does not mean they are not as visual as men. They are still attracted to looks just like men are. They are however less horny. Or only very horny at a specific time of the month.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 06:43 AM
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Cause the porn itself is not a turn-on.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 07:40 PM
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If we are talking straight up ghosting. My better female friends always told me to not send a second text message. Told me to move on. I appreciate those friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 08:40 AM
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So. I have a similar story. Old story mind. I developed a crush on a girl that had a long distance boyfriend. Instead of shutting me down, she led me on. It was a complicated mess of sometimes being a bit physical, and sometimes telling me we were just friends. Underlying it all was her talking about breaking up with her fella. Which she did, then got back together with him straight away. At that point, I decided, it was a clear rejection. So I ended up with another person. As soon as she and he…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 08:37 AM
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Did not stick around to find out. I had recently had a crush on a girl who had a boyfriend. She had led me on, we had done stuff, and it had ended badly. I felt like I needed to be more principled for my own self-respect. I probably would have gone along with it 6 months earlier. She did tell me this after pulling me in the club. I just said no and moved on.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 01:48 PM
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The point was that women do pop boners. My wife even calls it ladyboners. Women are like that when they are attracted to a man. Especially to his looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 01:07 PM
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Not tall, actually shortish. But the average height of girls in the UK was 5'3, I think back then. So it never felt like a problem. As for looks, I am not sure. I don't look like what people always seem to call attractive around me or on TV. But then I have had a decent amount of feed back and compliments to make me think that I am.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 10:45 AM
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I have been creeped on a few times over the years, from very strong to less intense, to just mild. My first ever night out at a club, and woman walked up behind me and grabbed my ass. I was 17 years old. And the women around her, expected me to initiate after that. I was severely creeped out and removed myself. A woman at my work, when I worked at a hotel restaurant at the age of 21. Made it very public that she wanted to sleep with me. She started talking about getting me into bed, in ear shot.…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 08:43 AM
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Because it starts dicking over below average men. There is always someone that loses out this way. Below average men get next to nothing from below average women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 08:19 AM
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FWB is a bit of a weird dynamic, that not many men are going to come across. I never did that when I was young. Because either I was dating someone, or I was drunk and a girl took me home to have sex with me. Usually I was not interested after getting to know this girl better. So the handfull of ONS I had, was just some girl I pulled while drunk, and she put me in a taxi and took me back to hers. Sometimes they kicked me out afterwards, sometimes we exchanged numbers, but sober me realised I did…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 07:37 AM
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Actually, the above comment was pretty spot on from my experience. If he truly likes you and finds you attractive. He will feel a little nervous around you. That is not as difficult as a woman that will have sex with you as long as you provide committment, even if she is not sexually attracted to you. That usually causes a lot of hurt in relationships for men, because as soon as things progress, the sex starts dying out for these men. Then suddenly they are stuck with a partner that they love, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 07:33 AM
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This isn't actually true. But what is true, unnattractive women do not want to date unattractive men, they want a man that is at least average. That is where the discrepency lies. Given the fact that 50% of men are below average. That's a lot of men, that below average women do not want to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 10:20 AM
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I'm sure I would do better today. But trying and failing is how I ended having success in the past. And the booze actually really helped.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 01:34 PM
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This is very true. I do hate this fact. It's really annoying. Not that I care anymore. That was my problem in my teens, early 20s. But even then, I did grow out of it. I never had a woman say, sorry not interested, after they engaged me enthusiastically. It always just worked out. Although this one time I do think, a girl that was dancing with me in a bit too flirtatious way, put a hand between us when I leaned in. I took the no. But that is the only time I was rejected in that way. Usually a gi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 01:29 PM
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No they don't. Lets be honest. Now you are reaching. Even if she says anything after allowing that. It's on her and not you. At that point, she is being an idiot. You have nothing to worry about.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 01:13 PM
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When I was 19. A girl invited me back to her house, gave me beer. Put a minidisc in her cleavage and wanted me to come and get it. I still wasn't sure. Other times, I just walked up to her on the dance floor and went for a kiss and it worked. It really does build on the back of recent success. When it starts working regularly, it's much easier to not get up in your own head about it. Now I'm 23 years deep into a relationship. If I was single tomorrow. I would probably be back to second guessing …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 01:11 PM
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It means one partner is making money. When two people do. There's isn't a breadwinner. It's a dual income household. A difference in income isn't really relevant unless one person does not make enough to contribute in a meaningful way. Meaning they couldn't cover any expenses. For example, I make a reasonably higher income than my wife. Yet we are both contributing, and I would never call myself the breadwinner. That feels demeaning to her contribution. I have always considered our contrition to…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 12:40 PM
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But he can't pay for bread?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 12:24 PM
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Does he work for free?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 12:12 PM
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My wife did want to have sex with me after exactly 6 weeks. Both times after she gave birth. I never asked, never bothered or brought it up. Because, I was too busy trying to get to grips with having a baby around the house. But at exactly the 6 week mark, she asked me. By saying "the doctor said 6 weeks, and its six weeks today, do you want to have sex?" On the other hand. I broke my leg this year. Pretty badly, it was a compound fracture that required a complicated operation, and I was bandage…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 09:02 AM
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Men and male children, civilians(not soldiers) are far greater victims of war and genocide than women and female children. The difference in numbers that die is staggeringly disproportionate. Women are equally likely to support wars. So I don't understand how its a mans war. Historically women participated in wars as well. It's actually more a modern phenomena that women are left out.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 07:25 AM
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This paper has to be the most ignored piece of evidence ever produced. LIke they just do not want to even acknowledge it's existence.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 07:17 AM
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Sure it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 10:55 AM
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So women do pop bones instantly. Just not as frequently. I agree with this point. Not your first one.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 09:57 AM
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So why have I seen women pull men completely randomly on a dance floor? Not even the one they are dancing with. Just an attractive guy walks past, she looks towards him, he looks back. Instant pull. I have had a woman walk up to me and pull me on the dance floor too. Without anything being said first.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 07:56 AM
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When I met my partner, through friends on a pub crawl. We got talking all evening, danced, and then pulled. We were both drunk, ended up back at hers, etc. The next day, we exchanged numbers and kept meeting up. About 2 weeks later, I asked her if she would be my girlfriend. She replied with, "I thought I already was." I then had to explain what the exclusivity thing was and how I just wanted to make sure. Personally I had not considered anyone else, because I liked her a lot and didn't want to …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 08:32 PM
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Yeah, I just can't think of doing something like this if I actually am considering said person as a prospective partner. I just want to be able to look back to the start and feel that it was romantic. Not that I was boning other women, while she was waiting for a text.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 11:08 AM
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People are getting advice within their own social circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 10:17 AM
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Partner looks is heavily associated with female orgasm frequency. If they weren't visual creatures, this would not be a finding.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 09:00 AM
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Are you wearing tank tops, when picking up the kids?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 03:05 PM
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As a very left wing person myself. The modern american left is weird. The worst ones are the capitalist left wing feminists. I just dont subscribe to every social left wing idea, mostly I have economic left wing takes. For social takes, I choose to make a case by case evaluation. I also read in a comment above that you dated mostly in the 00s. Thats me too. Dating was pretty tough for most men, even back in those days. But I still managed to have something going for me. Which was better than mos…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 08:13 AM
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There is a difference between starting a physical altercation and defending once something has started. I don't bother with starting anything. I would rather move away than fight. But on the occasion I had no choice. It worked out, and that's different.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 10:30 AM
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I started school, and the class bully tried to shake me down pretty early on. I had been bullied before, so I snapped straight away and beat the shit out of him. He never touched me again. A year later, he leaves school, and his now ex-girlfriend suddenly starts talking to me. I thought she was icky for having dated someone like that. So I just ignored her.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 09:45 PM
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Not exactly what I wrote. But sure. Read into it any way you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 04:19 PM
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To an extent. My wife was hardly ever exposed to violence when young. I wasn't violent with her either. Yet there were a couple of instances back in the day, where we ended up in a dangerous situation and I fended off the attackers. I felt pretty anxious after that. Because it wasn't like a school fight. One guy pulled a knife out when he was loosing. Lucky for us, they decided to run away in the end. Yet, years later she admitted to me, that she felt immensely attracted to me after those instan…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 02:41 PM
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I get your point, but again. Whether she is bitter or not. Is individual. Same would applied to me. I dated some hotties when I was young. But if I had gotten divorced in my 30s. I would in no way have been dating a conventionally attractive lady. Why, because I put weight on, lost hair, did not look attractive anymore. The only reason I had a conventionally attractive wife in my 30s was because I used to look decent too, when I was young, when we met. I would get side eyed, all the time, when o…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 02:38 PM
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I just think of the asshole boys in school. The ones that were bullys. They are the typical bad boys, who did really well with the girls. Even the really nice girls, that seemed to hang around with the gentler guys. But then if she was attractive enough, she is suddenly dating the class bully.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 01:29 PM
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I have never compromised. No amount of looks will ever get me to stay with a woman who is shows that she is not kind at heart, with a pleasant demeanour. If you bully another person infront of me or talk badly about another person based on something they cannot change, join in toxic group behaviour with your girls. Instant ick.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 01:23 PM
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The gatekeeping problem is real and I find it completely absent from this discourse. I am not even in a position where things worked out badly. But the gatekeeping was intense in the first months of my first child being born. I was completely left out, but suddenly would get told, that I am not making enough of an effort. I would have, if I hadn't been completely sidelined, then suddenly asked why I was passive. I suffered from male post partum depression. Only lucky part for me was that I live …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 10:56 AM
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Male civilians die at higher rates in war than female civilians. Male civilians are also subject to sexual violence at very high rates, but it's deemed as torture, rather than rape. Men are the largest victims of genocide. Usually women and children, especially female children have much higher survival rates during genocides.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 08:58 AM
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I agree, these are rare occurances. From what I saw, most women that dated men, that were better looking than them, usually struggled with getting committment or making the relationship last. They then switch to a less attractive guy and get committment and more relationship powere straight away. This makes them happy, which they now consider a better relationship to be in. But usually there is less attraction from her to him. Which might get noticed by the dude, or sometimes not. I don't think …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 07:36 AM
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Then they are naturally only getting together with someone that is in their own looks bracket. If you are the hottest thing on earth at the age of 20, but then proceed to put on 40kg and loose a leg, in the next decade. Maybe the next guy you date will not be as hot as your exes, because your range of men has changed? Just the nature of how things are. Nobody is at fault, and she might still be very happy with the person she finds.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 07:32 AM
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I think men have this backwards, yes there are gold diggers. But usually this situation is women settling for a guy they are not all that attracted too, because he has many other great qualities, that make for a good partner. So they think that since attraction is not the most important thing in a relationship. They should still date the guy. But the person being dated ends up feeling that lack of attraction and feels negative about the relationship. Which can the cause relationship issues, and …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 07:30 AM
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I am married, and I'm not the right person to ask this question. I am not a very trusting person. But I don't walk around accusing without evidence either. I inherently disagree with the idea of blind trust. I always expect the worst. But that's just my experience. I don't think she has cheated on me if that's what you're asking. Would she hide it if she did. She is capable. As are many good people.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 04:14 PM
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But I don't like the vast majority of women or men. They make for relatively okay aquintances. I would only date someone that is fun to hang around with, and a bunch of boring townies is not it. Why do you want to match with the max amount of people? When you want a certain type of person?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 02:41 PM
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I wasn't making an argument for or against. The comment simply stated that they supported the test, but would leave their partner if the asked for one. Which I responded to, by stating that if you punish an action, you are in fact not in support of that action. That's it. As for the test, I don't need one as my kids have too many "tells", that they are mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 02:33 PM
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Leaving someone for doing the test is not support. You are in fact telling them that they will be punished for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 01:33 PM
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I think this feeling comes more from being in school. The guys that were assholes to all the other men in school, were chased by the popular girls. Which was fine, one thought, because likes attract. But then when the more down to earth girls had an oppertunity to date one of these guys, she would date the same type of guy. We knew he was an asshole, because he acted like that towards all the other boys, even his friends. But the girls in school still wanted to date him. This is where the trope …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 08:24 AM
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I had pleny of offers without gym and height. Pretty sure, most of the sex I had when I was young was just me pulling someone on a night out, and them taking me back to theirs. You just have to make yourself available, and be interesting if at a party, and dance well if in the club. I am sure, I would have done even better if I had known how to approach, but I didn't so I relied on women approaching, which they used to do. Just that it's very subtle, like introducing themselves, or just getting …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 07:46 AM
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Sometimes, we don't lie. I had a bunch of ons in my youth, but I was never looking for it. I just thought that many people started relationships like that. In some cases, I rejected them after having an ons, because I didn't like the way they were. Something I thougtht about when the alcohol had worn off, sometimes I did like them, but they didn't reply back. Sometimes we had sex for a week or two, before they moved on to someone else, or I rejected them. And with my partner, we continued after …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 07:07 AM
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Women are not less visual than men. They can gauge the looks of their prospective partners really easily. Women do however make choices to date the best prospect, not the most handsomen one, just like men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 06:45 AM
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Well, as much as I agree with your overall premise, the idea that it's less attractive men rejecting less attractive women doesn't really pan out. Men tend to widen their pool of women much more often than women will. Less attractive women, are wanting and dating at least average looking guys, whereas unattractive men struggle to get partners. Women's ability to get a partner is not contingent on their looks, only their ability to land a partner they consider attractive. Men's ability to get a p…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 06:43 AM
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I did when I mentioned how coupling has gone out of shared spaces and into the private online realm. We are no longer observing how and why others are coupling up. We use our own fantasies as a baseline because there is no other input. People make up reasons when they don't see how it's happening for others. An example is this sub. We don't spend time with people, so attraction doesn't grow. We know that from classroom studies, students answered differently to the question of who the most attrac…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 10:31 AM
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We are a society built on having relationships and children. Take that out completely and the world is a miserable place. Countries with very low birth rates, seem like miserable places to be. When you hardly see any children around, just a bunch of pensioners walking the street, alone. It's how I view this anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 10:17 AM
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Individuals can have unrealistic standards, sure, but if it starts to become the norm and not an exception. Then there is something more at play at the societal level that is the cause of it. That can be averted, so that it doesn't continue. Because it only leads to more unhappiness overall.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 10:08 AM
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I have a different take, people should not have unrealistic standards. That is it. I don't feel like I lowered my standards to get with my partner. But of course there are things about her that are not all 10/10 and I do not think that she is the most perfect partner in every way imaginable. On the other side, I am assuming this conversation is about looks? Where again unrealistic standards apply. Men and women have a tendency to rate themselves as average or above average at least. Where that i…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 09:12 AM
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This was studies that showed this for a slight difference in looks. If you merge this with how men are generally rated slightly less attractive on average. It seems like they are all matched on looks according to how they rank between their own sex. So if 60% of men are 4s, and 60% if women are 5s. Then it makes sense that the match for these women is a 4.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 02:06 PM
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I live in a country where 50/50 is the default, and everything else has to be worked out, agreed upon, or taken throught the courts, at a high cost. Guess what? The majority of children live one week with one parent and another week with another. Even in cases where there was some domestic violence that took place. After it's over and as long as the kids are not being harmed, they share 50/50. Men do not seem to have an inherent wish to give away their children on mass. Because they could do tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 10:08 AM
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Yes, covering up is super important in the heat, because of the high risk of sun burn. Creams are not nearly as effective as linen.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 10:00 AM
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Are we living by Islamic code now? where men are forced to lower their gaze. Talk about backward values.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 09:58 AM
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There is plenty of evidence to support certain therapy treatments, like cbt, or dbt, among others. psychotherapy I will agree, does seem to have less evdence to suggest long term improvement. But it certainly helps with reducing daily symptoms. And there is nothing wrong with that. Just like taking pain meds for your arthritis can help you to get to the gym and work out to strengthen your muscles. Which in the long term does help with improving your quality of life, with a life long disease.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 10:27 AM
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Been to therapy for mulitple issues over the years. Has worked well for me in a lot of cases. Depends on the therapist. As a guy who can also talk. Talk therapy is pretty helpful, but I also like actionable tasks. And that I can usually get more out of male therapists. Also male therapists do seem to be more empathatic. Female therapists find this hard when dealing with men (subjective exprience). I was diagnosed with BPD a few years ago. Yet its hard to get on to DBT, as I have a career, financ…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 10:22 AM
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As a guy who went from no muscles to obvous muscles, the same women I had been dating since before, suddenly started making gestures towards my body that had never happened before. She always told me, she was not into muscular guys. She now claims, her preferences have changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 08:13 AM
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Personal experience. The better looking one is actually more loyal(not a hard rule). But the less attractive one, does actually find you physically attractive in return. The good looking one, is a bit miffed, and she will desire you less.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 10:53 AM
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Chicken and the egg. Also society is becoming very looks based and women rate men as less attractive on average. This is felt by men in larger numbers than before. Hence it creates more anxiety in men. And we see the results.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 10:50 AM
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Not really. Its actually been born out in studies. On large scale studies where a group of people rate a face and we average the results. We do see there is repeatable results for the measure of attractiveness of a person. So if 100 people were asked to rate a guy, and you got a 6. If we did the same experiment again with a different set of 100 people we would get another 6 on average. This part make us think that looks are objective. But when you look into the individual rating given. There is …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 10:46 AM
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You need to define attraction, or we will all just go around in circles discussing this, with our own definition in our heads. Nobody understanding the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 10:36 AM
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Just a bunch of musings on your part.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 08:26 AM
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Where is the epicemic. I hardly every see any hot women around. Most of them are average looking. Nothing wrong with that. Similarly, most men are average too. The whole women are less visual, bears no truth. There is no evidence to support it. Just a bunch of musings, based on calling all women hot, and most men ugly. Which is just made up shit. Women love saying they do not care about looks. This says otherwise. https://www.redalyc.org/pdf/997/99752039007_2.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 07:45 AM
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Just remember that people here like to qoute studies without sources, but then if you include sources, counter them, they will simply ignore your comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 07:41 AM
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She has the genders reversed. That the reason for her answers.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 01:53 PM
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"Can smell insecurety a mile away". Almost all ass holes are insecure. That's why they are ass holes. Narcisisst(insecure), avoidant(insecure), bpd(insecure). Like basically women are saying in droves that they can't smell for shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 07:25 AM
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The chad stuff is absolutely overexaggerated in regards to casual sex. But looks matters a lot more for sex in relationships with women. More than they will on average admit, anyway. The just good looking enough guy will have less sexual attraction in a relationship, than the attractive guy. Even long term. All other things about a relationship staying equal. Looks do fade, so does sexual attraction, and many other things change. But the start of a relationship with a below average looking guy, …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 07:41 AM
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You are looking at extremes, this is never the case. Women go to the nice guy they arent all that attracted to. Maybe he shows lots of "green flags". They will sleep with him early on to secure the relationship. Then it goes a bit awkward after a few months. Again, these things arent all black and white. There is a spectrum of behaviour. Point is, if you feel like she is not so attracted, you are probably correct. Is she better looking than you, she is probably not very attracted to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 07:27 AM
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From my experience, naggers usually come with a host of other problems, and keep claiming they "compromise", without even understanding how compormist actually works. I don't mind someone that actually has some basic standards, we should all have them. But the my way or my way women( men can be like this as well) do not make for good partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 11:46 AM
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My partner had only 2 past partners and I am the 3rd. And I believe her. Then again, I am actually very low trust as a person, because I was very good at lying as a kid. Point is that many people out there can tell if you are being honest or not. Because your actual number of past partners is usually known by your friends, and they will at some point spill the beans.
/r/BlackPillScience06/08/25 11:25 AM
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Lots of women will sleep with a guy they are less attracted to in order to secure a relationship. Because of his other qualities. Sleeping with you early is not an indicator of high sexual attraction. If you are generally an observant guy and a keen listener. You will pick up on it, though. Then you should break up and move on if that is not your thing. The best time to get another girlfriend is when you have a girlfriend. Don't cheat, but side slide.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 11:02 AM
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The dudes in anime have faces that are literally perfect, pretty boy features.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 08:22 AM
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To be honest this was a bad example, because they are talking about a baby. Not a kid, then give examples of how school children need to be looked after. On the flip side, I rarely find fathers, that don't do any school drop off, or any appointments, etc. Sure this exists for some, but as a father myself. I find that there are plenty of present dads at all the school meetings. In the morning dropping off kids, at the doctors or dentist. And far more fathers than mothers at the after school activ…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 07:39 AM
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Not my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 05:27 AM
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I did Physics in uni, could just have asked me if it was true.
/r/BlackPillScience05/08/25 11:32 AM
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In the moment, it depends on the time and place. As an after thought, it certainly is. I am far more likely to be attacked outside, in a rough neighbourhood, than any woman is likely to be. I have also actually been in a fair few situations, the women were not attacked, they went after the men. The women were ignored, but we still had to stay around and make sure the women were safe. Because if they were not with us, we could have just run away. But women (on average) don't run nearly as fast. S…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 09:05 AM
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I haven't actually noticed this behaviour in practice, it might have started to become popular now, but I have generally not come across this from most women in the real world. The version that is actually prevelant is that most white women consider black and brown men to be guilty until proven innocent. This behaviour is far more common. I know, because I experience white privelage when around white men. Suddenly white women do not have their guard up around me. If I am with another brown perso…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 07:49 AM
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I disagree with the OP, but the idea that men should make sure women are safe first, is an expectation put on men, at least in society. Especially if there is an aquintance with them. The behaviour is quite common and expected, which it shouldn't be, because nobody, not even friends or romantic partners should be expected to compromis their own safety for anyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 07:44 AM
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That's fair. We are very clingy in many ways, though. Although I don't like that word. We simply like each others company, and we really enjoy the time we spend together. If anything, it's hard to start something new, like a show. Because you know the other one will want to see it too. This just means that there is less need for a lot of personal space because we don't feel the need for it. But if one were to ask, it wouldn't be a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 01:04 PM
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A good lover was found to be the second most important attribute in a stated vs reveled preferences study, for women. And got the highest points for creating attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 12:45 PM
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Sometimes people just get the looks disparity wrong. Dudes think that I guy is less attractive than them, when he actually is more attractive. Happens a lot with young people. For older people, and long term couples, there can be a myriad of factors, including people gaining weight, losing hair or both. One has a glow up, etc. So couples can become mismatched from time to time.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 12:40 PM
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This is a personal problem of yours, not everyones experience. I have, before my one and only long term relationship, had a fair amount of short term flings and one night stands. The only ones where I wanted more, is where I liked the girl for more than looks. Maybe because we knew each other beforehand or just clicked in a different way. But I have ended a bunch of flings, because I was not interested in more. Women have ended it with me because of a multitude of reasons. Including race. It is …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 12:33 PM
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In the bedroom, yes it does. Went through all these levels with the same partner. I wouldn't call it pumping and dumping. I was simply mostly only ending up in short term flings. Some they ended, some I did. Then my wife, was my first ever long term girlfriend. And I was not experienced at sex. So yes, it was not very good to start with. All I had was stamina, no other moves. She was not exactly the type to help either. So yes, a lot of focus on body language. Trying different moves. Practicing …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 12:21 PM
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Being hairy is not the preffered choice for women. Some women like it, yes. But the majority prefer men on the less hairy scale. Saying this as a hairy guy, who has dated a bunch. A bunch of women did not like it. Some tolerated it, and very few actually liked it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 07:39 AM
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Getting off-line is probably the single biggest thing you can do, in order to find a partner. Make the real world, your main source of interactin with people and things will certainly get better. Not going to say there is a 100% guarantee. But much better chance, because you are forced to meet people in person, and dating is an in person activity.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 07:36 AM
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I know this is going to be anecdotal. But here goes. My wife doesnt fit into the feminine or masculine box. On one hand she is quiet and reserved. Generally polite and very caring in a feminine way. She will apologise if she is wrong. She does not gossip. We do share the house work, but she certainly better at cooking and baking than I am. Red Pill believes that Masculinity brings about demureness and submissiveness in women, I believe it to be an inherent trait, as for whom these women pick. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 11:20 AM
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No, accepted socially? What do you mean? Also, I was in Sweden last week and really thought to myself about this American idea that all swedes are attractive. Walking around, they were all average looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 05:56 AM
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I have heard a women say "It's so nice to be with an attractive man, because now I feel the need to have an emotional connection and romance less, before wanting to have sex with him. Now I have sex for the sake of having sex". Personally I think this also applies to people that don't feel attractive themselves. They also have a hard time accepting that someone would just want to "jump their bones". So they need to feel there is a reason for their partner to be turned on towards them. And looks …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 10:09 AM
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So yes, I live here in Norway too. My points are obviously all anecdotal. Other people experiences could be very different. But I found it very hard to share the most difficult things I go through. I don't think norway as a whole is very ungendered in the way it views men and women. On the surface, maybe. But there is a lot of old school expectations of masculinity still hanging around. It might be dependent on your age, and the type of people you hang with. I used to hang with a more alternativ…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 09:18 AM
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I grew up in the UK and Scandinavia. Live in Scandinavia now.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 08:09 AM
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So, I am in a long term relationship, I have also had a fair few friends throughout the years. Both men and women. And you are absolutely right about how friendships with women work. Yet, as a man, I wished I could participate in the dynamic in much the same way that my female friends were. For example, women that confide in me, as to the problems they have, their feelings, difficulties with other people, etc. They find that I am a good listener, they like the fact that I validate their emotions…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 07:54 AM
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He is right that these women exist. But they are so dull as people that I could not stand to be around them anyway. I would rather be with a competent person, with likes and dislikes. I don't understand the need to complain about them. Let them find the douche that makes all the decisions. Same with the guy that wants to make all the decisions. What a cringy way to live life.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 01:58 PM
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Yes, I saw a couples therapist once hit back at the issue about all the labour being done by one partner. And she kind of corrected that notion, with the idea that most couples don't actually have this problem and that its much rarer than many think. What actually happens in her opinion is that everyone thinks what they are doing is worth more than what the other does. And that causes the issues. People are already playing out what they bring according to their strengths. So reframing and helpin…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 01:50 PM
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Oh, I agree so much. My grandparents, not western. He was the "head of the household", yet he handed over his paycheck to her every month. She looked after everything at home, handed him the grocerie list and he brought things home. She gave him money to go pay bills and anything else which was needed. They shared workload based on their strengths. The only tradional thing was that he got dinner served and she was a stay at home wife. Of course they talked through the big decisions together. Som…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 01:38 PM
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Lets be honest, the media and politicians still use the same propoganda playbook. We just have better independent analysts and at times video evidence which rejects the framing. We have more independent media and access to foreign media. Before what the BBC and CNN told people, was always taken for granted. The Mau Mau Massacre was not just hidden by the UK governement. The BBC was complicit, and propogandised everything around it as legitimate and necessary. If you look at those old news reels,…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 07:38 AM
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I agree with there not being any international law. Disagree with the problem being new. Powerful countries have done far worse in the proceeding years than the last 5.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 06:52 PM
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Mostly true, but still different from taking it as their own territory. Regime change is not considered to be territorial invasions in mainstream Western political discourse. They don't even consider it illegal.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 06:46 PM
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Afghanistan was not invaded to take it as a soviet state. The Soviets intervened on behalf of one side during a civil war.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 04:10 PM
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When I first started uni. More than 25 years ago. I had a senior student show me around in the first week. Each student flat had one assigned. Over some beers, one of the things he said to me was (He was white by the way). Be very careful about having a one night stand. There are many white girls, that will sleep with you, and the next day call rape, because they are ashamed to admit they slept with a brown man. Its not all about feminism. Women have been doing men over, for their choices, becau…
/r/BlackPillScience28/07/25 11:25 AM
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Yes, but the context it is applied in, many times, is one where there has not been any communication. At that point, it's not incompatibility in the sense that you laid out. Which is the version I also agree with.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 10:15 AM
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absolutely.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 09:47 AM
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You have to communicate which sexual acts you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 07:24 AM
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I had an intense fear of getting a woman pregnant. Especially if she did not seem like the woman I could share a child with. Made some mistakes, sure. I was young. But the idea that no man thinks of pregnancy is not really true. A lot of women are not worried about getting pregnant either since some people believe that contraception is foolproof.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 10:41 AM
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Men do not like to admit to sleeping with undesirable women. They mostly try to keep it a secret. Those women, on the other hand, are happy to tell everyone because she slept with a more desirable person. The same applies to women. I have heard a few women over the years admit to being embarrassed in public with a guy who had some physically undesirable characteristics. Even if she was sleeping with him. None of these situations/relationships last long. The ones that do just hurt the people invo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 10:38 AM
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My wife is, I guess, what you call upper working class. Meaning her parents were financially stable because they were frugal. She grew up around working class extended family. Education was super important to her parents(a good thing). I grew up with poor parents. Immigrant background, some good years financially, many bad. Education was also important to my parents. I still grew up around working class or poor families. We both came to uni, and she found it hard to hang with young middle/upper …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 11:45 AM
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A fair few times, usually in clubs and pubs. Because that is what I frequented when young. Mind you, I had an alternative look, so that was the scene where I did well. A fair few have introduced themselves and started a conversation. Usually, they have used an excuse of me talking to someone they know. Or generally asking who I am. On a few occasions, they have just sat down next to me, started talking, and then pulled. On a rare occasion, I have had a girl just walk up to me on a dance floor, d…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 03:42 PM
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This falls back to the argument that anyone has the right to reject anyone for any reason. Which only seems to apply to women, and with men, they suck for having such a preference. Nobody imagines a straight woman rejecting a transman, for not being a real man. It's always the other way around. Nobody complains about a transman not being allowed in mens sports. It's always the other way around. Ask a woman protesting for trans rights, who is biologically a woman, if she is trans. She will be off…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 08:24 AM
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On an individual level, this is correct. On a macro level, there should be a change that makes it easier for like minded people to meet and form relationships. The current dynamic of relationship forming is obviously broken and there is a need for change. Large inequality in any facet of life will create instability in society.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 07:38 AM
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The "male gaze" is the most misunderstood, completely wild take piece of female musing that I have ever come across. My "male gaze" has constantly taken personal likeabiltity into account. Even for hookups. I have had women that I liked open their mouth and been completely turned off. I stopped looking at her ass, it was not interesting any more. Even looks are not as important in porn for me, as much the performance of the actors. Are they at least showing that they are into it? body language, …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 11:47 AM
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24 years with the same person. I would argue that husband goggles are even stronger than wife goggles. As long as the initial attraction/attraction in the early days was strong enough. I find women over the years have been more disparaging about their husbands looks, than vice versa. In situations where I think to myself, he still thinks you are hot, you keep on saying he's not, while also being insecure about your own ageing/weight gain. Although these feelings are certainly on a spectrum, plen…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 07:11 AM
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Sorry, you right. You used the dumb private jets analogy. My bad. Still a shit analogy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 08:28 PM
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Telling someone to get out is not advocating for yourself. That's just being unnecessarily mean. Stopping them and asking them in good faith about what you would like them to do is far more compassionate. If they react badly or ignore you, by all means, tell them to get out. Not every guy is there trying to be selfish. Someone could trying in good faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 03:46 PM
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They are just repeating bullshit they hear on their phones. Most are just hanging around their own socio-economic class. I have seen girls from poorer backgrounds try to hang around with upper middle-class boys. They have to endure a lot of snotty behaviour. It's not for the faint-hearted.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 03:40 PM
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All classes generally marry within their own class. If you're rich, chances that you will only go for a financially stable partner are low.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 03:37 PM
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In revealed vs stated preferences research, women cared a lot more about looks than they stated and less about money/status than they stated. Men cared more about financial stability than they stated, too. Men also cared about looks more than they stated, but the gap was much smaller. Both men and women cared about looks the most over every other attribute. This included a sexy body. A good lover was also right at the top. Somewhere, relegated to a lower position and generally overstated prefere…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 03:35 PM
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I didn't call you the bad guy. You took my reply in bad faith. I clearly said it was an interaction where I could see the part you played. Yet what they said back was worse. Men or women can respond badly when we respond harshly to what was maybe originally neutral in their heads. You also went straight to my gender in order to denigrate me. Which is just sad. Words are spoken with a certain tone. Excuse me, can be a genuine query as to not having heard them or an expression of not liking what t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 03:20 PM
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Your response was meant to make him feel like shit about what he said. He then reacted, wrongly I agree. But you did provoke negative emotions with how you responded. Learn to own your part in the interaction. Not calling you worse, just stating how we can contribute to the interactions around us. I have had the same thing, got told by a woman that I had "come to bed eyes". I said "thanks", she said "Omar Sharif", I said "Dr. Zhivago?" She laughed and the interaction ended. If I said "Excuse me"…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 01:54 PM
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I replied to a comment claiming people had to accept their lot in life, who compared being poor to flying private jets and how no one complains about that and just gets on with their life. You just butted in and started having a go at my response to that, although nothing in what you said had anything to do with what I was responding to. Much of what you said was pulled from what others one here say or talk about, and you superimposed that on my views. Try to be fair next time when you respond t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 11:34 AM
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I am comparing it to owning private jets. Read through the comments first. I was arguing the absurdity of the notion that you can not discuss or complain about the "hand you are dealt" in life. And how it affects your life outcomes. Also, everyone dies in the end, so safety, income, and security could be considered irrelevant by that measure? I consider this line of thinking absurd, just like the comparison to private jet owners. The only thing that outlasts you are your genes, so a human being …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 11:12 AM
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What a bad faith argument. The reason for wanting equality between the sexes just went out the door. As if, "Just live with the hand you were dealt and stop complaining about gender inequality? Sounds awful when the shoe is on the other foot, Right? As for people having private jets, I consider that wrong too, because the rest of society has to bear the burden of the waste these people create. Someone out there is writing essays about it. May not be you, but it's certainly a valid point of conte…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 09:44 AM
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Most women are not demisexual. If you are, fine. But don't generalise that onto most women and make it a female attribute.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 09:56 AM
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I agree with you, totally inappropriate. It just needs to be spoken about without gendering the issue. As there is a double standard, that no one wants to acknowledge.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 09:51 AM
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Please, women say the most unhinged stuff. I have had a work colleague in the past hit on me, in the most creepiest of ways. Said some really unhinged stuff. All the while knowing that I was in a relationship and not interested. She loudly proclaimed that she would get me to cheat on my girlfriend and didn't mind fucking guys that were taken. Thankfully, some nicer women at work stepped in and helped put an end to it. Also my girlfriend decided to pick me up from work one friday evening, dressed…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 09:47 AM
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Think, the last time they surveyed women it was close to 81%, who wouldn't date a bi man and 60 odd% that wouldn't kiss one. Bi men remain the highest number of closeted LGBTQ group to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 10:21 AM
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Trans women cannot have biological children. That is a major factor in not wanting to date one. They are usually not fully female passing either. As in, you can tell. Which would be pretty big deal breakers for a straight man. Bisexual men, have simply had sex with another man. They are monogomous when dating. Unless they state that they are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 10:17 AM
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If we're just bringing anecdotal experience to this discusssion. I have mostly just had penis comments from women or heard women bring up penis size as a thing to talk about. Men generally in my life just crack jokes about it. To be fair, this was decades ago, as with getting older, I noticed it all just died down, and nobody past the age of 25 ever brought up penis size again. For me personally, I had a lot of women as friends, usually in groups. Not all, but some women in these groups would us…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 07:09 AM
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No, but honestly, you have to be the type, of the type of woman you want. This goes for women, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 05:34 AM
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Do you speak for all women?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 05:31 AM
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Because many people put so much stock in maturity as being overly serious about life, all the time, that they consider having fun, something that children do, or something to do on a rare occasion. It's a great way to stop enjoying the journey that life is.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 02:45 PM
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Okay I agree with your point, yet I personally a prefer wisdom, some confidence, and fun as the traits I am attracted too. Too much maturity is not fun. Too much confidence is arrogance and usually unintelligent. Intelligence is also a trait I am attracted too.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 02:40 PM
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Depends on the person, in general, no. All people tend to become less attractive as they age, simply because of modern lifestyles. Also if a person keeps their looks somewhat going, it's a bit subjective, but they would be considered attractive either way, just be more appealing to their individual age groups. I feel like I look better today than when I was young, my partner agrees, but she probably would not have agreed, when we met. As she wasn't into men in their 40s, and she was into the sty…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 02:37 PM
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My wife digs my Gundam models and thinks they are fucking cool. Same with my RC collection and I find her love of Lego Star Wars irresistable. Currently she is egging me on to by a new GPU, so she can have mine, before she starts playing her next game.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 02:13 PM
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The physically attractive ones are, sure. But as man in my 40s, most people my age are no longer attractive, and usually don't give a shit either. Which is fine. But there are very few that try to keep themselves looking healthy and fit.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 02:10 PM
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As a guy that was not very bothered about not dating older women, yes some of those qualities are very attractive. But there needs to be a certain level of physical attraction too. Hence it wasn't the age, more if they they were physically attractive(to me) or not. Some older women look better than a lot of younger women and vice versa. But on the whole far more older women have let themselves go quite a bit. Which is fine, but I would not find them attractive if I was looking for someone. At my…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 02:07 PM
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Could you who is so wise explain to me how an arranged marriage takes place?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 03:18 PM
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I am not discussing legality here in regards to the definition of rape. I think your comprehension is off.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 03:17 PM
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Might not be, but we are talking of people getting arranged married, not forced married. A forced marriage can be arranged, and arranged marriage is not always forced. These countries do have problems with forced marriages, yet they remain illegal in those countries. Wonderful people are constantly working at changing those attitudes from the inside and have come a long way. These are topics of conversation on talk shows in those countries. People are shamed for espousing forced marriage as a go…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 03:02 PM
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Joking about what?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 02:13 PM
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Nobody was advocating for it in this thread. It was implied that arranged marriage was a lead in to rape. That there was no love or attraction in these marriages. Pakistan and Iraq were sited as examples.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 11:25 PM
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Yes, arranged marriage is through consent. Otherwise, it is known as forced marriage. People in arranged marriages do find each other attractive and want to be with each other. They have sex through consent. Meaning both want to have sex with each other at that time. I am sure both non arranged and arranged marriages have people that push boundaries on sex, which is wrong. But it is not inherently tied to how they got hitched. There is no need for name calling. I am neither a proponent for, nor …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 10:55 PM
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Actually, urbanisation is the biggest factor in lower birth rates.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 05:51 PM
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It's not that love doesn't exist, it's that sex is the start. Every relationship I have been in and those that didn't turn into love or relationships. Still all started with sex, without any love.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 05:49 PM
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You think people getting arrange married are not consenting to have sex with their partner? I am guessing you have some proof to substatiate these claims?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 05:46 PM
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There is such a thing as emotional attachment. You have to see how emotionally invested she is. If not, then you are going to be in this predicament. Sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 11:48 AM
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Yes, in a relationship, especially with kids, this is the only way it works. My wife and I enjoy staying in shape and seeing each other in shape. So that is exactly what we have to do. One does dinner and homework, while the other goes out to the gym. We alternate days. Then people ask how we both do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 07:57 AM
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Neither of those are settling in my book. Settling is when we feel we could have done better and but are willing to trade that choice for inaction. That really sucks for the partner. I can't do any better, if true, is not settling. It's realism.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 01:48 PM
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Just like all the padded bras I took off in my 20s? /s
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 12:32 PM
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Incels have the same political distribution as the population at large.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/25 06:23 AM
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Okay, this goes against my experience, but sure. Could there be any reason other than looks that causes them to be chronically virgins? Have they ever approached actually unattractive men?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 08:29 PM
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By doing actual research on the subject. It's not refuted. It's contextualised and shown not to be as common as people make it out to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 08:27 PM
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Incel/red pill ideology is irrefutably misogynistic. Please look up the work done by William Castello. It's rather enlightening. And compares common narratives to real research on the subject.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 03:18 PM
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If its a trope that exists, then someone is saying it, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 01:59 PM
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Racist incel is a pretty common trope around people these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 01:57 PM
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I remember this lot. They always put me down for my looks, I was short and asian(uk). They always wondered why I was dating the pretty girl, and they struggled. It can't be looks they said. Because I was the counterexample. 20 odd years later, I am going through old uni photos in front of some friends, sharing what we looked like at 20. And my photo has me and all these guys next to me. All the women said, "I was really handsome next to all those unfortunate looking guys."
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 01:31 PM
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I'm sorry, but what? Not what I was saying. So if men had the same standards, women would also be virgins due to their looks? Okay, I agree. It would be as bad for women then.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 01:05 PM
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Women who are virgins are virgins because of religion. So they want a hot virgin, religious man. Secular male virgins are such because of mostly looks. Those virgin women don't want them either. Do exceptions exist, sure. But generally, the above is true.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 12:50 PM
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Honestly? Pretty easily. Are you doing the thing(s) they're complaining about men doing? If not, then they're not referring to you. It's really that easy. But if I identify with something that they are using to refer at men doing those things, example, incel. Then there will be push back. People can't conflate things and then not expect pushback? Like conflating Muslims with terrorists, then telling other Muslims that if you're not a terrorist, then move along, because I'm only using muzzy to de…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 12:46 PM
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No just asking, glad you clarified that. I'll take your word for it
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 11:21 AM
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Are you racist?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 11:09 AM
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Didn't say that, but being involuntarily celibate does not make anyone a racist. Lots of my friends struggled with women when I was young. Lack of looks, which led to isolation, was the most common denominator. They were very decent people. The racists had no problem dating. One very pretty girl was dating a Nazi. He had no problems dating even lefty women. He was good-looking. That helped. The ugly nazis were "ew racist." Nit the good-looking ones. Most incels have minority backgrounds and Libe…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 10:47 AM
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40% of incels are from minority backgrounds.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 08:02 AM
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Some of these are age appropriate too. Somebody who is 18-21 and from a poor home, might be living on a mattress with a pc in the corner at this age. I was there at one point, I am also the one that took the lead on renovating and decorating our home when we baught it a decade ago. Same for sloppy clothing, I was an alternative type, sloppy clothing was my jam. I did however showere and shave regularly. Many othere things I agree with, within reason. I worry more about people with no red flags.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 02:16 PM
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There might be less women on the apps, because they match quicker and find someone. Then are off the apps. Question is, do they have a much smaller number of women as lifetime users or is that eqaul too.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 09:40 AM
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Yeah, no. Most guys were struggling to meet women back in the day too. It wasn't easy, but we did put ourselves out there more, because it was mostly the only thing that a person could do. I mean, it was easy to tell who would struggle hard back in the day, because male looks have always mattered far more than is advertised. What I do think was different, is that when you matched with another person, it was public, not on an app. The boys and girls might have been eyeing up the same people, but …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 09:35 AM
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I actually don't have a problem with people being shallow. Just that they act as if they are not. People that have partners they are not all that attracted to. Yet keep claiming that they only date based on personality. Love them for who they are on the inside, yada, yada. Nobody asks the partner if they feel desired?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 12:08 PM
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You don't feel full body orgasms when you ejaculate? That's because most women are lazy in bed and don't try hard enough. I got the rare one that gives me great orgasms. She is sweating bricks when she is done though. We both have a great workout.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 11:39 AM
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Your analysis is spot on, yet I definitely see a difference in how we view these things through a more gendered lens. Women are given more space to denigrate their partners' looks, even in public, whereas men are expected to know better. An observation I have made that made me cringe a lot over the years. For other men, since I was lucky enough to be on the receiving end of it. I think that is the spirit of the opening post. Yet he bombs on the delivery.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 01:23 PM
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I meant the opening post. Sorry, I just realised how it sounded. Not what I meant.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 12:28 PM
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This was badly worded. I think the more apt one is. She might be fat and not conventionally attractive, my exes were hot and sexy, that I have dated before. But I can see past that and still be attracted to her. I have seen a real-life post like this before. And the whole community flipped on the man for saying such a horrible thing. So I do think there is a double standard here. Personally I have experienced an even weirder one, which is, you are my exact physical type, but other guys I dated w…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 11:19 AM
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There is a lot of assumptions in that. I have my own spending habits, people judge too quickly. I think that is what this thread is more about.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 08:45 AM
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Oh no, I agree, I am updated enough about my needs when it comes to tech, that I will not upgrade for the sake of it. I would rather solder a new battery to my old headphones than spend 500 quid on a new one. Does not make me out of date, makes me realise that the new model offers very little new.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 07:58 AM
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Using the latest gadgets does not make one "technologically advanced." Unfortunately a lot of people certainly think this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 07:46 AM
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This is a great tool for filtering out dumb useless women, I am lucky that I only use Android. Although I really liked my windows phone 13 years ago. Never like any apple products.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 07:42 AM
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We are all different.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 07:22 AM
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I have been sad disappointed and angry, I have been ecstatic, in bliss and happy as fuck. That is what a relationship of 24 years does to you. One can not exist without the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 11:11 PM
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I am not red pill or blue pill or anything else. But what exactly do you want people to change their mind on? Saying red pill is so unspecific.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 07:06 AM
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A sex bot won't make me sad, dissapointed, annoyed and angry sometimes. That is not a I life I want. A real person makes me feel all my emotions. I am ecstatic because I was sad. I am chuffed, because I was annoyed. I do not connect with a robot.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 06:52 AM
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Depends on who you date. I won't date a person that expects me to pay. I have never really had that situation though, most women I dated when I was young, were simply sharing the cost of whatever we were getting up to. If it got serious, it was whoever has money that day. I was very poor though, so there was no way around it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 02:16 PM
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But this is just not true for most men. Even me. I was told I am attractive by many women. But mass appeal I did not have. I did however have enough interest to be able to actively participate in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 01:44 PM
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She was not attractive, she was not very likeable either. Thankfully, they were just aquintances. But me and my wife would just stare when she talked about her fella. My wife was disgusted, as she would never disparage me in front of others.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 01:00 PM
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Oh, I've been with my partner for 24 years. Married 14. We just finished playing Baldursgate 3. Took us a year as we have kids. We were really poor for a decade(lots of partying), and now we are definitely middle class. We have always had a lot in common, had the most fun time, and really enjoyed our 20s. This will be a bit braggy, but why not. My wife and I are quite attractive for our age, especially her. Friends and aquintances are always perplexed that we are still so affectionate with each …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 12:24 PM
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Yet, I do empathise with guys who have very little interest. They have a harder time being picky.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 11:54 AM
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Absolutely, I strongly agree that the issue isn't one-sided. Although we do heavily look at both these situations from wildly different lenses. Unfortunately. In fact, there is a book called Not Always in the Mood, I feel a must-read by all wives and girlfriends. Men's sexual and romantic feelings are heavily understudied. This book delves into the research that exists and frames it quite eloquently.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 11:04 AM
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It took you this long to figure this out? I was like this over 2 decades ago. I want an intelligent girl, with similar hobbies. So I geek the fuck out infront of a potential interest. If she dislikes it, great. Talk about how skint I am on every date, if she says me too. We are a go. I do not want to date a posh c**t, or a girl looking for a posh c**t. Luckily I got enough attention to be a bit like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 10:22 AM
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Unfortuantely one doesn't lead to as many dead bedrooms as some women would like you to believe. Doing the chores does not get you laid. Being handsome does.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 10:12 AM
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This is an extreme, found in both sexes, not just men. I have only been around slobs in my 20s. And there was an equal share of men and women. In fact the worst house I saw, was a bunch of girls living together. There are not a record number of sexless men in relationships who are acting like this. As an anecdote, the guy that did all the housework and was doing most of the mental load, was mocked behind his back by his wife, for not being manly enough. She then divorced him. Nicest guy I have e…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 10:09 AM
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Yes, thank you for getting personal. I am happily married and in the same relationship for 24 years. Could not dream of having sex with anybody else, as regular sex with a partner that cares about my emotional well-being is better than anything I could wish for. I am, however, empathetic to the plight of young men and participate in this debate to share my perspective. Sometimes you will agree and sometimes not. I am not pilled in any way. I do, however, agree and disagree with perspectives on a…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 08:57 AM
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Most of the men of r/deadbedrooms are doing far more at home than the guys on r/sex. The guys in my personal life that complain about intimacy issues are usaually whipped, equals fare much better. Not having a back bone is unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 08:25 AM
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And he was born an ugly male, thats unfortunate for him too? Both have something that keeps them down,
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 08:13 AM
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You see, the problem isn't just that they did these things. The problem is victim shaming and blaming. Which men are on the end of a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 09:40 PM
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You are using red pill talking points. This is not society at large, some weird shitty men on YouTube. I do not subscribe to their beliefs. Society at large does, however, shame men when their partners are treating them badly. It happens all the time. A man who is a pushover and abused is derided for it. Told to grow a pair. Does not apply to women. They are helped and advised kindly. If my wife yelled and berated me in public, nobody would bat an eyelid if I did the reverse. Police would get ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 01:04 PM
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Men are judged for picking bad partners, they are even considered to be the bad partner when they are the victims. What did you do to make her cheat on you? What did you do to make her hit you? What did you do to make her angry and scream?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 12:24 PM
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Lost enough to read the article, and realise the writer is making wild assumptions,
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 10:49 AM
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The article makes a claim that male orgasm is purely physiological in nature and then talks about a study where only women were surveyed. As always, mens sexualitly remain more understudied than womens sexuality. Yet the writer make wild claims about men that are wholly inappropriate.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 10:40 AM
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Psychology today is full of outdated garbage. Not a great source.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 08:53 AM
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I'm not sure what you meant by "tribes." Also, what do you mean by random? Asking in good faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 07:55 PM
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You just agree with me. In this case, they overlook the good and focus on the negative, and the negative is your partners looks. Which is a tough spot to be in as the less attractive partner, as it's another thing to be thrown out for.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 12:28 PM
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She does from the sounds of it. Currently been with my wife for 24 years. She has never been materialistic in any way. We were both sharing the cost of dating right from the start. She was the one buying me rounds on the first meet. Because she wanted to keep things going and didn't want the date to stop. In the early days of dating, she would pay for as much, if not slightly more than I did. I never felt like she cared, she would rather go out with me and pay, than not. I did obviously not take…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 10:31 AM
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Only the impression of the wrong type of woman. That's the point. Men should only care about women that don't form an impression based on this. I never payed for dates, most of the time, we shared or payed depending on who had some money. As for drinks, it's always been buying each other rounds. Never dated a person that cared about me buying her things. I wonder why I got so lucky, maybe the indication was there from the start?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 09:59 AM
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Lets be honest, when there is a discrepency in looks, we now the more attractive partner is thinking they could do better, whenever the couple fights. It's hard enought to have your personality being judged in that moment, but we all know that the less attractive partners looks are being judged too. Self aware people don't like to be in that situation. It's double trouble.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 08:43 AM
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Although I agree with this take, I have back when I lived with a bunch of women, had them comment on the attractiveness of my date and tell me I could do better. So for my experience at least, I believe women do have a tendency to make such remarks. Never noticed strangers doing it though.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 08:37 AM
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Just my personal experience, maybe because of where I live, The mixed race couples tend to be more mismatched, with the white person being the less attractive one in most cases. Those couples rarely get comments. If you get a white person who is attractive with their looksmatch or even a slight discrepency(white more attractive), that couple gets a lot of hate. Especially attractive white woman with minority man.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 08:32 AM
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I think they were embarrased for it. My personal take, also because I overheard something or once through the grapewine. I overheard one girl I had a crush on, that seemed equally flirty saying that she could never date a guy like me, because she wouldn't be able to explain it to her family, friends. Another time, a friend told me that a girl(friend of friend), that I pulled and exchanged numbers with, was not interested, because her social group would not approve of her dating non white man. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 08:53 AM
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I felt used as a man on many occasions, mainly because the intentions were not made explicit. As in the women that were having a casual relationship with me, did not tell me it was casual. I should just have assumed it, becuase they would be funny about hanging out in a way that seemed romantic. Which I would confuse for disinterest in being attracted to me, only for me to end up in bed with them again. Then as my feelings for wanting more were raised, they would bolt. Mind you this happened mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 08:07 AM
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Same applies the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 11:26 AM
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The largest looks difference I know of is this couple we have as friends. She is very slim tall attractive Japanese lady with a very obese white guy that works in hotel management. She comes from more money so it wasn't that. I knew that they had met in uni, when they were both in Australia. One day I saw old pictures of them, he was slim and tall 18 year old, and she was the same, but her makeup game was not nearly as good as it is now. She also fixed her teeth. Sometimes looks go in different …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 11:23 AM
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He could like women with some chub, or on the other hand, she might have gained chub in the recent past, he even offers to go to the gym with her, eat healthier. Maybe she is positive towards it, maybe she isn't. Maybe it leads to a break up, maybe he doesn't mind since he likes her so much and is loyal. Just so many variables, in what is basically a snapshot of a specific moment in a relationship that lasts over many changes. People read too much into things. A lot of people put on weight after…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 11:15 AM
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She could have been referring to the size of her nether regions?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 07:40 AM
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I actually vote communist, so I hide it too. Better off telling people that I don't vote because I don't like any of the parties.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 07:38 AM
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I partied with through my teens and met a girl who partied through her teens. At the age of 20. We got together and partied together through our 20s. Had kids and a house in our 30s and can sometimes party in our 40s. If my mom keeps the kids on a Saturday night. It's like twice a year at this point. Do not regret the partying. But we were not hooking up with people right, left, and centre. We actually liked the parties.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 02:20 PM
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Okay, and anecdotally, my wife hardly ever felt unsafe in any enviroment. She lived in the shadiest part of a pretty violent city and felt fine. I didn't when I was there. Then we were attacked on two different occasions. I Had to be protective during both. Felt even more unsafe and on edge after those two moments. She went about her day like there was no tomorrow. Told me she was really happy about how much I could protect her. I thought she was insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 12:41 PM
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I think it's pretty anecdotal to say you feel safe so it must apply to the majority of men. Men are usually afraid to voice them feeling unsafe for fear of ostrasization. A man would not dare say that in public.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 12:23 PM
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Not for women, it seems. Looks like ugly men are willing to date ugly women. Not the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 05:33 PM
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Exactly, and I would raise eyebrows when they complained that she was being rejected by someone who wasn't even hot. Like, he is more attractive than you. Yet you are offended by him not saying yes and then calling him unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 02:16 PM
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Yet ,the common narrative around this is that looks "only matter for women and men can get away with being ugly." Many women call their husbands ugly and try to claim they are still in love with them despite their looks. It's self engrandising, which makes me shudder every time. Average women need to stop calling their average partners unattractive. They aren't. Or you both are. There is something really wrong with society, where the privileged are constantly telling the unprivileged that they a…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 01:22 PM
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Why would I make a move, when I can't read your mind either? It's a power play on womens part, where they keep their feeling to themselves and force the man to open up.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 12:47 PM
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So men should assume that no women are ever interested in them, by this logic?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 12:42 PM
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Maybe, but a came across a study that found the least attractive men had the hardes time finding a partner, followed by average and then attractive men. Sounds fine, until the found that looks did not have any affect on a womans chance of finding a partner. Not a persons chance of finding an attractive partner or perfect partner. Just a partner of any type. So it turned out that looks only really mattered for men, especially unattractive men. Average ond good looking men did not have a large dis…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 12:00 PM
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It means that you are less likely to be seen as dateable by the opposite sex. That is essentially making you less desirable. I agree it is socially constructed, I don't try to let it affect me. I have been fine despite it. I can still recognise it as being true.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 10:21 PM
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Like racial hierarchy doesn't exist in western countries? Most minorities could even write out the racial ranking by group as a list in the places they live. It's not hard to notice when you live that experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 02:02 PM
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Welcome to the minority male experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 01:54 PM
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Okay, but that sounds very specific to your situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 01:11 PM
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We both work full time. Just accept that it's not gonna look good around the house mid week.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 10:01 AM
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Drop of swamp water in a desert is what alot of guys are looking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 09:34 AM
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Do you find it's not that much better at this age. You say to yourself that they were helpful, but know that it took more effort to just get them to do a half arsed job.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 09:23 AM
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This is a parent thing, not a gender or relationship thing. I have the same feeling. loved living with my wife in a small flat. I would clean the whole thing inside out in less than 2hrs on a saturday morning. 2 story house with kids is a shit show in comparison. It takes twice the time to just tidy the whole thing. Then I looks around and start thinking about cleaning. They are at the age where I get them on board with helping to clean, but they hardly manage their own room in that time. With c…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 09:20 AM
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No, I dated a 30 year old woman when I was 20. She did not feel scary to me. I remember a fair few people dating in larger age gap relationships. Many didn't work out, as didn't many that were of the same age. Same shit to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 07:16 AM
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Honestly, as someone that is much older, I have never even thought for a second that women wanted anything but a guy that was attractive. The only thing I wondered from 15-18 was about how attractive I was to the opposite sex, I did however mistakenly believe that women that were average looking would be happy to date an average looking guy. That not being true, surprised me the most. Young women are usually waiting for a better option than the guys at their own level. I actually thought I was n…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 08:37 AM
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You are wrong my friend. Women's looks have no effect in finding a romantic partner. Only in finding at least an average looking partner. Men's looks count towards them being able to find any romantic partner whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 08:54 AM
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All women are 10/10 you see. Hence all average men are dating knock outs.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 08:40 AM
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I remember reading a study(peer reviewed) linked from this sub. Have not been able to find it since myself. It litterally found that women's looks did not matter in their ability to find a romantic partner. There was no statistical difference between highly attractive women and unattractive women. This was not true for men, where the chances were much lower for unnattractive men compared to average men, the highly attractive men only did slightly better than the average looking guy. This is the …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 08:31 AM
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Yeah, Im sure there are individual dynamics at play, I was just hypothesising to one aspect of dating today..
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 09:03 AM
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I agree, I have however seen data to suggest that unattractive men(looks) have a much lower chance of finding even one partner. Whereas for average to attractive men, the gap was much narrower. For women, the chance of finding a partner was not predicated on their looks. Unnatractive to highly attractive women had an eqaul chance of finding a romantic partner. They did not study the chance of getting a highly attractive or desirable partner, just a partner. The study was designed with the idea t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 08:25 AM
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I think the 20% or top percent issue comes from not being in the room while people in your dating pool are getting hitched off, so to speak. Mainly because of apps and other social media dating. Like when I was younger the same stuff happened. Everyone in a place was checking out the best looking people. But as the night went on and people started talking, we would naturally gravitate away from the taken person and try talking to someone else. Now that doesnt happen, people on the apps can have …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 08:14 AM
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I know, I realised that and stopped. Thanks for your comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 11:56 AM
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This is one example, where individual personality will play a huge role. You cannot control for one variable. Completely pointless discussion at this point. Me and my wife both work full time, fortunately we have 40 hrs/5 days a week and manage a good work life balance. We both contribute to raising kids. We try our best at raising happy children.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 11:55 AM
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You are right, but if we are truly talking about unattractive men? Not some weird definition like beta bux, or average guy, or just not chad. But truly visually unattractive men? They have statistically the least chance of all humans in finding a partner. Far less than average men or attractive men (who have oddly not so dissimilar a chance). Hence I think that visually unattractive/ugly men is a distinct category of humans, who have it extremely difficult in the mating game. I have started to u…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 11:44 AM
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Ugly chicks that want to sit around a watch TV shows with them, but then go and fuck the only attractive dude in the polycule.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 08:19 AM
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Among others, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 02:32 PM
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Thanks. Hence, my claim is that neither men nor women are overlooking looks. They are all just making value judgements on each other. And the whole woman care less about looks just irks me because I don't think it's true. In fact, studies on stated vs revealed partner preferences showed that women downplay the importance of looks much more than men do. While the actual value they put on looks was as much as men did. Oddly enough, emotional stability was overstated by both men and women. I actual…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 01:58 PM
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I know all women are not out for a man's money. I never said that. I'm saying that people are generally trying to work out who will date them and then take it from there. Men and women alike.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 01:01 PM
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No, I'm saying that they do this, not knowing what they are perceived as by the opposite sex. And again, not all men. In our youth, we are all unsure. Especially average people.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 12:59 PM
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This is a myth. Men are not doing this. But since they are approaching, they certainly shoot their shot with more attractive women before realising it ain't gonna work. On the whole, unnatractive men have the least chance of finding a partner. While women's looks don't affect their chance of finding a partner. But how good-looking that partner is. That is affected.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 08:43 AM
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It also assumes that every woman can have a conventionally attractive man. They are not a dime a dozen. Most women are average, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 08:36 AM
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You are right, but men call average women attractive, and women call average men unattractive. So when they get hitched. The story is narrated using that vocabulary. Hence, the confusion. I'm not making any judgement on both parties. Most people are average.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 08:31 AM
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I think this applies to most people, even men. Since most people aren't conventionally attractive. Men just call their average women attractive and leave it at that. Of course, the attraction grows with a bond.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 08:27 AM
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It's called mate retention behaviour. There is a whole heap of scientific research around this. And you are right. Also, women who consider themselves more attractive than their partners tend to more openly entertain other men and call it controlling when called out. They are also more likely to be cold to their partners. So it goes both ways. On the flip side, women who are less attractive than their partners also display mate retention behaviours. There are positive and negative mate retention…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 08:21 AM
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It's not, I only speak from personal experience. My partner does not want her clit touched all the time. I have asked. I have brought this topic up with her. She said she sometimes just wants dick. And she doesn't want oral. She loves morning quickies. Quickies are not always conducive to making her cum. As even with PIV, it can take a short while. Yes oral is a sure fire way to make her cum. That I agree with. Yet she likes it less than PIV. Her preference, not mine. I sometimes give oral witho…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 07:31 AM
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You are missing the point so badly and then putting words in my mouth. I am simply saying that het couples sometimes only have PIV sex and leave the oral stuff alone. Like a Quickie. Which isn't something lesbians would normally do. And it's not only because men want it. Het women want to only have PIV quickies, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 12:14 AM
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Not all het sex is oral. And that is okay. It doesnt mean the guy wouldnt do it if asked. Sometimes het women just want dick. That happens too. Some of these women only orgasm through oral, but want dick and no oral. That is their choice. There will always be a gap. Lesbians are not having a lot of quickies.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 11:23 PM
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Gay sex is not the same as straight sex. If the argument is that men should only do what lesbians do and nothing more, then you are right. The moment there is a penis in the mix, heterosexual sex will occur. Sometimes without oral All het women do not always want oral. Sometimes they will themselves go straight to PIV and not orgasm. There will allways be a disparity. Nobody is at fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 11:16 PM
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I found that diet made the biggest difference when combined with my training for aeshetics. Plus using a bunch of isolation excercises to work muscles I wanted to grow specifically.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 02:24 PM
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Completely disagree with the above poster. Average men are able to find a person to date. Its unnattractive men that have it bad. Problem we have today is that unnattractive men are calling themselves average.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 09:38 AM
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You are right, mens looks are key to be able to find a partner. Ugly men are playing on very hard mode. Womens looks are key to be able to find an attractive partner. But makes no difference in their chance of finding a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 09:34 AM
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Oh yes, the confidence that came from having people want to compliment me again? The confidence that came from comments about my body? The confidence that came from people telling me I am an attractive guy? That confidence?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 09:23 AM
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Whats the difference? I train for aesthetics, used to train for the fuck of it. Now I do it for a reason. I know what Im doing. But just interested in what your perspective is?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 09:03 AM
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Why do women then proceed to state the size and fighting ability of their man in this context?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 01:36 PM
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I think that applies to me as a man, too. When I fantasised about women, there were happenings, not just static pictures. But the happenings included physical features. Maybe we are all just describing the same stuff with different language? Or maybe people are different? Not just men vs women? Although the way its framed sometimes can make people believe that the actions can be performed by an unnatractive man to achieve the same arousal, when looks are an integral part of said arousal?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 12:05 PM
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I said I agreed with you. You don't need to prove something to me that I agree with. I have always been on your side of this argument, with women. Women in the 90s and 2000s were very vocal about their attraction mens bodies. Examples of things like Magic Mike, etc, was part of my argument. Yet, it was argued that all men shown topless on TV was for the male gaze. Now that men are starting to believe this, they again are getting shit for it. And yes, the women that argue this, are making it seem…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 08:39 AM
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I agree with you, unfortunately there is a vocal group of women out there telling men that women are not turned on by mens looks, especially their bodies. So, maybe their message is getting mainstream traction?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 08:19 AM
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I'm 44 and put effort in to my appearance. It would be hard for me to compare my routine to you as we are doing different things. I definetely spend a fair amount of time on my hair(hairy guy). Skin care is basic and generally I dress well. The most time I spend is in the gym, and that is 2-4 days a week, an 1 1/2hr each time. I also dress fairly well and put some effort into my clothes. I agree that most guys my age don't look great. But I find everyone my age is like that, they all claim they …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 11:25 AM
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Pair bonding is a process which applies to both men and women. It isn't a gendered thing. Pair bonding is a problem for adults, in friendships too.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 03:38 PM
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Tell a woman that she will never be allowed to have a child. Not choose, but allowed to have a child. Becuase her genes are too inferior to warrant procreation. Because that is the subliminal messaging society sends to the virgin man.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 10:08 AM
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Think of a guy who has been rejected a significant amount of times before even having one relationship. That guy is going in super insecure. It's not a great setup for starting a relationship. And we never talk about this. But this is a decent percentage of men. To top it off, he is probably unattractive, too. Hence, all the rejections before.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 09:56 PM
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We do. my wife is happy that I am not overly ambitious, because that means we spend more time together. I found a middling career and am no longer interested in climbing the ranks from here on in. Because the minute I do, I will spend more hours at work. More money yes, but the hours will also be more. We do live comfortably well. She work too, and is in the same boat. We both work 40 hrs a week Yet, when women that want an ambitious man say this. We can also see the hypocracy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 12:02 PM
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Because they can have sex and not orgasm, but when we have similar problems, we literally can't get it up. Hence, no sex. So, the statistics leave that out.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 11:46 AM
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I disagree, as a man. I would struggle to hold a strong erection if I was having anxiety. Happens a lot. Is not part of the statistic. Same with ED. not part of the orgasm gap statistic. Even though women struggle with PIV orgasms if they a circulation issues. Or as measured in studies. Coming from PIV was correlated with waist circumference.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 10:59 AM
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I can only give my personal take here. There are plenty of times when my wife wants to go straight to PIV. No oral. It's called a quickie, she likes them more than me. She has asked for more quickies. If you asked her straight up how often she cums, and she answered only that question. She would have sessions where she didn't cum more often than me. If you asked her who is to blame, she would probably say herself. Because I have no problems going down on her. As for oral, I do it more often than…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 09:22 AM
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The point is that if a fraction of women want PIV quickies with their partner, then the stats will show a gap larger than that compared to lesbians, who won't do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 08:38 AM
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How many of those women that are in het relationships, actually were not interested in oral when engaging with their partners? Is that a question the positid?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 06:48 AM
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So I agree, women cum easier from oral than from PIV, on most days. Does this mean that I should force oral on my woman, even when she wants to go straight to PIV? Because I am trying to narrow the orgasm gap? If I don't, the gap will remain and women as a group will complain. But if I take into account multiple orgasms, then the gap goes the other way, as I am usually only getting one orgasm per session. And even if she sometime doesn't cum, she on other occasions has 4-5. Is that part of the c…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 06:46 AM
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Yes, men do that. Hence the unattractive men are selecting unattractive women, who in turn do not want them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 11:08 AM
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This stuff is from self reported data. Lots of research into revealed vs stated preferences has come up since then. As for attraction growing. That's true for men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 01:06 PM
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Not really, always been more single/childless men than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 10:05 AM
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I agree, completely, I think men that struggle are usually below average in looks. Hence the average men struggle to find anybody mantra. Because they call themselves average. Also I think women call average looking men ugly. Hence them being open to dating ugly(average) men. Then suddenly his looks grow on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 09:29 AM
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Can't find a link right now. Read a study on this a while back. Makes sense though. Even ugly girls can find a boyfriend, ugly men struggle hard. When women say lots of ugly men with attractive women, they are saying lots of average men with average women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 09:16 AM
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What of doesn't start this way put is normal after 3 years. Like she is was very fritid the first 2 years, but year 3-6 is the way you described? How do you explain that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 08:55 AM
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Not for unattractive men, they have a much lower chance of finding a partner, than average or attractive men. For women, their chances of finding a partner do not depend on their looks. Just for clarification, not their chance of finding multiple partners or attractive partners. But just a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 08:53 AM
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This is so true, my engagement ring cost me 20 quid, when I was 24. And had very little money. She liked it, because it looked nice, and the meaning behind it. She has never taken it off. Wears it all the time. We have a fair bit more money today(we never thought we would ever be middle class, but here we are). So for our 20 anniversary I bought her a ring for 3k. She did really like it, but I hardly ever see her wear it. It just sits in its box, cause she is too scared to damage or loose it. On…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 11:31 AM
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I enjoy both and can do both. Also the hobbies allows me to have something to talk about, especially with less extroverted men. On the other hand as much as I enjoy, typical female company, they can have a longer conversation, but the topics get boring very quick. Then I have to hear all about their mundane day to day squabbles with their parnters and family.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 08:45 AM
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So you know how it's like to be an average man? Because you are leabian? I'm not being funny, but this didn't make sense to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 01:10 PM
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I actually agree that men do this too, but never have I come across a group of virtuous women that simply keep their head down and not gossip. Just not my experience at all. Of course people are different and there are women that don't. But a lot of women do gossip, and a lot of men do it too.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 11:47 AM
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This just says in a round about way that the guy was good looking enough to begin with. But she wants to down play his looks for some personal reason. Maybe he is her looks match but she doesn't want to admit to herself that she is as good looking as him, since she doesn't think he is that great looking?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 08:43 AM
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Men are far more likely to get stabbed than women. What are we talking about here. You don't know what it's like to be an average man that fears violence towards himself and has to act like he can protect his woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 08:32 AM
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Everything seems to start as a fling, so the less attractive guy does not get a shoe in.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 08:28 AM
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Women get to rate men and women, and it turns out they are the good looking ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 08:25 AM
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Actually studies show that womens own looks have no brearing on their chances of finding a partner. Where as for men there is a discernable difference. With the difference being very large between average and unattractive men. Very attractive men did not fare much better than average men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 08:24 AM
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Yes average guys don't actually have such a big problem with getting at least a partner, but there are a lot of below average guys here that think they are average. And those guys really do have a shitty time of things.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 08:21 AM
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Because I have lived with a bunch of women over the years and the attitude I observed is the same. Or am I not allowed an opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 09:46 PM
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Then don't expect a man to do things your way if you want them to share the "mental load." As soon as I am planning things, I get to do it my way. Yes, I don't get into relationships with women whose style is cringey.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 04:13 PM
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Depends, I would happily plan and contribute. But that would mean that I also get a say in how it's done and what is celebrated and what isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 03:32 PM
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Problem is that women will do it themselves because they disagree with the mans choice and his style. Even when it's a good choice. I have a style, I will do things like this quite meticulously and yet be still overidden by a woman who's style is cringy as fuck. At least back in the day women accepted that the reason for them doing it was because they wanted it their way. Now the argument is that they want men to do it for them, because it should be shared labour, but the man should also be a mi…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 03:30 PM
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Or he liked her a lot, but assumed that she didn't like him back?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 09:35 AM
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"But what happens when men cannot find both qualities in the same woman? When men get with a woman he deems to be "the whore" due to her highly sexualized nature, he resents her for "beta buxxing" him, and often experiences retroactive jealousy". Why resent her if she shows an equal amount of sexual attraction for you. The resentment would be if she suddenly acts like a fridged person towards you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 10:06 AM
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You are making the assumption that desirable means physically attractive at a distance.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 08:41 AM
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I have come across one definition of an unattractive man that was used in a study. They stated a man as being unattractive if he was never able to gain casual sex (after trying) with a woman outside of a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 08:39 AM
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I have never done this to my wife, and to be fair she hasn't either. But in total she has probably a couple of these instances in our over 20 year long relationship. And yes they did hurt.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 12:30 PM
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Why is there only average men and then top 10% and nothing in between in these discussions? I recently came across a study that tried to measure how important looks was for men and women in securing a mate. The study was expecting to show that women's looks were more important. It ended up showing that women's looks did not predict their ability to secure a mate, but mens looks did. However there was a huge disparity between average looking men and unattractive men, but a much smaller disparity …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 09:21 AM
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Yes, compared to very little sexual attraction. I don't think there is much difference here between high and moderate. After this, the factors such as logistics, state of mind, even time of month are much bigger factors.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 09:12 AM
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I literally said the how quickly you fuck is not an indicator of sexual attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 08:59 AM
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The delayed sex thing is not a very great indicator of anything. I have literally only had sex with women on the first "date". Meaning although I never had a lot of sexual partners, for each one that I had, it happened the same night we met or in one case, we pulled a couple of times and then it happened. Many of these women would not have thought of me as particularly attractive or anything. Even my eventual long term partner, who ended up sleeping with me the same night we met. She had better …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 08:34 AM
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You are majorly simplifying these dynamics. I have many women as friends, and many other not related, mixed feelings when with sexual partners. One is not indicative of the other. I do want my ego stroked when in a relationship. Like why would I not want my partner to say nice things about me? I have also found myself attracted to the odd female friend, happens I am straight after all. Did I remove myself immediately, no. Each case was unique. In some the feeling wasn't that strong and passed. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 11:57 AM
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Not sure what you meant. I was actually agreeing with your take. That male victims are often blamed or suddenly its looked at as a solvable issue for the couple.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 04:43 PM
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That's exactly my point. If financial abortion is a possibility then make decisions based on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 02:12 PM
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If she knows that is possible, she can't rely on him for her decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 02:00 PM
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Her choice should be independent of what he chooses to do. She is an individual and should not rely on him for making her decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 01:47 PM
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I like spending time with people I have mutual interests with, whatever that may be. If I also vibe with them, I want to do it again. That's it. Doesn't matter to me if they are women or men. Just people to have fun times with. Most do have a preference to their own gender and that is more common. I live in the same world and I have to live with this dichotomy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 01:43 PM
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I am not taking the abuse angle here. But this has been like this since I was a child. If a guy wants his girl to dress a certain way it is sexist. Yet wives all over are getting their men to dress to their preferences. If a gay asks a girl to shave, sexist. Yet women will tell their man exactly what should be shaved and what shouldn't. Wife can comment on her husbands weight, man should not. I have met many women that conform to the same standards for men and women and are not sexist about it. …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 09:37 AM
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Male abuse victims are referred to couple counselling.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 09:33 AM
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Yeah I don't agree with the above take either. If I don't gym and just want to stay slim. I can diet myself to that point. My wife likes me slim too, but she likes me more with the extra muscle. I do lift 2-4 times a week, usually 1.5 hrs at a time(including getting in and out). This gives me a pretty decent physique. Nothing amazing, but much better than my piers. I am mid 40s and am very happy with what I can keep going. I don't look amazing year round, as there are times, when I indulge a bit…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 02:50 PM
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You might never have been hit on, but you could also have pursued a few people, ended up with a bunch of rejections until someone said yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 08:55 AM
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Was it depicted as a funny thing? Or was it a serious horrible thing that was happening to her?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 03:48 PM
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Only women and children are considered civilians in Gaza, but usually even male children are called terrorists. Even the newborn males. We all know this.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 03:45 PM
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Sorry for not making it clearer. In her head you are the main choice. The one she always wanted because she can compartmentalize sexual attraction and safety. Making safety the long term priority. Sucks for men. That I understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 08:16 AM
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This sounds eerily familiar. It's a family issue for her. She is not from another culture. Like I am from south asian background, she is white western. Yet I am quite western too. And women in my family will not shut up. Maybe why I really liked her to begin with. She seemed calm and easy going. But for me, the issue became. If you never express what you like, how do I know you even like me? It was the uncertainty that her behaviour created in me, and all the extra mental load of having to make …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 03:47 PM
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I personally think women are far more visual in their sexual attraction for men, but not for their romantic attraction. Hence they are able to compartmentalise the two. This means that they will harp on about how much they love the guy that is not great looking. But will lack lust for him. Female gaze is just bullshit terminology trying to frame women as somehow less shallow, when I think they are about as shallow as men. Men are much more likely to feel lust based on their hormones and will con…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 02:46 PM
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This is where you have it wrong. For many women the safe choice is their number one choice. Yet they are still less attracted to this choice than they were to the risky choice. Hence you as the safe choice will never get to experience her the way in which the risky choice got to experience her infatuation. You will usually get a lukewarm honeymoon period. and lukewarm sexual experience with her. He didn't. She will remember him as the hot guy she once dated. You as the guy she cares about platon…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 11:39 AM
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Stop using narcissist man and BPD woman as a catch all. People that actually have these diagnosis are nothing like the caricature you people paint of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 10:51 AM
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My wife can be like this, and even though it never bothered me to start with, over 20 years it started to rub me up the wrong way. Because with the quiet attitude is the uncertainty that the other person just doesn't care. So we started talking about this and she has been opening up more and giving me more of her opinions. And it feel very nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 09:58 AM
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I had to get into an argument with my wife, just so that she would start giving me honest feedback and opinions on clothes she likes on me. Because I wanted a second opinion that was honest. Sounds like I would like to get cucked.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 09:55 AM
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Online dating was not mentioned in the comment you replied to, but rather dating in general. Which is correct. But your metafor presumes that when men can find a woman that she is water. I would rather say that there is an equal amount of swamp water on both sides. Men are just not getting enough chances to find real water. So they are generally stuck with swamp water for a lot longer.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 11:39 AM
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That, too. It's the swamp part of the analogy that I was referring to. For men, it's like finding swamp water in the desert. Is more correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 10:32 AM
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This anecdote assumes most women are decent and most men aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 08:14 AM
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I didn't downvote you. Yet I disagree. My friend group was mixed, and many women were going out as much as me. And taking the same risks. Yet they were not nearly attacked as much. Just like I never heard of a male friend having his drink spiked. While that has certainly happened to a few women I've known over the years.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 01:31 PM
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People are not one thing or the other. They can be different depending on mood and context. So you will never have someone that is only one thing or another.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 11:24 AM
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Like I said, UK, not going to get specific, but many other cities are like this as well. Honestly this was many years ago. As I don't go out clubbing anymore. I did a lot when I was in my 20s. Like every weekend, sometimes 2-3 times a week. My point was that the stats presented, were bearing out from my anecdotal experience. That is that it's more dangerous for men out there, than it is for women. If we take into account all types of violent attacks.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 11:17 AM
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Gonna have to say that you are wrong on this one. Just anecdotally, I lived in a UK city that had a lot of this type of crime. Men got jumped randomly all the time, from muggings to just violence for the sake of it. Mostly young men, in our early 20s. Most of the guys I knew in these situations, were not doing anything out of the ordinary. The one specific time I was with women. We were two couples walking a dog. A gang of youths attacked us. It was the men they went after. The women were left a…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 09:20 AM
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I think the myth here is that men don't want to be desired. Which is completely wrong and not borne out in real life. Men very much would like to be desired. It's just very rare for women to actually show much desire for their men. As much as they claim to do so. The reason is that women are far more visual than men, with higher criteria for what they find visually appealing, so they all find themselves visually desiring their men less.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 08:59 AM
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Most guys doing this are probably already very young. Or at least I hope so. Here with my 42 year old hot wife. Wouldn't trade her for the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 08:08 AM
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I think the question is answered better, when we look at how gay men rate other men. If that is the same as women. Then it would say that men are actually less attractive than women on average. If it is the same way, in which straight men rate women. Then it is women that have a lopsided perception(since most of them do not believe in evo-psych). They have a cultural perception bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 10:44 AM
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Please either use /s when responding, or I can't tell whether you are serious or not. As for red pill. I am not really any pill. Just an opinionated asshole.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 04:43 PM
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So sociosexuality is a moving target, but libido is a set value for women? What nonsense is this. Where there is bro science, sista science is equally as absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 10:25 AM
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I have, but its not a lot of women, it's some women, but enough women to notice. There are many men doing this kind of thing too. So not particularly gendered in my opinion. Although the food example is definitely women. I think it's more of a snapchat issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/24 03:31 PM
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Cutting clitoris is not a world wide problem for all non western countries. It is very specific to some east African countries. Both christian and muslim. It is a local practice specific to these.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 09:54 AM
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As a man, this is such an important aspect for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 06:53 AM
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It's already celebrated. Any reason for leaving a man is celebrated.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 02:49 PM
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In my parents' home country, 2 teenage boys can walk down the street holding hands, as they are best friends. The culture is not lgbtq friendly, but that is another issue. Yet nobody has a problem with it as it is considered normal. Older men don't tend to do this, but it stays with them. Men giving hugs is normal, and men discussing their troubles with each other is normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 12:10 PM
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Western culture, perpetuated my mothers and fathers. My single female friend is raising two boys. She is perpetuating these stereotypes too them. So that they will be better men. In many other cultures, men have deeper friendships and they are fully capable of expressing emotions, talking about their troubles. I always found it very difficult to open up to my white western male friends. Needed to have some more brown friends, simply because of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/24 11:43 AM
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Well, this came up as a topic between me and my wife yesterday. And I was opening up getting all emotional talking about how I wouldn't care and if she was paralysed from the neck down: I would not seek to have sex anywhere else and would just live without out her, happy to look after her until the of our days. She looks at me with a smirk on her face and says "well, if it's only from the neck down" and we both burst out laughing. That sense of humor gets me every time.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 11:53 AM
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I also think the two are intertwined. Masculinity and femininity are hormone dependant.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 08:50 AM
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My wife's friend tried to tell her that I was promiscuous, said I was a slut(weird choice of words). When we first got together. My entire interaction with this woman prior, had been me trying to break open a casual conversation at a book store. Because she was in some of the same social circles as me. I was definitely very social and friendly. How that translated to slut, I will never know. It was definitely an attempt to stop my wife from dating me. Without me having done anything wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 02:07 PM
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This is a simplistic take. There can be both. Fully sexually desiring your partner for their looks and liking them as people are both possible. Sadly, most men have never been made to feel sexually desirable for their looks. Even the ones in relationships. There is a studied desire gap, with only 13% of men feeling desired by their partners as much as they would like to. Romantic desire, not just sexual, was included in this. Men's sexuality is highly understudied subject.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 11:37 AM
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Men having lower standards for dating, is very realistic, because non of us are all that. We are all either below average or average. As for sharing in house work. I mean, that is not the reason the men that are not dateable are single. They are never given a chance. The women are. The stats bare this out. I think dating has to move to 3rd spaces again, because the way modern dating works, its all about women's instant sexual attraction. Which only goes to a few select men. If we create space an…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 09:56 AM
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Well, I'm going to use anecdotal experience here a little bit. Happy to be countered. As I am not stating any research. My office where the average age is on the older side of life. I am in Norway too. There are a fair few single people. They are between 40 and 60. The men are forever, or mostly forever, single men. The women are either widowed young or given up on dating, or still partying and dating, but single. Most of these women have children. The men don't. The single men that are between …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 09:12 AM
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I think there are more women in the population after the age of 58 as men start dropping dead. Leaving less men than women in that ager range.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 08:49 AM
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Without knowing you guys, I can't say. Me and the wife have always looked similar age wise. I guess I look a bit younger than her now. But that is cause I have my mother's skin. Her skin has always looked 10 years younger. We both work out and keep trim. So that definitely helps with age perceptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 07:38 PM
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You just added things I never said. The starting premise is that they are dating. Then the question comes up. Would you have casually dated me if that is all I offered?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 02:35 PM
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The conversation is not about you. It's about how women will have lower standards for looks in relationships. Many women are like that. One possible explanation is hormones. They are more likely to want casual sex at a certain point in their monthly cycle. At this point, women also report giving looks more importance. Then they meet a guy at a different point in their cycle and he will do because looks aren't as important. Women with less attractive partners have been found to be less attracted …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 02:29 PM
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This guy does not speak for all men. I want to be considered the hottest handsome fuck and spend time doing chores together. Both have their place. The thought that I am not good for one but only the other is a sad place to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 02:12 PM
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No, because if you ask, and the man would be equally willing to indulge his partner casually if that is all she offered. Then the point is mute. He might be bummed and wanted more. But that is that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 02:04 PM
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I have been approached by wildly different women in terms of how attractive they were. So I disagree with what you are saying. And I am not talking about my specific preferences or type. These women knew they were shooting up, but still tried. The less attractive women were also far more forward and more wanting to have sex immediately compared to the more attractive women. Which also meant that I had a very confusing time really putting my own looks into perspective. Still can't. But the point …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 01:56 PM
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I agree. But if you were thinking of dumping the guy after sleeping with him. Because he is not all that attractive. Then realise, but he has other good traits. Seems to be a good match for a relationship. Suddenly he is back in this category of not being good enough for casual.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 01:36 PM
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I agree that this is the fear. In truth, I genuinely think that a lot of women are not necessarily keeping the other hotter guys in their hearts. None the less, it makes the guy feel shitty that she does not feel the same about him.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 01:31 PM
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I completely get your point and that is fine. But the fear is when a man hears, that he would not be dated casually, if he was not compatible romantically. As in, the reason I dated you was for your good partner traits, if they were missing or if you were not serious and only wanted a fling. I would say no. But to others I said yes. You might have a different reason for this, but. That triggers the fear that the man in question is lacking that part, while making up for it with said good partner …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 01:29 PM
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Unfortunately, a lot of women are out there saying that this is not how they actually feel about their partners. The constantly talk about how they picked the safe option and not the kind of guy they are sexually attracted too. If a guy a girl is dating, then hears that she would not have been interested in him casually, then the above fear is suddenly prodded and makes the man feel like he is in that category. Feelings and fears are a part of human nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 12:51 PM
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They want to know that she would find them sexually attractive outside of the relationship context? Because if she finds other men sexually desirous outside of that context, but him only because he provides a stable relationship. It makes them feel unattractive in the eyes of his partner. Same applies to women to be honest. If a girl was told that her partner is only attracted to her personality, but would not have any sexual feelings based on her physicality. That would make her feel insecure/s…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 12:45 PM
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Great to know you agree. My comment was about general ideas that society as a whole puts out. Men are constantly told that women do not have to be physically attracted to their partners. I think women are told this too. But then it ultimately causes issues and a lot of fancy explanations have to be thrown around, because nobody wants to admit the elephant in the room.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 12:36 PM
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To be honest, it's only considered deception when men do it. When women aren't all that physically attracted to their partner. The guy is told that it isn't important. Even though he constantly feels the issue in his relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 08:43 AM
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The hips widening is really sexy. Completely agree. I think my wife looks even better in her 40s than she did in her 20s(to me). The only downside to having an attractive partner is constantly hearing from others about how lucky I am. It made me feel unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 08:41 AM
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Exactly what? that the person you are with ages? That isn't settling. I have been with my partner since we were 20, in our 40s now. We have aged. Dont feel like I settled, because she got older. Lucky for me, she looks great for her age. We both do. Takes a little self care to achieve it though. Also helps that she was attractive to begin with. If anything, the nostalgia of our years together is something that gives me joy. I am referring to her looks here among other things.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 08:38 AM
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I think the better looking spouse thinks more about cheating or leaving, compared to the less attractive one. Definitely come across a study that says, women have more thoughts about leaving and affairs, when she thinks she is more attractive than him. I think dudes do the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 08:32 AM
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I didn't side with anyone, I commented on your opinion of how anyone who hits once goes to jail. My personal experience tells me a lot of women would go to jail. That's it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 11:07 PM
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There would be an equal amount of women in jail if this was implemented. Society is very accepting of this, when women do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 01:14 PM
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I disagree to some extent that men started it. We simply don't know who it came from. I have mostly only heard women say this in real life, whereas on reddit it seem like many men say it too. As for the question. As many other things, for me it's more nuanced. When I was late teens early 20s. All I wanted was a girlfriend. Oddly enough I could sometimes get sex, but a girlfriend, was out of the question. Call it bad luck, because each girl that I wanted more from had a different reason. From ano…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 09:36 AM
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With him she is.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 10:21 PM
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Being so happy that I can be emotionally validating and emotionally available. I notice why they are bothered (read their mind). In reality, I am just observant and good at putting 2 and 2 together. Good listener, because I pay attention. Then they assume that I don't have similar needs and feelings or want the same treatment because I am a man. Not wanting to reciprocate, basically. Because men don't need that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 02:31 PM
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Sorry, but objectification is not necessary black and white. Either or. I had this conversation with my partner years ago. Because she was taking in material about objectification, and starting to feel like I only was with her for her looks. Which could not have been further from the truth. I like to objectify my partner at times. This means that I sometimes express my lust for her body. Yet I also have daydreams about what a great connection we have, all her great qualities as a person, how muc…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 01:05 PM
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This has happened to me a lot too. Women are equally as likely to only want to see the good parts. This is not a gendered issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 12:54 PM
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This is mainly a US problem. Was splitting the bill over 20 years ago and it was never a big deal. Mostly it revolved around buying rounds though.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 12:48 PM
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The OP has stated that she is in a relationship and also that she checks out men on dating sites. Not you. I was referring to her. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I reread my comment and realised why you would have thought I meant you. Again, my bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 12:59 PM
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A person in an exclusive relationship should not be on dating sites, checking out other potential partners. Unless you are not in a monogamous relationship. That is cruising for cheating in my book. Sorry that my values are dated for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 12:50 PM
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She is in a relationship and looks at profiles on dating sites. Something is wrong here.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 09:03 AM
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I have wanted all of the above, within the span of a year. My current relationship started with us hooking up on a pub crawl. Which blossomed into a relationship. That's being going for over 20 years now. It's like my needs can change from moment to moment, depending on how I feel. Maybe being a human is the cause of that. I need a diagnosis.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 09:02 AM
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Point is, the only way to tell if a woman is sexually attracted to you, is if she is willing to have sex with you, without anything else in return. Sadly too many men have experienced the sex for relationship dynamic to actually believe anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 08:32 AM
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Never seen a woman jump in to protect a stranger.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 10:25 AM
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I you actually read the study, Machiavellianism did not do better than average. Only Narcs and Psychos.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 11:52 AM
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There are so many women, in between these extremes.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 09:26 AM
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My wife feels the same way, we usually have the weekend evening/night free to have hours long passionate sex with lots of different stuff added in. It is time consuming and I can get her to the place where she has rolling or consistent orgasms. More than a hand full in an evening. I also like this type of sex, because it simply is long lasting and eventful. Yet she complained to me that we don't have enough quickies at odd times. Which is much more hit and miss when it comes to orgasms. Maybe sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 09:11 AM
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My issue with the comparison is this. If lesbians are not having PIV sex (mostly), and clit stimulation is the most sure fire way to have an orgasm. Then a heterosexual couple will usually have a certain percentage of sexual interactions where PIV is what they are doing. Which will not be the case with the lesbian couple. Now if your demand is that a man should go down on a woman each time they have sex. Well that seems a bit unfair (to the man). Since most women dont want to suck dick every tim…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 11:41 AM
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The above poster seems like he might be an older man. These dynamics change wildly with age. As a 43 year old married man, I am very different than when I was 19 and single.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 09:01 AM
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I think it is a simple consequence of men being the pursuers and the ones with the least options. If you have very few options, you are evaluating situations like this a lot more. Whereas if you have plenty of options and a new date is just around the corner, you are not going to think about it as much. As for myself, I had a lot of friends that were women. You just get used to the way your brain works, and realise that making a move on your friends is just silly, the thoughts are intrusive, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 08:35 AM
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Problem is asking who would be more attractive, without specifying. More attractive for what. One is more attractive for watching a movie together another is more attractive for going out clubbing with. What you are most likely asking is, who is more attractive for fucking, yet you don't ask that directly and hence get the wrong answer. Who is more attractive for a relationship is another question you could ask, but it's not the same as who is more sexually attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 02:11 PM
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Man that wears a tupe here. I decided after 10 years of shaving my head to try one out after watching a youtube video. The results far exceed what is possible with a transplant. Me and my wife worked it out by ourselves and I got it cut in from a hairstylist that wore one himself. I do not hide it, if asked. Nothing but positive responses from the people I know, work and family. My wife has a beaming smile, when she looks at me. Only downside is the upkeep. Which has a skill curve and requires g…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 09:04 AM
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Cost are higher for filler in the long term for most places in the world. So surgery is a better more permanent option.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 08:59 AM
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Most of the women you listed are popular with women, not men. And nobody liked Anna nicole smith.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 08:30 AM
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Disagree with this take. Looks is the most important. Money is the least. Ugly rich guy is not desirable. His money is.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 08:12 AM
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As a guy with low n count, I have only ever slept with women on the first day of meeting/pulling. Only slept with 5 women, and all of them were on the same night. Then got into a relationship that lasted 22 years and still going. From my experience, no women make me wait. Either they ghost me or they sleep with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 01:19 PM
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My libido as a man , went up with exercise and so did the quality of sex that I was having/providing. This in my mid 40s. Wife seems to have a pretty strong libido, now that I look attractive again, after a stale 30s. Although it didn't mean that anything stopped. We were still very active in our 30s. But she seems to be a bit more directly into me now.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 08:48 AM
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Is it worse sex because of your age, or because of the man that you are with, or a combination of both?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 08:43 AM
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I completely disagree, just look everyday women in old photos, without makeup. And you will start to wonder. Also I think generally women look a bit better with some facial fat, whereas men look better without. In todays world, men are just not lean enough anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 07:37 AM
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Alternative guy here, that is no longer alternative in style, but I still wear some makeup. I get complimented for it all the time. Many don't even notice that it's makeup. Women will say, how they would love to look naturally like that. Doesn't really matter on the whole, since I am not on the market and haven't been for over 2 decades.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 07:33 AM
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Or maybe the intelligent men are just better at getting attractive women?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 03:27 PM
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how long?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 02:21 PM
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So attractive women that are also intelligent, have intelligent partners, while women that are not intelligent, not so much. Well you don't need a study to to figure that out.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 02:15 PM
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I'm 43 and she is only a year younger. Been together since we were 20. But we didn't have kids for a decade. Although we moved in together early on. So together over 2 decades. We have 2 kids together.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 10:20 AM
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The widening of the hips is genuinely a thing. I noticed that, too. I am being honest from a shallow point of view. I'm not ashamed of it. Most people are shallow to some extent.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 10:42 PM
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I only have anecdotal evidence to share. But I have a close friend with 2 kids. She is now single and on tinder all the time. Fair enough. Her reasoning for rejecting single dads. She would never be able to not take her own kids side, in every situation and expects that every parent out there is the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 01:23 PM
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Hence, my point about definitions. When I say I was attracted to somebody from their looks. It could simply mean that I considered them good-looking. Whereas another person might be thinking of feeling sexually or romantically attracted to them. Hence people end up talking past each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 09:31 AM
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I'm a 5'7 man with not the greatest facial features, I have mostly only dated cute petite women. Why is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 09:03 AM
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Very few, men or women care about personality over looks in the courting process. It's only later down the road that people get dumped despite their looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 07:53 AM
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Or maybe the recognition of your own looks also played a role in who you were drawn to. The most attractive guy in the room is not always in reach? I hear women say this all the time about their partners, yet they always seem to be look matched?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 07:50 AM
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I would even argue that the attraction is there, but women are less likely to show interest until they feel there will be reciprocation. Heck, I have done this plenty of times as a man. I will think a person looks good, but it isn't until we are engaged and she is showing potential and interest in me that I feel a feeling of attraction. Summed up, I think people use the word attraction, but mean different things by it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 07:46 AM
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I had a fling with a 30 year old when I was 19. I found her very attractive. My wife is over 40 now. I find her very physically attractive. In fact, we recently found an old video, we had made on a holiday. Where we both could see ourselves in our god given clothes, from when we were mid 20s. And I had the thought, that my wife looks hotter now. Something about her aging(face), that I find very attractive. Compared to a young girl. Then I can have the odd thought that contradicts this. Isn't the…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 07:10 AM
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Been together for 22 years, I am very physically attracted to my wife. We are both getting older, yet we both value physical attractiveness and have put some minimal effort towards upkeep of our looks/fitness. Not everyone is equally as bothered though and many around me seem happy enough piling on the weight at our age. Usually it seems like they are both at it, so anyone calling it out would just sound like a hypocrite, hence neither says anything. Which again, I think is fine. These people al…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 07:02 AM
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A lot of men miss out on the understanding that women also love being the best ever. So when you make her feel like she became the best ever, shagging you. She sees the sex you have in a different frame altogether.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 12:39 PM
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I'm 5'7 and it's fine. Women find me attractive. just over 6 inches and women are good with it. Do you think that Rooney should have hung himself because Ronaldo was better? Because anybody would have loved to have Rooney on their team. Being the best is not important. Being memorable is. Be memorable my friend. And she will not think of anyone but you while you are dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 12:26 PM
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You can absolutely change chemistry. Dude, you are a virgin. Why are you limiting your thinking? If the girl is into you in a sexual way, stop thinking about it and enjoy. If she is not, and you don't like that. Communicate, and if the answer is not to your liking, move on. In fact, many peoples answers to these questions, change on a whim. So most girls don't even know who the best was. Me and my partner did not kiss right. It wasn't great for either (lack of chemistry). Yet, I opened up a line…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 11:53 AM
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Dude, do you have a small dick? I am talking about penetrative sex, and I am not the biggest. Maybe a bit above average. There are many ways in which you can make that better. There are positions, angles, and speeds. At average length, I still bottom out in some positions. My tip hurts. Also, how about the atmosphere that you create in bed? You don't think that counts? Learn what pushes her mental buttons. It's not the tightest pussy that feels the best, it's how we connect and the fun that we h…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 11:23 AM
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Why would it not be possible, all it takes is for you to actually want to improve sex with another person. Once you get a lot better, she simply will not be able to tell the difference. Another part that many miss out, make her improve her abilities. That will make her feel like it's the best sex ever. Because it takes two to tango.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 10:20 AM
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Been there and didn't know. Was never told, so it didn't matter. I was simply less experienced when we met, so I allow myself the obvious understanding that it was inevitable. for that to happen. Not anybodies fault. I did eventually improve to the point that things got a lot better. Mainly because I wanted it too. Was eager to improve. I only found out eventually because we had some open conversations about our feelings, including sex life. She did explain that it wasn't long before she complet…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 09:08 AM
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Only a small amount of people that quit smoking, succeed. It is still their own fault that their lungs are screwed.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 12:42 PM
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Your friend realised after getting married to a guy that she doesn't find him physically attractive, and you don't want to blame her? Well she is very much to blame for making such a shitty choice and dragging an unsuspecting person into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 01:03 PM
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Its really easy to vet the girl that is interested in you. She will make some time from the group, in order to get to know you, one on one. That could be giving you some undivided attention, or approaching you separately, when you are not actively in group participation. Then you take it from there. You can just ask her out to some other fun activity. Make sure the activity implies a date, and she says yes, you are golden. Best to just spend some time talking and cultivating a connection.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 12:24 PM
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Love this reply, I think this is closer to the truth about settling, rather than some stupid looks discrepancy, or her preference being 2 inches taller, or slightly less hairy, or whatever these people think settling is. Settling is the feeling that you could be doing better in terms of the partner you have, but you decided for whatever reason, that you take this person instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 07:14 AM
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Personally i think settling, is when you believe that you could have done better and are not fully happy with your choice. If you are happy with the choice you made, and feel like you got as well as you could get in a partner, however great the ideal may be. I dont think that is settling.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 07:05 AM
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What is the difference for you between settling and picked. I would like a range of examples so that I can make a determination, about what you mean by settled. Because nobody out there is getting their ideal partner in every way. Nor is the ideal partner a possible reality, since what we would like in our partner changes to a small extent day by day, moment by moment.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 07:03 AM
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I agree, but just to add to my story. The first girl, I ended up becoming really close friends with her, we hung out a lot. We lived together for a year. The thought of dating her certainly crossed my mind. But it wasnt a big deal. We still had a lot of fun together as friends. Even pulled at one point, but I don't think neither of us wanted it to go any further. I met a girl that was perfect for me and much more my type. We all were friends and lived together. It was fun. There was a falling ou…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 12:00 PM
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This is way too much thinking before hand my friend. I remember thinking like this. It's detrimental. Just talk to people generally, if you are clicking with a person in said group, continue, even if its a guy. Just be friendly, you can talk to the POI another time, if you don't, no big deal. She will remember you if she found you attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 11:35 AM
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Hence the large social circle part. Which is something I had in my youth. So most of the time I didn't have to do this kind of thing. As an example, I meet a new group and get to know a couple of guys through this group. We hang around the same bar at uni. One day I bump into said guys, and have a brief chat, there is a girl talking to them too. We all have a pleasant conversation. Another day, the same girl sees me in the food court, chilling on my own, she walks up to me and starts a conversat…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 11:28 AM
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Using others for anything, with a promise of more further down the line. It doesn't have to be sex. When women do this, they have reasons and excuses. Women, quite often, will not be sexually interested in a guy, but have sex with him to get his commitment and then stop. Just as an example.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 07:08 AM
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Women have always felt like this. Its not new. A lot of women would be worried about being used back in the day. But on the flip side, they dont consider their own actions in that regard, as that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 08:24 AM
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I have had experienced high romantic attraction towards me, with low sexual attraction, and honestly it sucked to be put in that situation, it made me feel really ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 01:46 PM
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I still agree with the above take. Yes sometimes we can be clueless, but many times, we know, but are unsure about taking a risk as there is too much at stake, socially.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 01:44 PM
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As a man that is more in tune with how women communicate, I came to the realisation that they only communicate this way, one way. Women are really poor at picking up on other peoples non verbal communication too.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 09:58 AM
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I haven't asked for a paternity test, but I do not trust my partner, nor would I ever fully trust any partner. To fully trust, is just a dumb thing that people came up with. Nobody has ever been fully trustworthy in the history of mankind, unless they are retarded. Then I might trust what you say, otherwise I verify. I don't ask, because I am pretty certain they are mine. Some of my quirky looks would not be easy to have in another child. But do I believe that my partner could never cheat or has…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 12:59 PM
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And there is no bias in what these people are reporting. Maybe women are more defensive than men when they do something wrong, because they are avoiding shame and guilt?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 07:19 AM
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What does this looks like in your experience. What are the examples of how someone only mildly attracted to you behaves?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 07:11 AM
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Hey, I was unaware that my height was an issue, when I was young. And passed every shit test about my height ( some women are really not creative), each and every time. So I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 07:33 AM
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We have spoken at length about these needs. But this can of worms has only opened up in the last few years. So it has come very late and made things difficult. Her response as I said was to hide/avoid/ignore. But not in a malicious way. She has a parent who extremely likely has avoidant personality disorder, and another who doesn't like talking about feelings. Something we have also started to talk about is how we were raised in very different homes. Mine where feelings were shared a bit too lou…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 02:49 PM
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We are from a mix of backgrounds, her Northern Irish and me Pakistani. I am however raised in the UK so we both have a lot in common. Dated for 10 years, married for 12. So 22 years together. We have joint finances, since we moved in together 2 years into the relationship. Today we both work full time and contribute equally in that sense. I do make a bit more than her, but not by a large amount. Financially, we have always just paid for going out together as a couple. Even since the start, whoev…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 10:14 AM
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I always felt unattractive when I was younger. My take away was not to walk up to more women. I literally didn't approach anyone or hardly anyone. Cause it didn't seem like my looks was going to get me anywhere. I just made myself available in shared spaces being friendly and chatty with everyone, never spending too much time with the same people. It was fun to socialise It just led to a whole bunch of varied human interactions and more confidence in talking to women and men. During this I notic…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 08:12 AM
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A very big minority in actual numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 02:58 PM
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I had insecurity about this, it was in the era of pre proliferation of porn. As in, porn was around, but not watched nearly as much as today. Most girls would never have watched any in their lives, and same would apply to a lot of men. My insecurities came from hanging around women, as friends and such. Almost all would talk and brag about they guy they were sleeping with being big or small. As long as he was, and they would openly voice their preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 11:53 AM
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Why would women have to do a google search about penis size? They already know what they like. They are not curious about what other people think about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 11:46 AM
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Plenty of women will use a guy for just sex. Its more common than you think.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 09:21 AM
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There are a lot of Christians in the middle east, you do know that right?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 08:54 AM
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I have seen plenty of couples without arrange marriages, without love. Love is not a given. And I have seen plenty of arrange marriages where love was strong. Plenty of arrange marriages start off with lust too. I personally did not have an arrange marriage, although the option was there. But I am not going to diss the whole thing, when my eyes have observed how varied the outcomes are, just like dating western style. As for cultural differences, well yeah. That would be the case for any type of…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 08:53 AM
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There is a fair amount of unmarried sex in these countries. Nobody is calling the police.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 08:48 AM
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Studies did not show meeting through friends, but more knowing each other for around 6 months before the got together. People that date shortly after meeting were looks matched, regardless of how they were introduced. Me and my wife met through friends, but were not friends before hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/24 08:55 AM
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That's not what I implied or asked. Question was on whether you or people in general would be against it?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 01:21 PM
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For me it was not like that. She was the department admin at uni and I was 2nd year undergrad. Dont know her age, she looked early thirties. So I had talked to her plenty of times before., she would sometimes come out on nights out with other students. Mostly men. A lot of guys in the department kinda fancied her. Slim, attractive older lady. Saw her dancing on one of these nights out and danced a bit with her. She asked if I wanted to share a cab, and the rest is history. This kind of thing hap…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 10:18 AM
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I had my experience with this. It was not good for my mental health as a young man to be fucked and ignored.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 07:57 AM
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Losing your job is one, also in some countries it is actually defined as hate speech.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 06:24 AM
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So you think it would be fine for mainstream media to start publishing kill all minorities sentiments? As long as the minorities just ignore them and get on with their day?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 06:23 AM
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The height thing really confuses me, for some women it seems sexually attractive and for others it only matters for a long term relationship. Like they will shag a shortish guy, but not date him because of height. Which makes me think it is more akin to status than sexual attractiveness. But I might be wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 08:51 AM
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This is more of a gray area. I think more men will indulge dating a woman with a career of less status than the other way around. So I agree with you, but still posit that it isn't as universal as you are stating.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 07:51 AM
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I agree with you completely on this, however I do have a lot of close friends that are women. They will indulge a guy that they are not very attracted too. Openly state this, then when the time comes to tell him to fuck off. They will start telling themselves that his personality was at fault. Although it was the same personality that they were first overlooking his looks for.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 07:48 AM
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Her partner being unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 07:42 AM
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Actually women on average do explicitly state that physical attraction is not important to them. Plenty of self reported studies cite this fact. So they are explicitly stating the opposite of what you say.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 07:39 AM
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Yes, they wanted to know how attractive she truly considered her partner. Not the pc version.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 01:50 PM
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Then why would they have posed the question like this?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 10:56 AM
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Some of the most crazy uninhibited sex I ever had with my wife, then girlfriend, was when we started doing mdma. That ended a long time ago. But the way in which we had sex remained. Which also made us recognise that the great sex wasn't the pills. And the sex we have now is even better than the sex back then.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 01:34 AM
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In the research, it actually made a difference to how sexually attracted these women were to their men when ovulating vs. when not ovulating. The less attractive men were considered even less attractive than baseline by their partners during this period. By an entire point. You see, you say that, but in reality, you recognise that he is a 5, not an 8. If you saw him "truly" as an 8, you wouldn't be able to do that. That is the purpose of this question.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 01:12 AM
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You asked the question wrong. You will not get the right answer here. When researchers posed this same question, their wording was, "On a scale of 1-7, how likely are other women to want your man for casual sex?" That would truly reflect how attractive they think their man is.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 12:11 AM
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It's because you already had the excitement phase. They guys that wanted to have this phase, but couldn't, then meets a girl that is not excited to be with him, but he is excited to be with her. Will feel some sort of way.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 07:10 AM
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sexual attractiveness is a sign of reproductive ability and success. At least as a visual que.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 07:42 AM
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I would argue that the wall for women is when mens libido is in decline and they start to care more about the effort put into them, than the other way around. That is when looks are no longer the thing that makes them want to date a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 07:40 AM
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Another study I read, stated that they found an inverse relationship between women's waist circumference and likelihood of having a PIV orgasm. Just like if they included men with ED in their study about frequency of male orgasm. I would guess the numbers would fall drastically. Given how the general human race is much fatter these days. I would bet, it doesn't help with this either.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 01:50 PM
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I have been told this by my partner as well. But I personally found that she seems to orgasm more easily when I don't do oral first. Not much of a difference, but something I have noticed. She is also the more likely person to want to go for quickies and straight to sex. So I guess it must be good for her if she wants that. It could also have to do with how horny she is in general. The more horny, the less interest in oral. But here I am just guessing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 01:48 PM
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I disagree with the masculine and feminine aspect in all of this. Interests are not inherently masculine and feminine. Its more akin to how you show up in relationships and society in general. I used to fall for this nonsense. But it's well understood that there are very few things that are universally defined as masculine across cultures. And the only ones found so far are, provision and protection. But differing interests certainly create less reasons to interact with each other and can make a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 12:19 PM
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I get what you are saying, but I see plenty of couples with these extremes and in some ways, I feel like it does affect them over time, and they more commonly seem to be less interested in each other over time.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 12:00 PM
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I see these couples and it has always seemed like an odd dynamic. In some cases I have seen these couples break up with each other, if kids didn't come along, because of this. They are more likely to have girls and boys nights out, separately. And seem to hardly spend much time with each other after a few years together. She hangs with the girls, and he hangs with the boys. Personally this never appealed to me and I would avoid women like this, even if they were attractive and interested in me. …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 11:58 AM
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This dynamic usually involves an attractive and an unattractive partner. Most men would ruin the cuckquean fantasy as they are not sexually attractive at all. A lot of women wouldn't mind hot husbanding if their man was capable of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 07:59 AM
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I think you're putting the cart before the horse.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 07:27 AM
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That's exactly how racial profiling works.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 01:24 PM
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Studies even show that infants prefer attractive faces of cats, whats the point here?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 01:05 PM
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I have always had a lot of friends that are women, I would not have dated most of them. We were simply not compatible. I enjoyed their company, in patches. And could leave when I had enough. Not the same as having a partner. Same applies to male friends as well. Although I have had a few male and female friends that were just a blast to be around all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 09:56 AM
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In a similar boat to you, I have a great friendship with my wife, we have a lot of hobbies in common. Never had to argue over what music to play or what show to watch. All the same tastes. Uncanny almost. We also like playing videogames together and generally spend a lot of time with each other, besides the parenting. Yet I also remember just how many women, would never have fit into that mold, when I was dating. Many a time after a few good dates or a short period together, women would say thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 09:53 AM
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Please add an /s to your comment. I get it, but many won't.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 01:35 PM
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I just gave you the facts. Crime statistics. Just like your misandry.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 09:42 PM
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I think my original point was that I have had conversations with white, friends, colleagues, and acquaintances. About how they fear/mistrust/dislike brown people. As they are overrepresented on crime statistics. So I should accept racism/prejudice since I happen to be brown. It's tough, they say, but unfortunately, my race is to blame. Does that sound familiar, because it damn right sounds the same to me. But now it's double up.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 09:28 PM
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What are you talking about? That is absolutely not true. Generally, my wife isn't questioned by her doctors. It would be crazy to do that. You live in lala land. However, we have had health visitors from when our child was born. As an example, the visitor then decided that my wife needed to be taken to the side and asked whether she was okay. And whether she felt pressured to conform to my culture. It's absurd given how I was born here and am very assimilated. Yet would still be none of her busi…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 07:43 PM
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We've been together for 23 years. It just follows you from one stage of your life to another. I do notice that some of the younger generation are a bit better.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 05:15 PM
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Paki's like me have been considered the chief danger white people face, since the day I was born. So being told that I am dangerous to society for being a man, feels no different to how I was made to feel since I was a child. In fact, the intersectionality of being brown and a man, makes things far worse than you could even start to imagine. My wife is questioned about whether I am abusive, by health professionals. People assume I am a misogynist at home, until I prove otherwise. Among many dail…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 02:28 PM
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She had the kids too, because she wanted them. She did not have them and leave. There is no compensation needed for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 11:29 PM
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But since she is never concerned about him making that lonely walk. By your argument, she doesn't care about his safety. Do you not see this double standard?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 11:26 PM
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Bullshit. A man alone is far more likely to be assaulted or killed over a woman alone. Yes, the overwhelming perpetrators are men, but it doesn't mean women are more in danger than the man is. Men are statistically far more likely to be killed. Bullshit on the taking a bullet for your man. Until you have done it. It's anybodies guess. Do I actually make sure my partner is safe when alone. Yes. But I have never had to drop a person home and then walk alone myself. That is just hypocrisy and no co…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 07:50 PM
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The point is that you are basing this on outdated gender norms. It needs to stop. Men should not be obliged to risk their lives for a partner. Women enforce this through social expectations. Yet they themselves want to shed themselves of any gendered expectations. How hypocritical. Some decent women, who understand the dynamics of bad areas and danger. Would disagree with you guys hard. For me personally, I will always walk home with a friend or partner, male or female, if it's for safety. But t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 07:11 PM
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Disagree, none of these women would walk their partner home. Their partner is not obligated to risk their life for them either.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 07:04 PM
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I love my wife and she loves me. Her body is fine, for every 'ruined' body, you have a sedentary modern life and the overconsumption of highly processed, very palatable food to blame. Not just pregnancy. I do more cleaning than her, although she does more laundry. We both do a bad job of our chores. We both look after our children. and yes. We both work. Although I contribute a bit more. She cooks a little bit more. I don't get sex, we have sex. She wishes we fucked a little bit more. But I am h…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 01:06 PM
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Not what I remember the story as, so different to this.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 12:23 PM
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The man is more at risk. Where did you get the absurd idea that she is more at risk? It's simply not true. Men are attacked at disproportionately higher rates than women when walking alone at night. The argument has always been that it is men doing the attacking. Which is true. But those same men are attacking other men far more often. Which is also true. Lastly, both have equal value. So both should be concerned about each others safety. And she should not get priority.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 12:07 PM
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Here, I disagree. The women in question have a dillusional belief that by being a man, he is defacto safe. Because he can take care of himself. Which is absolutely not true for the vast majority of men. Hence, they care, but they don't see the issue in this instance. Which makes sense. I am, however, arguing this front a purely, gender norms point of view. Where male gender norms are more difficult to budge. As they are not seen as problematic. As for myself. I have usually walked women and men …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 11:12 AM
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Men are more likely to get assaulted, and around 50% are weaker than the other 50%.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 10:59 AM
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Its nice that you are espousing this view, but it is absolutely not the majority view among women, even today.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 10:58 AM
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Its like a man saying, how can you want commitment, if you dont make me a sandwich.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 09:53 AM
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I am guessing the other guy, was not a random.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 09:51 AM
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But are we obligated to walk our partner home in the middle of the night, and then take the same dangerous walk back alone? How is that fair, why is that not a double standard? By obligated, I mean the punishment is social ostracization. She will tell your social circle and they will all call you a piece of shit for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 09:49 AM
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I remember girlfriend complaining that her boyfriend didnt walk her home at 9 in the evening from the train station, and he instead went on home. And the entire post was filled with women calling him a POS for not looking after her. Yet when a guy says, he should not have to do this, because its not owed. All these same women agree. There is no cognitive dissonance. It is simply trying to get men to conform to their gender stereotype, while claiming there is no demand.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 09:47 AM
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I thought this too, until I got muscular. Suddenly I was really attractive to these same women. They simply default to skinny as there aren't enough muscular guys. I am not referring to very muscular. Just muscular.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 08:29 AM
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Sorry, metal head that spent his 20s in rock clubs and bars. If I wasn't working there I was out at the venues. I had a lot of chubby metal head guy friends. They were not getting luck ever night. We all went home without anything to show for it, on most nights. The goth guys who were skinny and hairless, being pale as fuck, did somewhat better.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 08:24 AM
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I basically fell for my partner back in the day, because of this. She was one of the rare, few, girls at the time, that was into all the nerdy stuff, while also being attractive. It was quite unique. She really had her pick of suiters because of that. Made me feel really good for her going with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 07:20 AM
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This is absolutely not true. I am a metalhead, I worked bar in a rock/biker pub and at a rock club. The fat chubby metalheads go home with their dick in their hands, just like the other ones. Skinny and pale do better. But all the girls are into the tall, lean dude with a pretty face. Long hair helps. Looks matching is still a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 07:16 AM
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I was disagree as to mens inner thoughts, to why they feel like this, not the nuances of what act is considered normal or not. As for the specific point, most men do not make that argument, if it was to be explained that she did it once and then never again. That actually has reasoning behind it. Many would accept it. It would be more like, she used to do regular anal with the ex, for him, although she did not enjoy it herself. But when you say, I would like to try it. The answer is no. This fal…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 02:34 PM
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I think you got it the wrong way around, the thinking is more akin to, she wanted to do that with her ex, because she desired him so much, she desires me less and hence is less interested in doing it with me. I think both sexes are capable of this kind of thinking. And depending on what we are talking about, there might even be some truth to it. Like if a boyfriend used to give his oral, because she was so hot, he felt like pleasing her. Whereas new partner is relationship material, but not hot.…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 01:24 PM
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Short guy, that has not really had problems with dating. Can at least confirm that it does make a difference to how you are perceived. I have dropped my interest in any girl that especially likes tall guys. I am not their type, so I dont want to date them. Even when they are willing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 01:17 PM
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Leadership qualities are overrated. Confidence and charm. Is far more useful. To get your foot in the door.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 10:11 PM
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What is a good personality? What is a bad one? That is what people confuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 10:08 PM
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Women are ahead in education. What exactly is being equalised?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 10:13 AM
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Will never happen, the military industrial complex has way too much power over the government.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 10:12 AM
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Comparing Ukraine to Afghanistan is just foolish. Afghanistan was obliterated to oblivion first by the USSR and then by the long drawn out civil war that it's neighbours and the US supported. Then the US invaded themselves. It's 40 years worth of modern day warfare. Not a few years or a decade.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 10:11 AM
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You always change the topic. Your comment insisted that people that don't ask questions don't care. I mentioned shy girls as an exception. Do you always discuss in bad faith?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 07:15 AM
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Yes they can. The point is their partners would flip. If they said it was necessary for them to be turned on in order to want sex with their partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 10:24 PM
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Orgasm does not make for satisfying sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 10:23 PM
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Yes, the variety is very broad.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 09:13 PM
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Sorry, a lot of smut is pretty descriptive.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 08:30 PM
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I get you point. And it is a good one in an egalitarian world. But imagine telling a girl that she is too wide to make you cum. And needs to give head each time, to make up for it. We both know that would not go down well.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 03:27 PM
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A size queen would not have enjoyed sex with me, though, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 03:24 PM
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Amount of sex or number of partners does not make anyone good at sex. Some of the worst sex I had was with a self proclaimed slut. It's listening to you partner and learning skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 03:21 PM
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Well I am nearly 6.5 inches. Above average girth too. Made this woman come, oral and through penetration. Multiple times. The works. And yes, I knew she came each time, as she was big time squirter on top of it all. Contractions are also a thing. Told me I was the best sex she ever had. She still said she wished I had a bigger dick. In a normal conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 03:18 PM
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You forget how it's completely acceptable for women to read smut, before sex with hubby. So that she could be turned on by her fantasy guy. Yet if a man watched porn beforehand. It would break the Internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 03:01 PM
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Because most of the time they don't. The man is usually doing all the work himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 02:57 PM
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Bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 02:56 PM
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So is it okay to ask a woman with a wide vagina to mostly suck dick. No PIV, because that is no fun for me?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 02:56 PM
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Or they give up. As often, women seem to have no understanding of how it takes two to tango.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 02:49 PM
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Well, there you go. Making women cum, is generally not difficult. But getting women to consider their partner. Now, that is a completely different level of difficulty.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 02:08 PM
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I think the discussion has always been unfair to begin with. Men don't even know what good sex is, because the vast majority of women have never bothered to get good at it. If they put in the kind of effort that made sex actually good for men, I think men would be inclined to return the favour more.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 01:57 PM
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I think most women are the reason, boys turn into selfish lovers. They bring nothing to the bedroom and expect so much from their partners. That eventually, men realise that fuck this. It's not team work, but each for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 01:51 PM
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I agreed with the title, but not the content. What you described is the problem that I see everywhere. He should be good at sex, and is judged on it. She does not need to be good at sex, because he should be fixated on her pleasure.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 01:43 PM
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The above comment is right though, I meet a lot of women that are like this. Not even in a romantic setting, since I am already hitched. But the amount of stuff to do with status, is just exhausting. I just dont care enough. And I find they have a lack of interests outside of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 09:10 AM
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A lot of men do the same thing, when making friends. Especially after the age of 30. It is just sad to watch. Hence I find it hard to make friends with some neighbours. The guys around me are somewhat successful, and it just sucks talking to them about their jobs and success. Like nobody has any other interests. I also find a lot of women are like this around my age too, or they want to talk about juggling homemaking and their careers. And usually I indulge them, but it gets boring really quick.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 09:08 AM
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You havent dealt with shy girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 09:03 AM
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I don't believe it was a misunderstanding. She meant what was said and understood by him. She just didn't realise how it would make him feel, because she was drunk. If a man told his wife, you are not good looking enough to only sleep with, but your personality makes you relationship material. She would be equally as offended. The misunderstanding from women is generally, that men do not need to feel like they are sexually attractive. That saying that their personality is what makes them desirab…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 06:43 AM
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Sometimes, women like that are completely oblivious to the dynamics of the relationship too. Can imagine that he already feels undesired in the relationship and then she went ahead and said that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 06:27 AM
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The average is already less than two children. So most people dont really care.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 07:02 AM
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Not true, tell a woman, you would only sleep with her if she offered something more than her looks, while saying another woman you would sleep with based solely off her looks and she will flip.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 06:56 AM
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Oddly enough, mine is an attractive introvert, that loves going out clubbing and dancing. I met her in a bar, not a club. I always wanted to date a hot nerd. And I found one.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 06:30 AM
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Even slightly attractive guys, have this problem. A lot of average/below average women in the club are interested and rarely are the attractive girls in the club, interested or without a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 06:16 AM
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I exchanged numbers with my hookup and met up again and again, until we both fell in love. Then proceeded to have a wild time together in our 20s, until we got our act together in our early 30s, then bought a house and popped out babies. We still have the spark between us, that we had in our 20s. Sometimes you can get both.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 06:12 AM
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Its the inverse I would say. On average for women, they want a better looking guy for hookup, compared to relationship. Many will admit they they even want a guy less attractive than them, for relationships, so that they can feel superior.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 06:03 AM
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I am a man who can lose his libido when I don't feel emotionally validated. Yet even if I communicate this to women. They have no idea what to do. And simply get angry for me denying them sex. For all their claims, women have as bad emotional IQ as most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 12:40 PM
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Never had this happen, so have no idea what I would do. But I have BPD. So it would get toxic, really fast. Lucky for the women I have been with, that none ever offered/denied sex for anything in return. It was a mutual act. Any no to sex had an obvious reason, and I didn't even need to be told no. It was obvious, that initiating would be a dick move, I offered chicken soup, instead of initiating sex. We have had sex on colds though, we call it "boosting our immune system".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 12:26 PM
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What if it's a hairy guy that keeps everything well groomed. Not shaved, but maybe he shaves shoulder and back, and buzzes the rest shorter?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 08:21 AM
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Women want both too. Most women want to feel like he would date her just for her looks and not also her personality. Then they want to feel like he likes her for her personality too. Tell a girlfriend and or wife, that she is not dateable if it was just down to her looks and see how she reacts.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 07:55 AM
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But that is not what was said.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 07:46 AM
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Not a dead bedroom, but I have experienced the opposite. Where, I just wanted my partner to show more of an effort on the emotional and romantic side. Whereas she just expected to be able to have sex, at the drop of a hat. I would then have to make it into an evening, in order to get my emotional needs met. But end up feeling resentful, because I was having to stage the whole thing. Even after communication, nothing changed. As a man, even when we want to be romanced, we have to literally do eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 07:18 AM
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Yet none of these guarantee a great relationship either.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 12:14 PM
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I have been called a virgin incel, because I espoused a certain point of view. I am not even red pill, right wing or anything else. I am have been i an relationship for 23 years, and girlfriends before that. I simply agree on different points from both sides of the aisle, without prejudice. Both sides have hated on my at some point. Yet I have at least experienced both feelings. One of not being seen as a datable dude. From 16-18 years of age. And then things picking up drastically until I met m…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 07:42 AM
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Women accept relationships with men they do not find attractive all the time. Then proceed to make his life miserable, while also gaslighting him.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 06:28 AM
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Don't unattractive men get less sex/shunned by their partners, while she is ovulating? Then it's all lovey dovey again, when she is isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 09:48 AM
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I have always had a thing for older women. Like late 30s to 40s look. It was there when I was young. I even had a fling with an older attractive woman when I was 20. Then I met my partner who was 20 and I was 21. It made sense to date my own age, and older women were definitely not easily obtainable. I was very attracted to my partner physically, she is conventionally hot, so there you go. Then we both aged and now she is in her early forties. And I am so attracted to her, because I was into hot…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 09:37 AM
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and violent abuse. They get away with violent abuse too.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 08:08 AM
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He is not wrong, women are very discriminatory towards bi men. Over 80% of women would not date a Bi-man. Same goes for Bi sexual women, where lesbians are the ones that discriminate against them the most.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 06:35 AM
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Projection is a real thing, some men do it too, but anecdotally it comes from women more. And I am a guy that usually gets on very well with women. Most of them are not like this, but quite a few are. And usually it does have to do with pre conceived notions, even if what is in front of them is different. I had a friend spend a week with us away at a cabin, with me and my wife. And although we both were mostly doing everything together. She kept mentioning how I was lucky that my wife did everyt…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 06:25 AM
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I don't. I think the standards are certainly overrated. Women will indulge a less attractive guy, that meets a certain threshold. But would say that most women behave very differently with their partners depending on how he looks. Personality will not make up for that gap.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 12:35 PM
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I might not agree with his assertion, but it was more akin to the fact that girls that are dating these guys, are not very affectionate towards them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 12:32 PM
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Yes, I agree, but that is still only less than a handful of chances since the time they are young. Which usually means the average man finds it much harder to let go of a relationship. Even when it is hurting them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 09:45 PM
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I somewhat agreee with you. As a man I do feel somewhat entitled, to the idea that the person I am dating likes to have sex with me. Do I feel entitled to have sex at the drop of a hat. No.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 01:12 PM
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Yes you do. If you can only "pull" one woman. You will be stuck with a single option. Even if she doesn't love you, and if she does, she still might be completely awful to you. Yet, if you can "pull" many, you will continue on your path until you find the right one, for you. Hence why women are always the ones to leave first. Because they know that they have other options. Optionality actually has a place, in finding a good partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 10:33 AM
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This is simply not true for all women, even most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 04:12 PM
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Romantic attraction is gendered too you know? What an absurd statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 04:09 PM
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Sure, South Asian man here, who has mostly dated white women. Because of demographics and culture. Not because of racial preference. My experience is the same as above poster. We are rejected out right because of race. It happens a lot. I dated alt women(I am a metal head too), and it helped somewhat.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 05:53 AM
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Seriously, I have no men that I have come across in my personal life that have done any of those things, you say. I have read it in the papers, though. Just like chopping a man's dick off or placing a hot iron on his back Yet I have seen women do this stuff with my very own eyes. And by assault, I mean GBH. Taking a pint glass and smashing it on his face. Leaving him with permanent scarring is pretty serious. And she didn't even know this guy. Just pulled him that night.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 01:02 PM
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Any man who has a low libido or cannot get it up for his partner. Is porn sick with death grip or needs to have his T checked. I could possibly not be true that she needs to hit the gym in order to get sex from him. Any man that cannot get sex from his partner, needs to take on all the chores in the house and hit the gym and take her out on dates. And even if he does, her not wanting sex with him is no reason for him to complain. It's just "natural". The end result. I see far more women on dead …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 12:57 PM
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Yes I have, women have assaulted men right in front of me, because he pulled a different chick to her an hour after pulling her at the club. Although many women I know have done that at some point in their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 12:52 PM
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All women do. I wear eyeshadow as liner (In my water line, it looks like you don't have it in after an hour, just leves a dark hue). I am brown too, so that helps. All the women around me cannot tell and think I have a "natural" eyeliner look. I even got a compliment about it the other day, in front of my wife. We laughed about it on the way home. My wife still really digs it though.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 11:35 AM
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There are a lot of men wearing hair systems (wigs for men). Done well. They look incredible. Leg lengthening is for some a waste of time and way worse than a BBL. For one, it puts your proportions out of wack. Men are considered more attractive with a 1:1 raitio of leg to torso. So lengthening may, make them look worse. Secondly, it takes years, not a day surgery with 6 weeks recovery. And then they have weakened legs for life. I would rather squat 250lb, then get to be 2 inches taller. I am 5'7…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 11:30 AM
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Yes it does. It fixes things as often as you do them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 11:24 AM
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I don't always agree with her dude, but she is right on this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 11:23 AM
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Because the average man, puts in almost no effort. They should. It will not create that instant attraction that they are looking for. But it's nice to receive around 10% more smiles daily from people.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 11:22 AM
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I whole heartedly agree with you. I am the same with women. The amount of time, the bra came off and there was just padding. Yet I still dated those women, and found them hot. I have fake hair, and my wife has been loving it. In fact she helps me with putting it on. The world does not see it anyway. Or if they do, they think it looks great.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 11:19 AM
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I thought this too, until I took the tools and used them on myself. And guess what. These women are so blind to it. That they don't even notice. But I am much more open about it anyways. Why hide something. It's nice to be complimented by women. I got fake hair, and they all like it. Just like men appreciate fake boobs, even though they are fake. i don't hide that it is fake though. I wear make up, and a fucking female make up artist, complemented me on how my eyes were so beautiful without need…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 11:16 AM
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Yes. Every single good looking guy I see, is vain to a large extent. I was colleagues with a 55 year old ex chad. He was still doing his hair, wore his shirt buttoned down. He had started using make up to hide some of his aging skin, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 11:00 AM
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Well, what about treating your partner as an equal? I would hate to lord over my partner. I guess the dudes that are like this, are justified then?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 05:35 PM
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As in, in the relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 03:51 PM
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You changed the goal posts. If you hire a person to do your share. Sure. Your partner does their bit. Still a 50/50 split It's not shared finances at that point, though, since it's your money and you only hire someone else for your share of the housework. Again, if you pay the majority of the bills, then it is your money. Joint finances are joint. It's no longer your money. BTW, I make more money in my relationship, but do not consider it to be my money. It is ours. And if we divorce, she gets h…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 02:22 PM
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I said equal, not bulk of the chores. You are putting words in my mouth. I talked about equal distribution based on time worked, not income. For me, my partner does not take their company position home with them. I do not give a fuck who you boss around at work. At home, we are equal. If, however, my partner works longer hours. Then, I will help out more, given there are joint finances. If we split finances, hell no. I do not look down at my partner for having lower hourly pay. Or look up to the…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 02:03 PM
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I disagree, we are talking about income disparity. Not a disparity in hours worked. If my partner has a full time job, and I have a full time job. But I make more money than her. It does not change the fact that she is also putting in the same amount of hours at work. So at home we share the load. You sound more like a red pilled man.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 12:39 PM
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But that might just be purely because his go to moves are particularly, her thing. Whereas if a guy has a long term relationship behind him, where he learnt how to do certain things for his partner. Then does that same things with the new one, it might just come off wrong. Doesn't mean he was bad at sex. Just not compatible with this new person.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 12:29 PM
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John ends up having sex with Sarah. She is a star fish. He is not a dick head, and changes his mind. So he goes on another date or two. Ends up liking her. Sarah then acts as if they are together. Makes him feel like she only has eyes for him, and is very much smitten with him. He really likes this, because he always wanted to feel a girl being romantic with him. In the mean time, she is still going on tinder and checking out her new matches and/or having sex with her exes. They have not had the…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 12:21 PM
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Not completely temporary, no. I first got a job with around equal pay. Then we jumped past each other at times, until now, where the last 10 years we settled into me making probably around 15 -20% more than her. I don't care, however, or expect anything for that. We have had completely joint finances since year 2 of our relationship. She does probably spend a bit more time on chores than me. It's like a 40-60 split. But I do a lot more of the emotional labour, even with the kids. But I still som…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 11:01 AM
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I wasn't talking about myself. I have never played around with multiple women at the same time. Even when given the chance. I did, however, spend 10 years with my wife before we got married. But the commitment was there. I wasn't dragging her along.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 10:05 AM
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Bottles of wine? lets not add alcoholism to the mix. Although I agree with the broader point.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 08:53 AM
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But this is the argument that traditional men make? And we rightly consider this to be toxic.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 08:52 AM
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enjoy being the feminist boss lady. At home?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 08:49 AM
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I think it's great that you are breaking the mould. But I disagree that it is people that conform to traditional gender roles. It's a lot more mainstream than that. I had around a year of my 22 year long relationship, where my now wife, was the working partner, while I had only a weekend job, and just stayed at home. A lot of friends(women), even some of my friends, were telling her to break up with me over it. I was lucky that my partner didn't listen to them. But it still caused her to think n…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 08:48 AM
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Same with Superman.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 02:36 PM
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Oh she is. Just depends on the guys face.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 08:17 AM
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I didn't say she did. But makes you think about her worrying for her safety?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 08:07 AM
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There is some hypocrisy from some women in this. Anecdotally, I have a friend. She is back on the dating market after over a decade. She keeps talking about safety and being careful. Yet, when she went on a date with the attractive guy, she went back to his place straight after the date. He did drugs in front of her. She thought that was a red flag. But slept with him anyway. He woke up the next day and continued doing drugs. She slept with him again. Yet the average looking guy, that she is con…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 07:57 AM
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Average women, get approached more than attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 07:28 AM
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I think it has to be said, that this also applies to women within relationships. Not just for dating. Whereas it is not necessarily true for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 07:25 AM
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Yes, I agree, women always watch the final or the big event. Without any real interest in the sport.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 10:14 PM
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Far more husbands watch rom coms, than their wives will watch a sports with them or an action movie. Almost all of my friends will list shows they watch together and shows they watch separately. It's usually her shows that are watched together.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 11:28 AM
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This is an unpopular opinion. Even on PPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 06:11 AM
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Women care a lot less about appearance in men, for the things they want from those men. Not for the things that the men want from their women. For that, appearance matters to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 02:45 PM
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I am still guessing that most of the guys you dated, were around the same attractiveness level as you? There are certainly outliers, but most people still match up relative to one another.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 02:10 PM
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No doubt, I am not saying that it isn't like this, all I am saying is that women have always had the upper hand in dating. And even back in the day, some amount of effort got these women a date, while dudes still struggled. Sure it has probably gotten worse. I am just glad, I am out of that race.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 02:05 PM
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I agree, but most young women, even the introverted ones. Hung around with friends in 2002. And sometimes went out. The social circles were there. I remember a 3/10 girl, a truly introverted one with issues. Was forced out on the town by her flatmates. The girl pulled within a couple of hours. I took my below average mate out several times over a year. He had no chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 01:28 PM
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I have been on the receiving end of hate from these types of guys. Because I was dating/got attention from the attractive nerdy goth girls. I also studied physics in uni. So, there were a lot of nerds around me. The ones that struggled, almost always dressed neutral, and then tried to hit on alt girls. Or they simply were badly put together and overweight. Yet looked at the cuter girls, wanting a shot. Even average looking guys that were skinny, dressed goth, and generally styled themselves well…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 01:23 PM
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My one and only friendzone experience was with a girl that would consistently keep me at 1st and 2nd base. That was ambiguous as fuck. Lots of PDA, snogging in private, breathing on my neck when hugging me from behind. Resting her head in my lap, etc. So I stayed around and was falling in love. Which made it all the more difficult. I did act a bit simpish, which was maybe the problem. But alas, I was young and experiencing love/limmerence for the first time. That was my first and last experience…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 07:55 AM
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Not true, it was the same in the pre app era too. As a woman, you will get approached. Which in not the same as having to do the approaching. Which also always means that you know immediately that the other person is into you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 07:24 AM
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I would say, this is far worse, when played out in a long term relationship. Where the guy is the only one that has to plan all romantic activities, initiate all sex, etc. It can cause a lot of psychological damage to the male partner over time. Unless he is able to understand why this is the case. She also leaves herself a lot less leeway in being able to say no.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 07:03 AM
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But these guys still need to realise that most of their opportunities in these circles will still be with looksmatched people. In fact they will find more looksmatched women with shared interests. They will not land that alt goth baddie, even if she likes sci fi and plays video games. The better looking alt guy, with dork habits will most likely get her.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 06:54 AM
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What are you talking about, the alt baddie, usually wants to date an alt guy. He could be the handsome alt guy, which makes sense. But usually she is not going to date the frat gut( I assume this is like a townie or chav)? As someone that is married to an alt baddie, she is also a dork. She only dated alt guys, who were somewhat dorks. But they were all somewhat good looking alt, dorks. That is how it works. She wasn't going to want to date an unattractive dork.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 06:46 AM
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Do you think that it is purely looks that holds you back or something else you have identified? I am not sure I got the full picture of why you are having such trouble, from you comment?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 06:41 AM
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Yepp, not sure I was a weirdo(maybe a little). But as a brown person, I can most certainly code-switch. This meant that I can easily socialise with normies and the general population. But it does end up boring me somewhat. As for dating, niche maxing was the only thing that worked. Dating interracially during the late 90s was only possible due to niche maxing. Outside of certain sub cultures, "normies" were a lot less interested in dating interracially. But since I was a metal head, the rock com…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 06:37 AM
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Not only this, these examples are not comparable to the real world. Where most families like mine, we have had to contribute an almost equal amount throughout the years to build what we have together. If something happened and we split up. We both deserve and equal share. And looking at people around me, even the more extreme examples are where he makes around twice what she makes. It is hardly a huge disparity. Getting 50/50 in that situation, where he works more than her and she works at home …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 02:16 PM
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Yes, being around children and raising them, lowers mens testosterone and also triggers neurological adaptations in their brains. It's not the end of the world though. The biggest impact on my testosterone, was losing weight and hitting heavy weights. That really kicked improved my test levels. I then went to get my test levels checked and the dr. said. Guys that look like you don't have low test levels. I am mid 40s with 2 children.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 02:02 PM
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Yep. Got friendzoned once, when I was 19. It was not a rejection. It was a mind fuck. My feelings were clear. She wanted to hang out all the time. I got lots of PDA, even pulled a fair few times, touchy feely in bed. But then she would suddenly pull away and act weird. Not somebody that politely said no. That would have been easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 01:30 PM
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Pilled guys, seem to be right leaning, in the US context of right and left. Yes. Since economic principles are usually not discussed withing the context of the pill. I have no idea how they lean. And I usually define the right or left based on economic ideas, not social. Even though, they have merged in current times. Which makes sense, since the capital class wants to co-opt the more traditional/religious types from the working class. And have done so successfully. The right and left social pol…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 11:24 AM
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I'm not pilled, I will agree or disagree with individual viewpoints based on either experience or maybe research. If anything, I agree more with maybe the black pill. In that looks are the largest factor in successful dating for men. The only thing that gets them more optionality. Which is the main factor in being able to choose, not be chosen. It's usually the less attractive men that seem to have the most annoying partners. Red pill and blue pill, just seems to attract two different types of w…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 11:00 AM
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No, you simply called less attractive men losers, for being born a certain way. How classy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 09:58 AM
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Just like the poor losers complaining about the 1% or financial inequality. Pathetic. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 09:54 AM
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Women are usually subs. A femdomme is rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 08:11 AM
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Extroverted, disagreeable men have the most success in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 07:21 AM
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Some of the women I have seen disparage "Thai wives" the most are some of the most racist women I have known. It has nothing to do with concern. And everything to do with, how dare he.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 02:03 PM
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A burka, works like a charm.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 09:57 AM
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Yep, have a colleague that has just gone back onto the dating scene, her first time on tinder. She is okay looking, tons of matches. She was loving the validation. Then, she complained that 90% of the men she was talking to, ghosted her when she told them she has 2 kids. While also telling me, she ghosted a guy, because he had 3 kids. Only weirdos have 3 kids, according to her. The hypocrisy is astounding.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 07:45 AM
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Because everyone wants their partner to find them attractive. It's a tough pill to swallow. The same goes for women with husbands who don't find them attractive. Maybe have some empathy?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 01:03 PM
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Not such more at cardio than the average person that does not train whatsoever. I'm not a big fan of cardio, but still do long hard workouts, with weights, body weight. I notice how I am not nearly panting as quickly as the other guys around me that do fuck all.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 08:47 AM
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It's just another way of saying that these women are not sexually attracted to their partners looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 08:01 AM
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Yeah, my voice isn't very deep. Kinda average. Also, shortish. But my facial hair is really thick. Like 5 o'clock, shadow is a real thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 03:59 PM
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Right, I have below average t levels, but above average sensitivity to most of it. So hairy, Square wide jaw, kind of short tempered(bpd, controlled), high sex drive, and I am muscular.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 11:04 AM
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Loving parents raise the healthiest kids. Parents who are roommates tend to raise depressed kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 01:53 PM
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Oh yes, my wife has been nothing but great in this regard.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 04:15 PM
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Yes, my personal history had something to do with it. I had a crush on a girl, that was in a relationship the year before. She showed interest back and we fooled around a bit. Yet I was actually falling bad for this girl. So when that ended and the blinkers came off. I realised, just how shitty a thing I had done. And how a moral it was. Promised myself to never do something like that again. I also was a bit of a romantic in my youth, so was more interested in meeting someone for a relationship.…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 12:50 PM
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His age and what he gets up to I will guess. Yes looks count. But people seriously underestimate that time of life and what you enjoy doing is key. I was not some chad. People would say "attractive guy". That's it. I was short too. Yet I loved going out clubbing and partying. Hanging out with people, and being social, when I was still very young. That is the only way you will have casual sex as an average guy. And these guys, just don't do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 12:45 PM
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The first few people I had sex with. It was pretty shit. I was rubbish at it, they were rubbish at it. And there were no romantic feelings involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 12:41 PM
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I don't think there is much of a causal relationship here. Many people just have different view point, different libidos, etc. Many people are to shy to "explore". And others open up with time.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 12:39 PM
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Exactly, yet, also many don't know their league and just pursue people that they find attractive, until someone says yes. I will certainly still counter that a lot of girls, do try it on with guys above their "league". These girls are usually very confident, and also very forward. I have been on the receiving end. In those few cases, where the interest was mutual. I actually said no, due to a personality clash and not due to their looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 12:37 PM
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Does it have to be 5 minutes?. But yes, I had such an occasion. We saw each other on the dance floor, pulled. Some time after having pulled, we left got in a taxi, back to hers. Don't remember having talked much in between, but it was over 2 decades ago. Another girl sat down next to me in a club, started talking, and we pulled. She then says, she wants to fuck tonight. I said sure. Then she tells me she is engaged and wants to have one last fuck with a good looking guy(pure black pill moment, I…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 12:21 PM
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Most of what happens, can be faked. Depends on the girl, and how much effort she puts into acting. Like contractions, can be faked with kegels. Tensing up, facial expressions, moans, all can be faked. If she gets wetter, it can't be, but all orgasms do not have a release. Some people are shit at faking though.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 12:14 PM
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Nope, depends on the situation. I was pretty poor at sex, and all the sex I had in my early years. Started with meeting in a club or pub. Then back to hers.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 12:04 PM
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Absolutely not true. When I ment my girlfriend (early 20s) There was absolutely zero chance that I was her best. She had 2 relationships before me. One for 2 years and one for 6months. I had also slept with 3 people. One a few times, and another a few times and another ONS. So her "body count" was lower than mine, but her experience was with 2 guys with more experience than me. So, basically, I was pretty newb in bed. And she noticed. We talked about it. And slowly (she is not the best teacher).…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 12:02 PM
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One of his statements related to male perception, other then that he used people. And as someone that went through something similar. People acted and treated me different. Not just men. I sometimes thought it was me getting some of her white privilege. Sometimes I realised, they were conferring me status based on her looks. People act like this, not just men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 11:45 AM
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Nobody cares, it's more an observation. I noticed this too, and was affected by it. Not that I was seeking it or looked for it. I was just dating someone that I liked and fell in love with. But noticed that people were treating me very different. And not just men, women too, were doing the same thing. I mean, whenever I have dated someone white, I get a bit of white privilege along with it. Why would this be any different.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 10:31 AM
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It's certainly not a male thing. It's a people thing. Women also act very different and infer status, based on this.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 10:26 AM
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He is making an observation, not necessarily indorsing it. And I will agree with his point. It really is a big thing. And not just from strangers. Yes, genuine human connection is the main reason for a relationship and should remain the thing that you want the most. But this can really start to mess you up. For me it did. I actually felt a host of feelings in regards to this. Not all positive. Fortunately we were very much in love and cared for each other. I actually think it's no different for …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 10:25 AM
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Happened to me too. And as nice as the status boost was. I will be honest and say, it started getting to my head a little. I am only human after all. Although, most of my replies to any comment was, "I am with her for more than her looks". "She is a great catch, and I am not talking about her looks". That was my true feelings, so that is what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 10:17 AM
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This is one of my most red pilled moments, even though I do not subscribe to the red pill at all. But as a guy that used to be close friends with a lot of girls. I realised quickly, to never talk about my issues. They loved complaining about everything, but the minute I would open up about something. They would immediately invalidate me, and act like I was doing something wrong. Nowhere did I feel like I had to hold a certain perception of me, but with women that were friends. Somebody will say …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 08:32 AM
1

I'm not dissatisfied. Just like engaging in the debate. I just have views, sometimes the fall to one side and sometimes to another.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 08:21 AM
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I have daughters, but still think that the current dynamics will harm them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 08:14 AM
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I agree, married man here and I hate all of the right wing commentators and the red pill commentators. They are toxic as f. Yet I can still see that the dating market has massive problems, and can relate to it being bad back in the late 90s too. But today like you said. It's gone to hell.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 08:12 AM
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They had to create fake women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 09:14 PM
3

The lady in question was also average looking. I did not see how she was all so cute.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 07:13 AM
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Most men don't even get to experience what their type is, or what kind of personality in a woman meshes with them the best. As they can hardly even choose, but have to be chosen.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 07:09 AM
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I have an anecdotal story. My wife's friend asked her to be careful with me, when we started dating, because apparently I was a slut. It couldn't have been further from the truth, but just the fact that I was always walking up to people and talking to them at parties and gatherings. Had a bunch of female friends. Made her come to this conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 07:00 PM
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Not from my experience, most girls that cared were in that range that you mentioned. I still pulled them like. But there was always a question about my height thrown in. Short girls were more often interested in me and seemed to not care. A lot of short girls like to date men who are on the shorter side of average.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 06:48 PM
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Or changes that are good for the well-being of our children.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 01:18 PM
3

All parents complain about having their kids from time to time. Some get stuck in that feeling. Sucks. But I would rather empathise with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 09:58 AM
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Exactly the same for me, but over 2 decades.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 09:45 AM
4

But, I have enjoyed great value from my relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 09:16 AM
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No free domestic help, two make twice the mess. With children even more. I get the point though for those that are not helping out at home. But that is not true everywhere. Another income, absolutely, really makes a difference for anyone but the rich. Children, for me yes, but not everyone wants them, and those people still want to have a wife/partner. Childcare, again, it takes two, no way would I let my partner take sole care of the kids, we are both needed to take care of the kids. Also it is…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 09:10 AM
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Yes, I wanted my kids. Although it can be tiresome on some days, but for me has been worth the love I receive.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 09:05 AM
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I have never been in a relationship where I acted like a wallet. In all my relationships, who ever had some money paid. Now we both make around the same, and have joint finances. Available 24/7, kinda, I mean it all depends on what boundaries you set and if the person you are with is considerate of your needs(including space). If on occasion I fall asleep on the couch, my wife usually throws a blanket over me, instead of waking me up cause I should be available to her. Protector: You got me ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 09:04 AM
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Married men have lower testosterone on average, than single men. Also men with kids have even lower testosterone than only coupled men. Men also have an increase in the organisational part of their brain, when they become fathers. It's more likely that these adaptations also spill over into being more risk averse and generally better performance at most jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 08:56 AM
8

Tell me you have never had a loving relationship without telling me you have never had a loving relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 08:52 AM
2

I actually find career and ambition to be sexually attractive in women, at the same time I also realised that I was not personally compatible with a woman like that. And in person, women like that would grate on me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 07:30 AM
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Lived with a flat mate, whos father went to jail for being in one and committing an act.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 08:15 AM
3

I have had long hair. It takes more shampoo and conditioner, sure. As for all the other effort. Depends on your hair type and how much you want to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 07:53 AM
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To be honest, my wife uses as many product as I do, less than the average woman and I do more than the average man. But we both eat right and train right. Which makes far more difference to our appearance, than any over the top skin care routine of makeup routine would ever help with.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 07:44 AM
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I think what you say is true, but I also notice a lot of men, stay, while complaining about these things. They are less likely than women to break up over differences, and I always wonder if the less attractive guys, that took a long time to find a relationship, are the most reluctant to end one?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 07:30 AM
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They dont. I am a bit over 5'6 and with shoes, probably 5'7-5'8. Yet I had zero issues with dating during my younger days. I got enough attention from women. Most of those women were under my height. In the UK, average height for women back then was around 5'3. So it was not an issue, at all. But 2 girls that I had a thing with were over 5'10. Again, height does matter, but still possible to date when on the shorter side of things. I will even argue, that height has an overall effect on how many…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 07:24 AM
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Most women wouldn't date a man who didn't think she was hot. And you can hear it echoed in relationship subs. But when a man feels the same. He should accept it because, being chosen by her is the ultimate compliment, meh.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 03:06 PM
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But I do remember the ugly guys getting girlfriends, the socially adept, ugly dudes, that were great to be around. Got together with the ugly girls. Now, the girl wasn't necessarily as much fun. But, that's life. All the unconfident, shy, ugly dudes that spent their time on their own. Yeah. They sucked at getting girls to like them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 10:20 PM
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I come from a traditional family structure with a Muslim background. Red pillers can say what they want, but it doesn't get any more traditional than what I have seen. Yet the women have so much say in everyday life (while staying in their roles). A lot of husbands acquiesce to what she says. Most of the women have 100% control of all the finances. The husband comes home and gives her all the money. She puts it in the safe(old school). She writes a shopping list, and he goes and buys exactly wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 11:48 AM
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To be honest, outside of a select few difficult people, most, even in traditional gender roles, would let the most knowledgeable person on a subject, lead the way. It is only the smart thing to do. I enjoy getting input on most things from my partner, because we are both going to be dealing with the consequences of any decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 10:42 AM
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Because I didn't give the details. It didn't happen immediately and initially I acquiesced. Because I was told to do so. And because it felt easy to not bother.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 09:34 AM
2

This sounds reasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 09:25 AM
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I agree with the first part, but not the second. The protector role is alive and well. Just because the chances of needing it are low, does not mean it is not an expectation. It is operation, get behind my man. And will happen each and every time there is a perceived theat. Walking the woman with you home in the middle of the night is still an expectation. And society will look down on a man that does not do this. Women enforce this in droves. I have had to protect me and my partner 2 times in o…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 09:24 AM
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Doesn't matter. As a parent of two. With the first, that would not be fed from a bottle. We quickly realised, when number two came along that we needed to do both. Just so we had flexibility on our lives. So we alternated between both right from the start, and it worked a charm.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 09:16 AM
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Not only the dads choices, but also moms choice and society overall. As a father that was pushed to the side in the first few months. And took it badly. It wasn't I who choose this. Luckily we recovered and she relented, saw that I brought a different side to childcare that she didn't. Today, we enjoy an equal level. And the kids are better for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 09:13 AM
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You are considering both things to be on the same spectrum. They are not necessarily so. Each and every single trait is on its own spectrum. A guy could like to play rugby with the lads and play bridge with a bunch of old ladies, while talking about the neighbours love life.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 11:33 AM
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No, they go there so that they can avoid straight men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 11:21 AM
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This might be true for some select straight men, but they are unlikely to ever end up in a friendship or situation where friendship would be considered. As someone that hung around lesbians and had a lesbian bestie. I was welcomed and treated well, while sometimes, the odd person there was a bit funny about my presence. Usually the came around, because I didn't on the surface of it take offence.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 11:21 AM
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On average I agree, but there is enough of a spectrum, that there is a lot of room for overlap. I like both, I want to play sports, have male dominated hobbies. And also like to sit with women and chat/gossip. Having emotional intimacy is nice. And when I have found men like me, it's the best connection ever. We gossip less, but there is certainly a lot of opening up and being honest and vulnerable.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 11:18 AM
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There is, if you are open to new friendships, regardless of gender and sexual orientation. Also something that straight men don't know. A lot of female strippers go to gay clubs to party after work.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 11:15 AM
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Most gay people are somewhere in between.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 11:14 AM
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As friends, sure. Not immediately, but depends how you two vibe with each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 11:13 AM
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I had a lesbian bestie for about 2 years back when I was in my early to mid twenties. We met while working in a club. and hit it off. It was one of the best experiences ever. Opened me up to the lgbt crowd. We would go out after work, do pills together and go clubbing. My girlfriend did not mind, but has recently admitted that she felt a bit threatened. I had no intentions. She was just a mate. Don't actually think it made much of a difference in term of me developing or learning something about…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 11:12 AM
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You are mak8ng too many calculations about this. That has never worked in the history of dating. What you said in the first paragraph is key. And you are still not doing it. It's like knowing what to do and procrastinating on it. You need to start socialising in whatever circles are available to you. And for us insecure guys, it's like the boy that wants to be a king fu fighter and shows up and sits outside the door of the master for 6 months straight, until he is let in to the dojo. Lucky for m…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 10:57 AM
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Have you not dated yet. At 27 years of age? If you haven't then I would at least start trying. It's another life skilled that is learned with experience. Which also brings confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 10:17 AM
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Are you okay? I mean that sincerely. Please accept an online hug from me. We are all need of one from time to time.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 10:04 AM
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Most people over 40 have an elongated philtrum, his chin is fine, but he has not jawline ( again very common). Baldness to his degree is pretty normal at his age. I mean, yes I hate the guy. But plenty of decent folk out there look a bit like him, and can get a relationship at that age.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 10:02 AM
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Don't know, apart from a few red pill circles, as someone on the older end of things. It was quite well understood that an attractive girl with a less attractive guy(rich) was with her for his money. And was probably not attracted to him. I mean just look at couples, even if a 6 is dating a 7. A lot of men will hit on the 7 because they think she is not attracted to him and more likely to cheat. They are not always wrong either. As for status, I am not sure. I think it is attractive, but wonder …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 07:17 AM
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I have met a few East Asian women that do this, and are vocal about it. Usually how their with a white guy so that they can have mixed race kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 07:12 AM
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I read that too, also was part of my thinking when I read your post. Hence, I was not agreeing, but simply entertaining your points.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 01:24 PM
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Yes. Both are the result of the same thing, if we take OP argument and run with it. I am not agreeing with him, yet if I do. Afghanistan could absolutely be a result of the same thing. The extent of patriarchy is not necessarily directly related to mate choice. Her we can include, culture, history, empire, war, etc. But how men are biologically very competitive and also more aggressive and stronger than women. Has everything to do with women's mate choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 11:44 AM
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Reading the link would have answered all these questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 09:04 AM
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Seems like you never read the link. It literally states a pattern based on partner attractiveness and how women felt about them. The ick is not during their period. It's when they are fertile. Women with attractive partners got an uptick in their feelings. Conclusion: Women don't want to fuck the physically unnatractive partner when she is fertile. But regains feelings for him when she hits her period.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 08:23 AM
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I think that solution is already getting implemented. More men than ever are spending more time in front of the mirror. I just don't think it will work in the long run, as women pick comparatively far more than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 07:35 AM
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I don't know. There are women that will do this for a short while. But it looses it's charm quick with women. Mainly because of outside pressure. It would have to be a sugar mommy type thing for it to work. You couldn't just be hot and she be hot. In most cases I have seen, the women will provide, mostly out of love and deep feelings for their man who might be struggling. But with the expectation that he will turn things around at some point. How long they manage this, is down to individual pati…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 07:14 AM
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This guy sounds more like he wants to be submissive in all facets of a relationship. Not just a house husband. As someone that has had a small period of being the guy looking after the house. Between jobs and doing some courses. It was never a problem. Because I was still taking the lead in many other aspects of our relationship. Something that I don't actually like that much (I am far more egalitarian in my principles, but enjoy the odd "negotiation"). But I have realised in life, that most of …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 07:07 AM
1

Say that to Stephen Hawkins.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 02:18 PM
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Seriously though. If I got divorced today, at the age of 43 with 2 kids. What would the chances be that my next partner would have a similar situation? Quite high, I assume. I certainly would not want to date someone that still wishes to have kids. I'm done with that. Now at the age of 21, yes. The idea that I would date someone with a kid in tow was not so present. As my options were not filled with single mothers. But today they would be. And those mothers would probably suit me better than a …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 12:46 PM
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I held out, and it was the best thing I ever did. Because as I got more socialised, so did my options grow. Suddenly I had offers from more women. And then out of the blue I met my partner, who I was very attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 12:43 PM
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I literally described self-defense, and you mentioned how some women will be repulsed by that violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 12:04 PM
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I will hazard a guess, that most women appreciate their man jumping in the fray and keeping her safe. If she is repulsed by that. Good riddance. If she jumps in with you and can help out. She is sexy too.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 11:33 AM
1

Had some fomo a when I was young. But knowing what I had, was enough to make my decision. Other then that I have realised that I am more romantic than not.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 10:19 AM
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So, I was a decent looking guy that met a decent looking girl. Then she had a glow up. People started to look at us weird. Then I had a glow down. Got slightly worse. They probably thought that I was either rich or something like that. I even had a dude say something along the lines of, we looked like a couple where love could overcome looks. But it wasn't true. We met in a bar and ended up in the sack, then enjoyed a fun relationship where with both were into each others looks. Now things have …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 09:04 AM
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So i got married to the same girl that I dated from the age of 21 to 31. So around 10 years before we got married. I was simply a bit tense with the idea of a wedding ceremony. I didn't like the idea of having 2 families meeting at a party. Different cultures. I knew my mother would demand traditional, and would get really pissy about it. We lived together for 8 years like husband and wife for most of it. Shared finances, eventually bought a house together. Trying of kids. I never had any intent…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 08:34 AM
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Women are absolutely attracted to a man capable of violence. My own partner flipped a switch after I went from the safe stable option, that couldn't hurt a fly. To, he took on a bunch of youth trying to kick the shit out of us in the park, and got us out safely. All of a sudden I was walking around with some PTSD and she was walking our feeling super safe with her sexy man.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 08:03 AM
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Appearantly in some cultures they are highly revered.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 03:53 PM
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Both my kids have unibrows. So I'm good.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 02:14 PM
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Since both partners are unaware of this dynamic. And people don't forget how they felt. I would assume that even if there is not resentment, there is certainly a memory of her having these feelings towards him. Also is the relationship not affected by her thoughts about her partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 01:55 PM
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These women actively get the sexual ick from their partners when they are horny. And are also assigning negative personality traits to them. I would call that different.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 01:53 PM
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As someone who has had women make moves on me. Not a lot, but enough. Usually it involves alcohol, and a certain looks disparity.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 01:41 PM
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I agree with this idea. There are definitely times, where a girl has started a "friendship", she realised I was not showing a lot of interest. She moved on, then suddenly I found myself attracted to her. I am not completely demisexual, but find my feelings and attraction certainly grow with time spent together and a connection. By this time, I usually realised that it was too late. And luckily after a couple of these mishaps in my teenage years. Was mature enough to not linger on thoughts like t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 01:07 PM
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So, I fall under the category of man that you describe (as in from a mostly segregated culture), and managed to have platonic friendships with women. Actually for a short while, most of my friends were women, and it didn't cause me any issues. I sometimes did mistake friendliness for flirting. Sometimes, I saw it for what it was. Sometimes I thought it was just friendliness, when I later realised that she was actually interested. Lastly, most of the time, I was just confused. One girl I was help…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 01:02 PM
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https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/252024#1 I am guessing these guys just have bad personalities. Nothing to do with their looks?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 11:01 AM
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This is because of the entanglement between economic left/right ideologies and social left/right ideologies. I am pretty left leaning in terms of economics, but cannot prescribe to a lot of lefty social policies.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 09:52 AM
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It's more like the short guy finding out she is tall and noping out before he gets hurt, when she finds out his height. Men are intimidated by the thought that he will get rejected cause she earns more money or that she will treat him badly for it. Not because they would not be okay with it. They look into the future and see someone that is not going to like them for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 07:30 AM
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I thought she looked normal weight, not skinny.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 07:25 AM
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No.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 01:36 PM
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I am swole and physically fit. CBT still helped. It made me mentally stronger.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 11:43 AM
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Find a therapist who uses actionable advice. Mine does. They exist. We worked on CBT, DBT, radical acceptance, and breathing techniques. Of course, I had to talk about my problems before he offered solutions and advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 11:42 AM
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Find the right therapist for what is affecting you. It has worked wonders for me. But that is because I only indulge in the practical side of therapy. Not wishy washy stuff. CBT and DBT have worked for me. I take no meds. I am picky with whom I choose as a therapist.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 11:38 AM
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Sorry, but I usually only dated with compatibility in mind. Otherwise, there is no relationship. If we had sex, no biggie. I never promised anything beforehand. Person I have been with for over 2 decades. Shares a lot of the same interests. We are well matched in terms of what we want from life. Although we didn't always get to the same stage in life at the same time. We were always polite enough to wait for the other person without complaining. Hormones did not trick me into a relationship, alt…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 12:48 AM
1

Most 6s are doing far better than most 4s.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 12:21 AM
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Most men do not attract most women. People do have personal preferences. Especially among the 4-6 range.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 12:16 AM
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Kinda. I agree. But with enough votes, the truth is kinda revealed. The guy averaging a 7 will get some 5s and some 9s. The guy averaging 5 will get some 7s and some 3s. In the end, they will still experience overall pull according to their averages.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 12:10 AM
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I was a skinny short guy. Never had a problem getting interest from women. Were the women some super model stacies. No. But I dated some above average women and plenty of offers from average girls, too. I'm not everyone's cup of tea. But who is. The girl I married was the prettiest girl in my social circle. Skinny has never been an issue for young men. I had broad shoulders and a slim waist. Square jaw, big eyes. Big ugly nose. Slight unibrow. Hairy. Great head of hair. Plenty of women have said…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 12:03 AM
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Yeah, I think me being a paki. Many people didn't like it. And stereotyped me as unnatractive. I read somewhere that in mixed race couples where the white woman is attractive. There is more disapproval on average for that match-up. I could swap white for majority. But since it was a white Western study.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 03:50 PM
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I have another question? If 2 people are looksmatched, in face. But one has a stereotypical hot body for the times. My wife had a very nice body. Think buffy vampire slayer look from early 2000s. Whereas I was slim, wide shoulder, small waist. But still skinny. Also, hairy. Would people think she was out of my league solely on that?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 03:38 PM
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Yeah, I know. I have some memories of being called hot, but never by my partner. So, I guess I just never believed it. I think a lot of girls thought I was attainably hot. I am gym maxxed nowadays. But for us naturals, we either look big in clothes(bulking). Or big without(ripped). I went with ripped as I wanted a compliment from my wife. If I fish, she will say I look nice. As for her libido, I have no complaints. I am lucky for a guy who has been with the same girl for 22 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 03:30 PM
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Thanks. The hug is very welcome.🤗
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 03:19 PM
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Thanks. Is that a true rate me 6? /s I always thought that there might be racism/jealousy involved. I have a South asian background. I dated white girls because I dated rock chicks. And they were usually white. This photo was 19, I think. But years of me getting told I was lucky to be dating my partner has worn on me, I guess, and I started believing it. My hair changed all the time. So I've had it long, a punk mowhawk, buzz cut, and more. It's hard because my partner has never complimented my l…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 03:08 PM
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Yeah, your last comment to me with the link alluded to that as well. I very much agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 02:51 PM
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I added a link to my photo from when I was 20, in one of my comments. U will see what I mean. I don't care much anymore as I am much older, and dating days are hopefully over. But it did hurt to hear other people say I didn't deserve to date my partner because I was ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 02:49 PM
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Same for me, although I did not have that much casual sex, as I settled down at 21. So most of it was just between the ages of 19-20. Just had sex with a handful of women, still plenty of pulls in clubs, without much conversation, sometimes zero. I'm unattractive as well. Even had a girl trying to sleep with me, while she was engaged. She walked up to me, snogged me, then started talking and said she wanted to sleep with me to get it out of her system before she got married. I noped out of there…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 01:09 PM
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I have pulled women, without them saying a single word to me on the dance floor. Where is da vibes in that? I'm not attractive either. So my take is that they are just drunk with beer goggles.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 01:04 PM
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Most women that attend clubs have not slept with 150 guys and have 5 kids. Every drunk does not have daddy issues. Some people just drink too much at the age of 18-22, because it is part of youth culture where they are from. Drug habit, is the same as drinking for a lot of young people. Depends where you live, but I would rather have dated a girl that smoked some weed, than got black out drunk. Alcohol makes people do worse stuff than any other shit out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 01:00 PM
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I was on the lower end of average. Will share a photo of me from when I was 20 (sorry about the quality, the picture is old), and always did well in dating. Also got called ugly a lot by men that didn't like that I could date attractive women. I think if you bring personality to the mix. Even guys like me that aren't attractive can do well. And I definitely am not some alpha type. Just very personable. Maybe things have changed? https://i.imgur.com/bAo4I8W.jpeg
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 09:19 AM
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I guess I do put on facial fat quickly. But also since you were already bonded to these men. It probably helped a lot. I have found my wife attractive throughout her body changes. Something that made me realise I wasn't as shallow as I though I was.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 09:02 AM
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From my understanding, even though large groups of people are in alignment on attractiveness. Hence the beauty is objective. Those studies have very low accuracy on the individual level. So if you take 2 ratings from the data set of one person. They are very far apart. Up to 50% variance. This is where the subjectivity comes in.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 08:54 AM
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25-30lb overweight, completely changes your face. Not just distort. Heck I look very different with 10lb of extra fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 08:47 AM
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A 4 would get called ugly plenty of times throughout their lives I think? I was probably a 4 when I was young and got called ugly by plenty of people. Mostly men, women were not so brutal.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 08:25 AM
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As a guy who had lots of women as friends. It was the same with them. They were not any more discerning when it came to me being vulnerable. They were great friends, confided in me. But as soon as I opened my mouth about anything I was struggling with. They just went awkward and silent. Or told me my problems were not a big deal, and moved the conversation on to something else. Realised in those moments that there was no escape from this loneliness as a man. There is literally no one to talk to.…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 07:33 AM
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I would respectfully disagree, I lurk on the Deadbedroom reddits. And yes, there are plenty of women in dead bedrooms as well. Usually they are far more vocal of feeling extremely undesirable due to this. And also the most common person on there putting up a post that they left, is also women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 06:49 AM
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I met someone out of my league, as that 5'7 ugly ethnic guy. I know I am ugly, cause guys have always been surprised that an ugly guy like me could get a good looking girl. It wasn't even an approach, just ended up talking after meeting through friends and starting to talk in a pub. She later told me that she had noticed me around. So if I had never had the courage to talk, nothing would have happened. I never thought she was interested until she asked me to dance and leaned in for a kiss though…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 11:39 AM
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Maybe, I always thought I was shallow, but then my own feelings have never followed that trend. I was my most attracted to her when we had a better emotional connection. Even after she had kids, I adored the changes as I saw her as my partner that we had been through so much with. Even when a good looking woman would flirt with me, I would disparage her in my mind, because she wasn't my partner and my partner was the most attractive person to me in my life. Yet I thought I was shallow in my head…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 09:05 AM
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You cannot imagine the amount of work Brad Pitt had to put in the gym and his diet to look the way he did. David Beckham spent hours a day at Warrington to look the way he did. Lastly, every single one of them spent 30 min getting a pump before their photo shoot. I look amazing for the first 30 min after leaving the gym too.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 08:45 AM
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I think that I am somewhat resentful because it happened in my own relationship. Was always told that she was just not very touchy feely or vocal. I was a skinny hairy guy. Then after I got really good at the gym lifestyle, built an aesthetic physique and starting manscaping more. Suddenly she is touchy feely and lots of mmms. That shit hurt, because I wanted it for nearly 2 decades, and suddenly it was there. Nothing about me changed other that my body.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 07:27 AM
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I don't know what is desperate or not desperate. Just don't linger on a specific person for too long. Move on quick if you don't get a response. As for meeting people. Basically you need to know, whose type are you, and where do these women congregate? For example, I was a metal head with a variety of friends. I would never get any traction on nights out with my towny friends. These girls just were hardly ever interested in a guy like me. But when I hung around with other rockers. It was far eas…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 12:46 PM
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No, it is not all hormone dependant. It is very much related to upbringing, genetics. My wife is quite masculine in some traits, like appearing stoic, being less talkative, no gossip, happy to do some DIY around the house. She also displays less emotions, and hardly ever cries. Yet she is very feminine looking and absolutely bricks herself at the first sign of danger. I am much more masculine in appearance, have very good testosterone(had it checked). Am very chatty, don't mind some gossip, can …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 07:44 AM
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To be honest, the entire premise is dumb. Nobody has a go at the nice guy changing for the better, apart from the person that was taking advantage to begin with, man or woman. And from personal experience, even male friends react positively to guy becoming more confident and sure of themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 07:24 AM
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Disagree, some baggy clothes will hide being fit too.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 11:45 AM
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I honestly do not know what masculinity is supposed to be like. As a man, I spend most of my time, just getting through chores of the day. Getting myself out of bed, my girls out of bed. Getting us dressed and fed. Kicking the girls out the door. Going to work. Working, coming home and making dinner, homework, watching some TV with the kids. Sharing these tasks with my wife, who has all the same routines. I have some typical male interests/hobbies and some typical female interests. That's about …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 10:22 AM
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I was one of these back in late 90s through 00s. It was more big flared jeans and hoodies/tshirts. And New Rock shoes. I wore DRMartins too. Emo came along towards the end of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 10:06 AM
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From what I can see about people like this. It's comes down to using guns and drinking black coffee.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 10:01 AM
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Thats because feminine and masculine are not on the same spectrum, with one at each end.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 09:35 AM
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She left him after securing her visa.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 08:20 AM
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I thought there were only 2 genders. But there are fake ones now?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 07:56 AM
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Be careful with the surma you get hold of. There are no regulations on how it is made and lots of bad stuff is added to bulk it up compared to the old days, when it was actually considered a good thing for eye health. I swapped to Dior black eye shadow because of this. Just apply it with a very thin brush in my waterline on the bottom eyelid. Is only sharp for about 3/4 hours, but for me it looks even more natural after this as it is a bit more dull, or reapply.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 07:50 AM
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Is SMV value for sex or long term relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 06:57 PM
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As a hairy guy, the not showing of skin part is true. After hearing countless women talk about how disgusting very hairy men's bodies are. I did start covering up more. I am only more confident now, because I shave a lot of it off now.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 12:07 PM
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Sure, I never said they wouldn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 11:37 AM
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Yes, they do. But when they say, I wish my eyes looked like yours naturally. It is a clear sign. Also, I am using the term makeup loosely. I mainly wear surma and some mascara. My eyelashes are already black, and my eyes are a very dark brown colour. I also have extremely feminine looking eyes to begin with. Yet all the men from my ethnicity will immediately say, " Dude , do you wear surma?" While white women think my eyes are just like that. I am generalising, of course. My point is. That unles…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 11:25 AM
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Sure, that is also part of the reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 11:15 AM
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I don't know. I think women do chase from time to time. What does chase look like to you? From my experience, even as an unattractive guy, maybe even a little ugly. I have still had women "chase" me from time to time. I came off as socially well adjusted. That helped. And I am sure, the good looking, even average looking guys, got chased far more. Maybe it's a US thing or things are a lot worse today then they were 20 years ago? But by chase I mean, women introducing themselves, talking to me, m…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 11:11 AM
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Or maybe my application is different to what women do themselves. So it comes off in a different way? Why would I lie about this, like what would be the point? I am simply making a personal observation. My wife likes it and knows. I used surma at first, now that is hard to get hold of where I live so I moved on to using makeup. On the other hand, men who are aware of surma, ask if I am wearing it. I say yes, but its not real surma anymore. My point was that awareness of something is much more li…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 09:43 AM
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You have it the wrong way around. It is more that these people at home or during their childhood were shamed for inadequacies to a level far beyond what anyone should experience. The feelings of shame and inadequacy are now far greater than what a normal human would experience and they are debilitated by it. Even small issues they are scared of. They are scared to experience those feelings again, which they inevitably do when somebody criticizes them. They did not become like this because they w…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 08:57 AM
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I made a sex video with my partner once. Always thought I was small. Mine is just above 6 inches. Looks pretty big on camera. I was shocked.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 08:40 AM
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This is also measured by pressing the ruler into the pubic bone. Not just resting on the skin. So when you compare yourself. You can gain anything from 0.2 to 1 inch depending on how fat you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 08:38 AM
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You got insulting real quick. You do you.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 07:49 AM
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I know my eye make up products really well. And as a guy that wears eye make up. Most women cannot tell. They just think that I was born this way. Helps that I am already dark, so they think I have extra dark eyes. But its just makeup. Women think that the line on my eyelid is real. They even compliment it and I just nod. Awareness is what gives people the ability to notice, not some great power of critical thinking. The point made was that it gives the impression of different type of eyes and I…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 07:37 AM
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As a bloke that wears make up. Women cant tell. Otherwise they would not complement me for these attributes that are achieved through make up. Awareness is the key to knowing, not great eyesight.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 07:27 AM
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No, but eyeliner can definitely give the impression of eyes being set close or farther than they actually are. Depending on what you want to achieve. The colour creates more contrast between the white of the eyes and the rest. So the eyes pop more and same goes for mascara, giving the impression you have longer eye lashes and darker eyelashes. I do not think it is deceptive, I personally think guys should be given the grace to do this stuff more. Just in their own way. I feel the judgement gener…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 07:18 AM
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So hair extensions are deceptive now? Or a really good push up bra? Or any type of "natural" make up technique. Personally, I dont agree that anything is deceptive. Its just personal enhancement. Which has been used by people since the dawn of humans. I mean by this reasoning, a loose t shirt is deceptive. Because you cant tell if a guy is ripped on not. Just looks skinny. And you might like skinny guys. Oh no, he is really jacked under that t shirt. Sneaky.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 07:10 AM
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In fact, no girl ever said to her. What are you doing with him? They instead called us a well matched couple. They saw what she saw. Yet men would, every now and again say "how did an ugly guy like him get a girl like that?" Even more insane, my oh so attractive girlfriend had a glow up a few years into our relationship. Now I was the ugly guy with a hot girlfriend. Yet it was also a time when I felt she was the most sexually attracted to me she had ever been. Sometimes, she would even get jealo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 11:42 AM
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So what about my case study(anecdote). Me when I was 20, unattractive, short, south asian, dirt poor. Got together with the most attractive white girl in my social circle. We dated, she fell in love with me eventually and even when she discovered that I was not quite right in the head, never left me, stayed with me and has always been loyal. I eventually did start to make some okay money and we moved into the middle class and had kids and now live a pretty standard life. Although I am still not …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 07:55 AM
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Who said I subscribed to the red pill? And of that 70%, how many are affected by the obesity epidemic? How many have sexually unnatractive boyfriends? How many have a partner with a below average penis? Just because 70% can't orgasm doesn't mean there is no reason for it?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 02:05 PM
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I do think that height although an attraction que is overblown. Mainly because it has become such a fashion in the US. But in the UK when I was younger. It seemed to be a thing, but not such a deal breaker for most women. I had a very decent time of dating or at least getting attention from women. At the great height of 5'7. Mostly from women shorter than me, but not exclusively either.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 01:55 PM
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Does that go for just generally looking stronger than you as well. Not just height. How about a tall guy that looks very frail? Curious as my wife also has a shorter guy preference, but that is not her reason. She likes that I am strong, although short. She knows I can protect her, as we happened to be in that situation once and I came through. She says that she felt especially attracted to me after that incident. My wife reasoning is that she is short herself and just doesn't feel attracted to …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 01:52 PM
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As a short man, I have to say. There are certainly women out there who prefer a guy on the shorter side. I have met a fair few of them. They all tend to be short themselves and want a guy taller than them. But not a guy that towers over them. I am with such a girl and she definitely had the proof to back up her claim. Since I have at one point or another bumped into her exes. and they were around my height, all of them. Also seen tall men get very pissy if I pulled a girl that they were interest…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 01:43 PM
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As a short man that did fine, I agree. They probably do do better in terms of options.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 01:35 PM
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I agree, after a certain age, dick size is not really talked about among women. None the less, as a guy that had a bunch of women as friends in his youth. This was not such a taboo topic. Pre everyone being perpetual online I might add. And the most common consensus I heard was that size mattered, but too big was not good. There are a lot of studies that show certain things about female sexual preference, function and attitudes, that are very un PC today. Things such as, how waist circumference …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 01:33 PM
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This was a thing long before porn was a common every day experience for men and women. I remember women talking about size being important before porn was a thing. Its like women have collectively decided to change their mind on this one. Even back then, it was obvious that too big was a thing. But very few are too big. But bigger is better than average is absolutely a very common preference. But since I am upper end of average I would say. It seems to go down without much discussion. Its like m…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 01:16 PM
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Disagree hard. I absolutely notice a woman more if she is dressed and made up to the nines. Women also pick up on these cues. It's called peackocking, and it absolutely works.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 10:42 PM
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You are taking an extreme example.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 10:24 PM
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You're adding too much detail. Somebody opening up is many times going to include insecurities. Doesn't mean they will express it in a way that you find acceptable or vice versa. Humans are not perfect in communication, or maybe the insecurity is unwarranted. Either way, if your woman is turned off by you expressing a normal human experience. Then they can fuxk off.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 08:48 PM
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If they say men should be one way and women another. Run Example, "I would never put up a shelf. That is a man's job. " "Insecurity is a real turn-off in men," "Men should not need compliments." Just add any number of these kinds of statements.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 05:50 PM
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Body positivity is strongly for women because women are the ones strongly fighting for it. Well the body positivity movement was started be a man and women coopted it. Hardly them putting in all the effort. They have men as allies far more than any women want to be allies of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 07:57 AM
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It was the same over 20 years ago. Women did this in the 90s, too. Men were much more considered when talking about their preferences in front of women. Women, not so much. Never seen a bloke say another girl is hot in front of his partner. Some women, on the other hand, found it perfectly acceptable.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 10:02 PM
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They do, I work in an office, and women talk about hight like men talk about boobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 09:58 PM
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Yes, but you could also get dumped for being too shy in the long run. At some point, your shyness might just grate on an extroverted guy. Whereas another shy guy might be more comfortable with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 09:55 PM
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Chin recession is when it sits behind the forehead, not lips. In fact, the most preferred is slightly behind the lips for women. It still looks very nice on profile.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 09:50 PM
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At what point is somebody a late bloomer? I lost virginity at 18, and I had my first proper relationship at 20. Consider myself a late bloomer.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 02:02 PM
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We are talking two different things I think. I am talking of a subtle short chin, that sits maybe slightly behind the lips, you are talking of women with strong recession.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 11:05 AM
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The square jawlines in women, is gay men picking their beauty ideals to be models. Then it just became a trend and we all started buying into it. Strong jawlines in women are not considered ideal in many other societies. Korea is full of jaw reduction, jaw feminisation surgeries for women. Look at paintings of old and all the women have very feminine looking, slightly recessed soft jawlines.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 10:33 AM
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lol, what?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 09:52 AM
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So I am South Asian and "chased white women". What was I supposed to do? They were in the majority, it wasn't because they were white, it was because there were more of them. I was open to dating any ethnic background. Just not interested in an arranged marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 06:50 AM
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I am not Indian, but South Asian background none the less. This was my approach too. Being social, going out a lot. Having a lot of friends and meeting different people regularly. At one point I was not really doing it to meet women, at least not consciously. It actually worked out for me fairly well. I am unattractive and short, yet plenty of women would want to see me again after we would get talking. On a few occasions, women would actually approach me and introduce themselves. Then we would …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 06:47 AM
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The definition of an attractive man according to evolutionary psychologists, has stopped being who women call attractive, and gone more towards. A man that has the ability to find a casual sexual encounter with a woman. Pretty low bar still, but if you can get occasional casual sex with women, you are actually sexually attractive to some women. That would be objectively attractive. This also excludes pure aesthetic attraction and includes your ability to interact, posture, smell, etc. It is a me…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 11:17 AM
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Then why does love bombing work?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 12:56 AM
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Disagree, this is not a red pill concept in itself. Just because a redpillar says it does not make it redpill. I am not a redpill guy either.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 01:43 PM
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My partner is a very nice person, would be considered a wonderful partner by most. I was a guy that came in with some baggage into our relationship 2 decades ago, she also had some baggage. We were open and communicated our feelings. I took it on board and made her forget all that stuff, making her feel less insecure, etc. she proceeded to hurt me in exactly the same way as my ex, apart from the break up part. In fact it was the opening up that made her feel this way about me. It was not cheatin…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 12:39 PM
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Becoming friends with girls, was great for me. But I never asked for dating advice. Also I read a study once that said attractive men had more opposite sex friends. No need to ask for advice, just talk and observe what they say, they want and you will know what works. Also it made me very comfortable talking to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 10:03 AM
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Women say this all the time. It is very common to say that men who have beards are insecure about their jawline. Some women are even demanding to see pictures of their dates without a beard before entering into a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 12:07 PM
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Makeup is used to change appearance of face shape. It's called contouring.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 12:03 PM
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I took a different route. I had no idea you could do anything about it. So when I was balding, I started to buzz my hair. Then later I started to shave it. Shaving it looks nicer than buzzing. I also gained weight, so grew a beard. Always a gym goer, but I cleaned up my diet and all of a sudden I had my old face back and my body looked great. Lucky that my skin is still really young. I got myself a hair piece for wearing on date nights and my wife loves it. If you do it right, it looks real. Nob…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 08:33 AM
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Yepp. I remember the really hot guy that a lot of women liked in our smaller social groups. Was a slightly attractive guy with height. I was 5'7 nothing Chad, but still attractive. And got a fair amount of attention. Even got called hot a few times. But generally got called attractive. The odd really attractive guy, was either in a relationship with a really hot girl or just going through the more attractive girls. Same for me. I was hitched from the age of 21 and had an attractive girlfriend. E…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 08:12 AM
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Nah, most women tend to lean submissive, so being the object of the mens desire is actually important. It's just that the men are not as attractive in porn and what they get up to is not particularly arousing. A bit more build up (not cheesy) and a hot guy (for women), Would really make the difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 07:52 AM
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I think if men had the opportunity to cheat more, it wouldn't be so frowned upon. Because then both sexes, want to be able to have a lot of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 07:45 AM
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This is not new, it has been happening for years. It was the same over 20 years ago. Nothing has flipped. And usually the below average women will get sexual interest from a bunch of men, but the below average guy will need to play the long game. They will eventually match, but she will find him to be a lot less experienced in dating/sex than she is.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 07:37 AM
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Many men do not have a choice, they have to cast a wider net and see who latches on. Men certainly care about personality, but many of them will rarely have a choice to make. And many women will given the choice, choose the more attractive guy. Rarely do women pick the less attractive dude, unless the attractive one make it obvious that there is no relationship to have, from the get go.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 07:34 AM
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Isnt that just most people, not just girls. Also super hot men are rarer than we like to believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 07:24 AM
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playing with her hair. This is actually rarer than you think. Most common is just introducing themselves, because they know a guy that you know, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 07:20 AM
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The other side of it is guys can see the signals but they're just not interested in the girl and thus do nothing about it. Yepp, been there. When I was rally young, I did not know what to do with the signals, then there were times, I felt awkward, because I was not interested. I did perceive the signals none the less. I am not chad, but I guess I fell into the attractive ish range.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 07:17 AM
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I grew up in the UK. Dont know abut now, but back in the late 90s, early 00. It was certainly not uncommon for women to also make the first move. And yes is was like Tinder, ish. where if the girl is making the first move, the guy is usually slightly more attractive than her and vice versa. The more attractive women were still a bit more subtle, they would introduce themselves, be engaged in conversation, but prefer if you escalated. The less attractive women, would get somewhat aggressive. Gene…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 07:11 AM
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Being more physically attractive certainly helps. I was a nice guy that would attract nice women. It wasnt impossible. But what really helped me was not going to the gym, it was learning how to be chatty and fun to talk to. I socialise maxxed. Something that is forgotten in todays generation. And this was really hard. You have to move from friend group to friend group, while getting better. Because first impression count for a lot. Lastly I stopped being a yes man. That is also important. These …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 06:59 AM
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Maybe in some dream scenarios, most people know they are not dating a 10/10. Yes, we gain and lose attraction. Yet there are plenty of studies that show women feel different in LTR with less attractive men. Just some examples. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S019188691500505X https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26193479/ https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/252024#1
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 08:11 AM
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Some of the best sex a man can get is from a woman that is less attractive than him.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 02:39 PM
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It's true though. But since the groups are smaller, most women see these men pair off and start working their way down the food chain. Hence the least attractive people get together last. Then those women tell their men, it was love at first sight and all that bullshit. And they lap it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 02:03 PM
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This is usually not the case, no relationship is perfect. So even mr 5-6 will get angry, act idiotic, pick his nose or say the wrong thing. Problem is that suddenly now, he looks like a 5 or even a 4 to her. And the yo-yo continues, until she starts dreaming about the 10/10 that looked like an 8 on her off days.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 01:24 PM
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The problem arises, when you consider that the person you are committing to is the person you are going to have a lot more sex with. Something that is lost on a lot of women. The partner then feels resentful that she does not seem to be into him as much. Especially if it comes out that she was very sexually explicit with previous casual sex partners. Which to be fair, comes out eventually. Then the very partner one chooses, is left to feel, not good enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 01:18 PM
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I prefer not to call this settling. Settling is wishing you had a better looking partner, knowing that you could have got one. But they tick a lot of other boxes, so you obliged. But then you regret your decision from time to time. You can take any other attribute, beside looks and call it settling as well. Settling is a feeling you carry about your partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 01:12 PM
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Only in regards to looks. If he looks good, but isn't much else he can get casual sex. If he looks not so good but has everything else, he cannot get casual sex, but maybe a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 01:09 PM
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This is an assumption made by the researchers. I posit another possibility. Most of the dumping is done by women, so men are less likely to have gotten any closure, and also never had the chance to get over their feelings for their partner during the course of the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 12:52 PM
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Also, I think they have a point that what women find attractive in men is when they fit that traditional mold of strength and height. Not beauty. Disagree on this, plenty of women go for an attractive looking face.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 07:08 AM
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Fringe, as in, is not a common occurrence. Women have been dating men they don't find attractive forever. And still, they get all the empathy, even when they come forth and leave the man for it. So I am hesitant to call it cruel because it reeks of double standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 04:10 PM
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I think the idea of practice girl friend is a bit fringe. But allowing yourself to have a sexual relationship with someone that is willing, is not wrong in my opinion. And don't see the harm in it. As long as one does not overpromise on commitment. Even women that date someone for "personality" don't ever tell their men that they are not physically attracted to them. And they usually ditch the guy after the first argument, because he was an asshole anyway. That is also mean, but it happens a lot…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 01:26 PM
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