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Upvotes	Title	Category	Author	Subreddit	Date (UTC)
24	Graph: height and number of sexual partners for men - correlation exists, but is much less than might be expected	Science	throwaway4068356454	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/21 08:01 PM
20	I like access to media, but I think it is significantly to blame for driving communities of men and women apart	CMV	throwaway4068356454	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/22 02:08 PM
0	How to find/build a relationship where disagreements of a political or deep personal kind are considered a good conversation topic rather than something to be avoided?	Question For Women	throwaway4068356454	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/21 02:10 PM

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1	I like access to media, but I think it is significantly to blame for driving communities of men and women apart When you say "history" do you mean post-agriculture or pre? The post-agriculture part is largely irrelevant to the evolution of our instincts. Many contemporary non-agriculture societies spend quite a lot of time on recreation, for example dancing, which women participate in a lot.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/08/22 03:07 PM
1	Explain again how hypergamy isn't true... You can't say it's female nature to be polygynous when the result is based on a mere contextual variable. I don't particularly see why the contextual aspect is the problem there? To understand the behaviour of people in the society we find ourselves in, you're best off comparing it with other similar societies. Our society is much more like one that just discovered metallurgy than a HG society (batshit-crazy, unprecedented, previously-hard-to-imagine amounts of social stratification). (I'm not s…	/r/ExRedPill	03/12/21 12:00 PM
1	Explain again how hypergamy isn't true... I am assuming this the Poznik paper you mean, where Sayres is a co-author? Here's a part I feel like could go either way: lineage expansions seem to have followed innovations that may have elicited increased variance in male reproductive success, innovations such as metallurgy, wheeled transport, or social stratification and organized warfare. In each case, privileged male lineages could undergo preferential amplification for generations This is what is meant by "neutral demographic forces" righ…	/r/ExRedPill	03/12/21 01:50 AM
1	Explain again how hypergamy isn't true... This is all very interesting and convincing but seems to me surprising given the fact that there was a period in history where 17 women reproduced for every one man. Would be interesting to hear your way of reconciling these. One easy answer I guess is that the dawn of agriculture was just a spectacularly violent time for men!	/r/ExRedPill	02/12/21 05:59 PM
9	What are you not willing to change about yourself that would otherwise improve your RMV or SMV? If they are weak I’ll become cruel to them Have you tried not doing that?	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/08/21 10:42 PM
2	What are you not willing to change about yourself that would otherwise improve your RMV or SMV? I am not going to drink. I hate the taste, I hate the expense, I hate the unhealthiness. I hate the idea that you need an "excuse" to do something you want to do. I hate slut shaming. And these two combine to create something else I hate: the association between dating and alchohol. I hate that my not drinking seems to make dates nervous about drinking themselves, no matter how much I explain it's a personal preference (because if you need an excuse, you need an excuse!). I hate all this but sti…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/08/21 10:02 PM
1	Graph: height and number of sexual partners for men - correlation exists, but is much less than might be expected Matches are not one-to-one with sexual partners.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/21 05:45 PM
1	Graph: height and number of sexual partners for men - correlation exists, but is much less than might be expected Indeed, you believe they have have up to 60% more sex (though almost always less) than their less-attractive peers. As I've mentioned, this requires you to believe that the bottom 30% of men, who have <2 sexual partners in their lives, are around as likely to be attractive as men who have had 5+ sexual partners. You also have to believe that the ~30% of men who turn down offers of casual sex are almost exclusively doing it because they're in the top 30% of men by attractiveness. To be frank I fi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/21 10:48 AM
1	Graph: height and number of sexual partners for men - correlation exists, but is much less than might be expected Alright, so I have to prove that men who are more attractive have more sex. This feels bizarre, but sure. The hard part is measuring attractiveness. Here's one study https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1090513804000765?via%3Dihub based on facial attractiveness There's the famous studies showing 60-75% of men will say yes to a hookup. I suppose your argument is that the 30% saying no are doing so not because of fidelity or religious commitment, but because they're just so darn …	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/21 03:08 AM
2	Graph: height and number of sexual partners for men - correlation exists, but is much less than might be expected Thanks for clarifying. Here's some CDC data proving you wrong: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nsfg/key_statistics/n_2015-2017.htm - the top 30% of men have had 300%+ as many partners as the bottom 30% of men. That's not a very refined definition of attractiveness but it is a relatively tame thing to extract from that webpage, and already wildly far from the predictions your model.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/21 01:42 AM
1	Graph: height and number of sexual partners for men - correlation exists, but is much less than might be expected It's just occurred to me that your experience slightly flies in the face of other data too. Scandinavian women have had more sexual partners, more than US and UK women. Your experience of the US might be distorted by you having a British accent. This has affected my experience.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/21 01:31 AM
3	Graph: height and number of sexual partners for men - correlation exists, but is much less than might be expected u/AntifaSuperSwoledier u/ohheyhi99 u/antonio_aurelio For some reason my slightly-buried comment has been downvoted, so it looks like it needs to be said again: this confounder is relevant only if you're persuaded that attractive men stop having sex with less attractive women at the point where they've had around 60% more (but probably less) sex than unattractive men. The obvious alternative hypothesis is that you all may well be correct that men climb down a bit from their maximum-sex-possible s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/21 12:55 AM
1	Graph: height and number of sexual partners for men - correlation exists, but is much less than might be expected The graph shows that height difference increases your number of sexual partners by at most 60%. My understanding of what you are saying is: the tall guys are all very much more attractive, but generally once they've established that they can have some fairly large amount of sex, they get choosey. And the amount of sex where they become more choosey is 60% more sex than an ugly guy has. Is that what you think? Because my problem with that is still the number 60%. That is an extremely low number t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/21 11:54 PM
2	Graph: height and number of sexual partners for men - correlation exists, but is much less than might be expected If your only experience of other cities has been brief (I lived in other places for multiple years), it might be distorted. You get pounced on when you arrive somewhere new because there are people who have exhausted other options that aren't you. Believing your numbers involves assuming that you're right about your attractiveness level, which almost by definition you're incentivized to have an inflated sense of.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/21 11:37 PM
2	Graph: height and number of sexual partners for men - correlation exists, but is much less than might be expected London is one of the most brutal cities in the world for men dating-wise Interesting, how would you support this? Lived here for 3 of the 6 years I've been dating properly. Slightly hard to judge my own experience since my approach has varied over the years, but I wouldn't say London's been all that bad. You sound a lot prettier than me.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/21 11:16 PM
4	Graph: height and number of sexual partners for men - correlation exists, but is much less than might be expected Large difference to what? To the number of right-swipes you get? The number of right-swipes you get is slightly related to, but different from, the number of sexual partners you can get. I.e. more women will match with mr 6'2, find that he can't hold a conversation, and unmatch. She will then progress through to the next stage with different men, who have quite a few extra filters to go through before getting into bed. It looks like match-count could be the way blackpill has fallen prey to goodh…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/21 11:04 PM
1	Graph: height and number of sexual partners for men - correlation exists, but is much less than might be expected This study was conducted in the US. Most incels are american so I'd be surprised if it was more important over there than in London (where I live), Denmark or Sweden.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/21 10:59 PM
1	Graph: height and number of sexual partners for men - correlation exists, but is much less than might be expected How would you support that?	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/21 10:52 PM
2	Graph: height and number of sexual partners for men - correlation exists, but is much less than might be expected How far can this be true for specifically men though, as regards their body count? Are we saying a man will choose not to have sex with anyone in a night where he has the option because he couldn't find anyone pretty enough? Dubious	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/21 09:33 PM
4	Graph: height and number of sexual partners for men - correlation exists, but is much less than might be expected Hey hey, 80/20 might still exist, just for different reasons that you don't see in this data. I think blackpill (certainly shortcell) is contradicted by this. But I understand that one of the purposes of PUA (which is redpill to a large extent?) is to say that any dude can become chad.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/21 09:29 PM
5	Graph: height and number of sexual partners for men - correlation exists, but is much less than might be expected Ohhh, fascinating if true. Kinda suggests that men, like women, have a relatively low "baseline sex amount" they want, and once they get that they don't feel the need to invest any more energy to get it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/21 09:25 PM
3	Graph: height and number of sexual partners for men - correlation exists, but is much less than might be expected I can't access the imgur link, I'm assuming you're looking at figure 5.4 in this paper? If so, this is unconvincing, first contacts is OK as a proxy for one kind of attraction, but the study I'm linking gives you the thing you actually care about: number of sexual partners and whether you have a girlfriend. All that first contact tells you is how people judge when they have nothing else to go on (and maybe tells you that less-physically-attractive men need to send more messages, which you alread…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/21 09:23 PM
5	Graph: height and number of sexual partners for men - correlation exists, but is much less than might be expected The sample is quite big so I don't think other factors would take over It's still explicable by noise. In social science this is as smooth as it gets. To put it another way: note that the graph would be extremely smooth if they rounded to the nearest two inches.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/21 09:11 PM
10	Graph: height and number of sexual partners for men - correlation exists, but is much less than might be expected The pattern "was pretty jacked in 20s, let himself go later on, maybe after getting a wife" is pretty common (looking at recent reunion episode of Friends for example...). Remember this is lifetime sexual partners. Cute little confounding factor there, I agree!	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/21 08:57 PM
1	Graph: height and number of sexual partners for men - correlation exists, but is much less than might be expected The graphs linked above strongly suggest otherwise	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/21 08:48 PM
1	Graph: height and number of sexual partners for men - correlation exists, but is much less than might be expected Ah right, yes!	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/21 08:23 PM
2	Graph: height and number of sexual partners for men - correlation exists, but is much less than might be expected Opposite is true, shorter men make less money? Have you seen evidence to the contrary?	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/21 08:19 PM
1	How to find/build a relationship where disagreements of a political or deep personal kind are considered a good conversation topic rather than something to be avoided? Or that you initiate debating when they wanted to talk about something else Has happened a few times, yes. So they might say "Transgender people are delusional" and I say "I disagree with that because [reasons]". But at some point they change the subject or otherwise signal that they're not interested in talking about it. In that case I'd say the original opinion-expresser "initiated" the debate even though they weren't into following through. This is true even if they were expecting the person …	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/21 04:59 PM
1	How to find/build a relationship where disagreements of a political or deep personal kind are considered a good conversation topic rather than something to be avoided? I don't think so? It seems to me that the average person expresses an opinion or observation of a political, psychological, or ethical kind several times a day. The disagreements just appear if those statements get made. I did once date a woman who seemed truly apolitical; in two months she said only one political thing, so I never ended up disagreeing with her. That was a shallow arrangement though, we didn't really go into depth about anything at all, so zero desire for something like that lon…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/21 02:08 PM
0	How to find/build a relationship where disagreements of a political or deep personal kind are considered a good conversation topic rather than something to be avoided? My attitude is that if someone has time to express an opinion to me, it must be the case that they have time to say why they believe it and hear why it might be false, otherwise why would they have said it at all? That question is a bit sarcastic, I know that there are answers to it. I just hate them all. Thanks again	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/21 09:43 AM
1	How to find/build a relationship where disagreements of a political or deep personal kind are considered a good conversation topic rather than something to be avoided? Actually I've learned about the existence of a very different point of view that might be very relevant to my future decisions and I'm going to think about it a lot.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/21 12:39 AM
1	How to find/build a relationship where disagreements of a political or deep personal kind are considered a good conversation topic rather than something to be avoided? If you want to debate you should get friends not a partner This is a statement that could be right. I'm trying to visualize myself with the experience of another decade, thinking back to this thread - will I end up thinking that you were wrong or right? It haunts me. You could help me learn enough to figure out whether it's true, by telling me the reasons that you think it's true. If you did this, would it be a proxy for trying to socially dominate me? Just as you suspect that when I say these t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/07/21 12:28 AM
1	How to find/build a relationship where disagreements of a political or deep personal kind are considered a good conversation topic rather than something to be avoided? There are parts of that article that advise exactly the thing I go for: "Consider learning from one another. How can you grow if you simply surround yourself with people who think exactly like you do? [...] The only way to win in this context is for you and your partner to communicate respectfully despite your differences." If it really does not sit well with me it could be a sign that I want to be with someone I’m more aligned with. And this is another thing you can go for. As the article says,…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/21 11:52 PM
1	How to find/build a relationship where disagreements of a political or deep personal kind are considered a good conversation topic rather than something to be avoided? The hard part is if they're un-agitated but they say something you consider problematic. Does that land the topic in the territory of "agree to disagree" / "let them have the last word and keep quiet about the subject from now on"? I have no idea why it would be better to have one kind of conversation for friends and another for partners.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/21 10:36 PM
1	How to find/build a relationship where disagreements of a political or deep personal kind are considered a good conversation topic rather than something to be avoided? Thanks for the response. I'm not much like you or your husband: I hate agreeing to disagree Apart from sex (maybe) there's nothing I love doing with a person more than putting time into discussions (it isn't a "strain") I have an eccentric idea of "critical/crucial"; for me, any political statement are very crucial I'm totes a special snowflake and very few people have similar views to me, certainly not similar enough to significantly reduce the # of disagreements per week that'll come up! You'r…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/21 10:03 PM
1	How to find/build a relationship where disagreements of a political or deep personal kind are considered a good conversation topic rather than something to be avoided? If I may ask, when you are having a deep discussion with someone you like a lot, and the other person is talking, and they say something that you think is just false, and it's fairly key to what they're saying (it is a "deeply held" belief), what do you do / what do you think a reasonable/likable person should do?	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/21 09:48 PM
1	How to find/build a relationship where disagreements of a political or deep personal kind are considered a good conversation topic rather than something to be avoided? Yes, I wasn't trying to shift the blame or give an example of someone else being unreasonable. I was just giving an example of a case where your prediction (that I've not been attentive to whether others enjoy my conversation) was wrong. It was certainly the most dramatic I've ever been and you're right that it would be laughable if I was being dramatic like that as a rhetorical tactic, and then posting on reddit about how my partners don't want to have a reasonable discussion with me. If I coul…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/21 04:38 PM
1	How to find/build a relationship where disagreements of a political or deep personal kind are considered a good conversation topic rather than something to be avoided? Yes, I was expressing myself in a mediocre way then, and I could have done it better. At the time I resolved to get better in future on that subject. They were sincere feelings though. And she still disagreed with the opinion I had been expressing. I was fine with that. It just killed me that she might have thought I thought catcalling was ok. I bring it up to show that I would know the difference between people liking and hating conversation with me (eg I also get that you're not liking this on…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/21 04:08 PM
1	How to find/build a relationship where disagreements of a political or deep personal kind are considered a good conversation topic rather than something to be avoided? I do know when people aren't enjoying a conversation with me; my problem is sort of the opposite, I am desperate to be liked. One time a partner was angry with me and thought I was saying pro-catcalling stuff. This wasn't true; I despise catcalling. That conversation made me feel so awful that I ended up on my knees, weeping, and begging her to listen to why what I was saying was not pro-catcalling. When that happened she decided to hear it out a bit more and ended up agreeing that she had misun…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/21 03:37 PM
1	How to find/build a relationship where disagreements of a political or deep personal kind are considered a good conversation topic rather than something to be avoided? In context it's not super likely they were trying to protect my feelings. On the other hand, searching my memory, I guess there are equal numbers of people saying I was open minded and close minded (actually 3 vs 2 if I include you...) What in my post screams "closed minded"? I would think seeking out disagreements is surely open-minded behaviour. I'll say that in comparison with everyone I know, my friends have a wide variety of views, like some marxists, some Chinese govt supporters, some anar…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/21 02:54 PM
1	How to find/build a relationship where disagreements of a political or deep personal kind are considered a good conversation topic rather than something to be avoided? I don't consider that rude, it's a perfectly reasonable question and it's important for me to ask myself that with every conversation! But it's very unlikely to be my problem. I've been told that I'm very open minded. Again I seek out disagreements, I routinely change my mind in response to what people say, and I always tell them when I've done this.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/07/21 02:19 PM