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discussiontittltattl/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/22 05:20 PM
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Why the fuck would you want to do that instead of upping the quality of life for men to the same level? This is like saying women should be drafted too and ignoring the exceedingly obvious answer of just abolishing the draft.
/r/MensRights10/04/22 11:15 PM
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It is different. Male and female pattern baldness is not an autoimmune disease. Did you read my comment?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/22 01:54 PM
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Alopecia is the medical term for hair loss. It’s called alopecia for men as well. The media is dumb and doesn’t understand labels, but what Jada Smith has is alopecia areata, an autoimmune disease in which the body’s immune system attacks your hair follicles, causing your hair to fall out in patches. Male pattern hair loss is called androgenic alopecia, and as far as I can tell, it’s caused by genetics, hormones, and hair follicles becoming smaller with age. About twice as many women suffer from…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/22 12:50 PM
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That has nothing to do with interracial marriage. Where did she speak out against interracial marriage?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/22 03:06 PM
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The only thing I could find is an excerpt from one of her books where she talks about how white women marrying black men doesn't threaten the patriarchal order, but black women marrying white men do. Therefore, according to her, interracial marriage would threaten white rule and patriarchy. I don't see her advocating against interracial marriage, only explaining why it was so hated before. I would really need to see a source on this one.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/22 02:43 PM
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Donate to the red cross if you don't want to donate to a charity that's helping refugees. They are doing work inside of Ukraine, which obviously includes men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/22 06:10 PM
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Am I dumb? I don't see two different people quoted in the etymology section. All I see is the history of the word as well as a similar related word. Also appreciate the immediate jump to claiming I'm biased. Not constructive of you. Do better.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/22 04:06 PM
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It's very interesting reading bell hooks' positions in this article. I've intended to read some of her books at some point, she seemed to have had an interesting mind. Overall the article feels like it has a decent overview of where misandry shows up in modern media and within feminism. It definitely doesn't come off as pro-feminist given that it talks much more about misandry within feminism than it talks about critiques of that idea. I'm a little confused where you're seeing bias.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/03/22 09:31 PM
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An important thing to remember with this data and all data in general that correlation does not equal causation and there has yet to be evidence that gender freedom causes women to have lower engagement in STEM. That data just tells us that further research is needed to understand why that correlation exists, and anything we say beyond noting a correlation would be an unfounded assumption.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/03/22 11:10 PM
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I'm gonna get hate for asking you this, but have you looked at menslib as well? It might be a good place to ask a similar question. They're a very different community since they're feminist allied so they will likely have different perspectives that you'll find interesting as well. They are still left-wing however; they're the only other leftwing male space I know of on reddit. I appreciate you wanting to check out all angles and correct biases, best of luck on your journey!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/22 05:21 PM
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Hey, so I am gonna be really careful in how I approach this because I genuinely don't want to be offensive and I'm curious about your perspective. I saw in your profile history that you feel afraid of men after being assaulted multiple times and you hate that you feel afraid of them. I want to be clear; I hold no judgment towards you for feeling afraid. You're allowed to feel whatever feelings you have, and I understand why you feel that way and why you hate those feelings. It's hard to have tha…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/22 06:47 AM
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I think the best place to start is with Wikipedia since it gives a broad overview of various different understandings of patriarchy (not just from the standpoint of feminist theory, but also of biological and social theory), as well as various causes that are debated. If you want to delve deeper into parts that interest you, you can follow the sources. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriarchy But essentially, boiling down to just the definition, patriarchy refers to a system in which men have th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/22 05:44 AM
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This question, to me, is the most important question asked by OP and one I want to see answered. It definitely got me thinking: "In your opinion, is there a superior formal framework than feminism, in exploring gender's impact on society?" Can anyone answer this?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/02/22 05:50 PM
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As far as I know, ideologies like Marxism came about because of challenging the power structures of the time, not the other way around.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/02/22 04:54 PM
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Your argument breaks down when you jump from "revealing and challenging power structures" to "critical theory must start with a predetermined ideology to work." While I'm sure the logic makes sense to you, I see no reason why you made that jump because it doesn't actually logically follow; it could just as easily mean that critical theory is about exploring the structures in society to identify which structures are power structures without starting with a preconceived power structure in mind. In…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/22 05:05 PM
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Critical theory: "Critical theory is any approach to social philosophy that focuses on reflective assessment and critique of society and culture in order to reveal and challenge power structures. With roots in sociology and literary criticism, it argues that social problems stem more from social structures and cultural assumptions than from individuals. It argues that ideology is the principal obstacle to human liberation." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_theory Honestly, this sounds pret…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/22 12:31 AM
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Regardless of my personal feelings on it, my point still stands; these differences in gender outcomes in gender-equal countries aren't necessarily due to biology, and much of the difference may be reduced by treating boys and girls equally. I'd be curious about further studies, but this isn't a slam dunk that means that boys and girls are inherently different in personality and expression.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/22 09:10 PM
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I really don't think it's radical to show boys as much compassion as we show girls or to give them as many hugs as we give girls. You're defending the fact that many parents treat their boys worse than they treat their girls, but you're also on a men's subreddit. I'm not sure what your angle is here. Treating them the same would raise our treatment of boys to match our treatment of girls, who already get more empathy and kindness from their parents than boys do.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/22 08:57 PM
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I'm saying that it's not radical to treat boys and girls the same. I'm not sure what purpose there is in treating them differently.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/22 08:31 PM
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Having more resources Notice that phrasing. Generally, the richer a country is, the more gender equality it has. The more resources a family has, the more time parents have with children. The family is generally where most socialization occurs. Regardless, it's worth doing followup research to see why this trend exists, whether you think it's ridiculous or not.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/22 08:10 PM
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Does that mean you're in support of traditional masculinity that limits men and forces us to die for other people?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/22 08:08 PM
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Why is that ridiculous? It sounds like it would be a good idea to have a follow-up study to either rule it out or confirm it. Otherwise we're making assumptions.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/22 07:41 PM
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You're asking the wrong question and it's misleading. I don't care how people choose to live their lives as long as they're not hurting others. I care about how we socialize boys and girls differently. Those differences in socialization get men killed. We're expected to do all the dangerous jobs and to fight in wars. We also die most often in violent crime. Even in the most gender equal countries, men make up the majority of murder victims. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide_statistics_by_ge…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/22 07:40 PM
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For reference, here is the actual study: https://www.science.org/doi/full/10.1126/science.aas9899 I think for me my question is how much of this is social and how much is biological? The study authors make sure to specify that they're not answering that question ("Hermle also wants to ensure their findings are not misinterpreted as favoring evolutionary or biological explanations over social factors"). I think with this sort of work, there's a tendency from amateur readers to assume that these s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/22 05:41 PM
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That's how studies work though. Generally, at the end of the paper, they try to address issues with their work and what research needs to be done to address those issues. It's not scraping the barrel, it's the scientific process.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/22 05:31 PM
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We shouldn't spread false information. The orgasm gap is a real thing (here is one source). However, it doesn't mean that men are falling short; what it generally means is that a) male orgasms are generally straightforward to achieve compared to female orgasms and b) societally, there still isn't much education around sex, anatomy, and orgasm, meaning that it can be difficult to know how to give a woman an orgasm if neither of you knows how to do it, or if she knows but doesn't know how to commu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/01/22 04:46 PM
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I think it's pretty obvious that he meant that you're allowed to make negative generalizations about women as a whole on that subreddit. He never said that it was problematic to vent about specific women. Keep in mind, lwma has rules against bad-mouthing women in general. Do you believe this sub is making out bad-mouthing women to be a one sided thing that only men do to women?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/22 04:43 PM
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I would argue that arguing against the idea of sexual assault and rape is a right-wing position. In general, if you see people defending sexual offenders, it's the right.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/22 01:17 AM
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I think it's counterproductive to proclaim what is or isn't helpful for random strangers.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/22 10:49 PM
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He just asked for a sub that would discuss men's issues without being anti-feminist. Menslib fits the bill. I don't know of any other sub that fits those specific requirements. Also, real mens' sub? Do "real men" only go to mensrights or LWMA? That seems like some double standards if we're trying to discard the "real man" discourse for good.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/22 05:35 PM
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Your views sound like they might align more with r/menslib. Compare the two, see what's more your style. I went through the same journey you are trying to find a space that discussed men's issues without being right-wing. Best of luck!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/22 05:31 PM
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The post above said "killed by men (mostly in their families)"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/22 02:54 AM
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He is correct that women are more likely to get killed by a family member or spouse, while men are more likely to be killed by strangers. So women's killings are generally more of a domestic violence issue vs a general violence issue. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1635092/
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/22 01:01 AM
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Yep! I remember that. I was happy that the mods admitted their mistake afterward and stated that they would more thoroughly vet anyone they asked to do that in the future. That doesn't fit your narrative though.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/22 01:22 AM
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Sounds like it should have been removed then :)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/22 01:21 AM
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To each their own! You can absolutely hold that opinion. However, I've been to actual radfem forums before and couldn't stomach it. It's just too hateful, and it's pretty funny to think that someone would see menslib that way, but I suppose from an antifeminist standpoint it could look like that? The radfem shit gets shut down on menslib. The post earlier today about "softbois" got pretty heavily downvoted. IMO menslib is overly supportive of feminism and LWMA is overly critical. I think there's…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/22 10:18 PM
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You're welcome to feel outraged about shit that doesn't apply to you. It's my comment, not yours. I like the ideas discussed in the community. It is worth it to me. If it's not worth it to you then don't participate there. I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish here. Would you be happier if I didn't enjoy reading posts on menslib? Does it offend you?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/22 09:08 PM
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That's why I said "I'm a dumbass" in another comment.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/22 04:49 PM
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Yes, I messaged the moderator about that comment takedown and they were clear that there was nothing wrong with my comment, but that most of the comments on that post got taken down due to anti-feminism that was rampant throughout it and my thread was taken down because many of the replies to me were antifeminist. That's fine; I'm content that they saw no issue with my comments and those are the rules I agreed to play by to be there, namely, that antifeminist content isn't allowed. So I don't po…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/22 04:47 PM
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Oh shit I'm a dumbass
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/22 02:58 AM
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Much of what is discussed there is outside the bounds of feminism and/or critical of feminist ideas. For instance, from what I've seen the idea of toxic masculinity is pretty heavily criticized there. Not putting criticism of feminism as one of their main goals does not mean they're prioritizing feminism; it means they're prioritizing men's issues including the ones that have nothing to do with feminism, which I think is great. Looking at men's issues only through the lens of what feminism has d…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/22 02:53 AM
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You've only said that you don't hate the wider LGBT community. I only said you were biphobic, so I never said you irrationally dislike LGBT people in general.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/22 02:48 AM
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IMO sexual preferences are totally fine. But proclaiming that you will never date a person who identifies a certain way is kind of weird. Also, your example isn't comparable because sexuality generally deals with the gender identity of who you're attracted to, not who the other person is. For instance, saying you would never date a black woman is borderline racist, although it's perfectly fine to have a preference and not be attracted to black women. It's a small difference but it's there. I hop…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/01/22 07:55 PM
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Menslib believes in being a profeminist community, meaning antifeminist content is taken down. Otherwise, men's issues are prioritized. Sort of like how an LGBT sub might take down right-wing content, but be otherwise non-political and focused on LGBT issues instead of left-wing issues in general. LWMA is generally antifeminist and believes that many men's issues are because of feminism or that feminism isn't doing enough to support men. I believe that's the main difference and is also the cause…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/01/22 06:29 PM
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Biphobia occurs in both the straight and LGBT communities. You don't really get a pass on it for being gay.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/01/22 06:24 PM
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I think the article highlights a really interesting issue in that men aren't really included in the conversation about birth control and family planning. Generally, society sees that responsibility falling more on women, but men have just as much of a right to be able to engage in responsible family planning. Because of this, there are very few contraceptives out there for men; the only real options are condoms and vasectomies. While it is good to see that vasectomies are becoming easier to get …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/12/21 08:43 PM
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Menslib largely agrees with you friend, as do I.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/12/21 03:00 PM
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Most criminals are men because there are systems in place that discriminate against and exploit men to make them much more likely to be jailed and convicted. Is that a good thing to you? Do you support having systems of discrimination in place? Or do you genuinely think that men are just worse people than women and that we are more likely to be criminals or be in top positions so we can exploit people?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/21 03:35 PM
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I’m not sure exactly what you’re arguing but regardless of if you like having more men in power or not or think it’s natural or whatever, that is still technically a patriarchy. In my eyes, traditional masculinity and toxic masculinity are close to the same thing. The traditional expectations of men that many of grew up with are quite frankly toxic. It is toxic to our health and sanity to expect us to shut down emotion and to expect violence to be a normal and natural way of solving problems. It…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/21 04:15 PM
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Positive masculinity
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/21 04:09 PM
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If someone is raised to expect that violence is normal and natural to them, and they’re raised to be out of touch with their own emotions and other’s emotions, as well as low awareness for boundaries, then its more likely that they might violently violate a boundary. Note: calling that toxic masculinity does not refer to any other kind of masculinity or men in general. It’s a specific way in which some boys are raised; their parents don’t even see them as humans with normal emotions. It is not i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/21 07:33 AM
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Patriarchy: various different definitions, but I think it can be summed up by men holding more power in top and that power tending to be passed on to other men (in the US, this is seen in politics and Fortune 500 execs). If we’re going by technical definitions, it’s difficult to deny that we exist in some form of patriarchy, although it’s degrading fast. Toxic masculinity: gender expectations that are toxic for men and for people around them. For example, being expected to constantly repress emo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/21 07:27 AM
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The main argument I see against them is that they’ve been weaponized against men. That is an example of misunderstanding what the terms actually are. They’re ways of discussing problematic constructs within society, they’re not necessarily terms that apply or attack to individual people.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/21 07:05 AM
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I think this is my point though. I see no evidence of that weaponization. If someone is discussing toxic masculinity as a driver of rape, that does not apply to you, a non rapist, assuming you don’t also aid and abet a rapist. I just don’t see convincing evidence that these terms have been weaponized in the ways described. I do know very intimately that they feel hurtful until they’re better understood, however, and that can be a tough feeling to work through.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/21 07:04 AM
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This reply makes me very curious; as a left-wing sub, what are people's stances on critical race theory and the idea of institutional racism?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/21 06:19 AM
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Imo one of the biggest flaws here is that many people here don't fully understand the terms they dislike so much. Which is fine, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but at some point you just can't have a conversation if one party doesn't understand what a term means and how it's used and that gets pretty frustrating. I think once that understanding is gained, then it can be a good conversation to discuss how the term "patriarchy" helps and hinders.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/21 06:17 AM
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That study discussed false and unfounded rape allegations (two different things), this conversation is only about false rape allegations. From what I can tell the estimate of false reports is somewhere between 2-10%, which is similar to other rates. It's absolutely an issue when it happens, but we should be concerned about every time it happens, not just when the false allegation happens to be rape.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/21 11:38 PM
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That was a really interesting part of the post as well, it talked about how the majority of cases were children or people seeking medical care. Really interesting stuff that I never knew. Always love learning more.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/21 07:43 PM
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I would need a source showing that false accusations are higher than what studies have already shown them to be. Otherwise we cannot assume they’re any higher until we find that evidence.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/21 04:53 PM
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Then it sounds like we need to talk about the issues with dating apps man :) Also that’s a very pessimistic view of people. Why would you want a relationship with someone like that?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/11/21 04:05 PM
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No; I started this conversation rebutting the claim that women abhor nice guys. I have yet to see evidence for the claim that they do abhor nice guys. Saying that we shouldn't make assumptions about an entire gender without evidence is not a claim that in itself needs evidence, it's just a statement about good practices in discussion. Does that make more sense?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/11/21 01:42 AM
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I would like evidence to back up the claim that woman hate unattractive men. There is no reason to believe that women as a gender hate unattractive men without evidence to back it up. Your anecdotal experiences don’t count as evidence for the behavior of an entire gender.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/11/21 01:31 AM
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I seriously doubt all of your claims. If you can back them up that would be great. It does not line up with what seems to happen in the real world.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/11/21 11:21 PM
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Hatred is too strong of a word here. It is reasonable to assume women aren't attracted to unattractive men. That's what the word means. Anything more than that is just unsupported conjecture.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/11/21 11:13 PM
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My point was that it is simplistic to say women as a whole abhor unattractive men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/11/21 11:03 PM
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Depends on the person. Some people value emotional or intellectual attraction over physical attraction. I knew one guy a lot uglier than me who got a girl both of us were interested in because his personality was way better than mine. He was funny and talkative and intelligent and I was moody and quiet and rigid in how I interacted with people. I understand it's hard to be lonely, I was for a very long time, but I don't think it's fair to make blanket statements about what x group does or doesn'…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/11/21 10:37 PM
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Ah yes a YouTube video, the epitome is scientific evidence and discussion. Come on man. Women are people. Men are people. We all by and large want love and respect. The whole red pill idea of “female selectivity” is so tired out at this point. It only really applies to dating apps which incentivizes selecting off of aesthetics. We’re better than that in this movement ok?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/11/21 08:58 PM
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I somehow doubt that women abhor guys who are genuinely nice. Your last paragraph is definitely a bit suspect. I think this article gives us a valuable window into the fact that there are women struggling in similar situations of loneliness to men. And that maybe there is something fundamentally wrong with our society that causes us to be isolated from one another. I think capitalism and the drive to put work over family and community plays a big part in how isolated many of us are.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/11/21 08:39 PM
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The whole idea of gender roles is that women do this, men do that. Under egalitarianism, men and women are free to do what they want. Gender roles and the expectation that people follow them are antithetical to equality. Expecting women to fall back into gender roles instead of doing whatever the hell they want would be a restriction on women's rights. The same goes for men; expecting us to always be a provider and never a primary parent would be a restriction on our freedom.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/11/21 09:25 PM
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Oh my god. We were talking about traditional gender roles, which he supports. Don't be disingenuous. There are MRA's that support traditional gender roles. There's your proof.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/11/21 08:14 PM
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It’s not necessarily always played by a male though. As far as I know, 007 is not always the same person. New agents take the place. It’s perfectly feasible and reasonable that one of those agents could be a women. They’re not retconning and turning a specific man into a woman.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/11/21 03:35 PM
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There are far more male victims of rape than there are victims of false allegations. I think that’s why he was saying it’s more important.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/11/21 03:31 PM
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From here in this thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/r23jmy/the_worst_parts_of_mens_advocacy/hm4vtuu/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/11/21 03:24 PM
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I think it’s not quite as malicious as you may have taken it, and more based in ignorance. When he said the justice system favors young white men, he was partially right; the court system favors young white men over young black men, who are, even among men, the most likely demographic to be victimized and treated unjustly by the justice system. However, because women aren’t really seen as people who do crimes, he didn’t even think about how that statement is false when comparing men to women. It…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/11/21 03:18 PM
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Rights are not just another word for advantages and shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what human rights are. Rights are basic standards of how we expect to be treated and the liberties we intrinsically have as human beings. If less rights are recognized and respected for one person than another, that doesn't mean one person is advantaged; after all, they're being treated at the baseline for rights. It means the other person is likely being discriminated against and is not being allowed to …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/11/21 05:05 PM
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I think at some point you will run into issues with representation because feminism is a left-wing position. The furthest left politicians in the US are staunch feminists as well and many people believe you can't separate the two.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/11/21 04:43 AM
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It is too bad. It’s a bad model and does a lot of damage.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/11/21 12:51 AM
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I didn't realize he was talking about feminism specifically in that comment. I think you have to be subscribed to your ideology for that to be a defense of feminism. I am not subscribed to that ideology. I was just stating that there is no anti-male movement just like there's no anti-female movement.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/11/21 11:09 PM
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At no point in this comment thread did I bring up feminism or try to defend it. I don't talk about feminism here anymore, although I can't control if people decide to bring it up in reply to me.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/11/21 11:05 PM
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Hey man, you always say the same things to me no matter what I say and I don't feel like engaging with it this time around. You are of course welcome to respond to whatever you want on your own sub, but it feels weird that you reply to most of the comments that I make on this sub. I'm not looking to be in a months-long debate with you and I think that you subscribe to an ideology that I do not. That is ok. My thoughts and opinions evolve over time with what I read and see and that should be self…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/11/21 10:47 PM
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You realize that the language of VAWA is gender neutral and has been amended multiple times to cover male victims right? The Duluth Model was a mistake and it's deeply harmful to male victims, although it's not related to VAWA. However, I fail to see how the Duluth model constitutes a full-on anti-male movement, especially given that the creators of the model later realized that it was created in error.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/11/21 08:15 PM
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Lmk when the SPLC labels them that way. In the meantime, hyperbole isn't our friend.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/11/21 05:51 PM
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The idea of an anti-male movement is such a laughable straw man. People supporting women's rights does not equate to men losing rights. Gender equality is not zero-sum; women gaining rights doesn't mean men are losing them and vice versa.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/11/21 04:51 PM
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The left wing seeks workers rights which are men’s rights. The right wing would love to be able to furnish private prisons with even more male slaves. The two sides are not the same.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/11/21 03:49 PM
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If you have an issue with all feminist politicians you can’t really support any left wing politicians in most places. Which is weird to me if you’re in a left wing sub.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/11/21 03:22 PM
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This right here would be an example of unproductive identity politics
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/11/21 03:06 PM
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Only the ones that believe those things, such as redpillers. I don't want any association with them either. I think you're reading through a lens of wanting to be discriminated against by her when you're not. It takes some creative reading to think you're being attacked by this article.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/11/21 12:43 AM
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"...who think all feminists hate men, who think sexual-assault survivors deserved what happened to them, who contribute to a culture of misogyny and violence." Anyone who thinks that way is a nutjob, yes. You're the only one assuming that all MRAs are those nutjobs.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/11/21 12:21 AM
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"Some were even men’s rights groups who interpreted my piece as an acknowledgment of how the deck was stacked against men" You should know that the idea of the deck being stacked against men is a controversial take. Most people don't agree with it. You and others can definitely hold the opinion and that's fine, but I don't blame her for disagreeing. "But a second group responded to the piece as well, and they were not at all whom I was speaking to, or for, or about: groups whose efforts focused …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/11/21 10:59 PM
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Not aligning with fringe extremist groups is a very reasonable position to have, and obviously, she never said all men's rights groups are like that. The sort of people who do think those things are not the sort of people to be allied with. FACE was a legitimate group with legitimate concerns, so even though she didn't originally share their position, she was perfectly fine with interacting with them because of that. That feels pretty fair to me.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/11/21 10:06 PM
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Gotcha, that makes more sense. Thanks for the clarification!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/11/21 06:01 PM
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Why don't you believe a woman could willingly write this article?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/11/21 05:52 PM
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The idea is sound and what you're hitting at is absolutely true. The issues that men and women face are inevitably intertwined. Facing them as a united front is the best bet to making steady progress into the future.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/11/21 05:40 PM
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I will say that a reset of a week or longer can do wonders for pleasure and sensation. Can be nice to try every once in a while. As for NNN, I’ve always been under the impression that’s it’s more like a joke with some folks using it to experiment a bit. Could be wrong though.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/11/21 03:44 AM
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I feel like that is very simplified. All I stated was that there is evidence that property was passed down patrilineally. Noting that that is a type of patriarchal tradition in the technical sense is not an attack on their society, and stating that the only reason that property was passed along that way is that men were expected to take care of their family completely washes away historical context in favor of assuming that their society worked like our own. There is plenty of evidence suggestin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/11/21 01:08 AM
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An important note that I've noticed reading over these codes is that property is passed down from father to son, with the mother being an interim property holder if the father died. This is, in technical terms, a form of patriarchal tradition (because the property is passed along patrilineally, not matrilineally). However, the rest of the claims she made about women and children legally being seen as property are obviously false and exaggerated, and you are correct that women could own property.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/11/21 10:01 PM
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I'm sorry man but I think you're catastrophizing too much. I think it would be smart to wait on bringing a child into the world if you feel like it's going to be a horrible thing for them. They will pick up on your attitudes
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/11/21 05:04 AM
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So...you're going to restrict what he does because he's a boy? That seems like the opposite of the fair treatment we should expect of boys and girls.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/11/21 04:52 PM
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What makes you say she contributed to sex-based discrimination? All I know about her is that she helped make abortion legal and helped overturn gender discriminatory practices ie. striking down all-male admissions policies.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/11/21 12:01 AM
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That’s true, I didn’t consider that
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/11/21 03:39 PM
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It’s not the same study, it was published after 2009. But it has similar findings Edit: I was wrong, it was published in 2007. However, I searched for phrases that the blog post quoted and they aren’t in this article so I don’t think it’s the same as the study in the blog post.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/11/21 05:50 AM
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Do you have any source for the original study? I don't think it's linked in either article and I would like to read the original material. Edit: this is the closest I can find so far: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1858633/ I would suggest reading this instead of the article, since the article does not source a study and I can't find the specific study that the article was written about. If anyone finds that study instead, definitely let me know! It's disappointing that the article…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/11/21 03:49 AM
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You said at the beginning of your post that there were many such “leftover” women in Japan; potentially a whole generation of them. How come you say that, and then say here that you don’t believe they exist?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/11/21 12:56 AM
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*14% and 19%
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/11/21 03:36 AM
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Again, gender equality implies that everyone has an equal shot at being elected and that attitudes towards candidates would not be different based on gender. If we as egalitarians can shift cultures and attitudes, we would see a lot more of an even split at the ballot box. This is also the goal of feminism since their stated goal is gender equality. So: feminism arguably seeks to see an even split of men and women in power by seeking to change our cultural attitudes and views towards men and wom…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/11/21 01:16 AM
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Can we talk about crazy MRAs then as well? Or is that still off the table. I would really need to see a source for 40%. I know a lot of feminists and I've literally never heard of this before. I'm not gonna take a small minority of people seriously and I'm not going to go purposefully searching for shit to feel hurt about
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/11/21 12:52 AM
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I’m beginning to think you didn’t even read my comment. I think if we’re gonna have a constructive conversation you should make sure you read it and understand what I’m saying, since I specifically addressed that
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/11/21 12:43 AM
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Because some people will make dumb claims. One feminist advocating for a quota doesn’t make the entire movement magically anti democratic. Hell, some MRAs suggest that women shouldn’t even be able to vote but I highly doubt anyone here would call MRAs anti democratic just because some have stupid ideas. Maybe we should just ignore the crazies and focus on actual constructive dialogue instead of doing everything we can to find shit to sling as if it’s some sort of televised political debate.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/11/21 12:41 AM
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I did in my comment. It’s not based on reality at all. It just gives me the impression that he wants a reason to bash feminists for and is ignoring the myriads of things that he could legitimately criticize if he thought a bit harder. Like come on, this is a sub for male issues, not made up nonsense. It’s ridiculous
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/11/21 12:37 AM
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Yeah, if anything, feminism has advanced democracy considerably by fighting for women's right to vote. The more people who are able to take advantage of their right to vote, the more democratic your system is.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/11/21 12:13 AM
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This is a hilarious take. The end goal of feminism is to shift cultures and attitudes. A culture that is shifted towards gender equality would in theory elect roughly similar amounts of people. Feminists (and egalitarians like ourselves) can accomplish gender equality simply through cultural shifts in how we view men and women, which would also be reflected at the ballot box. There is no need for feminists to stand in the way of democracy, and there is zero precedent for them doing so. There are…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/21 10:36 PM
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This is my honest perspective and I’m pretty sure many here will disagree with me. I’m not much older than you and I felt the same way as you when I was 18. I was 15 or 16 when #metoo rolled around. But I honestly never heard that attraction was bad from any women. I heard it from men who seemed to be angry and lashing back at #metoo by suggesting that because women were coming out about sexual assault, it must mean that male sexuality was being criminalized and shamed. In hindsight that speaks …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/21 03:25 PM
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I’ll be honest that this post made me laugh a little bit. I think the vast majority of people know that having sexual attraction is totally fine and normal. Hell, I used to think like you and I hid my sexual attraction from everyone as a result. The people who reinforced that for me were other men telling me this exact thing without any real grounds to believe it. What ended up happening is I reinforced a cycle of shame about my sexuality without any sort of outside reinforcement from women. Onc…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/21 03:02 PM
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It sounds like your writing was unclear then. The first few paragraphs about the word “trap” aren’t necessary and serve to distract from the point you’re actually making here, which seems to be that there currently is no accepted way to be a feminine man and how that’s problematic. Is that accurate?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/11/21 04:51 PM
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While the origin of "trap" is innocuous and never referred to transgender women, it's become notorious for being a slur used against transgender women regardless. I recognize that I am incurring Godwin's law here, but a very easy analogy is the swastika. The origin of the swastika is innocuous in nature and its original meaning was not problematic. It became a problematic symbol after it was coopted by nazis and used as a symbol of hatred. I don't think that subs trying to crack down on a word t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/11/21 04:12 PM
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Good faith criticism and discussion about the methods and ideas within feminism. It’s obviously problematic if you’re criticizing the underlying goal of gender equality, because at the end of the day that’s what we’re all striving for here. One example of a good faith criticism is how feminism used to be overwhelmingly white and privileged. Criticism and discussion of that led to intersectional feminism which incorporated a much larger body of voices, such as black women, queer women, and men (b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/11/21 05:06 AM
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I’m not sure what you mean by factually incorrect. The entire idea of oppression is nuanced and subjective. It’s in bad faith to claim to have facts on your side and ignore everything that isn’t what you agree with when the nature of the debate isn’t even about facts to begin with.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/11/21 05:13 PM
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I don’t think anyone has made the claim that peasant men weren’t also oppressed. The sort of oppression feminists talk about is subordination of the common woman to the common man, which is gender based oppression. The oppression everyone faced in historical societies can be oppression without being gender based oppression. Hell, men could be oppressed by the state in the basis of gender and still require subordination by the women around them. It’s not as cut and dry as you make it seem.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/11/21 05:02 PM
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I pretty much fully agree with this comment and I hope others can see it as well.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/11/21 08:53 PM
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Yeah, I hear and understand how that would be unpleasant. I think the post you mentioned highlights the difference between their approach and here. They approach men's issues from the point of view of being privileged. One can be privileged and still have unique issues. As a white person who was raised in a well-off family, I'm pretty used to the discomfort that occurs when you confront privilege and also the issues that come with it, so that sort of discussion in menslib doesn't bother me as mu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/11/21 04:35 PM
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Yes, I have, and I suppose I'm not going to get anywhere having a discussion about what is essentially the sub's mission statement. I agree that criticism of feminism is warranted and necessary. I guess I am just disappointed because I feel like there's so much more potential for a sub like this to discuss men's issues from outside of a feminist perspective, but that it's limited by feminism being an ever-present boogeyman.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/11/21 04:18 PM
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That feels like a very big stretch to me and it says a lot about how much misandry is actually out there if we have to stretch that far to find anything
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/11/21 04:04 PM
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I don’t think it’s misandry to say that women have been oppressed in history same as it isn’t anti white racism to say that black people have been oppressed in our history. You can contest it, sure, but calling it misandry is frankly ludicrous. If that’s the misandry that you think is inherent to the feminist movement then I feel like this might be more of an emotional issue for you. Which is totally ok but it does not resonate with me. I agree that radical feminists are generally misandrist. Ho…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/11/21 03:50 PM
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They would say the same for MRAs though. I’m not sure how to make this make sense, but all the things you guys say they do to you, you do to them as well. And that makes it difficult to see through the shit slinging.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/11/21 03:26 PM
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The mainstream understanding of MRAs is that they’re an offshoot of the broader men’s liberation movement that went the route of pursuing a backlash to feminism. The original men’s movement was not a feminist backlash; it was much closer to what we see in menslib, as well as a smaller branch called the mythopoetic men’s movement (which I think had some very interesting theories but was ultimately too gender essentialist and hand wavy to be very useful). However, I understand that this sub uses a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/11/21 02:56 PM
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Thanks for sharing!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/11/21 02:51 PM
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Again, some feminists won’t be ok with male advocacy just like some MRAs won’t be ok with female advocacy. If those crazy MRAs don’t represent the whole movement, you really can’t say those feminists represent feminism as well. It’s a troubling double standard I see quite a bit. Distance ourselves from our crazies, but their crazies are representative of their movement.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/11/21 02:50 PM
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I have read the criticisms, and they have boiled down to issues with moderation. That’s totally valid; how a place is moderated isn’t for everyone and some stuff they do seems pretty crazy. I agree with and support those criticisms, but not the other characterizations that the only people who post there must either hate themselves or be women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/11/21 02:47 PM
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Absolutely! They may have created the starting template but it’s not always gonna go the whole way for men. We have our unique issues and it’s good to put work into finding solutions for them. At the end of the day, it’s men who are affected by men’s issues, so men’s experiences should be centered in that discussion. I think from both ends there are going to be people not ok with the other movement. Some feminists won’t like men’s advocacy and some MRAs won’t like feminism. I think the general i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/11/21 06:16 AM
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It definitely doesn’t represent all male advocacy, but I think it does a good job of representing a form of male advocacy that is feminist allied. I recognize this is personal opinion, but that sort of advocacy aligns closest with my own values. I have no beef with feminists and no interest in getting in their way; after all, I highly support women’s rights and I appreciate that there’s a movement for them. In fact, I think a lot of the language and concepts we use in male advocacy were original…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/11/21 05:49 AM
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I find it confusing that people here seem to think that everyone over in menslib are woke, self-hating men, or else they must be women. But when I look at the recent hot posts, they seem to be discussing Dave Chappelle, shedding light on myths about male rape that silence male victims, and talking about how strict gender roles impact those of us who are asexual. Does finding those discussions interesting make me a self-hater? Are normal, self-respecting men not capable of having those discussion…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/11/21 02:26 AM
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Both of these are from 2021. Unless I'm mistaken, we're still in 2021 so this doesn't provide evidence of a years-long campaign. One recommendation is from a single feminist organization (not all of feminism, a single organization.) The other article speaks about female politicians in general, not feminists. Don't say things you can't back up.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/11/21 12:25 AM
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Source for your last sentence?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/11/21 12:10 AM
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From what I can tell that only happens in India and nowhere else. Just because it happens there does not mean it's bound to happen elsewhere. It is a slippery slope to suggest that a protest about drink spiking in the UK would turn into no stag entry rules.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/10/21 03:53 PM
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Do you need a sled for that slippery slope?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/10/21 03:39 PM
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I’m not sure how you could spin putting a lid over served drinks and teaching staff to recognize and stop spiking attempts as discriminating against men. Are you suggesting it’s only men who are spiking drinks?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/10/21 03:07 PM
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Uni students are probably the demographic most likely to go partying and get spiked
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/10/21 02:38 PM
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I think most of them are older than one year old
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/10/21 05:24 AM
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That’s weird, I’ve had no problems with it. I don’t think the sub is there to exist as a spot to criticize feminism. That’s not the purpose. If that’s what you’re there for it’ll disappoint you. Criticism of feminism can be relevant there but honestly in most discussions feminism doesn’t come up at all. After all many of the posts are discussing men’s issues, not feminism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/10/21 03:56 PM
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And they have a lot of anecdotes and first hand experience with this place. Anecdotes mean very little. They come from the framing of what the person who experienced it wants to believe.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/10/21 03:53 PM
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We can both sit here and tell each other “that’s not true” all day. Just go read their rules and follow them and you’ll be fine. If you don’t like their rules don’t participate. Simple as that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/10/21 03:31 PM
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Would you want a feminist believing a random story about this place? All I’m saying is it would be good to know what the comment said. It’s ok if you don’t have it anymore and it’s sucks that happened to you.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/10/21 03:01 PM
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I have zero context for that my dude. I’m sorry that happened to you but I’d really need to see what happened since it’s so strongly at odds with how the moderation works there. People shouldn’t believe crazy things they hear about this place and I’ll do menslib the same favor.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/10/21 02:51 PM
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I’d try staying a little more civil then? There is no problem with criticizing feminism there. The only stuff that’ll get your comment deleted is outright bashing, especially for no reason, and/or arguing about semantics. I was reading a comment critical of feminists on one of their top posts the other day that was constructive and interesting. If you bring more to the table beyond “feminism bad” you’ll have no issue whatsoever.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/10/21 02:50 PM
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If you stay civil and in good faith you will have no problem over there. I haven’t so far :)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/10/21 02:35 PM
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I find I'm a lot less likely to get downvoted for having a different opinion and instead have a constructive conversation in menslib, so I appreciate that alone. I also find the articles posted to be very interesting and I appreciate that there are a balance of perspectives, including some feminists and some not. It leads to interesting discussions that I personally think are high quality even if I don't agree with everything that's said.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/10/21 04:44 AM
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I don't see much evidence for that. Marxist feminism is just the intersection of feminism and Marxism. It's pretty generally accepted that men and women have done different types of labor in recent history. Marxism has focused on labor that is generally more male dominated (since it arose when most workers were male), feminist Marxism has done the same but with a focus on the types of labor that women have historically done. They are complementary. I understand that there are criticisms of femin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/10/21 10:41 PM
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Because some feminist ideologies advocate for Marxism. I don’t see any evidence to suggest that the links op suggested are true, I would really appreciate it if he could provide some sources to back it up. I don’t really believe general speculation as a rule, but it’s definitely intriguing to think about.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/10/21 04:52 PM
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I don't personally see any link between feminism and a decline in Marxist ideas; if anything, there is a push from at least one part of feminism to embrace more Marxist ideas and philosophies in the form of Marxist feminism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxist\_feminism
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/10/21 04:21 PM
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Thanks for being consistent and removing his as well. I appreciate the moderation here. Not sarcasm.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/10/21 11:45 PM
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Sexist? Eh maybe, I don't have an opinion on that. Socialist? Not really. Factual? Decently so. https://adfontesmedia.com/ I find most guardian articles to be intriguing at the very least but to each their own.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/10/21 10:09 PM
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It is absolutely misogyny to keep women as property, or at the very least it’s a form of patriarchy. The Bible was born from that so elements of that will be in there
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/10/21 02:45 AM
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I mean if he lives there and does many of the household chores wouldn't he know as well or better where things should go than her?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/10/21 09:53 PM
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This is textbook bias. Appeals to emotion through an incendiary claim without any sort of evidence. I'd love to get a neutral source on this one if it exists though! Emphasis on neutral.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/10/21 12:54 AM
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TERFs are insane. What are you doing on this subreddit if you agree with what they say? I read a very interesting thread asking feminists what they learned about men’s issues. The vast majority said they knew about those issues and cared about them because they had been educated on them through feminism, but that it was super good to read the lived experiences of men and to have that understanding. The remaining few said that they hadn’t been aware of men’s issues and that they learned a lot.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/10/21 12:38 AM
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If both groups had equally the same problem I wouldn’t like either. However, from my experience, that is not the case. There is a fringe movement of feminism that has a misandry problem. That’s not ok, but most of the movement disassociates from the fringe and it’s not a part of the mainstream movement. However, MRAs seem to actively embrace the misogyny that occurs in their community. I cannot support a movement that embraces that. I would rather be egalitarian and right now feminism is much cl…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/10/21 11:34 PM
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Yeah it is an internet thing. Every feminist I’ve personally talked to is invested in men’s issues. After all, gender issues are completely intertwined. I don’t relate to the shit that people say about feminists online because so much of it seems biased and untrue, and it makes it hard to trust those people’s motives when they’re bashing the same people who have been most supportive of men’s issues in my life.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/10/21 09:13 PM
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I personally don't like MRAs because I am pro-feminist and an advocate for men's issues and most MRAs I've talked to are anti-feminist. I believe that rivalry is detrimental and I am more than happy to call out feminists who try to start that sort of rivalry against men's movements as well. So in general, I will not agree with MRA's that seem to believe there is some sort of inherent rivalry between feminism and male advocacy, because aside from some crazy fringes of both movements, there is no …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/10/21 08:49 PM
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Women do face sexism. It’s a real thing. It does not undermine men to recognize when that happens.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/10/21 03:36 PM
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I'm literally standing in front of you with a first-hand account of it happening. If that's not good enough, here's another account: https://np.reddit.com/r/HuntShowdown/comments/pxa1jt/all\_i\_did\_was\_say\_hi/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3 Putting women on a pedestal isn't great either. Neither thing should be happening at all. As men, we absolutely do have out issues, but that doesn't mean we should be denying that women also have some issues. Hell, if a woman tried to deny m…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/10/21 01:39 AM
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Yeah that makes sense, it is a nice sentiment for sure! I appreciate it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/10/21 01:35 AM
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Yeah, it’s not an uncommon experience. I know this is a space to advocate for men, but I get uncomfortable when it feels like people are trying to deny the issues that women do face. Like, can’t we recognize that both genders have some unique gendered issues? That’s not too hard to do right?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/10/21 01:09 AM
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Everyone gets insulted. I’ve never had the shit taken out of me for just being a man on a video game. Although if I get told to stop ruining the game for everyone else and to go back to the garage where I belong I’ll let you know.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/10/21 01:06 AM
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The fact that it ever happens at all is a problem. I've never faced any sort of gendered remarks or hatred in gaming and I haven't heard of or met a guy that has. The fact that my girlfriend has had to deal with it is unacceptable in my eyes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/10/21 01:01 AM
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My girlfriend has had to deal with some shit when we play together. I wouldn't rule out the fact that it happens just because you haven't seen it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/10/21 12:31 AM
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Tbf, that comment is suggesting she get rid of him. If she’s unhappy with how he picks up girls, odds are she got picked up that way and if she doesn’t like being thought of that way (and honestly who would? It’s gross to be generalized) then she should absolutely leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 02:32 PM
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Yeah that makes a lot of sense, I think that’s an important goal.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/09/21 11:02 PM
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Understood, thanks for letting me know. I will make sure to discuss it in that way as well.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/09/21 10:15 PM
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Thanks!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/09/21 03:52 AM
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I appreciate hearing that. I understand it's an internal discussion so disregard if necessary, but I'd be very curious to hear how it goes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/21 04:31 PM
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I understand how this sub defines incels but unfortunately, that’s not the broad definition. I really wish it was. In general, definitions on the internet are like this or similar: “a member of an online community of young men who consider themselves unable to attract women sexually, typically associated with views that are hostile toward women and men who are sexually active.” (Taken from Oxford Languages). In other words, one has to self identify that way to be an incel. I was involuntarily wi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/21 03:44 PM
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Talking about men being denied friendship and community makes it sound like something everyone else is doing when it’s not. Everyone is just existing. No one is trying to stop men from having friendship and community. Want more men to have that? Teach them how to be social and communicative as kids, just like we teach that to girls. You’re assuming incel groups arise out of a simple lack of sex. In fact, the first “incel” was a girl who coined the term. But by modern standards she would not be a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/21 03:16 PM
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But this is comparing a drive (desire for sex) with a need (need to eat). Needs relate to personal survival; drives relate to evolutionary impulses present in many (not all) people. For instance, many people have a drive to have a community around them; this was evolutionarily advantageous, but in our current world, it isn't a survival need. The same goes for sex. davou is correct that no one is entitled to sex (or friendship or community, for that matter). I don't have to have sex with a woman …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/21 04:17 PM
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I have a genuine question from a statistics standpoint: if they had instead used each shipwreck as the unit of analysis and then had listed the percentage of women and men that survived as variables, would the study still have the same issues? Because from my limited understanding, if you did that and found that women were less likely to survive, you could probably make an argument that women are less likely to survive a shipwreck (but you couldn’t point to a cause). Is that accurate?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/21 07:13 AM
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