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That's fine. I'm also a fan of Eugenics! Hi-fiver
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 02:04 PM
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this is a really good list of things! In your mind, what has to change? If any
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 01:11 PM
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unless women are willing to give some ground I think they won't, which changes the rules of the whole thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 01:07 PM
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u/toddfan420 is asking (correct me if I’m wrong) women to think - critically - about where men should source their info from. Yea. I was trying to be really open to learning and maybe helping other guys here. I was a little surprised that some people got snarky about an honest question, but it's the internet
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 02:22 AM
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ok I see
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 02:19 AM
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I'll wait for your rebuttal
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 08:17 PM
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We unknowingly do many things in America that you would think only a deeply religious jewish person would do. We pay increased food costs so it can all be Kosher. We get circumcised which is now known to have no medical benefit. Oh except our insurance gives the doctor a quick hit of cash every time! last I heard it was $300. Could be more now. Insurance will pay whatever amount.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 08:16 PM
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i see thousands of them marching in to save us with their brains
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 08:11 PM
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by greatly weakening them?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 08:09 PM
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but benefits them if they take care of a child and are rarely seen as creeps. I'm having trouble understanding this, could you explain it more?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 08:09 PM
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I'm looking at the dads out there who dropped the ball as well. Women have way too much power in raising boys
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 08:05 PM
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wouldn't patriarchy imply a system that benefits men?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 04:55 PM
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Yes I think parenting should be a much bigger target here in general
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 04:54 PM
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That resonates
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 04:52 PM
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We all have to aimlessly walk through life trying to figure it out. IDK, I think a couple generations of parents may have completely dropped the ball in molding their kids at all
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 04:51 PM
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At least feed them good food. I think it has a slight effect. Maybe exercise for their posture as well. I wonder how many visual inches men lose from slouching.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 04:47 PM
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And I've pointed out that those swiss watch guys deserve to pass on their genes. Was called a nazi of course. But if our liberal society is going to select disgenically, then I see no reason to continue it. It's a failure. We need swiss watch man to design us a better one honestly
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 04:46 PM
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I think it's because we mutilate male genitals at birth for no readily apparent reason. They say it doesn't hurt them
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 04:40 PM
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I'm not asking women to teach men anything here. I'm asking where women think men should have learned this stuff in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 04:34 PM
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So you mimic others who seem popular/what people get rewarded for doing and figure out what works for you. But apparently a lot of boys don't go this route and actually retreat away. Why do you think that is?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 03:46 PM
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Because men were generally catered their young lives by their moms, who took care of their food, living space, clothes, while girls learned all the "women duties" ugh, which is in fact knowledge any adult should know. One could see this as moms actually withholding important knowledge from boys. Why would they do that? If it came from a place of worshiping men, then these moms ironically did a great job at destroying their future men, it seems to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 03:44 PM
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OK then that begs the question: why do women do the right thing and men not? What went wrong in mens' development?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 03:25 PM
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Not pointing at you, but it's sad that people who would probably have a lot of good things to teach a child are choosing not to have kids
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 03:05 PM
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This is the equivalent: If the man meets up and finds that her appearance doesn't measure up to the pics online, he then has the option to try and bang her anyway and then even start dating her to get some sex for a while. It's a really shitty behavior and a result of hookup culture. It's not just one feature usually, but like the whole gestalt of her face and body. The whole 10-scale thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/20 07:38 PM
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isn't your strategy rather indirect? it relies on setting up a situation that you assume will turn out in your favor when all the chips fall. but public choice theory proves this wrong. nobody gives up power. it is taken
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/20 03:11 PM
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like what? genuinely curious
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/20 03:26 PM
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a human right is whatever society decides it is. they can change. i think men and women have a right to secure the existence of their people. if thats not happening, we need to scrap the system because its a failure
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/20 03:26 PM
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kids movies shape us in these insidious ways we are all complaining about
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/20 03:24 PM
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for women
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/20 03:24 PM
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no such thing as equality. i mean you can try to remake the world with the belief that equality is real, but you end up having to craft all new humans to make it work. its not working. women are complimentary to men. men build society outward and create the structure. women keep the base solid from the inside. each role equally important. this is not oppression. it's both sexes doing what they are made to do. at least from a western perspective. why would i give agency to someone in matters outs…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/20 03:23 PM
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someone gave women this societal power. we men let it happen. now we have to level up and take it back
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/20 02:48 PM
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i think there's probably some chick flicks where the girl comes to realize that uber chad is just a meanie and she wants normal guy in the end. don't ask me to name them right now but i seem to remember something like that edit: frozen came to mind by that's only cus i haven't seen a chick flick in a long time
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/20 01:55 PM
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most women don't need to become self aware about their role in this system that seemingly benefits them. they just have no clue. and these internet women are simply a league of their own. a woman living on the internet is far from normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/20 01:51 PM
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in fact a lot of those movies were made by an outsider tribe who viewed their plight in the west as that of the nerd who steals the girl from the dumb jock in the end
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/20 01:46 PM
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that's so interesting. not being sarcastic. is this something a lot of people think or just your personal thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/20 01:16 PM
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i hate it. because it seems like we could be discussing how to make things right again, but it just ended up being women like.. "hm we kinda like system if only there were more guys in the pool to play around with" and on the other side you have straight up crying men and men grifting those men and further ruining women by pumping dumping
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/20 05:42 PM
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honestly I couldn't even stomach to read it all. it just reminded me of some thoughts i've been having so i went for it. i'm bad at reddit ha. if it was a guy, he is not acting in the interest of guys or western society. if he's truly not an enemy, he needs to get off the internet and level up
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/20 03:29 PM
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post after post attempting to psychoanalyze and deconstruct "men." it's sickening. it's clear there is a ton of resentment toward men. and also an agenda to tear them down in the name of so called leveling the field. but i think it's fed to us by people with a much more insidious hate. women need to get over these narratives and accept men, general average men, with all their weirdnesses, as their natural counterparts and return to them. obligatory yes men need improvement too. guys just max-lev…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/20 01:55 PM
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anybody can treat a corona patient tho. the real front lines would be the scientist that create the cure, if any. the idea that "the CURRENTLY strained industries under this outbreak are somehow the secret prime movers in society" is just illogical. it's a feelgood meme going around right now. do you consider a person who makes toilet paper a prime mover, really?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/20 08:12 PM
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Ok what I mean is they don't prefer it but that doesn't stop them when the baldy has some other quality that out weighs it
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/20 01:05 PM
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women want all kinds of things. "no old and balding" is not some kind of hard standard women maintain by any stretch lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 07:11 PM
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well he's used as an example to show normal men what's bad so.. for an established non celeb man, the dynamic is still there
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 06:49 PM
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they kind of are. thats what this whole thread is about. it really doesn't matter how fat and bald leo dicaprio becomes, does it?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 06:38 PM
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well i don't lump in the practices of primitive cultures and shit people from around the world. my people are western and we had a standard that was developing and it was working.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 06:37 PM
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What you're missing is you look at the state of modern sexuality and you go "this is how men and women are." it's not. we had a system of normative virtue that was completely thrown away in the sexolution. that's where your creeps and pedos came from. it's primal maleness, yes, but not WESTERN maleness. do we magically stop at 18 when we are virtuous, YES WE DO. because that's the law we developed and we respect that for the good of our people, and because it's quite logical. this is in line wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 06:34 PM
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nice so all men are pedos and we have to shame them into bailing out older women to keep these men from ultimately becoming kid-rape machines your personal experience does not define the entire world or what society could/should be. i fucking hate the system that allowed men to creep on you, and yet you sit here wanting to preserve it
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 06:15 PM
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The downvote ratio here is really undeserving. OP is onto something. Hookup culture needs to die. This is simply going to take LEADERSHIP from smart men. LTR aka MARRIAGE-MEN are the future. For now, it will seem like a disadvantage because we are trying to play chad's game. YES, the feminist system is set up so only chad wins. We are going to BRING DOWN that system because it does not work for US, the builders and keepers of OUR society. That's right. It's OURS and we will fix the rot that has …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 03:44 PM
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yes i've seen them actually choose forever alone because they can't have daddy warbucks. ok then
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 02:30 PM
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who you want to pass on their genes literally doesn't matter. the last group of people who thought they knew who's genes should be passed on murdered millions of jews among other groups now i know I've hit the truth because the nazi comparison came out. how about this: who I want to pass on their genes absolutely matters. As an heir of the west, it's my responsibility to preserve it and guide it. I may not get my way, but at least I tried. Are you a nazi if you want to stop Idiocracy from happen…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 07:33 PM
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because you know i'm right
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 06:43 PM
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A lot of good points here, it seems like you are leaving out a large aspect of 'who has the drugs' which is often a function of rich/criminal parents. From personal observation, the guys that are holding get an awful lot of sex. Gangsta types are some of the most sexually idolized in America at least, so you have status. Plus you wanna get smoked our 'for free,' or have a nice dealer when he's already got enough clients. My own above point included with yours, I can't argue that the stuff you sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 05:55 PM
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maybe most businesses are not sitting there with quotas but a calculation will be made if a woman decides to call you out for not hiring her. the thing about the dependent is.. the economy and our lifestyles would have to adjust. people only need a duel income because women went to work and stayed. thanks to the progressive forces of the 20th century, a typical business pays it's employees half as much since the pool of labor is doubled. the problem is worsened by letting in unlimited immigrants…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/20 12:44 PM
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FDS will have no effect, because women didn't take this power in society by their own self-determination, nor will they keep it that way. Some women are rational enough to follow the FDS and good on them. But most will go with the flow of society. Get rid of non-discrimination laws (quotas) and see how many women choose to work, first off get rid of welfare for women who pop out babies and see how important husbands become again. we can keep coming up with these
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/20 08:01 PM
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What you are describing here is consistent with an anger phase tho isn't it? If you were in a state of mind to laugh it off you wouldn't be in an anger phase. Of course a person in such a phase would prefer the little lies still. That said, the real anger for me came when I realized that the way for getting along with women was inconsistent with treating women as rational actors, which is what we are supposed to do. The changes I had to make in dealing with women shit-testing me were extremely d…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/20 04:00 PM
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Tbh sex is by far the most important thing for me in a relationship ok this is becoming a meme now. can we get an image macro?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/20 01:27 PM
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why don't you head over to starbucks and pick up some hotties?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/20 08:56 PM
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It's true, I'm pretty amazing!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/20 08:35 PM
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glad we are all here talking
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/20 08:22 PM
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What I would question is how it may be brought back to life. The thing is, genuine attraction cannot be negotiated. In most situations, whether by there own deductions or with the help of a therapist, the common orientation is to say that the woman is not happy and that by the man doing more things for her (such as doing acts around the house), that she would be more inclined to be intimate with him. That is not genuine, but, it is the unfortunate track than far too many relationship negations t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/20 07:52 PM
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nice walkback
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/20 07:42 PM
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without sex in a relationship, what benefits, real benefits can a man derive? OK but if the sex is at zero and staying there with no sign otherwise, you have to look at why. it's a fixable issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/20 07:08 PM
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master_boot_record_X: Id get your T-Level checked out Bruh. you are insecure
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/20 07:02 PM
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have you tried manic pixie dream girls?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/20 06:59 PM
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yea man just coom and consoom. v redpilled
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/20 06:57 PM
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http://www.heretical.com/wilson/ddesire.html this is really great
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/20 06:52 PM
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guys who have these demands for sex are suffering from a propaganda campaign that came at us hard in since the 70s at least. the idea of a "sex life." dead bedrooms. sexually regressed women. withholding. it's all part of a big mess of lies that men were tricked into. here's a red pill that red pillers hate: sex is for making babies. oof! anything beyond that is something extra, and should be treated accordingly. if we are so into biological realities, we should respect this one too: the woman h…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/20 05:01 PM
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There's a massive grift going on in the manosphere. TRP reddit are gatekeeping of manhood to vulnerable guys, and they do it for personal benefit. It can resemble a cult or pyramid scheme. (See linked post in OP) Their recommendations end up herding into a position that frees us women for them in the dating pool and/or gets you buying their self-help stuff, supplements, etc. They sprinkle truth out there for you, but they don't care about any big picture stuff. They want to bang as much as they …
/r/ExRedPill05/03/20 09:01 PM
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yes but there are lies and omissions embedded in this narrative. there is a view that women were sex/house-slaves and this was finally ended by feminism. but a lot of the writing and propaganda that came out to push that on the public is able to be viewed today as an insidious undermining and corrosive deconstruction of a society they desperately wanted to destroy/control. the truth is women were happy to be home with their children while the man went out and dealt with the bullshit of the world…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 04:54 PM
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well my wording was a little bad. i didn't mean to imply they did. but what's plain is that women as a whole enjoy enormous power over men in when they set the price of sex, and willing women aren't allowed to break that monopoly
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 01:24 PM
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i get that. that's fine. forcing yourself on someone is rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 01:14 PM
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oh my lord no. do you consider laying down for 2 minutes for the benefit of your loving husband rape?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 08:55 PM
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the prevalence of whorehouses well... they outlawed that in america, the epicenter of the revolution, so how can we know if anythings been solved? It's almost like they outlawed it so we couldn't have that outlet that was keeping a power balance between men and women, forcing us to go along with the revolution. marital rape you mean wives giving some duty sex to help their husbands out who are about to blow? It's fine! Again the provocateurs of the sexolution convinced women this was bad. Taking…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 07:47 PM
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nice cartoon view of history! do you have any evidence for unhealthy/frustrated sex lives before the sexual revolution? are you one of these manhores going around ruining women? maybe a watch-the-world-burn type boomer spirit?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 06:48 PM
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The absolute state of men is a big ass problem. This particular facet strongly smells of permissive/lack-of parenting. Boys (often from broken homes in America at least) have this tendency to drift towards pure coomerism. They want to live like a baby forever, enjoying the comforts of a warm home, with games, junk food, and a mom figure to do chores. The parenting needs to be deliberate, structured, healthy, or even just present! The collapse of parenting is a bit of a crisis. Kids are being rai…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 06:43 PM
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women are selecting for sociopaths
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 06:33 PM
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i would direct the anger at those responsible for the sexual revolution. they are still around, and still fucking us up
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 06:23 PM
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i've seen it work just fine with a weird face. the body just has to be BIG and the confidence just enough. nothing crazy. i'll be that guy and also say that as the body grows massive, it's not even expect the face need to be pretty. you will get girls who act like they don't like the huge muscles. but many of them will melt at your touch. get big. use your rage to pump more often. fuck it
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 04:51 PM
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Looking through the videos by popularity, it looks like an ocean of content pointing out the hypocrisy of modern women. that's great. but what strikes me is.. why not have just as many videos advising men on what to do with themselves? now that we know the truth, i see a lot of men falling into a life of consumption and self-pleasure in the name of going their own way. 'men going the way of the dodo' is a more accurate term for this. MGTWOD
/r/MGTOW202/03/20 03:48 PM
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ok good points
/r/MGTOW228/02/20 07:12 PM
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a wrinkled, moneyed man is a cowboy, can pull 10s a wrinkled, moneyed woman is a cougar, is bottom feeder
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 06:55 PM
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you sit in a circle and talk about feelings? petersonpilled
/r/MGTOW228/02/20 04:27 PM
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sad!
/r/MGTOW227/02/20 02:47 PM
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lonely
/r/MGTOW226/02/20 09:00 PM
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yes and they did the same thing with sex! the result is not some clear monopoly. it's more complex. but the effects on the people are plain. and so are the people getting rich selling vice. and the people benefiting from western people having a dysfunctional sexuality
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 02:09 PM
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a person who has a strong pleasure-seeking habit may describe a pleasure, such as eating ice cream, as a need, but we rationally know it's not.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 02:07 PM
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sure they've commodified everything. in happened in the west; to the west. the west is not the force that did it. the west is harmed by it. we can choose to go back and use those things in the way that was creating a better society.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 02:04 PM
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just because we have societal constructs that aren't necessary for survival does not mean they are for validation. we have a 'sex for validation' problem in our society. it is not a pillar of the west like relationships, commitment and marriages. it is a false need fed to use by those benefiting from a pleasure-obsessed public. same as the false need for a diamond wedding ring.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 06:00 PM
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I'm in the "sex is a need" mindset of sex. After having had sex thousand times with my wife and wanting it to continue, what validation am I seeking exactly? I mean you felt the need to tell me you have had lots of sex. I didn't invent this concept. It's a well known redpill thing although it's inconvenient, so I guess it's not talked about as much. Sex is factually not a need except for making babies. If you want it a certain amount very badly, that's a different story
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 04:34 PM
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"We Can't Have a Feminist Future Without Abolishing the Family" http://archive.ph/Iiyn1
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 03:23 PM
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you are still in the "needing validation" mindset of sex
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 03:17 PM
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I am 1000% percent a proponent of “it takes a village.” Two parents being the isolated single source is stupid bit of a strawman as thats never what the nuclear family was about
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/20 06:19 PM
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but what you're describing is still tied into the nuclear family paradigm. the parents were the leaders. they were present. and the outer family and neighborhood were in sync, and had generally healthy values. what we have now is atomization, isolation, and dysfunction. the state seizes on this chance to play a bigger role in people's development, attempting to create more perfect cogs for their system. companies seize on this chance to get you into more products and obsessed with material cultu…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/20 06:13 PM
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/r/plur
/r/BlackPillScience04/02/20 07:10 PM
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after i graduated college i got into a fairly lucrative field. of course i was a weeb too. i moved to japan hoping my decent degree and job prospects would land me a sweet japanese 10. after years of not much action, i realized the japanese were racist and i've been doing tons of activism for social justice in japan. racism is wrong wherever it occurs and must be fought. we are making huge strides over here now. plur, my friends
/r/BlackPillScience03/02/20 03:29 PM
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idk about the yoda thing, but yes, government and business is taking major advantage of childless women.. ..and men
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 02:46 PM
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Word. I'd also argue that there is a DESPERATE need for validation via sex that absolutely comes from the culture to our males and it fucks them up for a long time. Base sexuality must def be sublimated, but we also need to kill this hookup culture and virgin shaming culture. It's all just putting money in the pockets of the sex industry and power in the hands of vagina havers
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/20 07:57 PM
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achieve greater things than reproduction get rich or create amazing art if you are so inclined. Having kids is just as important as anything you can come up with. We only have this world of great things because good people bred
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/20 02:33 PM
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wait are trannies just dude storm troopers out there takin a big one for the team getting prostitution legalized?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/20 08:02 PM
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It's staggering how much materialism I see here. Are people really this addicted to consuming? Have the people rejected all common wisdom about money not being able to buy happiness?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 08:05 PM
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thank you
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 08:02 PM
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yup. women thinking they wanted to have jobs outside the home was the best thing that ever happened to corporations
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 07:58 PM
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I make around the national average and my wife is a SAHM+Homeschool. And it's freakin awesome. We can't afford to buy a lot. But that's literally the only downside. The most important thing is having her home with the kid. We love how she is turning out. And there's so much love in the house. Very different from sending them away to get a one size fits all 12 year cram session, government sanctioned morality, and peer-orientation complex. The economy is kinda messed up for Americans. The advent …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 07:47 PM
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you make it work. it's really not that bad if you try. we want our kids to grow up healthy and happy. that doesn't require being able to afford the many available programs out there. they're just products
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 07:30 PM
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and Homeschool. I'm sure that triggers a lot of people on here though
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 07:26 PM
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i said if you want to fuck closer to the way women do. if you want that, you gotta get big. i'd personally not trade my manhood because i am a realized man. but i could see how a lot of unestablished men would trade their zero-status for the percs of womanhood, despite the cramps lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 01:37 PM
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men and women are both "bad" in our primitive state. women have simply been allowed to revert to that with the help of feminism etc. before that we had a handle on the woman question. we muted our base sexuality in favor of civility. men and women were controlled. the women were not allowed to be thots and the men were not allowed to rape. feminism removed one of those barriers and tipped the power scales way to the left.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 01:24 PM
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no but some convincing does need to be done. the way i see it: •Men need to be convinced to get off the couch and be manly. To be thinkers rather than consumers. To be creators rather than consumers. To build their civ than let theirs be destroyed or taken over. •Women need to be convinced to give up the feminist dream. To give up government power over men. To embrace tradition. To see men as their natural counterparts instead of problems to be solved or trophies. •And both need to be convinced …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 01:13 PM
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yup, when you take the norm of family-building out of the equation, you get pure sexual power dynamics. just like the good old pre-civilization days.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 09:03 PM
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maybe we are getting closer to convincing women of something
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 09:00 PM
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Except you literally have the choice not to do that how is that even comparable if we are talking about requirements to fuck closer to the way women can, then no, it's not optional. you will have to lift or have some other sexiness boosting perk
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 08:58 PM
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men are mad because we have moved to a pleasure-based society where sex is a the in-demand product with a market value, and women have an absolute monopoly on that product and are gouging the the price accordingly. this produces an insane amount of market losers this is worse than when that guy bought the cure for aids and charged 7 million dollars for a dose
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 02:56 PM
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We all want sex but most of society doesn’t even see the value of or want children!! It’s so ironic honestly...everyone wants to get the max while giving as little as humanly possible, and they all wonder why they’re unhappy and their lives are vain and unsatisfying. boom yea. If it was just about sex, this would all be a lot easier. We need to reject the modern notion that relationships are not about making families. They've tried to commodify sex so they can have one more product to sell
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 12:52 PM
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I admit everything you say is true for a percentage of dudes. And it's a problem. There's no point in complaining about self improvement. We should all do it. Not just to get laid. But what you are saying here points to a bigger picture issue that I think is worse than "These men are lazy etc." Something has changed in our society for the sexes. Nobody talks about it. But men and women will continue to suffer under these conditions until it is ironed out. So you have this testosterone thing that…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 11:42 PM
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chasing tail is basically videogames. it's playtime, sport hunting. poaching pussy. but the victims are women's mental and spiritual health. and men falling into a lazy state of pleasure seeking rather than manning up and having a healthy family
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 06:29 PM
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can i get an example?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 08:49 PM
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yo what
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 06:15 PM
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The sexual market market is, imo, something we tried because we could, but we are seeing basically more harm than benefit from. The benefits: people don't have to get stuck with duds. But I think this is a feature modern women really latch onto. Their natural desire to secure a provider makes them addicted to the seemingly infinite choice the marketplace offers. And they still get stuck with duds alarmingly often after navigating the market the best they know how. I think the marketplace misses …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 03:32 PM
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inb4 ppd women like "but we don't do that"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 03:17 PM
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none of this really works unless both the man and woman are both hip to what's going on in the world, and have adopted a philosophy to bring society back to health. and i don't mean they've become libertarians
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 01:16 PM
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some of it will be like you say, the sexbots etc will accelerate things. The final implosion of these ideas will lead to life beginning anew. But our part will have to be spreading truth and creating a cultural movement that fills the void and takes root before another subversion. It's hard because these poison cultural changes are largely astroturfed and memed into reality by people who game their way into influential positions. The groundwork for all this was laid in the early 20th century by …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/20 04:20 PM
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The majority of men and women out there are not thinkers, philosophers, or thought leaders. They have to be told what to do. They will follow when ideas change. Right now the average man is enjoying fast sex in dating and hating life later when things break down Right now the average woman is enjoying access to a huge variety of men and careers, and hating life later when she missed the chance to lock in a guy suitable for her souls fulfillment, aka having a comfortable home to nest in and make …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/20 07:56 PM
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AWALT =/= BAD GIRLS Even a good girl, will do AWALT stuff. And it's totally manageable in marriage if you are a self-actualized man. She will actually help you achieve this evolved status through her shit tests (that come off as modern spoiled fem solipsism.) If you react to her stuff correctly and become the leader, it's all fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 08:53 PM
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i mean how long before disney princesses have pierced clits
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 08:37 PM
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I mean in modern liberal society, marriage is highly vestigial. If we aren't a family-oriented society anymore, and have moved to pleasure-oriented, then marriage is not really needed. It may be slightly useful for disease control or taxes. Now the marriage industry on the other hand, is booming (and predatory.) In the new selfishness, men are encouraged to dream of banging huge numbers of hot women, and so then feel tied down by marriage. All the while spending huge amounts of hard-earned money…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 08:07 PM
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marriage is an outdated system connected to when women were property [ ] women are taken advantage of when they don't get pleasure or commitment from sex [ ] pick one
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 07:09 PM
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guys not taking "no" is a feature of hookup culture. you can't deregulate sex, and then try to only regulate it again for men i mean you can, but fuck you. female raw sexuality is to be raped by the most alpha animal, male raw sexuality is to rape. sexual liberation means walking back to this form. in practice, it is the cultural norm for women to display sexual availability. this means they appear to the male senses in away that triggers the mating instinct. that is a primal signal. women are a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/19 04:00 PM
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good point. both parties being led around by transient / base desire is what's killing us
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 06:33 PM
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You'd be better off hiring an actual prostitute if you are that desperate for female attention. It's been said here before, but this would solve all the problems. In the USA, this shit being illegal is seen as some kind of moral win, but I think that's a smoke screen for the people who profit from the world of porn (eternal male thirst)
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 06:30 PM
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the question is whether we can or should "progress" beyond a naturalistic view of race and gender. -complimentary / traditional / optimized gender "roles" -a tribalist / ethno-nationalist / species-ist(??) approach to race acceptance of inequality as a kind of harmony of beings living together vs attempting to move "beyond" that paradigm. is it even possible? is it smart? can we go back if we don't like it? is it working so far? have we done enough? is it a scam that our elites preach but don't …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/19 03:57 PM
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yes. i had to eat many many redpills like meatballs before i actually started digesting them and doing things, and even then couldn't do anything effectively until i rewired some MAJOR areas of my brain.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 07:48 PM
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everything in popular culture tells women that when they are "feeling it," then those feelings are like a magical sign that it's a fine idea to let him bang you. could it be that feelings of lust, thrill, infatuation, etc etc are just temporary highs that are basically zero indicator of anything useful? These feelings should be placed at the bottom of our rational mind, but no, for women, they are told to use them as an all-knowing guide
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 08:36 PM
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The fact that women become "married in their mind" once regular sex begins is a pretty solid fact. If dating doesn't reflect this reality, then it's unfair. The guy can keep evaluating after sex starts, after easily detach if there's something he doesn't like. The girl can't, she's attached and will now be trying to make it work, and not be able to see what she doesn't like.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 03:50 PM
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ending family lines should be ruled out. it's not a right we have. we have to press on, even if it's impossibly hard and messy
/r/MGTOW212/12/19 07:30 PM
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casual sex is a toxic force on the culture. if you perpetuate this, fuck you
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/19 06:18 PM
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Many of women's complaints seem to revolve around these men that flip out when they don't get their way. Here's an idea: let's just put our heads together and deal with this problem, instead of constantly using it as a cudgel to win a narrative war and defend feminism
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/19 08:01 PM
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this is very sad
/r/MGTOW10/12/19 02:06 PM
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81% of women watch porn could i get a link to this data? my own searching turned up the 1 in 3 study but nothing close to 81%
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 08:53 PM
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Girls post 5 times more photos on their social media page than boys do; and the girls are more likely to point the camera at themselves. Michael A. Stefanone, Derek Lackaff, and Devan Rosen, “Contingencies of self-worth and social-networking-site behavior,” Cyberpsychology, Behavior, and Social Networking, 14:41-49, 2011. Girls appear to be more vulnerable than boys to the toxic effects of social media such as Facebook and Instagram. Boys are more likely than girls to become addicted to video ga…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 08:05 PM
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average/tall chads should leave the shorter girls to the shorter guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/19 08:24 PM
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the more microcosmic your dating pool is, the more clear the effect is seen. that's why it's laser sharp on OLD. in schools, you see it but not as clearly. in a store that hires a lot of younger people that is like a little community / ecosystem, you will see it. there is often a guy who is a chosen one who seems to rake it in, and nobody can figure it out. even the girls who say he's gross but accidentally bang him later somehow. he often has drugs. it's hard to see it in the grownup world, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/19 05:58 PM
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women and men are inhibited from family building because it is not economically favorable, That's one factor. But are we going to ignore the decades of anti-family, anti-parent, pro selfish pleasure-seeking messaging from our institutions? Fear mongering about overpopulation? "The collapse of parenting" in the west? It's not just money. It's a whole set of social factors pressing down. The people are making the only choice they think they have. not because casual sex isn’t outlawed. I never advo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/19 07:19 PM
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Why would they be miserable?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/19 06:32 PM
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both men and women are inhibited from family building currently. both men and women think they don't really want it. both men and women need their "freedom to destroy society" limited
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/19 04:42 PM
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mostly agree. although many say by the 50s you already started to see the decay. I've heard lots of stories about deadbeat husbands from that period cited as evidence we needed rampant divorce and liberated women. What we needed was virtue. A culture that cultivates bettering the self and embodying a moral system that resonates with the western persons soul. At some point the culture was shifted to hedonism rather than virtue. We are not our best selves anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/19 04:38 PM
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I listened to everyone. And actually 50% of what everyone says they want is BS. After opening up this market, men and women want to have their cake and eat it too. You can't just fuck as much as and whoever you want. You can't pull chads and staceys. You can't all be rich. The best we can do is become more family oriented. Be the best we can be physically and mentally. Settle down early. Let women and men proudly assume their natural gender roles. Reject the culture of pleasure maximization
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/19 04:00 PM
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yes
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/19 03:53 PM
1

I used to be an Ancap myself. Maybe it is you who needs growing?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/19 03:52 PM
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They are hardly robust. They are nice, but there's nothing like an enthusiastic program that gets people excited to build families rather than live selfishly.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/19 03:51 PM
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Old system: Male primary social order I think that's off. Yes we had male dominance in history, but we also had matriarchies. The west was engaged in a system of the sexes acting in a complimentary manner. TRP works for making the best of a "Female primarily social order," but has no few tools to bring society back to a beautiful harmony. It's for watching the world burn in maximum comfort.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/19 03:49 PM
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I'm absolutely worried about it. Surrogates and mail order brides are an interesting band-aid. But they don't really solve the problem of: a man in his own society is being inhibited from continuing that very society in the optimal way, like a nuclear family with a person from a compatible background.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/19 03:44 PM
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Yes, lets redesign all of society because Well, we already redesigned society in the sexy revolution. Anybody who complained was shouted down, or told there was nothing to worry about. I'd say we gained next to nothing from this revolution. What would you say? that might be easier then you going to the gym and grooming yourself. jeez. I'll give you that. If a man can't get himself together, that's just wrong. We obviously don't want that. But of course an entire superstructure of conditions had …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/19 03:27 PM
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Fair enough. My wording was strong. First off, if you don't play the game, and lose yourself in other activities, I guess you won't experience the chaos. But if you don't get to breed, Isn't that just overall damage? If you want to be with someone, and run into walls, you will feel the chaos. Dating can be very chaotic, if you follow the normal program. Try sleeping with a woman for a while and then deciding you aren't a good long term fit. It works on TV. In real life you will be treated like t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/19 03:13 PM
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Most women can buy sex with hot guys and marriage to men they're sort of attracted to, and those women aren't happy about that. But then, they weren't happy with the market before, when they could get marriage to an OK guy and sex with a few guys beforehand. So they got it changed, and they still aren't happy. I think before the revolution, most women were happy, but fell for the false promise of something even better, and now they are stuck in denial and will accept more power if they can get i…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/19 02:39 PM
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Good question. Of course we don't want to oppress anyone. But we know people were getting together efficiently before the sexual revolution. Something has broken down. For one, people did not used to have huge dating pools. And we had a pro-family society, rather than pro-pleasure heading towards full hedonism. Just little tweaks lol. I think if we put our minds to it, we would come up with all sorts of things. The hardest part might be accepting that the liberal system failed, and all the defen…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/19 08:59 PM
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Sure, here's this one. It finds that porn use leads to the same effects we see with other vices like videogames and drugs. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/1874574
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/19 01:37 PM
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SO MUCH https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/research/ https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/relevant-research-and-articles-about-the-studies/
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/19 08:57 PM
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I wonder if the advantage women have with OLD is balanced out by a possible advantage men have approaching IRL in everyday settings. I suspect that a guy with the balls to make a lot of approaches in daily life (not nightlife) will find himself with a lot of positive hits with little to no competition. My data is just life experience, but you can also see a clue for this in OPs link. The woman says that when she talks to the guys IRL, it's a game changer.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/19 06:28 PM
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it's pretty worthless to a man too, after the rush of conquest is past. it's good for nobody
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/19 06:21 PM
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modern women are taught by the culture to embrace their whimsical mystical emotional side, which is stronger by default. they are told they never have to progress beyond a childish stage of desire-driven behavior. then of course they are a wreck, and rather than admit the culture took a wrong turn, our leaders develop a number of copes and fake prizes to try and hide the chaos they created
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/19 03:46 PM
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Sure. Sheer survival. Birthrates are tanking, and gender roles are playing a huge part. Survival is not the best measure. Hunter-gatherers can survive with a sustainable system. But the West is the leader of the world in terms of innovation and prosperity; a model for what is possible with a post hunter-gatherer society. If you value this accomplishment, then you also have to give credit to the gender roles that were in place during this rise as part of a very strong working system. New gender r…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/19 04:12 PM
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men have to be freaking amazing. they have to somehow evolve past their evolution to become enraged at injustice in their own homes. sad but true. the woman can do all sorts of crazy fucked-up BS and if you get rightly mad and lose your cool, you look like the asshole and she laughs at you, and it's evidence that you are just so broken and immature. and if she's yelling, you better believe the only reaction allowed is capitulation
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/19 06:41 PM
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thats the question
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/19 06:36 PM
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You can't point to corrupt modernity and say "see this is why traditional feminine roles are BS." Also, pointing to people who are interacting with trad fem roles and failing miserably is also not evidence that trad fem roles themselves are BS. The real evidence is thousands of years of success with trad roles, as opposed to the instant feminism and related movements took hold you get everything falling apart. Also, if we could magically eliminate feminism, I think the problems would remain beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/19 06:23 PM
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ITT: women point out that their attraction to a man is based on a complex, weighted matrix of factors from physicality to status, and not just ripped body, inadvertently confirming OP's theory, and actually upping the anti by saying being ripped still isn't good enough. Joking aside, this is great info for everyone. We don't need to throw away everything females say about their attraction. But it is totally possible women underestimate just how much weight the rippedness carries in their feeling…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/19 08:06 PM
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Haha yea that's how I always remember it being. Fresh reports of guys' day to day adventures. And then they get torn up accordingly.
/r/MarriedRedPill21/10/18 02:05 PM
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Thanks for the very constructive feedback, yall. I agree that I am not all the way there, and haven't claimed to be. I had a good day, with all short-term outcomes positive, imo. I'll keep up with my reading, and we will see what the long term reveals.
/r/MarriedRedPill18/10/18 07:24 PM
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