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I think you're discussing factors tangential to the main question here. Regarding your second paragraph, yes, I understand the hypothetical scenario. Regarding your third paragraph, yes, I agree that there is no argument against being punished for committing fraud. I'd like to discuss specifically the punishment that should be applied. Why below $1M or below whatever amount they lied to get? Why specifically the amount they lied to try to get? That seems arbitrary to me. In this example, it just…
/r/PussyPassDenied14/05/20 09:01 AM
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If someone lies that someone hit their car and they owe $1000 for repairs, that person owes their victim $1000. I don't think that follows tbh. For making a false accusation and wasting everyone's time and causing the victim stress, I think the punishment should be more than $1000. It really doesn't make sense to match the punishment for a false accusation to whatever they made up in that accusation. Like, the false accuser demanding $100 or $1000 or $1M in damages are different levels of crime,…
/r/PussyPassDenied14/05/20 06:21 AM
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But what happens when the person you accuse actually gets punished for the crime they didn't commit? Then you should be punished, of course. Do you not think it's fair that your lie that got them in that situation should get the punishment they were going to receive? No, the punishment you receive should depend on how much damage you inflicted. It could be less than the punishment they were going to receive -- or more. The idea that these 2 things should be exactly equal doesn't have a basis in …
/r/PussyPassDenied14/05/20 06:10 AM
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I'm a dude, but okay. You sound like you're overwhelmed with emotion and done with rational discussion, and I won't begrudge you that.
/r/PussyPassDenied14/05/20 05:04 AM
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That does not sound like justice. The false accuser's sentence should be based on the damage it caused. To the victim and to taxpayers. So I agree that it should be at least 7 years of jail. But those 7 years are specifically because those were the consequences of the false accusation, not because those 7 years were a punishment for a crime that never happened.
/r/PussyPassDenied14/05/20 01:37 AM
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I think the punishment for a crime should be based strictly on how much damage it causes, not how easy or hard it is to do.
/r/PussyPassDenied14/05/20 01:23 AM
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I understand that false rape accusations are a horrible crime and should be punished severely. The point I'm trying to make is that the correct punishment for a false accusation is not necessarily equal to the punishment for the imaginary crime that never occurred. Please consider this example.
/r/PussyPassDenied14/05/20 01:12 AM
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I think we might be. You would agree, then, that "She should've gotten whatever he would've been sentenced to" is illogical?
/r/PussyPassDenied13/05/20 10:27 PM
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I think that the punishment for a false accusation should scale with the amount of damage it does. As you say, an accusation of sexual assault can ruin someone's life. Why should we punish that specifically with whatever punishment would have been applied for a nonexistent crime? "False accusers should be punished as if they committed the alleged crime" is poetic nonsense. False accusers should be punished to reflect the full extent of the damages they inflict. That's what I'm saying.
/r/PussyPassDenied13/05/20 10:04 PM
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I really can't agree. To give another example, let's say that Alice falsely accuses Bob of sexually assaulting her in a way that is punishable by 1 year of prison. This false accusation causes Bob to lose his job and wife. It causes him enormous stress. It ruins his life. What you're suggesting is that when the truth comes to light, Alice should be punished with a mere 1 year of prison. That's ridiculous. She deserves far more. The punishment for a false accusation should not simply be set equal…
/r/PussyPassDenied13/05/20 09:59 PM
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It's apples to oranges In my example, I show how a crime and a false accusation of that crime are not equally bad. Can you explain why this doesn't apply to rape -- why rape and false rape accusations should get equal punishment? I absolutely agree that women are given too much benefit of the doubt and that they're making it worse for actual victims. I don't think that's relevant here, though. I'm discussing specifically the punishment that should be applied to someone who has been found to have…
/r/PussyPassDenied13/05/20 09:50 PM
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I'm don't understand your hostility. It is absolutely true that innocent men are in prison and that the testimony of women is given too much weight as evidence. I'm just saying that when it comes time to punish people for leveling false accusations, there's no logical reason to peg it at whatever sentence would have been applied to the lie. There's no actual link between the two. I gave an example, exaggerated for demonstrative purposes, in a different reply. Please check it out.
/r/PussyPassDenied13/05/20 09:38 PM
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Edited for clarification. More specifically, lying about someone committing a crime is not equally as bad as actually committing the crime. To use an extreme example, (a) killing 10 people is not equally as bad as (b) falsely accusing someone of killing 10 people. You wouldn't expect the punishment for those 2 crimes to be equal.
/r/PussyPassDenied13/05/20 09:25 PM
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If Bob falsely accuses Alice of a heinous crime that would earn a 40-year sentence, does he deserve 40 years for that lie? It's poetic but doesn't really make sense when you think about it. It's defamation and perjury and we have laws for that.
/r/PussyPassDenied13/05/20 09:14 PM
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