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CMVtotallyworkinghere/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 12:12 PM
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CMVtotallyworkinghere/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 11:38 AM
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PURGE WEEKtotallyworkinghere/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 11:09 AM
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No male friends? 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 02:07 AM
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So are you fine with it if a woman won't date a gamer, or someone who does weed, or even a guy who likes sex a lot? Because they could be addicted, you know
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 01:15 AM
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The addict has the potential to get clean
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 01:08 AM

Sorry, I don't care what the consequences are after I'm fucking dead from a male partner murdering me.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 12:31 AM

Oh I'm not arguing against any of this happening. Just saying that there's the chance of relationships harming both people in them, so if you're afraid of women you can't be mad when some women are afraid of men
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 12:17 AM
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Kinda, because he's explicitly promised that he won't leave in that case. Before he made that promise? I honestly expected it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 10:09 PM
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I'm a feminist married to a man who's more of a "Chad" than you'll ever be For example, he doesn't complain about women on reddit
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 09:30 PM
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Have you seen conservative women?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 09:26 PM

Usually hand in hand with the abuse, but you've got a point
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 09:14 PM
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Cool, I don't think your original statement was worded well because I did think you were just against women, but hey if you're down for both sides being the same amount of choosy, then you're all right. I'm married to an "in progress" guy as a fat woman, and we push each other to be healthier physically and mentally. But the key is I liked him before he made money, and he liked me before I lost weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 09:04 PM
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Most men who play video games all day aren't likely to be successful so why should any woman date them?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 08:58 PM
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That's fair, but then you shouldn't expect any woman to go for a guy who plays video games all day while saying his startup is totally gonna take off. He's got potential but no receipts either.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 08:09 PM
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Over 300 pounds let's say. And you don't know what she's doing about it because you meet her at a bar.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 07:42 PM
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No but I'm a fat woman and I don't expect everyone to be interested in me. I know I have potential but that doesn't mean the world should just blindly trust me
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 07:41 PM

Sure, avoid women all you want, just don't get upset when women avoid you as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 06:56 PM
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So would you date an obese woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 06:53 PM

I'm just pointing out that women also have reasons to be scared. Women get killed in relationships. Women get abused. So what is it? Should people be scared of the potential for harm? Or do you really believe that men losing their money is worse than women being murdered?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 06:32 PM

Following your logic, why should women get into relationships? If we're scared of the worst that can happen, women should be constantly worried about being physically and mentally abused, getting pregnant and being a single mother, and becoming financially reliant on their male partners which leads to more abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 05:19 PM
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Bro do you even like your wife
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 04:17 PM
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Reality? I just don't have a video game addiction so I don't see the world in terms of leveling up
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 04:08 PM
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You assume a lot about what women want. And yet you apparently can't conceive that a woman might make more than you? If you're happy being single, then that's great, but it doesn't mean your views on women are anywhere near correct
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 04:07 PM
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No woman is wearing makeup to level up because reality doesn't have levels
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 03:39 PM
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I think men are more likely to fall into the hatred of fat people after being formerly fat, but the ego boost can happen to anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 12:42 PM
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Looks do matter but many people here have a very black and white binary way of thinking and they can't comprehend that looks are only part of a very complicated equation that changes for every single person.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 06:24 PM
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Are you okay? Seriously that's not normal, most people are aware their actions have an impact on those around them and don't do things that impede others. I may not give a shit about the person behind me but that doesn't mean I'm going to let the door slam in their face.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 06:07 PM
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Honestly I assumed it because another man was literally just arguing with me why he never holds the door open for other men, and it's not the first time I've had that argument. I am not an attractive woman, personally, and I get treated "like a man". I have had doors swung closed in my face. I have had men watch me struggle to open doors when my arms are full, and then hold the door for a prettier woman. I'm sorry for assuming about you personally, but it's coming from experience, not sexism.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 03:08 PM
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The problem is that you should also be doing all this shit for men. Why can't you hold the door for the guy behind you? Why can't you tell your friend his haircut looks good? Treat women equal to men, but also treat men better.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 02:56 PM
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No. A mental disorder can make being social more difficult, but if you never fight to overcome awkwardness, that's a choice representative of your personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 02:52 PM
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Honestly men should treat each other better. No wonder you're all bitter if you can't take 2 seconds out of your day to be nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 02:33 PM
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Yeah, generalizations exist. But no one insists a penguin must be able to fly since it's a bird. Yet women are constantly told what we must be feeling, doing based on generalizations. Which we can admit might be true for other women but you don't know me as well as I know me
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 02:31 PM
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The fact that you see basic politeness as a special privilege is just sad
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 02:27 PM
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I do. All I'm asking for in return is don't let the door slam right in my face.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 02:24 PM
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Women want men to treat them as other women treat them. Be kind, be polite, hold a door open if you're going in front of them, compliment the things they choose about their appearance rather than their body. This is literally basic shit that women do for other women who are complete strangers, but men act like it's a huge effort for some reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 02:03 PM
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If it talks like a duck
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 01:13 PM
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Socially awkward IS a personality, so yeah that does matter. Why are you changing goalposts
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 10:40 AM
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They continued to lie and maintain innocence. Some women are attracted to power enough that they don't care, but it's a very small amount. I'm not sure what your goal is here, my dude. Do you want a free pass to murder and rape and beat women?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 02:49 AM
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None of those people introduced themselves as horrible. They were very good at hiding it. Acting like an amoral lunatic helps no one. Acting like a decent person is the way to go. Most people will then actually be a decent person because most people feel normal amounts of empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 02:41 AM
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It's not like anyone's hating on Vin Diesel's baldness
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 08:34 PM
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That's fair. For me the rich dumbass is a deal breaker and the poor in circumstances is someone I could deal with, since I'm not looking for a provider, but everyone's entitled to their own opinions on their own partners
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 08:14 PM
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Balding is different than bald. I've got a few friends who started going bald in their 20s and they decided fuck it, shaved their heads. They look great and it works because it's an obvious choice to be shaved totally bald rather than have one giant bald spot.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 08:08 PM
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There's a huge difference between someone who's broke and someone who's financially irresponsible. I'd much rather be with a poor man who knows how to stretch a dollar than a rich man who pays for dinner every night because he can't cook.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 08:06 PM
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Most people with an average sex life aren't going to be talking about their sex life. Who's going to brag about getting laid a couple times a week with the same person? That's only great for the people in the relationship, no one else cares. As an actual average person in a LTR, I have sex a few times a week. Sometimes it's mind-blowing amazing. Sometimes it sucks. Because that's what average is, nothing great and nothing terrible.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 05:34 PM
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I didn't get a date till college and ended up being the first of my friends to get married
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 05:29 PM
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I don't want a man to waste money on me. I want a man who's smart with money. Fancy jewelry and cars doesn't mean shit to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 05:28 PM
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Just because it doesn't feel right for you doesn't mean it's wrong for everyone. I met my husband just after college. If I wasn't interested in something long term I would've thrown away a great guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 12:56 PM

Okay have fun with that when the young woman leaves to explore her options because loyalty means nothing
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 11:33 AM
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Most men in general? No. Most men on this sub? Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 12:46 AM
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Half your comments are calling me dumb for my views and now you agree with me because you don't want a leech? Face it, if you want a woman who isn't after your money, she's gonna be a leftist liberal feminist.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 11:58 PM
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Not every woman wants a provider
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 11:23 PM

Ew find someone else to indulge on you weird financial domination kink
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 08:54 PM

Holy shit a discount
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 08:48 PM

Does making up words make you feel smart?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 08:43 PM
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I don't have ac and I'm on food stamps.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 08:32 PM

I didn't expect it to turn into that honestly but people are sucking that capitalist dick harder than I thought. Also communist is not an insult. It's not the 50s anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 04:36 PM
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No I expect to go 50/50.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 04:35 PM
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Everyone can't be rich but everyone could be surviving if people weren't selfish. It's straight up immoral to be ultra rich while starving people exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 04:32 PM
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Oh yeah CEOs are corrupt as hell but at least the workers are honest. Where's the work in being a landlord?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 04:31 PM
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The good ones do. But I'm more sympathetic to the underpaid worker who's doing his best with his lot in life than the overpaid CEO
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 04:23 PM

I'm not moving away from my family, friends, and job just to afford a house. Rent shouldn't be $2k a month for 500 square feet and saying "lol just move" puts the blame back on me for what? Being born in a high cost of living area?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 04:22 PM
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Sounds like people are just mad I'm calling them out tbh. I'm not the one preventing anyone from being paid fairly or preventing houses from being affordable. I'm just a realist who sees that the current economy is a pyramid scheme and we can't all be on top.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 04:19 PM
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Provide a good or service and get paid by whoever is benefiting from that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 04:16 PM

Yes some people will always be renters. And there's always the rare good landlord out there. But when the average mortgage is less than the average rent, but there's no houses for sale because wannabe landlords buy them all at 50-100k over asking price sight unseen, I have no sympathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 04:16 PM
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Yeah it's impossible to live completely virtuously in today's world but why does that make it okay to not even try?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 04:11 PM
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Do work, get paid for work.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 04:10 PM
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Renting isn't cheaper than owning.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 04:10 PM

They'd be able to afford property if landlords weren't hoarding it and artificially driving up prices
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 04:09 PM

Landlords are a special kind of scum tbh. It's not a real job
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 03:56 PM
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Well without actually knowing your details I can't say if you're a good business owner or not, but it is possible, as long as you remember your employees are people too
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 03:53 PM
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Politics is debating if the state should take a cut of taxes for social care. Understanding that people need a place to live and it's not okay for anyone to hoard housing and artificially inflate the prices is just basic human decency.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 03:52 PM
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This isn't advice, this is just basic facts
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 03:33 PM
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If you can afford to drop thousands of dollars without blinking, then you've got an attitude towards money that doesn't exactly suggest moral integrity.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 03:33 PM
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How much do you pay your employees? Do they get paid a living wage for the work they do? Do they get to share in the profits they help create? How much more do you earn than they do?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 03:08 PM

A guy who goes broke buying a fancy car is just as bad as the guy who can afford the fancy car and thinks that's enough to attract women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 03:07 PM
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I'd expect most people to realize that dropping hundreds of dollars on a first date isn't normal and don't need to be told this. I'm not going to judge a guy for treating me to a decent dinner, but a Michelin star dining experience on the first date is too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 02:59 PM

You do know what a red flag actually is, right? A warning that something might be wrong and a reason to have your guard up. A slow down, not a stop. I care because I see people saying here all the time that women only care about money and I'm a woman saying that's absolutely not true. I do have the capability to care about things that don't affect my life, surprisingly. It's called empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 02:47 PM
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Also you do realize that the reason people can't afford to buy property is because selfish idiots have been treating a basic human right like an investment, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 02:27 PM
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It's pretty much also gambling. It's fine as a side thing but making it your main career is kind of pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 02:25 PM
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A simple hey you wanna get lunch sometime and then go to a casual order at the counter place, where you order and pay separately because that's how the restaurant is already set up, and there's no awkward issue of who pays
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 02:23 PM

Yeah, if human nature and greed didn't get in the way, communism would be great.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 02:21 PM
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I just threw up in my mouth a little
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 02:07 PM

And yet they still choose to gamble to earn money instead of work for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 02:01 PM

You know that's fair, crypto traders are just financially illiterate. Landlords are still scum.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 01:45 PM
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I'd rather make an honest living than screw over other people for personal gain, and I could never be with a man who doesn't agree with that philosophy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 01:30 PM
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Gambling with pretend money and hoarding housing are not real jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 01:19 PM
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Yeah that's great, and I assume every business owner treats their employees fairly and pays them a living wage?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 01:14 PM
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How do you think people get money without screwing over someone else?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 01:00 PM
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I agree, not automatically immoral, but in this economy there's a high likelihood and it's something to be wary of
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 12:53 PM
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I've been made uncomfortable by both men offering to take me to expensive places and by men ordering the most expensive thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 12:38 PM
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If this is pick-me behavior I'd hate to see what a truly desperate woman looks like
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 11:25 AM

Their time off the clock is absolutely equally valuable, so why should one partner be forced to spend more of it working?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 11:04 AM

You're the one who put her in a transactional relationship in the first place by setting these terms. There's nothing wrong with cheap dates. What's wrong is withholding affection and not treating a woman like a serious option until she has sex with you. And since so many men show affection through spending money, that's the effect this plan has. If you're able to show that you can be committed to a relationship without spending money then yeah, go for it. Capitalism sucks and the ideal date sho…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 03:08 AM

Based on experience and what I've heard from others.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 02:55 AM

That's true, usually lower income jobs do have more stress. But different household duties also have different amounts of stress, so they can be divided up to make sure both partners are happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 02:44 AM

Yes, because money and time aren't the same. Presumably, both partners are working the same amount of time, and should therefore put the same amount of time into the house, regardless of how much money is earned.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 02:38 AM

Yes it is. An hour is an hour for everyone. No one's time is worth more than anyone's just based on how much money they make. An ideal relationship would have both partners spending an equal amount of time working, whether to provide income or caring for the house.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 02:26 AM

Just because the guy might make more money doesn't entitle him to put less time into caring for the house where he also lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 01:36 AM
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No, I probably wouldn't go on a date with them just because of that. When I say attractive I just mean like aesthetically. It doesn't mean I have any interest in them whatsoever. If they approach me I'll probably be nice but I'm not more inclined to date them because of how they look.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 11:06 PM
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If you meet someone in person it's impossible to not see them unless you're blind. But it can simply not matter until you're emotionally invested. I've seen plenty of attractive guys in the street, I wouldn't want to sleep with them because I don't know them. I don't feel any lust without an emotional connection
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 10:52 PM
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Bit of both. The libido was entirely the birth control. But there was a lot messing with my head at that time, I was given a 50% chance of survival and told I might be infertile, so it's really hard to say what exactly caused what. There definitely is no better "shit test" than a literal brush with death tho
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 10:43 PM
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Chat rooms. Just places to talk about fan things and then I got to know people individually in DMs and then feelings happened. The one that went past a crush, he happened to live nearby and we met in person at an in person meeting of the same online group we met through.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 10:41 PM
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For guys I've crushed on, equal mix of school, through friends, or online. For guys I've actually dated, online and through friends
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 09:59 PM
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Every guy I've been with I liked for his personality first and then appreciated his looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 09:45 PM

That's perfectly fine to do. Walking around and enjoying company is free.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 08:39 PM
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Both. Libido was higher but he also cared for me when I was in the hospital and willing to give up sex entirely if that's what was best for my health. Made me fall in love with him more.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 08:08 PM

The same response any time any woman in this sub has an experience outside the expected narrative 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 08:07 PM

I've had attraction to 4 men in my life, one that I dated, that started with talking to them on the internet with no photo attached to them. I fell for their personalities and the way they treated me before even knowing what they looked like. The one I dated, it was sheer luck he lived near me. He wasn't what I expected physically but I was already into him emotionally so I gave him a chance and stayed with him 2 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 07:59 PM
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I went off birth control after a major health scare and ended up MORE attracted to my husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 07:55 PM
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If the only reason not to end a relationship is that you won't find someone else, that says the fear of being alone is stronger than the detest of a relationship you hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 07:50 PM

Some women want to get to know men emotionally before physically. If you want to rule all of those women out, that's your choice, but it's not an objectively "right" choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 07:49 PM
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Men in the manosphere hate women and are looking for any reason to blame women for not being their personal sex dolls. Many women actually see a man having too good a relationship with his mother to be a red flag. No one wants to date a mommy's boy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 07:14 PM

A first date should always be cheap or 50/50, I agree. But holding onto that as the relationship develops gets harmful. He wonders why he isn't worth sex, she wonders why she isn't worth his time any more than she was on their first date. It's not about withholding money specifically, it's about the withholding affection by treating the girl as disposable until she gives the reward of sex. A simple conversation of "I'd like to do XYZ with you instead of just drinks, would you be up for going 50/…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 05:50 PM

Fair but sex is not a measure of actually liking you. She might just think she has to put out to get anything from you because that's literally how you're behaving. Why not go 50/50 or just go for normally cheaper activities instead of being stingy?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 05:24 PM

Nothing wrong with cheap dates. My issue is more with the idea that sex is how women prove seriousness, when that's definitely not true
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 05:18 PM

What about girls who don't want to have sex at all? Are they unable to be serious about relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 05:06 PM

Yeah, if he's not seeing the money he spends as a transaction to get sex, that's the literal definition of non transactional.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 05:03 PM

If all you're after is sex, then sure, this is a valid strategy. If you want companionship and someone who cares about you, don't treat a relationship as transactional. Do what makes her happy and if she cares, she'll do the same for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 04:56 PM
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The fact that you think emotional intelligence and support are female traits says more about you than women
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 04:54 PM
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You can't check her phone, but if you know her as a person it's kind of judging her personality and seeing if she's a selfie kind of girl. It's hard to explain unfortunately.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 04:52 PM
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There is some context that needs to be considered, but generally I'd say yeah. Does she send selfies to everyone? Probably not flirting. Just you? Flirting. Does she send selfies only of situations that would actually require a photo? ("Look at how good I did my makeup today!") Maybe not flirting, unless, again, it's only to you. But if the selfie is for no apparent reason, like she's just saying hi and accompanying it with her face, it's probably a flirt.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 04:21 PM
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I would call all of those things from the girl side flirting. Except maybe the sweater one.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 04:16 PM
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I'm perfectly happy with my stay at home husband. His lack of income doesn't decrease his value at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 01:43 AM
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You think people plan to gain weight?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 08:50 PM
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The trick is to be fat before you start the relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 08:10 PM
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So you'd rather be with someone you actively hate than be alone?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 05:15 PM
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I actually agree with this and think that men do deserve men only spaces, and I am saying this as a feminist. It was true in the past there was very little support for women at all, but now we have women's shelters turning away men who are abuse victims and that's just not okay. Everyone deserves a space to be themselves. And honestly I don't really believe a bunch of guys getting together are going to make them hate women or anything. Women have their own spaces and a lot of us are still into m…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 07:37 PM
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Honestly at a certain point, money is actually a turn off tbh so I have no idea why men think all women are super into it
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 07:32 PM
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TIL I don't exist
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 07:01 PM
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Explain all the women happily in relationships with penniless men, then
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 06:45 PM
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Or just don't get married
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 06:35 PM
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At that point it's just buying a really expensive prostitute.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 06:27 PM
14

They legitimately believe women find high salaries sexually attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 05:52 PM
6

I agree with you. A lot of the red and blue pill tenets can be useful if not taken as hard and fast rules but it seems like autistic men want strict rules for how to behave. I wish there was an easy answer for this but there really isn't. On the one hand, I do feel a great deal of empathy for men suffering. Being on the outside socially, and blaming yourself for it, is hard. On the other hand, the actions men take under the guidance of the red pill are causing real harm to women, and that can't …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 03:26 PM

Brian's wife will actually see her husband more often and get to enjoy time with the man she married. She'll be more emotionally fulfilled and love him more deeply. Brads wife might find her husband incredibly sexually attractive, but she doesn't respect him. Why should she? She's got her own life going on while he's off with the boys or cheating on her, and he's shown he doesn't even care.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 11:29 AM
8

There are literally men in this thread saying that basic grooming and not fucking every woman in sight count as "payment".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 10:42 PM
2

I can't say if you're right or not, I don't know your life. But I have faced some pretty traumatizing shit and I've made it through that. It's led me to believe that generally being kinder is going to make the world a better place.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 08:25 PM
1

That's a pretty pessimistic view of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 08:10 PM
2

Life is hard and everyone who's made it to adulthood has managed to overcome their own obstacles to make it there. That's worth the appreciation. Yeah some people stand out from a crowd more than others, but everyone has a unique story and that's what makes them amazing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 07:54 PM
4

Women are amazing though. Men are also, generally, amazing. A loud minority of whiny men aren't that interesting but people in general are just awesome and it's not that strange to think so
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 07:26 PM
11

You are aware we live in a society and aren't just mindless animals, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 06:19 PM
8

Did you not enjoy spending time with her?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 06:02 PM
2

Yeah honestly that would probably be fine. The way custody court works has definite issues, but abolishing it entirely won't fix them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 06:00 PM
2

If they don't actually want to take care of the kids, then they have no reason to complain when they're awarded exactly that. If they don't want to step up and be a parent, then they're going to be forced to do the bare minimum, which is provide financially.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 05:41 PM
4

Again, none of this actually matters in a men vs women debate because the custody and child support is for the child. Complaining about it is just complaining that you don't care about supporting your own kid. There is no reason for anyone, any gender, to not want what's best for their kid. There's no reason ever to care about spiting your ex or keeping your money than caring for your child.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 05:31 PM
5

No parent should be weaponizing their child against the other parent. I agree that's a shitty thing to do, regardless of gender. But if one parent says "I want the kid full time" and the other parent says nothing, the court will go with the one who spoke up. And then yeah, the other one pays more because they're not putting in any time for the child.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 05:20 PM
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Yeah, but that's what custody court decisions are for. To decide where the kid goes and where the money goes to make sure each parent is contributing equally. If you have custody more often, you pay less money. If you like your kid, fight for custody.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 05:17 PM
3

You realize if the men had custodial rights, which they often don't even fight for, they'd still have to pay to keep the child alive? Getting a divorce never means you get to shed your responsibility to a kid.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 05:02 PM
4

Because you divorce a spouse, not a child. You don't get to walk away from a kid you created.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 05:00 PM
8

Well that's a communication issue, not a problem with the institution of marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 04:16 PM
2

I listen to rock and metal music primarily.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 04:15 PM
24

Men are free to end it too, if they are unhappy in a marriage. Most places now have no-fault marriages, so there really aren't any legal repercussions for getting a divorce. You have to divide up property that you shared with your spouse, but that's just because it was never fully yours to begin with. Why don't men just walk away if they aren't happy? Why would you want to stay with a family you hate?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 03:58 PM
2

I'm not moving the goalposts, I'm explaining why talking about only sex in an area devoted to relationships is very off putting.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 01:37 PM
2

Have you been in any conversation on this sub? Everyone does that. I don't understand why anyone would be so desperate for sex they'd be with a person they don't even like. The only thing I can think that makes any sense to me is, well they must not have any other options. Because why would you choose to fuck someone you don't find likeable if there was a better option available?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 01:35 PM
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That's fine, but some people find it hot. It's not an objective measure.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 01:29 PM
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Going with the starving metaphor, I've been starving enough that I would have eaten anything, but I didn't have to because I had access to food that wasn't trash. So men being horny enough that they theoretically would fuck anything, sure I understand that. Feeling the need to act on that impulse because they can't access "non trash" options is where it becomes desperate. Masturbation in this case would be a non trash option, because at least in my view it's better to take care of your needs alo…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 01:28 PM
-1

Both experience the same want, but one side is apparently desperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 12:16 PM
5

This isn't the movement going mainstream because who in the world is J Cole??? It's mainstream when your out of touch parents know what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 11:36 AM
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If your description of horny is "ready to fuck any attractive rando", then no, women don't get as horny. But the actual description is "desiring sex" which women absolutely do, just not as often with complete strangers. Because they're complete strangers.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 11:34 AM
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Why does anyone think about anything? The mind is weird. Yeah, women get randomly horny, just like men do. Women usually take care of it via ignoring it till it goes away, or masturbation in private.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 11:32 AM
5

Well yeah, tanning beds are known to cause cancer and it's not great to be out in the sun too long without sunscreen, but that's such a bizarre way of phrasing it, especially as the average woman who just goes out in the sun is not exposed to nearly enough to cause premature aging. And tans look good on some people. Also the sun gives vitamin D, which is essential for mental health.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 11:26 AM
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This is already clearly unhinged but I just have to ask avoid ultraviolet light What the fuck?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 11:15 AM
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Men consider the time they spend becoming a functional member of society as a cost and think they deserve sex for it, because they think sex is the ultimate reward for existing *Obligatory not all men, just the ones who whine the loudest
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 11:10 AM
2

Why are those questions needy to you? One is defining a relationship, the other is a silly hypothetical
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 08:09 PM
6

Cool, then I'm sure you wouldn't mind taking a pay cut at your job because your boss wants your labor for cheaper. You're still consenting to work for money.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 08:02 PM
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Yes sex is important but it isn't everything. There's so much more to relationships than that and if you go from 0 to sex consistently, it is going to be odd to others
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 05:04 PM
1

If I'm already engaged in conversation for whatever reason and I feel they deserve a compliment, then I will. It's also most often not about their appearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 04:00 PM
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Simple answer: you can't always tell. Good hair dye doesn't look fake. Good makeup enhances natural beauty. The best thing you can look for is if a girl has visible pores on her face. The makeup industry has convinced a lot of women that pores are ugly instead of a natural part of skin, so they may wear a lot of foundation and concealer to hide them. But also, if a girl looks like a completely different person because of makeup, just be aware that she's not tricking you. Makeup is a genuine skil…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 02:58 PM
2

Honestly I think most women could put up with a man missing a few of the "alpha" characteristics you listed because the overall picture you painted shows someone attentive, caring, and confident. That's what women want. Men on this sub expect women to have at least as many rules governing their behavior, if not more. If a grown man can't handle "sit up straight" and "pay attention to your date", then he's clearly not responsible enough to be dating anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 02:50 PM
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I compliment young guys because I know it's an ego boost for them and it's not fair that they don't get compliments during an important development stage in their lives. That doesn't mean I'm flirting with them. I'm not interested in teenagers or really even men in their early 20s. I just think people need to be nicer in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 02:43 PM
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When I was single, the honest reason was I was afraid of being physically harmed if I was rejected. Not by the guy I liked directly, but by his friends usually. I was afraid they'd mess with me for daring to go above "my place".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 02:39 PM
2

I was literally quoting the OP?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 01:48 PM
3

Like what? Your comment makes no sense
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 12:47 PM

Cuteness can be sexy. That's perfectly fine. There's a big difference between sexy-cute and little kid-cute and people who aren't pedophiles can absolutely know that. That being said, sometimes you don't know the age of a person, and that's vital information to how you view them. Teens do wear makeup to look more adult. That doesn't make them any less teenagers. Imagine you see a girl, she seems pretty cute, a little on the sexy side. You're looking at her and someone says to you, "uh hey dude, …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 11:05 AM
4

often get locked in sexless marriages once the woman has popped out the first kid. So women being hos leads to no babies, but women having babies leads to sexless marriages and no babies. Are you sure the actual issue here is babies?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 10:58 AM

what a lot of guys conflate with sex is a far more basic human desire for affection, by which I mean intimacy, positive touch, closeness, connection, and warmth, shared with another person. It's hard to fulfill these desires non-homoerotically with other men (because we all conflate it with sex), and the main culturally-accepted source of fulfillment for these desires in straight men is sex with women. You get to the root of the problem right here. Affection and sexual attention are not the same…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 10:54 AM
1

Honestly I do not care
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 10:21 AM
2

Yeah this was before tinder was big, so the reason could have been online dating wasn't a thing yet, but I still know women today who don't get matches
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 08:27 PM
1

The real solution here is to support the strikes and eat the rich
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 08:26 PM
1

Yeah but the reason money comes up in all relationship dilemmas is because we're all fucking poor
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 07:45 PM
1

About 2 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 07:44 PM
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No you're absolutely right, women are also predators sometimes and age gap relationships with much older women are also red flags.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 07:43 PM
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Y'know that's fair. I read your initial comment as putting all the blame on women, but ultimately it's up to all of society working together to shun the assholes.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 07:14 PM
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So many men here legitimately can't understand that some women do not get approached. I tried online dating once and I literally got 0 matches.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 07:08 PM
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I don't actually care about age gap relationships in average society, I pretty much only talk about it here because I have legitimately actually seen men here say they want to keep a woman financially indebted to them
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 07:06 PM
2

Being freaked out and thinking that it's weird are two different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 05:54 PM
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New England, then. Around here, striking up a conversation with a stranger who's just waiting to get their food is not normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 05:49 PM
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No, I haven't, and I would think that's weird. But that's likely a cultural thing and since you said province I'm guessing you're not from the US. I live in northeast US, where casual chat with strangers is just not a thing that's done, unless you're in a social area like a bar. The prevailing mood is that people are in a place of business to do their business and get out. That varies around the US as well, so I'll admit this one might not be strange, but it could also be very strange, depending…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 05:33 PM

I genuinely like hearing from people who think differently than me, as long as they don't start out insulting me. A lot of conversations here seem to open with insults, sadly
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 05:08 PM
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Because we currently live in a society with a wealth gap even wider than the 19th century and there's a minimum income required to basically survive here. It's also extremely hard to get that income on your own when you're young.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 04:58 PM
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Teach your sons not to be abusive, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 04:56 PM
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I'm sure it was to assure us that he would never think of this woman in a sexual way. Because she's fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 04:40 PM
8

How long have you been on Reddit?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 04:17 PM
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Yes of course a woman can be a predator. A woman in her 20s sleeping with an 80 year old millionaire to get in his will is clearly being shady as fuck too. And yeah the relationship can become unhealthy and codependent if one side just wants money and one side just wants sex. The line is drawn when one person is actively coercing the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 04:17 PM
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woke anti-age gap rabble rousers -- are bothered by women having consensual sex with 'the wrong type of men' No, it's that the sex between age gaps is far less likely to be consensual and can attract actual predators. A young woman sleeping with an older man who has no control over her finances or career is fine. A man who explicitly says he wants to control a naive younger woman's income so she's dependent on him is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 03:47 PM
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"nice guy" doesn't mean "guy who is nice" in a discussion like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 03:40 PM
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Honestly you're right. It's similar to the feeling that you'd get if a friend said "hey I'm getting pizza for us" and then venmoed you for half the cost after you'd eaten some. If you'd had all the information, your behavior would have been different. Where it changes is that the friend asking for money doesn't usually then insult you, gaslight you, and increase hostility up to stalking and forcefully taking what he's "owed" from you, which are all things women have to deal with or have been tol…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 03:40 PM
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Your view of normal everyday interactions is missing a lot of information here, and I suspect that the common thread is just you. I remember a girl that was very nervous as I started a conversation with her in a Wendys. Why did you start talking to her? Who starts talking to strangers in a Wendy's? This is literally the time for a sir this is a Wendy's meme. It happened twice to me that two female workers in different occasions called me out for calling them "mom"... I realized that the reason w…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 02:50 PM

Most people don't exist in a complete bubble and only meet people online.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 01:04 PM

I got a 99% chance of finding a partner with that and my "delusion score" said "are you sure you're a woman?"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 12:44 PM
5

I like dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 12:05 PM
3

Looks do matter, but specific appreciation for them varies. For example, I find men with narrow waists/wide hips to be hot. Especially in women's clothing or makeup.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 11:42 AM
2

Remember that various waves of feminism thing? Those waves have different attitudes towards men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 11:39 AM
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Yes because women still deserve to be treated like human beings.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 02:00 AM
2

Well they know when it's a match. If you swipe and don't get that, then that means the app did the approach for you and she said no.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 08:25 PM
5

Equal rights is pandering now?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 08:23 PM
8

Pretty sure that swiping is the approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 08:18 PM
4

Yeah, there's no reason not to share. If he asked me for it out of the blue I'd probably wonder why, but I trust him.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 07:23 PM
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Actually many women do think that version of feminism is outdated and irrelevant, that's why feminism has gone through multiple forms since then.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 07:10 PM
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That's his business and I really don't care what a woman in Asia I've never met decides to do with her life. What I do mind is the guy whining about how much better Asian woman are like he's an old man ranting at a store clerk that he'll never shop there again! No one cares and you're just making yourself look worse by trying to press a point about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 06:53 PM
4

No. My life would be so much easier if that was true.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 06:50 PM
13

If someone doesn't want to date an overweight person, that's fine, don't. There's other people who will. But no one needs to feel pity for you when you complain about being alone if you're voluntarily rejecting some of your options. Especially if you insult those options by loudly and often saying you wouldn't date fat girls. Trust me, fat girls are never interested in the guy who goes around yelling "no fatties!"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 06:47 PM
9

2009 was fourteen years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 06:41 PM
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You don't need to be perfectly happy, but you do need to be content. There's a difference. A partner is not a solution to a problem. A partner is someone who is there beside you, not there for you. If a person isn't able to handle their own shit and have done extra empathy to spare for another person, they just aren't ready for a partner. Also, if you don't even like yourself, why should anyone else? Being lonely is one thing, but equating your self worth to having a partner reflects back into t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 06:39 PM
2

Life doesn't have a set pace. Personally I feel as long as the trajectory of your life is planned to go places, the timeline doesn't matter. You're going for a master's degree, that's hella impressive. And you have a job on top of that. Sounds like you're working hard to secure a future and that's more important than having a flashy life right now. Also the girl saying you should have a high position by now is full of shit. I did everything on the "perfect" timeline - college for four years righ…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 11:28 AM
1

Man B sounds repulsive honestly, no way in hell would I go for that
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 11:17 AM

Ah I see, everything is women's fault, got it
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 11:17 PM
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Probably, but hard to determine which. More time to feel it out could be "I really like this guy but I'm afraid he's going to ditch me if I'm a bad kisser" and so she plays it safe.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 11:15 PM
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Tongues are gross. And when a guy can kiss passionately without just resorting to licking your tonsils, it's a much better kiss. Maybe she's not into the guy because he's going straight to slobbering on her on the first kiss
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 11:11 PM
1

Then women don't have total control if some men have the option to turn them down.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 11:02 PM
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IDK, I'm married because I like my husband
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 09:05 PM
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I mean that's true but I was specifically talking about the women who DO ask out men and get shot down. They're a small subset but they exist. And being ignored isn't really that great for the self esteem either.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 07:20 PM
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Wait so now it's a woman's fault for choosing a man who expressed interest in her if he's out of her league? She deserves to be rejected after he approached in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 05:42 PM
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But according to your logic, since women do the choosing, men are just so desperate they'll go for any woman who approaches. So if they need a woman so badly, why are they turning down the women who do approach them?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 05:18 PM
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If women have complete control, why do ugly or "low value" women ever get shot down or rejected?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 04:40 PM

No. Women have much more important things on their minds than men most of the time. Social media can be about showing off bodies, but it can also be about showing off cute outfits or just sharing pictures because you feel like it. Surprisingly, a woman will still have boobs in every scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 04:25 AM
3

Wow you're projecting more than a movie theater
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 04:26 PM
2

See I know now that a guy could've just been shy but I was also shy and awkward then
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 03:38 PM
5

How far a drive is it to get to any grocery store or place of employment
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 11:42 AM
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The idea is if the guy likes me too, he'll notice if I'm acting different/more outgoing. If he doesn't respond to it, then he doesn't like me enough to notice a difference in my usual behavior. When I flirted I treated the object of my affection waaaaay different than other guys. Practically simping over him, arranging my body to show off my tits at any opportunity, etc. And if he didn't treat me any differently, that to me said that he wasn't interested, because I was being so different from my…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 11:40 AM
5

Do you know what a telephone chat line is
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 11:27 AM
7

Just because you're ignoring your obvious emotional issues doesn't mean they don't exist
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 11:25 AM
2

A lot of very attractive women would not be having sex because BMI is a terrible indicator of health
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 09:14 PM
2

Happened twice. First time, I was told that the plan was to go see a movie with a group of friends and he'd be inviting everyone else. He didn't invite anyone and had told his mom (she was driving, we were teens) that it was a date. Second time, in college I made plans with a male friend to go to a book signing in another city. He insisted on getting dinner first, insisted on paying for it, and tried to hold my hand while we walked. He drove us there and this was before Uber so I was stuck. I ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 08:01 PM
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I want someone who wants me. I don't want to happen to fill the girl shaped hole in their life. I want a true partner, not a man who fills the man shaped hole. I have a vibrator for that. I'm lucky that my husband actually sees me for me and not just convenient. I want to be loved, not useful.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 07:14 PM
4

I can count on one hand how many times I've actually been asked out. The number of times I've been called, harassed, or tricked into a date-like situation though...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 07:11 PM
1

I saw him with another girl the next week.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 07:06 PM
2

I have done it but 90% of the time the guy doesn't realize what I was doing was flirting. With my husband, before we started dating I literally pulled down the collar of my shirt to show him my fancy bra and he didn't understand that was me making a move until years later.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 05:33 PM
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No one goes around asking out ugly girls so it's an ego boost to get noticed even by a person you don't find attractive. Also I don't think girls should be reacting like that either. I have never actually seen a girl do that outside of TV, usually it's more of a "thanks but no thanks" reaction which is perfectly valid. No one needs to be rude in this interaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 12:51 PM
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No one's going to deny it's a nice ego boost for someone to hit on you. The problem comes in when the one approaching can't take rejection graciously. I still remember a guy who came up to me in college and asked me out because he was smooth and charming, and respected me when I said no, I had a boyfriend. He sticks out in my mind far more than any guy who's catcalled me on the street and made me feel unsafe.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 12:04 PM
1

I mean, I already do that if I see another woman being shitty. But if she's reacting badly because a guy is coming off as creepy, there's a decent chance I'm going to read his actions as creepy too, especially if I don't know either of them. You can call me a misandrist for that if you'd like but that's just honestly the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 12:37 AM
1

My dude I can't control the actions of all other women
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 12:07 AM

This really feels like you're saying nerdy and/or promiscuous women do deserve hatred tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 10:00 PM

It's not illegal to be creepy and it shouldn't be. Everyone has freedom of expression and that includes freedom to be weird. But that freedom also extends to the girl calling you creepy. She's allowed to do that too.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 09:40 PM
2

Agreed but I'm pretty sure half of this sub doesn't believe peaceful co-parenting is possible unless you stay forced into a miserable marriage 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 09:38 PM
3

What women need and what children need are different though. Children do need positive male role models, even if not an actual father figure, but the woman is an adult and though she may want what's best for her children, all she needs to do is keep them alive. I'd hope most women are better parents than that, but I'd also hope that most couples producing children are with each other for more than financial reasons
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 05:06 PM
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The men in here don't actually listen to women though
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 05:03 PM
1

I've been with my husband over 10 years. I still very much love him. But I don't love sex anymore, thanks to depression and some physical pains. If he'd been demanding about sex and things I don't wanna do I'd probably have left, but he's really good about listening and compromising. So our sex life now consists of mostly blowjobs because that's easiest on my body and I honestly don't care if I get anything out of it anyways. He's my husband, I like making him happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 11:50 AM
2

Absolutely wild how many men in here think friendship is transactional
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 11:39 AM
1

Do you keep score with your male friends too?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 11:33 AM
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I'm sorry you hate yourself. You don't deserve that either.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 11:19 AM
1

You're putting a lot of words in my mouth there. I never said anything about gender roles or whose responsibility it is to turn the conversation to flirty/sexual, I actually do think it should be on both genders. My point was just that I hear a lot that "women hate autistic men" and that's just not true. Women have the capability to be understanding when they have the chance to understand the situation but they don't often let themselves get to that state because of the constant fear that societ…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 09:41 PM
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I wonder if a similar question were posed to the men here how chill those responses would be
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 06:04 PM

Oh, please show me the science on this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 05:34 PM
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One of my best friends is a hetero guy. We've been friends for over a decade, we're both into weird niches like cartoons and horror movies, and he's just easy to talk to. He's never shown interest in me and I've never been interested in him. He's known me since before I started dating my now-husband, and he's close friends with my husband as well now. I help wingman for him sometimes because he is a great guy and I know he'd treat any girl right, but usually when we hang out we're just talking a…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 05:12 PM
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I'm gonna be honest: turning a conversation flirty or sexual has to be done with a level of finesse that if done incorrectly will make the recipient feel uncomfortable or even unsafe. I recognize this is a LOT harder for autistic people, and I'm sorry. I don't have the answer. I'm nowhere near qualified to give one. It's not impossible for you to find love, though. Recognize the problem isn't women hating you for being autistic. It's that you're accidentally giving off the same signals that legi…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 12:06 PM
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By that same logic an obedient woman is an obedient child. Are all men secretly pedophiles?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 11:43 AM
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That's why you end up with people saying "if you don't respect me, I won't respect you" when they mean "if you don't obey me, I won't treat you with human decency". I don't think many people are consciously trying to create the perfect partner but probably a bunch are willing to look past the red flags and things they know they dislike until one day they suddenly aren't. Honeymoon phase has ended and they've gotta decide if they're mature enough to deal with these things, or if they whine and ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 08:43 PM
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People get deluded into thinking they're so amazing that their partner will definitely want to change to match their views, even when all available evidence says otherwise. And then sometimes people get angry that their partner isn't meeting these never spoken expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 08:35 PM
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Usually if someone denies the holocaust you don't wanna fuck them
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 09:43 PM
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You never need to do anything that makes you uncomfortable. However, your partner's needs have to be considered as well. There's nothing stopping you from just telling her no and not explaining why, but that leaves her to draw her own conclusions, which could be unflattering for you. You'd do much better to explain why you don't like giving oral and finding a compromise that works with your partner. Making sure your partner's needs are met doesn't mean bowing to their every whim. It means hearin…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 09:42 PM

How so? Seems to me like it's just women saying their experiences
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 03:03 PM
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These groups are the vetting and policing system that women use to check if a guy is a jerk or a cheater. Plenty of dudes are bad at relationships but not bad enough to do anything illegal, so seeking other women with experience is how one can know. How would you propose an objective database of what is truly subjective behavior?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 11:27 AM
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Well you don't seem to understand women very well, as you accuse an entire gender baselessly
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 02:06 PM
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Have you ever spoken to a woman in reality
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 01:55 PM
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You've never tried to get a job with a significant gap in your resume, have you?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 05:04 PM
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It's not the belly that's turning me off, it's the steroids.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 11:12 AM
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No, because there aren't outside factors preventing a man from doing chores. A person who's been out of work for a while has a significantly more difficult time finding a new job, and money is an absolute necessity to survive in this current economy. Anyone can do their own laundry. If not, they won't be living on the streets if their clothes stink a bit
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 11:04 AM
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omg don't shame my kinkshaming fetish If you're serious though, fetishes are fine as long as your partner consents to crying
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 02:01 AM
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I disagree that women are a hive mind but your logic makes no sense anyways. People swayed by trends don't have functional control over what those trends are. No matter what informed women have over each other, I guarantee you we did not all sit down together and go "okay so we're only liking the 6 foot plus guys this decade right?" Attraction is partially innate and partially influenced by outside sources. It's still not something consciously decided either way. Women don't choose who we find a…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 01:50 AM
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Do you like historical fiction? Phillipa Gregory has a lot of romance books about nobility in mostly the Tudor era, with graphic smut scenes, and teenage me hoarded these books like teenage boys would hoard porn
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 10:14 PM
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Honestly I'm completely in favor of this. I'm always open to talking about my experiences but there's not really a good place to go "I HAVE SEX REGULARLY AMA" without sounding weird af The times on this sub when I do actually get to have open and honest discussion are genuinely really fulfilling.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 10:11 PM
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They're also not realistic, just more focused on women's fantasies
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 10:07 PM

Highly depends on the woman, but generally women have lower sex drives yeah I do hate sex with most men, personally, but I have a low libido.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 10:04 PM

Sex IS work. It's a physical activity taking time and effort, and many women don't even get orgasms out of it. Plus, it's an incredibly vulnerable act both physically and emotionally. Why would we want to give that away to random men? It's better to build a relationship with someone and grow to trust them so that you know the act of sex is going to be mutually beneficial and enjoyable. Yeah there are women who like casual sex. I get it but that doesn't change the fact that it is a physical activ…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 09:34 PM
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Probably, but reality is messy and unexpected shit happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 09:19 PM
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I believe alimony amounts should be lessened every year. It's understandable that a housewife would need time to get back on her feet and into a career path, but there's no reason she should count on a specific amount of support for the rest of her life. That's more than she'd possibly get if she stayed married! So yeah, lessening amounts each year until the support dries up and she's handling herself. No pulling out the rug from under her, no taking advantage forever. If it's written otherwise …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 08:30 PM

You're really so hardwired to hate women that when one is saying "actually yeah women are wrong here", you're still accusing me of lying? Okay good luck with your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 08:08 PM
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More silly than disturbing in my mind. I'm imagining women in traditional peasant garb hauling baskets from tree to tree, squeezing the hanging nuts to see if the sperm is ripe
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 07:52 PM
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The ick happens because a man says or does something irredeemably gross, like calls a waitress "sweetheart" or compares his lover to his mom. Being a human person with emotions doesn't usually cause that. I'll concede it does happen, because some women are immature. Which is why I'm saying men don't need to change in this regard. Women need to grow up and handle the fact that men are sad sometimes. If you're content with being with an immature woman then by all means hide away your emotions and …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 07:39 PM
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You're the one assigning complex motives to women. Sometimes women just wanna have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 07:29 PM
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More adapted to live in society instead of being a stubborn caveman obsessed with spreading his genes?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 06:54 PM
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I don't think you'd need to gush about other girls exactly. Just don't lie if you're asked, hey are you seeing other people too
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 06:31 PM
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It's only problematic if you lead these dates to believe that you're not dating others at the same time
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 06:21 PM
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Protecting isn't always physical. I'm not as strong as my husband, and I appreciate when he walks on the street side of the sidewalk just in case, or holds my hand if we're in a shady area. But at the same time, I know his mouth can get him into trouble, so I'm often the one on the phone handling when he's got complaints with the landlord or a bad Amazon shipment or something. I'm protecting him from trouble, even if it isn't physical harm. Also sometimes the best way you can protect someone is …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 06:11 PM
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The phrase "sperm harvesting" has me laughing so hard. When it's that time of the month, gotta go pick the fresh dick fruit!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 06:07 PM
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Women are also capable of making dumb choices without being actively malicious
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 06:05 PM
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I would be okay with exes talking about me, but showing off sex tapes/nudes is a vastly different scenario. I wouldn't want to see that from other women either, when there's visuals that is definitely crossing a line.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 04:37 PM
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we can sit here and pretend that women love it and find it sexy when a man shows his emotion Do y'all think women need to find a man sexy 100% of the time to ever have sex with him? No one is sexy while crying. If you think a crying woman is a sexy sight, that's your problem. I've seen my husband go through dark mental times and some bad shit in his life. Sometimes I'm the only one available for him to talk to about it. I'd much rather see him cry and vent than see him hurt himself. Women are ta…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 11:23 AM
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I guess this really depends on your definition of gossip. they also talk about their boyfriends bedroom skills or talk bad about their exs in a very detailed way. As a woman, this doesn't count as gossip to me. This is normal talk. Intimate details are fine to share as long as they're yours to share, and once a relationship ends, your ex doesn't get a say on the details of your past. Current relationships are different. You don't want to disrespect your man if they don't want to be talked about.…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 11:11 AM
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No woman I know would sleep with a conservative person because why would they sleep with someone who hates them
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 11:02 AM
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If they don’t want their partner to dress provocatively while in the relationship, that fits the definition of a boundary. Yes it does. They can enforce that boundary by leaving the relationship. What they can't do is say they want a specific person to dress the way they'd like, because then that's just imposing their will on another. I don't like smokers. I told my husband that if he ever started smoking cigarettes, I'd leave. Am I preventing him from smoking? No, he can do what he wants. I'm j…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 11:45 PM
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Dude I was reading other answers to this thread, you're not that special. You can be smug all you want but you're so fucking wrong it's hilarious
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 09:42 PM
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How does he know he hates it if he never tried it?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 09:40 PM
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The problem is also that people tend to be pretty set in their ways and won't bother looking for these niches. Like, knitting and sewing are primarily female-led hobbies with active and thriving communities, but if you dare suggest a guy even just try picking up a needle to see if he might possibly like the activity he could meet girls at... No it's better to just keep whining that there aren't enough girl gamers
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 09:30 PM
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You're doing very badly at it
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 08:38 PM

By not too unhealthy you mean not fat, right? Just be honest
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 08:35 PM
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His time is not more valuable than mine just based on how much he earns. Everyone gets the same amount of time. One hour is one hour whether you're at an office or doing dishes. And those hours are what lead to measurable consequences of exhaustion and pain. Small differences are one thing, but there is never any reason for one person in a relationship to be exhausted from upkeep while the other sees the partner they supposedly love in pain and doesn't care to do a thing to help them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 06:46 PM

How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 06:41 PM
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So you really think it's okay for one person in a relationship to do nothing all day, and the other to work a full time job and do all the chores just because they might make less money? Money is really the most important thing to you, isn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 06:22 PM
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Imagine openly saying you're better as a white person in 2023 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 04:58 PM
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Where can you sell dandelions online for that much?? Serious question, there's tons of forest/fields around here and I don't know shit about foraging
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 04:56 PM
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1% of money is not necessarily equal to 1% of chores. Yes it is. They're both required to survive. They're both necessary. Just because one is paid and one is unpaid doesn't mean they're unequal. I don't care if my partner is making more or less than me. I care about how hard he works and how much effort he puts into keeping the household alive. It needs to be equal to my effort. If he spends 5 minutes a day playing with crypto or stocks, but expects me to do a full 8 hours work and likely 3-4 h…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 04:52 PM
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Then that makes less work for both of us, so he's still contributing.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 04:31 PM
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If he has passive income then cool, he can game all he wants. I expect that the amount of work to be done evenly though. If it takes 60 hours to earn enough money to survive and 20 hours to keep the household thriving each week, then each partner should be doing 40 hours. If he has enough money to lower the amount of hours that either of us need to do, by hiring maids or getting passive income so he can earn and clean in the same hour, that's great! But the actual amount of work should be divide…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 04:29 PM
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Okay well who do you expect to pay for rent and food as well as cook and clean? Should all of that be on your partner? I agree that capitalism sucks but it's reality. It takes work to survive. Keeping two people alive takes twice the work, so it should be shared among both people. When you revolt because you don't agree, all you're actually doing is pushing your share of the work onto someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 02:01 PM
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Don't sit around and play video games all day basically. There's always work to be done to either earn money for the household or do upkeep for the household. The balance of money/upkeep can shift depending on circumstances, but the amount of work should be 50-50.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 12:59 PM
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In twenty years, a person should have at least started to undo their trauma.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 10:43 AM
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What does your race and height have to do with anything
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 10:38 AM

Why do you need that second bucket though
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 10:20 AM

You can still feel sexual attraction without lusting after a person. It's not a binary state
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 03:07 AM
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You could have just ignored it, you know. No reason to be rude.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 01:45 AM
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Bruh taking a girl's virginity doesn't make you special. I literally forgot what the first dude I was with looked like, and I've only been with 2
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 01:39 AM
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Soooo... What is important to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 10:37 PM
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Ups and downs. Sometimes we just don't have sex for a few weeks and then suddenly have a period of going at it like rabbits. His sex drive is higher than mine but I'm happy to give without receiving if I'm not in the mood, unless I'm genuinely in pain or something. If he feels like he's genuinely not getting enough, we talk and refocus together.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 10:28 PM
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My dad is what so many people would call a simp for my mom but to me, it's clear he really loves her. He was a stay at home dad so he was my main role model and I learned that love is caring for another person. Arguments happen, but can be resolved with talking things out and honest communication. You put your partner's needs on the same level as your own. Now this did fuck me up in other ways - I was taught too enable my mom's anxiety, and expect my anxiety in turn to be enabled. I had to break…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 10:05 PM
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True but most of those men don't worry about it to the degree they'd consider lying to women
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 09:36 PM
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Yeah, most people, but I swear some people on this sub don't know how to talk to other human beings so the bar is not set high
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 09:24 PM
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Yeah I thought that would be clear but I guess not. Yes of course the one person would find you attractive, that is part of love.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 09:21 PM
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I never said anything about my standards here, if you find someone that you think is a quality person by your standards then good for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 09:19 PM
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Because unattractive guys don't leave women alone
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 08:20 PM

Also my dude it's spelled advice
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 07:52 PM

If you only accept advice from one perspective, you'll never be able to see flaws. I never claimed to understand the male perspective, but most interpersonal experiences have multiple perspectives to them. How do you expect to get the attention of a woman if you treat them as completely foreign?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 07:51 PM

Because honestly, I do think my experience of being a woman gives me more insight into the female nature than men's experience of trying to date women. I'm not trying to give advice on how to land a date, I'm debating what I see as reality. If it helps anyone, I'd hope it helps some people snap out of a toxic mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 07:21 PM
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Any guy who starts conversation with "I've totally slept with a lot of girls" is probably not getting laid that night, no matter if it's true or not. Why are you even bringing this up to a woman unless she asked?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 07:15 PM
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The only thing that bothers me is I can tell being unemployed is hurting him. He's just as important to me no matter how much money he brings in, but being unable to work is eating at his self esteem. If he was perfectly happy being at home all day, I'd be fine with it. It would be difficult financially, we don't have much for savings and the time he spends not working has to be devoted to helping with budget and meal planning. But so far it's working and if he were truly happy continuing that, …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 07:10 PM
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He's extremely kind, the type of guy who will give you the shirt off his back. He makes friends easily, I'm constantly awed at how he can walk into a place and just casually greet people like he's known them forever. He cares about me a lot, and he shows it through little things like making me a quesadilla with tortillas made from scratch because I was craving a quesadilla one night and we were out of tortillas. He's smart, he understands technology way better than I do. He's funny, we have so m…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 05:16 PM

good behaviour doesn't usually create attraction out of thin air You're correct there. It can happen, but it's rare. Unless you do indeed believe autistic men are much more likely to display misogynistic or offensive behaviour I don't believe that at all! I believe misogynists can be anywhere on the spectrum, it's wholly unrelated. What I do believe is that men who hold harmful views and also happen to be autistic tend to use their autism as a shield from any criticism. These particular men can …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 04:31 PM

It's because shitty behavior literally kills attraction. Someone can be hot but if they're an awful person, there is no attraction there
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 03:09 PM
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Not in this conversation, no, but many times in this sub people have pointed out that double standard
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 03:07 PM
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not telling is very different from lying. If a guy says "yeah I've fucked x women" then he's coming off as a douchebag whether or not he's lying about it. Lying is just an extra level of douche. Leaving the topic alone entirely is a completely normal thing. Past is past.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 02:08 PM
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So how is a man aiming to sleep with as many women as possible as often as possible not a slut then?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 02:06 PM
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How about he mentions he's a virgin if she mentions her body count. That seem fair? Why is past experience coming up at all? Why is he telling her anything about whether he's had sex or not? It's gross either way. Yeah, if they're discussing pasts, they should both be honest, but why do you think this is a topic that would come up when you're first getting with someone??
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 02:05 PM
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This comment literally made me shudder in disgust so thank you for that, ugh. Women are definitely not looking to "explore their kinks" just because some dude has had sex before. Women prefer to do that with men they've personally had experience with that they trust. A guy who sleeps with different women every night is showing he can't be trusted, so why would anyone want to try new things with him? If you don't care about seeing women as human beings then yeah, your strategy works. Congrats, yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 01:19 PM
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And yet women are called the sluts 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 12:52 PM
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Your approach will get you sex exactly once and then you'll be labeled a douche for lying. But hey if all you want is the sex and you don't actually care about how you affect other people, go for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 12:39 PM
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If he starts with shit like slapping, spitting, or choking without talking about it first, then he's either gotten all his ideas from porn or is an abusive asshole. Either way, not interested. Also lying would be worse than just being bad at sex. Don't do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 12:16 PM
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Good men literally never describe themselves as "nice". Because those are very different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 11:23 AM
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Me lying on my side, husband straddling one leg and holding the other up so he can control angle/tightness for himself. Fun for us both
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 11:13 AM

Social competence isn't the same thing as "don't be autistic". Many women agree that one of THE hottest things a guy can do is talk about something he's passionate about, because of the way his face will light up and he'll be super into it and it's just an amazing look at what makes this guy tick. A well adjusted woman will be able to handle understanding that sometimes, people have trouble with eye contact or touch, or don't understand subtleties. Everyone's a little quirky, so what? What's cre…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 11:11 AM
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I try to get sex on the cheap, take her to a cheap drinks date then invite home Honestly this could be at the most expensive bar in the world and it still sounds like a super shitty date
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 10:55 AM
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I don't think you understand what I mean by still working. I consider him doing the homework to be work. If this became permanent, I'd stay with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 10:48 AM
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Yeah, if this became permanent I'd be fine with it. I love my job and I love him.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 03:01 AM
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Absolutely. I have that relationship. My husband doesn't work. He's fully capable but has been out of work for months due to some legal troubles. We're lucky that I make enough to cover all our expenses. He manages all the cooking and 90% of the cleaning, and honestly, he's amazing at it! He takes care of himself physically and mentally, takes care of me, does most of the errands, and altogether just holds us together. He spends a lot of time playing video games, sure, but he's still working. Ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 01:30 AM
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Right?? How dare people need two incomes to support a family these days, omg
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 11:19 PM

This is a whole ass thesaurus's worth of words to say you want girls who rejected you to end up alone and bitter because you can't get over the rejection
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 09:40 PM
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What use does believing this bring you? Why does it matter to you if women don't understand men's motivations?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 06:05 PM
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If you're suicidal, you can't fix that by having a girlfriend. That's a much deeper issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 03:55 AM
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That's good! But I'm afraid one more person in your circle is not likely to fix your level of loneliness if your friends already aren't helping. That's more of an internal problem my dude
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 03:48 AM
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Wow you spent way too much energy on caring about me lol
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 03:47 AM
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You came in here hostile to me, bucko. I'm just matching your energy. You have no interest in actually debating me, you just want me to be defensive. I'm too chill to repeat myself tho ✌️
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 02:58 AM
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Yes, finding a partner and finding friends are two different things. You shouldn't be expecting your partner to fill the void of friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 02:55 AM
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"The red pill" is so vague it's impossible to define what teachings are part of it and what aren't because people who claim to follow it will argue that all day. Bottom line though, yes, there are people who say that this sort of shit is a great idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 02:46 AM
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I'm sorry did you just roleplay with yourself to try to make fun of me? Just making sure I read that right.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 02:44 AM
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Before you can go to work, you need to put on pants. That doesn't mean wearing pants helps you work, it means it's a basic necessity to achieve your goal.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 02:43 AM
1

Do you not talk to your friends when you don't see them??
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 01:52 AM
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I'm sorry that you haven't had good friendships, but I'm sure you'll find people who truly get you someday.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 01:45 AM
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I'll admit to not knowing what I'm talking about with the programming stuff, but I'm in two ttrpg groups and I know of at least 4 stores nearby that offer weekly magic/d&d/wargaming nights. You can form groups online to play as well. Offline games still exist and are thriving.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 10:04 PM
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Meetup. Friends app, not a dating app. Wasn't looking to date, but we clicked.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 07:55 PM
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You have no idea what my life is like, actually. I do think it goes both ways, women without friends shouldn't rely on a man to fulfill all their social needs. One person shouldn't be responsible for another person's entire mental state. You're the only one who brought up murder, bro. Are you all right??
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 07:39 PM
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I never said it would help you meet women. I'm saying friendship is an important part of living and shouldn't be overlooked in favor of only having a relationship, because you'll still be missing out and lonely.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 07:28 PM
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My husband is closer to his friends than his own brothers. These are important people.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 07:02 PM
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That's really good for you. I wish more men felt the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 07:01 PM
1

I'm not arguing against any of that. I'm saying having a relationship but no friends would also be lonely and harmful.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 07:00 PM
1

That's a clever way to get people to watch your YouTube
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 06:59 PM
1

I sincerely hope you are able to find what you need to fulfill your needs. If my advice doesn't seem to fit, you're free to ignore it. I'm a rando on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 06:23 PM
1

I'm sorry you haven't had good experiences with friends, but men can absolutely form deep bonds of friendship with other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 06:10 PM
1

I don't understand why you would want less companionship in your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 06:03 PM
1

Why don't you want friends? What's wrong with having both?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 05:56 PM
1

How do you propose you'll find one?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 05:52 PM
0

There's a huge difference between a legitimate crisis and being lonely, though. I'm saying a partner won't solve all problems of loneliness.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 05:51 PM
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You know that's fair. As long as someone can acknowledge they need to solve multiple problems with multiple solutions, order matters less I suppose
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 05:48 PM
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Over time, yeah, it absolutely can. It doesn't fade for everyone, or at the same rate, but sex drives do go down with age.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 05:47 PM
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I just wanna help people. :/ But I do put my own mental health first. Can't put out a fire if you're also burning.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 04:51 PM
1

I'm a bi woman, for the record
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 04:48 PM
2

I understand that there's a subset of people here who really will only be happy if they get an assigned wife who is completely subservient to them, but that won't stop me from trying to make at least one person see there's other options. Maybe the person I talk to won't change, but the lurker reading the comments could.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 04:44 PM
1

And that's fine, nothing wrong with casual sex with people who are into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 04:41 PM
1

That's literally what I'm saying? A lot of men seem to expect that a girlfriend will fill the social/friendship need as well as a romantic/sexual companion. It's two problems, people need two solutions.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 04:28 PM
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I'm also neurodivergent. I know it isn't easy. I've left social events in tears because I was convinced I'd done something to make everyone hate me. You just can't let that stop you. It's hard to recognize social cues, but not impossible. Giving up won't get you anywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 04:26 PM
2

Quality is better than quantity.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 04:24 PM
0

Agreed! No one's asking you to be the best in the world, but if you don't even like yourself, why should any potential partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 04:10 PM
2

That's sad, honestly. Many adults have healthy friendships.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 04:05 PM
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A lot of women in this very thread have expressed being upset at being the sole social connection for a partner. If your girlfriend is happy, then that's good for you, you've found someone very compatible. But you may want to be aware that she's in a position many other women would find uncomfortable.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 03:56 PM
2

I'm glad you're happy, but how does your girlfriend feel?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 03:48 PM
1

Dude, chill. Women can definitely be shallow, but that doesn't mean confidence and personality don't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 03:48 PM
1

Asking someone their job is just normal conversation because that's what normal adults spend a large part of their day doing
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 03:44 PM
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Yeah I would say that's also true. For most people, if you like yourself, you'll naturally find someone you can call a friend just by existing in society.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 03:42 PM
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Hey if you like being single, then you're probably not complaining about loneliness anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 03:35 PM
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That's great, sounds like you're past what many people here complain about. I'm not saying you don't have troubles, but my thoughts are more aimed at the people who are completely alone, often with severe anxiety/depression, and expect one woman to be their entire social circle. I don't know how to fix your troubles. I'm sorry you have them. I'm glad that you have friends you can rely on, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 03:32 PM
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You've worked to improve your personality and confidence, and become more successful that way. I'm sure your friends helped with your self esteem as well. Unless you introduce yourself to women with your salary, what you make doesn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 03:28 PM
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If you're not lonely, then that's good for you. Alone time is something to be appreciated. But there are many people on this sub who complain about loneliness. One person can help with loneliness, but when it's at the level of soul crushing pain that people here often describe, one single person existing around you is not a solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 03:27 PM
1

And you likely have more meaningful friendships with those 3 than superficial relationships you call friends, so you're able to handle your emotions more maturely.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 03:18 PM
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Oof that is a lot. I haven't seen one of my best friends in person in 3 months but she's still my friend, shit just gets busy. If you can still talk to a person, you can stay friends. I have no idea where all this "no one has time for friends" that everyone is saying is coming from. Liking yourself is the first step to making good social relationships of course, but they can go hand in hand. My friends did help with my depression, but I had to get to the point I was comfortable enough to talk to…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 03:14 PM
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You can't control when bad shit happens and you need support. What if your partner is at work? What if she isn't able to support you at that moment because of her own emotions? If you're hurt and she's hurt more, who takes care of you? If your "partner's" not there for at time like that because they have "their own life," then it's a crappy relationship. You're not asking for them to be with you all the time, sure, but you are asking them to be "on call" constantly.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 03:06 PM
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It would have to be something catastrophic like the Titanic sinking or 500 people dying in a fiery plane crash for a lot of men to tolerate a male friend crying in public. I never said in public, but if you can't get emotional while hanging out with a bud at a private home and opening up about any trauma in your past, then who can you truly open up to?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 03:03 PM
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Yeah, that's probably a better way to have phrased what I meant. I just know I don't have the bandwidth to argue it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 03:02 PM
2

Well yeah friends should want to help you better yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 03:01 PM
2

Well, women don't generally have this problem because we figured out the solution. If you don't want to listen because you don't want to do anything women do, then that's on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 02:44 PM
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True, no one really wants another person around 24/7. But there seems to be this idea that a girlfriend will be available all the time anyways. That she'll live with you and just exist to take care of you when you feel lonely. That's not how it works. She might be having her own emotional problems when your loneliness hits. She might not physically be there, maybe she works or is with her friends. No one can control when their emotions hit, but many people act like a girlfriend existing means sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 02:41 PM
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Cool that's your experience then. Some women want or need time away from their partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 02:26 PM
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Fair. Getting a partner fixes one emotional problem. That's still not all of them. It's entirely possible to still feel lonely and depressed even if you're having regular sex. I see the issue here as people tend to generalize all their loneliness and depression as being unwanted romantically. Feeling so alone you want to unalive is so much more complex than just romantic or sexual companionship missing, and honestly it's a lot of pressure to put on one woman to repair all of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 02:26 PM
2

Like what?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 02:08 PM
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Yeah then that is an actual problem affecting your life. You need help. If someone needed alcohol to be able to function in normal life, they'd be called an alcoholic. Your vice/addiction is just a different one .
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 02:08 PM
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I'm glad that you're happy. But too many people are so desperate to fix their loneliness that they try to force a girl into being that sole solution when that's not her personality. Yes, there are some women like that out there, but if you're set on that, your choices are wait, or find other avenues to fix loneliness. Not get angry that other women don't fit that mold.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 01:56 PM
1

I'm an introvert actually. I made the effort because I didn't like being lonely.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 01:51 PM
2

Are you able to hold a job or have hobbies without thinking about sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 01:51 PM
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My dude I'm in my 30s with a group of friends. We have an active group chat for when we can't see each other physically, and twice weekly game nights that are combination in person/over discord depending on who can make it that week. It works because we all put in the effort because we all care. If you can't be friends without physically seeing a person that sounds like you've got problems with object permanence
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 01:40 PM
2

Just because it's not recognized as a disorder doesn't mean therapy can't help.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 01:38 PM
2

How do your friends respond to your venting?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 01:27 PM
2

Okay that sounds like an actual obsession and you may need professional help. Most people are not thinking of sex 24/7 and most guys even here are offended by the accusation of it. If that's actually all you can focus on, please get some help so you can be happier.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 01:26 PM
2

Different types of loneliness sure, but many people expect a woman to fix both of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 01:24 PM
2

Have you ever hugged a family member? Intimacy with friends feels more like that. It's not a replacement for sexual intimacy but it's also needed, and one woman can't provide both types.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 01:23 PM
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Those are pretty shallow relationships then. Solid friends will understand when you need time alone
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 12:46 PM
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Yeah, the number of friends varies by person, but having friends in general is important.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 12:45 PM
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Yes, but the desire for sex is not the same thing as loneliness. People keep conflating them, which is why they expect one magical girl to fix everything. Friends can fix the loneliness, which better equips you to handle the sexlessness.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 12:30 PM
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Constant companionship, no, but if you rely on only one person, you're going to have times when you feel lonely but your partner wants to be alone. Whose needs are more important then?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 12:18 PM
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They can though? This happens all the time? https://www.ahrq.gov/patients-consumers/patient-involvement/off-label-drug-usage.html#:~:text=Off%2Dlabel%20prescribing%20is%20when,practice%20is%20legal%20and%20common.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 03:18 AM
1

I'm gonna guess because you're not attracted to men
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 03:12 AM
3

False, I've been with him over 10 years
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 12:11 AM
9

The last conversation I had with another woman was about what possum gif was cuter. It's definitely not always men. And honestly, we know men have other interests too.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 11:24 PM
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People keep saying this and I keep on loving my husband even when he's without a job. Doesn't compute for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 11:11 PM
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People keep saying this and I keep on loving my husband even when he's without a job. Doesn't compute for me
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 11:11 PM
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I'm sorry if that's all you think means love. There's a lot more in my view.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 11:03 PM
6

That's really sweet, I'm happy for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 10:47 PM
1

I'm literally only talking about myself, and any hypothetical women in my situation. I got older and depressed and my sex drive went down. I still think my husband's hot. The end.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 10:40 PM
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Then don't date a low sex drive woman. No one's forcing you to, and other men's choices have no effect on you. I'm way hornier for my husband than anyone else, but I started from a very low place.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 09:39 PM
9

There's ways to show love besides sex
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 09:22 PM
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Well he's not on this subreddit so yeah he probably is smarter than me
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 07:53 PM
4

I believe I know my husband a bit better than you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 07:19 PM
7

I don't want anyone else. That's why I married my husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 07:18 PM
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Because I love him. He's attractive to me because of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 05:43 PM
2

What in the world are you talking about
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 05:03 PM
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Not exactly, there's just more important things than sex after a while. My husband is still ridiculously attractive to me, but sex isn't on our minds when rent is due and he has no job.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 04:36 PM
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Lower sex drive is one reason. Another is that lust isn't a constant feeling, it fades, but companionship and love are still strong.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 03:30 PM
4

Or under the boobs, even warmer if you've got bigger girls!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 12:21 AM
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Oh yeah I definitely do that all the time. They're squishy and right there, so why not
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 08:25 PM
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I wish guys understood that while there are some things that are universal among women, we're not all the same and acting like you need A Woman, Any Woman is actually kind of hurtful. Are you interested in a girl who's just out for any dick she can find? As for what I want to know, honestly: how annoying is it to have to deal with your genital bits just hanging around all the time? Do they get in the way? How can pants possibly be comfortable? Do you ever swing it around in a circle just for fun…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 08:19 PM
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Well that's why I don't consider myself submissive. If I don't agree on a visceral level, I don't trust him above that. So that's when we talk and come to a compromise together. If he broke my trust, then yeah he's shown the potential to be trustworthy, but also the potential to make bad decisions, so why would I continue to trust him above my own judgement? I literally put my life in his hands when I'm impaired, so not having that trust would be so terrifying I don't think I could handle it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 07:18 PM
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Cool. Then you can be alone and wonder why no one will marry you when you're so honest. Lambos don't sustain a relationship. Healthy communication does. And healthy communication doesn't include ultimatums. If you found a girl who agreed to this shit I guarantee she's at least emotionally cheating
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 10:26 AM
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If you genuinely can't be around men with their wives/girlfriends and still not have the men look at you sexually, then hon the problem might be you. I had a terrible argument with my friend a few months ago because she thought I was intentionally trying to draw attention to myself when we went out with her boyfriend. This had to come from somewhere. She already has her boyfriend, supposedly she trusted you as a friend before knowing what you apparently always look like, so jealousy out of thin …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 10:17 AM
2

Fair enough, being kinky doesn't mean someone automatically understands consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 06:36 PM
4

Two people cover the share for two people. Suddenly one person is covering the entire cost for two people and the freeloader thinks that's not a problem. You don't see how that would cause issues, regardless of gender? If I quit my job and sat on my ass all day I'd expect my husband to be mad about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 05:57 PM
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That makes sense, but that's not what I would consider submissive. If a man says he wants a submissive woman, I'm hearing that he wants her to trust his judgement without question. If she's allowed to question, or walk away if she finds the relationship incompatible, then I don't feel there's inherent authority of one partner over the other, and honestly that's much healthier.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 05:51 PM
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I trust my husband but I wouldn't let that trust override my self preservation instincts. But then again, I'm not submissive.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 05:36 PM
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How, in your opinion, should a submissive woman react if she disagrees and feels that shorter path is more dangerous?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 05:11 PM
23

Kinksters tend to have a better understanding of consent than mainstream folk too
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 05:10 PM
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I think people confuse agreeable with submissive. From the outside, I can look submissive to my husband. I do what he says a lot of the time. But it's not because he says to do it. I'm making the choice to listen to him, on my own, each time. He cares about my well being and I trust him to make good decisions, but that doesn't mean my own judgement is entirely gone. Sometimes I rely on him because my judgement is gone, like when my mental issues are acting up, and that's where the trust comes in…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 05:04 PM
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Good. Wives aren't prisoners and men don't deserve absolute authority just on the virtue of being men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 03:27 PM
2

It's not the same thing. To maintain the household income, the woman must now work harder. She didn't choose this, but she's the one suffering while he takes a break he didn't earn. It's not about the money, it's the unilateral choice to make her do more work because he thinks he doesn't "need" to find a job. If a man is laid off and chooses to live off severance for a bit, that's different, but leaving the workplace and not planning to go back isn't about the money, it's about now he's expectin…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 01:22 PM
2

Where are you hearing women say they'll leave a man if he lost his job? That's not a common phenomenon as far as I'm aware. On the other hand, I do see men getting laid off, not even bothering to look for another job, unilaterally deciding they deserve a "break" from working, and then getting dumped over that. Then they complain that they've been dumped for losing their job when that's definitely not the actual reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 11:07 AM
2

I'm putting the blame on the men who actively defend their "right" to chase after girls who could be their own daughters.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 04:40 PM
3

I'm sorry, I didn't realize women weren't allowed to voice their opinions anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 04:30 PM
11

A freshly dumped woman is more likely to be on the rebound seeking a replacement, but over time that ex will just be an ex and not that important.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 04:28 PM
6

In the Real World women are very much dependent on men. If they want to start a family, own a home, have savings, be able to retire, not live in poverty. They need a man for those things. Don't you live off of your wife's money?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 04:27 PM
6

Man you really wanna fuck a child don't you
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 04:21 PM
3

Personally? Because I'm more empathetic to the women. Can't speak for everyone tho
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 04:08 PM
4

That's projecting pretty hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 04:06 PM
2

I care about other women and don't want them to get hurt by predatory men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 04:02 PM
6

Why exactly are they more enjoyable?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 04:02 PM
2

Agreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 04:01 PM
2

Some women are different and like that. They're not indicative of all women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 04:01 PM
3

They can make mistakes, you're a predator for intentionally capitalizing on those mistakes for your own benefit
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 03:59 PM
5

No
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 03:46 PM
6

Because a man with value would actually give a shit about the women he dates beyond how hot they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 03:36 PM
5

Saying it's creepy isn't dictating anything. People are allowed to make bad choices and other people are allowed to judge them for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 03:32 PM
1

Hon, you're a predator.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 03:30 PM
3

Then that is not a high value man anyways, and not one that women would be competing over according to your logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 03:17 PM
2

Denying and accusing me of drama. What's next, gonna ask if I'm on my period?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 03:12 PM
4

I'm not judging the women here. Most of the young women these men pursue are likely going to be smart enough to tell these guys to fuck off. I'm judging the men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 03:12 PM

Very few women actively seek out already married men because why the fuck would they
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 03:10 PM
5

It's legitimate concern. How many times do women have to tell you this before you believe them? People are allowed to be concerned about strangers.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 03:09 PM
3

Have you considered not all women against age gap relationships are even looking for a man
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 03:08 PM
2

I'm aware that there are some women who like older men. I don't see them defending age gap relationships though. It's always men who want younger, more easily influenced girls who are the loudest proponents.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 03:04 PM

I saw it in high school. Although since some of those girls are 18 I suppose that counts as "women" to the pedos here.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 03:02 PM
8

There is some other reason: concern for younger women and a desire to prevent them from making life altering mistakes.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 02:59 PM
5

Why does the 30 year old man want a woman barely out of college with no real life experience? How is she going to be a good companion for him?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 02:57 PM

I guarantee I have more experience with women than you
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 02:55 PM
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Older men preying on younger girls is not a new trend, it's just more recently that women have more of a platform to speak up about how awful it is. I'm not over 35, but I'm old enough to be one of the "bitter" old women. Gen z culture doesn't apply when you're telling me what my generation thinks.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 02:54 PM
6

Where are you seeing 70 year old women going for young guys??
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 02:50 PM
6

Typical male response, you don't agree with my perspective, you claim I'm lying about what I actually experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 02:46 PM
5

That is such a weird ass gif. Age gaps change with age. 24 and 18 are at very different stages in their lives. 32 and 26, less so. It's about power dynamics much more than actual numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 02:44 PM
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Younger women absolutely do care about who other younger women date. Many of the women saying old men shouldn't date young women are also young. Because they know it's creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 02:40 PM
3

Women want relationships, but that doesn't mean we compete with each other for them. Other women are not the obstacles here.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 02:34 PM
7

You don't talk to very many women, do you? Generally we're not all that selfish.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 02:30 PM
7

Or it's possible she got the same creepy experience from older men when she was younger and doesn't want young women to go through the same thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 02:23 PM
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Even if that were true, that doesn't actually address any of what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 02:17 PM
5

Meetup is how I met my friend group and eventually my husband. Definitely worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 10:43 AM

In real life, we don’t owe any stranger our politeness Are you aware that we live in a society?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 01:37 AM
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Normal people don't want to be predators though? Making other people feel bad is just a skeevy position to be in and it's super uncomfortable
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 01:34 AM
4

David Beckham is old af. Had to look up Girard but he's okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 12:07 AM
1

Eliza Dushku heck yes
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 12:05 AM
1

Y'know yeah he's pretty good looking
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 11:17 PM
2

A little young for my taste but he is pretty
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 11:15 PM
1

Cool beans. Good luck with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 08:54 PM
4

He said "good job, hon"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 07:10 PM
4

I would never let a man lead me. I take what my husband says into consideration because I respect him but ultimately we're equals.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 06:24 PM
1

It's really telling that you equate masculine with "leading in the relationship". Women can be feminine but not doormats.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 06:18 PM
6

I just show up and I'm fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 06:16 PM
3

Communication, compromise, realizing he's a whole other person with his own wants and needs and those need to be important to me too.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 03:13 PM
24

women actually like doing that kind of stuff because it's at their mental level So you're basically saying women are hard wired to do cooking and cleaning because it's all we're smart enough to do? First of all, no. Some women like to do chores but it's not something we all fucking love. It's something we do because often the men in our lives won't. Secondly, it's not as simple as you make it seem. When was the last time you scheduled your own dentist checkup? When did you last change your bedsh…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 02:29 PM
1

And why do you believe this?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 02:16 PM

That's disgusting. Don't you care about the people in your life?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 10:10 AM
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Short answer: no. Long answer: you need to be aware of many factors. How long have you known the woman, what's the context in which you're bringing up the vulnerability, how are you phrasing it? There's a difference between a long term girlfriend asking how you're doing and you answering honestly vs dumping "no one ever seems to like me" on the first date when she's asking your opinion on appetizers. stuff like admitting you’re struggling with work, have a friend you can’t seem to help, a bit do…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 03:15 AM

Ahhh yeah we're all out here collecting dicks like pokemon cards
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 02:13 AM

What is "this" that they're acting like?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 02:04 AM
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You do make a good point, but I've literally been told on this sub that I must be lying about my own lived experiences. Though it's not the majority, some people here absolutely do take everything that goes against their view in bad faith and need to stop that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 01:23 AM
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Believe when a man or woman says their experiences are the opposite of what you believe about their gender. Trust that people aren't generally lying. Be able to change your worldview. Understand that women absolutely do face issues men will never understand, and men also face issues women will never understand, but end of the day we're all human and we all feel the same range of emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 07:55 PM
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I can honestly say there are physical traits my husband has that started firmly on my no list that I now appreciate because I love him. I hated beards before him. I still kinda hate them on anyone but him, but I love his beard. There's more examples but I'm not spreading that much info online So it is possible to be flexible with the physical attraction if the personality compatibility is there. I don't know if there's a limit for me, or other women, but I am proof that it can happen. I'm sorry …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 03:07 PM
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I've got quite a few male friends with great personalities that I don't find aesthetically attractive. Honestly now, if they expressed interest and I wasn't married, I'd probably give them a chance. I wouldn't say I'm attracted to them, I don't really think about them in a romantic or sexual light ever, but I'm not repulsed either. I think these guys all deserve their own girlfriends though and I'm happy to hype up their great personalities to any girls they express interest in.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 01:45 PM
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True when I'm walking in the streets, I'm not going to get turned on by a guy's personality, but I'm also not going to get turned on by some random guy's looks either. There straight up is not any level of attractive where personality doesn't matter at all. Man could be consistently ranked as the sexiest dude alive and there's 0 sexual attraction unless I at least talk to him. Aesthetic attraction sure, but sexual attraction requires personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 12:40 PM
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Personality. I talk to men online mostly so I'm turned off before I even know what they look like.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 11:32 AM
3

You're actually making my point for me here Have you ever heard of penguins
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 07:02 PM
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I guarantee you I have felt genuinely excited over my "safe" husband. If attraction to you is uncomfortable, that sounds like an unfortunate way to live. Have you tried seeking help?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 06:59 PM
0

How do you know this for sure? Have you asked every woman they've claimed to have slept with
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 06:55 PM
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Women do care about looks and most women will admit this. It's always nice to look at a hot guy. But long term, the looks just don't matter nearly as much as personality. I can learn to love a unibrow or some belly fat. I can't learn to love egotism or anger issues. Also, how hot a guy is has absolutely nothing to do with his skills in bed.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 04:48 PM
1

So you expect women to stay with men who don't put in any effort to appreciate them?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 12:19 PM
1

Or she can see the writing on the wall and is calling time of death while he's content to sit around with a corpse of a relationship. If he's not doing the work, the relationship is already over. The breakup is just inevitable at that point, whether or not the woman initiates it or also stops trying.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 10:20 PM
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You'd be surprised at how many guys think their connection with a woman is just so special they can totally ignore basic rules of politeness
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 10:15 PM
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Wanting doesn't mean shit. I want to be a size 2 but I'm not going to get there if I don't exercise, and a man isn't going to stay in a relationship he wants if he doesn't work for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 10:12 PM
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Usually, but when women are routinely ostracized and hated for having been married before, those events that led to the filing become pretty fucking relevant
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 10:10 PM
1

I never said it was.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 10:00 PM
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No-one takes "who filed for divorce" and jumps onto "who is to blame for dissolution". Except they do. On this sub people are CONSTANTLY quoting the women file for divorce statistic to back up their claim that women are always unfaithful.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 09:58 PM
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The burden does fall on men to make their wives happy, just like it falls on women to make their husbands happy. And if the woman is unhappy, the man didn't do everything right
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 09:54 PM
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Unlike murder, divorce is not a crime. Women shouldn't have to prove that it was self defense. But men in places like this sub want to basically put her on trial anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 08:23 PM
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My dude divorcing someone is not anything like murder. You're comparing apples and oranges.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 08:20 PM
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Abuse and negligence were only valid grounds in the past when proven and it's very hard to prove those when the perpetrator doesn't believe they're abusive or negligent. Again, I'm not saying every woman ever is innocent. I'm saying the data people claim doesn't support their conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 08:14 PM
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Just because the man doesn't consider it a good reason doesn't mean it's not important. If something is important to one partner in the relationship, it should matter to both, regardless of gender. I'd think men would be smart enough to realize when the woman they love is unhappy and attempt to do something to fix it, but I hear story after story from men and women of the exact opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 07:52 PM
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Yes, those situations do happen. My point is we can't assume just from who files the paperwork or says "let's break up" why the relationship ended. You can't assume all of them have justifiable reasons, but you also can't assume all of them are just bored with their partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 07:23 PM
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If he's not putting in the work to continue the relationship, why should she keep it going on her own?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 07:18 PM
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No I don't actually think it happens often, but I do believe one of those other reasons happens in otherwise picture perfect marriages more often than you'd expect.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 07:16 PM
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In some cases, yes. In other cases, the man is content to not put in effort because he knows the woman will do it for him, so why should she be blamed for being unable to do the work of 2?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 07:14 PM
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That's a rational take and I agree with you. Unfortunately some people, like those on this sub, get so hungry for a person to blame they just pick "okay who filed the paperwork first"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 06:56 PM
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So what if the man provides everything on paper but doesn't actually love or care about his wife? What if he treats her like dirt, but still provides income? Back in those days, women had no escape from abusive marriages. Men could be shitty and women literally couldn't leave unless she had provable bruises.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 06:54 PM
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You are a hundred percent right. Fat women get fat hate and women hate combined, and it's exhausting to just try and exist among that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 06:50 PM
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The point is women often have very good reasons for leaving dead or dying relationships, but people look at her leaving and assume all problems in the relationship are also her fault. That's blatantly untrue.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 06:42 PM
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When you had to legally prove a lack of love and caring? How would that even work? If one party denied it, the unhappy one is stuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 06:27 PM
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A small petty grievance to you might be a deal breaking issue to her. That's why communication matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 06:23 PM
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No? Because the average woman doesn't care about followers?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 06:21 PM
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I agree that women are the ones filling the paperwork, my entire argument is that doesn't mean they're the ones causing the relationships to fail.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 06:20 PM
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Wouldn't the fault lie with the man who first stopped loving and honoring his wife? The man who first stopped being faithful to her? Why should she be punished for leaving an already broken agreement?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 05:59 PM
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I said quality of the relationship, not the man. The quality of the relationship is something that takes work from both partners and if one side gives up, the other side is free to walk away.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 05:58 PM
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The relationship can absolutely be dead before it's officially called off. If one party is checked out or cheating, they're the one who ended the relationship, even if the other person is the one who walked away.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 05:54 PM
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I don't pay attention to individual users that often so I don't know what you've said. But I've absolutely seen people say that women end relationships because they're the ones to leave, even if the reason they walked away is because the man decided to cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 05:52 PM
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Yes that is twice as many as gay men, but it's 6% in 7 years. That's hardly mass hordes of women leaving their partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 05:50 PM
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I'm bringing up the divorce filing statistics because it's often used to support the argument that women are unfaithful, and that's not how that actually works.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 05:38 PM
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Well, yeah, of course women can cheat and end relationships that way. My point is if the guy cheats and the woman leaves him over it, people on this sub will still blame her over it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 05:37 PM
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I hear this "fact" a lot but I can't find any studies supporting the data that lesbians supposedly have high divorce rates.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 05:31 PM
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Women care about the quality of their relationships more than the status of having one?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 05:25 PM
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Agreed, it would be nice if I wasn't straight up accused of lying for sharing personal experiences or preferences, just because they don't fit in someone's else's view
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 11:04 AM
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I have long term friends I've known even longer than my husband. I was lonely before them, meeting my partner was a bonus that followed after I became more confident. I've lived with some of them on and off as circumstances change, we've made life decisions based on the friend group, we know each other's families. But there's no interest in sex. I know it's rare to have a group with a bond like that and I'm lucky to have my friends, but we're otherwise all typical middle class new england millen…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 01:58 AM
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Sorry, I got this confused with a different post. It's been a long day. It sucks to be alone, and I can't really fathom what it's like to be alone for decades of your life. Just like most men probably can't exactly imagine the struggles that come with being a woman. It would be nice if more people could realize that instead of assuming that everyone on this subreddit is being disingenuous. Which honestly even I'm guilty of at times.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 01:51 AM
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I married the second boyfriend so it wasn't really that many guys. Yelling to the void is fine, but the internet is not a void. There's real people on the other end that get hurt by the casual misogyny spread by bitter lonely people.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 01:29 AM
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I didn't get my first kiss till I was 19, first boyfriend some months later. And he made it very clear to me that he could do better, right up till he dumped me because I wasn't good enough. It fucked with my head and made me believe I wasn't good enough for any man and was destined to die alone. I've gotten over that through therapy and supportive friends of both genders. I'm happy now but I do know what it feels like to believe you're not good enough for anyone and it sucks. But lashing out an…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 10:58 PM
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You could try listening to women instead of discounting our experiences because they don't match yours. But I see you came into this expecting argument over discussion so there's no good faith to be had
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 01:45 PM
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Oh wow you're psychic. Can you tell me the winning lotto numbers next?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 01:37 PM
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Well I can legitimately say it isn't all women because I am a woman and I've never known any of my female friends to behave like this. IDK what else to tell you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 01:33 PM
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That sounds so fucking creepy. Do you not care about the women you want to date???
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 01:31 PM
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If you really feel that all women are like that, then you're right, you won't win. Stop trying.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 01:17 PM
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What the fuck is black r$$$
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 03:02 AM
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Wow you must have a sad life considering the only thing that seems to give you pleasure is hating unknown women on the internet. While you're feeling smug and superior over me, I literally keep forgetting about you until I get another notification that you responded. You want to occupy my mind, you've gotta pay rent.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 10:25 PM
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Well there is such a thing as too invested, that's when it becomes stalker or abusive behavior, but a guy just being head over heels for a girl? I've never had a problem with that
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 10:16 PM
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When the fuck did I ever say that
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 10:03 PM
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Not everyone wants threesomes and pressuring someone to do that based on their orientation is wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 09:10 PM
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I'm not interested in a man who just wants a woman. I want the man who wants me. So if you're trying to reach some invisible quota to unlock sex, it just won't happen because as long as you just want a woman, any woman, then no woman will want to be with you. No one wants to feel like they're replaceable. You're not trying to fill a job position of "pussy haver", you're trying to find someone who enriches your life and who you provide value to in return. Treat dates like that instead and you'll …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 08:49 PM
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28% of women is still a lot of women. And unfortunately I would also assume a lot of the men okay with dating bi women are really just hoping for a threesome. Biphobia is a major issue, but it's not really a gendered one. There's gay men who hate bi men too, and lesbian women who hate bi women. Everyone wants to shit on the people who just love everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 08:39 PM
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Completely false
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 06:58 PM
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Sure, the total stranger who called me a whale in public was REALLY concerned about my health and well-being. Body positivity at its core is just, fat people are still people, stop being a dick. And maybe doctors should listen to their patients, if I say I started hurting AFTER I lost 80 pounds, maybe the solution isn't just "lose more weight", doc
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 01:44 AM
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Yeah you're all right
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 12:05 PM
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Because kids are gross
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 12:03 PM
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No I am fat. Still get more sex than you do
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 11:21 AM

I'm having fun but also this sucks
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 10:56 AM
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even ugly chicks have higher standards than man babies
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 12:49 AM
0

Oh so she has to be better than you got it
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 12:38 AM
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Capitalism mostly
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 12:34 AM

The more a man insists he didn't do anything wrong, the more it's going to look like he absolutely did. sometimes the best thing to do is just drop it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 03:36 AM

Many, many men harass women without the intent to do so. They genuinely think they're flirting or being nice, but it's still harassing behavior. Ignoring boundaries, asking inappropriate questions, talking about sexual things, can all be harassment, even if done with good intentions. and yeah it's the guy's fault. it's not unforgiveable if he genuinely didn't know he was doing anything wrong, but it's still on him to learn and do better.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 03:17 AM

I already addressed this. I *don't* believe that anyone's feelings give them free reign to act in any way they want. There's no good reason to insult anyone, but a woman saying she feels scared is NOT the same as a woman calling someone a predator.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 02:53 AM

uhhhh. no. women are expected to fight the patriarchy and fight bias to succeed all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 02:50 AM
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Biology and sexual orientation. But also a variety of physical traits and social skills, the combination of which varies from woman to woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 10:34 PM

I'm fat as fuck but I'm married and get regular sex anyways. Don't worry about my ability to have kids tho, I don't plan on it
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 09:50 PM

Have you ever actually had a faulty fire alarm? Mine goes off 3x a week and the fire department literally never comes, no penalty, nothing. In that same vein, you're vastly overestimating what damage one person's word has on someone's reputation.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 07:30 PM

That's honestly valid, it hurts to be called names. But that doesn't change what the woman felt, so the appropriate response is either realizing these two people are not going to get along and should avoid each other, or explain intentions behind the original "creepy' actions. And yes call out the woman for the insult. In a perfect world if a person is upset by your actions they would express that emotion instead of resorting to name calling, but women are people too and also do things that aren…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 07:15 PM

An emotional response is still a response. If a man does something that causes a woman to feel fear, then he has hurt her. It doesn't have to leave bruises for it to be real.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 07:03 PM

If someone punches you in the face, it hurts. If someone insults you while intending to be social, it also hurts. Just because the harm isn't physical doesn't mean the woman calling a man creepy hasn't been harmed. Their sense of security and safety has been broken and that is hurtful.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 06:11 PM

The average man does have access to casual sex though and things are fine. There's no law against people fucking, and yet people still fall in love and get married because most people care about more than just getting a dick wet.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 05:22 PM

Just because one person accuses you of something (especially a way they felt or a social action) - it doesn’t mean it’s true, real or objective. Women don't lie about what they're feeling. It's true that a man's intention may not have been to elicit fear or disgust in a woman but that's what happened anyways, and she's going to let him know about it. Yes the intention still matters, but the reception matters just as much. If someone walked up to you and punched you in the face, but then said "so…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 05:19 PM

What if I disagree that it is true? What if you just believe that because you don't want to see women in a negative light and because you wanna pretend men's problems are self-inflicted? Then you're being blind to reality. It is a known problem that men don't have enough emotional support in current society. That leads to men dumping everything onto the one person society says it's okay to open up to, their partner. It's not right that men don't get emotional support from family and friends in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 04:40 PM
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This is a totally valid take and the only people who really believe this aging nonsense are the 40+ year old virgins who think they're entitled to fuck teenagers
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 04:00 PM

"If people call you misogynistic" you should try not being misogynistic (assuming that people will call you that only when its deserved and justified, clearly complete nonsense) Or you could look at what you're saying/doing and see if there's underlying misogyny that you didn't consciously realize, and work on that. "If someone calls you creepy you were being creepy" (yeah maybe, or maybe not) It means they perceived you as creepy, end of story. Your intentions matter in context, but so does the…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 03:57 PM
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No.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 11:20 PM
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"if things were different, things would be different!" That's pretty obvious. But complaining about impossible ifs doesn't get anyone anywhere. Things suck for people because mismatched expectations do exist, simple as that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 11:22 AM
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This happens in transactional relationship, sure, where both parties are aware of what's going on, but where are you seeing it otherwise??? I've never actually heard any woman complain about being treated like a commodity.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 11:09 AM

Women who choose bad men often don't come from a great childhood. Many women prefer normal, well adjusted men over the outright dangerous ones. That high doesn't exist for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 02:15 PM

Who has all full control on the sexual market? Just because you can't get laid doesn't mean all women have all the power. Who chooses to date men that are in high demand by other women too and therefore unlikely to stay? Normal people don't dump their partners just because they have other options. Who is dating irresponsible men and giving them sex before any guarantee of commitment or exclusivity? And yet you're admitting right there the men are also irresponsible. Who is dating and giving kids…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 02:03 PM
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Women like confidence but that's not the same as thinking you're able to fuck any woman you want. Confidence shouldn't be related to sex because your life shouldn't be revolving around sex. When women say they want a confident man, what we mean is a man who's comfortable being himself, who can carry on a conversation with ease, and who's not apologizing every five seconds for the crime of existing in her presence. That shit is uncomfortable for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 11:01 AM
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Meeting in public and tracking your location are definitely smart ways to keep yourself safe. Normal guys won't care about those, guys that are likely to be abusive will complain. Not getting physical till the emotional bond is established is one of the primary ways women protect themselves and often get called nasty things for doing so. Men have an expectation that they can just claim to be nice and women will just go along with that, emotional bond made. Abusive guys claim to be nice too. Ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 04:26 PM
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My dude I think you overestimate how many people would even notice
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 10:59 AM
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You might be able to claim that the father has 50% of the rights to the embryo, but that's it. The father has no rights to the woman's body to grow the embryo. So once it's out of the body, sure do what you want with it! It's not the woman's fault that medical science can't keep an embryo alive at that point though.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 05:56 PM
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Oh I'm 90% sure that was the reason, but also I did have undiagnosed anxiety disorder and ADHD.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 12:34 PM
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I got dumped for being too "clingy". In retrospect yeah I had flaws, but also he was cheating on me with a girl still in high school when we were seniors in college
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 03:08 AM
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Basic logic if a person was raised with only one adult figure at all in their life and no exposure to others. There's no research on that because that would be utterly cruel to a child.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 12:27 PM
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You don't need to belittle a field of science just because you don't understand it
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 12:22 PM
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Children need multiple adult figures in their life to guide them because just having one leads them to become a carbon copy of that person, flaws and all. In most families, that's a father and a mother. Two fathers are fine. Two mothers are fine. A single parent and supportive community is fine. But seriously men are generally pretty okay and it is good for kids to see positive male role models, whether that's a father or male teacher or uncle or whoever. Helps kids see that men are varied peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 12:12 PM

You know ladies don't really "compete" for guys, right? If I'm out with friends and a hot guy flirts with my friend but not with me, it might sting for like a second but it's not like I actually care about that specific guy. I don't know him. No man on earth is attractive enough to make me want to commit solely based on his looks. I might joke about it, sure, but there's gotta be other qualities there. Usually by the time a woman decides she wants to commit to a specific guy, she knows him well …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 11:08 AM

Men never see it coming because that lack of communication is usually what leads to the divorce in the first place. And then they're all shocked Pikachu while the woman has already done her grieving the relationship and moving on because she tried to fix things and couldn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 11:03 AM
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Okay but how much do I like them?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 04:43 AM
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in many, many cases, men don't notice that their wives are unhappy until it's unfixable. The woman has tried to communicate troubles, the man ignores it either willfully or unintentionally. It's going to end in divorce or a marriage where no one is happy. The two men you mentioned, divorce was probably the best option for them. If they weren't willing to change, then they probably saved their wives some eventual heartache in the long run.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 09:44 PM
0

Even at the end of a relationship women end up doing the emotional labor
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 06:19 PM
2

Honestly I wasn't expecting that answer. But yes, women are different from each other. Men are different, aren't they? We're all human beings, with unique brains. And that means unique preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 04:23 PM
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Do you genuinely believe women want to get divorced? Like that is the option they prefer to go for? Because no, that takes so much time and effort and heartbreak, no one wins, and everyone is hurt. Divorce is a last resort option when nothing else has worked.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 03:10 PM
1

Honey if women keep dumping you for a better option, you're the common denominator here, not the women
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 02:51 PM
4

Was this your first time seeing actual girls in public or something? People aren't a monolith, that's just basic fact
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 02:43 PM
5

Actually since I feel confident in my skin as I am now thanks to the fat acceptance trend, it's easier to face dealing with it. Part of the reason I'm so fat is an eating disorder I developed as a teenager, when I was not confident in my body image. Fat acceptance being around then might have helped me stay at slightly overweight rather than ballooning up.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 05:39 PM
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Hi I'm a fat woman. I used to look like your example 1 but I've lost weight and now look closer to your example 2. I've still got a ways to go! But do I not deserve to have cute clothes and the opportunity to enjoy my life while I'm losing the weight? Do you believe I should live in complete misery until I'm thin? Most stores don't even carry plus sizes in the store itself, so should I just order clothing online and take the financial risk it'll fit at all, if there's no photos to show me otherw…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 05:22 PM

I'm not hot, but my hot girl friends hobbies have included: video games, lolita fashion, coding, model kits, and yes, some makeup and gym time. I personally get along with them on the model kits and video game stuff but I'm the kind of girl who's always looked like a nerd.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 11:08 AM
3

Can you explain that? Genuinely not following your logic here
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 12:55 PM
1

Things like the wall is one example, yes, but also just general language about women. My mom's a biologist, actually, and the idea of "the tingles" or "hypergamy" sound sexist and demeaning to her as well, not any sort of biological fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 12:50 PM
3

To clarify I'm referring to self-identified incels, that vocal minority you mentioned.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 12:37 PM
3

There's overlap in the way guys in the manosphere in general talk about women. RP are more scientific while incels are insulting, but both come off as dehumanizing, like guys see women as a totally different species they can't possibly understand. So to women on the outside it just feels like none of the guys in either circle ever talk to an actual woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 12:25 PM
2

I'll admit that before coming in here I definitely lumped everyone together but I'm genuinely curious in learning the nuances and differences between these groups. I don't interact much with cis straight men in my life so I'm trying to keep an open mind instead of continuing to generalize.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 12:21 PM
3

Things like tall vs short, muscular vs lean, bald vs hairy do not matter to me in terms of attractiveness. They depend very much on the person. Some guys look better bald than with hair, and some look horrible bald. Just because I'm not into the guys who can't rock the bald look doesn't mean I hate all bald men. For me, attractive is knowing the features you have and making them work for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 05:33 PM
6

Yes, completely. It’s disrespectful to our relationship. If this is your view, then how are you not disrespecting her and your relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 10:13 AM
19

Where do men get this idea that women are all shape shifting witches when it comes to makeup? Bro if you think my eyelids are actually gold that's a you problem
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 10:09 AM
7

This is a really sad view. Are you okay?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 12:42 PM
-1

Looks are not everything. Most women are willing to look past average or below average looks in exchange for a good personality. The type of men who tend to become incels also have a below average personality, and never actually do anything to change that. They just try to hide it better.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 03:12 AM
3

I'd consider it but I would absolutely need to talk to the wife first because people lie about shit all the time
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 05:57 PM

Well, thank you. I really do appreciate that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 02:36 AM

Okay so that kind of makes it make more sense to me, so thank you. I still don't fully get it but as everyone else in this thread has helpfully pointed out, I might just be fundamentally broken
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 02:03 AM

No, because I only hear men specifically talk about their bloodline. Women say they want kids, men are the only ones I've heard talk about their bloodline and lineage.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 01:42 AM

Actually yeah that is my view
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 12:59 AM

I literally see and hear men using the "bloodline" terminology all the time. If they want kids why not just say that?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 12:19 AM

No actually
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 12:16 AM

It might be alien to you but the obsession with continuing on a generic family name is just as alien to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 11:03 PM

I don't know that either, I don't care about height.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 11:01 PM

He would need to have a FUCKTON of money. As in the billions. Then I might consider it. But still probably not because most people who are that rich are immoral assholes and I won't cross that line
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 10:09 PM
3

Something can have value without being viewed as primarily an investment
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 12:04 PM
3

Okay we have fundamentally different viewpoints here then. I would also not be dating a guy who views a house as an investment instead of a place to live.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 11:21 AM

I keep reading over this and can't figure out what you're trying to say Women are allowed to enjoy sex, dude. And if it's done right, she won't be used like a Fleshlight. Unless she specifically asks for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 11:12 AM
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Yes, and I'm willing to pay 50% of the cost of living so he's not subsidizing me. But why should he be profiting off of me by charging any more than half the mortgage?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 11:10 AM
10

Pay for my own food and utilities, sure, but if a guy I dated expected me to pay him rent so he could fucking profit off of me, we wouldn't be dating anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 11:02 AM
15

I was invisible for the longest time. Never kissed until I was 20. Fat, anxious, shy, and I tried putting myself out there. I cried after my first kiss because it was with a stranger and I just felt so wrong afterwards. I only got better at dating by working on myself as a person
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:11 AM

Yes, I do believe that people who produce food should share it with the hungry, and people who own shelter should share it with the homeless. They lose nothing by doing so. They still have their own food and shelter. If someone is forced to provide sex, they are losing their own bodily autonomy and dignity. I think those aren't necessarily needs, but things that are deserved, and it's immoral to force people to give those up.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 08:17 PM

I believe that emotional safety is extremely important but not an absolute need to survive. This I'll admit is more from a biased, personal view than anything else - I've been in horrible mental places and I'm still alive. Do I think people deserve compassion, friendship, and intimacy, even if they're not needed? Absolutely. But I don't believe sex is required for any of those things either.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 05:52 PM

I can see why it's a biological drive, but we've evolved past base animal instinct. The human race will continue without every single person having sex, and generally people know that, so sex is no longer an actual need. The body might feel otherwise, which is why I agree that it sucks, but instinct is not the only factor in determining need.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 05:29 PM

I'll admit it's been a while since I studied psych but the last time I looked up the hierarchy, sex/intimacy was third tier. In any case I don't consider it a physiological or safety need, so not a true need.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 05:14 PM

Personally I define it as the bottom two tiers of Maslow's hierarchy but simply, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 04:46 PM

You are not going to die without sex, therefore it's not a need. That's it. I'll acknowledge it sucks, but if you're so obsessed with sex that you actually feel like you're going to die without it, and masturbation and toys aren't enough, then you need professional help. For most human beings, it's a strong desire, not an actual need. Also, often when men say sex is a need, they're saying it to try to coerce women into sexual acts out of pity. Women replying that it's not a need are just seeing …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 04:01 PM
4

"touch grass" usually means advice to get out of the internet/Reddit bubble and get back in touch with the real world, including offline people and friends, because what dumb shit someone's responding to is so out of touch with reality. As far as people interacting and learning from that, "I don't want to talk to you" IS an interaction. It means that something you've done is off-putting and you need to change your approach. If you keep getting that response, every single time, then it might be w…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 02:41 PM
1

I prefer a female gyno personally, but if my husband said anything about the gender of any of my doctors I'd just tell him to get the stick out of his ass, it's my health, not his. If any male friends said anything about my gynecologist??? Ew. Shut that shit down right away and honestly rethink being friends with that person.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 02:24 PM
1

You missed the part where it didn't make any money. This isn't a good backup and that's part of the reason why I quit. I was hating myself because this thing that's supposedly easy for all girls wasn't providing me enough money to survive. It's not a time in my life I'm proud of, but I'm not ashamed of what I did to try and survive either.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 06:45 PM
6

Trust me I was objectified long before I decided to try my hand at that. I just figured I might as well get some money out of what was already happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 12:50 PM
6

For having bodies?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 12:49 PM
3

Men objectifying women is not the fault of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 12:15 PM
6

Bro sex work has nothing to do with body image relating to self worth, women are shamed for their appearance no matter what they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 12:11 PM
8

As a woman who actually did online sex work for a short while, I'll admit there is an initial dopamine boost from it. But that wears off fast. Then you're stuck with randos sending you dick pics, tons of harassment, more body shaming than compliments, and it's all for $100/month maybe, if you're lucky. Please, tell me how women in that situation, who are the vast majority of online sex workers, need to be humbled?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 11:18 AM
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You're moving goalposts and ignoring my question, bud.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 11:00 AM
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That has literally nothing to do with your original question though? A man and a woman in a relationship are absolutely getting the exact same amount of sex because they are having sex with each other. If she's selling nudes on the side that's still not having sex with someone else. He's allowed to take nudes and try to sell them too. Do you also consider masturbation to be bonus sex for one party?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 10:55 AM
2

Yes I do
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 10:48 AM
13

Basically, yeah. Only difference is if your junk is inside or outside.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 03:10 AM
14

It's different because it is literally not the same thing. Sharing photos and videos for money isn't the same as physically sleeping with someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 03:08 AM
5

Thank you, it's often hard to look at what I've accomplished without comparing it to what I still need to do. I'm currently doing weight resistance training and low impact cardio. Part of the program is monthly meetings with a fitness advisor to create a routine that works for me but thank you for the advice!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 02:24 PM
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Being an overweight woman. I'm a fat woman. I'm lucky in that I carry most of it in my boobs and hips but I am undeniably fat. I've been in an intensive weight loss program for a year and only managed to lose 80 pounds so far. There's probably underlying causes but I am only now just getting doctors to take me seriously on that because even doctors haven't listened when I say I diet and exercise already and just can't lose weight. I do have a good diet, lots of protein and veggies. I exercise da…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 01:45 PM
3

No I love being a woman. Being a man sounds awful tbh. I do want a dick though, just temporarily so I can swing it around for fun
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 09:13 PM
2

If my partner brought home a full sex robot I'd mostly be concerned where he got the money for it
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 04:03 AM
1

Bumble isn't the same as discord or reddit. By virtue of being on the app, the reason for talking to other people is already understood. Also I think bumble is a great app but damn 95% of ladies need to put in more effort
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/23 07:27 PM
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Then why are you talking to that person at all? There has to be a reason they interested you, and that's what you should lead with. To people on the internet I am just a username. If someone decided that was enough to start a conversation with me, I'd want to know why. Even if it's as simple as "I saw you at x and thought you seemed cool" that's better than absolutely nothing. On discord I have gotten randos who have found me via random searches. They have 0 idea of my personality and 0 idea of …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/23 07:18 PM
2

Not really. It can get a little weird if you're reading everything they've written in the past ten years, but stalking is when you try and find all their online accounts or alternate ways to contact them
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/23 03:01 PM
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Maybe if you bring up a post from like 6 years ago, but it's pretty normal to meet people through common subreddits and discord chats. Just saying hi feels more like stalking because it gives a bad vibe of "why me?"
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/23 02:56 PM
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For online chatting specifically, saying hi without anything else is a red flag. I don't know you. I don't know if you're a bot or if you're about to harass me. My immediate reaction is "why is this stranger talking to me". A green flag is "hey I saw your post on (x)" because that establishes some background and why you're reaching out. It also gives me some reassurance that your second message is less likely to be a picture of your dick without warning.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/23 02:51 PM
11

I'm taken I'm not pretty
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 12:23 PM
2

4, 5, 11, and I'm using the last 2 points to pick good cook
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 12:21 PM
2

I don't think all passport bros are exploitative tbh. Doesn't mean I'm a fan of the idea for other reasons but it's not always exploitation. I think where it does cross that line is when a guy is using his wealth/Western-ness specifically to attract women. Promising to bring them out of poverty, promising to provide for them and any children that might result from sex, and then never having the intention of following through. Lying to get sex is exploitation no matter what country you're doing i…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 11:55 PM
3

I don't care at all. It opens up the variety of porn I get to share with my husband so everyone wins
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 10:41 PM
2

eh, if the other guy throws the first punch, I'm not gonna be upset at my partner for defending himself, but on the whole I definitely agree with you
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 02:15 AM
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I'm gonna be honest, rolled my eyes at the term "mate-guarding" but I don't actually think you're wrong. What's important to note though is that jealousy and protection are different. If I'm having a friendly conversation with a guy, my partner should be fine with it. If a guy won't take no for an answer, then yes, it is attractive when my partner steps in and protects me. The key here is my partner knows my boundaries and I trust him to enforce them when I'm in a situation where I cannot, but t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 01:36 AM
1

We each put about 75% into a joint account and have 25% for fun money. We make different amounts but this way we're contributing an equitable amount to bills. The extra in the joint account is savings for a house or emergency funds.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 08:47 PM
3

Care to actually refute my points instead of attacking my intelligence?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 06:53 PM
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The best revenge is a life well lived. I'd move on. Focus on being happy and successful without that girl. Show her in every action I take exactly what she means to me now: absolutely nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 02:19 PM

A ton of people actually do sample flavors and then not buy them because they only wanted a taste. And a lot of men and women want to have casual sex without a relationship. Some women put deeper meaning on sex but don't wait till marriage because marriage is just an arbitrary piece of paper. I lost my virginity to a guy I genuinely thought I loved and I was going to marry, and shit didn't work out that way. I jumped in bed with the next one I dated because the spark was that strong, and I did m…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 02:16 PM
16

If the woman knows the man she's with can't do any better, she either doesn't care or is incredibly toxic. If she knows that he can get any woman he wants, she either doesn't care or is incredibly insecure. Most women don't think about the other women their man could get because it doesn't usually matter. You sound like one of the people who recommend being shit to your girlfriend so she'll love you more in some twisted way
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 03:15 AM
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In what world would a man like you more or more view you more positively for rejecting his sexual advances? None, you're right about that. But women do live in a world where there's always the possibility of being physically harmed for rejecting sexual advances, and seeming "slutty" makes it worse. If I go out with A and sleep with him and he tells B about it, then I go on a date with B, B is now expecting me to sleep with him. And if I don't, I'm at risk of B hurting me because he believes he "…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 08:31 PM
8

Women aren't just status symbols bro
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 04:58 PM
14

You have literally no idea how female friendships work.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 03:18 PM
1

Trust me, the fat girl isn't sacrificing anything. She's being the bad guy because she knows dicks like you already dislike her for being fat so she might as well protect her friend from getting hurt.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 03:08 PM
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If you just want sex that bad, cut the bullshit and pay for it. Normal people want companionship too.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 12:31 PM

You seem to have a reasonable balance between women and literally everything else in life and yet you've probably talked to more women than most of these guys will ever try to speak to in their life. What others count as success doesn't matter. If you're happy with yourself, you do you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 03:55 AM
2

Why is it disrespectful to date an ex's friend?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 05:48 PM
1

I met my current group of friends about 10 years ago through a local meetup group. Within the first 3 months one of them asked me out, and I married him. I later learned two other guys were interested in me at the time, but now the idea of being with them is just absurd tbh. They're great dudes but I know them enough to know we'd never be compatible. I highly doubt that either of those guys are still interested in me. One of them is focusing on his career and living his life, the other has a gir…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 12:13 AM
1

I'll concede that it happens, but that doesn't make it right. A good man or woman wouldn't do that to their partner, yet everyone here seems to think it's a foregone conclusion. Why are men even looking for a woman when they think she'll leave at the first sign of trouble???
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 08:25 PM
1

One thing I'm really learning from posting this is everyone has different opinions on what red pill is supposed to mean tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 08:22 PM
1

I guess we don't agree on what "not doing anything" entails, and that's all right. I would side-eye a woman who dumps her man the instant he loses a job for sure, because c'mon, that's a temporary thing, that woman is a dumbass. But I'll also side-eye the man who applies to maybe 1 job a week and spends the rest of the time gaming while his partner takes care of 100% of the income and homemaking.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 05:33 PM
1

If a man is going to provide 0% of the income and 0% of the housework, then, no, I'm not surprised that a woman decides to leave him. I'm saying a man shouldn't just lose his job and then throw his hands up and make no attempt to provide anything more to the relationship at that point, and then complain women are the problem when a woman doesn't want to drag around a burden that provides nothing for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 05:28 PM
1

Most women will understand temporary setbacks like losing a job. What isn't attractive is not having the ambition to get out of that setback by looking for a new job, or finding a new passion of some sort.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 05:08 PM
1

That's true. I personally don't understand people who put everything they have towards those goals either without balancing out their life, but it is a thousand percent less creepy if they're not doing it solely to get pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 02:11 PM
2

If you were laid off tomorrow, what would you do with your free time if you had a wife who could financially support you?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 09:16 AM
1

I'm honestly curious what hobbies you have that are just isolating. Literally every hobby has a community, no matter how niche.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 01:44 AM
1

maybe those people should have had some other hobbies
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 01:35 AM
1

You don't need sex to live.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 01:17 AM
0

ohhhh, I see. you don't realize how words work. That's okay, literacy isn't for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 10:55 PM
1

it should be a crime to expect men to pull their weight?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 10:46 PM
3

I think you were going for sarcasm but that's an entirely healthy approach to a relationship. I got into gaming because of my husband, he got into baking because of me. If a woman is ignoring your hobbies based on what they are, then she's not worth your time, tbh. Even if your hobby was like, doll collecting or taxidermy. It's something YOU like and are passionate about and to literally every woman I know the hottest thing a man can do is talk about something they truly love.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 07:50 PM
6

That's just you? I married a gamer and I love gaming with him. I know so many women who think a guy into gaming and jigsaw puzzles would be the ideal man.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 07:46 PM
3

This is probably the true reason. So many men once they're laid off just don't DO anything about it except complain. Sorry, but if you're home all the time now, you're actively looking for a job or taking care of the housework. if you can't agree on that, then tbh a marriage shouldn't have happened in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 07:22 PM
5

So how many dates in DO you let them know what you're into? Or do you not get that far?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 06:24 PM
4

Yes, multiple. I also have hobbies that don't completely consume my life and let me balance working on my goals with things that I enjoy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 06:23 PM
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Your last paragraph is a good point, I definitely did make this point conflating a few wannabe PUAs I know in reality (who do not have hobbies) with the people I see here (who I don't know about). I'll concede that point, I screwed up there. But your Poptarts analogy works both ways, you know. If seeking out human connection is your fruits and vegetables, then you need to throw in an occasional Poptart for variety to make yourself happy as well!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 06:18 PM
3

tbh I'd be infinitely more attracted to a guy who likes to travel and likes dogs than a guy who's touchy-feely and escalates towards sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 06:15 PM
1

okay, maybe you don't need to paint shit or whatever, but if there's a specific goal in mind, it's not a hobby. A hobby is an activity done simply because you enjoy doing it. Do all young men really enjoy working out and being on the grind all of the time?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 06:13 PM
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with all those stipulations, maybe it's better if you don't get married. you clearly aren't ready for it. Also, does your logic go both ways? I got laid off recently as a woman. Should my husband have left me?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 05:09 PM
8

please give one example of this ever happening in reality
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 04:50 PM
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"Honey, I got laid off today." "That's it, I'm leaving and taking the kids!"
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 04:11 PM
1

Everyone should just stop being stupid and generalizing. Differences between people exist. I will never truly know what it's like to have a dick. A white person in America will never truly understand a black person's experience. But instead of being empathetic and accepting these facts we all decide to just say "no your experience is wrong". I'm not misandrist but I won't trust misogynist men. Those particular men already have decided that I'm not worth listening to and my experience is invalid …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 02:48 PM
2

Isn't it also meant to give advice to men? Quality of the advice aside, men need to change their behavior in order to be happier in how they deal with women. Understanding their behavior, whether on an individual level or an animal level, is an extremely relevant part of that conversation. Humans are all one species. Either we're all predictable or none of us are. If you want to look at the predictable animal like behavior of women, you have to do the same for men or you're missing half the equa…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 03:41 PM
2

That's true but you only chose to specify women. If your view is that humans of all genders have predictable patterns because we're all animals, why do you only say that about women?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 03:17 PM
1

Maybe don't call women animals if you don't want to be perceived as misogynist. But to your point, the leftist circles I'm in actually do give actionable advice, to everyone: Go to therapy. Everyone's problems are unique, and the absolute best solution is going to be one individually tailored to you. I'm not sure what would be enticing to young men exactly but dating advice that would work? Having men see that dating and sex are not the only things that matter. When you're so focused on fucking …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 02:25 AM
3

I don't dislike men. I married one, and a good number of my friends are guys. But I do have trouble trusting red pillers. To me, that says this man doesn't see me as a person, just an object -- and since I am married, it means my worth is apparently only how much this man values my husband. I don't feel safe, physically or emotionally. Nothing I say or do will be taken seriously or with respect, so I have no chance of defending myself. On a deep level, it's terrifying. That doesn't mean every gu…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 12:52 AM
1

As a woman, I'd buy it for myself, but I'm not sure I would continue seeing the guy if he didn't at least offer. It's not about the money, it's about the responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 12:32 AM
1

I go to a couple of bars in my city with groups of friends. I'm in a serious, committed relationship. I just want to have fun and a drink with my friends. I've never even thought about looking for a date/sex there. The majority of my friends, a fairly even mix of men/women, feel the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/17 03:31 AM
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