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| 3 | It's hard to call for equality between genders when stuff like this is so openly accepted by places like Universities. (xpost /r/TumblrInAction)Every once in a while somebody kicks up a hissy fit because they don't like the idea of being "forced" to use a term for non-transgender people, usually countering with "you mean normal, right?" Such people generally do not harbor the same complaints about terms like "straight", "white", "right-handed", or "able-bodied." They just think "cisgender" is a SJW nonsense thing to make normal abnormal or something, instead of the, as you said, useful term it is. | /r/MensRights | 21/05/15 06:11 AM |
| 2 | I've heard that more MTF transistion then FTM, because being a women is preferable to being a man. What MRA's take?The most likely reason that I can imagine is that MTF surgery is simpler and usually more successful than FTM (penile construction), and that transmen may just be more satisfied with HRT alone. I stress, though, that this is just speculation. Your speculation is quite accurate, from what I can tell. There is a huge disparity in rates of MTF and FTM genital reassignment, and the three main reasons typically concluded are because FTM surgery is far more expensive than MTF, and prohibitively expens… | /r/MensRights | 25/03/15 10:44 PM |
| 1 | I've heard that more MTF transistion then FTM, because being a women is preferable to being a man. What MRA's take?There was a women who went undercover as a man for several months and then had to be treated for depresssion Norah Vincent is brought up often in similar discussions, and it's important to remember two things: one, Ms. Vincent didn't and apparently never has identified as anything other than a woman. Two, when someone forces themselves to live their life as something contrary to their personal identity, mental stress is a given. Hers was an interesting experience but she essentially gave herself… | /r/MensRights | 25/03/15 07:40 PM |
| 4 | I've heard that more MTF transistion then FTM, because being a women is preferable to being a man. What MRA's take?where he mentioned how studies have shown that suicide rates go up in the trans* population for those who have undergone reassignment surgery. Not that I am not open to changing my mind given source, but this is commonly tossed around and all times I've looked into it, this has been a misinterpretation and/or straight up lie to try to convince people that transition "doesn't work". Every study I have seen has indicated that social, hormonal, and surgical transitions reduce symptoms of gender dys… | /r/MensRights | 25/03/15 07:23 PM |
| -1 | [Study] Men who treat women the same as they treat other men, without benevolent sexism/female privilege, are seen as overwhelmingly sexist by both men and women.There are better ways to express skepticism than accusing me of fabricating my job situation. For, what? Brownie points in the MRA sub? I'm living as a guy, I am definitely feeling no 'hatred' for it...except, I guess, dudes who want to believe that women live on silver platter being fanned by palm fronds. I swear some of the people in here are just like the feminists who accuse me of lying when I don't agree that being a woman is hands-down, drag-through-the-mud awful. | /r/MensRights | 16/01/15 01:53 AM |
| 1 | [Study] Men who treat women the same as they treat other men, without benevolent sexism/female privilege, are seen as overwhelmingly sexist by both men and women.It's happened out of town too, but I'm in a tourist town in the South where managers think the rich old ladies will absolutely adore me. Which turned out to be true, and is why I'm no longer slinging pizzas for my paycheck. | /r/MensRights | 16/01/15 01:40 AM |
| -2 | [Study] Men who treat women the same as they treat other men, without benevolent sexism/female privilege, are seen as overwhelmingly sexist by both men and women.That shit is ridiculous. I thought so too and would just pocket their business cards, then my mentor told me to call back about it and I realized they were serious. Now I'm in a "shower before" position instead of my previous "shower after" and still getting strangers asking if I'm looking for a job. I'm also frequently mistaken for the manager, which is super awkward when in earshot of the much older employees who are above me on the totem pole. It's because I'm the only guy, and I know it full… | /r/MensRights | 16/01/15 01:38 AM |
| -127 | [Study] Men who treat women the same as they treat other men, without benevolent sexism/female privilege, are seen as overwhelmingly sexist by both men and women.When they're actually treated like men it must feel like hatred. As someone who used to be treated as a woman, the dude life has certainly not been especially full of hatred. Having a plethora of willing mentors and getting job offers while walking down the street ain't so bad... As an aside, Norah Vincent had a very interesting experience but don't forget that she basically gave herself gender dysphoria. It's frustrating to see such a complicated topic being condensed into 'dudes have it worse,… | /r/MensRights | 15/01/15 10:59 AM |
| 2 | TIL A Swedish Transsexual man joined the Feminist Movement, was kicked out for being a man and then cyberbullied until committing suicide.(translated swedish source)Anyway, fwiw, I thought the title was referring to a mtf transsexual Oh I am SO sorry, I thought you were being like "well if they were F2M, they were a she". I apologize. There are also indeed some feminists who have grudges against male-to-female transgender people. In fact, anti-MTF feminists seem much more common than anti-FTM feminists; the rhetoric in general, from what I've seen, tends to be "female-to-males are giving in to the pressure of the patriarchy and it's so sad, but we can try t… | /r/MensRights | 03/07/14 02:10 PM |
| 3 | TIL A Swedish Transsexual man joined the Feminist Movement, was kicked out for being a man and then cyberbullied until committing suicide.(translated swedish source)Female-to-male transgender people are he, and it looks like he was, in fact, FTM; in which case they were being quite appropriate in the article (moreso than many I've seen discussing trans people in the US.) In some feminist circles, female-to-male trans men are seen as ultimate gender traitors. This kind of attitude is especially common among extreme lesbian-feminist groups, where if a someone who previously lived as a woman comes out as transgender or starts transitioning to male, they are sp… | /r/MensRights | 03/07/14 09:40 AM |
| 3 | Male day care provider denialAside from popular culture, where does this attitude stem from? An abundance of "dirty old men" in the lives of women, I think. I have no idea what the actual incidence rates are, but from experience and talking with others on this topic, it feels much more likely for a man to sexually violate a child than for a woman to do so (and in this point, "feels" are what matter most. Even if your chances of getting murdered are slim to none, you don't want to voluntarily spend time in a place that makes… | /r/MensRights | 11/06/14 09:20 PM |
| 1 | I think feminine males have it better than big muscular masculine males.I get a lot less shit from females because they see me as "cute" and not someone who would try to check out their ass or something. But I'm not very popular with the males Same experience here, when I was seen as a masculine woman I got along great with dudes and not so well with women. Now it's flipped, and I think a major point of that is because I am not sexually threatening to women but am seen that way now by more men. | /r/MensRights | 09/03/14 07:57 PM |
| 3 | I think feminine males have it better than big muscular masculine males.I'm female-to-male and fairly feminine/stereotypically gay. From my personal experience I do think this goes on for me: Because, you know, females don't think feminine males are evil rapists. but I would definitely not say "because I'm seen as a feminine guy I'm treated better across the board". Some pros would be that I truly do feel I "get away" with more since I come across as younger, non-threatening, non-aggressive; women seem to really take a shine to me and I think a big part of it is tha… | /r/MensRights | 09/03/14 07:50 PM |
| 8 | Trans* MRAsOh I'm so sorry, this was a case of mistaken identity. I thought you were an SRSer who was somehow trying to twist my interpretation of r/MR's generally neutral-to-positive attitude about trans men into a bad thing. Looking into your (very) recent comments about "tranny fever", I realize that you are one of the unfortunate components of the aforementioned small but vocal asshole lot. I will try not to make this mistake in the future. | /r/MensRights | 19/12/13 06:30 AM |
| 6 | Trans* MRAsWhat on Earth are you on about? It's not "tricky use of language, there". Of those who have commented, that is what they have said and I think it's quite nice, if a bit hollow sometimes. I don't see what's so bad about, you know, being accepted as the gender you identify as. Would it be preferable if commenters reported that they didn't see trans men as men and refused to accept them as such (as has been said by a small but vocal lot)? | /r/MensRights | 19/12/13 06:21 AM |
| 3 | Is this the feminist "black friend"?Are you trying to ask a specific question/make a specific point? There are a lot more trans people in America than many people realize, and there are a lot who have lived or been perceived as both males and females. You don't have to be post-op to do so, if that's the reason you seem to find it...suspect, it looks like. Are you insinuating that people are lying about having trans friends? Could it be that they are saying "trans friend" as in "someone I heard from on the Internet"? On the note of… | /r/MensRights | 19/12/13 03:49 AM |
| 15 | Trans* MRAsTrans man here, this is discussed...not frequently, but on a semi-regular basis. There are at least two trans men I have seen in similar threads when the topic comes up who identify specifically as MRAs and a few trans women (unless I'm just seeing the same two people repeatedly). The general atmosphere and attitude within this forum alone has been welcoming of trans supporters and most people who have commented, with a few strong exceptions, say that they are accepting of trans men as men, or a… | /r/MensRights | 19/12/13 03:41 AM |
| 4 | Transmen & MRMYeah, it sounds like bollocks when put that way. Does the theory also hold that men are attracted to/choosing women as mates who are younger, less intelligent, physically weaker, and more financially dependent on them? What if both people feel like they're "marrying up" because the other person has qualities that they don't? | /r/MensRights | 16/12/13 08:46 AM |
| 5 | Transmen & MRMI'm not sure I buy it, but thank you for the much better explanation of the two. | /r/MensRights | 16/12/13 03:41 AM |
| 5 | Transmen & MRMWhat is hypergamy and hypoagency in regards to the MRM? I know what comes to mind hearing the former, but it's probably wrong. | /r/MensRights | 16/12/13 03:19 AM |
| 6 | What are some of your experiences where a girl harassed and/or assaulted you and got away with it because of her gender?Like I said, now reverse the genders, and imagine what would happen... Did I miss something? None of this sounds like harassment and certainly not assault, regardless of gender. What are you imagining would 'happen' if the genders were reversed? I came in here to confirm through my experience that, yes, sometimes women harass men- in my case women have gotten away with assing my grab when men wouldn't have. Instead I'm just confused by your story. | /r/MensRights | 18/08/13 02:36 AM |
| 1 | These people are complaining about the doctors not allowing the royal baby to choose his gender. WTF?Dissatisfaction with society-enforced gender roles/expectations is different than dissatisfaction with physical sexual characteristics or gender expression. On the whole I do not think I have ever met someone who wanted to undergo a sex change so they could "wear makeup and skirts." Most trans* people I have known are completely aware that if they want to be feminine men or masculine women they could go for it, and probably go through much less shit than actually transitioning socially or physic… | /r/MensRights | 23/07/13 08:51 PM |
| 5 | Male privilege.This is my mentality about gender differences in suicide as well; the difference in social response between a teenage girl attempting suicide by pills and a middle-aged man doing so are very different, in my experience. The "lying" aspect is what jimmied my rustlers. Failing to kill yourself is not lying about making the attempt, and there is a non-zero amount of males who have done cry-for-help suicide attempts as well. | /r/MensRights | 15/07/13 04:03 AM |
| 4 | Male privilege.That's what I am thinking, too; the mentality that someone failing to kill themselves "didn't really want to do it" or are "just trying to get pity" is also a factor. I could see males who attempt suicide but live through it hiding the attempt for this reason. | /r/MensRights | 15/07/13 03:03 AM |
| 9 | Male privilege.I took it more as "You want male privilege? Here's male privilege for you." | /r/MensRights | 15/07/13 02:40 AM |
| 7 | Male privilege.Lying about trying to kill yourself is very different from "subconsciously want to kind of live" or "suicide method didn't finish you off even though you really really for real wanted to die". I find your conclusions dismissive and poorly thought, considering they also don't take into account people lying about having not attempted suicide. If numbers for females attempting suicide can be extremely bloated from females "lying", why can't it be so for males who survive? Are you only going to 'cou… | /r/MensRights | 15/07/13 02:18 AM |
| 7 | Male privilege.A reasonable opinion, but it doesn't address why you seem to think males don't lie about it or females lie about it way more often. "More females attempt suicide than males" "Oh that's because they lie." What? | /r/MensRights | 15/07/13 02:07 AM |
| 8 | Male privilege.I'm sure there are people who say they have attempted suicide but actually haven't just like I am sure there are people who say they haven't when they have. Is there a reason why you think females lie about attempting suicide while males don't? Are you of the opinion that females lie about attempting suicide in such great numbers that it would be a significant factor in what Norfollk is referencing? | /r/MensRights | 15/07/13 01:56 AM |
| 3 | Lesbian feminist kicked out of gay bar for calling trans-women 'pretendbians' claims she is a victim of misogyny.Sorry, I meant to reply to the person above you- but thank you nonetheless | /r/MensRights | 21/06/13 01:00 AM |
| 4 | Lesbian feminist kicked out of gay bar for calling trans-women 'pretendbians' claims she is a victim of misogyny.I know that puts a lot of pressure on them, but if I am misrepresenting my 'physical' self it seems I would have the responsibility to let people know before they do something which would deeply disturb them. Unfortunately the scale by which people judge interactions with trans* people varies wildly from one individual to the next, making it difficult to make a judgement call in a given situation. I have little indication as to whether someone winking at me from across the room is going to consi… | /r/MensRights | 20/06/13 02:20 PM |
| 10 | Lesbian feminist kicked out of gay bar for calling trans-women 'pretendbians' claims she is a victim of misogyny.Even the best FTM physical transitions downstairs are practically impossible to confuse for those of an average cisgender man's. The whole "should I or shouldn't I tell someone I am a post-op transsexual?" thing is nearly-exclusively a question for transwomen, but even then, it's incredibly rare and most often used as a scare tactic to make guys think they're at risk of 'accidentally' having sex with someone who used to have a penis. Whenever this topic comes up it's usually a huge circlejerk ab… | /r/MensRights | 20/06/13 01:45 PM |
| 0 | So the feminists at my uni have opened up a women's only space...If you are under the impression that women who wear shorts and tank tops don't rightfully desire a place where they don't have to worry about being ogled while doing thigh-presses, you're still mistaken. Blaming the high reporting of ogling on "dressing skanky" is the problem here. | /r/MensRights | 29/05/13 02:45 AM |
| 5 | So the feminists at my uni have opened up a women's only space...It seems that almost every social organizational structure/ideology will eventually split into sects if left to grow and change for long enough. Relevant XKCD, as always | /r/MensRights | 29/05/13 01:45 AM |
| 1 | So the feminists at my uni have opened up a women's only space...I'm not. The things most women wear when working out make complete sense to work out in but are commonly called 'skanky' anyway, and it's not just push up bras that would be ogled. Many women need extra support because bouncing boobs are downright painful. "Men stare at you at the gym because you are dressed like a skank" is the most ridiculous argument. What are they supposed to wear? Small amounts of tight clothing that wick away sweat and don't get caught in machines, while providing breast s… | /r/MensRights | 29/05/13 01:04 AM |
| -1 | So the feminists at my uni have opened up a women's only space...Or maybe "I want to be sure the person I'm about to come out to and talk about my issues with is specifically able to understand them and is OK with me first"? The founders of my college GSA are a straight married couple. You don't have to be gay for someone gay to feel comfortable talking to you. | /r/MensRights | 28/05/13 11:23 PM |
| 1 | So the feminists at my uni have opened up a women's only space...I'm sure I don't need to type out a blow-by-blow of why pedophilia is so much more shocking and so much less acceptable than homosexuality, and yes, I do think most people would react much more negatively to a pedophile than to someone with two girlfriends. If you are talking specifically about child abuse, I can think of many people in teaching positions of giving support to students with personal problems who would gracefully handle drug addiction, spousal violence, LGBT issues and depression … | /r/MensRights | 28/05/13 11:18 PM |
| -4 | So the feminists at my uni have opened up a women's only space...Seriously. "dressed like a skank"? Oh I'm sorry, let me put on my pantsuit and hop on the elliptical. | /r/MensRights | 28/05/13 10:33 PM |
| 5 | So the feminists at my uni have opened up a women's only space...but you can't talk to them if it's something not related to being an alternative sexual interest Are you sure? Are you reeeaaally sure? Like, have you come up to a professor, said "I need someone to talk to, I may be homeless soon/my father beats me/I have an alcohol problem" and gotten the reply "no, no, come back when you like dick"? Because I somehow doubt there are multiple professors on a college campus who would advertise themselves as 'safe spaces' to talk about LGBT issues while turning … | /r/MensRights | 28/05/13 10:32 PM |
| 0 | So the feminists at my uni have opened up a women's only space...My gym had that; it was like a miniature gym behind fogged glass, so you had to walk through the "women's only area" door to get to the door to the women's lockers/showers. I'm female-to-male and this was at the beginning of my transition when I could pass as a guy if I was covered up, but I didn't feel nearly comfortable enough to use the men's lockers at that time. The women's area was quieter and had the 'feel good yoga' channel on, I noticed a lot of women used it for the more 'awkward' stuf… | /r/MensRights | 28/05/13 10:19 PM |
| 6 | What do you guys think of transgenders?I'm sure he is, it's just that he's a distasteful vocal minority. Being for men's rights and holding ignorant views towards transgender people are not mutually exclusive...just unfortunate. | /r/MensRights | 04/05/13 09:44 PM |
| 6 | What do you guys think of transgenders?If you are of the opinion that transgender people transition to grab social privilege, I heartily disagree and am exasperated to have to address ye olde "grass is greener" argument yet again. I blame Mulan for the pervasiveness. If that is not your opinion, I'll have to ask you to clarify. As it stands it looks like you and one other person think men have it so good in society that in modern-day America (I'm assuming) women will go through sex changes just to grab a slice of man-privilege-pie. | /r/MensRights | 04/05/13 09:24 PM |
| 6 | What do you guys think of transgenders?The women who think 'men own all the grass' are not changing sexes in order to get some of that grass, they are accusing transmen of doing so and being gender traitors. If you try to transition for social advantage because you think men have it 'better'...you're gonna have a bad time. | /r/MensRights | 04/05/13 09:04 PM |
| 2 | What do you guys think of transgenders?Well, he did ask "what do you think of transgenders." Disagreeing upvote. | /r/MensRights | 04/05/13 08:59 PM |
| 8 | What do you guys think of transgenders?Bohica69 replied to a post concerning female-to-male transgender men with an unwarranted kneejerk where he felt compelled to share with the class his distaste for transwomen and his personal sexual preferences while accusing people who weren't being talked about of being "predators." In other words, a classic example of a guy who hears "transgender" and jolts awake, thinking a longtime girlfriend has just come out to him as being a 'former man.' It's a trope by now. and disappointing. | /r/MensRights | 04/05/13 08:56 PM |
| 21 | What do you guys think of transgenders?As a female-to-male trans person who has been casually browsing /r/mensrights for a year now, this subreddit is quite welcoming of transmen (and transwomen) on the basis that anyone of any gender identity or physical sex can speak or learn about gender equality. The discussion is simply moreso aimed at male interest or discrimination against people because they are men or male or perceived as men or male. | /r/MensRights | 04/05/13 08:13 PM |
| 1 | I am a Female to Male Transgendered person and I plan on transitioning to being physically male as soon as I'm reasonably able to. Is there a place for someone like me in /r/mensrights?oooh yes, I misread. Cheerio. | /r/MensRights | 01/05/13 08:08 PM |
| 1 | I am a Female to Male Transgendered person and I plan on transitioning to being physically male as soon as I'm reasonably able to. Is there a place for someone like me in /r/mensrights?Opposite- a transman is someone who is female-to-male. The transwoman is someone who is male-to-female. The "man" in transman refers to their identity, not their original sex. Although, because of the confusion, many people unfamiliar with trans* issues will call a male-to-female person a "transsexual man" or "male transsexual." So basically...you gotta specify. MTF or FTM. | /r/MensRights | 30/04/13 01:46 AM |
| 1 | I am an FtM: Topics of interest?Social transition is going from being perceived as a woman to being perceived as a man, usually accomplished by gender presentation; some people can socially transition without hormones or surgery, but many need to start hormones at least (though it's generally easier for female-to-male than male-to-female.) From what OP has said, it's easy to see where the confusion could come from but I don't think he has socially transitioned yet (if he plans to do so before starting hormones.) | /r/MensRights | 30/04/13 01:40 AM |
| 2 | I am a Female to Male Transgendered person and I plan on transitioning to being physically male as soon as I'm reasonably able to. Is there a place for someone like me in /r/mensrights?For the record, fears of transgender people marrying "normies" only to have their unwitting spouses find out are incredibly blown out of proportion. These situations exist almost solely as hypothetical scare tactics to try to make trans women out as liars who love tricking straight men into having sex with penises. (This is the most effective form, since straight men seem to have the most visceral reaction to the thought and tend to be quick to agree that transwomen are nasty lying gay men.) You… | /r/MensRights | 29/04/13 09:35 AM |
| 1 | I am a Female to Male Transgendered person and I plan on transitioning to being physically male as soon as I'm reasonably able to. Is there a place for someone like me in /r/mensrights?I'm FTM and in the process of being an egg donor to satisfy this fear ("oh god, why didn't I pass on my genes?!" ten years from now). It is indeed one of the options, though for MTF it is so much easier to just hit the spank bank. | /r/MensRights | 29/04/13 08:58 AM |
| 5 | I just found out that a bicycle shop I really liked practices discrimination.Write a polite letter about feeling alienated because of their exclusion of men/lack of men's-only nights? That is, assuming you'd be OK with a men's-only night mirroring the women's-only night. Point is, write a letter if you're sure you don't want to volunteer there, or patronize the establishment without being a volunteer and write to them that, while you like the shop, having times where 'men need not show themselves' doesn't sit well with you. | /r/MensRights | 29/03/13 01:04 AM |
| 2 | Gay rights are men's rights.I'm a transman, it similarly seems that when MRA-types have a problem with me they say I'm an "angry trans woman" and when SRS-types have a problem with me they say I'm an "angry cis man." I don't know you at all, but I find the similar experience to be hilarious. | /r/MensRights | 28/03/13 05:10 PM |
| 9 | Conservatives on new transgender law: “The overriding issue with this new policy is that opening girls’ bathrooms to boys is an invasion of privacy and a threat to all students’ safety.”Seriously, don't even bother with u/NWOslave. The more you see of him on r/mensrights, the less sure you are of who he hates more: men in general, women in general, or LGBT people in general. | /r/MensRights | 22/02/13 05:58 AM |
| 8 | Men are compassionate and caring. Here are 34 photos of affectionate fathers and their children.I think it more speaks to the "men with small children are looked at as potential predators" thing going on in modern America, and a significant portion of men's rights activism or talking points seem to focus on the bad rep men as a whole get from it. I appreciated seeing these photos, not only because they're freakin' adorable but because it made me realize two things: 1) I still harbor at least some suspicion of grown men when they are in physical contact with children, despite not intending … | /r/MensRights | 04/02/13 06:44 PM |
| 1 | Why are people responsible for driving drunk, but not for having sexual relations while drunk?Some places in the US now have laws that get rid of the "knowingly" or "intentionally" part when it comes to statutory rape so that no matter who knows what it's still statutory, but haven't done so for rape law in general. This means that while "I didn't know she was drunk" for an adult man having sex with an adult woman can be a legal defense- albeit a very hard one to convince someone of-, "I didn't know she was underage" isn't. If two people drunk beyond reason had willing sex with each othe… | /r/MensRights | 20/01/13 08:15 PM |
| 3 | Why are people responsible for driving drunk, but not for having sexual relations while drunk?I'm sorry I left but i Thought about it and came back because that was weird There is no such place. Againyou are right the source I thought I was thinking of addressed many things but not this once i looked the 'mutual incapacitation' thingI cannot find a definitive answer but down the thread somone speaks I am now assuming it's possible for bothpeople to be charged just unlikelyin practice, hence the lack of cases but maybe there are examples to find PLEASE stop pretending to be a lawyer. IANA… | /r/MensRights | 19/01/13 02:12 PM |
| 0 | Why are people responsible for driving drunk, but not for having sexual relations while drunk?It depends on your jurisdiction's legal definition of rape, but if your girlfriend tried to press charges you would most likely (based on rape laws I've seen) only be able to be charged with second-degree rape; and only if she was not just drunk but so drunk she was mentally incapacitated; and only if you knew she was that drunk. Unless your area's definition of mental incapacity is "any amount of alcohol renders a person incapable of giving consent" or something. | /r/MensRights | 19/01/13 11:28 AM |
| -3 | Why are people responsible for driving drunk, but not for having sexual relations while drunk?This isn't an argument. It would really speed things along if you could go ahead and tell me if you think any laws are justified and why, instead of leading me on a merry anarchist goose chase. And where do you draw the line for "caution"? If someone seems to not be able to make rational decisions, perhaps you should not have sex with them. More importantly, why is that the position to draw the line, and not some other position? Mostly because I was born and raised here and now. If I lives somew… | /r/MensRights | 19/01/13 11:21 AM |
| 0 | Why are people responsible for driving drunk, but not for having sexual relations while drunk?In all legal definitions that I've seen rape is knowingly having sex with someone without that person's consent. Drunkenness comes into it because at the same time, if the person is mentally incapacitated (by liquor, drugs, or insanity) they cannot consent and/or they should be presumed to have not given consent until they are of sound mind. If one person is sober and one is incapacitated, the sober person has committed rape if they have sex with the drunk person; but if both are incapacitated a… | /r/MensRights | 19/01/13 11:11 AM |
| -2 | Why are people responsible for driving drunk, but not for having sexual relations while drunk?Call me crazy, but I think it's wrong to have sex with someone who doesn't give informed consent. Erring on the side of caution regarding people who can't look after themselves- like, say, by not having sex with them because you're not sure they know what's going on- is completely reasonable, and I cannot fathom any situation in which someone would think it is OK. If you think I'm morally bankrupt for this, well, that's fine, everyone's entitled to their opinions; but mine is that you're a psych… | /r/MensRights | 19/01/13 11:06 AM |
| -6 | Why are people responsible for driving drunk, but not for having sexual relations while drunk?The idea of "informed consent" is meaningless I strongly disagree, and think it is the responsibility of the lucid party to err on the side of not having sex with someone if their ability to reason is impaired, regardless of how they believe that person came to be in that state. As far as I have seen, most American state laws regarding rape (and medical procedures and legal contracts) are of the same opinion. I agree that people should not get drunk if they don't like what they do while drunk, b… | /r/MensRights | 19/01/13 10:34 AM |
| -5 | Why are people responsible for driving drunk, but not for having sexual relations while drunk?Yes, actually, someone who knows another person isn't capable of giving informed consent is responsible for not having sex with them. A mentally incapacitated person can say "yes, yes, yes", it doesn't mean you have the right to have sex with them. Not having sex with someone =/= babysitting them. | /r/MensRights | 19/01/13 10:12 AM |
| -2 | Why are people responsible for driving drunk, but not for having sexual relations while drunk?You're right, I'm wheeling, especially the "intended to rape someone" part; IANAL and laws depend on location, YMMV, etc. Not knowing someone is incapable of giving consent- like not knowing someone is drunk- would be a defense if the law for that area is when they knowingly have sex with someone without that person's consent and if excessive alcohol renders a person incapable of giving consent. In practice, however, it is both extremely hard to not know that someone is too drunk to consent, and… | /r/MensRights | 19/01/13 10:10 AM |
| 4 | Why are people responsible for driving drunk, but not for having sexual relations while drunk?Who is responsible then? They're both 'responsible' for getting themselves drunk, but neither has committed rape. Unfortunately, as so many here are aware, there are many who would convict Johnny in such an instance. When it comes to culpability and "should-bes", however, he's not guilty because he didn't know. | /r/MensRights | 19/01/13 10:00 AM |
| 4 | Why are people responsible for driving drunk, but not for having sexual relations while drunk?Truthfully I get embarrassed for MR when people conflate drunk driving with drunk sexing. The point isn't that someone had sex while drunk- for one thing, casualties are usually limited to an elbow to the eye- the point is that someone not drunk chose to have sex with someone they knew was drunk. I personally think it's bloody stupid to get plastered without lots of risk mitigation, but stupid of getting drunk does not in any way excuse evil of taking advantage of someone you know is not capable… | /r/MensRights | 19/01/13 09:46 AM |
| -2 | Why are people responsible for driving drunk, but not for having sexual relations while drunk?If you're saying actual convictions and how men are persecuted is unfair and disregards the legal definitions, say that, don't say "it's consent if a drunk man says yes." It's not. Women are also charged with DUIs and are also guilty if they get drunk or take drugs and steal or attack someone. Degrees of drunkenness also depend on the location's specific laws and are determined by the those examining the evidence, but frequently it's either "beyond capacity for reason" or not. Passed out is defi… | /r/MensRights | 19/01/13 09:38 AM |
| 7 | Why are people responsible for driving drunk, but not for having sexual relations while drunk?A person who is beyond capacity and says "yes" to sex is responsible for their condition because they chose to drink, but they haven't committed a crime; a sober person who has sex with the previous person has committed a crime if they knew that person was incapacitated and had sex with them anyway. Sitting around being drunk isn't a crime. | /r/MensRights | 19/01/13 09:32 AM |
| 0 | Why are people responsible for driving drunk, but not for having sexual relations while drunk?I think it's completely practical to have a "presumed nonconsent unless mentally sound" rule, just like we don't consider contracts signed by people on LSD at the time to be valid even if they're super excited to do it. | /r/MensRights | 19/01/13 09:20 AM |
| -5 | Why are people responsible for driving drunk, but not for having sexual relations while drunk?Is this what you actually believe, or are you pointing out the sexist wording of a law somewhere? | /r/MensRights | 19/01/13 09:18 AM |
| -3 | Why are people responsible for driving drunk, but not for having sexual relations while drunk?This varies by location, but generally nonconsent is the standard and a person cannot give consent if mentally incapacitated (like if they're drunk or in a psychotic breakdown.) | /r/MensRights | 19/01/13 09:10 AM |
| 8 | Why are people responsible for driving drunk, but not for having sexual relations while drunk?They don't cancel each other out- no rape was committed. The law would only be broken (for most US states whose rape laws I've seen) if one person purposefully got the other drunk without the other one knowing and then got him/herself drunk to have sex with the second person; and in that case it might not be rape they are charged with, the prosecution could focus more on them orchestrating the endeavor. Keep in mind rape definitions vary in the US but still stick to the presence or absence of a … | /r/MensRights | 19/01/13 09:08 AM |
| 82 | Why are people responsible for driving drunk, but not for having sexual relations while drunk?If you know the other person is mentally incapacitated, you can't take advantage of them even if they say "yes." It's the same reason contracts are invalid if one person is drunk. A car can't say "no, don't drive me", but a person can say "no, you're drunk." It's the responsibility of the sober person to say no, not go along with it, because they know the drunk person can't consent in their state. If the drunk person had sex with the sober person without the sober person's consent, the drunk per… | /r/MensRights | 19/01/13 08:19 AM |
| 0 | Why are people responsible for driving drunk, but not for having sexual relations while drunk?Because it takes two to tango. A car can't look at you and say "I know you're drunk, but baby, you gotta put your keys in me." Or "No way- you're boozed!" For explanation in pictorial format (and a damn interesting ongoing series on legal issues to boot), see The Illustrated Guide to Criminal Law which has a specific section devoted to rape, and why having sex with a drunk person is illegal. | /r/MensRights | 19/01/13 07:48 AM |
| 4 | How I feel about "Gender Inequality"I've lived as a man and a woman, for my demographics and location I'd agree. When people ask me "who has it better" the best I can answer is just what you said- neither overall, there are just different things better and different things worse. It entirely depends on what you as an individual value. | /r/MensRights | 19/01/13 03:53 AM |
| 2 | How I feel about "Gender Inequality"Does this also mean that it cannot be claimed that one gender has it worse? | /r/MensRights | 19/01/13 03:51 AM |
| 1 | Does the Men's Rights movement support gay rights?But the discrimination they face for being gay pales in comparison to the discrimination they face for being men. wat Could you elaborate? | /r/MensRights | 02/01/13 02:17 PM |
| 2 | Do you find yourself discussing foreskin preferences with friends? You might just be a Horrible Person.I've multiple times found myself in this situation in a group of all women or all men, but never both; I always considered it like talking about vaginas, if you have preferences or questions or criticisms, you keep it to a one-gender group setup. Talking about genitals can help you feel good about your own, let others feel good about theirs, help you get feedback ("hey guys...not to be weird, but, does anyone else ---?" "yeah, all the time" or "you should see a doctor"), but you shouldn't dispar… | /r/MensRights | 02/01/13 02:14 PM |
| 7 | The toy double standard.Ok, now don't imagine the ugliest person ever or anything, but think of someone like people you've actually met in your life who you hadno attraction to whatsoever or were actively repulsed by, either because they're huge assholes or physically way out of your tastes or had terribly boring/offputting prsonalities or all three, and then think how much it would take for you to have protected sex with them. I think most girls take into account that it may very well be an obese middle-aged men who i… | /r/MensRights | 01/01/13 10:41 AM |
| 4 | The toy double standard.To anyone? I mean, think about it...what kind of people do you suppose are paying to take someone's virginity? | /r/MensRights | 01/01/13 09:02 AM |
| 1 | So who is really to blame for the sexual power women have?When I presented as a woman, I had far more people expressing sexual desire for me than I did presenting as a man. I see it as an extremely obvious supply/demand scenario, and exactly what I think the OP is getting at: the net demand by men for sex with women is greater than the net demand by women for sex with men. It's very easy to see yourself as more valuable or ask for more in return or get more picky if you have a lot to choose from. | /r/MensRights | 01/01/13 08:44 AM |
| 8 | The toy double standard.For years I thought "orgasm" was "feeling really nice when fiddling 'round down there." Then on recommendation from The Internet, I starting using waterplay. After several months of that I finally had my first orgasm, and from there it gradually got easier to be able to, but for a long time I could still not "finish" on my own, it was very frustrating; now, in my 20s, I still have or meet female friends who have never orgasmed or who only got to experience it when given a vibrator/had one used o… | /r/MensRights | 01/01/13 08:25 AM |
| 1 | Can We Try To Focus on Men's Rights, not "I Hate Feminists!" jokes?If you're of the impression that I think otherwise, I don't. I was commenting on user NWOslave's apparent notion that groups striving for equality beyond "life, freedom and property" are useless/shouldn't exist, and that if he thinks this is only true of gay rights and trans rights groups, but not men's rights, he's a huge hypocrite. | /r/MensRights | 01/01/13 07:31 AM |
| 1 | Can We Try To Focus on Men's Rights, not "I Hate Feminists!" jokes?You seem more benign than I first assumed, I'm sorry for presuming hostility- it sounded like you were telling me discrimination against gay people and transgender people is imagined. In replying to me, I thought you were throwing in your lot with this guy: What exactly is a gay right or a trans right? Have they got the right to life, freedom and property. Well that's all there is there aint no more. There's no such thing as gay rights or trans rights. when by his own logic, this should also mea… | /r/MensRights | 01/01/13 01:29 AM |
| 1 | Can We Try To Focus on Men's Rights, not "I Hate Feminists!" jokes?But the men's rights movement is the sole one that needs supporting, or are you here to tell r/mensrights they should disband? | /r/MensRights | 31/12/12 11:42 AM |
| 0 | The petty little gender issue that personally annoys the crap out of me.I have experience with this in other areas of life, but I can't say it's ever been from the people checking out my groceries. People in customer service positions seem to me to be uniformly nice, as is their job. When I'm out and about I will sometimes exchange a friendly few sentences with people if, say, we're browsing the same item in the store, or I like their shoes or whatever, and I have more success with women because they're often chattier with me. Men seem to take it as an active annoya… | /r/MensRights | 31/12/12 06:34 AM |
| 5 | Can We Try To Focus on Men's Rights, not "I Hate Feminists!" jokes?If you don't think there are/should be "gay rights" or "trans rights" but are here to support "men's rights", congratulations, you are now the new standard for hypocrisy. | /r/MensRights | 31/12/12 03:48 AM |
| 8 | Guilty of Aggravated Sexual Assault for not Disclosing HIV+ Status. r/MensRights, what are your thoughts on this?I don't know all the details of the story, but from the article it seems both deserve the guilty verdict. If you know you have HIV and have sex with someone without telling them and gaining their informed consent beforehand you are at best dangerously neglectful for others' safety and at worst a homicidal maniac. | /r/MensRights | 20/12/12 05:19 AM |
| -1 | Double standards in sportsMRA hates Harry Potter. It kind of explains the lack of magic around here. | /r/MensRights | 18/12/12 04:10 AM |
| 5 | What are the "perks" that men have?While I can't come up with any legal changes (this probably has more to do with my age and lack of experience), as someone who has lived as both a man and a woman in my experience the biggest perks are being seen as more capable, more trustworthy, an automatic leader, and generally more respectable compared with the social climate when being perceived to be female. Nobody questions who I am or where I'm going and I'm frequently assumed to be above my actual position when people think I'm a man. … | /r/MensRights | 10/12/12 06:17 AM |
| 10 | Apparently the phrase "die cis scum" was invented by the Men's Rights Movement. /sI use that as evidence to argue that most trans women really have male brains because they are attracted to women. ...>implying females who identify as women and are lesbians have male brains In like three comments you went from "I'm not agreeing with radfems and that's not what I'm saying at all!" to "bee tee dubs, transsexuals aren't real and are faking it because gay." Way to go. | /r/MensRights | 06/11/12 05:56 PM |
| 9 | Apparently the phrase "die cis scum" was invented by the Men's Rights Movement. /sI used to think the MRM was anti-trans. Now after about a year of semi-experience my judgement is that Reddit's MensRights is pro-trans, with of course a few bad apples. Can't speak on MRM as a whole, but in general it seems to be a neutral topic. Best thing is I haven't seen the male-perspective equivalent of radfem anti-trans sentiment. | /r/MensRights | 06/11/12 04:49 PM |
| 8 | Apparently the phrase "die cis scum" was invented by the Men's Rights Movement. /sA trans woman who is a lesbian is just as real a lesbian as a cis woman who is a trans woman. I think you mean lesbian. :) Being transgender is extremely disadvantageous in society, and people still "choose" that route. Why would this be? Because we don't "choose" to be trans, we just are. and this. Precisely. It's not like transwomen go through all the trouble and pain and anti-trans bullshit with the intent of getting that big jewel of privilege- having doors held for them on a good day. Edit … | /r/MensRights | 06/11/12 04:40 PM |
| 21 | Apparently the phrase "die cis scum" was invented by the Men's Rights Movement. /sIf women didn't have all the special privileges there would be fewer MtFs. You would not believe how many times I've heard the opposite ("If men didn't have all the special privileges there would be fewer FTMs.") Saying this kind of thing doesn't lend more support to your proposition, it just makes you sound like a radmen. Both of these assertions boil down to the "trans people transition for privilege" implication, which is complete bullshit. Perpetuating this cultural myth about transgender pe… | /r/MensRights | 06/11/12 04:33 PM |
| 1 | Bizarre thing happened in the men's toilets yesterday.To use a men's bathroom you must anatomically be a male. Obviously not, since I've been using them just fine and have thus far not missed a piss or burst into flames. It's almost as if...my anatomy...allows me to use toilets wherever they are? I'm a liberal and I believe in equality and all that shit but your're being entitled and your mentality is quite disturbing. On the Internet people get pissed off at the thought of me using the men's room. IRL people get pissed off at the thought of me usi… | /r/MensRights | 02/11/12 09:15 AM |
| 4 | Bizarre thing happened in the men's toilets yesterday.Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know you needed a dick to use the bathroom. Are you the dick-checker? DIIIICk, CHECKAH! DICK CHEKAH! GET YOUR DICK-CHECKAH HERE! | /r/MensRights | 02/11/12 05:49 AM |
| 2 | Bizarre thing happened in the men's toilets yesterday.I'm not male, but I look like/live/identify as a guy so I use the men's rooms as much for comfort as for practicality. | /r/MensRights | 02/11/12 05:43 AM |
| 1 | Bizarre thing happened in the men's toilets yesterday.I have had no medical procedures as of now, everything down there functions like any other born-female's. The only thing that can get hard is my clitoris. | /r/MensRights | 02/11/12 05:34 AM |
| 11 | Bizarre thing happened in the men's toilets yesterday.Close and an understandable assumption, but I'm F -> M. These instances happened before I started using the men's restrooms fulltime (and were part of the reason I switched over to men's rooms, since it meant I passed) or after the transition, where I needed to use the women's restrooms for some reason (like not being "out" to someone I was with.) | /r/MensRights | 02/11/12 03:54 AM |
| 6 | Bizarre thing happened in the men's toilets yesterday.First 18 years of my life, whenever I'm in public with my family, whenever someone who knew me from before my transition/someone who knows I was born female is around, and when I'm on my period. | /r/MensRights | 02/11/12 03:51 AM |
| 1 | Bizarre thing happened in the men's toilets yesterday.Sorry, by that last sentence I meant that I had never seen shitwords in the women's room, but I have seen shitwords and random turds (??) in the men's. Women seem to get urine and period sprinkles everywhere. Men seem to get shit everywhere and literally spray the walls with piss. In my experience, I'd rank the women's as more cleanly, if at the same time more...diverse. | /r/MensRights | 02/11/12 02:40 AM |
| 22 | Bizarre thing happened in the men's toilets yesterday.Agreed ... your brother would have been in jail had he attempted to use the women's toilets. I doubt it. I've had people "speak" to me a few times- for being a man in the women's rooms- and yes, while humiliating and uncalled for, no one ever attempted to arrest me or forcibly remove me. It's the employees or security guards of whatever establishment that do it and they are just as concerned with not causing a ruckus. Maybe if I was in a bar a bouncer would come in and kick me out, but "jail" wa… | /r/MensRights | 02/11/12 01:55 AM |
| 3 | Bizarre thing happened in the men's toilets yesterday.Never calling it anything else ever again. | /r/MensRights | 02/11/12 01:42 AM |
| 3 | Bizarre thing happened in the men's toilets yesterday.Sandwiches could have meant "what if they were female-to-male trans?", as in "people who appear female but are men". I remember my first forays into the men's restrooms, and it was with another FTM friend because we were both too pussy to go alone. All in all I highly doubt that was the case here, though. | /r/MensRights | 02/11/12 01:42 AM |
| 3 | Bizarre thing happened in the men's toilets yesterday.Ladies have "called the cops" on me before for being in the women's rooms, the most it amounts to is an employee or security guard of the establishment asking if I know it's the women's room or giving me the stinkeye until I leave. Literal cops are not involved. I think they'd laugh. | /r/MensRights | 02/11/12 01:37 AM |
| 2 | Bizarre thing happened in the men's toilets yesterday.I don't know if I live in Bizarro-world or what, but having used women's restrooms for the first 18 years of my life and men's exclusively for the past two I have to say the men's are worse. Yeah I don't have to deal with tampons anymore, but I never saw words written in shit on the walls of the women's rooms. | /r/MensRights | 02/11/12 01:34 AM |
| 4 | "Men get treated like s***" - Female to male transexual. Thought this was interesting.Sure, but first, a disclaimer: As I previously mentioned, this is completely dependent on what I as a person value and do not apply to everyone automatically. My experiences are my own and obviously life is better for me as a man because I was experiencing gender dysphoria from living as a woman. However, I will try to divorce dysphoria from social observation here, and I think I do have at least something of an idea about the effects presenting as a man had compared to presenting as a woman. Th… | /r/MensRights | 25/10/12 06:04 PM |
| 3 | "Men get treated like s***" - Female to male transexual. Thought this was interesting.But if a women could live for a while as a man I have no doubt whatsoever she will come to the same conclusion as Ms. Vincent. I've been living as a man for two years now, I can't say I agree. There's no huge step upwards or downwards; just a shift of advantages and disadvantages, privilege and problem. Whether it's better or worse for you depends entirely on what you value. "I really like being a woman. ... I like it more now because I think it's more of a privilege." "I really like being a man… | /r/MensRights | 25/10/12 08:56 AM |
| 1 | "Men get treated like s***" - Female to male transexual. Thought this was interesting.Could you elaborate? I can think of many cases of women both being told things are their fault, but that they're so stupid, so it's kind of not, which isn't all that great of a way to treat someone anyway. | /r/MensRights | 25/10/12 08:47 AM |
| 3 | "Men get treated like s***" - Female to male transexual. Thought this was interesting.When transwomen recount their culture shock about now being mistreated as women, I tend to believe them rather than suspecting they're making shit up to fit in with feminazis. If you weren't insinuating that, I apologize. for a ftm who has to have a heavy landing from falling off the female pedestal? I think it's more of a shock at realizing that men are mistreated sometimes, too, just in different ways. If everyone is told "women have it worse" constantly, than it makes sense that an MTF would … | /r/MensRights | 25/10/12 08:44 AM |
| 1 | "Men get treated like s***" - Female to male transexual. Thought this was interesting.Most trans people I know do in fact want to meet an aesthetic Couldn't you say that about everyone? It's almost hoodoopsychic coldreading how vague the poster you're replying to is. I'd like to take this opportunity to say- in person? Maybe you guys only meet hardcore attention seekers who broadcast far and wide their trans-ness because those that don't are, you know, going about their daily lives as passing members of their target gender. It pisses me off when I see people online hemming and ha… | /r/MensRights | 25/10/12 08:24 AM |
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