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I think Purple Pill is the old sexism. It has a certain idea of a high-value man or woman, a certain dynamic that's meant to exist between the sexes, and societal roles for each. It can be benevolent, even romantic, and may be many people's cup of tea. It tends to be sceptical that relationship value can be won through cheap tricks or manipulation. But it's based on fixed images and roles, not any really solid concepts, and doesn't realise that the ideals it holds up are not for everybody Confus…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/16 08:51 PM
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I reckon the distinction should be polygyny vs. monogamy, not short-term mating vs. long-term mating. By the standards of many animals, human fertility is not that good, so some degree of focus is helpful. There's more precedent for men having lots of kids by having multiple wives and concubines, than by acting like Casanova. These were the guys with the power and resources. Also, I suspect that figure where we have a lot fewer male ancestors than female ancestors involved some degree of mass sl…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/16 07:48 PM
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Oh, chill out. Nobody is out to make you cry. I thought TRP was supposed to endorse self-improvement and building psychological fortitude. The best way to do that, short of having life beat the lessons through your skull forcibly, is observing and analysing your own mental states. Even the ones you don't like. That means acknowledging they exist. I'm still bemused with this alternate universe in which TRPers were raised, in which every boy watches Disney princess films and gets brainwashed to fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/16 07:30 PM
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There are population-level sex differences, some of which are a product of biology, some of which are a product of socialization, and most of which are a product of a combination. I would like to point out a difference in the way that evo-psych view and the social view apparently consider biology-environment interactions. The supporters of both views seem to use the term differently - and while they're not being disingenuous, it can look that way as a result. In the evo-psych view, the primary r…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/16 06:07 PM
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So you're invoking Chesterton's Fence? The principle is that you don't change something until you know what it's for. Well, I'm just going to ignore your verbal tics like 'beta' and 'cuck', because you poor dears are basically helpless to do anything about it. I've already addressed the point of why masculine and feminine virtues are categorised that way - the sexual division of labour is a big reason. It's a useful way of funnelling young men and women towards the traits and skills they need to…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/16 06:49 PM
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Why should morals and virtues be based on the sexual division of labour, of all things? Alright, it might have made sense in the context of some times and places, but your typical Anglophone country isn't one of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/16 05:05 PM
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Maybe? I'm sure some interventions are terrible and useless, and your cynical assessment might well be the right one. But this study suggests that early therapy can sometimes mask the signs of autism (i.e. help attain normal functioning). I realise that those acquainted with autism rights issues will want to shun the things that have harmed them and others; but I don't think it's good to reject potentially-helpful things out of hand, either*. That said, I think teaching social skills should be a…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 01:13 AM
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Porn, like any other form of fiction, often uses some form of narrative to entertain the audience beyond straightforward visual stimulation. I'm not talking about 'plot' here. What I mean is something generally very simple and rudimentary ('woman likes men with big cocks', 'man dominates woman' or somesuch). If you think about porn as a form of fiction, then it's quite straightforward to realise that it can be made sexist and degrading - for the same reason a work of fiction like the Turner Diar…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/16 10:59 PM
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It's like Immanuel Kant joined the KKK.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/16 01:22 PM
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I assume you've seen both kinds of relationship in action, then? How do they tend to work in your experience?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/16 12:23 AM
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I'm just saying suicide shouldn't vindicate anything or anyone. It shouldn't prove a point, any more than violence against someone else should prove a point. That attitude is probably a contributor to suicide.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/16 08:48 PM
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Suicide, by men or otherwise, is not a gun for some political tendency to hold the rest of society hostage with.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/16 08:22 PM
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Attractiveness shouldn't follow a normal distribution, it will be very skewed towards the unattractive end. The low tail is going to be much larger than the high tail, because there are more ways to knock someone's looks down than improve them. There's nobody in the world who is more beautiful than the average person to the same degree that the average person is better-looking than the Elephant Man. The mean (5/10) is likely to be lower than the median (6/10?).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/16 02:53 PM
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TRPers will often evoke the "Dual-Mating hypothesis", an evolutionary psychology hypothesis that states that coupled women settle for an high status man while simultaneously looking for a good looking masculine man to cheat on their spouses, because this man supposedly has better genes than their primary partners, specifically during the more fertile phases of their mentrual cycles. There's the hidden assumption that masculinity is a better indicator of fitness than having actually succeeded eno…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 08:44 PM
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Well, yes, actually. That rape rate is too low to constitute evidence that rape is part of an instinctive sexual strategy, rather than being better explained in terms of more proximal causes and motivations. Most BPers don't believe the brain has a rape module. It is not so low that rape is a non-issue personally, because it is a great crime against somebody. Likewise, people cheat and men need to be aware of that. But if women are trying to get the top 10% of genes or whatever, they're doing a …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/16 02:23 PM
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It's like somebody took TRP and TRP's stereotype of 'mainstream BP dating advice' then put them in a blender. I eagerly await your novel takes on 'just be yourself' and other cliches.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/16 01:39 PM
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How would you get "modern" data then? Go 50 years into the future when current generation is old enough to provide it? The charts in that article show scores for 7, 11 and 16 years. There's no 50-year olds there, unless my eyes fail me. And why would it even change with time? Are you joking? Those miniscule differences in your article are well within the range of environmental variation. Even just going for the crudest of biological indicators, the average age of menarche is gradually going down…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/16 02:29 PM
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A cohort born in 1958 is old data, and the demonstrated difference is small indeed. That's why almost all male supremacists these day use the 'wide bell curve' argument (because they consider themselves smart, saying they have fewer female peers is basically the same to them) or posit some vague essence of masculinity that women lack. I am aware of precisely one piece of evidence that suggests any kind of male advantage. According to this article, boys used to outscore girls on Piagetian tasks i…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/16 01:48 PM
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They tend to occur in the same people, rather than there being separate groups of dominants and submissives.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 10:52 PM
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Oops. I didn't explain my reasoning well. The numbers for 'forced sex' are (10.8% female, 22.6% male). The numbers for 'unconscious sex' are (10.8% female, 22.0% male). Since these figures were so similar - eyeballing the chart, I didn't spot any pairs that were more similar - I got the idea that they were heavily-overlapping groups. For example, the numbers for 'being urinated on' were (3.5% female, 10% male) and the numbers for 'urinating on' are (3.5% female, 8.9% male). These were the second…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 10:47 PM
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I believe the same survey (a PPD classic) found that dominance and submission fantasies are correlated, so the presence of switches (as I mentioned in another thread) could possibly explain the discrepancy. I imagine people who are willing to sit through long online surveys about intimate details of their lives are not perfectly representative of the general population, though. My observations this time around: There's an awful lot of same-sex fantasies in there, more than the proportion of the …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 05:48 PM
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I can't find the full text. Oh, well. I was wondering if they checked whether the height difference correlated better than the absolute male height. I assume they would, but you never know. Some cross-cultural comparisons would be ideal, but a bit of a high bar. Myself, I quite like my very-close-to-the-male-average height, and would rather absorb some loss of attractiveness than become taller. In a strange way, that's almost selfish in the light of this finding. Perhaps penis-possessing PPDers …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 11:17 PM
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I honestly thought it was him walking ever-so-slightly behind her instead of leading.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 05:17 PM
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Surely you can make up a just-so story for why one side does or does not advocate against any random issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 08:31 PM
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The evopsych explanation would be that fathers essentially share female interests when it comes to their daughters, so by instinct they make sure they only get the best mates and providers. Likewise, mothers share male interests where their sons are concerned, which is why RP men always have good words to say about what their mothers taught them (snort). A more prosaic explanation is that not all men are actually trustworthy. More speculatively, some patrilineal societies have traditionally main…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 04:58 PM
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S.M. Stirling's Draka, then. But with less women's rights. Well, the flair checks out.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 02:32 PM
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Actually, what about the switches? In principle, if all of the OKCupid women were switches leaning to the submissive side, they would all answer that they preferred a 'dominant' or 'balanced' partner. That would fit TRP dogma well, yet a relevant detail would have been missed. In a sexual context, it would be more helpful to ask about dominance and submission separately, rather than setting them in opposition. Even in a lifestyle context, there are different spheres of activity in which preferen…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 12:41 AM
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What's your justification for tying femininity to preferring child-like parental modes of attachment and deferring responsibility? That is actually radfem thinking, as I see it. And you say it's learned! That is a very radfem viewpoint too. What does excessive child-like attachment have to do with 'other' feminine traits? It's just a form of immaturity, that's all.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 10:20 PM
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More RP in values or beliefs? There's a difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 07:24 PM
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Haha, you nitwit! They got the charts the wrong way around! All of your criticisms of women now apply to men!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 06:49 PM
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I'm mostly surprised by the women's leap in 'good financial prospect' by five ranks (which I'd expect not to be a random fluctuation). Wasn't 1939 the end of the Great Depression, and 2008 the start of the Great Recession? Neither were booming economic times, but 2008 should have a better financial outlook for women. Hang on, doesn't the arrow chart get the genders the wrong way round? It's giving the numbers for the partner's gender when it should be participant's gender! So it's actually the m…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 06:42 PM
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The typical beta. But this doesn't add up to the autism. How can I be a highly sensitive aspie? Sure you can. You can have impaired cognitive empathy without lessened emotional empathy. Even social skills can be less impaired than some would have you believe, if you're looking at high-functioning adults; a few less points on 'reading the mind in the eyes' tests, but not zero.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 09:15 AM
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That sounds like a concession to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/16 05:30 PM
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For some reason, racialist types love to overfit the data. There's more high-IQ black girls? Must be genetic, there's no way environmental factors could affect the sexes differently. Mixed kids with white mothers do better? Can't be anything to do with upbringing, it must be that IQ is inherited maternally. Nigerians do well in the West? They're not just more educated than other black demographics, they're the 'Jews of West Africa'. Everything must have some deep theory behind it. This seems to …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/16 04:08 PM
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You appear to be reinventing the wheel of feminist criticism, except with TRP instead of feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/16 04:28 PM
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If you had a large enough dataset of personal traits and relationship histories, you could find factors that correlate with those characteristics - like the 'g' factor in cognitive research. I'd venture that you'd see correlations between height, subjective attractiveness ratings, number of sexual partners and so forth. If you wanted, you could label that the 'SMV'. Then there'd be other predictive traits like alcohol consumption which have nothing to do with attractiveness, but intuitively migh…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/15 06:37 PM
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No, not really. The moment that I first realised I agreed with feminists was when I overheard a woman wonder out loud to another woman whether somebody could really have been raped because she was promiscuous. (You could state a sexual economics explanation, but even that is not inconsistent with feminism.)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 03:36 PM
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Male INTP, Blue Pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/15 07:14 PM
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I'm not saying it should be ignored. I mean it doesn't follow either a right- or left-wing narrative. It just is.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/15 11:09 PM
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Neuroskeptic on the male-female suicide ratio: it's not changed much for a century. Wikipedia on suicide rates by country: the male rate is three times higher even in Saudi Arabia, a patriarchal society. This doesn't look like an ideological issue to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/15 10:43 PM
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Well, they could be British, but that might fall under 'got something wrong with them'.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/15 12:05 PM
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I've seen both claims. Here is the study I was referring to. The high-functioning ASD adult sample were more androgynous in both sexes, including a higher digit ratio in males. For my own part as a high-functioning ASD male, my index finger looks longer than my ring finger on both hands, though I haven't measured them properly.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 11:57 AM
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I always thought that theory seemed a bit fishy. Wasn't there a study that actually found a higher (more feminised) digit ratio in autistic males?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 04:47 PM
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This is called a crush. I don't know why everyone is acting like they have never heard such a thing described.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 05:34 PM
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The claim about the white matter and grey matter is a popular myth that makes no sense when you actually think about it. A ten times difference in the amount of white matter, really? How little space do they think white matter takes up in men, for women not to need gigantic heads to fit it all in? It's mind-boggling. Well, I actually managed to find the journal article (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15734366) that gave rise to the claim. I am going off memory here, so my description may not…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 05:12 PM
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