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| 34 | How does RedPill address these statistics and this line of research? | Red Pill Theory | trglpur | /r/TheRedPill | 22/04/13 06:46 AM |
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| 1 | How does RedPill address these statistics and this line of research?Yeah, I would say it does. "husband treats his wife with respect and does not resist power sharing" Does not mesh with: there is no question that he is in charge and making the decisions Also, My first immediate thought is that hypergamy and women's propensity to cheat should not be too closely linked. Fair enough, but as I browsed the comments and content before I posted, it seemed like most people used ramptant cheating as evidence of hypergamy. This is what I was addressing. Anyway, as I ment… | /r/TheRedPill | 06/07/13 03:54 AM |
| 1 | How does RedPill address these statistics and this line of research?Outside of the general (no shit) advice of "women are attracted to confidence, assertiveness, and self-respect" my personal experience does not really support RedPill theory (unless I really want to stretch things to fit). | /r/TheRedPill | 23/04/13 04:26 AM |
| 1 | How does RedPill address these statistics and this line of research?Ok, fair enough. Thank you for the response. The fact is, it's clear to me that there are lines of research (like Gottman's), in addition to numerous statistics, that together provide compelling evidence against much of the RedPill ideology. If there really isn't any research out there supporting RedPill thought (and at this point, with all of the research that's been done, there really should be something) that can compete with that, then it appears there's much more of a compelling reason to n… | /r/TheRedPill | 23/04/13 03:39 AM |
| 2 | What a piece of shit this subreddit isI can't wait for this to be downvoted into oblivion just to show that you people are the real pussies who can't retort a single point made in this post. To be fair, "you guys are dumb misogynists" isn't really an arguable point. If you want to see RedPill fail to make coherent counter-arguments look no further. | /r/TheRedPill | 23/04/13 02:45 AM |
| 2 | How does RedPill address these statistics and this line of research?Are you serious with that Dalrock post? I'm sorry but that was ridiculous. He uses the fact that divorce rates are highest in the beginning of a marriage as evidence that women are committing divorce based on the incentive to commit divorce theft? Talk about a leap of logic. What about the fact that, I don't know, people are going to find that they're not a good match well before they've been together for 25 years? The "boots" paper I covered in a reply to somebody else. It's an interesting read… | /r/TheRedPill | 22/04/13 08:59 PM |
| 5 | How does RedPill address these statistics and this line of research?Thank you. I'm happy to see some more hard data. That said, I'm not sure how the Dugatkin study demonstrates that only woman and not men are on the lookout for a) the most desirable woman to have sex with or b) the most desirable woman to date and/or marry. To me it just indicates that men put less stock in the opinions of other guys and are more prone to evaluate women based on their own criteria. Regarding the ranking of people on a scale. I agree that you can take gross averages and put peopl… | /r/TheRedPill | 22/04/13 08:46 PM |
| 0 | How does RedPill address these statistics and this line of research?Ok, semantics, whatever. The main point I'm trying to get at is having an attitude that is different from the Gottman pull quote I used. Call it being in "control" or being a "confident, leading man," or whatever you want. | /r/TheRedPill | 22/04/13 07:31 PM |
| 2 | How does RedPill address these statistics and this line of research?"but give her the choice between a father figure, an asshole, and a sniveling boy and the father figure will win, every time. part of that is giving validation, creating boundaries, being clearly in control" | /r/TheRedPill | 22/04/13 07:05 PM |
| 1 | How does RedPill address these statistics and this line of research?the real question is, when infidelity (or heck, a legitimate relationship/marriage) happens, how does the male compare to the female? Ok, then I'm looking for some hard info on that. Do you have any? The only reason I specifically brought up the cheating rates is because many people in other threads seemed to use that as evidence for hypergamy. I realize the hypocrisy of demanding harder data while blithely throwing around made-up terms like "feminine imperative" and "rationalization hamster." I… | /r/TheRedPill | 22/04/13 07:01 PM |
| 0 | How does RedPill address these statistics and this line of research?I know it's quality research and is well respected, so I don't need you to chase it down for me (you'd probably have to get through the pay walls or check your book store). I'm asking you to provide a counterpoint with some hard data that you also deem of high quality. Yes, most women and most men will cheat at some point, with men cheating more frequently than women. (I'd imagine that most of those instances of cheating are with younger and less mature couples.) Anyway, big whoop, both genders … | /r/TheRedPill | 22/04/13 06:52 PM |
| 0 | How does RedPill address these statistics and this line of research?Where is there evidence for the existence of hypergamy outside of conclusions made using evolutionary psychology and anecdotes? Where is the evidence that suggests that the bulk (or all?) of loveless marriages, relationship failures, or infidelity are caused by the male not being "alpha" enough or being in control? It seemed like cheating was one of the big points of evidence that people on this sub use, so that's the one I addressed in my effort to find something more substantial. If it's not t… | /r/TheRedPill | 22/04/13 06:03 PM |
| 1 | How does RedPill address these statistics and this line of research?The reason it's a big deal is because (you're right, it seems obvious, women are looking for the best man) men are NOT necessarily looking for the best woman. Of course, if they had the choice they'd take her, but if not, they'll take what's left. To use the crude parlance, a 7(dude) will have sex with a 4(girl), but a 7(girl) will not have sex with a 4(dude). Say's who? You? Do you have any research to back up this claim? Even as far as unsubstantiated claims go it doesn't sound right. And this… | /r/TheRedPill | 22/04/13 05:34 PM |
| 5 | How does RedPill address these statistics and this line of research?Excuse me, you misquoted me. I said "aren't guys the same with women" in that both genders look for the "best" mate possible. What attracts men and women to each other is not the same. Of course not. It's probably true that men are more often swayed by looks and that men and women might weigh certain personality factors at different weights. How is this a revelation? Once again, women are attracted to confidence, assertiveness, and self respect (among many other things). Isn't this old news? | /r/TheRedPill | 22/04/13 05:10 PM |
| 4 | How does RedPill address these statistics and this line of research?You and a few others keep mentioning the 90% number. I'd be happy to consider it if somebody, anybody, could actually cite it. Anyway your pull-quote was from a different section - thanks pointing it out. I found the source for that paragraph here and couldn't find mention of the 90% for college-educated couples. Let me know if you have any luck. Even if it were true, the base rate of divorce for college-educated couples is much lower, at 20%-35% depending on age of marriage, so that kind of und… | /r/TheRedPill | 22/04/13 04:41 PM |
| 4 | How does RedPill address these statistics and this line of research?Most of the content I've seen seems to use cheating frequency as evidence of "hypergamy" in the sense that it urges men to stay on their toes because women (more than men) are always on the lookout to trade the second a more "alpha" male comes along. My first point addresses that common refrain. Aside from that I don't see how the idea of women looking for the best man is that big of a deal. Aren't guys the same with women? Women are often attracted to confidence, assertiveness, and self-respect… | /r/TheRedPill | 22/04/13 08:48 AM |
| 4 | How does RedPill address these statistics and this line of research?Thanks for taking the time to reply. I'm not really sure how your first point addresses the stats in my first point. Can you clarify? Regarding the Gottman research, it does sound like the therapy is crap, but if you read more closely the basic gist is the therapy wasn't able to alter the way the participants behaved and communicated. That just says something about the effectiveness of the therapy regimen, not of the validity of predicting divorce based on the factors he's identified. | /r/TheRedPill | 22/04/13 08:31 AM |
| 2 | How does RedPill address these statistics and this line of research?Got it, and I do see that a lot of the content is geared toward helping put single guys in the mindset to help them get the sex lives they want. In that context my question is related to ideas in the sub that relate to longer term (marriage or not) relationships with women. | /r/TheRedPill | 22/04/13 08:09 AM |
| 7 | How does RedPill address these statistics and this line of research?Thanks for your response. Anyway, it looks like it's closer to 2/3rds. The National Center for Health Statistics reports that from 1975 to 1988 in the U.S., in families with children present, wives file for divorce in approximately two-thirds of cases. In 1975, 71.4% of the cases were filed by women, and in 1988, 65% were filed by women. That's definitely an imbalance though, you're right. However, that same page estimates 40-50% of all marriages end in divorce. Let's just average that out and s… | /r/TheRedPill | 22/04/13 08:01 AM |
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