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This is really good advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 08:18 PM
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Why can't people see that the cause and the effect are getting scrambled here? It's not that misogynists get more sex to start with. Men you have a lot of sex with women become misogynists. They know women best.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 10:34 PM
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Yeah, but: This is a myth that women are particularly invested in perpetuating. They want men to believe that their tastes in men is so completely variegated and non-overlapping that there must be a woman who will find you (the man they are ejecting) attractive. It's BS. Women's tastes in characteristics that actually matter (i.e., not whether hair is long or short, or whether or not you can juggle, or not what whether you wear glasses or not, etc.) are completely homogeneous.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 10:31 PM
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Women want men to "be confident" because they use the mien of men they encounter to try to determine how desirable they truly are. If a man acts like he has value, women assume it must be true, even if they can't see evidence of it otherwise. That's why women hate (like hate!) the idea of "fake it till you make it." Doing so screws up their "radar" for men's value. A lot of women claim they can tell if a man is not really valuable and is just "faking it." These are usually the same women complai…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/22 06:40 PM
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If we're willing to date you, we're also willing to fuck you casually. You may think this is true for you. It is completely and utterly not true for the vast bulk of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 03:21 AM
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It cost me being a person that I would want to hang out with in most social situations. I act like a complete fucking tool in social situations now whenever an attractive woman or three are present. It works like catnip, but I hate it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 08:04 PM
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Way older than you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 11:43 PM
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You think men and women act the same throughout their lives without changes in opinion, likes and dislikes? I do not think people's preferences when it comes to sexual partners change appreciably over the bulk of their lives. I think what people will tolerate in order to have a reasonably pleasant relationship changes. Calling it a change in preferences is intentionally misleading. And, what's the age at which a woman has agency and is not so abysmally stupid that she can't be trusted to make re…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 11:29 PM
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No one should act on assumptions. But, plenty of men know plenty of women (yes, I am one of those plenty) who have told them about their previous exploits or otherwise have very reliable information about them. If a woman has never or maybe only once let fucked Chad in the break room (as one of my college GF's did), then, yeah, I agree with you: No reasonable conclusion can be drawn. But, if she had a well-defined hoe-phase and is now looking to "settle down?" Fuck. That. Shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 10:00 PM
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The point is you don’t know how they would react if you were a different person. You have only their previous behaviors to guide you in that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 09:53 PM
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It is unrealistic and misogynistic to expect a woman to treat every single man EXACTLY the same way. We have ZERO obligation to do so, neither legal or moral. Agreed. Makes perfect sense. By the same token, no man has an obligation to take that deal. It's a poor deal for most men. So, he also has to exercise his agency to end the association with any woman who does not provide him the same deal she has provided to others. Each party has agency and neither has an obligation.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 09:52 PM
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If women were just a little more honest about the depth and true nature of their preferences, my life would be 1000% better. The amount of effort I expend playing stupid fucking games could be dedicated to almost anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 11:55 PM
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Yes. It will. Without the incentive to gain access to women, men will stop striving. They will do the bare minimum to survive and absolutely nothing else. The drive of men to succeed--the one thing that has led to Western civilization in the 21st century--will be the precinct of a vanishingly small number of men. The world requires more than just that small cadre of men to get better, in any sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 11:53 PM
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There is nothing worse than an older women who was once hot. They get really angry. They resent the absolute fuck out of having to tolerate sex with the beta pieces of shit they laughed at when they were younger. If you get one a little drunk, they absolutely seethe about it! They being by telling you how hot they once were, then they tell you how their current husband/whatever is someone they would have never looked at when they were younger. They cry sometimes when their long-standing pussy pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 11:38 PM
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You might want to get help with your reading comprehension. The average woman is a fat girl. The average man does not have a "dad bod." As OP says, women's conception of a dad bod is Zach Efron with >12% body fat. The latter is delusional. The former is not accurate, but just barely so.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/22 10:02 PM
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I love this hypothetical! And, I will walk right into it: I would totally make every good-looking woman I encountered think it was on, then reject them as cruelly as possible. It would be an utter delight.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 03:14 AM
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I would never be with a man whose ultimate priority is sex, So, you want to find an asexual man who would like a maid?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 03:08 AM
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Imagine thinking IT guys and engineers are the pinnacle of intelligence.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 08:22 PM
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You don’t need to explain the 80/20 rule to me, I know what it is. Apparently not. 80-20 in terms of the SMP has nothing to do with who is found attractive. It is a simple statement of the Pareto principle applied to casual sex. I.e., 80% of the casual sex being had is being had by 20% of the men having casual sex. This sub has some bizarre twist on this.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 06:18 PM
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Honestly it even seems like it's pretty rare to even see guys taller than me (6'0) very often. This is where I called BS. I am 6'2" and I see someone taller than me every single time I leave my house for more than 30 minutes. Grocery store, bank, sidewalk, hardware store, restaurant, etc. Every. Time. Seriously: Are you noticing people at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 10:59 PM
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In that usage, connection means, "Do I think I can extract commitment through manipulation?"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 11:59 PM
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but she doesn't feel a connection with Mark, despite being attracted to him. Jenny feels a connection with him. She goes out on a few casual dates with Dylan and decides she like him, but she doesn't have sex with him, she doesn't want to rush things. Your made-up "connection" notion was intended to be a "gotcha!" You deploy it like it means something. It's just bullshit. If Jenny is fucking Mark, she finds him more attractive than Dylan. It's not a utilitarian or practical argument. It's just r…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 11:51 PM
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Conservative types hold onto more misogynistic view points and are currently the main ones actively speaking out against feminist talking points. The latter part of this is true. But, you're equating what men proclaim publicly with what they actually think in private. I've been around both very conservative and very liberal men in my life. Little of their espoused sociopolitical philosophies impact their opinions of women. The one thing that does affect that attitude is how attractive they are f…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 06:44 PM
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I have a friend who I know is absolutely not misogynistic in fact he is a feminist he proudly claims himself as such. He’s very liberal he’s very left-wing There is no correlation between being liberal and not being misogynist. One can also believe that women are discriminated against in the working world, that they are typically economically disadvantaged with respect to men, etc. (i.e. be an erstwhile feminist) and still hate their solipsistic nature and the incessant lies they tell to themsel…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 03:23 AM
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Lots of misogynistic dudes don’t get laid. This is definitely true. But, all the men who do get laid the most are misogynists. You can have a reasonable argument about whether they get laid because they are misogynists or whether getting laid a lot made them misogynists, but misogynists they remain.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 12:37 AM
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You're right. I was too glib. I should have been more specific: If she has ever fucked Chad right off the bat and can keep herself from doing that with you, she doesn't find you attractive. If she's never done that? OK.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 08:59 PM
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If she can make herself wait, she doesn't find you attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 08:44 PM
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Point is how is it “fair” for one party to expect to be treated one way while they have no intentions of treating the other party the same I really don't think you understand what the perceived problem is. It's actually not that the men get treated differently. You'd have to be an idiot to not understand that you are being treated differently and why that is happening. It's the constant, ridiculous, unyielding lying about it that is the thing that is upsetting. The lies that it ever happens. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 08:03 PM
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Waiting doesn’t mean lack of interest! This is always the refrain. "She likes you more if she makes you wait." Complete bullshit. If that intent can be formed (when it was not in the past), she finds you less than Chad who got it within hours before.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 07:44 PM
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What’s the point of being butthurt If the modern political climate has taught us anything it's that humans are hardwired to consider fairness to be very important. It's not even rational, but it sure exists. Heck, even chimps jump and scream over what they perceive as unfairness. So, are you really asking why naked hypocrisy that directly affects someone leads to "butthurt?" You obviously don't like the fact that "some get a title."
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 07:25 PM
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I don’t understand what your end goal is? You want women to know that men care? Okay, and then what???? That's my only end goal with this. To thoroughly debunk the notion that men don't care because women don't get asked, or they're married with high n-counts, or whatever. I totally agree with a lot of the points you raise: marriage greatly benefits men more than it does women. The marriage rate is falling because more and more women no longer want to get married. >Remember, 70% of all divorces …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 03:58 PM
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WTF? You don't have a penis. Why would anyone think that doesn't matter in this situation? We must live in two very different realities. 🤷🏽‍♀️ Well... DUH!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 08:12 PM
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Any man who thinks I'm "ruined" because I got laid more than them should frankly not be reproducing anyways. This is your prerogative to decide for yourself. Good luck. Men care. A lot. They won't tell you they care.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 08:01 PM
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I have spent my life among men in various socioeconomic settings, in various cultural settings, in professional situations, on sports teams, and tons of other different situations. I know men who are certifiable rednecks with 10th-grade educations, lots of PhD's, pro and semipro athletes, men from North America, South America, Europe, and Asia. I know men with high sociosexuality and desperately shy nerds. Men care about n-count. They talk about women's n-count in all these settings. A lot of me…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 07:59 PM
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I prefer women with higher body counts because they aren’t lying about it This is a good rationale, actually. Not lying about sexual attraction is so rare in women that finding it can be intoxicating.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 12:57 AM
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That Ava chick is above average.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 01:16 AM
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Well, crap. Sorry I missed the bulk of this party.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/22 03:34 AM
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Same. Almost verbatim.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/22 04:46 PM
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This is simply true.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 04:58 AM
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I'm sure you find the AFC to be "below average."
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 03:25 AM
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It’s a guy that can’t get laid without getting into a relationship. Right. A completely average guy. The most common kind of AFC. Almost every man in existence.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 03:18 AM
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Most men are not misogynists. But, there is a selection effect in play that makes it seem that way to a lot of perceptive women. The overwhelming majority of men who fuck a lot are misogynists. They didn't start that way, but their experiences of laying bare (eh) the lies of women, in stark contrast to their actions, make them misogynists. So, most men that women have sex with are misogynists.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 04:26 PM
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I'm really late to this party, but let me try to change your view. Oh wait. You're 100% correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 02:33 AM
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This is a pretty darn good exposition on the AFC.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 10:58 PM
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Because it will make any issues far less likely to occur in the 1st place. Are you fucking kidding me? I had no problem with your proposal until this. All you're saying is that women fuck around and need to have a partner to help support their bastard. Jesus.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 02:55 AM
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Just makes you a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 01:10 AM
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Cause and effect are reversed here. Most attractive men are misogynists, rather than misogynists being attractive. They become misogynists because they have the clearest view of women lying. Even men who women think "love women" (and, therefore, have this supposed mystic allure) hate women's lies.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 01:45 AM
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For the love of God! OP (and, to be fair, 90%+ of all PPD denizens) has no fucking idea what the 80/20 "rule" as applied to the SMV is about! It's Pareto, pure and simple. It is all about the total amount of casual sex. It has fuck-all to do with how many women are attracted to how many men. Pareto applied to the SMV is the observation (confirmed by lots of observations, including studies) that 80% of all the casual sex that is had is had by 20% of the men seeking casual sex. That's it! It has n…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/22 09:54 PM
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The very best part of this post is all the, "That's not a dad bod!," going on. Completely oblivious...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 05:36 PM
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Several good points have already been made about how STEM doofuses think their IT skillz qualify as intelligence, when the truth is that they are often really, really stupid people. Like, less capable than many other people to draw conclusions from data, assimilate learned facts, exhibit true curiosity, formulate new ideas based on previous experience, etc. You know, things that actually intelligent people do. That said, "sapiosexual" is perhaps the single biggest lie that modern women espouse (…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/21 03:50 PM
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It's funny... I have this guideline I now live by: If you think two people are maybe fucking, they are. I have come to this realization kinda late in life, say, the last decade or so. Part of that realization is all about this question about what went in in high school. I was in high school in the late 80's. If you had asked me a few years ago if any teacher-student shenanigans were going on, I would have certainly said no. But, then I went to a reunion... Turns out that those coaches that I tho…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/21 07:30 PM
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I can find lots of webpages where other people don't the meaning of other words too. So fucking what?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 03:22 AM
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chivalry is a man going out of his way to pay for your date and take initiative. Neither of those things has a goddamn thing to do with chivalry.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 11:46 PM
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If I don't want to be peed on, why do I care?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 11:18 PM
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Do I want to be peed on? If I don't, I don't care. If I want to be peed on in this hypothetical, the excuse of respecting me too much is a lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 11:12 PM
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Breakign in just because I used getting pooped in a similar gedanken experiment a little while ago. This counter question has little to do with the "beaten up dead horse." If I don't want to be peed on and she doesn't want to pee on anyone, we are cool. If I really want to be peed on and she ever peed on anybody, if she doesn't pee on me she is not attracted to me. If she really wants to pee on someone and I don't want to be peed on, we are probably gonna have a talk the end result of which is I…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 11:03 PM
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Why are men SO FUCKING OBSESSED WITH what women did for other men who came before them. Because it is the single most important and the clearest indication of attraction. Period. And, the one thing that men cannot know for sure is whether a particular association with a woman is about attraction or provisioning.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 11:01 PM
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Underrated comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 03:29 PM
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Please, CMV. Present some good arguments as to why I should care about his past and vice versa. It's really simple. This sentence essentially never obtains as written: Honestly, if you’re getting ridiculous sex from your wife, do you really care what she did before you? Do you really think the non-crazy (i.e. non-incels) here are arguing about their wife or girlfriend who rode the carousel and is giving them crazy sex all the time? Of course they aren't. They are talking about the "born-again pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 03:49 AM
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I love FDS! It provides the perfect arena for men to see (read) the real, id-based internal monologue of women with respect to men. These "teachings" provide the perfect springboard for women to spew all truth behind all the lies they posture with everyday. May FDS continue unabated!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/21 10:58 PM
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Because women hate "fakes" more than anything. The notion that you might be able to improve your attractiveness through conscious and concerted effort is anathema to women. You have to be a "natural" or you are defective and vile. Women have no incentive to be honest about what they find attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/21 09:00 PM
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Never. Every woman I have ever had sex more than once with has volunteered it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/21 03:25 AM
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Yeah, maybe you're right. Maybe he doesn't actually want to do anal at all. Maybe he just wants to know if you'll say yes to it, given that you've done it before. If that's the case, your rational move would be to nope out, as he has clearly communicated an opinion of your value to him. See how that works?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 11:06 PM
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You seem to think I was being sarcastic? Not in the least. You're right. Really. If somebody tells me I am husband material, it's an insult. It's completely on me to change it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 10:27 PM
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Blowjobs get mentioned all the time as potential no-go's. Agreement abounds from bloopers that refusal to perform them does not mean lack of attraction. You, of course, are correct: That is bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 10:14 PM
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That's a horrible example because it's not about attraction to the people involved in the original situation. It's about other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 10:10 PM
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If you don’t like that someone calls you husband material because you don’t like what it represents, then change it. This is just great advice. If somebody calls you shitty and second-rate, work to make it not true. RP 101.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 10:05 PM
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I'm not even gonna argue with you that this is true. But, that's precisely why I wish it wasn't the go-to example. There are dozens of other sexual acts that could be used as examples.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 10:03 PM
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I don't understand the question, I think. But, let me try to explicate around this scenario anyway. If I had ever let a woman shit on me and this girl wants to shit on me and I say no, it is logical for her to conclude that I find her less attractive than my shitty (heh) ex. If I've never let a woman shit on me (something I am not ashamed to admit is the case) and she wants to shit on me, we're probably gonna have a long talk that ends in me not getting shit on. If I've never been shit on and sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 09:45 PM
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Dude women don't naturally want to try anal. All they hear from their friends is that it's very painful, disgusting, and causes horrific infections. Male pressure is the reason the vast majority of women try anal. Got it: No woman ever has agency.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 09:41 PM
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"Traumatizing" is another great word to deploy in order to excuse previous behaviors.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 09:39 PM
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There are tons of things that provide negative effects for men that are idiosyncratic to particular women and not to others. But, there are myriad things that are depressingly consistent among all women that also provide negative effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 09:37 PM
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It's completely honest. And, I submit, true for anybody who ever makes the proclamation in that first clause. Cause humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 09:34 PM
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Your analysis is quite flawed. You're likening this to a true conspiracy. The immediate rejoinder to conspiracy theory is just what you intimate: The notion that a group of people can keep the lid on a conspiracy for any length of time is ridiculous on the face of it. There is no concerted conspiracy here. It is simply the appeal of a myth. It's much more like the consumers of QAnon than it is like the supposed underlying conspiracy they subscribe to. If a notion is in the zeitgeist, it's availa…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 09:32 PM
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No I'm not. I simply understand how attraction influences my rationality.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 09:14 PM
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I can't quite figure out what you're saying here, but let me try to guess... You're asking if I don't realize that a coercive guy might use the, "you'd do it if you found me attractive" line to get anal? Sure. Of course that happens. If a woman is dumb enough to buy that when she has no interest in actually doing the act, well, she gets what she paid for. I do not believe the bulk of women -- even at 20 years old -- are that fucking stupid. I think they use that pouting to provide an excuse to t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 09:13 PM
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They remember that it is a great excuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 09:08 PM
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I did. And, as far as I know, I mean it. But, stuff happens and people break rules all the time for people they find wildly attractive. That's what it takes, though: Finding someone else so attractive that the rule doesn't seem so important.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 09:05 PM
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Maybe I do. I'm just saying I wish it wasn't always the example because it is freighted. Let's say I do hate it: If a woman I was seeing really liked it and asked for it and I had ever done it with anybody else I would stick my dick up to the hilt into her ass if I found her as appealing as that ex. Otherwise, I'd probably beg off. Oh! Edit to match your edit: I already said I would take in the ass for a woman I found attractive enough in the pegging post. If I ever did it, me ever doing it with…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 09:03 PM
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Have you noticed how massively quickly women relate to any type of coercion tale? Noted. All the time. It is an incredibly useful lie to propagate that can be used to absolve women of any number of ridiculously evil endeavors, so, of course, they vocally "relate" to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 08:58 PM
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No, she would be kinda right. I might have an ex in my past that would break that rule for. You know, just like women break their "no sex on the first date" rule for some men?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 08:57 PM
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That's like saying try this food you hate with me, even though you've tried it once before and it made you vomit. No it's not. Because most people who have such a reaction to food had an inkling about it before they put it in their mouth. The proper analogy is that she likes shrimp, but had it prepared a certain way one time that she found gross. She is saying that she won't even try my version of that preparation because I cannot possibly be as good a cook as her ex was and he couldn't make it …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 08:55 PM
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It is disingenuous to suggest that every time this topic comes up that coercion is not mentioned O(100) times. Also: ding, ding, ding!! We have our first "insecure" thrown out as a generic insult.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 08:49 PM
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It has everything to do with attraction at the initiation. Again, we're never taking about pulling her toenails out (maybe somebody has that kink, but...). We are talking about things that she--more often than not--willingly did at least the first time with somebody else. Also again: Stop saying "love." This is about sexual attraction. This is all about the lizard brain. You can invoke "trust," but that plays against your position: If a woman trusts me, shouldn't she trust me to stop something i…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 08:46 PM
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Indeed. Her reaction would be completely understandable. Also: I would never call another human being insecure, as the word has come to mean not a goddamn thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 08:40 PM
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Maybe she knows she didn't like it with that guy and that time. The ridiculous excuse that she was coerced simply cannot be true in every case. Women have agency at 20! She could have picked not to. The overwhelming odds are that she stuck her ass in the air and asked for it then. She did so because she found the dude hot. If it hurts this time with me, we could stop immediately and we need never try it again. But, saying a priori that it is a no-go is nothing but a value judgement on my attract…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 08:40 PM
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She would be rational to assume I don't find her as desirable as others if I refuse to propose to her when I had done it in the past at a similar junction in a relationship. She would operating under slightly incomplete information, but only just slightly, and her conclusion would not be crazy regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 08:34 PM
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No. As long as I knew he loved me, I would be more than fine. I simply don't believe you, and I am completely convinced you don't believe you in this answer. Do you think comparing every single dollar he spends on me to what he spent on an ex is normal, logical behaviour? Like, a keeping a ledger and insisting on dollar-for-dollar parity? No, that is nuts and not logical. Being hurt and realizing something is amiss if you ask for anchovies on the pizza one night because you really like them, he …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 08:31 PM
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Meh. Love is subjective. But, if she won't try it one more time with me--someone she supposedly loves and trusts??--then she 100% does not find me as attractive as she did that dude who stuck it in her ass without enough lube when she was 19.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 08:16 PM
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So, you wouldn't be upset if you never, ever received a gift from your SO because you are not an insecure lil bitch?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 08:09 PM
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If you ask if we might go to Vegas and I say no when it is established I took an ex there, you aren't as appealing to me as the ex was. If you have never received an expensive gift from me after I have been generous in the past with ex's, you don't get me as giddy as they did. Proposal? Eh, that one I'll give you: I ain't marrying anyone ever again, even if I find them the most desirable woman on Earth. None of this is childish or stupid. It is utterly rational and reasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 08:08 PM
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If she did anal with her ex (NB: God, I wish the example wasn't always anal...) and won't try it with me, she finds me less attractive than her ex. Calling it stupid doesn't change the reality that it is a fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 07:50 PM
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At 20? No dates to speak of: Nobody in college in the early 90's went on dates. Pursued her? Of course! And, if a woman today doesn't feel like I am pursuing her, her rational conclusion that I don't find her very attractive is 100% correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 07:32 PM
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I want her to be consistent, because anything else is a lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 07:21 PM
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Oh no! I'm utterly caught in a logic trap! Where can I turn?! What a pile of crap. This question is useless on several levels. First: I'm an almost 50-year-old man. Though I have learned quite a bit since I was 19 or 22 (I'll leave 16 out of this...), I pretty much knew what I wanted then and what I could live with and couldn't. Those things are basically the same now. I did not have to "make mistakes" and "learn by being burned" over and over because I'm not a stupid animal that has to be condi…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 07:20 PM
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I'm not 100% sure I'm parsing the question correctly, but... If I had ever been pegged by an ex of mine and the woman I was dating said she really liked doing it, I would try it even if I hadn't been a fan when I did it before. If I had never done it with anyone, I think we'd have to have a long talk.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 03:20 AM
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You are absolutely correct and I was wrong about what he said. I still say weak men crave attention for doing that which need to be done.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 01:24 AM
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He said men want compliments on their appearance, just like I said. I've managed tons of people. The weakest men (and least competent) always need an "atta boy" to motivate them. Competent men do not need this.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 01:14 AM
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Weak men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 01:09 AM
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Yep. Conversely, most men don't give two shits about getting a compliment about what they do. You want what you never get.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 12:53 AM
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Fucking Boy Scout. He wouldn't be shit if the Sun were a different spectral type. Shazam is magic: That sounds hotter.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 12:52 AM
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Both guys are fucking cartoons. It's Purge Week: You might want to suppress the kneejerk need to overparse every single analogy, simile, and speculative narrative. Hell, you might even want to do that all the time!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 12:46 AM
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But every woman over the age of 22 has a Chad in her past. OP is still right: Gotta deal with reality in any case.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 12:39 AM
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If every woman opted to not date anything but her ideal or “first choice,” there would be 300 heterosexual couples. In the whole wide worldddddddd This is the most obviously female comment I have ever read on this sub. (Think about that statement for a sec.)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 03:14 AM
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Yes. I think she's a 4 compared to other 40-yr-olds. I think she's a 4 compared to 50-yr-olds. I don't think you have a good idea what 40-ish year-old women look like.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 05:44 PM
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I'm an attractive woman (I'd rate myself a 6.5 face and 8.5 body) That's you in the avatar? Uhhhh... I think you have proven OP's point about female 4's. I would not swipe right on you, and I swipe right on essentially every woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 02:57 AM
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Sure. And say why (i.e. because I'm a cellar-dwelling neckbeard).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/21 03:38 AM
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I mean that women lie about every aspect of their sexuality and attraction all the time and in every situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/21 03:37 AM
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Why would you assume that is what I meant? I don't know what the truth is about any facet for any particular woman. But, I am sure that what is said (and, in many cases, even thought and believed) is always a lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/21 03:28 AM
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Yes. That's exactly it, obviously, as that is precisely what is discussed on this sub. \s
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/21 03:17 AM
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That's a perfectly reasonable wish. But, almost none of those are actually about male sexuality. They are just lies that lying liars tell.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/21 02:54 AM
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For me, it's a simple answer: Women would be incapable of lying about their sexuality. That would be utopia for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/21 02:49 AM
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How to CMV: Show that TRP offers something unique that isn't found in normal dating/self improvement advice. I have lifted weights my entire life (very late 40's). I have always had a decent haircut, etc. I have always been a "popular" dude. Before I applied TRP concepts, I had a lifetime n-count of 4. Show me that you can demonstrate an effect of TRP ideology/advice independent of normal dating/self improvement advice nested in TRP (eg lift, approach women). I now act like a complete asshole ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 03:18 PM
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Much more interesting is the graph for partners versus BMI for women. Flat as a pancake until it curves slightly up (albeit with big error bars) in the fucking landwhale range.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/21 08:05 PM
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You know, a tourist on this sub could see any number of ridiculous claims about attractiveness in any span of time one would like to choose. A lot of those will be men claiming very attractive women are not very attractive. This is not an example that anybody could call "success." This woman looks like like a cross between a garden troll, one of those shrunken-head things you made with apples from the 70's, and a pig's scrotum.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 02:31 AM
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You are, of course, quite correct. However, you might very surprised to learn that the bulk of men do not "think red pill things." But, the men you remember having met and/or dated are gonna be men who think those things. That's how it works.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 01:43 AM
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It’s called being an emotionally mature adult. Try it sometime? Nothing says maturity like saying, "No I'm not! You are!" No I make all mean wait for sex regardless of how attractive i find him. Terrific for you. This is not what most women (yes most, far more than 50%) do.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 06:30 PM
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I literally said none of this. Of course. But, your whinging insistence that it doesn't matter to you is a direct complaint. Only an autist would think otherwise. applying this logical to all women even though the majority of women aren’t having causal sex let alone causal sex with chad. Women like to make their own definitions of "casual sex" and "Chad." But, it doesn't matter. The only question is: Did you do or offer something to a former partner (regardless of the length of the relationship)…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 06:20 PM
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If you kept ready my comment you would see that I said, “I don’t care how Margot Robbie is treated compared to me.” "I don't care how rich that person is. It doesn't affect me, and they're probably bad people." Sour grapes are discernable through any amount of dismissiveness. You should have learned by age 8 that the world isn’t fair and that men AND women get treated better or worse for a plethora of different reasons. You totally missed my point! The world isn't fair. People treat people diffe…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 06:08 PM
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I don’t see any women complaining that a man would treat Margot Robbie different than he would treat an average women. Well, you just did, didn't you? It's not that it's not rational and understandable. It totally is. It's just the fact that the man needs to understand that is what is being done, i.e. he is being weighed and measured and found lacking in comparison to an earlier guy. It's a perfectly reasonable strategy for a woman to employ. But, it relies on the existence of suckers.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 05:57 PM
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Several comments that RP men want women to be "slaves." Who the fuck would want that? I don't give a darn about the right-wing, neocon nutjobbing in TRP. All I want is for women to stop lying--to themselves and everyone else--about their sexuality! It's not necessary anymore!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 02:45 PM
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This is the salient point. The women actually believe their own lies.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 03:20 PM
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The only reason I acquire anything or, indeed, do anything beyond basic maintenance of my needs for food and some shelter is to get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 04:12 AM
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Of course. We are in general agreement about that. As you say, that's a pretty pithy summary of TRP. Your framing of it, however, does belie how easy it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 03:49 AM
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until he’s at a better frequency than he once was. Several times almost zero is still almost zero. The number does matter. In fact, it's all that matters. Does a 5 expect to get swarmed like a 10? Well, not if they're sane. But, this notion that a 5 should be satisfied with whatever he gets as long as it's not identically zero is the most misandrist thing that I perceive (NB I do not subscribe to the general TRP trope that society, at large, is misandrist. But, this idea is!).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 03:23 AM
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If a guy is at least within the average range with regards to genetic physicality, then he has the raw physical goods to attract hookups... What does the "attract hookups" mean? What rate of success? Like, ever having one hookup? Having one out of every 10 times he tries? Every 100? Every 1000? This is quantification is at the heart of TRP's central tension. Is that not clear? It's not a question of ever getting laid for the AFC. It's the frequency.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 01:48 AM
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It's virtue signaling if you desperately want it to be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 04:49 AM
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Why do you cross important shit out? Because it is all virtue-signaling horseshit. EDIT: Also -- The no casual sex rule would also apply to even the best of men, too, for most FDS women anyway. Fully 75% of the posts on that sub are from women who "fucked up" and had casual sex instead of trying to tie a scrote down. They try, but they just can't help it... AWALT.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 04:41 AM
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AWALT means women are against casual sex with common losers i.e. betas want a mutually loving relationship with open, available, strong, stable men i.e. alpha bucks Yes. That's what it (sorta) means.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 04:32 AM
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AWALT. Only FDS members have the temerity to say the inner monologue out loud.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 01:09 AM
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I think perhaps not. I love FDS! One can read unvarnished truth from women. It might be the only place on Reddit where that can happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 12:09 AM
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The question is how RELATIVELY important are looks No. That was not the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/21 03:34 AM
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That's how you do a fucking experiment! You let one variable vary and fix all the others. Fixing them to zero is a perfectly acceptable version of this. Read what OP said.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/21 03:21 AM
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Oh, I think ugly guys can charm the pants off women. I have several existence proofs of that. But, looks do matter and OLD data are a terrific and representative way to understand how much and how.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/21 03:12 AM
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Underrated comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/21 03:04 AM
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Have an upvote for this. You do agree you are somewhat unusual in this though, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/21 03:02 AM
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There is zero evidence that the OLD population is not representative of the population at large with respect to proclivities. Exactly zero.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/21 02:59 AM
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Fine. Looks is part of the equation. OLD data provide an effective window into that variable.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/21 02:58 AM
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OP didn't speak to that. He only spoke to the effect men's looks have. Nowhere did he say looks is the only variable. Just that OLD data provides a very good window into how looks affect the entries process.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/21 02:57 AM
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What does that have to do with OP's point? He straightforwardly said: If you have another more objective way to measure the magnitude of effect of looks on men's dating, feel free to suggest it in the comment section below I.e. what effect do looks have? What does swagger, etc. have to make up for?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 07:53 PM
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You are, of course, 100% correct. You will get no end of nonsense replies to this post, all of them pointing out how and why the data are bad or skewed or whatever. They are not. OLD is the most common way for people to meet now. The most common way! The data are from the whole damn population! PPD women are happy to be called anything besides what they perceive as shallow. I don't really know why: It's a perfectly reasonable thing for them to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 07:43 PM
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You will get zero honest and accurate answers to this question. Every woman claims (even thinks!) that they have already ended a relationship before they have the next one lined up.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/21 05:32 PM
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I don't have a holistic summary to contribute, but I would like to highlight three things. I really like the quoting of the Iron Rules somebody did. That's as pithy a summary as could be provided, I think. Please, for the love of God, understand the word "hypergamy" as the RP term of art that it is. The RP term of art is not the colloquial meaning of hypergamy (i.e. it does not mean dating/marrying "up"). It refers simply to the constant state of readiness a woman has to leave a man for a more a…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/21 06:06 PM
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He's getting sex because that's what he's useful for. If he was good for a relationship, I'd want him for that. This is just flat-out not true. It gets repeated all the time, but it's nonsense onthe face of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 07:25 PM
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This is beautifully spot on, and you literally beat me by minutes in typing it. As you say, it's all about this particular phrase: you treat someone you see as the full package differently to someone who you see as fun entertainment? This statement connotes that Chad is somehow lesser than the "full package." That implied connotation by women is the Big Lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 04:11 PM
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How the fuck do you know that these are not their kids? Because the kids are approaching college-aged and these women have only been remarried for like 10 years. I know the ex-husbands well too. It's not speculation based on social media "fairy tales." Is that where we have like the major cognitive dissonance. It's not anything about wanting someone younger or not. It's actually quite tied up in part of your assertion. Despite what people will claim here on PPD (when it serves their argument), p…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/21 03:30 PM
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You have a boyfriend who was Chadly in his youth and who you don't think is as Chadly now. That has exactly jack to do with AF/BB. You've not (for whatever reason, known only to you) "locked down" said expired Chad for commitment. That's all. You're in your mid-40's and don't know tons of divorced women who are now married to schlubs who they would not have pissed on had they been on fire when they were both 24? Nonsense. That's the reality of normies at this age. Every attractive, divorced woma…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/21 04:49 AM
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TRP 101
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/21 02:52 AM
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I can't decide if I find it quaint or disturbing that many women here think that their aging will be/is the determining factor whether their man will cheat on them. What a fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/21 01:26 AM
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No it doesn't. It "represents" all the Average Frustrated Chumps (admittedly, a large percentage of men). That's who TRP is for. It does, however, describe all women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/21 06:36 PM
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Yep. That's why I said it's a great way for a beta to get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/21 06:35 PM
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Yes. This is effective: Making a woman believe you're in it for an LTR is a great way for a beta to get some tail.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 08:54 PM
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I wouldn't be in any situation (outside of being in prison, which, despite efforts of many governments, is not a typical experience) wherein a 6'7" gay man could profitably execute such intimidation. This is because I don't put myself in positions where there is real ambiguity in what I want or don't want from somebody.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 03:02 PM
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Every human being over the age of 2 has had someone try to make them do something they didn't want to do. Who the fuck cares?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 05:24 AM
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And I think my experience is very typical It is for a certain class of women. It is not for other classes of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 03:12 AM
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Butterfaces aren’t more attractive for relationships, just sex Remarkably few men who have graduated from high school think this way, despite the widespread belief on the part of some women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 06:21 PM
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Goth chicks are endemically insecure. They fuck like they're trying to save their own lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 02:23 PM
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They are thinking, " I have ready and constant access to pussy. Don't fuck it up!" That's it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/21 05:45 AM
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It was never enough. It's just all that was. Before the industrial revolution, sitting in the dark at night and facing down the very real possibility of starvation was good enough!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 07:50 PM
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I think you might have a typo here? But: Men will never prefer unenthusiastic sex to quality porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 06:24 PM
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You're bad at sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 06:18 PM
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There's a cute guy who frequents the coffee shop down the street from me. If I smile at him, I could probably fuck him tonight. Not quite sure what this has to do with the point you were making in the response, other than just being a humblebrag (and, as you point out, not much of one for a woman). Most importantly, it's just RP101. I could be married--done and legally binding!--by the end of this coming weekend (and I would have more than one choice) if I wanted because I'm an older guy with my…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 07:33 PM
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'cept it totally worked on her. RP dude beat. Mission accomplished.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 01:49 PM
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Why would you insult u/LittyKitsune ?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 01:35 PM
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Sounds like it worked just as designed.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 03:08 AM
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I think the more I know someone the harder it is to have sex with them, because I really care about how they see me and what they think of me. I worry about embarrassing myself and losing or otherwise ruining the relationship. I hope that somewhat makes sense. Not a goddamn bit of sense. Sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 02:27 AM
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You should probably make up your mind. Are some men: Hot, successful, rich, tall men who are amazing husbands, fathers, and partners, are all around. Or, are men creatures who will uniformly: treat you like garbage the second you sleep with them, Cause they can't be both. Also, if you run an experiment tens of times and get the same result, you should probably look at the one control parameter that didn't change (i.e. you!). Maybe you're just... not appealing?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 02:24 AM
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Yeah. I'm not an autistic weirdo, so that example is not particularly useful.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 05:00 PM
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I have women who give me partial and backhanded compliments all the time. What's the point in such linguistic games? Why not just say nothing?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 04:59 PM
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Sure. Could be. Then why even try?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 12:34 PM
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Why are women seemingly physically incapable of delivering a compliment to a man, especially if it's a compliment about some physical aspect. It's either got to be back-handed some way or so qualified with caveats that it becomes useless/meaningless. Is it because they have been socialized to not to accept compliments themselves?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 03:58 AM
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They get commitment from beta providers in exchange for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 09:25 PM
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A guy has to meet fewer requirements if all they want is sex Bullshit. This feel-good crap gets trotted out all the time by women trying to convince Billy Beta he's the "real choice." Meanwhile, Chad gets laid. It is a lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 09:13 PM
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Then the man can leave. Agreed. That's what he should do. Y'all need to learn some self-respect. Also agreed. I'd rather stay that way than settle for someone less than ideal. Also fine. BUT: you can't break that rule for yourself and fuck Chad without being called a slut. It's a simple price.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 09:08 PM
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And yet, Chad still beats. It's almost as if this "fear" of insincerity and deceit is just an excuse to lay a trap for betas.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 09:06 PM
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So, where's the lie then?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 08:40 PM
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If I want a relationship, I'm going to prioritize developing that make the poor fucker jump through multiple hoops to get what other men didn't even have to ask for. FTFY
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 08:37 PM
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How the fuck can somebody form an economic argument about Pareto and not understand Pareto? Geez.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 11:52 PM
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It's just physical attraction. More precisely, it's some calculus of physical attraction and "weirdness" and douchebaggery. The latter two detract from the "spark," but if the first is enough, it's enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/21 12:11 AM
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The answers on this thread are literally awe-inspiring. I am sorry for all the women here, as they obviously have strong feelings about how generally inadequate and unremarkable the men they are with are.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/21 04:29 AM
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Very reasonable, but... Big difference would be dating experiences. I'm guessing average man is frustrated with lack of exciting any options, average woman is disappointed with the treatment and behaviors of men she dates, fucks in FWB situations, and/or considers possible partners . FTFY (though I didn't fix the comma splice).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/21 05:03 PM
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That's literally the only way to maximize happiness and avoid misery. Realizing that it's just your turn... Indeed. That is the only way. But, that doesn't mean you stick your head I the ground and ignore evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/21 10:57 PM
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This comment is gaslighting. His thoughts are not stupid in the least. All OP knows (all he can know) is what things are like right now and what came before. He's trying to gauge the likelihood of being branch-swung from in the future. This "live in the moment" horseshit is how men end up living lies in obliviousness all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/21 09:49 PM
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I have all of those things (even the dog and cat). I would not trade any contact with my remaining family, but I'd sure cut it down to one day a year for this deal. I find the notion that any man would turn the bulk of this deal down to be disingenuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/21 03:36 AM
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This! 100% agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 09:44 PM
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1.)Just how successful are your friends In dating? I'm late 40's. My close friends are all Average Frustrated Chumps. They are either married for 20+ years and get laid on monthly time scales (if they are lucky), are divorced and typically in LTRs where the same-age women they are dating are trying very hard to get a ring, or are men who have had about 2-3 sexual partners in their entire life as they bump up against 50 years old. I do not consider any of these outcomes "successful," and I doubt …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 07:55 PM
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You can't blame women for anything endemic to who they are. You also can't blame them for acting rationally, and, yes, despite the protestations of plenty of tradcons here, it is rational for them to get railed by Chad when they can. But, that's not the issue. The issue is the incessant, casual, but deep lies about doing this. I don't blame a woman for racking up a big n-count. I blame them for lying about how big it is, why they have it, what they were thinking while acquiring it, and how much …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/21 06:56 PM
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I think the fact that Austria seemingly fucks more than Germany in this survey is the smoking gun for it being woefully under-sampled BS. Take Southern Germany and inject a ton of Catholic guilt = Austria. It should look more like Spain.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/21 11:45 PM
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But that doesn't mean she wouldn't fuck mr Honda. Of course she would fuck Mr. Honda. But she would branch-swing in a heartbeat to Signor Enzo.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/21 07:33 PM
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THANK YOU!!! Jesus: How hard is this to understand?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/21 07:31 PM
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Why can nobody on PPD ever get what the Pareto principle is about and why it applies to all situations with a limited supply and active seekers of that resource? Over and over and over again...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/21 07:30 PM
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You have a very privileged and very narrow sphere of experience. Period. You can think otherwise, but you're just flat-out wrong. Most men live lives of quiet desperation, in marriages they kinda hate, to women who kinda hate them. Luckier ones aren't hated, but get a fraction of the sex they want. The notion that the fact that most men get married means they are, "getting on fine with women," is laughable on its face.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/21 04:59 AM
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As far as I can tell, it was always meant to be niche because it's for niche men who struggle particularly with women and attraction. I mean, I know it might seem this is what TRP is intended for based on all the incel crap here on PPD, but this is not an accurate representation. TRP was always intended for a "niche" of men, but a very large niche: The Average Frustrated Chump™. The AFC is--almost by definition--the bulk of men. So, the "niche" is literally most men (i.e. >50%). It was never int…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/21 01:15 AM
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You mean like fuckboys? This is the greatest commercial I've ever read in support of wanting to be regarded as fuckboi.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/21 09:23 PM
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I don't have a problem. I'm just using this perfect example of RP thought being dead on to note that...it's dead on.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/21 11:43 PM
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From the TRP sidebar: Solipsism - In Red Pill, solipsism (e.g. female solipsism) refers to the female's tendency to frame everything she experiences or witnesses in terms of herself and her own needs - personalizing it - even when such personalization would not make contextual sense. This is the operative meaning of solipsism here. Not because it's the only (or even technical) definition, but because the whole point of the sub is to discuss TRP. Therefore, TRP terms of art are used and debated.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/21 10:47 PM
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Women's sexuality is purely reactive and centered on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/21 10:44 PM
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it's the idea of a man wanting me so badly (particularly me husband) he can't control himself. Pure female solipsism laid bare. 100% spot on.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/21 10:19 PM
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I find it hard to believe all the guys I dated have lines of options... I live in Seattle which has more men then women.. making it a women's market. All the men you've deigned to date have options. Yes: you've likely been benched repeatedly.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/21 09:17 PM
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Disease transmission is subject to exponential growth. Almost 1 in 5 Americans has had Covid! This estimate seems low.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/21 10:47 PM
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I kinda have a crush on OP now.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/21 01:14 AM
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OP has had nothing but horrible sex in her life...
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/21 02:46 AM
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I have come to the realization that the only women older than about 35 on this sub are married or in LTRs. Women under about 35 have no strategy for dating, as abundance is so great: It's like being in a rainstorm and having a strategy to get your left cuff wet. It's gonna happen in any number of ways without you having to think about it. The married women don't have dating strategies. But, ask this question in an older person dating sub! You will get precise and detailed schema as answers from …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/21 07:31 PM
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Indeed. That is the crux of this whole damn thread...
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/21 10:36 PM
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No. I don't agree, in general. But, I do think (a) women want commitment from men they perceive as alphas, and that those men typically don't want (need) to commit, and (b) that women often have sex with men they don't find sexually attractive to lock down a BB who does need (want) to commit.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/21 10:22 PM
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Holy crap. Great comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/21 10:05 PM
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I understood perfectly. Admittedly, text can't convey sarcasm well, but, yeah. Again, console yourself however you need to.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/21 09:09 PM
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And this is exactly why women need to make dudes wait and pay Absolutely! It is a flawless strategy for women to make men wait. We all know that any adult man with any value whatsoever will wait. And, that fact certainly becomes more true as men get older and have more experience with women. Sarcasm aside though: yes, it's a great way for women to snag a BB.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/21 09:07 PM
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Well, heck, if he has his family pinging you for him, why would he ever stop? He has empirical proof you'll fuck him, so why not just ask on a regular schedule?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/21 09:01 PM
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Gotcha. OMG! He got broken up with! Well, I guess that means they didn't have sex. How will he comfort himself? The unending pain must be unbearable.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/21 08:59 PM
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First, he got "it." I.e. he fucked her. Second: it's just your turn...
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/21 08:56 PM
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It's a total win. Well said.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/21 08:54 PM
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We all tell ourselves any number of things to be able to have our self-image work for us. Is it the gross feeling that you gave it up to a "fake" that requires the biggest measure of salve like this? Or, is it that you suspect he just wants to tap a sure thing, regardless of what he actually thinks of you?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/21 08:53 PM
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Ok. He failed. Still beat tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/21 08:45 PM
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I think he still got it. If he was actually following RP advice, getting laid and getting out is just fine. I also suspect he wouldn't have got it if he hadn't been red-pilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/21 08:35 PM
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I think the fact that he is your ex likely means RP worked just fine for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/21 08:33 PM
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As per usual, "alpha widow" is being used in OP and throughout the comments to mean something like "pining for the one that got away." That isn't what alpha widowhood is. From the TRP sidebar: Alpha Widow - A woman (typically but not necessarily post-wall) who has been abandoned by an Alpha male. No matter how great her new man is, she will perceive him as failing to meet the standard of the alpha she was previously associated with. Due to hypergamy, a woman cannot date backwards, once she gets …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/21 05:19 PM
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Did it from an alt. Or, rather, this is an alt.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/21 03:06 AM
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Not equivalent in the least. Race isn't real. Gender is.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/21 02:57 AM
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i bet, or that would be some beta loser story Oh, I have plenty of those! Tons from my 20's.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/21 10:54 PM
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Men leave women all the time, and leave women for their mistresses. They just don't make an excuse about the woman they are leaving.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/21 10:52 PM
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You've never met a woman that has been dumped by a man? I've never met a woman who I new well who hasn't branch-swung. I know no women who have been branch-swung from (i.e. the man had another chick lined up before he left the first woman and made an excuse). Or a woman that's remained single after a breakup? Nope. If by "single" you mean didn't have sex with a man within weeks of breaking up.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/21 10:52 PM
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unless I'm not understanding what branch swinging is. You are not understanding correctly. Branch-swinging need not be about money at all. It usually isn't, in my experience. It's just having a better alpha lined up before you leave the other guy (you keep one hand on the old branch before grabbing the new one). she doesn't have a good moral compass. I said about most things. Women always have a perfect rationalization for branch-swinging: "He just wasn't paying attention to me,""We fell out of …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/21 10:50 PM
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did they all leave you for someone better? or were you the alpha they branch-swinged to? Yes. I.e. both.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/21 10:44 PM
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Every woman I've ever known--whether I was involved with them or not--has either branch-swung or gotten close to it. Not every woman I ever dated branch-swung: some because the time was too short, others for other reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/21 10:43 PM
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I have been around and dated and had other relationships with women over a wide range of socioeconomic classes, subcultures, education levels, and backgrounds. Poor white trash, UMC college girls, goth chicks from hella-rich families who rebelled, jock sniffers, lawyers, PhDs in sciences and humanities, suburban moms, country girls, and many others. Many of these women have any number of good qualities, including being nurturing to children, intelligence, and a strong moral compass about most th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/21 10:15 PM
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Frankly, I would have had a different opinion about this question 6 months ago. But, I had an experience on Reddit that shocked me a little. I commented on a thread in another sub wherein I alluded to my salary and the fact that it was about top 3% in the US. So, I'm not rich, but I am exceedingly comfortable. My DMs got nuked! I had dozens and dozens of women of all ages sending me pictures and videos and all other kinds of prurient material. Women are far more mercenary than even this older ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/21 09:31 PM
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What kind of STEMy, reductive, crazy horseshit did I just read?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/21 07:05 PM
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Is this really Lewis being back? I'm so happy...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 01:55 AM
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Al these respondents who claim they do anything to improve their "confidence" (especially their appearance) are making a distinction without a difference between this motivation and looking good for the other gender. What a crock. BTW: Every single thing I do beyond meeting my base metabolic and medical needs is done to attract women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/21 03:27 PM
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You don't think that for example award winning novelists have groupies? Groupies are mentally ill. Or brilliant and famous professors who are broke and slovenly? No professor who is famous is broke. Not a one. If you know a faculty member's name, they get paid a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/21 01:22 AM
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Women aren't attracted to success, genius, or talent? No.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/21 12:20 AM
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Thank you for this honest response.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/21 12:18 AM
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Physics is not really my vibe, but a PhD in biology is attractive to me. No it's not. If it was, you wouldn't have this bizarrely specific qualifier. What you mean is: if I can't talk to them about my research it's a big turn off, there's little use in dealing with a less-than remarkably attractive man.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 11:31 PM
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Intellectual woman will prefer intellectual men and she will be sexually attracted to his PhD in physics. This is one of the dumbest things I have ever read. No womam is attracted to that. They are most especially not sexually attracted to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 10:34 PM
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Alabama ranches???
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 03:43 AM
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What’s the difference? I find your question disingenuous. Anybody could admire the workmanship and hard work that it takes to fashion a guillotine, while being repulsed by its use. And how did you come to these conclusions? The same way every single human being in the history of the species has determined how other people behave: I observed a large sample of women over my (at this point) long life. This is a truth so endemic to every woman I have ever met or interacted with that my mind boggles …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 08:02 PM
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They despise being fooled by the end results of these qualities. They don't despise the qualities themselves. Read what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 07:48 PM
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Smart & successful women appreciate hard work. As admirable qualities? Of course. As something that gives them tingles? Certainly not.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 07:01 PM
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women will generally respect you more because your journey signals intelligence, conscientiousness, and willpower— all of which are more attractive traits than being lucky Perfectly rational take. Not coincidentally, perfectly wrong as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 07:00 PM
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Never, ever, ever tell, suggest to, or allude to any effort you have ever expended to achieve anything to a woman. Especially anything having to do with weightlifting. Women want "naturals," and despise any activity or person that has a hope of confusing their discernment of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/21 11:36 PM
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the behavior is still very ungracious. Don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/21 03:03 PM
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Wasn't intended to be a gotcha at all. Yes: Men profitably lie to get laid. It works extremely well.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/21 03:02 PM
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I think that everyone, male or female, needs to be taught to be upfront with their intentions and to hold true to their boundaries. That is the way to prevent the most heart break. That is a great way to promote the female sexual imperative. It is a bad way to promote the male sexual imperative.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/21 04:32 AM
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Me randomly inserting my sometimes PSA about 80-20 (i.e. the Pareto principle). 80-20 is not about how many men women find attractive. It is a universal result obtained in any situation where a finite resource is desired by a population. 80-20 is about the volume of casual sex had by men. I.e. 80% of the casual sex that is had period is had by 20% of men. So, in short, smell dating or speed dating or any dating has exactly fuck all to do with 80-20.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/21 04:29 AM
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This sort of defense mechanism is, of course, part and parcel of the singular sexual tactic of women: Lie. Lie all the time. About everything having to do with sex. It's understandable. What else could women do in the past but lie? Lie about what the find attractive. Lie about whose baby it is. Lie about everything they think about sex and men. And, as OP points out, physical realities remain even in our modern world that necessitate this particular lie. OK. Just own the lies.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/21 05:24 AM
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OK, I am willing to admit I am surprised by this. I have always assumed that women telling me that they love my voice was just another random product of attraction I had cultivated otherwise (like a good-looking guy being called "funny," i.e. halo effect). I've been told (what I thought were silly things like) I could do ASMR or that they could literally listen to me talk for hours about anything. My voice, I think, is a lot like Mahomes'. We have similar registers, not very deep at all, but wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/21 06:48 PM
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But I’d argue as long as you are consistent she will stay attracted. Nope. In fact, there is a pithy term of art used by TRP to describe why this is not true: hypergamy. It is this definition of hypergamy that is meant by TRP, and not the colloquial, "everybody wants the best they can get," meaning that gets argued on PPD so much. Women are always on the lookout for the man that will give her more tingles. Being consistent is not enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 09:27 PM
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Men don't understand that women can desire sex with someone without being attracted to them at all, whereas that's not really true for men. This is the dumbest distinction without a difference I have read in a long time.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 07:57 PM
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If you make her feel wanted & desirable she will likely not give much of a shit about your looks. This is TRP 101. This is as pithy a summary of RP thought as I've ever read. Women's attraction is... "not durable." It is not reliable because it is really all about her (i.e. how she feels about the man). What can make it more reliable? Being so physically attractive that your mere presence makes her feel good about herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 07:55 PM
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Goddammit. This was actually funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 09:33 PM
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This would mean those “betas” are even looking at head-turning women when their wife is looking the other way. People like hot people, but it’s an unfortunate fact that only a select portion of this population fits the criteria, even in women. All of the men I know well who are still married to their first wife married the hottest, most attractive woman they ever had sex with. In the cases where I know the history of their respective wives, this is not true in any case. The women settled hard, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/21 06:37 PM
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They were quite real. Those kind, charismatic athletes could just be their kind, charismatic selves. That was enough to make their girlfriends feel good about themselves for being with those men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 11:34 PM
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Are you saying that every single time you’ve done this you got laid that night? Has it ever failed? I'll be honest: I can't remember. I have gotten laid after doing this seven times by the count I can remember right now. I am confident in that lower bound, and I can't recall a time it ever failed, but I can't be 100% sure. What is the next thing you do after you drink the guys drink. What is your interaction with her immediately after? I act as if nothing just happened. I just go back to talking…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 11:21 PM
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It sounds like you and your friends just really suck at picking women. Some of these men are my friends. Some aren't. Some are in my socioeconomic class. Some are not. Some are UMC. Some are working class. Some are people I like. Some are not. I have the good fortune of having friends and acquaintances across a large cross-section of the U.S. (and some other countries) population. It's a by-product of growing up in Reagan-era poverty, going to a large state university and playing a sport there, …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 11:17 PM
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And commented on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 10:58 PM
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Absolutely. I'm shocked I haven't had my ass handed to me already. It's the shock that prevents it mostly, I think. But, one day, I'll run into a dude who isn't shocked. I don't know if that will stop me, though. It just works too well.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 10:47 PM
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More than once.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 10:03 PM
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I don't now many women who go out of their way for bullies at first impression. You do. I have no idea what they look like or how they act. They have always been seemingly so different to me that I could not possibly pre-select them. It's almost as if every woman has the capacity for this. Maybe not, but I have no evidence otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 09:46 PM
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As I alluded to earlier, this has typically happened in the context of the drinks-after-whatever in pub sports leagues (think Meetup kickball and crap like that). It's always in a group setting. The women typically only get involved with a whispered, "Oh my God! You did not just do that!," or the like. The men typically don't leave, as they have been pretty abased and need to build some social proof back up. Other men (i.e. not the guy whose drink I just stole). sometimes refuse to talk to me af…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 09:37 PM
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Some ladies who close out the bar can be smart and professionally successful too. Agreed. Your previous commentary, however, was clearly a swipe on the intelligence and intrinsic worth of these women. You can deny it, but any reasonable person would agree. Whatever her profession, she's attracted to bullies who make other men sad for fun. Yep. Over and over and over again. And the bully isn't even good-looking. I am not. Good for you. Stay safe and warm in that image of yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 09:32 PM
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Oof. Even if you got it back? I don't give it back. Ever. Giving it back would be kinda stupid, but, as you hint, at least it would be better. How does it tend to go when you do this to others? I'm big. I've had a couple of guys look like they really wanted to knock the shit out of me, but were scared. I'll probably get hurt doing it someday, but it hasn't happened yet. It's so horribly effective, I'll keep doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 09:20 PM
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But I guess it does on the barmaids you've taken home. Two attorneys, a community college English instructor, an MD, and a woman who owns a sewing shop, FFS. And a few more whose random jobs I can't remember.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 09:15 PM
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I think you missed the point. I did not. But, I did underestimate your willingness to perpetuate a silly lie. I’m saying people are allowed to change and grow. Of course. But, ... What we value in a partner at 17 isn’t the same as 27. Absolutely not. What we will put up with in a partner at 17 isn’t the same as 27. Women do not find beta traits sexually attractive. This is, however, an oft-repeated lie. Women do learn over their sexual lifetimes what will allow them to live the life they want, h…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 09:14 PM
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It would just feel like bullying. It is bullying. It is a shocking thing for a human being to do to another person. It works with depressing consistency.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 09:07 PM
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That's not being an asshole, that's playful. I'd find it charming Good to know. You are not a person who I would care to know or associate with whatsoever. If someone did this to me, I would never speak a word to them again as long as I lived. Edit: typo
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 09:04 PM
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I don't think I follow the taking water from another man story. Or maybe I don't think I'm turned on by another man bullying a smaller man. I guess you're saying other women are. In a group of people (say, at the after-thing for a pub sports league), I literally take the drink of the guy next to me and drink it before he can. Just take it and drink it. I have gotten laid every time I ever done this. Being an asshole "toward" a woman requires considerably more care and not a mean amount of prior …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 09:02 PM
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There is hypergamy and there is the TRP term-of-art "hypergamy." Why should we discuss the first here on PPD rather than the latter? (spoiler: we shouldn't). This is from the TRP sidebar: "Hypergamy – The instinctual urge for women to seek out the best alpha available. This is marked by maximizing rejection (therefore women are the selective gender). A woman will vet her alpha through various shit tests to ensure his "health" on the alpha scale. She is conditioned to recognize a declining alpha,…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 08:51 PM
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I'll cut-and-paste an earlier reply (to a different OP than the one mentioned) from me: Like, maybe define "asshole" for a start This is, indeed, a very good place to start. Asshole is used as an epithet and a particular descriptive and lots of things. It gets confused with men who are truly evil. Evil men are often assholes, but not all assholes are evil. It's not that difficult, I think. I try to imagine a man that I would not want to be around myself. Someone whose constant interaction with t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 08:45 PM
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I can't imagine it genuinely surprises you. It's an artfully done little essay built around the canard that everyone thinks AF/BB is a calculated, purely pecuniary strategy. "Oh, a woman settling for a schlub in her 30's isn't anything she planned. It just becomes obvious Chad ain't gonna be a stable dad!" What a dream it is for any man to be this second-place stand-in.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/20 01:31 PM
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It ain't. But, about this topic, women lie a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 03:07 AM
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This is a crazy convoluted set of hoops. Occam's razor says they did and they lied about doing it. The "statistic" is nonsense. This belief that people were more chaste in the later part of the 20th century is a myth. All these old women are lying about cheating on their husbands.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 02:26 AM
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The data are for married women. If they fucked before they got married, they didn't "cheat."
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 02:18 AM
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Well, they iz... https://old.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/klfukf/why_do_men_report_more_oppositesex_sexual/gh8r9r1/
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 02:07 AM
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that generation of women are pre-hormonal birth control, Only the 80+ bin was "pre-hormonal birth control" for any part of their adult life. Also, people have always fucked outside of marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 01:46 AM
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I bet I'm older than you. Also, not wanting to go my own way. Just never gonna marry again.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/20 11:03 PM
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you’re spoiled whiners if think not getting exactly the Lambo you want is oppressive Not oppressive in the least. It's just a question of whether or not it's worth paying the same $500k for an old Yugo that will simply disappear one day. Spoiler: it's not.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/20 10:53 PM
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This response is the apotheosis of, "yes, OP is right, but I don't like it." How about you not tell people how to feel?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/20 10:42 PM
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It's 10% versus 11% between age 18-29.. 😑 They cheat the same amount. All other age ranges men overwhelmingly cheat more, with a bigger spread between men and women. You really need to learn how to read a plot. The plot in your link is the cumulative percentage of each gender who ever admitted to cheating on a spouse. The male curve essentially increases monotonically, while the female curve does not. The plot proves that older women are lying about never having cheated.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/20 04:47 PM
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Bullshit. I barely care if a woman has a face.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 11:53 PM
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The house doesn't like card counters. So much this. This is a vastly underestimated effect here on PPD with respect to women's objections to any number of RP notions. "Fake it till you make it," is the most damnable idea to a woman. They desperately want to think their "radar" can discern the "good genes." Anything that thwarts that needs to be destroyed.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 07:39 PM
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The holdout. By far. For the 1-3 dater, there are only two possibilities: Either she is authentically sexually attracted and can't maintain kayfabe, or she just likes to fuck. Neither of these allows for much manipulation.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 12:15 AM
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I'd like to change your view, but it's sort of hard to discern what it is exactly. Best I can tell, all you said is that women lie about everything having to do with sex all the time. Actually, I can't change your view about that: it's gospel truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 11:53 PM
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Well, the quoted sentence is about the actual process. But, are you incapable of understanding the difference between making a decision based on one's assessment of how an external object/force/agent would impact the self and a decision to undertake an action based on how one feels just by making the decision?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 02:26 AM
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Because if there are factors that are truly incompatible, that is NOT attractive for her This just proves my point. All of the caveats and considerations you mention (and more!) are perfectly reasonable things for a woman to think about before she fucks a man. They don't all get evaluated every time, in the same way, with the same weight though, do they? Sometimes a woman just fucks a good-looking guy. She does this because he is attractive! This calculus that women do is rational, but it's not …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 12:04 AM
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Answers from women to this question are useless. It's because of a fundamental difference in the use of the word, "attracted." Women are every bit as able to parse the attractiveness of a man as men are with women. Indeed, they are much more visual in many ways: They notice and catalog a huge variety of features typically. Once men go through face shape, eye shape, boobs, waist, and ass, we're pretty much done. Legs maybe. But, after that evaluation, they immediately get into their head and star…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 06:47 PM
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I wonder if I’m borderline asexual or something. No. You're just a regular woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 06:34 PM
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I have a career that provides me substantial satisfaction both in terms of financial renumeration and in terms of producing knowledge useful for humankind. I have a wide circle of friends and a family that is close to me. I have hobbies that I love, that allow me engage with fascinating people from all over the world and, in the case of a couple of them, have provided me with small measures of fame. I've travelled all over the world, with Antarctica being the only continent I've never visited. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/20 04:04 PM
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I feel like this comment oughta be required reading for every young man. It really is a wonderful glimpse into the female psyche. Brava!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 07:17 AM
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Like, maybe define "asshole" for a start This is, indeed, a very good place to start. Asshole is used as an epithet and a particular descriptive and lots of things. It gets confused with men who are truly evil. Evil men are often assholes, but not all assholes are evil. It's not that difficult, I think. I try to imagine a man that I would not want to be around myself. Someone whose constant interaction with the people around him is annoying at best and absolutely excruciating at worst. Someone w…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 06:17 PM
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https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/022/255/tumblr_inline_o58r6dmSfe1suaed2_500.gif Thanks. I now understand why I didn't understand it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 05:08 AM
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"Theory" does not require "science" Historians formulate theories as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 04:11 AM
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This is something from what it seems like, the red pill doesn't get right. The key is making her feel sexy and irresistible. Women love men who moan and vocalize and talk dirty about how goddess-like they are. Women like men to suggest or act like they can't control their base desires when confronted with her unbelievable allure. This is pretty much RP 101: The thing that makes a woman attracted to you is how you make her feel. Always and period. This includes during sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 04:08 AM
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the level of "lied to" some men claim makes me think they grew up exclusively on Mozart and Journey I don't understand what this is supposed to mean, but this is not a bad approximation of what I actually grew up on, music-wise.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 04:03 AM
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Status among other women gained from being married.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/20 01:09 AM
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And if you don't trust her, what are you doing with her? If a woman claims she was so traumatized by her single experience with one specific sex act that she could never imagine trying it again, only a monster would ask her to do it anyway. If, however, the much more common situation obtains where she says she, "just doesn't like it," but her committed male partner would like to try with her, what good are her protestations of being in a trusting relationship with him? Only a monster would deny …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/20 01:05 AM
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It isn’t a bad stragedy. [sic] It's a great strategy for women! Perfectly rational. It's just that it leads to men bring trapped in marriages where they are never desired (and come to be despised) and are used for their ability to provide social proof (and, in rare occasions in the modern West, for their ability to provide material goods). I know you think this doesn't happen. It happens. All. The. Time. It is the mode experience of most men who marry.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/20 12:16 AM
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Both "victims" in these twinned stories are idiots. Almost every woman (EVERY woman) seems to have a version of the distaff sides of these stories. Few men--in reality--have divorce rape stories. So, where does most of the idiocy lie?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 11:20 PM
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I don't think it's a defense Neither do I. I think it is an excuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 10:19 PM
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What if she did these things but didn’t like them, and only did it because she felt pressured to say yes by men who didn’t really care? I never have understood how this "defense" doesn't make women look like mindless, agency-less idiots.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 09:20 PM
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basically states the more options a female has the worst results she'll get You really should learn what "magical thinking" actually means.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 05:30 PM
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Older women are no more or less eager to jump into bed. They just have to be made to feel like jumping into bed, at any age. I was never "hung up" on a woman's n-count. I have never slept with a woman with a lower n-count than me (at the time we fucked) in my entire life. That has not changed in my 40's. I do not expect it to change.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 07:49 PM
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Direct experience here. Late 40's male. Divorced for quite a while. Not much different than what it was like in my 20's. Fewer women who want to get married the older you go (say, up to 50-52 or so). But, 36-40 year olds are out there trying to get themselves a beta bux with a vengeance. I always say I could get married within 2 months to an attractive divorcee if I wanted. But, these women just want to be married and have somebody to help support their kids. 45 year olds and up are often lookin…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 02:44 AM
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Can't. 100% correct. We're in total agreement. Epidemiology is fucking real as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/20 06:04 PM
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It really is a question of living long enough, I think. I have seen so many examples of AF/BB from almost all perspectives. Buddies and acquaintances that married women who I know were among the many railed by several of my revenue-sport athlete friends in college. The dumb schlubs who get/got brought to holiday get-togethers by the biggest sluts in my hometown. They--festooned in their turtlenecks--were so proud to meet her friends, oblivious to the fact that the last time she stood between tho…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/20 03:02 AM
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that even ONS, you’re -- (both parties I would assume?) going to want some sort of mental stimulation before the other type of stimulation. Witty banter that doesn’t include deprecating jokes. Flirting that doesn’t include flirting with each other’s friends. You're not wrong, per se. But, I suspect your idea of "witty banter" and my idea of being an asshole have high overlap. Lots of folks here on PPD who like to argue against TRP would say that I confuse not being a doormat with being an asshol…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 03:52 AM
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Thanks very much for your reply! Apparently these women don’t want to have sex with you because of those traits. In the first instance, these women don't want to have sex with me because they do not find me attractive, regardless of those traits or not. They want a husband, and I'll do. If I were to marry them, then acted like that, yes, they would get even more repulsed. I know the “hard to get” game works to a certain extent but it blows me away that women or men would fall for this too much. …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 08:24 PM
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I also assumed that it was easier for men just because they usually have a larger lake to fish from because of ages. You sound like you've had plenty of experiences in life, running the full gamut from great to terrible. This is, of course, one of the advantages we both have over extreme youth. If you live long enough, you experience almost every joy and almost every tragedy. So, given that, I am shocked that such a seemingly wise woman would claim to believe what I quoted above. Surely you know…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/20 11:12 PM
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I wouldn’t have to rely on a steady relationship to have regular sex, even with good looking men. Of course: you're a woman. Your experience of sex and relationships is completely different from that of a man. Source: a man very close to your age.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/20 03:34 PM
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For my female friends, it’s safer. This is the only answer that is required here. This is the "reason."
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/20 02:10 AM
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There's no way 60-70% of men are celibate for years at a time. You know, you're right. I was not careful, and this is wrong. The truth is that 60-70% of single men are celibate for years (i.e. at least one and sometimes more) at a time. If it makes you feel better about yourself, then sure, men who are not having sex or having very little sex are average. That's a terrific little dig you added there. I'm sure it made you feel better about yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 07:03 PM
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You do know the average male loses his virginity at 17 right? having sex is average. :/ These two statements are in no way equivalent to one another. You seem to think that because there is an average age when men first have sex that men have sex from then on at some arbitrary frequency. One has nothing to do with the other. "Average guys" is also a not-too-useful construct. What matters is the mode experience of men. To put it in terms of your arbitrary 'tiers'-- How many men are in each tier? …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 06:56 PM
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I would say I'm talking about "above average" guys who actually have a shot at a relationship, because according to what you said, average guys don't consistently date, therefore only very rarely get relationships. This is close enough to correct, yes. You are talking about above average guys, likely because those are the only men you perceive as men. People date, have sex, then breakup, as you say. This cycle happens for both men and women. It happens for women with great regularity and little …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 06:24 PM
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. They'll maybe get laid a few times a year if they're trying. That is simply not the life of a truly average, single man. You think the men you are taking about are average. Agreed that a truly celibate man over a span of years is rare. But, a year-long dry spell at time,--and several of them over a decade--is the mode experience of adult men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 05:54 PM
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Most average men are able to get casual sex, Here's where we learned OP is a woman. This is quite insightful, however, with a minor tweak: Girls will fuck you if circumstances (circumstances=she feels a certain way at a certain time) are in your favor but they won't want to fuck you exclusively if you're just average.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 05:22 PM
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I change it constantly, but mostly 32-55. I get the fewest matches from women exactly my age.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 01:34 AM
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Late 40's, 6'2", still have my hair, bigger than average build (have lifted weights throughout my life since the age of 14), 2-3% wage earner (PhD in a STEM discipline, now run an organization). I am told I am an engaging person: I have a wide circle of friends and I have had the "Most Interesting Man in the World" meme referenced with respect to me dozens of times in various ways and places. I have zero success on OLD. I am not good-looking enough. I could get married to a woman between 35 and …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 12:47 AM
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Thanks for telling me which men to avoid Oh, absolutely. But, alas, you won't be able to. In fact, they'll be the ones you want most.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/20 02:48 PM
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I pay close attention to women's insecurities. As you say, they are legion and ubiquitous. One really good way to get laid is to tug on those strings (albeit deftly).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/20 02:49 AM
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Almost every single person on the planet has been rejected or lied to, including and perhaps especially in a romantic context, and they don't all go out and become bitter and redpilled. Yep. People are stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/20 05:36 PM
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Lighten up, Francis.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/20 04:04 AM
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This
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/20 02:39 AM
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This comment is fascinating. You give yourself and your experience away in such a transparent fashion. Yes, men over the age of--let me guess--about 25(?) have serious conversations about their relationships with women. Sometimes these conversations do occur in locker rooms, but not in "gym" or country club locker rooms, but in "real" locker rooms where it's actually a shared space with familiar people (i.e. team sports locker rooms). Also, people who actually know fundamentalists know that they…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/20 03:37 PM
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I get complimented all the time by women. I am not satisfied in the least because I am told that the nature of the compliments that I receive (e.g., that I have a keen intellect, am considerate of people, that I am interesting and engaging) should make me sexually attractive. I now know these are blatant lies.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 07:46 PM
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Indeed. I can see, "You have a little dick!," and, "You're a fucking whore!," coming out in an argument at roughly the same rate. Truths that only come out when we're angry...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 07:06 PM
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Men are easily fooled by how a woman “presents.” But like I said they know not to ask. No argument on these points. As concise and pithy a description of taking the blue pill as I've ever read. No woman I've ever been with had a lower body count than me at the time we got together. The only reasonable assumption for any man is to assume that the chick you think is a pretty good match to you has had a lot more sex than you. Lots of men (read as: bloops) do not want to know that reality. Because e…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 05:40 PM
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I’ve been in male circles with men, I do not think you believe that your experience being a woman around a group of men is in any way like being a man in a group of men. To think that would be idiotic, and I don't think you're an idiot. Lmao we don’t care. Understood. No reason you should care. Until, you do... Until there's some guy you really want to stay with. Though you're convinced that guy would never be one of the ones that cares about your n-count, he will be. He'll care. Because we all …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 05:28 PM
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men don’t care or care to ask. These two things are, in no way, equivalent. Men don't ask for a host of reasons. But, men care. A lot. Almost all of them. You can say I'm wrong, but my lived experience is being around a bunch of men in men-only spaces. The topic and the wondering and the conjecture comes up all the time..
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 04:31 PM
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I think this is a very fair answer to this question. Any reasonable man never asks. How would women know? But, every man you've ever been with cared. They cared quite a bit. Men in men-only spaces talk about the n-count of women a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 04:23 PM
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The most interesting thing was not the "point" of the experiment at all. The most interesting thing was the completely assorted opinions of the men with respect to the rankings (except for the fat girl; even at that, 4/5 of those men would have fucked the fat chick). If those guys had been asked to write down their rankings in isolation, there would have been 5 different women at #1, 5 different women at #2, etc. If the women in that video had ranked the men, one man would have had all the #1 sl…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/20 06:11 PM
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Most women don't cheat. Who TF believes this? Most people cheat! I.e., more than 50% of all people have cheated on an exclusive partner. Women just always have an "excuse."
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/20 01:47 PM
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This stupid fucking trope that all the "non-20%" men here are just socially inept is... a stupid fucking trope. I have no doubt there are a bunch of 19-yr-old nerds and 25-yr-old IT engineers who conform to this notion. But, RP is about the Average Frustrated Chump(TM). That's just us not-good-looking not-drug-dealer guys. I'm charismatic as fuck. I can hold an audience in the palm of my hand, and I make people comfortable and willing to talk. I get a constant chorus of, "You can talk to anyone!…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 02:07 AM
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I didn't settle at all. My ex-wife did, however. That was the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/20 08:43 PM
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In an abstract sense, either is fine. But... the husband lied about a dealbreaker before getting married, Unless the singular "dealbreaker" was that he was gay, this belies a particularly crazy attitude on the part of the divorcee.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/20 03:38 PM
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I don't find that women give that much of a shit about cheating. Women who are sick of their mates or exes kind of like it when they cheat: Instant rationalization for whatever they want to do or say.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 04:45 AM
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Real men are kind Agree and don't need to pretend they are something they are not. Unless they want to get laid. A real alpha doesn't need to bother with this mumbo jumbo bullshit. Also true.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 02:10 AM
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No response to this, but I love your handle! 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/20 11:30 PM
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Men-hating women fear and hate men for a variety of reasons. Very, very few women hate men without there being some proximate cause in their past. They were treated--or saw another(s) treated--badly by a man, and they have no reason to expect any man is different. It's not the craziest thing a human could believe, but it does belie a fundamental misunderstanding of how observation and generalization work. That's how racists work as well. Conversely, I hate the police. I hate the police in spite …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/20 09:50 PM
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if the person was significantly more attractive than their partner. No man ever thinks this way. Ever. This is female thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/20 02:22 AM
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..."solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short." Despair is the enemy of us all. No reason to succumb, however: just learn to live with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/20 05:51 PM
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I have a high-paying job (I'm something like a top 3-4% wage earner; I just googled it and found tables for 2018). I have a completely paid-for house. I have a large group of friends, and I am close (though we don't live close to one another) with my remaining family. I wouldn't trade the bulk of my financial security (i.e. give up my house) or my relationships with my closest friends and family to have access to more sex with more women. But, the sort-of converse to this question is a different…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/20 07:14 PM
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He's the kind of guy that if a spotlight isn't around, he'll just create one. If I were asked to provide a pithy definition of "asshole," I could hardly do better than this. You also make clear this was not "out of character" for him. This guy's an asshole.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/20 12:39 PM
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We know men aren’t saints, and how can you prostrate yourselves for us when you don’t know anything about us? It’s ludicrous. We’re not queens; we’re flawed humans. That pedestal is scary This is authentic and true.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/20 04:35 AM
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I understand your reasoning here, to a point. But, it is far more complex than you make it out to be. Women love assholes. No matter what kind of rationalizations you see bandied about here, there is no reasonable way to deny this. One of the most popular ways to try to sidestep this fact is to say that "doormats" and "losers" mistake confidence and not being a doormat for being an asshole. No. That's simply not it. Women like men who take up space: physically, socially, mentally, and dominance-…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/20 02:27 AM
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I have past FWB I have literally loved but I wouldn't go to their funeral. Why not? It seems the perfect thing to do in this case to me. but i've never had a FWB that didn't start and end w sex. Oh. So, you're a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/20 06:49 PM
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Good for you. You have to decide for yourself if that has maximized your pleasure.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/20 06:42 PM
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I go to lots of people's funerals who I have various relationships with. Not all of those relationships are intimate. Sometimes I go for courtesy. Sometimes I go because I admired them in some way. Sometimes I go to watch the other mourners. That's all I want: to inspire something that makes them want to be there. It's an aim. It's aspirational. I do not know how successful I will be. Until then, imma try to have as much sex with as many women as possible. Will that optimize my progress to this …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/20 06:40 PM
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No. I want to like them as humans well enough that I don't want to run screaming from their presence as soon as I nut. That's all. Turns out, this is rara avis.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/20 06:36 PM
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Why would it? I have plenty of people in my life now who make me happy. No need to change that for sex. That's why they would be/are FWB's.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/20 06:20 PM
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I want to have a uninterrupted, steady, and quality stream of FWB's for the rest of my life and for them all to come to my funeral. Not even kidding.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/20 06:08 PM
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The first link was/is behind a paywall. Thank you for your cut-and-paste. Nevertheless, all of these examples are a posteriori evaluations of how "nice" someone was. It's all 100% halo effect and virtue signaling. You need to just deal with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/20 01:08 AM
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From the second link: "Participants in the study viewed photographs of opposite-sex individuals and rated them for attractiveness before and after being provided with information on personality traits." From the third link: "We collected survey data from 103 women who rated (1) the extent to which their orgasm frequency varied between partners, (2) the characteristics of previous sexual partners who induced high-orgasm frequency and those who induced low-orgasm frequency, and (3) the specific be…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 11:45 PM
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Indeed. Which is a terrible commentary on what women find attractive. My hobbies are me in a very real sense. What/who I am makes no difference to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 10:35 PM
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I'm a technical scuba diver who has done dives in lots of weird and exotic places. I've never met a woman who wasn't already a diver who gave two shits. But, yes, to your observation about turning a no to a yes. My point was exactly that: hobbies is just as random as all the other bizarre and varied and weird stuff that makes a random woman tip from no to yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 06:25 PM
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I always love and hate when the topic of hobbies comes up on PPD. As with many things, it's fun to watch women lie about them, but it's an especially pernicious lie to me. I have a fair handful of hobbies. I am serious about them, ie I have invested significant amounts of time and treasure in them over the years. They are not lame-o nerdy hobbies. They are either competitive or performative. They are--almost exclusively--the kinds of activities that a normal human would consider interesting. I d…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 04:30 PM
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Can't change your view that women care only about how desirable to other women a man is. That is all they care about. Conversely, however, men also perceive status in other men in two different ways: Men who have some sort of temporal, immediate power over them, and Men who contribute real value to them and others in some way. Anything else is not status in a man's eyes. It's... luck?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 04:26 AM
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Is there a corollary to Godwin's Law about the response being something like, "Yeah, Nazism is problematic. Let me explain to you exactly where it goes wrong..."? Unbelievable.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/20 06:56 PM
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It's not true. This conflation of overall genetic superiority in all facets is Nazi horseshit, and is directly countermanded by the experience of any professional over the age of 30. Tingling pussies believe what they want to believe. Nothing more, nothing less.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/20 05:33 PM
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You gotta love all the comments in this thread that are nothing more than, "Attractive men are just better. Deal with it."
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/20 01:59 PM
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OLD is so ineffective for me that sending emails to randomly generated addresses would be more fruitful. I get essentially no matches. I am much more successful in person: at bars, sporting events, pub sports leagues. I'm not physically attractive enough to benefit from OLD.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/20 01:03 AM
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Errrr... I thought it would be obvious I was referring to the TRP post referenced. I'm well aware of Atlas' demographics.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 04:12 PM
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I'm impressed (surprised? doubtful?) this post is from a 26-yr-old man. As noted in the post itself, not a mean amount of the observations and advice offered boil down to grow the fuck up and deal with reality. These are ideas that are usually the product of experience and nothing else. This notion of experiential information, of course, has always been part of TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 02:32 PM
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Thanks! I admit I am surprised that your count is only +1 versus his given this relatively close match. My experience has been quite different.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 10:39 PM
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I meant sort of your attitudes about sex and social interaction in general: Did you both go to bars when younger? Or not? Did/do you have large circles of friends of both genders? Does your attitude about casual sex seem to match (either now or earlier in your life)?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 10:31 PM
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Do you consider yourselves well-matched, particularly sociosexually?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 10:23 PM
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OP is not gonna like the responses to this. Especially from the bloops. I have never encountered a more cynical population...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 10:22 PM
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Do you know your husband's n-count? And, if so, would you mind disclosing it here?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 10:19 PM
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This question will just be over-parsed and the analogy will be reduced to meaninglessness through silly nitpicking. It's the favorite sport of PPD women. It's already happened: one respondent didn't bother to find out what Morganfield's is and just assumed it was "fine dining."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 01:35 AM
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This troll got A LOT of people triggered pretty easily. 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 08:53 PM
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However, that does not mean that TRP's answer is entirely accurate. It doesn't matter if "TRP's answer" is "accurate" or not. It's meaning to TRP is sui generis. That's what calling it a term of art means! All this brain-dead over-parsing does is lead to confusion!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 01:24 PM
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Neither the colloquial nor the technical sociological definition of hypergamy matters on PPD!!!! "Hypergamy" is a TRP term of art. The definition is in the TRP sidebar. It doesn't mean anything like what is in OP: Hypergamy – The instinctual urge for women to seek out the best alpha available. This is marked by maximizing rejection (therefore women are the selective gender). A woman will vet her alpha through various shit tests to ensure his "health" on the alpha scale. She is conditioned to rec…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 01:04 PM
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The general point of OP is, of course, correct. TRP is intentionally and "naturally" about an adversarial relationship between the sexes, and in-group bias and cult-think abounds. This is especially true here on PPD, where most of the "red side" knows even less than the bloopers about what TRP "says." But, the real root of it is not so much that men are wonderful. Men are men: some are ethical and relatively "good," while others are shitty and worthless. It's that men are straightforward, even i…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 03:45 PM
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Men do not do this mental calculus that women do about the inner life and intentions of the objects of their lust. A man might well decide that a crazy bitch is not worth the trouble, but the "value proposition" is still there: a decision must be weighed. Women's claim of being "not attracted" to arrogant or stupid or unethical men is purely ingrained virtue signalling. I have no doubt any number of women really believe they wouldn't fuck Chris Evans if they knew he was a bad person. But what th…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 06:52 PM
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A lone voice in the brain-dead wilderness calls out...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 10:53 PM
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This is a fascinating OP! Insightful and careful. Since this is PPD, I will pick one nit. "Nuns" are the most artificial of these categories. This bucket might include asexual and demisexual women, but the rest of this classification is "created" by happenstance and ephemeral circumstance. To be sure, "sluts" and "whores" are also nurture as much (more?) as nature. But, this nun classification can be shed by a woman on a dime! Most nuns don't survive until, say, 35 years old being only nuns. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 06:56 PM
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I'm sorry, but I don't think this question is asked in good faith. It's like asking,"What does 'the color blue' mean?" It sounds philosophical, but, in reality, is silly.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 11:04 PM
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Half of all the divorced men I know (a lot, across a wide cross section of socioeconomic and other dimensions) are divorced because they married women who never found them attractive. The other half fucked themselves out of a marriage (literally). Divorced women who are looking to get married again do not care if they are attracted to their second husbands either. Thankfully for me, some divorced women don't want to get married again. I'm happy to devote my attention to them, and play the alpha …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 10:23 PM
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I'm a top 5% wage earner (so, not "rich", but definitely UMC) and I have a PhD and use it in my profession. RP ideas get my dick wet. Without them, I would not get my dick wet. I have run the experiment.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 09:52 PM
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No. I don't want to fuck 20 year olds any more or less than I want to fuck 32 yr olds (I'm old.). But, I only want to be around women who find me viscerally attractive. I could go out and literally get married again in a matter of weeks to low number of months if I wanted. I have no dearth of targets for that. None of these women who would marry me in a heartbeat would find me viscerally attractive without me expending a lot of energy projecting alpha behavior. They sure wouldn't have pissed on …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 09:37 PM
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Every woman I have ever sexted with has obviously had far more experience doing it than I have. So, pretty much the same as meatspace sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 02:45 PM
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I have had exactly the opposite experience with recently divorced women. It took me a long time (like, an actual long time. years) to really "recover" after my divorce. It also took internalizing some RP ideas to actually make my recovery meaningful (i.e. to get me to the place where I could get laid). I go through recently divorced women at a reasonable rate nowadays. The story is always the same, and it still shocks me: They always tell me they've been divorced for "over a year." Many of them …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 03:44 AM
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What a surprise OP is! Married couple, seem well-matched (i.e. there are no real issues and they seem to be happy with each other). Man is shocked to learn that his n-count is almost exactly half of his wife's! It's not a surprise... This is the mode situation!! Married male-female couples who are well-matched with similar socioeconomic backgrounds and similar sociosexual inclinations always have n-count ratios ~2/1 between the man and the woman. I have no idea why this ratio seems so universal …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/20 07:27 PM
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You're right! Victim of cut-n-paste while rearranging a sentence! Of course, you're free to think it was a slip.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/20 07:16 PM
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There's just a crowd of more extreme mgtow/incel types who make the RP look bad. True. There's always a flood of ridiculous statements that can't be filtered as incelish, per se, but that are so preposterous that I get why they need to be limited somehow.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/20 07:09 PM
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So, I really do think I am fair-minded, and I do believe a perusal of my comment history on PPD would generally support that assertion. I, of course, have a bias (as do we all) and that bias is signaled through my flair. Having said that, I don't want to be accused of whining, but... I have noticed a rash (for lack of a better word) of posts over approximately the last two weeks that are getting removed after about an hour or a little less. There is, I admit freely, a selection effect: I'm only …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/20 07:01 PM
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It is not mathematically impossible. You simply do not understand the difference between mean and median.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/20 05:23 PM
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"spank me daddy!" ???? Really? Goddamn Millennials...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/20 05:29 PM
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"Men I'm attracted to are not attracted to me, no matter what I do." Occam's Razor says the most likely explanation is that you're just not that attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/20 05:25 PM
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i mean old people. men who are 50 when you are 13. That is not what you said. This is pedophilia. You were not referring to pedophilia.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 07:43 PM
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if they know your out of their league they will stare with no regard for your preference. staring, after a while, feels like violence SMDH. For fuck's sake...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 07:34 PM
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Yep. Great-great-granny was a woman. Therefore, she fucked. 'Cause she could. It's almost as if this is a natural consequence of being female...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 02:19 AM
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Why would an athlete marry a ho also? Because that's (a) who they met cause that's who they were in proximity to, and (b) they were the most attractive women in said vicinity. Pro athlete wives are consumate pros themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 08:46 PM
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There is no such thing as a professional athlete that hasn't slept with probably hundreds of women. That's completely consistent with what I said. The women they ended up with had slept with 400 men to their 200 women. As far as the others, they could've just been late bloomers who focused on their career and were ultimately settled for their money. Because men do that... You do realize it is mathematically impossible for all men to marry women with double their count, it takes two to have sex. …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 08:18 PM
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Could be. I mean, it's only a handful of good ole boy rednecks, truck drivers, and casino workers. Oh... and a couple of college professors, a trio of lawyers, a hedge fund manager, a US Navy Commander, two former professional athletes (including one who you would likely recognize), a successful musician, and a not-unsuccessful actor. But, I'm sure your analysis is correct... EDIT: But, yes, you are likely right about one thing. They are being settled for. They are, after all, with (or were with…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 07:39 PM
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These n-count estimates and claims are always relative to the people involved. People with high sociosexuality are gonna have higher n-counts, both men and women. People with lower sociosexuality will have lower n-counts. I have some observations of n-counts through my life (I am also quite old and was married for many years.). These include knowing my own body count, knowing the body count of the women I have been in LTRs with (some of these I know to high precision, some I only know a lower bo…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 09:53 PM
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you can't be threatened by my ugly colleague but it's perfectly reasonable to feel that way about my personal trainer. This is precisely why it's a fool's errand. If it's "perfectly reasonable," I refuse to play the trained monkey.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 01:01 AM
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Every divorcee I've ever hit on had a version of the following: "Well, my divorce was final <some relatively short time ago>, but I moved out <somewhat longer ago>. Really, our relationship was over <some number of *years* ago>, so..." All of them. They elide the fact that, in most cases, it was over because of that other guy fucking them during and immediately after that move-out.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/20 10:14 PM
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It's both. 2/3 of the gaussian lies between 4'a and 7's. The uglies and the Chad's don't get married until they get old.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/20 07:20 PM
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Something like, 90% of guys are married by the time they are 35. Nope. The American Community Survey says that number is 67%, not 90%. Not coincidentally, that matches up pretty well with a gaussian for men who are 8+. That's up to 79% at age 40. Those are numbers for men who were ever married.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/20 06:57 PM
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It's usually a 7 tricking a 6 who has in the past regularly dated other 7s and maybe even 8s. That's not the situation suggested in OP. We're taking about male 8+'s. For these men, it does not matter one bit if the woman is a 3 or a 10: the only reasonable Bayesian-like prior is that this man will not commit. If you believe otherwise, you have no understanding of the male psyche. So you acknowledge that it's a risk that women take? >As in, there is a chance that he is legitimately into her? Of c…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/20 06:46 PM
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How is it transparent when a guy you like fakes as though he likes you back, indistinguishably from a guy who legitimately likes you back? Who doesn't ask themselves the simple question, "What does this person want from me?," when they are first getting to know them? Do you not calibrate your understanding of motivation based on the source? Ironically, you are suggesting a parsing of human motivations and reactions that is very autistic! Normal people can understand other humans' motivations. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/20 06:26 PM
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I have many good female friends. All of them are butt ugly. I adore them, and enjoy their company. I would not be friends with them if I could stomach the notion of fucking them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/20 06:08 PM
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If a woman really doesn’t know what men want, she has either been brainwashed, is being deliberately and strategically obtuse, or is in some serious denial. Agreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/20 06:06 PM
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They aren't getting the 7am texts saying good morning. They aren't there with mr. Fuckboy meets her grandma and makes them breakfast. They aren't there for the post sex cuddles I think the point might be that these little things are so goddamn transparent to any human being who is not actively trying to believe them. You have to be an idiot or desperately want them to be indicative of deeper investment. Both of these situations mean you are bad at understanding what you are dealing with.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/20 06:03 PM
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I think it is not too cynical or engaging in cherry-picking to suggest that both things (i.e. inflating partner count and exaggerating charitable work) would be something a liar would lie about. Yes, I think they would be correlated with one another.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/20 11:04 PM
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From the linked article: "The researchers interviewed about 800 people regarding their relationships and propensity for helping others, including giving to charity, donating blood, helping strangers cross the street, donating winnings and helping classmates, among other things." I.e., everybody lied about everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/20 10:55 PM
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A random young woman is random, by definition. Some are smarter, some are dumber. A random 35 yr old divorcee is not random. She chose bad earlier. There is no reason to think she won't choose bad again. And again. And again...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 05:58 PM
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They are, uniformly, less bright and have lesser-developed superegos, on average, compared to still-married and ever-single 35 yr old women. They are easy to figure out. This myth that they are all-seeing and wise because of their "vast experience" is horseshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 05:51 PM
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That's what I'm saying: if men wanted to"prey on" somebody, 35 year old divorcees are SO much easier to manipulate than a random 23 yr old hottie. There's a selection effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 05:38 PM
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This baseless strawman attack goes further in presupposing something not in evidence: that older women are capable of learning when they are being manipulated via experience. Your accusation is naked misandry, but even if it were true, single women in their 30s and 40s are among the most easily manipulated people on the planet. They are single in their 30s and 40s because they can't learn lessons.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 05:19 PM
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Yep. Every time. ..., not my circus...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 02:30 PM
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Oh, knowing the actual answer would be useful to lots of men. He'll not get that here.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 01:22 PM
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Of all the myriad useless questions asked of women on this sub, this is the most useless.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 05:55 AM
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Years ago, there were regular 250+ comment threads on PPD about this very subject. People refusing (unable?) to understand the difference between mean and median would fight tooth and nail to convince others that the SMP had to be mathematically balanced. This seems less of a problem here. Progress really does happen! My faith in humanity is ever so slightly restored.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/20 05:59 AM
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You understood EXACTLY what I said. Indeed, I did. I didn't whine about it. I simply pointed out that you equated hypergamy (in the RP sense of the word) with "happiness." Here, you reinforce explicitly what you implied, namely that "happiness" is simply the satisfaction of base impulses in your mind. You view satisfying those base impulses as "low class." Cool, cool. Those base impulses still exist, are strong, and require discipline and thought to defeat. AWALT.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/20 04:22 AM
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I don’t believe in happy life but I believe in meaningful life. Happy life in this sense aka cock carousel, partner’s friend who’s better or your trainer. You equate "happiness" with fucking your personal trainer. You proclaim that people must eschew "happiness" for a "meaningful life." Among the most RP thing ever written on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/20 04:08 AM
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You've answered what you see as a cartoon with another cartoon. Of course, if you are surrounded by MC and UMC people, the laughably low bar of not "demonstrating poor behaviour when out with their boyfriend," and not branch swinging to "tatted coke dealers," is gonna be met by all the women you know. who were raised clearly without any moral compass. This is, of course, part of the point. It is true that some women have better morals than other women. Some women try to act ethically when dealin…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/20 09:23 PM
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I know only one couple where this dynamic has "worked": I have a friend whose wife makes a lot more than him. Like, not the factor of 3 mentioned here. More like 30x more. But, they started out like that: He was broke and deep in debt, and she had a great job with a high salary (she is a high-powered exec now, making "fuck you" money). The chasm in money between them never changed fundamentally. It just got bigger, but it was always big enough. There is another factor at work: She is ugly. He's …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/20 08:17 PM
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I think the proportion of middle-aged hispanic ladies who can suck a dick like a pro is high.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/20 08:10 PM
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In regards to “chads” they don’t really have to be “good” at sex. This. If you peruse relationship/dating/sex subs on reddit, you find example after example of women "complaining" that Chad was "bad in bed," and that they've had "better" experiences with men that were much less attractive. Nevertheless, these professions typically end with the same sort wistful caveat: "I think about him still, though." "But, I did love the way he looked naked, and still think about it." "Nonetheless, 10/10 woul…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/20 06:49 PM
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That being said, obsession is the hottest thing sexually. Like I had a short femme boy who was completely obsessed with me back in high school and that was a sexual awakening for me ngl I miss that so much. Sounds like you want to be a domme. Plenty of submissive male fish in that sea...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/20 06:35 PM
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Leveraging insecurity to fuel desire is just about at par with beating the shit out of an SO if they don't sleep with you. This is the craziest statement I have ever read on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/20 01:50 AM
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Yes, but "hypergamy" is a TRP term-of-art. /u/BlackDogRamblin defined it earlier in this thread. The TRP term of art hypergamy has not so much to do with the colloquial meaning. And, certainly not anything OP is talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/20 05:11 AM
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I only 'cared' in that it made me sad that it worked, honestly. Same.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 08:19 PM
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who very frequently willfully give unprompted edgy monologues about how they only care about themselves, I understand what you are saying, but, honest to God, I am always most struck by how many people with blue flair on this sub constantly tell us that Nature is red in tooth and fang and that love is an illusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 06:05 PM
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This is a great post, IMHO. Can't change a view I essentially agree with.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 02:36 PM
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I am honestly amazed that any answer here--regardless of pill color--is anything other than: Walk now! She is already fucking somebody else. It is a fait accompli. It's already happened. You're done. I've had this line used on me multiple times in my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/20 01:02 AM
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Literally every player I know believes in a variation of "They're all hoes anyway" that makes the red pill seem like feminist propaganda. Agreed. They all dismiss the notion that women are anything but base creatures like they are breathing. The effortlessness (along with the depth) of their misogyny is what is amazing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/20 02:21 AM
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The best looking guys I've known have all gone through stages in their lives. The durations and details vary, but the ordering is fairly constant: Young man -- fucks as much as the women he knows, meets a girl he thinks is "special," commits Married/committed -- has a ~7 year marriage, mostly happy, has women throwing themselves at him, might cheat or his wife (also attractive) might cheat, divorced. After divorce -- Two paths here: some of these guys get "snatched up" real quick by divorced wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/20 02:20 AM
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I think my sudden repulsion trigger was an unconscious scapegoat I projected onto. I think your powers of introspection are very good. How is not obvious to everyone that this the "reason" for this supposed syndrome (it's not really a syndrome, btw)? Otherwise, the stories in the article (also btw: very similar stories can be found in numerous PPD posts over the years) are just mental illness.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 06:40 PM
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OP's gonna get accused of larping by multiple women here.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 05:03 AM
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Most posts on PPD elicit just what anybody who's been here for a while would expect: some claims and counter-claims, some declarations and over-simplifications, some trolling that is subtle, etc. But, every once in a while, somebody asks a question of women that is fundamental enough that they just can't lie about it. Something about something so rooted in their nature that all you can get is little qualifications and one-off anecdotes to soften the truth they feel compelled to tell. This thread…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/20 03:33 PM
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He could have tried something, but he didn't. I'm sorry, but that doesn't mean anything. Most men in most circumstances rarely try something, even in the situation you describe. Most men are (rightfully, if a little too timidly) terrified of rejection. Most men need a woman to take their hand and place it on their breast or ass. I'm sure your SO did take the initiative (as it sounds like you need that to happen). Good for him. Laid in a bed with you drinking whiskey and you don't think he's attr…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/20 04:53 PM
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And even when we were both single in the past, we weren't I wasn't interested in this sexual part of each other fucking him. FTFY
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/20 04:22 PM
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Why would my friend hang around for 17 years, without making any step towards having sex, when he just wants to 'bend me over'. Nobody said just wants to bend you over... Don't you think that a woman can be worthwhile to just know/ talk to/ have fun with? <sigh> Nothing I said precludes this. Indeed, this is the whole point! Men don't pigeonhole women into "friends-only" and "possible romantic partner" bins like women do. Men have a different decomposition for all people: "Want to fuck!" and "Do…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 03:47 PM
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As someone said, it is totally dependent on the woman. But, more importantly, it has nothing to do really with any sort of discernible physical difference that an "impartial" man (or woman) would describe. A woman hits the Wall when she thinks she has hit the Wall. It is when she determines that her SMV has dropped below her aspirations. Every woman will eventually make this determination, but some even make it prematurely! I've known women (source: married one) who were convinced they had hit t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 12:19 AM
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I took you at your initial, implicit "word" that yours was not an exploitive relationship towards him. I have no reason to think otherwise. I know when a guy is hitting on me No. You don't. All women think they do, but many don't. Has your friend ever approached you in a completely unambiguously non-platonic way? I am sure you are right that he has not. Does he have a good relationship with his SO? Sure, he could. He is in your proximity regularly without having to do anything else. These are no…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/20 11:52 PM
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Are you minimally attractive? If so, he wants to fuck you. I understand that you want to deny any motivation to "string him along." Just say that. There's nothing in your description of your relationship with him that suggests you are keeping him around for favors. But, the notion that he's not interested in having sex with you is ridiculous on the face of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/20 09:20 PM
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This is a statement that is true precisely because it contains no useful information.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 07:01 PM
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I get where this idea comes from. I realize and acknowledge that a bunch of young men here on PPD (mostly those with black pill flair, I will note) continue to make sweeping claims that all young women are instathots and club hoes. But, RP was never about those women. It was about women, period. I was married to a biomedical researcher. I've had relationships and flings with multiple lawyers, an MD, a high school band director, an HR manager, a couple of jobless sluts, a professor of English, a …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 04:19 PM
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I am definitely not a 7. I am a 5 on my best day and in person (i.e. not in a photo).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 02:36 PM
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Toys grabbed. Feet pointed home...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 01:40 PM
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Im a 5. I'm fairly confident in this assessment.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 01:37 PM
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This is a great catalog of all the standard dodges employed by PPD women to "explain away" the fact that women like Dark Triad traits. They are quintessential diversionary techniques. Number 3 is the most fascinating: It is simply a statement (but, not really an information-laden one; it's generally a cloaked lie) that looks can make personality unimportant if the looks are good enough. Conversely, we are told repeatedly that personality cannot really defeat poor looks (I.e the man is "entitled"…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 01:36 PM
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I didn't guess anything. You directly implied that all "insufferable pricks" were just the "product" of jealousy by incels. You are free to engage in revisionist history, but only an idiot would read your comment in any other way.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 01:26 PM
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You directly implied you believe both cases don't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 01:23 PM
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I have now run the experiment many times: when I appear as an insufferable pricks, I get my dick wet. When I treat people like I'd like to be treated, I get blocked. 100% of the time. That's all I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 01:22 PM
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Only an idiot believes both cases don't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 01:21 PM
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So, you don't believe, for a second, these men want anything other than a fuck? Sounds like a perfectly reasonable conclusion...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 01:10 PM
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The point is: insufferable pricks get laid like tile.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 01:06 PM
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When quarantine is over... Hell yes! Good on you for not being an idiot! But I expect any man I buy dinner to give up the drawers, so you know. What's fair is fair... ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 02:14 AM
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I literally searched on "beta bux" and this was like the 4th hit. I'll bet you dessert that I could go through the first 5 pages and find 5 more.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 02:02 AM
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I think it is difficult to portray this post as anything other than saying "a man being a beta bucks is a good thing." I like my steak rare...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 01:57 AM
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I think this was a question for me. No: but, yes, 4 of the examples are examples from my little hometown. The rest are from college. Beyond these cases where I know, unequivocally, that the woman rejected the man earlier, there are more where I can in good conscience guess it, as I have heard the "origin story" of their relationship. So, is it just restriction of choice? Of course. But, every 35 yr old divorcee's choices are limited for commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 01:46 AM
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Are you young? I find this to be an experience I share with lots of men older than 40.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 12:56 AM
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Non-autistics women have the gift of language communication and can use it tactically FTFY. The tactics are well-understood. It's still reprehensible to lie about why you are seeking commitment from another human being.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 12:56 AM
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why did they reject those men? Because they are schlubs. They are unattractive. But, post-divorce at 38 or with the baby alarm blaring at 33 their corrugated building businesses (e.g.) sure are good enough for marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 12:53 AM
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I have numerous examples of precisely this in my past experience. I know more than a half-dozen men who were explicitly rejected by a woman in their mutual youth who are now married to that woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 12:44 AM
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curate their communications to their partners and share the positive reasons they are together. That's a lot of words to say, "lie."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 12:42 AM
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This is also a good point. I think the crux of the difference might be what we think authentically inspires respect. Some things that annoy don't necessarily diminish respect enough to quell attraction. Indeed, a loss of admiration in a woman can be completely pathological at times: just a seemingly random event or thing. That smacks of rationalization.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 06:48 PM
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I really like the bulk of OP's exposition, with one small caveat. "Turned off by, " is not quite accurate. "Cannot and/or will not live with," is a more apt description. Also, the implication that a lot of self-delusion goes on is exactly correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 06:31 PM
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i suspect some socioeconomic elephants in the room This isn't wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 06:01 PM
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I believe that the men of the red pill want to have sex with porn girls then settle down with the girl next door while still chasing porn girls, or at jerking off to them when they want a little strange. You are, of course, free to believe anything you want. However, I do not know any mature man (me included) that thinks like this or wishes anything of the sort. You are projecting your real thoughts on men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 05:56 PM
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Yes, yes. It is completely understood that this must be the case...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 03:51 PM
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Please. You are being disingenuous by over-parsing this. You are free (indeed, encouraged unless you just want to continue be pedantic) to read, "getting railed by Chad," as, "having sex with a man they find sexually attractive."
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 03:26 PM
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AF/BB is perfectly natural. Furthermore, it is perfectly rational on the part of the woman. It's just that it is not ideal for a man, and it is carried out through lies. OP can't even frame a perfectly reasonable and natural assertion (i.e. it is natural and rational) without lying: people's preferences do not change. What women must tolerate and compromise on to achieve a viable marriage becomes evinces a change in mate choice. The sexual imperatives of men and women are at odds. AF/BB is an op…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 01:27 PM
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Yes, they are. They all are. They just don't admit it to themselves or anyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 03:30 AM
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I suspect a lot of men here would say it's because they don't want her to up and leave for a man with more money. This is far, far down the list of likely triggers for hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 01:47 AM
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This. I am always amazed that more men don't say just this on this sub. If it weren't for the fact that I need money and some social standing to attract women, I would only work hard enough to meet the bare essentials of life. I would groom myself only to the standard of being able to stand my own stink. I do almost everything I do in a day for pussy (ultimately).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 01:45 AM
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I'm pretty obviously a 5. The point is I have to meet all the listed qualifications, and be not off-putting (not really ugly), and do stupid-ass tricks to get laid. Or, I have to be top 3-5% in looks and none of it matters It's all good, and it is the way of all of nature. But, women like to lie and say it's easier than that. It's not.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/20 07:10 PM
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Your other deal breaker is not looking like the guy you have in your head when you made this list. I meet every one of your listed items (except for six pack, but I'm fit enough for you to know I go to the gym). I guarantee you I would have to play a role in front of you (ie be someone I am totally not) to get you to notice me.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/20 06:59 PM
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From what I have seen the average woman wants "Wants?" Wants for what? In what way? As the bare minimum to acknowledge their existence? Sure. This list is not even unreasonable for that meaningless standard. But, it is in no way "the list" of what women actually want a man to be. Women think that men think like they do. Women think that since another woman exists that has a more shapely ass or bigger tits or higher cheek bones or a smaller waist or whatever that the full list represents what men…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/20 06:52 PM
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Not quite. Men are judged on our phenotype, not on our genotype. Typically, these are directly related to one another. But, one can do certain things to make one's perceived phenotype more appealing to the opposite sex. This is one of the reasons that women hate "fake it till you make it," and knowing/hearing about/being cognizant of any man lifting weights. Each of these activities change a man's perceived phenotype, perhaps radically, when compared to his pure genetic makeup. This thwarts the …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/20 06:29 PM
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This wasn't a question of making a bad impression!! This was someone who was very capable of making a good impression. Yet, if he had simply not been fairly aggressive in his romantic intent in that moment he would have been forever relegated to the friendzone by pure fiat. It's not a question of, "Do I like this person?" as a pure reaction. It's much more bizarrely calculated.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/20 09:58 PM
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Relationships are temporary and friendships last forever. The rest of this is just RHEEEEEE! at me correctly parsing your statement. But this particular nugget is great: Most men don't believe this. But, you're right, women do. It's only your turn...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/20 08:55 PM
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Adults have social circles, ties to others, polite acquaintances, and other reasons that mean interactions have to be maintained. Doesn't mean you always have to like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/20 08:50 PM
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Yes, please stay away from poly people. We are SUPER annoying. Wish I could. Unfortunately, I know a lot of them (some for more than 25 years). They are super annoying.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/20 08:48 PM
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All her other comments are in polyamory forums. Nevermind... The only people more annoying than vegans...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/20 08:44 PM
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It’s reasonable to err on the side of caution for sake of survival or our own welfare, Of course it is. I said nothing counter to that. What I said is that it is crazy to pigeonhole a man "friend" or "possible lover" within 10 minutes of meeting him. It is "completely fucking natural," but only for women. It is disordered thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/20 08:42 PM
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And women who respond to people who treat them like sex objects are women who are struggling with self esteem and/or attachment issues. FTFY
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/20 08:40 PM
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I’m positive if he had approached me in a purely platonic way I would have friendzoned in a flash. This was a statement not about any of your old school friends. It was a very precise and specific statement about this guy. It was used to exemplify (i.e. you used the story to amplify and exhibit your general thinking) an attitude you have: That men who approach you in a "purely platonic way," have lost before they have begun. You are not unique in this attitude. Nevertheless, lots of men do not k…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/20 08:39 PM
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I wish this were true. Doesn't work that way with women. They classify you differently based on how you interact with them from the get-go. If you treat a woman like you treat a man you just met, you guarantee that you will never see her naked. That's a chance most men can't take.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/20 08:28 PM
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Can't CYV: 100% correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/20 08:22 PM
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I understand your thinking. A man who is personable, pleasant, fun to be around, or any number of positive qualities must immediately and irrevocably shoot his shot upon meeting you. Otherwise, he can never change his mind about the possibility of pursuing you romantically. This is a perverted way to deal with other human beings. In particular: if you give a girl and ultimatum and she still chooses to be without you then she thinks you’re ugly bud. Sorry. You don't think your SO is ugly, I assum…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/20 08:06 PM
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I said nothing about a woman wanting or not to be near a penis. Treating a person in fundamentally different ways forever based on their first few moments of interaction with you is, to use a technical term, completely fucking nuts.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/20 07:45 PM
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I quickly learned he was super popular with guys and girls. I’m positive if he had approached me in a purely platonic way I would have friendzoned in a flash. It is precisely this kind of behavior (which borders on mental illness) that makes RP essential for men. "Why can't men treat women like human beings?" This is why.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/20 06:01 PM
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We want the guy who makes us feel that certain way TRP 101.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/20 04:23 AM
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Lived this. Will never do it again.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/20 01:45 PM
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This seems destined to be a question that is gonna have a completely bimodal distribution of answers (already happening a couple of dozen responses in). The two answers seem to be 30-50% and essentially none. I'll bet my left nut the "none" camp is made up almost entirely of women under the age of 25 and washed-up hags on their 3rd marriage. The actual answer is >>50%.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/20 02:31 AM
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Most (i.e. > 50% of both genders) people have cheated on a partner at some point in the past. So, good luck if that is your criterion.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 08:48 PM
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He didn't believe them either. This is the primary difference. Men can be piece-of-shit liars just like women. They just don't believe the lies. I'm not sure which is worse (if either is).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/20 05:07 PM
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My last ex cheated on me during lockdown. Instead of profusely apologising - he told me it was because I shouted at my daughter 1.5 years ago, lol. He also said he 'meant' for me to find out, even though I found out through some freakish accident. Did you believe either one of these outlandish lies? Did either of them give you any pause at all, or a moment of, "Do you think...?"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/20 03:54 PM
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Or like, everything I said in the comment that answered his question Sure. Agreed: The fact that the man considers the other woman less attractive, is important bc it makes it more insulting. Answers it perfectly. Also quintessentially narcissistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 10:31 PM
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Why? Simple: female solipsism and narcissism. Pure and simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 09:31 PM
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Even when the partner leaves and cheats, it doesn't mean something is wrong with you, no matter the sex of each party. It just means they didn't love you. Doesn't mean you're unlovable. This is an insane statement. It means precisely all those things! it is a direct statement of your relative worth.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 09:30 PM
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Women have a very highly developed and constantly updated and quantified sense of what men are superior to what other men. As a man, you are constantly being qualitatively and quantitatively compared to a standard that is set by whatever other men she knows.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 09:28 PM
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These "ask women what they find attractive" threads on PPD are the epitome of useless.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 04:54 PM
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Even the majority of men who don’t fit ANY beauty standards don’t want to commit. If you're not an attractive man, you should have to commit to have sex. I find this explicit statement shocking. No one, of course, is entitled to anything. Why are you entitled to commitment?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 05:46 AM
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Men are much more likely to remarry within a year of divorce, Yes. pills insist that women initiated divorce more. Yes. These facts are not at odds. Women branch swing to men who will not commit much of the time. Guys that can go out and find a new chick who will do his laundry and take care of his kids on the weekends asap, Yes. Those men make it a mission to find women who will take on these tasks. Women branch swing to men more attractive than their current mate. Luckily there are many men ou…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/20 11:49 PM
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So, women have always had to be a bit more mercenary and practical in their mate choices by necessity? Yeah, I'll buy that, to an extent. Along those lines, I think the fact that women lie much more facilely about sexual matters stems from similar origins. What other recourse did a woman have before about 60 years ago other than to lie? Lying about attraction, her past, her authentic feelings: all of these things were necessary to keep a roof over her and her offspring's heads.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/20 10:02 PM
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No. The very purpose of my life is to never be settled for (again). Why would it possibly be more favorable because of the background of the woman? Settling (true settling, i.e., knowingly marrying someone you know you will never find attractive) is settling. Period.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/20 04:56 PM
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With the man they left their former husband for? I know dozens and dozens of remarried 30+ yr-old women, and *none of them is with a man they left their first husbands for.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/20 02:59 AM
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waste anymore of my life trying to do the right thing by everyone else or society's standards Huzzah for you. Very much something to be proud of. People who live by their own, personal codes of conduct with no regard for others are wonderful human beings.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/20 02:57 AM
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Do you know a lot of 30+ year-old women who left their husbands and are in committed relationships with the person they left him for? Yeah, me neither...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/20 01:32 AM
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Thank you for saying this. I used to think the fact that I had lots of skills, experiences, and wins in non-professional competitions would be interesting to women. It took me a long time to realize that non-performative "hobbies" (i.e. anything that is not music or other kinds of performing) mean exactly jack and shit to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/20 04:14 AM
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It's no exaggeration at all. Young women and PPD hags refuse to believe that women marry men who they absolutely hold no attraction for. I do not exaggerate in the least when I tell you it is the mode state of >70% of the married couples I know. The only exceptions are women who married attractive men when they were young and bear the insult of these men cheating on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 08:18 PM
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Well, that’s different It's not different inasmuch as this is what people are always actually referring to when they say that women settle. Hypergamy within an LTR is the subject of the RP term of art, "hypergamy."
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 07:28 PM
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"Jock" is label that is fundamentally different from the other two labels. Only people who have decided that sports are "bad" would think otherwise People (including men) often pride themselves on their lack of knowledge, skill, or interest in any given thing they have decided is not "good." For many men, this is sports. For others, it might be knowledge of popular culture, or, conversely, haute culture. This virtue signalling is usually because they simply know nothing or are incapable. I find …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 07:20 PM
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I have tried to argue the guy in my instance wasn't a Chad, but I have been swiftly informed by every man here that he was in fact a Chad, I trust your estimation and lived experience. He was not Chad. So when women fuck men they're in the wrong, and when women want commitment before sex they're also in the wrong? Women should fuck Chad. More importantly, women are gonna fuck Chad. Its a rational thing for women to do. It is not rational for women to believe Chad is gonna commit. Ever. One was a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/20 11:51 PM
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"I want to have a commited relationship with you" was virtually used by the man in nearly every single case. Oh. The women were withholding sex. Sorry, I thought they were fucking Chad. This was just beta-fishing. Got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/20 11:34 PM
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"Blatant and specific," is, ironically, subjective and nonspecific. "I want to have a relationship with you," or, "Let's be exclusive," are clear. "I could see myself with you for a long time," is just flattery. If you are an adult human, it is your fault if you can't understand the difference between these (and things like them).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/20 11:28 PM
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"gee I sure hope he promises commitment as a lie to get me to fuck him then leaves me heartbroken"? This is a ridiculous generalization. How many Chads promise--even implicitly, but clearly!--any sort of commitment in return for sex? Essentially none. The commitment promise is hooeful thinking on the part of the woman, at best, and is post-dump revisionist history at worst. This idea that Chad is out there lying to women left and right is fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/20 10:23 PM
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Haha that's pretty much the nature of litigated divorce though! Indeed. But, exacting a pound of flesh via getting a piece of real property or insisting on selling another has no lasting, 18-year-long effects.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/20 07:11 PM
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Essentially all the divorced men I know who fought for custody of their children were doing it not out of spite against their former wives, but because they were absolutely convinced they had married and had children with a complete psycho bitch who would damage his offspring. If it were pure spite, it would be--as you say--a lot of effort and trouble for relatively little reward.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/20 07:03 PM
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You know, I like a lot of the tenor and even the analysis in I. and II. in OP. More reasoned than a lot of similarly titled posts. I am less enthusiastic abut the conclusions (i.e. I am completely befuddled and amazed that anyone could draw those conclusions from the information provided in I. and II.). Nevertheless, Imma do my usual thing and try--once again--to dispel bullshit about Pareto (in the SMV) and hypergamy. First, hypergamy is an RP term-of-art. As such, it has a precise definition f…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/20 12:25 AM
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Absolutely. There is only one iron-clad rule, however: He must complete this transformation out of the sight of women. He must make it look effortless. If he is perceived to expend effort, his transformation will be deemed "fake" and "superficial."
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 01:40 AM
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Women aren't raised to process the idea of wanting a person exclusively for getting some practical use out of them Please. Women--and tons of women of this sub repeatedly confirm this--only want men who they think would be "useful" for a relationship. Other men (i.e., women who are not viable for their utility) are literally not even noticed. There is no good girl or bad guy when it comes to this interaction. There is only two competing sexual imperatives.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 12:49 AM
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used 2003 Toyota Camry (best value in terms of not really needing to deal with long term BS costs) is around $5k Bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/20 12:30 AM
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You know, I do believe you for the most part. The tail end of millennials and Gen Z got zapped by the Great Recession and today's widening gap between rich and poor. But, I will say that Gen X (my generation) experienced privation at least as bad as these newer generations, with some differences. First, it probably didn't last as long into our 20's. One of the biggest reasons for that is not wage stagnation, per se (young people today put no value on experience, but it's the only thing that gets…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/20 10:11 PM
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Men can be the gatekeepers of commitment, but, more often than not, do not exercise that option. Most AFC's commit to the first woman who they can stand to be around for more than 10 minutes and wants their commitment. Chad is the ultimate arbiter of who will get commitment or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/20 06:13 PM
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Whelp, this is not gonna go well...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/20 05:45 PM
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It is a mantra that gets repeated here over and over: Any time any poster (blue, red, whatever) tries to use any information from OLD to understand sexual dynamics--but, especially, what people might be looking for or doing to find an LTR--they are repeatedly met with, "Normal people don't use OLD. It's just people who are looking for causal sex. And, those people are too <whatever> to get causual sex in the 'normal' way." Pick 10 posts with something about OLD in the title and I'll pay you gold…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/20 05:11 PM
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Nonsense. This is simply not true. Moreover, if you hang out here on PPD enough, all the women will tell you that every person who uses OLD is irreparably damaged and/or degenerate.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/20 04:26 PM
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You gamble on everything if you choose a long-term partner. Could you be utterly fooled about this item? Of course you could. But, the notion that everyone meets people they get in LTRs with totally at random is nonsense. Most people meet people through other people (even in this age of OLD). I know the sexual history of more than 50 women to good enough approximation to make this determination. That's all anybody is talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/20 04:05 PM
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The "latent effect [sic]" is not latent at all. The notion that some men don't care about n-count in women is one of the most durable myths here on PPD. I said this once, and it remains true: Personally, I am quite ambivalent about the effect of a woman's n-count. I can certainly see the pseudoscience and the hypocrisy for what they are. But, I do want to take issue with one motif I see here, time and time again: The idea that men (writ large) don't care and/or never think/talk about it outside …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/20 03:24 PM
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The entire purpose of the post is to posit the usefulness and utility of adding a woman's sexual history to the array of factors that men consider when determining who to commit to (which is, of course, a thing that women do as well). You don't even have to agree with the premise that it does matter. Heck, you don't have to agree with the notion that it should matter! But, the argument is far from moot. You just don't like someone asking the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/20 02:59 PM
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ad ho·mi·nem /ˌad ˈhämənəm/ adjective: (of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/20 02:33 PM
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What happened surely happened. But, the reasons it happened are not because some little girl was manipulated by some Svengali-like 20-something year-old "man."
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 10:18 PM
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Yes but the girls would usually meet men who were 18+. Appreciably older? But, we're told that doesn't happen, i.e. young women aren't attracted to appreciably older men. But, even that doesn't matter much. "Lolita" is fiction, but, like all good fiction has a kernel of truth. 19? 20? These "men" had such vast experience and dark magic that they were able to enthrall and bewitch these young women utterly? BS. You can't support a strategy that specifically teaches men how to manipulate people, an…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 10:13 PM
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What. This happened all the time to girls in high school. No it didn't. What did happen was bad outcome for those girls because they executed a calculus that had too much hope and wishes and confidence in their own abilities in it. But, it was a calculus all the same. Do you comprehend how naive and unaware the average 14-16 year old is? Of course. It's been a while, but I remember being dumb. Girls are dumb at 14-16. Boys are dumb at 14-16. Despite prevailing myth, neither are appreciably less …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 09:24 PM
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bingo
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 09:09 PM
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Sorry, but I do not accept your setup to this as axiomatic: ...unsuspectingly meet a "Chad" or otherwise bad dude as the first man who even offers, and knowing no better, they believe whatever he says, fuck him, get dragged along a manipulate abusive relationship, and end up used and sad and left for the next girl. This almost never actually happens like this, because no one is actually this stupid. So, I can't really answer the rest of the post.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 09:06 PM
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The second one is autistic No argument there. The first one is insulting. Delivered with a bit of a squint and slight lean in, only a crazy person would read that one as an insult. But, yes, women...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 05:13 PM
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Simping: "What is that color in your eyeshadow? It's amazing!" Effective neg: "What the heck kinda color is that around your eye?" Bad neg: "hmmmm... eyeshadow, huh? Eyeshadow makes you look cheap." Compliment-->ambiguous statement-->passive-aggressive insult. It's not rocket science.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 05:03 PM
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their idea of "a good man" is almost entirely based on how they feel, and not an accurate depiction of reality. This is the central point of this post. "Good" means "makes me feel things, and those things are not all bad."
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 02:44 AM
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Fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 10:40 PM
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This is not the place to ask about genuine philanthropy (in the literal meaning of the term, love+humans). There is a lot of general misanthropy, and even not a little sociopathy, on PPD, regardless of the pill color.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 10:34 PM
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I was gonna say (like a couple of others have already) that A and B exhibit a distinction without a difference. But, a closer reading reveals these jewels: experiments with things she may not ultimately want, wants something more solid. This language is the usual from bloopers trying to rationalize riding the carousel, then locking down a schlub. There's this fantasy where the young girl is so unbelievably naive that she can't possibly have any real agency. She's simply carried along on the wave…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 03:04 PM
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By this time, the woman loves you, Nobody--not up the thread, and not you--said anything about this alleged "manipulation" occurring after some magical amount of falling-in-love time. To wit: If you have an aversion to something about a person, you just don't comment on it or get into a relationship with them. Simple. Agreed. To an extent: Maybe 99 things are terrific. But, maybe, that 100th thing is a very aggravating. No reason not to broach the subject if it really seems important. (but, gran…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/20 11:03 PM
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all of them had considerably less relationship (and ostensibly, sexual) experience Jesus, yes! It seems that younger men (and, maybe, delusional young women) do not learn this until somewhat later in life. If a man and woman are fairly evenly matched (i.e. if the woman is equally or somewhat more attractive), the woman in the relationship has had a lot more sex than her partner. I know dozens and dozens of examples of this. [Edit: This happens when people get out of their early 20's; before then…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/20 10:50 PM
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It'd be manipulative though if a guy specifically told you that you're not pretty unless you shave your legs. Really? How is manipulative? It is an expression of an opinion about the woman. Are women so weak-minded that saying something like this compels them to do whatever is said? This picture of women makes them out to be so emotionally fragile that nothing can ever be said about anything. Manipulation would be if a man got somebody else (or some fake somebodies) to suggest the woman shave he…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/20 10:46 PM
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I’ve worked and befriended many immigrants, recent or not. It's probably (not, not probably, it is) more than a little racist for you to assume that only immigrants to the U.S. were the subject of my observations. Geez. I was not thinking about U.S. immigrants at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/20 09:47 PM
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In this modern world? We have so many choices! I do not begrudge you your optimism, but your litany of advantages includes several that--taken together--not much of the human race all enjoy: health, social/physical/occupational mobility, education, lack of physical pain and hardship,... Everyone's obstacles and challenges are their own. You are right to say that US MC or UMC folks should not complain too loudly about their lives, in general. But, that's not most people. That's not even most peop…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/20 09:05 PM
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I am really amazed that you don't immediately recognize that as true. Most humans are not having the time of their lives. Most humans still live lives of quiet desperation.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/20 08:47 PM
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Like hating what you do for a living or your family. I don't really have any bone to pick about this conversation in general, but: I don't think it is crazy to say that the bulk of humanity hates their job. And a good portion of it also hates their families. That's just existence as a human in modernity.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/20 08:44 PM
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If only there was some kind of body of thought that suggested just this to men... Maybe I'll go looking for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/20 03:24 PM
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This is nothing compared to the things men here say. So, yes, it's just a way to slap back. Cool, cool... Apparently pointing out that if men want to be lusted they should probably have some about them to lust... Well, OK. But that's not really what you've said. You've said there is Chad and un-Chad and the latter should shut the fuck up and take the scraps.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/20 02:53 PM
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I don't quite understand OP's apparent all-consuming need to tell men that they should just shut up and learn their place. Is it just a need to exact some kind of revenge for perceived anti-woman sentiment? If so, I guess job done, because it is jarring enough to cause discomfort to be told you are inherently undeserving of being relatively content. Congrats! Women are no longer constrained by the traditional purposes of marriage (i.e. provisioning, protection, etc.). Must men continue to be con…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/20 02:24 PM
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If you Google 'ad hominem examples,' you will find quite a handful of sentences that begin with the clause, "you sound like...". You may or may not find some that include the phrase, "you just posted cringe," but you probably will. I told no hypothetical story. I related my lived experience and the lived experience of literally dozens of men I know. Are you attempting to invalidate my lived experience?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/20 12:43 AM
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<recoils from invisible impact... pulls imaginary arrow from chest...> Oh, how you wound me! adjective: ad hominem (of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/20 12:06 AM
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I've probably asked guys out on 6 different occasions. 2 of them said no. So that's a 33% success rate. <mumble, mumble...aught, aught, carry the aught...> I think you might want to check your calculation there...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 11:59 PM
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Just have some self-respect and go into a relationship knowing your boundaries and expectations. Of course this is reasonable advice. But, it's not really the problem with beta bux... Boundaries and expectations are often easily met by women seeking provisioning early in relationships. They seem relatively enamoured with the man, and are reasonable in almost everything. Indeed, they present an excellent "deal" for the man. Even if a large portion of the implied deal is more-or-less guaranteed se…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 11:58 PM
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When I see people who post here and not post on any other sub, I see religious chanting. Or, you see people with alts only for this sub. You know, like a sane person would use.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 10:12 PM
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My parents were desperately and obviously in love with one another for 40 years. They were separated only by my father's death. My mother worked. My father worked. They had as egalitarian a marriage as was possible in the late 20th century U.S. I'm as red as can be for one reason: empiricism.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 09:08 PM
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Looking at only online daters is exactly the same as looking at only speed daters; they’re both biased samples that can’t be generalized to the whole population of “men and women daters”. It's exactly this I object to. There is no evidence that either of these sub-populations (and all studies depend on sub-populations!) is biased with respect to any particular question around sexual dynamics. None. Lots of PPD denizens like to invoke this notion over and over, nevertheless. Again, I repeat: Ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/20 06:42 PM
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So, /u/princessofdenmark__: would you be excluding speed daters from your completely random sample? I would be interested in hearing the answer to this. and indeed he called for a random sample which would obviously have the potential to include speed daters. It is not obvious at all that either of these was intended.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/20 06:27 PM
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It’s completely biased This is just rhetoric without any basis in evidence. You declare them to be "different" (thereby introducing a bias).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/20 06:25 PM
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speed daters are not representative as they, a, made a payment, b, are likely a bit more desperate than the average subject. This is actually just rhetoric to exclude them from the argument. It is quintessential NTS.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/20 06:24 PM
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This is, of course, the default position of most of the women who post on PPD. I'm glad someone made it explicit.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/20 06:03 PM
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This isn't a No true Scotsman fallacy lol. No, it is. This statement: speed daters aren’t the norm. Is meant to characterize speed-daters as defective. It is intended to define the set of people who don't participate in speed-dating events as "good" (i.e. sane, "normal," representative). That division of pre-selected groups as representative or not is the essence of NTS. Hell, I'll quote Wikipedia on it. The explanation is fairly good: "Rather than denying the counterexample or rejecting the ori…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/20 05:57 PM
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This isn’t a random sample either - speed daters aren’t the norm. Ahhh... the ultimate PPD No True Scotsman. Good to see it made an early appearance here. But, there is a large body of research that says that speed-dating is an excellent proxy for studying initial romantic attraction. E.g., http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.130.3966&rep=rep1&type=pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/20 03:25 PM
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Emotional problems and manipulation. Or, pick any two other words that imply complete lack of agency by the woman. Any two will do...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/20 03:14 PM
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The dozens with cracked eggs or pathologically small or weird eggs are below average. Other cartons--without these defects--are average. Period.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/20 02:37 AM
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Did you actually read the article you linked? Hell, did you read the URL? men find women in their early twenties the most attractive regardless of their age. "Most" attractive is completely different from "attractive." how is this hard to understand?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/20 02:36 AM
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"Average"-looking people is a large swath of human beings. Do you know anybody who rifles through every single of carton of eggs at the supermarket, looking for the one dozen that is not just "average." If you do, do you think this person is sane?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/20 10:09 PM
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Most people in general are average to below average looking,... Of course. This is a tautology. those who are attractive are a minority. Proving (though not precise quantitative terms) OP's statement. You are saying here that an average looking man is, by definition, unattractive. It’s also lie that men find a wide variety of women attractive, when guys say that they are only talking about women between the ages 18-to maybe 30, This is utter horseshit and nowhere near reality. Most women (yes, m…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/20 09:59 PM
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Who the fuck cares what women want in a boyfriend?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/20 09:52 PM
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Unlike a lot of switch-the-gender analogies that get posted on PPD, this one is pretty good. Will any woman say, "I think that only makes good sense. He had his fun with women who could not provide hale and healthy children, but then he found me."? So far, no.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/20 07:09 PM
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So, is OP gonna acknowledge /u/etherael 's complete dismantling of the "sources," or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/20 05:02 PM
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https://media.giphy.com/media/3o84sF21zQYacFcl68/giphy.gif
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/20 10:35 PM
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People lie. Some people lie a lot. Some people lie very little, and some strive to lie not at all. But, the bulk of people lie to some degree. However, in the main, women lie more easily and ubiquitously. This is understandable: What other recourse have most women had throughout history? There is a reason they have always been portrayed as "mysterious" in almost every culture. Lying for women is a self-defense mechanism. Lying is especially effective in this sense for women when it comes to sex.…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/20 09:26 PM
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Though my flair is quite red, I find one of the silliest positions taken by RPers is the notion that women's lives are somehow easier or that their transgressions and limitations are tolerated better by "society." I find that, in reality, women are treated with considerable sexism (often by other women, as well), and that their lives are just as hard--if not harder--than their male peers. You have to be very young or very nutty to think otherwise (and, either will do). Importantly, this simple f…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/20 05:04 AM
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This assumes that women somehow disguise or obscure their relative disgust. That's simply not the case: They are always clear about it. Furthermore, I've always found a good number of them (eg, 3 of my former LTRs) are explicit about it: "You're not nearly as attractive as other men I've been with." "Yeah, to be honest, I've never been very sexually attracted to you." "That's not what our relationship is about." Women desperately want betas to know their place.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/20 07:55 PM
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those slim figure hot women who will eventually cheat on them. All women--thin, fat, ugly, beautiful, whatever--will eventually cheat on any man who does not keep them feeling some way. They figure they're standing on a particular rung on the ladder, all they have to do is move to the next rung, as the view from the current one is getting kinda old.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/20 06:50 PM
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It's a dogwhistle that means, "I want you to fly me to expensive places." PS Just reading the title, I thought this was gonna be about the fact that--if OLD profile pictures are to be believed--every woman in the US over the age of 22 has been to Machu Picchu! Every. Fucking. One.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/20 06:12 PM
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I'd attribute it to some sort of resource guarding. I think I'll continue to look to more complex and nuanced models (e.g. psychoanalysis) to explain human behavior, rather than "explanations" of animal behaviors.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/20 06:04 PM
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"Beneficiary" has little to do with it. The drive to protect your daughter from predatory male sexuality is, necessarily, jealous and covetous. NB I'm not making any sort of claim. I'm just reporting Zizek's take.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/20 05:54 PM
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Urvater as ancient father, right? The archetype? Yeah. And the figure that lives on as the prohibitor of incest, for example. I was charmed that somebody referenced Zizek! I'd love to sit in a room with Slavoj while he read all of PPD. I think it would be... interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/20 05:33 PM
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That piece by Zizek is all about the fact that being a paternal protector is inextricably tied up with the "libidinal" (as Zizek would say). I think it's more like, "you can't have one impulse without the other" (Zizek points to Freud's idea of a "urvater" for this). It's not that a father's "real instincts" are to lock his daughter in the basement. It's that "protecting" your daughter has to have some sort of sexual component.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/20 05:26 PM
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No. First, I certainly realize that I am kinda dependent on them being promiscuous. But, more importantly, this lack of concern of mine is similar to my lack of concern over whether the sky is blue, water is wet, etc. My "hunting grounds," if you will, span a fairly wide swath (though not complete) of socioeconomic classes. I have friends and acquaintances and go to bars, parties, etc. with UMC academics and bussinesspeople, as well as manual laborers, musicians, and burn-outs. Any woman in any …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/20 04:57 PM
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Did she enjoy doing those things with other men and won’t do them with you despite it not being very painful nor her having a major negative trigger towards it....Then you are a beta fag and not turning by her on enough, and she doesnt respect you enough to care about your feelings. You can cry and whine and beg and maybe she will do them with you but she will never respect you and it will dry her up. Because if a woman enjoyed kink before, Why wouldnt she not want to do this anymore, does not m…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/20 04:29 PM
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AWALT can be best explained in Freudian terms, I think. It's just a statement that the sexual aspect of women's id is quite different from the sexual id of men. The interplay of this id with the superego of each of these people will determine what their actual ego is: If the superego is well-developed, their ego will be healthy, "moral," "well-adjusted." If the id dominates, the people will be a bit of train wreck. Men's sexual id is marauding, kinda blind, primal (from our perspective, anyway).…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/20 03:03 AM
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Aside from all the good arguments about just being a decent human that have already been proffered, let me suggest a more cynical reason: the moral high ground is a wonderful, exhilarating place from which to view the world. Being a gentlemen for yourself is richly rewarding, in this way and others.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/20 07:37 PM
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I will never enter into a committed relationship with a woman for the rest of my life. This choice is completely an adaptation of mine to female nature, one I came to rather late in life. I can imagine having some sort of intimate, close relationship with someone I did not (want to) have sex with, but I cannot imagine forging such a relationship with a woman I did want to fuck. Putting myself in that position is far too hazardous (for my mental health). I had several long-term (>2 yrs each; one …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/20 06:29 PM
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I admit this is an overstatement, but in relative terms, I couldn't care less if a women even has a face.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/20 06:12 PM
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Generally as a guy, if she will fuck you, getting her to date you is easier. This has totally been my experience as well. I never quite understand the claim around here on PPD that women fuck lots of men they would never want to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/20 04:24 PM
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The Goodreads reviews of TMM read just like PPD: There is a strong selection effect from women who think/care about sexual strategy. Lots of mentions of, "a few valide points, but..."
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/20 11:26 PM
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(2) all day. If it weren't for women with low self esteem, your AFC would essentially never get laid. Low self esteem is rife among young women. This is not a new phenomenon: It was certainly just as true in the '80's and '90's.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/20 01:54 AM
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Why would you possibly assume that Zuckerberg's and Gates' wives are actually attracted to them just because they aren't 10's themselves? There is no correlation.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 04:15 AM
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This. In spades.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/20 12:28 AM
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No. That is not the implication at all of that statement! The implication is that whenever someone asks for "undeniable" proof of RP (here explicitly, elsewhere implicitly) here, observation after observation is met with, "That's invalid because..." This is exactly what flat-earthers do! It is exactly what anti-vaxxers do! Evidence--even overwhelming evidence--can always be denied.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 04:33 AM
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You cannot use a hard science - involve experiments and calculations measuring opacity of nitrogen in the atmosphere) to argue RP’s point. We are not talking about the same thing, it is obvious. Again, this is not about scientific "fact" at all. My point was about the word, "undeniable." Most importantly, in my metaphor (and, that's all it is), RP is "round earth" and BP is "flat earth."
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 04:27 AM
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Anecdotal stories don't prove universals—which is what TRP claims Every universal either derives from a purely theoretical framework that must agree with all experiments undertaken or is phenomenological, in that it is built up from a series of observations, rather than being posited from another perspective. RP is purely phenomenological in this sense. It posits a framework to make predictions. An particular instance of an observation not conforming to that framework is a problem, but certainly…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 04:25 AM
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Yes, so, that’s not good science. You’re proving my exact point You're ignoring my point. I conceded your point (i.e., it's not good science). My point is that RP cannot be proved scientifically to anybody who will dispute its predictive power. Period. OP asked for an impossibility. would be the reason I also pointed out that I couldn’t see Chicago, either I could easily just say that the opacity of the nitrogen in the atmosphere is so great that you can't see Chicago either. Unless you do the c…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 04:10 AM
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You could (incorrectly) draw the same conclusion if you started noticing and counting everywhere the make and model of the new car you just bought when you hadn't before. Ahhhh.. the blue-pill trope of all RP ideas being the result of a selection effect. It might be the very definition of irony... I've said this before: I've been lucky enough to know women (and men) from almost every conceivable social class, educaitonal background, niche culture, and country on the planet. Rich girls, poor girl…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 04:07 AM
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A flat-earther would "explain" to you that the atmosphere--regardless of the weather--has a finite density and opacity (this little fact is actually true, of course). Absorption along your line-of-sight from the Arch ultimately obscures your view before you can see too far. Therefore, you could not see NY from St. Louis, though the world is flat. It's is trivially easy to "deny." See: The "explanation" starts with something that is, in fact, true. But, just a little excursion into not really hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 04:03 AM
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Yes. It is not science at all. I agree. The standard was "undeniable." People deny science every day with appeals to Bible verses. Science is not undeniable. *edit: bible-->people
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 03:52 AM
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We can't discredit claims about reality with alternative conceivable explanations. Of course you can. mmmm.... epicycles! if you stack up the "evidence" of flat earth against round earth, it's pretty clear which evidence is more compelling, assuming you think rationally on these things. Agreed. The evidence comes from empirical tests. If one model works better (i.e. is more consistently predictive), it's the "right" one. If you learn something else (i.e. make a better or more observations or exp…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 03:51 AM
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Provide any piece of "proof" that the world is round and I can discount it with an anecdote. I.e., it is not "undeniable."
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 03:43 AM
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What undeniable proof is there that the world is not flat? There is none. What we do have is a model of the earth being round that meets every empirical test we can throw at it. It's also predictive: E.g., you can figure out how long a plane ride will take and how to plot the shortest course by using this model. It is useful. Every empirical test I run with respect to the SMP has an outcome that can be predicted by RP. Therefore, it is a useful model.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 03:35 AM
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Every response to this post so far has been one of the following types: Already found the guy attractive, just not really attractive Pure female solipsism -- "It's about how he makes me feel" Is completely unresponsive to OP "No" I'll admit to being surprised at the last one (i.e. the one that is obviously true).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 03:31 AM
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This is a very reasonable take on this. So maybe how they find these guys has changed, Yeah. Maybe. But, I find the notion that it has made it sooo much more efficient for women to find these guys not particularly compelling. It was always pretty damn easy for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/20 03:39 AM
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So what, 3 out of a hundred? 4? How many males do you think girls walk past in an average week of going to school, hanging out with friends, running errands, etc? Women never seem capable of doing this math. I easily and firmly believe almost every woman has been catcalled more than once by the time they reach 13. No argument at all. To your point about how many men they walk past in, say, a month? Potentially thousands, or at least hundreds. For the low end, a handful of catcalls. For the high-…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/20 08:44 PM
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I am obviously not a very physically attractive man. I have myriad measurements (i.e. input from women) to back this assertion up. Nowadays (the past few years), I go to bars and act like a complete asshole. I pick on men smaller and weaker than me. I am loud and obnoxious. I invade personal space. I interrupt people, talk over them, and not-so-subtly insult them. I would never be in the vicinity of me when I do this if I were a rational human being. This behavior is like catnip for women. It al…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/20 06:58 PM
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Exceedingly well put.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/20 06:54 PM
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If you don't believe them, do you assume all women lie about these things? Of course they do. What would it benefit them to tell the truth? What types of women lie the most and what are the signs she's downplaying her number and overall promiscuity? There is no "type" of woman who lies the most. All women lie about sexual activity, preferences, and their inner sexual life. All the time. What types of women do you trust to be sincere? Trust? None. Trust more? Women who meet both of the following …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/20 04:59 PM
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Your little foray into Aristotelian virtue ethics is pure sophistry. A person is obliged at all times to cultivate their virtue. Ah, the sweet embrace of eudaimonia. Maybe--just maybe--other philosophers had other ideas about how to achieve it? Say, Epicurus? Look, be as Platonic as you wish. Your little exposition screams somebody who is within 18 months, one way or another, of having a bachelor's degree with a minor in philosophy. So, you know, there is another Aristotelian idea that you might…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/20 04:50 AM
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Is dating a person a public statement, then? What kind of "endorsement" is it? It either endorses their behavior to them (i.e. the unkind men), or it endorses their behavior to others. Those are the only two choices. You may pick, of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/20 09:47 PM
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How in the world did I end up defending OP... Dating unkind people is a moral endorsement of their treatment of others. This is the apotheosis of BP thinking. What you are saying here is really: Rewarding unkind people is a moral endorsement of their treatment of others. I.e., you view a woman dating a man as a reward, bestowed by her to the guy. It's not a reward. It just is. Women get tingles from unkind men. Some of us have learned to larp as unkind men (no matter how we try to treat people o…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/20 08:31 PM
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Yes. And I'm saying that fact, established by this paper, cannot possibly have any mathematical impact on the partner counts determined in those national sex surveys. And, the paper's authors do not make that claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/20 09:50 PM
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That paper says that 2-3% of the make population of Colorado springs made use of prostitutes over a 3-5 year period. What meaningful effect could that low number of men have on the partner statistics? The answer is essentially none. I'll never understand the prevalence of the opinion among PPD women that most men have visited a prostitute. Most men have never spoken to a prostitute.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/20 08:57 PM
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"Yep, so take what you get and like it!" "Technically" is meaningless here. Women settle for men they would not have given the time of day to when they were both younger. Men settle with women who they have pretty much always found attractive. She may be less attractive post-wall, but they are still attractive enough. It's all about what each party would have done at any time previous.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 09:11 PM
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Right?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 04:30 AM
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OP seems to want to make utility arguments for why being a married man is useful and beneficial. That's simply not the point at all. The toll of knowing that you are a consolation prize and that you are living a lie is simply too great. Moreover, rather than being a consolation, the realization that the lie is--in many cases--the woman lying to herself is perhaps more anguish-inducing. It means that you can never defeat the lie: It is always there and cannot be dispelled by reason or external co…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 04:29 AM
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C'mon. Nobody can ever have "proof." But, I'm talking about the many, many examples of couples I know who look like this: https://imgur.com/a/PwhxwbR I am perfectly willing to die on this hill. The notion that the women are attracted to the husbands is ridiculous on the face of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/20 02:41 PM
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Not being dishonest does not equal laying it all out there. You just don't talk about commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/20 11:16 PM
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TRP pretends they are honest with women Where?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/20 10:58 PM
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Cool. I'm fine with this description. Still fucked.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/20 10:54 PM
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The question was very clear: Do women marry men the are not attracted to? Marry is the verb. Were the women not attracted to the men when they married. Not after a married life together. Women and men age. Who the hell knows what the women thought about the man when they first married. What you can know is what the woman is thinking when she enters a marriage with a man that she is obviously not attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/20 10:52 PM
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Yes, but most of those women are married already. These are women who are remarried to these schlubs because they are safe and secure and boring and provide resources. They can get these men to marry them because they themselves are still attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/20 10:10 PM
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I think men get fat and bald and get boring. Nobody thinks that two people growing old and fat together is what this question is all about. And still women will cut the throat of some opportunistic pretty younger woman for her man. A little dread has remarkable effects... Men get loved, even beta buxx. The problem men attracted to TRP is they want the voracious wild eyed sexual clawing Chad gets. "so shut the fuck up and take what you get, 'cause that's all you deserve..." I refuse to learn my p…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/20 10:08 PM
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80/20 has nothing to do with it, because that "stat" has been butchered beyond recognition here. But, yes, many women --especially those who married later--marry men they are not attracted to. I am 100% convinced of it, as I am surrounded by attractive 30-45 yr old women married to ogres and morbidly obese Kenny Rogers impersonators.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/20 09:02 PM
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I find all the debates, questions, denials, gaslighting, etc. about Chad to be completely disingenuous. If you seriously do not know Chad, you must live under a rock. Chad is rare, but not unique, and is ubiquitous (inasmuch as he is found everywhere). He is so different in almost every way from your AFC that discussing his stats is immaterial. To paraphrase Potter Stewart, you know him when you see him. He is unmistakeable.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/20 07:39 PM
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What kind of women in their 30d attracted to old man? Essentially none. But, if I fix that for you: What kind of women in their 30's will marry an old man? Divorcees with children. Essentially all of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/20 02:47 PM
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I'm old. I am surrounded by married couples are two types (and ONLY two types): couples who married in their early 20's and are still together, and couples made of up of divorcees who have remarried. The latter population is 100% attractive women married to dipshit, fat-ass, small-bussinessman-level-bourgeois-rich-ish men. These women would not have pissed on these men to extinguish them when both parties were in their 20's. In more than one case, the man was explicitly rejected by the woman who…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/20 04:45 AM
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Nobody is gonna like this answer, but: it depends. It depends on the attractiveness, sociability, and apparent lifestyle choices of the woman relative to the man she is ultimately trying to pair off with. If a woman is a barfly of long standing, she will likely try to pair off with a man who is not unfamiliar with the inside of a bar. They both will have relatively large body counts. On the other hand, if a woman is trying to pair off with another engineer in her group at Widgets LLC, the sum of…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 09:36 PM
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This entire response is mostly true (with the exception of the RP editorializing at the end). It is also completely unresponsive to the OP, as it doesn't say a damn thing about whether AF/BB is real. "Needs" does not equal "wants."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 03:13 AM
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Do you have a lot of male friends? I have... hundreds(?) of male friends, and probably a couple of dozen close male friends. I have similar numbers of female friends. Do you have a prickly personality? I certainly don't think so, and I have no reason to believe anybody who knows me thinks so. I enjoy people's company, for the most part, and it doesn't pain me to be sociable. Are you extraordinarily unattractive? "Extraordinarily?" Like, deformed? No. Like, not a physically attractive man? Appare…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 02:32 AM
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Any mastery will help to make you a more interesting and confident person Take away the "confident" and this statement is simply not true. It is a lie to say that it is. In my (now quite long) life, I have played a non-revenue sport at the college and post-grad level, had (and continue to) have a profession that is the popular apotheosis of "smart person," and I have been very successful at it, including having given dozens and dozens of public talks, been a cave diver, and have spent hundreds o…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 02:04 AM
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I'd say you fixed your life, largely through your own force of will. Bravo! That is a remarkable set of achievements, and congratulations on your accomplishments. "Fixing" and "improving," though, seem to me to be somewhat different things. With the exception of the lifting, you dispensed with deleterious things and rectified deficiencies. This is, again, laudable and real. But, improving would be going beyond this. Incidentally, some old TRP philosophy advocated self-improvement as a mean to it…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 05:19 PM
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Explain to me what "improving" oneself for oneself means. You want to: improve things like my assertiveness, outgoingness and confidence for myself Why? Other than to attract women, the only reason to "improve" these facets of yourself is to acquire more resources. Beyond the resources you need to live, why acquire more resources? Ans: to get pussy. Getting "fit" to extend your life and function is fine, but "fit" for TRP (and that used to be what was discussed here) is lifting weights to achiev…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 05:02 PM
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This post is truly horrible on several levels.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 04:53 PM
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Some of the handful of men who envisioned and meta-planned Technological-Innovation-X (take your pick) who were heterosexual were all motivated--in that particular pursuit only--by wanting to produce something useful to humanity in some part. Many of them just wanted to make money to get pussy, though. The whole rest of their lives beyond Technological-Innovation-X was all about getting pussy and/or money (and, therefore, pussy). All of the men who actually manually put together, shipped, sold, …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/20 09:44 PM
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"Athletic cut" dress shirts are a necessity. Most dress shirts have a 6 inch delta between chest and waist. If you have a 48-50" chest, that translates to a 42-44" waist! Athletic cut usually ups that delta to 8-10". I have gone to all ath cut shirts and suits.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 02:04 PM
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Women have to have their attention arrested to acknowledge a man's presence. That's what they're really talking about. "Looksmaxing" for men has to remarkable in some way. "Higher attractiveness" is not really what is required. Rather, a man either has to: be so attractive (i.e. top 5% or so) that every human notes their attractiveness, or be so distinctive in their appearance that no one can ignore them. Even being really ugly will get you the second, but the advantage is immediately negated by…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 04:41 AM
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but that’s because there are barely any police where I am and everyone does it, not because I am a woman lol. I (as a man) would get a ticket. Every time. It's just another kind of privilege... Too many of them don’t view black and brown people as real people. Amen.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 04:31 AM
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I think a lot of people would agree with the notion that the amount of money a person has is not a fair or accurate representation of their worth as a human being. Having expertise in something, i.e. having contributed something to human knowledge, is no longer considered valuable. So, what does a man have left to measure value? One thing: his phenotype. Is he a good candidate to provide genetic material for a future generation? If he is deemed valuable in this sense, he will have a lot of sex. …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 03:13 AM
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Women are interrupted when speaking 3x more than men. Women are condescended to more frequently than men. If I go to the mechanic by myself they try to charge me 3x what they charge my father, brother and former partners because they think I’m a woman and I don’t know the first thing about cars. Just to set the context, I agree with all of these observations. They are all true. But, please tell me you are being truthful when you say: occasionally I’ll get a lecture about how women like me think …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 03:08 AM
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I mean that women actively, consciously lie about what they find attractive. I used to think they just fooled themselves. I now know they are attempting to fool everyone else, while being perfectly aware of what they are actually attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 05:00 AM
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Before frequenting PPD, I thought most women simply did not know or reflect on what they found attractive and/or the lies they told to get what they wanted/needed. I have been disabused of that notion. This has, actually, moderated my misogyny. It's a rational choice for most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/20 03:57 AM
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Total troll, but a very intelligent and entertaining one. I like /u/gaylord_fag.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/20 03:54 AM
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Attractive men actually live the existence most women think "men" in general live. In short, they are more free than the bulk of men. They may come from varied socioeconomic backgrounds, have various dreams and desires for their lives, and have any number of the same problems and obstacles faced by other men. But, they are truly free to do with their lives whatever they want, constrained only by their raw talent and willingness to produce effort. AFC's are always constrained by their own frustra…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/20 03:52 AM
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If you lack self-confidence it's not a bad idea to fake it anyway. TRP 101
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/20 06:23 PM
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I feel bad for the girls who stay virgins just to get an old betabux anyway. Well, these women don't actually exist. They never have.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 09:26 PM
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Best of luck (I really mean that, BTW). If you did find an old, established guy who wants to be cucked, I'd say you maximized your slant on the female imperative. I also think your slant is honest, so I applaud it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 09:22 PM
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Some women aren't shopping for resources. They don't strike this deal. Other women need (or, think they need, but that's their evaluation to make) resources -- money, security, social standing, etc. They strike this deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 09:15 PM
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What's required? Commitment and resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 09:10 PM
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Just saw this edit. I wish men would drop their imperative in favor of the female imperative. Yep. Me too. Just the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 06:16 PM
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but most women don’t want to settle with someone they’re not attracted to Of course, but most women do want to finally settle with someone. I don't want to settle for the car I drive, but I don't have a choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 05:56 PM
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but on FDS they’re still selecting for attractive men firstly. Perhaps. But, though we could argue about whether the Wall is real or not all day, there are tons of 32-38-yr-old divorcees out here throwing themselves at some ugly fuckers every day (source: being one of those ugly fuckers). They are fishing for husbands. So, I disagree that the targets don't change. The ideal target might not change, but the things that get fired on sure do.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 05:50 PM
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I've said it before: I love FDS. There is no a lie in FDS. It's what women with experience really think. Women (especially on this sub) generally call "learning from their mistakes," "changing their preferences." It's nothing of the sort! The preferences are the same. What you have to deal with and how is what changes. just better at negotiating the quid pro quo she wants I will say that my whole modus operandi here in my RP-inspired near-dotage is to cheat this. Cheating this strategy is not ea…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 05:41 PM
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but women go into casual sex believing the quid pro quo is sex for commitment Indeed. This is as grossly unrealistic and silly as men who claim they bought a Disney prince-princess narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 05:33 PM
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Your value is lower than the value of the other men in her past, that’s why you perceive you have to “pay more”. I like this analogy. Sounds perfectly reasonable. Who could argue with the logic? Here's the thing: This analogy--or its actual intent and/or meaning--is never actually proffered. Rather, women (yes, I mean AWALT, but here I mean especially women on PPD) claim that their previous quid pro quo with Chad was not a rational exchange, but, rather, was her being young/stupid/inexperienced/…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 05:21 PM
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I know many representatives of basically two populations of people: people who have been married to one spouse for a while people who are divorced and remarried (I do know pretty-much perpetually single people and people who are variations on all these themes as well, but couples I know are mostly in the two buckets above. This is because I am older). The married-to-original-spouse folks are overwhelmingly less attractive woman with a more attractive man. The rest of the couples in this group ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 05:16 PM
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Again, I commented on the automod because I wasn’t debating the study, I couldn’t care less about it. So, yes, you just wanted to call the OP a liar. Cool, cool.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 03:39 PM
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You attacked a particular part of the OP that you thought would prove the OP a liar. It turns out that the validity of the claim that they emailed the author is utterly immaterial to the content of the post. You seem now to admit that, and say you didn't care about the validity of the claim to start with. So, you just wanted to call a random internet stranger a liar for no reason whatsoever?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 03:20 PM
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OP has provided you with a PNG of the referenced figure. Here's the URL for the published paper: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/jomf.12072 It's behind a paywall, but essentially anybody with a university email account can get access. It is very easy to compare the March 4, 2014 version on PubMed to the published version (on April 4, 2014) and see they are different. Furthermore, the PNG posted by OP is precisely the version of Figure 5 in the published version. [It took me less …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 03:07 PM
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OP has provided you with a PNG of the referenced figure. Here's the URL for the published paper: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/jomf.12072 It's behind a paywall, but essentially anybody with a university email account can get access. It is very easy to compare the March 4, 2014 version on PubMed to the published version (on April 4, 2014) and see they are different. Furthermore, the PNG posted by OP is precisely the version of Figure 5 in the published version. [It took me less …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 03:07 PM
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A form of this question comes up a lot on PPD. I am always happy to say (because it is 100% true) that if it weren't for the incentive of sex with women I would not strive at anything. I sure as hell wouldn't do my current job, even though it is not a widget-making career. I would groom myself only to a standard that allowed me to stand my own stink, nothing more. I would give my aging joints a break from all the weight training. Almost everything that gives me whatever societal standing I have …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 02:06 AM
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Though you could argue a handful of the specifics in OPs history of TRP, it's a pretty accurate picture, all in all.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 10:16 PM
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No, I didn't tell her to keep it. She just did.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 01:29 PM
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Well, it is me. I was certainly not oblivious: I knew she married me because she wanted to be married. Admittedly, I didn't expect her to say it directly to me when I called her out for flashing digits to some random dude. But I just thought women settled and it would be ok. If I had asked her (or, hell, at the time, I could have told her) to take my name, she would have. But, I didn't give two shits if she did or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 05:31 AM
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I try to be self-aware. Indeed, knowing what I can live with and what I cannot live with is a major reason I am red.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 05:19 AM
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Seems surface level but it's deeper subconsciously. Horseshit. It's meaningless tradition.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 03:09 AM
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If you rely on superficial shit like a name change to give you clues about how much a woman is attracted to you, you're gonna have a bad time.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 02:54 AM
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She's my ex-wife because she was never actually attracted to me and I had no idea, nor did I have tools available to change that. In retrospect, I'm glad she didn't take my name. I know a lot of divorcees who have retained their married name out of convenience.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 02:49 AM
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My ex-wife kept her maiden name. Could not have cared less.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 02:02 AM
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From multiple personal experiences and observations once girls genuinely love a guy they follow their own advice. They don't "follow their own advice." What you are seeing is that women do delude themselves about their attraction to men they think they can get to commit. The only problem is that delusion is not durable. It is never durable. It will always fail, sometimes sooner, sometimes later. And, when it does, she will branch-swing. Not passing shit tests, not instilling some reasonable amou…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/20 01:13 AM
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This is the weirdest gay fanfic I have ever read.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/20 04:06 PM
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"ungrateful" ... Ok
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/20 04:52 PM
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I would have said she married her looksmatch. But, you say she didn't. Ok. Which is it- did she make a mistake or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/20 04:30 PM
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How can you argue with this? You said it yourself: she made a shitty choice. Ugly dude, not richer than her, and he cheated on her. She fucked up. She obviously has poor judgement.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/20 04:25 PM
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I'm very confused.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/20 04:18 AM
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87% chance she's the fat one? She's always the fat one.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/20 01:10 AM
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Good luck, and way to go!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/20 01:47 AM
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You're an MD and don't use a computer? Very reassuring.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/20 01:26 AM
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I think I am solid 4.99. Just below average. How would I take my attractiveness into account when rating others? Jealousy? Some weird normalization?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 12:21 AM
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Yowza!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/20 05:13 PM
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I imagined you with a mustache.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/20 05:26 AM
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This is quality content.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/20 09:46 PM
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Farscape!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/20 02:41 AM
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"I don't know what happened. I just fell on his dick. Musta slipped."
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 03:16 AM
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This is just the standard difference for men and women who are roughly the same age and roughly the same everything else (class, looks, interests backgrounds). Yes, if you are late 20's, this is what you should expect. Going forward, any woman you think is about "your level" and/or "a good match" will be >2x your body count, just like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/20 03:13 AM
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Unintentional meaning that she was suddenly heavily seduced and/or swayed into dumping the old for the new. How the actual fuck is this "unintentional"?? This is completely intentional. However, it is not "calculated." Nobody (well, no non-crazy person) thinks that women do a cool calculation before branch-swinging. Branch-swinging always (according to the woman's retelling) "just happens" to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/20 11:48 PM
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I'm part of that casual sex market as a swinger. Ahem. Nevermind. I feel like an idiot. I'll chalk it up to something to make myself feel better about the wasted typing. I shoulda known...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 05:23 PM
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For SMV, particularly? Level of education does absolutely nothing for either men or women. My level of education (as evidenced by a qualification, at least) is as high as you can have in the modern world. It makes no difference in my SMV. At all. Furthermore, the particulars of my education are generally considered engaging if you asked a random survey of people about fields they find interesting. And, I'm engaged all the time (~20/yr.) in communicating interesting things about my field to the p…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 04:42 PM
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20% might even be slightly generous. Nonsense. "Interested" as in "always interested," or "interested" as in, "is interested in at some point for a period of time"? To be sure, the population of men looking for casual sex at any instant is higher than the population of interested women in any given place. But, a 5-1 ratio is waaaayy too high for any environment where casual sex has any chance of happening. If 100 men are after 20 women, they can't cry when 80% of them don't get any. Yes, well, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 04:28 PM
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The 80/20 of Pareto is completely incidental to the 80:20 of female attention distribution, Well, OK, but only inasmuch as the first actually exists and the second doesn't. Pareto is observed in all situations where scarce resources are desired by multiple entities. Who in the hell thinks that female attraction is 80-20? It's obviously far more restrictive than that! Anybody with eyes and ears can tell that. Indeed, it is restrictive essentially without bound! In any situation, there are only 1-…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 04:20 PM
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I think, she is probably worst example you could give I think, for precisely the reasons you cite, she may well be the best example that could be proffered.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 01:54 PM
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Wrong. I love the OKCupid study. Despite all the silly complaints about it, it's completely reasonable as a social interaction study. But, it says exactly jack and shit about Pareto. Please find me anywhere in the results of the study where a Pareto-like distribution obtains. It's not there. There's plenty of evidence that women find most men not attractive, but nothing about Pareto.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 01:38 PM
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I "believe in it" inasmuch as it must be true. I am certainly not part of that 20%, but I am trying mightily to be. Edit: To be clear, again, 80 and 20 in the expression 80/20 are not two parts of the same population. 80 is 80% of the total volume of casual sex. 20 is 20% of men trying to have that casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 04:53 AM
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Okay, cool, please apply this argumentative zeal to all the incel brethern I see around here throwing around 80/20 for the reason they are permavirgs. You are 100% correct. I try every 5th time or so this comes up. why wouldn't that apply to women? The casual sex scene is mostly a self-contained thing which occasionally sucks in a rando. I might disagree a little with that particular characterization, but not too strenuously. I think it's just that it is (as you suggest) a contained population. …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 03:36 AM
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Who said anything about the "top men."? I specifically said it's not about who the top men are. Jeez. If you think it also applies to women, you are deluded. Also: It's not a power law. It's Poisson.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 02:43 AM
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Pareto is found to obtain anywhere there is a limited commodity and more people who want that commodity than can be accommodated by the supply. There is zero reason to think the casual sex market is different.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 02:04 AM
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Problem with this formulation is it's based on the derp assumption that casual sex is always preferable. No, it isn't. That assumption is nowhere in evidence. The only assumptions necessary for this to obtain are: some men go looking for casual sex some women go looking for casual sex, at least sometimes women are the selectors for which men will have casual sex. That's it. That's all you need. It has nothing to do with what the bulk of attractive man want or do. There is a population of men who…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 01:37 AM
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No. Women are the commodity in the casual sex market. They are--to borrow from the original Pareto observation--the land. Men are the landowners, ie they want the commodity that is in limited supply. They are fundamentally different.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 01:20 AM
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Granted. The double negative is always bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 11:38 PM
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considering a 25 year old woman with an N count of 30 is 98th percentile. I’ve been with a lot of women with N counts below 10. I just said this.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 11:36 PM
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Indeed. Good for her...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 11:29 PM
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There are not so many women with n-counts not in the range 3-30. At least, not among women older than, say, 25. You're left with virgins or a woman with an n-count >30. Likely, >>30. So, I'll stand by my assertion.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 11:28 PM
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Best story about this particular girl: She fucked a literal male model (i.e. this person got paid to wear clothes and have pictures taken of him and appeared in magazines) in the janitor's closet at the ice cream shop where she worked. While she was on the clock. She was the closest thing to a spherical cow I have ever known.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 11:25 PM
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I'm going to guess you have a very high n-count, as it is unlikely someone with a low one would respond to this. Terrific: You and the handful of your brethren are why every woman has a higher n-count than her rough counterpart. Can you imagine settling down with a low n-count woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 11:23 PM
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No. Women are hypergamous (NB here I mean the TRP sidebar definition of hypergamy, not some made up crap about, "everybody wants the best they can get."). Edit: typo
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 11:20 PM
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I have fucked a woman who looked like a ginger hobbit.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 11:17 PM
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For the trillionth time: The "80/20" (Pareto) rule is about what fraction of men are having what fraction of all the casual sex. I.e., 20% of men have 80% of all the casual sex had by men. It is not about what fraction of men women find attractive at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 11:16 PM
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No doubt that a woman's n count will be significantly higher than a man's, though. This is the answer here. Completely. If you meet a woman at any point in your life and it seems like you might be a reasonable match--you have similar interests, temperaments, backgrounds, motivations, etc--she will always (almost, but like really close to always) have a higher n-count. For a lot of people, spanning the working class to UMC, this is due to (1) women not having long dry spells (compared to the long…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 09:46 PM
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To be fair to your point: I think sluts are actually distributed at the top and bottom of the Bell curve. The really smart and the really dumb. The vast middle have to have something else going on (e.g. daddy issues).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 03:37 AM
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I'm tellin' ya: I know women who are professors at top-flight universities, who are high-powered lawyers and chefs, and novelists who actually make an excellent living at it. All of these women were known (when we were in college and grad school together) as complete sluts. To everyone. One of them fucked me for a Big Mac!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 03:33 AM
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Q - the more openly promiscuous a chick is, the lower the IQ. No fucking way. The smartest women I have ever known have been top-flight sluts.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 03:30 AM
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This is a great response.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 03:29 AM
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If you have friends pushing you to get married, then yes, they want you to feel like them. They are always, at least, dissatisfied with their married life if they are pushing someone else. People hate inequity--they hate seeing someone else having it better than them when they consider that other not deserving (cf. threads with incels hating attractive people and American racists protesting social programs). Your married friends think you are, "getting away with something." Your family members j…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 03:51 AM
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Are TRP men cool with being spun as plates? I have no choice. So, yes. And are y’all diligent about using condoms? Yes. Why? See my answer just above (and, I'm not gonna be a daddy)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 03:32 AM
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You do have an excellent list of really stupid things here. Brava!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 04:48 PM
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Meh. The "push-pull" crap with the woman is just extra. It doesn't seem to matter all that much, and, as you say, who could possibly keep it up for a long time. I get the feeling that you are mostly talking about this. You are right to decry it, but it's not nearly so dark as you imagine it. No, the real useful thing is the AMOGing, as /u/SerpentCypher points out. I am older, but I came to this behavior quite late in life (well after college). This behavior on my part is utterly reprehensible, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 02:12 PM
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and caused me to be head over heels stupid in love. There's the answer. If you aren't that and you aren't getting laid, sticking around is the utmost stupidity for a man. Yes, yes, I know: men do it all the time. They are stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 03:17 AM
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I never do this to men I consider friends! I wouldn't expect them to be my friends anymore. No, I am a full-blown asshole. Taking drinks, belittling, the whole nine yards. I am big enough to get away with this. But, as I've said before it's likely that, at some point, I'll get my ass kicked.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 03:12 AM
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You've described what you think of as two extremes of behavior, and imply that you've "spanned the space" of all possible male strategies. While it's hard to argue that these two extremes exist, they don't do a very good job of actually explaining or characterizing the experience of most men (specifically, the men here on PPD). Rather, these extremes are caricatures of men, viewed through the eyes of a woman. They are obviously two-dimensional, at best. Now, I could just chalk this up to female …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 12:27 AM
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There's a toughening process that happens with rejection. Absolutely. One becomes inured to it after a while. Anyone who has done a sales job can relate Selling yourself and selling some good are fundamentally different. They need to push through that. Agreed. It is the only way. But women won't tell them that so men have to. Also, yes. But, what's even worse is women (like our intrepid /u/Willow-girl here) who tell them it's no big deal and if they are sickened and damaged by it, they are just …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 04:42 PM
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Though I agree with your explicit advice, of course, this: Is this really so devastating? Being cold approached is described on a daily basis, by multiple women on this sub, as one of the worst things that happens in their day-to-day existence. So, yeah, being told that your phenotype has been evaluated and immediately found wanting by someone who will register that interaction as far worse than just 30 wasted seconds in her day is pretty fucking devastating. Nevertheless, as you say, men have t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 03:37 PM
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when women in healthy relationships This is a common trope I see here on PPD. This is not healthy in any sense! Whatever you want to believe about the relative libidos of men and women, the notion that a woman just can't look at another man as a sexual being if she is in a relationship describes mental illness. It's also just flat-out dangerous from the male point of view. The idea that if I'm in a relationship with a woman, my appeal to her at any given point depends wholly on whether she is en…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 04:48 AM
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Is it possible for a man to be in a great relationship Yes. and still not want other women? No. But that doesn't mean he will cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 04:07 AM
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You can speak to the woman in your life of your hopes, but not your fears. Never, ever about your fears. It will disgust her.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 09:45 PM
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Most men can only get sex in the context of relationships. Being utterly dependent on a particular social structure always breeds a measure of contempt in the dependents. (And, often, a certain measure of entitlement.) That's the source of a lot of men's relative disdain for relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 05:09 PM
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My bio on any dating app is always the same: 6'2". That's it. That's all I ever put (if I write anything). Has zero effect. I've run the experiment.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 05:06 PM
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Congratulations! You look to be the first person on this thread to use the word "insecure"! You win! (Narrator: He didn't really mean it...)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 02:44 AM
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I like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 02:22 AM
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I think there is a lot of weird virtue signaling in many of these answers. I am an accomplished man. I have a lot of money in the bank. I have family and friends that love me, and I love them. I have done things that people find important, and I find those things fulfilling and I will be happy about them on my deathbed. In my little niche of the world, I am well-known and admired. My self-worth is almost wholly tied up in whether or not women find me sexually attractive. Period. Always has been.…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 02:41 PM
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I'm in my very-late 40's and have been married. Love of family and friends, the joy of helping to ameliorate the suffering of others (and, indeed, feeling real empathy for others), the sense of accomplishment that comes with contributing to the advance of human knowledge, and the marvelous feeling of helping young people achieve their dreams are all things that I have been very glad and grateful to experience in my life. They are wonderful. It's still all about pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 04:00 PM
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Get a hobby? Why? To distract myself from the most important thing in my life (i.e. getting laid)? To join a subculture or to have skills that might...make me attractive to women (pro tip: This doesn't work for any hobby unless it is music or daredevil shit--performative stuff)? To have a way to fill the empty hours and fashion a replacement form of fulfillment? Sure. Alas, it all comes back to pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 03:50 PM
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No, I lucked out and he’s a hottie. Fer Christ's sake! If you aren't attracted to looks, why would this classification even occur to you? It couldn't and wouldn't. Like every human, you are attracted to looks, despite your earlier, silly protestations to the contrary. No. You did not luck out in that he is a "hottie"! You selected him in the first place because he was a hottie and (as you have obviously confirmed my earlier speculation here) was malleable. He's grown and "come into his own," huh…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 03:46 PM
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Do you not acknowledge the mental toll this mindset can bring? I will. It is exhausting at times. But... Is getting laid so important to you... Yes. It is.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 03:41 PM
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I am attracted to confidence, kindness, intelligence, humor, You do realize that, especially, confidence, intelligence, and humor (along with superficial--cause that's all women really care about-- indicators of kindness) are very much part of the RP canon of what is attractive to women. They are as integral and important as physical looks and wealth in the whole picture being for and against here. They are--explicitly--parts of "any of that." Does your husband look like a troll?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 03:32 PM
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I do see myself above the fray and do think I have a better understanding of what leads to happiness. Everybody here (except the incels) thinks they have a "better" understanding of what leads to happiness. It is remarkably narcissistic for someone to post here when they consider themselves "above the fray." Indeed, you posted: You are in the shit now. You are--by definition--not above the fray anymore. I exist. There are other women like me. My husband exists. Of course. Things and people of ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 03:24 PM
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I’ve only ever dated/been intimate with two people (and one is my husband) This is a very careful and specific construction on your part. I do not believe that the connotation most PPD'ers would take from it represents reality. It seems to be a rhetorical device to place yourself "above the fray." In short: How many different penises have you had inside any orifice of your body? I do not believe the real answer is 2.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 03:06 PM
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If I thought I could get them to fall for me, yes. It would be very viscerally pleasing to dump their ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 06:04 PM
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This right here. Matches my experience to a T.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 07:04 PM
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Men, do you view a woman not being attracted to you/sexually interested as blatantly insulting? Yes. Because it is. It is a direct statement of my perceived worth. Of course, part of any rejection could be time/place/circumstance. However, ultimately, that doesn't help. It's still, "You suck."
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/20 11:38 PM
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believe themselves to be the best But, that's complete nonsense. They may well believe that, but it's obviously not true! For many men, this idea is not crippling. They can function just fine, and accept the reality. But, the notion that men don't care about the sexual history of the women in their life is a myth that gets perpetuated because lots of women are shielded from it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/20 05:40 PM
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I think it's fair to point out that not all men feel this way. This is a myth. Many men will never admit (especially to a woman!) that they feel this way. And many men can put these feelings to the side. But,all men feel this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/20 04:16 PM
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No one’s fully mature in their 20s. Never trust someone who doesnt change within those 10 years. I did some very stupid things in my 20's. These things were impulsive and short-sighted and, for various reasons, ultimately very badly conceived. I would not do those things again if I were given the chance. But, not because I don't desperately want to do those things again. This is because, back in my 20's, I found these things fun and they tickled the reward center of my brain. Now, hurtling towar…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/20 03:24 PM
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All the examples are just off enough... If that person is in any way, shape or form superior (even if the woman is superior in a different way) it’s an example of hypergamy That's not using hypergamy as the TRP term-of-art. If that person is in any way, shape or form inferior, he is her BB and she is not sexually attracted to him. Inferior to whom? Her? Then, no. To the alpha that broke her? Then, yes. If they start having bedroom difficulties, If they always have "bedroom difficulties"... If a …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/20 02:36 AM
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I would hope folks would learn the lesson that we are all in this together and you do have a responsibility to your fellow human. I would hope so, but I have to say I have seen very limited indications of this. Also: I'm usually very optimistic about young people. I always say that all the good things about the Millennials they did themselves, and all the bad things were done to them. But, Jesus, Gen Z is a bucket of shit, and this pandemic is making that apparent.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/20 03:22 AM
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Man hands and underarm hair.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/20 07:14 PM
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Why cant they feel validation in what you’re good at? Or find a hobby to get good at? Or worry about getting a career you enjoy? Or volunteering in a good cause? All of these are relatively easy to achieve. The primary reason any man does any of this is to get women. But, as you point out... With sex, you’re judge mainly on good looks, charming, big dick energy, actual dick size, and sex performance. Alot of these things someone has to have naturally or through alot of hard work Rather than a li…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 03:50 PM
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A lifetime is a long time...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 04:47 AM
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I like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 01:37 AM
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EDIT: added first quote The percentage still doubled. It's inconsequential nevertheless. But it’s got to be way higher for 25-35 year olds now. I think it is, yes. But, doesn't that mean that those people are in "mature" relationships, wherein cheating would still be destructive? Isn’t the average age for kids to move out of their parents’ house 28 now anyway? Indeed. So, adulthood is simply delayed.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 01:37 AM
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Most (more than 50%) people have cheated at least once in their life in the context of an LTR or marriage (i.e. not in every LTR, but in at least one). Yes, existing and having relationships is a fraught business.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 01:32 AM
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30 years ago, premarital cohabitation was much more rare than it is today. Cohabitation among 19-24 yr olds was ~5% in 1994. It's about 10% today. 30 years ago - and the decades leading up to that, which would have been counted in that survey - featured people getting married at a very young age. Their marriage “careers” were 40 - 50 years long. That’s a much larger window for people to commit adultery. The average age of first marriage in 1994 was a little less than two years less than it is to…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 01:26 AM
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PPD survey bingo: Fill in a square every time someone says-- "Those data are from the last century!" "All people lie on surveys!" "That was not a representative sample!" "<random complaint>" The link with the 70% claim was authored by Andrew mother-fucking Greeley, one of the most famous sociologists of the 20th century, faculty member at NORC, and a priest! Not one to make outrageous claims, especially concerning the sanctity of marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 01:10 AM
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People cheat. A lot. You can find any number of surveys to say whatever you want, but this collection of several seems reasonable: https://hernorm.com/infidelity-statistics/ Despite cries to the contrary here, "TRP guys," are not attracted to broken women. They are just attracted to women. Also: The word is 'tenet.'
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 12:21 AM
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I ceded that you were essentially correct in my very first reply. But, you think you're right because all these men are broken and silly and just think women are sub-human (aren't they sad?). The truth is that you are mostly right because that's the way the Universe is (though you really don't want to admit it).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 01:08 AM
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find relationships too much work So, can we put aside the 17-yr-olds who don't actually want to leave the couch to go on a date for a sec? If we do that, why would men find relationships too much work and not want to date? Because: Relationships are too much work for men. Having to always perform is exhausting. Plenty of men have enough experience to have learned that always being "on" and actively doing things like push/pull is the only way to keep a woman interested in having sex with you. How…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 01:01 AM
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I know you are mostly talking about incel mumblings and hate. I'm saying that step out of that miasma and you still end up with no connection.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 12:49 AM
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The problem is red pill become co-opted by incel narratives. Here. Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 12:47 AM
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I think they don't because for most dudes here the only connection they want is sex. Ya know, this is hard to argue against. But, I will try to suggest a slightly more nuanced position. Having a deep connection with a mate is something to be desired. Only the most pedantic, bitter (and, frankly, youngest and least experienced) red-flaired poster here would argue against it. But, having a fulfilling sexual existence is so important that it trumps everything else. It may not be a "need," like air …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/20 12:45 AM
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Women aren't the ones who formed an entire community teaching men how to deceive and manipulate women Indeed. Women didn't need to. This is because every single thing in the socialization of every woman from the time they are little girls is about teaching them, showing them, demonstrating the power of, and inculcating in them the notion that lying to and manipulating men is the only reasonable thing for them to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/20 08:41 PM
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Nailed it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/20 01:29 AM
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100% yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 10:29 PM
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This is a great response. Never ascribe to malevolence what can easier be ascribed to boredom/indifference/inertia/etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 08:49 PM
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And I reckon it's by and large an act on your part? It is reprehensible behavior on my part, and I hate myself for doing it. But, it gets my dick wet. So it isn't limited to the young and confused. You do have to calibrate your push/pull and general fake shows of dominance to the audience: You can't just bellow like a rhino in a bar and expect an UMC woman to respond. But, the social interactions are, at base, all the same. One of the most ridiculous things you hear on this sub over and over is …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 08:46 PM
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These are fair questions. Was your treatment of women the only thing you changed? In general, I would say yes. I got older, but not any fitter. (I have lifted weights consistently for more than 30 years now). I suppose you could argue that it was also partially my treatment of other men, but only superficially: I belittle smaller men when I am around women. The women love it. This particular feedback does little to ameliorate my misogyny, BTW. Is it conceivable that only young/confused women fal…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 07:18 PM
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They are with them for some measure of companionship and social proof. And an extra income. Period.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 03:20 PM
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Your "reasons" are this bizarre mix of technically true, but not germane to your point : they've had sex with more men, so more chance of them having slept with alphas/hot men and thus they believe this is their level Yes, this is true. But, "believing this is their level," doesn't help in any practical sense. If they want an LTR (and they overwhelmingly want an LTR!), they can't get this "level." many of them have advanced in their careers to earn decent money, so they expect men to have done t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 03:05 AM
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This. Exactly this description is the mode of most married couples I know! How in the heck do people not see this!?!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/20 03:58 PM
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They ask if their dick is enough and I always say yes. Just as a point of clarification: you tell them that their dick is enough? Or, you tell them it is not enough?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/20 03:51 PM
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This.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/20 02:01 AM
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I think you could (almost) interpret the numbers that way, but I took the construction to mean that they had asked a pre-binned question: 1-2 (or 'less than five'), 5-10, 10-20, 20 or more. This has the kind of almost semi-log feel someone formulating a questionnaire would emply to capture a Poisson-like distribution. Or, they asked it open-ended and binned after the fact. But, yes, I admit that maybe the 5% and the 12% are fully overlapped. Not the quarter and the 5%, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/20 02:01 AM
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39+25+5+12 = 81% It helps to be able to do integer arithmetic if you want to argue quantitatively. 81% is most women! You said: MOST WOMAN DON'T HAVE CASUAL SEX. Ever. Never. None. Zero. Zilch. That statement is in direct opposition to the findings of this study. In stark opposition! You now say: Finding a woman who Regularly has NSA sex is RARE That is the epitome of moving the goalposts (and, doesn't actually seem to be true, either).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/20 09:23 PM
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MOST WOMAN DON'T HAVE CASUAL SEX. Ever. Never. None. Zero. Zilch. Bullshit. http://www.lifestyles.com/article/study-looks-into-the-matter-of-women-and-casual-sex/ https://www.apa.org/monitor/2013/02/ce-corner https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3613286/
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/20 08:55 PM
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There are effectively no women over the age of 30 who are (a) single, (b) roughly human-looking, and (c) didn't adopt this strategy. One is free to reject them, of course. But, that means no one is left. RP's point is to not reject them, but to not allow them to fulfill their strategy (i.e. lock you down in marriage when they are not attracted to you). Become more attractive and don't get married. But, most importantly, understand what is going on.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 06:24 PM
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It is of paramount importance to me. I hope that--after this long--I am proficient enough to make it so.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 03:18 PM
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why is it so hard for you guys to reject them outright? Because, to zeroeth order, they are ALL women over 30. Would you prefer all men older than 30 to only seek companionship from 21-yr-olds?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 03:16 PM
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You are lying or did not read the responses. Your characterization is completely false. I read them all. So did the author of the piece, hence her tally. You can say that it says what you want it to say. It doesn't make it so.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 04:20 PM
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75% of men liking it == something that "men love". You couldn't get that level of agreement on anything. 75% of men don't like hamburgers! 75% of men don't like beer! To say that 75% agreement on something being good is not utter consensus is insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 04:17 PM
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Whoa. You got me there! mmmm...I wonder if maybe I am a woman... Probably not. However, I am completely sure you are. You are good. I totally had no idea until this exchange. Very artfully done, and, therefore, enjoyable. Thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 04:15 PM
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I did! From the story: "The tally: Go for it: 75 Can’t turn a ho into a housewife: 17" The first page is utterly representative and completely counter to your assertion and completely supports OP. Have a nice day.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 04:11 PM
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I was just having fun reading this exchange, until this comment. I am now 100% convinced that OP is a woman. It makes "his" recent posts much more understandable. Also, in hindsight, the flair should have been a red flag...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 04:01 PM
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First page == 80% of the men "like" (i.e. would continue to date) easy girls, 20% do not.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 03:51 PM
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"hottest women possible" admits a lot of women. I live in a mid-sized city and see dozens and dozens of hot women every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 03:33 PM
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I totally fell into doing a PhD: GenX dissipation(what else am I gonna do)+excellent test scores(back when that could get you into grad school) = fellowship that gave me rent, etc. for a few years. You're are quite right about the sensibility of this plan. Now, I would never suggest to a young person they should get a PhD unless they were completely in love with the notion of doing research. Also, are you concerned about "getting laid a lot" or "getting laid with many women" or "getting laid wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 03:22 PM
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The kind that allows you to be a top 3% wage earner.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 02:51 AM
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I have found that men get about the measure of respect they deserve from other men based on their aptitude, experience, and ability. Women get less than that. That's my only observation.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 11:37 PM
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This is a fair question. I can only say that I don't think so. I think this only because I have good executive function and a deep-seated sense of right and wrong. Most people have neither of these things. But, that's the thing: I can never be 100% sure. Thankfully, this gedanken experiment will never obtain. 80% was/is a ridiculous number (and that was my original point).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 10:59 PM
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Oh I certainly wouldn't admit it in meatspace. But, I suspect I am far from alone in this attitude, so YMMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 10:57 PM
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I should be more specific: If I was simply a woman--no other changes--I would receive far less respect than I enjoy now, especially from people who have only just met me. If you think that is not true (i.e. women of ability get little respect just because they are women), then you haven't lived very long.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 10:57 PM
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I agree with you! They are wrong. atlas tries every 10th Pareto thread or so to correct the nonsense. She is never listened to.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 07:49 PM
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No. Certainly not. But, as I said in another reply, 80% of men is a lot of men. Furthermore, rape would be normalized socially if 80% of men couldn't get laid at all. Murder gets normalized in isolated pockets when people get desperate. That does not mean that most people are murderers.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 07:47 PM
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all the men claiming they only go to work to get pussy ::raises hand:: I have said this repeatedly before (you are free to check my post history). Furthermore, I would do almost nothing if it weren't for the incentive of pussy: I would not groom myself beyond being able to handle my own stink. I would not strive to achieve anything. My ambition would be precisely 0. I don't know if I'm a loser or not: I have a PhD and a long list of accomplishments. It is also very likely that I make more money …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 07:21 PM
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I'm 100% OK in saying that I think that--integrated over all of life in general--I think I have it "easier" as a man. I get respect purely by dint of my gender from other men, including those with power. I don't have to worry about bearing children or all of the non-trivial bodily consequences of that. I generally do not fear others. Women do have extraordinary advantages relative to me in the SMP. But, they are generally consigned to optimizing much different dimensions of that SMP than I am. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 07:15 PM
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For the up-tillionth time: 80/20 Pareto applied to the SMP means that 20% of the men are having 80% of all the casual sex. Not that 80% of men can't get laid. On the other hand, the majority (80%?) of men do think some woman (or women) desire them. They are deluded, but they think it. If them and 4/5 of their friends never had sex, they would know better all of the sudden. That would be a rude awakening.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 06:57 PM
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why aren't the bottom 30% who can't get laid right now raping women? Not all of the 80% would rape. But, a lot would. Frustration on that scale--no hope for that many men--would lead to horrible behavior. That behavior would be able to be rationalized because of the scale of the "problem." I agree wholeheartedly that--despite consistent claims to the contrary here on PPD--that the vast majority of men are not rapists. But 80% would be a lot of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 06:54 PM
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Not generally a topic I engage on, but, your last hypothetical:. Yes, if 80% of men could not get laid at all, they would rape women en masse.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 04:36 PM
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Women: 4 - 5 maximum partners in lifespan Men: 18 maximum partners in lifespan I think this is a fascinating finding. 18 desired partners in a lifetime for men "feels" right to me (based on my own male bias). That said, is it the "real" average, or the "acceptable" average (i.e. did men say, "about 20," because it seemed appropriate)? In fact, I posit it might be... aspirational. A lot of men might think, "If I could have, say, 3 times more partners than it seems I actually will have, that'd be …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 04:05 AM
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I truly hope your SO is OK. It is scary to have lung problems right now! All the best.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 02:17 AM
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stop asking women and ask men This is very good advice. Not for the least reason that many of the responses by women here are very lawyerly, to say the least.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 12:06 AM
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Oh, the hissy fit thing. I didn't mean (and I think you know I didn't) that the current husbands weren't virile young men anymore, but, rather, old farts with guts. No: these men were never, ever attractive. Not in their youth and not now.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/20 04:48 PM
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All of these men were called "boyfriends" to the outside world. Sometimes Chad was a boyfriend. Sometimes he was just a friend they finally fucked. None of these men were ONSs. None of these men were short-term(months) FWBs. They were people these women advertised to the outside world that they were in LTRs with. So what's the standard? Does casual sex only become relationship sex if the relationship is greater than 6 months? Do they have to meet your family?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/20 04:46 PM
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They had 2 to 3 times the number of partners I had, because they had essentially never had a "dry spell." Indeed, they all had an episode of branchswinging, which does a good job of doubling ones n-count over a short amount of time. Furthermore, their dalliances with Chad were all the same: they had "known him for a while," or "had been friends," and then "it just happened." My favorite of these tales was Chad coming into the ice cream shop where College GF worked and rawdogging her in the suppl…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/20 04:37 PM
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None of these women except for the 'redneck sluts' had a lot of casual sex. They were serial monogamists for the most part.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/20 12:53 AM
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Lots of replies from BP (women especially) claiming that OP overstates the stark divide between the men a woman fucks around with in her youth and the one she ends up married to. That point might be fair enough, but they proceed to completely fuck up their point by swinging waaaayyyyyy too far the other way: Claiming that "most women" mostly date boring a shithead (or two) all through their 20's and then settle down with another boring shithead. I've had sex with redneck sluts and UMC princesses…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/20 10:21 PM
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This is a bit like my sister. She is in her 40's and has never married. She could get any number of men to marry her, but she would never deign to look at them. I give her a lot of credit: Her life is an honest one.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/20 03:15 AM
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Is this an active pursuit or are you just mistaking general friendliness? I'm talking about active, obvious overtures. The mildest being cliche, obvious IOI's. The most extreme being the fondling of genitals. I.e. the women have definitive "ideas."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/20 03:10 AM
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Thanks for saying it again! I'd also like to once again point out that "hypergamy" as it should (well, hell, in a sane world anyway) be debated here is a TRP term-of-art that does not mean, "getting the best you can get." Both comments will get the same amount of attention, unfortunately.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/20 03:04 AM
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You are giving people (not just women) too much credit for having forethought. I am sure you are atypical. My lived experience is that every married men I have ever known (including me; and I've know a lot of married men) experiences more interest from women when they are married. Is this a selection effect (i.e. I only see those women who do this?)? Yes, of course it is. But, your observation has an even more restrictive selection effect. The reality is likely somewhere in the middle.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/20 02:53 AM
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it makes it a choice, not a matter of attraction, Like how women mature and realize that they need to make a responsible and rational choice in a mate? I've been told repeatedly here on PPD that that transition is, in fact, a change in what they find attractive!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/20 02:45 AM
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Is there one that I "liked"? Seriously: I didn't see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/20 02:44 AM
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I understand and admire your ethics. But, surely you realize you are not typical in this attitude? Do you reject the notion that there are lots of women that go after married men? More still that would like to, but have things like ethics holding them back?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/20 02:43 AM
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I really thought that the whole women-are-attracted-to-taken-guys thing was something that women--including the women on PPD--freely admitted. Primarily because it is so obvious, and can be explained away by women via seemingly virtuous arguments (e.g. he has proven he can commit, etc.) Nope. I start to wonder if a red-flaired user posted, "Is water wet?," how many women would claim otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/20 01:38 AM
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Do you think relationships like this can be satisfying for the man? No. You'll always be the booby prize. do you think the woman can develop real attraction to the man? Absolutely not. Women claim they "grow into" attraction all the time. This is complete garbage: Women "fall into" relationships, or "develop feelings" all the time. Attraction is non-negotiable.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/20 11:06 PM
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People who have been married for a while will opt for the idealized harem for practical reasons (assuming the harem also lives communally).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/20 03:38 AM
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Here’s some Nietzsche to top it off: “Those girls who want to owe their whole life’s maintenance to their youthful charms alone, and whose cunning is prompted by their shrewd mothers, want the same thing as courtesans — only the girls are more clever and less honest.” Hear, hear! Importantly, this aphorism (found in Human All Too Human) is titled, "Honor and Honesty."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/20 09:16 PM
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Today, of all times, women have less reason to care for the opinions of others who want to dictate their sexual behavior to them. Or any behavior for that matter. Agreed. So, why do the lies persist? The answer is, of course, that they continue to serve a purpose in allowing women to keep all options open without any consequence of judgement. And one completely unavailable to men. That's shortsighted as well as disrespectful. I assume the first sentence here is a rhetorical question? Certainly n…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/20 07:23 PM
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Wha? Of course. Yes to all the questions. Jesus, how could anybody think otherwise?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/20 03:21 PM
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If I have "tipped my hand" with this, then I have certainly failed to communicate clearly and effectively. Thank you for pointing it out. To attempt to remedy that, let me be more explicit: Women are liars. They lie constantly. They lie consciously and unconsciously. Their lies have a deleterious effect on my life. But, of course, the common trope you cite had a long and storied history. And, as you suggest, it comes from a time when women had much less agency than they possess today: Lying was …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/20 03:13 PM
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I agree with you wholeheartedly! It is repugnant behavior. But, it works like catnip. At least, just little outward signs that I could be that much of sadist does.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/20 02:24 AM
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Naw. It's really hard to fuck up the genetic advantages of being an alpha. The converse is not true, however: You can maximize what you have. But, you'll have a lower ceiling (wrt having sex with women, anyway).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/20 10:27 PM
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They derive social power mostly through exploiting their genetic traits (i.e. as I say elsewhere, mostly aggressiveness and natural strength).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/20 10:25 PM
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It's mostly aggressiveness and natural strength. These men do all the shit that I have to force myself to do--be excessively loud, pick on smaller and seemingly weaker males, all these grotesque(i.e. vulgar and cliche) shows of dominance--as easily as breathing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/20 10:18 PM
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"Most truly average guys" can totally fake it, as you say, with the "right lessons."
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/20 10:12 PM
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"Real" alpha males are damn near a different hominoid species compared to your average beta schlub. Nothing like this divide exists among females of our species.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/20 09:58 PM
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What's the point though? There is a difference between n=5 and n=15 or 25. There is a difference between 10 D1 athletes and 10 frat boy plugs. There is a difference between all your closest friends and 10 randos. You can argue that there is no material difference in any of these cases. Maybe there is, maybe there isn't. BUT, in every man's head there is a difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/20 09:23 PM
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I've been asked by most men I've discussed sex with I think the "discussed sex with" part is not unimportant. If people are willing/able/comfortable/whatever with actually talking about sex, it makes sense to me that men would ask. All of us want to know and care.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/20 08:19 PM
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Doesn't quite answer OP's question, but I refer to a comment of mine on basically the same subject from a little while ago: Personally, I am quite ambivalent about the effect of a woman's n-count. I can certainly see the pseudoscience and the hypocrisy for what they are. But, I do want to take issue with one motif I see here, time and time again: The idea that men (writ large) don't care and/or never think/talk about it outside of Reddit. I've been in male groups all my life, including groups of…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/20 08:09 PM
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Your family is the only "complete set" of these groups. Among the others, you only see the above average men. The others are furniture.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/20 02:59 AM
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You're a woman, aren't you? That's why your "average male friends" are not average. You don't notice average males.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/20 12:05 AM
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I've been the husband who was never really deemed attractive by his wife, and, yes, my greatest fear is ever being that again. I would rather be dead (if that was the only choice I had). Also: to agree with OP - this particularly heinous lie that women perpetrate all the time was also the primary target of my anger stage. Don't fall into the trap, but realize that that 34 -yr-old divorcee has to set it. She has no other rational choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/20 05:39 PM
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Mid-to-late 20's -- All my acquaintances got married, me included. Combination of HS and college sweethearts and people who met at bars, parties, work. Dating revolves around those activities (i.e. bars and work and friend's parties) Mid 30's -- divorces happen, other marriages stay together. Dating is very hard for divorced men at around this age. Divorced women either branch-swung or concern themselves with raising the kids, so they are not in the market. Late 30's -- Single men cannot walk ou…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 10:01 PM
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I have never read a thread on PPD that more clearly exhibited female narcissism. Sex is--plainly and unambiguously--all about them. The only point in it (beyond procreation) is to satisfy their image of themselves: I’d be hurt and insecure and turned off, I would assume it's because he didn't find me attractive enough. having to jerk/ blow him for another 20 minutes when I wanna just chill.doesnt sound appealing. It probably would make me feel inadequate and insecure. i would feel like a failure…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 09:52 PM
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The exact dimensions of these ratios vary based on personal taste influenced by culture and upbringing and unique preferences. I think this is excellently and succinctly put. I think beauty and fitness trump tits and ass. Meh... if by "beauty" you mean facial beauty, I posit that lots of men will always take the tits and ass over a beautiful face, within some tolerance. Fitness is always a plus, however.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 09:37 PM
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Nope. Women will always absolutely (and authentically, in their own heads) convince themselves that whatever man they actually end up with is the epitome of everything wonderful in the Universe. They will claim that no man who has ever lived is as awe-inspiring. They will think that unequivocally. Until they don't. Then, they'll branch-swing to Perfecter Man 2.0. End loop...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 01:00 AM
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I treat women horribly. I treat them in ways I would never want to be treated, and in ways that I am sure would drive any rational being away. Instead, it's like catnip.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 12:57 AM
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Actively hating women and their sexuality and directly acting on that hatred has improved my sex life markedly. I would say 'immeasurably,' but it is measurable: The sheer number of women I have fucked since turning this corner versus my n-count before. Being a misogynist might be detrimental to my long-term mental health, but it is great for getting my dick wet!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 11:56 PM
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Perfectly stated. I have no desire to put my dick in an asshole, but if I'm told no (modulo the caveats outlined here): next!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 11:31 PM
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Every woman I've ever had sex with has asked.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 02:16 AM
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When asked what she likes in the opposite sex, 9 times/10 a woman will respond with completely non-physical traits, even if she has physical features in mind. You've put your finger on it: It's the lie. The preference is not worse. The preference is rational. The lie is worse. That lie is perpetuated on this sub (almost) every hour of every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 11:43 PM
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What evolutionary pressure would select for women who are sexually attracted to men that they ultimately don't have children with? That's not how selection works! Woman A is attracted to Man A. Woman B is attracted to Man A. Woman C is attracted to Man A. All of these women might also be attracted to Man B, but not in a comparative sense. Human females are sexual selectors, but cannot guarantee success. Only Women C and B have offspring with Man A. Woman A reproduces with Man B. Man A's advantag…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 10:56 PM
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Over many generations, what evolutionary pressure would cause a women to be attracted to men that they didn't ultimately have children with? Women can't guarantee they will have children with a particular man. Your example is exactly what I wrote, and is quite different from what you wrote and quite different from the above quotation. And again I say there is no motivation to marry a man you do not find attractive for the average woman. And, again, I say that the motivation is children and commi…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 10:31 PM
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It doesn't make sense for women to evolve to be attracted to men that they don't ultimately have children with. So, you are a believer in the evolutionary psychology of female attraction? You'd find many kindred souls in TRP. But, that statement--as written--is, of course, nonsense. Giving you the benefit of the doubt, didn't you mean to write: "It doesn't make sense for women to evolve to be attracted to men that they wouldn't ultimately like to have children with." Because, if you didn't mean …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 10:02 PM
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Okay, I agree that children could be a motivation, but why would women willingly choose to have children with men they deem 'genetically inferior'? Because that's who they can get to commit. Would it perhaps be better to pay for genetic material from a sperm bank? Yes, it might! But, that takes resources ($$) and you lose the advantages of having a partner to help care for the children. Let me know if you find out that the majority of women gain financial from a divorce. You won't. Who said anyt…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 09:39 PM
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There is no motivation to do this. Women aren't on mass[sic] removing themselves from the dating market in their prime Regardless of whether they think they have hit the Wall or not, women "in their prime" who want to have children generally do have children in their prime (i.e. 25-32 yrs old). Most women prefer to do this in the context of marriage. Even more prefer to do it at least in the context of an LTR (i.e. an agreement of some sort). So, yes they do, in fact, remove themselves from the …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 09:26 PM
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According to TRP, the older women would be the ones settling and more likely to divorce but its the opposite. No. Why would a woman who settles in with a nice, docile beta be more likely to divorce?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 08:47 PM
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I have found that women care if you are an MD (aside from being a famous artist of some ilk). Otherwise, they don't tend to give a shit where the money comes from, but it has to come in some reasonable measure (where that is defined by her class). Even men who have what people might describe as "interesting" professions gain no advantage from this.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 01:23 AM
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Our lived experience is different: I'm older than you, and I know dozens of women who, "harbor this mentality."
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 09:47 PM
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don’t really perceive any of them as super-special-no one-else-can-live-up-to status So, you have not been alpha-widowed. Plenty of women have.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 04:06 PM
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Was this woman exceptionally attractive or special to you Had oneitis in the past. She was, indeed, exceptionally special to me, and was attractive. Would it be fair to say that any woman that you don't orbit without sex in the future is less special to you than this woman was? This was a bit difficult to parse, but: No, but that woman (i.e. the earlier one) will always a significant measuring stick for every other woman I meet. Both in positive and negative senses. She was a unique person in my…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 12:46 AM
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This.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 10:53 PM
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Women are subjected to rampant sexism in most professional venues. They are ignored and actively disdained professionally much of the time. The professions in which this happens the most and where it is most venomous are not the ones you might expect, either. Women are right to fear the half of the population that could kill then if they wanted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 06:07 PM
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Indeed One of the most RP things ever written on this sub...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 04:39 PM
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I love FDS. A bunch of women telling the truth about what they think, what they are frustrated by, and being open about their desire to fuck hot men and manipulate betas. One of the best things on Reddit!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 05:19 AM
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You are, of course, correct. She's gonna do what she wants, and I sure as hell can't do anything about it. All I'm gonna do is call her a liar and avoid her. biased so-called morality I don't know: If telling bald-faced lies for your own narrow benefit that have have palpable, long-lasting, deleterious effects on the lives of other people is "biased" or suspect morality, I'll take it. Me, along with every moral philosopher in the West for thousands of years.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 04:50 AM
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How do you expect her to resist? She should not. She should fuck him. She should be proud she fucked him. What she doesn't get to do is tell some poor schlub years later that he's what she finds attractive now. She doesn't get to say (well, she doesn't get to say without being called a liar; she's allowed to do whatever she wants) that if Chad showed back up today she would still choose said schlub. She can't claim that time has changed her preferences away from wanting: innately superior, socia…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 11:22 PM
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I don’t hang out with women who exploit men’s sexual desires for their own monetary gain. It need not be monetary or anything close to monetary. Maybe it's just greasing the wheels of societal interaction. How does a woman “caring” about random men’s boners actually benefit her in real concrete terms? How do the women you know make use of this generic bland knowledge that men are horny and will fuck anything under the sun? Use specific scenarios. I was at a conference as a student. Conference di…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/20 01:29 AM
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I want it to be "defenestrated."
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 09:49 PM
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Inexperience turns women off a lot. For a serious romantic relationship? I hardly believe that,... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Oh, to be this young again...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 09:44 PM
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The women who spend too much time thinking about that men want to emotionlessly fuck their bodies without any care or love wind up hating men. I do not know if this is true or not. But, do you really not know women who do always take this ever-present fact into account in their interactions with men? I certainly do know a few. And--regardless of their other gifts, intelligence, whatever (or lack thereof)--they get better results from their lives than women who don't do this. I would call these w…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 09:39 PM
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I really want to know what the missing verb from this sentence is.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 08:58 PM
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Any woman I would pursue for an LTR would have a higher n-count than mine (i.e. she would be attractive enough that her n-count would be higher, not that I would screen for high n-counts). So, yeah, I would probably exaggerate mine, both for my purposes and to make her feel non-slutty. Are there certain sexual encounters you’ve had you wouldn’t disclose to someone you’re seriously dating? I have never had sex with a man or an escort. So, no--I'm OK with telling a woman about any sexual encounter…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 08:56 PM
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I don't even care if a woman has a face. I am being 100% serious. Face means not a damn thing to me: It's all body (and it's not the average supermodel body I want either).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 08:36 PM
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He's no bodybuilder. The only curls he's ever done are 12oz... We're now mid-forties. I know dozens of fairly attractive mid-forties women who are married or in LTR's with the same looks-like-Kenny-Rogers-ate-a-small-village MFs. These women hook these dumbasses because they can, and call them things like "stable" and "good men" and other nonsense things.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 08:33 PM
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What? You do realize this sub is all about sex, right? Your comment was more like: "We are talking about what flavors you enjoy in food. You saying that you wish the people around you found sweet the most appealing is gross because you want it to be their favorite."
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 08:31 PM
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All of this is perfectly true. However, if you want or need something from this man and you either ignore or offend the constancy and all-encompassing nature of these "boring, common, basic biological urges" you will not get what you want or need. Ever. Is that unfair? Yeah, maybe it is. Tough shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 08:29 PM
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Oh. It was just a weird prudish take. Got it. Thank you for the explanation.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 04:15 PM
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Disgusting. If that’s what the “nerd” is thinking, he’s not smart either. He’s a creep. I honestly don't understand what you are finding disgusting here. Could you elaborate a little?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 03:52 PM
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Very close, I think... Men only willingly associate with women if they want to fuck them... should be Men frame every interaction with women around whether they want to fuck them... But, yes, it is totally male solipsism.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 03:48 PM
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co-workers You have marginal additional value to co-workers, it is true. But, even with co-workers, your interactions with them are, first and foremost, about fucking you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 03:44 PM
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Again, you shouldn't care if you don't want to. It only matters to the extent that you care what is the defining, central "thing" in every interaction you have with half the population. Don't you go into any interaction with people with the question(s), "What does this person want from me? What do I want from this person?"? Not in a predatory or cynical way: Just as a way of framing the conversation you're about to have.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 03:43 PM
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I'm not sure why men would think I care. You should care only inasmuch as it defines every single interaction you have with a man. It is more than the backdrop of every conversation you ever have with a man: It is the foreground. I don't care if it's asking Bob in accounting to get you those numbers, asking Frank the butcher what's good today, or asking the barista for extra foam. To them, all that is a second-order perturbation on, "Does she suck dick good?"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 03:39 PM
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Actually, I did love her. In many ways, we were very compatible: similar interests, she's very smart. But, I realized that she just wasn't attractive enough for me to imagine fucking her every week for the rest of my life. So, I wasn't gonna marry her. Then you left her for the 2nd one ? No. I'm a man: If I had branch-swung, I would have said so. There was a >2 yr gap between me moving and the start of my relationship with my ex-wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 03:37 PM
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Did you realize she wasnt really attracted to you? She told me flat-out. Said she never really was.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 03:34 PM
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How badly did she hit that wall? She still looks fairly attractive. How do you know the fat guy refuses to marry her? We still have mutual friends. I have heard from more than one that she has been pushing for 3.5 yrs of their 5+ year relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 03:34 PM
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I would have said men before I started frequenting this sub. But, now, it's women, by a long shot. The notion that women don't realize every single man they encounter every single day in every single situation has one initial thought--i.e. do I want to fuck her, and how would I do it--is amazing to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 04:50 AM
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Yes, sorta... She did not "pack her shit and leave." She started fucking a guy while we were married and I left. That guy dumped her, as did the next guy when she did actually hit the wall, and she is now with 300lb man who refuses to marry her.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 04:42 AM
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First, the TRP term of art "hypergamy" has a slightly different definition than common (?!) usage. Specifically, it is: The instinctual urge for women to seek out the best alpha available. ... She is conditioned to recognize a declining alpha, as hypergamy also tends to continue seeking out higher status males even while with an alpha male. In particular, this does not mean just "getting the best deal." It means actively, consistently, and without end looking for a better deal. Also, an average …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 04:17 AM
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Oh, the second one wanted commitment alright. Indeed, that was actually all she really wanted from me: She was convinced (incorrectly, I am happy to admit) that she was somehow past The Wall. She bundled me up and delivered me to the altar, tout suite. She realized after a few years that she had fucked up marrying a man she was not actually attracted to. I certainly have no regrets leaving the first one. I was never gonna marry her.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 03:40 AM
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I've had what was assumed to be a "forever girlfriend" (i.e. she talked about the future always assuming marriage and I never did; work/study circumstances broke us up), and I had a wife. The one I wifed up was just... better. Prettier. Less neurotic. Less red-hot temper. NB I was completely committed to her. She wanted to be with men she found more attractive. Therefore, we divorced.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 12:36 AM
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a good hard look at what women do when they're turned down for sex. Someone who takes something for granted gets really pissed off when it's taken away from them. Have you ever seen a woman who gets turned down for sex? They go absolutely non-linear! Complete apeshit!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 12:31 AM
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Do exactly what they have always done. I know what the deal is now. That said: Do you want them to simply be more blunt about it? Yes. In an ideal world, this would be nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 04:37 PM
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Compatibility and mutual compassion are tied, IMO. Those are surely close to necessary for a successful LTR, but how in the hell can anyone believe they are sufficient? My two old aunts who lived together for 30 years were highly compatible and compassionate to one another. They did not have a romantic relationship (well, at least not to my knowledge...). Attraction is the only thing that makes the hard work of a relationship worth it. Telling men that compatibility is a good reason to get marri…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/20 01:15 AM
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Can you tell me what you consider to be the single most important factor in any romantic relationship? NB "single most important" does not mean "sole"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/20 01:03 AM
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I perceive that you disagree with the truthfulness of all these points. I'm not sure which you think are the most untrue (or distasteful). That said, do really not think: attraction is the single most important factor in all heterosexual, romantic relationships- ONS, STR’s, LTR’s and marriages I mean, of course it is!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/20 12:51 AM
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Your advice is fine. Why not? You'll find a thirsty beta: It's absolutely true. Only one caveat -- If "you do you" in this manner, make no mistake: you will be judged by the man you end up with. You can wail all you want that, "men not on PPD don't do that!," or, "I would never end up with such a Neanderthal!" It doesn't matter: ALL men care and ALL men think about it. AMALT. Also... even average men complain about it being hard to date and fuck. Indeed. Occam's Razor suggests that this is becau…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 12:52 AM
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comically huge boobs don’t appear to go out of favor. This is unassailably true.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 11:31 PM
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There are many women I admire and look up to. These range from famous women whose accomplishments I admire to women I know personally who have contributed to the world and their fellow human beings in various ways. I could rattle off a litany, but it would be incomplete and not wholly representative. But, it's pretty easy to think of dozens. Nevertheless, my primary interest in women--period--is having sex with them. Therefore, I also know (with ontological certainty) that every one of the women…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 02:53 AM
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There's gonna be a rash of, "That only works on low-value women," and, "Even attractive men have to not be social inept," from women on this. This is not really an attempt to dispute the facts (i.e. the facts belie both these statements). Rather, it is an attempt to convince all the 7.5's in the male audience that they're the same kind of creature as even a top 10% physically attractive man. They are not. They never have been. Everything about their existence and their interactions with women is…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/20 05:47 PM
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WT Actual F are you going on about, OP? Look, anybody without a closed-head injury realizes we are basically talking about 2 sex acts: anal and blowjobs. Joe Beta asks Trixie to blow him, or--respectfully--asks if it's OK to stick his dick in her ass. Trixie says, "I don't like that." "How do you know you don't like it?" ... It's not some detective noir with a "gotcha!" revelation. It's normal humans speaking to each other around having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/20 06:13 AM
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The first rule...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/20 11:19 PM
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I can cosplay as bluepill at the meet up, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/20 11:13 PM
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I like FDS. I think it's great.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 04:48 AM
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Happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/20 01:47 AM
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I'm struck by how many women construed "men you have rejected" to actually mean "men you have broken up with." The men they rejected don't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 06:31 AM
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as having a job does not make me more attractive to women Indeed. I agree. But, having enough money to dress decently, own a car, and buy drinks provides the "extras" that being attractive needs to push the needle over the line. I learn new things to learn new things. My job is, actually, all about doing just that: learning new things (i.e. I do research). My job does little but get in the way of me actually learning new things. But, I need money to get women (even if they aren't escorts).
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 05:54 AM
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Are you 30-34 yrs old? That's when most of the divorces in my circle(s) happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 05:41 AM
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But answer q 3, why is getting laid so important to you? Because I have testosterone coursing through me? Masturbation is a poor substitute for fucking, and escorts are expensive and can be dangerous. The notion that getting laid is no big deal is, on the face of it, simply ridiculous to me. If I wasn't trying to get laid, I would quit my job, do nothing, and only groom myself to a standard that would maintain my general health and prevent me from smelling myself. Literally nothing else matters!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 05:34 AM
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2) Do you dislike having to put on a mask and "game" chicks rather than be your true self, even if it's boring. Is being what other people want you to be something you enjoy? Yes. I hate this. I act like a person I hate and would never want to be around. But, it is remarkably effective in getting me laid. Therefore, Imma keep doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 05:21 AM
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Humans just love to try to distill things down to the absolute most basic level but some things, and life, are a lot more nuanced and complex than that. We basically agree on this point (and many of the sentences previous to this that set this up). To have a happy and productive life with someone, you need more than sexual attraction. Furthermore, there are some intangibles. But... there has to be a “draw” of some kind, and it must be compelling No, there need not be any compelling draw, aside f…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 11:02 PM
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How many men in my post got to know me and then rejected me. Count them? Only one. So, one guy was less perceptive than the others. Too bad for him. And he is still my friend. Good for both of you. I hope you both value the friendship.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 07:47 PM
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"I just don't understand how men can find me attractive, but then, when they get to know me, don't want to be around me. It's a complete mystery..."
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 06:35 PM
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One of the primary reasons this sort of question always plays out the same on PPD is the absolute refusal of women here to speak to the actual question. Instead, there is a lot of talk about: Women marry men who are primarily beta all the time, and marriage means sex happens, beta traits make for good marriages, so that means sex is happening, so...., beta traits make men attractive for marriage, alphas are not attentive to my needs when it comes time for sex (completely eliding away the fact th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 06:22 PM
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a guy asked me out I went out with a guy I talked to and was friendly with a guy one guy found me on Instagram So, you're attracting initial interest, but the deal is not being closed. Isn't the answer obvious? edit: formatting
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 05:58 PM
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Shortest - 2' Tallest - 7' What man gives a shit?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 03:06 AM
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This only holds true if you're chasing after the top 5% of women. What only holds true? I have no idea what you are trying to argue.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 12:04 AM
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Indeed, life ain't fair, and few of us (i.e. any of us men) is Chad. It's all true. Furthermore, it's perfectly reasonable for women to react to Chad the way you describe -- doesn't matter what he does or does not do, he gets laid. It makes sense. The only issue is this: When it comes time to commit to a woman, does she try to convince you that these differences aren't real? Does she claim that Chad is not a markedly and fundamentally different creature than you? Does she claim that any man she …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 12:00 AM
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Who is to want to touch your dick if you are an asshole to them? The "trick," of course, is to be just a little of an asshole to them, but a huge asshole to everyone else. Do you mainly date women with low self esteem and daddy issues? BAZINGA! Oh, you got me there! How you wound me. Ad hominem gonna ad hominem.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 04:09 PM
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You just need to want to leave your house occasionally for something other than work. You mean things like going scuba diving, or to a concert, or playing in some sort of organized sports league or tournament (one that involves beer), or to a pub trivia night? Or maybe taking a date on a random road trip (i.e. drive 45 minutes in a random direction and see what happens)? You mean leaving your house like that? That's my average month. If I act like an asshole while I do these things, I get my dic…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 03:59 PM
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I betcha he still remembers this too.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 03:25 PM
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Here, "fun" = be a fucking asshole, at best. Be something a random woman thinks a "fun" man is, regardless of any outside criteria, at worst. "boring" = being a goddamn grown-up. "safe" = being unattractive enough that no woman fears you other options Being "boring and safe" is not the problem. Being only boring and safe is.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 03:15 PM
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Well, hell: Neither have I! I moved from my hometown when I was 16 (went to college early). I still know the people, however. But, I guess if you cut off contact, more or less, from people you grew up with then, this particular dynamic might not obtain. But, have you no friends where you've seen old photos of the men? Surely many of those men were dipwads when younger.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 03:06 PM
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I guess I haven't seen this myself. I find this remarkable. I did grow up in a very rural place, and lots of people "stayed." But, several also "got out," and form a fairly large (in fraction) diaspora. These 2nd marriages span both the remainers and the leavers. In 2 cases, the women literally returned our childhood home and picked up the schlubs who still pined for them. I can name 5-6 of these relationships without thinking. You've never seen this? Weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 03:01 PM
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What values and traits mark a man as "safe" - are these traits some men hate about themselves and don't want women to be attracted to? We hear over and over again here on PPD that being a "good person" is not anything that makes a man attractive. We hear that women who are not damaged are not attracted to money. We hear time and time again that a secure job with a decent salary makes a man boring, and that only arty types or "men that work with their hands" are sexy. OK, cool, cool. We got it. B…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 02:54 PM
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How do you know she wouldn't have given you the time of day earlier unless she's actually a woman you grew up with? I think this is so obvious that this comment is disingenuous. Nevertheless, this is a fairly common dynamic, isn't it? Many women I went to school with are divorced from first husbands and are now remarried to men they either implicitly or (in many cases) explicitly rejected when they were younger. These poor saps think they have "won."
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 02:44 PM
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Because, by and large, these are the only people that actually exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 07:08 PM
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I’ve seen one divorce in 20 years. If this is the case, you must realize then that your experience is very strange and particular, indeed. Among all the people you know, you only know of one divorce? That is very unusual, period! I know lots of losers. I know lots of very successful people. I know people who do nothing but manual labor. I know professional athletes and pharmaceutical executives. I know people who have been prison for drug offenses. I know people who are former cops who are now l…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 05:21 PM
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It matches the lived experience of every single man I know. All of them. You want it to be wrong (or, rather, perceived as wrong), but it is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 05:14 PM
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Not an understandable shift in priorities Of course it's an understandable shift in priorities. It is not a shift in preferences, however, which is what is often said. It is an evil plot to trap betas, as well: An attempt to make those men feel as if they have always been desirable and women just needed "time" to come to the realization. It is an attempt to find companionship and stability with a man they can tolerate by telling the lie that that preferences have actually changed. Being tolerate…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 05:05 PM
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No one reasonable expects perfection without work. First: "reasonable"... Indeed, but... Second: "expects perfection..." Yes, that seems like a reasonable caveat. But, the disconnect is what women consider a "gym bod" and what any non-genetic-freak and/or roider can actually achieve. A fit, relatively low BF male can achieve some measure of muscularity, but it is far less than the pictures we see on PPD repeatedly of "muscleheads" that so many PPD women claim they do not find attractive. It matt…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/20 10:39 PM
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Women don't want to see the sausage made...by in large, they want to 'believe' that the were the one who found a natural born Achilles who was hatch perfectly formed as the 6-2 190 ripped strong poet This all day.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/20 08:42 PM
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More specifically, in this study, the positive correlation was only r = 0.26. This is simply incorrect. The reduced parameters to normalize country-to-country variance have a correlation coefficient of 0.26. The correlation between economic index and preference for the masculine traits is much tighter, as can be seen clearly in each of the plots.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/20 03:28 PM
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Filter out anyone who is not a engineer or rich banker Who in the actual fuck thinks these are equivalent to women? Women don't want to fuck engineers! They will tolerate marrying one, but just barely.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/20 10:13 PM
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It is such an outrageous statement that I am confident in asking you to do a single experiment yourself: Ask 5 women (in meatspace, not PPD) if they think women are attracted to men's fame. Feel free to self-report the results.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/20 10:05 PM
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Other than golddiggers, women dont care about fame either. This might be the single silliest sentence I have ever read on PPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/20 08:41 PM
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A girl let me fuck her for a Big Mac (no fries) when I was in college. Early 90's. I'm guessing things have not changed markedly.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/20 10:08 PM
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One of them very closely mirrors my life experiances. Well, given that observation, can you predict what will happen in the future if you interact with a member of the opposite sex by "applying" that pill? Companies all over the world are spending hundreds of millions of dollars building predictive models using exactly the same technique, 'cept in silicon and software instead of your "wetware."
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/19 11:58 PM
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My n count is 32, so women in my league are likely having slept with 64 dudes? No. That's not what was said. If you met a woman with a 64 body count, do you imagine she would be far more attractive than you? About the same? Not as attractive? I submit she's probably about your same attractiveness level. That's what was said.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/19 11:54 PM
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It's absolutely worth shooting your shot in that case. Most men won't.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/19 10:18 PM
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9.5 women do not get hit on 1/50th as much as 7.5 women get hit on. A real 9.5 is intimidating to most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/19 10:14 PM
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I think that if you are some normal-to-above-average schlub (as best as you can tell) and you see a girl that you think you might be a match for (i.e. she is in your league), her body count will be roughly 2x yours. As you say, this doesn't obtain for 8.5-10's: 9.5 men are sluts because they can be. 9.5 women do not get approached very much. It also breaks down on the low end (<3's): It's random for uggos and the deformed.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/19 10:10 PM
1

Do you think Chad is part of this conversation we are having? Edit: Sorry. I should have remembered it's Christmas-time and given you the gift of tripping your GOTCHA! My apologies: I'll walk into some random silly trap another time for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/19 10:01 PM
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I've known 2 stay-at-home-dad couples. One lasted almost 20 years married (and him raising the kids!). Both ended as a result of... her fucking somebody at work.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/19 08:15 PM
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If she has twice your n-count, she is roughly your looksmatch. Therefore, yes, she is practically out of your league.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/19 07:27 PM
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sounds like it's even worse for respectful men who are just trying to focus on their workout. I readily admit that I have recently gone full-on Mike Pence and have started going to a gym that is all-male (not by policy, but in practice) for precisely this reason. I look at the tits and hips and ass of every single woman who enters my field of view. Every one.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/19 03:52 PM
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Indeed. I do perceive that I evoked the general feeling I was attempting to convey. What poet could ask for more?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/19 09:26 PM
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This sub is just a repository of AWALT, and has deeply cemented my previous beliefs God, yes. This. But, to be clear, I sincerely want to thank all the distaff denizens of this sub for being honest (at least, a lot of the time). It is all I ever want out of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/19 09:24 PM
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It took me waaayyyyy too long to figure out OP wasn't talking about people fucking hams and bacon...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/19 07:14 PM
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like those poly people Just as annoying as vegans, but grossly obese.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/19 01:39 AM
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if nobody knew about it No adult man cares about this. and they did not have to see her again Yeah, probably so. But, how does that mean they do not find them attractive? They are still found attractive, but they are also human beings, complete with pathologies and foibles you don't know about.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/19 01:22 AM
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This is a subtle question, I think. You'll see (at least) a couple of response types to this OP here: Yes, yes, yes -- 'cause men will fuck anything. Weirdos who claim to find only a small number of women "truly" attractive. This usually includes weirdo talk of ratios, facial structure, etc. Neither of these kinds of responses is useful. But, if we try to define "attractive," the answer is a bit complex, I think. Personally, I consider attractive to mean: I see a woman in any setting -- supermar…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/19 01:19 AM
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I have dated (and more) women from friends groups in the past. These relationships ended. In all cases, she got to "keep" the friend group: I still talk to the people once in a while, maybe a xmas card. But, the woman is still an integral part of the group of people, and I'm on the outside, holding my dick. Importantly, this is the case even in the case of my ex-wife, who was happy to tell everyone she made a huge mistake in marrying me because she never found me attractive, and wanted to be fre…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/19 09:22 PM
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Sharing negative thoughts and emotions with your wife is a very effective way to not be married anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/19 08:48 PM
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The thing is, even if most women won’t get raped this year, most women HAVE experienced threatening behaviour from men,... This is the crux of it. Almost all women have experienced all the things you enumerate, and most have experienced it more than once. This causes a strong selection bias. You will see women on PPD constantly claiming that most men engage in some or all of these behaviors. This is a ridiculous statement. It's the same small population of men doing all this jacked-up shit. It's…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/19 07:44 PM
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Those are fake numbers, indeed. And that fact is why your supposition is wrong. The numbers are so small that the only reasonable course of action is to approach every single time. You turn 1/2000 chosen from an overly curated set into 1/1000 without constraining your targets to only those you think beforehand you might have a shot with.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/19 07:38 PM
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She may simply not want to do it for ALL men and you should just next her if it's a dealbreaker for you. Unassailably true. But, more than just that, some things provide clear demarcations of whether she considers you to be a member of ALL those other men. I don't care much one way or the other about blowjobs. BUT, if a woman refuses to perform oral on me, I know what she thinks of me. Next.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 08:40 PM
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I read the OP. I think to myself, "Why did this person find this subreddit, and what's their damage?" I check the throwaway's short history. Not too instructive. But then... We’ve just bought an apartment, 7 years together, one room reserved for future baby. Now I know with your whole seven years of relationship Utopia under your belt... Ah. I see. As prosaic and quaint as it seems, the seven-year-itch is real. It's gotta be chemical somehow...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/19 05:15 PM
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Holy crap, there are a lot of words posted on this sub every day! I feel like I would have to quit my job to keep up.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 02:56 AM
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As well as can be expected: no kids, and we were making within $1000/yr. of one another.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 12:19 PM
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She is using the specific ex as the measuring stick in every dimension. Even a positive comparison means that she is trying to rationalize being with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 12:19 PM
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If she describes you to others as "stable", "solid", "mature," or the like when you are standing there. If she refuses to do something sexual with you that she has done with others multiple times in the past. (to attempt to head off complaints like the ones in an earlier thread) If she compares you in any way, positive or negative to a specific ex. If you tend to have sex at a more-or-less specific time(s) on specific day(s). Source: 2 LTRs--including a marriage--wherein the woman was not attrac…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 01:47 AM
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Because they think men evaluate the appearance of women the same way they evaluate the appearance of men. To wit: If a man's appearance is not completely and wholly remarkable, his appearance is strictly average. They hear that men like Thing1, Thing2, Thing3, ...ThingN, and think that only a woman who possesses all of those Things will be deemed physically attractive by men. This is the standard they apply to men's appearance: You must be essentially complete and perfect to be noteworthy with r…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/19 07:39 PM
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"blah, blah, blah...I posted propaganda from the LDS, but it doesn't matter..." Obvious fix to this criticism: Don't post BS studies from a cult as evidence of things. Nevertheless, as noted in my original comment, I saw other affiliations on other links. They are not pertinent to men entering marriages wherein they are found sexually attractive by their wife for the reasons enumerated in that comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 04:01 PM
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You are arguing a ridiculous point: Only an fucking idiot would trust a marriage study performed by anyone with a BYU affiliation. It's like quoting research on the non-deleterious effects of pedophilia from the International Man-Boy Love Society.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 03:50 PM
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I'm way past the anger stage....sounds like you are too. As you suggest above, hypergamy is just rational behavior by women. My anger was all about them lying about it. All. The. Time. Then, I realized that the only rational thing they could do was lie about it! Anger phase over. Do you play any sugar game? No. I'd pay for something I couldn't get by other means, but I haven't seen that yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/19 08:52 PM
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Amen! I ain't good looking, and I have a metric assload of retirement savings (I could retire now in my mid-40's if I wished), but everything I do to make myself more attractive is all about fucking as many different women as possible. I will never engage in a monogamous relationship again as long as I live.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/19 08:12 PM
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You would have married her because of the fake boobs or would you have wanted to marry her anyway? I certainly wouldn't have married her "because" of fake boobs. But, I would have found her even more attractive than she is with fake boobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/19 03:45 AM
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Good fake boobs are great. I would have totally married my ex had she had bolt-ons. It is not surprising that women would react this way to "fake assets." It is of a piece with the hatred of most RP advice to men, especially (a) "fake it till you make it" and (b) lifting weights. Women abhor the idea that a man could ever fool their radar and make them think that they are something they are not. It is, of course, ridiculously easy to fool women into believing that you are "more" than you are. Fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/19 10:34 PM
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if I’m being honest, I’ve never had a problem getting attractive men who have plenty of options to want to settle down with me. The type of men who need RP are having experiences that are foreign to me and to the men I have spent my life being romantically involved with, so I’m not in the population who would find its advice enlightening This is a great response, and one that seems both honest and objectively true. Given these realities of your lived experience, I can understand your ambivalence…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/19 11:46 PM
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Ya know, you've stumbled on a good analogy (Of course, that wasn't your intent. Your intent was to just throw a vapid insult grenade, having no real, substantive response...) It's very much like Weight Watchers! It's really hard to lose weight (to have sex with women). Millions of people try very hard and fail miserably all the time! It is impossible to lose weight (have sex with women) unless you understand the mechanisms that are preventing you from losing weight (having sex with women): You a…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/19 06:34 AM
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First, I (on purpose) formulated a "low" scenario. I imagine this a "5" man and "5" woman. "7"'s would have a much larger total number (for the woman) and a larger delta. Second, 7 partners and 4 partners in this case is a remarkably different actual experience for the 2 people involved. The man had one non-committed affair (he hit the lottery once). The woman chose to have only 2 casual partners. She was able to acquire them without any significant delay between the time she decided she would a…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/19 04:35 AM
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I think you're mostly correct in this feeling, but think about what this general feeling actually translates to... Let's take a putative 35-yr-old woman who went to college (not truly representative, but nothing about the fundamental analysis will change). She had a HS boyfriend, 2 college boyfriends, 1 ONS in college at a keg party, a years-long drought after college, punctuated by a FWB, another LTR, then got married to someone else at 27. That's 7 partners. That's also 2 "casual" partners (I'…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/19 02:15 AM
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Look, I get the knee-jerk reaction to the incel moaning. It's very hard to hear something from somebody who either (a) grossly overstates something, or (b) is a jerk, or (c) both. But, c'mon! It is very difficult for the average man to find sex or an LTR. It is easier for an older man to find an LTR, it is true, but not with somebody he'd prefer to be with or, frankly, would really prefer to be with him. It is almost impossible for a man to not be in 1-3 long- or shorter term relationships integ…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/19 01:48 AM
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fucking rednecks who do little but work manual labor and smoke and drink, AKA "my people" by birthright
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/19 05:06 AM
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Yes, I understand. But, it is disingenuous to suggest that what many of the comments here mean is not, "does not affect my SO's interior monologue about me." It does, even if it is not vocalized or lead to breakups.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/19 05:06 AM
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Personally, I am quite ambivalent about the effect of a woman's n-count. I can certainly see the pseudoscience and the hypocrisy for what they are. But, I do want to take issue with one motif I see here, time and time again: The idea that men (writ large) don't care and/or never think/talk about it outside of Reddit. I've been in male groups all my life, including groups of literally all PhDs in various subjects (not just STEM), team sports athletes on college and post-college teams, fucking red…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/19 12:16 AM
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Is this a young man thing about the face? As long as a woman is not disfigured, the body is so much more important to me as to be the only thing that matters. This is for casual sex, LTR, anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/19 12:00 AM
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This studies wasn't done now, it was done almost a decade ago on a site that's way less popular than modern dating apps. This suggests you think the results would be different on any modern dating site. That's ridiculous. They would be exactly the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/19 02:39 AM
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It's just a probability distribution that shows up a lot. It's a distribution that obtains when there is a finite resource/pool and considerable demand. Land, wealth, targets for optimization in a system, WAR in baseball, women looking for casual sex-- all examples where something is finite and there are demands for it. Women's attention on OLD apps is finite and constrained. Men's attention is much larger and not very well constrained (we swipe right on anything). Of course Pareto obtains in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/19 10:55 PM
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Lancelot and Guinevere aren't about sexual attraction. They are about romantic love. There's a lot of difference between the Morte' L&G and, say, the Tennyson G. They are about both courtly love and raw sexual desire. To make that a binary choice is naive and, frankly, laughable. He's deeply scornful of people who hold that view. This is obvious in his work, yes? Why would he need to comment on it? and the Scottish Play... I see. So, the Thane of Glamis did all that shit his Lady suggested becau…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/19 04:50 PM
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That is only a very convenient reading of the scenario. It depends wholly on your metal images of Brad and Becky. Brad is kale. If Brad were ice cream, Becky would *have ice cream in her possession." I.e., the die would be cast: She's gonna pig out on the sundae! But, she doesn't have ice cream. She has something lesser. Therefore, she can reflect, plan, strategize, and deploy tactics about how to maximize the benefit of the thing she does have in her possession. You (and others) are just trying…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/19 04:41 PM
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And....all of Arthurian legend? Even the parts about the beauty of voluntary male chastity (Sir Galahad)? Or the racial stuff? Arthurian legend has one central theme, and only one central theme: Lancelot and Guinevere. The rest is window dressing. both Tolstoy and Shakespeare have much to say on the subject Agreed! They have a lot to say about the difference between sexual attraction and romantic love. Like, a lot. It's almost as if that's all they want to talk about...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/19 04:29 PM
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You still like the taste and crave ice cream just the same YES!!! You've got it: Nobody's "tastes" ever actually change. All that happens is that you might or might not figure out that indulging in that true taste could be bad for you. To wit: would be a wise decision for someone like her. But, no one wants to be kale and oatmeal!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/19 04:24 PM
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Real fringe shit. You know, crazy,non-canonical stuff like The Odyssey, all of Arthurian legend, Ethan Frome, etc. Stuff that nobody reads...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/19 04:21 PM
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Because...it's not some magic thing that turns of all other forms of thought. Actually, it does a very effective job of doing just that. I mean, 60-70% of all of Western literature and art is about the fact that it does just that!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/19 02:45 AM
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What's not to like? If Brad believes it: "Becky thinks I have real value and wants to ensure that she can always have me. She finds me more desirable than other men." That's great! Of course, it is also complete and utter bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/19 02:42 AM
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The scenario is the scenario. The interior dialogue of Becky is a lie, pure and simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/19 10:20 PM
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No. In fact she is MORE comforted by and thinks Brad is a better bet for long-term stability. She, indeed, does not want to be pumped and dumped, but because Brad is not attractive to her, she figures she is safe (i.e. likely successful) in manipulating him and his attraction to her. See how Brad might think this is an incredibly shitty deal? And, how he might be angry at someone trying to manipulate him in this manner?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/19 10:14 PM
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she wants control over access to her own body Of course. She should have absolute control over access to her body. That is her inviolable right. Brad requested access. He was refused. He then found out not all are refused. No need to request access again. Next.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/19 09:01 PM
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She is entitled to do so. Of course. She is entitled to do whatever she wants in this regard. It has nothing to do with her level of attraction to Brad Yes, it does. It has everything to do with her level of attraction to Brad. It's her right to do with her body as she sees fit, but to suggest that this blatant, explicit, raw form of manipulation is anything other than just that is straightforwardly dishonest.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/19 08:57 PM
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This is a good gedanken experiment right up until: she did have a few casual NSA encounters, but they left her feeling empty, and she ties sex and emotion closely together, so it wasn't for her. This explanation fits perfectly into the narrative. However, it is a lie no matter how it is presented. If she actually does "ties sex and emotion closely together," she wouldn't have been having casual sex ever. If, rather, she means that she now, "ties sex and emotion closely together," she's just lyin…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/19 07:28 PM
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LTR that grew out of casual sex? Cool, cool. LTR where you had to wait one nanosecond longer than anyone else to have sex? She's not attracted to you! She was never attracted to you! Run!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/19 06:33 PM
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I'm mid-40's. Women my age are two, distinct populations: pretty well preserved; still hot absolute hags BMI spans these two categories, to some limited extent. There are a lot of 45-yr-old women who would look a lot better with just a little extra weight (they are so thin they look wizened). However, the big thing is all the single mothers. It's perfectly natural: At this age, many women are mothers, and they are (almost) always single if they are looking to date. It's just a huge complication.…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/19 02:14 AM
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because i'm right I don't even think you think you are right.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/19 03:01 AM
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See: I could answer with something like, "Well, it's subjective, isn't it?" But, what's the point? Those two women are not 7's in any rational universe. You are just being contrarian about this particular point. But--why?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/19 02:37 AM
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Lucy Pinder and Jessica Bartlett are among the top right now. Yes: Those 2 women are among the most attractive I have ever seen.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/19 02:35 AM
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I have never been unhappy with the notion of paying for dates or "helping women." These are things that a gentlemen does. All being aware has changed is that understand the impact of these actions (i.e. they mean jack shit) on my chances of getting laid. This realization has greatly, "improved my mindset." I am able to function as a gentleman unencumbered by expectations. Indeed, if I am truly honest, it makes my enjoyment of doing these things a bit greater, as the moral high ground I inhabit a…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/19 03:52 PM
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I have male friends who would murder for me, hide me from the police, or house and clothe me for arbitrary lengths of time. I'll take that level of true support over any number of superficial actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/19 12:04 AM
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The Venus of Willendorf is about 30,000 years old. The American media is... younger than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/19 04:38 PM
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This rings true. I will admit I only realized in recent years how many women really like meaty thighs on men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/19 05:42 AM
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This is nonsensical word salad. The paper says almost exactly what is in the OP, and the word "ripped" appears nowhere in OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/19 05:35 AM
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and prefer men who look like they know what they’re doing We hear repeatedly here on PPD that Chad rarely manages to get his conquest off during a ONS. But, Chad fucks. So, either: Women are absolutely terrible at determining a man "knows what he is doing" by looking (observing outside the bedroom), or This is utter bullshit and Chad fucks because he's attractive and that's what women select for. I have a hunch which of these is true...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/19 05:32 AM
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I have listed a set of traits (in another thread) that is characteristic of trash humans, i.e. assholes. What do you, OP, think an asshole is? Do they need to be a murderer? Just a pathological liar? /u/Salty-Bastard's comment seems, to me, to be an excellent summary that any reasonable set of human beings could agree is "asshole": assholes are people who denigrate other people, attack their weaknesses and self-respect, bully people, generally embarrass and break down other people to make themse…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/19 05:48 AM
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"OK, that was excruciating. Why don't you go get me a drink?" <takes a guy's lighter, smirks> "No, it's mine now." Talking over--i.e. increasing the volume of my voice to an uncomfortable level, even for a bar--a person in mid-speech. Say absolutely nothing of note in this exercise. "What size are your shoes? Like...7? Dude, you have tiny feet!" (Completely apropos of nothing else that was said) Sickly sweet to the server, but upon their departure: "I think I should have talked slower... not a r…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/19 02:07 AM
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This is completely contrary to my experience. I can be "myself" (whether you would call that interesting or not is, of course, a matter of separate debate) and get absolutely no interest from women whatsoever. I can make a simple change: be an obvious asshole. This is like catnip. I get women giving IOI's left and right. Do I become "more interesting" when I go into (completely affected) asshole mode? It's possible: I do actively interfere with other people and their conversations. But, that's a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/19 11:32 PM
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It totally grosses me out. I couldn't care less about the legs or the pubis, and I know that hairy is the natural state of female human underarms. Nevertheless, I can't do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/19 08:41 PM
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1) nope 2) That she keeps her underarms shaved. I'm completely serious: That's it, and it's iron-clad. 3) Of course not.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/19 04:23 PM
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Kim Kardashian is vapid, silly, and famous for no reason at all. But, she is hot as fuck: her body is a walking wet dream.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/19 02:35 AM
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Xifaxan has been shown to work for flares. The notion is that the flora are going nuts (perhaps, as you suggest, because of some external stimulus like antibiotics). You kill off the bloom with the antibiotics. They worked for my ex-wife for the worst flares.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/19 03:33 AM
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Ex-wife had it. Go to an MD and get antibiotics and prednisone. If those work, you gotta explore other treatments.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/19 03:04 AM
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All accurate after, "THERE SHE PROCEEDS..." Also, true because OF ALL THE FUCKING CAPS! Because women SCREAM ALL THE FUCKING TIME!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/19 03:02 AM
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Your attitude seems reasonable to me. I will point out, however: This obvious negging got you thinking, and doubting, ...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/19 08:55 PM
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Dumbass is trying to neg you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/19 03:50 AM
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All of this is accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/19 03:49 AM
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