tshifter Archive

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6	Getting Fuckzoned is worse than being Friendzoned Got it. OP is saying it hurts more because she already traded sex, a woman's most valuable resource, and was still unable to secure a relationship. Thus she feels it is a worse experience because she has invested more. She's wrong though, it's roughly the same phenomenon. People without backbone stay too long in situations that aren't serving them in hopes that the other person will eventually give them what they want. Women pull the same trick where they string men along for whatever value they…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/22 12:26 AM
11	Getting Fuckzoned is worse than being Friendzoned The girl wants a relationship, she wants more than just sex. So does the guy, but he isn't getting either. That’s why going on dates, laughing together, holding hands is painful because it won’t amount to anything. With guys getting rejected there’s no investment, Women do the same thing, they'll go on dates for an extended amount of time with no intention of moving to anything further. I don't know why you're assuming there's never any investment because there often is.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/22 12:04 AM
8	Getting Fuckzoned is worse than being Friendzoned Well yeah, what guy wouldn't? lmao. Yeah, so I don't really see how this comparison is gonna work. As a man I don't really understand why it's worse to be "fuckzoned" from a woman's perspective. What you're saying is that he'll have sex with but he won't commit to you. But in "friend zone" situation she won't have sex or commit to you, so you get neither. The only way I can see fuckzoned as being worse is if women would rather not have sex.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/10/22 11:50 PM
1	CMV: Dating for hetrosexual men isn't about getting a girl it's about finding someone who you are compatible it Doesn't matter how compatible you think you are if she doesn't want you. At it's heart dating for men is taking whatever you can get. You can argue that it's about becoming as attractive as possible to get access to the most attractive mate possible.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/10/22 11:33 PM
1	Dating spaces gaslight the absolutely living shit out of men I say that because despite being the one who insisted that we don't get physical she'd often break the rule she imposed. She said "no kissing" primarily, but she would occasionally kiss me even though she had set that rule. I could be wrong though, who knows.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/08/22 10:47 PM
1	How do some guys get laid or dates without having to make much effort or doing anything special? I already said she wasn't. But you speak with such confidence while I've seen at least one instance where you'd be wrong.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/08/22 10:42 PM
1	How do some guys get laid or dates without having to make much effort or doing anything special? So I was with a couple of female friends a few weeks ago, and one of them was trying to help the other to find a date. (I forget why she didn't want to use Bumble or whatever, but she didn't). I sat and listened to the helper throw out the names of single men she knew and each one was shot down with: - Too short (there were many too shorts) - Too fat - He's broke - etc. Eventually the helper gave up and was visibly frustrated, but it's clear to me that this particular woman is single because she…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/08/22 10:37 PM
11	How do some guys get laid or dates without having to make much effort or doing anything special? It's a harsh truth but if you struggled with girls during middle/high school it will be a long process till you get into a leveled Or college, but yeah. Dating is way harder as an adult. One massive difference is that when you're in school you just have a lot of access to women your age and there's no rush or pressure. You have forced interaction and you'll always be sure you'll see them again, you have more of a chance to grow on each other, and if it doesn't work out with one girl, there's 100…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/08/22 10:08 PM
60	Guys complain about being lonely/sexless but isn't it just survival of the fittest? Most of our parents shouldn't have reproduced and gave birth to us lol. Based on what? Their parents reproduced, why is it surprising that they would also reproduce? If you're going to make naturalistic arguments you're going to have to abandon notions of what should and shouldn't be. It doesn't matter if you personally think someone should or shouldn't reproduce, the fact that they did reproduce means that they were fit enough to reproduce, as far as nature is concerned that's all that matters.…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/08/22 07:42 PM
1	Is a person a hypocrite for being attracted to qualities they don't possess? Do they have an obligation to not be attracted to those qualities, or possess them themselves? Or you want them to be a virgin, because you believe that sex should be shared between life-long spouses, but you've slept around yourself. Virginity in men and virginity in women are two different things and can be based on two very different sets of values. Unless both parties are religious, it's very unlikely that they were saving themselves for marriage, so excluding this scenario virginity it is not hypothetical at all for a non-virgin man to want a virgin woman. Being a virgin woman can si…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/08/22 06:05 AM
2	Daily Community Chat Megathread Shouldn't women outperforming men by nearly every metric be reflected in lower rates of depression and anxiety? If women actually realized this, then maybe. But, they're also constantly told that they're disadvantaged prisoners in a man's world. If they think they're being oppressed and disadvantaged I don't think that the objective reality is going to have the positive effect it might have otherwise. However, I think that somewhere deep down a lot of women do hold out hope that some rich man is…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/08/22 01:50 AM
6	Daily Community Chat Megathread Isn't everyone more depressed and anxious than ever?	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/08/22 12:06 AM
3	Daily Community Chat Megathread that their situation sucks He says this and it's not their fault He doesn't say this. Tate is pretty big on personal responsibility really, in so much as he actually gives advice. He doesn't attribute blame to anyone else, I don't think that he even believes women have enough agency to be blamed.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/08/22 12:01 AM
1	What would you say to a man who didn’t DNA test his kids because he trusted his wife and she still cheated on him? 30% is low considering it’s shows that 30% of the men who suspected cheating were correct. This seems like a bold claim to me. We have no way of knowing how this percentage would change if you just tested the entire population.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/08/22 05:20 PM
1	What would you say to a man who didn’t DNA test his kids because he trusted his wife and she still cheated on him? Right, and I understand the limitation there, the fact that you are testing means you probably have reason to test. But, 30% is high. I'm not sure how we would jump from this to paternity fraud being rare.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/08/22 04:50 PM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread Depends on how old the adults are. Early 20s is pretty much the same thing. Most actual committed relationships start happening at late 20s to early 30s, before that they are mostly practice, even if they aren't consciously viewed that way.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/08/22 03:26 PM
6	Daily Community Chat Megathread How often does this "practice gf" shit happen. All the time. Nobody says it out loud, but how many people do you know that are planning to marry their first boyfriend/girlfriend. The vast majority of the time the plan is to trade up for a better partner some day.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/08/22 03:21 PM
1	What would you say to a man who didn’t DNA test his kids because he trusted his wife and she still cheated on him? Also, I’m pretty sure switched babies is even lower than paternity fraud, so not very significant. What are the rates of paternity fraud, cause you're asserting it's low, but I've seen some pretty high estimates.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/08/22 02:51 PM
9	What would you say to a man who didn’t DNA test his kids because he trusted his wife and she still cheated on him? I’ve repeatedly said I don’t support or condone paternity fraud. You say that, but this is probably as close to a defense of paternity fraud that could be written without sounding like a lunatic. This could easily be retrofitted into an argument for mandatory paternity tests. Be sure of the paternity of the child so that you don't start emotionally bonding before you know it's yours.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/08/22 02:44 PM
1	The average man has poor dating prospects in comparison to the average woman, what is something men can do to improve their SMV If that’s true then isn’t the reverse true? Why would this be the case? Sex is a major part of relationships, women don't get into relationships with men they don't want sex with. It's the same thing, women can just hold out until they find a partner.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/22 07:42 PM
4	The average man has poor dating prospects in comparison to the average woman, what is something men can do to improve their SMV The average woman has better prospects than the average man because men want sex more, thus women have greater negotiating power. Men are more likely to take whatever they can get while women are more likely to wait for what they want.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/22 07:08 PM
4	Men should shoot their shot. Always. Sorry if that makes you uncomfortable, women. When/where is it "okay" for a guy to show interest in a woman? If she isn't interested, then never. That's why OP is right you may as well approach regardless.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/22 06:05 PM
9	Men should shoot their shot. Always. Sorry if that makes you uncomfortable, women. Because women don't approach, they can't see the perspective.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/22 05:06 PM
1	I feel like social media has fucked women's perceptions of the opposite sex, far more than porn has for men. don't remember the days where you had to court a woman by being cute and wholesome and then marry her even though she's disgusted by the thought of having sex with you. The past we all long for. "cute and wholesome" is "creepy and desperate" today. Maybe it always was. Women are having sex, while you're playing the "meet cute, restaurant, museum, poems, chocolate and flowers" game with her, she'll be having sex with someone she actually likes for nothing. If you need to spend money in order for …	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/22 09:21 PM
1	I feel like social media has fucked women's perceptions of the opposite sex, far more than porn has for men. I'm 28, so it's not like I'm a decade removed from that age bracket. My friends and classmates weren't that good looking, at least for the most part. Maybe 1 or 2, not any significant number. Most have always been in worse shape, and had more obvious facial flaws, at least to me.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/22 09:12 PM
1	I feel like social media has fucked women's perceptions of the opposite sex, far more than porn has for men. Where you're confusing me is that these men are way better looking than most men I actually know. If you're telling me they aren't as attractive as Bradley Cooper, Chris Hemsworth or like Jensen Ackles or whoever then sure, but I don't see men who are that good looking every day. Sure if I'm outside in a highly populated area, then I'll likely see someone as good looking as Andy Sandberg or Tom Holland. But if I just stroll around my neighborhood, I definitely won't see someone that attractive. …	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/22 08:54 PM
1	I feel like social media has fucked women's perceptions of the opposite sex, far more than porn has for men. We all do. Which is why I'd assume it's what is happening here. It still seems crazy to me that you'd say these men are average.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/22 08:43 PM
1	I feel like social media has fucked women's perceptions of the opposite sex, far more than porn has for men. "ignoring" as in not even realizing they exist. It'd be pretty easy to assume there are more attractive people if your brain just kinda skips over the unattractive ones.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/22 08:24 PM
1	I feel like social media has fucked women's perceptions of the opposite sex, far more than porn has for men. 30% sounds like a lot to me. But it's your perception, there's no way for me to argue what you find attractive. I'd just say to be careful that you aren't just subconsciously ignoring all the men who are less attractive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/22 08:10 PM
6	I feel like social media has fucked women's perceptions of the opposite sex, far more than porn has for men. I see better looking guys all the time just walking outside That wouldn't necessarily make them average though. I see plenty of women I find more attractive than Emma Watson all the time, however she's obviously more attractive than most women, that's above average. If you say that you find about half the men you see more attractive than Tom Holland, then sure, it's safe to say he's about average. However, if it's only the minority of men you find more attractive, then he's clearly above average…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/22 03:41 PM
6	I feel like social media has fucked women's perceptions of the opposite sex, far more than porn has for men. They all look pretty handsome to me. Maybe as a man I see them differently, but there's hardly any men I know who I would assess as being nearly as attractive as any of these 3.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/22 03:09 PM
9	I feel like social media has fucked women's perceptions of the opposite sex, far more than porn has for men. He is very average looking, so is Tom Holland, Andy Sandberg and Andrew Garfield. Yo I must be hideous, my word. These guys are what's considered average? That's absolutely crazy to me.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/22 02:56 PM
6	I feel like social media has fucked women's perceptions of the opposite sex, far more than porn has for men. Porn has brainwashed all men into thinking that all women should be completely hairless. Has it? Anecdotally, the first time I had sex the woman asked me to shave before meeting up. I've never requested that a woman shave, but they just kinda always do. I’m also pretty sure all the top porn actresses look completely the same. I never hear men talk about a celebrity being attractive that isn’t incredibly skinny. Agreed, top porn actresses mostly look young and thin. Whoever there are a lot of wom…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/22 02:15 PM
2	Daily Community Chat Megathread It's because they're only as adults starting to seriously look at dating. Everyone gets that more attractive people get more attention. I don't think that until you start seriously looking for a partner that you realize how singularly important looks are.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/22 03:01 PM
2	The Rise of The Single Lonely Male Accidentally hit send before I was done. Edited it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/08/22 04:32 PM
1	The Rise of The Single Lonely Male I don't know what kind of efforts women go through to attract men, but in this line of discussion you're the only one mentioning women putting in any effort. The women on the thread seem to disagree with you. What I'm being told is that women don't really need men, so they need to be sold on the idea.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/08/22 04:29 PM
3	The Rise of The Single Lonely Male Read what I'm responding to. Women don't really want men apparently, so women aren't going to put in effort to get it. It's up to the man to convince her that she should bother to spend time with him.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/08/22 03:15 PM
3	The Rise of The Single Lonely Male Exclusively. Nothing but the boys.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/08/22 05:19 AM
11	The Rise of The Single Lonely Male I don't think it's that women like assholes, I just think that someone who has traits women like is more likely to come across as an asshole. Women like strong, assertive and confident. People who have these traits are more likely to come into conflict with others. I think generally, when a man says a guy is an asshole he means, "That man can get attention from women even though he isn't bending his back in half to win her approval like I would", and when a woman calls a man an asshole she means…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/08/22 12:23 AM
-1	The Rise of The Single Lonely Male You missed the point entirely. Men view and treat women as objects, as in, like for most of human history - we're simply putting out the same energy we're receiving here Yes, the sisterhood came together and decided this, it couldn't possibly just be that men are hornier and thus more motivated to seek sex. Also the whole "level up" argument you're making is silly - you're simply trying to refute my points now by being overly semantic and taking the literal definition of my words and ignoring th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/08/22 12:12 AM
6	The Rise of The Single Lonely Male I also don't actually need a male partner to get off if I so desire and no, for most women, sex with a strange man is absolutely not normally preferable to going solo. It's not a "reward" but something I genuinely enjoy doing with someone I actually enjoy spending time with, if I don't like you then why on earth would I bother? Right, so a man's objective then is to become someone you like so that he can have sex with you. You don't really need/want men, so he has to better himself so that you'l…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/08/22 11:55 PM
15	The Rise of The Single Lonely Male The men want women or access to women The women don't actually want men all that much While I agree with this statement, there are a couple of obvious implications to this that I feel get ignored. I've heard it asked why men often see sex as a reward, but it's because of this. Women don't really want men, so if a man can get sex from a woman, it's because he's earned it. It's not an equal act between 2 people, sex is a prize a man has won from a woman for being worthy. Similarly it makes all the…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/08/22 11:28 PM
2	Q4ALL: How common do you think Foodie Calls are? I get all of that, but you seem to be jumping around the fact that one of the main reasons people get into relationships is because they're sexually attracted to each other. Nobody is jumping into relationships with someone they think is ugly. It doesn't matter if your partner is a man or a woman, if they don't want to have sex with you, they aren't going to date. Thus obviously if you're dating someone you are hoping to at some point have sex with them. If you didn't want to have sex with them …	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/08/22 03:20 PM
5	Isnt this deception? (Fuckboys x bf material) "I never said I wasn't married"	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/08/22 03:10 PM
3	Q4ALL: How common do you think Foodie Calls are? This response is so weird. Do you think a woman would date you without sex then? As in you'll remain both monogamous and celibate?	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/08/22 02:56 PM
5	Q4ALL: How common do you think Foodie Calls are? Would you date a man you would never have sex with ?	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/08/22 02:32 PM
3	Q4ALL: How common do you think Foodie Calls are? You've met men who would date you if you told them you'd never have sex with them ?	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/08/22 02:19 PM
10	Isnt this deception? (Fuckboys x bf material) I see the ladies work with a very narrow definition of "deception".	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/08/22 02:14 PM
3	Worried about foodie calls and pump-and-dumps are overblown I'd prefer to have sex with someone and then get ghosted, but maybe that's just me.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/08/22 02:29 AM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread What exactly is the problem then? Cause unless it is that after a woman declares that she is waiting to have sex all her options completely dry up, then I don't see the issue. It sounds to me more like women aren't interested in the men who are willing to wait for sex. Because if a woman, especially a young woman, is waiting for sex she's still going to have men interested. Of course the most attractive men will be less likely to wait for sex, so that seems to be the heart of the complaint. I ca…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/22 09:53 PM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread Women who choose to wait but not all the way until marriage are mitigating the risks to some extent, and also just… doing what they want instead of whatever it is you want them to do. You seem to think I personally care what women do. I'm just saying that having to deal with men who don't want to commit is a non-issue, cause all you have to do is not have sex with men until they commit. If you want to have sex earlier, that's fine, it just means that you're ok with the risk, in which case I don'…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/22 09:26 PM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread You said that not fucking on the man’s schedule was like the “having your cake” part, and getting a desirable man to commit and not dump her after sex is the “eating it” part. I said literally the opposite. Having sex without commitment is "having your cake", also not having to deal with men who want commitment free sex is "eating it too". Find me where I ever suggested having sex. This is very black and white with no nuance. She could also just, you know, get to know the guy and see if he’s a t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/22 09:21 PM
31	Dating spaces gaslight the absolutely living shit out of men You don't even have to change the scenario. If a man was having sex with ex's , but decided he was going to wait 3 months for his new gf she'd be upset. As a matter of fact a woman would be upset if you denied her sex in any capacity.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/22 08:24 PM
1	I don’t see anything wrong with pumping and dumping a woman That's way too complicated of a question for me to answer I think. Honestly, if a group of men decided to try and "normalize" going dutch, most other men would just call them broke incels, because they think sucking up to women is going to get them laid. But generally yeah, men have as much power as women to change what's socially acceptable, there's just not enough incentive to do so. I don't think men that pay for dates really have a problem paying for dates, so much as they have a problem not…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/22 07:22 PM
1	I don’t see anything wrong with pumping and dumping a woman Nobody likes being used, but I don't think generally women have a problem using men like this, or that it's considered taboo to do it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/22 07:12 PM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread It's having your cake and eating it too because you want : Desirable men non religious men to able to keep having sex without risking being "pumped and dumped" These things are in conflict. If you want to keep having sex with desirable men, who aren't religious, you're going to have to accept the risk that some of them will have sex with you then leave.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/22 06:49 PM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread Are you responding to a post you read last week or something? I don’t really see why you think women being allowed to refuse sex until they’re comfortable is somehow cruel or unfair or greedy or entitled or whatever you’re claiming. I never claimed any of this, the original context of this was that OP said most of women's options are invalid because they just want sex and won't have a relationship/marry them. I suggested if you don't want to deal with that then just don't have sex until marriage…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/22 06:37 PM
3	Daily Community Chat Megathread They act like teenage boys when they're actually attracted to someone. Sex is all they talk about.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/22 06:16 PM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread Became men want women more than women want men. Women don't really have to try to impress most men. Why would they bother? Someone is going to date them whether they do it or not.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/22 06:07 PM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread Men want sex, as long as you're making it available men will take. If you don't want that then don't give it up. If sex is too good to give up, well then you'll just have to deal with it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/22 05:45 PM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread I’m still not sure how waiting for marriage is “having your cake and eating it too”. It's not. Wanting to be able to have sex when you want, but also not have to worry about men you want a relationship with using you for sex, is having your cake and eating it too.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/22 05:41 PM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread Could also just date losers, life is all about tradeoffs.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/22 04:25 PM
2	Daily Community Chat Megathread , it think women are super lucky that men want to dump fucks into them They are. Every relationship you've ever been in was initiated because the man wanted sex with you. If he didn't he want to have sex with you, you wouldn't have been in a relationship. Imagine being in sales and complaining about free leads. Cause that's what you're doing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/22 03:42 PM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread Works better if more women do it. A guy with options isn't realistically going to wait till marriage in today's world, but you can't have your cake and eat it. There are some decent religious men out there that would be down to wait, other than that there are some men out there who aren't super popular with women who may not be so bad as partners. Luckily if she's not in a rush to have sex she can take her time getting to know them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/22 03:15 PM
2	Daily Community Chat Megathread Don't have sex till marriage and the problem is solved. If all the men disappear after you make that clear then that's good right? Now you'd only have to deal with men who are willing to marry you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/22 03:03 PM
0	I don’t see anything wrong with pumping and dumping a woman So are you also saying there is nothing wrong with women using men for a free meal? Does anyone say there is anything wrong with this? It's completely socially acceptable as far as I know.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/22 01:27 PM
7	CMV: There are far more “Amber Heard’s” out there than women let on. It was your analogy...	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/08/22 04:43 AM
2	If standards are 'on the floor' for men, how high is the floor? It's not that they should do that, they don't have another choice, they have to do that. But it's definitely harder to find each other that way just because interests tend to be favored by one gender or the other.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/08/22 01:59 AM
4	If standards are 'on the floor' for men, how high is the floor? The problem with boring people is that its hard for them to find each other. Cause they're boring. They aren't visible.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/08/22 01:52 AM
4	If standards are 'on the floor' for men, how high is the floor? I think a lot of the reason you see this is because men who are the type to do this like buying flowers and other gifts, especially early in a relationship, are also not the ones who are very successful. Anybody who makes gestures to win women's approval is likely to be seen as unattractive. If buying flowers got more men success with women, then more men would do it. But things like that don't generally help you, they hurt you. Women like getting flowers, sure, but she's not going to like a guy…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/08/22 01:27 AM
7	If standards are 'on the floor' for men, how high is the floor? I know that there are some men like that who have a lot of success with women No job Constantly insulting Cheats Doesn't take care of their kids I also know a lot of guys who would never do any of those things who can't get a girl to smile at them to save their lives. Thinking about it, I think the difference between the two types of men that I'm talking about is that the former group is more exciting. Guys who are very good boys are likely to be boring and too timid to risk offending women. I g…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/08/22 12:54 AM
1	“it” factor can even the field tremendously regardless of status, genetics, money etc. This is fair. But, I think it's a little different with charisma than other personality traits, just due to charismatic people's ability to hold attention. If a woman isn't physically attracted to you she's not really going to engage in conversation with you, so she has no idea what your personality is, so in that case it doesn't matter. I think it'd would be more accurate to say "personally doesn't matter if the woman isn't physically attracted to you", which I don't think anyone disagrees with…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/08/22 11:51 PM
1	Lowering ones standards is impossible I don't think that changing the term solves the problem. I've seen a few arguments between people where they can't agree on the definition of "high value". When men use "high value", they tend to mean "a man who is easily able to get women to sleep with them" and women tend to mean, "a man who I would like to be in a relationship with". I think the man definition makes more sense as it's less subjective, but maybe we need to just spell out what we mean rather than use "high value" at all.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/08/22 11:30 PM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread Disagree. I'm considerably more confident approaching women now than I was a few months ago, and that is due in part to the fact that this sub has made me more misogynistic and thus I care less what strange women think of me.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/08/22 09:23 PM
2	Daily Community Chat Megathread Women don't really know the difference though. I feel like the 6 foot minimum thing is really just something women are doing, because other women do it. Like some celebrity or influencer said it, and now tonnes of women parrot it. Women like tall for sure, but I don't think they care about the exact height as they think.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/08/22 08:54 PM
8	Dating spaces gaslight the absolutely living shit out of men It doesn't matter what his definition of average is. Average number of lifetime sexual partners is between 4 and 8 depending on your source, 30 is way above average. So idk, maybe you're just an outlier.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/08/22 07:45 PM
19	Dating spaces gaslight the absolutely living shit out of men but three months? And a month without kissing? It's a tactic some women use because they think having sex too soon kills the relationship. I had an ex that did this. Would reject kissing early in the relationship, saying she needed to wait longer (even though she would periodically break her own rule), it was about 2 months, I think, before we would kiss regularly (without her talking about it being too soon). And it was about ~6 months before we had sex. Turns out she had gotten advice from her…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/08/22 04:49 PM
12	Dating spaces gaslight the absolutely living shit out of men She should just leave, I don't know why you believe she would just leave. If she wants him, she'll live with insecurity for as long as she can take it, just like men do.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/08/22 04:19 PM
1	Women claim all guys, even below average men, struggle because they all want "hot supermodel stacies" and yet they defend women who have delusional, unrealistic standards Lol, I actually think so. 10 years maybe 20 years, I think we'll start to see this becoming a pretty common situation.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/08/22 07:06 PM
2	Women claim all guys, even below average men, struggle because they all want "hot supermodel stacies" and yet they defend women who have delusional, unrealistic standards I'm not trying to put you in line, but as you say , knowingly or not, young women are juggling the same few guys. Unless a man is particularly attractive, his standard is irrelevant. Dating isn't a challenge for women, they don't need to meet any standard, if you don't want her, someone else will take her. Unless all men, or at least most men, suddenly start holding to standards the same way women do, men's standards don't matter. And that's not going to happen, because men want women more than …	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/08/22 06:09 PM
0	Women claim all guys, even below average men, struggle because they all want "hot supermodel stacies" and yet they defend women who have delusional, unrealistic standards Are you telling men to be more reasonable and just date fat women? If you have a choice, then no. But you know that a lot of guys don't have a choice. At least in my experience men aren't really picking and choosing. So sure if you're attractive and can get women who meet your standard, but if you can't then...what are you gonna do ?	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/08/22 05:47 PM
0	Women claim all guys, even below average men, struggle because they all want "hot supermodel stacies" and yet they defend women who have delusional, unrealistic standards I'm sorry but you can't tell me that men's standards (not being fat, being nice) are more unrealistic than women's standards when women only deem 0.003% of the population as meeting up to their standard. Lol, I never said they were, I never compared the two standards at all. However, the "not overweight" barrier alone is enough to cut out half of all women, for better or worse, it's getting to the point that "not overweight" is an unrealistic standard. Men like women more than women like men. Su…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/08/22 05:37 PM
6	Women claim all guys, even below average men, struggle because they all want "hot supermodel stacies" and yet they defend women who have delusional, unrealistic standards Exactly. Honestly though, I don't think "not overweight" is the standard most people go by. As you point out most people are overweight, even attractive people. I think it's really, "not obese" and even then it's really closer to "not morbidly obese". All the same given "not overweight" is a shrinking minority, I think we can safely say "not overweight" is an unrealistic standard.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/08/22 04:29 PM
4	Women claim all guys, even below average men, struggle because they all want "hot supermodel stacies" and yet they defend women who have delusional, unrealistic standards men want cute, not overweight, agreeable, and a steady sex life. I've seen pretty good arguments here that this is too much to ask for. It doesn't sound like a lot, but most realistically most women aren't like this, so most men can't get this. The numbers don't lie, this standard is too high.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/08/22 04:14 PM
6	Women claim all guys, even below average men, struggle because they all want "hot supermodel stacies" and yet they defend women who have delusional, unrealistic standards Most women aren't as attractive as Emma Watson, but there are plenty of non-famous women I find more attractive than she is. Taste definitely comes into play I'm sure, when I was younger I did think she was extraordinarily attractive, now that I'm older, my opinion has changed.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/08/22 03:55 PM
6	There is zero point in being confident as a man if you’re physically unattractive. They're also, controlling access to the bar, women do respond to authority, which I suppose is correlated with confidence.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/08/22 06:41 AM
5	Q4W: How does women being able to"smell misoginy" line up with women who end up being in abusive relationships? I've read enough of these to know that they do somehow think that. I've told more than one of them that if one of the wonderful male acquaintances they had was an incel they wouldn't know, because they would never hear a word of complaint, but they don't believe me and think they're psychic.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/08/22 03:41 PM
1	Q4W: How does women being able to"smell misoginy" line up with women who end up being in abusive relationships? Nobody except the person in the situation can do anything about it. If you're being abused, nobody can save you, it has to be the victim's responsibility to get out of the situation. What else do you suggest? Education programs that say breaking laws is bad?	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/08/22 03:28 PM
1	Q4W: How does women being able to"smell misoginy" line up with women who end up being in abusive relationships? Leaving an abusive relationship cannot be always easy. Especially if you have like no support. I have a hard time believing this would be an acceptable excuse with flipped genders. For better or worse, we're responsible for ourselves. If you allow yourself to be in this position, it's on you. No amount of men holding other men accountable or whatever other suggestion was in the other thread is going to do anything to change this. Abusers aren't going to respond to finger wagging so long as they …	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/08/22 02:46 PM
1	Q4W: How does women being able to"smell misoginy" line up with women who end up being in abusive relationships? If someone is abusive, leave them. I don't even understand what the difficulty is.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/08/22 01:48 PM
1	Q4W: How does women being able to"smell misoginy" line up with women who end up being in abusive relationships? It has to be the woman's responsibility, nobody else can do anything about it. If a man is in an abusive relationship with a woman, same thing, it's the man's fault. When you're an adult you're responsible for yourself, nobody really cares about your problems. As long as abusive men get what they want, nothing will ever stop them from being abusive. If someone is abusive, leave them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/08/22 01:46 PM
9	Women here love to say that their privilege is limited to casual sex, but access to relationships and casual sex are two sides of the same coin At this point I'm not even sure I do. Maybe I'm just imagining them. Now I'm not sure they're real, but they certainly can't be serious.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/22 09:03 PM
16	Women here love to say that their privilege is limited to casual sex, but access to relationships and casual sex are two sides of the same coin What always gets me is that they say women's disadvantage is that their options are "all bad" while implying men's options are all good. Basically woman = good, man = bad.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/22 08:20 PM
3	Daily Community Chat Megathread I'm not even sane, but I am aware that I need a place to live and food to eat. But as long as I have shelter and food. I'll gladly trade everything else.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/22 07:16 PM
3	Daily Community Chat Megathread Still a yes from me, only one that's iffy for me is not getting a job, and even then if I was getting regular sex and had all my basic needs met, I don't think I'd care.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/22 07:11 PM
2	Daily Community Chat Megathread Like I can't vote or openly practice religion? I'll make that trade any day of the week personally.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/22 07:06 PM
1	The Wall Mega-Thread In highschool you didn't have a job. Money does make a difference. In fairness to the women at highschool age they probably didn't really know what they wanted. In hindsight you probably seem like a better prospect than they realized, given they have more dating experience now.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/22 04:16 PM
1	Guys cannot claim they have low standards if they wont date overweight women. The diet is the hard part for most people, not the training. Bare in mind most people have more fat to lose than muscle to gain. Maybe there's room for some chests , there certainly isn't room for "lots".	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/22 03:45 PM
1	Guys cannot claim they have low standards if they wont date overweight women. You also have guys training for far longer than 4 years, who aren't even close. Realistically not everyone can do it, on top of that, 4 years consistency is not easy, it's hard, and for a significant number of people it would take longer than 4 years (if ever).	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/22 03:36 PM
1	Guys cannot claim they have low standards if they wont date overweight women. I got chris hemsworth physiue with about 4 years consistent lifting of which only 2 years was a high protein diet. Wow! So when do you start your modeling career? Or have you started already? You should definitely be selling your program on theinternet.com for loads of money. Why couldn most men get hens worth physique? Theu wont have the exact appearance because every body is different. But they could carry the same amount of muscle mass at the same leanness level, adjusted upwards or downwards…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/22 03:10 PM
2	Guys cannot claim they have low standards if they wont date overweight women. Those physiques and the ifbb olympia classic physiues. When you get to higher levels like main stage olympia it seems women dont like them as much as the smaller guys Old school body builders like Arnold don't like those physiques either, I think this has more to do with competitors continually trying to 1-up each other than anybody's idea of a beauty standard. Its not hard with drugs, youd only need to lift a total of 6 hours per week. And the diet could easily be based around whole milk, fruit…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/22 02:27 PM
5	Guys cannot claim they have low standards if they wont date overweight women. The three men you listed are all unrealistically muscular. All 3 almost certainly abuse(d) anabolic steroids in addition to following incredibly strict diet and training regiments. No man is ever going to come close to looking like the Rock or Arnold without drugs, and even with drugs most aren't going to be able to do it, because it's: Too hard for people who have to work for a living And Requires the man to be genetically gifted	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/22 02:10 PM
2	Men do not value youth more than women due to biology, they just used to have the privilege of choosing partners based on looks This can't be true otherwise practically no women would be dating. Unless you mean morbidly obese rather than overweight.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/22 12:18 PM
2	Why do women push back so hard on the notion that dating may be easier for them? So you’re under the impression that once two people meet that fairy dust magic casts a spell and they live happily ever after? I'm sorry where did I imply this? This isn't a woman exclusive problem. Difference is that if you're a woman and you're not connecting with the person you're dating... Just replace him, it'll take you a week if you put any effort into it at all. What do you do to meet women? What’s your strategy? Right now I'm blasting everything I can. Joining any meetup group I find ev…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/07/22 01:20 AM
5	Why do women push back so hard on the notion that dating may be easier for them? Most of you don't do anything except pose and hope the person you're interested in approaches you. The reason you struggle to find someone you click with is precisely because of the refusal to take initiative. Of course you're left to filter through the men you're not interested in, you allow yourselves to be in that position. If dating is difficult for everyone, I don't know why you can't see having an easier time getting dates makes the entire process easier.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/22 11:12 AM
6	Why do women push back so hard on the notion that dating may be easier for them? I'm wondering if the women in this thread speak English. Easier is a comparative term. Just because you find some aspect of dating hard doesn't mean it's not easier than it is for a man. I see the majority of them listing an issue that men also have. If you're not clicking with the man you're currently dating, you can always just find another one. I know some of you don't think it's real, but I've seen too many guys who are literally dating the first woman to show them any attention.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/22 03:21 AM
10	Why do women push back so hard on the notion that dating may be easier for them? When women say “dating” we mean finding men we enjoy spending time with and are at least mildly attracted to. So ... why would it be easier as a man to find this? Dating is easier for women by any definition.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/22 03:10 AM
5	CMV: Lack of Sexual/Relational Attraction Isn't Attributed to a Lack of Self-Improvement or Concurrent Value Where I agree is that people make a lot of negative assumptions about men who aren't successful with women, because we've all been programmed to believe that if you can't find a relationship it's because you're a basement dwelling loser. Circumstances and luck do play a bigger role than a lot of us would like to think. That said, self improvement can make a massive difference, if there you identify certain traits that women like, your success is going to increase if you're able to develop these …	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/07/22 07:20 PM
1	Men are way hornier than women, and this is the cause of everything being discussed here. The fact that this is even disputed is proof that women are unable to have an honest discussion about dating and gender relations. Have you ever seen a single guy without options who has rejected any girl? Yes, but not often. There aren't many women such men would reject. Not that they really have the opportunity to do much rejecting anyway. And I am sure I am exactly like most guys in that regard. Don't know if most is true, but a lot for sure. I think if a man rejects a woman, for reasons other than not looking to date or already being in a relationship, then the man is likely significantly out of her league.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/07/22 07:02 PM
1	Men want the most sexual partners possible and women want the best. That's where our problems come from. I think it will depend on the exact position a man is in. I don't see how a man who struggles to get any success at all with women is going to care much about quality, just based on the way they have to approach dating.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/07/22 01:06 AM
4	Why don't the AFCs (average frustrated chumps) just go to Asia? If you mean to visit, then sure, lots of men could. I'm skeptical of the claim that men will have more success in Asia. Like I said, they're likely just after a green card.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/07/22 01:58 PM
11	Why don't the AFCs (average frustrated chumps) just go to Asia? OP also says most guys could go if they wanted. It's not true. There's next to no immigration path for a lot of these countries. Unless you're a millionaire, you're going to study, or you're exceptional in whatever field you work in, there's no way for you to move, certainly not permanently. Unless you plan to stay illegally.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/07/22 01:52 PM
34	Why don't the AFCs (average frustrated chumps) just go to Asia? You seem to think it's easy to just go to Asia. How exactly do you suggest someone just migrate to a country they have no ties to and no connections in? You can't just buy a plane ticket and go, these countries have laws. If you're American these women don't want you, you're a bank account and a green card to them. You can make the offer to marry one, don't doubt you'd get one.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/07/22 01:43 PM
1	Even if personality matters more then looks, that doesn’t make things better It's an absolute, the more attractive you are the less effort it takes to win a partner and it's the same for both men and women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/22 09:46 PM
4	Even if personality matters more then looks, that doesn’t make things better Not every hot person, is compatible with every other person. People are more likely to claim they like a hot person's personality or "vibe" more than an unattractive person's, how you look has an effect on what people perceive your personality to be. The difference between "charming" and "corny" or "creepy" has a lot to do with how a person looks.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/22 07:19 PM
5	Even if personality matters more then looks, that doesn’t make things better I don't see why that matters. Fairly tall, fairly lean, fairly muscular, good hair and handsome covers the vast majority of women. It's not all that variable.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/22 06:11 PM
4	Even if personality matters more then looks, that doesn’t make things better Right, so by this logic. Looks matter far more than personality. Everyone has a personality and everyone's personality is bound to be compatible with someone else's personality, so if you're good looking you'll find someone and if you're not good looking, you'll get friend zoned.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/22 05:43 PM
6	Even if personality matters more then looks, that doesn’t make things better Sure, if there's an obvious red flag. Can you also look at an objectively unattractive man and tell that he is compatible? Truth is that most women aren't going to give a man they don't find attractive 2 seconds to even learn what their personality is like, so their personality doesn't matter.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/22 05:36 PM
3	Even if personality matters more then looks, that doesn’t make things better Whether or not somebody finds your personality compatible has a lot to do with how you look. People project positive qualities unto people they find attractive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/22 05:31 PM
1	What would your recommended course of action be for a man in a similar situation? I don't think guys who are 6' and taller would have a problem dating a woman under 5' though, so he's still gonna have a hard time competing. It just sucks to be that short.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/22 03:08 PM
4	You Can't Claim Alpha Fux Beta Bux Isn't Real And At The Same Time Say You Had Sex With A Guy You Didn't Want A Relationship With If you're saying both genders have similar behavior in this regard, then I agree. Difference being that the men who would be considered beta in this scenario, probably weren't fucking very much until women their age were ready to settle down.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/22 02:59 AM
3	You Can't Claim Alpha Fux Beta Bux Isn't Real And At The Same Time Say You Had Sex With A Guy You Didn't Want A Relationship With I'm not in a position to tell you how often this happens, but it does happen. I don't know if it's always that the woman is settling, or if it's just that the traits they prioritize in a partner change, but there are some men that women end up marrying when they are older that they wouldn't have given the time of day when they were younger. The question of what changed would have to be taken on a case by case basis, but at least some of these cases are the AF/BB dynamic.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/22 01:49 AM
2	You Can't Claim Alpha Fux Beta Bux Isn't Real And At The Same Time Say You Had Sex With A Guy You Didn't Want A Relationship With And despite the claims of unhappy, resentful men on here, women aren't all "settling" for betas because we can't get alphas to commit. I'm with my #1 choice man whom I also slept with on date 2. You are only a single data point to be fair. There are some men who are able to get women to have casual sex with them, and there are some who are not. Both of these classes of men are likely to eventually find a long term relationship. Whether or not it's really settling or not, from a man's perspective…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/22 12:06 AM
8	Women are absolutely clueless as to how much more difficult dating is for men Ok, so what you're saying is that OLD should be completely disregarded until it is the absolute majority method of dating, got you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/07/22 11:36 PM
12	Women are absolutely clueless as to how much more difficult dating is for men Unless you're suggesting that the popularity of online dating is going to decrease in the near future, it doesn't matter if it's trash, it's relevant. 39% is a big number, I don't see how you can argue that OLD isn't something worth considering, given it's likely to be the way most couples meet in the near future.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/07/22 11:22 PM
14	Women are absolutely clueless as to how much more difficult dating is for men Yes, but it's still a common tool. I don't know why you feel the need to discount OLD.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/07/22 11:11 PM
4	the forsure way you know they desire you is usually during sex Did you learn to love yourself after people started loving you? What does loving yourself look like in this context? "Women think I'm disgusting, but that's ok". I know people tend to exaggerate their flaws due to insecurity, but people (men and women alike) do treat unattractive people with less respect.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/07/22 07:11 PM
6	the forsure way you know they desire you is usually during sex Sure, but it's easier to be confident when you're attractive. I don't believe people who say their confidence isn't affected by external feedback, they are either lying or don't know what it's like to receive nothing but negative feedback all their lives.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/07/22 07:00 PM
2	Question for woman: Who is the "highest value man" who has pursued you? What part of that sounds arrogant? Other men want to be like him. Other women want him. Doesn't say anything about him, apart from the fact that he has qualities that people find desirable.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/07/22 06:02 PM
3	the forsure way you know they desire you is usually during sex If you dating him is predicted on him paying for a date, then you don't really desire him, I say this because I guarantee there's some guy who got away with just going on a walk or whatever, while another is expected to feed you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/07/22 02:53 AM
1	the forsure way you know they desire you is usually during sex Not really the point, women who go to the club are going to post their outfit on social media, it doesn't matter if you show it to the guy you're texting, he's gonna see it anyway. However, when women aren't really attracted to a man, they will pretend he's done something offensive, even if you've been on a couple dates. They like to pretend that they aren't interested in sex or sexual attention when they aren't attracted to the man they are talking to, regardless of whether or not they've agree…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/07/22 02:22 AM
3	the forsure way you know they desire you is usually during sex When women don't like you, the slightest thing becomes offensive. "👀 What you wearing to the club tonight." Becomes creepy and sleazy and may as well have been : "Come on baby lemme see you naked." That's what I mean by pretending to be a prude.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/07/22 02:13 AM
6	the forsure way you know they desire you is usually during sex Lol, absolute jokers. I think 5'11 is plenty tall though. There are some women who do the strict 6 foot thing, but those women are the female equivalent of terminally online men. Unfortunately they are also attractive, otherwise nobody would take them seriously. I feel like the 6 foot thing is just some nonsense that some women parrot from social media.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/07/22 01:32 AM
9	the forsure way you know they desire you is usually during sex Prey hopes predator pursues you mean. It's amazing how you think timidity is a virtue. Anyway, if when an acceptable predator decides to pursue you: you're not going to stare at your phone when he's trying to have a conversation with you. you're going to perceive any cheesy bullshit he says as witty. you're not going to take forever to text him back. you're not going to respond to sexual aggression by pretending to be a prude. These are the things women do when they are not interested or are luk…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/07/22 01:19 AM
8	the forsure way you know they desire you is usually during sex Who said women were stupid, men do the same thing. When women are around men they are attracted to, it's completely unambiguous. I've seen grown women in my friends dms asking for the opportunity to give him head. There's no cat and mouse and no nuance. When somebody wants you, they don't make it a secret.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/07/22 01:05 AM
4	Why some men's standards do NOT need to go up. I find the "men should raise their standards" thing pretty illogical. Men aren't really picking their partners, at least I don't think so. Doesn't really matter what my standards are, at the end of the day women are the ones with the options, they are the ones doing the choosing. I've seen the argument that men should stop liking every profile on dating apps, but I don't get how it makes sense. If I like 1000 girls and only 10 liked me back, if I like 100 profiles, then I expect only 1 will like…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/22 10:31 PM
3	Monkey Branching: The Best Mating Strategy For Men The idea of a "starter girlfriend" is messed up, women are people with emotions, not tools to be used. I try my best to treat people the way I would want to be treated and I wouldn't want to be anyone's "starter boyfriend". That said, I still agree with you. That's pretty much what dating is like right now anyway, nobody expects to marry their first boyfriend or girlfriend. We may cry when the other person hurts us, but most of us, men and women alike, do plan on trading up at some point. We don…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/22 10:22 PM
19	the forsure way you know they desire you is usually during sex Yeah, I think my experience here makes it hard to believe the whole "It's your awful personality" thing, when women say it. I know that women behave just like men when they actually find you attractive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/22 10:09 PM
6	the forsure way you know they desire you is usually during sex 5'11, just short of the magic number. Bare in mind this is when I was still more or less a kid though. I haven't grown since then, but some guys my age were still growing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/22 10:03 PM
28	the forsure way you know they desire you is usually during sex Let me tell you. I've had the experience of losing a lot of weight, even though I've gained it back since, but for the last year or 2 of highschool ( I grew up in a country where highschool is 7 years, not 4) I had gotten into distance running and weights and all of a sudden girls who had never said a word to me, except to insult me, for 5+ years wanted to be my friend. All of a sudden I was: Smart Funny Outgoing Have nice skin Getting invited to birthday parties Girls talking to me about sex Gi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/22 09:48 PM
9	I see a lot of "call outs" where women wish men would share their emotions more, and now men are pushing back saying when they do, it's weaponized against them. What's the healthy balance? The day I lost my virginity, it took my (male) dorm roomie 2 seconds to understand I had sex recently. This may have more to do with familiarity than ability to read emotion. I remember one afternoon after school I noticed a girl I found very attractive getting out of the pool. I nodded to my best friend at the time and he nodded back. I remember the two of us laughing about it because we were somehow through single nods able to communicate: I find that girl very attractive I concur, that girl i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/22 09:32 PM
37	the forsure way you know they desire you is usually during sex If someone desires you, you'll know because it will take exactly zero effort to get them to give you attention. You won't have to offer them anything. You won't have to pay for anything. You don't have to come up with anything clever to say. You won't get left on read. They'll be open to sex with minimal encouragement. You can tell if someone desires you way before you get them in bed. If you ever have to question whether or not a woman is interested in you, then she isn't. Same if you swap gend…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/22 09:11 PM
1	The most obvious sign of women having the upper hand in dating is how many dudes you see who are completely whipped by women far less attractive than them social acceptance of them Hell will freeze over first. Most women aren’t looking for casual sex, instead they would rather have a casual friendship so getting a guy to spend time with you as a woman without the prospect of sex makes most men run for the hill because ‘they have enough friends.’ This is true, but in my experience making friends with a woman that is not attracted to you isn't exactly easy either. I do think men and women are more alike than we realize a lot of the time. If a woman …	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/22 08:46 PM
2	The most obvious sign of women having the upper hand in dating is how many dudes you see who are completely whipped by women far less attractive than them Can’t guy friends that you go fishing with or play pool with make up for the lack of a romantic relationship so men don’t feel lonely? To some extent, but straight men desire women. I'll be the first to admit I'm not exactly Casanova, so don't take me to represent all men, but every time I contemplate breaking up with a woman, I do have to accept that I may not find another woman to go on a date with me for months, may not be able to get sex again (unpaid) for years. Some men want kids, it's put…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/22 07:18 PM
1	The most obvious sign of women having the upper hand in dating is how many dudes you see who are completely whipped by women far less attractive than them The argument is that something is better than nothing. I know you don't agree, but being lonely can be unbearable for some people, I don't think most women can appreciate that the same way because you don't really have to be alone if you don't want to.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/22 06:39 PM
4	Regarding rising 'sexlessness,' percentage of young people who've never had sex or a relationship do you think have never even made an effort? People do still socialize after college, it's just significantly harder. You're never again going to be surrounded by available people with similar experiences and life goals. You kinda have to start hunting for them. Going to meetups you're interested in and taking the initiative in developing relationships with people you meet. Vast majority of couples I know met in school, well in my age group (late 20s).	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/22 09:31 PM
4	It is unbelievable how hostile the mainstream is to even the most innocent attempt by men to "learn" anything dating, courtship or romance-related Who on God's green earth is vetting books on seducing women? Even better, read original and peer reviewed research. Right cause that's something laymen do all the time. Or is this an endorsement for r/BlackPillScience ?	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/22 06:33 PM
5	It is unbelievable how hostile the mainstream is to even the most innocent attempt by men to "learn" anything dating, courtship or romance-related My point is that your assertion that a book from some author is more valuable than a YouTube video from some guy with a camera is based on nothing. Also you have books published by the same redpill types, without some sort of guidance what stops a man from picking up one of those instead? YouTube = Bad Book = Good Is nonsense.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/22 06:27 PM
5	It is unbelievable how hostile the mainstream is to even the most innocent attempt by men to "learn" anything dating, courtship or romance-related Anyone with two braincells to rub together knows that YouTube isn’t a valid place to get information. You know anyone can publish a book and claim to be a relationship expert right? Except it’s clearly not working for men as it’s not increasing their ability to find a partner. Some say it's working for them, you make this statement like each man is working with the collective experience of all other men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/22 06:22 PM
6	It is unbelievable how hostile the mainstream is to even the most innocent attempt by men to "learn" anything dating, courtship or romance-related This is the same as saying get more into redpill. I don't know if you meant literally "go find a book". But without some sort of curation, what is the difference between picking advice from some author and picking advice from some redpill guru. Getting more into redpill is an active attempt to improve yourself.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/22 06:16 PM
4	The only way to success with women So where you need to be careful is that some women will happily accept expensive dates while having no interest in you. I don't really mind this when it happens, cause I'm usually just happy for the conversation, but it does happen pretty blatantly sometimes. You can definitely leverage money to convince women to enter into a relationship with you, but I don't know if that means she wants you. Having money will definitely help though, if nothing else it will increase your options. Some women wil…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/22 11:58 PM
13	CMV: Self-improvement and "loving yourself" are poor substitutes for romantic relationships Because you could be romantic with a man or with somebody you know would never fuck you. Just be gay bro.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/22 02:17 PM
12	CMV: Self-improvement and "loving yourself" are poor substitutes for romantic relationships Self improvement is the only thing you can do. Even if it doesn't work, it's literally the only action you can take. You can't change how other people behave you can only attempt to change yourself. If your goal is to get a certain type of woman, you're going to have to do things that will make you attractive to that type of woman, you don't have an alternative.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/22 02:13 PM
10	At what age does it become weird to not have lost your virginity as a man? And if you are exactly that, then you could just spin it, say you have been waiting for the right one, someone special, etc. If you're going to lie anyway, then just use the escort and lie about it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/06/22 01:29 AM
3	It’s a numbers game for men, but women don’t want to be treated like numbers? There are few women nobody would want. Your perspective is a little skewed. A guy who isn't getting a lot of sex isn't going to see another man getting a lot of sex and think the man that gets more sex is "pathetic". For men, getting a lot of sex from women is based on a value judgement. If a guy gets a lot of sex from women, it says something positive about him. It's not the same as it is for women, since men will sleep with anyone.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/06/22 01:38 PM
1	Women do not care about confidence , really attractive people just happen to be more confident due to validation from the outside for being attractive we only had 2 dates and I did all the talking while he just stared at me and laughed at my jokes. So, I don't know what your experience is like. But, in my experience, if a woman acts like this on a date, she's just not that interested in you. Don't get me wrong, exceptionally quiet do exist, but usually if you're doing all the talking, then the other person just isn't that interested in engaging with you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/06/22 12:26 PM
1	Women do not care about confidence , really attractive people just happen to be more confident due to validation from the outside for being attractive perseverant The last one is the only one necessary, you don't need to be confident to persevere. If you're objectively unattractive and have never had success with women before, I don't know why you'd be confident that you will have success with women on any particular day.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/06/22 12:20 PM
2	Women do not care about confidence , really attractive people just happen to be more confident due to validation from the outside for being attractive I think both are true. I've had the experience of going from overweight to in shape and the difference in how people treat you is night and day. I went from completely invisible to all of a sudden men and women both approaching to have conversations. Your social skills definitely don't need to be as developed when other people are willing to initiate social interactions. And, when you have other people showing interest in you it does help you to be more confident, which will help to attract even…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/06/22 11:56 AM
2	Women do not care about confidence , really attractive people just happen to be more confident due to validation from the outside for being attractive Being confident is definitely going to attract more people by itself. I believe the cycle you're talking about does exist though, being attractive brings more validation, which then improves your confidence.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/06/22 11:48 AM
8	With male virginity rates near 30% in the USA for the 18-30 age range what impact will this have on society You really do love in a different world. You don't know any young married couples? Any guys who don't go to clubs or bars? Anybody shy? Not 1 person?	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/06/22 12:37 AM
11	With male virginity rates near 30% in the USA for the 18-30 age range what impact will this have on society Again, this doesn't make any sense. You haven't met anybody who has an exclusive relationship before getting to 10? You must have gone to the most hedonistic Christian academy on the planet.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/06/22 12:18 AM
11	With male virginity rates near 30% in the USA for the 18-30 age range what impact will this have on society and don’t say “they’re all lying” I don't believe this for 1 second. You mean to tell me in your entire 22 years of life you've never met a single man who's obviously slept with fewer than 10 women? You don't know anyone religious Anyone who's still dating a highschool girlfriend Anyone ugly Anyone who stopped before 10 Anybody who's just a loser 10 is a fair bit above average too, unless you're telling me you hardly know any men, this just can't be true.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/06/22 12:13 AM
0	Men care more about a woman’s career/social status than they like to admit So you're saying it's harder to find an attractive person if you limit your options to only doctors/nurses?	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/06/22 12:14 AM
7	Men care more about a woman’s career/social status than they like to admit They do not. But I also suspect most of the doctors you've come across are just older. I don't see why attractiveness would be distributed more unequally amongst doctors than any other population.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/06/22 11:16 PM
11	Men care more about a woman’s career/social status than they like to admit I don't think that's true, I know many attractive young doctors.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/06/22 11:08 PM
1	Men care more about a woman’s career/social status than they like to admit You don't see doctors dating Starbucks employees because doctors are around other doctors all the time. They'll end up marrying their receptionist or whatever just because the receptionist is around, not because they have a degree. People are going to end up dating people they have access to. A doctor is just simply going to have access to more doctors than baristas.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/06/22 11:07 PM
2	For young men, 2 options are available to improve, which you think is better? Considering most jobs these days are 8-6 if you are lucky, plus 2 hours gym- there just isn’t the time in the day You can't really mean this. What if your partner likes to draw is spending 2 hours a day drawing also unacceptable? What if they just want to watch TV, is there not enough time in the day to juggle a partner and 2 hours of TV a day?	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/06/22 06:44 PM
2	For young men, 2 options are available to improve, which you think is better? I feel like you're not even trying to understand what I'm saying. If I only eat chicken, broccoli and rice and go to the gym 2 hours a day, how and why would a woman know she doesn't like that unless she's experienced it? Unless you're saying that being muscular negativity affects your personality.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/06/22 03:44 PM
1	For young men, 2 options are available to improve, which you think is better? But being muscular doesn't say anything negative about your personality, unless you think it does. You've said women don't like their lifestyle, not their personality. But how do you know you don't like the lifestyle without having dated them?	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/06/22 03:37 PM
1	For young men, 2 options are available to improve, which you think is better? Alright at the very least, given a woman is at least physically attracted to a muscular man. How does she know she doesn't want to date one, without the experience of dating one in the past?	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/06/22 03:15 PM
2	For young men, 2 options are available to improve, which you think is better? Actual strong men are closer physically too the dad bod then they are a movie ‘got’ man. I agree, however the guys in the movies "look" strong and women are attracted to that. Hence women like muscular men. They may or may not be willing to deal with the associated lifestyle, but it's not that they don't like muscular men. If a man is strong then he is muscular, he still has to spend a fair amount of time training and eating well. Not as strictly as a movie star, but still pretty strictly. I thi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/06/22 03:10 PM
2	For young men, 2 options are available to improve, which you think is better? I’ve met the odd woman that does go for muscular men. I think a problem I'm seeing is that you may be working off different definitions of "muscular". I've always known women to like muscular men, it's the odd woman who doesn't. I've seen women say they don't like the extreme physiques of very large professional body builders, but most men are never going to get that big, so it doesn't really matter how much time they spend in the gym. Meanwhile most, seem to like the physiques of actors in acti…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/06/22 02:49 PM
2	Is it pointless to argue with women about male dating struggles? Why or why not? I'm not. But we're no doubt from different places, so the experience likely differs.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/06/22 01:30 AM
4	Is it pointless to argue with women about male dating struggles? Why or why not? I think you're slightly misunderstanding me. Not that they are incels. I'm saying they all went through an incel phase. Nearly every man I know has.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/06/22 11:26 PM
1	Is it pointless to argue with women about male dating struggles? Why or why not? Little bit of both. Nobody has ever called me ugly, but I am overweight and I know I don't give off hook-up vibes even in the few times in my life that I've managed to get in shape. Wasn't really the topic of discussion though, point was my friend didn't seem to understand why I'd need a prostitute, despite knowing me.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/06/22 11:25 PM
32	Is it pointless to argue with women about male dating struggles? Why or why not? I remember a girlfriend accused me of cheating once, had to resist the urge to ask her "with who?"	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/06/22 07:07 PM
5	Is it pointless to argue with women about male dating struggles? Why or why not? slightly ugly Is too good looking. I've never had that skill, never been able to sleep with a woman without being in a relationship first. Could try it and report back I suppose.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/06/22 06:57 PM
8	Is it pointless to argue with women about male dating struggles? Why or why not? I do have a few female friends, and a few male friends, and we do go out weekly or biweekly. Damn near everyone meets this description.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/06/22 06:56 PM
15	Is it pointless to argue with women about male dating struggles? Why or why not? My experience, I'm a nerd, thus most of my friends have been nerds. Vast majority of them have been through a phase where they couldn't get a woman to save their lives.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/06/22 06:45 PM
2	Is it pointless to argue with women about male dating struggles? Why or why not? I think it's very likely that an unsuccessful man who makes the mistake of comparing their dating experience to their average female friends' is likely to stop viewing women as equal to them. Cause there's no way you can view them as your peer after doing the comparison.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/06/22 06:15 PM
29	Is it pointless to argue with women about male dating struggles? Why or why not? No doubt most of the men she knows who talk about their sex lives are very successful. If they weren't successful they probably wouldn't talk about it, especially not with an attractive woman. I see some people say that men are unsuccessful men struggle because of their misogynistic ideas, or because they're whiny, but honestly outside of anonymous forums most of them would just not say anything about it within earshot of a woman, women just assume that because they don't hear them complain that…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/06/22 05:47 PM
75	Is it pointless to argue with women about male dating struggles? Why or why not? I remember I was talking to a woman once who asked me why I would pay for a prostitute when I could just go get sex for free. Some of them 100% don't get it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/06/22 05:22 PM
5	Women are not the romantic gender, men are. Maybe. But, I'm suggesting you hear more complaints from women about men forgetting because if the women forget, the men are less likely to say anything. "I can't believe my wife forgot our anniversary" really isn't going to play as well to an audience as the inverse.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/06/22 01:50 AM
5	Women are not the romantic gender, men are. I don't know if I'd say they don't care. They're just not going to complain. You know how it is, nobody likes a man that complains.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/06/22 01:42 AM
8	Women are not the romantic gender, men are. Really? Because I never hear about women forgetting their mans' birthdays or christmas or their anniversary but I constantly hear about the opposite. I don't think most men would complain if their girlfriend forgot to buy them a gift. With birthdays in particular, I notice a lot of men just don't show a lot of enthusiasm for their birthdays. It's not universal I'm sure, but I don't believe most men would even say anything.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/06/22 01:36 AM
2	Any study that shows that money doesn't affect dating like women claim nowadays? Yeah, it depends on where you live. I can easily support 2 people on my salary, and I'm not even making 60k. Not in the US to be fair.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/22 04:03 PM
2	Men would you trade getting more attention for increase risk of being sodomized, stalked, harassed and being sex trafficked for more attention and special treatment from women? Ask them. Men have gotten themselves killed over sex. Men have gotten involved with women who are affiliated with known killers. Men have killed each other over women. I'm not saying all men are willing to risk their lives for sex. But enough are such that the "Would you trade X for more access to sex" question is pointless, cause no matter what X is you're going to get a lot of "yes".	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/22 12:51 PM
8	Men would you trade getting more attention for increase risk of being sodomized, stalked, harassed and being sex trafficked for more attention and special treatment from women? I genuinely believe that if you had changed the question to "If you could have sex with any woman you wanted for a month. But after the month you will be killed via firing squad", you'd get if not majority "yes", then at least near majority. Role reversal like this won't come across because men want sex too badly. Men will, and have died for just the promise of some pussy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/22 01:28 AM
3	Men would you trade getting more attention for increase risk of being sodomized, stalked, harassed and being sex trafficked for more attention and special treatment from women? The catcalling thing just really doesn't work with reversed genders. I'm at a crowded bar right now and there isn't a single woman here I don't find somewhat attractive. If only women I found unattractive catcalled me, then catcalling would be infrequent anyway, so it wouldn't bother me.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/06/22 11:07 PM
80	Men would you trade getting more attention for increase risk of being sodomized, stalked, harassed and being sex trafficked for more attention and special treatment from women? Men are going to answer yes to this, I'm surprised you don't get how this works. If you think guys won't risk their lives for sex you're mistaken.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/06/22 09:07 PM
6	Women, does status and/or wealth have an effect on how attracted you are to a man? How big is that effect? One way to look at this is that even if wealth/status doesn't make men more attractive, you can use your wealth or status to convince women to get to know you. I think if you have enough money you can just offer things that are hard to say "no" to. If you approach a woman with access to an exclusive bar or lounge or you offer to pay her bills or fly her out, it's going to be more tempting than if you couldn't.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/06/22 11:21 AM
15	Would you trade getting catcalled and occasional harassment if it meant you would never get any attention, compliments or special treatment from men I've seen women answer yes to this question before. I think the "grass is greener" effect. I understand that constantly getting unwanted attention is annoying, but no straight person is happy about getting no attention from the opposite sex.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/06/22 04:21 AM
2	What's the alternative to "be yourself"? "be yourself" isn't advice at all. If you're struggling you obviously need to do something. Like it or not, some "selves" are just better than other "selves" for attracting mates. If you can either go to a Magic the Gathering tournament or the club on a Friday night, the person who prefers to go clubbing will have an easier time dating. If you're soft, you'd have an easier time dating if you became tougher. If you're fat you'll have an easier time dating if you lose weight. "Be yourself" is bad …	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/06/22 11:08 PM
12	Lack of relevant social circles is bad, here's the main reason. There are a handful of single women (think relatives or old college/high school friends of existing group members) that will get invites and it is extremely difficult to get them to come out. Relatable in my extended friend circle it seems most of the guys are single, but most of the women are in relationships. On top of that if you plan an outing the women are just way less likely to show up, usually they'll flake last minute.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/06/22 11:19 AM
4	Should feminine men become more masculine? Agreed, some people would be better off being somebody else.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/05/22 09:56 PM
5	New article: 50% of single US adults are not looking for relationships or casual dates I think that's way too broad of a generalization. While I agree, more often than not, the man in the relationship is going to be expected to contribute more financially, most women are past the point where they expect their entire lifestyle to be funded by their partner. The reality of today's world is that most households need 2 incomes, most women understand this by now. From my experience with women they're going to ask for as much as you'll give them, unless they're very conscious of spendin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/05/22 03:58 PM
5	New article: 50% of single US adults are not looking for relationships or casual dates She probably won't, but you should still be better off, assuming your relationship is healthy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/05/22 03:44 PM
2	If a high % of men would be down to hook up with a female friend/acquantince anytime, what % of men would still do it if it's the girlfriend of his friend who wants to cheat? If the boyfriend and I were really friends, then I would never do it. At least not at this age. I'd definitely have done it when I was in my teens and early 20s.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/22 06:39 PM
6	What do you consider a high N-count? You know I've never understood how you have a romantic partner and this topic not come up. Do you just hang out with your SO and never talk about past relationships? You don't have to ask the question explicitly, as long as you and you and your partner keep talking and neither of you lies, your partner is going to realize if you have an N-count they are uncomfortable with.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/22 05:38 PM
0	Dating market is skewed because most women don't have real friends If you live in the US, go somewhere else, I wouldn't trust anything here either. Save up and take a weekend trip. If not that, then you could just try cold approaches, it will work eventually, you're just going to have to swallow rejection till it does. Edit: Cold approaching will work eventually, unless you're hideous. There are limits	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/22 05:28 PM
2	Relationship ramifications of personality masking and dating. Yes, I saw where you said that. I agree, was more addressing the other comment that was questioning a wait time. I'll say though i don't think the strategy of relying on testimony from mutual friends is bulletproof either. Everybody likes their friends, I'd say someone would have to be an absolute disaster for their friends to warn you off.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/05/22 12:43 AM
2	Relationship ramifications of personality masking and dating. Well if the personality he's talking about I'd confidence, then OP should be at least a little more confident after spending some time pretending to be confident. OP is describing exactly what I think he needs to do, it's just the mindset that needs to change. If he said he was "working on being more confident" rather than "pretending to be confident", I doubt you'd have a problem with that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/05/22 12:37 AM
3	Relationship ramifications of personality masking and dating. Depending on what kind of personality traits you are looking for, that is kinda how you build a personality. I assume the type of personality OP is talking about is social and confident. Pretending to be social and confident is how you work on being social and confident.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/05/22 12:21 AM
5	Relationship ramifications of personality masking and dating. My first girlfriend had me wait about a year. From what she told me, it's seems that she'd run into issues when she had sex too soon in the past, so I gather she was testing me or something. What she probably didn't understand was that I was 99% sure I wasn't gonna have sex that year anyway, so it really wasn't much of test.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/05/22 12:15 AM