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Intactivismtube_radio/r/MensRights27/04/21 11:33 PM
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Circumcision isn't a neonatal practice in Islam either. In any case, a baby doesn't have a religious preference. Or if they did, I'm sure it would be to NOT HAVE THEIR GENITALS CUT APART. These babies are objecting in the only way they know how.
/r/MensRights03/07/24 09:51 PM
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Babies don't understand religion. They do understand pain.
/r/MensRights03/07/24 09:31 PM
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The more places make it outright illegal, the fewer fence-sitters will skip it instead of saying "well I guess so". Laws don't stop people, they bring consequences and that stops most people.
/r/MensRights16/05/23 08:32 PM
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Cropping ears is becoming illegal in more and more places. Sad when dogs have more rights to have natural bodies protected from aesthetic mutilation than human babies do.
/r/MensRights16/05/23 08:15 PM
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Yep, it's a cycle of inter-generational trauma for sure. Kind of like how most pedophiles were once victims themselves, and they cope by attacking the next generation. Almost exactly the same, come to think of it. No excuse.
/r/MensRights16/05/23 07:56 PM
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"bEcAUsE iT HaPPeNeD To mE aNd i tURnEd OuT FiNe!!1!" Spoiler: Nobody who makes this claim to defend genital cutting actually "turned out fine"
/r/MensRights16/05/23 07:53 PM
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It depends how much profit your hospital can make off if it, that seems to pretty well predict if they push it or not.
/r/MensRights16/05/23 07:52 PM
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Better that than any more children's genitals getting needlessly ripped apart. I'm cut and I'm infuriated about it, my sons are not. It's dying out for good reasons, and good riddance.
/r/MensRights16/05/23 07:51 PM
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Usually it's just so the dad doesn't have to admit that it shouldn't have happened to him either, but that's not the case here. I'm guessing the profiteers at the hospital are just trying to upsell him on an a-la-carte genital cutting surgery on literally no reason whatsoever other than profits.
/r/MensRights16/05/23 07:49 PM
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$596 per single """donor""" sample: https://www.thermofisher.com/order/catalog/product/C0045C
/r/MensRights27/01/23 12:34 AM
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I'm pretty sure being awful was the point and folks are giving them exactly what they want by continuing to talk about it. I'd wager the majority of the viewers are just hate-watching it, and they've found a way to monetize that. Same concept as ragebait headlines, now in animated form.
/r/MensRights17/01/23 07:45 PM
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Yeah.. both of your parents got lied to. "Phony phimosis diagnosis" and your condition was normal until puberty. I would look to see if the doc is still alive and see if there's any grounds for malpractice.
/r/MensRights13/10/22 11:32 PM
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You pointed out the real reason; It's far easier to disparage that "vile disgusting practice" that those savage cultures do "over there", vs criticizing a nearly identical practice that your culture does right here (that your parents or even you might have done). The people who advocate the "lesser forms" of female "circumcision" do the exact same mental gymnastics. They use the exact same excuses, justifications, and even say "it's not mutilation when we do it, not like those barbaric cultures!…
/r/MensRights13/10/22 11:30 PM
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Yeah... I just need to get through this week
/r/MensRights12/08/22 06:37 PM
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Can't even live your life or even be happier without pissing someone off, it seems...
/r/MensRights01/08/22 06:02 AM
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American doctors have completely abdicated their responsibilities to their most vulnerable patients. There's a reason Iceland and Denmark sought to make it illegal on the strong advice of their medical associations.
/r/MensRights14/07/22 08:30 PM
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I would recommend you don't, it's also a fetish thing for many people into heavy BDSM and sexually-motivated penile modifications. So that's what they had to do to me... an extreme BDSM body modification to correct something that their hyper-puritan, revivalist, pre-germ-theory genital mutilation rituals caused. Yeah... I'm pretty pissed about it. There's no excuse for this shit.
/r/MensRights14/07/22 08:05 PM
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I'm circumcised. I consider it disfiguration. I needed corrective surgery for Meatal Stenosis (5%-20% incidence in cut boys) which is by definition, damage from scar tissue, from something that should have never been broken in the first place. Don't tell me it's not disfiguring and not damaging. It has been absolutely no benefit to me, only a detriment. And that's just ONE potential complication a needless circumcision put me at risk of. Babies have died. And for what? Ask the people who do FGM,…
/r/MensRights14/07/22 08:01 PM
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It literally meets the definition: Mutilation or maiming (from the Latin: mutilus) is cutting off or causing injury to a body part of a person so that the part of the body is permanently damaged, detached or disfigured. And depending who you ask, circumcision and fgm are equally valuable, and they take offense when you pretend they are different. At least they are right about them being equally valuable (that is, both worthless cultural artifacts that ought to be both illegal)
/r/MensRights14/07/22 07:42 PM
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not like they cut the whole damn thing off I mean... that happens But even the minor complications are far more common than anyone is willing to admit, nobody wants to take blame or admit that their junk was messed up for no reason. I myself have a complication called Meatal Stenosis that affects between 5%-20% of all cut boys and virtually none who were left intact. The fix is called a Meatotomy, google that at your own risk (NSFL, seriously)
/r/MensRights14/07/22 07:40 PM
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If ethics is a large chunk of medical schools... it must not be working very well. The ethicist who helped pen the 2012 AAP circumcision report also wrote a quickly-retracted statement on bringing the lightest form of FGM into the US hospitals, before they realized it ran afoul of the law. And I don't think it's a coincidence that the ONLY first-world country to still perform infant circumcision is also the ONLY country to still be mainly for-profit, where a hospital can charge parents a few tho…
/r/MensRights14/07/22 07:36 PM
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The whole thing can be summed up as a defense of FGM (their version, which is okay). The callout of hypocrisy is how they defend their tradition of cutting on both genders, and their entire point is that if one is okay for the same reasons, then the other is as well. And yes, they are absolutely right it is hypocrisy. The difference is, they look at both sets of excuses and think they are equally good reasons to cut both genders. Most other people will look at both sets of excuses and find there…
/r/MensRights07/07/22 07:03 PM
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If you don't get the overtones of the paragraph in a way that would be well summed up as an accusation of hypocrisy, I don't know what to tell you. They make the same argument in the same way US people defend male genital cutting and then ask "well why isn't it called male genital mutilation?" The implication is clear.
/r/MensRights07/07/22 06:46 PM
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Quote from the link of the Fatwa: """ Some extremists from the West and their devout followers in the Muslim world like to brand all circumcision as female genital mutilation (FGM). For those, we say, why is male circumcision not MGM? Male circumcision is widely practiced in the West. Yet it would be considered by the Chinese MGM (Male Genital Mutilation). The AAP (American Academy of Pediatrics) Ethics Committee pointed this out in a recent article published in the May 2010 issue of Pediatrics.…
/r/MensRights06/07/22 08:23 PM
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Well... these people (who do FGM), and then the rest of the modern world who doesn't cut either. The reasons are equally good for both, that is to say, both sets of reasons are worthless post-hoc justifications of pre-germ-theory tribal hazing rituals.
/r/MensRights06/07/22 02:16 PM
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I'm a circumcised male, and I'm highly anti-circumcision. I thought it was good. I thought it was healthy. I thought the issues I had were just genetic bad luck. Then my wife got pregnant, with a boy. I did my research. I learned the health benefits were all lies. I learned the issues I had were not just bad luck, but the result of damage from circumcision (meatal stenosis). Unnecessary damage. And the surgery I needed to fix it could have been easily avoided if my country had its head out of it…
/r/MensRights06/07/22 12:24 AM
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I'm surprised you think people will care about inequality against men at this point... medical liability for people pushing this garbage is (in my opinion) the right tool for the job. The complication rate is far higher than anyone is incentivized to admit, and the first step is making it okay for people to come out and admit to themselves "these bastards fucked up my penis for no reason" and then go for their throats (legally speaking... usually).
/r/MensRights06/07/22 12:12 AM
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Wish I could, mate
/r/MensRights06/07/22 12:10 AM
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Plethora that cause it? Try HPV. That's pretty much it. HPV. Which we have a vaccine for. Ya know.. modern, real medicine. The only real tangible reason to stop cutting at birth is that there was never a real reason to cut anyone at birth in the first place. It's bullshit and has always been bullshit. But keep defending your culture of pre-germ-theory genital mutilations, reinstituted at a time when doctors were swapping the "laudable pus" between wounds of civil war casualties. Real good look t…
/r/MensRights06/07/22 12:06 AM
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So is superstition an equally worthwhile precaution... and just about as effective! The practice of circumcision would never meet the standards of evidence-based medicine if it were to be first proposed today. The only reason it is allowed as a medical practice is because it was grandfathered in. If there wasn't already a history of it, and someone started doing them in 2022, there would be outrage and they'd be sent to prison and stripped of all authority and licensure.
/r/MensRights06/07/22 12:02 AM
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Just for the first one alone; The American Cancer Society has been telling the AAP to knock it off with their bullshit regarding penile cancer and circumcision since 1996!
/r/MensRights05/07/22 11:58 PM
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A lot of how the American system operates seems to be more for provider convenience or profit. I was cut as a child and have problems that I wouldn't have had if they had just left me alone, which of course they were happy to take more money for to fix later. It's infuriating...
/r/MensRights05/07/22 07:53 PM
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Sexual novelty as a justification for cutting babies ought to land people in prison. No other cosmetic surgery on an infant would be tolerated on that insane pedophilic excuse.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 06:52 PM
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The doctor who wrote the AAP's defense of circumcision can't even bring himself to say Metzitzah B'peh is a bad idea... that's how entrenched the insanity is in the US Healthcare scam.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 06:44 PM
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You mean the direct oral suction that infects and kills babies? The same practice that the authors of the AAP's often-cited 2012 statement won't even recommend against, in complete abdication of their jobs? This is the statement where "the benefits outweigh the risks" came from, roundly mocked internationally for being an insane post-hoc defense of American profiteering and rife with cultural bias. The same AAP statement whose bioethicisct also penned a statement about bringing FGM into the hosp…
/r/MensRights05/07/22 06:43 PM
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What was done in Biblical times isn't even the same thing as later Pharisees did (and today's Pharisees who won't even read Galatians do the same) What is done today is far more brutal than what Abraham or Moses ever did. There is no Biblical excuse, there is no Medical excuse, and doing something like that without reason is clearly a sin, just as cutting any other part off of your child would be.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 06:42 PM
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Because all of their reasons and excuses are exactly the same as those who defend male circumcision. They think those who only cut males are hypocrites, and on that account they are right.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 06:38 PM
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It doesn't have any real benefits, other than profits for the hospitals. There's a reason the US is the odd-one-out when it comes to this. There are people who circumcise females, and they sound exactly the same as the people who still try to defend circumcising males.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 06:34 PM
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There are no real medical reasons. Without a medical reason, it's no different than clipping any other part off of your child. And without a Biblical reason (which there isn't), it's morally no different i.e. clearly a sin. There is no defense of this practice anymore.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 06:32 PM
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There is not and has never been a medical reason to remove the frenelum. That is a holdover from the original reason it regained popularity in the USA, and that is to remove sexual pleasure. Everything since then has been a desperate grasp to find any plausible retroactive excuse to keep it legal in this country.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 06:26 PM
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"Born with phimosis" is NOT a real diagnosis. The foreskin is not supposed to retract until sometimes as late as late puberty. It's the NATURAL state of the infant, which is why "if intact, don't retract" is the proper advice for infants. If they had been treating you as if they needed to retract you at that young of an age, the accumulated scar tissue is probably the reason you had issues in the future. It's like repeatedly ripping a fingernail off and packing it back down. They damaged you bec…
/r/MensRights05/07/22 06:24 PM
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That was the original advertised reason for it up until recently.... Hell, Blue Cross would cover FGM Type 1 as a cure for masturbation up until 1977! We are not very far removed from that, they've just had to find new excuses to keep it normalized. These people belong in prison.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 06:19 PM
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Speak for yourself... It was done to me and I hate it. I hate everything about the culture that allows babies to be treated in this manner, and on a constantly-scrambling treadmill of ever-more-desperate retroactive excuses from those who want to still do it. There is ZERO excuse for this to still be happening.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 06:08 PM
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The experience of being carted away from your mother, strapped to a tray, and operated on with minimal anesthesia (if any, looking at you USA)... from the infants perspective, it is indistinguishable from maternal abandonment (death sentence) and some predator literally eating you alive while your efforts to escape are impeded (also death sentence). There is virtually no chance this doesn't have some serious and permanent effects, and may explain a lot about why the cultures that still do it hav…
/r/MensRights05/07/22 06:06 PM
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Who TF are you talking to? I'm not okay with that either. The abortion argument is muddled with the grey zone about where life actually begins, but in all cases of a life intended to continue or already in existence, it's damned clear that you shouldn't take pieces off of them. Anyone who takes a knife to someone else without consent of the individual or a damned good overriding medical reason belongs in prison.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 05:51 PM
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When you measure it in USD, it is immediately clear why the only national organization to find "the benefits outweigh the risks" is also in the only modernized country to still have a for-profit healthcare scheme as the norm. The benefits certainly outweigh the risks... to the doctor's profits! And when they screw up and induce "conditions" that would not have existed had they left the poor kid alone... you get to pay them again to fix what should have never been broken in the first place!
/r/MensRights05/07/22 04:47 PM
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Because if you let them have a choice in it, your culture of genital cutting dies in one generation. There's a reason they have force this on children while they are too young to refuse.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 04:44 PM
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Many people treat them and defend them equally, because the arguments for them are the same!
/r/MensRights05/07/22 04:42 PM
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If you removed the fetus's hand, it would be the same argument. Obviously immoral in every case without some insane reach or appear to religious nonsense.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 04:41 PM
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Depends who you ask But it's totally not mutilation when THEY do it, not like those WORSE cultures in Africa! Sound familiar?
/r/MensRights05/07/22 04:39 PM
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The people who perform FGM sound exactly the same as the people who perform male circumcision. So much so that they think it's hypocritical to only circumcise males, because the arguments are equally as good for both. Hell, the American insurer Blue Cross covered the removal of the clitoris (FGM Type 1) for reasons of "hysteria", "self-abuse (masturbation"), and "Lesbianism" up until 1977!!! We're not too far removed from FGM cultures ourselves. It's the same shit, different plate.
/r/MensRights05/07/22 04:38 PM
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"If you don't come back, we'll put you in prison when you come back!" "uhh... okay"
/r/MensRights13/04/22 05:47 PM
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This sounds like a ridiculous conspiracy but turns out it's true.
/r/MensRights05/04/22 08:59 PM
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Your right to swing a knife ends where a child's genitals begin, I can't believe there are still people with the mindset that children can be treated like cattle and that somehow the "freedom of religion" applies to everyone except the person who has to suffer unnecessary genital cutting as a result of cultural momentum. There's a lot of cultures with inter-generational traumas that recur to be inflicted on children, but continuing to do it just because it happened to you is the excuse that most…
/r/MensRights05/04/22 08:57 PM
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But not to be free from having it forced upon you, apparently. These sick fucks treat children like cattle. An infant doesn't have a religious preference that can justify cutting on him. Why the fuck does this even need to be said. Anyone who still does this to children deserves to be in jail, they are violating the child's freedom of religion and that's only scratching the surface of violations. Kids should not be strapped down for medically unnecessary and unanesthetized genital torture sessio…
/r/MensRights05/04/22 08:52 PM
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Where's the petition on banning Ukranian women from running away from the fight?
/r/MensRights23/03/22 11:02 PM
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So we really are to post-birth abortion being acceptable, aren't we? And they said slippery slope was a fallacy, not a promise.
/r/MensRights01/03/22 10:32 PM
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For many of us, the socially-acceptable gendered violence against males starts before we even leave the hospital.
/r/MensRights08/12/21 10:40 PM
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TFW the best dad on television is a blue dog. Everyone else is presented as a joke.
/r/MensRights03/12/21 04:15 PM
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Turns out the people who can't tell the difference were the tumors the entire time
/r/MensRights02/12/21 11:03 PM
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"He was also acquitted of four counts of assault and five counts of causing bodily harm. The reason given for the acquittals was that it was not proven that the inflammation in some of the cases came from the procedures, and that it was not proven that the pain was of such a nature that it should be considered abuse. Prosecutors had previously demanded two years' imprisonment for the man." Whaaaaat the fuuuuuck... Literally burning a child's genitals with a soldering tool can't be considered abu…
/r/MensRights02/12/21 04:44 PM
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I've heard stories of circumcision paperwork hidden in the pile of "just sign all these" papers being thrust into the hands of the "birthparent" who is coming down from narcotics and still hyper stressed, completely exhausted, and high on natural hormones, because somehow that's informed consent and ethical. I refused to let my boys out of my sight in the birthing hospital because the hospital we went to is still insanely cut-happy, and like hell was I going to let that happen. I read every word…
/r/MensRights01/12/21 10:32 PM
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RemindME! 10 years "I bet this comment is hate speech now"
/r/MensRights01/12/21 10:29 PM
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So OP just needs to start yelling "I IDENTIFY AS THE BIRTH PARENT!" If multiple-systems are to be taken seriously, a marriage being a two-body-unitary-system definitely should be. It is for legal purposes already, that's the point.
/r/MensRights01/12/21 10:27 PM
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They'd rather have a signer be a person who is completely exhausted and likely coming down off of narcotics and insane natural hormones sign important paperwork, because apparently that's more ethical /s Don't let them slip in any paperwork requesting to cut parts off of your son or anything, that's all too common in for-profit American hospitals in some areas to try to pull that even if you've refused before.
/r/MensRights01/12/21 10:26 PM
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There are practically zero advocates of fgm in adult life. Wrong, women with FGM show a striking correlation with being AIDS-free at about the same level of protection as MGM does: https://scholarworks.gsu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1113&context=iph_theses People who perform FGM defend it with the same rationality as those who defend MGM; that is to say, desperate straw-grasping at any modern-ish excuse they can use so they don't have to admit it is a fucked up practice dreampt up by pre-ge…
/r/MensRights17/09/21 09:31 PM
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I will never not upvote a DarthEquus slap-your-face-with-facts post. And I have and will continue to steal these until they turn into copypasta in their own right.
/r/MensRights17/09/21 09:24 PM
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Well that causes kerintanization and if you don't know how high the rate is for "complications", go look it up. There's no excuse for this shit to continue. And if the only difference is aesthetic to mimic sexual arousal... anyone who wants to do that to a child is a pedophile and belongs in prison if they need to be kept alive at all.
/r/MensRights27/07/21 05:55 PM
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And just cutting it off is a stupid way to go about solving those issues, instead of practicing actual healthcare with things like the knowledge of germ theory and antibiotics and the like. The people who started it didn't even have germ theory and did it as a cultural hazing ritual to mark themselves in the flesh, and it has been dragged along by morons ever since with an ever-changing treadmill of increasingly desperate post-hoc excuses. Countries without an insane religious bent or for-profit…
/r/MensRights27/07/21 03:53 PM
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Good for you. I'm circumcised, and I fucking hate it. If they had just left us both alone, at least we'd still have a choice about what was done to our bodies when we were old enough to decide for ourselves.
/r/MensRights27/07/21 03:48 PM
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"You don't want your kid to risk easily-treatable UTIs or have to clean himself, so the obvious solution is to cut a piece off of him and then stick the open wound into a literal diaper filled with shit and piss half the time, a nice warm moist environment for sanitary healing of a genital wound!" I can't believe so many parents fall for this shit. Not to mention all the complications that nobody ever wants to talk about and get swept under the rig so nobody has to admit guilt.
/r/MensRights27/07/21 03:33 PM
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Germ Theory didn't even really start gaining traction until the late 19th century, certainly not in the bronze age when this BS started. God didn't tell anyone to do it because it was cleaner, the stated reason was to "mark them in the flesh". It's the equivalent of a tribal tattoo or childhood branding ritual, and the "cleanliness" argument is a post-hoc rationalization of blood magic and cultural hazing. The Israelite's were forbidden from doing it during their times wandering through the dese…
/r/MensRights27/07/21 03:29 PM
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Pulling it back too early (i.e. "forced retraction") actually can cause healing issues and damage; like repeatedly pulling a fingernail off its bed and sticking it back. These "doctors" believed their own lies about "tHe DAnGeRS oF FoREsKiN" so completely, that they were giving advice like you point out that literally was harming children to the point where the accumulated damage would be so bad it would present like OSRS_antic's did above, and then of course the only "solution" presented was to…
/r/MensRights27/07/21 03:21 PM
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Now THAT'S some actually toxic masculinity if there ever was such a thing. "You're a bad doctor" - the kid who speaks truth.
/r/MensRights14/05/21 08:19 PM
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You can flay your genitals into the shape of an octopus for all I care, and you may like it that way, but you have no idea what a baby will or will not want done with their genitals, so keep your knives off of them. Your fetishistic preferences for cosmetic alterations to genitals give you no right to inflict them on children. This shouldn't be that hard to understand.
/r/MensRights28/04/21 01:47 AM
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Sorry to hear that, idiocy knows no borders. It's our collective responsibility to do better for future children. At least in the US, for the longest time the medical literature didn't cover intact anatomy at all and the practitioners genuinely believed their own lies about the foreskin. Criminally negligent, IMO
/r/MensRights27/04/21 09:59 PM
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That's normal, for America at least :(
/r/MensRights27/04/21 09:52 PM
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There are the very very rare cases of legitimate need to remove some/all of the foreskin on a pre-pubescent child (or infant). But that's in cases of extreme deformity, generally (i.e. you'd know it). Most boys cut for "medical reasons" had their parents lied to with the same idiotic pre-germ-theory excuses as always, or with the "phony phimosis diagnosis" (phimosis is the natural state until puberty, and anyone saying otherwise is trying to sell something or justify their mistakes). Some estima…
/r/MensRights27/04/21 09:49 PM
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> old crones keeping themselves looking young and beautiful through committing blood magic atrocities against innocent children and consuming their flesh It's the literal archetype of female evil from European folklore. Absolutely sickening.
/r/MensRights27/04/21 09:25 PM
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> Cutting pieces off of babies for cultural reasons Thumbs up from mods what beautiful cultural expression > Complaining about actively detrimental affects of that cutting that could have easily been avoided BAN HIM BAN HIM WORST THING EVER!!1! ​ Fuck these mods and admins, I'm not surprised half of them are pedophiles.
/r/MensRights27/04/21 09:21 PM
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Babies can't sue and this sort of shit often doesn't make itself apparent until years later. I wish I could sue for what happened to me but it is so fucking normalized here that I'd just get laughed at for not being glad that some fuckwit conned my parents into paying him for a medically unnecessary and (in my case) actively harmful "surgery". Cycles of trauma run deep and it doesn't help that out for-profit healthcare scheme allows the doctors to line their pockets at the expense of their most …
/r/MensRights27/04/21 09:18 PM
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Everybody is individually responsible for the culture they accept. Who else is there to blame?
/r/MensRights27/04/21 09:15 PM
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You're not wrong at all. I remember preferring my skin folded over long before puberty and before I even knew what circumcision was (and that it had been done to me). Now I'm well into adulthood and trying to restore because I made the mistake of once taping over what I had left and realizing how uncomfortable my "normal" was. Fuck anyone who does this to a child absent actual medical reasons (which are few and far between).
/r/MensRights27/04/21 09:13 PM
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Retroactive consent Or in other words, "cope". He's coping.
/r/MensRights27/04/21 09:09 PM
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"Resentment of parents" and "total estrangement" really ought to be listed as one of the many risks of medically unnecessary circumcision, but the AAP can't even be bothered to properly look into the medical risks for their report, let alone the cultural ones. I had great parents but their willful perpetuation of a genital cutting culture has never been something I've been able to quite get over once all the lies about it fell apart.
/r/MensRights27/04/21 09:08 PM
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I was curious about this too, so I've literally used surgical tape on my remnant skin to "tape it over" and emulate what was lost. Once I got over how weird it was, it felt like I was wearing silk underwear all day. I couldn't believe how uncomfortable I have always been and always thought was "normal". I got fucking pissed off about how unnecessary it was once I did that, and even moreso after some of the other "issues" that I thought were just bad luck turned out to be damage caused by a medic…
/r/MensRights27/04/21 09:05 PM
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Most of the rest of the modern world has given it up, and most of the "benefits" are overblown or outright lies while complications are regularly ignored or swept under the rug (many don't show up until years later). So your parents were lied to. The US is one of the last modernized countries to still do it, coincidentally we also have a for-profit healthcare scheme and an insane religious history when it comes to anything sexual. Some early American circumcision advocates actually recommended b…
/r/MensRights27/04/21 09:00 PM
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in my culture uncircumcised men are considered "female" and that they shouldn't associate with males. That's some toxic fucking culture right there, bro. Disparaging a natural male anatomy like that FFS. I hope you're fixing that.
/r/MensRights27/04/21 08:53 PM
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Furthermore, it's a violation of the child's freedom of religion. You can cut pieces off of yourself for religious reasons, but anyone trying to turn the ritual knife on anyone else should go straight to prison. Your rights end where someone else's begin.
/r/MensRights27/04/21 08:49 PM
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A lot of us are intactivists because we were circumcised. We're pissed right the fuck off about it, and don't want it to happen to anyone else.
/r/MensRights27/04/21 08:47 PM
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Cut and resent the people and culture that forced it upon me. A better question would have been "would you have your son cut" because there is no f-ing reason for it to still be happening and what happened to me should never have been normal in the first place.
/r/MensRights05/02/21 01:51 AM
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I disagree with FGM, with male circumcision, and with piercing a baby's ears all for many of the same reasons, which can be generally summarized as "Their body, their choice." It's not a contest for which one is worse, that's not the right way to look at it. But FGM and MGM are anatomically comparable (not saying they are the same, just that they can be compared directly, structure-for-structure) and both come in varying degrees of severity. The recent law against FGM in the US is a win for ever…
/r/MensRights17/12/20 11:10 PM
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It is bullshit. What about the child's religious freedom? Or bodily autonomy for that matter? I can't tattoo a cross on my son's forehead and call it "religious freedom", why am I expected to tolerate literal mutilation/amputation for the same reasons? I don't care if people cut on themselves for religious/blood-ritual purposes, but once someone turns that knife on someone else, they deserve to go to prison.
/r/MensRights16/12/20 05:19 AM
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They link to the study itself, which is what you should pay attention to before simply dismissing their claims just because of the source: https://www.jctres.com/en/04.201802.005/
/r/MensRights13/12/20 07:30 PM
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There is something very wrong with a society where keeping up a tradition of medically unnecessary genital mutilation is even a question. Other first world countries that don't make money off of unnecessary surgeries seem to have figured this out, and have abandoned it in all but the very very rare medically indicated cases (as "a surgery of last resort" per the NHS)
/r/MensRights09/12/20 06:11 AM
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Then the decision should have been left up to you, and you either got lucky or you have coped with what happened to you by defending it. That decision was taken from me. You shouldn't get to carve your values into someone else on some idiotic social whim.
/r/MensRights30/09/20 11:08 PM
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Someone pushed an agenda on me and I resent it... unlike those who are intact, it's never something I can truly undo. The people literally carving their agendas into children are clearly in the wrong here.
/r/MensRights30/09/20 10:55 PM
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If I tattooed on my child I'd go to prison. But cut off a piece of his genitals for reasons most of the first world has turned their back on? "Your child, your choice! Just make sure you pay!" says America's healthcare providers.
/r/MensRights20/09/20 12:33 AM
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I agree, it should be a personal decision. I wasn't given a decision before it was done to me, that decision was taken from me along with a part of my normal body. If you want to get your genitals cut on, go do that yo yourself, but leave babies alone unless you have an overwhelmingly good reason to cut on them (and you don't).
/r/MensRights19/09/20 07:15 PM
2

The UK used to do it and now the NHS treats it as "a surgery of last resort". The only reason why their numbers might be going up is because of imported cultures. No medical professional in the NHS is going to recommend it anymore unless there is an actual medical need on a case-by-case basis. It's still "normal" in the US for now, but it's falling out of favor and good riddance.
/r/MensRights05/09/20 07:46 PM
10

Glad to see that practice on its way out.
/r/MensRights03/09/20 09:55 PM
1

It's still common enough to be considered "standard" in my area, yet I cared enough to figure out why and gave the doctor an emphatic "Hell NO, what is wrong with you" when they asked for my son. I'm not just a product of my culture, I also help to shape that culture. I am that culture, and therefore hold responsibility for what I allow that culture to be. OP's mom had the same responsibility and failed, and now is trying to defend her choice regardless of the logic so she doesn't have to feel b…
/r/MensRights17/06/20 03:08 PM
1

Really depends on how you view "worse". And it's not a competition; Just because someone wasn't murdered doesn't make rape okay. By the numbers of people negatively effected, male circumcision is clearly a worse overall problem. By individual harm, FGM is nearly always clearly worse by far. Both need to be abolished and anyone caught trying perform either should have their hands amputated.
/r/AntiFeminists11/06/20 09:50 PM
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"Female circumcision" It is genital cutting on females. It is analogous to male circumcision in many ways (especially the reasons it has been done historically) but it is often far worse and crippling. (Male circumcision can be crippling too, but not at such a high rate. Certain types of FGM are unbelievably brutal). Many countries that still circumcise males have problems with female circumcision for the same reasons though. In modern countries, it is universally looked down upon. Eventually ma…
/r/AntiFeminists11/06/20 09:46 PM
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The countries that have a problem with people doing "female circumcision" are countries that still do "male circumcision" and largely vice-versa, the correlation is undeniable. https://i.redd.it/96618xup6x351.png
/r/MensRights09/06/20 05:46 PM
2

That typo might have cost you a lot of comment karma lol I was wondering why you had so many downvotes
/r/MensRights01/06/20 09:33 PM
2

Even if she only looked to Mayo Clinic publications, she must have been cherrypicking. With our son, we received lots of publications, several from Mayo Clinic (brochures, books, etc.) and they only made weak arguments for RIC. None recommended them universally. One even specifically called it out as unnecessary (The Mayo Guide to a Healthy Pregnancy I think). We left our son intact. So your parents are full of shit, and I'm sorry they feel the need to bend over backwards to defend their mistake…
/r/MensRights01/06/20 09:31 PM
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You are actually more likely to get male breast cancer than ever need a circumcision.
/r/MensRights26/05/20 06:30 PM
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The only person who deserves to be aborted is this lady. A post-birth abortion in her case.
/r/MensRights13/05/20 05:18 PM
1

It isn't your fault, this is a problem with our culture. Even the little things that you do to push against it (even posing that single question to your own mother) is a step in the right direction. From her response, your mother obviously feels guilty or at least judged, and she should.
/r/MensRights16/04/20 07:07 PM
5

If you were just born and may have COVID-19 because your mother has it, there is even more needless risk if some self-righteous moron thinks it is acceptable to cut on your perfectly healthy genitals.
/r/MensRights16/04/20 06:54 PM
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This is a company who decided hiring to look good is better than hiring to deliver the best products. If they start playing that game, everything that goes wrong from here on out is the result of sexism/racism/whatever, anything except for their own decisions. That's when you know it's time to sell any shares you have. #GetWokeGoBroke
/r/MensRights29/11/18 02:22 AM
5

mutilation Mutilation or maiming (from the Latin: mutilus) is cutting off or injury to a body part of a person so that the part of the body is permanently damaged, detached or disfigured. > Detached
/r/MensRights13/11/18 06:38 PM
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Am I supposed to be angry that this "shocks people"? Good. They should be shocked. They need to be shocked. Take this practice to any other first-world country and they'd be shocked that anyone would want to make this routine. It is our duty to question our culture and improve it, and the reasons people generally still do it here are shockingly bad.
/r/MensRights08/11/18 11:49 PM
1

Everyone in this thread probably does, but there's a lot of people who rarely leave autopilot mode and just go along with what they think everyone else does without stopping to think about it. I think that is pretty much the only reason we still have this problem in the US.
/r/MensRights26/10/18 03:09 PM
16

For my son, I read the AAP's technical report on it. They are slightly pro-circ somehow, but I don't see how they managed to come to that conclusion, because reading their own research solidified my opinion that anyone who thinks it is a good idea to routinely do in 21st century USA is absolutely insane. I feel medical professionals are abdicating their duty to let people do it for reasons as stupid as "I want it to look like his dad's", without reading anything about it, or realizing that "slig…
/r/MensRights26/10/18 01:48 AM
2

NAME and SHAME!!!
/r/MensRights02/10/18 04:21 PM
3

If your religion requires a flesh sacrifice off of a newborn baby... maybe your religion shouldn't be tolerated.
/r/MensRights01/10/18 05:16 PM
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