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| 4 | How to respond to “who set that system up?”?Who set up the white feather movement? Who set up the Duluth Model? Who set up feminist organizations that support Amber Heard? Who set up the feminist organizations that fought against default to 50/50 shared child custody? Who sets the government when over half the electorate are women? Who sets culture when half are women? Who sets academia when increasingly men and boys are falling behind in education and when a majority of teachers are women? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/08/24 06:00 AM |
| 1 | The phase "feminism is for men too" is silly for two reasons.Respectfully, I think you’ve got traditional/natural masculinity quite wrong. If feminists are able to sand off any misogynist edges while keeping masculinity traditional or natural, the same must be true for MRAs’ ability to sand off misandrist edges from masculinity (and femininity); there’s no reason to throw out the baby with the bathwater. As long as gender norms aren’t strict nor harsh and they align with or are in harmony with human nature, then truly what’s the issue, whether for men or … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/08/24 01:47 AM |
| 1 | What do you want?Required paternal consent for abortion (with exceptions), similar to required spousal consent in Japan & Taiwan. (That’s a matter of equal rights, equal choice, equally weighed autonomy. We can have that debate.) Criminalization of false rape accusation. Default shared child custody. Abolish spousal support. Abolish child support. Criminalization of paternity fraud. Mandatory paternity testing. Gender-neutral approach to domestic violence. Gender-neutral approach to sexual transgression. Stealth… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/07/24 07:12 AM |
| 2 | Thoughts on how I could rebut this “gender conscious lens” argument?Maybe we’re too quick to assume we’re working from the same statistics. What if abused men are actually more often injured? Here’s a post from TheTinMen suggesting that new statistics depict such, including named source: https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/s/h9CE4FvLQF Moreover, are we factoring all DV-related deaths, including suicide and the proxy violence described by Dr. Warren Farrell? All that together paints a picture far from the premise that female violence is less serious, even if we e… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/07/24 09:59 PM |
| 1 | What are some mens issues that people don't know about?If the surrogate knew that failing to adhere to the contract’s terms would forfeit her bodily autonomy, she might have reconsidered entering into such an agreement in the first place. Violating her negative rights not to undergo potentially life-threating surgery on the basis of uninformed consent is especially egregious. And that isn’t to mention the women who would voluntarily cede their bodily autonomy merely for financial incentives - this a truly abusive dynamic, especially for low-income w… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/07/24 01:55 AM |
| 1 | What are some mens issues that people don't know about?Ethically speaking, likelihood of death cannot be the bar to determine whether a surrogate retains bodily autonomy It’s not controversial, the idea that likelihood bears ethical relevance generally speaking. Driving under the influence compared with purposely crashing into another occupied vehicle, on their own, they carry different levels of likelihood of fatally harming another, but one wrongdoing holds lesser likelihood of fatal harm than the other, and in part therefore one is uncontroversia… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/07/24 09:46 AM |
| 1 | What are some mens issues that people don't know about?(Four in 5 pregnancy-related deaths in the U.S. are preventable). Your link seems to be suggesting preventability through MMRCs’ recommendations of wider access to insurance coverage to improve prenatal care initiation and follow-up after pregnancy, providing opportunities to prevent barriers to transportation to care, and the need for systems of referral and coordination, not abortion. The issue is that the vast majority of pregnancy-related deaths occur either on the day of delivery or up to a… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/07/24 04:56 AM |
| 1 | What are some mens issues that people don't know about?I never said that the skilled passenger would be as ethically responsible as the skilled pilot, simply that the passenger would be responsible. Thank you for that clarification. The pilot would certainly be accountable for the plane crashing by virtue of his chosen position. However, it is his relevant piloting ability that assigns him the ethical responsibility to attempt to land the plane safely. Since you seem to grant that the pilot has more ethical responsibility than the skilled passenger,… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/07/24 07:13 AM |
| 1 | What are some mens issues that people don't know about?Of course it isn't absolute - under specific and extreme circumstances, where other rights significantly outweigh the individual's right to bodily autonomy, the violation of such a fundamental right could be justified. I meant to extrapolate from what I had understood you thought justified the compulsion of a pilot to fulfill their duty (regardless of what they consented to). I personally think the cost-to-benefit ratio matters less than the fact they consented to the duty (which caused others t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/07/24 02:26 AM |
| 1 | What are some mens issues that people don't know about?If one can defend compelling a pilot to fulfill their duty against their present will, presumably then bodily autonomy (of present will) is not absolute. Regardless of whether or not you factored consent into this assessment of ethical responsibility, this is interesting to me. In principle, this should be able to be applied to gestation, if only we granted the measured cost-to-benefit ratio to warrant it. I’d grant the ratios are not the same, but I’d posit the cost-to-benefit ratio may nonethe… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/07/24 04:26 AM |
| 1 | What are some mens issues that people don't know about?I never implied that one couldn't speak on ethical rights. But if I don't agree with your premise on what constitutes an ethical right, then I'm not going to attempt to argue the logic that derived from that premise. That’s fair, but then I’m not sure what moral status you would intend to ascribe to bodily autonomy other than a right to bodily autonomy. As I said in my first comment, there are myriad theories of normative ethics, but, from my understanding, unless someone is strictly an act cons… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/07/24 11:27 PM |
| 1 | What are some mens issues that people don't know about?I’m not challenging the metaethical position that ethical rights are subjective or stance-dependent, but even a subjectivist or metaethical anti-realist may speak of ethical rights. Even an error theorist may, if they’re consciously not using it the way they think is erroneous. You may describe ethical rights in scare quotes, if you wish; that is your discretion. With regard to solely ethics, a contract proves at least a prior expression of consent. Even if consent can be revoked, it doesn’t cha… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/07/24 08:57 PM |
| 2 | What are some mens issues that people don't know about?At least you seem to be consistent. There are countries, as I mentioned, such as Japan and Taiwan, which have their own laws. If you wish not to live in countries like them, that opinion is your discretion. Simply pointing to laws, however, does not make for a good moral argument. Perhaps one might just as easily say that, in Japan or Taiwan, married women may simply have the “desire” to abort without spousal consent. Not every legal jurisdiction even allows surrogacy; the European Union prohibi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/07/24 09:24 AM |
| 2 | What are some mens issues that people don't know about?Thank you for not downvoting me first of all, but I think all ideas deserve a fair hearing, even in precarious worlds, perhaps especially therein. If you could tell me where in the sauce you believe I got lost, this would be appreciated. Regardless, someone’s autonomy is constrained, would you not say? Or is (considered gender-neutrally) having no say in the killing of your own unborn offspring not a constraint upon autonomy? Presumably, a non-gestational mother, perhaps using an artificial womb… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/07/24 07:36 AM |
| 2 | What are some mens issues that people don't know about?I really appreciate that you offered constructive criticism. I understand pregnancy may involve medical complications for the mother. This is why I stipulated the exception of endangerment to the mother’s life. Gestation is the mother’s burden (until artificial wombs become available), yes, but if we grant that ethical obligations are mutual and equal, this (negative) right not be burdened by gestation must to be gender-neutrally measured against the (negative) right not to have one’s offspring … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/07/24 01:34 AM |
| 1 | What are some mens issues that people don't know about?Injustice to fathers from abortion without paternal consent. I’ve been working on making a post about it. Edit: I’ll just go ahead and drop here what I have so far. I offer to share ethical reasoning in I hope both a perspicuous and terse manner in favor of a cause often undiscussed within the men’s rights movement, i.e., redressing injustice to fathers from abortion without paternal consent. When a man and woman mutually consent to sex, she commits to a level of responsibility matching his for … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/07/24 09:22 PM |
| 1 | I work in a brothel — moms pay me to deflower their clueless virgin sonsI find it genuinely baffling that someone on the left would not already know this. I find it baffling that anti-capitalists still try to gatekeep the Left, even the far Left, to themselves, but, yes, I’m relatively familiar with anti-capitalist concepts of exploitation, well, exploitation of labor at least, not really exploitation of purchase or whatever you’re articulating, especially the purchase of something not covered under the to-be-seized means of production, i.e., sex. Even if that was w… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/02/24 05:25 AM |
| 1 | I work in a brothel — moms pay me to deflower their clueless virgin sonsIf I understand you correctly, your argument is that the sexual exploitation of men is okay because coercion stemming from material deprivation does not count. Surely, if z does not count as x nor y, that does not tell you I think that x nor y is okay. Edit: I understand that you are redefining all of those words to try to make your argument appear less horrible, but I'm using them in their conventional sense. I’m redefining all those words? I’m not even sure what your definition of some of thes… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/02/24 07:54 AM |
| 2 | I work in a brothel — moms pay me to deflower their clueless virgin sonsStill you avoid addressing how someone can simultaneously be a consenting adult making independent decisions about his sex life, while also being someone whose decisions about his sex life are being managed by his mother. An adult doesn’t have to be “independent” to be a consenting, able-minded adult, let alone a man. The onus is one you to demonstrate that anything from the article cannot be consensual. I’m not going to argue whether or not the men in the article can be independent adults. no, … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/02/24 11:18 AM |
| 1 | I work in a brothel — moms pay me to deflower their clueless virgin sonsthat's a fallacious false equivalency. The relationship between a man and a woman is not analogous to the relationship between a parent and a offspring. That’s a straw man fallacy. I didn’t say they were analogous nor equivalent. What is analogous is being selected by a partner (like a woman being selected by a man and consenting) and having a partner selected for you (like a man accepting a session with a sex worker selected by someone else). Don’t get things twisted. If you can’t separate diff… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/02/24 11:16 AM |
| 1 | I work in a brothel — moms pay me to deflower their clueless virgin sonsThe fact that Alice Little calls it consensual means absolutely nothing. Children are literally groomed from birth to obey what their mothers tell them to do, and that conditioning doesn't magically disappear the second someone is of legal age. Well, apparently the fact you call something non-consensual means absolutely nothing now. Adult grooming is meaningless moral panic. Adults can decide whether or not to obey or follow the suggestions of their parents. To deny otherwise is to infantilize a… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/02/24 03:24 AM |
| 1 | I work in a brothel — moms pay me to deflower their clueless virgin sonsThese "men" are literally having their mommies making arrangements So you come here in the comments’ section apparently to the rescue in the defense of these men, making the accusation of exploitation in their defense, and now you mock them? You really question whether these men are men? Make up your mind. Either you’re here to help men or you’re here to mock them, not both. It's their mothers who are infantilizing them Not nearly as much as you are. More fundamental than the power to arrange is… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/02/24 03:02 AM |
| 1 | I work in a brothel — moms pay me to deflower their clueless virgin sonsDid you read the article? Just read the following excerpt: She welcomes mothers who book appointments with her for their sons “so long as it’s consensual and the person is aware that this is what they’re getting as a present.” | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/02/24 11:45 PM |
| 2 | I work in a brothel — moms pay me to deflower their clueless virgin sons“Consent” under duress is a legal concept. I’m fairly sure there is no duress here, but this is not legal advice. Apart from legality, the idea that the social and psychological pressure for young men to get sex negates their consent is infantilizing nonsense. There’s no threats of violence, coercion, no forcible constraints, etc. Assuming those pressures were universal for men, then all male consent to sex would be negated. If we revise it a universality of those pressures for all young men, th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/02/24 11:42 PM |
| 1 | I work in a brothel — moms pay me to deflower their clueless virgin sonsImplicitly yes. This is the contrapositive of the statement implicit in your rhetorical question. Logically, p => q ≡ ¬p => ¬q. Explicitly yes. Your line of logic was if she'll sell them sex she respects them If she sells them sex, it does not mean she respects them. I’m not claiming she necessarily respects her clients. I think what my question was really implying was that you can’t know for sure that she doesn’t respect her clients, not because selling sex is respect, nor because because allow… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/02/24 11:14 PM |
| 3 | I work in a brothel — moms pay me to deflower their clueless virgin sonsWell, it’s not more important than oxygen nor the deprivation of equal rights, but neither is lack of pain. Naturally, different people have different libidos and different levels of desire for real or perceived intimacy, some very low and some very high, and the people with the most reliable information as to how important things are to them are those very same people. As to whether there’s a sociobiological basis for men expressing more persistent and intense interest in sex, and whether it’s … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/02/24 12:19 PM |
| 3 | I work in a brothel — moms pay me to deflower their clueless virgin sonsExactly. We must oppose illiberalism regardless of where it comes from, whether from the Left, the Right, female partisans, or male partisans. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/02/24 11:22 AM |
| 2 | I work in a brothel — moms pay me to deflower their clueless virgin sonsWhy don’t you instead critically evaluate the premise that it is inherently predatory for an of-age girl’s first sexual experience to be with an older experienced man? Does the principle of consent not matter to you? This has nothing to do with victims of sexual abuse, regardless of gender. One category is consensual while the other isn’t. Simple. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/02/24 11:18 AM |
| 1 | I work in a brothel — moms pay me to deflower their clueless virgin sonsHonestly, you make a good point, even though we disagree over whether or not to be supportive of these kinds of endeavors. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/02/24 11:06 AM |
| 0 | I work in a brothel — moms pay me to deflower their clueless virgin sonsOf course you’re on to something, but it’s completely possible to be both worried for someone and others both for someone’s sake and for others’ sake, even if some of it is misguided by misandric overgeneralizations of sexless men. Edit: Additionally, let’s not paint these mothers with a broad brush. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/02/24 10:54 AM |
| -3 | I work in a brothel — moms pay me to deflower their clueless virgin sonsLike if my mother did this to me i would felt like being raped by someone and having my agency be taken away. Does the following except from the article suggest anything remotely close to rape to you? She welcomes mothers who book appointments with her for their sons “so long as it’s consensual and the person is aware that this is what they’re getting as a present.” Don’t be confused. This is all expressly consensual. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/02/24 10:47 AM |
| 2 | I work in a brothel — moms pay me to deflower their clueless virgin sonsbeing exploited You have my sympathy, but why did you bring exploitation into the discussion? The story in the article has nothing to do with exploitation; it’s all expressly consensual. Why project your past onto others’ consensual loss of virginities? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/02/24 10:34 AM |
| 1 | I work in a brothel — moms pay me to deflower their clueless virgin sonsIf someone is unwilling to sell you something that they would sell to most people they probably don’t respect you but not necessarily because they don’t think you’re capable of making your own choices. Did I specifically claim that if someone is unwilling to sell you something then they necessarily don’t think you’re capable of making your own choices? I do not think so. just because someone is willing to sell to you, something does not mean they respect you Did I specifically claim that if some… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/02/24 10:17 AM |
| 1 | I work in a brothel — moms pay me to deflower their clueless virgin sonsAgain, what this article is talking about is all expressly consensual, so nothing to do with with the non-consensual things you mentioned. I think it does a disservice actually to those victims to compare them to these consenting johns. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/02/24 10:11 PM |
| 1 | I work in a brothel — moms pay me to deflower their clueless virgin sonsDepends which comments. Where I said that I think it must be seriously healing for them, I was replying to your saying that it must be seriously traumatizing to them, and since I assumed you were taking about the sons and Alice Little, that is who I was talking about in that instant, because paying for daughters to be deflowered by male prostitutes I’ll risk assuming is probably not a real thing, because they don’t need it for starters. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/02/24 11:28 AM |
| 1 | I work in a brothel — moms pay me to deflower their clueless virgin sonsShe welcomes mothers who book appointments with her for their sons “so long as it’s consensual and the person is aware that this is what they’re getting as a present.” These are consenting adults. On the contrary, I think it must be seriously healing for them. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/02/24 11:19 AM |
| 3 | I work in a brothel — moms pay me to deflower their clueless virgin sonsWell, she didn’t write the article. Rather, it’s an article written about her. As for what purpose this right-leaning news outlet covered this story, well, perhaps ad revenue and greater shock value or humor to their conservative-leaning audience. 🤷🏻♂️ Similarly, I know they also covered a story about an online advocate I’ve talked to by the name of Keith Pullman who advocates for the equal rights of consanguinamorists. Despite the superficial neutrality, in both cases, I think the NYP wasn’t a… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/02/24 11:12 AM |
| 2 | I work in a brothel — moms pay me to deflower their clueless virgin sonsSo the problem according to you is that a male prostitute deflowering daughters wouldn’t receive similar praise? Perhaps that’s because men and women don’t have identical issues. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/02/24 10:41 AM |
| 0 | I work in a brothel — moms pay me to deflower their clueless virgin sonsExactly. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/02/24 10:18 AM |
| 1 | I work in a brothel — moms pay me to deflower their clueless virgin sonsMaking If it’s all consensual, then no one is making anyone do anything. There’s nothing in the least bit wrong with someone’s first sexual experience being purely transactional. Dating is relatively transactional anyway as it is. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/02/24 10:14 AM |
| 7 | I work in a brothel — moms pay me to deflower their clueless virgin sonsIt’s important to question everything, but just as important to question our questions and those who ask questions. In this case, Alice Little is a very real person, as well as a sex educator and intimacy expert, who has her own YouTube channel with 100k subscribers. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/02/24 10:02 AM |
| 4 | I work in a brothel — moms pay me to deflower their clueless virgin sonsI’m 100% supportive of their rights, if everything is consensual, even if those hypothetical daughters don’t stand to benefit as much as many lonely men would. Now specify your problem with it. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/02/24 09:49 AM |
| 2 | I work in a brothel — moms pay me to deflower their clueless virgin sonsEven if female hypergamy was immutable, I have no doubt that economic inequality deeply exacerbates things. Economic capital even impacts health and diet, which can impact something like height, and that’s just one thing. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/02/24 09:32 AM |
| 1 | I work in a brothel — moms pay me to deflower their clueless virgin sonsHonestly, for many of these men, I think every dollar spent on a sex worker instead of a talk therapist will serve them better toward the improvement of their mental health. I don’t know if that would say more about sex workers or psychiatrists. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/02/24 07:54 AM |
| 2 | I work in a brothel — moms pay me to deflower their clueless virgin sonsYeah, the same lack of problem, however unusual your scenario sounds. Maybe she wants her first time to be with an expert for all I know. Remember these are consensual gifts. Even the worker in the article emphasizes that condition. The gender of either party doesn’t really matter. Edit: I don’t believe women and men have identical drives and tendencies sociobiologically, but the ethic of consent remains the same. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/02/24 06:51 AM |
| 6 | I work in a brothel — moms pay me to deflower their clueless virgin sonsHow do you know this worker does not at least respect her clients as human beings who can make their own choices? Because if she does respect them, that’s care. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/02/24 03:24 AM |
| 6 | I work in a brothel — moms pay me to deflower their clueless virgin sonsI think if there is a solution to hypergamy, it’s not in denying its sociobiological basis, but rather in wealth redistribution. Reduction of wealth inequality is reduction of status inequality. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/02/24 03:19 AM |
| 5 | I work in a brothel — moms pay me to deflower their clueless virgin sonsNeither is necessarily exploited, “mentally ill”, nor dependent, and to say otherwise would be an overgeneralization. I’m not saying exploitation does not exist, but such overgeneralization would be an illiberal moral panic. Sex work is no more inherently exploitative than fast food service for example; both may employ people who hate their job, yet need the money, and consumers get addicted to food too, which is even partly exacerbated by neuromarketing. So why should one industry be normalized… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/02/24 02:09 AM |
| -8 | I work in a brothel — moms pay me to deflower their clueless virgin sonsThis is perfectly fine. What’s the problem? All the more reason to legalize sex work. It’s not necessarily exploitative in either direction; it’s just a transaction. What would be bad is if these young men were pressured into something they didn’t want. And if you’re concerned that this will cause men to be addicted to GFE experiences, well, consider the possibility that it may have just the opposite effect. Loneliness is a health issue. This should even be normalized. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/02/24 11:59 PM |
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