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Solid line
/r/seduction05/11/24 01:30 AM
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I tend to agree... Trp is for gaining female attention in a massively oversaturated environment. After you have that attention, after you break through physical barriers... Then, you can either have the fling... Or.you can shift towards something yiu are happy with long term. Either she will follow you into that authentic version of you, or she won't. But gaining the option is the key of trp. Non red pill guys dont even get to the point of having an option.
/r/TheRedPill03/08/24 03:13 AM
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It could be related to the part of the country you're in. From the description it feels like this might be a north east area, where people are well known to be more reserved, aloof, and standoffish. Compared to, say, the Midwest... where friendliness is more normal. Still, the basic principles are the same... gain social standing, max out your looks, dress well, and get into positions where you are able to lead. .the , once you get attention... learn to handle it well. The most unusual thing abo…
/r/TheRedPill06/10/23 06:18 AM
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This. OP needs to gain smv. Looksmax, gain social standing via popular clubs, and meanwhile do-not-simp! Once you gain enough value, you'll get some attention. And then the issue becomes how to handle the attention properly.
/r/TheRedPill06/10/23 06:14 AM
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Ouch. Can you imagine how many opportunities you've missed that way? You're basically saying to guys that not only so they need the courage to approach you... Bit that even if it goes well... You'll never extend yourself to let him know it went well and that you want more. He basically has to lead you by the hand from being a stranger at a bar... A the way to his bed... Without any assistance you along the way. That's rough. And scary too... Guys are legitimately worried about catching charges i…
/r/seduction09/07/20 12:49 PM
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You realize how that sounds right? If you were truly not interested... That would be stalking, or he would be a creep, etc. You had to be giving him signals that you were interested. And if persistence is the tool you use to filter guys out... You'll discard great guys that don't want to feel that they are coercing you into anything. And you'll filter in guys that don't care whether you are attracted... They just keep hitting on you till you give in. That's a terrible method. would you tell that…
/r/seduction09/07/20 09:07 AM
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Did you see lavenderlexees post? She was saying that she knows right away if she wants to sleep with a guy... So if he walks away and comes back later, she still wants him. But here you are saying that walking away and coming back later leave you in position where the second guy might win, since the first guy didn't have as much time to impress you. Any thoughts on this contradiction?
/r/seduction09/07/20 09:00 AM
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Why on Earth wouldn't let other people talk to you long enough to have the guy you want to sleep with fade away? Why not, like, excuse yourself from the conversation and find a way to run into the guy you like? You seriously let that tiny obstacle end the night for you?
/r/seduction09/07/20 08:57 AM
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Bingo. And you're competing with them even if she never goes on a date with them. She sees a super jacked Chad "likes" her profile, and even if nothing happens, she gets such an ego boost that normal guys at the bar are now seen as less attractive. Because she could have had the Chad for the night.
/r/seduction09/07/20 08:51 AM
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Do you actively shut down the conversation with the second guy once you see the hmguy you like back in the room? Or do you wait and hope the guy you like circles back to you and interrupts the second guys conversation with you?
/r/seduction09/07/20 08:32 AM
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Does anyone have access to this content? It seems to be deleted, and the OP account seems gone... So no way to contact them. I'd really like to read this.
/r/seduction07/07/20 08:31 PM
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What does that mean?
/r/seduction22/03/20 05:01 AM
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Same... I'd like to read a more.inndeoth breakdown of the inflection points in your path. You didn't great job summarizing it, and i see the main points pretty well... But I think you've got an articulate way of speaking that would be great for fleshing out the headspace you were in that was negative... And what it felt like as it turned into a positive headspace. As you said, the original circles weren't the problem. It was your headspace. I feel like that's where I am right now... And I really…
/r/seduction22/03/20 05:00 AM
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Ok... I think I get it. But this can be explained with normal red pill outcome Independence, no? As I'm, a man that rejects a woman's suggestion by definition is ok with her saying that is a deal breaker and walking away. So being selective is a sign of a high value man. To zero in on the effects of the disgust mechanism, you'd have to not only be selective... But also Express that your choosiness is based on your being disgusted by something, rather than simply not preferring it. E.g. Her: let'…
/r/TheRedPill19/03/20 06:17 PM
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Thanks for the repost. Interesting stuff. You said you field tested this by racheting up your selectivity, and the women around you became more attracted. Can you indicated what arbitrary selectivity you chose to test in this way? E.g. what you began to express disgust at that you hadn't previously?
/r/TheRedPill19/03/20 03:45 PM
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Nah... I think it's real. Chicks are constantly comparing themselves to other chicks. So they constantly feel inadequate. Especially since they all show off their absolute best lives on Instagram. So they have this cognitive dissonance of one the one hand feeling they deserve the world because a few Chad's chose them for a pump... And also feeling like shit because their friend Tiffany has a hotter guy, or more money, or whatever. So this shows up in the dating market as the same girl being a su…
/r/askTRP17/03/20 01:23 AM
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I second this advice. Massive volume of new people ... You'll find the ones to vibe with... And they are easy and fun to be around. Even for an introvert.
/r/askTRP16/03/20 08:09 AM
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Well said
/r/askTRP16/03/20 08:00 AM
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Of course guys will respond differently to a hot girl approaching them vs an ugly girl approaching them. However, my point still stands. You have never approached a guy with a legitimate concern that he'll call a cop over and have to detained for sexual harassment. And even if a guy rejects you... He won't have the same default bitch shield that a majority of women have up 24/7. So I'm willing to gamble that your "harsh rejection" is not on the same level at all as a hot girl deliberately humili…
/r/seduction16/03/20 05:25 AM
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I feel you bro. But, there is a pretty ok answer for this. You need plausible deniability for the first few touches. Laughing and touching her arm... That kind of thing. (It helps if you become a somewhat jocular character, where being demonstrative is natural) Then, as you make those first few moves... Pay careful attention to her reaction... And you should be able to figure out if she's welcoming your touch, just tolerating it, or if she tenses up and is having a bad reaction. It can be subtle…
/r/seduction16/03/20 05:18 AM
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Lots of good stuff in this thread. Here's my 2 cents. A personality has many facets. For example, sometimes it is perfectly natural and energizing to talk at length, excitedly, about something. That happens when you're genuinely excited about it. E.g. if you love football, you could spend 30 minutes going on and on about the NFL vs xfl and why it's good or bad, etc. At other time, and with other subjects, it take huge effort to stay focused in the conversation. E.g. talking about accounting meth…
/r/askTRP16/03/20 05:13 AM
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You do realize that you have it way easier than men right? That 99% of guys will be happy you approached them. That you'll almost never get a cold suspicious look. That you'll never have to worry about catching sexual harassment charges just for speaking to a man. That's not to say you have no fear... But just to point out that even when a woman does make a cold approach... It isn't the same as a man making a similar approach. All that said, good on you, and I hope you find some wonderful men if…
/r/seduction13/03/20 07:16 AM
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Excellent comment. So good I screencapped it for future reference. It's unbelievably refreshing to hear a wan who is happy to have men learn about game. I always thought that nothing could convince a woman to do something she was dead set against doing... Including sex. And if that is true, then game is merely the description of how men should behave to initiate properly. Initiate a conversation. Initiate romance. Initiate sex. If men demonstrate this behavior pattern, the woman is able to feel …
/r/seduction06/03/20 11:18 PM
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Nicely said
/r/seduction06/03/20 04:32 PM
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Shortcuts exist for a reason. When your tow hurts, do you say "ouch my metatarsalphalangial joint is being impinged" No, so say "ouch, I hurt my toe" "Alpha" is merely a one one placeholder for the traits that attractive men have. Outcome Independence, a purpose, self esteem, never putting pussy on a pedestal, etc. Beta is similarly a one word placeholder for behaviors that women find unattractive. Supplicating, pedestalizing, difference, low confident, etc
/r/seduction05/03/20 03:32 PM
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It's all good brother. And you're right about different women valuing different specific points about men. E.g. a girl that loves a biker look vs a girl that loves a businessman look. But the point of seduction, game, and pua, is that there are "meta-traits" that are common to both of these men. Both are confident of their position in the world. Both are respected by their peer group. Both are not hesitant to tell the girl when she behaves badly. Both are not clingy, because they have many girls…
/r/seduction05/03/20 03:29 PM
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You're in the wrong forum then my dude. In this forum we believe that there are rules to attraction. Just as a woman is wise to work to get an hourglass figure... Men are wise to display traits that women desire. Granted, there are always exceptions... But the majority of men and women obey their default programming. If you don't believe that... Then that's cool... But this isn't the place for to. Cheers!
/r/seduction05/03/20 08:00 AM
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It's possible I missed some subtlety in your post. It just read to me like men should quit gaming and focus on their goals... and I think the need to do both. I almost feel like an acting class would be good for gamers... To be able to get into a mind state of a guy that has arrived, and act and react in the way that character would. And obviously, do it without seeming forced or faked. And everyone has stayed alive... So they do have some achievement under their belt... But we often view our ow…
/r/seduction05/03/20 07:57 AM
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Food points. And I can see it....I can see moves, the relationship between the moves... It would be easier to see at 1/3rd speed... But it's there..I can visualize it if I try. I'll keep at it... And I do genuinely have fun. It feels like ice skating... Intend to from alot, because it's fun. And that attitude, I think, is the key. Isn't it. Thanks
/r/askTRP05/03/20 07:50 AM
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Not from me man... That's a thing I'm trying to figure it myself. I feel like I need a legit personal stylist.... Like Jennifer Aniston played on "friends". Well... One thing I thought of is just going to a woman's salon... The kind of place that does 50.dollar hairdos. They might be able to envision a new style for me would suit me. But IDK
/r/askTRP05/03/20 07:46 AM
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I know a guy that does swing dancing, and any city he goes to, he has a new pack of friends within a week. Dance people are friendly, especially if you dance well. And they are less afraid of physical touch. And that's huge for me. I need touch, and I was raised to be super skittish about it. I wonder if you can go into a bit more detail about how you meet girls that are friends with dance girls? I'm not sure how knowing dance girls from the club would give me access to their nondance friends. T…
/r/askTRP05/03/20 07:45 AM
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I know about salsa through friends, and actually had a ldr for about months with a friend of a friend. The mutual friend was her ex... And the two of them met at salsa. So at least sometimes, it seems, dancing cane lead to dating and sex. And it does thankfully tend to attract a younger crowd. I'm definitely depression prone, although I've dealt with it for so long that I can generally disregard lingering belief that life isn't worth living, and I can see how mastering dance could be a huge tool…
/r/askTRP05/03/20 07:39 AM
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Your not wrong... But I don't agree. Yes, men should pursue excellence. Yes, achieving excellence will typically.mean that women will be attracted to you. But. Excellence doesn't occur overnight. And I don't think it's necessary, or even good, for men to settle for lacking women while they work to achieve excellence. "Be on your purpose"... Easy to say. But if your purpose will take 5 year or more.to come to fruition. What of the man's mental health in that time? Does he not legitimately need so…
/r/seduction05/03/20 06:47 AM
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You either didn't read, or didn't understand my comment. The twin goals are alphaness and congruence Show while being alpha. Alpha. Best Mediocre. Mediocre. Tolerable Alpha. Beta. Bad Beta. Beta. Worst Aim for the highest alpha you can pull off congruently
/r/seduction05/03/20 01:16 AM
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Nope. I know what OP is trying to say, but it's said poorly. The point is to be congruent. Best is to congruently be alpha as fuck. If you can't pull off being a badass with congruence... Then next best is to be as close to alpha as you can, while maintaining congruence. Worst of all is congruently being a "niceguy" beta. That said, I'd like to see some good examples of different styles of game. Most coaches I've seen have a very similar style. It's a laid back, witty, sexual vibe... That, while…
/r/seduction04/03/20 10:20 PM
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I think my takaway is to never ever get serious with any girl that isn't breaking rules for me. I only want to be with a girl that worships me. And even then.... The stories of the wife that stops wanting sex after the marriage.... Hells no.
/r/askTRP04/03/20 08:58 PM
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Tell the story man. I need to hear it. Most of my circles are conservative and religious... And yet even there I have a buddy that fucked a leader girl on their first date. this is a part of red pill that's hard for me to swallow. And I need to really internalize it.
/r/askTRP04/03/20 08:49 PM
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Damn. This is what scares me about marriage. That women can get so relaxed in it that they change their tune 180 degrees. I mean... If BJ's hurt her, she should never ever have done them. There's no excuse for changing her desires after getting married like that. Marriage is a bad deal. For sure.
/r/askTRP04/03/20 08:39 PM
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This. There is no power greater than veto power. She can still choose the place to eat that way... Simply by vetoing everything else. But if it's a bad time... She can say the man chose it.
/r/askTRP04/03/20 08:26 PM
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Interesting. In this example, it doesn't sound like age was actually a problem for the girl. She heard your age, and immediately when to a tease about herself being a little girl but comparison. Right? That doesn't sound like she was considering your age gap to be a real impediment to a possible hookup. The core of this interaction seems to be you using the age thing as a pretext to disqualify your interest... Which put her into female-self-qualification... Seeking your validation.
/r/askTRP04/03/20 05:45 AM
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I can confirm the demographic of early 30s guy who completely missed the college partying and 20yo club scene. Nothing can bring back my youth, but I'd kill to have the life you're describing. My sticking points right now are I need to get into the ownership side of the coin. I've been saving like crazy for years, and I'm about to take my shot in real estate. Try and get an income property up and running. I've got to get free of the corporate 9 to 5 grind... It's killing my soul, and it takes mo…
/r/askTRP04/03/20 05:31 AM
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God damn. How in the hell do I become him?
/r/askTRP04/03/20 05:10 AM
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I think this much is quite true.
/r/TheRedPill03/03/20 06:28 PM
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Ahh... Gotcha. So the core here is to make the question of age be linked to a problem in her mind. Then to own that same age-problem as yours, and you overcome it. Her: how old are you? Me: why do you want to know? Her: my friends tease me when I bring an old guy home (So now we know that her issue with age is all about how she tells the story to her judgmental friends) Me: (laughs) you're friends know altogether too much about your private life. My friends would.tease me too.... If I told them …
/r/askTRP02/03/20 10:05 PM
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Example of "flipping it"... ?
/r/askTRP02/03/20 05:12 AM
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What kind of graphic tees, if you don't mind my asking? I've been told that tshirts with logistics and writing and stuff are a young guys game, and make older guys look tryhard and weird. But if you are having good success, I'm open to the style. Can you maybe find on example outfits online and link them?
/r/askTRP02/03/20 05:11 AM
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A girl I was talking to you for awhile give you some advice on this that I actually do trust. She said it isn't that there's one style it's better than another precisely... But that the style ought to go with the rest of your look. If you are usually a metrosexual thin tall clean cut clean shaven guy, then go with shaved body hair. But if you're a lumberjack look, flannel shirts, jeans, work boots, beard etc... Then leave the body hair fluffy. it's basically about choosing a personality to expre…
/r/askTRP29/02/20 09:42 AM
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Sort of. And yes. Sort of, in that many many many girls are liberal. Yes, because even some of the most conservative Christian girls I know have had sex on the first date. Etc. I find out from a male friend of my that banged her. And this is a Bible study leader and everything. And it was recently too... Within the last 4 years. So she was late 20s. So yeah... As much as I think a conservative girl is the best odds for a marriage ... I've about lost faith that any good ones remain.
/r/askTRP29/02/20 08:16 AM
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I could see how this might vary between girls, but the bottom line is that for you, there is no real point in "building rapport" beyond the initial contact. Either the vibe is there in few minutes... Or it's not. If the coincidental contact is so brief that the guy can't build sufficient rapport with you in that location and in that time frame... The interaction is dead on arrival. So the only next step worth considering with a girl like you is a direct escalation into a date. If the vibe is the…
/r/seduction29/02/20 07:40 AM
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I don'tont know what themis sentence means... "I've only had a few "dates" agree to a date for me in my life..." But your last sentence nails it. This is just a noticably feminine apprachnto relationships.
/r/seduction28/02/20 06:05 AM
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"she replies something"... Can you elaborate in that? Seems like an important plot point.
/r/seduction28/02/20 05:33 AM
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Are you shy by nature, or bold? I know lots of girls raised in conservative environments who are way too intimidated to hold contact intensely... And I totally buy that a girl like that could love being touched while blushing like mad and looking away to maintain her composure. If she didn't like being touched on the legs... Why on Earth wouldn't she just pivot to a normal seating position. If needed, she could say it was uncomfortable sitting the other way any longer.
/r/seduction28/02/20 05:32 AM
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I feel you hard bro. No real advice here... Except the usual. And maybe this... If you think about it... The girl you fell in love with is a girl that wants you. Desires you. Feels lucky to have you. That girl doesn't exist. The girl that's going to Cambodia is a different entity, who just happens to look like the girl you would give anything to be with. This entity looks like her, sounds like her, acts like her... But doesn't want you. So that's not the girl you fell in love with. Maybe you'll …
/r/seduction27/02/20 08:52 PM
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Since you're female.... I want to get your thoughts on something. I get that as a female you have plenty of options, and want to make sure you vet a guy before you spend time with him. However, this leads to a conundrum. what do you do with a guy that seems interesting, but there's no plausible reason for you to hang out at that moment, and no probable way of running into him again? Like in this thread. Random dude meets random girl at trampoline park. The odds are very good they'll never see ea…
/r/seduction27/02/20 08:00 PM
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". I have had dates (and people trying to escalate from acquaintance/coworker into friends) set up plans with me that I hope will fizz out because they're not reading me well enough and putting the responsibility on me to reject the offer and say I don't want to hang out with them." You make plans with someone, while all the while hoping they will fall through. You want the other person to be the one to end then attempted escalation. This is a conflict averse strategy and more typical of female …
/r/seduction27/02/20 06:44 PM
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You're assumption about my intentions are white incorrect. I'm using specific language to try and be precise about my question. Your advice is essentially to not flirt. This flies in the face of almost all game theory, which says it is a man's job to ensure that the interaction with a woman contains clear indications that his interest in her is not platonic. So depending on exactly what part of the game sequence you're talking about, your advice makes perfect sense... Or no sense. If you are des…
/r/seduction27/02/20 04:18 PM
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This is hilarious to me, because in the vast majority of situations... It's the guy planning and executing everything. Carrying the entire interaction. And it's the girls that bail the very moment their whims of feeling tingly aren't satisfied. Lol Not hatin'... Like gravity, it just is what it is. But it's still funny to read this.
/r/seduction27/02/20 04:04 PM
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I tend to agree with you... But you are describing only one phase of game....the attraction phase. Specifically A1 and A2 (iirc)... The phase where you open then disqualify yourself to remove her anxiety about your intentions. But once you get into the set, and are having a platonic conversation... You have to escalate eventually. You have to guide the conversation away from the mundane and into the sexual eventually. You've got to see her hook... Then make her qualify to you... Then build comfo…
/r/seduction25/02/20 06:34 AM
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Five feet rule? Do you mind putting it here so it's easy to find? Thanks
/r/seduction25/02/20 06:27 AM
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Counterpoint. I'm taking a salsa class right now... It's all women except like 3 guys. Don't know most of the women's status (and don't really care atm) but single guys in the world of dance is rare... It's a great place to be around women, and interact with them. You have a reason to be there, you can disqualify yourself by being legitimately focused on learning to dance well... And use the sideways contact with the girls to dhv you confidence humor, etc I think this concept is a good one... Bu…
/r/seduction25/02/20 06:21 AM
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I think this quite often comes down to learning styles. While their are certainly guys that post shit and pretend they have it all figured out... There are also guys that are genuinely trying to get from incel to natural game, real abundance, and legit alpha. And in their journey, they are trying to learn... And some.pekple learning styles that benefit from teaching. You know how they say the teacher learns with the student? They mean that while you may be knowledgeable about a certain subject, …
/r/TheRedPill24/02/20 07:23 PM
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Are you male or female?
/r/seduction24/02/20 07:03 PM
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Whatever bro... You let a girl get too bf/gf with you... So you've got to deescalate. Call it whatever you want. But you've got to withdraw attention until she gets to the appropriate level of investment. And like it or not, that's what girls do all the time..give an orbiter some attention, until the guy invests... Then the girl can drift away to other guys..coming back only as needed to keep the orbiter in the right orbit. Girls do it for attention. Guys don't for sex. But it's the same mechani…
/r/askTRP19/02/20 06:49 AM
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Covert contract.. exactly. My first girl did this and I realized it, and we had a talk... And it was cool because I was upfront about me still being on chapter 1 while to seemed she had moved to chapter 5. (Calling me bf and all) It spun down after that, but safely.
/r/askTRP19/02/20 06:28 AM
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Do what girls do.... Progressive ghosting. Just be busier than usual... And gradually pull away. Girls can't go ballistic (well, not in a way their friends support) if your gradually lose feelings for each other.
/r/askTRP19/02/20 06:26 AM
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This. 100% Hold frame for sure... But this is definitely a symptom that she needs comfort. So note that and give her some comfort talk later. The later part is important... It means it is given on your time table, and she can't push your buttons and git comfort.
/r/askTRP19/02/20 06:16 AM
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Gotta say it right though... Or else it could read as an insult. Might be better as... "I'm the best there is, babe, so I'm jealous of nobody ;) "
/r/askTRP19/02/20 06:11 AM
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Another super relevant bunch of info. I think my intuition warned me about some of that. I had an ex, ldr, bipolar, who regularly used to threaten to burn me with family and friends. And while she never executed on that ... The sheer nuclear Holocaust of such an action keeps me very wary of social circle game. Fooling the blue pill, find a girl, make her a gf, be exclusive, get dumped pattern is pretty safe. But anything related to multiple girls feels super unsafe. Oh, I should mention that my …
/r/askTRP19/02/20 05:18 AM
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Excellent info. Thanks. The key here, I think... Is that you look at the guy, the guy looks at you... And here it is... By holding we contact, you nonverbally acknowledge that you were looking at him, and that you don't mind him looking at you. Is that the subtext that is being communicated? This communication is repeated over time to make clear that it wasn't a one off fluke, and that you did indeed intentionally signal that message. Whereas an accidental eye contact is then studiously avoided …
/r/seduction19/02/20 04:51 AM
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Thanks for the info... All of that makes sense. There's a girl I met at a networking event that another guy mentioned she asked about me... I haven't seen her since then, but it did bring her higher on my radar. About the staring.... I want to try to define the eye contact behavior if a shy girl who is interested, vs a girl who finds a guy interesting to look at, but not someone she wants to pursue. A girl that stares, and then looks away once the guy notices, rather than holding the eye contact…
/r/seduction19/02/20 04:31 AM
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I won't argue that... I think it's possible that she was feeling a bit low, and I charmed her enough that she gave in to a temporary doing... Already knowing that she wouldn't stay with me. But if that's the case, she was a dammned good actor. I don't think she was "cheating" at the time, because we weren't even "dating"... So she was free to go out with other guys, and vice versa Honestly, I've accepted that it's over... But I'd give anything to know what actually happened. It's an itch I know …
/r/askTRP19/02/20 04:22 AM
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Was? Like, past tense? Is the group dead? I have connections in Chicago, but I'm only there every few months... It would be fun to actually go out with some real pua practitioners next time I'm there... If the group is still active... It would be cool to chat privately about that. ...
/r/seduction19/02/20 04:00 AM
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Good way to meet women of a certain type. That type being thin, athletic, healthy, spiritual, and generally well off money wise, since yoga costs money. Also, it's basically just stretching and body weight calisthenics. Both are important... But stretching is key to injury prevention.
/r/askTRP08/02/20 05:15 PM
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God damn I wish I was you. You're thinking straight brother, and if you keep this mindset you will slay both the pussy and life. Kudos. And good luck!
/r/askTRP08/02/20 05:13 PM
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This!
/r/askTRP08/02/20 05:09 PM
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Can you go into more detail on tjmhis technique that you used? In particular, I'm interested in the protocol you used when you and a guy would lock eyes across a room, and you would break eye contact and look away. What communication would you send by different reactions to locking eyes with a guy? E.g. you're looking at a guy, he notices and looks back, you lock eyes, and then ... Y after x time you look away.... Then after x time you look back. I want to understand this signalling method from …
/r/seduction08/02/20 05:00 PM
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I think I have a similar instinct... But it isn't directional. If a human (girls and guys) is interacting with you, and is really interested in your... They'll hold eye contact and have engaged body language. If they aren't so interested, they'll have a tendency to "scope out the room" for better options. This typically manifests as eye contact for awhile, and then the eyes slide off to the side to scan the room. The body language is still engaged, but much less intense... I.e. they won't be lea…
/r/seduction08/02/20 04:56 PM
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Not a very helpful comment, as written. If shy girls don't hold eye contact, and instead use other methods to display interest.... List out those other methods so we can learn from your experience. Thanks.
/r/seduction08/02/20 04:50 PM
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I feel like there's more to say about eye contact. Locking eyes, and then looking away is generally considered a submissive nonverbal. Which makes sense via evolutionary biology... The lower status makes defer to higher status males. But I'm not sure about make vs women differences. You are suggesting that once a guy has eye contact, he should maintain it until the girl looks away first. But girls will almost always do that, whether they are interested or not... Most people.in general are not co…
/r/seduction08/02/20 01:18 AM
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Really solid point about group asd. I never thought of it that way.... That asd isn't static, but context dependent. So a whole group of girls (the standard mode of operation for females) can be goodie two shoes in most situations, and shame each other for going off script and letting a guy score with them... But that same group can, by unspoken consensus, temporarily suspended their morals for a night... By slowly risking some dirty comments within their group, then drinking, and risking some m…
/r/askTRP08/02/20 12:29 AM
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results are resukts... but buying a girl a drink is widely panned as bad game everywhere I've read about it... Although that's usually in the context of a club. Mainly, I don't want to set a precedent that when propose a date, the assumption will be that I'll be paying for her. I don't mind buying a coffee for her first date... But then when date 2 comes along... how do you manage the seeming backpedal of splitting the check?
/r/seduction07/02/20 08:02 PM
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I hear you telling a story from your perspective about the cons of being so attractive that you are given almost unlimited opportunities to aatiafy your romantic desires. But what I'm not hearing is anything to indicate that you've considered what life is like for an average man, who is literally never approached. How does that man go through life? How does that man obtain the romantic connection that you have presented to you multiple times per day? You see approaches as an inconvenience to you…
/r/seduction06/02/20 04:25 PM
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What's your protocol for paying for instant dates? Do you pay? Or assume that it's each paying for their own? How many approaches will you do in a session? And how many instant dates will you gonna be in a day (obviously if you strike gold, you focus on that girl... But if it's just a mediocre connection, do you get a number and try another set for another insta date?) Cheers
/r/seduction06/02/20 03:54 PM
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Brother, I seriously needed to hear this right now. Just had a date with a girl that has been happy to be in my world, even ask when she had a bf. I kept at it, since she continued to be responsive to texts and hangs... And now she's broken up... But on our date last night she was willing to let out my arm around her, but she was not reciprocal, not did she seem to"warm up"... But my instinct is that if she wants to be at my place, watching movies alone, and doesn't protest when I touch her... S…
/r/seduction06/02/20 03:46 PM
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Then usual I guess... She said things that touched my soul. Said she was so attracted to me. Said she didn't deserve me. Said I was precious to her Said I loved her so well Said I was perfect Said I did all the right things Said I said all the perfect things Said she knew she could take me anywhere and people would be so impressed with her And she backed up everything by being physically affectionate, freely escalating with minimal asd. Being vocal when she was with me. Etc I had never experienc…
/r/askTRP06/02/20 05:16 AM
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"the one time I tried the out right cold approach" You're building a whole philosophy off of a single experience. Trust the men here... If you, as a female, explicitly offer sex. Most men who find you even marginally attractive will simply agree. And boom. No game needed. Also, you don't have to phrase it as baldly as you did. If you make it crude a guy can feel "used" in the same way a wan can feel used. Much better to actively escalate with a guy you like over the course of an evening. Ending …
/r/seduction05/02/20 08:04 AM
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My take on it.... Take the flight. If she offers a place to stay, take it. If you can fuck her... Do it. But... One say of the trip... Find a reason to rent an airbnb. Maybe so you can go surfing early, or something. This shows that you are still independent of her. But overall.... I think the free vacation is worth it to you, even if the girl flakes.
/r/askTRP05/02/20 07:44 AM
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This. Exactly this.
/r/askTRP05/02/20 07:39 AM
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How can you be driven... When you basically have achieved your goals. (PC, porn, good grades, meh) Answer... Find a bigger goal. So, fuck school, career, family, etc.... What is something that you personally find cool. Could literally be anything. Example... A guy who just loved waves made a career out of swimming into breaking waves and photographing them from the inside. Maybe it's sailing around the world. Maybe it's rock climbing. Maybe it's making trance or house music. Basically... There i…
/r/askTRP05/02/20 07:38 AM
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God damn... The same 48 hour turnaround! That was the thing that really bent my brain. I mean, I get a girl changing her mind... But a 180 in such a short window .. damn. And wait, you were out of town when it happened? That's freakishly coincidental. Same for me.
/r/askTRP05/02/20 07:27 AM
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This. Allllllll of this.
/r/askTRP05/02/20 06:22 AM
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Damn! This is a really solid analysis! Downright University level game theory here. So the key to a kidding reputation Holocaust is to.. 1. Build comfort before a pull. 2. Ensure there is plausible deniability 3. Disqualify your interest in sex if any asd is shown. Resulting in a girl that feels like you care about her as a whole person, can tell her friends that she was with you for a good reason, and thinks your interest in sex is secondary to your interest in her. Something like that? And as …
/r/askTRP05/02/20 06:15 AM
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Damn... Bpd is a bitxh, isn't it. How did that manifest for you? Mine was love bombing, just perfectly hooked me.... The discarded me hard. 48 hours from excited to see me, to breakup via SMS.
/r/askTRP05/02/20 05:56 AM
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Also good info thanks. Actually, super relevant for me, as I tend to get I to social circles and work to become embedded and rise up the hierarchy. I've been a bit worried about gaming one girl, in case it poisons the entire group and stops my game... But evidently you fucked the friend... And then the target... Even though the target knew about your player ways... So that's good news for anyone doing social circle game.
/r/askTRP05/02/20 05:26 AM
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Appreciate the feedback. I certainly agree with age not being a big deal, and that the feels is King. Mainly, I just don't often run into young girls like that in my usual circles. Or, maybe they are there, but I suck at gauging ages? Anyway. Thanks for the info.
/r/askTRP05/02/20 05:23 AM
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How's the female situation there? Does being the rich (by comparison) white guy pay off in easy pussy? (I'm assuming you are in programming for your day job?)
/r/askTRP31/01/20 10:57 AM
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What does it mean that you "designed simple products"?... did you invent something, then have it made overseas? Or what? Thanks
/r/askTRP31/01/20 10:54 AM
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How do you start as a handyman though? Like, where does your fist handful of gigs come from, and how much do those gifs pay?
/r/askTRP31/01/20 10:48 AM
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I'm trying to get a real estate deal cooking this year. Any tips from your first house? Things to avoid, things to demand? Etc. Cheers
/r/askTRP31/01/20 10:43 AM
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Damn! Sounds like fun. Just record everything... That should prove consent, right? Ugh. Stupid modern feminism.
/r/askTRP31/01/20 10:37 AM
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This I'll say that again... This Women want power over men. And they use their bodies to do this. Much better to deny her your attention. If she offers sex... You might use her. If you can handle it. But either way... You remain above her... Unaffected by any attmepts she makes to influence you.
/r/askTRP28/01/20 06:25 PM
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Troll is trolling hard. Lol
/r/askTRP28/01/20 06:19 PM
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The dream stuff is solid... But only to be used in late game... C2 location.... To build deeper rapport and comfort. To start with, light, laughter and innuendo is where it's at.
/r/askTRP28/01/20 06:19 PM
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This Also This
/r/askTRP28/01/20 09:56 AM
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There's skin dye... Idk if you consider that makeup. It's semipermanent... Lasts a few weeks or something. But honestly.... Your skin tone is not the make or break thing. Like... Chicks will barely notice the difference. Do you really want darker skin that bad? It won't change your game results.
/r/askTRP28/01/20 09:49 AM
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Agreed. Sounds ideal. Plus, you can game in the remote cities as a tourist, other as a frequent visitor. Find the best spots, have a nice company paid hotel to shag at.... Sounds really perfect.
/r/askTRP28/01/20 09:46 AM
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That's how it struck me as well. My instinct would be to make a joke out of it ... "Do you often find guys that had a terrible time with you contact you for another round?" But honestly, her tone is confusing to me. Afraid that this girl doesn't actually have the balls to reverse her "decision" and reach out to OP for another session... Unless he keeps her talking and can leader her to a loophole for her damn hampster. Idk... But good luck bro... And keep us updated.
/r/askTRP28/01/20 08:41 AM
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I second this... About actually genuinely wanting to learn to dance. I've only barely started to learn, and what I see in dance is a physical expression of healthy gender dynamics. The man leads, and the woman follows. I'm dance this is made explicit... And I think a woman who is a good follow in dance has a higher probability of being a good partner. Also, I recognize in myself a difficulty in connecting to my physicality and sexuality... And I think be internalizing the protocol of dance... By…
/r/seduction28/01/20 08:22 AM
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Any idea how to find it? I'd like to read the old Post.
/r/TheRedPill28/01/20 05:50 AM
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Did you find it? I'd like to read the old Post.
/r/TheRedPill28/01/20 05:50 AM
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I agree.... It would take much to have the top Hollywood stars come it openly as having, say, a triad relationship, especially under the banner of lbgtq+ inclusivity.... And from there it's a short trip to being openly poly. And if that becomes normalized at that level, it will trickle down soon enough.
/r/TheRedPill28/01/20 05:33 AM
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Thanks man. Good to hear more reports from the+ age bracket. And not surprising to hear that getting ripped af is a major factor to get multiple women into you hard enough that they put up with being fwb and such. Moral of the story= read the sidebar books and hit the gym. It gets old reading that but it's the common thread I keep seeing. And probably not simply because of the optics of a gym body... But the alpha swagger of a bro that knows he looks hot. But either way... Time to hit the gym. C…
/r/TheRedPill28/01/20 05:27 AM
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Can you expand on that? On why men cheating is of no consequence?
/r/TheRedPill22/01/20 04:53 AM
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If you've been on both sides of the dynamic... Can you spell it the steps you took to switch sides, and then point at which you could see the effects start to pay off?
/r/TheRedPill22/01/20 04:52 AM
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This. Completely nailed it. And it explains the trajectory of the western world. And birth control was then turning point. Without that, hypergamy has a natural protection... Girls that sleep around get knocked up and drop out of the sexual marketplace... So they need to look down a committed provider. (That might be a rich Chad... But even then richest Chad's have a limit on how many knocked up harem girls they can support. Both financially and more importantly emotionally)
/r/TheRedPill22/01/20 04:48 AM
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How old are you? Any other factors at play? As in, what initiated the change to having multiple girls as fwb/gfs
/r/TheRedPill22/01/20 04:44 AM
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Around their 30s they get sluttier because they realize that male attraction for them is fading, and they are trying to grab on to whatever they can find. In an ltr, they get sexual to keep their man from trading up to a younger model.
/r/askTRP20/01/20 08:37 PM
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I don't follow your train of thought. No one, male or female, looking for ltr or looking for ons, wants to spend loads of time texting. The point of this advice in texting protocol is to show that the man is vetting the woman, and not just reflexively grabbing at any shred of attention and going for a date invite. Texting back and forth a few times about fun topics is a way to show that you aren't desperate. Todd isn't recommending that you wait weeks and spend time on hundreds of texts. It's es…
/r/seduction20/01/20 03:29 AM
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This. Go back as a part of your normal life... And see if she repeats the pattern. If she does, you can go for a conversation, mention an event, and if she's enthusiastic about it, offer to contact her with details, and thus get her number.
/r/askTRP20/01/20 03:17 AM
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Hahahah... What the hell did I just watch! 😂
/r/seduction20/01/20 03:12 AM
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Yep. For the girl in this thread she's reading this line as if it was delivered as a ploy, and detectably so. Like an insecure boy is playing at pickup. And if that's how he sounds... Yes, it's a turnoff. But if a guy builds attraction, and the girl is really into him... She is hoping he's into her... And in that state of mind, she wouldn't this line differently. Because in that state of mind... This guy is not simply one option of many... Hes the best option. So in that case, her statement of "…
/r/seduction20/01/20 03:06 AM
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If she isn't up for a casual relationship, then by definition she is looking to settle down. Maybe not a marriage, but the girl you are describing is looking for a commited ltr... And will not enter a relationship simply to enjoy the moment by moment experience.
/r/seduction19/01/20 07:43 PM
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Bookmarked... Super solid stuff man. Will reread later
/r/TheRedPill19/01/20 07:40 PM
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Can you expand on that? What was the successful result of this action, compared to the prior state? Thanks
/r/askTRP19/01/20 07:01 AM
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I think this is the actual top comment. If OP is getting what he wants... He's golden. So long as he doesn't get oneitis, that is. And yeah, tread carefully if this girl ever hints at an ltr. With a girl that stayed with an abuser, you can't drop frame ever. I don't think she's an alpha widow... But she definitely is a flight risk if she gets bored.
/r/askTRP19/01/20 06:58 AM
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I'm reluctantly going to jump in and defend this guy. I'm redpilled enough to accept that women are behaving in line with their natural programming, just like wolves, or bunnies, or any other animals. However... If you, as a woman, can't see the horrible duplicity in standard female behaviors... That troubling. One good example is woman that leave their men as soon as his status drops. E.g. losing a job, getting ill, etc. This is bad behavior in any human, but it happens with clockwork precision…
/r/seduction19/01/20 06:20 AM
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You say this is confirmed not to work... Well, what is confirmed to work. And I mean actually scientific here. The OP shares his own success rates, and he has tried different styles.... What styles have you tried, and what were the relative success rates? I'm always looking for accurate and verifiable data. Thanks
/r/seduction19/01/20 06:04 AM
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You're attributing the difference to age. I.e. it works for you girls, but not old girls. I propose it isn't age, but interest. Young girls have tons of options, and they are playing the field to gather experiences. They don't want to settle down... They want to play. Old girls are tired of the game, they don't want to play anymore... And... They have far fewer options. Thus, young girls are hard to attract, hard to hook. And must be gamed via text. But old girls are more interested in the few g…
/r/seduction19/01/20 06:02 AM
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Pua at it's core is the attempt to turn "art" (how high status men act towards women "naturally") into "science" (a set of actionable steps that any man can follow to achieve similar results to the high value man's natural game) If you're a natural... Why are you here. If you aren't... You need a framework to learn behaviors which work to get women.
/r/seduction19/01/20 05:57 AM
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Excellent breakdown brother! Huge props. Tldr for anyone ... The key to getting a girl to hook via text is the same as in person. Get her to invest. In particular... Match her text delay, and then cut it in half as an experiment. If she follows suit and maintains the new shorter delay, you're on track. Continue to shorten the delay til it's sub 5min. Then push for the date. Then keep chatting for a bit. Then end the chat (with a dhv if possible) If they don't match your shortened delay, fall bac…
/r/seduction19/01/20 05:45 AM
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I'm going to hijack this thread for 2 seconds to ask this, since your a woman. You're at a club... Your with your girls.... You dance with a dude, yours enjoying it....the guy wants to take you to another section of the club, out of sight of your friends... Do you let that happen? Do your friends let that happen? Do you have a girls pact to keep an eye on each other? Should the dude just try to escalate in place, even with your friends not far away? Cheers
/r/seduction18/01/20 01:48 PM
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Really solid point about physical escalation happening during transition points between locations... I'm going to watch that video and see what you've got. Thanks!
/r/seduction18/01/20 12:29 AM
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I'm torn on this... And only you know what vibe she's putting out. if you really are in danger of sliding into the fun chatty guy category... then you want to sort of dim that memory in her mind. That way when you reach back out in a week or so, she'll have pleasant memories of you... But you can be a slightly different person. You can be a more deliberate physical guy, rather than just a fun chatty platonic guy. But if you haven't slid that far into the friend zone... Maybe texting her sooner w…
/r/seduction18/01/20 12:27 AM
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the reason there was no explanation is that there was no plausible excuse to touch her since they were sitting at a table or whatever and having a conversation. There's no reason to reach across and physically interact with someone when you verbally interacting with them just fine. The poster above nailed it ... And honestly I didn't even think about it that way... but most touches happen while in transition from location to location. once you're in a static location, there's no reason to being …
/r/seduction18/01/20 12:25 AM
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Ask them how a guy can know if he is one of the few they wouldn't glad to put out for. What signals to the send while at the gym that a guy can pick up on and make an indirect approach? Eye contact, and smiles, and the normal iois... But in gym it's higher risk. Guys definitely don't want to offend or scare off a gym girl, hell a guy might get ejected if she complains. Thanks
/r/askTRP17/01/20 10:33 PM
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Ahh... It's a euphemism for "should I cry in from of LTR". Thanks. I was being super literal and it made no sense. Lol
/r/TheRedPill17/01/20 08:54 PM
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Ah... Fair enough. So my assumption is that guys are the more interested party in 99% of conversations. So if OP opens the conversation, the guy will play that leading role. She doesn't have much to lose. Cheers
/r/seduction17/01/20 06:08 PM
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Oh geez.... I just popped over there. What an astounding collection of white knights. Granted, cover contracts of the niceguy are not ok... But damn, talk about entitled and clueless girls.
/r/seduction17/01/20 06:06 PM
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It's all anecdotal... But I see it differently. It isn't based on who initiates the conversation. It's based on who is more interested. E.g. a man initiates with a woman who was quiet praying that he would come over and approach... The woman will.contribute massively to the conversation. Smiling, giggling, asking questions, being emotionally reactive and investing. A a man initiates a conversation with a woman that doesn't really care.... He will have to carry the conversation and she will give …
/r/seduction17/01/20 05:12 PM
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This. Record... Everything! Phone calls in particular. And even if your in a double party consent state... When the moment is right, record her consenting to you recording everything. That is, when she's in a compliant and scared mood... Turn your recorder on, and tell her... "Listen, your behavior has been erratic and concerning. From now on I'm going to be recording everything we do, or were won't interact anymore. Do you understand that? .... Yes.... I need to know that you understand what I'…
/r/askTRP17/01/20 05:01 PM
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Best answer in this thread. Short answer is... OP is unsatisfied. He wants a girl that actively participates in sex, even initiates it. Is adventurous in the bedroom, and in real life. One who wants to go out and enjoy life. This girl's is not that girl. And for that reason, he needs to exit. Even if she was settling, if she behaved in the way the OP desired... It would be ok (just don't marry her, #divorcerape) If he does like the girl he can downgrade her to a plate, possibly... And it may be …
/r/askTRP17/01/20 04:19 PM
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So what dod you learn bro? Sounds like it was heavy... But that kind of psychology stuff fascinates me.
/r/seduction17/01/20 06:12 AM
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Regardless of whether it's coincidence or him trying to get in position for making an approach, you have literally nothing to lose by breaking the ice with a noncommittal remark about your environment. E.g. "watch out for that puddle" and seeing how he responds. If he wants to have a conversation hell build in whatever you give him e.g. "oh, wow... Thanks! I must be going blind to have missed that. Lol" In which case you can make another comment, and now you're in a conversation. If he doesn't w…
/r/seduction17/01/20 06:10 AM
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"You're allowed to like yourself, respect yourself, think that you're interesting, attractive, worth speaking to, and valuable" ... And a woman who gets to spend a few moments talking to that person... Is lucky because she was chosen for a fun conversation. It's just like a game show contestant jumps up and down and feels lucky to have been chosen to play "the price is right". You're getting hung up on the term "lucky"... Some guys will resonate with "she's lucky to talk to me" more than "I'm a …
/r/seduction16/01/20 04:56 PM
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The operative word here is "more".... There can't be much neediness before a woman cheats. Period. But comparing younger vs older girls... The older ones in a LTR will tolerate relatively "more" neediness.
/r/seduction16/01/20 04:48 PM
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You haven't provided enough background for me to comment on your situation. Are you hot or ugly? Are you religious? Why did you chase nice guys? What do you mean by "nice"? How did they "burn" you? Pretty young girls very rarely pursue men who are primarily kind, rather than primarily hit and/or high status. And nice guys rarely "burn" young women... Precisely because they are kind. The relationship may we'll end, but it will end gently, and not as a "burn". Something smells funny about your sto…
/r/seduction16/01/20 04:46 PM
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Whatever you do don't tell her about it. It may seem like The Honorable thing to do, to tell her the truth... But think of it this way. Her state of mine is under your control. You can give her the gift of safety and calm, by never giving her a reason to doubt you and never telling her what you've done. that's a hell of a gift... Doesn't this amazing girl deserve peace of mind? if you tell her what you've done you'll destroy your peace of mind. You are the one that cheated, your mind deserves to…
/r/askTRP16/01/20 04:41 PM
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Meh. A man who is approaching a woman, already has acknowledged that he finds her attractive. So the default state, if not altered by other factors is at least some degree of pedestalation. That is, the man is lucky to behave the ability to approach and talk to this beautiful girl. Line 2 is an equalizing thought, to reinforce that the girl is also gaining value from the interaction. Consider if you were a world famous comedian... All of the cases you just mentioned, the girl would indeed be luc…
/r/seduction16/01/20 04:24 PM
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This. Girls at different stages of life pursue (and settle for) different things. Young girls pursue alphas for the thrill of it, and because they have the smv to bag an alpha for a night, and they are willing to settle for a pump and dump. Older girls pursue guys that give them comfort, partly because they have been burned by alphas long enough to dislike the casual treatment and partly because they learned that they can't get alphas to commit, and these girls will not settle for a casual fling…
/r/seduction16/01/20 06:09 AM
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For people that don't know (like me) Ffmi stands for Fat free mass index.
/r/askTRP16/01/20 05:41 AM
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What would be a good replacement for Netflix and chill? The beauty of Netflix and chill was that it was easy, and it was at the c3 (I think) location. What's the move now to get a girl back to your place with plausible deniability? Board games? Artwork? Home brewed craft beer? It's got to get her to my place on particular, and yet not scream sex. Any thoughts? Thanks
/r/askTRP14/01/20 01:44 AM
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So... This leads to a natural question... What is the most effective strategy to increase make smv? I think the first answer is to git the gym and lift. Having a chiseled physique is running game on easy mode. But then what? What's next? Money? Get a new career? Education? Get an advanced degree? Wealth? Get into investing so that I don't need a 9 to 5? Cars? Get a good ride (luxury or classic sporty)? House? Get a bitchin crib? What's got the beat payoff in girls getting wet okce they learn thi…
/r/TheRedPill14/01/20 01:38 AM
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That's a really solid point. That being a good looking male -> creates -> game mentality... And then game mentality -> keeps the alpha in pussy even if his looks aren't quite there anymore. Looks teaches how to treat women as if you are a high smv man... that kind of aloof treatment is natural for a man with a true abundance of options. The normal looking guys have to get inside the head of a good looking guy, and act the way he acts naturally. Well spotted.
/r/TheRedPill14/01/20 01:35 AM
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A few follow-up questions. Are you a religious person? I believe that factor is a large variable in this equation. Do you let the guy pay for the first date? Because if so, do you recognize the danger for a guy to pay for a date, not get a kiss, and never see you again, yielding a net loss to him? How don't feel about a guy asking you if you'd like to kiss him? This is an old line, and was used back in the day to gauge a woman's interest without making a bold move to initiate a kiss. If she said…
/r/seduction14/01/20 01:23 AM
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I just saw that. TBH, I'm still utterly confused by this. Like, maybe if the plate is an ugly crackhead? But a normal girls... I cannot imagine ever touching a homeless guy..like. under any circumstances. Maybe hostel traveling college girls, who just don't care about money... But even then, you've got to be clean and smell good. I'd love to see some infield of a homeless guy really running effective game, I feel like I'm missing something to understand it.
/r/askTRP10/01/20 03:15 AM
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The only thing I think is worth analyzing is howbyour behavior might have changed over the course of the relationship. Trp says that men often get attached and change... And that might play into this. But fundamental... Her death is not your fault. Not just because she was in the wrong. And she was. But because depression, suicidal depression works it's way into a person like a splinter in the mind. The feeling that life is unbearable, not because of any specific event, but just generally filled…
/r/askTRP10/01/20 03:03 AM
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Two things. Rock on brother. Surviving that crap is a badge of honor. How in the hell did you have a plate while you were homeless? What's the story there? Where did you find her, what did you provide, etc.
/r/TheRedPill10/01/20 02:55 AM
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I don't know if social circle is great for game... It's localized to a single circle, and there can be social pressure on girls not to be slutty... And there can be back channel communication among the girls that can suss out a player running game on multiple girls, and the player can be blown out of a whole circle with one mistake. So... For game... Meh. However, for quality of life... You need to work on building social circles. No doubt. I've been a complete lone wolf before, where no one wou…
/r/seduction10/01/20 02:46 AM
1

I kinda get the "I don't feel like a really care" thing. But to me, it seems related my widespread depression issues. Like, I honestly don't care about being alive... But I'm aware that this disinterest in living is not because life isn't worth living, but because my organic computer (brain) is warped and giving faulty output. And so I don't kill.myself, because I won't take action on the basis of a faulty computer output. In the same way, sometimes I feel like I'm an outcast in a group, or that…
/r/seduction10/01/20 02:40 AM
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Wait a minute.... You scored with chicks while essentially homeless? Dude, you need to tell this in more detail. What game were you seeing, what chicks we're you targeting, what we're the logistics, etc. And honestly, how hot are you?
/r/askTRP10/01/20 02:25 AM
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"they stuck around because divorce wasn't an option" This. Mother fucking this. No fault divorce is a horrible idea. It strips marriage of the only thing going for it... A permanent, irrevocable lock in.
/r/TheRedPill06/01/20 05:51 AM
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Define "seems positive". Or more helpfully... List the signals that you send when you notice a guy looking at you, and you want him to approach, vs want him to stay away. Thanks
/r/seduction03/01/20 06:52 PM
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Some good stuff here. Seduction is a large subject... But certainly part of it is getting over the self preservation instinct. Accepting that in the modern context, there are lots of women to try to approach, and rejection isn't fatal anymore. Leagues do exist.. but a man's value isn't readily apparent on a cold approach. So he can, by his behavior, occupy the same high value level as the pretty girl. For awhile anyway. And men can grow their value in a number of ways, which can authentically ma…
/r/seduction02/01/20 06:22 PM
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This
/r/seduction02/01/20 05:55 PM
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Well, he does have the advantage of being a pro athlete. Lol So the takeaway from that is mostly photos of himself with a friend or two, taken by others, and lots of sports. ?
/r/askTRP02/01/20 07:37 AM
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How did you find out about the quiet dates and even more... The ditches. I would think she would be on the DL about that stuff. Chris rock had a great thing about girls never getting rid of a guy, even though they get rid of girls all the time. Like.... What happen to Tina?... Oh she thought she was cute. = Ejected. But a guy, they always keep around for backup dick.
/r/seduction02/01/20 07:35 AM
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Yeah. Pretty straightforward. Although... I've never heard of quiet dating. That's interesting. I was just hypothesizing that girls do this a lot. Because to them... It isn't a date unless they kiss. (Or whatever line) For guys, the point of dating is sex. So we gain nothing from this sort of"quiet dating". But for girls, the point of dating is attention. So they definitely get something out of a coffee date or a dinner... Even if nothing physical happens.
/r/seduction02/01/20 07:29 AM
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I'm sure we've all had bits and pieces of that. But the details change... And exposing red flags can be helpful if fellow trper runs into the same brand of crazy. I.e. a girls that refuses to let you meet her parents... And then you find out that she's estranged from them. Or whatever.
/r/seduction02/01/20 07:09 AM
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I think we all agree... We're just saying it differently. My take on it is that game comes in waves. You start "as yourself"... With poor results. You learn some game... And you become a fake person, pretending to be confident, etc etc. And you get better results. You self reflect, and see the neuroses and pathologies that are a part of your (current) personality. (Daddy issues, childhood trauma, soeach impediments, bad clothing style,etc) and you start to work on those. Then... Near the end... …
/r/seduction02/01/20 06:52 AM
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Sounds like some good stories there man. Share them with the community, all data is good data and who knows, you might help brother out.with the lessons you've learned.
/r/seduction02/01/20 06:42 AM
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I like a lot of this. The short version is that conveying emotion is a core component of connecting with other humans. Women included. But all communication that exposes a weakness must also show, clearly, that the weakness was handled, and the man reigns supreme as a competent king of his life. So a man was afraid... But he acted courageously. A man is sad... But he keeps moving forward Etc I'll add one other thing. Pua is all about building attraction... Aimed at creating arousal. Trp is more …
/r/askTRP02/01/20 06:37 AM
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I think all pua and trp theories should have a image of the author attached... Because the game is just vastly different based on the man's smv. A super hot stud, who a woman finds she is able to get him to be vulnerable with her... How special does that woman feel? She cracked the code no other hoe could crack! The hero let her into his most vulnerable sacred space! She wins! But for an average guy, one that her girlfriends aren't all jealous of and hot to jump?... The woman falls for the image…
/r/askTRP02/01/20 06:21 AM
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That link is solid gold!! This bit just rang out with truth like a bell... From Of Love and War: We want to relax. We want to be open and honest. We want to have a safe haven in which struggle has no place, where we gain strength and rest instead of having it pulled from us. We want to stop being on guard all the time, and have a chance to simply be with someone who can understand our basic humanity without begrudging it. To stop fighting, to stop playing the game, just for a while. We want to, …
/r/askTRP02/01/20 06:14 AM
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This. The rational male link posted in this thread is perfect. Totally worth the read. The idea of vulnerability as an asset is an inherently "logical" one. That is, in order to see a weakness as a strength, the mind has to get involved. E.g. a coach is choosing teams for a relay race... And on student says, "oh, by the way, I sprained my ankle last week". On the face of it, that's a weakness. And the coach will feel instantly that the student should sit out the race. But if the mind gets involv…
/r/askTRP02/01/20 06:12 AM
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This breaks game theory of attraction. Yes, women have visual instincts... But I've spoken to many who all give examples of guys that change the initial impression (increasing or decreasing attraction) based on behavior. So, it's more accurate to say, that if you've blown a set.. the attraction isn't there, and you haven't got a prayer. But until then, the point of game is to build attraction to the point where the girl is smitten with you. That's the fabled hook point. That's where game gets ea…
/r/seduction30/12/19 06:23 PM
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I don't have words for how ... Enraged? ... This makes me. And I'm aware that feeling anything is pointless, the facts are the facts... But that women can have such incredible abundance, without lifting a finger to earn it... Just gets to me. Granted, not all women have this lifestyle, and most women don't even want this lifestyle (most crave monogamous relationships where their man makes them feel chosen and safe (nevermind that if the guy messes up the balance she'll find a new dick in 3 hours…
/r/askTRP30/12/19 06:19 PM
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Please share a bit about where and how a 30yo guy can find and attract a 22yo girl. What's your game? Thanks!
/r/askTRP30/12/19 05:56 PM
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I have to agree... My oneities was a Christian girl too... And was so clueless about sex that she was legitimately worried that she might have gotten pregnant when I fingered her. Which would tend to indicate that she was truly naive. However... That same girl had gotten D cup breast implants. No one I've talked to can reconcile those two facts. On the one hand clueless about sex... But on the other hand an elective surgery to enhance her sex appeal. I'm still clueless. Although... For the cert …
/r/TheRedPill30/12/19 04:50 PM
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I haven't heard this term nearly as much as the female version... But I think the make version definitely exists as well. I had an ex... Easily an hb8.5... fake tits, pretty, smiled all the time... And far more importantly... The things she said to me... That I was her world, that she was so attracted to me, that I loved her well... That emotional connection, mixed with an eagerness for physicality that I've only seen once before... Enjoying making it, vocal about her pleasure, crying that she d…
/r/TheRedPill30/12/19 04:43 PM
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Agree to disagree. I prefer to be dumped gradually. I'm betting girls would too. Essentially this method communicates that the dumpee is a less valuable time investment for the dumper than other things and people. Which is precisely the reality. It isn't that the dumpee is a bad person, or has committed and unpardonable crime... It's just that other things are more attractive to the dumper. So communicating exactly that seems like a valid path. On any given occasion, the dumper is too busy with …
/r/askTRP29/12/19 06:28 AM
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This. Thank you for being honest about why you kept guys in orbit. There are two things that hit me when a girl has lots of guy friends. If she is in denial about there desire to escalate with her... Then she is rationalizing abusing those guys. She uses them for attention and validation, but doesn't feel any responsibility to give them affection, etc that they need. A woman who doesn't consider how she affects others, is not a woman I want in my life and I long term. A woman with many guy frien…
/r/seduction29/12/19 12:14 AM
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This. I think this is the simplest way. And it's reasonably kind.
/r/askTRP28/12/19 11:06 PM
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This Although I wouldn't phrase it so harshly. I'd just say that a man should only pursue a woman that he would enjoy being with. Now, that might include a fattie now and then if she has a cuddly and affectionate personality. But if a girl doesn't 1. Make you want to spend time with her and 2. Make your dick hard... Then don't lead her on. Find a chick you actually want to bang, for whatever reason, and game her.
/r/askTRP28/12/19 10:52 PM
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I, and many on here, have definitely seen girls flirt with guys that he'd no interest in. That flirting brings in male attention, even from makes she's doesn't want to start something with. So no... Girls definitely do flirt with guys and lead them on.
/r/seduction27/12/19 10:41 PM
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This is exactly what i hypothesized! That the main issue is a mismatch in n count experience levels. That a virgin man is happy with a virgin woman. ...a virgin man will be unhappy with a high n count woman. ... And a high n count man will be happy with a high n count woman. It isn't the n count per se... It's the mismatch. And in particular, the man's feeling like his life was less sexually abundant that the woman who he is with Glad to see external confirmation of my theory. Cheers
/r/askTRP27/12/19 10:38 PM
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Depends on what the girl gets out of him prior to the sex. Is he listening to her problems, giving her attention, etc.. and then eventually maybe getting random sex when she wants it? That's what the OP describes. And that's beta. An alpha isn't ever an "orbiter"... He doesn't ever give his attention away without getting sex back.
/r/askTRP27/12/19 10:15 PM
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Well done! Congratulations on waking up and seeing intergender Dynamics clearly. You won't have to do much... Just work ok signalling you're interest to a particular man... Behaving towards him in ways that are noticably more open than the way you behave towards other men... And he'll be glad to meet you halfway... More than halfway even. BTW... How old are you? Cheers!
/r/seduction27/12/19 10:05 PM
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Jerks approach any women they are attracted to. You cannot prevent this. The only control you have over that mechanism is to be uglier. You'll get approached less if you go to the grocery store in dirty sweats and greasy hair. Good men care about the women they approach. They only approach if the woman signals interest. But... Hot women font even notice, much less signal interest in, good men. So good man get passed over .... Until they learn that the game favors players. And so those former goo…
/r/seduction27/12/19 10:03 PM
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Great stuff man... Appreciate it! I hadn't thought about flirting with married etc for the sake of the word of mouth... Good point there.
/r/seduction27/12/19 06:46 AM
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Yes. Protip... Those girls listen to podcasts like Lauren southern
/r/askTRP27/12/19 06:20 AM
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It's true for girls as well as guys... But you, as a girl, need to be a bit careful. Guys generally suck at flirting and need to learn... And if that describes you...proceed with the OP advise. However... Flirting with guys who you have no attraction towards is confusing to many guys, who are generally poor at reading romantic signals anyway. And Can really screw with a guys calibration. It's essentially leading him on. And guys that get led on and then rejected are not good news to be around. E…
/r/seduction27/12/19 06:01 AM
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Probably a mix. Dominate somewhat at first... To show your skills and position in the hierarchy. Then dial it back and show concern for your girl.... Spending time protecting her instead of just crushing the enemy. Together this shows that in this domain you are Hugh value... But that you have a sense of proportion about this just being a game.... And that you care about the girl.
/r/seduction27/12/19 05:53 AM
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Well said. And what reservations a young man might have about multiple sex partners...he's probably just fine with having multiple cuddle partners. 👍
/r/TheRedPill26/12/19 01:45 AM
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To reply to myself... I'd like to mention that I don't have a particular answer in mind. If pressed, I would say that Western society... Or maybe just all advanced societies place sexual contact into a category all of its own. That excesses in this area are worse than excesses in other areas. I suspect this is is simply not true. Insofar that God dictated that marriage be special... I do think there is a good degree of caution called for on entering such a union. But dating is not marriage. I'll…
/r/TheRedPill26/12/19 01:44 AM
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Get a black light... Does pussy juice show up? Surely it does.
/r/askTRP25/12/19 06:59 AM
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Um... Always be playing other girls. Period.
/r/askTRP25/12/19 06:58 AM
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I get what you're saying. But my experience, as an introvert... Is that socialization stamina goes up if I lean into it. I.e. if I make myself go do it long enough, I can do it longer each time without getting drained. I suspect it has something to do with threat sensation. E.g. as a beginner, everything is a threat. So the brain is over clocked to forecast the future and prevent walking into traps. But after doing enough of it... The brain says, screw it, you aren't going to die. Shrug. To your…
/r/seduction25/12/19 06:57 AM
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Thanks man. For future readers... Bad = Defend, Explain, Excuse, Rationalize Good = deflect, Agree and amusedly amplify, repeat, exit.
/r/askTRP25/12/19 04:37 AM
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I looked for sidebar stuff... I'm not seeing it. Link?
/r/askTRP25/12/19 04:22 AM
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I think I can reconcile it... Maybe. It is saying that lacking sex was a mistake, and fixing that tired an improvement because the lack was replaced with a contentment. But the sexual act itself, is trivial in the larger scheme of things. So... Sex or no sex... The sex is trivial... But getting to a headspace where a man isn't preoccupied thinking about sex (or lack thereof) is crititcal to having a good life. So monk or player is fine... But afc longing for sex is bad.
/r/seduction25/12/19 04:14 AM
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Yeah, I've read some, but not all of them. But the specific point of noticing an issue like this .... And then getting ahead of it via active action rather than a proper reaction... That's worth pointing out clearly... Which you did... And which I applaud. I think a lot of laid back guys have this problem... Of genuinely being easy to please. For laid back guys, the question is "how do I handle to a woman being needy for X"... Through guy doesn't want to cave in and give them X... But also, he d…
/r/askTRP25/12/19 01:40 AM
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I think it bears repeating that in some cases a girl will genuinely hampster her brain into not realizing that a guy wants a romantic relationship. So long as she can delude herself that a guy might just be platonically friendly... Then she is justified in "stringing him along". She'll put the burden on him to force an awkward scene attempting escalation (and jeopardizing the friendship)... And if he doesn't, then it's "not her fault" that she treated him like an orbiter "friend". Messed up BS..…
/r/askTRP25/12/19 01:31 AM
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This is really smart 👍👍
/r/askTRP25/12/19 01:22 AM
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This is good... In moderation. But as a female... Be honest about what will make you happy at age 43... And if a family is part of it... make studied point of finding good men. And training yourself to be attracted to good men. Putting off that work till you're 30 is a great way to end up alone and bitter. So yes, focus on yourself... For maybe up to a year. But then buckle down and hunt the kind of man you really need to be with to be happy at 43. Cheers!
/r/seduction25/12/19 12:55 AM
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Can you talk more about how you built your rotation? As in... You're out gaming, and the girls want to lock you into an ltr... How do you avoid that and get them in board with being a plate or multiple gf? Also, how do yoy reconcile game plate theory with "finding Jesus"? Cheers bro.
/r/TheRedPill25/12/19 12:49 AM
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Huh? What is "dare"... And exit? I've not heard these terms before.
/r/askTRP24/12/19 11:41 PM
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OMG that sounds awesome! Like a high school movie. Damn it.
/r/seduction24/12/19 07:30 PM
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I've heard from others that gun range is a very masculine thing... And gets them in the frame of thinking your are a real man. Report back bro. Sounds like a good plan.
/r/seduction24/12/19 07:29 PM
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Huh? Can you explain what you mean?
/r/seduction24/12/19 07:28 PM
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Target as in the retail store?
/r/seduction24/12/19 07:27 PM
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Paintball!... Genius!
/r/seduction24/12/19 07:25 PM
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Anecdote from a female I spoke with for awhile. She (36f when I talked to her) flew 800 miles to go on a camping trip with a guy she had been texting with. It was their first meeting, and they went off into the wilderness and shared a tent. This was a conservative religious girl, btw. No sex (according to her, and strangly I believe it) just plenty of petting. So if the attraction is there, girls will do dangerous things.
/r/seduction24/12/19 07:25 PM
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Basically, yes. Lol I intended... tell if a girl is special in the way that makes a contented long-term-relationship possible As in... If you see enough options, and find a girl that stands out... Then you'll be content in a locked down exclusive ltr.
/r/seduction24/12/19 01:39 AM
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This is interesting to me. I think what OP is saying boils down to... Game all females at all times. Some will be direct targets, and you lay those when you can Some will not be available or interested... Game them anyway, but lightly... These girls will walk away thinking you are an awesome guy, and might yield a passive stream of incoming targets but introducing their other friends to you. Some of these will become available in the future and can be direct targets then. So... Instead of mailin…
/r/TheRedPill24/12/19 01:18 AM
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This. Damn... Well said man. Can you add any personal results anecdotes? Like before vs after lifestyle results? I find little success stories help me stay motivated.
/r/seduction23/12/19 09:07 PM
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This. And this is the reason to play the field for awhile. (Hint, girls do this too. It's just super easy for them) Once you get a sample of the options... You'll be able to tell if a girl is social in the way there makes a contented ltr possible. That's my theory anyway.
/r/seduction23/12/19 08:58 PM
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Thanks for the info man... It seems like you've got some experience that I could benefit from. The girl I'm dealing with, we hadn't slept together. We had actually only hung out 4 times. (Side note, it's common for religious girls to assume exclusivity after a few dates, and it still blows my mind. How is that at all logical or even positive? That's a great way to get your heart broken, to go exclusive that fast, and then have to break up later. Ug.) So M found out via her friends that I had cof…
/r/seduction23/12/19 08:54 PM
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This! I'm in the early stages of dealing with reputation management and my social circle game. (Had a girl learn about another girl) I went the honest route, and laid out all about how I do relationships, what I aim to find, and how I plan to get there. We'll see how that works out in the coming weeks.
/r/seduction23/12/19 02:55 AM
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Annnd this is why I haven't bothered with tinder. Although I have a huge goal in the new year a listing and getting my SMD higher... So probably what I want to do is create a set of accounts now as best as I can do, and record the results. Then create entirely separate accounts after I get jacked and see what the difference is. I hear guys talking about how they jumps from the 80% to 20%... But I really like to actually see some raw data, like actual text chats and liking ratios.
/r/seduction23/12/19 12:33 AM
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Damn bro! I like the balsyness of it. Definitely post back with any updates!! Also, as an aside... Where/how didn't find a plate willing to dish out fingering videos before ever meeting you? I need to play in that pond!!
/r/askTRP22/12/19 08:45 AM
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Bookmarking this page. Would love to setup a way to share audiobooks with each other... I take long drives sometimes, and some books are easy to find, and some are impossible to find in audio format.
/r/askTRP22/12/19 08:37 AM
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Yep. Women ghost all. The. Damn. Time. Because they usually have the power. This is the power men need to truly learn.
/r/askTRP22/12/19 08:34 AM
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Solid point.... The mouth is guarded... but the jaw is not. And once you have contact, you have history.
/r/askTRP22/12/19 08:32 AM
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I haven't heard that before, somehow... And I like it. "How you meet them is how you lose them".
/r/askTRP22/12/19 08:31 AM
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That's wild bro... A girl bringing friends on a date? Seems super immature. Like, scared. Are these chicks super young? Hmm. Anyway, keep us posted. Seems like a fun experience to have in your life, gaming in Japan on easy mode. Lol
/r/TheRedPill22/12/19 08:10 AM
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How is your game in Japan? Are you drowning in willing pussy? (Compared to london?)
/r/TheRedPill22/12/19 07:15 AM
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Super interesting... If a bit wordy. Anything else in this vein, we should collect into a megapost.
/r/TheRedPill22/12/19 07:09 AM
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So you are saying that tinder one night stand types just lay there.... But long game virgin lays are more active in bed? And which of these two types are masculine, as described in your second paragraph?
/r/askTRP22/12/19 04:51 AM
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That isn't much info. The fewer dates to lay... The more promiscous the girl. Which could mean more experience sexually... Or it could mean more traumatized. But 2 vs 3 dates... Or 2 vs 3 weeks... Is a trivial difference. But if all your bad lays were 2 date lays.... And the dew good ones were 6 month games... That would tell us something.
/r/askTRP22/12/19 04:36 AM
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I agree. Religious girls don't all an awful big game... But I know for a fact that they still put out for alphas. And they are hugely validated via social media (just like all girls these days) so that they have no idea what their true smv is... Which leads to them acting incredibly entitled. Demanding dates, gifts, long waits for intimacy, etc. Meanwhile, the church has a massive taboo about sexual contact... But no issue at all with a girl locking a guy up in a commitment.... Without ever payi…
/r/askTRP22/12/19 04:04 AM
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In fairness I should also note that a woman who has been used by Chad's in her your, does indeed experience a shift in her priorities regarding mate selection. So some of this is pure delusion, in that they hampster their way into thinking they are still just as desirable. But some of this is a genuine change in their preference... To prioritize beta qualities (kindness, for example) since they finally recognize that the Chad's will always treat them as pump and dump whores. This is important to…
/r/askTRP22/12/19 03:47 AM
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If anyone has links to good example insta game sites... Link it up in here. Like a guy who has an on point insta and is getting good game results... We need to see some examples. Thanks
/r/askTRP21/12/19 08:52 AM
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Also... Some post wall women simple move the goal posts. Although they don't get pursued by jacked Chad's anymore... They still get pursued... Just by bald accountants with Priuses... And they just make that the measuring stick. That they have matured and prefer more mature men. So they can delude themselves that it isn't themeslves that are not pretty .. it's that they choose these older guys.
/r/askTRP21/12/19 08:50 AM
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It's not about their profession... It's about the method by which you find them.... Are they drunk-dancing at bars? Or do you meet them in church? Do you date them for a month before the lay, or the same night? Etc etc More info needed.
/r/askTRP21/12/19 06:22 AM
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I'd agree with you in other situations. But this girl is conservative religious... And literally parks next to me in the lot. The problem with social circle game is that everyone knows everyone. If I play this wrong, not only might lose her... But that could spread to other prospects. So the "hey babe, I'm seeing multiple girls" without context would next this girl... And it would blow me out of the whole circle. However, playing it this way... She knows what I'm about (not being exclusive) ... …
/r/askTRP21/12/19 06:20 AM
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Because this way she can either next herself, since I'm playing the field. Or she can stick around and see where it goes. Either way, I don't have to dump her and deal with the fallout (since she lives in my building)... She gets to choose. Win win
/r/askTRP21/12/19 05:02 AM
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Maybe you don't let her cum instead. Get into it, get yours, get her close... And then hold her down as you whisper... "Disrespectful girls don't get to cum... Whose the bitch now?" I'm not sure how serious this suggestion is, I've never been in that situation. But basically you need a way of topping her harder. And conveying that she has misbehaved, and they their is a price to be paid. A price she won't enjoy... But she will take. Something that will motivate her to change.
/r/askTRP21/12/19 04:19 AM
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Ok. Fair enough. I'll mention briefly... are your messages the kind that a reply is assumed? E.g. ending a message with a question. Because of it's just a sentence that needs no response... I can get just letting it be... Rather than responding Everytime. But if it is ends with a question and she just doesn't answer... Yeah, that's not cool. Samples... "I loved this pic of a koala 😆" Vs "Look at this pic!... Is that not the cutest thing ever?" The first one ... She might reply with "Awww" But it…
/r/askTRP21/12/19 03:49 AM
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How do you know that... See this is important info man. Just write the whole thing up. Then you can get good info.
/r/askTRP21/12/19 03:40 AM
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Then the answer is simple.... Use a messaging tool she actually checks. E g. SMS. You can ask her what method she checks the most, or just observe her with her phone.
/r/askTRP21/12/19 03:37 AM
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We need to know about your selection process. Where are you finding your girls. What are their backgrounds. How soon are you laying them Etc etc etc Different populations of females have different behaviors.
/r/askTRP21/12/19 03:21 AM
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Dude... If you want good answers we need to know what she did. Because it could be that she deserves thrown out. Or it could be that you are an oversensitive baby about something stupid. And the actions for those things are very different. So just spill the beans... We'll tell it to you straight.
/r/askTRP21/12/19 03:17 AM
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The advice is good. You are in fact open to a LTR at some point with the right girl ... right? So that's what you say. No need to shut it down so hard. If she wants more than you can give at any particular time... She can walk away, and with your blessing. You had some good times, and her clock is ticking... She has every right to try to find a guy that is on the same page as her. Leave her better than when you found her. 👍
/r/askTRP21/12/19 03:15 AM
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100% yes. Invariably the days I most want to kill myself are the days when there is no connection between the daily grind of work and social stuff.... And anything I truly value. Like advancement, promotion, or relational connection.
/r/TheRedPill21/12/19 02:37 AM
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Ok... With that setup... It's time for show and tell. So, a year of direct approach daygame... And what has been your results. How many lays compared to what you were doing before... (And what were you doing before?) Cheers!
/r/seduction21/12/19 02:26 AM
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Yes, girls know guys see their looks, that's why they dress pretty or sexy. What an indirect approach gives them is plausible deniability. It isn't a guy wanting her body... Noooooo ... It's a guy who is fascinated by her choice in books. 😉 Also... Yes direct approach can work, but only if your smv is high enough that she wants to engage with you in plainly sexual ways. If you have a lower smv, just "good eye contact, I mention, and "hey baby""... Will read as creepy. But that same gut, friendly…
/r/seduction21/12/19 02:23 AM
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Update... I just got this conversation from another girl I've been seeing. Conservative, religious... I think we've been on a grand total of 4 dates. Her friends saw me at a coffee shop with another girl... And that triggered "the talk". She knew I had a sore throat, and she instigated this... Which ended in a 2 hour monologue from me about my philosophy on dating. The good news is that is she walks away, I won't have to worry about plating her. Lol And she will have ended it, so it won't be awk…
/r/askTRP21/12/19 02:15 AM
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Fantastic content!!! I'm going to bookmark that page for sure. I do think that men sell commitment waaaaaay too cheaply. And scarcity mindset does that. Also, women have always had a pretty united front on requiring commitment as a baseline before dispensing sex... Particularly in conservative religious circles. 🙄 (Well, until Chad comes along and makes them wet.)
/r/askTRP21/12/19 02:12 AM
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Oo... That sounds interesting. I'll need to search for that. If you find it, link it, will ya? Feb is about right I guess... It just feels more obviously contractual... Like there was a sit down meeting and the relationship agreement was hammered out. As opposed to just having a cool chick that you escalate with, and hang/date/fuck when the moment is right. I mean, that early stage is more or less the same regardless of outcome. E.g. a friend can randomly popup on your radar, and become a sex bu…
/r/askTRP20/12/19 11:04 PM
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Fair enough I suppose. Is there a word for a girl that isn't exclusive, but isn't just a booty call? I mean, I can see the advantage of just finding a shit ton of whores to use their holes... But I generally want some degree of connection beyond dick in hole > goodbye. For a casual fling, there's nothing promised... But there could very well be a connection. And he'll, girls to this to. I was just reading a post in a Facebook group about a girl that legitimately wanted a FWB casual thing in coll…
/r/askTRP20/12/19 10:55 PM
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I agree, OP has a touch of onitis... But it's not terminal, from the looks of it. So he takes his medicine (time away from the one, time spent bathing true plates) and when his mind is right, and he has a natural opening... He can attempt a replate. (And yeah, I get the date vs plate terminology mix up... But I just read it as easier than any other wording for a plate coming over for a session. Is there a nice concise term for that aside from "date" 🤷‍♂️)
/r/askTRP20/12/19 10:39 PM
1

Can you define fitness testing vs confirm testing? As in, how to tell which test is being given?
/r/askTRP20/12/19 10:35 PM
1

Camile Paglia is a hood one for a female that understands how badly feminism has kneecapped women men and society as a whole.
/r/askTRP20/12/19 10:30 PM
2

Dude... This is exactly what I was looking for! Thank you! I'm saving this.
/r/askTRP20/12/19 10:28 PM
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If he doesn't pay for her... He ain't beta. If she contacts him, and comes over for Netflix and screwing... That's a good plate.
/r/askTRP20/12/19 10:21 PM
2

This. Because yes, you want to ignore her... But don't ig ore her due to your pride being hurt... Ignore her because (as far as she knows) you've got girls hitting you up for dates. And you just didn't have the time or energy to pine for her. But then, she will cross your (super busy slaying pussy) mind at some point, and you reach out with a new invite. And if the stars align... She liked you once... She might like some more.
/r/askTRP20/12/19 10:20 PM
8

Everyday the hb9 is sliding down to hb8. That's good. Granted, a youth has a quality all it's own... But still. Solid point
/r/askTRP20/12/19 10:18 PM
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I'll note that in conservative religious circles, I've gotten the "are we dating" question as early as date 3. Which, imho, is insane. I mean, physical intimacy or lack thereof is the girls prerogative, and commitment is the guys. Define your own relationship however you want. But girls have no business expecting commitment if they aren't giving intimacy.
/r/askTRP20/12/19 09:23 PM
1

Amen to having options. I have not had them, and been heartbroken. I have had them, and been heartbroken. The second is vastly better.
/r/askTRP20/12/19 09:16 PM
1

Can you clarify what you mean by saying seduction is the girls job? The simple reading of that sentence seems contradictory to all of pickup, so there must be a deeper meaning Cheers.
/r/seduction20/12/19 04:57 AM
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God damn bro. If I had a girl go from screwing my brains out like that all summer to being all shy and guilty... I doubt I could handle that. Fuuuuuuck. I can see why it's hard to next her. But keep this in mind, she's aching for it too... So if you don't have to the beta bf role... She might throw in the towel and come back at you in a big way. It's the cognitive dissonance that is screwing with her now. She can't want to lose you... You activated some hard core bonding mechanisms. My bet is if…
/r/askTRP19/12/19 11:40 PM
2

So she was your first (and only) partner? The logistics I mean is just... How didn't manage have sex 4 times a day? Did you live together? I mean, morning sex and evening sex, sure. But 4 separate times? Or was it just 2 orgasms per session, morning and evening?
/r/askTRP19/12/19 11:31 PM
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Yep. This is my read as well. I'll note that girls to"get religion" sometimes. But if that's the case, she should be making noticeable changes in all areas of life... Not just sex. She shouldn't be angry, or bitter, or gossiping, etc... All sin should be treated the same. I have little mercy for reconverted girls... They had their fun with bad men who used the for free... And for the good men they target in their stage of their life, they withhold what they gave freely. Nope. Not ok. Is she gets…
/r/askTRP19/12/19 10:47 PM
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Holy cow... 3 or 4 times a day? Damn bro. How did you get to her? How old are you (now and at first contact)? How old is she (bow and at first contact)? How do you have the logistics to don't 4 times a day? Daaaymn.
/r/askTRP19/12/19 10:43 PM
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I don't exactly disagree... But... This is not in line with lmr techniques as preached by mystery etc. Many puas recommend temporary freeze outs, removing the sexual drive for a time, then reinitiating again. Any thoughts on why that technique is preached if you hypothesis about losing frame is true?
/r/askTRP19/12/19 08:30 PM
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Excellent answer. Can you point me towards any articles etc specifically defining and comparing dark triad and mission focused alpha? I feel like I have a vague idea of this comparison, but I'd love to have it laid out a bit more concretely.
/r/askTRP19/12/19 08:20 PM
6

Excellent question
/r/askTRP19/12/19 08:18 PM
2

Yup. Nailed it. Social growth is just like muscle growth.
/r/askTRP18/12/19 07:25 AM
1

How so?... Can you elaborate, give some details?
/r/askTRP18/12/19 07:23 AM
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Attitude... The way you talk. Being open, receptive, approachable, expressive. Being available... Being in locations where men can get to you. Character... Being kind, compassionate, genuinely interested in him and others, outgoing, enthusiastic. Be a good cook. Enjoy sexuality, to whatever degree you choose, but don't be hung up about it. Enjoy that much of it. Get good at sending signals.
/r/seduction18/12/19 07:22 AM
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Nobody is asking for GPS coordinates. Hell, we're all in different states and countries here. But if you've found better success in some types of places than others... That would be a good thing to share with your wingmen.
/r/askTRP11/12/19 02:37 PM
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Secret places?
/r/askTRP11/12/19 11:34 AM
5

I'd read the hell out of an "best comments" thread.
/r/askTRP04/12/19 08:20 AM
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Commenting to follow. Interesting example cases. And damn. That last bitch was cold!
/r/askTRP02/12/19 08:32 AM
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Sounds a bit like the story style told in the game. Where he felt like he wanted to get the fuckingnpart over quickly, so he could really genuinely connect with the girl in bed post sex. Idk man... I think I understand what you mean. But I'm not that good yet.
/r/seduction01/12/19 04:19 PM
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If you look back over the last 4 years... Your transformation from blue to red... Can you identify the sections and the break points? E.g. 12 months of lifting and anxious cold approaches ... Turning point when you got your first ONS Then opening got easier, and your body fat was down to 15% Etc etc.... I'm curious about the stages you when through, and particularly the mental changes... E.g. blue pill responds to his gf crying about finding him texting other girls with consolation and placation…
/r/askTRP01/12/19 04:52 AM
1

How are you immune to it? I mean, what is your specific response to a woman assuming you'll pay for everything? Thanks!
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen30/11/19 07:52 PM
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Can you unpack that into maybe a full paragraph? You only eat during the day. And you only eat cruciferous plants? You only drink water and green tea? You eat 10 eggs a day? ?
/r/TheRedPill30/11/19 05:41 AM
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This. 100% this. Makes me think of the girl who was my first kiss. We had great chemistry as friends ... And one night she got lonely, and we made out and it was lovely. I would have been 100% happy just having a summer fling with her... And then at some point having her move on to someone she could really see herself with forever. But instead of a summer fling... She opted to kill things immediately, and move on. I hope she had a nice summer that year (although I don't it), but my summer was ru…
/r/seduction30/11/19 05:30 AM
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Standing ovation.... That's.... Just .... Hell... I need to learn to cook. Damn. 👏👏👏 Screenshoting this.
/r/TheRedPill29/11/19 07:30 AM
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Excellent!! Stuff!! Tldr.... 1. Don't need women.... A man stands on his own, proud and content. 2. Desire a particular woman... And make that desire known to her.
/r/seduction29/11/19 07:03 AM
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What you... And the other girls who express this same sentiment don't seem to understand is that pickup, when done with correct calibration, is never creepy. You don't object to pickup per se... You object to poor social skills. You object to stubborn refusal to release a target, you object to poor social calibration. You yourself even admit that random conversation can lead to a lifetime of happiness... So you don't actually object to a guy saying hello. Or commenting on how expensive tomatoes …
/r/seduction29/11/19 04:41 AM
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Fact.... It's easier to kill a deer with a rifle than a bow. Does that mean it's impossible to kill deer with a bow? Of course not. But... A bow Hunter should not expect to bag 20 deer in a single day. While a long range sniper could take out an entire herd. There will always be savants like your ugly pickup-god friend.... But whatever his results are... He'd be drowning in 10x easier sets if he was handsome and jacked. The point of recognising the optics issue is to remind guys to put in the wo…
/r/seduction29/11/19 03:59 AM
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Yeah.... I wouldn't recommend any guy actually change himself for a woman. But is a set, using value elicitation to find out what kind of guy gets her going... And playing up those elements of himself... A guy can sometimes punch through and close. But it's merely adjusting the volume of his traits for the night. More it going back more studious, etc. I wouldn't say sexual relationships are the only value. But if a guy is doing game, he isn't gaming to make platonic girlfriends. So while it's gr…
/r/seduction29/11/19 03:52 AM
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Are you male or female? We have seen posts from women in the last 3 days advocating both opinions. To approach, and to not approach... so all we can say with assurance is that ... Some chicks like it, and some do not. Full stop.
/r/seduction29/11/19 03:46 AM
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If you've got better data, please do let me know. I'd love to see a more broad-spectrum study of relative attraction data. This is the best I'm aware of. But given that this is the best data we have... It's not invalid, even given it isn't perfect. What it means is just that woman don't evaluate men on a bell curve. That's the point I'm making. A consequence of this point is that women have a visual filter that mennkustnlass through before getting to higher order filters. For example, if a great…
/r/seduction28/11/19 09:15 PM
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I guess I agree to the first part. Although, if a guy loses himself merely from the act of emphasizing certain personality traits... That's a guy in oretty rough shape. The second part... Well, if the goal is a a sexual relationship of some sort... Gaining a friend is a loss. Not a bad thing, but not the desired objective either. Meh
/r/seduction28/11/19 09:01 PM
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Incorrect. Read the book (free online as a PDF) called "dataclysm". Looks are not completely subjective. Women rate 80% of men as less than average in attractiveness. So the comment about women enjoying the attention, and then discarding "average"men, is valid. Yes, girls want sex.... But the want it with 20% and above men. Yes... The higher placed person will reject the lower placed person once they get what they want. Men will have sex, and then dump Wen will take the whole boost and them dump…
/r/seduction27/11/19 11:52 PM
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Incorrect. While men and women both desire validation... The interaction you propose, (that men approach women) setup a series of possible outcomes. A win/win outcome is where the woman believes the man is of high quality, and thus is flattered by his approach (that is his choosing to approach her instead if the other girls he could have approached) (As proof, consider how you would feel if that same man approached 5 other women before approaching you... Instant turn off, isn't it). In this win/…
/r/seduction27/11/19 11:38 PM
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Look for what happens "before" she does something. Actions come from thoughts... so what you are aimed at is not seeing her misbehave... you want to see what triggers her brain from "just walking around" to "hey, lets piss off my bro".... so observe her in "normal" moments *before* shit goes down. watch some caesar milon the dog whisperer.... seriously. The trick with dogs, is to hijack their attention at just the moment before they go nuts. Same with people.... if you can see the brain state ch…
/r/askTRP27/11/19 05:04 PM
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Pretty girls always have bfs. Period. Ignore that data point altogether... Just go slow and easy. Pretend she's religious in your head... It's the same resistance. No need to pour on the gas. She's got to struggle with her hampster. If the hampster wins, she's a platonic friend, and you see her whenever you want that vibe. If the hampster loses, she may let you go farther... And if so you see her whenever you want that vibe. Either way. Same thing.
/r/seduction27/11/19 05:58 AM
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All. Of. This. 100000% Seduction, pua, all of this... Is merely about 1. Creating an opportunity to vibe. This takes balls. But all it is is a chance to check a girl's temperature. 2. Not shooting yourself in the foot via dlv, etc. 3. Learning to read iois... 4. Escalating with girls that give iois... Without shooting yourself in the foot. If a girl isn't digging your vibe.... You only have two options.... become the guy she wants you to be. (Value elicitation).... Or take the loss and friend he…
/r/seduction27/11/19 05:54 AM
1

I get the same struggles... Best advice?... Legitimately get super busy in all kinds of fun stuff... Be too busy to be available at her beck and call. Then, it's your game, and she can play now and then, or she can next herself.
/r/seduction27/11/19 05:41 AM
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Yep. That's red pill. Now, once you understand that... You can look for relationships that contain other elements. E.g. some women as also redpilled, and they actively look for men who they can get behind and help succeed. Finding ways to provide value to their king. But where you are is red pill 101. That's the starting point.
/r/askTRP27/11/19 04:18 AM
1

That's sounds rough budy... for sure man, hit me... I can't promise answers, but I've got an ear to listen with, and an outside set of eyes that want to see you make the right moves to end up in a good place. You can do this.
/r/askTRP27/11/19 02:58 AM
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This is why you need to study her. You need to understand what she wants, and what she's afraid of. Does she have relationships with people (grandma, etc) that are valuable to her? Things she would freak if they started to disintegrate? Privileges she has from your parents that are contingent? That you could screw with? That sort of thing. A. Find out what is motivating her. B. Find a high strength motivation to make her stop.
/r/askTRP27/11/19 01:57 AM
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This is touchy bro. The right response is based almost entirely at understanding why she's acting this way. You need to observe her. What is her life like with her friends, in school... Etc. Is this her messed of being of acting attracted to you? Or is this her acting out because no one in her life is setting boundaries? Or what. Best advice, observe for awhile, then try a tiny experiment. Take a guess at her motivation, and provide a reinforcement, positive or negative, and see what happens. Th…
/r/askTRP27/11/19 01:36 AM
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How old are you OP?
/r/askTRP27/11/19 01:19 AM
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Try one... Then the other. I'd start on campus. I suspect that in decent weather... A "let's go for a walk"... "Oh look here, it's my place, whaddaya know"... Might be a winner.
/r/askTRP26/11/19 07:01 PM
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It's all good bro. You learned the lesson you needed to... So do you, get better... And when you are ready again, remember what a bad chick can do to your life, and through that what can happen to her life. We are the Kings, and that means we make the call about whether the interaction and relationship is good ... For both of us and them. We gain from it, yes... And we also leave the girl better than when we found her. You got this 👍
/r/askTRP26/11/19 04:24 PM
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Dude... You burned a chick with her religious family? That's low bruh. Yes, monk mode. Kick the bottle... You cannot drink. You turned a bad relationship into a nightmare. Don't do anything until you successfully get and stay sober. Relationships bring stress, and stress will drive you to your crutch... And this particular crutch makes you do horribly stupid and damaging things. Once that is sorted out... Then you can game again But man... Don't be in a rush. Kill the drinking.... Good and dead.…
/r/askTRP26/11/19 08:20 AM
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Where do you find prospects that young?
/r/askTRP26/11/19 08:04 AM
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And dude... Think about what's good for her. This is a sub mindset in her coming to the surface. If you can be the Dom that thinks about what is good for her... Good for her... She will notice that, and it will drive her closer to you. What does she need help improving? Give her books to read. Have her get back into her hobby and make art or whatever. Sexually... Play with edging and orgasm denial... If you can pull that off right... You can make her head explode with you. Yeah, throw in some se…
/r/askTRP26/11/19 07:58 AM
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This. The girl will force a dtr talk... And that's when you can grudgingly allow it to turn official. If you bring it it up first, you set the stage as you chasing her. = Not a good look. Girls what a guy they look up to ... A guy with options that chooses her. Would a guy with options bend over backwards to get exclusive? Nah. So keep her hooked... And watch her bring the issue up. Then, think about it for a minute... And then say, you know what... Yes. Yes, let's do this. I like you. Boom.
/r/seduction26/11/19 07:48 AM
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Dude... I liked the video. Nicely done. Amature approaches are way more useful than slick pros. And the breakdown was nice too. A bit long, but good points.
/r/seduction26/11/19 07:20 AM
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Gotcha.... Making preferences known, and seeing if she is attentive and keeps them in mind. 👍👍
/r/askTRP26/11/19 01:17 AM
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Dude... This is gold. Let me restate that, because it flipped a switch in my head. Average girls are hit on average nice guys, who feel they might actually have a shot with an average girl. So average girls are bored with the nice guy routine. Average girls want to feel special, and sexy...they want to get hit on by douchebags like all their hotter friends get. === Strategy for average girls... Is to be edgy, and flirty, and a bit crude. Because they don't attract the high end edgelords. And the…
/r/seduction25/11/19 11:31 PM
2

Got any examples of good canaries that spring to mind?
/r/askTRP25/11/19 11:16 PM
1

@zzsdx ... Can you speak to this concern? Would you escalate with a dance partner? You've mentioned in this thread that they can turn you on... But is that doomed doomed from the outset because of the danger of ruining you hobby outlet? Or would you still escalate... And be ok with it ended and seeing each other around the dance hall? And would that guy get a reputation and be asked to leave? Or perhaps more accurately, are there other girls in your dance circles that would burn a guy after a li…
/r/seduction25/11/19 08:48 PM
1

I'm honestly surprised that this topic has been so poorly studied. It seems like the same studies that evaluate female hormone changes after multiple sexual partners would also include male participants, and could provide a link (whether positive, negative, or null) between ncount and marriage success. Too bad. I'd really like some solid scientific literature on make outcomes using ncount as a variable. Thank you for the link. Cheers!
/r/askTRP25/11/19 10:00 AM
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I honestly prefer those type of rejection from women. The words say, it's too bad I'm busy. But the actions clearly say, I don't want to meet.... And I can take that hint and keep my pride. So I think saying "sure it would be fun to catch up." Is fine. And when she proposes a time, say, "sorry I can't make it then"... Do that 3 times, and she'll get the picture. And then this is over. 🤷‍♂️
/r/askTRP25/11/19 08:53 AM
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100% look forward to that update bro. Good luck!
/r/seduction25/11/19 08:39 AM
1

This is brilliant. In wish there was a way to boomark a specific comment.
/r/RedPillWomen23/11/19 03:00 AM
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Red pill would say for the guy to hold eye contact, and look for the woman to break eye contact by looking down as a signal of submission. If you hold the stare, and he has to break eye contact, that would push him away.
/r/RedPillWomen23/11/19 02:33 AM
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Also, as a side benefit.... It give you a reason to prolong a conversation over multiple days. Rather than "ending" a convo at bedtime
/r/askTRP22/11/19 11:38 PM
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Glad to hear that brother. Trust me... I feel you. Borderline chick, along with two fizzled online conversations, are the reason I've started studying game. There was literally physical pain when reality fell down around me, then there was anger (thankfully it was short)... And then was the realization that I need to learn this game, and fast. Once we learn the game, we get to decide how to use it. And there is great power in romance, for good or ill. I've received both from the women who I've b…
/r/seduction22/11/19 11:37 PM
2

Bookmarked. Loved reading this. Glad to hear Christians can have this kind of story. 💛 (How old mare you OP?)
/r/RedPillWomen22/11/19 11:22 PM
2

This is fantastic! Thank you for the extra reading links. I'm going to have to haunt that page.
/r/askTRP22/11/19 06:42 PM
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Push... Then pull It's a time thing.... Early on, you have to initiate. Otherwise nothing will happen. .but after you get the hook .. you change tactics... Because now you want to keep her guessing... So you pull back a bit at times. push, then pull.
/r/askTRP22/11/19 06:04 PM
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A girl shows up at multiple locations where you are in a big party. A condo near the door, and then 30 min later a convo at the bar, and then 10 min later a convo in the hallway. Any female initiated touch. Deep eye contact. Keeping a conversation alone by asking questions. Etc
/r/askTRP22/11/19 05:59 PM
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O can confirm that some women do indeed consider "making eyes across a room" to be a move... And insane as that is. The girl I got this from was 36, and she was adamant about two things... 1. That she didn't even evaluate her feelings about a guy until after he had made an explicit move, of asking her out on a date. (BS, imho... This girl absolutely does clock hot guys and get moist when she sees them. So this is a rationalization to excuse her from having any ownership of who she views romantic…
/r/askTRP22/11/19 05:57 PM
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Hell, I dated borderline. She fucked me up but good. Did a 180 in 48 hours, from loving me, to ending it via text. 🤦‍♂️ But I stand by my point. A new pua needs to internalize that he is the prize... And you don't generally get to feel like a prize by successfully getting a hot chick. That's great to do, but it will give imposter syndrome... Getting with a chick that genuinely thinks you are perfect... That makes you feel like you really are a prize... and that's a valuable feeling to get experi…
/r/seduction22/11/19 04:43 PM
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I feel you. And I basically agree ... I'm just pointing out that sometimes a girl has hangups to deal with. The girl in my example, our texting was fantastic, and she literally said she felt unworthy of my attention... So she didn't have the balls to initiate contact. She flaked because her emotions got very intense very fast... Not because she wasn't interested. So my point is just... Read the individual girl. Some of the may just need a re-open and they'll be back into striking distance.
/r/seduction22/11/19 04:35 PM
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"The ball is in your court" comes to mind as a phrase. Or something about how you will be looking forward to hearing from her with a date plan. Maybe in this example... "Feel better... And when you are feeling well and have a plan to hang, definitely reach out to me 🙂"
/r/seduction22/11/19 04:31 PM
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This
/r/askTRP22/11/19 05:57 AM
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Find some.really obtuse drinks that don't contain booze... Print out a card, with the recipe on it. And hand it to bartender... You'll get a virgin drink, cheaper since there is no booze. And you have something to hold in your hand.
/r/askTRP22/11/19 05:53 AM
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It's never weird to strike a conversation with anyone. Full stop. If it feels weird (not just AA, but "wrong") you are in the wrong headspace for an approach. Approach casual, right? No desired outcome (yet).
/r/seduction22/11/19 05:50 AM
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I'd only add that at the close of your evening activity... Verbalize that you "don't want this moment to end"... And see what her reaction is... Have some short things to do ready that you can think of on the fly .. like... "Hey, let's walk along the pier!" Or "hey, let's get some profile photos along main Street"... And if she keeps hanging around... Then you are out of ideas... And you can just slide to ... Kino, kissing... And lead her to your hotel. Because at that point she's just following…
/r/seduction22/11/19 05:45 AM
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Meh. Yeah, that girl is low self esteem. Sure. But damn. If op is new to pua, that's the girl he needs... Someone stroke his ego... And a touchstone memory for future pulls to remeber that he was once adored, and is valuable. Etc. For more advanced guys, sure... You might want skip the work of a clingy girl... But when so... Maybe the girl needs some who stroking to get over a traumatic past... Don't forget that pua can (and should imho) leave a girl better than you found her.
/r/seduction22/11/19 05:35 AM
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I had a similar thought. But think of it this way... how does a hot girl respond to being told she's hot? The nest girls I know don't deny it, or play it down, they fmjust genuinely say, "aww, that's so sweet of you to say."... And in ops case, it would be followed by comfort building... E.g. "I think you're special too... I can't wait to get to know you!"
/r/seduction22/11/19 05:32 AM
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Yeah... but of girls just won't man up and ask you out. So they wait for you to reopen. I just did this, and honestly, I had written the girl off... And now she's a solid lead. So yeah, if they flake multiple times, you need to put it on them to propose the next outing location and time But you still have to re-open the dialogue usually... And give to chance to propose something.
/r/seduction22/11/19 05:26 AM
1

Whatever you do.... Keep all real world contact info very very private. You don't want crazy chicks knowing where you live, your full name, etc.
/r/askTRP21/11/19 06:08 PM
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🤣... The way you handle that is to tell stories about your friends. "My buddy Jimmy...." 🤦‍♂️lol
/r/askTRP21/11/19 04:52 PM
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BS. If you really felt unsafe, then you have given out way too much personal information to a stranger way to early in the game. Virtually no men will pay for a background check on your name, track down your address and beat down your door. Keep your personal info private, don't give out my mixed signals of extreme attraction followed by rejection, and let guys know where your head is at as soon as you realize you're not a good fit. If he gets nasty, block him. End of story.
/r/seduction21/11/19 04:49 PM
1

100% this. The "I didn't feel safe" is almost always a rationalization.
/r/seduction21/11/19 04:45 PM
1

I get where your coming from.. But you are likely shooting yourself in the foot. Girls can make being hot stuff just like guys can fake confidence. You might think she's got dudes lined up, but she might not ... She might be waiting for you to reach out, because most women are even more afraid of rejection than guys. And won't dare to reach out first. Tldr.. you do you... But you might miss some girls by not contacting them.
/r/seduction21/11/19 04:42 PM
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She was looking for drama... Aka... sexuality. You probably doged a bullet... But I'd you want those bullets... be more direct in expressing sexuality.
/r/seduction21/11/19 04:39 PM
2

Annnd.... This illustrates my point. If the girls wanted him gone from her life... She could have prevented this 1 week later contact with a simple message. But this guy doesn't know what she's thinking... And so he's agonizing over this... And will contact her again. Qed
/r/seduction21/11/19 04:37 PM
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The "truth" in each of these cases is simply that she doesn't want to keep talking, dating, or fucking. And this can be communicated with a simple... "I'm so glad we got to spend time togther, but I want to be upfront about not feeling the "spark" that I'd need to feel to invest more time into our relationship. It was great meeting you, and I wish you all the best" Simple, direct, honest... Low probability of a guy flipping out.... And give the guy a solid idea that he should.haltnoursuit and mo…
/r/seduction21/11/19 04:36 PM
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I get that. But it's still wrong. Women should treat men as individuals. Make the polite rejection... And then block if needed. Simple.
/r/seduction21/11/19 04:27 PM
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Keep the cold approaching, but without a massive investment in the outcome. The purpose of cold approach is mainly (in the beginning) to kill approach anxiety, and learn to have normal human interactions (hopefully clever, fun interactions) with females. And internalize how to ignore the part of your brain that sees them as so beautiful that it freaks you out. But meanwhile ... Go build social circles. Get active, meet people. Learn to be socially dominant. Then you'll have a rich social life an…
/r/seduction21/11/19 04:26 PM
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This.
/r/seduction21/11/19 04:22 PM
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100% this. Simple, polite. Easy to understand... and clear that it isn't a temporary issue, but a full rejection. Much better than a ghosting, because with ghosting, the guy doesn't know if he should keep trying, especially with the girl reads messages but doesn't respond. I.e. is she busy and forgetful, or does she want me to stop.
/r/seduction21/11/19 04:18 PM
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Stories please. Some of us who were raised conservative don't have the imagination to fill in the blanks... And I'm drying of curiosity here! 😅
/r/askTRP20/11/19 03:48 PM
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Time wasters 100% exist. While I enjoy hearing women talk about dating... They are utterly clueless about three male experience, and always will be. To a girl that gets hundreds of matches, and have dozens of conversations in progress... It is beyond their abilities to understand how hard men work to get a conversation, let alone a date, in the world of dating apps.
/r/seduction20/11/19 08:12 AM
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I kinda like this. It's a good reason to respond, and girls should be rewarded for good behavior. Maybe a mix of the options I'm seeing... "You know, that is the absolute sweetest rejection I've ever had... It actually made me smile. But to be honest, I don't categorize relationships the way your message implied... People are all different, and have different things going on at any given moment... You seem like a really down to earth chick, and I'd hate to lose track of you. I still think we sho…
/r/seduction19/11/19 05:12 PM
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Damn guys... What's the point of just being down. Maybe it wasn't the beat move... But if you're going to point that out, at least provide a better option so the guy can learn and do better next time. Geez.
/r/seduction19/11/19 05:02 PM
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Fair enough. If your attractive, it's the social anxiety that's holding you back... But I assume you are actively working on that, since you made yourself get out and go to the dog park. So kudos on working on your issues. Definitely.worlnonnthe being warm and inviting.. since I (and most guys) nwoukd misinterpret a cold woman as wanting me to leave them alone. With all due respect... A girl who gets 20 men per day that want to be with her, and take the initiative to try to make that happen... d…
/r/seduction14/11/19 05:43 PM
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Nice blog. I've read several massive posts, and there is good stuff there. I wish there was a simple way to subscribe... Maybe you could start a YouTube channel.
/r/seduction14/11/19 05:33 PM
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This! I'm also 32, and only have started dating in the last 2 years. (🤦‍♂️ God I wish I could go back in time) But this is what I'm finding. I'm fakeing some stuff, and watching the results, tweaking behaviors..but when I have a bit of sucess, it changes me... It feels exactly like you said, like it's unlocking a source of authentic joy and gregariousness. It's like when you are having a great day at an amusement park... And your genuinely laughing.... And you talk to a girl, and because you are…
/r/seduction14/11/19 04:03 PM
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This. 100% Now, I think it's true that you have to calibrate properly in order not to seems like a pervert who wants to use her for sex... But if a guy deliberately hide his sexual interest, he does absolutely risk friend zoning himself by making a frame which is strictly platonic. Also, it can feel inauthentic to a girl when a guy hides that part of himself... And that can kill an interaction. The "nice guy" method is to be charming and friendly and suppress sexuality... And hope that after pro…
/r/seduction14/11/19 03:51 PM
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I agree with most of this... But read you post as if you are new to game, and see how useless it is. You are saying that the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow exists... And you are saying it's a lot of work on a guys own self image to be able to get there... But you don't actually show the path. So yes, I should work on myself. And yes, I need to physically co-located with hot girls in order to have opportunity to escalate. But the critical piece that is missing is how to "develop the "skill…
/r/seduction14/11/19 03:42 PM
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Are there any better places to learn pickup faster and more efficiently? A better place for advice?
/r/seduction14/11/19 03:32 PM
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Game mentality: there is a new game every day
/r/seduction14/11/19 03:22 PM
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This. I've had many conversation with "wing women" on this topic... And they are just flat out clueless. And have zero empathy for the problems men face in developing romantic connections. It low key makes me angry... Because I just have no respect for people who can't put themselves in other's shoes. Like, all the men in this forum are trying to understand how women work... What they want and don't want... How to connect with them properly... But are women making that same effort? Nope. And the…
/r/seduction14/11/19 03:19 PM
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I'd have to go way into depth to explain, and this isn't the place, and there's no point... But the fact that you exist really makes my day. I've had some conversations online about first dates and splitting bills and such... And it is extraordinarily refreshing to hear a girl with your story. Open to being approached in a friendly way, and yet not stringing a guy along into the friend zone.... And on top of that being more than willing to invest into the possibility of a new relationship. I jus…
/r/seduction14/11/19 07:57 AM
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Yeah. I just downvoted you. How in the hell do you write a post like this and not mention these magical places that young women go when they want to be approached?? If you reply with the places you go .. well all upvote you again... But I'm not holding my breath.
/r/seduction14/11/19 06:04 AM
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So how do you want men to come into your world? If not by making small talk while you are both standing in line... Then how and when do you expect to meet your future husband?
/r/seduction14/11/19 06:01 AM
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What a nice story. Quick follow-up question. Did you pay for your dinner, or did he? Both on that first night, and the other nights. Thanks
/r/seduction14/11/19 05:59 AM
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Dude! What happened next!!!?
/r/seduction14/11/19 05:57 AM
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God damn that's a breath of fresh air. Thanks! 🎉 P.s. have you read the pdf "dataclysm"? In shirt, it says women rate 80% of men as below average in attractiveness. While men rate 50% of women below average. My question is what percentage of approaches do you find attractive or interesting enough to go in a date with. And, as a follow-up... Do you expect men to pay for your time via free meals etc... Or are you willing to invest equally in finding your partner by paying for your own meals, ticke…
/r/seduction14/11/19 05:39 AM
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An interaction in a public space has no expectation of privacy... I'm not sure why the big issue with a video recording. 🤷‍♂️ Like, we get filmed on security cameras all the time, and that footage can wind up on the news easily enough. Of course, I didn't get to see the video, so maybe there is more going on.
/r/seduction14/11/19 05:32 AM
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Annnndddd..... This is the girl I want to meet. Not the OP. Both girls exist... But I don't want to let the OP possibly.being annoyed at my less than perfect approach.... Dissuade me from meeting runningsloth. Even if 9 girls are annoyed at my saying "wow, limburger cheese? That's a bold choice"... If sloth is girl number 10... And we get to have a nice moment. That's worth it. Isn't it? I do wish i was better at converting a nice moment into a longer relationship ... A date to talk more. Sloth.…
/r/seduction14/11/19 05:24 AM
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Thank you for this story. It shows precisely the way pickup is supposed to work. Guy sees cute girl. Guy invents plausible reason to approach, with no sexual intent visible whatsoever. Guy aims to make girl feel comfortable, and have positive emotions. Guy escalates to change locations, instadate, get number, set next meeting, etc. That is pickup in a nutshell... And executes correctly it's just a meet cute story. The OP is focusing on poorly executed pickup.
/r/seduction14/11/19 05:00 AM
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Been there dude. We all have. Literally ... This is the most common thing ever. And it sucks to never know why they ghost. But they're right. Send the "hey you dead? 😆) Text... And then move on. 🤷‍♂️ Women don't care about how their actions affect our emotions. I've talked to wing girls and they just have no conception of the guys on the other end of their chats actually being living breathing people with feelings. Sorry man. Text and move on.
/r/seduction13/11/19 05:58 AM
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Agreed. But I did choose the word aggressive on purpose. Smart, decent, nice, good guys... They have an illness, an illness called gentility or sensitivity or deference... And the antidote to this illness is changing their behavior. While the correct sweet spot for behavior is "confident assertion"... The guys with this illness can't aim for that point... Because if they aim for that point they will fall short, and remain to reserved, shy, deferential. These guys need to aim to become aggressive…
/r/seduction13/11/19 05:50 AM
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This. I hate it. It's unfair. It's inefficient. It's bad for the girls, since by blocking themselves from showing any interest, they end up generally dating aggressive aholes. But... It's true. I've had several conversations with girls that had exactly this mindset... But they would not evaluate a man has potential partner unless he was aggressively pursuing them first. And even if they found someone that they liked across the room, they wouldn't have the guts to signal their interest. These gir…
/r/seduction12/11/19 04:34 PM
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Agreed. I think it's good that you segued out of the interaction before she pulled the ripcord herself... Sort of, left her wanting more. But if she hesitated, at your offer to leave... It means 1 of 2 things. 1. She read did want you to leave, but felt social pressure to not hurt your feelings. 2. She was enjoying the interaction, but genuinely needed to study. I think the facial expression and voice tone are the only ways to tell which. I think in future, follow the same pattern... But when yo…
/r/seduction11/11/19 10:05 PM
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😂🤣🤣🤣 It's true. Really hot girls, who are still single... Are generally crazy. Bpd is common. And hell yes it's a roller coaster. 👀🎢
/r/seduction11/11/19 09:47 PM
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Interesting... This is precisely opposite of most of instructions, where the girl giving you her number is a big ioi ... Your way is easier, and I like the mentality behind it... Than she should pursue you... But if she's at all timid, you're screwed, because even if she bitty about you, she might not have the balls to initiate contact.
/r/seduction08/11/19 11:04 PM
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I agree, I think this is sort of a female neg. She likes me, but is couching that in terms that I could find offensive. I'm hesitant to call our her attraction that directly... playful tends to be my wheelhouse. What about : "I bet you say that to all the guys ;) Memories are the stuff life is made of... and I can't wait to make some more. (insert date idea)" but... maybe calling out her attraction is exactly the right move here, she was pretty direct herself by saying she was hoping I would add…
/r/seduction04/11/19 07:29 PM
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