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And usually that's a response to people who harshly and one-sidedly single out older mothers. If the argument was "older people should think twice about having children and are selfish for holding off" then I think there would be a point to be addressed. And a large portion of why the criticism is heavy on older mothers isn't because people actually give any fucks about the welfare of kids but because women are holding off on getting married and having kids and a lot of people here are angry abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 04:12 PM
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It had to be, contraception wasn't a thing and it's not like a married couple was going to cease having sex at 35. Women had kids as far along as they were able to.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 04:09 PM
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until your chances of having a healthy kid are unacceptably low. We're talking about going from something like 0.1% chance to like a 1% chance, which is really not "unacceptably low" to most people. It's something to be wary about. Additionally, a lot of screening tools are now available to older parents allowing them to terminate kids with chromosomal abnormalities. And I included parents there because delaying fatherhood has been shown to have a similar impact on chromosomal health of kids, al…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 04:06 PM
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I agree with you, I think late 20's and early 30's is the best time to have a kid. I think usually by then both of the parents are stable enough to provide their kids while minimizing even small risks associated with parental age. But sometimes life doesn't work out like that for everyone. Sometimes it's the husband that doesn't want to have kids yet...both genders of the millennial generation are having a hard time growing up. And in the context of this discussion, it is more ideal to just wait…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 03:53 PM
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They can go ballistic if they want, it is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 03:38 PM
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Women over 40 have a greater chance of having kids with mental disabilities, but it bares saying that even if you double the chance, we are still talking about minuscule odds. The greater issue that women over 40 face is difficult pregnancy, and not getting pregnant at all. It is also possible for a woman to save her eggs in her 20's and use them later to try to minimize some of these risks. But what is most interesting is some of the more recent data regarding autism, that shows that 1) men's a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 02:18 PM
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I would say frequently. I would also say just because a guy is an asshole to another dude does not mean he is being an asshole to the girl he is pursuing, so that would contribute to it. Likewise, just because he winds up being an asshole later or cheats does not mean he was an asshole to start to the girl. Sometimes they are actually assholes. Some assholes have the social charisma or physical attractiveness to compensate for being an asshole. The girl might not be into the asshole part but she…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 02:04 PM
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There are people on here who act like being 5'7 or so is like being a midget or having a serious deformity/handicap (I actually used things like having a tumor on one's face and being in a wheelchair as comparisons, to which they felt that being 5'7 is equivalent to that). Height is part of attractiveness, you are right, but it is only one aspect of one sphere of attractiveness (physical). Unless you're severely abnormally short, there's a lot you could do to make up for it. The vast majority of…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 01:59 PM
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I can tell you've never really been tested Don't pull this into a "I'M SO MUCH WISER BECAUSE I HAD SO MANY MORE HARDSHIPS THAN YOU" debate. You don't know me, you don't know what I've dealt with and what I haven't, and you don't need to. The reason why people don't like the idea of cheating in this context is because it's a cowardly strategy that avoids immediate personal pain/consequences for an overall better situation later. As opposed to slowly causing everybody else minor pain/consequences,…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 03:34 PM
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Why only RP? If you reject any advice, you're not an incel. A lot of self-proclaimed incels aren't actually incel.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 03:24 PM
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I'd go further to say they just want sympathy. But unfortunately sometimes the advice needed to be given doesn't come across as sympathetic and therefore is immediately rejected by some very strong defense mechanisms that probably only a therapist would have the will and time to dislodge.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 03:23 PM
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They don't exactly get in relationships with those men either, so what's your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 03:21 PM
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But that sex is not as passionate or wild and free as the sex you had with Chad. It's a "good girl" starfish sex instead. Because some people are able to delay instant gratification for a greater goal, the sex must therefore be passionless? You're conflating your notion of beta bucks with what is being discussed here. Even TRP states that women will delay sex for the purpose of snagging a commitment from a high value alpha, since high value alphas tend to plate women who put out easily. Purge th…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 03:20 PM
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People will stand by their morals Yeah, morality is imporant to a lot of people. Cheating is the coward's way out, there's just no way around it. Yes, actual dealing with the situation or separation is hard, but it's the right way to deal with it. and the cheating has the least. That's what you think. Cheating doesn't make internal relationship resentment go away, nor does it preserve the emotional intimacy necessary to create a successful family unit...it actually diminishes it as you are shari…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 02:16 PM
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You know, you can just admit your response was off topic. You wouldn't be the first person to go on a tangential rant. We don't have to do this.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 05:47 PM
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I get that, that's the purpose of these labels in general given that actual people are infinitely more complex. But you need a proper amount of boxes for that to be useful. Putting things in boxes it doesn't belong in doesn't serve a purpose. Much more functional to have more boxes. E.g. you wouldn't stick an apple in the dairy box and proceed to avoid it because you're lactose intolerant. It's counterproductive.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 05:28 PM
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How?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 05:16 PM
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I think the difference lies in whether the single mom was a good parent or not. A lot of those FA guys blame their problems on single moms but the actual explanation is that they had crappy childhoods and grew up fucked up. Same thing with two parent households that were messed up, or traditional households with a crappy father....they tend to produce FAs too
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 05:14 PM
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They raise alphas in the true sense of the word...men who are more independent, expressive, daring and independent. They don't raise the jockbro asshole alphas that TRP fan boys, so based on the two different definitions, there won't be agreement
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 05:09 PM
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What does any of that have to do with what I said?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 05:05 PM
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Because its stupid to operate and interact with the environment without differentiating besides isolated incidents and general nature. Overreacting to things has never really served anyone well. But if you find more enjoyment in hate, feel free. You wouldn't be the first, people love to revel in misery and persecution complexes. Just know you're limiting your self in life, among many other consequences of harboring that much unnecessary rage.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 05:03 PM
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It's not backlash. Both of this stances (women are superior vs women have nothing of value to say) are equally absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 04:41 PM
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I disagree about the context, but like I said, it doesn't make a difference either way. It's not the reason why losers stay as losers. So at worst, it's useless. Detrimental? Nope.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 09:03 PM
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I'm not talking about competition in the smp. I'm saying that more women are rated as more attractive because by universal human attractiveness standards, they ARE more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 08:59 PM
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Oh hetero attraction is definitely a thing. Perhaps it's not sexual, but we do rate members of our own gender as attractive or not. That's why men and women who are attractive succeed even in social circles or fields dominated by their own genders. Universally attractive traits are just that: universal. And women are better at feigning them
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 07:59 PM
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But the only time that advice is given IS in a context that makes it clear what the meaning is. It's never given in a context to mean don't improve or that improvement is bad. If you take it outside of the context it's given in, sure, it doesn't make sense, but why are you doing that? The advice "press button" is meaningless too if you take it out of its context. Advice comes in relevant contexts. And like I said, tell a guy like that that he needs to change because he sucks and he still won't. …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 07:53 PM
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Society is partially to blame for the reason why men don't put in as much effort into their looks as women - we shame men who do. That doesn't mean men don't have ways of their own to put effort into their apperance. But it does put women on a more attractive level compared to men. Do you agree that there's objectively attractive traits in both men and women? I mean, all research indicates things like good teeth, smooth hair, clear skin and proportional facial features are preferred in both gend…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 07:28 PM
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The were being told not to compromise things important to them or feign interest in things they're not interested in. How they warped that advice to justify staying utter losers is not anyones problem. You think telling them they're utter losers would have helped? Try going to an incel or FA forum and even mildly suggesting it's their fault and they need to actually put in effort. See how well that works. Think you'll blow people's minds? Nah, you'll just get excuses ranging from "its pointless"…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 07:20 PM
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The quantity of women who put in effort into their appearance is miles and miles more than the number of men. Just today I saw a really fat woman wearing a great dress, curled hair and makeup. Without it she'd be a 2, but with it she's a 4. So the effects of good styling on women is diminished by the fact that most women participate in it. That's why you still get a bell curve. Only very few men put up effort into their apperance, so the ones that do stand out. That's why the curve is skewed. Ad…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 07:14 PM
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Unless we are talking about people with genuine social retardation, most people can comprehend utter basics like no one wants to date an utter loser. Or showering is good. Or being fit is good. Most losers I knew were well aware of that, they just didn't want to put in the effort and made every excuse known to man to justify it, including taking that piece of advice out of context and pretending it means something it clearly does not. Personally, I'm tired of peoples pity parties, so I have no r…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 07:09 PM
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Men lower their standards all the time This study implies the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 02:29 PM
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I mean, it makes sense when you think about it. Which gender is more likely to spend hours watching YouTube tutorials how to essentially paint their face and then proceed to spend 30min a day doing it? Which gender is more likely to style their hair and which gender is more into fashion and dressing in a flattering way? Since men don't care about those things, the few men that do tend to really stand out and make others look unattractive, whereas a lot of women style themselves so the effect is …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 02:26 PM
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And if would be nice if people were just clueless as opposed to retroactively trying to justify laziness by criticizing anything they can but people like to play the victim.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 01:49 PM
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If a guy said "should I move out of the basement" do you seriously think someone would respond with "just be yourself?"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 02:55 AM
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I highly doubt anyone has ever given anybody the advice to "not improve." Don't change? Yes. Don't improve? No way. And in the 0.1% chance they have, I think at some point there needs to be some responsibility on the receiver of advice to at least do a small common sense check on advice before outright taking it and running with it. If I told you you'd become rich if you jump off a bridge, you obviously wouldn't believe that, so how is it you go through life and reach your 20's thinking that not…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 02:54 AM
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Be yourself = don't be a supplicating pushover, don't pretend to like things you don't like just so others like you, don't compromise your core beliefs It doesn't actually cover what yourself happens to be and what it could be. Improving yourself is not an antithesis to being yourself, if the improvements you are making are things you actually want to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 02:36 PM
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I agree, it is good advice. I can't comprehend the amount of mental gymnastics it would take to interpret "just be yourself" to just be a basement dwelling, Cheeto eating fat unhygenic loser, therefore I have a hard time taking that criticism seriously. I think the vast majority of people can comprehend that being that is not the key to success. It would take a special degree of social retardation to not understand that. Be yourself for the vast majority of people simply means don't compromise t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 02:50 AM
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What do you mean? I see TRP as the outlet, same as all of the outlets before it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/16 03:36 PM
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I agree. Having social skills, like being attractive, gives you more leeway.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/16 02:46 PM
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Bluntly said? Ego stroking. Other places offer the same generic self-help advice as TRP. Get fit, be better at speaking, go out and actually socialize, get hobbies, get your finances in order. Be assertive, don't be a pushover, ask for what you want. Most of those places cover these topics more in depth than TRP. It's TRP's delivery of these same techniques that is appealing. It validates the "I was such a nice guy but women are bitches" men as opposed to encouraging them to pursue honesty with …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/16 02:40 PM
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I see it as a side effect. There's been a lot of rapid social change being made in the last 30 years and not everyone is compatible with it. Naturally, those people will eventually form communities of counter-culture or resistance to the rest of society.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/16 02:30 PM
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Why's everything based on social skills in our society Because we are a social species. Part of the driving force for the development of our large frontal lobe was the need to store information relating to social structure, social dynamics, and social skills. You can legitimately fail at everything else without it but with it you can have zero-talent & succeed. I would say it's a matter of luck in both instances. You can have no social skills and still somehow magically wind up with a wife, kids…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/16 02:24 PM
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doesn't qualify as, "having issues" It does to most people. I describe the people you just described as "trainwrecks."
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/16 02:12 PM
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Why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/16 03:07 PM
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I don't think one could ever completely separate self-worth from others....we are a social species, so it is innate to us to seek a place of approval among others. The vast majority of people could never fully eliminate the fear of being lonely required. But the key is to balance it, and knowing when it is or is not beneficial to prioritize it. The problem with people like the men on TRP is that they are primarily driven by the opinions of others, which leads to a lot of personal sacrifices, whi…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/16 03:03 PM
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Its because these traits fall within like 95 % of the female population. I'm sure it seems that way to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/16 12:50 AM
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The truth is females sexual satisfaction is irrelevant biologically speaking. And human sexual behavior isn't just for procreation; we are a social species and use it as part of our social dynamics, and in that respect, female orgasm is relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/16 12:35 AM
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A good discussion or debate requires well informed stances on both sides. Your stance is not well inforned, but you want it to be treated as such. Not going to happen. You started by half assedly evoking science as the explanation for your opinion. When confronted with actual science stating the opposite, you abandoned that because "science is rigged" (despite not offering evidence of it, nor having the familiarity with science to claim that) in favor of "real world experience." When I asked for…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/16 09:35 PM
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If women were so much more empathetic they wouldn't do so many cruel things. If men were so much more empathetic, they wouldn't do so many cruel things. Who started genocides? Who are the female bullies? Damaged girls, abused girls, girls with low self-esteem. You can't see their damage because you can't read women. But not about women. When's the last time you picked up a peer-reviewed journal and read some studies? Which journals do you have subscriptions to? You are fucking deluded if you thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/16 03:31 PM
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I don't know. Maybe you have codependent tendencies. Maybe you didn't get a chance to because those girls dumped you first. Why can I listen to the same song on repeat for hours without getting bored? Really not comparable to relationships. But female brains always look for reasons to stop wanting guys, whereas male brains generally look for reasons to start wanting girls. Not really. There's people A (who don't get bored easily) and people B (who get bored easily) in both genders. Why do you ke…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 04:10 PM
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I don't believe in falling out of love. You don't have to believe it, it is what it is. People change over time and what they want can change over time. I also don't believe in making promises you aren't gonna keep I agree, but I also think a lot of times when people make promises they intend to keep them, things just change later. If you're the kind of girl who gets bored with guys easily, then you shouldn't tell a guy you're in love with him I agree but this requires more self-awareness than t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 03:52 PM
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Refusing to talk to women?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 03:48 PM
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People can be in love and then fall out of love. This is not the same as not being in love. If a guy went up to you and talked about how beautiful your blue eyes were when you have brown eyes, would you really believe he's sincere about his affection? That's what being with a Nice Guy is like...they shower you with affect and compliment you on things that are not you, without even knowing what you're like. How could someone love you if they knew you for 3 weeks? None of my exes loved me as a per…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 03:47 PM
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The nonviolent men are propositioning women all the time, probably more than the violent ones. We don't know, is the thing. It is an insane blue pill myth that less successful men don't proposition women. It's not a myth. Go read some of the incel threads around here. Most suffer from depression or social anxiety and don't really socialize or ask women out because of fears of rejection. It's also a huge violation of Occam's razor. Occam's razor means taking the simplest explanation. It's logical…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 03:43 PM
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Nice guys are never in love with the person, that's the problem. Not naive love, not puppy love, not real love. They don't know nor care to know about the person. They are thirsty for love to the extent that they concoct a fantasy around any attractive woman that is accessible to them. That's why so many wind up pining for pretty shitty women or women who "date assholes." Because they didn't bother to actually get to know the woman they are lavishing with affection.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 03:36 PM
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I covered your question and then I expanded on it. Is there something else you'd like me to cover? [edit] I see your point, my response wasn't clear. I don't think much of what you linked because I don't see it as fact due to what appears to be flawed methodology. I then added that I think this preoccupation with niceness being unattractive is due to people not understanding that niceness is not everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 03:24 PM
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I think this is correct, and the case for me as well. A good personality can't compensate for an ugly guy, but an average guy can definitely increase his attractiveness by having a good personality. I don't know how it is for others, but for myself at least, some form of emotional bond is a huge prerequisite for sexual attraction and it's hard to develop that with someone who has a shitty personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 04:55 AM
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Have you ever had a one night stand before? No. Have you ever had a fuckbuddy, friends with benefits, or purely sexual relationship? No. In college, did you belong to a social sorority? No. Have you ever hooked up with someone at a party in college before? No. Have you ever had sex while drunk? Yes. Have you ever dated or had sex with a gym bro, or fairly muscular guy? One of my boyfriends picked up weight training after we started dating, so yes. Have you ever dated a guy with lots of tattoos o…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 04:19 AM
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50% of marriages don't end in divorce. It's not that special.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 04:07 AM
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Dude, you're a stranger online, get over yourself. I'm sorry your marriage failed but I had nothing to do with it. Save your resentment for those that deserve it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 12:20 AM
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You want me to plan for the imaginary lamentations of confused and bitter men? Concepts like your "hypergamy" really don't have a place in my relationship dynamic or real life in general. For me, it's an interesting concept to debate and hypothesize about on here, but that's about it. If my attraction to him wanes or vice versa, we'll address it the way we address every other problem that has arisen in our relationship. If your implication is that I will immediately dump him, that's really not e…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 12:12 AM
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My dad was raised in that kind of environment (Eastern Europe) but he saw too many cases where women heavily relied on men and it backfired when a man would a) die, b) become a drunk or c) just turn out to be a sleaze. So he raised me with self-reliance in mind, so that I don't have to find myself in those situations. Maybe I'm not explaining it well but unions and cooperation are still a part of my relationship and my outlook on relationships. Me and my boyfriend are a team, we're working toget…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/16 08:40 PM
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As a woman, my (traditional) father actually raised me to be self-sustaining and independent. So for all intents and purposes, I don't need a man. I can afford rent, food, and even have kids through sperm donors without a man, and then afford those kids too. But I still want a man in my life. Why? Nothing compares to having a life partner. Nothing compares to sharing your ups and downs with somebody, and working as a team to create a family rather than doing it yourself. Nothing compares to bein…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/16 08:30 PM
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Nice Guys should work on increasing their attraction and controlling their thirst for love so they can actually find a girl who they want to love/fuck and who loves/fucks them back, rather than overshowering the first girl that acknowledges their existence with insincere affection.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/16 08:03 PM
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These guys are looking for someone to love. These guys are looking for someone to love...then they pick the first person they can find and shower them with love whether that person wanted it or not (not important) and expect that person to return that love, usually getting angry when that is not the case. What is the problem with this? It's that they don't actually love that person. They could care less about them. They care about creating the dynamic of love and be loved as fast as possible. Wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/16 07:56 PM
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That's why they're "nice" and WAY TOO FUCKING NICE It's the fact that everyone who encounters them can subconsciously detect that they are not psychologically healthy This is really insighful, and correlates with my experiences with Nice Guys. I can tell a Nice Guy because he starts throwing out generic compliments that actually mean nothing to me, by asking me things about myself or my day and acting like what I am saying is SOOO interesting, but can't even remember it the next day. These peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/16 07:47 PM
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A lot of people are nice. It's pretty obvious that a good looking girl (which is usually who Nice Guys target) would find an equally good looking man, who is also nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/16 07:38 PM
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Women love what I can do for them and I love giving it to them (not just talking about sex). Don't believe this for a second. The extent to which you fail to understand women doesn't correlate with much successful interaction with them. Just because there's no establishment approved proof of it doesn't mean it isn't true. The fact that there's established proof of the opposite is what makes it false. And not just indirectly measured research but actual ascertained neural pathways associated with…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/16 06:08 PM
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I find it impossible to be angry at women because they literally aren't capable of doing anything else, and honestly I can't help but feel bad for them at times. This is a defense mechanism your brain has created for you to help you deal with your depression and feelings of inadequacy. It's easier to convince yourself women are not capable of these things than it is to admit women are capable of these things but there's something about you that makes women not share these things with you. Unfort…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/16 04:35 PM
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you'd make attempts to hook them up with some of your female friends/acquaintances, I've tried and now I'm out of female friends to hook them up with. be their wingwoman at the bars and clubs, I try, but they look miserable the whole time and it's a pain in the ass to get them out of the house in the first place. even if you fail at this you can always pay a hooker on the down-low to show your incel friends some love, I care about my incel friends, but I'm not going to jail for them. They can bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/16 04:24 PM
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Right, but don't latch on to that disclaimer too much. Like I said, most people are not this wise and do not employ TRP successfully in relationships, nor is TRP strategy the way it's originally delivered suitable for relationships. Thus people's criticisms that TRP doesn't work for relationships and will ruin them, for the most part, is correct. It also bears saying that a proper RP-style relationship requires a RP-type woman. I know some people will say, "all women secretly yearn for this!" bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/16 04:51 AM
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Maybe you just don't want to admit you're the bottom 1%.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/16 04:00 AM
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How is men displaying vulnerability and emotion related to actual neckbeards?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/16 03:39 AM
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We are talking more about the low-bar, mattress-girl, yes-means-yes "rape". I think the whole Stanford rape drama has proven that most people here will make excuses for even "real rape" not being rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/16 04:22 AM
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If it is such a big deal, why did you date him or choose to marry him? Fortune-telling is not a human skill. Most people marry others without forseeing that someday he's going to get lost and get butthurt when told he's lost. As I said before, if you're constantly criticising his driving instead of making a solid plan beforehand, you're treating him like a child. Who said constantly? Then don't marry an immature douche or one who gets lost a lot if it is that irksome. Why did immature douche pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/16 04:17 AM
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I disagree with you but I admire that you're consistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/16 04:13 AM
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I agree about picking battles. But I don't see why this has to be a battle - that is my complaint. If I told my boyfriend, "honey, you're going the wrong way" (which I have ) he doesn't flip his shit, get his ego bruised and stew in resentment. He just asks why I say that and double checks directions. Only immature pepole do that. Nagging is a seperately issue and is annoying, I agree. But in noral relationshops, for them to be functional, you should be able to point out mistakes without there b…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/16 02:04 AM
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Sorry, I can't quote you because I'm on mobile, but how is it arrogant? Do you think it's better to let the man drive around in circles for another 30 minutes before he figures out he's going the wrong way, wasting time and gas, and maybe missing the event you're driving to? That's kind of dumb. I'm a firm supporter of picking your battles, but I don't see why this has to be a battle. I don't see how saying, "honey, I'm pretty sure you're going the wrong way" becomes an attack on one's overall e…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/16 02:00 AM
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Which studies? I don't buy that for a second.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/16 01:41 AM
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It is educational, it's showing how to properly put it on so that people don't get STD's or knock someone up. That's not teaching them how to get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/16 04:20 PM
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How don't you think trying to put someone in jail for 10 years is not a violent crime? Because it's not up to my opinion. You and I can sit here and discuss semantics all we want and we can call it anything we want. But the word violent means something specific in law. And to be honest, it's not violent even in every day use of the term. It's shitty, improper, unfair, disgusting. But it's not violent. Charles Manson What Charles Manson did is not on par with what false rape accusers do.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/16 03:54 PM
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What's the point when nothing I say is worthwhile to you? Good faith goes both ways. And I do have a fantastic empathy. Have a good one.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/16 03:41 PM
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I believe Conspiracy to Commit Murder is considered a violent crime. Not always, but what you're talking about with false rape accusations is not equivalent to how one gets a conspiracy to commit murder charge. Testifying in court is different than going down and filing the initial charges to the police. It's deliberately going to court to provide false information for whatever reason. Usually involves going through the police/case detectives. you are probably actively covering up the actual mur…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/16 03:37 PM
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It's not easy, as a man (and this is where your womaness fails you). Look, cut the crap dude. I get dating is slightly different for men and women. Contrary to what you might think, men don't exist in a bubble. I see their interactions in dating. I know they're usually the ones that have to approach. When a man approaches a woman, there's actually a woman there witnessing it. Sometimes, I'm that woman. But if you want to sit there and whine about how literally no one can comprehend even a small …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/16 03:26 PM
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Wow, is that real? The part about not correcting a man's driving? That's absurd. Putting aside, RPW/BP/whatever else, if a man can't stand to be told he's wrong even about minor things, he's a child, not some alpha leader who you need to fight to keep in your life. Anyone who thinks that way is trying too hard to salvage a relationship that is already dying because the other person is not relationship-material. I've seen RP-ers do the same...completely reforming themselves when the reality is, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/16 03:12 PM
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Getting raped causes you psychological distress but in real terms it has less long term impact on your day to day life Psychological distress itself can cause impact on one's day to day life. people become depressed and withdrawn, they drop out from school, they lose their jobs because their performance is shit, their relationships fall apart because of lack of intimacy. Embarrassing panic attacks in public. My best friend was raped as a teen. She's in her 30's and still hasn't had a relationshi…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/16 02:46 PM
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A false accusation is a violent crime that leads to a list of crimes and seriously harms the victim. It's not a violent crime. The word violent means something specific in law; it's not a fun adjective. The false accuser is usurping the legal system to carry out their harmful bidding. Should we treat people who give false testimonies or false reports the same way? Should a false testimony in a murder case carry a sentence longer than murder?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/16 02:42 PM
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I do have an amazing ability to empathize, but this is exactly what I mean. I'm guessing you didn't even bother reading the rest of my post after I said that. (shrug) To summarize, most incels aren't looking for advice, they're looking for a pity party, and unless someone is interested in giving them that, they are dismissive of any genuine attempt at giving advice, and they will employ various strategies to do so. One you just employed yourself. Continue that way, and you'll just stay miserable…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/16 02:38 PM
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I think that's rationalizing. Yeah, other factors do contribute to one's appearance; this is not exclusive to women. I've known guys not attracted to a hot girl because "she looks like a bitch." However, most of the pics posted above are of people I've never heard of. If you show a woman a picture of a guy she doesn't know, and she tells you she doesn't find him hot, chances are, she doesn't find him hot. Maybe the phenomenon at play here is that men have different standards for other men than w…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/16 02:48 AM
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If he had a more handsome face like say Ryan Reynolds then you'd be singing a different tune, I suspect It might help but it wouldn't change his body proportions. I think this perfectly illustrates different tastes. Some women would be oogling him at the beach. Myself? Honestly, not really.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/16 04:16 PM
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Wow, he's a 6 for me and even then, mainly because of the effort he puts into his body. Personally, he's too lean, shoulders not wide, waist wide. I like the triangle shape of men you get with wide shoulders and small waist.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/16 02:56 PM
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I actually find overly defined adonis belts really unattractive. Same thing with people who overwork their shoulder/neck muscles. It makes their neck look stubby. I'm not going to say overall that guy is attractive, but when I think of an ideal male physique, it's less lean than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/16 02:54 PM
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Even the WHR has been proven to not be universal. Many cultures in the Pacific actually prefer apple shaped women's bodies which means big chest, wider stomach, small hip.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/16 02:47 PM
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Why would she be "just saying it?" For what purpose?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/16 02:46 PM
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You have several very good motivations to paint them as mentally ill. I understand what you are trying to say but the relationship between a RP/BP and an incel is not that of a whistleblower and a shady corporation. I already said, there is no need or purpose to paint an incel as crazy. Actions need motivations, and if you can't come up with a good motivation, then that's probably not the action that is being taken. I know when I personally tell someone "You have an illness," even in the deepest…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/16 02:15 PM
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It's a tactic used to dismiss any complaints that the person might have. Thanks for the history lesson. But I'm not dismissing anyone, nor is me saying, "Hey, you sound like you're depressed, you should get help," actually intended to be dismissive, it's intended to be helpful. The reality is, there IS a lot of overlap between incels and mental illnesses. In general, mental illnesses and disorders do tend to have an impact on one's social life. I also have an injury that's probably ...etc You cl…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/16 06:38 AM
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Not really. I operate on what feels right to me. Sometimes that is behaving in a feminine way, sometimes in a neutral way, sometimes in a masculine way. My hobbies and interests involve all 3. I don't feel the need to deprive myself of any of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/16 04:06 AM
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The nuclear family was the foundation of the human race Actually group loosely joined by familial ties is the foundation of the human race, much like all other Great Apes. Nuclear families is a fairly recent invention as far as the history of the human race goes, unless you believe the human race started 2000 years ago. Was nuclear family ever the best organizational unit? Yeah, given the time, context and environment. But these sorts of things have a way of changing over time. Things become obs…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/16 04:01 AM
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Some depression is untreatable, this is true. Some people find therapy to be life-saving. I hope that someday all depression will be treatable. But knowing this, knowing you have a mental illness, knowing that it might be affecting your mind and perception, knowing it might be untreatable....how can you sit there and say the problem is women or the world? I don't get how you simultaneously acknowledge you have a serious issue that is directly tied to feeling unhappy yet also blame everything els…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/16 03:48 AM
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I dislike feminists, incels, and anyone else like that. Hate is a strong word but definitely dislike. My father raised me with a "get over it, fix your problems, happiness is earned" mentality. Thus people wallowing in self pity, playing the victim and pointing fingers annoy me. I want to see them happy but the only way they'll ever be happy is by getting over it and fixing their own life.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/16 06:04 PM
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Being pissed at others because you are unattractive, or don't know how to socialize, or have mental disorders, or won't even try, it's not a good reason. Bigotry is hated and intolerance for others. Being bigoted against women for not fixing your problems that only you can fix is not a good reason to be bigoted. The worst part of this incel culture is this delusion that women will fix your unhappiness. Even if they could acquire women, most of these types of incels will still be miserabe. Nothin…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/16 05:57 PM
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Yeah, just like them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/16 05:51 PM
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He had nothing to be depressed about. When he told us he was depressed and in treatment (we didn't even know), we asked why and even he said he has no idea. Now, I know why. He had an illness. That's how depressionworks. It doesn't matter what his life was like. He could never enjoy it. I'm not saying this to make you feel better or make you bitter, it's to show you the nature of depression. You think girls will cure you? They won't. You'll have sex, now you want multiple partners. You have that…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/16 05:46 PM
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They don't have to coax other people's feelings but other people don't have to like them or their manner either. I try to reserve sympathy for those who earn it. A person who had a rough time but still maintains some degree of reason is impressive. A guy who turns to hate and bigotry and blaming others for HIS problems is just not an admirable or relatable person.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/16 05:35 PM
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If you have depression, do you honestly think dating and sex is going to fix it? It won't. It may fix it for a bit but then your mind just adjusts and then you start wanting more and more, because the problem with depression is you never see what you do have. Let me tell you about a good friend of mine. He was a sporty, outgoing and super charming guy. Had a ton of friends and was liked by everybody. He had an awesome huge family, I loved going over to his house because his family was so friendl…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/16 02:38 PM
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Like what, hearing that I need therapy over and over again? Guess what, I had therapy, I'm on meds, I'm still a lonely virgin that wants to die. People tell you that because they can tell you are depressed and need it, but they can't be your therapist. Some don't want to - they don't want to expend the time or energy to fix you but even if they could, they wouldn't even know where to start. If therapy is not working for you, you need to take that up with your therapist. But saying you need thera…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/16 02:25 PM
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You stated we have things most people in western democracies have Yeah, why does that make it any less on their own? Your life would significantly be harder and more doomed if you didn't have those things, so yeah, you do have a lot going for you. Do you feel the need to have better/more than most people? Because that may be part of your problem. And, I bet you've never been alone past the age of 16. Actually, I have. Without going into too much detail, there were things outside my control that …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/16 02:22 PM
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And, about the "misogyny" it's less hatred for women and more bitterness at a life of rejection and hearing they arent Bitterness at rejection is why the misogyny exists, not an exception to it. Most people don't hate another gender/class/nationality of people for no reason, it's usually tied to something else. It doesn't make it any less misogynistic. And, why wouldn't you give up in the absence of success? Why wouldn't you try everything before giving up? We have no reason to be happy And it's…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/16 02:14 PM
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and, the guys in those screen caps aren't nice guys, they're assholes. No argument there but nothing stops those assholes from calling themselves nice guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/16 01:43 PM
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truly, on some deep level, wish that all incel men would die. WHAT. No! Not even remotely. I wish they would all get over their issues and have satisfying relationships, regardless of likelihood to happen. Simple, from all the subs and websites dedicated to insulting them, to the attempts to stifle any advice they may get. Even if that's true, that's still a HUGE jump. Maybe they're just annoying to some people. As for me, I don't insult them and I don't stifle anything, but I will call shitty a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/16 01:21 PM
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I feel like certain things define people better than other things. I think generally speaking you could ascertain a lot more about a person based on their socioeconomic status than gender. TRP is that it generalizes women and doesn't take into account individual differences in dating preferences Actually my problem with TRP is that it takes niche women and the characteristics of a small subset of women and generalizes to all women, rather than generalizing in the first place. If you're going to …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/16 02:33 AM
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You're right, I guess a better term would be evenness.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/16 02:24 AM
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I operate under a strict rule of fairness. In general, I give people benefit of the doubt and treat them well, and try to maintain my relationships with them generally even. Additionally, I just try to be a decent and conscientious person. Whether or not it's "rewarded" by society or whether or not it makes me vulnerable to being taken advantage of is irrelevant. I try to keep wary of those possibilities but it means a lot to me to know that I at least try to be a decent person. To go more by th…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/16 05:35 AM
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I just don't understand how someone would want to be with me if they are not sexually attracted to me. Who said they wouldn't be sexually attracted to you? All I said was attraction is compromised of multiple characteristics. Your face, your stature, your height, your hair color, the amount of hair, the shape of your nose. And also, your charisma, your intellect, your humor, your goals, your ambition, etc. I don't know how it works for men, but sexuality is very mental for a woman. It's not just…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/16 01:24 AM
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Try going off of Tinder. Tinder is for hookups and is incredibly looks-based. Do you think that a woman's preferences on tinder doesn't carry on into the real world? Yes if you're still talking about the casual dating scene niche. Not so much outside of that. Outside of that, people have to interact with you in a non-looks based context and therefore your looks are not as important (not saying they are irrelevant, just not as important.) This gives you the opportunity to display your other posit…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/16 07:56 PM
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Most likely, people look away because people are not comfortable making eye contact with strangers in the grocery store.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/16 06:24 PM
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What kind of women do you pursue? Have you tried dating women outside the Tinder/casual hookup scene? The reason being that scene tends to be the easiest to meet people, but also the most shallow. So if you're not physically attractive, you're going to have to work harder and that means meeting people the hard way. I've known a lot of women who have dated men 5'4-5'8, including myself. Is it harder? Yes. A lot of women have a rule that a man has to be two inches taller than her so if she's 5'6 o…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/16 06:21 PM
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So if I fail to get a job the first 5 apps I send out, and I stop, it's not my fault I am unemployed? And instead of correcting the thing that makes me unemployable, which I am well aware of, I will proclaim myself the victim of employers? I get that he tried, but he clearly has a problem that makes his efforts futile, so he can correct that problem and make his next set of efforts not so futile.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/16 06:14 PM
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Agreed, that would be a good way to reintroduce competition while simultaneously teaching kids the important life skill of cooperation. I would say the biggest thing lacking in education currently is just reward systems. Good grades don't really translate into a tangible reward for a lot of people....it's something far off that might matter if you go to college and even then, most people can get into a state school with B's and C's, which encourages mediocrity.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/16 05:32 PM
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I agree with adding competition. However, Stop making boys do cooperative group projects The reality is, most career paths nowadays is going to put you working in a team, with you contributing a part of a bigger whole. This is absolutely not something we should stop making boys do, unless we want them to grow up unable to actually work in a team. Whether or not boys are somehow naturally worse at it at girls, this is a skill that they would need to work on. Lots of boys more than girls don't wan…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/16 05:23 PM
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Currently, many classroom environments are geared towards female learning styles But this is a teaching style that was present way before women were even expected/allowed to get an education. It was crafted by male teachers for male students. I do agree with you that interactive activities would be beneficial to both genders. I think the more accurate statement here is that the old style of teaching is simply outdated for the modern world, especially for boys. And any teacher would tell you mild…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/16 05:19 PM
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Aim beyond getting laid then. I didn't say dating skills, I said social skills. There's a lot that knowing how to socialize could do for you, including getting laid and having relationships, but not limited to that. Also, are you really an incel in this case? If you're voluntarily not choosing to improve what you need to improve, then you're not really the involuntary part of the incel...you're just celibate.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/16 04:38 PM
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Why not train your social skills as much as you train your body? Obviously it's going to require rejection and people looking at you weird, but there's no reason why over time, you should not improve your ability to control blurting out the first thing that comes to mind. Even truly autistic people improve with social training, so I don't see why you could not except that it may be temporarily painful to have people look at you like you're weird. Also, honestly if people are ceasing to talk to y…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/16 03:50 PM
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Game and personality are two different things. Even TRP acknowledges the difference between the two. Game is a set of tools that one can pick and choose from depending on the context to attract women. Good game is knowing how to use those tools effectively. Personality is the innate default you are at. I don't know why some here are blurring the two. Possibly because it makes them feel uncomfortable to know they sacrificed their personality in the name of game, or maybe jealousy bred by knowing …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/16 02:53 PM
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That's kind of...depressing. That other people have that much impact on your identity. You are right though, you are unusual. Most people have a firmer identity that may only mildly be affected by who they are around, if at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/16 02:27 PM
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Why does it have to be game? Why can't it be personality? Why don't you believe that being charming just comes naturally to some people? That some people don't have to learn it, or practice it, or strategize their interactions with others? lies work on everyone But this would be more like, you teach people a certain way of lying. Maybe a certain way of delivering the lie. Naturally, you have people who either are familiar with that style and the fact that a lie is involved, or just don't like th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/16 02:21 PM
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It wasn't an analogy, it was an example. What's wrong with it? Why do so many of you not understand how examples work? I did not equate child rape and treating a woman as a child. If I wanted to do that, I would have. The style of the comment I posted does not operate on a A is like B logic. Child rape is not the same as treating a woman like a child. But both are examples of how someone convinces themselves they're doing something favorable to the other party when they are not. A and B share C …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/16 03:21 AM
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You guys sure are proving OP's point right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/16 03:30 PM
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Yeah, I buy none of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/16 02:42 PM
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I've found that when people like doing something that selfishly benefits them, they tend to rationalize it and justify it by claiming how others totally love it! Like, child rapists justify their abuse by saying it was out of love and the children were happy and well taken care of. Then you look at the children...not so much the case. I'd be interested in hearing your wife's side. In fact I don't weigh any anecdotes claiming what women love is not what you would expect unless it's coming from a …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/16 08:50 PM
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You can't equate playful banter with an actual relationship dynamic. Of course playfully doing that would be received benevolently because it would be treated as just that - playful and not serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/16 02:15 PM
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Thats...thats a lot of hamstering. If you want to actually have a discussion, start by saying you disagree with me and then explain why. You know, much like a ten year old can gain wisdom and sophistication before hitting the age of 11, an 18 year old Obviously? But a woman's ability to gain wisdom and sophistication past the teen years is negated by the statement that you are referring to. If the genders were reversed, and there were claims that women mature a lot slower than men, I bet it woul…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/16 07:44 AM
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Sure, but many guys are aiming for the hookup/ONS scene because they've decided that LTRs are a losing strategy. Then they should be more attractive. I mean, if you put yourself in a niche that is incredibly shallow, you can't then extrapolate to all niches just because you're not good at the other ones. What you see is still only characteristic of that one niche you're in.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/16 05:55 AM
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I don't buy the premise that saying men mature slower than woman is NOT misandrist, but let's pretend your premise is true. There's some differences between the two statements. Saying men mature slower doesn't put a cap on their maturity. Saying a woman ONLY matures to the level of a teenager is basically saying none of her years after 18 really matter and she gains literally no wisdom or sophistication ever again. Obviously, one is worse than the other. Going off of the above, it's a lot easier…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/16 05:48 AM
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I'm not the person you are replying to, but I will try. On Tinder, the ONLY thing you get to judge a person is their pictures. And a short intro, which people usually don't take seriously anyway. Therefore, even if you are not shallow, even if you care about other attributes, the only thing you can really judge a person on is their looks because that's all you get. You don't know their personality, their hobbies, their hopes and dreams, their ambition, their career, nothing. In real life, we int…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/16 02:25 AM
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Tinder isn't really used for dating, it's used for hookups. Standards for dating and LTR are a lot different than ONS.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/16 02:15 AM
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Then average looking people should get off Tinder, where the primary way to advertise yourself is through your appearance, and join the rest of society, where you may be judged in other ways that you may have more of an advantage in than looks. I don't know why some people equate Tinder with everything. There's a whole world outside of Tinder. Anyway, yes, I do think an attractive man can get away with saying outlandish things more than an unattractive man. This is obvious, and is true of both g…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/16 01:31 PM
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So you'd rather date a boring girl who doesn't share your hobbies because if she did, she might be interesting enough to have men to choose from? Wow, that's a really crippling self-esteem issue dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/16 03:01 AM
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For example, I can never have first hand experience what its like to go through a menstrual cycle. A woman's best resource for that is another woman. lol What. Menstruation is not an interest or a hobby, it just is. Women don't sit there and have conversations lasting hours about menstruating. At most we passively acknowledge that we currently have cramps and it hurts, but I do that with my male friends too. Just because they've never felt menstruation does not mean they've never experienced pai…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/16 02:38 PM
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I disagree with the belief that every guy would see going from a plate to a LTR as losing something, some may actually judge it as gaining something depending on what their end goal is. A guy who enjoys being single would obviously see it as a loss but some guys wind up finding a plate as a precursor to a relationship, so they may like the idea. However, The ability to say "no deal" and walk away from something or someone entirely is absolutely a PREREQUISITE for ANY successful negotiations of b…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/16 04:18 PM
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I understand you would be upset about that enough to want to see your ex punished, but family court is not criminal court. Family court has its own way of dealing with violations of court orders. Sometimes that includes jail time, but most of the time it tries to avoid it because it's dealing with 2 parents, and deals with their parenting. It would be extremely hypocritical of the court to stress the need for providership but then simultaneously remove providership from kids. It's not "pussy pas…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/16 02:58 PM
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Prior to the 1970s women were even more favored in terms of custody. A woman divorcing in the 50s, for example, was absolutely guaranteed to keep her kids, not even a question. Courts have actually improved for men since the 70's in regards to custody.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/16 02:13 PM
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So, your ex violated a court order, you reported it, and then you got to see your kids plus extra make up time. I don't see the problem. I don't think she has to get fined or go to jail - this is family court, not criminal court. And I don't know individual state laws, but if she kept doing that repeatedly, you could request joint custody/full custody of your kids. During your divorce, did you ask for joint/full custody?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/16 02:11 PM
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I think you make some good points but one point of contention I have is that by your argument, one has to actually experience consequences to understand them and act differently. To use your club fight example, I would not start a fight in a club with a large dude, because at best I can only believe that someone MAY come to my rescue, and that because a large dude is bigger than me, he will probably inflict pain on myself, on others who choose to join the fight. There may be arrests, I may get k…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/16 03:52 AM
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Except men who ask for custody typically get joint custody rulings, so it's hardly useless.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/16 03:37 AM
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their visitation rights are denied in many cases Then they should report it to the courts. Child support can actually be suspended if the other party isn't allowing visitation rights, not to mention the other party can lose custody. If they're not reporting it to the courts then it goes back to men not actually fighting to see their kids. Because what you're talking about is a literal violation of a court order and courts don't take kindly to that. chance to form a bond with the child if they ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/16 03:36 AM
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Day Care Services: $300-400 per month Food: $200 per month Healthcare: $100 for just insurance per month, more if health issues/doctor visits; insurance premium might be less if subsidized by employer Dental care: $50 for just insuranceper month, more if dental issues arise, braces alone are 5k usually Vision care: potential cost Misc costs: 0-$200 a month
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/16 02:46 PM
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Ideal proposal but unfortunately there's no way the government is going to create a subset department that handles money in divorce cases, and private ones are expensive and would most likely have to be paid by the providing party (aka the man). Not to mention I fail to fully see the point of it in most cases, except when wealthy parties are involved. I think people fail to recognize just how expensive kids are. In the average case of child support, the money is not enough to fully cover the cos…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/16 02:42 PM
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Isn't it true that something like only 50% or men in divorces actually request joint custody? [Edit] Yes. In 51 percent of custody cases, both parents agreed — on their own — that mom become the custodial parent. In 29 percent of custody cases, the decision was made without any third party involvement. In 11 percent of custody cases, the decision for mom to have custody was made during mediation. In 5 percent of custody cases, the issue was resolved after a custody evaluation. Only 4 percent of …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/16 02:35 PM
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Well, by your own admission, you acknowledge that the women you find physically appealing happen to have the negative traits that you attribute to AWALT. It is because you are not taking the next step in filtering out women besides the first step of them being physically appealing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/16 07:49 AM
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Everyone will be that way at some point and in certain situations The obvious meaning of me using those terms is as general personality traits or defining traits of a person, not a "at some point in a certain situation" thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/16 07:47 AM
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Despite Red Piller's claims otherwise, the rest of society also holds the belief that people who are personable, physically attractive and charming will have more success with women. The idea that women (or hell, people) respond to this is not a RP thing. What are strictly RP concepts are things like women being about as mature as teenagers, women being hypergamous, women unwilling to take responsibility for their actions. I've interacted with a lot of people, and am fairly decent at reading the…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/16 03:08 PM
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I agree with you, but do you mean to imply that people are obligated to protect others? No, it just doesn't make a lot of sense. Why not run and scream for help, for example, so that even if you are getting yourself to safety attention will be drawn to the individual who cannot get to safety? Regardless, this is kind of beside the point. I was dissecting his false claims. We know the reason he ran was because he didn't want to get caught. This is just to show he knew what he was doing was wrong …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/16 04:37 AM
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Not the same crime but incidents like the Jodi Arias trial obviously indicate that there can be the same level of attention received even when the victim is a man. The driving force behind why this received a lot of attention is not the genders of the perpetrator and victim - rape against women happens all the time and you don't even hear about most of it. It's because of the trial and the sentencing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/16 03:43 PM
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Brock Turner did more harm than he realised because it will be called rape culture when actually he was not a predator with a criminal past. No, instead, he was a predator without a criminal past. Look, I can agree with a lot of what you are saying here, in particular how this will be overdramatized and how this will impact men and perception of men negatively. I think that much is obvious. However, one thing I cannot seem to understand is how you and a few others on this thread took this guy an…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 10:11 PM
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Actually more recent studies that expand on this show that there is still a wage gap. Particularly they studied young adults just entering the workplace as they are less likely to have childrearing disruptions. They also focused on first employment so as to eliminate the possibility of influence of men switching employers and being better negotiators of pay. The results still indicated that men were offered higher wages for same or lesser education, on average, and higher pay for first employmen…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 08:07 PM
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He has. And public speeches. And private speeches. The question is, why does it both you so much that out of the many types of victims he addressed - in public speeches even - he also addressed this one? If he has time on his hands to do that, why does it make you angry enough to post several times on this thread criticizing it?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 07:57 PM
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Do you believe it's a deliberate action or just their methods are currently ineffectual? Because I could agree with you on the latter - they believe that what they are preaching would actually help even though in reality it doesn't. I disagree with you on the former. I don't see why feminists would not want to decrease rape deliberately.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 07:51 PM
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This is in attempt to get everyone convinced it's a huge problem, so people will be more likely to be on board with their proposed solutions, and more likely to contribute money to their cause. To what end? I agree they do this, but probably because they believe that rape IS a big problem. Then they often make excuses for anyone that doesn't report their rape, and say that the police aren't likely to believe them anyway. Are they excuses if it's true? Psychologists' and trauma experts' accounts …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 07:49 PM
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but when they've had five martinis and start groping/grabbing a guy how is he supposed to tell? Ask. Generally speaking if your partner can't enunciate a simple sentence, it's a bad idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 07:39 PM
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I feel like it's impossible for a lot of people to find a middle ground here. There's the side you are talking about, where they get incredibly defensive at any mention of things a woman might want to consider, and twist it to be you trying to justify the rape. But they're also usually responding to the other side where they equate men as hapless beings who can't help but assault if given the opportunity. I just recently replied to a guy in that Stanford rape case who called the victim getting d…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 07:37 PM
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Let's just ignore the nameless, faceless victims who die because of poverty, war and preventable diseases, shall we? Because Biden has never spoken out about victims of any other tragedy ever...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 07:04 PM
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It's stupid. No one would deny that getting blackout drunk is stupid. But it's not shitty behavior. Attacking someone who is vulnerable, however, is a shitty behavior. You cannot equate stupidly drinking too much to deliberately raping someone. The problem here is your language. Her "shitty behavior" of getting drunk but his mere "mistake" of assaulting her while she was unconscious. I can't imagine the kind of mindset and logical hoops it takes to twist what happened in the way you are doing it…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 06:58 PM
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I've always suspected the "real rape is bad" claim by the kind of men who can't even see two sides of the date rape scenario is bullshit. This confirms it. The real truth is that they just don't have the capacity for sympathy for women in any case of rape. Even if this was a case where he had a knife against her throat we'd still be talking about why she's in the ally, she probably wanted it at first, etc etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 06:01 PM
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And now there is ONE guy who gets away lightly and it immediately warrants a huge controversy and involvment of the vice president? This isn't the first or last time this has happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 05:58 PM
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Actions have consequences, etc etc. This isn't a guy who was a victim of a misunderstanding, where a drunk girl he was having sex with wasn't clearly turning him down or something. I don't know why people keep projecting that circumstance on this entirely different one. He knew what he was doing. He knew he should drag her behind a dumpster. He knew to run when he got caught. I don't think his life is over but he will have a hard time rebuilding it. But, it's his actions alone that put him in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 05:54 PM
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woman who is drunk is not responsible for her shitty behaviour. Being unconscious is shitty behavior?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 05:51 PM
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The guy fucked up, got smashed with a girl, kept trying after she passed out and was caught fingering her. It's hard to take your outrage about the public reaction to this seriously when you insert your own narrative into what happened. There's a big difference between what you said, and dragging someone unconscious behind a dumster and proceed to assault them, which is what he was actually convicted of. This isn't one of those fuzzy gray area cases where two people got drunk and started fooling…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 05:50 PM
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Then why are men attracted to women with no body hair. Current cultural preference. Culture DOES impact attraction. It's not all evolutionary/biology based. It's the same reason why men don't prefer their women chubby as they did in the 1600's, or why certain hairstyles are preferred, or certain fashion choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 05:40 PM
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I just want to point out that the statement you are basing this on is under a lot of historic debate in regards to its accuracy. Most renowned historians believe Aisha was married off at puberty, as was the custom at that time.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 05:36 PM
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Actually, it was never that common. First of all, women didn't undergo puberty in those days until much later, 14-15. Second of all, a lot of times even if a woman was married off, there would be some time until she was deemed "mature" by a midwife before engaging in sex (and potential pregnancy). Young pregnancies were incredibly dangerous for both wife and child. It's not like they had ER's and C-sections when things went wrong. I think everyone is under general agreement that pedophilia is du…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 05:30 PM
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This still doesn't really address the fundamental issue that maybe your parents' problems weren't able to be resolved rather than the narrative that your mom didn't try. You say that she likes chaos and she likes ambition, and your father is more relaxed. Maybe they were just fundamentally incompatible people. I found a lot of people who, like yourself, buy into the naive notion of "women are always sweet" also buy into the equally naive notion that everyone who winds up together is meant to be …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 05:20 PM
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Pretty much every psychology class I ever took. Yes they are two different categories of mental illnesses, but no, actually we do not see that both are equally susceptible. Not in occurrence rates, not in treatment diagnoses, not in self-reports, not in twin/sibling studies of both same-sex and opposite sex siblings. And we're not talking about small differences, we're talking about 2 or 3 times more likely. Specific genetic mutations associated with the development of particular disorders can a…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 05:07 PM
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The kind of competition you talk about is the kind that exists in your mind. It is not outward, direct competition for a specific thing - a work position for example. Achievement based self worth is the most concrete and strong form base for self worth. Yes, but why is achievement to you defined as doing better than others or something that only gets you further compared to others? I require very little if any external validation. Based on your views that you've written here, you are not being h…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/16 04:56 PM
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Serious question, what if the problems between your parents couldn't be solved? Typically as kids we tend to have a very shallow understanding of the things our parents go through. Would you rather your mother had stayed? I had a parent who stayed in an unhappy and unworking relationship. One of the absolute most depressing things in my life is watching the process both of my parents slowly dying on the inside as I was growing up - no hobbies, no interests, unable to connect, and knowing they di…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/16 01:54 PM
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TRP does spend a fair amount of time trying to instill in guy How successful do you think they are at this?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/16 01:45 PM
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Competition is good and can make you stronger, But there's healthy competition and unhealthy competition. Imaginary completion that makes you perpetually unhappy is not healthy competition. It's reflective of someone who validates their self worth purely externally, which anybody would tell you is a really fragile way to have self-esteem. I think what /u/RedXanaxBars is trying to say, sometimes what makes us happy and complete isn't always what is competitive with others. To be the kind of perso…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/16 01:41 PM
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One primary complaint about Blue Pillers is that they "put pussy on the pedestal" meaning they overvalue women and sacrifice too much of themselves for the purpose of one day getting laid. TRP never took pussy off the pedestal, they just started chasing it differently. But you still have men who sacrifice their personality, their morals, their attitudes, everything about themselves, for the purpose of one day getting laid by women they can't even stand. It's the same people; they never changed. …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/16 01:37 PM
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Might also explain why women are higher in all mental illnesses than men across the board. This isn't true.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 03:42 PM
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Ha, I am an INFJ and I find a lot in common with what you described about bars and tunnel-vision in terms of relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 03:36 PM
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Low testosterone is associated with depressive symptoms in men. I don't know what effect testosterone has on female depression but lack of estrogen is associated with depression in women (menopause). I guess you could say any lack of a normal amount of hormone or a hormone imbalance could definitely play a part.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 03:19 PM
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You are correct. It's generally accepted in psychology that women are more prone to depressive disorders, and men are more prone to antisocial disorders.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 05:28 AM
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Here are the two explanations that are generally accepted in the psychology field due to presence of supporting research: 1) Women have an easier time admitting and sharing to others that they are depressed, therefore they are more likely to both seek help and get a diagnosis. 2) Women may be inherently more predisposed to depressive disorders, the same way men are more predisposed to antisocial disorders. have pushed women to enter the workforce at any expense. Even that of raising a family You…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 05:24 AM
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And they don't find the idea of aiming down for convenience or for loyalty or whatever the best or ideal for them, while men do. Some women do for the same reason some men do. Most women don't for the same reasons most men don't. With this whole hypergamy thing, you are taking men who haven't had a lot of success with women and are, as they say, "thirsty" and watching them try to comprehend the average woman. Of course the average woman would appear "hypergamous" to them since the average woman …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 04:46 PM
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Yes. I acknowledged that point, like, 10 times already. Women like women more than men like men. Literally, that is what I keep replying back to you. Literally, that is what the study is saying. But you keep taking that to mean, "Women like women more than women like men." No. That is not what is being said. Like I told you, you could have 100 women, 5 could like women more, which means only 1 man would like men more, but that still means 95 women like men more. So you could not say, "women like…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 04:41 PM
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Hyper agency is a cornerstone of RP. Yeah, but not in the right way. Agency in TRP is "you need to take these steps to navigate the shitty society," rather than, "The reason society appeared shitty to you was because of your own actions."
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 04:36 PM
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That still isn't saying what you said. That is still saying women prefer women more than men prefer men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 04:24 PM
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Why are we still talking about it? Idk. You keep replying. If you disagree, then I guess we disagree. I think it's both attraction and filtering out weirdos. You think it's only attraction. If you already knew the answer then why post for a discussion? Not really. You know Peter Dinklage is a sex icon? Because of the character he plays, not 'status.' A lot of women are psychologically attached to that character, and people here have already done a better job than me of explaining how women respo…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 04:21 PM
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No we don't. The first sentence of your study states a conclusion that they found, through their study, that women favor women 5x more than men favor men. I didn't magically make that number up. Which cannot be extrapolated to mean women favor women more than men like you were doing, for the reasons I mentioned, and the math example I showed you. At this point, there's nothing left for me to add. You are either incredibly dense or you're refusing to admit you extrapolated past the study's actual…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 03:56 PM
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And yet they'll still meet strangers in clubs and whack off a guy in a back alley Yeah, after talking to him. Do you seriously think women do this if they feel uncomfortable or scared for their safety? Like, it's mind-boggling to me how you think that WOULDN'T be a factor in how women select men. Just because women aren't always right when they assess a man for safety doesn't mean they don't do it. It's a thing. As is attraction. They are two separate things but both are considered. Do you think…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 03:51 PM
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Wow. Ok. Let's play a numbers game. Some simple algebra. Let's say you have 100 women. Let's say you have 100 men. Now, all we know is that when women favor women, they do it 5x more than men. So...what if only 5 women favored women? So that means 95 women did not. That means, most women favor men. Therefore saying, "women favor women more than men" is false, because, even though, women favor women moreso than men favor men (5 women vs 1 man), women favor men WAAAY more than they favor women (95…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 03:37 PM
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I can't tell if you're trolling. I know what favoritism means. Do you know what the word, 'than' means, and its use and application in the English language? "Women show five more times favoritism for their own gender than men do for their gender" =/= "women favor women more than they favor men." It's not the same thing. All it says is when they DO favor their own gender, women do it moreso. But the majority of women could still be favoring men over women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 03:15 PM
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You're overblowing those risks way out of fucking proportion. I'm giving you a perspective. I'm not making commentary on how valid that risk is or is not. But if you think most women haven't considered at some point that they might wind up getting raped or dead in a basement after meeting strangers in clubs, you're mistaken. It's practically an archetype. It's like half of Lifetime movies. When women are being choosy on tinder, they ask for psychological stimulation, not for your non-rapist cred…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 03:08 PM
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And this goes back to exactly what I said, that you can't and should not paraphrase the conclusions of research studies. That wording was carefully selected to accurately reflect actual evidence or metrics. That if they wanted to say "women like women more than men," they would have. But it requires an entirely different set of datapoints to prove it that they obviously don't have or didn't bother to calculate because they didn't say it. Studies' wording is exact. Stick to the actual wording. Do…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 02:53 PM
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Women don't judge men by a simple conversation. You do realize I don't mean literally the ability to form sentences out of words right? Obviously, the content of the conversation is what is important. Yes, women do judge men based on what men say/present. I think even you agree with that although you are wording it differently. Agreed. Risk isn't the reason women are choosy, or the reason why they vet men before sex. You agree, but then you say the complete opposite of what I said. Risk IS the r…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 02:47 PM
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I'd go further to say that I think men should also be choosing partners based on personality and men minimizing the importance in personality is not just a difference, but a problem for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 02:40 PM
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Then why are so many men complaining about not getting laid? If it's easier and preferable to do it with your hand, especially given with some of the conclusions of women those guys would tell you, it seem like absolute insanity for them to actually pursue women when they could get better with their hand. Female stimulation and orgasm is pretty different and more complicated,which is why people are bringing up the vibrator thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 02:38 PM
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Women are nearly five times more likely to show an automatic preference for their own gender than men are to show such favoritism for their own gender
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 02:31 PM
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I could absolutely get on board with that, for both genders. If you want to be loved, you need to be loveable. I guess I disagree that, that is the predominant message present in TRP, or if it is, it is lost in and warped through a lot of other ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 02:30 PM
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Even outside of sex and when trying to get a significant others, the priorities differ completely. That's your narrative of how you think relationships play out. But you are asking why does something occur, and I am telling you why. None of the ways women judge a guy make sure he isn't crazy You'd be surprised how revealing holding a simple conversation with someone is. A woman wouldn't have sex with a guy she thought to be a pathetic loser even if he was 100% certain to be the least rapey and s…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 02:27 PM
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What that's saying is women like women more than men like men. Not "women like women more than they like men." That's an entirely different conclusion. A study's wording is carefully chosen and selected by numerous writers and editors. You shouldn't change it because you think it's interchangeable. If they wanted to say what you're saying, they would have said it. For what it's worth I'm not saying your conclusion is bad or wrong. But I hate how people treat studies so lazily on here, as if simp…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 02:19 PM
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Women are attracted to men similarly to how men are attracted to women. Women have a further capacity to be especially attracted to the psychological idea of men and sex. It makes sex more pleasurable and orgasms more intense. Therefore, women will try to make a connection with a man first to be able to tap into this infatuation and have a higher quality sex. This is what others on here are covering, but I want to further cover that women have additional reasons to be more selective. For starter…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 02:13 PM
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Where? The closest the study says to what you are saying is that women associate positive words with women more than men. But that's not the same as liking.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 02:09 PM
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Most men who come to TRP have tried to find a woman who will love and accept them for who they are and have found themselves alone But the question is, where they willing to do the same? I've known such 'unsuccessful with women' guys. Even when they did eventually find decent women who liked them, they drove them away. "I want to go here...why didn't you call ME, you made ME feel bad, I don't want you to do that because it bothers ME." Etc etc. They didn't treat the relationship as two partners …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 02:04 PM
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It's a victim complex. I don't know why it's so rewarding to people, but a lot of people I've known love to be the victims of their own narrative....not even just about gender issues although on here you're going to get that. Even if they are capable of empathy, it's like it goes on the backburner when it comes to processing or dealing with negative feelings or a negative event in their life. As it stands, sexism is good and bad for both men and women, depending on the context. I've said that be…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 01:54 PM
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That's not what the study you linked is saying. Your study is saying that when people do prefer their genders, women do it 5x more often than men. It says nothing about women preferring women over men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 01:47 PM
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The other common argument is that women generally vote for self interest, Everyone votes for self interest. Men, women, poor, rich, old, young.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 03:10 AM
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Except that people living in poverty and high crime areas happen to have MORE kids, who then go on to live in poverty and high crime, and have more kids themselves, and so on and so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 02:21 PM
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If we're going to give government handouts to shitty mothers, might as well cut out the middle (wo)man. How so? You can't hand a 5 year old a check and tell them to feed/clothe themselves. Do you suggest having a 3rd party to manage the finances? If so, who? If it requires extra funding you know the government will avoid it. Or did you mean take the kids away from the mother? Who will take care of the children? Our amazing foster care system? Just because single mothers may be dumb in their deci…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 02:17 PM
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I mean, I agree with you that women shouldn't be birthing children they can't take care of. But I do feel like pointing out that the government isn't bailing out the women in these situations, it's bailing out the child. The money provided by the government or the father goes towards taking care of the child. Our current state of government is such that feels bad for the fact that children will suffer because people are stupid. And recognizes that its bad for society if these children aren't hel…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 02:09 PM
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many do care about equality but realize it isn't achievable. Regardless, it's not their priority in terms of current behavior and goals. I never said that's how it should be and neither does trp I don't know what you may or may not have said but TRP does. Many believe that feminism (and I mean early feminism, not current feminism) was the absolute worst thing to happen to society for the sole purpose that it has allowed women to have roles outside of the homemaker role that they feel women shoul…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 07:13 AM
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Of course not every MRA/TRP is the same . I'm talking about the general populace of each. you keep pushing this trpers want inequality for women, It's not that RP-ers WANT inequality for women, it's that they either a) don't care about inequality or b) care about things that inevitably lead to inequality or c) care about other things way more Whereas MRAs would, generally speaking, prioritize equality, as long as equality is extended to men as well. you can be all for equality for others but rec…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 06:23 AM
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the guy himself is much to blame for his own predicament I could still say the same for TRP. For example, some of the complaints of women you would see on TRP is that they are shallow, don't make very good friends, are dumb/uninterested in self-improvement. But the same men also encourage meeting women in places where shallow selfish women tend to populate, and then go even further to state that the only value women have to offer is their looks. Well, if the only filter you place on the women th…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 05:23 AM
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A lot of times TRP really doesn't make itself conducive or available for reasonable discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 04:47 AM
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Wait really? (about the housewives thing) I knew they disliked working women (they believe it's not the best use of their natural talent to be in the workplace) but then, what's the problem with housewives?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 04:46 AM
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I'd wonder if he was interested in me but would just see how it plays out over the next couple of dates. Honestly though, I'd prefer a guy who doesn't kiss me on the first date over a guy who is overly touchy/gropey on the first date.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 04:43 AM
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I wouldn't say MRA's don't put work into themselves. But the end goal is completely different and TRP philosophy takes away from MRA's end goal. An MRA who is also a Red Piller is basically a hypocrite. That's not to say they don't have some good points and worthy initiatives but a lot of the sub is getting outraged over really petty shit. I mean you could say the same about TRP or TBP. It's not unique to MRAs.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 04:35 AM
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I would say, steer clear of TRP, because it really tends to cater to the frustrated men and feed/validate that frustration rather than help move past it. I'm not sure what help TBP can really give you. I would stay clear of the genderverse, as they call it. Maybe try places like /r/relationships to help get insight on how your relationship went down. I've posted on their once before and you typically get a good variety of insights. You could also try /r/AskReddit if you need more general insight…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 04:31 AM
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the relationships between the genders would be more symmetrical and reciprocal rather than being a difficult negotiation with men being on the demand side and women on the supply side I don't feel relationships between men and women are like that by nature. I believe you have people who demand a list of things (List A) and supply a list of things (List B) and relationships occur when two people find that their lists match up reasonably well. What one demands and the others may follow some gender…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 04:00 AM
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Honestly, I would just stay away from the scene altogether if you don't feel compelled/intrigued about it already. I guess the real question is, what are you looking to get out of the community that you are seeking?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 03:49 AM
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I see and agree with a lot of your points. I think where we slightly differ is that I'm a bit more focused on what we can do to make the situation better, if it's only slightly. Making sex and ONS even slightly safer is an improvement. I truly don't think most men want to rape a woman, or even pressure her into sex. I don't think most men are that desperate. So education about consent and how it is possible for a woman to not speak up for whatever reason (reflex or not) goes a long way. If more …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/16 10:57 PM
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I was thinking about adding cops in, but in light of the last several years I just can't. Why not? Because they shoot people impulsively? TRP's version of alpha isn't all peaches and sunshine. The impulsivity, over aggression and disregard for consequences is the flip side of it. Anyway, I think professions like cops and firefighters tends to draw those people so it would lead to a higher than average percent of those kinds of people there, but soldiers, not so much. Soldiers tend to be comprise…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/16 12:50 PM
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Vaginal tissues are pretty soft and tearable, especially when not lubricated.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/16 12:29 PM
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LMR is really not common enough to deserve a name and I would urge most men to avoid women who put up LMR, or at least, give them a choice regardless, for the reasons I outlied in my main post. That sounds like a girl who may have doubts about it after the fact, which is what you want to avoid, or at least pacify her by making it her decision rather than your's. Also I've heard it said plenty of times outside of the pillsphere that "no" often times means "try harder. This resembles more of a sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/16 12:28 PM
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Good analysis, but then to really understand the risk of a false rape accusation, we would also need good statistics of how many rapes or perceived rapes go unreported. I think I saw a stat somewhere that 80% of rapes went unreported? And another said 60%.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/16 03:49 AM
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A: A balance. I've generally found that people who are too independent, especially from a young age, wind up growing up to be immature and self-centered. Taking on the responsibility of doing right by your elders generally makes people more grounded, which is a good thing. Likewise, respecting your elders should have a limit; at some point, it IS your life you are living and you have to do right by yourself. B. Self-reliance. Obedience is meaningless without self-reliance. At some point, whateve…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/16 03:10 AM
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I think the only difference between female SJW and the neckbeard man is neckbeard man is a more commonly agreed upon archetype on Reddit, so immediately seeing it most people know what you're referring to. It's become a specific running joke - the fedora, the 'm'lady' part...etc The ultrafeminist SJW doesn't quite have as specific of a archetype as that yet, so you'd get more mixed responses. But honestly, you'd be surprised. I doubt it get taken down and you'd probably find a lot of people who …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/16 03:02 AM
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No, I would not blame them but I would encourage addressing the possibility reasonably. There is a risk, but it's smart to know just exactly what the risk is, and exactly how it can be avoided, rather than just believing it's going to happen to you and you can't do anything about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/16 02:53 AM
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I think you need to spend some time differentiating between infatuation and good potential partner. You're going to get infatuated by a lot of people, not all of them are going to make good partners. The girl you described doesn't sound like she should be anywhere near a relationship right now,and if she had said yes, your relationship would have been shit. I would say you need to back off from your friendship until you have no feelings or until you find a new person to infatute about. TRP would…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/16 03:00 PM
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I think there's a little misunderstanding of the intent of the law here. The existence of a dating relationship between the persons involved, or the fact of past sexual relations between them, should never by itself be assumed to be an indicator of consent. This basically means just because you fucked someone once doesn't mean you are entitled to fuck them again. Think of a FWB situation. You had sex a week ago, and now you're hanging out again. This doesn't mean you can suddenly grab the other …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/16 02:44 PM
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The flip side is that you have men who need it to be explained to them, repeatedly and through laws, that when a woman says no that she doesn't actually want sex. The incapability of taking responsibility in adult situations goes both ways here. Most men however know to stop when a woman says no and most women know to say no.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/16 02:35 PM
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Whenever a female friend rejects me, I tell her off then cut her off. If someone were to actually do this I would recommend to them to try actually asking for what they want from the start. Saves both people the frustration. Blaming someone else for your inability to ask for what you want and getting angry when they didn't read your mind and their existence isn't solely to please your wishes is a hallmark of a shitty, immature person, whether they are a man or woman. And yeah, shitty or immature…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/16 01:02 AM
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See subreddits like /r/NiceGuys Nice Guys aren't beta males. And likewise, I don't think women hate Nice Guys, I think they hate what Nice Guys do to them. That subreddit isn't complaining about their existence, it's complaining about shit they did. why is it okay to virgin shame, You're jumping all over the place. How did this suddenly turn into virgin shaming? How is complaining about creepy/weird things Nice Guys do (such as sending a 10 text rant calling a woman a cunt just because she turne…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/16 12:58 AM
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None of them are sexual assault.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/16 01:24 PM
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Why do people support Trump? There's a lot of people that are maybe not disadvantaged, but are not happy with where they are in life, and they are being told to blame certain things that really aren't responsible for their situation. Complaining about Mexicans and such keeps them distracted by thinking they found a solution to their problems while the governments and corporations continue to legally rob the populace through shady politics. Then you just have your inflexible people who are just r…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/16 01:22 PM
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Or maybe liberalism is simply a reflection of more education.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/16 01:20 PM
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Yes, but not as a constant. People are everchanging, always adjusting to things, and going through different environment and stresses. Therefore to expect that you will always be MADLY IN LOVE <333 with your partner is naive. There will be times your partner will annoy you, there will be times your partner will pick up a new hobby and slightly drift and vice versa, there will be times when both of you are too stressed out to romance the other. The key is to not bail just because things aren't li…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/16 02:45 AM
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are BOTH parties required to obtain affirmative consent from the other, or are men singled out? I think it's the party doing the propositioning, which culturally usually happens to be men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/16 02:35 AM
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Revenge porn isn't the same as just recording your sexual encounters. It's when someone actually uses the recording as blackmail/harassment against someone else. They get this from women themselves who straight up say asking spoils the mood. This is no way representative the majority of women in the majority of situations. And even if it was, it doesn't mean mood can't be quickly restored. I can't imagine a situation where simply saying, "you up for this?" kills the mood to the extent where a wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/16 02:31 AM
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I feel that you should probably stick to talking about things you could actually conceive, and not things that you've never even felt let alone could understand. You do not know what generates 'visceral attraction' in a woman. It would be wiser for you to just stick to interpersonal dynamics.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/16 05:03 PM
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Lets look at type of guy young women sleep with when they are in their fuck around life stage. Douchebags, drug dealers, and dudes who are shitlords. I know how people work. Yeah, ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/16 05:02 PM
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Are you a woman? I just presumed you were a man, but correct me if I'm wrong. If you're not a woman, how do you know the feelings of women? I mean, TRP generally doesn't like it when women even offer advice to men because they feel women could not understand the male perspective, but we're going even beyond that to non-visible biological sensations. How do you feel qualified discussing female body sensations having never been in a female body? And a "I see the results! Being nice didn't get me l…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 03:15 PM
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We're both basing our views on what we've seen/experienced/feel. We just reached different conclusions. This post is just dismissive diatribe as an attempt to cram your stance on a 'more correct' platform. It doesn't make up for lack of convincing logic or argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 02:54 PM
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1 - But I see things like settling for well below your standards. Not enjoying the company of a particularly bitchy entitled woman but still spending time with her in the hopes of getting laid. Having things you told yourself you would never do, but doing it anyway, again, in the hopes of getting laid. Pussy is still on the pedestal here. Now you just approach it more assertively, and have more success, but that's independent of pussy still having a lot of power over you. 2 - I haven't heard the…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 02:51 PM
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I disagree, I believe it generates attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 02:28 PM
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No it doesn't. Niceness does not generate attraction. Disagree. It has to do with two separate and distinct suites of personal traits. Comfort has nothing to do with sexual attraction. Strong disagree. This is a fundamental lack of understanding of how people work. Even if you define comfort and attraction as two separate entities, there is a lot of overlap between the two. Comfort and emotional intimacy increase sexual intimacy. t did, then women would be marrying these nice men who are their g…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 02:27 PM
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1 - You don't need to worship women in any form to have successful sex/relationships with them. The worshiping usually stems from having an external validation system for self worth. Many of men prior to TRP felt pathetic. The way in which they try to erase that feeling is to use the number of women they can lay as proof that they cannot be pathetic. Implementing an internal self validating system here would go further than the temporary feeling of self worth that occurs after every lay. 2 - It'…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 02:18 PM
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No, niceness is a quality that generates a net positive of attraction in a person. It's not just a comfort issue. But even if we go with your comfort logic, comfort is a positive feeling to possess, therefore people who can generate that feeling in others are more valuable than the ones that can't, therefore their attraction is increased. Women would be more drawn to nice people.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 02:08 PM
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Actually if Beta Bob kept encountering shitty women, I'd tell him to sit down and analyze why that might be. Where does he meet women? How is he meeting women? What red flags is he ignoring? 9/10 the issue is they saw red flags but were too desperate to walk away. As opposed to TRP who, after 1-2 bad experience would conclude that all women are awful and you are doomed to learning how to deal with their shittyness in a self-shielding way. That's the complaint people have of TRP's generalization.…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 04:05 AM
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Idk if I'm truly BP, but here are my two biggest disagreements with RP: Niceness is an unattractive trait. No, being nice is an attractive trait. Being a pushover is not. There's a difference. However, being nice is not the only attractive trait. If the only thing you have going for you is that you're nice, you're competing with about 60-70% of other people who are also nice. You when you're below average in everything else. The extent to which TRP reduces us to 'animals.' I don't disagree our b…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 04:01 AM
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Idk. Every woman I knew who looked like her did not have an easy romantic life. And we're not even covering her behavior. Seriously, even if you did find a guy who is into big girls, you don't think a few minutes of that would make him bolt in the other direction? It's not like fat women are uncommon.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 03:48 AM
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1 - TRP teaches men to take pussy off the pedestal. Proceeds to promote dedicating entire life to pursuit of pussy at the expense of morals, standards, pride, etc. Pussy was never taken off the pedestal, it's just worshipped differently. 2 - Men's attractiveness is acquired, and is comprised of non-physical traits and how he carries himself. Yet, men being called creepy is only a reflection of how physically good looking he is. Men are judged by their looks only when they're rejected? Sounds lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 03:42 AM
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Craigslist are full of women like her. Yeah, because going to a bar isn't working. I'm sure there are desperate men and people who are into fat chicks but there aren't that many of either, which then begs the question is she good at finding these kinds of men? (shrug) And what does she have to offer that tons of other fat women could offer that niche market? She's not facially pretty either. Either way, I hiiighly doubt her sex life is 'relatively easy.' Is it possible for her to get laid? Sure,…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 03:29 AM
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I would say even she has a [relatively] easy time getting laid No way. Women like that generally speaking wind up writing Twilight fanfiction to make up for their lack of romantic life.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 03:21 AM
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Just out of curiosity, are you RP or BP?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 02:39 PM
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Why not? I believe knowing you have options is a good way to allow yourself the confidence to assert yourself when needed. Thinking your current boyfriend or girlfriend is the only person in the world who will ever love you is a quick way to codependency. Now constantly thinking about how you can find other people in a relationship doesn't sound like a good relationship, but I would venture to say the vast majority of people in healthy relationships know they could find someone else if they had …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 02:39 PM
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It's absurd but on here, some stuff like that actually needs to be spelled out for some people.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 06:24 AM
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Analytical problem solving and a functional intuition create completely incompatible mental states. They cancel each other out I disagree with this premise. They are both useful problem solving techniques that we possess through our specially evolved mental capacity. Functional intuition saves time and prevents analysis paralysis, and serves to step in when not enough information is available. Analytical problem solving allows for a deeper assessment of the situation and forming hypotheses/expec…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 06:19 AM
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Why couldn't he get laid, then? I've said this like 3 times now. Because he had severe mental issues and couldn't/didn't know how to properly interact with others. In fact, that's what others who knew him said. Your logic is circular. It reinforces itself. The conclusion is supported by the premise which is supported by the conclusion. It makes no sense. Do you have any other actual supporting evidence for your stance? As we have it, I gave you evidence of someone the general public has acknowle…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 06:12 AM
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What? We're talking about men venting on the internet. If you base how all men feel based on what you read about the internet, you're going to get a warped impression because men who are happy aren't going to be venting because they have no motivation to. Only upset men are going to be venting.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 02:38 AM
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He was not good-looking. Might be according to you, not according to most people. Girls never gave him a chance. He was an incel, no girl in the world saw him as a man. Because he had severe mental issues and no social skills. I have never seen a man who was a 10/10 or close to it be called a creep A 10/10 man with no mental issues would rarely be so unsocialized that they would be called creeps. Like I said, people who are good looking get more opportunities to develop and expand their social s…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 02:34 AM
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Can you define what you're doing that you think might be 'too nice?' Pushover traits are not attractive but they're also not the same as being nice, even though a lot of people confuse the two. If you have pushover traits and want to get rid of them, try /r/socialskills or read "No More Mr. Nice Guy." If you're not a pushover and have no problem being assertive when needed, but find you're not getting any results despite being nice, then either a) you're actually not that nice, you're probably n…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/16 02:00 AM
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they are too afraid of rocking the boat. We're talking about anonymous posting on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/16 01:54 AM
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If he was good-looking he wouldn't have died a virgin. That's circular logic. He was good looking and he died a virgin because the original premise that only being good looking matters is incorrect. Creepy is more about behavior than looks. I think the refusal to admit this is people who have been called creeps would rather believe it's about looks and therefore 'out of their control' than knowing they do have control over it and still suck at it. It's completely understandable but completely wr…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/16 01:52 AM
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I just remember when that went down, people were raving about how good looking he was, and how they don't understand why he couldn't get laid. If he were better looking, it probably would have still happened because he had serious conditions and his behavior and social interaction was way abnormal.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/16 03:28 PM
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So then it goes back to what I was saying, look at the overall person and see if they have characteristics that make them a good partner. I don't know how valid that research is, but even assuming it's true, it does not mean that all promiscuous people have less v/o receptors (in fact, that sounds like a condition, and kind of rare). Likewise, I am sure they demonstrate their inability to pair bond in other ways as well. If you really want to ensure you're getting yourself a good partner, look a…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/16 03:26 PM
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I saw the gif. Yes, a creepy man can be physically attractive. I'm not sure what else to say, it's like saying the sky is blue. TRP itself says that a man's attractiveness depends on more than his looks so how is it that his personality and behavior cannot be so off-putting that it discounts his physical attraction? Or do you believe TRP is wrong on that notion? I don't really understand this notion that if you're physically attractive you can do whatever. I think the confusion comes from this b…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/16 09:09 AM
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No. The idea of having sex and inability to 'pair bond' is one generated by TRP, not any other actual mechanism. If you believe that, can you actually depict the psychological/neurological/sociological/whatever mechanism at play and describe it? Even in theory it doesn't sound plausible, let alone what we actually observe in reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/16 08:59 AM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/16 08:57 AM
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And there's plenty of men that don't and wouldn't be posting on the internet because they have no reason to. I think that's what the person above you is trying to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/16 03:35 AM
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There really is no reason why it would make her a bad LTR on its own. So if you have met an otherwise great girl, you would be doing yourself a disservice to focus on primarily her partner count and not all of her other attributes. What makes a good partner is good partner traits. As long as a person has them, they will make a good partner. Also, as much as some people refuse to accept it, we live in times where there are severe side effects to getting married young. Young marriages have higher …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/16 03:32 AM
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Ok? We are talking about creep shaming. Creep shaming is insanely prevalent in places like Japan due to very strict social standards imposed on people. To the point where suicide over being bullied, isolated and teased is common. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shame_society http://wilsonquarterly.com/stories/the-mystery-behind-japans-high-suicide-rates-among-kids/ I honestly don't know what your post has to do with anything that we're talking about in this thread. I don't know about you, but I'd …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/16 03:21 AM
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Women are criticized purely for wanting sex and engaging it. They are called sluts, that there's something wrong with them, that they can never be good partners, etc. Some people have the expectation of women to be passive when it comes to sex and hold the belief that women naturally don't want sex that much, so women who do want sex to them are 'broken.'
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/16 04:16 PM
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Well technically in no feminist countries like Japan or China you don't really have creep shamming. In Japan and China you most definitely have creep shaming, and it's way worse than in places like America. You're talking about a country (Japan) that is infamous for its high suicide rate that stems from social pressures to fit in, and which is notorious for having little room for individualism, where bullying is a serious problem that persists at the university level, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/16 03:59 PM
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For people who are desperate to get laid, it's easy to equate rejection to absolute hatred. In their tunnel vision, the goal is to get laid and if a woman prevents that goal, she must want him to feel negative feelings. But the reality is, most women feel indifferent to unattractive men. And a 'creepy' man can be physically attractive or unattractive, but his behavior makes him unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/16 03:55 PM
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"Common sense" means "things that make sense to me" Common sense, by definition, means things that make sense to the majority of people. Thus the word 'common' in the phrase. People misusing the term does not mean there aren't social norms in our society.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/16 03:24 PM
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Men are human however and rejection doesn't tend to feel nice for anyone. So if a man who was politely rejected handles rejection badly, and starts freaking out or insulting the woman he was just approaching, what is your opinion of that? Is that not harassing/disruptive? I don't think there's anything wrong with male sexuality or men approaching women and stating their interest, but I also don't think that absolves men of all responsibility. If you want to approach any woman, any where, you als…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/16 02:40 PM
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"Do it because everyone else does" isn't a very strong argument. That's not the right interpretation of what I meant. Especially if you don't like the norm and there isn't a compelling reason to adhere to it. Not alienating the majority of the dating pool is a compelling reason to most. Not introducing conflict where it's not necessary is another. Maintaining an existing positive relationship is a third. You're talking the receipt thing ultra literally. Fine. Pick anything that, in your backgrou…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/16 05:31 AM
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To use your business example, someone asking you all those things would most likely be a headache. However, we're not talking about the equivalent of wanting to be paid up front, or unreasonable requests. We would be talking about a business relationship where they, for example, expect you to provide receipts for expenses. Which is pretty much the standard in all business relationships. Now let's flip it. You're entering a business relationship with someone, they ask you to provide receipts for …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/16 03:49 AM
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Arbitrary expectations that are in opposition to the well-being and happiness of a man. For example: the expectation that a man has to be ready to fight at a drop of the hat. That just seems stupid and a good way to wind up shot or shanked. And that it's somehow wrong to walk away from a situation where your life might be in question.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/16 03:38 AM
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It's not that kind of decision. If I perceived such a minuscule ordinary thing as becoming a wimp, I would, I don't know, deal with the deeply rooted issues present in my self-esteem? And it's not insecure because you don't choose to hold the purse, but because you feel that such a minuscule event is an attack on your entire manhood. Like, how weak is your sense of worth that it can be shot down that easily? Do you have nothing else to rest on, and assure yourself that you're still a worthy man,…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/16 03:32 AM
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Not sure how you're comparing this to slavery. The equivalent would be is it acceptable to wear underwear in public. Since majority says no, you'd look weird doing it yourself. But you're right, what should actually be looked at is the motivation for the request. But since some people are terrible at reading others, comparing yourself to the majority comes in handy. If there's a discrepancy you can investigate further. People have a hard time admitting their faults and insecurities and they need…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 08:59 PM
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It's not. Shit testing is decided by the majority. If you start arbitrarily deciding what is and isn't a shit test you start risking confirming your own insecurities. Idk, until you don't feel like it anymore. If you set your boundaries and she violates them, why stick around? If she never reciprocates, go find another woman who will. Being proud and assertive doesnt mean micromanage every interaction...it's knowing when to walk away and having the strength to do it. You master that and I guaran…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 07:52 PM
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Didn't say they did? I'm stating what I believe. Ok, well from my perspective, my advice is chill. And when you are actually presented with a real shit test, then place your boundaries. If a woman asks you to hold her pursue, do it. If youre starting to notice her demands increase and there's no reciprocation, point it out and pull back, or leave. Less drama and way more mature to handle it that way. Plus you don't turn off a good portion of women which increases your dating pool.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 07:43 PM
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No, you're not paying attention. Good rule of thumb is to ask yourself how the vast majority of people feel about something. Vast majority of people don't think a blank wall has multiple meanings? Problem is probably you. Vast majority of people don't think asking to hold something is a multilayered attack? Problem is probably you. Since the definition of insecure is people who are so worried about something that they start seeing threats in innocent actions (as determined by the majority), thos…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 07:40 PM
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And so is a blank wall if I have paranoid schizophrenia. Mental states/emotional states affect perception.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 07:29 PM
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There's a difference between turning something down and turning something down because you feel it's an attack on you self worth and masculinity, even it's a purely innocent minor request. Insecure people see threats in things that aren't threats. Turning something down because you don't want to do it? Different. Although lol at attempting to have a relationship where you don't even feel like occasionally holding stuff. That's not going to last long.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 07:17 PM
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A man taking a simple request as an attack on his entire self worth and calling into his question his entire masculinity, however, is. It's not, "I don't want to do it." It's, "I don't want to do it becuse I'm worried that makes me your bitch." There's nothing about being asked to hold a wallet or purse that inherently is the same as being asked to be a bitch. That connection is made because of insecurities. By definition, that's what insecure is and what insecure people do.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 07:13 PM
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Regsrdless of whether or not you believe in them, it's not a shit test. I believe in a similar thing, a testing of boundaries, but TRPs notion of shit test is too simplistic and I believe both genders do it. I think a request is simply a request. I think if you read more into it, you do yourself a disservice.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 07:02 PM
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I'm not "shaming" men who disagree with me. I am calling behaviors that fall under the universal definition of insecure actions as insecure. If you engage in such behavior, and feel ashamed, that's not my problem, but it's not because you disagree with me. I gave you my reasoning, so debate was welcome. TRP sets specifics on what defines a high value man. You can't arbitrarily redefine it to suit yourself and give yourself shortcuts. TRP has no problems calling non alphas losers, or betas by the…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 06:59 PM
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Since when do RPers care about shaming?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 06:44 PM
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I don't think you understand what shaming is, nor do I care if it's shaming or not. His behavior says he's neurotic. And I don't think TRP even recommends making a big deal of purses being held. I think that's how clueless people misinterpret good TRP advice of standing up for yourself and not being a pushover.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 06:43 PM
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Insecure men are insecure. I call an apple an apple. You want to act insecure but then not be called so? Do what I want? I don't care what you do. Most men don't have major relationship power battles over holding a purse. Your actions have no bearing on my life, I was offering advice that might help improve your's. I offered a much more reasonable alternative that helps men achieve what they want without eliminating 90% of the dating pool. All it requires is letting go of some fears and relaxing…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 06:14 PM
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This is truly comical.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 05:56 PM
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Disagree on first part. Not that it's important, as I expanded on it. What you're describing isn't preventative maintanance. It's micromanaging and overreacting. They are losers. Just not because of how they treat women. Here's a personal example for you. The other day I was clothes shopping with my bf. I asked him to hold my stuff while I dug around for a shit in my size. Then I took my stuff back. It was a complete non issue. If I were to do something shitty to him, he's strong enough to call …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 05:53 PM
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No, it's just purse holding while they do something that requires free hands. It only becomes more when you start tying it into bigger things like your worth as a person. And that fragility reflects on you negatively.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 05:11 PM
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By turning down a simple request because you overblown it and tie it into your self worth, you've made it a big deal. Asking to hold something is not at all like buying a drink. It's passive, doesn't involve a sacrifice of resources and everyone does it, men and women. But you keep going back to this mentality that if you start doing things for a woman it leads to a bad relationship. That's because your fear of that happening governs your thought process. You do realize the most submissive relat…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 05:05 PM
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Asking to hold something is not an unreasonable request. You keep going back to preventing ungrateful relationships, but that's not how you do it. There's a time and a place for those battles. Doing it with purse holding is ridiculous and will only turn you off to the majority of women. And that kind of behavior stems from fear of winding up in a relationship like you said and not having the self assurance to know you can prevent it when actually needed. Its letting that fear and insecurity rule…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 04:28 PM
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Why does that confusion exist? I don't know. Natural personality variations that force people to see the world in a really warped way? What was once basic kindness becomes an expectation, and what once was a bit of a favor to ask is now "basic kindness." And that relationship can be prevented without eliminating 'basic kindness.' In fact, you can't have a decent relationship without basic kindness. Or hell, even doing favors. What makes relationships good isn't that nothing is ever expected of y…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 03:39 PM
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Ok, well, good luck with that. With your response, she probably will go watch her purse by herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 03:09 PM
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No. Being asked to hold a purse means that woman doesn't see me as a man; she sees me as something she can use No. It means, she's worried about her purse falling into the toilet/floor or being stolen. This entire exchange does nothing to offset the stereotype that RP-ers are socially clueless and misinterpret advice. Both BP and TRP encourage standing up for yourself. Slightly different ways of delivering it, but it's good advice. But what they're referring to is when your girl tells you, "Oh t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 03:00 PM
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Then you are going to portray a personality of a person who is incredibly high-strung and so insecure about his masculinity and self worth that minor neutral things are an issue, and this will not be in your favor, although it might feel good sticking it to the woman! Women wanted equality - they can reach their own high up things and move their own heavy things. Or they will more simply and more beneficially return the favor by doing the equivalent of moving a heavy thing. I work for a big corp…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 02:40 PM
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It's not hypersensitivity or paranoia. It's that I don't want to be viewed as an appliance; something a woman uses for her benefit. If you think asking to hold a pursue is a person seeing you as an appliance, you are hypersensitive and paranoid.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 02:36 PM
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Mandatory paternity tests before a name goes on the birth certificate would solve this problem. If you are the father, you are responsible for the kid. If you are not the father and don't sign the certificate, you are not responsible for the kid. If you're not the father and you know it and you sign the certificate, you don't get to change your mind later. It would be like adoption.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 02:20 PM
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I believe paternity fraud should be illegal. I think it should be civil punishment, simply because you'd have a hard time convincing any government to stick a child's only remaining parent in jail. Morally, she might deserve it, but I don't see any practical way of accomplishing that and it does further screw the other victim in the situation. I think if you set a precedent where the man could sue for money that he spent on a child that wasn't his, it would be enough to deter women from doing th…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 02:15 PM
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don't think its just "most people drawn to Red Pill" that have issues with reading comprehension, You're talking about people who, beforehand, were absolutely clueless when it came to people, clueless with any advice they were given, and some could even register on the socially retarded scale. If they were so adept at understanding the meaning in words or text or people, they wouldn't need TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 02:10 PM
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Google "how to be more attractive to women" or "how to get your shit together" Hundreds of results Why shun someone for using it positively Because it demonstrates that this person needed that generic advice processed and spoon-fed in such a way that shields his ego before he'd actually do something about it. Meaning he's still missing a big part of what he needs to work on. Simultaneously, TRP perpetuates pseudoscience and a conflict-driven dichotomous view of the world that demonizes women but…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 02:06 PM
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Do you think it happens that certain women DO use this as some kind of test to see if her man can be whipped? What does it matter that some women might do it? I thought TRP was generally concerned about what most women WILL do, because it yields more practical advice. The kind of woman who is so manipulative that even asking to hold a purse is a shit test will have already demonstrated her personality in more obvious and more noticeable ways. So it still makes no sense to operate on a presumptio…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 01:55 PM
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Whether you believe in shit tests or not, I don't believe asking to hold a purse is a shit test. I think only overly sensitive and paranoid men who are so preoccupied with establishing they are 'alpha' are concerned about such minuscule aspects of behavior. But if you really want to be attractive, you got to have some chill. But have you dated a woman as a man? Why does this matter? Have you been a woman dating a man? How do you know what the motivation is for asking to hold a purse without bein…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 01:48 PM
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There's a difference between being a doormat and being nice, or hell, even decent to someone. I don't know why there's so much confusion over this, and why little things like holding a purse are drawn into some weird power battle. I ask anybody I know to hold my purse/wallet...partner, coworker, friend. And likewise, I hold their purse wallet when they need it. It's not a big deal. If a guy told me "I'm not that kind of guy," to such a simple request I'd think 1) he's kind of an asshole and 2) h…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 06:31 AM
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Except now you're comparing different things. I don't know what you mean. I've been saying the same thing since the start. To different people, different things create different amounts of pain. The only generalization you can take away from this is that the vast majority of people will experience some form of devestation in their life. For the same exact shitty event I mean, in theory, you would be correct, but that argument has no practical purpose nor has anything to do with with what I was s…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 07:31 PM
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No. Because that doesn't make any sense. That's a self-centered way of looking at things. Both have the same shitty element, one has additional betrayal. It's not about elements. It's about magnitude of pain. Someone's loss can hurt more than someone else's betrayal. That's like asking if I can agree that sometimes 4 is greater than 4+1. If someone's pain is a 7, another's is 4 + an additional 1 for betrayal, that's still less than 7.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 05:50 PM
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Yes, I an acknowledge that. Can you acknowledge that sometimes life circumstances outside of anyone's control might be more painful and harder to deal with than betrayal by a loved one to certain people? Not everyone's idea of the worst thing ever is their spouse lying to them. And it's not wrong either to think either way, it just depends on the person and what they value in their life.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 04:55 PM
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You showed my analogy 'failing' by dismissing other people's plights as not a big deal. You downplaying other people's suffering isn't my argument failing, it's you overrating a single problem at the expense of others. You can read the comment chain I had with another user because I already covered this. These are ALL huge trials in life and you don't get to decide which person's trial is just "shit happens" and which one matters, because people handle circumstances differently. And for that mat…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 03:02 PM
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This is the only good rebuttal of OP's post in my opinion. Men who can get 8's (and therefore are 8's) might be willing to sleep with 4's while the reverse might not occur (I am not saying this is true, but it might be true). This would allow women to have more opportunities for sex with an attractive partner than a man. However, the incel claim that men who are 5's have to settle for 2's indicates they were never 5's to begin with. If you cannot get the woman of similar value as you think you a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 02:57 PM
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Wouldn't that be true for men too? A man who is 1-2 and acknowledges it most likely won't be out in clubs or bars hitting on women because there's a 99% chance he's going to get rejected. And if he's not out there asking women out, then he's pretty much out of the pool.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 01:58 PM
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The easy way out is MGTOW, not TRP MGTOW is the easiest, but that doesn't change what I said about TRP real life interactions based on guts/instincts are black and white for even the most open minded people. Strongly disagree. Most real life interactions and most people operate on a case by case basis. They may make initial judgements that are black and white but they are still flexible enough to go into a gray space after interacting with someone. The problem is, TRP not only does not teach som…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 01:43 PM
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I mean, anyone can say they hold self accountability highly. Doing it is another. And to be fair, they hold themselves accountable to TRP standards but the problem I'm pointing out is that TRP standards aren't actually that accountable in the first place. Most notably, lifting heavy weights, approaching random girls during the day, grinding hard on your career, all of these are definitely not "easy" yet are the basics of what TRP recommends. And all of this is generic non-RP advice. Which begs t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 06:18 AM
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What does that mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 03:51 AM
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But you're equating female virgins with female incels. There's female virgins and female incels just as there are male virgins and male incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 02:15 AM
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I would agree and would support default process to include paternity testing for birth certificate purposes, except in cases where the parents waive it. But once your name is on the birth certificate, you are the father. I think that would be the most fair system.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 02:10 AM
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I agree with you that TRP is appealing for the reasons you mentioned, but here's the problem: it basically confirms and allows for those beta/losers/incels to take the easy way. If your root problem is that you are absolutely clueless as to how people work, replacing that with generalized absolutes and forcing every social interaction to fit into one of those two sides doesn't take you anywhere in terms of understanding the grey areas of human interaction any better. With TRP, everything is blac…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 01:32 AM
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That's incredibly dismissive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 01:13 AM
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Well that's a classic case of "problems that might affect me are the most important." Let's say you are 29, all your years of med school or law school or whatever have paid off, you're finally about to get paid, buy a house, enjoy life, etc. Bam, you find out you got AIDS, back in the day before it was treatable because your partner never told you they might have it. Not as devestating? Let's say you're a parent of two lovely kids with a lovely wife. You're happy, working hard for your family wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 01:13 AM
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Indeed, but like I said, in your context it is not the situation doing that to him, it's him and how he handles difficult situations. I just see a lot of these kinds of examples/situations used to absolve the responsibility of people doing shitty things. If it was a unique and exceptionally brutal circumstance, then maybe a guy going on a shooting spree would be understandable, but devastating life events are universal. Since the vast majority of people don't handle life devastations that way, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 01:59 PM
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I don't care. As long as I have a private stall, I don't care who else is in the bathroom, whether they be a man, transgender, whatever. The only reason I appreciate gendered bathrooms is because guys' bathrooms tend to be a lot dirtier than women's.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 01:50 PM
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Finding out your child is not your own is absolutely devastating, but so are a lot of other things in life: death, being uprooted/forced out of your house, finding out you have untreatable diseases, having your actual biological children get murdered/killed, etc. If someone takes a gun to other people that's a mark of his personality, not his situation. Billions of people deal with equally devastating circumstances without going on a shooting spree. Life is sometimes unbearably unfair and hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 01:46 PM
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It usually happens with the pregnancy being accidental. The woman cheats for sex/attention, but then happens to get pregnant and doesn't want to jeopardize an existing relationship for whatever reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 01:41 PM
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Of course he deserves to know the truth. Edit: also if instead it's a hospital error leading to a woman raising a kid that isn't hers does that change the situation? To me, it's hard to equate the situation because 1) a hospital isn't your partner. I feel like a partner has greater responsibility to be honest about these things. And 2) Usually by the time the hospital finds out there's been a mistake, these kids are older. How do you undo years and years of bonding? At least with the baby not be…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 01:38 PM
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I would say not just raised in traditional values, but perhaps more suited to it by their nature or personality. Or people who are suited to neither but believe they would be better off in traditional times because they haven't had the opportunity to experience rejection in that time period.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/16 01:11 AM
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Stop saying that a man can be short and be still attractive No. I don't agree with you so I will keep saying that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/16 01:04 AM
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The whole point of talking about other attractive traits is to illustrate that height is ONE trait out of MANY that make up an overall PACKAGE. Not that you will be attractive even if you're short which is what seems like you took away from it. If you're ugly and you're short, well your best bet is to have a good personality or you're shit out of luck. Life's unfair. But there's people, like the OP of this thread, who are acting like being short is a death sentence. No it is not. There's also pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/16 01:04 AM
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Seriously? Unless you live in an area where everyone is 7 feet tall, you're talking about a couple of inches. If you are 5'10 and being "dwarfed" by other men, it's not because of your height.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/16 12:55 AM
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Yes. Muscular men on average are considered more attractive by the average woman. There's a reason why male strip shows, for example, feature muscular men. any truth to the Red Pill's assertion that lifting will getcha laid? While TRP does push for lifting, it's not like this is a uniquely RP concept. In fact, literally Google anywhere on how to be more attractive to women and it will tell you to work out/lift weights/get fit or some version thereof.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 05:56 AM
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you still need to stand out somehow. It's not a matter of "standing out" so much as I having other attractive traits. Which references what I've been saying all along, which is that height is NOT the only measure of attractiveness. It is one thing. If height was as important as you are saying it is, there is nothing that would be able to compensate for it. And you do not need celebrity level social proof, but I was referencing celebrities that happen to be short that are also considered attracti…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 05:52 AM
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I would argue the short man would be the likeliest to get laid in your scenario. An autistic man would have trouble holding a conversation and would violate social norms and make the other party feel uncomfortable. Hookups weigh physical attraction heavily but not exclusively. And a short man has 1 negative physical characteristic but could still be decently physically attractive if he has a nice face, is well groomed, and is fit. How many women swooned over Sisqo and he's like 5'4. He was pract…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 03:24 AM
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Well then either you're delusional or the short men you are referring to are not up to par in other characteristics despite claiming otherwise. If you truly think that being 5'5 makes your dating life as bad as being autistic or severely disfigured and prevents you from ever finding love, then I don't know what can be said to you. If you want to wallow in a pool of misery, feel free, but there's really no need for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 03:10 AM
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However, if we were to remove any inkling of "motivation" from AWALT behaviors, we would all be OK with it? No, it's moreso that those conclusions were drawn with certain motivations in the first place, which, without the use of concrete methodology, are often not accurate. They can be, but frequently, they are not. For example, a certain characteristics of women that is part of "AWALT" might not have been made as a deduction of female behavior but rather the personal experiences of that individ…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 02:36 AM
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Very well said. I would only like to add, that while comparing humans to other animals is sometimes indicated, there does need to be an understanding that as a species, we are also unique in many ways. The way we've adapted to pressures of life is sometimes very different from the way other animals did. Most prominently is the presence of our frontal lobe that lets us decipher, predict, and plan around our environment in unfathomable ways compared to other species. I don't like TRP's dismissal o…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 02:32 AM
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I would say it's a lot more likely for a 5'5 man to find mutual love than it is to win the lottery, with a lot less to lose. People get in this weird mind warp where they've been rejected a few times and think that's it. It's hopeless. I feel like everybody with body insecurities should spend one day people watching at a local mall. You'll quickly find that there's some butt ugly men and women with decent looking partners. A 5'5 man may not be getting any models but will he be able to find a 7, …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 02:26 AM
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Well, ok then. I'll discuss your analogy. It sucks and adds no value to understanding social interactions.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 02:17 AM
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Shortness is one trait. It counts against you, but it hardly defines you entirely. A short man who is well groomed, uses clothes to his advantage, has a pleasant personality and is fun to be around will still get women. Maybe not as much as if he was taller too, but welcome to life, where not everyone is a 10 and has to actually compensate. I disagree that shortness is such a turnoff that it would cause a man to fail to ever experience a mutually loving relationship. That's just defeatism that s…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 03:17 PM
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The "woman" in your example would be previous teams a good QB has played, or his WR's/RB's. You would not ask a WR what makes a good QB? Because he's the one that has to work with the QB. "When a QB does this it makes it a lot easier for me to make a play." Not really advice you could just dismiss. In your example, yeah sure, you would probably ask Tom Brady, but your example isn't really representative of the dynamic between men and women because it's too arbitrary.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 03:09 PM
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When a person speaks of a personal experience that seems to be unique and generalizes it to a rule of all social interactions, or simply says something that I know or is generally considered to be untrue, yeah, I ask for evidence. Because chances are, one of two things is happening: 1) There is no proof, this is a personal opinion being touted as rule, or 2) Some crappy pseudoscience claim got mixed in somehow. It's not meant to silence debate so much as make the other person reconsider their st…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 03:01 PM
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That's why I accused you of being an idealist. You're dealing with this stuff like it is an ideological problem, and that, if people changed their ideas about things, the problem would go away. Not at all. The true reality is that this process is well under way already. I am saying those who feel strong to criticize this process and attempt to hinder it are those who are stuck lamenting for previous times because they feel that were better than. And it's understandable too. If you're not a perso…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/16 06:42 PM
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You would take the good out of women's advocacy groups, the good of men's advocacy groups, and push for egalitarianism. This is part of the reason why I do not define as a feminist nor MRA, although I would argue I am sympathetic to both. Neither side ever has the time to stop and consider that the other might have a valid point. It's just two groups pointing the finger at the other blaming them for all of their problems. Diffusing sexism, I agree, is a huge undertaking and I don't think it can …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/16 06:27 PM
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I agree with this. A lot of the problem with people who become RP-ers, even before RP, is a lack of understanding of the 'grey area' of human interaction. And TRP further feeds into binary black/white view of people...maybe by redefining it but still there is a complete lack of focus on the grey area. And to me, I would ague that understanding the grey area is perhaps the most important thing you can achieve. Grey area varies a lot, and only 5% of people might fall into a particular shade of gre…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/16 06:19 PM
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Ask. Ask the giant resource that we have available to us nowadays where you can be anonymous and ask even the stupidest of questions. Deduce. You called a girl a whole bunch of times and she never answered. Consider her experience being at the receiving end of a barrage of calls from a guy she barely knows and how you might feel if the same happened to you. In fact, that is usually the root problem. A guy is so preoccupied with trying to secure a date or score that he doesn't take the time to co…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/16 06:05 PM
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But feminists would argue that women are more disadvantaged, and in some contexts, they would be right. Then comes the question of frequency. How frequently are women disadvantaged and how frequently do men lose their children? So the only way to deduce who is more disadvantaged is to consider every context and every probability and then calculate it. But doesn't that just do what TRP's often complain of feminists doing, starting the Opression Olympics? At the end of the day, both face serious p…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/16 05:58 PM
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Traditionalists and nostalgia go hand in hand. If you find that phrase to be "feminist," then I would venture to question do you believe that every single that is feminist is incorrect? And from personal experience, I would argue that a large portion of the problem for traditionalists is rigidity and unwillingness to be flexible, which would be a problem in any generation because no environment will bend to your will. You bend to it and use it to your advantage. If you don't know how to do that …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/16 05:52 PM
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Which do you feel is more disadvantaged? Also, what is the importance of the word 'equally?' Does it need to be equal to be a problem for both?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/16 05:31 PM
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The problem with this debate is that the other claims that both sides have it so well. Feminists claim that women are oppressed and men have a boost or benefit in everything or at least most things. RP-ers claim that women have a lot of luxuries that are not extended to men and get a lot of leeway. The reality is, sexism benefits and hurts both sexes, depending on the context. Women have shorter prison sentences for similar crimes, but they have a harder time being taken seriously in traditional…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/16 05:19 PM
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One: Observe average social customs. For example, calling a girl 30 minutes after you get her number, and proceeding to call her 5 times in an hour when you've just met her is probably not going to work out for you. It's amazing how many men need this spelled out for them. Two: Talk to women. Don't persue every single woman you 'might' have a shot at. You need to maintain some degree of standards and selectiveness otherwise you're going to keep encountering shitty women. Sometimes it's better to…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/16 05:10 PM
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If he loses that with most individuals There is nothing that indicates they have lost that with most individuals. The idealism is that people should be able to set their own priorities without suffering undue adverse consequences. Dad's don't need that stuff when they have love... That's not what I argued. These people exist, they already have set their priorities. I was just stating, based on their choices they value that more therefore to them, that probably matters a lot more than some dude o…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/16 04:57 PM
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Basically, Perhaps the most important one is the submit to man/man is the leader of the house....didn't have to [compromise] if he didn't want to since a man can make unilateral decisions and doesn't have to answer to anyone since it is 'his family and not your business. Are the two fundamental differences that explain why feminism arose in Western culture not Eastern. In Western culture, too much power was centered in a single person with no checks and balances. This worked out fine for a lot o…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/16 04:33 PM
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So why are there gender divisions then? Why so many female teachers and day care workers and the like? Preferences, residual gender role dichotomy, and some sexism in seeing women as too weak for some jobs and men as too emotionless for others. There is this belief that gender roles are only perpetuated by men. Women play an equal part in perpetuating them. People don't like change. This notion that men have always ruled over women with an iron fist while women were completely powerless even in …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/16 04:19 PM
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Women will want to fuck him and he'll have a standing in the community, just not with every individual. You're conflating the idea of idealism with that of priorities. More than likely, these stay at home dads chose to become so knowing the social repercussions that were going to be present, meaning they must value it more. Maybe he has the audacity to actually still want women to want to fuck him (I know, such a dirty, dirty shallow thing for a man to think about)? Not at all. But it is silly t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/16 04:15 PM
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General unhappiness is a big assertion. One could argue that people feel free for the first time to actually voice their dissatisfaction instead of just being expected to silently deal with it until their grave. That may give the impression that things are worse but in reality are not. Really, the only people truly dissatisfied with modern times are those who are fundamentally incompatible with it, and they will slowly shrink as with any social change. Likewise, the 50% divorce statistic only lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/16 09:44 PM
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Not to mention religious influence. This culture wasn't established purely for gender equality, that was just one of the subprinciples. It was a idealized religious community.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/16 09:12 PM
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Such ideal world does not, and cannot, exist. Why can it not? The world is already progressing towards that ideal. Today, women can be stay at home moms or have careers that were previously male-dominated. We are even seeing the emergence of stay at home dads for once, acknowledging that men too actually enjoy being around to raise their children.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/16 09:09 PM
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Don't take everything you read on the internet as word..."My wife left me even though I was so good to her :(," can easily be different if you were hearing the other side. Not to say some women aren't cruel bitches but because people have a natural tendency to play the victim, it's good to get actual numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/16 06:26 PM
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Even assuming high # counts are attractive, attracted =/= want to continue seeing/dating/fucking you. A lot of people wouldn't want to put in the effort if the tradeoff is having to feel insecure, when you can feel secure with someone else. That's a lot of negative emotional baggage to carry around.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/16 06:18 PM
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I don't think that's how it works. If someone has managed to sweep you off your feet, the deed is done, the feelings are there. The equivalent of your business owner example is that you hired somebody (not about to hire), they've been doing a great job, and then you find out they had minimal work experience before this job (not that they were a terrible trainwreck before...that equivalent to that is finding out a guy had 10 relationships he messed up before). You might be surprised because he's …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/16 06:15 PM
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There is discrimination though, by those who believe these differences are absolute rules that should govern the hiring process as opposed to looking at raw qualifications. And to be frank, when talking about modern culture and not the 60's or before, we're talking about career paths that don't have inherent gender differences. Either gender can be good at an office job or research or sales, etc. Even military careers have eliminated a good portion of the gender divide considering tech has repla…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/16 05:31 PM
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Gender roles are a socialized feature that is influenced by biological/physical differences. Men are bigger and stronger and typically can endure hard labor better than women. Likewise, babies typically need a mother around because she has milk, and by the time a baby can be raised entirely by the father, the mother usually has become used to it and knows how to take care of the children better. But, my question is, why does this debate matter at all? The ideal world isn't one where traditional …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/16 04:31 PM
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I don't reject SMP. I may not agree with the overly-simplified way that TRP considers it, but I do agree that there is value in people and that determines your opportunities to get laid. I don't reject hypergamy, but I do not believe it is the norm of women. I believe some people, men and women, are constantly trying to get a better mate. The driving mechanism for this is that they're too insecure/inexperienced to go for what they want in the first place so they build up towards it. I also belie…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/16 02:58 PM
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This is a great comment. It kind of mimics what I've always said...that a true "leader" or quality man is the kind of person who brings others up to their level, not walks on people. A lot of people however, confuse the two. What makes people value the trait of dominance is the things you said, not being an asshole. You can be a dominant asshole but you're still an asshole.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/16 02:45 PM
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Yeah but this analogy fails on the item it hinges on. Fish don't want to be caught, women do. The equivalent is saying a guy is as tall as a tree when he's not tall at all. If one thing is not at all the characteristic of the other thing you are comparing it to, the analogy is bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/16 04:01 AM
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Even presuming everything you said is true, it is still favorable for women to offer advice to men. Taking undesirable men and converting them into "adapt fisherman" further increases competition between fisherman and drives the overall ceiling of fisherman up. No matter if you look at it from a BP or a RP perspective, there's no logical reason why more quality fisherman is disadvantageous to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/16 03:58 AM
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Women only want to be 'caught' by a certain type of man. They tend to be highly selective about who they allow to catch them. True, but this does not discount the desire to create more suitable men. An overall larger selection of quality men is always a benefit. Would you rather choose an apple in a barrel of a bunch of rotten apples or a barrel of ripe freshly picked apples?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/16 03:40 AM
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If you haven't found that outside of TRP you're not looking hard enough. I just Googled "how to ask a woman out" and already on the front page there are multiple non-TRP step by step instructions and tips. But going back to women. Presumably, if someone wants more details, they can ask, "How do you do that?" and most people/women would elaborate. It's all in the questions you ask. If you ask vague questions you get vague answers. I don't agree with that at all. That's fair. But either way, there…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/16 03:38 AM
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No. Blame of assaulter for Crime A (Rape) = 100% Blame of mother for Crime B (endangerment) = 100% You can hold both accountable for their respective crime. Mother is not blameless, but she's also not guilty of the rape itself. She is guilty for putting her child in a dangerous situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 03:20 PM
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he second sexual crimes are involved people suddenly remove all responsibility from the victim - asking why she left her daughter there is suddenly "victim blaming" when it is a legitimate question. I mean, would anyone really say that about the mom? I think the universal consensus is that she is not a victim and is guilty of child endangerment and that she's particularly deplorable because she let her child get raped over drugs.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 03:18 PM
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The analogy itself is bad though. The fundamental characteristic of one doesn't resemble the other (fish's unwillingess to be caught, women's willingness to 'be caught'). Apples and oranges.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 03:05 PM
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Plenty of women will tell a man to "go for it," and "actually ask women out," or "make a move," as a lot of times these guys are a little introverted and don't really put themselves out there. You're equating bad generic advice to women's advice, when the two are not synonymous. You can find bad generic advice on TRP too. But most users would filter for the specifics/better quality advice. You can do that with advice coming from a woman too. And a lot of the advice that would come from a woman a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 03:03 PM
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This leaves two options: Women are too stupid to know what actually turns them on and are misidentifying it to others, or that they do know and they are deliberately lying. Pick your poison. Bull. Nice presentable employed men have no problem getting women assuming everything else about them is not ridiculously off-putting, and their standards are not unreasonable (assuming they're not chasing women way out of their league). Option 3: Some men who are presentable and have a nice job are also 1) …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 02:55 PM
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