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And that's fine but I'm talking about TRP as it exists here in this online space. Many men find TRP because they're desperate for women and TRP offers then an ideology and strategy which they think will take them to their goal. And as a guy who's seen and experimented with that strategy, I can confidently say it has holes.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 04:19 PM
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I was there reading and contributing to TRP back before is was quarantined. But then I matured and moved on, and with the benefit of hindsight I can appreciate what TRP actually was/is. You can't know the smell of your own house until you step outside. What TRP says about life and the world around you had been said better elsewhere. There are dozens of approaches to motivation and improvement, and they don't require matrix iconography. TRP foundations are based on their interpretation of evopsyc…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 03:46 PM
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You can have whatever mindset you want and learn to love yourself and life without the red pill. The red pill is simply not required here. But you can't have a red pill without some sort of seduction techniques or mating strategy, because then it stops being the red pill entirely. It is women focused but flips the script. It is still women focused.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 03:04 PM
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Lol then what the fuck is?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 02:30 PM
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I'd say yes. You only have to look at the concept of Dread Game. The idea is to insinuate that you may leave the relationship or that you have other girls in tow in order to get more compliance or sex out of your partner. It is 100% emotional abuse and manipulation. But at a deeper level, the idea that your girl will leave you for someone better unless you're dominant enough is a great way to foster an insecure relationship. RP guys don't get it. Even if you get the girl, you won't be happy. You…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 01:59 AM
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Last I heard, for adults only the spatial rotation task is asymmetric between the sexes with men coming out ahead. And at the variance in IQ was only two points, but then the standard deviation was much wider among men, which means you get more men at the top and more men at the bottom whereas women are more evenly distributed among the average.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 07:58 PM
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Yeah but 15 year olds are a terrible indicator of the general adult population.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 07:50 PM
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There isn't much difference in the limbic system between human males and females, so the hardware dictates emotions should be similar. But then men have more testosterone which lowers inhibitions and increases aggressive behaviour. Also, men are disproportionately affected by "alexithymia" which is an inability to understand one's emotional state. And then socially, some men just don't consider anger an emotion, or they excuse it somehow, like it was justified somehow. But then I have to ask mys…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 07:46 PM
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I asked myself the same question but as a man on the outside looking in. I suspect of the dating market has gotten worse but it is not unmanageable. Some factors are that our society as a whole is more disconnected and online. If you were a kid in the '80s or '90s it was pretty normal to hang out at a mall or other social circle. You were in close proximity to the opposite sex and had more opportunities to hang out or approach or develop friendships that might become relationships. Today, online…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 06:38 PM
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I've heard this all before many times. "If men don't get wives and kids then society will collapse." It sounds like wives and kids are society's ransom payment to get men to do something productive. It's also kind of a messed up way of looking at society and men in general. As if men are just these mindless beasts that need to be tamed with the prospect of wife and kids to keep our technological civilization running, and if men don't get exactly what they want then the whole thing comes crumblin…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 06:01 PM
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Yeah because human beings are persistence hunters, and the only thing you need to be a persistence hunter is a lot of stamina and time. Human beings walked our prey to death. A mammoth or a bison or a buffalo or whatever herbivore is going to need to eat nearly constantly to keep up their calories. They cannot function while constantly moving and without food. Ancient humans used that to their advantage. It is why we're exclusively bipeds, unlike like the other great apes. It's why we sweat more…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 12:59 AM
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Yeah whatever. Stay mad.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 03:39 PM
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Yeah dude I'm aware this isn't Putin's first invasion. Invading Chechnya was the first thing he did when he became president. This is his second invasion of Ukraine within the last 10 years and NATO isn't going to let it slide. But your emotional outbursts don't help your side. They only make you seem more like a shill for the Russians. People can have opinions and mine have their sources and reasons, and you're welcome to leave it at that, but Christ man don't get so bent out of shape about it.…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 03:26 PM
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Again, this is just...rubbish. From the WESTERN analysis I see Well where the fuck else are you going to get an analysis? You going to the ruskies themselves to ask how they're doing? And hate it break it to you, but you're in a western nation. When Putin talks about fighting the west, they're talking about you and your nation. I get it now. "I spent so much time thinking Russia was a joke" was just concern trolling. NGL you had me in the first half with the Putin is evil rhetoric but now I thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/23 09:36 PM
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If the war machine has already been deployed then it's already over and Russia is just a paper tiger. How many Russian generals have died on the front at this point? 11? 12? They're using conscripts and mercenaries because no one at home wants to volunteer. Their troops undersupplied, undertrained, and they're turning on each other. Russia has failed to achieve their stated tactical goals from the very start. Best the Russians can do at this point is hold into defensive positions in the cities a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/23 06:55 PM
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Lol when is that war machine supposed to arrive?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/23 03:45 PM
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Yeah but the Russians have their own guy to blame for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/23 03:18 PM
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I'd think the more rational idea would be that these refugees return back when the war is over so they can, I dunno, go back to their homes, jobs, family, friends, and everything else they left behind.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/23 03:15 PM
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Yeah, some men, but not all of them, only needed to show up and get wives. Sometimes, fathers married off their daughters to the son of a business or political associate to strengthen an alliance. The church matched men and women of their congregation together. Society put up barriers for women to strong-arm them into marriages they didn't want, and instituted bachelor taxes to get young men to settle down too. Social engineering dictated a lot of human reproduction. Pussy nepotism and pussy soc…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/23 02:40 PM
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You are also confusing dating and romantic success with the Just World Fallacy, which says good/noble/morally decent and hardworking people are rewarded, while immoral, evil, wicked, dastardly people are punished. Nope, just stating the facts that women do the selecting. Women will select who they want to select. To get selected, men will need to be better based on the criteria women set out. There's no karma in it. Sorry to say but dating/romance in general has a lot to do with luck/serendipity…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/23 02:31 PM
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Kids are not casually linked to marriage. They are casually linked to unprotected penetrative sex. Never said there was a causation. I said if you're looking at how domestic labor split influences divorce rates then you need to look at current marriages which have domestic labor and not prospective ones. I have yet to hear a good reason why one wouldn't. Raw divorce rates are the only way to get a metric on how these factors unfold in real time. Women are more likely to work at an office; every …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 10:30 PM
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This stat creates a sampling artifact making it unusable to estimate marital stability, due to marriage overall becoming less popular. In this case, the popularity of marriage in the next generation is irrelevant. The split in domestic labor only exists in current marriages or marriages that have existed long enough for kids to come into the picture. So the best stat that anyone has is the overall divorce rate. Yes; looking after children generally does not result in death from 100-kilovolt elec…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 10:10 PM
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Yeah, unfortunately it's "over" in the sense of "we've reached cruising altitude and it will be with us forever". It's not much of a consolation.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 09:22 PM
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If you want to read it that way then that's your prerogative. But the right interpretation would be to view the family as a system and do what you must to ensure it works.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 09:20 PM
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Raw divorce rates are irrelevant. If you're looking at married people's hours worked then who cares about newlyweds or people not married yet? You're studying already-established marriages with kids and domestic responsibilities. Which means the raw divorce rate is the only stat you need. And men can work when they get back home from work. The problem is this work isn't comparable. See my my reply to another comment: LINK Point is, even breadwinners still have to work harder or risk losing their…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 09:17 PM
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I'm glad to hear that there's a more even split between domestic duties between parents that work. But the worst stories I hear come from stay at home moms. There appears to be the expectation that if mom is in charge of babysitting and cleaning that dad doesn't have to. Those marriages break down because the work isn't symmetrical. Going to work full time means you have mandated breaks, 30-minute lunch, and worker protections. Most people don't literally work the full 8 hours at work. There's a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 09:12 PM
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Divorce rates peaked in the late 1970's and declined. The graphs you cited show an increase in childcare and domestic work done by men in the 80's. You've just shown me a positive correlation. Divorce rates went down when men took more of those duties. And men doubling their contribution is less impressive when you're starting at very low numbers to begin with. Plus these stats are from 2013. They're about 10 years old now.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 08:51 PM
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From what I've seen lots of men do A LOT MORE in marriages than women think they do And from what I've seen, it's the reverse. When I was a stay at home dad during covid, I'd search for advice when solving a problem. Once I went through a rabbit hole and discovered a sub here on Reddit, which I will not name, that is moms only. They don't advertise. They don't want visibility. It's a place for them to talk honestly. Many of these moms said the exact same thing: their husbands did nothing around …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 08:12 PM
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Well you have to consider that we just got out of a global pandemic. Many relationships that were hanging on by a thread were broken up. Many healthy relationships were crushed under stress and became dysfunctional. We're already in late stage capitalism, with depressed wages and rediculous housing prices, while also heading into a recession with inflation. That's hard on it's own for couples but if you have kids then it's even more difficult. The reality is that, in order for a marriage to succ…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 07:37 PM
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I heard these same sentiments 10 years ago and yet here we are. There won't be a breaking point due to the sexual marketplace. The breaking point will come when an event like a natural disaster or economic meltdown destabilizes our society, and creates a political crisis. That's how collapses happen, at least have that's how they've happened historically. Divorce rates are not sky high. They're about the same as they always were. And that's not a bad thing if divorce means breaking up a toxic re…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 03:22 PM
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Not BP, but it sounds like people have issues with standards that you apply to others that you yourself don't adhere to. It's less of an issue with responsibility. On a larger scale, it's TRPers valuing low N count while at the same time increasing overall N count. So they value N count, but not to the women they're sleeping with, and not with themselves. Which means they value low N count in hypothetical women that they don't interact with, that they suppose might one day make good relationship…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 12:27 AM
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My wife and I are only 2 weeks apart and we've been together for over 15 years. Yes I'm genuinely attracted to her. I prefer women closer to my age. At my age a 20-something year old looks too young. Plus there is very little common references we'd share.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 05:49 PM
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Some marriages aren't meant to exist. Some people are better off not being with each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 06:00 PM
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Divorce. Spiteful parents create an environment that normalizes abuse and conflict. Divorce isn't easy on a family but it offers a route to recovery and growth.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 05:58 PM
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Try to think of all the health and beauty products for women. Consider that many people believe that a woman's most desirable trait is beauty. There's cultural conditioning there too to be slim and beautiful. Then look at men. What man would wear concealer? How many men have even a basic skin care routine? What products do they use in their hair? How many skip bathing or don't wash their ass? How many men use t-shirts and shorts as their go-to attire? Maybe women are having trouble finding men a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 12:58 AM
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Women also have a laundry list of things that makes being a wife or mother a bad deal. It's not unique to being a man. As a father, fatherhood can take you a different level of manhood. It changes your relationship to masculinity. A fraternity brother said once you become a father, you truly become a man. Not sure if I agree but I see the point. There's something special to helping and guiding my son grow up. But to make that work you have to change your relationship to yourself and stop thinkin…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 12:40 AM
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The tiny little things are in a sense boundaries and when your partner doesn't respect them they are crossing a boundary. It is disrespect. It's not really about the glass or the hamburger meat. It's about understanding your partners needs and wants. No one ever really blows up because of one small thing. The reality is that the small thing is the breaking point but there were many things that led up to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 05:30 PM
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Take it from a husband and father currently in a nuclear family: The nuclear family sucks. The nuclear family only functions when someone is there to take care of the children, and because we're in late stage capitalism both parents have to work. Throughout the entirety of human history most families have been extended families. Grandma and Grandpa couldn't fuck off to Florida or Arizona to enjoy their retirement. They stayed with their children and helped raise the grandchildren. Uncles, aunts …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 05:22 PM
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On planet Earth males have to woo females. Sperm chase eggs. So yeah of course boyfriends and husbands and partners have to get things for the women in their lives. That's how it works.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 05:16 PM
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And if that's all I have then that's what my opinion will be based on. It's not like I have any evidence to the contrary.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 03:05 PM
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Well when incels talk about killing and raping women it's not hard to think they have very low esteem for the opposite sex
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 02:55 PM
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Really? They could have fooled me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/23 02:47 PM
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Former RP speaking. TRP's primary (and really only) benefit is to help get guys casual sex. It's textbook seduction techniques with a coat of evopsych and Matrix iconography. But applying that mindset will absolutely ruin long term relationships, which is what a lot of guys want. TRP has to have a mindset of male dominance and female submission, and you can slice "dominance" however you want like looks or income or status or whatever. But the moment TRP guy gets into a relationship the situation…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 07:50 PM
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Na man. You're the one that's wrong. Crime ridden despotic countries are not the normal baseline for human existence. Dealing with crime, violence, hyperinflation, a crumbling state with no social services, and poor education is not the default setting. These women are not "left to their own devices". This isn't an example of ecopsych, but environment dictating incentives. Plus, you are assuming that they have a choice. The data you linked didn't say that women are choosing these men. Your examp…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 07:33 PM
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Yes they should. Osteoporosis affects women more and weight training is a great way to prevent it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 04:50 PM
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People make mistakes. This should surprise no one.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 04:41 PM
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If you can't replicate it in a first world country then it's not applicable to a first world country. You can't have it both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 02:23 PM
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I'll remember your post when someone complains about "divorce rape" or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 09:45 PM
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A single study on Venezuelan teenagers in gangs? That supposed to be good data?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 09:43 PM
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You can easily hide having anger/violence issues. It's much harder to hide being a literal convict. Not really. If someone has anger and violence issues then they have problems regulating emotions and likely some executive dysfunctions too, which means they don't have the faculties to control it. If you ever get the chance to see an abuser in court they're either going to go full psychopath and disassociate from any emotions or be in complete agony keeping it all in. Hiding official records and …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 09:36 PM
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You typed 5 instead of 6. Pay attention next time. Found the shitpost!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 09:31 PM
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Generally speaking, women are going to protect their friend group from predators. If they're circling the wagons when you're around then maybe the problem is you, and not them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 09:26 PM
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Every society balances individual freedom with rules that restrict that freedom so that society can sustain itself. Some societies are more libertarian, some are more authoritarian. What you're describing is the authoritarian position, that people aren't aware of how their actions affect the big picture and so they should be controlled more. Unfortunately, people don't like living in authoritarian societies. People are happier when they have the freedom to make choices that are best for them. Au…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 05:28 PM
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You can't have true intimacy with a tool. If you are even slightly adversarial to women then your mindset can never allow yourself to drop your guard around them. You must always be "on". You will always have to have the upper hand to maintain control. Constantly using that energy will wear you down eventually. You can never relax and truly enjoy the experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 03:55 PM
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That's a pretty toxic mindset, my dude, but good luck with it, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 03:37 PM
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TRP is basically just passing around old myths at this point. They think that just because something CAN happen, means it is happening, and a lot. It's a total leap in logic and critical thinking. They don't appreciate that people are different and they want different things. AWALT thinking has completely corrupted their brains. For example, AF/BB. Yeah, some young women date around and have casual sex in their 20's and then mature and want different things, like stability, in their 30's. But no…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 03:32 PM
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They will value me in the way I want to be valued or they lose the chance. Fair, but keep in mind that if your standards for your own value are not realistic then reality can't fulfill them and you will end up not being valued in any capacity. That's the gambit. I would suggest that if you are valued and you are satisfied with it then you don't have a problem, but that you should also appreciate different ways of being valued.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 03:21 PM
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Because people in their 20's are immature and figuring themselves out. They don't know how to spot red flags or identify manipulation and so their first relationships, while being fun an exciting, are sometimes short-lived. The women (and men) in their 20's are often times better off not marrying their flings.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 02:50 PM
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Okay, if you aren't valued the way you want then you are free to exit the relationship. But the catch is, you don't get to dictate how you're valued by others. If you want to be valued a certain way then fine, you are welcome to have that preference, but you might be asking for something that others can't deliver, and that becomes a you problem, not a them problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 02:46 PM
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And women are very rarely ever passionate about the backup option nice guy. Says who and how do you know? I'm betting it's not your personal experience. I'm betting you hear it from the internet. The idea is basically an urban legend at this point without any information backing it up. In the real world, some women actually are more passionate with the men they choose to start building their lives together.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 02:40 PM
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Here's the best explanation I can come up with. People in their 20's want different things than people in their 30's. At 20, you don't understand yourself, you haven't identified all the red flags yet, you're open to manipulation, you're insecure, you don't have any equity or savings, you're not in a career, your finances are garbage, your wages are low, and the only thing you really want is to have fun. So it should be no surprise to anyone that some young women and some young men want to fuck …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 02:23 AM
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It pains me to have to go through so much salt in this post just to get to a comment like this with some actual common sense. Are people actually surprised that some people in their 20's want to have no strings attached fun while some people in their 30's have other long term goals in mind? Like, what the fuck else are you going to do in your 20's?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 02:00 AM
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You didn't compare lesbian divorce rate against hetero divorce rates though. You compared them to gay men. Both groups seem to have lower divorce rates to heteros. So I don't think you're case is all that clear. If a certain % of hypothetical husbands and fathers don't do their job well enough and it prompts their wife to get a divorce then it's his actions (or lack thereof) that are the main cause, even if she's the one who ultimately signs the paperwork first. I don't think you're appreciating…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 01:20 AM
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This just emphasizes two very important points: Take the time to really get you to know the person you marry so that you reduce the risk of this happening. You both should be on the same page with most everything before making the decision to marry. This kind of situation is not inevitable. You can make all the moves you want but if your partner is tired, or stressed, or dealing with bigger things, then sex with you is going to be the last thing on their mind. What can you do to ensure they get …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 07:49 PM
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Maybe they should adjust their expectations. She's not going to stick around for a bad deal if he's not doing his part to make it work.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 07:28 PM
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I'm a relatively new dad. My son is turning 2 and a half. Over the last 2 years, I've had to look up stuff when I needed advice. What started as basic parenting advice went down into a rabbit hole, where I found mom support subs that aren't advertised or talked about. Very hush hush. And when it comes to divorce, and when moms talk about divorce, it comes down to 3 main categories that I've seen. 1: Dad has a very rigid idea on how work should break down in a family. Dad thinks that by him worki…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 07:03 PM
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You're not the only one who's amused rn
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 03:34 AM
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"Agent of the matrix" Do you even hear how ridiculous you sound?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 03:28 AM
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Shut it. I wrote for the manosphere before you were old enough to fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 03:15 AM
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I think 80-90% of TRP is just the usual game advice that pickup artists gave decades ago: work out, dress well, get social skills, be confident, etc etc etc. What's different about it is the branding. It brands itself as something secretive and contrarian. That you have to "wake up" to the "lies" that "society" has "taught" you to embrace "The Red Pill" and escape the "Matrix". My personal problem with this is that they frame women and society at large in the worst possible light and frame thems…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 12:36 AM
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Men's anger shouldn't be directed at women or at their competition. It's just how the mating game goes. You're either selected or you're not. Take all that anger and put it toward something productive.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 10:46 PM
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I bought the narrative? Pot meet kettle. You believe in a narrative told to you by other people who are either stupid or are shills. You're right about one thing though, absolutely yes it's totally pointless to argue with me. They had to drop global warming for reasons "They" was a guy named Frank Luntz - right-wing pollster - who pushed the term climate change because it was less clear than global warming and made people confused, which he was paid to do by his own masters, which he later did a…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 03:34 PM
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Like a year ago and I'm no longer subbed to it. Wow I must have really triggered you to prompt you to go back into my post history that far. You should have seen that I post in r/space and other science-related subs too. What's funny is any idiot with a room temperature IQ can be a climate change or science denier. It doesn't take any particular skill or knowledge to do that. All you have to do is read rightwing blogs or listen to rightwing commenters who are ignorant about shit and believe them…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 02:59 PM
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Wait.... you just blamed a hurricane on "climate change" as a direct cause. Yes. The biggest recorded hurricane was in 1935. So? Let me guess if a winter is warmer than normal its climate change but if its colder its also climate change and therefore we need to do something? A winter where? Weather isn't climate.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 11:09 PM
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Imo, if society collapses it will be from the actions or inaction of the people at the top and not by the single guys at the bottom.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 11:02 PM
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My dude, hurricane Ian went from a category 1 to a category 3 overnight and had enough power to get from Louisiana to NYC, spawning tornadoes along the way and hit areas that had never seen a hurricane before. You don't have to believe in climate change but it sure as fuck is happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 10:58 PM
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Psychology has been looking at what humans find attractive for decades, but their studies have to be well designed, passed by an ethics board, and peer reviewed. Their findings are pretty common sense, like people prefer symmetrical faces, or that scent matters more when a woman is ovulating, or that leadership qualities are attractive, or that men are more likely to want casual sex than women. One study I found for this very convo was the Ideal Partner Survey. It splits the survey data between …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 10:28 PM
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My point about data is that TRP isn't doing any actual analysis. They're taking studies and data made by someone else and putting their own spin on it. "See, it confirms TRP!". That's not actual data analysis. They're not doing it to prove themselves wrong. It's just confirmation bias. Even if it doesn’t apply to primates, it does to humans My dude, humans ARE primates.. The term Alpha was first used in 1947 when a guy named Rudolph Schenkel wrote a paper titled Expressions Studies on Wolves. He…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 05:11 PM
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My dude I wrote for the manosphere and followed the Red Pill before you were old enough to fuck. I know where the information came from. I was there when it was written. What "data" TRP actually has is their interpretation of things like Tinder usage data, or some dating app demographic, not representative of all people. The "psychology" that TRP developed comes from interactions in high school or college, where 20-something guys try flirting with 20-something girls, then they apply it to all pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 03:45 PM
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See this is exactly what happens when I say that TRP is level 1 kid shit. At best, it gives you the pickup techniques needed to seduce certain kinds of women, but leaves you totally lacking in the ability to maintain relationships with other people. Hate to break it to you, but the whole "dominant" thing doesn't work in relationships, as you've already seen. TRP taught you to remain dominant, remain at the top, be higher status, which always turns relationships into a game of power plays, and be…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 03:12 PM
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But TRP doesn't just give advice on sex and game, does it? It's pseudo-psychology. Young men in their 20's go out with young women in their 20's, build up a library of information from their experiences, but then apply it to all women at all ages in all cultures everywhere. "AWALT", as they say. It's lifestyle. Guys want to be alphas, a thing that doesn't actually exist in our species, but they still build their whole personality around a fantasy. It's political. What starts as a stance against …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 02:59 PM
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The men here saying they want casual sex don't actually get casual sex. The men getting casual sex aren't on reddit talking about how much casual sex they get. All these guys here are talking about their wants, not what they actually have. It's all just hypothetical to them. They don't want a relationship in favor of casual sex, casual sex that they're not getting. They're just chasing the dream.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 04:26 PM
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Let's put aside the questions as to why you want this or whether it's a good idea. I'll do you a favor and give you a straight answer. Learn to dance. Pick a dance style, find a studio, learn the moves, practice a shit ton, go up on stage, in costume, and give it your all. This gets you in tune with your body, conditions your cardio, develops your sense of rhythm, is mentally stimulating, separates you from the other men, gets you lots of attention, surrounds you with women, and gives you someth…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 12:28 AM
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If person A wants to talk about sex or "the fun stuff" and person B doesn't then it sounds like a problem is with person A. You can't force people to talk about things they don't want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 12:13 AM
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I'm kinda having trouble seeing the problem. Maybe I just need more context.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 12:09 AM
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I think if a guy is desperate and doesn't know where to start, but ultimately does want a relationship, they can wander into TRP first for pickup advice. With Tiktok, finding RP ideas are just a matter of the algorithm and luck, and without context young guys can think it's gospel. Whole personalities can be built around being alpha. It matters less to me what these guys ultimately do with their lives and it matters way more than TRP cross-pollinates with reactionary political philosophy. Succes…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 12:07 AM
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There's a spectrum for sure and there are helpful points on the tamer side, but then there is a darker side that sucks guys into a tradcon/reactionary philosophy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 12:00 AM
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Being an emotional sponge has nothing to do with you being sexual or not. You can be an emotional sponge to your best friend, or your sibling, or your family. It's a one-way relationship, inherently parasitic, and you should opt out of it. There's your non-RP solution. Your problem is you want the other person to see you as a sexual person, but that's not something you can directly control. Lots of guys choose to be the emotional sponge so they can artificially create closeness, but it isn't gen…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 11:06 PM
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Disclaimer: I'm not BP. I am ex-RP. There's nothing wrong with wanting to be seen as sexually desirable. Most everyone does. But if you zoom out, get some life experience, and look at the Red Pill, it's a view of status and masculinity as seen through the eyes of teenagers and young men. It's immature and lacks wisdom. RP measures men by sexual worth so they can get women, but men can be measured countless ways. TRP doesn't talk about what makes a good man, an honorable man, a leader, a father o…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 10:53 PM
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Sympathy weight definitely is a thing. A guy's hormones can change as well. See Couvade Syndrome.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 11:17 PM
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Based on what I've seen I think it's a more issue of class. I somehow managed to live in an affluent area so when I take my son to the playground I notice that the other families are physically fit and take care of themselves. And then I've seen single people hit the wall at like 25 because they don't get exercise and eat like shit. I watched my wife bounce back from pregnancy and go back to her previous size with the usual exercise that she's always done. So based on what I've seen "the wall" i…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 11:12 PM
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Just my opinion but I think maybe it's guilt or they're telling on themselves? They have an attraction to teenage girls but they know it's not socially acceptable to pursue them so they try to normalize their fantasies by spreading pseudoscientific evopsych across the internet. Maybe that's just a neckbeard types, I dunno. Something something fertility something something.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 11:07 PM
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Mid 30's. 'Merica Job is too specialized for me to reveal anonymously. Left Libertarian (I guess?) and not very religious but studying. I'm going to combine the last two into one: life is great, but challenging. I have a good house, good job, great wife, a wonderful 2 year old son, and another baby due next year. For the first time in my life I feel like I really made it and that I'm truly comfortable with who I am. I used to be RP, even had a blog, but I was young and dumb. TRP thinks it teache…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 07:42 PM
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That's TRP for you. It's inconceivable to them that someone might get more in love with their partner as time goes on. Really shows their broken philosophy.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 07:14 PM
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Con artists don't win in the end. Andrew Taint the Greta Beta did himself in by being stupid. RP guys will either drop the ideology or self-sabotage. TRP doesn't give guys the tools to maintain a relationship long enough to reproduce, and if they somehow manage to they'll just be terrible dads. It's nothing but suffering all the way down for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 07:11 PM
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Even in nature, the female selects, so they can afford to be full of themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 07:05 PM
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Most women are slightly average or above. Fucking bell curves, how do they work?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 06:59 PM
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You're late for the train man if you're just starting to despise him now. The saying goes there's a sucker born every minute and every year a new slew of insecure developing young men with no sense of self and no ideas of masculinity wander onto the internet in search of a role model, and inevitably they're going to find people like Tate, and people like Tate are going to manufacturer a cult of personality to make money off these naive young men. It's a cycle that has been going on for decades a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 03:00 PM
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My dream girl is pregnant with our second and presently waiting for me to finish bathing our two year old son so she can read him bedtime stories. She has aged and has a baby bump, so she's no longer the girl I married; she's better, in my opinion. She matured along with me and we're quite a pair. I couldn't see myself with anyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 01:13 AM
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You'll have a lot more success trying to connect with someone based on shared values and interests instead of trying to ape wherever version of alpha some dude on the Internet tells you to do. You should focus on finding the right person instead of saying the right things. You should go on lots of dates and expect not to match up with 90% of them. If you don't like those odds then try to find dates at events that correspond to your hobbies. If you don't have a hobby, get off the fucking Internet…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 07:29 PM
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I'll assume you mean desirable instead of valuable. The value of a person goes beyond looks or age, but I get what you're saying. But speaking as a 35 year old man, 18-25 is not the most desirable for me. It'd be weird for me to pursue someone 10 years younger. I think that's the crux of the issue for me. There's a body of knowledge that gets passed around the internet based on the experiences of people between 18 and 25. And it starts with something like "the girls I'm around all like X", which…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 01:52 AM
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"The bar" doesn't refer to looks. It's the expectations people collectively have about men. It's basically another way of saying social norms, in the meme-ified Internet era. There nothing new about it. For example, the bar is that you should be well-groomed. That means hair styled, facial hair well-maintained, teeth brushed, regular bathing. But some men out there don't even bother wiping their ass. Some men don't use soap in the shower. It has become a meme because more men are failing to meet…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 07:21 PM
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This is not the trend that I have seen. Short story time: I'm a relatively new dad and part of that means going to the internet for advice. Well, that brought me down some rabbit hole that brought me to a particular parenting sub that I will not mention by name. I've read hundreds of stories at this point from mothers who are having a really rough time of it and the one consistent factor is: divorcing your husband is far better than living in an abusive or toxic relationship. These women report …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 05:56 PM
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My dude you're embodying TRP's blind spot. How old are these women? You call them girls so consciously or not you're revealing that they're young probably, what 18 to 25? Also where did you meet these women? Was it college? Was it online dating? Was it at a bar or a club? Was it with your friends who are all about the same age? I bring this up because the title of your post is "the unspoken rule about sex with women" as if it's all women at all ages and all demographics all the time. This is the…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 05:43 PM
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I'm with you there. I think it'd be helpful if there were more media aimed at teaching healthy sex and human anatomy because right now it seems to be the wild west out there. Parents can give direction but then porn is already a secretive thing at that age, so bad habits can easily go unnoticed.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 11:54 PM
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I wouldn't put this in the same category as marital rape though. Yeah, boys and men can be taught that porn is a fantasy, but they're not, at least a significant and noticable portion are not. There is a fraction of kids that will find porn before they reach sex Ed, assuming that sex Ed even touches the subject. They're first exposure will be that. If a boy is watching porn from 10 to 20 then he's going to think that sex works a certain way, when it doesn't. You can tell him it's fantasy, but a …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 11:13 PM
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The mental framework you're operating under is, I don't know, not complete? Women having any supposed power in the dating market is irrelevant. Whatever guy she can get after ending a relationship isn't a factor. The problem is these women are in committed relationships with their partner when their partner does something to break a boundary and it's usually because he saw something in porn and thought it was okay, at least that's their stated experience. It's a story I've seen many times. Also,…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 03:45 PM
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That statistic means nothing to me. Divorce can happen for many different reasons. And that just begs the question even more: if half of marriages end in divorce then what's with the successful half? Maybe instead of getting yourself down about marriage you can investigate what the secret sauce is to success.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 03:17 PM
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Your catch 22 is kind of ridiculous don't you think? If an otherwise physically healthy young man cannot get an erection under appropriate conditions then regardless of his sex status it's not normal physical function. There is something wrong with his body. As for women's experience with all this I'll have to defer to them. From what I see and hear online it has not been good. The sexualizing of step siblings and teens for example is solely due to porn. Consent issues within a relationship and …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 03:15 PM
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You speaking from experience or is this all just fantasy?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 03:10 PM
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First things first don't marry a person who hates you. Second the fact that you think marriage has to end up that way is more telling of your assumptions. It might blow your mind but there are people out there who can have happy marriages.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 03:04 PM
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The studies that have been done on porn don't agree with you and they're not very encouraging. Excessive use of porn has been shown to decrease motivation and executive functioning like planning out long-term tasks and goals. Young men in their '20s and early '30s are having increased rates of erectile dysfunction which should not physically happen to young and healthy men. Porn rewires your brain because an orgasm is probably the best dopamine hit you can possibly get and if you pair it with a …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 03:01 PM
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It concerns me too. These guys are in their early stages of life and they think they can comprehend the entire human condition of manhood from cradle to grave after reading a few blog posts and watching YouTube videos from pickup artists. It wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't spreading so far.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 02:22 PM
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Lol sometimes this sub had some of the worst takes I've seen. You're like some 20-something dude who's had no experience with raising a family so who are you to tell anyone about what man's baseline nature is? Humans have to reproduce somehow dude, and if you do then you'll have to help out. Some married men are sexually frustrated because they leave everything to Mom which makes her tired and resentful. No one wants to fuck a lazy man child. And what is man's baseline nature if it isn't to proc…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 01:55 PM
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That's the thing I'm not really sure. I think that's an interesting take.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 03:02 AM
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That's fair. And I think what I'm asking is beyond the scope of your post anyways. It's something I'll have to look up on my own.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 01:25 AM
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I can see that for sure, but then applying that principle to places like some societies in Viking Scandinavia, where the rulers were men but the laws were equitable, is it still a patriarchy? Granted maybe this isn't the best place to ask this question.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 01:06 AM
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Having next to no context about this interaction it seems like he's got your goat man.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 01:02 AM
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Okay but why? You're the one who's supposedly has the expertise.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 12:54 AM
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The purpose is context and nuance. If you gloss over all history and all civilizations as patriarchal then you miss the details. Wu Zetian ruled as empress over China from 665 to 705. Is that society Matriarchal now? If not, why? In Sparta, women could own slaves and ruled the estates while the men were away. Is that society Matriarchal now? If not, why? In Scandinavia, during the Viking era, women could vote and rule as chieftains, own land and divorce their husbands. Is that society Matriarcha…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 12:28 AM
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OP, are you an anthropologist? If virtually all historical civilizations are patriarchal then can you name all of them? Have you compared to non-patriarchal societies? What's the proportion?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 11:53 PM
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It's the opposite in my experience. My fraternity bother is Mormon and only dates in the church. His options are limited and the quality of his previous partners were atrocious. The problem with really religious folks is that they don't believe in seeing therapists so if you have a psychiatric problem then the response is more prayer. Basically, a huge portion of the community has untreated mental illness. But if you want to give it a go then by all means, have at it, but best if luck to you. Yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 11:54 PM
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If you have 100 men and 10 women, you can get up to 10 babies. If you have 100 women and 10 men, you can get up to 100 babies. So a population crash of men isn't, hypothetically, the end of the world. For dating, I think it would have to take a lot to tip the scales. I don't think it would be drastic because men tend to date younger than them, so it would take time for anyone to notice.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 10:34 PM
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So my comment is definitely going to have a different tone to the others. You're going to feel into it when she doesn't and she's going to be into it when you aren't. Sometimes you get out of synch. That's just life. Pressuring her into it is the most beta simp thing ever. Demanding it from her is abuse. You want her to be receptive to it and better yet initiate it sometimes. What does that take? If you don't know yet then that's cool but you should find out since you married her. I can't tell y…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 10:24 PM
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Never. Our family has evolved to depend on each other for strength and there is no way I could leave her because of an accident or medical issue. We can always adapt to new circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 01:04 AM
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Lol, it even goes deeper. The guys who buy into the seduction classes don't realize they're part of a con. The guru who teachs you how to manipulate women also manipulates you out of your money.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 12:59 AM
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You got it. It's all about getting older, getting some experience, learning about yourself and others. These "pills" are just the natural phases of life, turned into a weird Internet trope.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 01:08 AM
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At some point in a guy's life between the ages of like 15 and 25, they are going to run into the red pill because they want to get women and don't know how, and they'll find it with a Google search. The red pill is basically built by men for men in their teens and twenties to teach how to get women in their teens and twenties, with a few tradcon exceptions for older guys thrown in. I think it will always be around in some form or another. The problem is that when you're a teenager or in your 20s…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 11:37 PM
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This same claim was made 10 years ago when I was younger, dumber, and still read RP stuff. Well, we're still here and if there's any social decline then it's wholely financial. The dating market is as it ever was and we're still basically here. And like, humans have been mating for 200,000 years. Our primate ancestors were mating for millions before the we were human. You don't need an authority to dictate how people fuck. People are just going to screw the way they want. Attempts to control it …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 11:08 PM
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Human beings are so complex that is a fool's errand to try and split then into only two different groups, groups which are totally generated by the Internet. Real people aren't like either of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 10:41 PM
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This is why I can never have a productive conversation with dudes like you because now we're talking about passenger liability in auto accidents and honestly who cares? So let's get back on track. The point is, sex is a mutual activity between 2 (or more) people. The rules are different. You can't treat this like an auto accident. Appreciate the nuance. Sex is a team effort. It's a back and forth. If the other person is physically or mentally incapacitated then the entire experience becomes one-…
/r/MensRights26/08/22 07:16 PM
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Passengers don't drive the car.
/r/MensRights26/08/22 06:46 PM
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So we have 2 drunk people and both made drunk decision. But in 1 situation it’s everyone else’s fault and in the other it’s completely your fault. Here's how it makes sense: sex requires 2 people, drunk driving requires 1. If you have an accident while drunk, it's your fault because you're the only autonomous individual in the equation. But sex requires at least 2 people, so we have 2 autonomous individuals making choices. If one of those individuals is not capable of making choices, or the righ…
/r/MensRights26/08/22 04:01 PM
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